2019 Recruiting Thread

[Homedawg]

Naw, best in the country? He's not that good.

Yeah that's a tad bit of hyperbole. Good player but not the best in the neighborhood

[NCDawg]

Yeah that's a tad bit of hyperbole. Good player but not the best in the neighborhood

You guys could be right but he was voted one of two MVP's in the Under Armour All America game.

[Bothrops]

Worlds collide when a recruiting service has to bump one of our players to an elite rating. They hate that shit.

[MetEdDawg]

Worlds collide when a recruiting service has to bump one of our players to an elite rating. They hate that shit.

This is why ultimately I don't see 24/7 changing their ranking of Cross. Their composite has to change because Rivals bumped him up. But 24/7 isn't going to make Cross a 5 star. But if he was uncommitted he would be a Top 30 player. He's one of the best tackles in the country and he's proven that during all star game stuff.

[Lord McBuckethead]

You guys could be right but he was voted one of two MVP's in the Under Armour All America game.

I would say that one of the two MVPs of that game against that competition, probably qualifies him as elite. I am sure they wouldn't give that to a guy that got destroyed all week in practice.

[msstate7]

Judging or jumping/dropping someone on just an all star game can be tricky. Trevor Lawrence was awful in the Army all star game last year

[Goldendawg]

Anyone got any info on our remaining commits or targets?

[Bdawg]

Anyone got any info on our remaining commits or targets?

Was hoping to hear some good news from somebody on Moore this evening

[ejdallas322]

Will Tosh Lupoi leaving Bama effect the decision of Young?

[Cooterpoot]

Nope

[Homedawg]

I would say that one of the two MVPs of that game against that competition, probably qualifies him as elite. I am sure they wouldn't give that to a guy that got destroyed all week in practice.

Nobody said once he wasn't a good player, or great. But best in the country was the comment and that's a big stretch. There are lots of A-A games. He won an mvp and I hope we get him. But he's not the best in the country.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Nobody said once he wasn't a good player, or great. But best in the country was the comment and that's a big stretch. There are lots of A-A games. He won an mvp and I hope we get him. But he's not the best in the country.

I think Emery is the best.

[NCDawg]

Nobody said once he wasn't a good player, or great. But best in the country was the comment and that's a big stretch. There are lots of A-A games. He won an mvp and I hope we get him. But he's not the best in the country.

It sounds as if you have seen somebody better, but I haven't. I would like to know the name of the guy you think is better, or perhaps you just think that there has to be somebody better than Ealy somewhere.

[msstate7]

I think Emery is the best.

Great. Lsu offense was missing a feature back this year... guess that won't be the case next year

[Homedawg]

It sounds as if you have seen somebody better, but I haven't. I would like to know the name of the guy you think is better, or perhaps you just think that there has to be somebody better than Ealy somewhere.

I haven't watched 1/100rh of the backs on tape out there so it would be unfair to say who is the best. But emery is better. At least from what I've seen. Again. No knock on EAly at all. Good player. I'd love to have him

[Doggie_Style]

I think Emery is the best.

Emery is the next Barkley....LSU is back

[msstate7]

Emery is the next Barkley....LSU is back

Not with burrow at qb. They have to find a qb to beat Bama.

[NCDawg]

Emery is the next Barkley....LSU is back

Disagree. If I had the choice of Emery or Ealy, I'd take Ealy.

[Cooterpoot]

Disagree. If I had the choice of Emery or Ealy, I'd take Ealy.

Ealy isn’t even anyone’s top RB that’s recruited him but State and OM. He wasn’t Clemson’s too choice. Not AL’s. All star games are more hype that substance. He’s good but he’s not even the best. He’s not the biggest or fastest either. But, I’d love to see him playing at State and proving me wrong.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Best is tough, when talking about best as an absolute. Point being, the dude is good.

Again, if Moorhead wants him, I want him.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

How is a DT a position where starts are required? Every position has newcomers. The DL actually is one of the easiest to transition to.

It's not. I never said it, or any position, is a position where starts are required. I said we would have a starter who has never taken a snap period (excluding redshirt snaps). And it might be the only position where that has to happen. To my knowledge, one of the two DT positions (based on the most recent depth chart) is the only position on the entire roster where nobody on the depth chart at that spot has ever taken a single snap (excluding redshirt snaps).

[BeardoMSU]

It's not. I never said it, or.....

********

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vRysBZk6iQ

[bulldawg28]

Emery is the next Barkley....LSU is back

Back to handing the ball off 50 times is about it. LSU's not winning the conference because of him. They couldn't win it with Fornette running the ball. Emery definitely isn't putting them over the top. He's simplify their offense.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Disagree. If I had the choice of Emery or Ealy, I'd take Ealy.

of course you would, because we missed on Emery. Whatever makes you feel better.

[BhamDawg205]

Kentucky offers JUCO wide receiver JaVonta Payton
https://www.aseaofblue.com/2019/1/17/18186164/kentucky-football-mississippi-state-bulldogs-commit-javonta-payton-recruit

[Pit Bull]

247sports readjusted their ratings so that Charles Moore is now #3 in the state. He's ranked higher than Pickering which is completely laughable. Charles Cross, who many thought would be a 5 star, didn't move much. It's all about who you're committed to with these rankings.

Moore ahead of Pick is not laughable as Moore was actually once a 5 Star Player by 247 Sports for quite a while. I dont think Pick was ever a 5 Star anywhere. Now, why Moore dropped down to a 4 star....I dont know why (maybe injury?). Moore played in a bigger division I think also. Regardless, they are both outstanding players and I hate it we lost either of them.

[Cary Hudson's little bro]

Charles Moore was dropped to 4* right after his injury. Glad JoeMo is going to see him Sunday bc you never give up on talent. I would love to have him in the DL room

[Bdawg]

Charles Moore was dropped to 4* right after his injury. Glad JoeMo is going to see him Sunday bc you never give up on talent. I would love to have him in the DL room

Thought he had an in-home last night. Sunday now?

[Rayburn8]

Moore ahead of Pick is not laughable as Moore was actually once a 5 Star Player by 247 Sports for quite a while. I dont think Pick was ever a 5 Star anywhere. Now, why Moore dropped down to a 4 star....I dont know why (maybe injury?). Moore played in a bigger division I think also. Regardless, they are both outstanding players and I hate it we lost either of them.

People who say Moore was a 5 star miss understand how composite ratings work.

Moore was a 4-star on every single service and has only been a 4-star on every service, but his composite rating was a 5-star because his composite rank was like 31 and the composite assigns stars based off the rankings.

Look at the reddit thread from him committing to us. They talk about it.

[CadaverDawg]

I don't like the smell of Ole Miss possibly getting DJ James, Duncan, Young, and Moore in for a visit. They're desperate and will do or pay whatever it takes for a flip or two. The timing of all these guys mentioning OM has that old Hugh Freeze stinch

[Cooterpoot]

Moore ahead of Pick is not laughable as Moore was actually once a 5 Star Player by 247 Sports for quite a while. I dont think Pick was ever a 5 Star anywhere. Now, why Moore dropped down to a 4 star....I dont know why (maybe injury?). Moore played in a bigger division I think also. Regardless, they are both outstanding players and I hate it we lost either of them.

Oh, it's laughable. Pickering is the best prospect in MS. And yes, I've seen them both. Young is better too. I'd put Ealy, and Cross ahead of him. I'm not as big on Dean as some, but he and Dean would probably next in line IMO. Pickering dominated at just about every camp and all star event he was in.

[Commercecomet24]

Oh, it's laughable. Pickering is the best prospect in MS. And yes, I've seen them both. Young is better too. I'd put Ealy, and Cross ahead of him. I'm not as big on Dean as some, but he and Dean would probably next in line IMO. Pickering dominated at just about every camp and all star event he was in.

This is the 100% truth.

[KOdawg1]

Moore ahead of Pick is not laughable as Moore was actually once a 5 Star Player by 247 Sports for quite a while. I dont think Pick was ever a 5 Star anywhere. Now, why Moore dropped down to a 4 star....I dont know why (maybe injury?). Moore played in a bigger division I think also. Regardless, they are both outstanding players and I hate it we lost either of them.
It's laughable. Pickering is better than Moore.

[BeardoMSU]

I don't like the smell of Ole Miss possibly getting DJ James, Duncan, Young, and Moore in for a visit. They're desperate and will do or pay whatever it takes for a flip or two. The timing of all these guys mentioning OM has that old Hugh Freeze stinch

That definitely doesn't encourage the warm and fuzzies...

