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msstate7
11-15-2018, 07:04 AM
The corners we have now aren't 4 stars. However, they are playing elite. It's all coaching. Stop worrying about a beat writers ranking to tell you how successful a football player will be. They're not NFL professional scouts. ANY SEC offered kid is talented. Give him the right tools in coaching and he'll succeed.

Cam is a stud. He is a great player. We aren't exactly churning out CBs to the nfl. I think Redmond was our last drafted CB.

Ifyouonlyknew
11-15-2018, 08:28 AM
Cam is a stud. He is a great player. We aren't exactly churning out CBs to the nfl. I think Redmond was our last drafted CB.

Well we do have 2 NFL CB's starting Saturday

msstate7
11-15-2018, 08:33 AM
Well we do have 2 NFL CB's starting Saturday

I suppose peters and cam. Peters is a 4-star

msstate7
11-15-2018, 08:40 AM
I know everyone likes to jump on what I say and that's cool... I can handle it. All I'm saying though is CB is one position where you really need the 4-star athletes. Look at the WRs that bama, LSU, aTm, auburn, ark (this season), and om sign. We've got to have elite guys outside to combat that. This year we have matched up really well outside for the most part, but we will be losing 2 elite dlinemen this season so that cover time will be longer next season

bulldawg28
11-15-2018, 08:46 AM
I know everyone likes to jump on what I say and that's cool... I can handle it. All I'm saying though is CB is one position where you really need the 4-star athletes. Look at the WRs that bama, LSU, aTm, auburn, ark (this season), and om sign. We've got to have elite guys outside to combat that. This year we have matched up really well outside for the most part, but we will be losing 2 elite dlinemen this season so that cover time will be longer next season

What's the difference in a 4 star corner and 3 star? Explain, other than scout 24/7 said it? The stats are generally the same, height, weight, etc. What makes the other different? That's what your trying to minimize or marginalize between the two

bulldawg28
11-15-2018, 08:46 AM
I suppose peters and cam. Peters is a 4-star

And 3 star Cam is outperforming him.

bulldawg28
11-15-2018, 08:50 AM
Cam is a stud. He is a great player. We aren't exactly churning out CBs to the nfl. I think Redmond was our last drafted CB.

It's scheming and coaching. We have the same guys from last year with a 5th DC in 4 years performing at a high level. Why, it's coaching.

msstate7
11-15-2018, 08:54 AM
I won't argue. Stars don't matter

bulldawg28
11-15-2018, 09:19 AM
I won't argue. Stars don't matter

Not unless they're can't miss 5 stars. 85% of the players in college and the NFL are 3 star range players

Ifyouonlyknew
11-15-2018, 09:48 AM
I won't argue. Stars don't matter

Stars matter but so do Offers

Greg Brooks 6 SEC 11 P5 Offers
DJ James 6 SEC 8 P5 Offers
Martin Emerson 2 SEC 9 P5 Offers

We have some guys that are highly thought of. Brooks is .0008 points away from being a 4*. Expect DJ to move up too after his Sr film & MS/AL week.

msstate7
11-15-2018, 10:01 AM
Stars matter but so do Offers

Greg Brooks 6 SEC 11 P5 Offers
DJ James 6 SEC 8 P5 Offers
Martin Emerson 2 SEC 9 P5 Offers

We have some guys that are highly thought of. Brooks is .0008 points away from being a 4*. Expect DJ to move up too after his Sr film & MS/AL week.

That's good info. Makes me feel better.

Let's compare them to just the 3 ark wr commits...

Burks - ark, Clemson, FSU, LSU, Michigan, om, tenn

Knox - ark, tenn, auburn, Clemson, Florida, Kentucky, LSU, ND, Ohio st, om, penn state, South Carolina, VT

Nash - ark, mizzou, auburn, florida, Kentucky, om, South Carolina, tenn.

The west is loading up on wr talent

the_real_MSU_is_us
11-15-2018, 10:29 AM
That's good info. Makes me feel better.

Let's compare them to just the 3 ark wr commits...

Burks - ark, Clemson, FSU, LSU, Michigan, om, tenn

Knox - ark, tenn, auburn, Clemson, Florida, Kentucky, LSU, ND, Ohio st, om, penn state, South Carolina, VT

Nash - ark, mizzou, auburn, florida, Kentucky, om, South Carolina, tenn.

The west is loading up on wr talent

Right and we have shown this year that with a couple years under TBuck and 1 under Shoop that our mid-low 3* DBs can shut down the WRs of Auburn, LSU, and now Bama. 2/5 starters have been out between Peters and Cole, and we didn't have Landrews or Cole for Bama. Smitherman, CJ Morgan, even Rayford were out there hanging with arguably the best WR unit in the country this past Saturday. Yes our elite DL helped them out but there's no denying they played WAY above their collective offer list/rating.

I'm not saying having 5* DBs wouldn't be best or that recruiting ranking on average doesn't matter, I'm just saying DB is one of those positions where it's easy to find a 5'10"-6'2" skinny kid that can run fast. From there, coach them up 2 years and you're no different than a team made up of 4* DBs that were only higher rated because their footwork and ball skills were better on the HS tape.

DL, LBs, and skill position players on O have rarer and more niche body types than DBs do and so it seems like the guys with ideal body types get highly rated on potential alone, even if the HS tape shows they have no idea what they're doing. OL get highly rated if their body has already developed, and a 6'5" HS OL will stand out and get proper rating attention on even if he sucks. But for DBs, there's just so many 6ish foot tall skinny athletes out there that to be highly rated you've got to have elite HS tape or elite athleticism; there's a lot of raw SEC athletes that fall though the cracks just because they don't pop on film. We built one of the best secondaries in the conference with just 1 4* on the 2 deep. That's how it looks to me anyway, but I'm no expert

msudawglb
11-15-2018, 10:41 AM
Right and we have shown this year that with a couple years under TBuck and 1 under Shoop that our mid-low 3* DBs can shut down the WRs of Auburn, LSU, and now Bama. 2/5 starters have been out between Peters and Cole, and we didn't have Landrews or Cole for Bama. Smitherman, CJ Morgan, even Rayford were out there hanging with arguably the best WR unit in the country this past Saturday. Yes our elite DL helped them out but there's no denying they played WAY above their collective offer list/rating.

I'm not saying having 5* DBs wouldn't be best or that recruiting ranking on average doesn't matter, I'm just saying DB is one of those positions where it's easy to find a 5'10"-6'2" skinny kid that can run fast. From there, coach them up 2 years and you're no different than a team made up of 4* DBs that were only higher rated because their footwork and ball skills were better on the HS tape.

DL, LBs, and skill position players on O have rarer and more niche body types than DBs do and so it seems like the guys with ideal body types get highly rated on potential alone, even if the HS tape shows they have no idea what they're doing. OL get highly rated if their body has already developed, and a 6'5" HS OL will stand out and get proper rating attention on even if he sucks. But for DBs, there's just so many 6ish foot tall skinny athletes out there that to be highly rated you've got to have elite HS tape or elite athleticism; there's a lot of raw SEC athletes that fall though the cracks just because they don't pop on film. We built one of the best secondaries in the conference with just 1 4* on the 2 deep. That's how it looks to me anyway, but I'm no expert

Shutdown? We have average to good CB's. Not shutdown CB's. Tua is hurt and just isn't the same as earlier in the season. Stidham just sucks this year. And the LSU QB is average. If you take away some of our DL rush, our CB's would look a lot more average.

Ari Gold
11-15-2018, 10:43 AM
Holding on to James and Brooks will be huge.

Yes the Shoop factor is real and the DB play is proving that

Pickering may not be the next Simmons but I bet he is a bigger impact here than Chris Jones did and that’s pretty
****ing good

And yes I will take P5 offers over stars all day. And there isn’t much difference between a high 3star and a mid range to high 4. Once you get into the top 50-75 in the country is where stars come into play more

When it comes to KB I don’t think Ark would even be a consideration for him if not for his past interaction with Coach Morris. Wouldn’t shock me to see him end up at Aub. We all know what goes on there in the final hours.

I am still hoping when Jack Harris gets here redshirts and has some years to gain weight , learn technique under Coach Baker and makes the move to DE.
I just don’t think he is a LB at this level.

ShotgunDawg
11-15-2018, 11:23 AM
Holding on to James and Brooks will be huge.

Yes the Shoop factor is real and the DB play is proving that

Pickering may not be the next Simmons but I bet he is a bigger impact here than Chris Jones did and that’s pretty
****ing good

And yes I will take P5 offers over stars all day. And there isn’t much difference between a high 3star and a mid range to high 4. Once you get into the top 50-75 in the country is where stars come into play more

When it comes to KB I don’t think Ark would even be a consideration for him if not for his past interaction with Coach Morris. Wouldn’t shock me to see him end up at Aub. We all know what goes on there in the final hours.

I am still hoping when Jack Harris gets here redshirts and has some years to gain weight , learn technique under Coach Baker and makes the move to DE.
I just don’t think he is a LB at this level.

Auburn surviving by taking a transfer QB every year has to be one of the most annoying reoccurring themes in the SEC.

msstate7
11-15-2018, 11:26 AM
Auburn surviving by taking a transfer QB every year has to be one of the most annoying reoccurring themes in the SEC.

