The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[msstate7]

The maximum of that graph goes to 600, yes?

Yep, so far. Look at the final point though... it's straight up.

[msstate7]

https://i.postimg.cc/wvh18B27/53-ABE388-26-CB-4419-9-DC6-D6602210-A99-A.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bDwy1pKh)

https://twitter.com/maenhouseh/status/1286424995258916865?s=21

[Gutter Cobreh]

Yep, so far. Look at the final point though... it's straight up.

Hey Carmen Sandiego***, looks like you've covered Japan, Australia, Europe, etc - but what does your charts show for Alabama and Mississippi?

[msstate7]

Hey Carmen Sandiego***, looks like you've covered Japan, Australia, Europe, etc - but what does your charts show for Alabama and Mississippi?

We're in terrible shape. Most of our whole country is.

[State82]

The maximum of that graph goes to 600, yes?

Yeah. 400-500 cases per day for the ENTIRE continent??

[msstate7]

Yeah. 400-500 cases per day for the ENTIRE continent??

I know it isn't that many cases, but context matters. From April 26th thru June 24th 30 cases was the highest daily total. They supposedly had it whipped with their contact tracing (see The NY Times article). Now it's really going up... their 7-day avg will be higher tomorrow or Saturday than it was at any point pre-lockdown.

[confucius say]

Stays flat again. Big for a Wednesday! Let's turn that curve baby!

7 day case average drops! On a Thursday! Phenomenal news. Progress. Keep it up America. Moving the right way now!

[msstate7]

7 day case average drops! On a Thursday! Phenomenal news. Progress. Keep it up America. Moving the right way now!

Florida, Arizona, and Texas have started going down on 7-day avg graph. Need California to peak soon.

[Schultzy]

At this point, can anyone believe any numbers put out there by any organization?

[Gutter Cobreh]

At this point, can anyone believe any numbers put out there by any organization?

From a national standpoint I would say it depends on whether you trust the current Administration. If you do, the answer is "yes". If you don't, then I'd say "no". They control the data at this point.

I do trust the local numbers where I live, but only look at hospitalizations. Where I live, we spiked earlier this week but it appears to be lowering as the week has progressed.

[Gutter Cobreh]

We're in terrible shape. Most of our whole country is.

The whole country isn't in bad shape. The map they showed today at the press briefing looked bad for MS and AL.

With as much as those two states are relatively rural, it's surprising to see how fast it's apparently spread. I could understand some of the larger cities, but it looks like the delta is getting hammered. I don't know if that's true, but the map looked pretty red in the central & west part of MS.

[msstate7]

The whole country isn't in bad shape. The map they showed today at the press briefing looked bad for MS and AL.

With as much as those two states are relatively rural, it's surprising to see how fast it's apparently spread. I could understand some of the larger cities, but it looks like the delta is getting hammered. I don't know if that's true, but the map looked pretty red in the central & west part of MS.

I said "most". Maybe I overstated it some, but there are a crap load of states that are remaining level or increasing in positive test %. There are exceptions though... mainly the NE. I like this tool to see how we're doing in this area...

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states/usa

Be nice if we could start trending down in this area.

[Schultzy]

From a national standpoint I would say it depends on whether you trust the current Administration. If you do, the answer is "yes". If you don't, then I'd say "no". They control the data at this point.

I do trust the local numbers where I live, but only look at hospitalizations. Where I live, we spiked earlier this week but it appears to be lowering as the week has progressed.
The current Administration does not control the numbers coming out of the CDC and certainly not the discredited WHO. It also doesn?t control the numbers coming out of hospitals or testing clinics which have great latitude in massaging the numbers in order to extract more $ per COVID patient than they would if diagnosed with anything else.

[Gutter Cobreh]

The current Administration does not control the numbers coming out of the CDC and certainly not the discredited WHO. It also doesn?t control the numbers coming out of hospitals or testing clinics which have great latitude in massaging the numbers in order to extract more $ per COVID patient than they would if diagnosed with anything else.

Your entire post is incorrect. Please take a minute and read the article below:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.amp.html

Also, numbers aren't "massaged" for a higher reimbursement. You also realize a COVID patient costs more to treat than an average patient though, right? PPE burn rate is high and ain't cheap these days...

[Johnson85]

Yeah. 400-500 cases per day for the ENTIRE continent??


Well, a continent with 25M people. So 37% of the population of the UK spread over a much larger area. So probably 60% of the daily cases of the UK right now, with 37% of the population, but without ever having had a real spike to begin with like the UK did. And presumably Australia has primarily been exposed to the less contagious strain, so if the more contagious strain makes its way there, that's another potential complication for them.

[Johnson85]

The whole country isn't in bad shape. The map they showed today at the press briefing looked bad for MS and AL.

With as much as those two states are relatively rural, it's surprising to see how fast it's apparently spread. I could understand some of the larger cities, but it looks like the delta is getting hammered. I don't know if that's true, but the map looked pretty red in the central & west part of MS.

Delta is hot and humid and has a lot of older housing stock, so there will be lots of people spending more time indoors and the AC blowing relatively hard for the size of the house.

[Liverpooldawg]

Delta is hot and humid and has a lot of older housing stock, so there will be lots of people spending more time indoors and the AC blowing relatively hard for the size of the house.

You also see more people per house there, just like every poor area.

[Johnson85]

Thought this was an interesting chart:

<a href="https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/" rel="nofollow"><img src="https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state.jpg" alt="Statistic: Death rates from coronavirus (COVID-19) in the United States as of July 24, 2020, by state (per 100,000 people) | Statista" style="width: 100%; height: auto !important; max-width:1000px;-ms-interpolation-mode: bicubic;"/></a><br />Find more statistics at <a href="https://www.statista.com" rel="nofollow">Statista</a>

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

I suspect you're going to see those numbers start to converge, with maybe New York and New Jersey remaining an outlier both because of getting hit earlier and making particularly bad decisions early on.

Or if you don't see them converge, you will see the states getting big spikes in the summer having lower death rates.

ETA: well shit. THought I could embed it.

[hacker]

https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state.jpg

There you go

[WSOPdawg]

No way in Hades' have I read all 239 pages of this thread (stopped following it after 50 pages or so b/c of all of the arguing/defending of both sides)...

but now that more data is filtering in, Mississippi's death rate of less than 5 people per 10,000 who contact the virus really makes a loud statement about stopping the fear-mongering and letting the virus run it's course... just sayin'. And my thoughts definitely won't be popular with my wife, who's ready to shut down the economy again.

[dparker]

https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state.jpg

There you go

I think it's be more useful to see those bars as maybe a 15 or 30 day moving average. That would help compare what is going on right now across the country because its disingenuous to compare places like the Northeast that had a huge spike early to places that are just ramping up.

[msstate7]

I think it's be more useful to see those bars as maybe a 15 or 30 day moving average. That would help compare what is going on right now across the country because its disingenuous to compare places like the Northeast that had a huge spike early to places that are just ramping up.

Florida has had 5653 deaths so far, which is 263 per million. To get to NY's 1679 deaths per million, Florida would have to have 36,938 deaths. At their current 7-day death avg, that would take ~258 days to reach NY. Florida's deaths per million is higher than Texas and California's. NY's is awful. Oh, and this math is with the assumption NY doesn't have another death.

[Joebob]

No way in Hades' have I read all 239 pages of this thread (stopped following it after 50 pages or so b/c of all of the arguing/defending of both sides)...

but now that more data is filtering in, Mississippi's death rate of less than 5 people per 10,000 who contact the virus really makes a loud statement about stopping the fear-mongering and letting the virus run it's course... just sayin'. And my thoughts definitely won't be popular with my wife, who's ready to shut down the economy again.

Nobody is paying any attention to the death rate anymore because the treatments have gotten so much better. It's the hospitalization rates, the amount of time spent in the hospital, and the lingering effects of the virus after you're "cured" that people are worrying about.

[Cooterpoot]

Nobody is paying any attention to the death rate anymore because the treatments have gotten so much better. It's the hospitalization rates, the amount of time spent in the hospital, and the lingering effects of the virus after you're "cured" that people are worrying about.

I read where like 40% of hospitalized people have lingering effects. And like 90% of those people already had underlying issues. So the lingering effects is pretty limited beyond some minor things like a cough.
Anyone with lung scarring will have issues from now on. Stroke victims too. I had a still unidentified virus that hit me 20+ years ago (At Ft. Sam Houston) that left my lungs scarred and a constant cough. Lymph node, colon, and tendon issues too. Most of my family caught it (spread like wildfire) but it wasn't as hard on them. I suspect the bad Covid patients will deal with similar issues.
It's also why I made sure my will and insurance was in order when this stuff hit. Damn near died 20 years ago.

[SteelCurtain74]

CDC has lowered the number of days to quarantine to 10.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-changes-covid-19-guidance-how-long-patients-need-be-n1234883

[msstate7]

South Korea with seemingly a low total today, 113, but that's their biggest total since April 1st.

[Todd4State]

Nobody is paying any attention to the death rate anymore because the treatments have gotten so much better. It's the hospitalization rates, the amount of time spent in the hospital, and the lingering effects of the virus after you're "cured" that people are worrying about.

Logically if we're better at treating this- and we are- then the hospitalization rates will likely also decrease. Then they'll have to move the goal posts again.

[Liverpooldawg]

Logically if we're better at treating this- and we are- then the hospitalization rates will likely also decrease. Then they'll have to move the goal posts again.

The treatments might have got better, and they may not have. I suspect they have, sort of. That being said the primary reason for the lower death rate is absolutely not in doubt. The median age of confirmed infections has dropped BIG TIME. The hospital rates will also drop because of that. There is an old saying among those of us that have to deal with post op infection in our fields, the solution for pollution is dilution. Operating in an a septic field, irrigate the heck out of it. The solution to getting your BAD numbers to look better in any disease is to include more people who do better in your stats. You dilute the bad numbers. It's ONE reason why I laugh at the people who say the increasing numbers are due to increased testing. The more positives they can get the less dangerous it will look overall.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Logically if we're better at treating this- and we are- then the hospitalization rates will likely also decrease. Then they'll have to move the goal posts again.

You're right - the goalposts are being moved... First it was the flu kills more people, then it was the flu kills the same number, and now that narrative is gone completely and has moved to mortality rate within the US pop.

https://i.postimg.cc/9rNRB3W2/B3-A24-B57-9-E50-45-EC-91-B1-C0-C41-CE7-E613.jpg (https://postimg.cc/9rNRB3W2)

[msstate7]

You're right - the goalposts are being moved... First it was the flu kills more people, then it was the flu kills the same number, and now that narrative is gone completely and has moved to mortality rate within the US pop.

https://i.postimg.cc/9rNRB3W2/B3-A24-B57-9-E50-45-EC-91-B1-C0-C41-CE7-E613.jpg (https://postimg.cc/9rNRB3W2)

While I agree this isn't the flu. Your post is totally dishonest. Here's the article it's from...

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-us-compared-to-flu-by-age-2020-6

"... The number of people killed by influenza each year isn't reported the same way that COVID-19 deaths are ? a discrepancy that can cause confusion when comparing the numbers.

The CDC estimates the total number of flu infections in the US via its influenza-surveillance system, which gathers data from state and local partners and projects nationwide totals using infectious-disease models...."

"... Because of the newness of the coronavirus, calculations of the disease's death rate come from dividing the number of confirmed COVID-19 deaths by the total of confirmed cases. The numbers in the chart above come from the CDC's most recent June report.

In the US, the coronavirus has infected more than 2.3 million people since the first case was reported on January 22. But that case total likely far undercounts the true scope of the outbreak because it includes only those who have gotten tested...."

..

Right now the CDC puts the infection mortality rate range at 0.005-0.008.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#

[Gutter Cobreh]

While I agree this isn't the flu. Your post is totally dishonest. Here's the article it's from...

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-rate-us-compared-to-flu-by-age-2020-6

"... The number of people killed by influenza each year isn't reported the same way that COVID-19 deaths are ? a discrepancy that can cause confusion when comparing the numbers.

The CDC estimates the total number of flu infections in the US via its influenza-surveillance system, which gathers data from state and local partners and projects nationwide totals using infectious-disease models...."

"... Because of the newness of the coronavirus, calculations of the disease's death rate come from dividing the number of confirmed COVID-19 deaths by the total of confirmed cases. The numbers in the chart above come from the CDC's most recent June report.

In the US, the coronavirus has infected more than 2.3 million people since the first case was reported on January 22. But that case total likely far undercounts the true scope of the outbreak because it includes only those who have gotten tested...."

..

Right now the CDC puts the infection mortality rate range at 0.005-0.008.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#

My post was honest and it was about goalposts being moved....

Are you telling me (based off your post) that it's insincere to compare mortality rates for a novel virus to one we already have a research on?

I think where I went wrong is that I used CDC numbers. Since they don't manage the data any longer, do you have any HHS data you could post to show the comparison?

[msstate7]

My post was honest and it was about goalposts being moved....

Are you telling me (based off your post) that it's insincere to compare mortality rates for a novel virus to one we already have a research on?

I think where I went wrong is that I used CDC numbers. Since they don't manage the data any longer, do you have any HHS data you could post to show the comparison?

If you want the post to be factual, either use CDC estimates for both or documented cases for both. I shouldn't have to explain the difference to an adult, but I suppose it's necessary.

[Gutter Cobreh]

If you want the post to be factual, either use CDC estimates for both or documented cases for both. I shouldn't have to explain the difference to an adult, but I suppose it's necessary.

You post a lot of data/charts from here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

While we all appreciate you letting us know what is happening in Papua New Guinea and Kazakhstan, it looks like for the US - they pull data from CDC (just like my graph), so are you using factual data? Wonder why they haven't moved to pulling stats from HHS?

