The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[hacker]

Well, it's hitting a little to close to home for me. After I posted, the AJC released the name of the camp. One of my UGA guys is on the board of the camp and his son was a counselor trainee at the camp. Son brought it home. My friend got COVID again after having had it in March - luckily mild cases. Said it hit him like a Mack truck, but only lasted a couple of days other then shortness of breath that has lasted weeks. Some how his wife and daughter have dodged both times.

He got it twice? (Just making sure I'm reading correctly.)

[BrunswickDawg]

He got it twice? (Just making sure I'm reading correctly.)

Yep. Had it in March, got it again in June.

[Prediction? Pain.]

Everything I've read says it's too early to know anything like that definitively.

Here's the most recent thing I've read on the subject, which contains links to the studies:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/27/covid19-concerns-about-lasting-heart-damage/

[confucius say]

Basically what I've read too. Too soon to know if any long lasting effects. Got to think there will be some for people who were sick though

[Prediction? Pain.]

Basically what I've read too. Too soon to know if any long lasting effects. Got to think there will be some for people who were sick though

Definitely still early in the game. But the thing that stuck out to me about that heart study is the age of the patients (average age 49), the prevalence and type of lingering effects (60-80% had lasting effects on their hearts that they didn't know about before getting MRIs in the study), and the fact that two-thirds of the test subjects had mild enough COVID symptoms that they recovered at home.

Man, how crappy is that? Recover from mild COVID like a champ only to find out months later that your heart's inflamed? Eff that, dude.

[confucius say]

Yea I saw one study that showed mild scarring in totally asymptomatic people. But I also saw one that showed a large decrease in scar tissue after being off the vent for 3 months, signaling at least some people's issues subside with time.

[DownwardDawg]

Yep. Had it in March, got it again in June.

Very interesting and scary. Thanks for posting that man.

[hacker]

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https://tass.com/coronavirus-outbreak-in-china/1184789

That's pretty big news. Will be interesting to see how that turns out for them.

[msstate7]

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https://tass.com/coronavirus-outbreak-in-china/1184789

That's pretty big news. Will be interesting to see how that turns out for them.

Russia gonna won the vaccine race? Are they known for medical break throughs?

[starkvegasdawg]

Yep. Had it in March, got it again in June.

That blows the herd immunity theory straight to hell.

[BeardoMSU]

Russia gonna won the vaccine race? Are they known for medical break throughs?

Its easy to cure COVID when you just "disappear" the people who've got it, lol.

[msstate7]

That blows the herd immunity theory straight to hell.

Yeah it certainly could. False positives would have to be considered though. Who knows? If you can get it twice in a few months though, a vaccine would need a booster shot about the same.

[msstate7]

Its easy to cure COVID when you just "disappear" the people who've got it, lol.

That'll flatten the curve for sure

[Dawgology]

Russia gonna won the vaccine race? Are they known for medical break throughs?

Russian vaccine: 9mm to head of infected.

I’m joking...


Not really

[Dawgology]

That blows the herd immunity theory straight to hell.

Not really. That’s anecdotal evidence. Could be a wild mutation. False positive the first or second time. Flu. Common cold. A number of things.

[Cooterpoot]

Yep. Had it in March, got it again in June.

Most medical folks believe the virus lingers in some and it's not two separate deals.

[BrunswickDawg]

Yeah it certainly could. False positives would have to be considered though. Who knows? If you can get it twice in a few months though, a vaccine would need a booster shot about the same.

He was symptomatic each time - so no false positives.

[BrunswickDawg]

Most medical folks believe the virus lingers in some and it's not two separate deals.

Lots of viruses can do that, so it wouldn't be surprising.

[Turfdawg67]

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https://tass.com/coronavirus-outbreak-in-china/1184789

That's pretty big news. Will be interesting to see how that turns out for them.

Since they probably created it, makes it easier to create a vaccine.

[dantheman4248]

Since they probably created it, makes it easier to create a vaccine.

Wait I thought it was China? Oh whatever we've always been at war with Eastasia

[msstate7]

Lots of viruses can do that, so it wouldn't be surprising.

Which ones and do they have a vaccine?

ETA... think back to when this just starting hitting the US. You had to show symptoms to be tested, and the overwhelming majority of tests were negative. Showing symptoms doesn't necessarily mean you didn't get a false positive. I'm sure there were a bunch of false negatives also.

[BrunswickDawg]

Which ones and do they have a vaccine?

ETA... think back to when this just starting hitting the US. You had to show symptoms to be tested, and the overwhelming majority of tests were negative. Showing symptoms doesn't necessarily mean you didn't get a false positive. I'm sure there were a bunch of false negatives also.

Chicken pox/shingles is one. They have vaccines.
Herpes is another, does not have vaccines but does have treatments.

All have asymptomatic carriers. All can be treated, but stay in tour body and come back months, or even years later.

I'm sure there are others.

[Mjoelner34]

Chicken pox/shingles is one.

I think that I'm Typhoid Mary when it comes to Chicken Pox. I've never had it but 3 different times when I was a kid, the friend that I played with that day, came down with it that night.

[chef dixon]

Chicken pox/shingles is one. They have vaccines.
Herpes is another, does not have vaccines but does have treatments.

All have asymptomatic carriers. All can be treated, but stay in tour body and come back months, or even years later.

I'm sure there are others.

Shingles is a form of herpes virus. You are correct that most of the herpes virus types are characterized by that ability to lay dormant. Shingles does have a vaccine as you mentioned. Respiratory viruses including coronavirus strains don't typically behave in that manner, so would be a new thing and I wouldn't suspect that to be the case.

I would compare the probability of a successful vaccine to other coronavirus strains and not the behavior of the virus. I also think if enough research, money and need is there, we will eventually get one that works.

[hacker]

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Scary. 27-year-old professional athlete developed a heart issue from a mild case.

From ESPN article:

Rodriguez said last Sunday that his doctors told him that 10-20% of people who have had COVID-19 also have been diagnosed with myocarditis.

[Dawg2003]

See that kind of long term stuff worries me.

[Cooterpoot]

See that kind of long term stuff worries me.

Drs have already said he'll be fine and is expected to fully recover.

[chef dixon]

Drs have already said he'll be fine and is expected to fully recover.

He will probably do better than most since he's young and otherwise healthy, but they don't know that for certain. Viral myocarditis is no joke and the prognosis is widely variable and extreme.

[Dawgology]

Mycarditis can result from any virus and is actually pretty common in flu and severe cold patients. Most folks recover and never even know they have heart damage. Others struggle for a few months and get better. It can be very dangerous for older patients (70+ yoa) if not treated. Often is a contributing factor to death in older patients who get the flu or severe cold virus.

Not suprising AT ALL that it presents strongly and consistently with a strong virus like SARS-Cov-2.

ETA: This is one thing that worries me about playing football in the fall. If a player gets this infection/damage they will probably recover and never even know. But there is still a chance they have temporary heart damage, get cleared to play, and then go 100% out there leading to a myocardial event. I would be more concerned about THAT than the actual coronavirus.

[msstate7]

The days of our state being last in everything are over...

https://www.wlbt.com/2020/08/02/harvard-health-official-miss-will-become-number-one-nation-covid-/

Yikes

[State82]

The days of our state being last in everything are over...

https://www.wlbt.com/2020/08/02/harvard-health-official-miss-will-become-number-one-nation-covid-/

Yikes

Yeah. And people think we're going to play football.

[confucius say]

MS 7 day case average is down over 10 percent from last Sunday.

[msstate7]

MS 7 day case average is down over 10 percent from last Sunday.

Today was a good report. It'll be interesting what we have tomorrow and Tuesday.

[RocketDawg]

MS 7 day case average is down over 10 percent from last Sunday.

Numbers vary a lot though. Last weekend, Alabama had just over 1000 new cases since the previous 24 hour report. This weekend (as of Sunday at 1 p.m.) there have been over 2000. Mobile County had over 500 of those, and they have well under 10% of the state population.

[RocketDawg]

That blows the herd immunity theory straight to hell.

Yep. Could be a different mutation of the virus.

[msstate7]

Yep. Could be a different mutation of the virus.
Isn't how a vaccine works is by getting enough people with an antibody to achieve herd immunity?

[Dawg2003]

Isn't how a vaccine works is by getting enough people with an antibody to achieve herd immunity?

Yes, but sometimes you can't get full herd immunity if the vaccine isn't effective enough. The MMR vaccine is 97% effective and confers lifelong immunity. The flu vaccine is only 50% or so effective and gives you 6 months before it starts to weaken. So we'll never have full herd immunity to the flu like we can with MMR. But we do have some level of herd immunity to the flu.

[Cooterpoot]

He will probably do better than most since he's young and otherwise healthy, but they don't know that for certain. Viral myocarditis is no joke and the prognosis is widely variable and extreme.

Well, I watched an interview with him and he said the Drs told him he'd be fine but didn't need to try to play ball. Just telling you what he said.

[Liverpooldawg]

Herd immunity basically depends on "once you get it, you are immune for life". There is absolutely NO reason to believe that happens with this one, NONE.

[Cowbell]

Herd immunity basically depends on "once you get it, you are immune for life". There is absolutely NO reason to believe that happens with this one, NONE.

This absolutely is not what herd immunity means.

[99jc]

Herd immunity...What a joke! Tell that to the families of the bodies I helped transport today. From what i have personally witnessed this crap will be with us for another year...And we will all be on food stamps!

[dantheman4248]

This absolutely is not what herd immunity means.

herd immunity - noun - the resistance to the spread of a contagious disease within a population that results if a sufficiently high proportion of individuals are immune to the disease, especially through vaccination.

Are you just willfully being wrong or do you actually not know elementary level vocabulary words? If the latter, why are you posting like you know with absolute fact? If the former, I'm reporting for trolling, making MSU fans look bad, and going off-topic.

[confucius say]

herd immunity - noun - the resistance to the spread of a contagious disease within a population that results if a sufficiently high proportion of individuals are immune to the disease, especially through vaccination.

Are you just willfully being wrong or do you actually not know elementary level vocabulary words? If the latter, why are you posting like you know with absolute fact? If the former, I'm reporting for trolling, making MSU fans look bad, and going off-topic.

To be fair, the definition you posted and how Liverpool defined herd immunity are not the same thing at all.

[Dawgology]

Herd immunity is simply a populations resistance to a disease. Herd immunity can be gained through natural selection, developed immunity, or vaccinations for a majority of the population.

Good examples of each:

Natural selection: A large portion of sub-saharan africa's population have developed genetic mutations over the past 300 years that make them partially resistant to malaria. This often presents as sickle-cell anemia or thalassemia in the population but actually impacts the shape of red blood cells which, in turn, impacts the microorganisms ability to "attach" to the red blood cell. These genetics mutations are, of course, as a result of wide-spread infection and death allowing the gene causing this abnormality to be passed on.

Developed Immunity: 1918 flu pandemic. Those that survived that were later immune to H1N1. There are numerous other small-scale examples but it really goes hand-in-hand with natural selection. Both natural selection and developed herd immunity is always accompanied with a higher death toll.

Vaccine based herd immunity: Polio. Measles. etc. that list goes on and on. Vaccine based herd immunity usually requires about 95% of the population to take the vaccine.

[Johnson85]

Shingles is a form of herpes virus. You are correct that most of the herpes virus types are characterized by that ability to lay dormant. Shingles does have a vaccine as you mentioned. Respiratory viruses including coronavirus strains don't typically behave in that manner, so would be a new thing and I wouldn't suspect that to be the case.

I would compare the probability of a successful vaccine to other coronavirus strains and not the behavior of the virus. I also think if enough research, money and need is there, we will eventually get one that works.

Pretty sure shingles is from teh virus that causes chicken pox? So everybody that has had chickenpox is at risk of shingles when they get older (or really at any time, but typically it happens to older people).

[Jack Lambert]

Herd immunity...What a joke! Tell that to the families of the bodies I helped transport today. From what i have personally witnessed this crap will be with us for another year...And we will all be on food stamps!