[CadaverDawg]

Moore ahead of Pick is not laughable as Moore was actually once a 5 Star Player by 247 Sports for quite a while. I dont think Pick was ever a 5 Star anywhere. Now, why Moore dropped down to a 4 star....I dont know why (maybe injury?). Moore played in a bigger division I think also. Regardless, they are both outstanding players and I hate it we lost either of them.

I disagree. It's laughable.

[msstate7]

Aren't recruiting rankings a projection of how good a player can be rather than what they are now? Haven't seen any of these guys play, and I'm not saying the rankings are correct or wrong.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I don't like the smell of Ole Miss possibly getting DJ James, Duncan, Young, and Moore in for a visit. They're desperate and will do or pay whatever it takes for a flip or two. The timing of all these guys mentioning OM has that old Hugh Freeze stinch

They're not a factor for any of them.

[Homedawg]

They're not a factor for any of them.

While I agree with you on this, from everything i've heard as well. BUT, once upon a time CJ Johnson had his lanyard ripped off in Vaught-Hemingway. I know this is different, but I don't trust any situation involving recruits and that University.

[msu15]

Moore ahead of Pick is not laughable as Moore was actually once a 5 Star Player by 247 Sports for quite a while. I dont think Pick was ever a 5 Star anywhere. Now, why Moore dropped down to a 4 star....I dont know why (maybe injury?). Moore played in a bigger division I think also. Regardless, they are both outstanding players and I hate it we lost either of them.

Wrong

[Ifyouonlyknew]

While I agree with you on this, from everything i've heard as well. BUT, once upon a time CJ Johnson had his lanyard ripped off in Vaught-Hemingway. I know this is different, but I don't trust any situation involving recruits and that University.

Oh I know where you're coming from but this OM recruiting isn't that OM recruiting. Their hands are tied a lot more.

[1bigdawg]

[Ole Miss is] not a factor for any of them.

They were not a factor with Derick Hall either, but he went up there and they bad mouthed us the whole time knowing they were not getting him. Auburn was in the hunt and leading most of the way and it may not have made any difference. It is impossible to know. That is how they play in Oxford when they know they are not getting someone.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

They were not a factor with Derick Hall either, but he went up there and they bad mouthed us the whole time knowing they were not getting him. Auburn was in the hunt and leading most of the way and it may not have made any difference. It is impossible to know. That is how they play in Oxford when they know they are not getting someone.

OM wasn't who muddied the waters with Derick. Auburn was.

[NCDawg]

of course you would, because we missed on Emery. Whatever makes you feel better.

My "feelings" doesn't have anything to do with it. I would say there's probably a 80% chance we'll lose on Ealy, too.

[Doggie_Style]

Back to handing the ball off 50 times is about it. LSU's not winning the conference because of him. They couldn't win it with Fornette running the ball. Emery definitely isn't putting them over the top. He's simplify their offense.

I disagree...Burrow is a serviceable QB who will be better next year. LSU has elite WR's and now an elite RB. They have been recruiting lights out and I believe they will contend for the west next season.

[MetEdDawg]

My "feelings" doesn't have anything to do with it. I would say there's probably a 80% chance we'll lose on Ealy, too.

In order to lose something, you first must have it. We've NEVER had Ealy during this process.

[NCDawg]

In order to lose something, you first must have it. We've NEVER had Ealy during this process.

Never said we did. The discussion was about who was better-Emery or Ealy.

[Cooterpoot]

I disagree...Burrow is a serviceable QB who will be better next year. LSU has elite WR's and now an elite RB. They have been recruiting lights out and I believe they will contend for the west next season.

Agree on Burrow, but their WRs haven't been elite. They aren't touching Bama next year though. Bama only returns pretty much their entire team.

[MetEdDawg]

Never said we did. The discussion was about who was better-Emery or Ealy.

Your quote says "There's about an 80% chance we'll lose on Ealy, too".

To me the word lose is used entirely too often in recruiting which then incites craziness and perceptions of things being worse than they are. Every year we lose on hundreds of recruits. Did that actually mean we lost them? No it didn't.

[Ari Gold]

They were not a factor with Derick Hall either, but he went up there and they bad mouthed us the whole time knowing they were not getting him. Auburn was in the hunt and leading most of the way and it may not have made any difference. It is impossible to know. That is how they play in Oxford when they know they are not getting someone.

Recruiting handled the right way - Nakobe Dean and his family
Recruiting handed the wrong way - Derick Hall and his family

That’s the difference.

[NCDawg]

Your quote says "There's about an 80% chance we'll lose on Ealy, too".

To me the word lose is used entirely too often in recruiting which then incites craziness and perceptions of things being worse than they are. Every year we lose on hundreds of recruits. Did that actually mean we lost them? No it didn't.

That's your interpretation-not mine. You chimed in with a post which had nothing to do with the substance of the disagreement between me and the previous poster.

[Cooterpoot]

My "feelings" doesn't have anything to do with it. I would say there's probably a 80% chance we'll lose on Ealy, too.

You do realize everybody is going to lose on Ealy right? He's playing baseball. And right now, I'd say it's 50/50 we sign him.

[MetEdDawg]

That's your interpretation-not mine. You chimed in with a post which had nothing to do with the substance of the disagreement between me and the previous poster.

Sounds great. But every word you just was a waste. All I did was comment on your post. You said there's an 80% chance we lose Ealy. I can jump in on whatever the hell topic I want whenever the hell I want to. Welcome to a message board.

[NCDawg]

You do realize everybody is going to lose on Ealy right? He's playing baseball. And right now, I'd say it's 50/50 we sign him.

Yes, I realize that, and I'll drop the subject. I think Ari Gold has more inside knowledge as to what's going on with him than most of us do.

[Bdawg]

No one answered my question on Moore. Was his in-home last night or Sunday like someone said?

[CadaverDawg]

No one answered my question on Moore. Was his in-home last night or Sunday like someone said?

Moved to Sunday

[Scared_Hitless]

Recruiting handled the right way - Nakobe Dean and his family
Recruiting handed the wrong way - Derick Hall and his family

That’s the difference.

But Ari Yancy told me it was shady** I mean hell they camped at his house for two days of course it took bags of cash to lure him away from those crazies**

[sandwolf]

To me the word lose is used entirely too often in recruiting....

That's because you're a sunshine pumper.....

[KOdawg1]

Pickering won't OV MSU, according to Yancy (yes, I know he's full of shit 95% of the time). But he says Pickering has been on MSU's campus so much, that he doesn't feel the need to OV.

He does go on to say that he feels Pickering is MSU bound anyway, but the final 3 weekends, Pickering will OV LSU, Ole Miss, and Bama.

Not worried at all, I just find it interesting. Wish he would come help recruit Young, Mingo, Ealy, and others but I totally get him wanting to take all of his visits.

[Coursesuper]

Recruiting handled the right way - Nakobe Dean and his family
Recruiting handed the wrong way - Derick Hall and his family

That’s the difference.

We absolutely are not missing out on Hall. Camp specimen, not a football player.

[MetEdDawg]

That's because you're a sunshine pumper.....

I hope this is a joke because how anyone could say us not getting Ealy means we lost him just doesn't pay attention. Charles Moore? Different story. But at no point during Ealy's recruitment has he been committed, indicated he would commit, or been close to pulling the trigger on committing to us.

Would it suck to not get him? Maybe? He's not gonna play college football. But how did we lose him? Losing someone insinuates that our staff had him and no longer do. That makes us look worse than the truth of the situation.

[Doggie_Style]

Pickering won't OV MSU, according to Yancy (yes, I know he's full of shit 95% of the time). But he says Pickering has been on MSU's campus so much, that he doesn't feel the need to OV.

He does go on to say that he feels Pickering is MSU bound anyway, but the final 3 weekends, Pickering will OV LSU, Ole Miss, and Bama.

Not worried at all, I just find it interesting. Wish he would come help recruit Young, Mingo, Ealy, and others but I totally get him wanting to take all of his visits.

yes he is, Pickering WILL OV on the 25th

[msstate7]

Looking like only 3 of the top 10 247 composite players in miss will stay in state... 2 here and 1 at om. Yikes

[Commercecomet24]

Pickering won't OV MSU, according to Yancy (yes, I know he's full of shit 95% of the time). But he says Pickering has been on MSU's campus so much, that he doesn't feel the need to OV.

He does go on to say that he feels Pickering is MSU bound anyway, but the final 3 weekends, Pickering will OV LSU, Ole Miss, and Bama.

Not worried at all, I just find it interesting. Wish he would come help recruit Young, Mingo, Ealy, and others but I totally get him wanting to take all of his visits.