#goalpostsmoving

[Cooterpoot]

You post a lot of data/charts from here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

While we all appreciate you letting us know what is happening in Papua New Guinea and Kazakhstan, it looks like for the US - they pull data from CDC (just like my graph), so are you using factual data? Wonder why they haven't moved to pulling stats from HHS?

#goalpostsmoving

No data is factual in this Covid bullshit.

[msstate7]

Forget it. I can't understand the difference in documented rates and estimated rates for you. Compare them how you will...

[State82]

No data is factual in this Covid bullshit.

240 pages in this thread and this is possibly the most accurate statement to date.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Forget it. I can't understand the difference in documented rates and estimated rates for you. Compare them how you will...

Why are you not answering my questions? I haven't asked about estimated vs documented, but I have asked why your data source isn't using HHS numbers and why you use worldometers as your source? I also asked if you thought it was insincere to compare a novel virus to an existing one?

You post so many charts and tables, I figured you had done your research. Please educate me.

[DownwardDawg]

Why won’t Mississippians wear masks? Whether you believe they work or not why not just give it a try. It’s really f’n simple to do.

[msstate7]

Why are you not answering my questions? I haven't asked about estimated vs documented, but I have asked why your data source isn't using HHS numbers and why you use worldometers as your source? I also asked if you thought it was insincere to compare a novel virus to an existing one?

You post so many charts and tables, I figured you had done your research. Please educate me.

Worldometers gets their data from each state's dept of health/health dept.

I don't care if you use cdc. Hell, I posted the link to the cdc's covid death rate estimations. All I asked is that you post estimates to estimates or documented to documented. Even in the estimates, the data is in your favor for this argument you're making. Who in here is saying the flu is equal?

[msstate7]

https://i.postimg.cc/6qh59tGV/9-BEF8-B1-E-8-F42-46-A4-8-E23-24-D7-ECFCE0-F1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/QKHrmLmV)

https://twitter.com/heckofaliberal/status/1287440330040594433?s=21

[Gutter Cobreh]

https://i.postimg.cc/yYHSmpq3/0-D256-AF6-FB19-42-EE-8055-999-DBB522-AAB.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-death-age-older-people-higher-risk-2020-2


Worldometers gets their data from each state's dept of health/health dept.

I don't care if you use cdc. Hell, I posted the link to the cdc's covid death rate estimations. All I asked is that you post estimates to estimates or documented to documented. Even in the estimates, the data is in your favor for this argument you're making. Who in here is saying the flu is equal?

So should I use the Chinese Center for Disease for data like you've previously done?

Also, the link at the bottom of worldometer's page doesn't mention state's dept. of health/health dept.. Am I overlooking that? I see CDC as source #2, but nothing about specific state's information.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[msstate7]

So should I use the Chinese Center for Disease for data like you've previously done?

Also, the link at the bottom of worldometer's page doesn't mention state's dept. of health/health dept.. Am I overlooking that? I see CDC as source #2, but nothing about specific state's information.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Click link, then scroll to this row. The "1" listed first on each state is the dept oh health for that state.

https://i.postimg.cc/8k3V6FTF/738-A513-F-4503-472-D-939-F-9-C58-C412-FFF1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/hh9wFtzg)

[Dawgology]

An interesting tidbit I read today. .64% of the population of Mississippi currently has SARS-Cov2. Almost 1.5x as many Mississippians have recovered from Covid than who currently have Covid. That’s a silver lining.

Honestly, if we just all wore masks and did a little social distancing this thing would probably more or less go away in a month or so.

[msstate7]

Louisiana over 3800 cases today. That's a record for 1 day there

[Gutter Cobreh]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Click link, then scroll to this row. The "1" listed first on each state is the dept oh health for that state.

Thanks! That is very helpful and useful information!

[Schultzy]

I must admit, I’ve been very skeptical about a down of football being played this year but after talking to a member of the the coaching staff this week he was very positive about football happening this fall.

I’ll believe it when I see it but am much more hopeful now that they have practiced some and have even installed much of the offense ball in hand.

[Lord McBuckethead]

No data is factual in this Covid bullshit.

Sure it is.

[Lord McBuckethead]

An interesting tidbit I read today. .64% of the population of Mississippi currently has SARS-Cov2. Almost 1.5x as many Mississippians have recovered from Covid than who currently have Covid. That’s a silver lining.

Honestly, if we just all wore masks and did a little social distancing this thing would probably more or less go away in a month or so.

Exactly. If we all actually did what is needed, we all will be in a better place.

[StateDawg44]

240 pages in this thread and this is possibly the most accurate statement to date.

It's been said multiple times since the beginning of this thread. People saying at the time were considered stupid and told to look at my graph and numbers don't lie.

[Johnson85]

I think it's be more useful to see those bars as maybe a 15 or 30 day moving average. That would help compare what is going on right now across the country because its disingenuous to compare places like the Northeast that had a huge spike early to places that are just ramping up.

You need to see the totals to get an idea of how much of a population's current stats are due to current actions they are taking like shut downs or mask wearing, and how much is possibly due just to being "over the hump". If texas is wearing masks and Florida isn't, and Texas does better, that's a great sign for the potential to use masks to control this. If New York is wearing masks and FLorida isn't and New York's numbers are looking better, we don't have a good idea of whether that's masks or a sign that New York has had enough infections to slow down the transmission considerably.

The total numbers are also helpful to all the chicken littles, if they would look at them. Florida, California, and Texas have all had pretty different responses. California has been pretty hardcore, Texas sort of in the middle, and Florida relatively hands off beyond trying to keep hospitals from sending patients to nursing homes prematurely.

All three have pretty significant portions of their population that are minorities and/or poor. Florida obviously has a lot of older people also. None of them have an obvious advantage over the other. Florida was disadvantaged by getting hit earlier by the more contagious version of the virus. California was hit earlier, although primarily with the less contagious strain that spread east from Asia first. California should have a slight advantage from having a good portion of its state with moderate climate that doesn't need a lot of air conditioning compared to Texas or Florida. But you can't really see any obvious pattern based on the state actions they took. All are doing relatively well, with Texas doing the best and FLorida doing the worst. There just isn't any story to tell about how one approach obviously works. It appears that the virus mostly does what it's going to do regardless of what the state does.

[msstate7]

Florida reported least amount of cases since July 7th and least amount of deaths since July 13th. Their 7-day avg of cases looks like it might continue to go down.

[hacker]

https://i.postimg.cc/6qh59tGV/9-BEF8-B1-E-8-F42-46-A4-8-E23-24-D7-ECFCE0-F1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/QKHrmLmV)

https://twitter.com/heckofaliberal/status/1287440330040594433?s=21

You know as well as anyone that we weren't catching as many cases back then. This whole graphic is disingenuous

[Cooterpoot]

You know as well as anyone that we weren't catching as many cases back then. This whole graphic is disingenuous

Well, those deaths though...you're making excuses. Cuomo let people die.

[msstate7]

https://i.postimg.cc/1zdnnHRz/2-B22562-B-D873-483-C-B27-E-35-DD7-D9-B3795.jpg (https://postimg.cc/McyKg1Qk)

https://twitter.com/hughosmond/status/1287397437242519553?s=21

[msstate7]

Louisiana down from 3843 cases yesterday to 2343 today.

[Jack Lambert]

Well, those deaths though...you're making excuses. Cuomo let people die.

I imagine FL has a higher percentage of 65 and older population than NY.

[Johnson85]

You know as well as anyone that we weren't catching as many cases back then. This whole graphic is disingenuous

How would catching fewer cases explain New York having over 6 times the number of deaths per 100k?

There's no doubt FLorida had some advantages that New York didn't (milder weather when first wave hit, less dense, slightly more notice, etc), but nothing that would excuse NY having 6 times the number of deaths per 100k. Cuomo and New York in general just did an awful job. Sending sick people into nursing homes, reducing mass transit capacity, effectively discouraging people from getting outside and encouraging them to remain indoors in relatively cramped quarters, often with multigenerational families. They basically made the wrong decision every time they had the chance.

Other states will probably close some of the gap, but probably none of them will get to NY or NJ levels of bad.

[Turfdawg67]

Well, those deaths though...you're making excuses. Cuomo let people die.

Those deaths were inflated for cash... everyone said so.

[dawgday166]

Love the black Nigerian lady doc who rips a new asshole to the fake narrative the "Orange Man Bad" crowd is pushing/spreading.


https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/07/27/watch-live-frontline-physicians-aim-to-dispel-massive-covid-19-disinformation-campaign/

ETA: Fauci been telling everyone mostly the opposite of all of this. And IMO he's known the whole freakin time. What a fraud he is.

[Turfdawg67]

A Breitbart story about an event organized by the Tea Party Patriots. Lolz.

[dawgday166]

You're right. CNN and the Cuomo twins are much more accurate info. I've seen same thing from other doctors and different sites. They've been scared to speak up for fear of repercussions from Fauci and CDC.

[Johnson85]

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/why-the-coronavirus-nightmare-may-soon-be-over/

[hacker]

How would catching fewer cases explain New York having over 6 times the number of deaths per 100k?

There's no doubt FLorida had some advantages that New York didn't (milder weather when first wave hit, less dense, slightly more notice, etc), but nothing that would excuse NY having 6 times the number of deaths per 100k. Cuomo and New York in general just did an awful job. Sending sick people into nursing homes, reducing mass transit capacity, effectively discouraging people from getting outside and encouraging them to remain indoors in relatively cramped quarters, often with multigenerational families. They basically made the wrong decision every time they had the chance.

Other states will probably close some of the gap, but probably none of them will get to NY or NJ levels of bad.

There's also the advantage that Florida is only a few weeks into it getting bad there. And it's still bad. Pretty silly to even be comparing the two states before it gets better in Florida.

[msstate7]

There's also the advantage that Florida is only a few weeks into it getting bad there. And it's still bad. Pretty silly to even be comparing the two states before it gets better in Florida.

Cases are already on the decline.

[msstate7]

NJ with 639 cases, which is most since June 12th. The last thing we need is them taking off again.

[StateDawg44]

There's also the advantage that Florida is only a few weeks into it getting bad there. And it's still bad. Pretty silly to even be comparing the two states before it gets better in Florida.

Pretty silly to be building the foundation of your stance in all of this on numbers that lagged 4 months from the actual arrival of the virus too.

[Liverpooldawg]

Y'all don't get too fired up about Monday new case numbers being down. If they were high then that WOULD be something to be worried about. That's just the nature of it, things are closed over the weekend. Watch the 7 day moving average when it come to new cases.

[msstate7]

Y'all don't get too fired up about Monday new case numbers being down. If they were high then that WOULD be something to be worried about. That's just the nature of it, things are closed over the weekend. Watch the 7 day moving average when it come to new cases.

What state you talking about, Florida?

https://i.postimg.cc/6qSMJYRB/13830-B13-6611-4-A52-824-B-A5755-BA8-A3-C6.jpg (https://postimg.cc/vxrr573K)

[Johnson85]

There's also the advantage that Florida is only a few weeks into it getting bad there. And it's still bad. Pretty silly to even be comparing the two states before it gets better in Florida.

FLorida is only a few weeks into it getting bad there because they didn't do such an awful job stopping the spread. Again, I'm skeptical as to how much of that is due to state action and collective response versus circumstances like weather and density, but if government action does anything, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that New York and New Jersey did a terrible job and Florida is doing a pretty good job.

[BeardoMSU]

Love the black Nigerian lady doc who rips a new asshole to the fake narrative the "Orange Man Bad" crowd is pushing/spreading.


Lol...I can't wait for her to be right about alien DNA and people having sex with demons and witches getting them sick. That would be fun.

And she hasn't ripped anyone a new asshole....unless you're referring to the gullible rubes who buy into her grift.

[BeardoMSU]

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-revokes-emergency-use-authorization-chloroquine-and

I guess this is just more "deep state" noise...

But yeah, believe the Nigerian "doctor"/prosperity-gospel minister/crazy person...I'm sure she knows best.

[msstate7]

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-revokes-emergency-use-authorization-chloroquine-and

I guess this is just more "deep state" noise...

But yeah, believe the Nigerian "doctor"/prosperity-gospel minister/crazy person...I'm sure she knows best.

I have no idea what to believe on this drug. Dr. Harvey Risch, a professor of epidemiology at the Yale School of Public Health and Yale School of Medicine seems like a credible guy though, and he doesn't think this drug is dangerous.

https://republicanfreedom.com/2020/07/26/yale-professor-calls-cnn-anchor-s-hydroxychloroquine-alarmism-ludicrous/

And I know the site is sketchy, but it provides direct quotes.

[Jack Lambert]

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-revokes-emergency-use-authorization-chloroquine-and

I guess this is just more "deep state" noise...

But yeah, believe the Nigerian "doctor"/prosperity-gospel minister/crazy person...I'm sure she knows best.

I don't think it is deep state. I think there is no money to be earned by using it for the drug companies. Most politicians in Washington have Foundations that these companies donate to. They are legal and are run by the wives and children of the politician. They can be paid any amount of salary from the foundation as the foundations want to pay them. the drug companies cannot legally talk to the politicians but they can donate to the foundation and tell the wife what they wish the politician would do. It is a legal bribe and it is why we are all screwed no matter if you are Republican or Democrat. They preach what you want to hear and what they believe but if they have to act on it and it is going to cost them money they will not act on it. They are all going to protect what is theirs.

I don't know if that makes sense or not.

[BeardoMSU]

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-politics/university-of-north-texas-study-mask-orders-help-slow-spread-of-covid-19/

and here is data quoted in the article

https://www.unthsc.edu/newsroom/wp-content/uploads/sites/16/COVID-19-report-July-20-updated.pdf

[BeardoMSU]

Re: Stella Immanuel, "Demon Sperm" is trending on Twitter this morning, lol.

[confucius say]

7 day case average has been flat now for 10 days. Good sign.

