2019 Recruiting Thread

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I obviously can't count past one.

Are we expecting Heath to be a december 2019 graduate by chance? Be nice to have him on campus for the spring. I guess I am assuming we are still expecting to offer and for him to come?

Yes he's expected to get out in December. We've offered & we expect him back.

[ShotgunDawg]

If we finish inside top 20, I'll be impressed.

That would be about the ceiling of what we've shown we are capable of.

As I posted last week, our uptick in talent is mostly due to more consistently recruiting in the top 25 rather than the recruiting volatility we've seen on other eras of MSU football. However, we haven't really done much to increase our ceiling as a program.

Point being, we could recruit 15-25 for 10 straight years & have 35+ 4 & 5 star recruits on the roster & in any given season only 1-3 players that could start for Bama. It is what it is I guess

This year, with one of our better rosters, how many could start for Bama?

Simmons
Sweat at some position
Jenkins

Anyone else?

[msstate7]

That would be about the ceiling of what we've shown we are capable of.

As I posted last week, our uptick in talent is mostly due to more consistently recruiting in the top 25 rather than the recruiting volatility we've seen on other eras of MSU football. However, we haven't really done much to increase our ceiling as a program.

Point being, we could recruit 15-25 for 10 straight years & have 35+ 4 & 5 star recruits on the roster & in any given season only 1-3 players that could start for Bama. It is what it is I guess

This year, with one of our better rosters, how many could start for Bama?

Simmons
Sweat at some position
Jenkins

Anyone else?

This is why I wish we could RS guys like whop and Murphy. They weren't ready this year; but if you can sell them on RSing, we can potentially equalize some of the talent deficit with experience

[Doggie_Style]

This is why I wish we could RS guys like whop and Murphy. They weren't ready this year; but if you can sell them on RSing, we can potentially equalize some of the talent deficit with experience

Great point!

[BeardoMSU]

This is why I wish we could RS guys like whop and Murphy.

Just so you can bitch about them a year longer***

[ShotgunDawg]

This is why I wish we could RS guys like whop and Murphy. They weren't ready this year; but if you can sell them on RSing, we can potentially equalize some of the talent deficit with experience

I hear you, but that gets around the conference & makes it more difficult to recruit.

I think you have to play players that can help your team or you'll struggle to recruit those types of players.

[msstate7]

Just so you can bitch about them a year longer***

Exactly.

[msbulldog]

Do we not have a chance at Peques? Wasn't it his brother that was a standout CB for us under Croom?

Correct, Derrick Peques outstanding player!

[msbulldog]

It has been a great day for MSU, Espinoza-Hunter cleared to play and 2 top 5 4-star 2020 football commits, making MSU #17 in 2020 team rankings! Hail State!

[Cooterpoot]

Correct, Derrick Peques outstanding player!

Not brothers

[ZedFedder]

Javorrious Selmon makes it #3 for the 2020 class. Another 4 star.

[ShotgunDawg]

Javorrious Selmon makes it #3 for the 2020 class. Another 4 star.

Another huge get.

JoMo getting an early great start on 2020

[msbulldog]

Javorrious Selmon makes it #3 for the 2020 class. Another 4 star.

We also have Trenton Yowe 3 star safety and Johnquarise Patterson JUCO WR.

https://247sports.com/college/mississippi-state/Season/2020-Football/Commits/

[ShotgunDawg]

We also have Trenton Yowe 3 star safety and Johnquarise Patterson JUCO WR.

https://247sports.com/college/mississippi-state/Season/2020-Football/Commits/

And soon to have Heath

[KOdawg1]

Gregory Brooks is visiting Arky this weekend. I think they have a good chance of flipping him.

[ShotgunDawg]

Gregory Brooks is visiting Arky this weekend. I think they have a good chance of flipping him.

What makes YOU think that? Are you an insider?

[Hambone]

Not saying they are, however I think they currently have the 13th ranked class in the nation.... Morris is doing SOMETHING over there. I know he’s known as an elite recruiter but damn.

[Really Clark?]

Not saying they are, however I think they currently have the 13th ranked class in the nation.... Morris is doing SOMETHING over there. I know he’s known as an elite recruiter but damn.

Their ranking is 16th I believe but you have to look at rankings this time of year by the number of commits as well. They are already at 23 so the total points is higher than some teams per player avg just because of how many they have committed. We are almost identical but have 4 less commitments. Same number of 4 stars. Not taking away Morris recruiting, doing well but he is doing almost the exact same as Moorehead and about where Ark has been recently anyway.

[SouthMSDog]

What makes YOU think that? Are you an insider?


Is this sarcasm?

[HoopsCoach21]

This is why I wish we could RS guys like whop and Murphy. They weren't ready this year; but if you can sell them on RSing, we can potentially equalize some of the talent deficit with experience

With what we've gotten production wise from Whop I would have loved to have redshirted him too. But hindsight is 20/20 and considering the performance of our WRs this year can you imagine the what would be said about our coaches if he had redshirted? "WHY AIN'T WHOP PLAYIN'?!?!?!?! OUR RECEIVERS SUCK AND OUR DUMBASS COACHES ARE REDSHIRTING A 4 STAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I agree with you overall but with our WR core this year wasn't the year for redshirts. Hopefully as we build a little more depth we will be able to redshirt more of these guys that aren't quite ready.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

With what we've gotten production wise from Whop I would have loved to have redshirted him too. But hindsight is 20/20 and considering the performance of our WRs this year can you imagine the what would be said about our coaches if he had redshirted? "WHY AIN'T WHOP PLAYIN'?!?!?!?! OUR RECEIVERS SUCK AND OUR DUMBASS COACHES ARE REDSHIRTING A 4 STAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I agree with you overall but with our WR core this year wasn't the year for redshirts. Hopefully as we build a little more depth we will be able to redshirt more of these guys that aren't quite ready.

Just like how we bitched all offseason about how dumb-ass Mullen redshirted Austin Williams. Williams gets a whole other year in a college program and proceeds to do jack shit through 9 games. Mullen clearly knew he wasn't ready for a real game, but all of us fans (myself included) heard how good he is in practice and bought the hype.

You're absolutely right Hoops, if Whop was redshirting everyone would be bitching about it

[Cooterpoot]

I'm ok with both playing, because they need to be ready to be big contributors in year 2. You don't get that game experience by redshirting. You redshirt the ones not physically ready. Times have changed and you can't redshirt your top recruits as much anymore. Especially if they're skilled.

[KOdawg1]

What makes YOU think that? Are you an insider?
Not sure what the 17 you mean by this, but he's visiting them this weekend, Morris has been tearing it up, and I just wouldn't be surprised if he flipped. No I'm not an insider and don't claim to be. But no recruit is 100% committed to you if they're still taking official visits.

[Cooterpoot]

Brooks is coming to Vegas next week and will see us lay the damn hammer down on Arkansas. 10 hours to 4 hours from home. Opportunity to play pretty early at both schools IMO. I don't see him flipping but I don't know a damn thing about him either. Usually a move like that involves a connection of some kind.

[KOdawg1]

Brooks is coming to Vegas next week and will see us lay the damn hammer down on Arkansas. 10 hours to 4 hours from home. Opportunity to play pretty early at both schools IMO. I don't see him flipping but I don't know a damn thing about him either. Usually a move like that involves a connection of some kind.
Well you know more than me, so maybe you're right. We shall see.

[WPS]

Their ranking is 16th I believe but you have to look at rankings this time of year by the number of commits as well. They are already at 23 so the total points is higher than some teams per player avg just because of how many they have committed. We are almost identical but have 4 less commitments. Same number of 4 stars. Not taking away Morris recruiting, doing well but he is doing almost the exact same as Moorehead and about where Ark has been recently anyway.

The #13 ranking is on Rivals, but not many use them anymore. One more 4* would move Arkansas up to #9 on there though. Pretty crazy considering Arkansas will probably finish 2-10. The SEC West is just brutal. Arkansas is having its best recruiting year in decades and still could end up a close 6th in the division.

De'Monte Russell is visiting with Brooks which surprised me, didn't even know Arkansas was on his radar. Hogs already have 9 DL committed so not sure how many more they need lol.


Usually a move like that involves a connection of some kind.

Arkansas MLB De'Jon Harris is from Harvey, La. too so I think they know each other pretty well.

[Cooterpoot]

Yeah, I don't see him flipping. Looks like a trip for him and Russell to me.

[Johnson85]

Correct, Derrick Peques outstanding player!

I'm pretty sure our Free Safety "Peques" was actually "Pegues". So dobut there is any relation unless the current recruit is actually "Pegues" also.

[Jack Lambert]

2020 is sounding good but about about 2019? It is getting close to the early signing period and only have 19 commitments.

[Cooterpoot]

Well you know more than me, so maybe you're right. We shall see.

I don't anything about him really. I'm just guessing here. That's just a long way from home to play for a terrible team.

[Doggie_Style]

2020 is sounding good but about about 2019? It is getting close to the early signing period and only have 19 commitments.