If I were auburn, I'd be after hurts. Hurts would fit Gus like a glove.

WPS
11-15-2018, 11:36 AM
That's good info. Makes me feel better.

Let's compare them to just the 3 ark wr commits...

Burks - ark, Clemson, FSU, LSU, Michigan, om, tenn

Knox - ark, tenn, auburn, Clemson, Florida, Kentucky, LSU, ND, Ohio st, om, penn state, South Carolina, VT

Nash - ark, mizzou, auburn, florida, Kentucky, om, South Carolina, tenn.

The west is loading up on wr talent

Adding the #1 TE to that too. Wouldn't be surprised if they're all starting next year with how awful the Arkansas WR corp is.

Ari Gold
11-15-2018, 11:38 AM
If I were auburn, I'd be after hurts. Hurts would fit Gus like a glove.

I don’t think Jalan would want the Bama / Aub bullshit around him all year. My bet is he gets out of the state and he gets out of conference all together .

msstate7
11-15-2018, 11:40 AM
I don?t think Jalan wants that publicity around him all year. My bet is he gets out fo the state and I bet he gets out of conference all together .

Good for all the west. Auburn with a Stidham isn't nearly as scary as auburn with a BA running qb that can hit some passes

Bothrops
11-15-2018, 12:36 PM
Kelly Bryant would help our offense.

Hurts is not going to Auburn.

The DB's we have committed maybe the best overall group ever to sign at MSU...IF WE CAN SIGN ALL OF THEM!

Need to sign Payton ar WR.

the_real_MSU_is_us
11-15-2018, 12:53 PM
Shutdown? We have average to good CB's. Not shutdown CB's. Tua is hurt and just isn't the same as earlier in the season. Stidham just sucks this year. And the LSU QB is average. If you take away some of our DL rush, our CB's would look a lot more average.

Of course our CBs would look worse if you take away the great pass rush. That's true for Bama too. The fact is though, people can say our CBs are mediocre all they want too but at the end of the day there hasn't been a SINGLE time they've been burned deep. Not a once. Bama had a CB burned deep to start the OM game. LSU allowed 2 passes longer than we did vs Bama and 130 more total passing yards. Against LSU, Bama had 5 recievers average over 10 ypc. Against us? 2. Yeah our pass rush is better but LSU did have the home crowd advantage too. Yeah Tua was hurt for us but he was just as gimpy at LSU. Everyone agrees LSU has a top 5 secondary and yet our CBs did better.

We held Burrow to his lowest passer rating of the year, and his 2nd lowest QBR. Bama has a good pass rush too yet nobody would dare say they have "average " CBs and they'd be exposed without the pass rush.

We held Mond to his lowest passer rating of the year, 2nd lowest comp %, and 2nd lowest QBR. Once again, our CBs did just as good of a job as Bama's did, and again Bama has a good pass rush too.

Stidham is bad? OK, but we held Stidham to his lowest passer rating of the year. Next lowest was UGA, one after that is LSU. Are their CBs average too?


Last year we had the same DL, and had a pretty damn good pass rush. Yet we got burned deep often. That's what happens when your CBs are average. It's not the case this year

How many games do we have to put up not allowing a passing TD over 20 yards before we can say the CBs are really good? Nobody does this to LSU's or Bama's or UGA's DBs even when they have a good DL. Yes our pass rush masks flaws but there's absolutely 0 evidence though 10 games that our secondary is 2nd to anyone in the conference, much less that our CBs are average

This is a holdover of the preseason narrative we all had (CBs area liability), but it just doesn't match up to what has been proven on the field

msudawglb
11-15-2018, 01:42 PM
Of course our CBs would look worse if you take away the great pass rush. That's true for Bama too. The fact is though, people can say our CBs are mediocre all they want too but at the end of the day there hasn't been a SINGLE time they've been burned deep. Not a once. Bama had a CB burned deep to start the OM game. LSU allowed 2 passes longer than we did vs Bama and 130 more total passing yards. Against LSU, Bama had 5 recievers average over 10 ypc. Against us? 2. Yeah our pass rush is better but LSU did have the home crowd advantage too. Yeah Tua was hurt for us but he was just as gimpy at LSU. Everyone agrees LSU has a top 5 secondary and yet our CBs did better.

We held Burrow to his lowest passer rating of the year, and his 2nd lowest QBR. Bama has a good pass rush too yet nobody would dare say they have "average " CBs and they'd be exposed without the pass rush.

We held Mond to his lowest passer rating of the year, 2nd lowest comp %, and 2nd lowest QBR. Once again, our CBs did just as good of a job as Bama's did, and again Bama has a good pass rush too.

Stidham is bad? OK, but we held Stidham to his lowest passer rating of the year. Next lowest was UGA, one after that is LSU. Are their CBs average too?


Last year we had the same DL, and had a pretty damn good pass rush. Yet we got burned deep often. That's what happens when your CBs are average. It's not the case this year

How many games do we have to put up not allowing a passing TD over 20 yards before we can say the CBs are really good? Nobody does this to LSU's or Bama's or UGA's DBs even when they have a good DL. Yes our pass rush masks flaws but there's absolutely 0 evidence though 10 games that our secondary is 2nd to anyone in the conference, much less that our CBs are average

This is a holdover of the preseason narrative we all had (CBs area liability), but it just doesn't match up to what has been proven on the field


They were burned against Auburn...open for a long TD...Stidham just over threw the ball.

I'm not saying they suck. Geez, I said they were pretty good. But they are definitley not "shutdown" corners.

Bass Chaser
11-15-2018, 02:06 PM
They were burned against Auburn...open for a long TD...Stidham just over threw the ball.

I'm not saying they suck. Geez, I said they were pretty good. But they are definitley not "shutdown" corners.

That was McLaurin. Recruiting thread down another rabbit trail. **

msudawglb
11-15-2018, 02:31 PM
That was McLaurin. Recruiting thread down another rabbit trail. **

You are correct (that was my bad above). Out of the 202 pages, there's probably 4 pages of recruiting talk.

Lumpy Chucklelips
11-15-2018, 02:53 PM
Keep an eye on Stidham. If he decides to bypass the draft, he is a grad transfer possibility. He may decide to go someplace that would better suit his talents. In most cases, that would be a win for us, but hell, him staying at Auburn and winning the job next year may be best for us.

msudawglb
11-15-2018, 03:02 PM
Keep an eye on Stidham. If he decides to bypass the draft, he is a grad transfer possibility. He may decide to go someplace that would better suit his talents. In most cases, that would be a win for us, but hell, him staying at Auburn and winning the job next year may be best for us.

I pray he stays at Auburn for another year. He + Gus = Fecal Matter

msstate7
11-15-2018, 06:12 PM
M. Fine will play vs Lane Kiffin tonight at 830 cbssn

Bass Chaser
11-15-2018, 06:31 PM
You are correct (that was my bad above). Out of the 202 pages, there's probably 4 pages of recruiting talk.

Just messing with you.

Goldendawg
11-15-2018, 08:33 PM
I will not believe any of this thread on any of our corners or CB prospects until Shotgun has evaluated all of their film and makes his report. Just Kidding.***** Hail State! P.S. Anyone got any news on remaining targets for this recruiting class?

Pit Bull
11-16-2018, 05:05 AM
Will be interesting to see what Jaylon Reed does for us in the near future. Was redshirted this year, but Malik Heath said Jaylon covered him better than anybody during the MS Allstar game practices. Reed appears to be a good sized CB and have been told he is right at a 4.5 forty. Had a very nice offer sheet too. So, I hope he can come in and contribute some next year.

Pit Bull
11-16-2018, 05:11 AM
....guess since he's at UF, he figures he can just swoop in and flip anyone he wants. I hear he still hasn't given up on Pickering either. Lazy Don.....we recruit, then he goes over our lists to try and steal. He just can't seem to do it on his own can he?


https://247sports.com/college/football/recruiting/Article/Florida-offer-gives-2020-MSU-DB-commitment-chills-124772543/

Lord McBuckethead
11-16-2018, 11:40 AM
Back to Recruiting
Does anyone have a list of the prospects visiting tonight and tomorrow? Hope the basketball game has a crazy atmosphere tonight. People are all over Starkville today for the early Black Friday MSU shopping.

Lord McBuckethead
11-16-2018, 11:40 AM
Maybe he will figure out it wasn't MSU holding him back in the recruits eyes. Some people don't like assholes.

StarkVegasSteve
11-16-2018, 11:47 AM
KB will be at the basketball game tonight. Maybe that'll get some people in attendance.

Cooterpoot
11-16-2018, 11:58 AM
Back to Recruiting
Does anyone have a list of the prospects visiting tonight and tomorrow? Hope the basketball game has a crazy atmosphere tonight. People are all over Starkville today for the early Black Friday MSU shopping.

Bryant and Payton I know. Several commits will be there too.

msstate7
11-16-2018, 12:00 PM
KB will be at the basketball game tonight. Maybe that'll get some people in attendance.