You are a government man. You will not see food stamps.

[Jack Lambert]

Herd immunity is simply a populations resistance to a disease. Herd immunity can be gained through natural selection, developed immunity, or vaccinations for a majority of the population.

Good examples of each:

Natural selection: A large portion of sub-saharan africa's population have developed genetic mutations over the past 300 years that make them partially resistant to malaria. This often presents as sickle-cell anemia or thalassemia in the population but actually impacts the shape of red blood cells which, in turn, impacts the microorganisms ability to "attach" to the red blood cell. These genetics mutations are, of course, as a result of wide-spread infection and death allowing the gene causing this abnormality to be passed on.

Developed Immunity: 1918 flu pandemic. Those that survived that were later immune to H1N1. There are numerous other small-scale examples but it really goes hand-in-hand with natural selection. Both natural selection and developed herd immunity is always accompanied with a higher death toll.

Vaccine based herd immunity: Polio. Measles. etc. that list goes on and on. Vaccine based herd immunity usually requires about 95% of the population to take the vaccine.

If you have sickle cell you will not get Malaria. If you have sickle cell traits you will not get Malaria. That is how they became immune to Malaria. But if they have sickle cell they die anyways.

[msstate7]

How many less tests were done in Florida due to storm? I wanna get excited about their drop in cases, but not sure on number of tests. Deaths going down is good regardless.

[Dawgology]

If you have sickle cell you will not get Malaria. If you have sickle cell traits you will not get Malaria. That is how they became immune to Malaria. But if they have sickle cell they die anyways.

Evolutions a bitch isn't it? Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.

[Cowbell]

To be fair, the definition you posted and how Liverpool defined herd immunity are not the same thing at all.

Thank you for acknowledging this. Reading comprehension is in short supply on this thread.

[Johnson85]

Herd immunity...What a joke! Tell that to the families of the bodies I helped transport today. From what i have personally witnessed this crap will be with us for another year...And we will all be on food stamps!


Well, what would the alternative be?

Getting to the point that the virus burns itself out is going to be painful, but trying to lock down is going to be painful, and it's not a sure thing that we will make a difference. Maybe we'll get a vaccine 1Q of 2021, maybe we want. Maybe we'll get a vaccine but find out that significant impacts on community transmission kick in at 30%, in which case we inflicted a lot of unnecessary pain for nothing. Maybe we won't get a vaccine and awe'll find out tramission doesn't slow significantly until we get 70% of the populatin infected, in which case we were just screwed regardless, but we probably picked the more painful method.

Something tragic has happened and a lot of people are going to die. Certainly not as bad as it could be, but it's really bad. Just because it's really bad doesn't mean that we can make it better by locking down. WE were probably 17ed the moment China decided they wanted to try to hide it rather than locking down and preventing spread beyond China. But even if China had been open and forthcoming, I'm not sure they realistically could have contained the spread to within China.

[Dawgology]

Well, what would the alternative be?

Getting to the point that the virus burns itself out is going to be painful, but trying to lock down is going to be painful, and it's not a sure thing that we will make a difference. Maybe we'll get a vaccine 1Q of 2021, maybe we want. Maybe we'll get a vaccine but find out that significant impacts on community transmission kick in at 30%, in which case we inflicted a lot of unnecessary pain for nothing. Maybe we won't get a vaccine and awe'll find out tramission doesn't slow significantly until we get 70% of the populatin infected, in which case we were just screwed regardless, but we probably picked the more painful method.

Something tragic has happened and a lot of people are going to die. Certainly not as bad as it could be, but it's really bad. Just because it's really bad doesn't mean that we can make it better by locking down. WE were probably 17ed the moment China decided they wanted to try to hide it rather than locking down and preventing spread beyond China. But even if China had been open and forthcoming, I'm not sure they realistically could have contained the spread to within China.

It could have been contained much more if they had been truthful about it and it's transmission rates...or the fact that it was transmittable...recall they originally told everyone it couldn't be transmitted from human to human while hiding numerous cases.

[chef dixon]

Pretty sure shingles is from teh virus that causes chicken pox? So everybody that has had chickenpox is at risk of shingles when they get older (or really at any time, but typically it happens to older people).

It is, but it's also in the herpes virus family.

[msstate7]

Arizona reporting lowest new case total since June 15th. Deaths today are 14 after only 18 yesterday.

[msstate7]

https://i.postimg.cc/hjcyh09f/6-B278-BC3-A335-4-F51-BBE1-01-CC42001-BE9.jpg (https://postimg.cc/R3pQDKpB)

https://twitter.com/stevedeaceshow/status/1290256615548030976?s=21

[confucius say]

Isn't there an old theory about the spread of viruses moving along latitude lines?

[Dolphus Raymond]

New cases in Mississippi have been declining over the past few days. Very good news and I hope the trend continues.

[dparker]

Some information on studies involving kids.

https://www.vox.com/21352597/covid-19-children-infection-transmission-new-studies

[Dawgology]

Strange anecdotal case. My young nephew (under 6 months old) recently tested positive. His mom took him because he was showing symptoms of a cold (mild fever, runny nose, sneeze). Now, this kiddo was born back in March right in the teeth of the pandemic fear sweeping the nation. He's been kept at home since the beginning of this. Literally, hasn't left home since he was brought home from the hospital.

As such...only 5 people have come into contact with him. His parents and their parents. No one else has been allowed to the house and they all wear masks and wash hands constantly. Of course, once he tested positive all of them had to be tested. Here's the twist...none of them tested positive. Everyone is scratching their heads over how this little guy got it.

[Liverpooldawg]

Strange anecdotal case. My young nephew (under 6 months old) recently tested positive. His mom took him because he was showing symptoms of a cold (mild fever, runny nose, sneeze). Now, this kiddo was born back in March right in the teeth of the pandemic fear sweeping the nation. He's been kept at home since the beginning of this. Literally, hasn't left home since he was brought home from the hospital.

As such...only 5 people have come into contact with him. His parents and their parents. No one else has been allowed to the house and they all wear masks and wash hands constantly. Of course, once he tested positive all of them had to be tested. Here's the twist...none of them tested positive. Everyone is scratching their heads over how this little guy got it.

The logical thing is that one of the 5 had it but was asymptomatic, passed it on to him, but was no longer + by the time they were tested.

[Jack Lambert]

Strange anecdotal case. My young nephew (under 6 months old) recently tested positive. His mom took him because he was showing symptoms of a cold (mild fever, runny nose, sneeze). Now, this kiddo was born back in March right in the teeth of the pandemic fear sweeping the nation. He's been kept at home since the beginning of this. Literally, hasn't left home since he was brought home from the hospital.

As such...only 5 people have come into contact with him. His parents and their parents. No one else has been allowed to the house and they all wear masks and wash hands constantly. Of course, once he tested positive all of them had to be tested. Here's the twist...none of them tested positive. Everyone is scratching their heads over how this little guy got it.

They might want to get him tested again to make sure it was correct. Now my bother had it and was in ICU. They traced it back to the Doctors office where he caught it.

[hacker]

New cases in Mississippi have been declining over the past few days. Very good news and I hope the trend continues.

Don't forget Sundays and Mondays are always slow reporting days.

[Johnson85]

It could have been contained much more if they had been truthful about it and it's transmission rates...or the fact that it was transmittable...recall they originally told everyone it couldn't be transmitted from human to human while hiding numerous cases.


It would have made a difference early on, which certainly could have reduced deaths in New York and Italy and other places it hit early, but at the end of the day, I'm not sure they could have prevented a respiratory virus like this from spreading. Of course it could have made it much less economically painful to hold off until a vaccine is available, but I'm not sure the resources get thrown towards a vaccine the same way if it didn't explode to begin with. Maybe we also don't have the panic though so we don't throw a bunch of economic damage from our response on top of the economic damage from the virus.

[confucius say]

Don't forget Sundays and Mondays are always slow reporting days.

Very true.
7 day average is down over 200 from last Monday.

And nationally, 7 day average is falling substantially. The graph should update about 9 pm tonight and it looks like it will drop a good bit again. Hope so.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Jacklambert, how long did it take your brother to recover? This is really a strange virus. I had a cousin catch COVID and then his wife caught it. One recovered with no problem at home, while the other ended up in the hospital for a week (Not in the ICU, however.)

[dantheman4248]

To be fair, the definition you posted and how Liverpool defined herd immunity are not the same thing at all.

gonna need you to break down the differences there because... you and especially cowbell are wrong until you can show me how you manipulated context clues to make his statement not mean similar to what I posted.

[Cowbell]

Strange anecdotal case. My young nephew (under 6 months old) recently tested positive. His mom took him because he was showing symptoms of a cold (mild fever, runny nose, sneeze). Now, this kiddo was born back in March right in the teeth of the pandemic fear sweeping the nation. He's been kept at home since the beginning of this. Literally, hasn't left home since he was brought home from the hospital.

As such...only 5 people have come into contact with him. His parents and their parents. No one else has been allowed to the house and they all wear masks and wash hands constantly. Of course, once he tested positive all of them had to be tested. Here's the twist...none of them tested positive. Everyone is scratching their heads over how this little guy got it.
Exact same thing happened with my wife. We had been self quarantining for weeks. Could have only gotten it from the mail or groceries.

[Cooterpoot]

Strange anecdotal case. My young nephew (under 6 months old) recently tested positive. His mom took him because he was showing symptoms of a cold (mild fever, runny nose, sneeze). Now, this kiddo was born back in March right in the teeth of the pandemic fear sweeping the nation. He's been kept at home since the beginning of this. Literally, hasn't left home since he was brought home from the hospital.

As such...only 5 people have come into contact with him. His parents and their parents. No one else has been allowed to the house and they all wear masks and wash hands constantly. Of course, once he tested positive all of them had to be tested. Here's the twist...none of them tested positive. Everyone is scratching their heads over how this little guy got it.

One of them could've had and been asymptomatic and given it him. Could've passed by the time they were tested. They should have an antibody test.

[msstate7]

I was just looking into our (MS) testing stats bc I hear we're leading the country in posi %, and I noticed this...

https://i.postimg.cc/SQfCJpnn/E807-F0-A1-22-DB-4-A00-8-DAD-223-C6-E00408-D.jpg (https://postimg.cc/QVVHywkD)

https://i.postimg.cc/mDvP58p1/32-C128-E8-6596-4-FEB-ADDD-958-B8-DD4-E6-A1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/cgc1KMSd)

https://i.postimg.cc/B6K6H2ZS/62-E40223-CA3-E-4491-85-B9-4-C6-C667-A0-E4-F.jpg (https://postimg.cc/G8bd18sV)

https://i.postimg.cc/GtnpQ99k/97-BBF260-9922-4-E6-D-B133-25-CEA90-DE909.jpg (https://postimg.cc/LYvR49tX)

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states/mississippi

Now this was just clicking random dates, so I'm not sure how many days like this there are. Think 3655 positives in 3655 total tests can skew positive %?

[hacker]

I was just looking into our (MS) testing stats bc I hear we're leading the country in posi %, and I noticed this...

https://i.postimg.cc/SQfCJpnn/E807-F0-A1-22-DB-4-A00-8-DAD-223-C6-E00408-D.jpg (https://postimg.cc/QVVHywkD)

https://i.postimg.cc/mDvP58p1/32-C128-E8-6596-4-FEB-ADDD-958-B8-DD4-E6-A1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/cgc1KMSd)

https://i.postimg.cc/B6K6H2ZS/62-E40223-CA3-E-4491-85-B9-4-C6-C667-A0-E4-F.jpg (https://postimg.cc/G8bd18sV)

https://i.postimg.cc/GtnpQ99k/97-BBF260-9922-4-E6-D-B133-25-CEA90-DE909.jpg (https://postimg.cc/LYvR49tX)

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states/mississippi

Now this was just clicking random dates, so I'm not sure how many days like this there are. Think 3655 positives in 3655 total tests can skew positive %?

That's why 7 day averages are useful. Some days tests are not updated on the MSDH website. They're dumped later. The negatives will be included in 7 day average, so no, I don't think it's skewed.