Nathan talks to everyone of them everyday. He's especially been on Byron hard forever. Nathan is a leader and just a great kid. He also likes to enjoy himself per the other recruiting visits. Pickering is the prototype MSU Bulldog.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Looking like only 3 of the top 10 247 composite players in miss will stay in state... 2 here and 1 at om. Yikes

We'll see what the final # is on Signing Day.

[Bothrops]

Looking like only 3 of the top 10 247 composite players in miss will stay in state... 2 here and 1 at om. Yikes

All those out of state schools are Ivy League..

[BuckyIsAB****]

You do realize everybody is going to lose on Ealy right? He's playing baseball. And right now, I'd say it's 50/50 we sign him.

Everything I have heard was Clemson but hey maybe. If he stays in state its with us I'll give you that but that aint saying a lot.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Mingo and Will Rogers visit this weekend, it is OV for Mingo but unofficial for Will bc he is 2020. We need to do well OM had 2 visits with him this week. Not saying he goes there but we need to lay our cards on the table

[Homedawg]

Mingo and Will Rogers visit this weekend, it is OV for Mingo but unofficial for Will bc he is 2020. We need to do well OM had 2 visits with him this week. Not saying he goes there but we need to lay our cards on the table

How?? They can't. And they aren't that stupid.

[Goldendawg]

BTW, as I asked on in post 6007 on page 301 of this thread: "Anyone got any news on our remaining commits or targets?" Please no 8th grade commits as 61 will take over thread.***** Hail state!

[Cooterpoot]

Everything I have heard was Clemson but hey maybe. If he stays in state its with us I'll give you that but that aint saying a lot.

Don’t believe everything you hear. He knows he’d have to sit at Clemson. He’ll be at State this weekend.

[msstate7]

Don’t believe everything you hear. He knows he’d have to sit at Clemson. He’ll be at State this weekend.

If mlb is his #1, I'd think his goal in signing would be which team gives him the most leverage toward his contract. Saying he'll play at Clemson is probably a better bargaining chip imo

[Cooterpoot]

If mlb is his #1, I'd think his goal in signing would be which team gives him the most leverage toward his contract. Saying he'll play at Clemson is probably a better bargaining chip imo

Not true when he’s got two RBs ahead of him on the depth charts. He’s not going to college to sit or get minimal touches.

[msstate7]

Not true when he’s got two RBs ahead of him on the depth charts. He’s not going to college to sit or get minimal touches.

You said he wasn't going to college, period

[Cooterpoot]

You said he wasn't going to college, period

He’s not. But Clemson doesn’t help his leverage. And he’s coming this weekend, the same as Jarrian and Mingo.

[msstate7]

He’s not. But Clemson doesn’t help his leverage. And he’s coming this weekend, the same as Jarrian and Mingo.

Maybe it does. Maybe it doesn't. Just seems to me when negotiating telling the mlb club he can just go to college and win a national championship playing football is a nice ace in the hole.

[Cooterpoot]

Maybe it does. Maybe it doesn't. Just seems to me when negotiating telling the mlb club he can just go to college and win a national championship playing football is a nice ace in the hole.

Not if they know the depth chart. He’s not going to go to college and give up millions to sit behind two good RBs. They know that. If he commits to Clemson, it’s just to say he committed to Clemson. But in the end, it really doesn’t matter.
I do think him coming in with JJ and Mingo says something though.

[msstate7]

Not if they know the depth chart. He’s not going to go to college and give up millions to sit behind two good RBs. They know that. If he commits to Clemson, it’s just to say he committed to Clemson. But in the end, it really doesn’t matter.
I do think him coming in with JJ and Mingo says something though.

I hope you're right. Mingo, young, and plumlee are my main targets though

[Jarius]

They were not a factor with Derick Hall either, but he went up there and they bad mouthed us the whole time knowing they were not getting him. Auburn was in the hunt and leading most of the way and it may not have made any difference. It is impossible to know. That is how they play in Oxford when they know they are not getting someone.

If Ole Miss had enough influence to make the kid not go to State, he would be at Ole Miss instead of Auburn.

[hacker]

Rosebowl CB'd Ealy to us this morning FWIW

[msstate7]

Rosebowl CB'd Ealy to us this morning FWIW

Will ealy influence mingo, young, or plumlee's decision?

[Lord McBuckethead]

Mingo and Will Rogers visit this weekend, it is OV for Mingo but unofficial for Will bc he is 2020. We need to do well OM had 2 visits with him this week. Not saying he goes there but we need to lay our cards on the table

Maybe someone with some knowledge can help me out here. What is the functional difference between an OV and a unofficial? I mean, can we literally do a sudo "official visit" with Will except he has to pay his own way to campus and none of the expenses are covered.

[Lance Harbor]

Clemson rotates 3 RBs and one of them is out of eligibility.


Not true when he?s got two RBs ahead of him on the depth charts. He?s not going to college to sit or get minimal touches.

[chef dixon]

What is the true backstory on Diwun Black? Looks like he is on track to enroll at Florida this summer

[BeardoMSU]

What is the true backstory on Diwun Black? Looks like he is on track to enroll at Florida this summer

Maybe Foamy-B can give us an update....he was certain Black wouldn't qualify during his screen-shot'd tirade months back....

[msstate7]

What is the true backstory on Diwun Black? Looks like he is on track to enroll at Florida this summer

Wow, and Florida isn't as easy to get into as us and OM. If this is true, we obviously got bad info

[Cooterpoot]

What is the true backstory on Diwun Black? Looks like he is on track to enroll at Florida this summer

Not happening.

[Really Clark?]

Clemson rotates 3 RBs and one of them is out of eligibility.

Etienne is a soph and had by far the most carries at 204 attempts last year. The 2nd most was the senior at 77 carries. You have a Junior who had 78 carries and a freshman with 62 carries. Rotating and truly getting split carries are 2 different things. He’s not taking away carries from Etienne and looking at best around 50 as the 4th back. Maybe 70 as the 3rd back. He won’t take carries from Etienne and Dixon

[Lance Harbor]

Which means Ealy would most likely get carries as a Frosh and a lot of carries a sophomore if Etienne leaves early.


Etienne is a soph and had by far the most carries at 204 attempts last year. The 2nd most was the senior at 77 carries. You have a Junior who had 78 carries and a freshman with 62 carries. Rotating and truly getting split carries are 2 different things. He’s not taking away carries from Etienne and looking at best around 50 as the 4th back. Maybe 70 as the 3rd back. He won’t take carries from Etienne and Dixon

[Cooterpoot]

Which means Ealy would most likely get carries as a Frosh and a lot of carries a sophomore if Etienne leaves early.

Again, he's not giving up baseball to get 5 carries a game. Even MLB knows that. He gets no extra benefit signing there.

[Commercecomet24]

Again, he's not giving up baseball to get 5 carries a game. Even MLB knows that.

Yeah if you know the family you know the mlb decision was made long ago.

[Ari Gold]

What is the true backstory on Diwun Black? Looks like he is on track to enroll at Florida this summer

He may not even make into junior college .

[chef dixon]

Not happening.

That's fair. I just saw an (obviously sunshine pumping) Florida article that said he was on track. But still I wonder why has he latched on to Florida? They have got to be doing something for him that has a chance

[Really Clark?]

Which means Ealy would most likely get carries as a Frosh and a lot of carries a sophomore if Etienne leaves early.

But not in a true 3 back rotation like you alluded too. If anything I see Dixon getting more carries and Ealy 3-5 a game. His spot would only be worse if he redshirts vs being 3rd or 4th back at Clemson

[msstate7]

Again, he's not giving up baseball to get 5 carries a game. Even MLB knows that. He gets no extra benefit signing there.

Your opinion. I think telling mlb that if I don't get the number I want I'll go eat Big Macs in the white white is better leverage than I'll go to win 8 games at state.

I think artificially propping up recruiting rankings with players that won't make it is dumb so I don't care about signing him

[Cooterpoot]

I want Ealy, but we're all piss'n in the wind here. Even if he signs, he's never showing up.

[msstate7]

I want Ealy, but we're all piss'n in the wind here. Even if he signs, he's never showing up.

Which is why I don't give a crap about signing him. Spend every second on young, mingo, plumlee, etc

[Lance Harbor]

Ah, the TRUE Rotation. My bad.***


But not in a true 3 back rotation like you alluded too. If anything I see Dixon getting more carries and Ealy 3-5 a game. His spot would only be worse if he redshirts vs being 3rd or 4th back at Clemson

[Really Clark?]

Your opinion. I think telling mlb that if I don't get the number I want I'll go eat Big Macs in the white white is better leverage than I'll go to win 8 games at state.