I'll be there to boo him**

I'm playing... no one get bent out of shape

maroonmania
11-17-2018, 12:28 AM
....guess since he's at UF, he figures he can just swoop in and flip anyone he wants. I hear he still hasn't given up on Pickering either. Lazy Don.....we recruit, then he goes over our lists to try and steal. He just can't seem to do it on his own can he?


https://247sports.com/college/football/recruiting/Article/Florida-offer-gives-2020-MSU-DB-commitment-chills-124772543/

Its all about laziness. Just way easier for him to recruit MS HS guys that he already has a relationship with than for him to actually have to put in the effort to develop relationships with FL HS SR guys.

Cooterpoot
11-17-2018, 12:58 AM
Dan can eat a dick. He’s not getting many MS kids and he’s certainly not getting Pickering.

Commercecomet24
11-17-2018, 01:47 PM
Dan can eat a dick. He’s not getting many MS kids and he’s certainly not getting Pickering.

Amen brother! 100% truth!

KOdawg1
11-17-2018, 04:02 PM
Charles Cross was in attendance today..

Commercecomet24
11-17-2018, 04:05 PM
Charles Cross was in attendance today..

Yes cross loves JoMo. We have s very good chance of getting him.

Cooterpoot
11-17-2018, 07:53 PM
Today was a very good day!

Commercecomet24
11-17-2018, 08:00 PM
Today was a very good day!

I hear ya!

CadaverDawg
11-17-2018, 08:01 PM
Today was a very good day!

Can you elaborate?

Really Clark?
11-17-2018, 08:02 PM
On multiple fronts it looks like we’ve had a good day with recruits. Lot positive momentum continuing with Cross and more experts are switching their picks

Commercecomet24
11-17-2018, 08:09 PM
Cross is real close.

CadaverDawg
11-17-2018, 08:25 PM
Cross would be big.

Cooterpoot
11-17-2018, 08:47 PM
Can you elaborate?

Cross Is going to flip. Just a matter of time.

Commercecomet24
11-17-2018, 08:49 PM
Cross Is going to flip. Just a matter of time.

This.

KOdawg1
11-17-2018, 08:50 PM
Cross Is going to flip. Just a matter of time.

Bet he drops to a 3 star if he does

TALL DAWG
11-17-2018, 09:45 PM
This.

We will all cross our fingers...

Commercecomet24
11-17-2018, 10:23 PM
We will all cross our fingers...

Nice!

NCDawg
11-17-2018, 10:32 PM
I still wish we could sign Jerrion Ealy, the best RB in the state. If he signs a pro baseball contract, so be it. I recall a lot of people also thought AJ Brown was going to sign a baseball contract.

KOdawg1
11-17-2018, 10:39 PM
I still wish we could sign Jerrion Ealy, the best RB in the state. If he signs a pro baseball contract, so be it. I recall a lot of people also thought AJ Brown was going to sign a baseball contract.

AJ did sign a baseball contract. He's still apart of the Padres organization. He just hasn't played yet.

And AJ Brown wasn't a projected 1st round draft pick like Ealy is.

ShotgunDawg
11-17-2018, 10:41 PM
Photo evidence of Bryant visiting

https://twitter.com/brand0fish/status/1063832267171205120?s=21

CadaverDawg
11-17-2018, 10:43 PM
I still wish we could sign Jerrion Ealy, the best RB in the state. If he signs a pro baseball contract, so be it. I recall a lot of people also thought AJ Brown was going to sign a baseball contract.

So was Senquez Golson, and he played football for Ole Miss too. I agree with you about Ealy, I'll believe he doesn't go to OM when I see it. Knowing OM, they're ok with him going MLB as long as they get that recruiting rankings bump

Ifyouonlyknew
11-17-2018, 10:44 PM
So was Senquez Golson, and he played football for Ole Miss too. I agree with you about Ealy, I'll believe he doesn't go to OM when I see it. Knowing OM, they're ok with him going MLB as long as they get that recruiting rankings bump

Problem is Ealy wants that multi million dollar signing bonus. He's not getting that by playing college football.

CadaverDawg
11-17-2018, 10:47 PM
Problem is Ealy wants that multi million dollar signing bonus. He's not getting that by playing college football.

Hope you're right

Commercecomet24
11-17-2018, 10:49 PM
Hope you're right

He is. He was never gonna see a football field. They want the money and unm can't match first round mlb money lol. This decision been made awhile.

BuckyIsAB****
11-18-2018, 12:32 AM
Dont sleep on Mingo

yjnkdawg
11-18-2018, 12:38 AM
Bet he drops to a 3 star if he does


Doesn't matter how he is ranked. We would still be getting 4* talent.

CadaverDawg
11-18-2018, 01:17 AM
Dont sleep on Mingo

Man add Mingo and Cross to this class and I'll be happy as hell. We need a big time WR and a big time OT....Cross and Mingo would be big time. Do you guys really feel we have a shot at flipping Mingo too?

Commercecomet24
11-18-2018, 01:20 AM
Man add Mingo and Cross to this class and I'll be happy as hell. We need a big time WR and a big time OT....Cross and Mingo would be big time. Do you guys really feel we have a shot at flipping Mingo too?

Mingo is in play and cross is close to flipping.

msstate7
11-18-2018, 08:14 AM
19 commits or 18 if we drop Richardson. I gather these are our top targets (or at least most likely):

Hall
Mingo
Payton
Cross
Witherspoon

What % you guys put on each of them? Who else are the most likely to fill the last few spots?

Cooterpoot
11-18-2018, 08:17 AM
I don?t see Mingo happening. He?s pretty locked in on OM. Have to see what happens with that staff though.

Hall -75%
Mingo- 30%
Payton- 50%
Cross- 75%
Witherspoon- 75%

Ari Gold
11-18-2018, 08:57 AM
So was Senquez Golson, and he played football for Ole Miss too. I agree with you about Ealy, I'll believe he doesn't go to OM when I see it. Knowing OM, they're ok with him going MLB as long as they get that recruiting rankings bump

If Ealy decides to play college football which there is an extremely small chance he does it wont be at OM.

Ari Gold
11-18-2018, 09:02 AM
We are closer with a Mingo than most think , and let’s just wait and see what kind of shake up happens at OM the next few weeks. Things may get even more interesting

And like I said with Cross over a month ago everyone just give it some time..

ShotgunDawg
11-18-2018, 09:08 AM
If Ealy decides to play college football which there is an extremely small chance he does it wont be at OM.

So he'll sign somewhere else?

Dawg-gone-dawgs
11-18-2018, 10:07 AM
If Ealy decides to play college football which there is an extremely small chance he does it wont be at OM.

Seriously??? Hahaha that's a safe prediction..

sscjr1
11-18-2018, 10:11 AM
Seriously??? Hahaha that's a safe prediction..

Did Ari steal your girlfriend or something?

KOdawg1
11-18-2018, 10:14 AM
I don?t see Mingo happening. He?s pretty locked in on OM. Have to see what happens with that staff though.

Hall -75%
Mingo- 30%
Payton- 50%
Cross- 75%
Witherspoon- 75%

Getting Hall, Payton, Cross, and Witherspoon would be a great way to wrap up the class, given we're also able to hold on to the ones we've got. Gotta think that would be a top 15 class which would be impressive for Moorhead since this is his first real recruiting class here.

Cooterpoot
11-18-2018, 10:16 AM
We aren’t reaching top 15. Will be lucky to be top 20.

Ifyouonlyknew
11-18-2018, 10:21 AM
Getting Hall, Payton, Cross, and Witherspoon would be a great way to wrap up the class, given we're also able to hold on to the ones we've got. Gotta think that would be a top 15 class which would be impressive for Moorhead since this is his first real recruiting class here.

Close strong will get us between 15-20.

msstate7
11-18-2018, 10:24 AM
We aren’t reaching top 15. Will be lucky to be top 20.

I'll be thrilled to be 20 or above. I thought we were headed to round 30 a month ago

Cooterpoot
11-18-2018, 10:32 AM
I feel good about this staff’s recruiting. I was worried for awhile, but not anymore. I think you can see their plans and that they work at it hard & pretty smart.

msbulldog
11-18-2018, 10:41 AM
Getting Hall, Payton, Cross, and Witherspoon would be a great way to wrap up the class, given we're also able to hold on to the ones we've got. Gotta think that would be a top 15 class which would be impressive for Moorhead since this is his first real recruiting class here.

I put Hall, Cross and Mingo in the 247 class caculator and thet would get us to #16 at this point.

Ari Gold
11-18-2018, 12:38 PM
Did Ari steal your girlfriend or something?

It’s called Ari Gold Envy..

msbulldog
11-18-2018, 12:47 PM
It’s called Ari Gold Envy..

Ari, Pleeeeease!

Walkerhill
11-18-2018, 02:50 PM
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Have to see what happens with that staff though.

I would gladly give up a couple of recruits if the Plantation agrees to keep Luke for 1-2 more years. Is there an Ole Miss Pride group I can contribute to in support of Saving Matt Luke!

Goldendawg
11-18-2018, 04:14 PM
To those of you in the know. Is Witherspoon a diamond in the rough, a late bloomer that we discovered, a fall back plan since we whiffed on several RB's or what? It hasn't been but about one recruiting cycle back that this very board would have been complaining to look at his offer sheet (per 24/7): MSU offer but then the likes of Alabama A&M, Arkansas State, Louisville, Middle Tn, and interest from TN. Is he expected to get late offers from other SEC or P5 schools? Have other of our competitors filled their RB needs and he is left out?