[msstate7]

That's why 7 day averages are useful. Some days tests are not updated on the MSDH website. They're dumped later. The negatives will be included in 7 day average, so no, I don't think it's skewed.

According to when you look at the 7-day avg. Right now, we're at 23.3%, but no negatives reported the last 2 days.

[hacker]

According to when you look at the 7-day avg. Right now, we're at 23.3%, but no negatives reported the last 2 days.

And the previous 5 days contain extra negatives from the previous dump. 10k tests reported last Wednesday, but we average about 6-7k a day. It averages out.

[Johnson85]

gonna need you to break down the differences there because... you and especially cowbell are wrong until you can show me how you manipulated context clues to make his statement not mean similar to what I posted.

No, that's you that is wrong. Your definition does not require that a person be immune for life for there to be some level of herd immunity as Liverpool claimed. Liverpool is defining herd immunity to be basically something that's never achieved. We have a pretty good measles vaccine and most people would say we have herd immunity, but we still occasionally have outbreaks (mostly because of morons, but some of those outbreaks presumably include people whose vaccine just did not give them immunity for one reason or another). There is a level where it's fair to say the resistance is so low that it's a misnomer to call it herd "immunity."

I think that would be a fair criticism of the definition you used with respect to something like the flu. Yes, we have resistance to the spread of the typical flu because of some cross immunity and vaccination, but we're still going to have 5-7% of the population get it most years. I think it's fair to say that's not any type of immunity, even if there is a resistance to spread.

[Johnson85]

And the previous 5 days contain extra negatives from the previous dump. 10k tests reported last Wednesday, but we average about 6-7k a day. It averages out.

Why do you think the negatives are reported later than the positives? Are you seeing that somewhere or are you just assuming they are eventually reported?

[hacker]

Why do you think the negatives are reported later than the positives? Are you seeing that somewhere or are you just assuming they are eventually reported?

Because looking at historical data, usually the day after no tests are reported, twice as many tests are reported. Then the following days it regresses to the mean.

[Johnson85]

Because looking at historical data, usually the day after no tests are reported, twice as many tests are reported. Then the following days it regresses to the mean.

I get that there are days that have dumps of prior tests. But why do you think they include just the negatives from days where positives were already reported? It doesn't seem far fetched to me that that would happen. I could see labs reporting positives as they come up, and then doing a weekly dump of the rest. But I wouldn't just assume that happens. Has MDS said that's what happening? Or do you see something in the data to suggest it?

[Dawgology]

There have been more than a few private clinics that were not reporting negative tests. That was remedied last week or two weeks ago I believe.

[hacker]

I get that there are days that have dumps of prior tests. But why do you think they include just the negatives from days where positives were already reported? It doesn't seem far fetched to me that that would happen. I could see labs reporting positives as they come up, and then doing a weekly dump of the rest. But I wouldn't just assume that happens. Has MDS said that's what happening? Or do you see something in the data to suggest it?

It just seems the most plausible explanation given that most weeks look something like this:

Monday: 0 tests reported
Tuesday: 10000 tests reported
Wednesday-Sunday: 5000 tests reported

[msstate7]

It just seems the most plausible explanation given that most weeks look something like this:

Monday: 0 tests reported
Tuesday: 10000 tests reported
Wednesday-Sunday: 5000 tests reported

Maybe so, but our neighboring states have wild fluctuations in test numbers, but they report total tests each day they report cases.

https://i.postimg.cc/5251y8v7/C95-CE44-E-78-EA-4441-A892-21-FB51299-F34.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/W1Vz5Nwy/CC92744-B-047-A-4-F15-A722-EEB18933957-E.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/j5DSDLRD/A7106352-7-AA1-4360-9-CB7-D882-C1-FB37-A9.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/8C9VnwVC/78-A930-AF-312-D-4-C2-A-A06-A-ACBF475-CD933.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[msstate7]

Here comes Spain... over 5000 new cases today for first time since April 24th. 26 new deaths is most since June 5th.

[Johnson85]

It just seems the most plausible explanation given that most weeks look something like this:

Monday: 0 tests reported
Tuesday: 10000 tests reported
Wednesday-Sunday: 5000 tests reported

But why do you think they are just reporting the negatives? It seems at least as plausible that some clinics report positives but don't report negatives. Some clinics either don't report everyday, or alternatively the MSDH only incporates those labs tests into the data certain days. Unless the data also shows the positive test rate going from 100%, to 5% to 15% or some pattern like that, it seems just as plausible that the negative tests from some clinics just aren't being reported. Not that they are being reported on different days from the positive tests.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Over 1000 new cases and 42 deaths in Mississippi today. I was hoping we would continue to see new infections decrease.

[msstate7]

Over 1000 new cases and 42 deaths in Mississippi today. I was hoping we would continue to see new infections decrease.

Not sure how many tests were given today, but down 19.97% in cases from last Tuesday. Deaths are the same as last Tuesday.

[hacker]

It just seems the most plausible explanation given that most weeks look something like this:

Monday: 0 tests reported
Tuesday: 10000 tests reported
Wednesday-Sunday: 5000 tests reported

Today's numbers have been reported.

This week:

Sunday: 0 tests reported
Monday: 0 tests reported
Today: 15000 tests reported

We average around 5000 tests a day. 1000 of those positive. 20% positivity rate. Everything checks out.

(liberal use of rounding in calculations to help make my point)

[hacker]

But why do you think they are just reporting the negatives? It seems at least as plausible that some clinics report positives but don't report negatives. Some clinics either don't report everyday, or alternatively the MSDH only incporates those labs tests into the data certain days. Unless the data also shows the positive test rate going from 100%, to 5% to 15% or some pattern like that, it seems just as plausible that the negative tests from some clinics just aren't being reported. Not that they are being reported on different days from the positive tests.

MSDH just doesn't update its test numbers some days, usually on weekends.

I don't think it's just as plausible that 100% of our cases reported the past two days came only from clinics that don't report negatives and also today we suddenly have 3x as many tests reported for no reason.

[Dawgology]

MSDH just doesn't update its test numbers some days, usually on weekends.

I don't think it's just as plausible that 100% of our cases reported the past two days came only from clinics that don't report negatives and also today we suddenly have 3x as many tests reported for no reason.

No doubt that shouldn't be happening anymore. Test number lag. Test results lag. Mortality rate lags. We are constantly looking at the picture as it was 3 days - 2 weeks ago.

[msstate7]

Today's numbers have been reported.

This week:

Sunday: 0 tests reported
Monday: 0 tests reported
Today: 15000 tests reported

We average around 5000 tests a day. 1000 of those positive. 20% positivity rate. Everything checks out.

(liberal use of rounding in calculations to help make my point)

That seems right.

Last 3 days' cases are 672, 572, and 1074 for a total of 2318. If its 15000 tests, that's 15.5%

[Johnson85]

MSDH just doesn't update its test numbers some days, usually on weekends.

I don't think it's just as plausible that 100% of our cases reported the past two days came only from clinics that don't report negatives and also today we suddenly have 3x as many tests reported for no reason.

Where are you looking to see the cases? Have you just kept up the last few days? Or is there a graph or chart for tests per day that I am missing?

[confucius say]

Over 1000 new cases and 42 deaths in Mississippi today. I was hoping we would continue to see new infections decrease.

They did decrease by 20% from last Tuesday. Monday was down from last Monday. Sunday too. Cases were down 10 percent last week and looks like will be down again this week.

[confucius say]

gonna need you to break down the differences there because... you and especially cowbell are wrong until you can show me how you manipulated context clues to make his statement not mean similar to what I posted.

Easy homey.
His definition of herd immunity was predicated upon lifelong immunity following exposure to the virus. The definition you quoted was not. It didn't speak in such absolutes or confine the achievement of herd immunity the way his did.

[hacker]

Where are you looking to see the cases? Have you just kept up the last few days? Or is there a graph or chart for tests per day that I am missing?

Actually, I'm wrong. They didn't update tests again today. I got confused about Total (PCR + Antibody) and PCR tests (there's about a 16k difference).

Today: https://covidtracking.com/screenshots/MS/MS-20200804-182114.png
July 31: https://covidtracking.com/screenshots/MS/MS-20200801-181637.png

To answer your question, you can see historical data and a chart of new tests here: https://covidtracking.com/data/state/mississippi

I agree that 7 day average positivity % will be out of whack until they dump tests, but I expect it to average out by the end of the week.

[99jc]

Good news 1 headed home.
Good news 2 our final briefing today was encouraging. While the virus has mutated to be more contagious than the original than entered the country in early February it is not as lethal. But they still mandated wearing mask and gloves in public places.

Now the bad. We were all told to stock up on non-perishable food items 60 day supply for our families through the end of the year. The consensus is when school starts back we will have a major outbreak and food supplies may be affected. The government is not expecting an effective vaccine until after next summer. its hard to distinguish between fact and fiction anymore. Hopefully we will make it through the winter unscathed but i feel another deployment coming on. Hope all of you are safe and Hailstate! And GTHOM!

[SheltonChoked]

Good news 1 headed home.
Good news 2 our final briefing today was encouraging. While the virus has mutated to be more contagious than the original than entered the country in early February it is not as lethal. But they still mandated wearing mask and gloves in public places.

Now the bad. We were all told to stock up on non-perishable food items 60 day supply for our families through the end of the year. The consensus is when school starts back we will have a major outbreak and food supplies may be affected. The government is not expecting an effective vaccine until after next summer. its hard to distinguish between fact and fiction anymore. Hopefully we will make it through the winter unscathed but i feel another deployment coming on. Hope all of you are safe and Hailstate! And GTHOM!


Thanks you the update
Thanks for doing what you do.

Stay safe.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Good news 1 headed home.
Good news 2 our final briefing today was encouraging. While the virus has mutated to be more contagious than the original than entered the country in early February it is not as lethal. But they still mandated wearing mask and gloves in public places.

Now the bad. We were all told to stock up on non-perishable food items 60 day supply for our families through the end of the year. The consensus is when school starts back we will have a major outbreak and food supplies may be affected. The government is not expecting an effective vaccine until after next summer. its hard to distinguish between fact and fiction anymore. Hopefully we will make it through the winter unscathed but i feel another deployment coming on. Hope all of you are safe and Hailstate! And GTHOM!
I think we will either have herd immunity or the virus will burn out before we have a vaccine.

[Homedawg]

I think we will either have herd immunity or the virus will burn out before we have a vaccine.

I just can't seeing it burn out. And a vaccine is helpful but won't stop it.... so then what??

[Todd4State]

I just can't seeing it burn out. And a vaccine is helpful but won't stop it.... so then what??

The correct answer is we just have to learn to live with it like the other diseases of the past like Polio, measles, and etc.

Of course that's not "woke" and we should continue to shut our lives down forever.

[Homedawg]

The correct answer is we just have to learn to live with it like the other diseases of the past like Polio, measles, and etc.

Of course that's not "woke" and we should continue to shut our lives down forever.

Agreed!! That my point....

[Commercecomet24]

The correct answer is we just have to learn to live with it like the other diseases of the past like Polio, measles, and etc.

Of course that's not "woke" and we should continue to shut our lives down forever.

Exactly, This is the correct answer.

[Gutter Cobreh]

The correct answer is we just have to learn to live with it like the other diseases of the past like Polio, measles, and etc.

Of course that's not "woke" and we should continue to shut our lives down forever.

What exactly is currently shut down?

[HoopsDawg]

What exactly is currently shut down?

D2 football?

[Todd4State]

What exactly is currently shut down?

Well, where I live- bars for one thing. And without question there are limitations on capacity at certain things like restaurants, parties, gatherings, church, and "guidelines" about wearing masks. I can't go to a MLB baseball game right now. And we're having to come up with a completely different football schedule.

But at least I can protest something the media likes.

I can't believe that was a serious question and I really shouldn't have given it a serious answer but since you asked.

[KOdawg1]

D2 football?

Nice

[KOdawg1]

The correct answer is we just have to learn to live with it like the other diseases of the past like Polio, measles, and etc.