Witherspoon, Cross, Mingo, Hall, Dewand Jones, Dylan Lawrence(maybe)....that would add six and drop Richardson makes 25

[Cooterpoot]

Payton/Mingo, not Lawrence

[Doggie_Style]

Payton/Mingo, not Lawrence

that would be awesome, just don't think we get Payton.....hope I'm wrong

[Ari Gold]

If we can close Cross, Pendley and Jones with the OL I think we then drop Richardson.
That would be very strong OL group

Outside of OL
I expect Hall and Witherspoon

Wild cards are
Payton, Mingo , Turnage all are takes ... would like to pull one of these.

And I still bet we have a surprise or 2. Especially if Brooks flips to Arky. And I bet it comes from the juco ranks or a transfer.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

If we can close Cross, Pendley and Jones with the OL I think we then drop Richardson.
That would be very strong OL group

We would definitely take that & smile.

[msbulldog]

I'm pretty sure our Free Safety "Peques" was actually "Pegues". So dobut there is any relation unless the current recruit is actually "Pegues" also.

I mis typed should have been a 'g'. The athlete is Jeremiah Pegues.

[ZedFedder]

Turnage is all Bama.

[Ari Gold]

Turnage is all Bama.

Everyone thought Cross was all FSU as well. Turnage May very well end up at Bama and odds are he will but he isn’t as locked into Bama as most think .

[Commercecomet24]

Everyone thought Cross was all FSU as well. Turnage May very well end up at Bama and odds are he will but he isn’t as locked into Bama as most think .

This is correct. We still in the game.

[DLGDawg]

We(East Webster) played Philadelphia tonight. Griffin had a pretty bad injury to his ankle/lower leg. Not sure. Carried off the field. Left for hospital at halftime.
Anyone know any details? I didn?t find anyone at the game who knew.

He showed out in first half. Long TD run. Kid can fly.

[deltapta]

Rose bowl & Paul Jones both just CB’d Derick Hall to the good guys

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We(East Webster) played Philadelphia tonight. Griffin had a pretty bad injury to his ankle/lower leg. Not sure. Carried off the field. Left for hospital at halftime.
Anyone know any details? I didn?t find anyone at the game who knew.

He showed out in first half. Long TD run. Kid can fly.

He broke his ankle. Right now they don't think surgery will be required but he's going to see the Dr tomorrow.

[Bothrops]

We(East Webster) played Philadelphia tonight. Griffin had a pretty bad injury to his ankle/lower leg. Not sure. Carried off the field. Left for hospital at halftime.
Anyone know any details? I didn?t find anyone at the game who knew.

He showed out in first half. Long TD run. Kid can fly.

Damn. Does anyone have an update?

[msstate7]

After the play, he jumped up quickly and hopped off the field with the foot in the air. I didn't think it was a very big deal at first, but then I saw them icing it down and pulling off his shoulder pads.

He's a good looking player. He smoked an east Webster kid that looked to have the angle on him. He caught a pass too in the middle of the field that was contested... really nice catch. I'm excited about him

[Bothrops]

Damn. Does anyone have an update?

Just read where Lideatrick Griffin broke his ankle tonight.

[DLGDawg]

He broke his ankle. Right now they don't think surgery will be required but he's going to see the Dr tomorrow.
Like ms7 said, he hopped off the field. I don?t think it was one of those grotesque breaks. Just a regular broken ankle(if there is such a thing). Hopefully it will heal up and he?ll be back for his senior year.

[hacker]

Witherspoon playoff update:

Lee Witherspoon ran 15 times for 236 yards and five touchdowns, breaking another AHSAA record in the process, as North Jackson beat visiting Curry 47-6 in the first round of the Class 4A playoffs.

[msstate7]

Witherspoon playoff update:

Lee Witherspoon ran 15 times for 236 yards and five touchdowns, breaking another AHSAA record in the process, as North Jackson beat visiting Curry 47-6 in the first round of the Class 4A playoffs.

Is he gonna be in the ms al all star game?

[hacker]

Is he gonna be in the ms al all star game?

Yep

[msstate7]

Yep

If he continues to be this type of player that week, he'll probably blow up. That's the week chris Jones exploded

[Cooterpoot]

The AL schools aren’t going to offer Witherspoon. TN is who we’ve got to worry about. TN has some influence at his school and that’s the offer he’s after. We need him to commit next week.

[KOdawg1]

The AL schools aren’t going to offer Witherspoon. TN is who we’ve got to worry about. TN has some influence at his school and that’s the offer he’s after. We need him to commit next week.

Would be the most MSU thing ever to be the first big school on a guy, and then he blow up a few weeks before signing day and lose him to friggin Tennessee.

[HoopsDawg]

The AL schools aren’t going to offer Witherspoon. TN is who we’ve got to worry about. TN has some influence at his school and that’s the offer he’s after. We need him to commit next week.

Someone tell me what I'm missing on Dee Baker? He went 80 yards in a flash last night vs Tupelo.

[Cooterpoot]

We’ve talked to Baker. Just not enough spots.

[bulldawg28]

I wonder if we're recruiting the Auburn WR transfer.

[HoopsDawg]

We’ve talked to Baker. Just not enough spots.

Can't find a spot for a 6-0 dude that runs a legit 4.4? What about Drummond? We need some playmakers.

[NCDawg]

What we need is some good OL that don't get pushed around.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Can't find a spot for a 6-0 dude that runs a legit 4.4? What about Drummond? We need some playmakers.

He is as fast as anyone. Mingo and Ashton Nickelberry at Brandon are the only two that come close to him

[Cooterpoot]

Can't find a spot for a 6-0 dude that runs a legit 4.4? What about Drummond? We need some playmakers.

Yeah, Baker has all those SEC offers. ***
Drummond isn’t fast. That’s the knock on him.

[HoopsDawg]

Yeah, Baker has all those SEC offers. ***
Drummond isn’t fast. That’s the knock on him.

Have you seen our RB board. We have missed on everyone. Witherspoon doesn't have any big offers either. I've seen him play, have you?

[hacker]

Have you seen our RB board. We have missed on everyone. Witherspoon doesn't have any big offers either. I've seen him play, have you?

Witherspoon has Louisville and Virginia Tech offers. Not SEC, but still pretty good offers, and his recruitment is expected to pick up since this is his first year at RB.

[HoopsDawg]

Witherspoon has Louisville and Virginia Tech offers. Not SEC, but still pretty good offers, and his recruitment is expected to pick up since this is his first year at RB.

I have nothing against Witherspoon. Just wondering what I'm missing in Baker. I guess we are worried about how much weight he can put on. But with that speed, he could play another position. If Witherspoon gets that UT offer we might should offer Baker.

[ShotgunDawg]

Btw, after yesterday, any Mississippi kid committed to Bama can go screw themselves. Absurd

[Bothrops]

Would be the most MSU thing ever to be the first big school on a guy, and then he blow up a few weeks before signing day and lose him to friggin Tennessee.

I'm pretty sure it's happened before too.

[Hambone]

Don’t understanding your logic, shotgun. Why would you publicly say that? You do realize and understand that we are still recruiting these kids.... be different if you said “anyone that has signed” but WHY give anyone anymore ammunition to recruit against us?

[ShotgunDawg]

Don’t understanding your logic, shotgun. Why would you publicly say that? You do realize and understand that we are still recruiting these kids.... be different if you said “anyone that has signed” but WHY give anyone anymore ammunition to recruit against us?

To hell with them if they want to play for those shitty people at a place that won't appreciate anything.

Not saying they are bad kids or are getting poor advice, just saying hell with them.

I struggle to see how a person from Mississippi with an ounce of pride in their home state can't be pissed about yesterday.

I don't see in anyway how my statement here would help or hurt our recruiting one bit.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Btw, after yesterday, any Mississippi kid committed to Bama can go screw themselves. Absurd

Again......why is ok for every other state's players to come here but it's so terrible when kids want to leave Mississippi?

[maroonmania]

Again......why is ok for every other state's players to come here but it's so terrible when kids want to leave Mississippi?

a. Most of the players we get out of state don't even have offers from their instate SEC school
b. Believe Shotgun's comments were just speaking directly to Bama and Bama only.

[ShotgunDawg]

Again......why is ok for every other state's players to come here but it's so terrible when kids want to leave Mississippi?

I wasn't aware that other state's top players were leaving to come here. Please expound on your point.

[Bass Chaser]

Saw a tweet where Kareem Walker is OVing 12/7. Can anyone give some info?

[msstate7]

Saw a tweet where Kareem Walker is OVing 12/7. Can anyone give some info?

Looked him up... big time prospect. Nice to get a visit, but I'll be shocked if we flip him from Michigan.

[Bass Chaser]

From what I have read, he was part of the 2017 signing class and an EE at Michigan then transferred to CC in Kansas. I would be kind of surprised if he goes back to Michigan based on him transferring from there.