I think artificially propping up recruiting rankings with players that won't make it is dumb so I don't care about signing him

Just so much can happen with MLB teams and how they rate players throughout this spring. Top 10 in January may not be Top 20 in the draft. May not even be 1st round it happens. MLB is looking harder at college guys as well. Don’t think Ealy plays football but you definitely sign him.

[Really Clark?]

Ah, the TRUE Rotation. My bad.***


Your excused***

[Homedawg]

Just so much can happen with MLB teams and how they rate players throughout this spring. Top 10 in January may not be Top 20 in the draft. May not even be 1st round it happens. MLB is looking harder at college guys as well. Don’t think Ealy plays football but you definitely sign him.

This. All day.

[NCDawg]

Just so much can happen with MLB teams and how they rate players throughout this spring. Top 10 in January may not be Top 20 in the draft. May not even be 1st round it happens. MLB is looking harder at college guys as well. Don’t think Ealy plays football but you definitely sign him.

Absolutely, if you can.

[msstate7]

Who visits this weekend? Where are our big targets at this weekend?

[Turfdawg67]

Rosebowl CB'd Ealy to us this morning FWIW

This was just glossed over I guess. That's kinda big, eh?

[BuckyIsAB****]

How?? They can't. And they aren't that stupid.

What do you mean they cant? Who is they? They came and saw him at school and had an in home

[Ifyouonlyknew]

What do you mean they cant? Who is they? They came and saw him at school and had an in home

I think he means it has to be on the same day. You can't split it up on multiple days.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Will ealy influence mingo, young, or plumlee's decision?

Maybe. Him, Mingo, JDub and Rogers all work out together outside of school so they are pretty tight. He wont affect plumlee at all

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Who visits this weekend? Where are our big targets at this weekend?

Mingo OV & Jarrian Ealy jack Harris & Cunningham have all mentioned coming up this weekend.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Maybe someone with some knowledge can help me out here. What is the functional difference between an OV and a unofficial? I mean, can we literally do a sudo "official visit" with Will except he has to pay his own way to campus and none of the expenses are covered.

Not a lot of difference in them except with the NCAA. You can take as many unofficials as you want but it is on your own dime, officials the school takes care of you. Thats the way I understand it

[msstate7]

Mingo OV & Jarrian Ealy jack Harris & Cunningham have all mentioned coming up this weekend.

Thanks

[BuckyIsAB****]

Who visits this weekend? Where are our big targets at this weekend?

Mingo, Ealy, Harris, Jones and Will Rogers (2020) are coming up this weekend for sure. Jones and Rogers are there largely for Mingo

[Homedawg]

What do you mean they cant? Who is they? They came and saw him at school and had an in home

You said they- ole miss saw him twice. I assumed that meant two different days. Sorry if that's not what you meant. That's not legal one visit per week. And the talking to Jr is rule that gets violated a ton. But that's another story.

[BuckyIsAB****]

You said they- ole miss saw him twice. I assumed that meant two different days. Sorry if that's not what you meant. That's not legal one visit per week. And the talking to Jr is rule that gets violated a ton. But that's another story.

Nah they saw him at school and I guess had an in home that night. There are so many rules with the NCAA and recruiting a lot of them are just ridiculous anyway no way to enforce them.

Anyway, the stars are trying to line up for us to get him we just have to nail it this weekend and he may be in the boat. He is a game changer and maybe a program changer for Moorhead. If you sign him and get the transfer from Penn St you are making a statement of which direction you want to take your offense, a lot like OM did when they hired Rich Rod and signed the QB from TX

[Homedawg]

Nah they saw him at school and I guess had an in home that night. There are so many rules with the NCAA and recruiting a lot of them are just ridiculous anyway no way to enforce them.

Anyway, the stars are trying to line up for us to get him we just have to nail it this weekend and he may be in the boat. He is a game changer and maybe a program changer for Moorhead. If you sign him and get the transfer from Penn St you are making a statement of which direction you want to take your offense, a lot like OM did when they hired Rich Rod and signed the QB from TX

Gotcha. Should have known That's what you meant. The one visit rule is one that gets followed.......usually. Too many eyes to take a chance for anyone. Including the rebels

[vv83]

Any updates on this weekends OVs?

[Pit Bull]

No one answered my question on Moore. Was his in-home last night or Sunday like someone said?

Not sure, but all that I can currently gather is that Charles Moore will be a Florida vs Auburn battle. Not sure if we are even in it anymore. Maybe. We'll know in about a couple of weeks!

[Bdawg]

Not sure, but all that I can currently gather is that Charles Moore will be a Florida vs Auburn battle. Not sure if we are even in it anymore. Maybe. We'll know in about a couple of weeks!

Someone said it was moved to Sunday but if what your hearing is true, how does a guy who was committed to us forever just drop us like a bad habit and not give us a chance hear at the end. Hopefully tomorrow's visit clears things up

[Pit Bull]

Someone said it was moved to Sunday but if what your hearing is true, how does a guy who was committed to us forever just drop us like a bad habit and not give us a chance hear at the end. Hopefully tomorrow's visit clears things up

Maybe Moorhead will take Tony Hughes with him. Tony is one of the best in representing our state pride. If he could make Moore feel guilty about leaving his state, we might have a chance. I too wonder why he stay committed so long and then decommitted. Something significant must have happened to make him do that. Same thing sort of happened in Fabien Lovett's recruitment. Don Merlin made a strong in home visit at Olive Branch, then I think we had to rush in Brian Baker (who Fabien really liked and had a personal relationship with) to seal the deal. We almost lost him to Don Merlin, but luckily we held on and I expect Lovett to be in the key sub rotation along with Pickering and Russell. If we do lose Moore, that will hurt quite a bit in our D line depth.

[Jarius]

Someone said it was moved to Sunday but if what your hearing is true, how does a guy who was committed to us forever just drop us like a bad habit and not give us a chance hear at the end. Hopefully tomorrow's visit clears things up

The people on this board will flip their shit if you actually post why we were dropped by him, but if you think about the underbelly of college football, you should be able to piece it together. It’s not our coach’s fault, and I will leave it at that.

[CadaverDawg]

The people on this board will flip their shit if you actually post why we were dropped by him, but if you think about the underbelly of college football, you should be able to piece it together. It’s not our coach’s fault, and I will leave it at that.

Same reason we won't close with Mingo, Young, etc. We're cheap.

[Jarius]

Same reason we won't close with Mingo, Young, etc. We're cheap.

The reality of the situation is the NCAA is not going to do anything for us pulling prospects within our own state. It's when you go full on retard Ole Miss that their suspicions go up. We had a golden opportunity to get a program changing class and we are more than likely going to let it slip through our hands. I don't want to call anyone cheap, because it's not my money to give away......but yea, we aren't playing the game enough in our own State. We may pull Ealy, and that's because no other boosters are going to dish out money for a guy that's not going to make it to campus. It's quite embarrassing for Ole Miss to be as down as they are and for us to be the only legitimate option for a lot of these in state kids and see most go OOS.

[Bdawg]

Same reason we won't close with Mingo, Young, etc. We're cheap.

Ha ha. I hear ya. All the "big"'schools seem to get away with it. This was our year to get away with it on the in-state guys. They shouldn't raise any red flag if they came to state, if that kind of recruiting tactic is your thing.

[Bdawg]

The reality of the situation is the NCAA is not going to do anything for us pulling prospects within our own state. It's when you go full on retard Ole Miss that their suspicions go up. We had a golden opportunity to get a program changing class and we are more than likely going to let it slip through our hands. I don't want to call anyone cheap, because it's not my money to give away......but yea, we aren't playing the game enough in our own State. We may pull Ealy, and that's because no other boosters are going to dish out money for a guy that's not going to make it to campus. It's quite embarrassing for Ole Miss to be as down as they are and for us to be the only legitimate option for a lot of these in state kids and see most go OOS.

My thoughts exactly with in-state kids and ncaa. But it sucks when all the cash cow programs seem to swoop in with what recruit$ want and take them out of state and not pay a price.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I'll say this Mingo is saying all the right things. We'll have to wait til Signing day to see if it's just OV talk or he really mean it.

[Dawgology]

I'll say this Mingo is saying all the right things. We'll have to wait til Signing day to see if it's just OV talk or he really mean it.

But I’ve seen this replayed so many times at state. Heralded kid puts our hat on the table and seems to want to go here then puts on Ole Miss hat. Ole miss has losing season. Kid fades into obscurity due to poor coaching. Ole Miss fans chalk it up as a win. It’s almost laughable how many times I’ve seen this happen and yet these kids just keep doing it.