Of course that's not "woke" and we should continue to shut our lives down forever.

This is the correct answer. We'll develop better treatment options as we learn more about it as well. Also, the mass panic will die down some around mid-November.

[BrunswickDawg]

The correct answer is we just have to learn to live with it like the other diseases of the past like Polio, measles, and etc.

Of course that's not "woke" and we should continue to shut our lives down forever.

You do realize that all the things we are being asked to do now - masks, quarantines, limiting gatherings, contact tracing, shutting down some aspects of life - were all done in the past to combat those diseases. We also took those things seriously, because we cared about our neighbors instead only caring about "my freedoms". Why do you think each county in every state has a public health departments? Most of those departments were the front lines to combat local outbreaks of the diseases you are talking about - they did that hard work of establishing and maintaining quarantines when Timmy exposed his friends to polio after catching it at summer camp. We shut down things regularly 100 years ago to combat these type of outbreaks - yellow fever, measles, polio, etc etc. What we are experiencing now on a global scale is what "normal" was during the times when all those diseases were issues, they were the actions communities had to take to survive.

[msstate7]

What exactly is currently shut down?

NYC? Establishing checkpoints coming into the city. Pretty crazy a left-leaning city like NYC would love open borders, but wants to shut down travel into their city from other Americans. Deblasio has also shut down church services.

There are many more states/cities shutting down church, funerals, restaurants, and such.

[msstate7]

You do realize that all the things we are being asked to do now - masks, quarantines, limiting gatherings, contact tracing, shutting down some aspects of life - were all done in the past to combat those diseases. We also took those things seriously, because we cared about our neighbors instead only caring about "my freedoms". Why do you think each county in every state has a public health departments? Most of those departments were the front lines to combat local outbreaks of the diseases you are talking about - they did that hard work of establishing and maintaining quarantines when Timmy exposed his friends to polio after catching it at summer camp. We shut down things regularly 100 years ago to combat these type of outbreaks - yellow fever, measles, polio, etc etc. What we are experiencing now on a global scale is what "normal" was during the times when all those diseases were issues, they were the actions communities had to take to survive.

Pretty hard to take the restrictions seriously when they don't apply to famous people's funerals or protests.

[BrunswickDawg]

NYC? Establishing checkpoints coming into the city. Pretty crazy a left-leaning city like NYC would love open borders, but wants to shut down travel into their city from other Americans. Deblasio has also shut down church services.

There are many more states/cities shutting down church, funerals, restaurants, and such.

Florida has had checkpoints coming into the state off and on since March

[BrunswickDawg]

Pretty hard to take the restrictions seriously when they don't apply to famous people's funerals or protests.

Or when the President spends 5 months denying its a problem, then all the sudden starts promoting wearing masks?

[msstate7]

Florida has had checkpoints coming into the state off and on since March

I don't like em. I don't care who does them.

[Dolphus Raymond]

At least ?children are virtually immune to COVID-19?. We?ve got that going for us.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Italy and Sweden had two completely different strategies.... but so far have had similar results.

[msstate7]

https://i.postimg.cc/y69hTqGy/753-EBE1-A-1-F50-43-B6-8-DF7-7-D79490-A4065.jpg (https://postimg.cc/grz6Y7mx)

https://i.postimg.cc/yNc6bPCt/3-CBC77-D2-00-C8-43-A5-96-A4-41-D9093-AC08-D.jpg (https://postimg.cc/4K4TKpdQ)

https://i.postimg.cc/2y6Drdgz/EA147-B76-6-AF5-4265-877-A-FEA4416-F7-DBF.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Q9RPq7XP)

https://i.postimg.cc/Tw28Jqdr/A24-B357-C-02-E6-43-E0-8-E7-D-CF43-BF5487-B6.jpg (https://postimg.cc/sBL0VWZX)

https://i.postimg.cc/8CH9cJRs/3-D0-CA196-4-CF7-46-FC-BF89-D0-D28-CB48-E92.jpg (https://postimg.cc/p9mq1d1t)

https://i.postimg.cc/131jKcMf/66-BB5-D95-2-EE0-4-FEF-B894-2-A4-EFBFA4-E9-F.jpg (https://postimg.cc/vcXhYnJs)

https://i.postimg.cc/GtsXFHyF/252-C95-BC-84-E4-4-F59-866-B-68-BAFEE9-DB12.jpg (https://postimg.cc/7Jw1DPXh)

Southern states appear to be past peak.

[msstate7]

At least ?children are virtually immune to COVID-19?. We?ve got that going for us.

Obviously they aren't "immune". I'm sure he meant less susceptible, but maybe he didn't... I don't know.

[Cooterpoot]

NYC? Establishing checkpoints coming into the city. Pretty crazy a left-leaning city like NYC would love open borders, but wants to shut down travel into their city from other Americans. Deblasio has also shut down church services.

There are many more states/cities shutting down church, funerals, restaurants, and such.

They probably charge an additional toll to get in and get checked.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Well, where I live- bars for one thing. And without question there are limitations on capacity at certain things like restaurants, parties, gatherings, church, and "guidelines" about wearing masks. I can't go to a MLB baseball game right now. And we're having to come up with a completely different football schedule.

But at least I can protest something the media likes.

I can't believe that was a serious question and I really shouldn't have given it a serious answer but since you asked.

Limiting capacity is not shutting down, but please continue to use hyperbole regarding this "fake Chinese virus".

Also, are you mad at the MLB for not figuring out a way to have limited attendance or think that's a government/media issue as well?


NYC? Establishing checkpoints coming into the city. Pretty crazy a left-leaning city like NYC would love open borders, but wants to shut down travel into their city from other Americans. Deblasio has also shut down church services.

There are many more states/cities shutting down church, funerals, restaurants, and such.

So they aren't letting anyone through the checkpoints? If they are, then their "border" isn't shut down. Maybe limited, but not shut down.

Also, a building doesn't make a church. Didn't you learn as a child that the church is the people?

[Ari Gold]

Limiting capacity is not shutting down, but please continue to use hyperbole regarding this "fake Chinese virus".

Also, are you mad at the MLB for not figuring out a way to have limited attendance or think that's a government/media issue as well?



So they aren't letting anyone through the checkpoints? If they are, then their "border" isn't shut down. Maybe limited, but not shut down.

Also, a building doesn't make a church. Didn't you learn as a child that the church is the people?

It is the Chinese Virus that’s for sure...

[Dawgology]

Honestly...we need a good treatment more than we need a vaccine. Here is why: vaccine will force mutation on this virus due to natural selection. That can make it more contagious and more deadly really fast and things can spiral out of control with a virus of this type even further than it already has.

A good treatment or medication that will clear up an infection quickly will allow the virus to run it's course and settle down into the population where it will be treated more like a common cold. Additionally, any treatment developed for this virus will probably be effective on the common cold so that's a double plus.

[Dawgology]

Limiting capacity is not shutting down, but please continue to use hyperbole regarding this "fake Chinese virus".

Also, are you mad at the MLB for not figuring out a way to have limited attendance or think that's a government/media issue as well?



So they aren't letting anyone through the checkpoints? If they are, then their "border" isn't shut down. Maybe limited, but not shut down.

Also, a building doesn't make a church. Didn't you learn as a child that the church is the people?

So...you're saying it's okay if you legally go through the checkpoint into NY but not okay if you sneak through the border into NY?

Interesting.

[Johnson85]

https://i.postimg.cc/y69hTqGy/753-EBE1-A-1-F50-43-B6-8-DF7-7-D79490-A4065.jpg (https://postimg.cc/grz6Y7mx)

https://i.postimg.cc/yNc6bPCt/3-CBC77-D2-00-C8-43-A5-96-A4-41-D9093-AC08-D.jpg (https://postimg.cc/4K4TKpdQ)

https://i.postimg.cc/2y6Drdgz/EA147-B76-6-AF5-4265-877-A-FEA4416-F7-DBF.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Q9RPq7XP)

https://i.postimg.cc/Tw28Jqdr/A24-B357-C-02-E6-43-E0-8-E7-D-CF43-BF5487-B6.jpg (https://postimg.cc/sBL0VWZX)

https://i.postimg.cc/8CH9cJRs/3-D0-CA196-4-CF7-46-FC-BF89-D0-D28-CB48-E92.jpg (https://postimg.cc/p9mq1d1t)

https://i.postimg.cc/131jKcMf/66-BB5-D95-2-EE0-4-FEF-B894-2-A4-EFBFA4-E9-F.jpg (https://postimg.cc/vcXhYnJs)

https://i.postimg.cc/GtsXFHyF/252-C95-BC-84-E4-4-F59-866-B-68-BAFEE9-DB12.jpg (https://postimg.cc/7Jw1DPXh)

Southern states appear to be past peak.

So that is just positive cases reported each day, correct? If that's the case, because of the lag in testing, we could be doing better or worse than that. A lot of those results are from tests that took place five or even seven days before. If the mask mandates have made a difference, hopefully we'll see a sharp drop.

[Liverpooldawg]

You do realize that all the things we are being asked to do now - masks, quarantines, limiting gatherings, contact tracing, shutting down some aspects of life - were all done in the past to combat those diseases. We also took those things seriously, because we cared about our neighbors instead only caring about "my freedoms". Why do you think each county in every state has a public health departments? Most of those departments were the front lines to combat local outbreaks of the diseases you are talking about - they did that hard work of establishing and maintaining quarantines when Timmy exposed his friends to polio after catching it at summer camp. We shut down things regularly 100 years ago to combat these type of outbreaks - yellow fever, measles, polio, etc etc. What we are experiencing now on a global scale is what "normal" was during the times when all those diseases were issues, they were the actions communities had to take to survive.

EXACTLY

[confucius say]

That's the 7 day average.
I like mask and they help, but we've reached 20% infection rate and I believe that is the most significant driver of cases being down. Same with Florida. Texas is not at 20% yet so I figure they have a little while longer.

MS cases daily 7 day average is down 20% from July 30. 1362 per day average to 1091. That should be the lead story all over the state.

[confucius say]

The virus is fizzling. Just like every coronavirus in the history of mankind has done. That is not to say it will completely go away, or there won't be one more push come winter (other coronaviruses have had those), but it won't be a significant threat much longer. When the updated 7 day average numbers run tonight, MS will be averaging about 12 cases per county each day. And that number is falling. Cheers.

[gtowndawg]

The correct answer is we just have to learn to live with it like the other diseases of the past like Polio, measles, and etc.

Of course that's not "woke" and we should continue to shut our lives down forever.

Agreed.

[gtowndawg]

Not going to name a name but I have a friend in a highly (elected) position in Shelby County (Memphis and surrounding areas). He texted me this morning and said he was "very optimistic" about things as of today.

[confucius say]

Not going to name a name but I have a friend in a highly (elected) position in Shelby County (Memphis and surrounding areas). He texted me this morning and said he was "very optimistic" about things as of today.

In regard to what? The virus or football?

[Turfdawg67]

Dupe

[Turfdawg67]

Well, where I live- bars for one thing. And without question there are limitations on capacity at certain things like restaurants, parties, gatherings, church, and "guidelines" about wearing masks. I can't go to a MLB baseball game right now. And we're having to come up with a completely different football schedule.

But at least I can protest something the media likes.

I can't believe that was a serious question and I really shouldn't have given it a serious answer but since you asked.

Awwww... poor wittle baby.

[revdrdawg]

I get your point, but still bad comparisons. We have eradicated Polio (at least in US). Measles could be eradicated and an effective vaccine is available to almost anyone who wants it. A better comparison is Influenza...vaccine is good but not fully effective. Thus, we have learned to "live with it."

[gtowndawg]

In regard to what? The virus or football?

Sorry, the virus.

[Johnson85]

Sorry, the virus.