[chef dixon]

Love the black Nigerian lady doc who rips a new asshole to the fake narrative the "Orange Man Bad" crowd is pushing/spreading.


https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/07/27/watch-live-frontline-physicians-aim-to-dispel-massive-covid-19-disinformation-campaign/

ETA: Fauci been telling everyone mostly the opposite of all of this. And IMO he's known the whole freakin time. What a fraud he is.

Why do you believe this so easily? Most everyone that was dying in New York was getting this combo. There is no magic cure.

[Liverpooldawg]

The bottom line is this and this alone: If it worked everyone in the whole world would be using it. They aren't. It just doesn't work. That has been proven by sound studies.

[confucius say]

The bottom line is this and this alone: If it worked everyone in the whole world would be using it. They aren't. It just doesn't work. That has been proven by sound studies.

Maybe it works for some and not others? There have been people who took it and got better. Maybe that is a coincidence, but try telling them that.

[Dawg2003]

The issue is that most people recover from covid with no medication, so you have no clue if hydroxychloroquine is the reason they got better. It's more likely the person recovered on their own. That doctor is some kind of witch doctor though.

[msstate7]

The issue is that most people recover from covid with no medication, so you have no clue if hydroxychloroquine is the reason they got better. It's more likely the person recovered on their own. That doctor is some kind of witch doctor though.

Well it was pulled for being "dangerous", right? It does seem odd that a drug that's been around as long as hydroxychloroquine is now considered dangerous.

[BeardoMSU]

Well it was pulled for being "dangerous", right? It does seem odd that a drug that's been around as long as hydroxychloroquine is now considered dangerous.

It's meant to treat MALARIA. That's it's purpose.

[Dawg2003]

Well it was pulled for being "dangerous", right? It does seem odd that a drug that's been around as long as hydroxychloroquine is now considered dangerous.

The side effects are rare but severe. Blindness and lethal arrhythmias are two that come to mind. If it doesn't work, even one person with a severe side effect is too much.

[SheltonChoked]

Maybe it works for some and not others? There have been people who took it and got better. Maybe that is a coincidence, but try telling them that.

But it doesn't. In every age group, in every use, it was either no better than not giving it, or in some groups, caused earlier and longer ventilator usage with the same survival rate.

[SheltonChoked]

Well it was pulled for being "dangerous", right? It does seem odd that a drug that's been around as long as hydroxychloroquine is now considered dangerous.

But it's better than getting Malaria.... Because it helps you not get malaria.

For Covid, it might make you be on a ventilator longer, puts you at risk of the other bad side affects, and that's it. It doesn't help.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Why all the angst regarding hudroxychlorquine? Should I contract COVID 19 and my physician advises me to take it, I will. I will not, however, ask him or her to prescribe it because because the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave is pimping it. The sickening political debate regarding this drug is maddening.

[Prediction? Pain.]

My dad sent me a link a the Journal of the American Medical Association's comprehensive review of COVID a couple of weeks back, and I meant to toss a link in this thread so that y'all could check it out if you hadn't yet. My bad. Here's the link:

Pathophysiology, Transmission, Diagnosis, and Treatment of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768391)

It's dated July 10 so I imagine there are some points that need updating. Still, it's a really good overview. Plus, if you tinker with the window on the right side of the page, you can check out cool infographics and illustrations, like this bad boy:

https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/content_public/journal/jama/0/m_jrv200009f2.png?Expires=2147483647&Signature=viRASgl~v3oLoO~Ny7tgscqDly1RI6CdDCf~mOaJ d~ND7Pc68EtDQDXtFsFkvQ7Nrq5MDn8C6SaBMYKDvQ5GHYcg3q 61ULk8FV5sSLBeiv0xA02-MeSS9qPbgf8tH14bsPnZUgjMBVJ2IrMh3yX6UUrCIf0FiNUZYm P1FujhEwyguO4kMRGVQtfQ7whstQmRvDQHK3Q-WvO5710kOOdUGhJ6AlEUkIZ0iu6RUG5YdObGH-vOaUpc44MIAbkeTw0djJv8YOsdGNlzU-M34i2rqAMzmXJ2FwPWAhpRmOb2IGANMnOLs-KC39oCI5H~NONI27bqoG2-2waVjXvOV5uttg__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA

Science!

Oh, and re: y'all's hydroxychloroquine discussion, here's where stuff stood as of July 10 per the "Treatment" section of the JAMA article (sans the dozen footnotes that are in the paragraph in the article):


More than 200 trials of chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine, compounds that inhibit viral entry and endocytosis of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro and may have beneficial immunomodulatory effects in vivo, have been initiated, but early data from clinical trials in hospitalized patients with COVID-19 have not demonstrated clear benefit. A clinical trial of 150 patients in China admitted to the hospital for mild to moderate COVID-19 did not find an effect on negative conversion of SARS-CoV-2 by 28 days (the main outcome measure) when compared with standard of care alone. Two retrospective studies found no effect of hydroxychloroquine on risk of intubation or mortality among patients hospitalized for COVID-19. One of these retrospective multicenter cohort studies compared in-hospital mortality between those treated with hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin (735 patients), hydroxychloroquine alone (271 patients), azithromycin alone (211 patients), and neither drug (221 patients), but reported no differences across the groups. Adverse effects are common, most notably QT prolongation with an increased risk of cardiac complications in an already vulnerable population. These findings do not support off-label use of (hydroxy)chloroquine either with or without the coadministration of azithromycin. Randomized clinical trials are ongoing and should provide more guidance.

[State82]

It's meant to treat MALARIA. That's it's purpose.

And as a daily medication for lupus. I have a friend that's been on it daily for many years

[Extendedcab]

The side effects are rare but severe. Blindness and lethal arrhythmias are two that come to mind. If it doesn't work, even one person with a severe side effect is too much.


Oh my Gosh, have you heard the serious side-effects of half of the drugs advertised on TV these days? The side-effects are worse than the damn condition/disease they are trying to treat. I am listing 3 common drugs advertised on TV below.

HUMIRA can cause serious side effects, including:
Serious infections.
Hepatitis B infection in carriers of the virus.
Allergic reactions.
Nervous system problems.
Blood problems (decreased blood cells that help fight infections or stop bleeding).
Heart failure (new or worsening)
And more!

Xeljanz side-effects include upper respiratory tract infection
cold-like symptoms
diarrhea
rash
\herpes zoster infection (shingles)
headache.
serious infections
cancer
blood clots
and death.


ELIQUIS can cause bleeding
Unexpected bleeding or bleeding that lasts a long time, such as:
Unusual bleeding from the gums
Nosebleeds that happen often
Menstrual or ******l bleeding that is heavier than normal
Bleeding that is severe or you cannot control
Red, pink, or brown urine
Red or black stools (looks like tar)
Coughing up or vomiting blood
Vomit that looks like coffee grounds
Unexpected pain,
swelling, or joint pain
Headaches
Feeling dizzy or weak
Tingling
Numbness
Muscle weakness
Sudden chest pain or
chest tightness
Sudden swelling of your face or tongue
Trouble breathing
Wheezing
Feeling dizzy or faint

And you are now going to complain about a drug (hydroxychloroquine ) that has been around for decades? Complain about the others while you are at it. Don't be selective! That is discrimination you know!!

[Dawg2003]

Oh my Gosh, have you heard the serious side-effects of half of the drugs advertised on TV these days? The side-effects are worse than the damn condition/disease they are trying to treat. I am listing 3 common drugs advertised on TV below.

HUMIRA can cause serious side effects, including:
Serious infections.
Hepatitis B infection in carriers of the virus.
Allergic reactions.
Nervous system problems.
Blood problems (decreased blood cells that help fight infections or stop bleeding).
Heart failure (new or worsening)
And more!

Xeljanz side-effects include upper respiratory tract infection
cold-like symptoms
diarrhea
rash
\herpes zoster infection (shingles)
headache.
serious infections
cancer
blood clots
and death.


ELIQUIS can cause bleeding
Unexpected bleeding or bleeding that lasts a long time, such as:
Unusual bleeding from the gums
Nosebleeds that happen often
Menstrual or ******l bleeding that is heavier than normal
Bleeding that is severe or you cannot control
Red, pink, or brown urine
Red or black stools (looks like tar)
Coughing up or vomiting blood
Vomit that looks like coffee grounds
Unexpected pain,
swelling, or joint pain
Headaches
Feeling dizzy or weak
Tingling
Numbness
Muscle weakness
Sudden chest pain or
chest tightness
Sudden swelling of your face or tongue
Trouble breathing
Wheezing
Feeling dizzy or faint

And you are now going to complain about a drug (hydroxychloroquine ) that has been around for decades? Complain about the others while you are at it. Don't be selective! That is discrimination you know!!

You sound confused and unable to understand the issue. All medications have side effects, and there's always a trade off for taking a medication. The problem comes in when the medication doesn't treat the condition, and you're not getting a benefit in exchange for the possible side effect. Or if the medication's side effects are life threatening to certain people in a trial.

[Matt3467]

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-revokes-emergency-use-authorization-chloroquine-and

I guess this is just more "deep state" noise...

But yeah, believe the Nigerian "doctor"/prosperity-gospel minister/crazy person...I'm sure she knows best.


Re: Stella Immanuel, "Demon Sperm" is trending on Twitter this morning, lol.

A little context would be pertinent here. She's from a place where witchcraft is practiced commonly and also she's a pastor. She's preaching against it. I doubt you're a christian but as far as the latter post is concerned Gen 6 is a common reference. Seems like a common thing for people nowadays to go and find something about someone's personal life they can use to discredit them. You and a few others on here are very good at that.

[DownwardDawg]

Never mind

Y’all watch tv.

[Extendedcab]

You sound confused and unable to understand the issue. All medications have side effects, and there's always a trade off for taking a medication. The problem comes in when the medication doesn't treat the condition, and you're not getting a benefit in exchange for the possible side effect. Or if the medication's side effects are life threatening to certain people in a trial.

Nope, not confused, hydroxychloroquine has not been disproved to not have a positive affect on COVID - at least for some percentage of patients, but you knew that.

[DownwardDawg]

Nope, not confused, hydroxychloroquine has not been disproved to not have a positive affect on COVID - at least for some percentage of patients, but you knew that.

It’s still being used.

[Turfdawg67]

A little context would be pertinent here. She's from a place where witchcraft is practiced commonly and also she's a pastor. She's preaching against it. I doubt you're a christian but as far as the latter post is concerned Gen 6 is a common reference. Seems like a common thing for people nowadays to go and find something about someone's personal life they can use to discredit them. You and a few others on here are very good at that.

Based off his posts, he's much more "Christian" than most of these bible toting bigots on this thread. God sees through y'all's bullshit boys... he knows what's in your heart, and for most of you, it ain't good.

[DownwardDawg]

I watched the shit show on capital hill today. Our country is in big trouble. Big trouble.

This is a Political thread. That’s why I posted it here.

[Turfdawg67]

I watched the shit show on capital hill today. Our country is in big trouble. Big trouble.

This is a Political thread. That’s why I posted it here.

Yeah, it's a 17'n mess. I'll agree with you on that.

[BeardoMSU]

A little context would be pertinent here. She's from a place where witchcraft is practiced commonly and also she's a pastor. She's preaching against it. I doubt you're a christian but as far as the latter post is concerned Gen 6 is a common reference. Seems like a common thing for people nowadays to go and find something about someone's personal life they can use to discredit them. You and a few others on here are very good at that.

Context? Interesting...I'm wondering if such gymnastic graciousness would be awarded to someone opposite your political spectrum, in similar circumstances? I mean, you're justifying someone's beliefs of witchcraft and sex with demons...just typing that sounds ****ing nuts.

As far as "being from a place where witchcraft is practiced" and "a common thing for people nowadays to go and find something about someone's personal life to discredit them"....as you said, context matters...in this case, we're talking about medicine and science and its capacity to stop a deadly global pandemic. Someone peddling in such things as demon semen (that rhyming sounds like James Joyce**), Alien DNA, and mixing it all with prosperity-gospel is absolutely in-bounds for criticism, as it relates directly to that individual's credibility as a "doctor". And this person chose to thrust themselves into the public microscope, btw. This person is being promoted by many people very close to the President of the United States, including his oldest son. And on top of that, she's personally soliciting POTUS on Twitter. If that's not the definition of fair game, I don't know what is. Also, it's not like her comments were ancient history, either....just yesterday she was threatening Facebook and Twitter for censoring her posts containing misinformation re: both HCQ and mask wearing; she said all their websites would crash because that's what happens when you challenge God and Jesus. Not joking. I fail to see the benefit to "Western Medicine" that practices such as blood-letting, exorcisms, seances, happy-thoughts, etc. may have.

You said "you and a few others are very good at that" (re: discrediting people). Do me a favor and name a single person I've rooted-out/discredited/slandered in a way that wasn't absolutely germane to the topic of discussion. I'll look forward to this detective work.


"I doubt you're a christian but...". I found this comment interesting. What in my posts lead you to this conclusion? I don't even engage the overtly religious discussions that many posters have, so I'm at a loss. I avoid them actually.

Just fyi, I was raised Southern Baptist, which admittedly I never fit into. Then I went to college, met and married an Episcopal, and that's where I am now.

[SheltonChoked]

Nope, not confused, hydroxychloroquine has not been disproved to not have a positive affect on COVID - at least for some percentage of patients, but you knew that.

Yes it has. All hydroxychloroquine does for COVID patients is put them on a ventilator quicker for longer, per multiple studies.

And even if it did, it needs to be given as treatment, not as a preventative, which it was touted for.

I mean opium is a great painkiller, but we don't want everyone taking it now on the risk they may be injured. The risk is too great.

[BeardoMSU]

I mean opium is a great painkiller


Aye...
https://media0.giphy.com/media/4TgFeQBxcWB89uOI4y/giphy.gif

Meanwhile...

https://i.gifer.com/AoXD.gif

[hacker]

Remember the data collection change from CDC to HHS a couple weeks ago?