[Bdawg]

I'll say this Mingo is saying all the right things. We'll have to wait til Signing day to see if it's just OV talk or he really mean it.

Well it at least nice to be in the discussion with a nice WR.
Any news on the Penn State WR?

[Cooterpoot]

You guys that believe all these kids are bought, are insulting most of them, because they aren’t.

[KOdawg1]

It looks like we're in position to finish 2nd with a lot of guys (Mingo, Young, Ealy, maybe Plumlee). We really need to pull 2 of those 4. And while it would be nice if we got Ealy, it really doesn't matter because he's going pro anyway. So 2 out Mingo, young, and Plumlee. Get it done, Joe lol.

Also, I've given up on Moore. Not saying we should stop recruiting him, but he has enough baggage that I'm not sure it's worth it.

[Jarius]

You are extremely naive if you believe that the ones the sec schools are fighting each other for are not getting paid. A sport where millions are being donated to the school for Coaches and facilities because fans are so crazy that they want to win and you think the majority of These highly recruited guys are not getting paid? Also, I do not blame the kids one bit for taking it. The ones good enough to be offered the money deserve it.

[timotheus]

I'll say this Mingo is saying all the right things. We'll have to wait til Signing day to see if it's just OV talk or he really mean it.

Wouldn't a good WR be better suited to play in JoMo's system over RR's?

[timotheus]

It looks like we're in position to finish 2nd with a lot of guys (Mingo, Young, Ealy, maybe Plumlee). We really need to pull 2 of those 4. And while it would be nice if we got Ealy, it really doesn't matter because he's going pro anyway. So 2 out Mingo, young, and Plumlee. Get it done, Joe lol.

Also, I've given up on Moore. Not saying we should stop recruiting him, but he has enough baggage that I'm not sure it's worth it.

I know for a fact that Moore's wavering is $$ related but so was Lovett in last years class. somebody stepped up for Lovett and he signed with MSU over UT. Will somebody do the same so that Moore chooses MSU over Auburn?

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

You are extremely naive if you believe that the ones the sec schools are fighting each other for are not getting paid. A sport where millions are being donated to the school for Coaches and facilities because fans are so crazy that they want to win and you think the majority of These highly recruited guys are not getting paid? Also, I do not blame the kids one bit for taking it. The ones good enough to be offered the money deserve it.

I'm with you. These top HS players have earned this money in the same way Simmons has earned the money he's about to get, or Dak has earned the new contract he's about to get.


It's a business deal to these kids. They want to pick a school that will get them to the league so they can make money and take care of their family. Everyone of us is A-OK with that. But if boosters will pay you and mama while you're in school/being recruited, why not have that be a part of the financial equation as well as a pure "odds of making the league" view?

[ShotgunDawg]

Why did Tennessee stop recruiting Moore?

[Cooterpoot]

You are extremely naive if you believe that the ones the sec schools are fighting each other for are not getting paid. A sport where millions are being donated to the school for Coaches and facilities because fans are so crazy that they want to win and you think the majority of These highly recruited guys are not getting paid? Also, I do not blame the kids one bit for taking it. The ones good enough to be offered the money deserve it.

So we paying Pickering? Most of these MS kids are not leaving because they’re being paid. You were talking MS kids. Young, Pickering, Dean etc didn’t make their decisions on pay. For every one that leaves for money, ten don’t. It’s a mother 17r to recruit to Starkville, Oxford, and Hattiesburg. For every Moore or Davis, there are way more Pickerings and Plumlees.

[justwin]

You guys that believe all these kids are bought, are insulting most of them, because they aren’t.

dont you know, it just allows the the same ole' bitch & moan crowd to project their personal negative disposition life on someone or something else.

[KOdawg1]

Why did Tennessee stop recruiting Moore?
Same reason we should probably.

[Commercecomet24]

So we paying Pickering? Most of these MS kids are not leaving because they’re being paid. You were talking MS kids. Young, Pickering, Dean etc didn’t make their decisions on pay. For every one that leaves for money, ten don’t. It’s a mother 17r to recruit to Starkville, Oxford, and Hattiesburg. For every Moore or Davis, there are way more Pickerings and Plumlees.

This. The "they paid more than us" angle is blown way out of proportion.

[desotodawgz]

I always assumed that it usually all levels out and that the top football players get about the same "offer" from all their top schools and then end up gong where they really want to go unless some school goes crazy with money (like Ole Miss), promises shenanigans to get a kid qualified, or works back channels with a parent or "champion" to somewhat force a kid to choose his second or third choice.

I think a very, very small percentage of players end up going some where besides where they wanted to go in the first place due to financial reasons.

Most parents want what is best for their kids first and foremost

[Hambone]

Most parents want what is best for their kids first and foremost[/QUOTE]

You’d be surprised at the amount of parents that want what’s best for both them AND their kid..... it can be disheartening

[BuckyIsAB****]

Ealy was supposed to visit this weekend but moved it to next weekend. Harris was supposed to visit as well but apparently just said the hell with it he is already signed anyway.

Jones, Rogers and Mingo were the only 3 that were here over the weekend as far as I know and all 3 had great visits. Worst case with Mingo is 50-50

[TUSK]

This. The "they paid more than us" angle is blown way out of proportion.

Wait, REC not doin' werk? :(

[Gutter Cobreh]

Wait, REC not doin' werk? :(

Oh they're still doing werk; they're just using their time to determine which booster has to give mommy or daddy a six figure job within their personal business to keep them in the Bama "family"...***

[Jarius]

So we paying Pickering? Most of these MS kids are not leaving because they?re being paid. You were talking MS kids. Young, Pickering, Dean etc didn?t make their decisions on pay. For every one that leaves for money, ten don?t. It?s a mother 17r to recruit to Starkville, Oxford, and Hattiesburg. For every Moore or Davis, there are way more Pickerings and Plumlees.

Like I said, if you believe the top kids are not getting paid, you are naive. I’m not going to call out our specific signees and piss people off.... It’s not a mother 17’er to recruit here in literally any other sport. The difference in the sport of football in the SEC is that boosters at big money programs actually give a shit in the south about that sport. Like, won’t go to weddings in the fall level of give a shit.

[Bothrops]

You guys that believe all these kids are bought, are insulting most of them, because they aren?t.

It's not their fault though.

[HoopsDawg]

It is completely foolish to talk about kids being bought or not bought. Unless you are talking about Auburn b/c they cheat more than any other program.

[Randolph Dupree]

I know for a fact that Moore's wavering is $$ related but so was Lovett in last years class. somebody stepped up for Lovett and he signed with MSU over UT. Will somebody do the same so that Moore chooses MSU over Auburn?

Lovett was coming to MSU all along. Been close with that family since before the kid was born...Alcorn had a better chance of landing him than anyone outside of us.

[KOdawg1]

With James leaving, what do we do with his scholarship? Not likely we reach 25, so do we settle for a guy like Lawrence? Wouldn't be thrilled with that, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

[BankerDog]

You guys are really gonna be pissed when Plumlee commits to OM.

[msstate7]

You guys are really gonna be pissed when Plumlee commits to OM.

That would put us 11th in the sec

[KOdawg1]

You guys are really gonna be pissed when Plumlee commits to OM.

Seems likely at this point. We'll miss on Plumlee, finish 2nd with Mingo, finish 2nd with Young, lose a longtime commitment in Moore, we MAY get Ealy, but it won't matter because he'll never see a football field.

Strike one was this football season. Strike two would be completely wiffing on the best recruiting class in the state in a long time.

[BeardoMSU]

You guys are really gonna be pissed when Plumlee commits to OM.

The shit show would commence...

https://media.giphy.com/media/YZlQaMesgPIAM/200.gif

[BuckyIsAB****]

You guys are really gonna be pissed when Plumlee commits to OM.

When they hired Rich Rod it put them in better shape with him. I dont think thats close to a done deal though

[Homedawg]

That would put us 11th in the sec


Again, hard work is part of it and great. Results, at the end of the day is what matters. Maybe I'm year 2 it will. Of course, it will be tougher after having a tough year on the field. But oh well

[BuckyIsAB****]

We def need some good news to keep some of yall off the ledge and the rest of us from getting 2nd hand depression

[Homedawg]

When they hired Rich Rod it put them in better shape with him. I dont think thats close to a done deal though

We aren't getting plumlee barring a last second Hail Mary.

[Homedawg]

I do think the chance w young is pretty good. So there is some avg news. Not saying we get him, too far to go, but I like our position as of pre ole miss visit.