[msstate7]

From what I have read, he was part of the 2017 signing class and an EE at Michigan then transferred to CC in Kansas. I would be kind of surprised if he goes back to Michigan based on him transferring from there.

Ahhh... I didn't look close enough. I assumed he was a current commit. Thanks for clarifying

[Cooterpoot]

Our handling of RB recruiting has been “odd”.

[msstate7]

Our handling of RB recruiting has been “odd”.

Not like we gonna use a rb anyway

[Doggie_Style]

Looked him up... big time prospect. Nice to get a visit, but I'll be shocked if we flip him from Michigan.

good lord..... Discipline and academic issues, 20 carries for 69 yards at Mich. and a JC year.....wow

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Our handling of RB recruiting has been “odd”.

I expect Lee Witherspoon to be the RB in this class.

[HoopsDawg]

Our handling of RB recruiting has been ?odd?.

We've continued to swing and miss but we keep swinging.

[Cooterpoot]

I expect Lee Witherspoon to be the RB in this class.

And if so, are we taking a Juco RB as well? We’ve talked to a few.

[Really Clark?]

I expect Lee Witherspoon to be the RB in this class.

How big of an issue will Tenn be if they offer, in your opinion? Thinking it becomes 50/50 but I could be wrong

[Ari Gold]

With the RB recruiting, I actually like the approach this staff had.
We were on 2 out of state 4 star and 5 star guys and Emery was basically being a silent commit to our staff.
“Things” happen in recruiting and anyone that doesn’t understand that by now its best to not follow recruiting
Outside of Ealy who won’t be playing college ball IMO there aren’t any SEC calibure backs in the state
Also there are no SEC calibure juco RB in the state either. From what I have been told. If we go juco route if will be out of state

Witherspoon is our best option ,he might end up being a very good option , and odds are he ends up here.
Also we are very much in the mix for a 5star back in the 2020 class.

[msstate7]

With the RB recruiting, I actually like the approach this staff had.
We were on 2 out of state 4 star and 5 star guys and Emery was basically being a silent commit to our staff.
“Things” happen in recruiting and anyone that doesn’t understand that by now its best to not follow recruiting
Outside of Ealy who won’t be playing college ball IMO there aren’t any SEC calibure backs in the state
Also there are no SEC calibure juco RB in the state either. From what I have been told. If we go juco route if will be out of state

Witherspoon is our best option ,he might end up being a very good option , and odds are he ends up here.
Also we are very much in the mix for a 5star back in the 2020 class.

If we get the guy next season, we should be fine. Freshmen RBs can play, and we have Gibson 1 more year and Kylin for at least 1, probably 2

[Cooterpoot]

How big of an issue will Tenn be if they offer, in your opinion? Thinking it becomes 50/50 but I could be wrong

I think he was at TN this week and they didn’t offer.

[msstate7]

I think he was at TN this week and they didn’t offer.

Is be worth taking for us or should we just go juco and HS next season?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

And if so, are we taking a Juco RB as well? We’ve talked to a few.

I think that's just covering all basis in case things went sideways late.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I think he was at TN this week and they didn’t offer.

Correct. Emery was at TN this weekend & he got all the attention. I don't think they offer.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Is be worth taking for us or should we just go juco and HS next season?

He's worth the risk.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

a. Most of the players we get out of state don't even have offers from their instate SEC school
b. Believe Shotgun's comments were just speaking directly to Bama and Bama only.

Bama and Bama only? Well I guess If we were winning national championships then kids wouldn't want to leave our state.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

I wasn't aware that other state's top players were leaving to come here. Please expound on your point.

I don't see anything in the post that I quoted that says "top players" I am saying that alot of our fans think all Mississippi kids should stay home and play for us. If they go out of state they are primadonnas, If they happen to stay instate but go to OM they are bought. Why can't a kid just want to be apart of a winning tradition? If they have pride in the state and want to play here, great if not how can you fault them for their choice? It is their lives and their decision.

[ShotgunDawg]

Bama and Bama only? Well I guess If we were winning national championships then kids wouldn't want to leave our state.

Bama Fan

[ShotgunDawg]

I don't see anything in the post that I quoted that says "top players" I am saying that alot of our fans think all Mississippi kids should stay home and play for us. If they go out of state they are primadonnas, If they happen to stay instate but go to OM they are bought. Why can't a kid just want to be apart of a winning tradition? If they have pride in the state and want to play here, great if not how can you fault them for their choice? It is their lives and their decision.

Bama fan

Literally every post you make defends them

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Bama fan

Literally every post you make defends them

Think of it more as.."against you" and not "for Alabama". I have been accused of being an OM before and after a IP check I was confirmed. We going to have to do it again? Just because I can view things without maroon glasses doesn't mean I am a fan of another school.

[bulldawg28]

Auburn fans are saying Kelly Bryant is leaning heavily our way. Any truth to this?

[msstate7]

Auburn fans are saying Kelly Bryant is leaning heavily our way. Any truth to this?

Surprising if true. I'm not a Bryant fan, but I will be very impressed if our staff beats ark and auburn for him

[Commercecomet24]

I've heard that Kelly wants to be involved in a more pass first offense and Gus is wanting him to run the traditional Gus offense with QB running a lot. So yes he is leaning our way but who the heck knows how it'll turn out, money changes everything lol

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Auburn fans are saying Kelly Bryant is leaning heavily our way. Any truth to this?

Where are you hearing that? I haven't seen or heard anything to make me think we're near his favorite.

[Cooterpoot]

Bryant is visiting this weekend when we play Arkansas. It’s not a coincidence.

[bulldawg28]

Where are you hearing that? I haven't seen or heard anything to make me think we're near his favorite.

I live in Alabama and Auburn fans in the know told me this today. I was surprised to hear it.

[HoopsDawg]

Auburn fans are saying Kelly Bryant is leaning heavily our way. Any truth to this?

If Joe lands Bryant, I will be impressed. We can win 8 games with Bryant.

[KOdawg1]

I'm a Kelly Bryant fan. I think he could do good things here. I didn't think he was seriously considering us, but it would be impressive if we could land him.

[Todd4State]

What about Kareem Walker from Fort Scott CC OV us in December? He started out at Michigan and was the number one RB recruit in the country in high school. The guy is a freak athletically. He's 6'1" and is listed at 215-220. I think he and Kylin Hill could be a good tandem for us.

[BhamDawg205]

What about Kareem Walker from Fort Scott CC OV us in December? He started out at Michigan and was the number one RB recruit in the country in high school. The guy is a freak athletically. He's 6'1" and is listed at 215-220. I think he and Kylin Hill could be a good tandem for us.

Key or Mayden must gonna be the starter, because Fitz will run 3-1 vs the Rbs. That won't showcase the the running element of JoMos offense. We've seen that the whole season.

[bulldawg28]

What about Kareem Walker from Fort Scott CC OV us in December? He started out at Michigan and was the number one RB recruit in the country in high school. The guy is a freak athletically. He's 6'1" and is listed at 215-220. I think he and Kylin Hill could be a good tandem for us.

He would help us BIG time. A more explosive Aeris, yes please.

[Pit Bull]

Auburn fans are saying Kelly Bryant is leaning heavily our way. Any truth to this?

Now there's a team that could actually benefit from getting him......Auburn.

[msstate7]

Now there's a team that could actually benefit from getting him......Auburn.

Auburn should be after hurts.

[Doggie_Style]

CB's for Derek Hall this AM to State.....some good news there

[ShotgunDawg]

CB's for Derek Hall this AM to State.....some good news there

Yup. Things are looking good.

We've got a chance to replace outgoing defensive talent unlike we've replaced it in the history of our program.

[msstate7]

Yup. Things are looking good.

We've got a chance to replace outgoing defensive talent unlike we've replaced it in the history of our program.

2012 defense class was better on paper. This class is great defensively though... not trying to slight it.

This class is looking much better daily.

[bulldawg28]

2012 defense class was better on paper. This class is great defensively though... not trying to slight it.

This class is looking much better daily.

Facts. Regardless of what the ranking is this class is loaded

[Commercecomet24]

Facts. Regardless of what the ranking is this class is loaded

Yes it is and not finished either!

[Cary Hudson's little bro]

I hope we miss out on Kelly Bryant. He should've stayed this season in case they need him. He could still transfer in Dec. I seriously doubt he is working out as hard as he would be at Clemson

Red flags all over him. He is also not a pro talent.

[ShotgunDawg]

I hope we miss out on Kelly Bryant. He should've stayed this season in case they need him. He could still transfer in Dec. I seriously doubt he is working out as hard as he would be at Clemson

Red flags all over him. He is also not a pro talent.

If he would've stayed & played another down, his career would be over because he would've played in more than 4 games

I can't ever blame a guy for doing what's in the best interest of extending his career.

look at Garner Minshew. He's gone from 3rd string at Bama or finishing at East Carolina to likely a shot at an NFL career just because he transferred. Do you think it was wrong for Minshew to leave East Carolina where he would've been the starter?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I hope we miss out on Kelly Bryant. He should've stayed this season in case they need him. He could still transfer in Dec. I seriously doubt he is working out as hard as he would be at Clemson

Red flags all over him. He is also not a pro talent.