What are his political leanings? In other words, is he optimistic because he thinks good news is coming? Or because bad news is coming?*

[starkvegasdawg]

Anybody heard anything on this drug before?

https://www.trialsitenews.com/rlf-100-aviptadil-associated-with-rapid-respiratory-failure-recovery-among-covid-19-patients/

[Dawgology]

Anybody heard anything on this drug before?

https://www.trialsitenews.com/rlf-100-aviptadil-associated-with-rapid-respiratory-failure-recovery-among-covid-19-patients/

That's very encouraging. That's the kind of thing we need.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Corinth, MS making national news!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/06/school-coronavirus-outbreak-mississippi/#comments-wrapper

7 positive cases, 116 quarantined.

Couple questions for those of you that dismiss the virus and/or the impact on kids:
1) If the 6 that tested positive are asymptomatic - what are the chances that they'll spread that to a family member?
2) The district has around 2,600 kids and now 5% of them are in quarantine within the first week. What are your thoughts on how this turns out and what would be the tipping point to move to an online learning environment?
3) Do you think this will impact the local hospital?

I'm using a MS school that is doing what a lot of schools around the country seem to be doing and giving in-person learning a shot and they're trying to weather the new normal. I know there are quite a few on here that believe we need to live like we did prior to the virus (and I understand the thought to a certain degree), but at what point do you shut down the experiment and/or do you continue the entire school year like you started?

[Johnson85]

Corinth, MS making national news!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/06/school-coronavirus-outbreak-mississippi/#comments-wrapper

7 positive cases, 116 quarantined.

Couple questions for those of you that dismiss the virus and/or the impact on kids:
1) If the 6 that tested positive are asymptomatic - what are the chances that they'll spread that to a family member? Who knows. It appears the likelihood is much less once they get younger than around 12, but there's limited data. Some examples indicating maybe under 12 do spread it (like summer camp and Israel examples) but hard to say because there are adults and older children that could be doing the spreading. For asymptomatic people in general, obviously some don't spread it, but not all of the spread is by ass holes that are going about their normal activities while symptomatic. But regardless, because of the uncertainty, the approach should be the same. If the parents feel like they or other people in their household aren't in a position ot take that risk, they shouldn't send their kids to school. Hopefully the district offers a distance learning option.


2) The district has around 2,600 kids and now 5% of them are in quarantine within the first week. What are your thoughts on how this turns out and what would be the tipping point to move to an online learning environment? I think eventually people probably loosen up their quarantine procedures. When people are actually sick, it very likeliy could make sense to send everybody home for a couple of weeks, but not because you are choosing to quarantine people. Maybe we should look into the feasibility of going distance learning for a week or two at a time during flu season going forward, but we just don't have the support systems in place right now and it would be too disruptive.


3) Do you think this will impact the local hospital? It will absolutely impact the hospital. You're not going to have people gather like that and there not be some spread. There's a question of how much it will impact the hosptial, but schools are wayyyy down the list of things that should be shut down. You don't shut down schools while allowing dine-in at restaurants for example. If you shut down all the other less essential stuff and can't keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed, then you look at the impact the schools are having.


I'm using a MS school that is doing what a lot of schools around the country seem to be doing and giving in-person learning a shot and they're trying to weather the new normal. I know there are quite a few on here that believe we need to live like we did prior to the virus (and I understand the thought to a certain degree), but at what point do you shut down the experiment and/or do you continue the entire school year like you started? Unless we find out that the virus has mutated to where kids are at more risk than they are from the flu, you just chug ahead and do your best to accommodate people for whom that doesn't work. Do your best with virtual learning. Try to utilize any good teachers with risk factors or family with risk factors in the distance learning to keep them. Do your best to limit the spread knowing that there is just a limited amount you can do with students, especially young ones, and try to help employees that can't stomach the risk and that can't be utilized in a role with risks they can stomach to find other jobs. Not sure what else you can do. Pandemics suck and they make people's lives worse, even those who don't get sick. But you have to minimize the damage the best you can.

[confucius say]

We are averaging 971 cases per day now per worldometers. That's 12 per county per day.

[msstate7]

https://i.postimg.cc/QxyjYBPf/8-B91-D6-DD-8861-415-A-8871-D246310365-FE.jpg (https://postimg.cc/zVTmVfqh)

https://twitter.com/claytravis/status/1291734523223384065?s=21

[Gutter Cobreh]

Who knows. It appears the likelihood is much less once they get younger than around 12, but there's limited data. Some examples indicating maybe under 12 do spread it (like summer camp and Israel examples) but hard to say because there are adults and older children that could be doing the spreading. For asymptomatic people in general, obviously some don't spread it, but not all of the spread is by ass holes that are going about their normal activities while symptomatic. But regardless, because of the uncertainty, the approach should be the same. If the parents feel like they or other people in their household aren't in a position ot take that risk, they shouldn't send their kids to school. Hopefully the district offers a distance learning option.

I think eventually people probably loosen up their quarantine procedures. When people are actually sick, it very likeliy could make sense to send everybody home for a couple of weeks, but not because you are choosing to quarantine people. Maybe we should look into the feasibility of going distance learning for a week or two at a time during flu season going forward, but we just don't have the support systems in place right now and it would be too disruptive.

It will absolutely impact the hospital. You're not going to have people gather like that and there not be some spread. There's a question of how much it will impact the hosptial, but schools are wayyyy down the list of things that should be shut down. You don't shut down schools while allowing dine-in at restaurants for example. If you shut down all the other less essential stuff and can't keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed, then you look at the impact the schools are having.

Unless we find out that the virus has mutated to where kids are at more risk than they are from the flu, you just chug ahead and do your best to accommodate people for whom that doesn't work. Do your best with virtual learning. Try to utilize any good teachers with risk factors or family with risk factors in the distance learning to keep them. Do your best to limit the spread knowing that there is just a limited amount you can do with students, especially young ones, and try to help employees that can't stomach the risk and that can't be utilized in a role with risks they can stomach to find other jobs. Not sure what else you can do. Pandemics suck and they make people's lives worse, even those who don't get sick. But you have to minimize the damage the best you can.

Appreciate the response! Overall, I agree with your points.

I appreciate their willingness to contact trace, but when you quarantine 100+ people due to 7 cases, how feasible is that process? On the flip side, if you don't quarantine - you're giving the virus a means to spread even more rapidly. Catch 22.

As time goes forward, they may be able to narrow down that most cases are a result of high school and can alter those plans. If they see widespread between elementary, middle, and high school - that would make it exponentially more difficult.

[Gutter Cobreh]

https://i.postimg.cc/QxyjYBPf/8-B91-D6-DD-8861-415-A-8871-D246310365-FE.jpg (https://postimg.cc/zVTmVfqh)

https://twitter.com/claytravis/status/1291734523223384065?s=21

Do we trust Clay Travis or the Washington Post, or neither?

The Post states that FL closed down testing sites due to the potential hurricane last week...

"California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) noted a big drop in daily cases, but officials warned a day later that issues with the reporting system were causing an undercount. Florida’s numbers, meanwhile, were disrupted by Hurricane Isaias, which led officials to suspend coronavirus testing at dozens of sites."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/05/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/

I guess the POTUS was right, if we stop testing - we'll have no cases.

[msstate7]

Do we trust Clay Travis or the Washington Post, or neither?

The Post states that FL closed down testing sites due to the potential hurricane last week...

"California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) noted a big drop in daily cases, but officials warned a day later that issues with the reporting system were causing an undercount. Florida?s numbers, meanwhile, were disrupted by Hurricane Isaias, which led officials to suspend coronavirus testing at dozens of sites."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/05/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/

I guess the POTUS was right, if we stop testing - we'll have no cases.

Not sure what that has to do with positivity rate and deaths, which are the two topics in the tweet.

[Dawgology]

When you are telling people to decide between online education and in class education what you are doing is making people decide between no eduction and getting an education/free meals. Especially in Mississippi. Mississippi is (no surprise) one of the lowest ranked states for access to high speed internet and first in poverty. You can mandate online classes but what you are doing is restricting over 65% of the children in Mississippi from getting an education. You are also keeping about 225,000 children in Mississippi that live below the poverty level from getting an education and meals that they depend on. This falls squarely on the backs of a majority of minority children in this state.

I understand you are scared of the virus but there is much more in play here than fear of a coronavirus.

[Cooterpoot]

When you are telling people to decide between online education and in class education what you are doing is making people decide between no eduction and getting an education/free meals. Especially in Mississippi. Mississippi is (no surprise) one of the lowest ranked states for access to high speed internet and first in poverty. You can mandate online classes but what you are doing is restricting over 65% of the children in Mississippi from getting an education. You are also keeping about 225,000 children in Mississippi that live below the poverty level from getting an education and meals that they depend on. This falls squarely on the backs of a majority of minority children in this state.

I understand you are scared of the virus but there is much more in play here than fear of a coronavirus.

They also can't play sports if they stay home.

[Gutter Cobreh]

When you are telling people to decide between online education and in class education what you are doing is making people decide between no eduction and getting an education/free meals. Especially in Mississippi. Mississippi is (no surprise) one of the lowest ranked states for access to high speed internet and first in poverty. You can mandate online classes but what you are doing is restricting over 65% of the children in Mississippi from getting an education. You are also keeping about 225,000 children in Mississippi that live below the poverty level from getting an education and meals that they depend on. This falls squarely on the backs of a majority of minority children in this state.

I understand you are scared of the virus but there is much more in play here than fear of a coronavirus.

MS is also last (or near the bottom) in population health which is a contributing factor to a successful outcome if you contract the virus.

I'm not "scared" of the virus, simply providing discussion. I, currently, have kids in elementary schools - with a spouse that is a teacher. Am I scared for them, not necessarily - but we do ensure they understand the impact of wearing a mask and taking precautions.

I think a lot of low-income, rural areas (and people) struggle with the same issue and it isn't isolated to just MS.

I think the virus rates fall along socioeconomic lines more than I do racial lines. There is a discussion that the virus impacts African-American and Latino communities at a greater rate, but I wonder if that is due to economic status. I understand the point about protests and demonstrations that didn't follow social distancing and/or any type of precautions, but when you see the virus spread through the Delta (and I understand Johnson's point about a/c) like it did - I do have compassion for those parent(s) that have what seems like the deck stacked against them.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Not sure what that has to do with positivity rate and deaths, which are the two topics in the tweet.

If the harder hit areas like Palm Beach, Miami, etc. stopped testing due to the storm - it would impact positivity rate.

I was simply pointing out that all things weren't equal because testing sites had closed. Don't you think that would impact all the numbers outside of mortality?

[chef dixon]

Honestly...we need a good treatment more than we need a vaccine. Here is why: vaccine will force mutation on this virus due to natural selection. That can make it more contagious and more deadly really fast and things can spiral out of control with a virus of this type even further than it already has.

A good treatment or medication that will clear up an infection quickly will allow the virus to run it's course and settle down into the population where it will be treated more like a common cold. Additionally, any treatment developed for this virus will probably be effective on the common cold so that's a double plus.

Nothing drives mutation more than treatments. Especially one you would prescribe and people take a couple doses and stop after they feel better. A potential goal of vaccine would be complete eradication and we don't know enough about this virus yet to know if that's possible or if it will become endemic. Also, I wouldn't hold your breath on an overwhelmingly effective treatment for cold-causing viruses because so far none exist. Its possible they find one that works well for COVID-19 with more research, but its not going to cheap and convenient.

[Dawgology]

MS is also last (or near the bottom) in population health which is a contributing factor to a successful outcome if you contract the virus.

I'm not "scared" of the virus, simply providing discussion. I, currently, have kids in elementary schools - with a spouse that is a teacher. Am I scared for them, not necessarily - but we do ensure they understand the impact of wearing a mask and taking precautions.

I think a lot of low-income, rural areas (and people) struggle with the same issue and it isn't isolated to just MS.

I think the virus rates fall along socioeconomic lines more than I do racial lines. There is a discussion that the virus impacts African-American and Latino communities at a greater rate, but I wonder if that is due to economic status. I understand the point about protests and demonstrations that didn't follow social distancing and/or any type of precautions, but when you see the virus spread through the Delta (and I understand Johnson's point about a/c) like it did - I do have compassion for those parent(s) that have what seems like the deck stacked against them.

