2019 Recruiting Thread

[Homedawg]

That is my major concern. We have hardly any offensive playmakers. That did not change.

Just wait until JOMO gets his players......

[Doggie_Style]

Just wait until JOMO gets his players......

LOL......hoping that narrative died with this signing class

[msstate7]

We finish last in the west in rankings and 4-stars or better

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Ready for the 2020 thread!!!!! Let's get the false hope started today!!!

[msu15]

We ended up getting the grad transfer punter from USA, so now at 84 scholarships. Hopefully he's better than Tucker Day.

[ShotgunDawg]

We ended up getting the grad transfer punter from USA, so now at 84 scholarships. Hopefully he's better than Tucker Day.

We are at 83 I believe.

[hacker]

We ended up getting the grad transfer punter from USA, so now at 84 scholarships. Hopefully he's better than Tucker Day.

I think it's 83 with the punter.

[msu15]

We are at 83 I believe.


I think it's 83 with the punter.

10-4, thought I had seen that had we signed 21 today it would've put us at 83. My bad

[ScoobaDawg]

Ready for the 2020 thread!!!!! Let's get the false hope started today!!!

I'll start it up tomorrow...

[Lord McBuckethead]

I'll start it up tomorrow...

I say why wait. I would like to see what we could do if we were more positive as a fan base for one entire recruiting cycle. What if all of our fans started to follow and retweet our prospects, show up to their games wearing all maroon, ringing cowbells every time they make a play, etc. Showing the prospects we are rooting for them. What would happen if everyone pulled the rope in the same direction and was cautious about talking about whether a player is good enough, has good enough grades, is an asshole, whatever.

Message boards are way to public to speak about our potential athletes or actual athletes the way we do most times.

[HancockCountyDog]

I don't want rehash what has already been said, but the biggest issue to me is that we didn't sign enough. Last year we enrolled 20 kids. 2 of them were juco. 18 HS kids.

This year we have signed 22 one of which is a transfer. Four of them are juco. One of the HS kids most likely won't make it grade wise. That makes 16 HS kids.

34 High school kids in two years.

In two years we have signed/enrolled 42 total. That is probation. Regardless of how you look at it, we have self imposed probation on ourselves. We could have counted back several in this year's class, but for some reason we didn't. By my count, we have 60 on scholarship headed into next year right now, before anyone else transfers out. 20 of those are seniors. By only adding potentially 21 players - before anyone else transfers out means we could be at below 81 scholarship players next year. If we lose a few seniors who want to play as oppose to sit on the bench, same with juniors we could be in the high 70s.

I'm not going to get bogged down on players he missed on and recruiting battles that he whiffed, I'm talking big picture. If we go into next season with less than 80 scholarship players (im not counting walk ons given a scholly) that is an institutional failure that he has to be held accountable for if we have a lackluster season next year.

Also, this puts tremendous pressure on next year's class considering we have 20 seniors as of now on the team.

[KOdawg1]

I say why wait. I would like to see what we could do if we were more positive as a fan base for one entire recruiting cycle. What if all of our fans started to follow and retweet our prospects, show up to their games wearing all maroon, ringing cowbells every time they make a play, etc. Showing the prospects we are rooting for them. What would happen if everyone pulled the rope in the same direction and was cautious about talking about whether a player is good enough, has good enough grades, is an asshole, whatever.

Message boards are way to public to speak about our potential athletes or actual athletes the way we do most times.

I somewhat agree. I think with the page turning with the 2020 cycle officially starting, we need to start being careful what we post and say about recruits. It doesn't make the difference in most cases, but it can matter. I'm all for being more positive, mostly because it doesn't matter, we're going to finish 8-12ish in the SEC rankings anyway. Might as well not make myself miserable at the decisions of 18 year old kids.

[KOdawg1]

Also, any "commit" we have right now, isn't really a commit. It's way too early in the process for all that. I think a problem we had with this year's class was we peaked too early. Back in the summer, we had all these commits and momentum, and it just faded away and never really recovered. Until the pens start meeting paper in December, no kid is ours.

[NCDawg]

Also, any "commit" we have right now, isn't really a commit. It's way too early in the process for all that. I think a problem we had with this year's class was we peaked too early. Back in the summer, we had all these commits and momentum, and it just faded away and never really recovered. Until the pens start meeting paper in December, no kid is ours.