Walkerhill
11-18-2018, 04:58 PM
To those of you in the know. Is Witherspoon a diamond in the rough, a late bloomer that we discovered, a fall back plan since we whiffed on several RB's or what? It hasn't been but about one recruiting cycle back that this very board would have been complaining to look at his offer sheet (per 24/7): MSU offer but then the likes of Alabama A&M, Arkansas State, Louisville, Middle Tn, and interest from TN. Is he expected to get late offers from other SEC or P5 schools? Have other of our competitors filled their RB needs and he is left out?


I am not at all in the know, but the word I heard is that this is his first year in the position and his stock has risen late in his senior year.

ShotgunDawg
11-18-2018, 05:35 PM
To those of you in the know. Is Witherspoon a diamond in the rough, a late bloomer that we discovered, a fall back plan since we whiffed on several RB's or what? It hasn't been but about one recruiting cycle back that this very board would have been complaining to look at his offer sheet (per 24/7): MSU offer but then the likes of Alabama A&M, Arkansas State, Louisville, Middle Tn, and interest from TN. Is he expected to get late offers from other SEC or P5 schools? Have other of our competitors filled their RB needs and he is left out?

I do have concerns about why he doesn't have more offers. It's rare that all schools mis-evaluate a known player.

msstate7
11-18-2018, 05:41 PM
I do have concerns about why he doesn't have more offers. It's rare that all schools mis-evaluate a known player.

We've missed on our RB targets. Looks like we'll get a good one next season, and we have hill and Gibson next season. Bc of all this, I have no problem taking a shot on Witherspoon. He looks to be a really good athlete even if he doesn't work out at rb

hacker
11-18-2018, 05:47 PM
To those of you in the know. Is Witherspoon a diamond in the rough, a late bloomer that we discovered, a fall back plan since we whiffed on several RB's or what? It hasn't been but about one recruiting cycle back that this very board would have been complaining to look at his offer sheet (per 24/7): MSU offer but then the likes of Alabama A&M, Arkansas State, Louisville, Middle Tn, and interest from TN. Is he expected to get late offers from other SEC or P5 schools? Have other of our competitors filled their RB needs and he is left out?

We did whiff on some RBs, but I think Witherspoon is legit. It's his first year at RB. He also has an offer from Virginia Tech.

Dawgfan77
11-18-2018, 05:57 PM
I do have concerns about why he doesn't have more offers. It's rare that all schools mis-evaluate a known player.
He is comparable to Norwood. He has speed and moves(quick twitch). He doesn?t have offers for a few reasons. One this is his first year playing TB and didn?t really do the camp scene so his tape is his only RB film. Second a lot of schools had already gotten verbals from RBs. He is an underrated stud

Walkerhill
11-18-2018, 06:11 PM
He is comparable to Norwood. He has speed and moves(quick twitch). He doesn?t have offers for a few reasons. One this is his first year playing TB and didn?t really do the camp scene so his tape is his only RB film. Second a lot of schools had already gotten verbals from RBs. He is an underrated stud

Not claiming the same level hands and athleticism, but in body type he seems more like a Reggie Bush type. He may end up at slot wr playing more of a Deebo Samuel type role at SC (who was also a 3 star prospect from a small town and was the same height and weight).

Hard to tell much because of the level of competition, but he does show excellent balance and athleticism on his film.

He seems worth a swing, and also does not seem like a plug and play rb prospect.

Todd4State
11-18-2018, 06:59 PM
I could see Witherspoon getting moved up to a four star after the MS/AL all-star game.

MetEdDawg
11-18-2018, 07:27 PM
Bama has a RB commit from one of the best high school programs in the country and they are in it with the big RB from IMG. They aren't ever going to take an RB rated like Weatherspoon because they will always get big time recruited ones.

Auburn doesn't have that big time RB on their board really but I can't imagine they will go after Weatherspoon. Auburn and Alabama can afford to chase stars because they are big time programs in fertile recruiting territory, especially Auburn.

Weatherspoon is the kind of kid that can come to an MSU and really do good things because they are underrated but not high enough in star rating to get a serious look from the big boys.

Look at Errol. Both Bama and Auburn whiffed on him. But he was an 88 overall. Bama will almost never take a kid like that at LB.

Really Clark?
11-18-2018, 07:34 PM
Bell ringing

Cooterpoot
11-18-2018, 07:37 PM
And it begins.

sscjr1
11-18-2018, 07:38 PM
And it begins.
Cross?

Turfdawg67
11-18-2018, 07:41 PM
Bell ringing

Just saw that! Wonder who?!?

SouthMSDog
11-18-2018, 07:45 PM
Just saw that! Wonder who?!?

Kareem Walker JUCO RB

msstate7
11-18-2018, 07:46 PM
Bell ringing

With us pounding ark, doing well with Bryant, and now a commitment, Moorhead is having one hell of a weekend. Hats off to him and the staff for working through struggles... still work to be done, but I'm feeling much better about joe

msstate7
11-18-2018, 07:48 PM
Kareem Walker JUCO RB

That's gotta be bad news for Witherspoon, right? Surely we don't take 2 chances at rb

Todd4State
11-18-2018, 07:51 PM
That's gotta be bad news for Witherspoon, right? Surely we don't take 2 chances at rb

Not sure. We have been willing to take Ealy and Witherspoon for awhile.

We may be worried about Tennessee with Witherspoon as well.

SouthMSDog
11-18-2018, 07:53 PM
That's gotta be bad news for Witherspoon, right? Surely we don't take 2 chances at rb

Maybe not, since Walker is a JUCO guy. He was also the #1 RB in the country out of HS and played for Michigan.

Witherspoon was injured last Friday. No clue as to the severity.

bulldawg28
11-18-2018, 07:53 PM
That's gotta be bad news for Witherspoon, right? Surely we don't take 2 chances at rb

Imo yes, my concern has always been Gibson would transfer due to us not using him.

Really Clark?
11-18-2018, 07:55 PM
Doesn’t effect Weatherspoon’s offer, I believe

Ifyouonlyknew
11-18-2018, 07:57 PM
That's gotta be bad news for Witherspoon, right? Surely we don't take 2 chances at rb

We'll take 2 doesn't affect Witherspoon.

Cowbell
11-18-2018, 08:07 PM
If we were to get both of these cats, I would bet one of them ends up at slot. Either has the athleticism to make that work.

Really Clark?
11-18-2018, 08:09 PM
If we were to get both of these cats, I would bet one of them ends up at slot. Either has the athleticism to make that work.

Your saying Walker at slot?

msstate7
11-18-2018, 08:09 PM
Alright cross go ahead and flip tomorrow night.

Cooterpoot
11-18-2018, 08:20 PM
They expect Kylin to leave after next year.

Ari Gold
11-18-2018, 08:21 PM
This also should keep Murphy on the defensive side of the ball. I was told that if no RB was taking that we didn’t think could be an SEC back Murphy would have been moved to RB this spring. And he still may just to get a look.

We will still take Wspoon

ShotgunDawg
11-18-2018, 08:22 PM
I think there is a lot of pressure on the coaches to land a highly ranked back in the 2020 class.

MetEdDawg
11-18-2018, 08:31 PM
They expect Kylin to leave after next year.

If Kylin is able to do the things Barkley did in this offense this wouldn't shock me. Would definitely put pressure on to land multiple 2020 RBs because Walker would be a senior going into the 2020 season. Probably why we will continue to pursue all legitimate RB options this year.

ShotgunDawg
11-18-2018, 08:33 PM
If Kylin is able to do the things Barkley did in this offense this wouldn't shock me. Would definitely put pressure on to land multiple 2020 RBs because Walker would be a senior going into the 2020 season. Probably why we will continue to pursue all legitimate RB options this year.

At least we have a year to figure out how good Walker can be for us.

If he stinks & Kylin looks to be leaving early, there are ALWAYS quality JUCO backs that are capable of playing immediately. I think we'll be fine

Coach007
11-18-2018, 09:25 PM
I simply love what I am seeing from this coach and the words from the players and the recruits!

Commercecomet24
11-18-2018, 09:31 PM
This ain't the old staff out there recruiting fellas. It's a new era in State recruiting. Same ole same ole is dead and gone. This staff knows what they want and are hard workers. Expect to finish strong!

MetEdDawg
11-18-2018, 09:36 PM
And the year after the new hire is always the toughest. This group has been in contact with a lot of our old staff for a couple years. Then in the last year everyone they know at that school is gone.

We have done a very good job at bridging that gap quickly. If Moorhead puts together a Top 20 class this year that would be insanely impressive.

Coach007
11-18-2018, 09:44 PM
Fact... we have 5 RBs right now.

2 graduate this year.

1 graduates next year.

1 could be a draft next year.

That leaves us with 1 back on this team. Rivers(a walk on). For anybody to remotely complain about a 5 star recruit that just committed to us.... Come on.

Coach007
11-18-2018, 09:49 PM
Your saying Walker at slot?

Walker ain't going to slot.