1288240771028549633

https://covidtracking.com/blog/whats-going-on-with-covid-19-hospitalization-data

[Matt3467]

Context? Interesting...I'm wondering if such gymnastic graciousness would be awarded to someone opposite your political spectrum, in similar circumstances? I mean, you're justifying someone's beliefs of witchcraft and sex with demons...just typing that sounds ****ing nuts.

As far as "being from a place where witchcraft is practiced" and "a common thing for people nowadays to go and find something about someone's personal life to discredit them"....as you said, context matters...in this case, we're talking about medicine and science and its capacity to stop a deadly global pandemic. Someone peddling in such things as demon semen (that rhyming sounds like James Joyce**), Alien DNA, and mixing it all with prosperity-gospel is absolutely in-bounds for criticism, as it relates directly to that individual's credibility as a "doctor". And this person chose to thrust themselves into the public microscope, btw. This person is being promoted by many people very close to the President of the United States, including his oldest son. And on top of that, she's personally soliciting POTUS on Twitter. If that's not the definition of fair game, I don't know what is. Also, it's not like her comments were ancient history, either....just yesterday she was threatening Facebook and Twitter for censoring her posts containing misinformation re: both HCQ and mask wearing; she said all their websites would crash because that's what happens when you challenge God and Jesus. Not joking. I fail to see the benefit to "Western Medicine" that practices such as blood-letting, exorcisms, seances, happy-thoughts, etc. may have.

You said "you and a few others are very good at that" (re: discrediting people). Do me a favor and name a single person I've rooted-out/discredited/slandered in a way that wasn't absolutely germane to the topic of discussion. I'll look forward to this detective work.


"I doubt you're a christian but...". I found this comment interesting. What in my posts lead you to this conclusion? I don't even engage the overtly religious discussions that many posters have, so I'm at a loss. I avoid them actually.

Just fyi, I was raised Southern Baptist, which admittedly I never fit into. Then I went to college, met and married an Episcopal, and that's where I am now.

Yes, context. Someones personal beliefs outside of medicine doesn't matter as long as it stays outside of it. You bringing up her religious beliefs to slander her is a prime example of straying out of the context of medicine. She says she's personally treated 350 Covid patients across all spectrums and all have recovered with HCQ tx. Is it misinformation if she's used HCQ in her practice and it's worked? What can you say to that except say that she's lying? Btw she wasn't the only doctor up there saying the same things yet it's the black one that didn't meet your standards. Why not run background checks on the others while you're at it? "I fail to see the benefit to "Western Medicine" that practices such as blood-letting, exorcisms, seances, happy-thoughts, etc. may have," okay.....unless she's practicing this what purpose did you have bringing that up?

"Do me a favor and name a single person I've rooted-out/discredited/slandered in a way that wasn't absolutely germane to the topic of discussion. I'll look forward to this detective work." I'm glad you asked because I won't have to look far. You slandered me on page 41 of the COVID thread when I mentioned working in healthcare and not being ignorant (concerning COVID) by responding, "Look...no one said emptying out bed pans wasn't a noble profession...thank you for your bravery**." You called that a joke but I'm not an idiot as it was a sly remark to attempt to discredit any opinion I had on the matter.

"I don't even engage the overtly religious discussions that many posters have, so I'm at a loss. I avoid them actually." You jumped in that boat when you criticized someone else's religious beliefs and then tried using that to discredit their career.

[chef dixon]

You won't find more than 1% of physicians who think HCQ + azithromycin works. Most don't care about politics more than respect to peer-reviewed trials and research that the profession primarily is based on. Good job finding a video with the 1% minority to say what a lot of folks "want" to hear. There's some in every crowd.

[Gutter Cobreh]

"Do me a favor and name a single person I've rooted-out/discredited/slandered in a way that wasn't absolutely germane to the topic of discussion. I'll look forward to this detective work." I'm glad you asked because I won't have to look far. You slandered me on page 41 of the COVID thread when I mentioned working in healthcare and not being ignorant (concerning COVID) by responding, "Look...no one said emptying out bed pans wasn't a noble profession...thank you for your bravery**." You called that a joke but I'm not an idiot as it was a sly remark to attempt to discredit any opinion I had on the matter.

You've been holding on to that for 202 pages (or 4 months) of this thread??? Jeez man, that's a heavy burden to be carrying around....

[Gutter Cobreh]

Remember the data collection change from CDC to HHS a couple weeks ago?

1288240771028549633

https://covidtracking.com/blog/whats-going-on-with-covid-19-hospitalization-data

Are you implying data is being suppressed????

[hacker]

Are you implying data is being suppressed????

I don't think it's being suppressed, but I think it's adding to the confusion and misinformation. Maybe that's the goal. Can't be outraged by the numbers if you don't believe the numbers.

[msstate7]

Remember the data collection change from CDC to HHS a couple weeks ago?

1288240771028549633

https://covidtracking.com/blog/whats-going-on-with-covid-19-hospitalization-data

Isn't all that data from the states? Are you saying that the HHS changes what the state gives them? It would be fairly easy to check this, right? Just go to each state's health dept site, no?

[msstate7]

Keeping with the subject of the day... here's an opinion piece written by Harvey Risch (professor of epidemiology at Yale) about HCQ...

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535

[hacker]

Isn't all that data from the states? Are you saying that the HHS changes what the state gives them? It would be fairly easy to check this, right? Just go to each state's health dept site, no?

The blog post goes into detail but HHS and state data hasn't matched. HHS is actually reporting more hospitalizations than the states.

"Some of the states facing the largest COVID-19 outbreaks—such as California, Texas, and South Carolina—have warned that they are not reporting accurate hospital information due to the switchover."

"These problems mean that our hospitalization data—a crucial metric of the COVID-19 pandemic—is, for now, unreliable, and likely an undercount. We do not think that either the state-level hospitalization data or the new federal data is reliable in isolation."

"Until we see the data stabilize at the state level and understand more about the reasons why the state and federal datasets for current COVID-19 hospitalizations don’t match up, we would urge caution in using either state-reported or HHS hospital data in isolation to understand local outbreaks or the burden on healthcare systems."

[Homedawg]

Remember the data collection change from CDC to HHS a couple weeks ago?

1288240771028549633

https://covidtracking.com/blog/whats-going-on-with-covid-19-hospitalization-data

If you've ever heard Ron white.... it's fitting for you I bet you are like one of those bouncers that like beating off to brave heart. Except it's you w bad news w covid.

[dawgday166]

Lol...I can't wait for her to be right about alien DNA and people having sex with demons and witches getting them sick. That would be fun.

And she hasn't ripped anyone a new asshole....unless you're referring to the gullible rubes who buy into her grift.

You got video of her saying those things. Or you listening to the Ministry of Truth from 1984 (CNN, MSNBC, etc.)?

If you got video, then I'll stand corrected. Sure ain't gonna listen to Mr. ex-CIA Anderson Cooper.

ETA: And there are at least as many or more official studies now that I would trust more that says it does work if prescribed early.

[Prediction? Pain.]

Keeping with the subject of the day... here's an opinion piece written by Harvey Risch (professor of epidemiology at Yale) about HCQ...

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535

Yeah, I guess there is still some disagreement in the ranks. Not sure how many other scientists and docs agree with Risch's take on the most recent literature, though. In addition to the July 10 JAMA piece I linked a page or two ago with the reference to 200+ studies on the drug -- studies that only the whole apparently found that it wasn't an effective treatment -- the day that Risch's Newsweek op-ed piece was published, the the New England Journal of Medicine published the results of a clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-covid-19-evidence-cant-seem-to-kill-it/) for COVID patients. The results didn't jive with Risch, either:


A total of 667 patients underwent randomization; 504 patients had confirmed Covid-19 and were included in the modified intention-to-treat analysis. As compared with standard care, the proportional odds of having a higher score on the seven-point ordinal scale at 15 days was not affected by either hydroxychloroquine alone . . . or hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin . . . .

CONCLUSIONS
Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care.

I'm with Risch re: tossing the political crap out the window and let scientists and doctors do what they need to do. So far -- at least according to the Journal of the American Medical Association's study of 200+ trials and studies -- the majority of scientists and docs seem to think that it's not a viable treatment. If that's the case, cool, move on to something else. If that's not the case, cool, use it where it helps.

[chef dixon]

You got video of her saying those things. Or you listening to the Ministry of Truth from 1984 (CNN, MSNBC, etc.)?

If you got video, then I'll stand corrected. Sure ain't gonna listen to Mr. ex-CIA Anderson Cooper.

ETA: And there are at least as many or more official studies now that I would trust more that says it does work if prescribed early.


Here's some reading material:

https://www.idsociety.org/practice-guideline/covid-19-guideline-treatment-and-management/?fbclid=IwAR2jHqDTHyVS0_ZnINM5v_bNFyIt4Dc0-qL4fydnlaYgifqbMyz_sMqvFK0

Its essentially an exhaustive summary of all treatment studies for COVID-19 and the recommendations based off of them. I'm sure you've got a reason to distrust it, but its from the Infectious Disease Society of America. I know its not as convenient, glamorous, or easy as watching a video of a random doctor who drove to DC and gave a fantastic speech. Its going to be really boring, but try and stick with it.

[confucius say]

Isn't all that data from the states? Are you saying that the HHS changes what the state gives them? It would be fairly easy to check this, right? Just go to each state's health dept site, no?

Doesn't the worldometers page use state data? Just keep using that page.

[BeardoMSU]

Yes, context. Someones personal beliefs outside of medicine doesn't matter as long as it stays outside of it. You bringing up her religious beliefs to slander her is a prime example of straying out of the context of medicine. She says she's personally treated 350 Covid patients across all spectrums and all have recovered with HCQ tx. Is it misinformation if she's used HCQ in her practice and it's worked? What can you say to that except say that she's lying? Btw she wasn't the only doctor up there saying the same things yet it's the black one that didn't meet your standards. Why not run background checks on the others while you're at it? "I fail to see the benefit to "Western Medicine" that practices such as blood-letting, exorcisms, seances, happy-thoughts, etc. may have," okay.....unless she's practicing this what purpose did you have bringing that up?

"Do me a favor and name a single person I've rooted-out/discredited/slandered in a way that wasn't absolutely germane to the topic of discussion. I'll look forward to this detective work." I'm glad you asked because I won't have to look far. You slandered me on page 41 of the COVID thread when I mentioned working in healthcare and not being ignorant (concerning COVID) by responding, "Look...no one said emptying out bed pans wasn't a noble profession...thank you for your bravery**." You called that a joke but I'm not an idiot as it was a sly remark to attempt to discredit any opinion I had on the matter.

"I don't even engage the overtly religious discussions that many posters have, so I'm at a loss. I avoid them actually." You jumped in that boat when you criticized someone else's religious beliefs and then tried using that to discredit their career.

Ok, lets try to unpack all of this...

"Yes, context. Someones personal beliefs outside of medicine doesn't matter as long as it stays outside of it. You bringing up her religious beliefs to slander her is a prime example of straying out of the context of medicine."

I didn't make her religious beliefs paramount to her credibility; she did. Her Twitter bio reads, and I quote, "Physician, Author, Speaker, Entrepreneur, Deliverance Minister, God's battle axe and weapon of war." And it doesn't take long scrolling down through her twitter feed to see some rather controversial statements regarding medicine, it's application, science, and the lot. So, it's clear she's not separating her life as a doctor and her life as a prosperity-gospel/entrepreneur/sayer of crazy things regarding demons, aliens, and Fauci urine tests, thus, the public shouldn't either when vetting her expertise.

"She says she's personally treated 350 Covid patients across all spectrums and all have recovered with HCQ tx. Is it misinformation if she's used HCQ in her practice and it's worked? What can you say to that except say that she's lying?"

I definitely find her statements curious, as they seem to stand in contrast to the vast majority of scientific/medical consensus...so...as I said, I'm curious. Anyone can say anything, after all...and they often do, especially in front of video cameras. So, without taking her word for it, I would like to see the data, her methods, etc. I do find it odd that her supposed employer (http://www.rehobothmedicalcenter.com/), doesn't have a functional website. They do have a facebook page, however (https://www.facebook.com/Rehoboth-Medical-Center-100321995001608/), though it doesn't leave me brimming with trust.

"Btw she wasn't the only doctor up there saying the same things yet it's the black one that didn't meet your standards. Why not run background checks on the others while you're at it?"

This would be fair, if not for the fact I was responding directly to another poster who was referencing her directly. So that's that.

"okay.....unless she's practicing this what purpose did you have bringing that up?"

Because she is presenting herself as an authority on medicine, and more specifically, the treatment of COVID. She's not just saying HCQ works; she's saying it's the ****ing CURE, so no need to wear a mask....which is outlandish, non scientific, and potentially damaging to public health, yet none of that is surprising when taken in with other statements of hers (e.g., demon semen, alien DNA, etc.). And btw, if she was just some rube on the street saying this stuff, it wouldn't that big a deal, but since she's now being amplified by the ruler of the free world and several of his minions, those words have power, and thus require scrutiny.

"I'm glad you asked because I won't have to look far. You slandered me on page 41 of the COVID thread when I mentioned working in healthcare and not being ignorant (concerning COVID) by responding, "Look...no one said emptying out bed pans wasn't a noble profession...thank you for your bravery**." You called that a joke but I'm not an idiot as it was a sly remark to attempt to discredit any opinion I had on the matter."

It absolutely was a joke. A callus one, perhaps? Sure, but still a joke. I see you've been a member of ED since 2014, so I might've wrongly assumed you understood people sometimes joke hard here, and usually people take what they dish (myself included). However, if you noticed on page 40, I ask you directly to clarify this statement:
"And the difference in public response between the coronavirus and the flu is the msm over sensationalizing it causing people to panic. Ridiculous we can't go to a store now without waiting hours in line only to find out all the toilet paper just sold out and most of the meat, bread, and bottled water are gone as well. This is crazy and it's all because of our media."