Case in point-Moore, who was "committed" for a year and a half, and shortly before signing day, "decommits" and signs with Auburn. One thing I've learned from this year, nobody on a message board is really sure what a kid is going to do on signing day.

[ScoobaDawg]

I say why wait. I would like to see what we could do if we were more positive as a fan base for one entire recruiting cycle. What if all of our fans started to follow and retweet our prospects, show up to their games wearing all maroon, ringing cowbells every time they make a play, etc. Showing the prospects we are rooting for them. What would happen if everyone pulled the rope in the same direction and was cautious about talking about whether a player is good enough, has good enough grades, is an asshole, whatever.

Message boards are way to public to speak about our potential athletes or actual athletes the way we do most times.

It can wait 12 hours... let everyone get their b!tching out about today now.. I'm putting together links and gathering info.. and will try to make the start of the thread something good.
and sure on all that.. just don't tweet at recruits..

[Ari Gold]

The 2 big misses we had were 2 guys that have been committed for months to the schools they signed with
Mingo and Young .. so can we really say they were misses?

It’s very possible The names Moore and Hall may Not be heard again for a while (in a positive matter anyway )

Would have been great to land Ealy .. esp for perception.. If he plays a year of football then good for OM I think it’s 50/50 at best

Plumlee won’t play QB anytime soon if ever .. I think he is a outstanding athlete and could play much faster somewhere besides QB. Maybe he agrees to that . And he still may choose MLB .

And like I said don’t be shocked if Mingo gets on the field early early at OM but it’s on the other side of the ball ... See DD Bowie. My guess is he didn’t sign up for that.

It’s a solid class. OL and DL got some studs that could be impact guys sooner than later.
Duncan and Emerson helps the backed tremendously.
Jarrian might be a future star.
We are going to need a RB to step up . Hopefully that’s Walker . Need to redshirt spoon .
Many people have told me inside and outside of our program the steal recruit in the state is Purvis . Hopefully we find his position early and he takes to it like a stud.

Let’s wait and see what if any grad transfers or transfers we get.. that protocol is growing daily.

[Ari Gold]

Case in point-Moore, who was "committed" for a year and a half, and shortly before signing day, "decommits" and signs with Auburn. One thing I've learned from this year, nobody on a message board is really sure what a kid is going to do on signing day.

There’s usually one of those every year for every school.. it’s just magnified here because of where we are in the rankings.

[ShotgunDawg]

There’s usually one of those every year for every school.. it’s just magnified here because of where we are in the rankings.

It's also magnified because we don't have 4 star replacements for said player.

MSU simply can't afford to local guys to leave the state like other programs in the SEC can. We can't replace them

[msbulldog]

It can wait 12 hours... let everyone get their b!tching out about today now.. I'm putting together links and gathering info.. and will try to make the start of the thread something good.
and sure on all that.. just don't tweet at recruits..

Looking forward to it Scooba.

[msbulldog]

It's also magnified because we don't have 4 star replacements for said player.

MSU simply can't afford to local guys to leave the state like other programs in the SEC can. We can't replace them

I guess we just aren't going to out spend Auburn like with Cam Newton.

[msstate7]

When looking at recruiting classes, one thing I like to look at is players rated 96 or higher (truly elite players). Here's how the west did with this metric...

Bama 11
aTm 6
LSU and auburn 3
State 2
Om 1*
Ark 0

We actually held our own here. Had we gotten Moore, we'd be tied with LSU and auburn. Bama just keeps widening the gap between themselves and the west. aTm getting as many as LSU and auburn combined is not good news for us.

[Coursesuper]

I don't want rehash what has already been said, but the biggest issue to me is that we didn't sign enough. Last year we enrolled 20 kids. 2 of them were juco. 18 HS kids.

This year we have signed 22 one of which is a transfer. Four of them are juco. One of the HS kids most likely won't make it grade wise. That makes 16 HS kids.