Your last paragraph there is my thinking as well. I believe it has a lot to do with socioeconomics more than something genetic within black or Hispanic populations.

[msstate7]

If the harder hit areas like Palm Beach, Miami, etc. stopped testing due to the storm - it would impact positivity rate.

I was simply pointing out that all things weren't equal because testing sites had closed. Don't you think that would impact all the numbers outside of mortality?

Yesterday, Miami-dade, broward, and palm beach counties reported 2,886 of Florida's 7,650 cases.

[RocketCityDawg]

Yesterday, Miami-dade, broward, and palm beach counties reported 2,886 of Florida's 7,650 cases.

Don't bother 7. He'll just come up with some other "excuse" that things can't possibly be getting better. What he should really do is read the reply to Clay Travis' tweet.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Don't bother 7. He'll just come up with some other "excuse" that things can't possibly be getting better. What he should really do is read the reply to Clay Travis' tweet.

Who says I'm a "he"????

#MAGA

[msstate7]

Don't bother 7. He'll just come up with some other "excuse" that things can't possibly be getting better. What he should really do is read the reply to Clay Travis' tweet.

Good news should be good news. Florida being pass peak is good for all Americans.

[Cooterpoot]

Who says I'm a "he"????

#MAGA

I knew it! You're a tranny!

[hacker]

I know you'll all be excited, here's a good news post:

Starting to see shifts from several epidemiologists/modelers on Twitter about "effective herd immunity" -- since the effective r0 is around 1 in most places, effective herd immunity is much lower.

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This link is also really good if you're interested in the longer form: http://covid19-projections.com/estimating-true-infections/

[msstate7]

With our high posi test rate, let's say we're at the upper side of the CDC's estimate of real cases, 7-10x documented number. This would put our cases at 455k - 650k, which is .15-.22 of our population. If we do start hitting herd immunity walls soon, this summer surge could've been a relatively good thing since we got it out the way somewhat before flu season. Of course, we may just keep piling up cases too, but fingers crossed...

[Joebob]

Just as a side note, cases in Texas started falling again after the governor issued a mostly statewide mask mandate, so that's positive news regarding being able to keep the virus under control until a vaccine is released. People still aren't going to restaurants, barbershops, and other indoor retail businesses in the bigger cities though, so those businesses are really hurting right now.

[msstate7]

Just as a side note, cases in Texas started falling again after the governor issued a mostly statewide mask mandate, so that's positive news regarding being able to keep the virus under control until a vaccine is released. People still aren't going to restaurants, barbershops, and other indoor retail businesses in the bigger cities though, so those businesses are really hurting right now.

No such mask orders in Sweden. I'm not a mask hater... I wear one myself in indoor public places. I don't think they're an automatic trump card vs corona though... Hawaii and Japan are big mask proponents, and both are seeing a big increase in cases. Again though, I do think we should wear them.

[BeardoMSU]

I don't think they're an automatic trump card vs corona though...

Your puns don't go unnoticed**

[Gutter Cobreh]

With our high posi test rate, let's say we're at the upper side of the CDC's estimate of real cases, 7-10x documented number. This would put our cases at 455k - 650k, which is .15-.22 of our population. If we do start hitting herd immunity walls soon, this summer surge could've been a relatively good thing since we got it out the way somewhat before flu season. Of course, we may just keep piling up cases too, but fingers crossed...

Here is an article regarding testing if you want to read it. Explains why the Ohio Governor tested positive, then immediately negative.

https://news.yahoo.com/accurate-virus-tests-ohio-governors-183931178.html

[RocketDawg]

No such mask orders in Sweden. I'm not a mask hater... I wear one myself in indoor public places. I don't think they're an automatic trump card vs corona though... Hawaii and Japan are big mask proponents, and both are seeing a big increase in cases. Again though, I do think we should wear them.

Masks aren't an automatic trump card, but here in my county (Madison, population about 375,000) we have had a mandatory mask order for about 4 weeks. In that period, daily cases have dropped (running 5 day average) from about 180 to around 60-70 (reading numbers off a graph so can't be precise). I don't know what the correlation with masks and reduced number of cases is, but on the surface appears to be significant here.

[msstate7]

One in Three Americans Would Not Get COVID-19 Vaccine

https://news.gallup.com/poll/317018/one-three-americans-not-covid-vaccine.aspx

[starkvegasdawg]

This weekend was out in the metropolis of Pheba looking for some minnows to take the kids fishing. Went into the two country stores there. No mask sign in the doors and nobody wearing masks in the stores...employees or patrons. I was it. Take that back. The second store a young couple came in also wanting minnows. She had a mask in but he didn't.

[yjnkdawg]

This weekend was out in the metropolis of Pheba looking for some minnows to take the kids fishing. Went into the two country stores there. No mask sign in the doors and nobody wearing masks in the stores...employees or patrons. I was it. Take that back. The second store a young couple came in also wanting minnows. She had a mask in but he didn't.


We still have some in MS, who either (1) don't care about the health and well being of others; (2) for some unknown reason have no clue what is going on; or (3) have the (stupid) mentality that "nobody" is going to tell them what to do and not to do.

[yjnkdawg]

Who says I'm a "he"????

#MAGA

I guess that person (he/she) was assuming you are. ;) lol

[shoeless joe]

This weekend was out in the metropolis of Pheba looking for some minnows to take the kids fishing. Went into the two country stores there. No mask sign in the doors and nobody wearing masks in the stores...employees or patrons. I was it. Take that back. The second store a young couple came in also wanting minnows. She had a mask in but he didn't.

Did U find any minners?

[DownwardDawg]

We still have some in MS, who either (1) don't care about the health and well being of others; (2) for some unknown reason have no clue what is going on; or (3) have the (stupid) mentality that "nobody" is going to tell them what to do and not to do.

It?s not ?some?. It?s ?most? of Mississippians. Especially in rural areas. Everywhere I go in rural Mississippi people look at me like I?m an alien when I walk in wearing my mask.

[dantheman4248]

It?s not ?some?. It?s ?most? of Mississippians. Especially in rural areas. Everywhere I go in rural Mississippi people look at me like I?m an alien when I walk in wearing my mask.

May have our differences but thank you for aspiring to be part of the solution here instead of the problem. If everyone would listen to Tater Tot's speech the other day I feel like we could get the spread down to a manageable spot in a month to look at having college sports be able to start mid September.

Wear the Damn Mask

[starkvegasdawg]

Did U find any minners?

I did. Sadly I didn't catch anything and ended up feeding them all to some ducks. At least they ate well.

[Johnson85]

https://i.postimg.cc/y69hTqGy/753-EBE1-A-1-F50-43-B6-8-DF7-7-D79490-A4065.jpg (https://postimg.cc/grz6Y7mx)

https://i.postimg.cc/yNc6bPCt/3-CBC77-D2-00-C8-43-A5-96-A4-41-D9093-AC08-D.jpg (https://postimg.cc/4K4TKpdQ)

https://i.postimg.cc/2y6Drdgz/EA147-B76-6-AF5-4265-877-A-FEA4416-F7-DBF.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Q9RPq7XP)

https://i.postimg.cc/Tw28Jqdr/A24-B357-C-02-E6-43-E0-8-E7-D-CF43-BF5487-B6.jpg (https://postimg.cc/sBL0VWZX)

https://i.postimg.cc/8CH9cJRs/3-D0-CA196-4-CF7-46-FC-BF89-D0-D28-CB48-E92.jpg (https://postimg.cc/p9mq1d1t)

https://i.postimg.cc/131jKcMf/66-BB5-D95-2-EE0-4-FEF-B894-2-A4-EFBFA4-E9-F.jpg (https://postimg.cc/vcXhYnJs)

https://i.postimg.cc/GtsXFHyF/252-C95-BC-84-E4-4-F59-866-B-68-BAFEE9-DB12.jpg (https://postimg.cc/7Jw1DPXh)

Southern states appear to be past peak.

where are these charts coming from? Was looking for updated ones since the MSDH charts don't show you just new cases on the days they are reported.

[msstate7]

where are these charts coming from? Was looking for updated ones since the MSDH charts don't show you just new cases on the days they are reported.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Then just click on individual states

[Johnson85]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Then just click on individual states

Thanks. Looks like our 7 day average had dropped 31.5% from its high on July 26th. Obviously the testing lag makes that not the greatest thing to look at, but assuming our testing hasn't had any disruptions or that our backlog of tests hasn't grown, that looks good.

[msstate7]

Thanks. Looks like our 7 day average had dropped 31.5% from its high on July 26th. Obviously the testing lag makes that not the greatest thing to look at, but assuming our testing hasn't had any disruptions or that our backlog of tests hasn't grown, that looks good.

Here's this about our testing...

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states/mississippi

[State82]

It?s not ?some?. It?s ?most? of Mississippians. Especially in rural areas. Everywhere I go in rural Mississippi people look at me like I?m an alien when I walk in wearing my mask.

I can assure you that in the Jackson Metro area, and especially Ridgeland/Madison/Flowood that 95% or more are wearing them in the typical locations---grocery and convenience stores, post offices, Academy Sports, department stores, pharmacies etc. that I have frequented the last several weeks. Obviously eating establishments are different. But the typical places everyone needs to visit for short periods of time daily.

[msstate7]

MS's 476 cases today is the lowest reported since July 13th.

[Johnson85]

MS's 476 cases today is the lowest reported since July 13th.

Really curious as to whether this is people being more careful or us having a critical mass of infected such that it's harder for the virus to spread. I suspect at least some of the former but hope some of the latter also.

[Dawgfan77]

MS's 476 cases today is the lowest reported since July 13th.
Spoke to a DR Saturday who is predicting cases to slowly go down as well as hospitalizations over the next month. Deaths will lag unfortunately but they to will go down.

[DownwardDawg]

May have our differences but thank you for aspiring to be part of the solution here instead of the problem. If everyone would listen to Tater Tot's speech the other day I feel like we could get the spread down to a manageable spot in a month to look at having college sports be able to start mid September.

Wear the Damn Mask

My wife is a nurse so I understand the importance and I understand that masks absolutely work but it requires people to wear them. Everyone!!!

[DownwardDawg]

I can assure you that in the Jackson Metro area, and especially Ridgeland/Madison/Flowood that 95% or more are wearing them in the typical locations---grocery and convenience stores, post offices, Academy Sports, department stores, pharmacies etc. that I have frequented the last several weeks. Obviously eating establishments are different. But the typical places everyone needs to visit for short periods of time daily.

Hattiesburg is the same. And most businesses are telling everyone they have to put on masks to come in. But travel just outside of the city limits headed towards Collins/Seminary, and you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone in a store wearing them. Just left Covington County Supply on 49. There were 3 people wearing them including myself. Probably 10 customers and 3 or 4 workers not wearing them.
It’s the same at all gas stations and places like Dollar General.

[Johnson85]

Hattiesburg is the same. And most businesses are telling everyone they have to put on masks to come in. But travel just outside of the city limits headed towards Collins/Seminary, and you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone in a store wearing them. Just left Covington County Supply on 49. There were 3 people wearing them including myself. Probably 10 customers and 3 or 4 workers not wearing them.
It’s the same at all gas stations and places like Dollar General.

I'd love to see the numbers in hattiesburg proper because they've been reasonably hardcore about masks for a while. If they haven't had very low rates, then that would make me pessimistic about the use of masks. Be hard to figure that out though since they numbers are reported by county and not sure what other areas of Lamar and Forrest are like.

[msstate7]

I'd love to see the numbers in hattiesburg proper because they've been reasonably hardcore about masks for a while. If they haven't had very low rates, then that would make me pessimistic about the use of masks. Be hard to figure that out though since they numbers are reported by county and not sure what other areas of Lamar and Forrest are like.

Hawaii cases exploding on an island that requires a quarantine upon entering and a hardcore mask ordinance isn't an endorsement for masks. Now if the cases don't continue to rise, their numbers aren't bad.

