2019 Recruiting Thread

[BB30]

I remember people saying Senquez Golson and JT Ginn among others having zero chance of going to college..."ZERO chance"....

Neither comparison is really in the same ballpark. This kid has a shot at working into the top half of the first round.

If he was going to be playing QB at the next level it would make a bit more sense but taking the abuse he will at RB I just can't see it. You never know something weird could happen. A lot of time from now until the draft. We would be dumb not to sign him if we could.

Minor League ball is a different kind of challenge in and of itself. Missing out on the college experience may be a big factor in his decision especially if money isn't a huge issue.

[Scared_Hitless]

I am all for signing him just don't think he plays football as an RB in the SEC if he is a 1st rounder.

[msstate7]

Lincoln Riley just landed 5-star wr from Georgia. Riley adds him to 5-star wr, 5-star qb, 97 rated wr, and 96 rated te. Oklahoma offense bout to be unstoppable

[ShotgunDawg]

Lincoln Riley just landed 5-star wr from Georgia. Riley adds him to 5-star wr, 5-star qb, 97 rated wr, and 96 rated te. Oklahoma offense bout to be unstoppable

Wasn't it already unstoppable?

Big 12 is a great place for offensive recruits. Put up big numbers, win, and never get hit hard.

[msstate7]

Wasn't it already unstoppable?

Big 12 is a great place for offensive recruits. Put up big numbers, win, and never get hit hard.

Bama stopped them the 1st quarter. Last year, Oklahoma class was defense at top. This year it is elite offensive heavy. If Riley makes a good defensive hire, they may make it to championship game next year

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Bama stopped them the 1st quarter. Last year, Oklahoma class was defense at top. This year it is elite offensive heavy. If Riley makes a good defensive hire, they may make it to championship game next year

Going to depend how quickly the new QB adjusts. He was blessed with 2 Heisman trophy winning, 1st Rd QB caliber guys.

[msstate7]

Going to depend how quickly the new QB adjusts. He was blessed with 2 Heisman trophy winning, 1st Rd QB caliber guys.

I think Riley had a lot to do with those 2 guys. Obviously qb is a question mark, but gotta figure Riley can get it right.

[HancockCountyDog]

Going to depend how quickly the new QB adjusts. He was blessed with 2 Heisman trophy winning, 1st Rd QB caliber guys.

Lotta smoke that he may come back next year.

The thinking is how he progresses with A’s will determine whether he goes to NFL.

[ShotgunDawg]

Lotta smoke that he may come back next year.

The thinking is how he progresses with A’s will determine whether he goes to NFL.

I can't figure out why he would come back next year. My only reasoning is that there is no way the NFL team that takes him would also allow him to play baseball & thus he would lose about half of money from Oakland, but, if he stayed at Oklahoma for one more season, he could play for the A's for one season, keep all of his baseball money, & then go full-time to the NFL.

It's the only reason for him to come back to Oklahoma

[HancockCountyDog]

I can't figure out why he would come back next year. My only reasoning is that there is no way the NFL team that takes him would also allow him to play baseball & thus he would lose about half of money from Oakland, but, if he stayed at Oklahoma for one more season, he could play for the A's for one season, keep all of his baseball money, & then go full-time to the NFL.

It's the only reason for him to come back to Oklahoma

If he is a top 20 pick in the NFL draft is a minimum of 10 million guaranteed as the floor of a rookie contract. The 3.5 million is nice, but you are on a rookie contract for several years even assuming you make it to the majors, the odds are that the signing bonus is the most money you make in your entire MLB career. Hitting 87 mph sliders is hard.

He could play in the A's system this spring/summer and if he is dominant, maybe he gives up football. If he struggles to hit he goes back to OU and maybe improves his draft stock to the point that he is a top 10 pick.

Also, as I understand it, most signing bonuses in MLB are structured in such a way that you have to play in the minors to keep it, that its not like you can play 2 seasons in MILB, decide its not for you and go play football and keep the 3.5 million, but someone more versed in baseball can correct me.

I think coming back for his senior season gives him the most options to make the most long term money. That is unless of course some team in the top 5 of the NFL draft made some type of guarantee (Which I don't believe happens) then go pro.

[ShotgunDawg]

If he is a top 20 pick in the NFL draft is a minimum of 10 million guaranteed as the floor of a rookie contract. The 3.5 million is nice, but you are on a rookie contract for several years even assuming you make it to the majors, the odds are that the signing bonus is the most money you make in your entire MLB career. Hitting 87 mph sliders is hard.

He could play in the A's system this spring/summer and if he is dominant, maybe he gives up football. If he struggles to hit he goes back to OU and maybe improves his draft stock to the point that he is a top 10 pick.

Also, as I understand it, most signing bonuses in MLB are structured in such a way that you have to play in the minors to keep it, that its not like you can play 2 seasons in MILB, decide its not for you and go play football and keep the 3.5 million, but someone more versed in baseball can correct me.

I think coming back for his senior season gives him the most options to make the most long term money. That is unless of course some team in the top 5 of the NFL draft made some type of guarantee (Which I don't believe happens) then go pro.

Maybe. I'm just not sure he can get anything more from a football standpoint by going back to OU. His stock is at an all time high right now in a weak QB class.

[SilentSteel16]

Weak QB class? This class has Fitz in it !! Made ya laugh and you know it.

[maroonmania]

Can we take the Oklahoma talk to a different thread please? Not only does it have nothing to do with MSU recruiting, has nothing to do with MSU.

[GreenheadDawg]

Can we take the Oklahoma talk to a different thread please? Not only does it have nothing to do with MSU recruiting, has nothing to do with MSU.

About every 10 posts we go down the rabbit hole.

[BuckyIsAB****]

How do we convince him we can throw the ball?

Gonna hurt some feelings but Moorhead will blame it all on Fitz

[BuckyIsAB****]

Lincoln Riley just landed 5-star wr from Georgia. Riley adds him to 5-star wr, 5-star qb, 97 rated wr, and 96 rated te. Oklahoma offense bout to be unstoppable

Yeah they sign highly rated guys on defense too and you see how bad they are. Again, ratings never won anyone a game

[1bigdawg]

Can we take the Oklahoma talk to a different thread please? Not only does it have nothing to do with MSU recruiting, has nothing to do with MSU.

This

[smootness]

Maybe. I'm just not sure he can get anything more from a football standpoint by going back to OU. His stock is at an all time high right now in a weak QB class.

Perhaps he has no plans to play football on the next level and just wants one more season of playing QB. He can play baseball in Oakland's system this summer, come back and play football at OU, then go back to Oakland for good.

That's actually the route I would take if I were him. Have one more year of fun playing football, then give everything you have to baseball. Even if he doesn't make it, there will still be an NFL team willing to take a chance on him in 4-5 years.

[ShotgunDawg]

Perhaps he has no plans to play football on the next level and just wants one more season of playing QB. He can play baseball in Oakland's system this summer, come back and play football at OU, then go back to Oakland for good.

That's actually the route I would take if I were him. Have one more year of fun playing football, then give everything you have to baseball. Even if he doesn't make it, there will still be an NFL team willing to take a chance on him in 4-5 years.

He has plans to play football at the next level

[KOdawg1]

Mingo already has an OV scheduled and I think Byron does too.

Need to get Plumlee on campus. With all of our DB commits bolting, we have to find some replacements

[Cooterpoot]

Plumlee is coming in next week.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Is this guy a possible backup for CB?

https://247sports.com/player/collin-duncan-94207/

[Jack Lambert]

Plumlee is coming in next week.

I wonder would he be coming to visit if Mullen was still our coach?

[Cooterpoot]

I wonder would he be coming to visit if Mullen was still our coach?

Maybe, maybe not. They weren't big fans of Mullen. And like I said before, he's got a girlfriend.....

[MetEdDawg]

I haven't seen his video. Could Plumlee play CB?

[KOdawg1]

Is this guy a possible backup for CB?

https://247sports.com/player/collin-duncan-94207/

He's a safety in college

[Cooterpoot]

Yes. He can play CB and I'd bet that's the second place we put him after his QB look (if that doesn't work out) simply due to a total lack of depth there.

[Ari Gold]

Just get Plumlee .. his position will work itself out.

[Commercecomet24]

Plumlee is coming in next week.

We are in pretty good shape with them, hope we can close the deal!

[KOdawg1]

We are in pretty good shape with them, hope we can close the deal!
Ole Miss is telling him he'd play QB for them but that wouldn't make sense since they've already signed 2 QBs already in this class. But you know they're all about the starzzz

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

I like him QB. He is Trace McSorley size.

[Cooterpoot]

I like him QB. He is Trace McSorley size.

Couple problems. He's not been a good passer in HS and he's going to play baseball. Not really any way I see a baseball player winning the starting QB spot while missing spring ball.

[Turfdawg67]

About every 10 posts we go down the rabbit hole.

The culprit is usually a 45000+ posting fraud of a MSU fan. He hates and criticizes MSU any chance he gets but loves to praise Jimbo, Riley, Herman, Mullen, Morris, the Braves and the Saints. But I'm not gonna mention his name... you'll have to just guess.

[msbulldog]

The culprit is usually a 45000+ posting fraud of a MSU fan. He hates and criticizes MSU any chance he gets but loves to praise Jimbo, Riley, Herman, Mullen, Morris, the Braves and the Saints. But I'm not gonna mention his name... you'll have to just guess.