[BuckyIsAB****]

We aren't getting plumlee barring a last second Hail Mary.

I dont have any inside knowledge but I know Jones and some others were pulling on him hard

[msstate7]

I do think the chance w young is pretty good. So there is some avg news. Not saying we get him, too far to go, but I like our position as of pre ole miss visit.

That would be a big pull and a huge feather in joe's hat

[HoopsDawg]

That would be a big pull and a huge feather in joe's hat

absolutely! Pull Young, keep Pickering, and somehow get either Mingo or Juwan Johnson and I'm happy.

[KOdawg1]

I do think the chance w young is pretty good. So there is some avg news. Not saying we get him, too far to go, but I like our position as of pre ole miss visit.
We need to keep Brian Baker at all costs.

[Homedawg]

absolutely! Pull Young, keep Pickering, and somehow get either Mingo or Juwan Johnson and I'm happy.

If we don't keep Pickering I will be floored. The rest, well, I'd rate young as most likely, by far

[Homedawg]

We need to keep Brian Baker at all costs.


He's a good guy and a good coach. I agree. Again, it like the others we lost, it won't be bc of money. Never is.

[Cooterpoot]

Young and Ealy

[BeardoMSU]

Young and Ealy

Like.

[Irondawg]

While I wouldn't turn Plumlee down i'd be more fired up if he showed a legitimate interest in other positions and wanted to turn into Edleman or something. Right now he seems to want to play QB and I don't think he thinks we give him the best chance to that. But he did commit to GA which gave him almost no shot to do that so who knows what he's thinking.

My best completely uneducated guess right now is he drinks the OM kool-aid, lasts a year and transfers to USM

[Homedawg]

While I wouldn't turn Plumlee down i'd be more fired up if he showed a legitimate interest in other positions and wanted to turn into Edleman or something. Right now he seems to want to play QB and I don't think he thinks we give him the best chance to that. But he did commit to GA which gave him almost no shot to do that so who knows what he's thinking.

My best completely uneducated guess right now is he drinks the OM kool-aid, lasts a year and transfers to USM

He wants to play qb. I get it. He won't here, at ole miss and certainly not Georgia, IMO. But, you give him a shot, and he's a good enough athlete he can play elsewhere. It's a sales job at all three at this point. Hope we get him though

[Cooterpoot]

Plumlee will never be a full time QB if he plays baseball. Just impossible to miss that much practice time. He could do it at USM maybe. He’ll get a shot, but it won’t take long if he plays baseball.

[BuckyIsAB****]

He wants to play qb. I get it. He won't here, at ole miss and certainly not Georgia, IMO. But, you give him a shot, and he's a good enough athlete he can play elsewhere. It's a sales job at all three at this point. Hope we get him though

He will absolutely play it at OM and be given a shot at all 3. You are stupid if you dont let him try because he is a baller. But I could see OM giving him more time because he would be just like Rich Rod has had in the past. The QB they signed from TX isnt very good so Plumlee would have to beat Corral and thats it

[Bothrops]

Ole Miss will get Mingo and probably Plumlee. Young visiting LSU has me less than confident with him. If we don't go ahead and offer Lawrence, we're stupid. I say that because he actually wants to be here, and maybe we can find something he does well. We sign Pickering and get one transfer and we done.

[Cooterpoot]

Lawrence couldn’t play at USM. He’s terrible. Doesn’t have a position and didn’t do anything in HS ball.

[BankerDog]

When they hired Rich Rod it put them in better shape with him. I dont think thats close to a done deal though

I've heard it's close to being one. However, I did hear that Plumlee suffered two concussions this year and many feel like he won't be playing football very long.

[Bothrops]

Lawrence couldn’t play at USM. He’s terrible. Doesn’t have a position and didn’t do anything in HS ball.

Maybe we could give him Wayne Manniqian's old job.

[BankerDog]

Lawrence couldn’t play at USM. He’s terrible. Doesn’t have a position and didn’t do anything in HS ball.

We've signed far worse. You could at least get some decent special teams out of him.

[Cooterpoot]

We've signed far worse. You could at least get some decent special teams out of him.

No we haven’t. Not knowing that they would never really contribute.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Wouldn't a good WR be better suited to play in JoMo's system over RR's?

Whoa.......that is clear as day. Don't bring facts into a recruiting discussion.

[bulldawg28]

Lol... you guys melting over highschool projection players is hilarious.

[BankerDog]

No we haven?t. Not knowing that they would never really contribute.

Alec Murphy, Eric Lawson, Kendell Jones, Joey Trapp. That?s off the top of my head.

He?s close to McKinley Johnson, he?s 6?5 and can run a little. You can make use of that. Especially when I use to read how to comments on this board about how we should be signing buddies of top prospects to have a shot at them.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

He's a good guy and a good coach. I agree. Again, it like the others we lost, it won't be bc of money. Never is.

He turned town Mullen for their DL coach opening. He is far and away my favorite coach that we have.

[Cooterpoot]

Alec Murphy, Eric Lawson, Kendell Jones, Joey Trapp. That?s off the top of my head.

He?s close to McKinley Johnson, he?s 6?5 and can run a little. You can make use of that. Especially when I use to read how to comments on this board about how we should be signing buddies of top prospects to have a shot at them.

Other than Trapp, who was signed for depth only, the rest were expected to contribute. They weren’t signed as an unrated athlete knowing they wouldn’t contribute. He will have zero input in Jackson’s recruiting. Jackson marches to his own drum. He’s going to AL barring something crazy. Lots of AL pull on him.

[Cooterpoot]

We allowed too many kids to drag out recruiting. We should’ve had good plans and gone ahead and offered kids after some of these kids didn’t sign at the early date. You only let the high end guys hang on and do that. Emerson, James, Washington, and maybe even Moore (because Lockhart was rising) should’ve already had their spots filled.

[msstate7]

So how many guys we expecting to sign?

[ShotgunDawg]

We allowed too many kids to drag out recruiting.

This is JoMo though.

He's a really good guy but lacks the killer instinct, lets players walk all over him, lets other coaches walk all over him, etc

Cohen continues to hire Type B personalities because he likes them & they are easy to control.

Cohen won't ever reach his ceiling as an AD until he hires coaches that resemble him. Type A mofos that do their own thing.

[Cooterpoot]

This is JoMo though.

He's a really good guy but lacks the killer instinct, lets players walk all over him, lets other coaches walk all over him, etc

Cohen continues to hire Type B personalities because he likes them & they are easy to control.

Cohen won't ever reach his ceiling as an AD until he hires coaches that resemble him. Type A mofos that do their own thing.

Nah, we would?ve done the same thing regardless. We have done it before. But just like Bama letting Young know they weren?t happy with him, we have to tell them we?re looking if they are. And not everybody thinks Cohen was a great coach.

[MetEdDawg]

This is JoMo though.

He's a really good guy but lacks the killer instinct, lets players walk all over him, lets other coaches walk all over him, etc

Cohen continues to hire Type B personalities because he likes them & they are easy to control.

Cohen won't ever reach his ceiling as an AD until he hires coaches that resemble him. Type A mofos that do their own thing.

Yep. Mullen never had issues with that kind of stuff. We were able to keep virtually everyone under him which is why we had such high rankings in recruiting.

[Cooterpoot]

Mullen only had to deal with split signing day how many times?

[JohnHenryBonham]

Yep. Mullen never had issues with that kind of stuff. We were able to keep virtually everyone under him which is why we had such high rankings in recruiting.

Forgot the **

[KOdawg1]

This staff works harder at recruiting than the other staff did. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter because we'll finish near the same in the rankings.

Getting 2 of the top 10 players in the state is unacceptable for any staff. Total whiff by this staff. We had another chance to leave OM in the dust and we've squandered it again.

[chef dixon]

Against powerhouses yep but I'm not worried about Oregon & Nebraska for our guys.

Not really meaning to be critical by bumping this, but things are changing

[BuckyIsAB****]

Ole Miss will get Mingo and probably Plumlee. Young visiting LSU has me less than confident with him. If we don't go ahead and offer Lawrence, we're stupid. I say that because he actually wants to be here, and maybe we can find something he does well. We sign Pickering and get one transfer and we done.

Hes not a SEC player. Maybe we offer to get a leg up with Jackson other than that I dont see it.

We have the momentum with Mingo right now, just relax.

[Bothrops]

Hes not a SEC player. Maybe we offer to get a leg up with Jackson other than that I dont see it.

We have the momentum with Mingo right now, just relax.

Mingo has a visit with OM coming.

[justwin]

This is JoMo though.