34 High school kids in two years.

In two years we have signed/enrolled 42 total. That is probation. Regardless of how you look at it, we have self imposed probation on ourselves. We could have counted back several in this year's class, but for some reason we didn't. By my count, we have 60 on scholarship headed into next year right now, before anyone else transfers out. 20 of those are seniors. By only adding potentially 21 players - before anyone else transfers out means we could be at below 81 scholarship players next year. If we lose a few seniors who want to play as oppose to sit on the bench, same with juniors we could be in the high 70s.

I'm not going to get bogged down on players he missed on and recruiting battles that he whiffed, I'm talking big picture. If we go into next season with less than 80 scholarship players (im not counting walk ons given a scholly) that is an institutional failure that he has to be held accountable for if we have a lackluster season next year.

Also, this puts tremendous pressure on next year's class considering we have 20 seniors as of now on the team.

And you get it! This is the problem that no one else sees.

[ShotgunDawg]

And you get it! This is the problem that no one else sees.

Not if you get some grad transfers, which are way more valuable than true freshmen anyway.

I think the self imposed probation angle is an extremely stupid narrative.

[bulldawg28]

Case in point-Moore, who was "committed" for a year and a half, and shortly before signing day, "decommits" and signs with Auburn. One thing I've learned from this year, nobody on a message board is really sure what a kid is going to do on signing day.

Always remember this.

[hacker]

When looking at recruiting classes, one thing I like to look at is players rated 96 or higher (truly elite players). Here's how the west did with this metric...

Bama 11
aTm 6
LSU and auburn 3
State 2
Om 1*
Ark 0

We actually held our own here. Had we gotten Moore, we'd be tied with LSU and auburn. Bama just keeps widening the gap between themselves and the west. aTm getting as many as LSU and auburn combined is not good news for us.

Ahead of Auburn since they'd drop to 2

[Todd4State]

I don't want rehash what has already been said, but the biggest issue to me is that we didn't sign enough. Last year we enrolled 20 kids. 2 of them were juco. 18 HS kids.

This year we have signed 22 one of which is a transfer. Four of them are juco. One of the HS kids most likely won't make it grade wise. That makes 16 HS kids.

34 High school kids in two years.

In two years we have signed/enrolled 42 total. That is probation. Regardless of how you look at it, we have self imposed probation on ourselves. We could have counted back several in this year's class, but for some reason we didn't. By my count, we have 60 on scholarship headed into next year right now, before anyone else transfers out. 20 of those are seniors. By only adding potentially 21 players - before anyone else transfers out means we could be at below 81 scholarship players next year. If we lose a few seniors who want to play as oppose to sit on the bench, same with juniors we could be in the high 70s.

I'm not going to get bogged down on players he missed on and recruiting battles that he whiffed, I'm talking big picture. If we go into next season with less than 80 scholarship players (im not counting walk ons given a scholly) that is an institutional failure that he has to be held accountable for if we have a lackluster season next year.

Also, this puts tremendous pressure on next year's class considering we have 20 seniors as of now on the team.

I agree with this criticism. We need to oversign next year.

[bulldawg28]

Not if you get some grad transfers, which are way more valuable than true freshmen anyway.

I think the self imposed probation angle is an extremely stupid narrative.

Grad transfers can bridge the gap tremendously.

[msstate7]

Recruiting evaluation of the 4 2nd year coaches. First number is this year's finish and 2nd number is the school's 3 year recruiting avg (2015-2017) prior to change...

Moorhead 24th and 23.33
Morris 23rd and 24.00
Mullen 9th and 14.67
Jimbo 4th and 14.00
Pruitt 12th and 11.67

Big improvement for Mullen and jimbo

[bulldawg28]

When looking at recruiting classes, one thing I like to look at is players rated 96 or higher (truly elite players). Here's how the west did with this metric...

Bama 11
aTm 6
LSU and auburn 3
State 2
Om 1*
Ark 0

We actually held our own here. Had we gotten Moore, we'd be tied with LSU and auburn. Bama just keeps widening the gap between themselves and the west. aTm getting as many as LSU and auburn combined is not good news for us.

Until A&M gets real defensive talent i'm not worried. However, I like our class.

[vv83]

It can wait 12 hours... let everyone get their b!tching out about today now.. I'm putting together links and gathering info.. and will try to make the start of the thread something good.
and sure on all that.. just don't tweet at recruits..

You gonna do it now?