I guess we're playing 'Whats My Line'? Most of ya'll are too young to know the game show I'm talking about, hell it's almost older than me and I was around for the start of TV.

[CadaverDawg]

I guess we're playing 'Whats My Line'? Most of ya'll are too young to know the game show I'm talking about, hell it's almost older than me and I was around for the start of TV.

You talkin bout "Whose line is it anyway"? Liked it back in the day

[CadaverDawg]

The culprit is usually a 45000+ posting fraud of a MSU fan. He hates and criticizes MSU any chance he gets but loves to praise Jimbo, Riley, Herman, Mullen, Morris, the Braves and the Saints. But I'm not gonna mention his name... you'll have to just guess.

Disagree with him all you want, but don't doubt mstate7's MSU fanhood for a second.

[Turfdawg67]

Disagree with him all you want, but don't doubt mstate7's MSU fanhood for a second.

Ummm... okay. Fans like him are ABSOLUTELY worthless. And guys that defend shitty fans like that... well they are prob influenced by LSU douches.

[MetEdDawg]

Charles Moore decommits

[Cooterpoot]

He’s listening to the wrong people. Going to mess up.

[HoopsDawg]

Charles Moore decommits

we are going to have to really scramble to sign 23-24 quality players.

[msstate7]

With Moore loss, we drop to 11th in sec

[HoopsDawg]

With Moore loss, we drop to 11th in sec

We have 14 signees. 2 solid commits: Pickering and Walker though Pickering is still taking visits. That's 16. We need to sign at least 7 more players. I don't see 7 SEC players on our board that I feel we can sign.

[ShotgunDawg]

With Moore loss, we drop to 11th in sec

Brutal unless we finish strong.

Moorhead needs some wins man. Dude is going to get run over.

[CadaverDawg]

What a shit show

[HoopsDawg]

Brutal unless we finish strong.

Moorhead needs some wins man. Dude is going to get run over.

gotta swing a Mingo/Byron Young and I just don't see that happening.

[Bothrops]

Way to go Mr. Moore, turn your back on the program that stuck with you from the beginning. God be with you.

[Cooterpoot]

Same recruiting, different coach. It’s a MSU problem. It’s why so many people say it’s a tough job. Not sure we will ever overcome it.

[MetEdDawg]

Same recruiting, different coach. It’s a MSU problem. It’s why so many people say it’s a tough job. Not sure we will ever overcome it.

Got too many that want to leave the state. That's going to be a common theme. Has anyone not wondered why OM isn't a player here? It's not an MSU thing. It's an MS thing. Kid wants to get out.

[Cooterpoot]

This class of kids in MS just didn’t stick together. They’re going all over the place. Best yearvin a long time and they all turn their backs on MS.

[MetEdDawg]

This class of kids in MS just didn’t stick together. They’re going all over the place. Best yearvin a long time and they all turn their backs on MS.

Well the folks in the know said be prepared for it. Said it was going to happen. Then we change coaches and expect everything to not only not change, but to magically get better. First full recruiting class is the toughest class for a new coach.

[msstate7]

This class of kids in MS just didn’t stick together. They’re going all over the place. Best yearvin a long time and they all turn their backs on MS.

Joe blew an opportunity. Om has nothing to sell this year. We were hyped preseason and turned in a very underwhelming year. Everyone is telling them state is headed down hill now that Mullen is gone. We did nothing to prove that wrong

[bulldawg28]

Replace Moore with Young and keep it moving.

[Doggie_Style]

Got too many that want to leave the state. That's going to be a common theme. Has anyone not wondered why OM isn't a player here? It's not an MSU thing. It's an MS thing. Kid wants to get out.

It?s a no confidence in the staffs of MSU and OM thing....JoMo just did not get the job done

[Cooterpoot]

Joe blew an opportunity. Om has nothing to sell this year. We were hyped preseason and turned in a very underwhelming year. Everyone is telling them state is headed down hill now that Mullen is gone. We did nothing to prove that wrong

Nah. Has nothing to do with that.

[Cooterpoot]

Moore has people in his ear. He’s not smart enough to realize they’re using him.

[msstate7]

Nah. Has nothing to do with that.

They were not pouring out the state when freeze and Mullen were both winning

[MetEdDawg]

It?s a no confidence in the staffs of MSU and OM thing....JoMo just did not get the job done

Wrong. If someone or multiple someone's are telling Moore something else than what Moorhead is saying, what should Joe do?

Lay it out. What specifically did Joe do to screw this situation up?

[NCDawg]

Yeah, all that stuff about them not signing on signing date in December, but they just want to have fun and take their visits. Nothing to worry about.

[MetEdDawg]

They were not pouring out the state when freeze and Mullen were both winning


Knott and Lashley ring a bell? Cam Akers? Myles Brennan? Saadiq Charles?? Jordan Murphy? Raekwon Davis?

[Cooterpoot]

They were not pouring out the state when freeze and Mullen were both winning

They stayed together like I mentioned. This class just wasn’t a close group. But I will say what I said several months ago. Some State fans will never accept Moorhead.

[CadaverDawg]

Yeah, all that stuff about them not signing on signing date in December, but they just want to have fun and take their visits. Nothing to worry about.

Yep, every year, same shit

[ShotgunDawg]

They stayed together like I mentioned. This class just wasn’t a close group. But I will say what I said several months ago. Some State fans will never accept Moorhead.

We will if he wins

[Doggie_Style]

Wrong. If someone or multiple someone's are telling Moore something else than what Moorhead is saying, what should Joe do?

Lay it out. What specifically did Joe do to screw this situation up?

He lost when he had the better team

[Cooterpoot]

We will if he wins

He won more games this year than Mullen averaged.

[ShotgunDawg]

He won more games this year than Mullen averaged.

With a better roster than what Mullen averaged.

Mullen mostly never lost games in which we were favored. This year Moorhead lost 3 of those

[CadaverDawg]

He won more games this year than Mullen averaged.

In a year he should have won 2-3 more. You can't be serious

[Bothrops]

There is no way in hell you can pin this loss on Moorhead, with this drama queen. This is a misguided kid that doesn't know what he's doing. Just read the tweet, it's pitiful.

We need to get the Birmingham kid in the boat and hope for a miracle with Young.

[MetEdDawg]

He lost when he had the better team

So you know that did it? Thats some pretty dang good insight right there. Shocked that hasn't been spoken before as a major factor in his decision. Hate it took until January for that to be his deciding factor.

[maroonmania]

They stayed together like I mentioned. This class just wasn?t a close group. But I will say what I said several months ago. Some State fans will never accept Moorhead.

That is ridiculous. Most all MSU fans I have any contact with REALLY like Moorhead on a personal level. He fits with our fanbase WAY more than Mullen ever did. That said, fans still want to see results on the field and this year's results were marginal at best on offense.

[Cooterpoot]

In a year he should have won 2-3 more. You can't be serious

Like I said, some fans won’t ever accept Moorhead. Other than FL and IA, I don’t see wins regardless of the coach. But our fans are treating him just like they did Croom. And part of that is on our AD for grabbing up a guy nobody knew, from up north, and basically no HC experience. I get it. I don’t agree with it, but I get it.

[Red Sox Dawg]

We have 14 signees. 2 solid commits: Pickering and Walker though Pickering is still taking visits. That's 16. We need to sign at least 7 more players. I don't see 7 SEC players on our board that I feel we can sign.

I don?t either and one of the OL that signed is a project. Now we are going after his teammate, a low rated DL. I think we hold on to Pickering and Walker but I?m not optimistic that we will finish strong.

Ari, IYOK, any good news or hope out there?

[ShotgunDawg]

That is ridiculous. Most all MSU fans I have any contact with REALLY like Moorhead on a personal level. He fits with our fanbase WAY more than Mullen ever did. That said, fans still want to see results on the field and this year's results were marginal at best on offense.

I don't care about "connecting" with the coach. I only care about winning. That's what they are paid to do

[Lord McBuckethead]

That is ridiculous. Most all MSU fans I have any contact with REALLY like Moorhead on a personal level. He fits with our fanbase WAY more than Mullen ever did. That said, fans still want to see results on the field and this year's results were marginal at best on offense.

Bingo. I do not know a single MSU fan personally that does not like Moorhead. We all want him to succeed on the field and on the recruiting trail. Shit like not even trying to neutralize a DE at kentucky that was whippin the bloody hell out of you drives us crazy. Moorhead just misses some easy shit. Hope it was 1st year problems and he gets the team cleaned up for this upcoming year.

[CadaverDawg]

Like I said, some fans won’t ever accept Moorhead. Other than FL and IA, I don’t see wins regardless of the coach. But our fans are treating him just like they did Croom. And part of that is on our AD for grabbing up a guy nobody knew, from up north, and basically no HC experience. I get it. I don’t agree with it, but I get it.

Bull shit, I was all in on Joe until he botched what should have been a great season. Win the games you should and everybody will love you. He didn't. Quit making excuses for him and acting like there's no reason to be mad at the guy. You know it's bullshit.

[msstate7]

Bull shit, I was all in on Joe until he botched what should have been a great season. Win the games you should and everybody will love you. He didn't. Quit making excuses for him and acting like there's no reason to be mad at the guy. You know it's bullshit.