He's a really good guy but lacks the killer instinct, lets players walk all over him, lets other coaches walk all over him, etc

Cohen continues to hire Type B personalities because he likes them & they are easy to control.

Cohen won't ever reach his ceiling as an AD until he hires coaches that resemble him. Type A mofos that do their own thing.

what player and coaches have walked all over him? be specific. he did sit his starting QB & RB for discipline issues so how is that walking all over him. Seems clear that he's not letting Charles Moore walk all over him either. Every coach that has left is getting a promotion.

Cohen's agenda in hiring a coach is an innovative, offensive minded, attaching style. Has done it with Cann, Lemonis, and Moorhead.

Back to the players walking all over him. I think you should really sit back and watch the way Moorhead handled Fitz publicly. Moorhead had so many opportunities to come out & publicly shame Fitz due to FITZ being incredibly erratic at QB. Joe didn't, never did publicly.

[Irondawg]

James committed to Oregon. Not sure what cristobal is selling but people are buying.

Be interesting to see if this one sticks.

[KOdawg1]

James committed to Oregon. Not sure what cristobal is selling but people are buying.

Be interesting to see if this one sticks.

Oregon is a long way from Alabama

[GreenheadDawg]

Oregon is a long way from Alabama

Pretty obvious the kid wanted to play anywhere but MSU

[msbulldog]

James committed to us, to use us as a bookmark, hoping for a Auburn offer. When that offer didn't come he opened up his recruitment. He never wanted to come to MSU, he was just using us.

Good Luck young man, hoping that you have a stellar career and that all your dreams come true.

[jacksondawg]

FSU just offered Darius Washington I assume he?s gone now too

[ShotgunDawg]

This staff works harder at recruiting than the other staff did. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter because we'll finish near the same in the rankings.

Getting 2 of the top 10 players in the state is unacceptable for any staff. Total whiff by this staff. We had another chance to leave OM in the dust and we've squandered it again.

Hard work is entirely overrated.

You either got it or you don't. You either get the job done or you don't.

We currently aren't getting the job done. Period

[Cooterpoot]

James committed to us, to use us as a bookmark, hoping for a Auburn offer. When that offer didn't come he opened up his recruitment. He never wanted to come to MSU, he was just using us.

Good Luck young man, hoping that you have a stellar career and that all your dreams come true.

It’s recruiting with two signing dates and it’s a damn smart approach.

[Homedawg]

Hard work is entirely overrated.

You either got it or you don't. You either get the job done or you don't.

We currently aren't getting the job done. Period
It's a results based business

[ShotgunDawg]

FSU just offered Darius Washington I assume he?s gone now too


We are on the cusp of losing every out of state commit that didn't sign early.

Our brand outside of Mississippi and to most of the top 10 in MS is absolute shit.

[KOdawg1]

FSU just offered Darius Washington I assume he?s gone now too
Yep, he gone. Complete embarrassment

[maroonmania]

Hard work is entirely overrated.

You either got it or you don't. You either get the job done or you don't.

We currently aren't getting the job done. Period

Well the hard work and relationship building probably won't really start reaping benefits until the 2020 signing class. If we don't see things taking a significant uptick to the positive due to those things then we probably won't be seeing it at all.

[Cooterpoot]

We should’ve made it clear if they didn’t sign their spots could be filled, and then aggressively pursued other players like Lockhart and Duncan etc. We waited too long.

[chef dixon]

We should’ve made it clear if they didn’t sign their spots could be filled, and then aggressively pursued other players like Lockhart and Duncan etc. We waited too long.

Seems people are still trying to figure out how to go about the early signing period. We can tell them that their spots might get filled but its also becoming clear that in the future if you're a decent player you can get a ton of solid offers after early signing day. Bigger programs get to focus all their attention on them all the sudden. I bet we will start to see a lot more players wait in the future, and it ultimately does not look like a positive for us.

[bulldawg28]

We should’ve made it clear if they didn’t sign their spots could be filled, and then aggressively pursued other players like Lockhart and Duncan etc. We waited too long.

Both are still in play

[Cooterpoot]

Both are still in play

Both would be committed or signed had we not waited though. Now they’re blowing up. I would’ve taken them when a couple of those guys were non-committal.

[NCDawg]

We should’ve made it clear if they didn’t sign their spots could be filled, and then aggressively pursued other players like Lockhart and Duncan etc. We waited too long.

I thought that too, but a lot of people on this board were saying, "our alumni is crazy-let them take their visits and have their fun-we don't have anything to worry about."

[bulldawg28]

Both would be committed or signed had we not waited though. Now they’re blowing up. I would’ve taken them when a couple of those guys were non-committal.

I agree with that.

[msbulldog]

FSU just offered Darius Washington I assume he?s gone now too

Why would you assume that?

[KOdawg1]

Why would you assume that?

Many have said that he's been holding out for an FSU offer.

[Coursesuper]

Why would you assume that?

It's two hours from home and it's the offer he's been waiting for.

[NCDawg]

It's two hours from home and it's the offer he's been waiting for.

It's getting pretty old that we're the "fall-back" offer. I think Dabo Swinney has it right-if somebody is committed to another school, we don't bring them in for a visit. Also, if a kid commits to us, we don't expect him to visit other schools, and if he does, he no longer has a scholarship offer from us.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

..... Also, if a kid commits to us, we don't expect him to visit other schools, and if he does, he no longer has a scholarship offer from us.
You really want that? You gonna tell Nathan Pickering to take a hike? Stupid

[NCDawg]

You really want that? You gonna tell Nathan Pickering to take a hike? Stupid

I was waiting on you to chime in with usual stupid post. Yeah, I'm telling him that and anybody else that commits to us that takes other visits. That's the only way you're going to stop it in my opinion.i

[Really Clark?]

I was waiting on you to chime in with usual stupid post. Yeah, I'm telling him that and anybody else that commits to us that takes other visits. That's the only way you're going to stop it in my opinion.i

You absolutely can?t do that with someone like Pickering. Absurd idea. And Dabo didn?t start the ?cant come if you are committed somewhere else? deal until they were in the playoffs. Oh and they also have committed players take other visits and don?t give them ultimatums or drop them.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

I was waiting on you to chime in with usual stupid post. Yeah, I'm telling him that and anybody else that commits to us that takes other visits. That's the only way you're going to stop it in my opinion.i

You were waiting on my post? Weird. How was my post stupid? If my post was stupid you are making me look smart. You are the one wanting to tell a high 4 star DL to leave if he visits somewhere else. That is one of the stupidest things I have ever read on this board.

[yjnkdawg]

I was waiting on you to chime in with usual stupid post. Yeah, I'm telling him that and anybody else that commits to us that takes other visits. That's the only way you're going to stop it in my opinion.i



With some recruits you can give an ultimatum, but with the highly recruited kids that you want, there is no way you can tell them that. If you do, then you can probably say bye to them, or more accurately they will more than likely say bye to you.

[NCDawg]

With some recruits you can give an ultimatum, but with the highly recruited kids that you want, there is no way you can tell them that. If you do, then you can probably say bye to them, or more accurately they will likely say bye to you.

I guess it's what you mean by commitment. My definition is commitment means your word is your bond. He can visit all the schools he chooses before he commits. When he commits, it is my opinion that he should not visit any more schools regardless of whether he is a highly recruited kid or not. If he breaks his bond, maybe he's not the type kid we need anyway.

[yjnkdawg]

I guess it's what you mean by commitment. My definition is commitment means your word is your bond. He can visit all the schools he chooses before he commits. When he commits, it is my opinion that he should not visit any more schools regardless of whether he is a highly recruited kid or not. If he breaks his bond, maybe he's not the type kid we need anyway.


That would be the ideal situation, but it's not reality in this day and time of recruiting. Most of these highly recruited kids want to take trips and go places where they have never been, and have the red carpet treatment laid out for them. Pickering is recruiting for us and is still committed. Now when you have out-of-state kids committed (with no previous ties to MSU growing up), and they want to start taking trips, then that's normally a problem, or can be one.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Mingo has a visit with OM coming.

I know that. That doesnt mean we arent in good shape

[BuckyIsAB****]

It's getting pretty old that we're the "fall-back" offer. I think Dabo Swinney has it right-if somebody is committed to another school, we don't bring them in for a visit. Also, if a kid commits to us, we don't expect him to visit other schools, and if he does, he no longer has a scholarship offer from us.

Is that really true?

[bulldawg28]

Is that really true?

I doubt it

[Avelso]

The part about Dabo and committed players is true. He won?t allow them to visit.

[RezDog7]

Yep, he gone. Complete embarrassment

It's an embarrassment to who? You? Good lord you people are unbearable.