You're wrong all over the place. He couldn't have stayed he's a Sr his only choice was to sit out after 4 games or his college career would be over. He may or may not be a pro talent but have you seen some of the QB's the NFL is trotting out on the field nowadays? I'll never say any kid who starts in college can't play pro ball after some of the guys I've seen.

[Cary Hudson's little bro]

oops, my bad. Didn't realize he had to leave or be done.

[chef dixon]

Certainly happy with defensive class, but it?s never been more obvious defense alone ain?t gonna get it done. Hopefully we can pick up a few playmakers and sharpen up our schemes

[msstate7]

Certainly happy with defensive class, but it?s never been more obvious defense alone ain?t gonna get it done. Hopefully we can pick up a few playmakers and sharpen up our schemes

Qb and oline solid. Need another couple playmaking WRs and a top RB though

[msu15]

Certainly happy with defensive class, but it?s never been more obvious defense alone ain?t gonna get it done. Hopefully we can pick up a few playmakers and sharpen up our schemes

While I definitely agree, I'm not sure some people understand just how much of a difference it's going to make when it comes to Nick Fitzgerald and Garrett Schrader running this offense. It will be a massive upgrade.

[msstate7]

While I definitely agree, I'm not sure some people understand just how much of a difference it's going to make when it comes to Nick Fitzgerald and Garrett Schrader running this offense. It will be a massive upgrade.

Eh, maybe... key was higher rated and mayden is pretty much rated the same. Never count a qb as a sure thing in recruiting.

Mayden HS numbers in 6A Texas...
65% comp 7515 yds 86 td 9.54 yds/att

Shrader...
66% comp 4866 yds 53 td 8.88 yds/att

[bulldawg28]

Eh, maybe... key was higher rated and mayden is pretty much rated the same. Never count a qb as a sure thing in recruiting.

Mayden HS numbers in 6A Texas...
65% comp 7515 yds 86 td 9.54 yds/att

Shrader...
66% comp 4866 yds 53 td 8.88 yds/att

Mayden looks pretty good and played against top tier talent.

[msstate7]

Mayden looks pretty good and played against top tier talent.

If key is the terrible fit being reported, I would rather see us give mayden a chance after a bowl prep and offseason than go after Bryant

[StateDawg44]

If key is the terrible fit being reported, I would rather see us give mayden a chance after a bowl prep and offseason then go after Bryant

As long as some one who isn't our graduating QB gets significant snaps I'll be fine.

[msu15]

Eh, maybe... key was higher rated and mayden is pretty much rated the same. Never count a qb as a sure thing in recruiting.

Mayden HS numbers in 6A Texas...
65% comp 7515 yds 86 td 9.54 yds/att

Shrader...
66% comp 4866 yds 53 td 8.88 yds/att
I was just talking about Shrader because he is who JoMo has recruited so far.

[ShotgunDawg]

Eh, maybe... key was higher rated and mayden is pretty much rated the same. Never count a qb as a sure thing in recruiting.

Mayden HS numbers in 6A Texas...
65% comp 7515 yds 86 td 9.54 yds/att

Shrader...
66% comp 4866 yds 53 td 8.88 yds/att

I saw Mayden play in high school & he is/was very good.

One thing to keep in mind though, Mayden's team had I believe 10+ D1 signees on the team. That Sachse team was loaded with dudes going to Oklahoma State, Baylor, SMU, Penn State, etc. Ridiculous amount of talent. The night I watched them it looked they were playing against the school for the blind.

I don't know as much about the talent or lack thereof that Shrader is playing with, but Mayden was basically a Bama QB last year with incredible protection & wide open WRs.

[msstate7]

I saw Mayden play in high school & he is/was very good.

One thing to keep in mind though, Mayden's team had I believe 10+ D1 signees on the team. That Sachse team was loaded with dudes going to Oklahoma State, Baylor, SMU, Penn State, etc. Ridiculous amount of talent. The night I watched them it looked they were playing against the school for the blind.

I don't know as much about the talent or lack thereof that Shrader is playing with, but Mayden was basically a Bama QB last year with incredible protection & wide open WRs.

That could definetely skew mayden's stats then

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

That could definetely skew mayden's stays then

According to guy on 247 looking at a hs players stats is ridiculous way of evaluating. He said this after I proved him wrong about Key by showing him Keys hs stats.

[Todd4State]

According to guy on 247 looking at a hs players stats is ridiculous way of evaluating. He said this after I proved him wrong about Key by showing him Keys hs stats.

High school stats do have to be taken with a grain of salt at the high school level for most positions.

[ShotgunDawg]

High school stats do have to be taken with a grain of salt at the high school level for most positions.

I Think 95% of stats at the high school level need to be taken with a grain of salt.

I think at the extremes, they can be useful.

For example: whether Mayden & Shrader had a 50% or 70% completion % is completely useless & means nothing. It's about physical talent.

However, if Mayden or Shrader had a 30% completion % or an 80+& completion would be useful.

If a first round baseball player hits .220 his SR year of HS, it's a concern. If he hits .750 it can also be useful, but, if hitting .275 - .600 is pretty useless information.

Stats can also help you know what questions to ask a player.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

I see a lot of folks say they don't want Bryant and I can't understand why. If he comes in and competes and wins the job then great. If he comes in and doesn't win the job, we know we have someone the coaches like better. Worst case he can be a backup. We've had QB's go down in the past. Another reason you take him is, even if he doesn't win our job, it doesn't mean he couldn't win Arky or Auburn's job. If that's the case, you just improved your odds against those two teams. He can't beat us if he's standing on our sideline.

As far as being a cancer in the locker room, I really don't think a guy can come in OUR locker room and in one year cause trouble among teammates. I think our team is too united at this point to have this happen, even though we lose a lot of Sr. leaders. We've had some in the past not so much and it could have happened. Not at this time in my opinion. Hell, we prepared and went out and beat a Heisman winner with GA's when we could have gone to a bowl and partied the whole time. I say let's get him.

I know he visits this weekend, but I saw where he already said when he was going to announce where he was going to go. Does that mean anything? As in, has he already decided before he visits us? I really don't see him wasting his time visiting if he already has a school in mind. It's not like he's in high school and just wants to take a trip. I'm thinking he knows he's finishing his trips and has just set a deadline to decide and announce. Of course, he could change that if he desires. Any thoughts?

[Todd4State]

I Think 95% of stats at the high school level need to be taken with a grain of salt.

I think at the extremes, they can be useful.

For example: whether Mayden & Shrader had a 50% or 70% completion % is completely useless & means nothing. It's about physical talent.

However, if Mayden or Shrader had a 30% completion % or an 80+& completion would be useful.

If a first round baseball player hits .220 his SR year of HS, it's a concern. If he hits .750 it can also be useful, but, if hitting .275 - .600 is pretty useless information.

Stats can also help you know what questions to ask a player.

Exactly you have to judge more on physical ability moreso than stats at the high school level. Stats I would guess are probably the most useful for high school running backs. With receivers their stats are so dependent on what kind of QB their high school team has and also the fact that they are going to be bracketed most of the time at that level. There are no consistent objective stats with high school offensive linemen. Defensively most high school teams are going to run away or scheme away from the elite defenders.

[Todd4State]

I see a lot of folks say they don't want Bryant and I can't understand why. If he comes in and competes and wins the job then great. If he comes in and doesn't win the job, we know we have someone the coaches like better. Worst case he can be a backup. We've had QB's go down in the past. Another reason you take him is, even if he doesn't win our job, it doesn't mean he couldn't win Arky or Auburn's job. If that's the case, you just improved your odds against those two teams. He can't beat us if he's standing on our sideline.

As far as being a cancer in the locker room, I really don't think a guy can come in OUR locker room and in one year cause trouble among teammates. I think our team is too united at this point to have this happen, even though we lose a lot of Sr. leaders. We've had some in the past not so much and it could have happened. Not at this time in my opinion. Hell, we prepared and went out and beat a Heisman winner with GA's when we could have gone to a bowl and partied the whole time. I say let's get him.

I know he visits this weekend, but I saw where he already said when he was going to announce where he was going to go. Does that mean anything? As in, has he already decided before he visits us? I really don't see him wasting his time visiting if he already has a school in mind. It's not like he's in high school and just wants to take a trip. I'm thinking he knows he's finishing his trips and has just set a deadline to decide and announce. Of course, he could change that if he desires. Any thoughts?

I think as far as the announcement he just wants to move on to the next stage as soon as possible. It sounds to me like he is going to pick us if the visit goes well. Just a guess based on rumors and things like that.

I like the fact that he has performed against SEC competition- Auburn, Texas A&M, and South Carolina on the road and then Alabama in the bowl game. That has to help with the learning curve because he has been in a SEC environment before and has won before. Including against the best team in the league.

One thing I like about Bryant after looking at his stats against SEC only teams- at least 65% completion rate in every game except against Alabama where he was at 50%.