Cooter was blasting Moorhead after Kentucky and Florida. Now he worships joe

[maroonmania]

I don't care about "connecting" with the coach. I only care about winning. That's what they are paid to do

The post I responded to had to do with MSU fans not "accepting" Moorhead. Usually people who aren't accepted are either not liked or folks don't believe they will fit. So far I don't think Moorhead has done enough on the field for most folks to buy in 100% but he certainly hasn't done poorly enough for people to be jumping off the bandwagon either. To compare Moorhead's situation to Croom (who other than one year was consistently at 3 to 4 wins) is ludicrous.

[dawgday166]

Cooter was blasting Moorhead after Kentucky and Florida. Now he worships joe

I was too. But I've decided to be patient and wait and see. The sky isn't always falling so rapidly. In 2011, Mullen had a terrible class that took us to #1. Joe gotta get offense implemented and clean up some discipline issues relative to smack talking, twittering, in game stupid PF penalties, etc. There are a lot of positive things that are taking place and he is still learning too.

Now if Shoop leaves ... that would be a blow IMO.

[Cooterpoot]

I’m not for firing a guy that won 8 games. Especially with shitty talent on offense that doesn’t remotely match the scheme. Jo ain’t perfect, but we still have damn good shots at Mingo, Plumlee, & James. The rest is going to be rough other than Pickering. We ain’t getting Young. Who knows with Moore. I think Jo has his QB and will have his WRs next year.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

15 Four stars and 1 Five star in Mississippi this year. As of this moment we have 3 signed and 1 more committed.

[CadaverDawg]

15 Four stars and 1 Five star in Mississippi this year. As of this moment we have 3 signed and 1 more committed.

Brutal

[Hambone]

The freak out isn’t over yet. More to come.

[RezDog7]

In a year he should have won 2-3 more. You can't be serious

This is getting so old. Name an offensive player that would start for another SEC team? I'll wait.

[CadaverDawg]

This is getting so old. Name an offensive player that would start for another SEC team? I'll wait.

Aeris, Kylin, Guidry, Jenkins, Williams, Fitz to name a few. Counter that with the #1 D in the country, 8-5 was an unacceptable failure.

[Todd4State]

Aeris, Kylin, Guidry, Jenkins, Williams, Fitz to name a few. Counter that with the #1 D in the country, 8-5 was an unacceptable failure.

Fitz at QB for another team? Or another position?

[LanceHarbor]

I’m convinced MSU has the worst bagmen on earth.



The freak out isn’t over yet. More to come.

[Dawgfan77]

The freak out isn’t over yet. More to come.
Yeah I don?t see it. Moore had a below average year went to the all star games saw all the attention those uncommitted kids were getting and de committed. Moore?s potential is very high but he tends to take plays and games off. I?m gonna say we get him on campus and smooth things over but if we don?t at least this staff had back up plans. BTW the DL from Birmingham does has power 5 offers and I?d about to blow up

[msbulldog]

This is getting so old. Name an offensive player that would start for another SEC team? I'll wait.

Jenkins, Calhoun and Hill.

[Dawgology]

I just read his decommit tweet. Dude is basically saying he wants a hook-up if football doesn't work out so he is decommitting. Good luck to the guy. State could have put him in the league (see the current playoff games) but with an attitude like that he's going to have a long and tough life. Would have been nice to have him but I'm not too sure about him now after reading that tweet. I hope he comes to his senses but if he doesn't then someone else will take his place here.

I think Moorhead is doing ok on the recruiting trail at the moment. He's got a solid B so far and it's his first real class. Depending on how he finishes out that could go up to a solid A or drop to a C. I think no lower than that though. He's obviously still learning.

[ShotgunDawg]

I just read his decommit tweet. Dude is basically saying he wants a hook-up if football doesn't work out so he is decommitting. Good luck to the guy. State could have put him in the league (see the current playoff games) but with an attitude like that he's going to have a long and tough life. Would have been nice to have him but I'm not too sure about him now after reading that tweet. I hope he comes to his senses but if he doesn't then someone else will take his place here.

I think Moorhead is doing ok on the recruiting trail at the moment. He's got a solid B so far and it's his first real class. Depending on how he finishes out that could go up to a solid A or drop to a C. I think no lower than that though. He's obviously still learning.

We should have Cohen's ass if he ever hires another football coach that apparently needs to learn as much as you guys say Moorhead does.

The entire point of paying someone 2+ mill is that you can get someone who doesn't have to learn on the job. Complete tomfoolery IMO that we hired someone who essentially, in your opinion, had no idea what he was doing.

You can't have it both ways. You can't make one post that you trust Moorhead and in the next post let him off the hook because he's still learning

[Dawgology]

We should have Cohen's ass if he ever hires another football coach that apparently needs to learn as much as you guys say Moorhead does.

The entire point of paying someone 2+ mill is that you can get someone who doesn't have to learn on the job. Complete tomfoolery IMO that we hired someone who essentially, in your opinion, had no idea what he was doing.

You can't have it both ways. You can't make one post that you trust Moorhead and in the next post let him off the hook because he's still learning

What? 2 million is a lot of money. It also makes JoMo the lowest paid head coach in the SEC. It's exactly what you pay a coach in the SEC who has to learn a thing or two. I'm not giving him a pass at all. But I don't think this thread is the place to argue over this.

Having read the tweet that Moore put out it appears he is REALLY confused or a total punk. Because he addresses injury but MSU stuck with him through his actual injury and maintained his scholarship offer. Personally, dude looks like he is openly trying to make some money before he commits somewhere. As a program we need to back off of him. It is a bad look on his part.

[BankerDog]

Aeris, Kylin, Guidry, Jenkins, Williams, Fitz to name a few. Counter that with the #1 D in the country, 8-5 was an unacceptable failure.

Oh my...you really have no clue. You think Guidry and Fitz would start at other SEC schools?? That is the funniest thing on here in awhile.

[BankerDog]

Moore de-committting has been expected and there?s more to the story then what is out there, I?m leaving it at that.

[BankerDog]

15 Four stars and 1 Five star in Mississippi this year. As of this moment we have 3 signed and 1 more committed.

And as someone who has kept up with recruiting for awhile in the state, a good number of those guys will never pan out. (Pat Patterson, Chris Garret, Lashley, Knott, Damien Robinson, Jake Thomas, Morrow, etc.)

[ShotgunDawg]

Moore de-committting has been expected and there?s more to the story then what is out there, I?m leaving it at that.

I bet you have absolutely no clue what the rest of the story is.

[ShotgunDawg]

What? 2 million is a lot of money. It also makes JoMo the lowest paid head coach in the SEC. It's exactly what you pay a coach in the SEC who has to learn a thing or two. I'm not giving him a pass at all. But I don't think this thread is the place to argue over this.

Having read the tweet that Moore put out it appears he is REALLY confused or a total punk. Because he addresses injury but MSU stuck with him through his actual injury and maintained his scholarship offer. Personally, dude looks like he is openly trying to make some money before he commits somewhere. As a program we need to back off of him. It is a bad look on his part.

Shit post.

[msstate7]

Comparing this class to Mullen's last 5. First off, this class avg per recruit is better than any Mullen had, which is the first measure I look at. Is it sustainable though, and does it move us up in the conference rankings wise? So for this class and Mullen's last 5, I'm giving avg per recruit, rank in sec, and number of 88 rated or higher players in miss. I used 88 bc that almost always lands an OM or state offer.

'19: .8840 per recruit, 11th in sec, 18 at 88+*
'17: .8611, 9th, 8
'16: .8768, 11th, 11
'15: .8769, 9th, 9
'14: .8484, 12th, 10
'13: .8622, 10th, 6

*cunningham, payton, walker, Washington, James, and Emerson are all included. Not sure any are locks to be included after signing day.

Not sure what all this means, but it appears we aren't gonna make up any ground in the sec in a historic level of talent in Mississippi

[Dawgology]

Shit post.

Whatever man. Our AD decides to take a gamble and save some cash. It’s coming back and biting him in the ass. If that’s a shit post then it is what it is.

[chef dixon]

I don?t understand why our fans start posting negative posts about these kids when they still may decide they want to come to MSU. It makes no sense

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Oh my...you really have no clue. You think Guidry and Fitz would start at other SEC schools?? That is the funniest thing on here in awhile.

Fitz would have started at Arky, Vandy, Tennessee, Florida and would have pushed Wilson at Kentucky. So he's better than 4-5 other SEC QBs.

Guidry would start at a lot of schools too. Vandy, Kentucky, TN, Arky for sure, probably Auburn, A&M, SC. Would have been in the rotation at literally every team though

[BankerDog]

I bet you have absolutely no clue what the rest of the story is.

I have absolutely more information then you have ever brought to this board and have proven that time and time again. So maybe you need to quit posting until you actually bring something to the board instead of being the biggest baby in association with Mississippi State.

[dawgday166]

We should have Cohen's ass if he ever hires another football coach that apparently needs to learn as much as you guys say Moorhead does.

The entire point of paying someone 2+ mill is that you can get someone who doesn't have to learn on the job. Complete tomfoolery IMO that we hired someone who essentially, in your opinion, had no idea what he was doing.

You can't have it both ways. You can't make one post that you trust Moorhead and in the next post let him off the hook because he's still learning

Dude .. you can't get someone who "doesn't have to learn on the job" for 2 to 3 mill in the SEC. It will take more than that. And any coach from the outside not named Urban Meyer (and maybe 1 or 2 more) will have to learn on the job ... period.

[BankerDog]

Fitz would have started at Arky, Vandy, Tennessee, Florida and would have pushed Wilson at Kentucky. So he's better than 4-5 other SEC QBs.