At the end of next year we could have a walk on RB if we did that.

A

Walk


on.



we need 3 backs in this class.

Ifyouonlyknew
11-18-2018, 09:56 PM
Walker ain't going to slot.

At the end of next year we could have a walk on RB if we did that.

A

Walk


on.



we need 3 backs in this class.

We don't need 3 RB this class

Coach007
11-18-2018, 10:00 PM
We don't need 3 RB this class

There's not 3 for us to get regardless. Witherspoon is a 180 pound RB. He's not going to be ready to play next year. We are BLESSED to be getting Walker.

My hat is off to these coaches!

Ifyouonlyknew
11-18-2018, 10:01 PM
There's not 3 for us to get regardless. Witherspoon is a 180 pound RB. He's not going to be ready to play next year. We are BLESSED to be getting Walker.

My hat is off to these coaches!

Walker gives us #'s if he's anything more than that it's a plus.

Coach007
11-18-2018, 10:05 PM
Walker gives us #'s if he's anything more than that it's a plus.

YEP! Hill was injured this year. We see teams every year go through backs. Next year is no longer a concern.... the following is.

Ifyouonlyknew
11-18-2018, 10:07 PM
YEP! Hill was injured this year. We see teams every year go through backs. Next year is no longer a concern.... the following is.

Depends on if Kylin leaves & also who we sign in 2020.

Commercecomet24
11-18-2018, 10:07 PM
Walker gives us #'s if he's anything more than that it's a plus.

I see special teams and a good number 3 back behind Kylin and Gibson. He should be great depth and who knows maybe he can scratch some of his potential.

Coach007
11-18-2018, 10:15 PM
https://twitter.com/_KareemWalker


WOW! Look at all of the positive messages on that kid's feed. You don't see that alot these days... Even from Michigan fans!

ShotgunDawg
11-18-2018, 10:18 PM
Big thread about him on Michigan board

https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/kareem-walker-miss-state

Coach007
11-18-2018, 10:27 PM
Athlete Nation did a story on him. About his father's murder, and how things at Michigan didn't work out.

msstate7
11-18-2018, 10:27 PM
Big thread about him on Michigan board

https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/kareem-walker-miss-state

So maybe academics was the issue at Michigan?

Coach007
11-18-2018, 10:32 PM
So maybe academics was the issue at Michigan?

Yeah.. it's why he redshirted. Then his Grand mother passed away. Hit him pretty hard.

Commercecomet24
11-18-2018, 10:40 PM
Kids been through a lot. I hope he has success here.

BuckyIsAB****
11-18-2018, 11:40 PM
I don?t see Mingo happening. He?s pretty locked in on OM. Have to see what happens with that staff though.

Hall -75%
Mingo- 30%
Payton- 50%
Cross- 75%
Witherspoon- 75%

Haha no hes not. He might go to OM but if he really was ''locked in'' he'd sign in dec...hes not.

Hes the best player in the state. I havent seen the kid from Horn Lake but I'd take Jonathan Mingo over anyone

Coach007
11-18-2018, 11:53 PM
News on the Kelly Bryant front!

He spent a lot of time with Fitz. And that Kelly stated of all the coaches he has met with and talked to, Jo Moorhead impressed him the most.

It's looking pretty good right now.

Cooterpoot
11-19-2018, 12:00 AM
Mingo is not the best player in the state. You?re being a homer again. And it's not us that he's holding out for.

msudawglb
11-19-2018, 10:20 AM
News on the Kelly Bryant front!

He spent a lot of time with Fitz. And that Kelly stated of all the coaches he has met with and talked to, Jo Moorhead impressed him the most.

It's looking pretty good right now.


Please tell me that he didn't ring a cowbell at the game! We all know how Auburn can swoop in at the last moment and "win" a QB over.

Ari Gold
11-19-2018, 10:29 AM
Haha no hes not. He might go to OM but if he really was ''locked in'' he'd sign in dec...hes not.

Hes the best player in the state. I havent seen the kid from Horn Lake but I'd take Jonathan Mingo over anyone

If you were to have a NFL style draft for this instate recruiting class and MSU had the number one pick.
Nathan Pickering is the first player you take.

We have made up ground on Mingo and if goes to the Feb signing day our chances increase.

Irondawg
11-19-2018, 01:16 PM
Let's discuss this in-state class again. The top 10 are all over the board. From those of you that follow HS a little closer than myself I'm curious about a few things:

1) Who is over and under-rated?

2) Which 3 players do you think will have the best college careers?

3) I'm curious on the S'Ville kids Clemons and Edwards. Clemons blew up the camp scene and then haven't heard a peep from him. Edwards had a ton of high end offers and then looked horrible over the summer. How did they both end up looking during the season?

4) Russell was a bit odd in that he's a highly rated player that didn't camp much, was hurt some, didn't seem to have a great season but it still highly ranked. What's the skinny on him?


https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=MS

Really Clark?
11-19-2018, 02:08 PM
Boom...

SilentSteel16
11-19-2018, 02:11 PM
Bell just rang again, who is it?

Doggie_Style
11-19-2018, 02:39 PM
Bell just rang again, who is it?

Payton.....good get

Cooterpoot
11-19-2018, 02:45 PM
Payton is a really big get. We need a speed upgrade and he's got it.

Commercecomet24
11-19-2018, 02:53 PM
Payton can fly! Nice vertical threat here! Good get!

Cowbell
11-19-2018, 03:00 PM
Payton can fly! Nice vertical threat here! Good get!

I think this may seal the deal on us getting KB based on their reported friendship.

Commercecomet24
11-19-2018, 03:02 PM
I think this may seal the deal on us getting KB based on their reported friendship.

I think it may be a pre cursor to getting Bryant as well.

Commercecomet24
11-19-2018, 03:04 PM
This staff has worked extremely hard in recruiting and are developing great relationships with HS and Juco coaches. They also have a plan on who they want and how to go about getting it. Joe has seen we need more speed on the offensive side of the ball and he's going after it. There will be a few more good gets as the staff will close strong in recruiting.

Doggie_Style
11-19-2018, 03:26 PM
With Walker coming in, is Witherspoon still a take?

Commercecomet24
11-19-2018, 03:29 PM
With Walker coming in, is Witherspoon still a take?

Yes he is.

NCDawg
11-19-2018, 04:31 PM
OK, we should be pretty well stocked now at the skill positions, regardless of whether we get Bryant or not. I'm anxious to see some big, quality OL signing.

msbulldog
11-19-2018, 07:33 PM
Moved up to 19th in the 247 composite, love the top 20.

msudawglb
11-19-2018, 10:41 PM
Bryant has scheduled his last visit with Auburn. I knew better than to get my hopes up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/auburn.247sports.com/Article/Major-change-of-plans-for-Kelly-Bryant-Clemson-transfer-quarterback--125003409/Amp/

Leroy Jenkins
11-20-2018, 06:47 AM
Bryant has scheduled his last visit with Auburn. I knew better than to get my hopes up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/auburn.247sports.com/Article/Major-change-of-plans-for-Kelly-Bryant-Clemson-transfer-quarterback--125003409/Amp/


Gus took a projected 1st rounder in Stidham and turned him into a 5th rounder. Scouts said AU offense is too horizontal. Anyone looking to get things on tape for the NFL knows that too.

Dawgology
11-20-2018, 10:05 AM
Honestly...we will be fine with or w/o KB. I just don't see him as a high priority. A take, for sure, but I'm not going to cry and rend my clothes if he goes elsewhere. I think our future is better served using KT and prepping Schrader.

Lord McBuckethead
11-20-2018, 10:15 AM
Gus took a projected 1st rounder in Stidham and turned him into a 5th rounder. Scouts said AU offense is too horizontal. Anyone looking to get things on tape for the NFL knows that too.

And then there was Mitch Mustain

Johnson85
11-20-2018, 10:56 AM
Bryant has scheduled his last visit with Auburn. I knew better than to get my hopes up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/auburn.247sports.com/Article/Major-change-of-plans-for-Kelly-Bryant-Clemson-transfer-quarterback--125003409/Amp/

If Bryant just wants a guaranteed starting position and/or a quick paycheck, then we are probably out of luck. If he thinks he can make it to the NFL, then Auburn probably closes that door for him. No clue either way and I can't criticize him if he thinks the NFL is a long shot enough now, that taking a sizable payday from Auburn and enjoying the playing guaranteed playing time is the right call for him personally. Not sure what a one year transfer like him can get, but if it's $100k (which seems expensive considering Cam Newton was only $200k and was a much bigger impact player and potentially had two years of eligibility in the event he was good but not early NFL draft good, but you have to look at what they're on the hook for for Gus and how much a solid QB with any running ability would do for their system), then that's a nice little paycheck to leave college with if the NFL is not an option.

KOdawg1
11-20-2018, 12:28 PM
Not sure what a one year transfer like him can get, but if it's $100k (which seems expensive considering Cam Newton was only $200k and was a much bigger impact player and potentially had two years of eligibility in the event he was good but not early NFL draft good, but you have to look at what they're on the hook for for Gus and how much a solid QB with any running ability would do for their system), then that's a nice little paycheck to leave college with if the NFL is not an option.
This has to be the longest sentence in the history of time, lol

KOdawg1
11-20-2018, 01:16 PM
Pickering says he won't be enrolling or signing early

Great..