[dantheman4248]

Any truth to us getting Mason Fine next year?

I’ve heard it’s a done deal if Bryant says no, and I’ve heard it’s unlikely he leaves unless the coach for UNT goes.

[msstate7]

Any truth to us getting Mason Fine next year?

I’ve heard it’s a done deal if Bryant says no, and I’ve heard it’s unlikely he leaves unless the coach for UNT goes.

Are you saying fine and the coach would have to be a package deal?

[dantheman4248]

Are you saying fine and the coach would have to be a package deal?


No. If Litrell takes a better job then he’d leave to go to a different school too. Not necessarily the same.

[bulldawg28]

If key is the terrible fit being reported, I would rather see us give mayden a chance after a bowl prep and offseason than go after Bryant

100% agreement

[bulldawg28]

Any truth to us getting Mason Fine next year?

I’ve heard it’s a done deal if Bryant says no, and I’ve heard it’s unlikely he leaves unless the coach for UNT goes.

So is he coming depending on Bryant or the coach? I'd prefer Fine over the two.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Any truth to us getting Mason Fine next year?

What would the dead Indians think? Fine is a citizen of the Cherokee Nation.

[msstate7]

Emery to LSU surprising no one. He played us and Georgia into a big pay day at LSU

[Lance Harbor]

Kelly Bryant will not be an upgrade to anything State has put on the field at QB this year.


I hope we miss out on Kelly Bryant. He should've stayed this season in case they need him. He could still transfer in Dec. I seriously doubt he is working out as hard as he would be at Clemson

Red flags all over him. He is also not a pro talent.

[Cooterpoot]

If Jo thought we had a QB to run the offense next year, he wouldn’t be looking for one. That’s all I need to know. He’s going to flip the whole offensive roster in two years.

[msstate7]

If Jo thought we had a QB to run the offense next year, he wouldn’t be looking for one. That’s all I need to know. He’s going to flip the whole offensive roster in two years.

I have no problem with pursuing a qb. It's Bryant i object to. He is not good

[Cooterpoot]

I have no problem with pursuing a qb. It's Bryant i object to. He is not good

He’s better than what we’ve got. But we aren’t going to get him.

[dantheman4248]

So is he coming depending on Bryant or the coach? I'd prefer Fine over the two.


I should clarify. I’ve heard two different takes. One says he’s a lock to us unless Bryant unexpectedly says yes. The other says he’s staying put unless the UNT coach goes elsewhere (he’s a shortlist name to replace Riley at OU if Riley goes to the NFL.)

[BhamDawg205]

People putting a lot of stock in our backups are garbage. We basing this off hear say and rumours. Heck we heard Fitz and the WRs were lights out in practice. We haven't seen Key or Mayden enough in live action to throw them out with they bathwater. But have seen a HC too stubborn to adjust his offense to fit his talent. We have seen Fitz suck it up multiple games, yet again JoMo resisted change.
Same HC burn Keys possibility to red shirt with no meaningful snaps, my bad SFA. Now we want a 1 year rental that MAYbe better than Key or Mayden? I would rather use that spot for a red shirt OL or WR, Lord know we need options and depth at both.

[Cooterpoot]

1. Some of us tried to tell everybody our receivers sucked.
2. Key didn’t want to redshirt. Reports from camp have been he’s struggled with the offense.
3. Mayden was dropped by Penn St. when Jo was there.
4. We are loading up on OL and WRs

I agree with the refusal to change his offense much though. I’d take Bryant if he wanted to come.

[HoopsDawg]

I have no problem with pursuing a qb. It's Bryant i object to. He is not good

I've stayed out of these Bryant discussions bc I doubt we get him but what the hell are y'all talking about? Bryant would be a Top 5 conference QB for us and the perfect 1 year guy to groom Schrader.

[RezDog7]

I've stayed out of these Bryant discussions bc I doubt we get him but what the hell are y'all talking about? Bryant would be a Top 5 conference QB for us and the perfect 1 year guy to groom Schrader.

I finally agree with you on something. Competition is good.

[Lance Harbor]

I've watched Bryant for 5 years. He's not an upgrade. He doesn't read defenses well. He's like Jalen Hurts with tremendous talent around him, only doesn't make big plays. Don't kid yourself. He's not the answer.


I've stayed out of these Bryant discussions bc I doubt we get him but what the hell are y'all talking about? Bryant would be a Top 5 conference QB for us and the perfect 1 year guy to groom Schrader.

[msstate7]

I've stayed out of these Bryant discussions bc I doubt we get him but what the hell are y'all talking about? Bryant would be a Top 5 conference QB for us and the perfect 1 year guy to groom Schrader.

https://i.postimg.cc/tgTDBDBG/C49-F92-C2-D1-B8-456-A-A43-D-61-AEF71-EEDDD.png (https://postimg.cc/Yv519Ncd)

This is ACC last year sorted by rating. Bryant wasn't a top 5 acc qb. Clemson had 2 WRs taken in the nfl draft last season (there are more NFL WRs on the roster) and renfrow. They also had an nfl RB. In yards per att, he was 8th in the ACC at 7.0 yds. That's with nfl WRs! 7.0 yds/att would be good for 11th in the sec this season. He's a dink and dunk guy that was surrounded by elite talent.

[msstate7]

I finally agree with you on something. Competition is good.

He isn't coming to compete. He is only coming if promised the job

[msstate7]

Fitz and Bryant faced 2 common opponents (auburn and bama) last season. Here's the combined stats for each...

KB: 37/65 (56.9) 305 yds (4.7 per att) 0 td 2 int; 38 rushes 78 yds (2.0 per carry) 2 td

NF: 26/57 (45.6) 315 yds (5.5 per att) 1 td 2 int; 34 rushes 122 yds (3.6 per carry) 1 td

Now I'd love to see the passing stats if you flipped WRs. Even so, fitz still got almost 1 yard more per att

[Really Clark?]

Fitz and Bryant faced 2 common opponents (auburn and bama) last season. Here's the combined stats for each...

KB: 37/65 (56.9) 305 yds (4.7 per att) 0 td 2 int; 38 rushes 78 yds (2.0 per carry) 2 td

NF: 26/57 (45.6) 315 yds (5.5 per att) 1 td 2 int; 34 rushes 122 yds (3.6 per carry) 1 td

Now I'd love to see the passing stats if you flipped WRs. Even so, fitz still got almost 1 yard more per att

They both also faced TAM this season

[msstate7]

They both also faced TAM this season

Good call...

KB: 12/17 (70.6) 205 yds (12.1 per) 1 td 0 int; 15 rushes 54 yds (3.6 per) 1 td

NF: 14/22 (63.6) 241 yds (11.0 per) 2 td 0 int; 16 rushes 88 yds (5.5 per) 2 td

[msstate7]

I'd much rather take a chance on the little guy, mason fine. First in his conf in passing yds/game, 2nd in rating, 4th in yds/att, 2nd in td passes, only thrown 2 ints, and his team does not have the best surrounding cast in the conference. He is tiny though, so make sure key or mayden stick around bc fine may not make it through the season healthy

[msudawglb]

Good call...

KB: 12/17 (70.6) 205 yds (12.1 per) 1 td 0 int; 15 rushes 54 yds (3.6 per) 1 td

NF: 14/22 (63.6) 241 yds (11.0 per) 2 td 0 int; 16 rushes 88 yds (5.5 per) 2 td

I?m not sure why we are comparing KB to Fitz. I think everyone would be happy to have another year of Fitz. We are possibly bringing in KB because we don?t have anything comparable to Fitz after he leaves.

[msstate7]

I?m not sure why we are comparing KB to Fitz. I think everyone would be happy to have another year of Fitz. We are possibly bringing in KB because we don?t have anything comparable to Fitz after he leaves.

I love fitz, but I want no part of another year of fitz with Moorhead as the coach. We need a pass first qb

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think the bottom line is that if our coaches believe KB can help us win bring him in. They see these kids every day and if it's true that KT isn't picking up the offense then let's don't try and fit a square peg in a round hole two straight years. Let's get a one year rental and let Mayden and Schrader battle it out in 2020.

[Cooterpoot]

Y'all are comparing him to Fitz. Compare him to what we've got next year. That's why we're recruiting him. Nobody is saying he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, he's just better than what's on campus next year. We can win 7+ games with him and then turn it over to Shrader. That's what we're looking for. We aren't looking at winning a natty next year.

[Commercecomet24]

Y'all are comparing him to Fitz. Compare him to what we've got next year. That's why we're recruiting him. Nobody is saying he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, he's just better than what's on campus next year. We can win 7+ games with him and then turn it over to Shrader. That's what we're looking for. We aren't looking at winning a natty next year.

Exactly.

[msstate7]

Y'all are comparing him to Fitz. Compare him to what we've got next year. That's why we're recruiting him. Nobody is saying he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, he's just better than what's on campus next year. We can win 7+ games with him and then turn it over to Shrader. That's what we're looking for. We aren't looking at winning a natty next year.