[HancockCountyDog]

Not if you get some grad transfers, which are way more valuable than true freshmen anyway.

I think the self imposed probation angle is an extremely stupid narrative.

I think counting on grad transfers to plug holes is extremely risky and we haven't shown the ability to land high end grad transfers at any time. What we have shown an ability to do is develop players that are athletic and fit our system.

Other than calling the probation angle stupid, based solely on the numbers what do you disagree with.

We are going to be short on scholarship players next year. We did that to ourselves. I'm not sure how else to describe it.

[Coursesuper]

Not if you get some grad transfers, which are way more valuable than true freshmen anyway.

I think the self imposed probation angle is an extremely stupid narrative.

We are getting really light numbers wise. A grad transfer is a one year deal, how is that better than a guy that's in the program and contributing for three or four years? I'm not on the probation angle but, the numbers games is not exactly ideal. The next class is going critical to get our numbers evened out.

[BuckyIsAB****]

The 2 big misses we had were 2 guys that have been committed for months to the schools they signed with
Mingo and Young .. so can we really say they were misses?

It?s very possible The names Moore and Hall may Not be heard again for a while (in a positive matter anyway )

Would have been great to land Ealy .. esp for perception.. If he plays a year of football then good for OM I think it?s 50/50 at best

Plumlee won?t play QB anytime soon if ever .. I think he is a outstanding athlete and could play much faster somewhere besides QB. Maybe he agrees to that . And he still may choose MLB .

And like I said don?t be shocked if Mingo gets on the field early early at OM but it?s on the other side of the ball ... See DD Bowie. My guess is he didn?t sign up for that.

It?s a solid class. OL and DL got some studs that could be impact guys sooner than later.
Duncan and Emerson helps the backed tremendously.
Jarrian might be a future star.
We are going to need a RB to step up . Hopefully that?s Walker . Need to redshirt spoon .
Many people have told me inside and outside of our program the steal recruit in the state is Purvis . Hopefully we find his position early and he takes to it like a stud.

Let?s wait and see what if any grad transfers or transfers we get.. that protocol is growing daily.

Mingo will leave if they ask him to play DB. We really hurt ourselves when we offered him as a safety early in the game. We were playing catch up from the jump

[ShotgunDawg]

We are getting really light numbers wise. A grad transfer is a one year deal, how is that better than a guy that's in the program and contributing for three or four years? I'm not on the probation angle but, the numbers games is not exactly ideal. The next class is going critical to get our numbers evened out.

It's certainly not a replacement for a good player, but the average grad Transfer has likely already proved himself at the D1 level and you can just replace your grad Transfer this year with another next year

I believe any grad Transfer we pursue would give us more value than one of the last 2-3 guys in our signing class

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Until A&M gets real defensive talent I'm not worried. However, I like our class.

A&M signed a 5* DT, 3 .95+ DBs, and 3 more low 4* defenders.

We signed 1 .95+ DT, and 3 low 4* defenders.

A&M blew us out of the water on defensive recruiting. Not sure why you wouldn't worry about them in the future unless you don't think Jimbo can develop

[HoopsDawg]

We will get Moore, Mingo and maybe Young. Remember this post.

Killed it.

[msstate7]

Killed it.

He meant "we" as in the sec west.

[msstate7]

A&M signed a 5* DT, 3 .95+ DBs, and 3 more low 4* defenders.

We signed 1 .95+ DT, and 3 low 4* defenders.

A&M blew us out of the water on defensive recruiting. Not sure why you wouldn't worry about them in the future unless you don't think Jimbo can develop

Don't bother... this board refuses to see what jimbo is doing at aTm. Sumlin underachieved there so they think jimbo will too. Maybe he ends up underachieving, but jimbo was strong this year (9 wins, #4 recruiting class)

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Damn Steve kind of threw a former player on blast for no inroads with Young on the Boneyard.

[maroonmania]

No Mingo & no Moore.

Boy, your recruiting prediction accuracy for MSU sure has taken a hit since your move to Gainesville.***

[Goldendawg]

Case in point-Moore, who was "committed" for a year and a half, and shortly before signing day, "decommits" and signs with Auburn. One thing I've learned from this year, nobody on a message board is really sure what a kid is going to do on signing day.