Ifyouonlyknew
11-20-2018, 01:22 PM
Pickering says he won't be enrolling or signing early

Great..

He was never enrolling early. We had quite a few kids say they weren't signing early last year that did. I expect Pickering will too.

Dildoes
11-20-2018, 01:22 PM
Pickering says he won't be enrolling or signing early

Great..

Can’t wait to watch some dumbass fans melting down at and around him on twitter

msstate7
11-20-2018, 01:23 PM
Pickering says he won't be enrolling or signing early

Great..

Cooter has been adamant that Pickering will be in this class, so I'll just trust him on that. If there's one player we don't need to lose though, it's Pickering.

BrunswickDawg
11-20-2018, 01:23 PM
And then there was Mitch Mustain

Don't forget Heisman Trophy winner Jeremy Johnson and the Next Sure Thing John Franklin III.

Commercecomet24
11-20-2018, 01:26 PM
Pickering is doing a job helping recruit for us. He's good.

Cooterpoot
11-20-2018, 02:55 PM
Nate's not going anywhere other than a vacation at some schools' expense. He'll be ready to sign with it's time.

Commercecomet24
11-20-2018, 03:14 PM
Nate's not going anywhere other than a vacation at some schools' expense. He'll be ready to sign with it's time.

Exactly. He's just having fun.

BeardoMSU
11-20-2018, 05:02 PM
Pickering is doing a job helping recruit for us. He's good.

What's his salary as recruiting consultant?**

Madisonmd
11-20-2018, 05:48 PM
a buddy talked to 3 SEC assistants early in the year , their consensus was Pickering is best player in state. Also, we may have a better than expected chance at Dean.

Pit Bull
11-20-2018, 05:54 PM
So, we added two pretty good 3 star players in Walker and Payton. Good gets. Would love to get Cross as well.

Ari Gold
11-20-2018, 06:15 PM
Every one needs to leave Jarrian and Pickering alone . Don’t worry where they go on visits if they do or what they throw out there on Twitter and if they decide not to sign early ... And for ****s Sake don’t tweet dumb shit at them. I know that will fall on deaf ears with some of you.
It’s all good with those 2. And to be honest this might end up being one of the least drama filled classes in a long time.
Lot of these guys are locked in to this university .
Let them be kids and enjoy the process.

msbulldog
11-20-2018, 06:51 PM
Every one needs to leave Jarrian and Pickering alone . Don’t worry where they go on visits if they do or what they throw out there on Twitter and if they decide not to sign early ... And for ****s Sake don’t tweet dumb shit at them. I know that will fall on deaf ears with some of you.
It’s all good with those 2. And to be honest this might end up being one of the least drama filled classes in a long time.
Lot of these guys are locked in to this university .
Let them be kids and enjoy the process.

Excellent advice Ari! +1

Commercecomet24
11-20-2018, 07:05 PM
Every one needs to leave Jarrian and Pickering alone . Don’t worry where they go on visits if they do or what they throw out there on Twitter and if they decide not to sign early ... And for ****s Sake don’t tweet dumb shit at them. I know that will fall on deaf ears with some of you.
It’s all good with those 2. And to be honest this might end up being one of the least drama filled classes in a long time.
Lot of these guys are locked in to this university .
Let them be kids and enjoy the process.

You're absolutely 100% correct on all this,Let em enjoy the process. They're good.

LC Dawg
11-20-2018, 08:59 PM
Cross just decommitted.

Commercecomet24
11-20-2018, 09:01 PM
Only a matter of time on cross.

BuckyIsAB****
11-20-2018, 09:27 PM
Mingo is not the best player in the state. You?re being a homer again. And it's not us that he's holding out for.

Ok

BuckyIsAB****
11-20-2018, 09:28 PM
If you were to have a NFL style draft for this instate recruiting class and MSU had the number one pick.
Nathan Pickering is the first player you take.

We have made up ground on Mingo and if goes to the Feb signing day our chances increase.

It will go to Feb and Mingo would be mine. And its not close

Turfdawg67
11-20-2018, 09:37 PM
Double post... cmon down cross!!

ShotgunDawg
11-20-2018, 09:41 PM
Cross Decommit

https://goo.gl/images/oKCB1v

Turfdawg67
11-20-2018, 09:47 PM
What's his salary as recruiting consultant?**

https://i.postimg.cc/dt5hXqJb/BB97-DFCD-AF9-D-443-C-8-EA6-34016688-F6-BA.jpg

Pay zat man...

Cooterpoot
11-20-2018, 09:53 PM
He’s not going to be the last decommit. I think you’re going to see a couple more next couple weeks. Just depends on a couple things happening. Not saying we’re getting those kids but we’ll see. I know we won’t one if it goes down.

HoopsDawg
11-20-2018, 09:59 PM
It will go to Feb and Mingo would be mine. And its not close

To me, the top 5 players in the state are Pickering, Dean, Young, Mingo, and Turnage. I don't count Ealy bc he won't play in college.

Ifyouonlyknew
11-20-2018, 10:00 PM
To me, the top 5 players in the state are Pickering, Dean, Young, Mingo, and Turnage. I don't count Ealy bc he won't play in college.

Personally I'd put Jarrian in place of Turnage but I ain't mad at that 5.

ShotgunDawg
11-20-2018, 10:02 PM
To me, the top 5 players in the state are Pickering, Dean, Young, Mingo, and Turnage. I don't count Ealy bc he won't play in college.

Not liking that Bama will get more of those than us.

HoopsDawg
11-20-2018, 10:08 PM
Not liking that Bama will get more of those than us.

Yep. I like our class but hard to get too excited unless we can get one more of the top 5 to go along with Cross and Hall.

bulldawg28
11-20-2018, 10:13 PM
Yep. I like our class but hard to get too excited unless we can get one more of the top 5 to go along with Cross and Hall.

How can you not be excited with the commited class is the question? It's LOADED with talent! I don't care what the rankings say this is shaping up to be one of the best in MSU history.

ShotgunDawg
11-20-2018, 10:21 PM
How can you not be excited with the commited class is the question? It's LOADED with talent! I don't care what the rankings say this is shaping up to be one of the best in MSU history.

I think your both right. It's gonna be a really good class but if the goal is to get closer to Bama, then it sucks when they get more of your state's top 5 than you do.

Cooterpoot
11-20-2018, 10:28 PM
I think your both right. It's gonna be a really good class but if the goal is to get closer to Bama, then it sucks when they get more of your state's top 5 than you do.

Bama better not be counting them chickens just yet.

bulldawg28
11-20-2018, 10:29 PM
I think your both right. It's gonna be a really good class but if the goal is to get closer to Bama, then it sucks when they get more of your state's top 5 than you do.

You're talking 2 players that are a coin toss or opinion based as to which are better. The other Ms guys we'll sign are equally talented guys. There is no dropoff. If there were I would see the point.

Commercecomet24
11-20-2018, 10:30 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/dt5hXqJb/BB97-DFCD-AF9-D-443-C-8-EA6-34016688-F6-BA.jpg

Pay zat man...

Nathan been working cross and a couple others. Pickering has really been big with this class of recruits

Turfdawg67
11-20-2018, 10:30 PM
Not liking that Bama will get more of those than us.

Well, win/claim 37 Natl Championships and we'll get them all.

Commercecomet24
11-20-2018, 10:32 PM
Bama better not be counting them chickens just yet.

Y'all listen to cooter this recruiting season ain't over by a long stretch. Gonna be a good un y'all!

ShotgunDawg
11-20-2018, 10:37 PM
Bama better not be counting them chickens just yet.

Well....aight

Hambone
11-20-2018, 10:54 PM
Richardson seems to be a obvious option for a dropped commit, but with the way things are going are we going to see a few “decommits” to make room for the incoming commits?

HoopsDawg
11-20-2018, 11:14 PM
Richardson seems to be a obvious option for a dropped commit, but with the way things are going are we going to see a few “decommits” to make room for the incoming commits?

Cunningham has some work to do. That gives us 6 open spots. And KB doesn't count against that number.

BuckyIsAB****
11-20-2018, 11:28 PM
All of yall wanting a damn good OL in this class have one and you dont realize it. Cunningham from St. Martin was the best high school OL I saw this year when he wanted to play. He has a lazy streak and he may RS but he is as talented as they come

Bully13
11-21-2018, 03:24 AM
SPS saying 4 star Charles Cross from Laurel MS decommissioned from FSU

MetEdDawg
11-21-2018, 07:30 AM
Twitter retweet I saw from Tru Maroon Nation was Pickering retweeting the tweet Cross made about his decommit from FSU. He said "you know the move bro" with a bulldog emoji after it.

Some of you may be saying I don't know what the 17 that means but as a guy that teaches a bunch of high schoolers he's telling Cross he need to commit to us.