[State82]

I'd love to see the numbers in hattiesburg proper because they've been reasonably hardcore about masks for a while. If they haven't had very low rates, then that would make me pessimistic about the use of masks. Be hard to figure that out though since they numbers are reported by county and not sure what other areas of Lamar and Forrest are like.

I haven't looked at the three Metro Jackson counties recently but Hinds, Madison and Rankin have been under mandatory mask orders for at least three weeks I believe. EVERY business has very visible signs that you MUST have a mask to enter. And people are very much adhering to the requirement.

[Cooterpoot]

I'd love to see the numbers in hattiesburg proper because they've been reasonably hardcore about masks for a while. If they haven't had very low rates, then that would make me pessimistic about the use of masks. Be hard to figure that out though since they numbers are reported by county and not sure what other areas of Lamar and Forrest are like.

They really haven't. Nobody I'm seeing is wearing them except where they're made to. Early on, stores didn't require them even though they were mandated. It's been a mess. Convenience store customers never wear them.

[DownwardDawg]

They really haven't. Nobody I'm seeing is wearing them except where they're made to. Early on, stores didn't require them even though they were mandated. It's been a mess. Convenience store customers never wear them.

I’ve told my wife from the beginning, if I get it it’s from a damn convenience store.

[Dolphus Raymond]

This downward trend in Mississippi is encouraging and I hope it continues. The fly in the ointment, so to speak, is many schools are now starting to open which could lead to more spikes. This explosion in cases during the summer months really surprised me as I was expecting cases to drop, only to rise dramatically as we entered the winter months.

[Dolphus Raymond]

New cases rebounded a little today with 644 new cases and 33 additional deaths. I remain cautiously optimistic.

[msstate7]

New cases rebounded a little today with 644 new cases and 33 additional deaths. I remain cautiously optimistic.

I'm actually pretty thrilled with that total of new cases on a Tuesday. Last Tuesday was 1074. Now the deaths continue to be awful and very concerning. Only 7 states and DC have a worse deaths per million than us.

[Johnson85]

I'm actually pretty thrilled with that total of new cases on a Tuesday. Last Tuesday was 1074. Now the deaths continue to be awful and very concerning. Only 7 states and DC have a worse deaths per million than us.

That's not really that bad at this point. We have a population that is much more susceptible and we have been getting hit pretty hard presumably due to AC use and time indoors. Granted we benefited a ton from not getting hit in the late winter/spring like some of the northeastern states, but that will be pretty good if we stay 7th worst since so much of the cake was baked by the health of our population on metrics that matter the most for COVID (i.e., obesity, blood pressures, heart disease, etc)

[Homedawg]

I'm actually pretty thrilled with that total of new cases on a Tuesday. Last Tuesday was 1074. Now the deaths continue to be awful and very concerning. Only 7 states and DC have a worse deaths per million than us.
This. This is the best Tuesday in a while. Good news. Of course we obviously have to get to zero to play so there's that....

[msstate7]

That's not really that bad at this point. We have a population that is much more susceptible and we have been getting hit pretty hard presumably due to AC use and time indoors. Granted we benefited a ton from not getting hit in the late winter/spring like some of the northeastern states, but that will be pretty good if we stay 7th worst since so much of the cake was baked by the health of our population on metrics that matter the most for COVID (i.e., obesity, blood pressures, heart disease, etc)

I read somewhere yesterday that we're expected to end up 3rd behind NJ and NY.

[Jack Lambert]

I read somewhere yesterday that we're expected to end up 3rd behind NJ and NY.

You have to figure we have the highest percentage of Blacks of all the states and Blacks seem to be more vulnerable than whites.

[msstate7]

Last Thursday in Mississippi: 956
Today: 612

[StarkVegasSteve]

The numbers this week have been encouraging and the 7 day average has really taken a downward turn. However, with schools starting back up, the next 10-14 days will be massive.

[Cooterpoot]

The media is on a Covid blitz today. It's the end of the 17ing world this fall/winter because of the flu now.

[Jack Lambert]

The media is on a Covid blitz today. It's the end of the 17ing world this fall/winter because of the flu now.

I wonder did anyone have Covid 19 and the flu at the same time?

[DownwardDawg]

I wonder did anyone have Covid 19 and the flu at the same time?

No. The flu absolutely ended once COVID got media popular!!

[StarkVegasSteve]

The media is on a Covid blitz today. It's the end of the 17ing world this fall/winter because of the flu now.

It very well might be, but the media should be the ones that are blamed for that. The fear mongering they preach every damn day has caused a portion of people to literally hole themselves up inside for months so naturally their immune systems are going to be weaker and it's going to be tougher to fight the flu. I've been saying that since April, but somehow I'm sure they'll figure out a way to blame it on young people or Trump. They're pretty good at that.

[Johnson85]

The numbers this week have been encouraging and the 7 day average has really taken a downward turn. However, with schools starting back up, the next 10-14 days will be massive.

Deaths have also started a pretty sharp turn downward, which is a little surprising. Would have thought it'd be another week before we started to see any improvement there.

[DownwardDawg]

The Rack........ Collins MS. I won't do business there again. Went in again today and was once again the only person wearing a mask. 3 employees, a vendor, and 3-4 customers. I should have walked out but I needed something. They think this virus is a farce.

[iPat09]

The Rack........ Collins MS. I won't do business there again. Went in again today and was once again the only person wearing a mask. 3 employees, a vendor, and 3-4 customers. I should have walked out but I needed something. They think this virus is a farce.

I'm pretty sure you can report businesses not complying with the order. I know for sure you can report restaurants to Dobbs & co. I'm sure we will be reminded again at 2:30 today...

[Johnson85]

I'm pretty sure you can report businesses not complying with the order. I know for sure you can report restaurants to Dobbs & co. I'm sure we will be reminded again at 2:30 today...

I wear a mask and have no problem with it, but I would hope nobody would turn in any small businesses at this point. Most of them are just doing whatever they can to save their life's work and I'd hope nobody would narc on them for that.

[msstate7]

I wear a mask and have no problem with it, but I would hope nobody would turn in any small businesses at this point. Most of them are just doing whatever they can to save their life's work and I'd hope nobody would narc on them for that.

Yeah. I prefer not to become MI, IL, NY, NJ

[Political Hack]

People shouldn't blame the media for reporting on a pandemic that's being called a hoax by political leaders. Thank God we have a media to correct our government's talking points on this... you wouldn't know which way is north between all the misinformation, disinformation, and lack of consistency between the White House, Task Force, and CDC.

If everyone would put on a mask and socially distance in a responsible way, this thing would be under control. 3% spread rate if the infected person is wearing a mask. If asymptotic people would wear masks, it would essentially end it.

[Dolphus Raymond]

I?m with Hack.

[Johnson85]

People shouldn't blame the media for reporting on a pandemic that's being called a hoax by political leaders. Thank God we have a media to correct our government's talking points on this... you wouldn't know which way is north between all the misinformation, disinformation, and lack of consistency between the White House, Task Force, and CDC.

If everyone would put on a mask and socially distance in a responsible way, this thing would be under control. 3% spread rate if the infected person is wearing a mask. If asymptotic people would wear masks, it would essentially end it.

Probably not. I think there'd be stronger, more obvious results from mask wearing if that were the case.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-08-13/covid-spread-is-forcing-scientists-to-rethink-herd-immunity

Not arguing against masks. Just saying it's probably not true that we could just stop this with any realistic group behavior.

[Johnson85]

Probably not. I think there'd be stronger, more obvious results from mask wearing if that were the case.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-08-13/covid-spread-is-forcing-scientists-to-rethink-herd-immunity

Not arguing against masks. Just saying it's probably not true that we could just stop this with any realistic group behavior.

More evidence that it's not a moral failing to stop the spread:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/12/business/britain-economy-recession-coronavirus.html

If you look at the graph showing the severity of the recessions the countries are facing, there doesn't appear to be much of a relationship to deaths in any of the countries.

[confucius say]

People shouldn't blame the media for reporting on a pandemic that's being called a hoax by political leaders. Thank God we have a media to correct our government's talking points on this... you wouldn't know which way is north between all the misinformation, disinformation, and lack of consistency between the White House, Task Force, and CDC.

If everyone would put on a mask and socially distance in a responsible way, this thing would be under control. 3% spread rate if the infected person is wearing a mask. If asymptotic people would wear masks, it would essentially end it.

Who called it a hoax?

[msstate7]

Hawaii with the obvious advantage of being an island, has had a mask ordinance since April and a 14-day quarantine. Still...

https://i.postimg.cc/Bnt0Y867/02-CBCF5-F-6-C7-D-4130-A0-D7-F0-F788-DD98-AF.jpg (https://postimg.cc/gx9Qr233)

[Political Hack]

Who called it a hoax?

POTUS "Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, “How’s President Trump doing?” They go, “Oh, not good, not good.” They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa. They can’t even count. No, they can’t. They can’t count their votes.

One of my people came up to me and said, “Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.” That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax."

[Political Hack]

The anti-maskers make no sense to me. Why take away a mitigation technique? Why diminish it? Does it not help? Is it not scientifically proven to help?

I understand it's not the only variable, but it cuts transmission 6 fold. It's asinine to argue against wearing a mask just because it's not a 100% effective tool. It's only 97% effective.

Between remdesiver, masks, & social distancing we could stop the virus in its tracks and delay until we have viable vaccineS (plural) this coming spring. To diminish mitigation techniques between now and then is nonsensical. It's become the most ridiculous political argument since "climate change isn't real." Science is stupid***

[DownwardDawg]

I wear a mask and have no problem with it, but I would hope nobody would turn in any small businesses at this point. Most of them are just doing whatever they can to save their life's work and I'd hope nobody would narc on them for that.

Oh yeah I agree. Not turning anyone in.

[SteelCurtain74]

The anti-maskers make no sense to me. Why take away a mitigation technique? Why diminish it? Does it not help? Is it not scientifically proven to help?

I understand it's not the only variable, but it cuts transmission 6 fold. It's asinine to argue against wearing a mask just because it's not a 100% effective tool. It's only 97% effective.

Between remdesiver, masks, & social distancing we could stop the virus in its tracks and delay until we have viable vaccineS (plural) this coming spring. To diminish mitigation techniques between now and then is nonsensical. It's become the most ridiculous political argument since "climate change isn't real." Science is stupid***

The problem is that people aren't social distancing even if they have masks. Here is the front page of the Rankin County News: The town of Puckett decided to hold their board meeting outside. Great idea except they are sitting less than 1ft from each other.

https://1179.newstogo.us/editionviewer/?Edition=4fb94034-5e8f-42c5-82b4-71234e089b8a&Section=0

Not only that but according to the recent Duke study, some of the masks people are choosing to wear, such as the neck gaiters, are basically useless. People have to do it all, social distancing, wear a mask and wash their hands. Unfortunately too many think that only wearing a mask is the cure all for this.

[DeputyDawg94]

Y?all help me with this.
My daughter, an 11th grader at a public school got sent home yesterday because she had a class wit a kid who tested positive. She and 9 other kids were called to the office to be sent home. Before they were allowed to leave the administration made all 9 of them stand in a JANITORS closet where they were literally standing shoulder to shoulder. WTF?!!! Common sense should have told somebody to let the kids go stand in the parking lot or the sidewalk outside of the office. Nope!!! Shove em all in a small non ventilated room where they are actually in physical contact. Dumb as hell!!!!!
She does her social distancing and wears her mask. Evidently mask don?t work. Why wear them if you are going to get quarantined anyway.

Common sense has been thrown out the window. This was as dumb a thing as I?ve seen done in a while.

I?m all for people who are old, sick or just plain scared to stay home. I have 0 problem with people opting out of the real world if that?s what they want to do, but damn, common sense is a lost art. I believe most part of the concerns over Covid are liabilities and being sued. I feel like I?d have a much stronger suit since she was shove in a very small room with 9 other kids than anyone on a football filed or in a normal classroom situation. Just stupid.