...in which you were still equating COVID to the damn flu...to which you never responded. So yeah, I zinged you with a joke. If you do, in fact, empty out bedpans, I sincerely apologize for degrading what you do (see?...another joke; laugh a little). Granted, this was back in March, but there were a few of y'all still clamoring to die on that hill. Thanks for directing my attention back to the 40 page mark of this thread; it's quite interesting to see how things have changed, while some things haven't. Fascinating.

Now, I asked you to provide an example of where I have "rooted-out/discredited/slandered". I will contend that joke, if taken seriously, could be considered callus, even hateful; if one is devoid of humor, I suppose. However, to be clear, in that moment, you were an anonymous message board poster equating the severity and contagion of COVID to the common flu, something that even in March was soundly discredited. Our credentials aren't posted under our avatars, after all. Also, I sure hope you can see the difference between me zinging you with a joke on a message board me directing criticism to a person who is being platformed by POTUS and a number of his surrogates. Apples to bowling balls.

[Turfdawg67]

You've been holding on to that for 202 pages (or 4 months) of this thread??? Jeez man, that's a heavy burden to be carrying around....

Lolz...


If you've ever heard Ron white.... it's fitting for you I bet you are like one of those bouncers that like beating off to brave heart. Except it's you w bad news w covid.

Nah, he's a realist. And if Hillary was prez you'd be right there with him. I'm guessing, and I speak for myself, Hacker would be just as critical if the roles were reversed. Statements like "It'll all be gone one day like magic". Or "We have 15 cases, soon to be none." (paraphrasing) would have 50 pages by themselves. GTFOH

[BeardoMSU]

Keeping with the subject of the day... here's an opinion piece written by Harvey Risch (professor of epidemiology at Yale) about HCQ...

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535

I saw that earlier after you responded to me, just forgot to post it. Thanks for doing so.

[Homedawg]

Lolz...



Nah, he's a realist. And if Hillary was prez you'd be right there with him. I'm guessing, and I speak for myself, Hacker would be just as critical if the roles were reversed. Statements like "It'll all be gone one day like magic". Or "We have 15 cases, soon to be none." (paraphrasing) would have 50 pages by themselves. GTFOH

Yeah hes clearly realistic and you too.....**** now go find tatersalad....

[hacker]

Doesn't the worldometers page use state data? Just keep using that page.

They don't post hospitalization data, which is what my post was about

[dawgday166]

Here's some reading material:

https://www.idsociety.org/practice-guideline/covid-19-guideline-treatment-and-management/?fbclid=IwAR2jHqDTHyVS0_ZnINM5v_bNFyIt4Dc0-qL4fydnlaYgifqbMyz_sMqvFK0

Its essentially an exhaustive summary of all treatment studies for COVID-19 and the recommendations based off of them. I'm sure you've got a reason to distrust it, but its from the Infectious Disease Society of America. I know its not as convenient, glamorous, or easy as watching a video of a random doctor who drove to DC and gave a fantastic speech. Its going to be really boring, but try and stick with it.

Here's a 2013 Conspiracy Theory episode describing down to a science what we're going through now with one exception: Trump was elected and he believes in freedom ... not FEMA camps. I'd forgotten that I watched that show regularly, including this episode. Was surprised to find it easily on internet and rewatched it cause I couldn't remember the details of it. He did an earlier one on 9/11 a year or 2 before and I quite honestly was surprised he lived long past that one.

However, Jessie shut the show down immediately after this episode cause someone let him know he better ... or else. Jessie was quite shaken by that when interviewed about why the show shut down about a year or so later. And he was a Navy Seal. Jessie's and his team's investigation will probably be too complex for your simple mind. Notice it's not on Youtube cause ... you know ... free speech and whatnot.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4j660e

So ... I'm reading and watching a lot and going down a few rabbit holes but I ain't wasting time on Covid nonsense. I know why it's here and I know that Gates & Fauci have already made themselves immune to it in some manner.

[Matt3467]

Ok, lets try to unpack all of this...

"Yes, context. Someones personal beliefs outside of medicine doesn't matter as long as it stays outside of it. You bringing up her religious beliefs to slander her is a prime example of straying out of the context of medicine."

I didn't make her religious beliefs paramount to her credibility; she did. Her Twitter bio reads, and I quote, "Physician, Author, Speaker, Entrepreneur, Deliverance Minister, God's battle axe and weapon of war." And it doesn't take long scrolling down through her twitter feed to see some rather controversial statements regarding medicine, it's application, science, and the lot. So, it's clear she's not separating her life as a doctor and her life as a prosperity-gospel/entrepreneur/sayer of crazy things regarding demons, aliens, and Fauci urine tests, thus, the public shouldn't either when vetting her expertise.

"She says she's personally treated 350 Covid patients across all spectrums and all have recovered with HCQ tx. Is it misinformation if she's used HCQ in her practice and it's worked? What can you say to that except say that she's lying?"

I definitely find her statements curious, as they seem to stand in contrast to the vast majority of scientific/medical consensus...so...as I said, I'm curious. Anyone can say anything, after all...and they often do, especially in front of video cameras. So, without taking her word for it, I would like to see the data, her methods, etc. I do find it odd that her supposed employer (http://www.rehobothmedicalcenter.com/), doesn't have a functional website. They do have a facebook page, however (https://www.facebook.com/Rehoboth-Medical-Center-100321995001608/), though it doesn't leave me brimming with trust.

"Btw she wasn't the only doctor up there saying the same things yet it's the black one that didn't meet your standards. Why not run background checks on the others while you're at it?"

This would be fair, if not for the fact I was responding directly to another poster who was referencing her directly. So that's that.

"okay.....unless she's practicing this what purpose did you have bringing that up?"

Because she is presenting herself as an authority on medicine, and more specifically, the treatment of COVID. She's not just saying HCQ works; she's saying it's the ****ing CURE, so no need to wear a mask....which is outlandish, non scientific, and potentially damaging to public health, yet none of that is surprising when taken in with other statements of hers (e.g., demon semen, alien DNA, etc.). And btw, if she was just some rube on the street saying this stuff, it wouldn't that big a deal, but since she's now being amplified by the ruler of the free world and several of his minions, those words have power, and thus require scrutiny.

"I'm glad you asked because I won't have to look far. You slandered me on page 41 of the COVID thread when I mentioned working in healthcare and not being ignorant (concerning COVID) by responding, "Look...no one said emptying out bed pans wasn't a noble profession...thank you for your bravery**." You called that a joke but I'm not an idiot as it was a sly remark to attempt to discredit any opinion I had on the matter."

It absolutely was a joke. A callus one, perhaps? Sure, but still a joke. I see you've been a member of ED since 2014, so I might've wrongly assumed you understood people sometimes joke hard here, and usually people take what they dish (myself included). However, if you noticed on page 40, I ask you directly to clarify this statement:
"And the difference in public response between the coronavirus and the flu is the msm over sensationalizing it causing people to panic. Ridiculous we can't go to a store now without waiting hours in line only to find out all the toilet paper just sold out and most of the meat, bread, and bottled water are gone as well. This is crazy and it's all because of our media."

...in which you were still equating COVID to the damn flu...to which you never responded. So yeah, I zinged you with a joke. If you do, in fact, empty out bedpans, I sincerely apologize for degrading what you do (see?...another joke; laugh a little). Granted, this was back in March, but there were a few of y'all still clamoring to die on that hill. Thanks for directing my attention back to the 40 page mark of this thread; it's quite interesting to see how things have changed, while some things haven't. Fascinating.

Now, I asked you to provide an example of where I have "rooted-out/discredited/slandered". I will contend that joke, if taken seriously, could be considered callus, even hateful; if one is devoid of humor, I suppose. However, to be clear, in that moment, you were an anonymous message board poster equating the severity and contagion of COVID to the common flu, something that even in March was soundly discredited. Our credentials aren't posted under our avatars, after all. Also, I sure hope you can see the difference between me zinging you with a joke on a message board me directing criticism to a person who is being platformed by POTUS and a number of his surrogates. Apples to bowling balls.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on whats contextual here. If she's a physician and her work is helping people then I don't care what her philosophical or religious beliefs are. As someone that works around dozens of doctors there are a few that have what some may consider "quack" views but that doesn't detract that several of them are excellent at what they do.

I get that if you said you believed what she said then you'd have to concede that HCQ is an effective method of treatment so it's not surprising that your approach is to be "curious" of her integrity and skeptical of her employer. On another note if what she says is true and all 350 of her Covid patients improved with HCQ treatment then would it be wrong of her to say that it's a "cure?" Here's an interesting poll taken several month back with thousands of physicians across the world backing HCQ as the most effective treatment: https://www.sermo.com/press-releases/largest-statistically-significant-study-by-6200-multi-country-physicians-on-covid-19-uncovers-treatment-patterns-and-puts-pandemic-in-context/

Now when you talk about trust and bring up my contrast to the medias portrayal of COVID vs the Flu can you see how I could believe that way? How can anyone here believe the numbers that are posted by the "authorities" when time and time again instances have come up that have shown the numbers cannot be trusted. The entire legitimacy of the numbers are in question. When the CDC came out with the guidelines that it was okay to put cause of death as COVID on someones death certificate even without a positive test as long as it was assumed they had it how can one not see the dishonesty in that? Do you not remember the projected death totals when I made that post? I do and it was in the millions and that was forecasted by your experts. That caused people to panic and I don't blame them. People are being told to wear face coverings when they go out and unless they're wearing N95s they aren't safe from any airborne infections: https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/covid-19/covid-19-faq.html?fbclid=IwAR1qIGTLGO-qiBB4QR0QkW2O3GJEzw2HemVCRPEL7hni1DN6a3Zc6m4yPIs#c loth-face-coverings
How can you trust the people that are enforcing these mandates when they can't abide by the mandates themselves? Here recently the D.C. mayors executive order for all citizens to wear masks exempted the government employees. Does that make you curious? Here's the order: https://coronavirus.dc.gov/maskorder

As far as the "joke" is concerned you're right I didn't find it funny. This site is a MSU sports fan site and somehow a Covid thread is being allowed to run 240+ pages filled with hyper politics. According to the ones that make decisions around here threads like this don't belong and in the thread title is "keep politics out please." A joke in the confines of sports is great but when things degrade to making personal jokes because of your disdain for ones beliefs regarding Covid it's no longer a "zinger." I've been here since 2014 and have visited ED daily for sporting news regarding our team and have loved it but this thread is toxic to this community. It's impossible to have a peaceful thread on a forum when politics are involved.

[confucius say]

They don't post hospitalization data, which is what my post was about

Got ya.

Speaking of worldometers and state data, 7 day case average is now falling! I suck at pics, but if you look at the line it is now moving down after being flat for almost 2 weeks. Great news!

[Liverpooldawg]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on whats contextual here. If she's a physician and her work is helping people then I don't care what her philosophical or religious beliefs are. As someone that works around dozens of doctors there are a few that have what some may consider "quack" views but that doesn't detract that several of them are excellent at what they do.

I get that if you said you believed what she said then you'd have to concede that HCQ is an effective method of treatment so it's not surprising that your approach is to be "curious" of her integrity and skeptical of her employer. On another note if what she says is true and all 350 of her Covid patients improved with HCQ treatment then would it be wrong of her to say that it's a "cure?" Here's an interesting poll taken several month back with thousands of physicians across the world backing HCQ as the most effective treatment: https://www.sermo.com/press-releases/largest-statistically-significant-study-by-6200-multi-country-physicians-on-covid-19-uncovers-treatment-patterns-and-puts-pandemic-in-context/

Now when you talk about trust and bring up my contrast to the medias portrayal of COVID vs the Flu can you see how I could believe that way? How can anyone here believe the numbers that are posted by the "authorities" when time and time again instances have come up that have shown the numbers cannot be trusted. The entire legitimacy of the numbers are in question. When the CDC came out with the guidelines that it was okay to put cause of death as COVID on someones death certificate even without a positive test as long as it was assumed they had it how can one not see the dishonesty in that? Do you not remember the projected death totals when I made that post? I do and it was in the millions and that was forecasted by your experts. That caused people to panic and I don't blame them. People are being told to wear face coverings when they go out and unless they're wearing N95s they aren't safe from any airborne infections: https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/covid-19/covid-19-faq.html?fbclid=IwAR1qIGTLGO-qiBB4QR0QkW2O3GJEzw2HemVCRPEL7hni1DN6a3Zc6m4yPIs#c loth-face-coverings
How can you trust the people that are enforcing these mandates when they can't abide by the mandates themselves? Here recently the D.C. mayors executive order for all citizens to wear masks exempted the government employees. Does that make you curious? Here's the order: https://coronavirus.dc.gov/maskorder

As far as the "joke" is concerned you're right I didn't find it funny. This site is a MSU sports fan site and somehow a Covid thread is being allowed to run 240+ pages filled with hyper politics. According to the ones that make decisions around here threads like this don't belong and in the thread title is "keep politics out please." A joke in the confines of sports is great but when things degrade to making personal jokes because of your disdain for ones beliefs regarding Covid it's no longer a "zinger." I've been here since 2014 and have visited ED daily for sporting news regarding our team and have loved it but this thread is toxic to this community. It's impossible to have a peaceful thread on a forum when politics are involved.

Even physicians get sucked into BS stuff sometimes. What she cited about what she had done is anecdotal evidence, it is not a scientific statement or study. It's the kind of thing that triggers real scientific studies. Those have been done on this finally. Randomized double blind studies, the gold standard, have shown no benefit. One has even showed that it increases mortality in COVID patients. That actually makes sense because if there is no medical benefit with COVID from it, and you are giving it to sick patients, the side effects that we ABSOLUTELY know about are going to kill a few.

[Dolphus Raymond]

1505 new cases today. We need to do something different. What should we do differently? I have no idea, but what we are doing now is obviously not working.