Hambone
11-21-2018, 07:37 AM
I know he doesn’t count. But let’s put this hypothetical out there... Say we get the following: Cross, Witherspoon, Hall, Mingo, Ealy, Turner and the big OL from Indiana Dawand Jones. I know the numbers work themselves out (therefor answering my own question). Seems possible to me

msbulldog
11-21-2018, 08:01 AM
I know he doesn’t count. But let’s put this hypothetical out there... Say we get the following: Cross, Witherspoon, Hall, Mingo, Ealy, Turner and the big OL from Indiana Dawand Jones. I know the numbers work themselves out (therefor answering my own question). Seems possible to me

If we added Hall, Cross, Witherspoon, Ealy, Turnage, D. Jones, Mingo it would take our 247 point total from 229.03
presently to 259.07 minus the 2 low level recruits we would have to process to have 25 signees. 259.07 points would raise us from 19th to 10th in recruiting rankings presently.

StateDawg44
11-21-2018, 08:26 AM
Twitter retweet I saw from Tru Maroon Nation was Pickering retweeting the tweet Cross made about his decommit from FSU. He said "you know the move bro" with a bulldog emoji after it.

Some of you may be saying I don't know what the 17 that means but as a guy that teaches a bunch of high schoolers he's telling Cross he need to commit to us.

Obviously. That's pretty much spelled out.

chef dixon
11-21-2018, 08:32 AM
Is Richardson a foregone drop? We seem to do well getting these O-lineman ready once they get here.

Coursesuper
11-21-2018, 09:40 AM
All of yall wanting a damn good OL in this class have one and you dont realize it. Cunningham from St. Martin was the best high school OL I saw this year when he wanted to play. He has a lazy streak and he may RS but he is as talented as they come

Correct, tons of up side but plays when he wants too. Been watching him since 9th grade.

Irondawg
11-21-2018, 10:15 AM
Since we're back on instate recruiting rankings i'm going to ask this again. I did the other day but right after i did Payton committed and it got lost:

Let's discuss this in-state class again. The top 10 are all over the board. From those of you that follow HS a little closer than myself I'm curious about a few things:

1) Who is over and under-rated?

2) Which 3 players do you think will have the best college careers?

3) I'm curious on the S'Ville kids Clemons and Edwards. Clemons blew up the camp scene and then haven't heard a peep from him. Edwards had a ton of high end offers and then looked horrible over the summer. How did they both end up looking during the season?

4) Russell was a bit odd in that he's a highly rated player that didn't camp much, was hurt some, didn't seem to have a great season but it still highly ranked. What's the skinny on him?


https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Fo...chool&State=MS

ShotgunDawg
11-21-2018, 10:18 AM
If we added Hall, Cross, Witherspoon, Ealy, Turnage, D. Jones, Mingo it would take our 247 point total from 229.03
presently to 259.07 minus the 2 low level recruits we would have to process to have 25 signees. 259.07 points would raise us from 19th to 10th in recruiting rankings presently.

Makes no sense to see where we'd rank currently. Have to compare that point total to where that point total finished last year. It's a more accurate prediction.

ShotgunDawg
11-21-2018, 10:21 AM
Looking at the class calculator, it appears as though we are destined to finish somewhere between 17-21 in the rankings, which is at the upper end of what we've ever done, but not really in a different lane than what we are used to.

Until you can crack into the 5 star cartel, you simply can't put together a top 12 caliber class.

msudawglb
11-21-2018, 10:21 AM
I bet we get a commitment today. No inside knowledge here, just a gut feeling.

Commercecomet24
11-21-2018, 10:29 AM
Looking at the class calculator, it appears as though we are destined to finish somewhere between 17-21 in the rankings, which is at the upper end of what we've ever done, but not really in a different lane than what we are used to.

Until you can crack into the 5 star cartel, you simply can't put together a top 12 caliber class.

Yeah but this class we have is loaded with talent. I'm not worried about what number we finish up in the rankings(as long as we don't lose any good ones) because the talent we have coming in this class is pretty spiffy. We will add some more talent before its over too.

KOdawg1
11-21-2018, 10:32 AM
What about Jordan Jernigan? I know at one point, some said he could be a flip for us, but haven't heard his name much since.

ShotgunDawg
11-21-2018, 10:34 AM
Yeah but this class we have is loaded with talent. I'm not worried about what number we finish up in the rankings(as long as we don't lose any good ones) because the talent we have coming in this class is pretty spiffy. We will add some more talent before its over too.

Completely agree. It's gonna be a really good class that continues to build our program. We know that Mississippi kids & JUCO kids are typically underrated so us finishing 17-21 in recruiting is probably equivalent to a 13-16 type class in reality. That being said though, we will still be out talented by the freaks that Bama, LSU, & UGA get.

I do feel as though we are gaining on Auburn & A&M's rankings are the opposite of Mississippi & JUCO guys.

msu15
11-21-2018, 10:34 AM
What about Jordan Jernigan? I know at one point, some said he could be a flip for us, but haven't heard his name much since.

I wasn't impressed with the game I watched him play

Commercecomet24
11-21-2018, 10:39 AM
Completely agree. It's gonna be a really good class that continues to build our program. We know that Mississippi kids & JUCO kids are typically underrated so us finishing 17-21 in recruiting is probably equivalent to a 13-16 type class in reality. That being said though, we will still be out talented by the freaks that Bama, LSU, & UGA get.

I do feel as though we are gaining on Auburn & A&M's rankings are the opposite of Mississippi & JUCO guys.

Good assessment, I really believe we are gaining on LSU too. Bama and UGA with all those 5 stars they're getting is ridiculous. With what we have on campus and the talent in this class we are gonna have a pretty dang good roster! Can't letup though as the war for recruiting never ends.

Cooterpoot
11-21-2018, 10:42 AM
The only teams in the SEC we haven't been able to play with are AL and GA. Those are two of the top 5 recruiting teams in America. I don't care what LSU or FL or A&M are ranked. They're propped up. We can play with them. We've proven that already.

Commercecomet24
11-21-2018, 10:44 AM
The only teams in the SEC we haven't been able to play with are AL and GA. Those are two of the top 5 recruiting teams in America. I don't care what LSU or FL or A&M are ranked. They're propped up. We can play with them. We've proven that already.

This is how i see it as well. I only see Bama and UGA with a talent edge on us. We have become an upper half of the SEC program. I'm enjoying this new era.

Cooterpoot
11-21-2018, 10:45 AM
Assuming we get Cross and Hall, the only guys in MS I'd like to grab would be Young and Mingo. Dean and Turnage would be good too, but give me Young and Mingo over what's left out there. And we know Young and Dean aren't a possibility. There's a bit of a debate on whether Mingo and Turnage are though.

ShotgunDawg
11-21-2018, 10:45 AM
The only teams in the SEC we haven't been able to play with are AL and GA. Those are two of the top 5 recruiting teams in America. I don't care what LSU or FL or A&M are ranked. They're propped up. We can play with them. We've proven that already.

The difference to me is that LSU, Auburn, & A&M have holes on their roster. So when you play them there are legitimate ways to exploit them. However, UGA & Bama are so loaded across the board that there is simply no hole on the roster to attack

Cooterpoot
11-21-2018, 10:49 AM
LSU and AU are up and down. They'll have big years and down years. They're not AL. A&M hasn't proven a damn thing yet. FL is stuck with Dan's recruiting. TN is more our speed but we're ahead of them pretty considerably right now.

Commercecomet24
11-21-2018, 10:52 AM
Assuming we get Cross and Hall, the only guys in MS I'd like to grab would be Young and Mingo. Dean and Turnage would be good too, but give me Young and Mingo over what's left out there. And we know Young and Dean aren't a possibility. There's a bit of a debate on whether Mingo and Turnage are though.

Cross and Hall are gonna be big gets for us. I wish we could get Byron too but he's not coming(and he's still talking UF). I hear Mingo is still in play and would love to get him. Turnage is still a possibility.

Dawg-gone-dawgs
11-21-2018, 11:15 AM
Cross and Hall are gonna be big gets for us. I wish we could get Byron too but he's not coming(and he's still talking UF). I hear Mingo is still in play and would love to get him. Turnage is still a possibility.

Turnage is definitely a possibility......the Tide is Turnag....ahem turning!!!

Commercecomet24
11-21-2018, 11:44 AM
Turnage is definitely a possibility......the Tide is Turnag....ahem turning!!!

Absolutely! We have some real leaders in our commits who are doing work to get others on board. Not only is this classed filled with talent there are some real leader in it as well.

KOdawg1
11-21-2018, 11:57 AM
Do we have a better chance at Turnage than Ole Miss does? It'd be awesome to pull a 4 star out of Oxford. Little payback for AJ

Bully13
11-21-2018, 12:02 PM
What would be cool is if we could add an extra section to page 1 regarding remaining offers out and the % chance we have to land them. Something like a 90% group, 70-89 , 50-69. So on and so forth. IYOK would be good at that.

Cooterpoot
11-21-2018, 01:21 PM
Do we have a better chance at Turnage than Ole Miss does? It'd be awesome to pull a 4 star out of Oxford. Little payback for AJ

Yes, but it's still pretty slim.

Interpolation_Dawg_EX
11-21-2018, 04:28 PM
Assuming we get Cross and Hall, the only guys in MS I'd like to grab would be Young and Mingo. Dean and Turnage would be good too, but give me Young and Mingo over what's left out there. And we know Young and Dean aren't a possibility. There's a bit of a debate on whether Mingo and Turnage are though.