You'll see how overrated he is next season. Please go to ark... that may swing toss up to win for us. I watch a ton of acc games, and KB is terrible

[Cooterpoot]

You'll see how overrated he is next season. Please go to ark... that may swing toss up to win for us. I watch a ton of acc games, and KB is terrible

Then you don't want to hear about what we've got on campus right now. Hell, they can't even beat out Fitz. They wouldn't beat out Bryant either. This is for one year to keep the bowl streak alive and the fans somewhat happy until we can get our WRs and QB in here.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

You'll see how overrated he is next season. Please go to ark... that may swing toss up to win for us. I watch a ton of acc games, and KB is terrible

You're wrong on this 1. He's not close to terrible. He's not elite by any means but he'd very solid for MSU. Now at Arkansas he may stink Bc they're not good.

[msstate7]

Then you don't want to hear about what we've got on campus right now. Hell, they can't even beat out Fitz. They wouldn't beat out Bryant either. This is for one year to keep the bowl streak alive and the fans somewhat happy until we can get our WRs and QB in here.

Again, take the chance on mason fine. He's a far superior PASSER, which is what Moorhead needs. He'll probably be broken bc his size, but he's more of what we need than KB

[Bully13]

Upper echelons go out and get better talent and win by doing so. Feelings get hurt in the process. It's called running a successful business.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Again, take the chance on mason fine. He's a far superior PASSER, which is what Moorhead needs. He'll probably be broken bc his size, but he's more of what we need than KB

So bring in a kid that'll probably be injured midway through the season which means we'll then have to turn to Mayden or Schrader.......if that's the case don't bother wasting a scholly on anyone and just let those two battle it out in fall camp.

[msstate7]

So bring in a kid that'll probably be injured midway through the season which means we'll then have to turn to Mayden or Schrader.......if that's the case don't bother wasting a scholly on anyone and just let those two battle it out in fall camp.

Well, he may not get hurt... he hasn't missed a game in his career yet. Hell, I'm probably wrong about injury, Tyson lee made it in Mullen's offense

[BhamDawg205]

I love fitz, but I want no part of another year of fitz with Moorhead as the coach. We need a pass first qb

Ditto... And KB ain't it. It will be a replay of this year. KB coming here may be worth 1 extra win. But why upset the depth we have at QB. While some think next year is gap measure before Schrader gets here, again why not let Key and Mayden get the experience through live action. Prove those guys can't get it done. Those guys couldn't have been that bad not to play KU, FL or LSU when Fitz was hot garbage. Moorhead hasn't shown consistency all season. So just maybe his confusion infected his QBs. Only side of the ball that had an identity was the defense. You knew what you were getting week in and week out

[Cooterpoot]

Ditto... And KB ain't it. It will be a replay of this year. KB coming here may be worth 1 extra win. But why upset the depth we have at QB. While some think next year is gap measure before Schrader gets here, again why not let Key and Mayden get the experience through live action. Prove those guys can't get it done. Those guys couldn't have been that bad not to play KU, FL or LSU when Fitz was hot garbage. Moorhead hasn't shown consistency all season. So just maybe his confusion infected his QBs. Only side of the ball that had an identity was the defense. You knew what you were getting week in and week out

You'd rather lose games trying to prove a QB isn't good enough, than win an extra game and be similar to this year? Makes perfect sense!

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ditto... And KB ain't it. It will be a replay of this year. KB coming here may be worth 1 extra win. But why upset the depth we have at QB. While some think next year is gap measure before Schrader gets here, again why not let Key and Mayden get the experience through live action. Prove those guys can't get it done. Those guys couldn't have been that bad not to play KU, FL or LSU when Fitz was hot garbage. Moorhead hasn't shown consistency all season. So just maybe his confusion infected his QBs. Only side of the ball that had an identity was the defense. You knew what you were getting week in and week out

If he's worth one extra win then you get him. That's one game you don't win with what you currently have. And last time I checked YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.

[BhamDawg205]

You'd rather lose games trying to prove a QB isn't good enough, than win an extra game and be similar to this year? Makes perfect sense!
So you throw out rumours these guys suck? What make you think KB can get it done in JoMo's offense? He'll KT is 2-1 and shown the ability to throw. Look like he had know problem on where to go, unlike Fitz at times. KT's mechanics does need work, but that's coaching not mental.
I would for Matt Wyatt or anyone to break down KB's ability to read defenses pre and post snap. That's what JoMo's offense requires right?

[msu15]

Man this is an epic hijack

[msstate7]

Man this is an epic hijack

How so? We're recruiting transfer qbs this year. This is one of our biggest targets we have this cycle

[HoopsDawg]

I love fitz, but I want no part of another year of fitz with Moorhead as the coach. We need a pass first qb

Bryant was 12-2 in his one full year as a starter and led Clemson to the Playoffs. He completed 66% of his passes. We would be extremely fortunate to get him. Ridiculous that people argue this.

[msstate7]

Bryant was 12-2 in his one full year as a starter and led Clemson to the Playoffs. He completed 66% of his passes. We would be extremely fortunate to get him. Ridiculous that people argue this.

Blake sims led Alabama to the CFB playoff and completed 65% of his passes. When he finally met up with an equal team though, sims was a total liability (3 ints vs Ohio st). Same thing happened last season with KB vs bama where he was abysmal. KB would be a great solution for us if we had a talent advantage over the teams on our schedule... unfortunately, we'll be at a deficit in a bunch of sec games

[MetEdDawg]

Blake sims led Alabama to the CFB playoff and completed 65% of his passes. When he finally met up with an equal team though, sims was a total liability (3 ints vs Ohio st). Same thing happened last season with KB vs bama where he was abysmal. KB would be a great solution for us if we had a talent advantage over the teams on our schedule... unfortunately, we'll be at a deficit in a bunch of sec games

I would love to have the problem where our QB was outmatched in a playoff game.....

[msstate7]

I would love to have the problem where our QB was outmatched in a playoff game.....
Me too. That's the problem... we don't have the team to make Bryant look better than he is like Clemson

[HoopsDawg]

Blake sims led Alabama to the CFB playoff and completed 65% of his passes. When he finally met up with an equal team though, sims was a total liability (3 ints vs Ohio st). Same thing happened last season with KB vs bama where he was abysmal. KB would be a great solution for us if we had a talent advantage over the teams on our schedule... unfortunately, we'll be at a deficit in a bunch of sec games

Tua's not available so I will take Bryant and be happy. By the way, Bryant is a pass first guy. Much moreso than Fitz and much more accurate.

[msstate7]

Tua's not available so I will take Bryant and be happy. By the way, Bryant is a pass first guy. Much moreso than Fitz and much more accurate.

Fine is a better option

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Anyone here that doesn't want this QB needs to check their sanity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbLow9JbSDc

[Commercecomet24]

Tua's not available so I will take Bryant and be happy. By the way, Bryant is a pass first guy. Much moreso than Fitz and much more accurate.

This is the biggest reason I've heard we are ahead of Auburn. Gus wants to run his QB run offense and Bryant wants to be in a pass first offense where he doesn't have to carry the load running the football.

[Really Clark?]

Tua's not available so I will take Bryant and be happy. By the way, Bryant is a pass first guy. Much moreso than Fitz and much more accurate.

What about Hurts? He’s won and over 60% completion

[msstate7]

If anyone here doesn't want this QB you need to check your sanity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbLow9JbSDc
Yeah, I'd rather have McCloud (nfl), Cain (nfl), renfrow, and Higgins (will be in nfl). Let's see how he looks throwing to Jesse Jackson, Guidry, Mitchell, Thomas, etc. The auburn run was very nice

[HoopsDawg]

What about Hurts? He’s won and over 60% completion

Bryant is officially visiting this weekend. We actually have a shot at him. Incrediblely dumb that some posters on here don't realize that's a good thing. Nothing against KT but he completed 42% of his passes vs SFA. Bryant is an upgrade. He's smart, he's accurate, he can run, he's played in huge games. He doesn't need to clear space on his mantle but he would be a great fit for us and for him. He would also give us another good measure on Moorhead.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Yeah, I'd rather have McCloud (nfl), Cain (nfl), renfrow, and Higgins (will be in nfl). Let's see how he looks throwing to Jesse Jackson, Guidry, Mitchell, Thomas, etc

He is putting it right in their lap though and HE IS ABLE TO MAKE THE RIGHT READ AND FIND THEM OPEN. I know you got your blinders on because you've already created your stance but geez bro, you can't tell me we wouldn't better with him.

[msstate7]

He is putting it right in their lap though and HE IS ABLE TO MAKE THE RIGHT READ AND FIND THEM OPEN. I know you got your blinders on because you've already created your stance but geez bro, you can't tell me we wouldn't better with him.