[confucius say]

1505 new cases today. We need to do something different. What should we do differently? I have no idea, but what we are doing now is obviously not working.

We are about a month or little less away from herd immunity starting to set in, at which point things will get better. Just have to wait it out.

[Dawg2003]

1505 new cases today. We need to do something different. What should we do differently? I have no idea, but what we are doing now is obviously not working.

There are many other countries that have modeled what to do, but our leaders simply don't care and are asleep at the wheel. They're basically allowing our economy to be wrecked and people to get sick and possibly die. But they're all getting rich off being politicians, so why do they care? It's every man for himself.

[Dolphus Raymond]

?It?s every man for himself.? Sir, sadly, you are correct.

[msstate7]

There are many other countries that have modeled what to do, but our leaders simply don't care and are asleep at the wheel. They're basically allowing our economy to be wrecked and people to get sick and possibly die. But they're all getting rich off being politicians, so why do they care? It's every man for himself.

You're now president. How do you stop this?

[Dolphus Raymond]

Msstate7, I am afraid we have crossed the Rubicon and only Draconian measures will alter the trajectory in the near to mid term. Mississippi, as well as other states, is in an extremely precarious situation. I pray I am wrong.

[Dawgology]

There are many other countries that have modeled what to do, but our leaders simply don't care and are asleep at the wheel. They're basically allowing our economy to be wrecked and people to get sick and possibly die. But they're all getting rich off being politicians, so why do they care? It's every man for himself.

The economy isn't getting wrecked. In June non-farm payrolls grew by 4.8 million, unemployment fell to a "crisis" low 11.1%, and temp-layoff numbers fell 4.8 million. Largest single month gain in the HISTORY of America. I have a suspicion that July will probably double those numbers.

It's scary out there but America is saying "**** it" and getting back to work. It may be foolhardy and lead to more deaths but that is what's happening.

[Dawgology]

Msstate7, I am afraid we have crossed the Rubicon and only Draconian measures will alter the trajectory in the near to mid term. Mississippi, as well as other states, is in an extremely precarious situation. I pray I am wrong.

Or...we can cinch up the old nutsack, wear a mask, wash your hands, and get back to work.

[SheltonChoked]

We are about a month or little less away from herd immunity starting to set in, at which point things will get better. Just have to wait it out.

I need the math on that...

If we assume the high end numbers of asymtomatic untested people that have had Covid at 10x the positives, that's ~43 million people.

If we assume the lowest end of people needed for Herd Immunity of 40%.

There are ~330 million people in the US.

We need ~132 million infected.

That's 3x the number of people infected now.....

That's 3 million new cases a day....

And those are the best case numbers....

If it's 2x infected per positive cases and 80% for Herd Immunity, we'd need 30 times the number infected right now....

[Dolphus Raymond]

Cinch up the rucksack, put one foot in front of the other and drive on.
At this point, such an approach may be our only realistic option. Like they say, it?s too late to close the gate because the dogs already out of the pen.

[Joebob]

The economy isn't getting wrecked. In June non-farm payrolls grew by 4.8 million, unemployment fell to a "crisis" low 11.1%, and temp-layoff numbers fell 4.8 million. Largest single month gain in the HISTORY of America. I have a suspicion that July will probably double those numbers.

It's scary out there but America is saying "**** it" and getting back to work. It may be foolhardy and lead to more deaths but that is what's happening.

Actually, the economy is getting wrecked. Recent data is indicating the recovery is stalling, and I imagine the Fed will say as much tomorrow. And if the Fed is admitting it, that mean's it's even worse. Hopefully with the recent downturn in Covid infections in the hot zone states, the recovery can pick back up, but until people start flying and traveling again, it's going to be a long tough slog. And we still haven't seen the worst from the banks and commercial real estate fallout.

[msstate7]

I need the math on that...

If we assume the high end numbers of asymtomatic untested people that have had Covid at 10x the positives, that's ~43 million people.

If we assume the lowest end of people needed for Herd Immunity of 40%.

There are ~330 million people in the US.

We need ~132 million infected.

That's 3x the number of people infected now.....

That's 3 million new cases a day....

And those are the best case numbers....

If it's 2x infected per positive cases and 80% for Herd Immunity, we'd need 30 times the number infected right now....

This guy says maybe at 20%

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/614035/

[Cooterpoot]

Anyone thinking herd immunity is a possibility in the near future is simply wrong. Herd immunity is being used as an excuse for our inability to handle this shit.

[confucius say]

I need the math on that...

If we assume the high end numbers of asymtomatic untested people that have had Covid at 10x the positives, that's ~43 million people.

If we assume the lowest end of people needed for Herd Immunity of 40%.

There are ~330 million people in the US.

We need ~132 million infected.

That's 3x the number of people infected now.....

That's 3 million new cases a day....

And those are the best case numbers....

If it's 2x infected per positive cases and 80% for Herd Immunity, we'd need 30 times the number infected right now....

I meant MS alone, but the same can apply to America.
The cdc last week said best estimate of actual case count is somewhere between 6 and 24 times the confirmed test count. But I'm fine with going with the x10 factor. MS is at 56k, x10 puts that at 560k.

The below article cites studies that saw herd immunity for covid setting in at 20%. That is the case in places like NY and NJ that reached 20%. Florida's daily case count has been falling since July 17, and it just yesterday got to 20% using the x10 factor. I suspect its case average will keep falling. Alabama 7 day case count has been falling for 11 days and it is approaching 20% in the next few weeks.

Even at 25%, or 750k, we should be there in less than a month using the x10 factor (meaning 75k confirmed cases). We'll see.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/614035/

[Prediction? Pain.]

This guy says maybe at 20%

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/614035/

Interesting read. Thanks for the link.

But my takeaway is that nobody knows and that the popular notion of "natural herd immunity" seems to be missing the mark. A couple of the people quoted in that article who give numeric "herd immunity" estimates are mathematicians. One of those mathematicians (who studies chaos theory in Scotland) thinks it could be as low as 20%, but even then she admits that her calculations seem optimistic. Another mathematician, this time from Stockholm, thinks 20% is unlikely but that ~40% could be possible. The article next says that an epidemiologist at Harvard says that he thinks the range is anywhere from 20% to 60%, but that the lower end of that is more unlikely than the higher end. And finally, the article quotes a couple of other people -- biologists who study epidemiology and infectious disease modelling -- who cast doubt on the current lip service being played to "natural herd immunity" in popular discourse:


What's important to [one scientist], rather, is that people are not misled by the idea of herd immunity. In the context of vaccination, herd-immunity thresholds are relatively fixed and predictable. In the context of an ongoing pandemic, thinking of this threshold as some static concept can be dangerously misleading.

"During the last few months, we've started talking about 'natural herd immunity' and what would be used to block future waves," says Shweta Bansal, an associate professor [of biology] at Georgetown University who studies how social interactions influence infectious diseases. She worries that many people conflate academic projections about reaching herd immunity with a "let it run wild" fatalism. "My view is that trying to take that route would lead to mass death and devastation," she says.

Indeed, letting a new, rapidly spreading virus run unchecked in a population with zero immunity could mean that nearly everyone in a given location gets infected. With vaccination, the herd-immunity threshold is vital to guiding policy and medical practice: If about 90 percent of people are vaccinated against measles, for example, then, accounting for waning antibodies and variable immune responses, it's safe to assume that 60 or 70 percent are protected and the population isn't at risk of an outbreak. But that concept doesn't clearly apply when a highly contagious virus hits a population with zero immunity. Left totally unchecked, Bansal says, the percentage of infected people could go even higher than 70 percent.

By definition, dynamic systems don't deal in static numbers. Any such herd-immunity threshold is context-dependent and constantly shifting. It will change over time and space. It varies depending on the basic reproduction number -- the average number of new infections caused by an infected individual. During the early stage of an outbreak of a new virus (to which no one has immunity), that number will be higher. The number is skewed by super-spreading events, such as when one person in a choir infects 50 others. And the number in a dense city such as New York should be expected to be higher than that in rural Alaska. "Within certain populations that lack heterogeneity, like within a nursing home or school, you may even see the herd-immunity threshold be above 70 percent," Bansal says. If a population average led people in those settings to get complacent, there could be needless death.

[confucius say]

Interesting read. Thanks for the link. But my takeaway is that nobody knows. A couple of the people quoted in that article who give numeric "herd immunity" estimates are mathematicians. One of those mathematicians (who studies chaos theory in Scotland) thinks it could be as low as 20%, but even then she admits that her calculations seem optimistic. Another mathematician, this time from Stockholm, thinks 20% is unlikely but that ~40% could be possible. The article next says that an epidemiologist at Harvard says that he thinks the range is anywhere from 20% to 60%, but that the lower end of that is more unlikely than the higher end. And finally, the article quotes a couple of other people -- biologists who study epidemiology and infectious disease modelling -- who cast doubt on the current lip service being played to "natural herd immunity" in popular discourse:

"We just keep running the models, and it keeps coming back at less than 20%. It's very striking."
Hopefully she is right.

[Prediction? Pain.]

"We just keep running the models, and it keeps coming back at less than 20%. It's very striking."
Hopefully she is right.

I hope she's right, too. Her calculations are the most optimistic ones among those that they interviewed in the article, though. The other mathematician and the epidemiologist thought otherwise. And I'd be interested to know her take on the two other scientists who cast doubt upon the concept of conflating vaccine-based herd immunity theory with projections during a pandemic where most people don't start out as immune.

But again, yeah, I'm all for kicking this crap sooner than later.

Random aside since the optimistic lady was Scottish: It was National Scotch Day on Monday. I celebrated with some Compass Box. Solid holiday.

[Dawgology]

Cinch up the rucksack, put one foot in front of the other and drive on.
At this point, such an approach may be our only realistic option. Like they say, it?s too late to close the gate because the dogs already out of the pen.

Ha! I just realized autocorrect changed rucksack to nutsack on my post. Jeezus...what’s wrong with me.. lmao!

[Dawg2003]

You got video of her saying those things. Or you listening to the Ministry of Truth from 1984 (CNN, MSNBC, etc.)?

If you got video, then I'll stand corrected. Sure ain't gonna listen to Mr. ex-CIA Anderson Cooper.

ETA: And there are at least as many or more official studies now that I would trust more that says it does work if prescribed early.

The videos are on her Facebook page, and she doubled down on it in a Tweet today.

[BeardoMSU]

The videos are on her Facebook page, and she doubled down on it in a Tweet today.

And this is the person being platformed by POTUS and his minions, and defended here. Tarantino couldn't write a script this good. It's like we're literally living in Idiocracy.

https://i.ibb.co/GCBgFM3/si-1.png

https://i.ibb.co/QHZWrPX/si-2.png

[SteelCurtain74]

And this is the person being platformed by POTUS and his minions, and defended here. Tarantino couldn't write a script this good. It's like we're literally living in Idiocracy.

https://i.ibb.co/GCBgFM3/si-1.png

https://i.ibb.co/QHZWrPX/si-2.png

Is it just me or does she resemble Esther Rolle from Good Times? Speaking of Incubus, are they still touring?

[Cowbell]

1505 new cases today. We need to do something different. What should we do differently? I have no idea, but what we are doing now is obviously not working.

It's rather simple. Quit requiring mandatory testing for everything.

[Dolphus Raymond]

I guess if we quit testing it will just disappear, like magic?

[RocketDawg]

Locally (Madison County, Alabama) has seen a sharp, 65% or so, decrease in Covid cases after three weeks of mandatory masking. Masks work.

[RocketDawg]

I guess if we quit testing it will just disappear, like magic?

Yeah, that would do the trick.

[RocketDawg]

And this is the person being platformed by POTUS and his minions, and defended here. Tarantino couldn't write a script this good. It's like we're literally living in Idiocracy.

Yeah, this one is beyond belief. I can perhaps see him supporting her at first (but should vet everybody) but not defend her after her qualifications came out.

[starkvegasdawg]

Ohio has just banned use of hydroxychloroquine for corona.

[Dawg2003]

And this is the person being platformed by POTUS and his minions, and defended here. Tarantino couldn't write a script this good. It's like we're literally living in Idiocracy.

https://i.ibb.co/GCBgFM3/si-1.png

https://i.ibb.co/QHZWrPX/si-2.png

We have a toddler who is a fool for a president. We're a laughingstock in the world and banned from entry into Canada and Europe. It takes extreme cognitive dissonance to continue to support this fiasco.

[BeardoMSU]

Yeah, this one is beyond belief. I can perhaps see him supporting her at first (but should vet everybody) but not defend her after her qualifications came out.

Exactly. And that's the case for anyone.

[DLGDawg]

Is it just me or does she resemble Esther Rolle from Good Times? Speaking of Incubus, are they still touring?

Absolutely. Lol

[hacker]

1505 new cases today. We need to do something different. What should we do differently? I have no idea, but what we are doing now is obviously not working.

Not to mention, we have the highest test positive % in the country right now. In other words, we're missing more cases than any other state.

But I noticed something today while on a road trip with my daughter. Almost everybody I saw in Washington County was wearing masks. As soon as I crossed the river into Arkansas, nobody was wearing them. Arkansas even has a statewide mandate.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Dawg2003, I concur.

[msstate7]

Not to mention, we have the highest test positive % in the country right now. In other words, we're missing more cases than any other state.

But I noticed something today while on a road trip with my daughter. Almost everybody I saw in Washington County was wearing masks. As soon as I crossed the river into Arkansas, nobody was wearing them. Arkansas even has a statewide mandate.

Not sure what the testing requirements are every where in the state, but I know the Choctaw Indians had a radio ad saying you have to referred to get tested. Is it still a requirement for most that you show symptoms to be tested?

[confucius say]

Not sure what the testing requirements are every where in the state, but I know the Choctaw Indians had a radio ad saying you have to referred to get tested. Is it still a requirement for most that you show symptoms to be tested?

Not in Madison. Anybody who wants a test can get one. Had a coworker get tested today and got results back tonight.