Guidry would start at a lot of schools too. Vandy, Kentucky, TN, Arky for sure, probably Auburn, A&M, SC. Would have been in the rotation at literally every team though

This post proves how little you know. You honest to God believe that Chad Morris who runs a wide open passing attack woukd start Nick Fitz who can?t complete a pass over 10 yards? Fitz also isn?t better then the UT QB either. Wilson did a heck of a better job then Fitz running this year at Kentucky as well.

I?m not even going to get into Guidry (A&M really dude?)

[Dawgology]

Dude .. you can't get someone who "doesn't have to learn on the job" for 2 to 3 mill in the SEC. It will take more than that. And any coach from the outside not named Urban Meyer (and maybe 1 or 2 more) will have to learn on the job ... period.

Exactly

[Commercecomet24]

Dude .. you can't get someone who "doesn't have to learn on the job" for 2 to 3 mill in the SEC. It will take more than that. And any coach from the outside not named Urban Meyer (and maybe 1 or 2 more) will have to learn on the job ... period.

Exactly. As an example even the great Saban when he first came to lsu had a learning curve.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

I think Moorhead is doing ok on the recruiting trail at the moment. He's got a solid B so far and it's his first real class. Depending on how he finishes out that could go up to a solid A or drop to a C. I think no lower than that though. He's obviously still learning.

You do know he is not the only one recruiting, right?

[BrunswickDawg]

Comparing this class to Mullen's last 5. First off, this class avg per recruit is better than any Mullen had, which is the first measure I look at. Is it sustainable though, and does it move us up in the conference rankings wise? So for this class and Mullen's last 5, I'm giving avg per recruit, rank in sec, and number of 88 rated or higher players in miss. I used 88 bc that almost always lands an OM or state offer.

'19: .8840 per recruit, 11th in sec, 18 at 88+*
'17: .8611, 9th, 8
'16: .8768, 11th, 11
'15: .8769, 9th, 9
'14: .8484, 12th, 10
'13: .8622, 10th, 6

*cunningham, payton, walker, Washington, James, and Emerson are all included. Not sure any are locks to be included after signing day.

Not sure what all this means, but it appears we aren't gonna make up any ground in the sec in a historic level of talent in Mississippi

I think that is where the argument can be made that the recruiting services have a pecking order that seems to be slotted for certain teams. The same teams finish within the same 3 or so slots every year unless they pull off some sort of crazy stunt (see Ole Miss, 2013). I think even if we landed all 18 of those 88+ rated kids, you would have miraculously seen their rating drop just enough to slot us somewhere between 9th and 12th in the SEC. We've already seen that what, a month ago, when they released new ratings and our players either didn't move or dropped.

[bluelightstar]

Fitz would have started at Arky, Vandy, Tennessee, Florida and would have pushed Wilson at Kentucky. So he's better than 4-5 other SEC QBs.

Guidry would start at a lot of schools too. Vandy, Kentucky, TN, Arky for sure, probably Auburn, A&M, SC. Would have been in the rotation at literally every team though

Morris would not touch Nick Fitzgerald with a 10-foot pole. Shurmur is light years better at QB than Fitz, and I'd take Franks over Fitz too. Maybe Fitz is better than Guarantano, but he turns the ball over way too much to be the answer at Kentucky. He'd mess up UK's formula of run the ball and play defense. In fact, I think advanced stats have Fitz as the worst QB in the conference this year.

[Cooterpoot]

Recruiting sites are just like the old magazines and play to certain fan bases. They also know AL is going to win an ass load of games, so they're going to give their guys high rankings when they're marginal. It's not hard to figure out. Lashley, Knott, Davis, all probably drop in ranking if they come to State instead of AL and two of those are busts but give a boost to the ranking.

[Bdawg]

Moore has people in his ear. He?s not smart enough to realize they?re using him.

Are you saying MS people telling him to do something else

[dawgday166]

I think that is where the argument can be made that the recruiting services have a pecking order that seems to be slotted for certain teams. The same teams finish within the same 3 or so slots every year unless they pull off some sort of crazy stunt (see Ole Miss, 2013). I think even if we landed all 18 of those 88+ rated kids, you would have miraculously seen their rating drop just enough to slot us somewhere between 9th and 12th in the SEC. We've already seen that what, a month ago, when they released new ratings and our players either didn't move or dropped.

I don't think that it's quite that slanted ... but it is something similar. In other words, if we got all 18 in-state 4* we'd be higher than 9th in SEC. Probably around 6 or 7.

[Ari Gold]

Everyone chill the **** out... Let this play out and see what happens. It’s not a huge shock that Moore decommitted and it won’t be a huge shock if he signs with us come Feb.

[Dawgology]

You do know he is not the only one recruiting, right?

WHAAAAAAAATTT???!!!**** REALLYYY!!!???*** C'mon dude.

It's his program, his team, he's the boss right now. End of the day he is responsible for every choice his team of recruiters makes whether or not he signed off on it.
I'm not going to list every coach and recruiter and give them a grade. Kudos if you have the time to do that.

[Bothrops]

Everyone chill the **** out... Let this play out and see what happens. It’s not a huge shock that Moore decommitted and it won’t be a huge shock if he signs with us come Feb.

What can we do to go get Byron Young away from that broken little man in Tuscaloosa?

[Ari Gold]

What can we do to go get Byron Young away from that broken little man in Tuscaloosa?

I said it months ago , if BY stays in state he will be a Dawg. The odds aren’t good but Wait till after the OV. That may change

[Scared_Hitless]

No point in worrying about recruiting, things will shake out how they shake out. And if it ends poorly JoMo wont last long which from reading the site would be preferable for most. We get the last visit with Moore, that is usually works against us lets see how Joe closes.

[msstate7]

Which ones we sign?
Cunningham
Payton
Walker
Washington
James
Emerson

[Doggie_Style]

Which ones we sign?
Cunningham - 100%
Payton - 25%
Walker - 100%
Washington - 50%
James - 25%
Emerson - 10%

[Doggie_Style]

Plus
Cunningham - 100%
Payton - 25%
Walker - 100%
Washington - 50%
James - 25%
Emerson - 10%
Pickering - 75%
Duncan - 75%
Plumlee - 50%
Lawrence - 80%
Young - 25%
Moore - 25%
TJ Jones - 10%
Mingo - 25%

[MetEdDawg]

Plus
Cunningham - 100%
Payton - 25%
Walker - 100%
Washington - 50%
James - 25%
Emerson - 10%
Pickering - 75%
Duncan - 75%
Plumlee - 50%
Lawrence - 80%
Young - 25%
Moore - 25%
TJ Jones - 10%
Mingo - 25%

The board is not light. That list is full of good players. The question is how many do we get? If we can get 5 or 6 of those, that's a damn good recruiting class. The question is what happens if we only get 3 or 4.

[Cary Hudson's little bro]

It's so hard for them to turn down that money for visits and commits etc. Would you decommit for $10k, 25k? $50k? CASH

[Cooterpoot]

Cunningham - 100%
Payton - 50%
Walker - 100%
Washington - 60%
James - 60%
Emerson - 25%
Pickering - 100%
Duncan - 50%
Plumlee - 60%
Lawrence - 25%
Young - 25%
Moore - 60%
TJ Jones - 25%
Mingo - 50%

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Moore has people in his ear. He?s not smart enough to realize they?re using him.

Local people or in Florida?

From his actions, he seems like Quay Evans 2.0 and not worth the trouble, but I guess we're in no position to pick and choose the baggage we get with a talented player.

[Scared_Hitless]

Cunningham - 100%
Payton - 50%
Walker - 100%
Washington - 60%
James - 60%
Emerson - 25%
Pickering - 100%
Duncan - 50%
Plumlee - 60%
Lawrence - 25%
Young - 25%
Moore - 60%
TJ Jones - 25%
Mingo - 50%

If we pull these guys above 50% not sure we could complain. But man that feels like the impossible currently.

[Cooterpoot]

Local people or in Florida?

From his actions, he seems like Quay Evans 2.0 and not worth the trouble, but I guess we're in no position to pick and choose the baggage we get with a talented player.

Both to an extent and FL isn't the only school. He's not Quay Evans, not even close.

[Cary Hudson's little bro]

Cunningham - 100%
Payton - 50%
Walker - 100%
Washington - 60%
James - 60%
Emerson - 25%
Pickering - 100%
Duncan - 50%
Plumlee - 60%
Lawrence - 25%
Young - 25%
Moore - 60%
TJ Jones - 25%
Mingo - 50%

I agree with all these numbers too

[Cooterpoot]

The only player we've got committed I think we definitely lose is Emerson. He's all over Miami and that's just a matter of time. We're already bringing in Duncan for a visit to cover that spot. We'll know more about Mingo and Plumlee in a couple weeks after they visit but Plumlee is headed in positive direction. Mingo is a guess but he's definitely looking hard for a better situation. I can't see Young happening.
Washington is just waiting on FSU and they'd have to miss on some people for him to get that offer. James would be HUGE and things look better there for now. AU can't miss on guys though.

[msstate7]

If we pull these guys above 50% not sure we could complain. But man that feels like the impossible currently.