It's a highlight video, dude. I've watched Bryant play a bunch, and he isn't a difference maker. You could fill a 5-min highlight video of fitz this year to make him look like an AA

[msstate7]

Bryant is officially visiting this weekend. We actually have a shot at him. Incrediblely dumb that some posters on here don't realize that's a good thing. Nothing against KT but he completed 42% of his passes vs SFA. Bryant is an upgrade. He's smart, he's accurate, he can run, he's played in huge games. He doesn't need to clear space on his mantle but he would be a great fit for us and for him. He would also give us another good measure on Moorhead.

Bryant is coming to watch ark. We aren't getting him, and I'm glad

[Commercecomet24]

He is putting it right in their lap though and HE IS ABLE TO MAKE THE RIGHT READ AND FIND THEM OPEN. I know you got your blinders on because you've already created your stance but geez bro, you can't tell me we wouldn't better with him.

This kid is a passer, as much as I love Fitz, Bryants mechanics, the way he manipulates the pocket, reading defenses and his touch on the deep ball(and he can run enough)is far ahead of Fitz, and probably anyone we have on the roster at this point. Be a good bridge to Shrader, IMO.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

It's a highlight video, dude. I've watched Bryant play a bunch, and he isn't a difference maker.

yes that's right, his highlight video...hahahaha Maybe they should post a video of his incompletions and interceptions. smh He is better than what we have period. He can run when needed and he is able to deliver the deep ball, big play with accuracy. That is what Moorhead wants.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

This kid is a passer, as much as I love Fitz, Bryants mechanics, the way he manipulates the pocket, reading defenses and his touch on the deep ball(and he can run enough)is far ahead of Fitz, and probably anyone we have on the roster at this point. Be a grade bridge to Shrader, IMO.

What is all this mechanics, manipulating the pocket, reading defenses, touch on deep ball talk????? I didn't realize there were so many aspects of a QB!!***********

[msstate7]

yes that's right, his highlight video...hahahaha Maybe they should post a video of his incompletions and interceptions. smh He is better than what we have period. He can run when needed and he is able to deliver the deep ball, big play with accuracy. That is what Moorhead wants.

He threw 13 td passes last season with at least 4 nfl (2 already there and 2 more going) and hunter renfrow. Fitz threw 15 last season with our guys. Fitz is not a passer, and neither is KB. KB threw the ball 112 more times than fitz too... vs acc defenses, and he didn't have to face Clemson

[Commercecomet24]

What is all this mechanics, manipulating the pocket, reading defenses, touch on deep ball talk????? I didn't realize there were so many aspects of a QB!!***********

Rep Given!

[StateDawg44]

yes that's right, his highlight video...hahahaha Maybe they should post a video of his incompletions and interceptions. smh He is better than what we have period. He can run when needed and he is able to deliver the deep ball, big play with accuracy. That is what Moorhead wants.

Did you not read where he said he has watched KB play a lot? That makes his credibility irrefutable and proves that you're wrong?**********

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

He threw 13 td passes last season with at least 4 nfl (2 already there and 2 more going) and hunter renfrow. Fitz threw 15 last season with our guys. Fitz is not a passer, and neither is KB. KB threw the ball 112 more times than fitz too... vs acc defenses, and he didn't have to face Clemson

You can't just go solely on TD passes. The offensive style in general, especially in the red zone dictates alot of that. Now what is a good indicator is completion percentage which I see you conveniently left out because his career completion percentage is 66%! Fitz...54%. Remind me again the percentage Moorhead said he needed to run his offense proficiently?

[iPat09]

That would be 65%, and after running the numbers, I can say with full confidence that 66 is indeed higher than 65.

[msstate7]

You can't just go solely on TD passes. The offensive style in general, especially in the red zone dictates alot of that. Now what is a good indicator is completion percentage which I see you conveniently left out because his career completion percentage is 66%! Fitz...54%. Remind me again the percentage Moorhead said he needed to run his offense proficiently?

KB was 60th in the country last season in rating. KB was 70th in yds/att. He's a dink and dunk guy, and we aren't in the same galaxy with Clemson on WR talent. Joe wants a consistent down field passer. We aren't getting him anyway... just remember to apologize next season when ark is beyond pathetic again hitching themselves to him

[msstate7]

That would be 65%, and after running the numbers, I can say with full confidence that 66 is indeed higher than 65.

It's hilarious to me that you think KB can complete the same % to our WRs that he did to the NFL's WR factory

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Everybody remember what I said about blinders?

You can't present facts here on the board. They always ruin a good stance. - DGD

[StateDawg44]

KB was 60th in the country last season in rating. KB was 70th in yds/att. He's a dink and dunk guy, and we aren't in the same galaxy with Clemson on WR talent. Joe wants a consistent down field passer. We aren't getting him anyway... just remember to apologize next season when ark is beyond pathetic again hitching themselves to him


That's not even close to being fair haha. AR has countless other problems to go along with their QB play. Expected since that tiny sample caters to your narrative though.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

It's hilarious to me that you think KB can complete the same % to our WRs that he did to the NFL's WR factory

It is hilarious to me that you think our receivers wouldn't improve with a better QB. They are not as inept as you are making them out to be.

[msstate7]

Everybody remember what I said about blinders?

You can't present facts here on the board. They always ruin a good stance. - DGD
What are you presenting? Are you saying KB can do the same thing here that he did at Clemson? Do you think the wr talent won't matter? What about the difference in defenses faced?

[msstate7]

It is hilarious to me that you think our receivers wouldn't improve with a better QB. They are not as inept as you are making them out to be.

If we had KB, we'd all-the-sudden produce nfl WRs like Clemson

[msstate7]

That's not even close to being fair haha. AR has countless other problems to go along with their QB play. Expected since that tiny sample caters to your narrative though.

A 66% comp 12-2 playoff starter should absolutely like ark out the dumps. No?

[Irondawg]

Keep in mind that if KB was great he’d go straight to the NFL draft. I’m not saying he wouldn’t be our best qb next year but let’s keep it in perspective

[msudawglb]

It's funny to me that you all are arguing as to who would be a better QB transfer. As if you all have a say in who it might be. Let's all quit trying to sway the other side and lets talk about recruiting!

[StateDawg44]

A 66% comp 12-2 playoff starter should absolutely like ark out the dumps. No?

Yeah the defense doesn't factor in here at all.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

If we had KB, we'd all-the-sudden produce nfl WRs like Clemson

dude you are something else. You throwing out the straw man arguments aren't you? Did I ever say that we would be producing NFL WR's like Clemson. Have you not ever seen a team that had QB that made the receivers appear better than they were?

[msstate7]

Yeah the defense doesn't factor in here at all.

We can win 7-8 games this year with no offense. Surely the great KB can do the same with no defense

[msstate7]

dude you are something else. You throwing out the straw man arguments aren't you? Did I ever say that we would be producing NFL WR's like Clemson. Have you not ever seen a team that had QB that made the receivers appear better than they were?

And a team with great WRs can make a bad qb look good

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Missouri leading receiver is a *** 0.8609 TE....NFL guy?
Missouri 2nd leading WR....Johnathon Johnson *** 0.8615. NFL guy?

Do you think Drew Lock would suck at State?

[msstate7]

I've made my point (about 10 messages ago haha), so I'll move on. Although I'm not a KB fan, I will be extremely impressed if joe can land him. I think fine is the better option though.

[Cooterpoot]

LOL at this shit!

[msstate7]

Missouri leading receiver is a *** 0.8609 TE....NFL guy?
Missouri 2nd leading WR....Johnathon Johnson *** 0.8615. NFL guy?

Do you think Drew Lock would suck at State?

Emanuel hall is their leading receiver, and yes he is nfl

http://draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1003856&draftyear=2019&genpos=WR

[Lord McBuckethead]

That is how i have seen KT as well. He look raw, but given some time, he may be exactly what we need.
As I see it, he threw the ball pretty well game one this year. Given a few more weeks of tune ups and he may have surprised a few of us. We may be a better team today if he had that shot. It is both fortunate and unfortunate that he didn't have that chance this year. If for instance, Fitz' last year was last season versus having one more year of eligibility, we would probably have won exactly the same amount of games this year and KT would have 10 games consecutive under his belt. As it is now, it looks like we have a question mark entering next season with the QB position.

Now seeing how this year has turned out, I almost would have preferred KT taking us here because it serves next year a big service.

[iPat09]

It's hilarious to me that you think KB can complete the same % to our WRs that he did to the NFL's WR factory

It's hilarious to me you can't take a joke. I believe it's time to step away from the keyboard for a little while.

[msstate7]

Missouri leading receiver is a *** 0.8609 TE....NFL guy?
Missouri 2nd leading WR....Johnathon Johnson *** 0.8615. NFL guy?

Do you think Drew Lock would suck at State?

The te is Okwuegbunam, and he's the #1 rated te for his class right now for draft according to this site

http://draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1018332&draftyear=2021&genpos=TE

Research would help your arguments

[msu15]

LOL at this shit!

Still going!

[Leroy Jenkins]

I guess 200 pages is the limit for how long a recruiting thread can go before it devolves into breaking down the Mizzou TE depth chart.