[msstate7]

CDC Director Says There are More Suicides and Overdoses than COVID Deaths

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/micaelaburrow/2020/07/28/redfield-says-more-abovebase-suicides-than-covid-deaths-n2573278

[confucius say]

7 day case average falls again after today. Good progress.

[Prediction? Pain.]

CDC Director Says There are More Suicides and Overdoses than COVID Deaths

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/micaelaburrow/2020/07/28/redfield-says-more-abovebase-suicides-than-covid-deaths-n2573278

He seems to be talking about the current suicide and overdose rate among high-school-age kids compared to the COVID mortality rate among that same age group, right? The article's not super clear, but that's what I gather. It opens with the statement that the CDC director contends that "suicides and drug overdoses have surpassed the death rate for COVID-19 among high school students," which seems simple enough. But then later on, after noting that there aren't current stats available for this stuff, it gives anecdotal evidence from a few random cities. But then it also notes that combined suicides and overdoses for all age groups for the entire country in 2018 or 2019 totaled roughly 120,000, which is obviously less than five months worth of COVID fatalities.

So yeah, not sure what's what with that piece. General point about the need to address psychological issues resulting from quarantining, distancing, and the like seems fair enough, though.

[msstate7]

He seems to be talking about the current suicide and overdose rate among high-school-age kids compared to the COVID mortality rate among that same age group, right? The article's not super clear, but that's what I gather. It opens with the statement that the CDC director contends that "suicides and drug overdoses have surpassed the death rate for COVID-19 among high school students," which seems simple enough. But then later on, after noting that there aren't current stats available for this stuff, it gives anecdotal evidence from a few random cities. But then it also notes that combined suicides and overdoses for all age groups for the entire country in 2018 or 2019 totaled roughly 120,000, which is obviously less than five months worth of COVID fatalities.

So yeah, not sure what's what with that piece. General point about the need to address psychological issues resulting from quarantining, distancing, and the like seems fair enough, though.

This was a direct quote though, and I think it's one of the reasons the CDC wants kids in school...

"But there has been another cost that we?ve seen, particularly in high schools," Redfield said. "We?re seeing, sadly, far greater suicides now than we are deaths from COVID. We?re seeing far greater deaths from drug overdose that are above excess that we had as background than we are seeing the deaths from COVID. So this is why I keep coming back for the overall social being of individuals, is let?s all work together and find out how we can find common ground to get these schools open in a way that people are comfortable and their safe."

[hacker]

If we're worried about kids' mental health, I don't think sending kids back to in-person school in this climate is going to help. They're gonna be constantly worried about getting sick or bringing it home to their family. They're gonna see teachers get sick and possibly die. They're gonna see classmates get sick and possibly die. They'll constantly wonder when it's going to happen to them.

It's like Redfield's teetering on the edge of understanding that, but not quite there. Or maybe he does understand but since he's Trump's boy he's just gonna keep filling the airwaves with bullshit for who knows what reason.

'Science should not stand in the way' of schools reopening, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany says.

Infuriating.

[Sienfield]

If we're worried about kids' mental health, I don't think sending kids back to in-person school in this climate is going to help. They're gonna be constantly worried about getting sick or bringing it home to their family. They're gonna see teachers get sick and possibly die. They're gonna see classmates get sick and possibly die. They'll constantly wonder when it's going to happen to them.

That's your thinking not what they are thinking. Children are not getting sick from this. They may get it but are not getting sick, and especially not dying from it. They are not worrying about transferring it unless you scare them with your agenda.

[hacker]

That's your thinking not what they are thinking. Children are not getting sick from this. They may get it but are not getting sick, and especially not dying from it. They are not worrying about transferring it unless you scare them with your agenda.

They are getting sick, they are being hospitalized, and they are dying. The probability is very low, but it's happening. It's been happening without them being in school. Now imagine a bunch of kids in a classroom all day. That's only going to make it worse.

https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/local/2020/07/29/covid-19-kills-child-greenville-county-sc-health-officials-say/5535813002/
https://www.nwahomepage.com/knwa/first-oklahoma-child-dies-from-covid-19-complications/
https://local12.com/news/nation-world/1-year-old-girl-dies-from-covid-19-a-day-after-being-checked-into-hospital
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-11-year-old-death-broward-20200709-da5iihsglbdi3ptffcowzcui34-story.html
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article243591547.html

Do you have a child? Do you look forward to sending him or her into a situation that even has a remote possibility of ending up with your kid hospitalized or dead? I sure don't.

[confucius say]

Do you have a child? Do you look forward to sending him or her into a situation that even has a remote possibility of ending up with your kid hospitalized or dead? I sure don't.

So you don't send your kids to school during flu season? Let them ride in cars? Let them swim? All have the same remote possibility, even higher actually.

[Cooterpoot]

So, of the 1500 or so cases yesterday, over 500 of them were prison inmates and LTC patients.

[hacker]

So you don't send your kids to school during flu season? Let them ride in cars? Let them swim? All have the same remote possibility, even higher actually.

That's a good point, but to me, those things are different. I grew up with those risks. It's normalized. They're also well-researched and we know a lot about them. We have flu vaccines, tamiflu, seatbelts, airbags, safety jackets, etc.

Covid is additional risk that we don't know a lot about and we definitely don't have a vaccine or tamiflu equivalent yet.

Am I still going to send my daughter to school? Yes. Do I think it's dumb to have in-person classes this semester? Also, yes.

[Cooterpoot]

I've not seen a single district that didn't offer a virtual option.

[shoeless joe]

If we're worried about kids' mental health, I don't think sending kids back to in-person school in this climate is going to help. They're gonna be constantly worried about getting sick or bringing it home to their family. They're gonna see teachers get sick and possibly die. They're gonna see classmates get sick and possibly die. They'll constantly wonder when it's going to happen to them.

It's like Redfield's teetering on the edge of understanding that, but not quite there. Or maybe he does understand but since he's Trump's boy he's just gonna keep filling the airwaves with bullshit for who knows what reason.

'Science should not stand in the way' of schools reopening, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany says.

Infuriating.

Talk about misinformation...

[BeardoMSU]

Reported this morning that Herman Cain passed away from COVID.

[Dolphus Raymond]

I had read that Herman Cain had contracted COVD, but was under the impression he was recovering. Now we learn that COVID has claimed another life.

[Gutter Cobreh]

I had read that Herman Cain had contracted COVD, but was under the impression he was recovering. Now we learn that COVID has claimed another life.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he in attendance at Trump's Tulsa rally???

[Dolphus Raymond]

Yes.

[RocketCityDawg]

'Science should not stand in the way' of schools reopening, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany says.

Infuriating.

There goes any credibility that you might have ever had. Congratulations on having a TV package with CNN included. She said that science shouldn't stand in the way of schools reopening because the numbers support it

If you didn't know that, then you are severely uninformed. If you did know that, then you just flat out lied and misrepresented the truth.

Either way, congratulations.

[confucius say]

There goes any credibility that you might have ever had. Congratulations on having a TV package with CNN included. She said that science shouldn't stand in the way of schools reopening because the numbers support it

If you didn't know that, then you are severely uninformed. If you did know that, then you just flat out lied and misrepresented the truth.

Either way, congratulations.

She's also a dime

[RocketCityDawg]

Here's some reading material:

https://www.idsociety.org/practice-guideline/covid-19-guideline-treatment-and-management/?fbclid=IwAR2jHqDTHyVS0_ZnINM5v_bNFyIt4Dc0-qL4fydnlaYgifqbMyz_sMqvFK0

Its essentially an exhaustive summary of all treatment studies for COVID-19 and the recommendations based off of them. I'm sure you've got a reason to distrust it, but its from the Infectious Disease Society of America. I know its not as convenient, glamorous, or easy as watching a video of a random doctor who drove to DC and gave a fantastic speech. Its going to be really boring, but try and stick with it.

Unless I'm missing something, they (intentionally?) left out zinc from these studies. No doctor has touted HCQ/azithromycin without adding zinc.
This would be like studying the feasibility of eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich without using bread.

[Johnson85]

Unless I'm missing something, they (intentionally?) left out zinc from these studies. No doctor has touted HCQ/azithromycin without adding zinc.
This would be like studying the feasibility of eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich without using bread.

This is part of the challenge. If it works the way theorized, it will only be effective with zinc and will be much more effective the earlier it is given. Ideally, as soon as someone had symptoms, they'd get it. But it's hard to do a study that way.

And when put on top of the already significant challenge of determining efficacy when 99%+ of people will get better with or without it, it's really hard to do a study that is large enough, with the right type of potential test subjects, to show a significant effect.

[RocketCityDawg]

This is part of the challenge. If it works the way theorized, it will only be effective with zinc and will be much more effective the earlier it is given. Ideally, as soon as someone had symptoms, they'd get it. But it's hard to do a study that way.

And when put on top of the already significant challenge of determining efficacy when 99%+ of people will get better with or without it, it's really hard to do a study that is large enough, with the right type of potential test subjects, to show a significant effect.

Yes, but it's pretty easy to discredit it when you leave out one of the ingredients and only test on people who are knocking on death's door.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Today we had 1775 new cases and 25 deaths in Mississippi. We are on the verge of crashing our hospitals. It is past time for all of us to start pulling in the same direction or we will face dire consequences.

[Gutter Cobreh]

There goes any credibility that you might have ever had. Congratulations on having a TV package with CNN included. She said that science shouldn't stand in the way of schools reopening because the numbers support it

If you didn't know that, then you are severely uninformed. If you did know that, then you just flat out lied and misrepresented the truth.

Either way, congratulations.

Are you implying that Hacker is misrepresenting the truth regarding the Press Secretary's misrepresentation of the truth???

Don't two negatives equal a positive?

Also, if you believe anything that comes out of her mouth - you're insane....

[ScoobaDawg]

Fauci ... the "independent" scientist. Need to listen to him.
.../[/url]


Look you got your ass handed to on posting that stupid video aleady that had no truth to it all.. now you want to go off topic and smear fauci with more fake crap.
you are either an idiot or trolling. either way... might want to step away from this topic.

[Gutter Cobreh]

7 day case average falls again after today. Good progress.


So, of the 1500 or so cases yesterday, over 500 of them were prison inmates and LTC patients.


Today we had 1775 new cases and 25 deaths in Mississippi. We are on the verge of crashing our hospitals. It is past time for all of us to start pulling in the same direction or we will face dire consequences.

These three posts, which were posted in a 12 hour span, do not match...

Which one is correct?

[Dolphus Raymond]

Last two. Yesterday we had 1450 or about cases and today we had 1775, which breaks the previous record.
ETA I can?t confirm the 500 cases in prisons and LTC?s.

[hacker]

There goes any credibility that you might have ever had. Congratulations on having a TV package with CNN included. She said that science shouldn't stand in the way of schools reopening because the numbers support it

If you didn't know that, then you are severely uninformed. If you did know that, then you just flat out lied and misrepresented the truth.

Either way, congratulations.

Literally copied and pasted that part from a USA Today (center media outlet by all accounts) headline. Lol

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/16/mcenany-science-should-not-stand-way-schools-reopening/5454168002/

[RocketCityDawg]

Literally copied and pasted that part from a USA Today (center media outlet by all accounts) headline. Lol

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/16/mcenany-science-should-not-stand-way-schools-reopening/5454168002/

So, you're claiming ignorance? You're claiming that you had no idea that was taken out of context?

[Gutter Cobreh]

Literally copied and pasted that part from a USA Today (center media outlet by all accounts) headline. Lol

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/16/mcenany-science-should-not-stand-way-schools-reopening/5454168002/

There is also a video in the article for those whose reading comprehension isn't very high. Her statement comes at the 0:30 mark of the 1:17 minute video.

[RocketCityDawg]

Are you implying that Hacker is misrepresenting the truth regarding the Press Secretary's misrepresentation of the truth???

Don't two negatives equal a positive?

Also, if you believe anything that comes out of her mouth - you're insane....

How was she misrepresenting the truth?

[RocketCityDawg]

There is also a video in the article for those whose reading comprehension isn't very high. Her statement comes at the 0:30 mark of the 1:17 minute video.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/mcenany-remarks-on-school-reopening-taken-out-of-context-portrayed-as-anti-science-by-prominent-journalists-outlets/

[Gutter Cobreh]

How was she misrepresenting the truth?

She said Paw Patrol was cancelled, when it in fact was NOT cancelled!!!!***

This is a thread about COVID, so I'm going to refrain from going down this rabbit hole. If you believe everything she says - good for you.

[dantheman4248]

https://twitter.com/thehermancain/status/1288521930782330883?s=21

Take this shit seriously... smh.

With his last dying breathes making sure his team tweets out that we need to be skeptical of rona.

[hacker]

So, you're claiming ignorance? You're claiming that you had no idea that was taken out of context?

Yep, I guess I am. I watched a video of it the other day and it cut off before the "science is on our side" part.

I think it's funny you immediately tried to make it personal and about "credibility." I'm just a dude posting on this website. I've never claimed anything else. You expect me to know everything?

[RocketCityDawg]

https://twitter.com/thehermancain/status/1288521930782330883?s=21

Take this shit seriously... smh.

With his last dying breathes making sure his team tweets out that we need to be skeptical of rona.

That's not what he said at all. He said that people will not want to take the first batch of this rushed to market vaccine because they don't trust the media or the government officials.

Do you want to be first in line to take this vaccine?

[RocketCityDawg]

Yep, I guess I am. I watched a video of it the other day and it cut off before the "science is on our side" part.

I think it's funny you immediately tried to make it personal and about "credibility." I'm just a dude posting on this website. I've never claimed anything else. You expect me to know everything?

If you're quoting somebody, yes, I would expect you to know the context of the quote.
My bad on the credibility thing. I apologize for that.

[msstate7]

I won't get the vaccine as soon as it rolls on the market. If I were high risk, I would though.