I agree

[MetEdDawg]

The only player we've got committed I think we definitely lose is Emerson. He's all over Miami and that's just a matter of time. We're already bringing in Duncan for a visit to cover that spot. We'll know more about Mingo and Plumlee in a couple weeks after they visit but Plumlee is headed in positive direction. Mingo is a guess but he's definitely looking hard for a better situation. I can't see Young happening.
Washington is just waiting on FSU and they'd have to miss on some people for him to get that offer. James would be HUGE and things look better there for now. AU can't miss on guys though.

Auburn has a safety, two corners, and two athletes that could play signed already. Bama has 2 safeties signed and 3 CBs signed with another CB committed. I don't think James is gonna get a Bama offer, but the Auburn offer will be tough as well. But like you said, Auburn could miss.

Pickering, Plumlee, James, Cunningham, Walker, Duncan would be nice. Add in one or two of the others on that list and I would be extremely happy. That's a top 20 finish in recruiting for sure.

[CadaverDawg]

If we pull these guys above 50% not sure we could complain. But man that feels like the impossible currently.

Yep

[Johnson85]

Like I said, some fans won?t ever accept Moorhead. Other than FL and IA, I don?t see wins regardless of the coach. But our fans are treating him just like they did Croom. And part of that is on our AD for grabbing up a guy nobody knew, from up north, and basically no HC experience. I get it. I don?t agree with it, but I get it.

Now this is just bullshit.

First, our AD hired a premier coordinator from a successful Power5 team. Before the people most fans were convinced he would be a great coach despite all the past experience with otherwise successful coordinators just not cutting it as head coaches.

But there's just no other way to describe the UK and FLorida games other than atrocious. How many coaches watch our tackles get blown up like that at UK for three quarters before they try to adjust? Moorhead just froze up and shit the bed. It happens and it's not the end of the world, but you can't claim the fans weren't going to accept him regardless. And then he didn't do much better in the florida game.

If our offense had shown up for the bowl game, the bandwagon would still be full. It'd be easy to say yea, there were some growing pains and he didn't have the right pieces for his offense, but after a season in the offense, players were getting it and we'll be fine going forward. But with a full seasona nd bowl practices, he couldn't figure out a way to put together a decent offense with the leading QB rusher in SEC history.

People are understandably concerned by that. Some people are freaking out, which is probably overboard. It looks like Moorhead has a system and he's going to have to recruit players to it because he can't adjust it to match a running QB that's a weak passer. "Has to have players that fit his system and has limited ability to adjust his system to players" probably describes most of the offensive guys with an identifiable system, so that doesn't mean Moorhead won't be good going forward.

My big concern now is that it might be hard to get qbs that fit Moorhead. The pirate can take any undersized player with good accuracy and good decision making and blow up the weaker defense conferences. He can pretty much go grab a grad transfer that meets that description every other year. Moorhead needs a guy that can make decisions, throw an accurate deep ball, and run enough to keep defenses honest, and also has to be big enough to take the punishment of the SEC. That's not a guy you can find on any street corner.

[Cooterpoot]

Auburn has a safety, two corners, and two athletes that could play signed already. Bama has 2 safeties signed and 3 CBs signed with another CB committed. I don't think he's gonna get a Bama offer, but the Auburn offer will be tough as well.

I think he's probably one of their "best available" slots though. That's the concern. I don't think he'll take a grey shirt offer based on what he's said in the past. He plays day one at State.

[Commercecomet24]

Cunningham - 100%
Payton - 50%
Walker - 100%
Washington - 60%
James - 60%
Emerson - 25%
Pickering - 100%
Duncan - 50%
Plumlee - 60%
Lawrence - 25%
Young - 25%
Moore - 60%
TJ Jones - 25%
Mingo - 50%

Cooter's numbers are pretty accurate, I would go a little higher on Plumlee, though.

[Cooterpoot]

My big concern now is that it might be hard to get qbs that fit Moorhead. The pirate can take any undersized player with good accuracy and good decision making and blow up the weaker defense conferences. He can pretty much go grab a grad transfer that meets that description every other year. Moorhead needs a guy that can make decisions, throw an accurate deep ball, and run enough to keep defenses honest, and also has to be big enough to take the punishment of the SEC. That's not a guy you can find on any street corner.

1. He's signed his QB.
2. We blew up weaker defenses with freaking Fitz at QB. How is that different than what we did?
3. He went and got a transfer just like we tried to do and a lot of our fans lost their shit over it.
4. Mike Leach had 3 straight losing seasons at WSU to start there. He had to get his players.

[MetEdDawg]

I think he's probably one of their "best available" slots though. That's the concern. I don't think he'll take a grey shirt offer based on what he's said in the past. He plays day one at State.

He's visiting both Iowa and Oregon. Do either of those pose a serious threat? Would he really leave Spanish Fort for Oregon? They only have one CB committed

[Cooterpoot]

I don't know if he would go to those places, but the average recruit isn't going more than 5 hours or 500 miles. I don't see it. I think he's taking trips.

[Scared_Hitless]

If I am a recruit and Oregon offers me an OV, I am taking it. Hopefully that is what he is doing. We need James he is a stud.

Is Payton still a take with this class? I honestly dont care he wont make the spring with our WR core we should take anyone willing to come.

[Johnson85]

Morris would not touch Nick Fitzgerald with a 10-foot pole. Shurmur is light years better at QB than Fitz, and I'd take Franks over Fitz too. Maybe Fitz is better than Guarantano, but he turns the ball over way too much to be the answer at Kentucky. He'd mess up UK's formula of run the ball and play defense. In fact, I think advanced stats have Fitz as the worst QB in the conference this year.

Fitz was just lost in Moorhead's system. He's a very good player that has some significant limits b/c of his passing, but he's still much better than his stats showed this year. Not sure how many places he would have been a clear starter because the system needs to fit him.

But after Fitz, Aeris and Williams would start or play significant minutes for a lot of SEC teams. I'm not sure anybody on the OL other than Jenkins would start a lot of places, but I think Calhoun and Williams could start at several places and even our OT, while not strong, were not bad to have as a weak link. Don't pay attention enough to other teams to be sure, but I suspect they are no worse than several starters across the SEC.

The real major deficiency (besdies having a QB that doesn't fit the scheme), is wide receiver. I'm not sure who on our team even gets playing time elsewhere. Guidry could probably get on the field based on his measurables? I don't think Mitchell or Austin Williams even make it on the field. I'm not sure if anybody else was as weak as us at WR, but I'm guessing we don't have anybody that would be a top 3 receiver for the best half of units? And nobody that would be the second best receiver on any of the 8th through 11th units?

[Turfdawg67]

Aeris, Kylin, Guidry, Jenkins, Williams, Fitz to name a few. Counter that with the #1 D in the country, 8-5 was an unacceptable failure.

Yes we get it. Go back in hiding, come out for baseball.

[MetEdDawg]

Fitz was just lost in Moorhead's system. He's a very good player that has some significant limits b/c of his passing, but he's still much better than his stats showed this year. Not sure how many places he would have been a clear starter because the system needs to fit him.

But after Fitz, Aeris and Williams would start or play significant minutes for a lot of SEC teams. I'm not sure anybody on the OL other than Jenkins would start a lot of places, but I think Calhoun and Williams could start at several places and even our OT, while not strong, were not bad to have as a weak link. Don't pay attention enough to other teams to be sure, but I suspect they are no worse than several starters across the SEC.

The real major deficiency (besdies having a QB that doesn't fit the scheme), is wide receiver. I'm not sure who on our team even gets playing time elsewhere. Guidry could probably get on the field based on his measurables? I don't think Mitchell or Austin Williams even make it on the field. I'm not sure if anybody else was as weak as us at WR, but I'm guessing we don't have anybody that would be a top 3 receiver for the best half of units? And nobody that would be the second best receiver on any of the 8th through 11th units?

Here's my measuring stick for our WR's. Find a good or above average team that our WR's would start for or get decent minutes for. Alabama, Auburn, and TAMU are definite no. LSU probably a no. So the teams we aspire to beat and challenge wouldn't have a single one of our guys start or get decent reps for them. That's why I think so much of what we have failed to do in recruiting under Mullen has hampered the effectiveness of this offense this year. Fitz didn't help, but we've had WR problems for years. It's not a Moorhead thing.

[Turfdawg67]

Oh my...you really have no clue. You think Guidry and Fitz would start at other SEC schools?? That is the funniest thing on here in awhile.

He's so bitter right now, he's grasping for straws. LOL

[msstate7]

Fitz definitely starts at Florida. Under Mullen, fitz finished 19th and 14th nationally in QBR. Franks finished 46th. It was 2012 the last time Mullen's QB finished that low... Russell at #47

[Scared_Hitless]

Jerrion Ealy back on the market.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Jerrion Ealy back on the market.

Clemson

[Johnson85]

1. He's signed his QB.

Hopefully. But when will he be ready and will we have a problem consistently getting those guys? Not sure MS will consistently produce them.


2. We blew up weaker defenses with freaking Fitz at QB. How is that different than what we did? We did look lost against good defenses last year, at least on the road, but we also played pretty well against Bama, A&M, and LSU. This year, we blew up weak defenses and then looked completely lost against every pretty good defense we played other than A&M. We weren't going score consistently against good defenses with Fitz's passing and our lack of WRs. But if we had just not looked lost against UF, that's a win. I think if we had not looked lost against UK, that likely would have been a win. Our defense basically shut them down through the third quarter; two bad calls game them short fields. We give them any help, and that's at least a toss up if not a win. Then there's the bowl game (granted had we performed in the season we likely woudl ahve had a tougher matchup).