Sorry if it's been discussed, but what about Handy? It would suck for both him and Young to go out of state.

msbulldog
11-21-2018, 04:29 PM
Makes no sense to see where we'd rank currently. Have to compare that point total to where that point total finished last year. It's a more accurate prediction.

Do your own calculations Gun if you don't like mine!

Cooterpoot
11-21-2018, 04:33 PM
Sorry if it's been discussed, but what about Handy? It would suck for both him and Young to go out of state.

I'll just be honest, we don't need Handy. He's, shall we say, overrated.

Lord McBuckethead
11-21-2018, 04:34 PM
Since we're back on instate recruiting rankings i'm going to ask this again. I did the other day but right after i did Payton committed and it got lost:

Let's discuss this in-state class again. The top 10 are all over the board. From those of you that follow HS a little closer than myself I'm curious about a few things:

1) Who is over and under-rated?

2) Which 3 players do you think will have the best college careers?

3) I'm curious on the S'Ville kids Clemons and Edwards. Clemons blew up the camp scene and then haven't heard a peep from him. Edwards had a ton of high end offers and then looked horrible over the summer. How did they both end up looking during the season?

4) Russell was a bit odd in that he's a highly rated player that didn't camp much, was hurt some, didn't seem to have a great season but it still highly ranked. What's the skinny on him?


https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Fo...chool&State=MS

Just wanted to bump this question.

Lord McBuckethead
11-21-2018, 04:35 PM
I would rather not list any players as over rated. Let our staff make those determinations, not us fans.

Cooterpoot
11-21-2018, 04:38 PM
I would rather not list any players as over rated. Let our staff make those determinations, not us fans.

Well, we aren't pushing for him. I'd say that pretty much says it. But to be fair, he's had a pretty rough family life. He's got the ability but if he wasn't committed to AU, his ranking would've dropped last round of reviews.

msbulldog
11-21-2018, 05:06 PM
I'll just be honest, we don't need Handy. He's, shall we say, overrated.

You are a hero, down talking high school kids.

Cooterpoot
11-21-2018, 05:13 PM
You are a hero, down talking high school kids.

It's my opinion. I value it way more than yours.

Lord McBuckethead
11-21-2018, 06:59 PM
Well, we aren't pushing for him. I'd say that pretty much says it. But to be fair, he's had a pretty rough family life. He's got the ability but if he wasn't committed to AU, his ranking would've dropped last round of reviews.

Not sure who you were referring to, but I was saying in reference to the questions posted. No need to list the over rated ones.

msbulldog
11-21-2018, 07:58 PM
It's my opinion. I value it way more than yours.

Yes, I would suspect you would value your own opinion highly.

Cooterpoot
11-21-2018, 08:40 PM
Yes, I would suspect you would value your own opinion highly.

When I’m right I’m right. If it hurts your feelings, I apologize.

timotheus
11-22-2018, 02:17 PM
Hey guys, is Charles Cross a good lean toward MSU now that he's dropped FSU?

Bully13
11-22-2018, 02:30 PM
Hey guys, is Charles Cross a good lean toward MSU now that he's dropped FSU?

that's what the crowd in the know is chattering about.

Lord McBuckethead
11-22-2018, 07:06 PM
Good deal. Hope Cross would announce right after our game tonight

Ari Gold
11-22-2018, 11:21 PM
Cross has been a lean here for weeks now..

Cooterpoot
11-22-2018, 11:44 PM
Going to be a lot of interesting news next week or two...enjoy!

SandlotDawg
11-22-2018, 11:49 PM
Saw mingo’s tweet back to Jarrian today... I know we still have time to work on him, but it is so confusing to see how a kid can be all in with Ole Miss. especially after seeing their performance tonight and what they will be in the years to come.

ShotgunDawg
11-23-2018, 12:32 AM
Saw mingo’s tweet back to Jarrian today... I know we still have time to work on him, but it is so confusing to see how a kid can be all in with Ole Miss. especially after seeing their performance tonight and what they will be in the years to come.

Let's wait and see what happens when Longo leaves soon.

Todd4State
11-23-2018, 01:58 AM
Let's wait and see what happens when Longo leaves soon.

Yep. Could be a lot of turnover coming for them- especially on the offensive side of the ball.

Commercecomet24
11-23-2018, 02:08 AM
I'm telling y'all we are going to have a very Merry Christmas. Might as well get used to it. JoMo and staff are changing the way things are done. This staff can recruit, they have a plan, they know what talent they need and they know how to get it. It's a new era.

ShotgunDawg
11-23-2018, 10:19 AM
Any recruiting news that could happen by the end of the weekend?

If so, what?

Homedawg
11-23-2018, 09:37 PM
Cunningham has some work to do. That gives us 6 open spots. And KB doesn't count against that number.

I've been saying for months this is a huge understatement. His odds are beyond awful. But Steve and Paul say.......

Bully13
11-23-2018, 10:14 PM
I've been saying for months this is a huge understatement. His odds are beyond awful. But Steve and Paul say.......

I prefer "has some work to do" as opposed to "beyond awful". just saying.

Pit Bull
11-24-2018, 12:56 AM
Saw mingo’s tweet back to Jarrian today... I know we still have time to work on him, but it is so confusing to see how a kid can be all in with Ole Miss. especially after seeing their performance tonight and what they will be in the years to come.

This is how...….$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Hambone
11-24-2018, 09:56 AM
How merry of a Christmas? When do you think these dominos will start to fall?

msstate7
11-24-2018, 10:47 AM
How merry of a Christmas? When do you think these dominos will start to fall?

When there's a No Vacancy sign at the Bethlehem Inn, be ready

ShotgunDawg
11-24-2018, 11:00 AM
When there's a No Vacancy sign at the Bethlehem Inn, be ready

Hmmmmm. Somebody gonna get dropped?

msstate7
11-24-2018, 11:02 AM
Hmmmmm. Somebody gonna get dropped?

No, I'm just in the Christmas spirit haha

ETA... it would've been BA if that really were the case, but I'm not that cryptic

Cooterpoot
11-24-2018, 11:26 AM
I’ve said Mingo isn’t happening and I still believe that barring something crazy. He’s all over the draft angle they’re selling and we can’t offer that.

ShotgunDawg
11-24-2018, 11:34 AM
I’ve said Mingo isn’t happening and I still believe that barring something crazy. He’s all over the draft angle they’re selling and we can’t offer that.

Can’t make a kid care about winning. He’s signing up to play for Arkansas Part Deux

maroonmania
11-24-2018, 11:39 AM
I?ve said Mingo isn?t happening and I still believe that barring something crazy. He?s all over the draft angle they?re selling and we can?t offer that.

I've learned that WRs are by far the most narcissistic bunch out there. For most of them, as long as they are getting thrown to and being talked about and their draftability is good they really could not care less about being on a team worth a crap. That's why OM can continue to recruit good WRs even though the program is going down in flames.

Todd4State
11-24-2018, 05:30 PM
I've learned that WRs are by far the most narcissistic bunch out there. For most of them, as long as they are getting thrown to and being talked about and their draftability is good they really could not care less about being on a team worth a crap. That's why OM can continue to recruit good WRs even though the program is going down in flames.

Exactly.

Todd4State
11-24-2018, 05:36 PM
I’ve said Mingo isn’t happening and I still believe that barring something crazy. He’s all over the draft angle they’re selling and we can’t offer that.

I think we are doing the right things to rectify it though. We have a WR coach from the NFL. We are throwing the ball more. I also think that going the JUCO route and guys like Guidry having success will help. And hopefully Payton too.

Hopefully our staff is mentioning that the only reason that they are keeping Longo around is so that they will sign with Ole Miss and that he is about to be gone.

Lord McBuckethead
11-24-2018, 09:12 PM
We have everything going for us. Need to keep the key coaches intact, highlight UMs mess at every opportunity and make our case. I would love for the defensive staff to stay completely intact for this year. Got to make Shoop the happiest guy on the planet.

KOdawg1
11-25-2018, 12:52 AM
A list of our commits/targets that are signing early would be nice so we can divide them into December and February signees.

Things seem to be lining up for a strong finish.

yjnkdawg
11-26-2018, 12:40 AM
I?ve said Mingo isn?t happening and I still believe that barring something crazy. He?s all over the draft angle they?re selling and we can?t offer that.


Any OM receivers who have played under Longo, when they see an NFL playbook, it won't have anything even similar to what they saw in the OM playbook. They can put receivers in the NFL, based on their skill set before they got to OM. There is no development up there on offense to help anybody get to the next level. Hopefully Mingo will finally realize this unless he is just determined to go to OM.

yjnkdawg
11-26-2018, 12:52 AM
I think we are doing the right things to rectify it though. We have a WR coach from the NFL. We are throwing the ball more. I also think that going the JUCO route and guys like Guidry having success will help. And hopefully Payton too.

Hopefully our staff is mentioning that the only reason that they are keeping Longo around is so that they will sign with Ole Miss and that he is about to be gone.


You would think that potential recruits could finally see through the smoke on how Om operates on these types of situations. Especially after Tom Mars got involved in player transfers.