[yjnkdawg]

The part about Dabo and committed players is true. He won?t allow them to visit.


Whether he does or doesn't, we haven't blown out and embarrassed Saban and Bama in a College Football Playoff National Championship game.

[bulldawg28]

The part about Dabo and committed players is true. He won?t allow them to visit.

That's BS I personally know a kid that signed with bama in December and Clemson never stopped recruiting him or prevented him from visiting. .

[bulldawg28]

While we're talking about Clemson recruiting tactics according to 24/7 Clemson signed 14 3* star players for their 2019 class. The sky is falling! The national champs class is made up of 3 star talent.

[CadaverDawg]

FSU just offered Darius Washington I assume he?s gone now too

Damn. Hits keep coming.

[Irondawg]

We're hitting a bit of a perfect storm in a bad way. A year ago whether we're the backup plan or not we get James b/c Auburn doesn't offer and Oregon isn't sniffing around some 3-star from Alabama.

Washington was way down FSU list but they apparently missed on some other guys. He was their Dylan Lawrence. I hope we thought he was a ton better than the guy that signed with Indiana. Once Washington was saying he wasn't going to sign early I would have taken the other guy in a heartbeat if he was willing to sign early.

A lot of blame on Joe, but I don't see anybody also blaming some of our other recruits for not being able to form some stronger bonds. Some of these guys falling out where together at one if not two all-star games together.

[MetEdDawg]

We're hitting a bit of a perfect storm in a bad way. A year ago whether we're the backup plan or not we get James b/c Auburn doesn't offer and Oregon isn't sniffing around some 3-star from Alabama.

Washington was way down FSU list but they apparently missed on some other guys. He was their Dylan Lawrence. I hope we thought he was a ton better than the guy that signed with Indiana. Once Washington was saying he wasn't going to sign early I would have taken the other guy in a heartbeat if he was willing to sign early.

A lot of blame on Joe, but I don't see anybody also blaming some of our other recruits for not being able to form some stronger bonds. Some of these guys falling out where together at one if not two all-star games together.

Well here's the thing. When you have to replace someone like Dan who was here and established for 9 years, the first full recruiting class is always the toughest. These kids have seen Mullen and his staff for years. Now Joe and an almost entirely new staff come in and have to build relationships in a year to either keep kids committed or try and win them over.

Unfortunately that just happened to be the year MS had its most highly rated class ever. Joe was Putin a bad spot with our expectations of how many kids he should get. I firmly believe Mullen would have gotten more MS kids because of the relationships. But I still think Joe can recruit.

Some of the things you look for like getting his QB well in advance. Shrader was done and committed to MSU a long time ago. That helps. He's made up ground and made it a battle for kids who are committed to OM and Bama. Mullen could
never do that.

[HancockCountyDog]

Right now, my biggest issue with this year’s class is that I’m still concerned that we aren’t going to take advantage of a really loaded year when we really have no competition in state or at least we shouldn’t.

I’m not upset about any one player not signing with us, it’s that we had a chance to really take the reigns in state.

Now if we close strong, it will be solid, but I’m just concerned that we missed an opportunity to distance ourselves from a pure talent standpoint from the confederates.

Hopefully we are talking about closing strong in two weeks.

[Ari Gold]

Right now, my biggest issue with this year’s class is that I’m still concerned that we aren’t going to take advantage of a really loaded year when we really have no competition in state or at least we shouldn’t.

I’m not upset about any one player not signing with us, it’s that we had a chance to really take the reigns in state.

Now if we close strong, it will be solid, but I’m just concerned that we missed an opportunity to distance ourselves from a pure talent standpoint from the confederates.

Hopefully we are talking about closing strong in two weeks.

Here’s the deal with the top 12 -15 players .. it didnt matter if it was Joe, Mullen, Pruitt, Morris, ect.... we weren’t going to get the majority of the these guys

We weren’t getting Jackson or Handy period.
No one thought we had a chance at Dean, it was closer than it seemed but in the end he was never going to stay in state
Ealy and Young. I said if Young stays in state he will be a dog. That still holds true
I said if Ealy plays ball in college he will be at State. I still think that’s true
I never had a good feeling about Mingo still have a chance but I would be shocked
I thought we would get Hall but with recruiting and the way some of these kids and their camps handle it well you figure it out and look where he ended up.
Moore, just like everyone else , thought he was a lock. See above Hall
Plumlee. He won’t be a SEC QB.. I expected him to go outside the SEC if he is dead set on playing QB. And it wouldn’t surprise me if he ends up ( OM) he isn’t there long. Transfer out.

Cross , Pickering, Jarrian ( who is a top 10 player ) and Russell are SEC calibure talent
If we can pull Young and still get Moore thats half of the top 12.

Bottom line if we flip Young, and
Fill in with some out of state talent and a transfer or 2 this will be a very solid class

[Cooterpoot]

We aren't missing out on much with Hall and Handy either. Moore is like Handy but with talent. He's let people screw him over.

[Ari Gold]

Also if we could only sign 3 players from the state and we got our pick of any 3... Mine without question are:
Pickering Cross and Young

If you want to win in the SEC you better be really good up font. These are the best 3 in the state and near the top in the country at their spots.

And we may end up with all 3

[bobcat91]

My concern is DBs. We arent getting any of the 3 committed to us in December and we are hoping to pull a couple out of nowhere

[Ifyouonlyknew]

My concern is DBs. We arent getting any of the 3 committed to us in December and we are hoping to pull a couple out of nowhere

Totally understand that. I feel Collin Duncan will be in this class & then we'll see on Adonis Otey.

[KOdawg1]

Totally understand that. I feel Collin Duncan will be in this class & then we'll see on Adonis Otey.

Collin Duncan is pretty much a must get at this point.

[NCDawg]

Also if we could only sign 3 players from the state and we got our pick of any 3... Mine without question are:
Pickering Cross and Young

If you want to win in the SEC you better be really good up font. These are the best 3 in the state and near the top in the country at their spots.

And we may end up with all 3

Totally agree. You're not going to win in the SEC unless you are great up front on offense and defense.

[huffy]

Charles Cross got his 5th star on 247. Number 8 overall in their ranks.

[Doggie_Style]

Charles Cross got his 5th star on 247. Number 8 overall in their ranks.

JoMo just rang the bell...2020 Sip Boy

[BuckyIsAB****]

That's BS I personally know a kid that signed with bama in December and Clemson never stopped recruiting him or prevented him from visiting. .

Hes saying if the kid is committed to Clemson if he visits somewhere else then he considers them uncommitted. I think you are hurting your own chances if you dont bring in kids who are committed somewhere else though

[BuckyIsAB****]

Here’s the deal with the top 12 -15 players .. it didnt matter if it was Joe, Mullen, Pruitt, Morris, ect.... we weren’t going to get the majority of the these guys

We weren’t getting Jackson or Handy period.
No one thought we had a chance at Dean, it was closer than it seemed but in the end he was never going to stay in state
Ealy and Young. I said if Young stays in state he will be a dog. That still holds true
I said if Ealy plays ball in college he will be at State. I still think that’s true
I never had a good feeling about Mingo still have a chance but I would be shocked
I thought we would get Hall but with recruiting and the way some of these kids and their camps handle it well you figure it out and look where he ended up.
Moore, just like everyone else , thought he was a lock. See above Hall
Plumlee. He won’t be a SEC QB.. I expected him to go outside the SEC if he is dead set on playing QB. And it wouldn’t surprise me if he ends up ( OM) he isn’t there long. Transfer out.

Cross , Pickering, Jarrian ( who is a top 10 player ) and Russell are SEC calibure talent
If we can pull Young and still get Moore thats half of the top 12.

Bottom line if we flip Young, and
Fill in with some out of state talent and a transfer or 2 this will be a very solid class

I have a feeling you may be shocked on signing day

[KOdawg1]

Delete

[BuckyIsAB****]

JoMo just rang the bell...2020 Sip Boy

Big time get

[BuckyIsAB****]

Wouldn't surprise me if it's Malik Heath recomitting

Its not

[Ari Gold]

I have a feeling you may be shocked on signing day

Let’s hope I am....

[Commercecomet24]

Huge get today for Jomo and staff!

[msbulldog]

Will Rogers pro style QB Brandon

love that Brandon connection.

[vv83]

Will Rogers pro style QB Brandon

love that Brandon connection.

Sureeeely this seals the deal with mingo?

[Lance Harbor]

What is the story with Heath?


Its not

[msbulldog]

Sureeeely this seals the deal with mingo?

Damn sure can't hurt if their buddies!