But the blowing up weak defenses is huge if you're concerned about us tanking going forward. That means we shouldn't have to worry about the terrible upsets, then we have a power 5 OOC (and none that we have on the schedule currently are expected powerhouses), UM, Arky, UK, and a hit or miss east opponent.


3. He went and got a transfer just like we tried to do and a lot of our fans lost their shit over it. I think some fans lost their shit over not getting a transfer. Between going hard after Kelly and Key not getting any time, even when Fitz was completely lost, I think they understandably were concerned Key wasn't progressing. No clue if they're right or not, but it is a little concerning to me.


4. Mike Leach had 3 straight losing seasons at WSU to start there. He had to get his players. Fair enough. I was just trying to point out that there are a lot of QBs he can make work in his system (maybe that's me not giving Minshew enough credit). But similarly, Mullen can get pretty good results with Qbs like Relf and Fitz. Just not sure how good a Qb Mooread needs to make his system work.

[dawgday166]

Fitz definitely starts at Florida. Under Mullen, fitz finished 19th and 14th nationally in QBR. Franks finished 46th. It was 2012 the last time Mullen's QB finished that low... Russell at #47

A few other SEC teams too IMO. Fitz can be good if play is definitely a run or definitely a pass. When it's either/or he not so good. He probably starts for O at LSU. And a few other SEC teams. Not Bama, Ga, Mizzou, USCe, TAM.

[KOdawg1]

Ealy is headed to Clemson. Moore to Auburn.

Sucks two highly rated guys are leaving the state on top of those who have already left.

[KOdawg1]

So is DJ James not gone like everyone said?

[msstate7]

And with ealy decommitting, we move up to 10th in sec. Hopefully mingo leaves now

[ShotgunDawg]

Ealy is headed to Clemson. Moore to Auburn.

Sucks two highly rated guys are leaving the state on top of those who have already left.

I wouldn't assume this at all.

Remember that Moore has already used his official to Auburn. I think Florida is the bigger threat with Moore. I bet he signs with MSU

[ShotgunDawg]

So is DJ James not gone like everyone said?


He doesn't have an offer from Bama or Auburn. Until he does, he's ours.

[Commercecomet24]

Ealy is going to MLB.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Just let things cool off & play out on Charles. Let him get his thoughts together.

[BankerDog]

A few other SEC teams too IMO. Fitz can be good if play is definitely a run or definitely a pass. When it's either/or he not so good. He probably starts for O at LSU. And a few other SEC teams. Not Bama, Ga, Mizzou, USCe, TAM.

Fitz playing at LSU? Now I?ve heard it all. You think O would take a run option QB and put him under center? The same QB who slid on 3rd and 3 against Bama would go to LSU and be the game manager that team required?

Fitz is a one trick pony. He ONLY works in a run option spread. That?s it, he only works in one offense. The sooner people will realize certain players are made for certain schemes the easier it?ll be for you. Just like Tyler Russell, a typical Bama and manager, couldn?t work in Mullen?s run option spread.

[Ari Gold]

Just let things cool off & play out on Charles. Let him get his thoughts together.

Thank you.. exactly what I’m saying minus the ****.
And with Ealy I still think if he goes to college to play both baseball and football he comes here over Clemson.

[dawgday166]

Fitz playing at LSU? Now I?ve heard it all. You think O would take a run option QB and put him under center? The same QB who slid on 3rd and 3 against Bama would go to LSU and be the game manager that team required?

Fitz is a one trick pony. He ONLY works in a run option spread. That?s it, he only works in one offense. The sooner people will realize certain players are made for certain schemes the easier it?ll be for you. Just like Tyler Russell, a typical Bama and manager, couldn?t work in Mullen?s run option spread.

I think O wants more than he has in Burrow. And coming off his 2017 season, I think O would've loved to have Fitz. Now O wouldn't have developed him coming out of HS but yes ... I do think O would've taken him over Burrow in the 2018 preseason. And I think Fitz would've been better than Burrow at LSU too. Fitz can play IMO if a play is a run, or a play is a pass. He had too many options in his head presnap with the RPO IMO. I believe Fitz played better with Aeris in the lineup cause he had more confidence in not getting killed so if the RB blocks then Fitz feels better back there. And I believe he would've had a higher confidence level in his WRs too, cause LSU's are better.

Fitz doesn't suck as bad as folks think in the right circumstances. I do believe he was selfish in a few games in 2nd half of schedule tho.

[ShotgunDawg]

Thank you.. exactly what I’m saying minus the ****.
And with Ealy I still think if he goes to college to play both baseball and football he comes here over Clemson.

What about just football?

[NCDawg]

Thank you.. exactly what I’m saying minus the ****.
And with Ealy I still think if he goes to college to play both baseball and football he comes here over Clemson.

You've stated this before and I hope you are correct. He's probably the top RB in the nation in my opinion, or pretty close to it.

[CadaverDawg]

Yes we get it. Go back in hiding, come out for baseball.

Good one.

[CadaverDawg]

He's so bitter right now, he's grasping for straws. LOL

Obsess much?

Bitter about what? I'm just realistic.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I'll just say this because most people's mind is already made up on this class, JoeMo, etc. Just wait & save all your rage & disappointment for Feb. 6th. You may find out you wasted some of your anger for nothing. If it goes south & we lose everybody & sign nobody of impact feel free to bash him. Just a thought.

[Ari Gold]

What about just football?

He isn’t going to college to just play football.. kid is a 1st round baseball talent ..

[msstate7]

He isn’t going to college to just play football.. kid is a 1st round baseball talent ..

Seems more reason to play just football and pro baseball summers

[bulldawg28]

I think O wants more than he has in Burrow. And coming off his 2017 season, I think O would've loved to have Fitz. Now O wouldn't have developed him coming out of HS but yes ... I do think O would've taken him over Burrow in the 2018 preseason. And I think Fitz would've been better than Burrow at LSU too. Fitz can play IMO if a play is a run, or a play is a pass. He had too many options in his head presnap with the RPO IMO. I believe Fitz played better with Aeris in the lineup cause he had more confidence in not getting killed so if the RB blocks then Fitz feels better back there. And I believe he would've had a higher confidence level in his WRs too, cause LSU's are better.

Fitz doesn't suck as bad as folks think in the right circumstances. I do believe he was selfish in a few games in 2nd half of schedule tho.

Fitz is terrible but let's talk recruiting.

[Cooterpoot]

Seems more reason to play just football and pro baseball summers

No team is letting their 1st round pick play RB in college.

[msstate7]

No team is letting their 1st round pick play RB in college.

Then don't draft him 1st round. Ealy has the leverage

[Cooterpoot]

Then don't draft him 1st round. Ealy has the leverage

No, $5M+ has the leverage. He can push a little, but he's not giving up that money.

[Bodawg]

Thank you.. exactly what I?m saying minus the ****.
And with Ealy I still think if he goes to college to play both baseball and football he comes here over Clemson.

Finally the two voices of reason. It's difficult to come here with all these frantic and negative posts towards our coaches, players and recruits. Some just need to back away and let this play out.

[Commercecomet24]

No, $5M+ has the leverage. He can push a little, but he's not giving up that money.

Yeah this decision has been made for quite awhile now.

[Irondawg]

With Ealy and baseball is there really anything that can happen other than horrific injury that would push him out of the first round?

[Ari Gold]

Most of you are missing the big picture with Ealy... he Decommitted form OM .. and it’s between MLB , MSU and Clemson.. Just sit back and drink it in..

[BeardoMSU]

Most of you are missing the big picture with Ealy... he Decommitted form OM .. and it’s between MLB , MSU and Clemson.. Just sit back and drink it in..

This.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Most of you are missing the big picture with Ealy... he Decommitted form OM .. and it’s between MLB , MSU and Clemson.. Just sit back and drink it in..

^^^^ This ^^^^

[MetEdDawg]

West Virginia two year starter at center Matt Jones will be a graduate transfer and leave West Virginia.

I usually don't ask about random grad transfers because there are so many, but given the area this kid is from and the need at center with Jenkins going, does anyone think Moorhead might give that one a go?

[MetEdDawg]

And Charles Moore lists his new Top 3. We aren't even in it

[bluelightstar]

Long three years

[Ifyouonlyknew]

West Virginia two year starter at center Matt Jones will be a graduate transfer and leave West Virginia.

I usually don't ask about random grad transfers because there are so many, but given the area this kid is from and the need at center with Jenkins going, does anyone think Moorhead might give that one a go?

Darryl Williams is our center. I don't see us going after a Center.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

And Charles Moore lists his new Top 3. We aren't even in it

He told another reporter something different this morning. It's probably best not to take what he says to heart too much the next month.

[MetEdDawg]

He told another reporter something different this morning. It's probably best not to take what he says to heart too much the next month.

Good lord. This is horrendous. Don't get me wrong. Hope we end up with the kid. But this is case and point how not to do this.

[msbulldog]

I think Ari and IYOK said it's best, just to chill, I agree. Let's just support our Bulldog efforts and let the professionals do their job! Hail State!

[Doggie_Style]

Good lord. This is horrendous. Don't get me wrong. Hope we end up with the kid. But this is case and point how not to do this.

Sloppy Joe clearly hasn?t figured out how to work with recruits who have relatively minor off the field issues. This ain?t Fordham or even Penn State...we can?t afford to lose kids with Moore?s talent who grew up in the shadow of Davis Wade...