[Dawg2003]

These schools are basically being thrown to the wolves and told to "figure it out." I have a relative that teaches, and she said it's a total sh*tshow, and people are just making it up as they go along. Putting kids in a janitors closet is insane. One thing you have to remember is that if teachers get sick, who will teach the kids? There are only so many teachers to go around, and we already have teaching shortages. The entire infrastructure of the school system is made up of adults- many are vulnerable and have risk factors. Then just the question of what do you do if you have teachers out sick?

[StateDawg44]

These schools are basically being thrown to the wolves and told to "figure it out." I have a relative that teaches, and she said it's a total sh*tshow, and people are just making it up as they go along. Putting kids in a janitors closet is insane. One thing you have to remember is that if teachers get sick, who will teach the kids? There are only so many teachers to go around, and we already have teaching shortages. The entire infrastructure of the school system is made up of adults- many are vulnerable and have risk factors. Then just the question of what do you do if you have teachers out sick?

Duh, blame it on the media or the current administration (as if a different administration would?ve had it all figured out). Pick your poison.

Heads should roll for shoving the kids in a closet no doubt though. But they won?t.

[msstate7]

Population immunity is slowing down the pandemic in parts of the US

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/08/11/1006366/immunity-slowing-down-coronavirus-parts-us/amp/

[DeputyDawg94]

I’m going to address it with admin as soon as my BP comes back down. That’s as stupid as it gets. Our school sits on at least 10 acres of ground. Plenty of room for social distancing. Heck my daughter had to walk past the football field, across a large parking lot and down a sidewalk that is 300 or more yards long. Why not go stand in the parking lot? I know most of the teachers and admin personally. They are intelligent people. This virus has smart people acting like idiots. Common sense would have gone a long way here.

[dantheman4248]

A person is smart. People are dumb. That's why in times of crisis it's important to have a good leader. We don't. There needs to be a change at the top to help keep these smart and talented people from being so stupid. That's why we need to fire Moorhead.

Funny how so many on the board built specifically for sports understand this for football / sports and can't understand it for our country.

[confucius say]

MS cases have plummeted again this week. We are now averaging 730 cases per day. That's less than 9 per county per day. We were averaging 1381 per day in late July.

[msstate7]

Really the whole south (minus Georgia) is seeing a nice decline in cases.

[KOdawg1]

Really the whole south (minus Georgia) is seeing a nice decline in cases.

Shhhhhh

[msstate7]

Students making someone mad...

https://i.postimg.cc/WzjTJnZh/D2-FA47-C2-E846-4339-BCF1-C61762-F71956.jpg (https://postimg.cc/S2ZwBcDh)

[confucius say]

Did people really expect college students to just stay in their dorms and apartments all the time? Not happening.

[msstate7]

Last Sunday, Mississippi reported 527 new cases. Today, Mississippi reported 381 cases. Every day this week was less than the same day last week.

[confucius say]

Last Sunday, Mississippi reported 527 new cases. Today, Mississippi reported 381 cases. Every day this week was less than the same day last week.

Cases have dropped 13 of the last 14 days as compared to that same day the previous week. We are now averaging about 700 new cases per day. That's between 8 and 9 new cases per county per day.

[ScoobaDawg]

Football is happening boys.. or it looks to be for now.. So i'm still around and this board won't go to sh!t. Once again. I just deleted 36 posts because all you jack@sses wanna do is talk politics..

You wanna do that. go here. https://sippolitics.com/
It's the normal subjects too. Last warning. Keep talking politics and not just reporting news about Covid.. and you can have a break until we actually kick off football... whenever that is.

Now, back to discussion of the worst pandemic , that is far from being over, in all of our lives if not american history.

[confucius say]

MS new daily cases are half of what they were 3 weeks ago. Should be the top story in the state. Celebrate! Even with a back to school bump I think we stay below where we were end of July.

[msstate7]

What if ?Herd Immunity? Is Closer Than Scientists Thought?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/17/health/coronavirus-herd-immunity.html#click=https://t.co/C1eArt1U7D

[Johnson85]

Football is happening boys.. or it looks to be for now.. So i'm still around and this board won't go to sh!t. Once again. I just deleted 36 posts because all you jack@sses wanna do is talk politics..

You wanna do that. go here. It's the normal subjects too. Last warning. Keep talking politics and not just reporting news about Covid.. and you can have a break until we actually kick off football... whenever that is.

Now, back to discussion of the worst pandemic , that is far from being over, in all of our lives if not american history.

It's amazing to me that the sipppolitics site is basically dead because no one posts there, but people will post about politics here.

[msstate7]

MS reported 276 cases today. That's the lowest since July 5th. Is something going on with our testing?

[Jack Lambert]

Football is happening boys.. or it looks to be for now.. So i'm still around and this board won't go to sh!t. Once again. I just deleted 36 posts because all you jack@sses wanna do is talk politics..

You wanna do that. go here. https://sippolitics.com/
It's the normal subjects too. Last warning. Keep talking politics and not just reporting news about Covid.. and you can have a break until we actually kick off football... whenever that is.

Now, back to discussion of the worst pandemic , that is far from being over, in all of our lives if not american history.

100 years from now the history of this pandemic will reflect the politics of that time.

[msstate7]

Alabama reported 571 today, which is lowest since June 28th.

[Dawgology]

100 years from now the history of this pandemic will reflect the politics of that time.

100% correct here

[Johnson85]

Looking at worldometer stats, just trying to get an idea of which states seem to be handling COVID well, and a few states have above average cases per million but below the median number of deaths per million (311).

Tennessee is at 19,579 per million cases (11th highest), but only 200 deaths per million, so significantly below the median.
Arkansas is at 17,643 per million cases (16th highest state, or 15th highest if you exclude DC) and only 199 deaths per million.

Those are the only two states with above the average cases per million (16,837) and below the median number of deaths per million (311) so they're either doing more comprehensive testing, or doing better at treatment, or maybe both.

Maryland, Illinois, Connecticut, and Michigan are all states that look bad, with more than 600 deaths per million but less than the average number of cases per million, and Michigan is right behind them with 590 deaths per million.

[msstate7]

Looking at worldometer stats, just trying to get an idea of which states seem to be handling COVID well, and a few states have above average cases per million but below the median number of deaths per million (311).

Tennessee is at 19,579 per million cases (11th highest), but only 200 deaths per million, so significantly below the median.
Arkansas is at 17,643 per million cases (16th highest state, or 15th highest if you exclude DC) and only 199 deaths per million.

Those are the only two states with above the average cases per million (16,837) and below the median number of deaths per million (311) so they're either doing more comprehensive testing, or doing better at treatment, or maybe both.

Maryland, Illinois, Connecticut, and Michigan are all states that look bad, with more than 600 deaths per million but less than the average number of cases per million, and Michigan is right behind them with 590 deaths per million.

But Whitmer is the best thing this side of cuomo in covid response...

ETA... BTW, worldometers gives you tests per million in the 10th column.

[msstate7]

https://i.postimg.cc/65vbHNJM/4-B70565-E-A268-4-EBB-8811-31-FBB6-A25483.jpg (https://postimg.cc/6yBh3gQZ)

https://twitter.com/yinonw/status/1295152579941249024?s=21

https://i.postimg.cc/grFs9nFN/FA0246-B4-423-B-45-B1-955-A-E04-EFA69-E5-B9.jpg (https://postimg.cc/K3fBBcYM)

https://twitter.com/yinonw/status/1295152582881509376?s=21

[Dawg2003]

Please let it die and go away.

[dantheman4248]

Think the key will be 4 weeks from now what the numbers look like now that college kids have settled back in and aren't gonna give a damn about social distancing.

[Cooterpoot]

Think the key will be 4 weeks from now what the numbers look like now that college kids have settled back in and aren't gonna give a damn about social distancing.

Most will never know they've had it. They aren't getting tested unless they're sick.

[Homedawg]

Most will never know they've had it. They aren't getting tested unless they're sick.

Here they aren't. Unfortunately, we are still having a good many positives based on early results. And worse is places like unc tested everyone who moved in on campus and has now shut down classes on campus for undergrads. That's doesn't help our chances of football. 135 news cases and they shut it down. Which is crazy to me. But whatever.

[Johnson85]

Here they aren't. Unfortunately, we are still having a good many positives based on early results. And worse is places like unc tested everyone who moved in on campus and has now shut down classes on campus for undergrads. That's doesn't help our chances of football. 135 news cases and they shut it down. Which is crazy to me. But whatever.

Well, that is ~.45% of their on Chapel Hill students. Not sure what percent it is of students living on campus. But the important thing is that students can spend more time socializing now that their classes are online.

[Liverpooldawg]

Most will never know they've had it. They aren't getting tested unless they're sick.

Once again, it's not really about them. As you point out most of them , not all, will do fine. It's about who they spread it to.

[msstate7]

795 cases in Mississippi today on a Tuesday. Great report.

[Cooterpoot]

Once again, it's not really about them. As you point out most of them , not all, will do fine. It's about who they spread it to.

And who they spread it to outside of the school population doesn't effect football.

[Cooterpoot]

Here they aren't. Unfortunately, we are still having a good many positives based on early results. And worse is places like unc tested everyone who moved in on campus and has now shut down classes on campus for undergrads. That's doesn't help our chances of football. 135 news cases and they shut it down. Which is crazy to me. But whatever.

Well, sororities and fraternities are living on borrowed time. Now would be a good time to eliminate them from campuses. A sorority was responsible for the UNC issues.

[Johnson85]

Well, sororities and fraternities are living on borrowed time. Now would be a good time to eliminate them from campuses. A sorority was responsible for the UNC issues.

Sororities and fraternities don't really do anything but provide a target for people to hate. If fraternities and sororities go away, you'll have the same crowds at bars or apartment parties or even field parties for a lot of SEC teams.

[Homedawg]

Notre dame going remote for at least two weeks..... the clock is ticking. Guess we will never have in person classes again.... smh

[Dawgology]

Here they aren't. Unfortunately, we are still having a good many positives based on early results. And worse is places like unc tested everyone who moved in on campus and has now shut down classes on campus for undergrads. That's doesn't help our chances of football. 135 news cases and they shut it down. Which is crazy to me. But whatever.

It always gives me a chuckle when an entity tests an entire population and are suprised when a portion of that population has the virus. I'm just thinking...what were they expecting? The college and under age group are one of the most infected populations right now but are also the most asymptomatic or mild case populations. I would imagine for every 1 college student that has symptoms AND goes and gets tested there are probably an additional 5-6 that are asymptomatic/mild that never get tested....and that's conservative. The CDC indicates infection rates are 10x higher than they initially thought.

If the same is true in Mississippi then we probably have had about 730,000 cases in the state at this point or approximately 23% of the population has had or currently has it. That could be extrapolated out for the US as well to about 56,000,000 cases or approx. 17% of the US population.

[Cooterpoot]

Sororities and fraternities don't really do anything but provide a target for people to hate. If fraternities and sororities go away, you'll have the same crowds at bars or apartment parties or even field parties for a lot of SEC teams.

Nah, you won't have hundreds at an apartment party.

[dantheman4248]

Nah, you won't have hundreds at an apartment party.

No, you most definitely will.

[Homedawg]

Nah, you won't have hundreds at an apartment party.

I know of multiple reports in stk of 40-60 in an apt here. They go there Bc bars close at 11. It's no different. None. If not worse.

[Johnson85]

Nah, you won't have hundreds at an apartment party.

You might not have hundreds at an apartment party, but you'lll have hundreds spread out over a handful of parties and they'll be just as crammed together if not more than they would be at the fraternity houses, where a good chunk of the people would be outside. Not sure it's going to make a practical difference as far as how quickly covid spreads. And if I were going to bet on how Starkville will react, I am guessing they will stay on brand and make things worse by busting up parties that are flowing into apartment parking lots and other open spaces and ensuring any partying is done in as tight of quarters as possible.

[Johnson85]

https://mises.org/wire/why-americans-should-adopt-sweden-model-covid-19

[Cooterpoot]

I know of multiple reports in stk of 40-60 in an apt here. They go there Bc bars close at 11. It's no different. None. If not worse.

But not over 200. Big difference. It was a huge party.