I doubt he $uddenly liked AU better because of anything he read or didn't read on this or any message board.

[maroonmania]

Grad transfers can bridge the gap tremendously.

I hope our grad transfers go beyond putting a SECOND punter on scholarship. Seriously, how many SEC programs are spending TWO scholarships on punters?

[Turfdawg67]

Some sight called Pick Six Preview tweeted this out...

Top 2019 Classes (by average)

1 Alabama
2 UGA
3 Ohio State
4 Texas
5 OU
6 Auburn
7 Florida
8 PSU
9 A&M
10 Michigan
11 LSU
12 Oregon
13 ND
14 Tennessee
15 Washington
16 Clemson
17 South Carolina
18 FSU
19 Miss St
20 Arkansas
21 Nebraska
22 USC
23 Miami
24 Stanford
25 Ole Miss

[dawgday166]

I doubt he $uddenly liked AU better because of anything he read or didn't read on this or any message board.

I think you right and ... I also think we didn't "miss" anything on Moore. We'll see but I'm betting he is never an upper-tier SEC Dlineman.

[HoopsDawg]

I hope our grad transfers go beyond putting a SECOND punter on scholarship. Seriously, how many SEC programs are spending TWO scholarships on punters?

I don't have much confidence that our staff can land Juwan Johnson, but he would be a nice bridge to our 2020 group of receivers. Guys like Heath and Patterson and the high school guys.

[Goldendawg]

I guess we just aren't going to out spend Auburn like with Cam Newton.

Everyone knows that Scam went to AU just for tuition, board, and books, especially after Dad tried to shake us down. All while the $EC office makes up new rules for another championship.

[FriarsPoint]

Some sight called Pick Six Preview tweeted this out...

Top 2019 Classes (by average)

1 Alabama
2 UGA
3 Ohio State
4 Texas
5 OU
6 Auburn
7 Florida
8 PSU
9 A&M
10 Michigan
11 LSU
12 Oregon
13 ND
14 Tennessee
15 Washington
16 Clemson
17 South Carolina
18 FSU
19 Miss St
20 Arkansas
21 Nebraska
22 USC
23 Miami
24 Stanford
25 Ole Miss

Hell, we’re still 8th in the conference according to that.

[Goldendawg]

There?s usually one of those every year for every school.. it?s just magnified here because of where we are in the rankings.

Saw my first State game in '68. bama, LSU, and sometimes AU have cherry-picked MS. every year my entire life. Heck, Jackie even swooped in for Rooster Jones and Hugh Green while he was at Pitt. Some things don't change.

[maroonmania]

I doubt he $uddenly liked AU better because of anything he read or didn't read on this or any message board.

I think his 'manifesto' of a decommit pretty much told that he would have to have his family 'taken care of' for him to sign and that was very likely coming from his parents, not him. I think he probably would have preferred to go to MSU and he threw that out there to see if we would come up with a deal in line with whatever his family could get from Auburn and apparently we, as usual, weren't going to do that. So it is what it is.

[Goldendawg]

Mingo will leave if they ask him to play DB. We really hurt ourselves when we offered him as a safety early in the game. We were playing catch up from the jump

Hard for me to believe we offered him as a safety has tough as it has been for us to get a game changing WR.

[Goldendawg]

It's certainly not a replacement for a good player, but the average grad Transfer has likely already proved himself at the D1 level and you can just replace your grad Transfer this year with another next year

I believe any grad Transfer we pursue would give us more value than one of the last 2-3 guys in our signing class

How long until you lose the locker room with grad transfers. If you've missed that bad on the players that you have something is already wrong (saying this knowing Jo has only one class in that locker room, but i still think it's a risk. Love Jackie, but it became hard his last few years to even recruit HS players due to signing too many JC players, many who didn't pan out, (see an entire Arizona DL from a JC). I just don't like the grad transfer stuff.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Hard for me to believe we offered him as a safety has tough as it has been for us to get a game changing WR.

Mullen did his Jr year

[Goldendawg]

Mullen did his Jr year

Now understood. Guess he couldn't block as a WR.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Now understood. Guess he couldn't block as a WR.

No just a dumbass move

[bobcat91]

So in the end, why did Mingo choose UM when everything was trending our way including getting a commit from his HS qb

[Really Clark?]