[MetEdDawg]

Sloppy Joe clearly hasn?t figured out how to work with recruits who have relatively minor off the field issues. This ain?t Fordham or even Penn State...we can?t afford to lose kids with Moore?s talent who grew up in the shadow of Davis Wade...

This is a really poor take

[KOdawg1]

And Charles Moore lists his new Top 3. We aren't even in it

I read that article. He was literally all over the place with his comments. Compared Auburn to an Ivy league school. I'm sorry, what?

I want us to get Charles because he's a special talent in our back yard, but something else is going on with this kid. It's like he thinks the world is out to get him.

[RezDog7]

Sloppy Joe clearly hasn?t figured out how to work with recruits who have relatively minor off the field issues. This ain?t Fordham or even Penn State...we can?t afford to lose kids with Moore?s talent who grew up in the shadow of Davis Wade...

Can we purge some of the terrible, defeatist, cynical posters off this board?

[Cooterpoot]

Can we purge some of the terrible, defeatist, cynical posters off this board?

Ignore Doggie. He’s just trolling.

[Doggie_Style]

Ignore Doggie. He?s just trolling.

Yep you guys are right...Moorhead is not only an offensive genius but an elite recruiter as well ***

[Bothrops]

I read that article. He was literally all over the place with his comments. Compared Auburn to an Ivy league school. I'm sorry, what?

I want us to get Charles because he's a special talent in our back yard, but something else is going on with this kid. It's like he thinks the world is out to get him.

This is like being in a long relationship with a girl that inexplicably dumps you all the sudden, only to later find out she's been seeing a guy behind your back that happens to make more money. Then, when you ask her for her reasoning, she tells you that he has more money, goodbye.

[Todd4State]

I read that article. He was literally all over the place with his comments. Compared Auburn to an Ivy league school. I'm sorry, what?

I want us to get Charles because he's a special talent in our back yard, but something else is going on with this kid. It's like he thinks the world is out to get him.

To be fair it sounds like an Ivy League school. The reality is much different.

[Todd4State]

Darryl Williams is our center. I don't see us going after a Center.

It wouldn't be a terrible idea to get Jones if he is a better center though. Would allow us to leave Williams at guard. That said I don't know how good Matt Jones is so emphasis on "if" from me.

[Todd4State]

Good lord. This is horrendous. Don't get me wrong. Hope we end up with the kid. But this is case and point how not to do this.

I feel kind of bad for him actually. It's pretty obvious to me that someone is trying to steer him in a direction that he probably doesn't really want to go. Hopefully our coaches and boosters will step in and do some damage control because from where I sit that's probably what it's going to take to resolve this where we get him to MSU.

I'll let the professionals handle this.

[KOdawg1]

At this point, keeping Pickering and James are more of a priority than getting Moore back. Would also love to get Plumlee and Mingo, but plumlee isn't saying much and Mingo is probably OM bound. Just keep the ones we have and avoid a major disaster.

[MetEdDawg]

I would think Collin Duncan is ours. So if we can add Duncan to Pickering, then get Walker, Cunningham, and Payton, that would be pretty strong and I think a reasonable close for us. Top 20. Add Plumlee to that and it's very strong. Add any of Mingo, Young, Moore, James, and that would be quite impressive.

[vv83]

Auburn just lost their bagman to GT

[Cary Hudson's little bro]

Auburn just lost their bagman to GT

This is true. Patrick Suddes.

https://auburn.247sports.com/Article/Source-Gus-Malzahns-right-hand-man-Patrick-Suddes-leaves-for-Georgia-Tech-127577817/

[Homedawg]

I would think Collin Duncan is ours. So if we can add Duncan to Pickering, then get Walker, Cunningham, and Payton, that would be pretty strong and I think a reasonable close for us. Top 20. Add Plumlee to that and it's very strong. Add any of Mingo, Young, Moore, James, and that would be quite impressive.

Keeping what we have- losing Emerson- and getting Duncan isn't going to get us in the top 25 much less top 20.

[MetEdDawg]

Keeping what we have- losing Emerson- and getting Duncan isn't going to get us in the top 25 much less top 20.

Well Duncan is rated higher than Emerson. And folks behind us are going to lose commits and have to scramble and folks ahead of us will too. Additionally, we will have commits that get boosts here soon. One of those being Cross. So with all of that taken into consideration, I would have to almost guarantee that keeping everyone we have now except swapping Duncan for Emerson would land us Top 25., especially considering we are sitting at 23 right now after having lost Moore.

[Homedawg]

I would think Collin Duncan is ours. So if we can add Duncan to Pickering, then get Walker, Cunningham, and Payton, that would be pretty strong and I think a reasonable close for us. Top 20. Add Plumlee to that and it's very strong. Add any of Mingo, Young, Moore, James, and that would be quite impressive.

Duplicate

[Homedawg]

Well Duncan is rated higher than Emerson. And folks behind us are going to lose commits and have to scramble and folks ahead of us will too. Additionally, we will have commits that get boosts here soon. One of those being Cross. So with all of that taken into consideration, I would have to almost guarantee that keeping everyone we have now except swapping Duncan for Emerson would land us Top 25., especially considering we are sitting at 23 right now after having lost Moore.

Ok.... I hope we don't get to find out.

[MetEdDawg]

Ok.... I hope we don't get to find out.

I have to think that outside of James and Emerson our commits are pretty safe as of right now.

Add in Duncan, add in Plumlee, and that's pretty decent. Find a way to get Moore back in the fold and get Mingo, Young, or maybe another current commit to flip and we will be very good. It's going to be stressful at the end but I believe in the process.

A lot of folks are disappointed right now but if everything ended today we would be Top 25. That very rarely happens to us.

[msstate7]

I have to think that outside of James and Emerson our commits are pretty safe as of right now.

Add in Duncan, add in Plumlee, and that's pretty decent. Find a way to get Moore back in the fold and get Mingo, Young, or maybe another current commit to flip and we will be very good. It's going to be stressful at the end but I believe in the process.

A lot of folks are disappointed right now but if everything ended today we would be Top 25. That very rarely happens to us.

Ehhh... I don't know. Mullen's 8 classes (threw out first and last) avg'd out at 28. He was in top 25 4 of the 8. This crop of talent in Mississippi this year is far superior to any of those 8 years. Also keep in mind 3 of the last 4 of those classes were at the absolute height of OM cheating. Moorhead hasn't had to deal with that, yet

[KOdawg1]

I have to think that outside of James and Emerson our commits are pretty safe as of right now.

Add in Duncan, add in Plumlee, and that's pretty decent. Find a way to get Moore back in the fold and get Mingo, Young, or maybe another current commit to flip and we will be very good. It's going to be stressful at the end but I believe in the process.

A lot of folks are disappointed right now but if everything ended today we would be Top 25. That very rarely happens to us.

We're not going to get Mingo or Young.

[MetEdDawg]

Ehhh... I don't know. Mullen's 8 classes (threw out first and last) avg'd out at 28. He was in top 25 4 of the 8. This crop of talent in Mississippi this year is far superior to any of those 8 years. Also keep in mind 3 of the last 4 of those classes were at the absolute height of OM cheating. Moorhead hasn't had to deal with that, yet

I meant that we are disappointed that we are sitting at 23rd right now. That usually never happens to us. So I get what you are saying about OM and the more talent, but we are also seeing a lot of kids being pursued hardcore by big time programs. That usually doesn't happen. I mean Raydarious is listed on 24/7 as the 16th best prospect in MS. And he's going to LSU. How many times has LSU gone after a kid that far down the list? A stacked state means more intrusion and competition from programs that are historically better than us.

[msstate7]

I meant that we are disappointed that we are sitting at 23rd right now. That usually never happens to us. So I get what you are saying about OM and the more talent, but we are also seeing a lot of kids being pursued hardcore by big time programs. That usually doesn't happen. I mean Raydarious is listed on 24/7 as the 16th best prospect in MS. And he's going to LSU. How many times has LSU gone after a kid that far down the list? A stacked state means more intrusion and competition from programs that are historically better than us.

The thing is that if we ever wanna compete on the big stage we have to protect our home turf. We didn't do that no matter the reason

[HoopsDawg]

Hurts in the protocol. Just a matter of time.

[msstate7]

Hurts in the protocol. Just a matter of time.

Hoops, I really hate to shake you in the middle of your dreams of hurts to state. It ain't happening, bro

[bulldawg28]

Hurts in the protocol. Just a matter of time.

Protocol what? I'm not convinced he'd tuck and run less than Fitz would.

[CadaverDawg]

Ole Miss has more money to pony up now that Ealy is out....Id be shocked if we got Mingo now. Don't think we had much chance anyway

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Hurts in the protocol. Just a matter of time.

Don't even start....

[Cary Hudson's little bro]

We're not going to get Mingo or Young.

You have no idea if that is true or not.

[Cary Hudson's little bro]

Steve said Dylan Lawrence is McKinley Jackson's cousin or some other close relation. Lawrence says we are his "dream school"

[KOdawg1]

You have no idea if that is true or not.
Haha okay. Come see me on Feb 6th

[ShotgunDawg]

Haha okay. Come see me on Feb 6th

I realize you may have inside information but don't overplay it.

Let us know what you think AFTER their visits.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Steve said Dylan Lawrence is McKinley Jackson's cousin or some other close relation. Lawrence says we are his "dream school"

Pass

[KOdawg1]

I realize you may have inside information but don't overplay it.