[msstate7]

I guess 200 pages is the limit for how long a recruiting thread can go before it devolves into breaking down the Mizzou TE depth chart.

I apologize to the board for that haha

I do think transfer qbs is very much a suitable topic for this thread.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Oh, grad transfer QBs are definitely relevant to recruiting, I just enjoy being a contrarian.


I apologize to the board for that haha

I do think transfer qbs is very much a suitable topic for this thread.

[Lord McBuckethead]

He threw 13 td passes last season with at least 4 nfl (2 already there and 2 more going) and hunter renfrow. Fitz threw 15 last season with our guys. Fitz is not a passer, and neither is KB. KB threw the ball 112 more times than fitz too... vs acc defenses, and he didn't have to face Clemson

Thats a strong argument. Wonder how people are going to counteract simple logic.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

The te is Okwuegbunam, and he's the #1 rated te for his class right now for draft according to this site

http://draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=1018332&draftyear=2021&genpos=TE

Research would help your arguments

Did you see their recruiting rankings dumbass? My point is a QB can make RECEIVERS BETTER!!! Thanks for confirming what I was proving all along and the unnecessary research. I knew they were NFL guys..hahahha you're really not very sharp are you? What about the Lock question. Would he or would he not suck at MSU right now?

[Cooterpoot]

Thats a strong argument. Wonder how people are going to counteract simple logic.

Again, nobody is saying Bryant is the greatest thing in the world. We're saying we don't have a QB that's going to be as good as him next year. So if you want to win games, you better find a QB. 7 has lost his damn might with this. He'd rather sign a 5 foot tall guy that plays in CUSA but the ACC sucks? LOL

[msstate7]

Again, nobody is saying Bryant is the greatest thing in the world. We're saying we don't have a QB that's going to be as good as him next year. So if you want to win games, you better find a QB. 7 has lost his damn might with this. He'd rather sign a 5 foot tall guy that plays in CUSA but the ACC sucks? LOL

Bc he can actually throw the ball. I like the fact he elevates his team too, not drag them down like KB. North Texas offense is getting better with fine. Look at Clemson scoring offense the last 4 years: 45.7, 33.3, 39.2, 38.5. Which year do you think Bryant was the qb? I'll give you a hint... the lowest. Clemson has only been below 16th nationally in scoring offense the last 4 years the year Bryant was qb; they finished #33

[Goldendawg]

Anyone got any recruiting updates from HS type prospects?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Bc he can actually throw the ball. I like the fact he elevates his team too, not drag them down like KB. North Texas offense is getting better with fine. Look at Clemson scoring offense the last 4 years: 45.7, 33.3, 39.2, 38.5. Which year do you think Bryant was the qb? I'll give you a hint... the lowest. Clemson has only been below 16th nationally in scoring offense the last 4 years the year Bryant was qb; they finished #33

He was sandwiched between Deshawn Watson & Trevor Lawrence. A 1st Rd draft pick & a future #1 pick. It's not like he's on their level.

[yjnkdawg]

LOL at this shit!


I agree. The recruiting thread has now been hijacked by 7. Nothing surprising there. :(

[msbulldog]

Please start a thread that deals with some damn QB transfer! My eyes started bleeding 50 post ago! This is ****ing ridiculous!

[msstate7]

Please start a thread that deals with some damn QB transfer! My eyes started bleeding 50 post ago! This is ****ing ridiculous!

We're RECRUITING qb transfers. This is the place to discuss the qbs we're recruiting

[HoopsDawg]

We're RECRUITING qb transfers. This is the place to discuss the qbs we're recruiting

Take a hint bro.

[Turfdawg67]

Everybody remember what I said about blinders?

You can't present facts here on the board. They always ruin a good stance. - DGD

Sure you can, just not to morons. You are arguing with a guy whose football knowledge consists of Googling stats and posts 32 times a day... EVERYDAY... for four straight years. Think about that. Hahahahaha!!

[Turfdawg67]

Take a hint bro.

Lolz... riiiiight.

[Turfdawg67]

I agree. The recruiting thread has now been hijacked by 7. Nothing surprising there. :(

IKR... he really, really should start his own board. As many on here, I'd donate but not join!

**Crap... I got sucked in, sorry. Back to recruiting news!!

[msstate7]

IKR... he really, really should start his own board. As many on here, I'd donate but not join!

**Crap... I got sucked in, sorry. Back to recruiting news!!

Every post is about me. Every. Post. You really are 1 step away from peeking through my windows at night

[Turfdawg67]

I can't read the above comment, but I'm sure if I could, I'd be like...
https://i.postimg.cc/85B79ypF/E0-AA04-F0-64-B6-49-AB-B973-A3-CAA86-C6-D88.gif

[msstate7]

If we get hall (expected), that'll be 5 DEs with 4 listed at 4-stars. We're killing it here. We also return some good DEs. Which of the DE recruits do you expect to RS next season? Which ones will outgrow DE?

[KOdawg1]

If we get hall (expected), that'll be 5 DEs with 4 listed at 4-stars. We're killing it here. We also return some good DEs. Which of the DE recruits do you expect to RS next season? Which ones will outgrow DE?

I would imagine Pickering and Moore will be DTs just based off of their size. Pickering is listed as 286 lbs. and Moore is at 268.

[RezDog7]

Bryant is coming to watch ark. We aren't getting him, and I'm glad

You are literally the most negative person in the world. Are ever happy about anything?

[msstate7]

You are literally the most negative person in the world. Are ever happy about anything?

I just told you in that post I was happy haha

[Commercecomet24]

I would imagine Pickering and Moore will be DTs just based off of their size. Pickering is listed as 286 lbs. and Moore is at 268.

Yes both of them are gonna be DTs. Pickering is gonna be a beast. He's a hard worker and driven to be successful.

[msstate7]

Should we try and get Bailey hockman to visit? Juco qb that's committed to Nc state. Top juco qb

[Cowbell]

Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but I want to mention something. 7 has mentioned all the downsides so I am not looking for an argument here. Just a simple answer to these questions. What would landing KB do for the rest of our recruiting? Would it bring us national positive publicity? Would WR recruits maybe look our way? Is there any way this helps us land other cruits???

[msstate7]

Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but I want to mention something. 7 has mentioned all the downsides so I am not looking for an argument here. Just a simple answer to these questions. What would landing KB do for the rest of our recruiting? Would it bring us national positive publicity? Would WR recruits maybe look our way? Is there any way this helps us land other cruits???

Landing KB would be a huge win for this staff publicity wise. I don't think it would affect HS WRs though bc he's a 1-year guy. Could help with Payton (juco)... not sure how hard we're pursuing

[Ifyouonlyknew]

If we get hall (expected), that'll be 5 DEs with 4 listed at 4-stars. We're killing it here. We also return some good DEs. Which of the DE recruits do you expect to RS next season? Which ones will outgrow DE?

Hall is an OLB. Pickering is a DT. Jack Harris probably starts out at LB. Pickering likely the only freshman DL to play next year.

[msstate7]

Hall is an OLB. Pickering is a DT. Jack Harris probably starts out at LB. Pickering likely the only freshman DL to play next year.

For some reason I thought hall was around 250 lbs. I looked and see he's 210-215. I like the defensive recruits better now that I see they aren't all the same position

[Commercecomet24]

For some reason I thought hall was around 250 lbs. I looked and see he's 210-215. I like the defensive recruits better now that I see they aren't all the same position

We got some real studs coming on defense to go along with what we have on campus already.

[msstate7]

We got some real studs coming on defense to go along with what we have on campus already.

One thing we still aren't doing the best job of is recruiting 4-star CBs. This is really the only thing I can criticize at all on defensive recruiting the last few years.

[Commercecomet24]

One thing we still aren't doing the best job of is recruiting 4-star CBs. This is really the only thing I can criticize at all on defensive recruiting the last few years.

Yeah true but I love the job Shoop has done with our secondary but always nice to get the blue chippers and he could do even more.

[Cooterpoot]

James is a 4 star. I don’t care what rankings say. Emerson is legit too. This will be a sting DB class.

[Commercecomet24]

James is a 4 star. I don’t care what rankings say. Emerson is legit too. This will be a sting DB class.

Love hearing that! This year we've had so many injuries in the secondary but we've had the backups step up and we haven't missed a step. Give Shoop more talent like this and it's gonna be even better.

[bulldawg28]

One thing we still aren't doing the best job of is recruiting 4-star CBs. This is really the only thing I can criticize at all on defensive recruiting the last few years.

The corners we have now aren't 4 stars. However, they are playing elite. It's all coaching. Stop worrying about a beat writers ranking to tell you how successful a football player will be. They're not NFL professional scouts. ANY SEC offered kid is talented. Give him the right tools in coaching and he'll succeed.

[msbulldog]

One thing we still aren't doing the best job of is recruiting 4-star CBs. This is really the only thing I can criticize at all on defensive recruiting the last few years.

Elias Furge is going to be a good one he was under rated.

Hey look there, the 4000th post.