How long until you lose the locker room with grad transfers. If you've missed that bad on the players that you have something is already wrong (saying this knowing Jo has only one class in that locker room, but i still think it's a risk. Love Jackie, but it became hard his last few years to even recruit HS players due to signing too many JC players, many who didn't pan out, (see an entire Arizona DL from a JC). I just don't like the grad transfer stuff.

If you a bring a ton of grad transfers every year it might be an issue. But honestly players today mostly don’t have issues with some coming in to help. And yeah Jackie messed up at the end but he also had locker room issues before the end. And he got kind of lazy trying to duplicate some prior success with a lot of JUCO’s

[BuckyIsAB****]

So in the end, why did Mingo choose UM when everything was trending our way including getting a commit from his HS qb

He told us a long time ago if we offered Will and his teammate Jay Stanley(who OM also signed) that he would commit on the spot. We never gave Jay much of a chance.

And some other reasons that I wont discuss here

[BuckyIsAB****]

But he was very torn and made his decision late last night. I know coming in 2nd is tough but there wasnt much else we could have done other than what I said. He was committed to them since July and had some of his family set on OM and some wanted him to come to us. He did say he had the most fun at MSU but he just couldnt tell them no. We recruited the hell out of him

It is what it is. He's a hell of a player hopefully just maybe he ends up at MSU with his QB along with Jay.

[ShotgunDawg]

But he was very torn and made his decision late last night. I know coming in 2nd is tough but there wasnt much else we could have done other than what I said. He was committed to them since July and had some of his family set on OM and some wanted him to come to us. He did say he had the most fun at MSU but he just couldnt tell them no. We recruited the hell out of him

It is what it is. He's a hell of a player hopefully just maybe he ends up at MSU with his QB along with Jay.

So frustrating

[Cooterpoot]

I told you guys. If a kid doesn’t decommit, there’s almost no shot at flipping them.

[msstate7]

I told you guys. If a kid doesn’t decommit, there’s almost no shot at flipping them.

Bogle and George Pickens did it today.

[Cooterpoot]

Bogle and George Pickens did it today.

But everybody knew that was happening including the schools they were committed to. When a kid is 50/50 and doesn’t decommit, they ain’t flipping usually.

[msstate7]

But everybody knew that was happening including the schools they were committed to. When a kid is 50/50 and doesn’t decommit, they ain’t flipping usually.

And well, we aren?t Florida and Georgia too... yeah, you right

[maroonmania]

If you a bring a ton of grad transfers every year it might be an issue. But honestly players today mostly don’t have issues with some coming in to help. And yeah Jackie messed up at the end but he also had locker room issues before the end. And he got kind of lazy trying to duplicate some prior success with a lot of JUCO’s

Good gracious, would hate to think about our women's basketball team not having Anriel Howard this year. Not sure why a grad transfer or two would have any different effect on a ootball team than a JUCO or two coming in.

[maroonmania]

Now that its over does anyone know the scoop on why Moore would drag our coaching staff back in on him last week and come in for a Sunday visit only to dump us again and go to Auburn? What was the point to even try to mend fences?

[ShotgunDawg]

Now that its over does anyone know the scoop on why Moore would drag our coaching staff back in on him last week and come in for a Sunday visit only to dump us again and go to Auburn? What was the point to even try to mend fences?

Maybe because he wanted to attend MSU. I'm not sure choosing Auburn was his decision

[maroonmania]

Maybe because he wanted to attend MSU. I'm not sure choosing Auburn was his decision

Yea, almost sounds like it wasn't his decision but somehow he didn't know it wasn't his decision.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Yea, almost sounds like it wasn't his decision but somehow he didn't know it wasn't his decision.

I watched him sign on twitter the whole deal didnt look comfortable FWIW

[Bdawg]

Has Homedawg stated the situation with Moore? He was supposed to fill everyone in and I got busy at work.

[timotheus]

The story behind Moore's recent antics leads directly to a stack of chip$. Bidding wars do occur but when an individual openly engages in this manner I feel it is best to be as far away as possible.

[Bothrops]

Bogle and George Pickens did it today.

Yeah that blue blood swapping of players going on today was mad. I havent seen that in a while. LSU/BAMA/Georgia