Let us know what you think AFTER their visits.
I want them both, and I'll gladly eat crow, but don't get your hopes up

[Scared_Hitless]

Pass

Is he that unimpressive I dont see any offers on his page, but is there nothing to work with on his frame?

[Gutter Cobreh]

The thing is that if we ever wanna compete on the big stage we have to protect our home turf. We didn't do that no matter the reason

Wouldn't this theory also apply to UGA, since they let Lawrence out of their backyard in favor of Fields (who was also in their yard)?

Should they have simply convinced both that they needed to come to UGA to "protect their home turf"?

It's easy to keep spewing this narrative you've created, but MetEdDawg explained that with higher rated kids - more schools are going to come calling. How would you propose the coaches lock up all the talent in the state?

[msstate7]

Wouldn't this theory also apply to UGA, since they let Lawrence out of their backyard in favor of Fields (who was also in their yard)?

Should they have simply convinced both that they needed to come to UGA to "protect their home turf"?

It's easy to keep spewing this narrative you've created, but MetEdDawg explained that with higher rated kids - more schools are going to come calling. How would you propose the coaches lock up all the talent in the state?

You talking about the school that's signed a 96 or higher rated player the last 3 classes from the following states: MS, AL, TX, FL, NC, TN, IL, NY, and PA? That Georgia? Nah, brah... you serious?

ETA... for reference, we have signed 6 and have 1 commit rated 96 or higher the last decade. All of the them are from Mississippi. Georgia in the past 3 years has signed (committed) 12 96 or higher rated players from 9 states outside Georgia.

[Bothrops]

We're not going to get Mingo or Young.

I agree.

[ShotgunDawg]

I agree.

If so, it's just one step closer Moorhead is to getting fired and one more failure

[msstate7]

If so, it's just one step closer Moorhead is to getting fired and one more failure

I can see mingo being hesitant to sign here. Young though I don't get... we develop dlinemen quite well and we have a potential spot open for him to start. I also understand Bama is even better at putting dlinemen in the nfl, but the depth chart will be much harder to navigate.

[KOdawg1]

I can see mingo being hesitant to sign here. Young though I don't get... we develop dlinemen quite well and we have a potential spot open for him to start. I also understand Bama is even better at putting dlinemen in the nfl, but the depth chart will be much harder to navigate.

Most say Young is just hell bent on leaving the state. Hopefully Joe can change his mind

[Scared_Hitless]

Texas has a QB transfer though I believe he is not a grad transfer. We made some calls apparently about him

[Homedawg]

I can see mingo being hesitant to sign here. Young though I don't get... we develop dlinemen quite well and we have a potential spot open for him to start. I also understand Bama is even better at putting dlinemen in the nfl, but the depth chart will be much harder to navigate.

Look at it this way, Davis just went to bama and played for 3 national championships. He has a ring and is going to the nfl. Had he come here he would have played on the number on ranked defense that went 8-5 and he's still be going to the nfl. None of these guys think they are the ones who are going to fail. Crucify me, but part of me says i can't blame em. And the fact is, if they are going to the league they will get there from here or bama.

[vv83]

Look at it this way, Davis just went to bama and played for 3 national championships. He has a ring and is going to the nfl. Had he come here he would have played on the number on ranked defense that went 8-5 and he's still be going to the nfl. None of these guys think they are the ones who are going to fail. Crucify me, but part of me says i can't blame em. And the fact is, if they are going to the league they will get there from here or bama.

Disagree. Someone like Knott or Lashley is looking like they don’t have a shot for the NFL because they’ll never play. Say one of them is a theoretical 6th round pick... at Bama they’d never see the field where at state they’d most likely start

[Homedawg]

Disagree. Someone like Knott or Lashley is looking like they don’t have a shot for the NFL because they’ll never play. Say one of them is a theoretical 6th round pick... at Bama they’d never see the field where at state they’d most likely start

Bama is good. But they don't have nfl draft picks on the bench. - not forever. Yes they have younger guys on the bench that end up in the nfl after they get their shot. Lashley and Knott aren't elite. If they were they'd play. Doesn't mean they wouldn't play here. But they wouldn't be stars. If they were stars here, trust me bama would play em. But They do practice at bama And aren't good enough. But feel free to disagree

[Cooterpoot]

Disagree. Someone like Knott or Lashley is looking like they don?t have a shot for the NFL because they?ll never play. Say one of them is a theoretical 6th round pick... at Bama they?d never see the field where at state they?d most likely start

Neither would be doing crap for us either.

[Bothrops]

Neither would be doing crap for us either.

Knott would've likely broken his leg here, and his arm too.

[BuckyIsAB****]

And Charles Moore lists his new Top 3. We aren't even in it

He is either being a teenager and overreacting or something big happened between him or someone in his camp and someone on our staff.

[BuckyIsAB****]

At this point, keeping Pickering and James are more of a priority than getting Moore back. Would also love to get Plumlee and Mingo, but plumlee isn't saying much and Mingo is probably OM bound. Just keep the ones we have and avoid a major disaster.

Mingo is 50 50 right now. We have the momentum

[BuckyIsAB****]

Ole Miss has more money to pony up now that Ealy is out....Id be shocked if we got Mingo now. Don't think we had much chance anyway

Im not trying to hate on you and I understand this train of thought somewhat but, I just wish if people didnt know the situation or the kid then dont say stuff like this.

I know its a message board but money isnt going to have much effect on him. He is all business. He wants to win and be in an offense that can show his talents off. Rich Rod aint doing that and he knows it. We are 100 percent in the game

[Cary Hudson's little bro]

Tell me more about Mingo being 50/50 - who is other competition for him besides MSU/Ole Miss?

[Ari Gold]

Saban and Bama don’t appeal to every player and their parents (Mother’s). Just ask Mrs. Dean

[StateDawg44]

Tell me more about Mingo being 50/50 - who is other competition for him besides MSU/Ole Miss?

Uhhhhhhh.....If he is 50/50 and MSU and OM are the two names you listed that he is 50/50 on, I think you answered your own question.

No one said he is 60% MSU, 40%OM, and 10% ???.

[sscjr1]

Uhhhhhhh.....If he is 50/50 and MSU and OM are the two names you listed that he is 50/50 on, I think you answered your own question.

No one said he is 60% MSU, 40%OM, and 10% ???.

That would still be over 100%

[Cary Hudson's little bro]

Uhhhhhhh.....If he is 50/50 and MSU and OM are the two names you listed that he is 50/50 on, I think you answered your own question.

No one said he is 60% MSU, 40%OM, and 10% ???.

OP poorly worded by me...

I guess I meant is he 50/50 with MSU and Ole Miss or MSU and (other team)?

Someone said bc of RichRod that Mingo is gone...removing Ole Miss from the 50/50 talk

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Plumlee the lone OV this weekend.

[hacker]

Plumlee the lone OV this weekend.

Mingo cancelled?

ETA: NM, I see that Plumlee moved his OV up. Mingo is next weekend.

[Scared_Hitless]

Better roll out the red carpet if he is the only guy on campus.

[StateDawg44]

That would still be over 100%


Touche

Haha.. dammit. That's what I get for being a smartass.

[sscjr1]

Touche

Haha.. dammit. That's what I get for being a smartass.

;)

[sscjr1]

Plumlee the lone OV this weekend.

What are your feelings on him?

[Cooterpoot]

Plumlee and Mingo both get the priority treatment now.

[msstate7]

Do we have some guys visiting other than the few names tossed around here? Seems there would be more names popping up just in case

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Do we have some guys visiting other than the few names tossed around here? Seems there would be more names popping up just in case

We really only have 4-5 spots left. They feel good about signing Pickering, Walker, Payton, Cunningham, Washington, & James. That gives us 20. We'll see on Emerson but if he goes back to Miami for a visit well the writing is on the wall. Then you have Plumlee, Moore, Mingo, Young, Ealy, Lockhart, Jones, & Duncan that we know about. I'm sure there are 4-5 other guys we have in our back pocket if need be.

[Commercecomet24]

We really only have 4-5 spots left. They feel good about signing Pickering, Walker, Payton, Cunningham, Washington, & James. That gives us 20. We'll see on Emerson but if he goes back to Miami for a visit well the writing is on the wall. Then you have Plumlee, Moore, Mingo, Young, Ealy, Lockhart, Jones, & Duncan that we know about. I'm sure there are 4-5 other guys we have in our back pocket if need be.

I believe we will close strong and have a very talented class coming in.

[MetEdDawg]

Raekwon Davis is returning to Bama. Does anything think that could potentially have an impact on Young given Bama has about 8-9 DL coming in this class plus they will be keeping Raekwon another year?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Raekwon Davis is returning to Bama. Does anything think that could potentially have an impact on Young given Bama has about 8-9 DL coming in this class plus they will be keeping Raekwon another year?

It can't hurt.

[Commercecomet24]

Raekwon Davis is returning to Bama. Does anything think that could potentially have an impact on Young given Bama has about 8-9 DL coming in this class plus they will be keeping Raekwon another year?

Yes, Byron is looking hard at their roster and depth chart.

[msstate7]

So is it Bama or us for young? Why didn't he sign in December?

[Scared_Hitless]

So Moore is officially out of the boat it appears. Sucks to be the school to stand by through the injury to get dumped at the alter.

[msu15]

So Moore is officially out of the boat it appears. Sucks to be the school to stand by through the injury to get dumped at the alter.

Na