[Johnson85]

Yep, I guess I am. I watched a video of it the other day and it cut off before the "science is on our side" part.

I think it's funny you immediately tried to make it personal and about "credibility." I'm just a dude posting on this website. I've never claimed anything else. You expect me to know everything?

You don't have to know everything, but if you see a major media news outlet blast out something that appears to be a ridiculous quote from anybody on the mainstream right other than trump, you should probably know enough to assume it's more likely than not that they're being misleading.

With Trump trying to guess is like trying to guess what monkeys throwing feces at a typewriter will produce. I guess you can sort of safely bet that he said something ridiculous and CNN still CNN'd it up by trying to take something nonsensical and argue that he was basically quoting mein kampf

[Jack Lambert]

I won't get the vaccine as soon as it rolls on the market. If I were high risk, I would though.

Hell I will take. Hell I would be part of the testing.

[Johnson85]

She said Paw Patrol was cancelled, when it in fact was NOT cancelled!!!!***

This is a thread about COVID, so I'm going to refrain from going down this rabbit hole. If you believe everything she says - good for you.

You are full of shit. I guarantee whatever she said in person, you would deem her pretty enough to be credible and would accept anything she told you, which is how credibility works in the real world, as god intended. It's just the internet and tv that is screwing everything up.

[confucius say]

These three posts, which were posted in a 12 hour span, do not match...

Which one is correct?

Mine is a fact. National 7 day case average continues to fall. Lowest it's been since July 15. Can't speak to the other two.

[confucius say]

Last two. Yesterday we had 1450 or about cases and today we had 1775, which breaks the previous record.
ETA I can?t confirm the 500 cases in prisons and LTC?s.

National 7 day case average. Not MS.
Although MS 7 day case avg has gone down every day since July 26. Go to worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/mississippi/ and click on 7 day moving average.

[Johnson85]

Today we had 1775 new cases and 25 deaths in Mississippi. We are on the verge of crashing our hospitals. It is past time for all of us to start pulling in the same direction or we will face dire consequences.

Who do you think is not pulling in the same direction?

I still know relatively few people that have gotten it. The only thing I'm aware of that you could really question is youth sports and summer camps, but I so far haven't heard of anybody that has reason to think they got it at sports or summer camp. Other than that, I see people largely wearing masks. I'm not going to bars, so maybe people are out at bars without masks, but I also don't hear about any outbreak associated with a bar (granted I don't know a lot of people that are generally bar flies and I'm not sure how likely it would be that an outbreak would get tracked back to a bar).

[msstate7]

National 7 day case average. Not MS.
Although MS 7 day case avg has gone down every day since July 26. Go to worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/mississippi/ and click on 7 day moving average.

https://i.postimg.cc/7ZpLxThD/294-CACE9-3818-43-C9-81-A4-1242318-E0263.jpg (https://postimg.cc/fVfsCyYg)

https://i.postimg.cc/nLbH8bSh/FE84-B2-D3-AD21-47-BD-87-A4-05341-CDCF483.jpg (https://postimg.cc/TK08mSXz)

[Gutter Cobreh]

You are full of shit. I guarantee whatever she said in person, you would deem her pretty enough to be credible and would accept anything she told you, which is how credibility works in the real world, as god intended. It's just the internet and tv that is screwing everything up.

This is true! I forgot that I had to take every word, independent of what came before and after, to full understand the context. It's my fault.


National 7 day case average. Not MS.
Although MS 7 day case avg has gone down every day since July 26. Go to worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/mississippi/ and click on 7 day moving average.

Is this the site that has MS #3 in new deaths and #5 in new cases?

[Gutter Cobreh]

https://i.postimg.cc/7ZpLxThD/294-CACE9-3818-43-C9-81-A4-1242318-E0263.jpg (https://postimg.cc/fVfsCyYg)

https://i.postimg.cc/nLbH8bSh/FE84-B2-D3-AD21-47-BD-87-A4-05341-CDCF483.jpg (https://postimg.cc/TK08mSXz)

Here is another site for you to drill down into counties:

https://globalepidemics.org/key-metrics-for-covid-suppression/

[confucius say]

This is true! I forgot that I had to take every word, independent of what came before and after, to full understand the context. It's my fault.



Is this the site that has MS #3 in new deaths and #5 in new cases?

Not sure

[confucius say]

https://i.postimg.cc/7ZpLxThD/294-CACE9-3818-43-C9-81-A4-1242318-E0263.jpg (https://postimg.cc/fVfsCyYg)

https://i.postimg.cc/nLbH8bSh/FE84-B2-D3-AD21-47-BD-87-A4-05341-CDCF483.jpg (https://postimg.cc/TK08mSXz)

Thanks. Post the National too when you get time please

[Cooterpoot]

Huge LTC outbreaks and prison outbreaks going on in MS right now.

[chef dixon]

The Herman Cain case is a sobering case study example. RIP.

[msstate7]

Thanks. Post the National too when you get time please

https://i.postimg.cc/q7K203cH/14129-FF4-DFCE-4-A39-BEC7-6-C032736-DED9.jpg (https://postimg.cc/5HxXSjks)

https://i.postimg.cc/V6108HLX/839-F85-A8-FC0-A-4822-A380-E17-C6-E241-E2-B.jpg (https://postimg.cc/948QPb9f)

[Johnson85]

https://i.postimg.cc/7ZpLxThD/294-CACE9-3818-43-C9-81-A4-1242318-E0263.jpg (https://postimg.cc/fVfsCyYg)

https://i.postimg.cc/nLbH8bSh/FE84-B2-D3-AD21-47-BD-87-A4-05341-CDCF483.jpg (https://postimg.cc/TK08mSXz)


Am I wrong, or does that look significnalty different than what MSDH is posting?

ETA: I looked at the daily deaths and it doesn't look the same and not close enough that it could just be based on presentation/design of the graphs. I'm guessing this source isn't trying to tie deaths to actual date of death but is just posting the date deaths are reported, so their seven day average is going to be misleading the way we are going back and adding new covid deaths from birth certificates and reporting those.

[chef dixon]

Unless I'm missing something, they (intentionally?) left out zinc from these studies. No doctor has touted HCQ/azithromycin without adding zinc.
This would be like studying the feasibility of eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich without using bread.

I guess so. Maybe they are studying that now, but its not routine to throw zinc around as a treatment, especially in hospitalized patients. Its a common ingredient in some over the counter cold remedies so I suspect much more routinely given to milder outpatient cases (which is what those doctors in the video were probably treating more routinely). I'm not sure its some sort of miracle ingredient, maybe some studies will figure it out but its nothing more than a hypothesis at this point.

[Dolphus Raymond]

I will be more than willing to take the vaccine. Further, should I contract COVID, I will take HDC IF MY PHYSICIAN believes it is a viable course of treatment. However, I am not going to insist or imply to said physician that I believe it is the best option simply because the HDC cult is pushing it. The whole argument and conspiracy theory regarding HDC is insane.

[confucius say]

Am I wrong, or does that look significnalty different than what MSDH is posting?

ETA: I looked at the daily deaths and it doesn't look the same and not close enough that it could just be based on presentation/design of the graphs. I'm guessing this source isn't trying to tie deaths to actual date of death but is just posting the date deaths are reported, so their seven day average is going to be misleading the way we are going back and adding new covid deaths from birth certificates and reporting those.

Exactly. We added 23 additional deaths today from past death certificates and called them "new" deaths. They should be called additional deaths and attributed to the day the person died, not today. It distorts the current situation.

[msstate7]

Japan and Australia set records today in new cases. European countries seem to be trending back up.

[RocketCityDawg]

I guess so. Maybe they are studying that now, but its not routine to throw zinc around as a treatment, especially in hospitalized patients. Its a common ingredient in some over the counter cold remedies so I suspect much more routinely given to milder outpatient cases (which is what those doctors in the video were probably treating more routinely). I'm not sure its some sort of miracle ingredient, maybe some studies will figure it out but its nothing more than a hypothesis at this point.

I'm no expert either, for sure. The experts that I have heard talk about it say that it will not work without zinc, though. Somehow the zinc allows something or another to happen or absorb something. Hopefully, you get my drift. So, from my understanding, it will not work without zinc, and it probably won't bring somebody on death's door back to life even with zinc. That's how these "trials" have been conducted. Whether it's the "cure" or not, it's sad that this possible game changer has been politicized.

[RocketCityDawg]

I will be more than willing to take the vaccine. Further, should I contract COVID, I will take HDC IF MY PHYSICIAN believes it is a viable course of treatment. However, I am not going to insist or imply to said physician that I believe it is the best option simply because the HDC cult is pushing it. The whole argument and conspiracy theory regarding HDC is insane.

Would you still call it a "conspiracy theory" if it turned out to be true? Do you still call Epstein being a pedophile and owning an island for said pedophilia to be a "conspiracy theory?"

[msstate7]

Texas with back-to-back 300+ deaths days.

[confucius say]

Texas with back-to-back 300+ deaths days.

It's cases are falling now over the last ten days though after peaking two weeks ago. Should be a good sign

[msstate7]

It's cases are falling now over the last ten days though after peaking two weeks ago. Should be a good sign

Cases dropping is certainly a good sign. Hopefully the deaths start coming down soon.

[starkvegasdawg]

I may be 6'5" but I'm now identifying as 5'8".

https://www.fox13news.com/news/taller-people-face-higher-risk-of-catching-covid-19-survey-says?fbclid=IwAR27886dut9GSyYWQtBuHFWmpp1Ob2nSFPlb ILgn1ANutfry1r-J7z33n5Q

[msstate7]

I may be 6'5" but I'm now identifying as 5'8".

https://www.fox13news.com/news/taller-people-face-higher-risk-of-catching-covid-19-survey-says?fbclid=IwAR27886dut9GSyYWQtBuHFWmpp1Ob2nSFPlb ILgn1ANutfry1r-J7z33n5Q

Basketball called off**

[BeardoMSU]

I may be 6'5" but I'm now identifying as 5'8".

https://www.fox13news.com/news/taller-people-face-higher-risk-of-catching-covid-19-survey-says?fbclid=IwAR27886dut9GSyYWQtBuHFWmpp1Ob2nSFPlb ILgn1ANutfry1r-J7z33n5Q

Lol.

[confucius say]

National 7 day case average drops again today. Fallin fallin fallin
Keep those numbers fallin
Soon we will be ballin

[BeardoMSU]

National 7 day case average drops again today. Fallin fallin fallin
Keep those numbers fallin
Soon we will be ballin

make it into a haiku, and I'll be impressed**

[confucius say]

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/resources/10032.pdf

Good site on ms dept of health website about hospital usage. Shows daily number of confirmed covid admissions, daily number of suspected covid admissions, both of which are down from mid July.
And icu bed usage and icu bed availability. Right now 83% of our icu beds are being used and 17% are available.

[BeardoMSU]

Right now 83% of our icu beds are being used and 17% are available.

How typical is that for this time of year?

[Johnson85]

How typical is that for this time of year?

The numbers I have heard are 60-85% full in summer and around 95-100% during cold and flu season. And I mean I literally heard that in a conversation. No clue if the guy knew what he was talking about or if he was talking about a particuladr hospital or hospitals in general.

[Dawgology]

The numbers I have heard are 60-85% full in summer and around 95-100% during cold and flu season. And I mean I literally heard that in a conversation. No clue if the guy knew what he was talking about or if he was talking about a particuladr hospital or hospitals in general.

That’s what we were told this past week. Your numbers line up with what I heard but it can vary pretty widely from region to region.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Japan and Australia set records today in new cases. European countries seem to be trending back up.

Isn't Australia in their winter season? I wonder if that has something to do with the spread there, since they can limit travel rather easily and reduce exposures.

I thought I had read where the optimal temperature for spread was something like 11 degrees Celsius (or around 50 degrees Fahrenheit). I get Johnson85's take on AC when temps are high, but I'm still concerned about when flu season hits - how are we going to tell the difference between the two?


It's cases are falling now over the last ten days though after peaking two weeks ago. Should be a good sign

10 days ago - you were saying "what about deaths"; now that deaths are peaking - the narrative is about cases dropping. I think its been proven in this thread that case numbers don't matter. I think we're too far gone to contain it anyway. It appears that healthcare has been able to manage the load in the most recent "hot spots", but as I just stated - Fall concerns me greatly when temps. start to lower.


The numbers I have heard are 60-85% full in summer and around 95-100% during cold and flu season. And I mean I literally heard that in a conversation. No clue if the guy knew what he was talking about or if he was talking about a particuladr hospital or hospitals in general.

This is the percentage that I remember the last time the topic was raised.

[msstate7]

Isn't Australia in their winter season? I wonder if that has something to do with the spread there, since they can limit travel rather easily and reduce exposures.

I thought I had read where the optimal temperature for spread was something like 11 degrees Celsius (or around 50 degrees Fahrenheit). I get Johnson85's take on AC when temps are high, but I'm still concerned about when flu season hits - how are we going to tell the difference between the two?



10 days ago - you were saying "what about deaths"; now that deaths are peaking - the narrative is about cases dropping. I think its been proven in this thread that case numbers don't matter. I think we're too far gone to contain it anyway. It appears that healthcare has been able to manage the load in the most recent "hot spots", but as I just stated - Fall concerns me greatly when temps. start to lower.



This is the percentage that I remember the last time the topic was raised.
Not sure about Australia... could be.


https://i.postimg.cc/7ZRX8qwp/01489-BBB-D470-4-DCF-BF84-1631039-F38-DE.jpg (https://postimg.cc/qN822VtL)

I wouldn't say deaths are peaking.. rising, but peak was a while back. Hell, NY alone was topping our 7-day avg for awhile

[msstate7]

Spain back over 3000 new cases today. Highest total since May 11

[confucius say]

Isn't Australia in their winter season? I wonder if that has something to do with the spread there, since they can limit travel rather easily and reduce exposures.

I thought I had read where the optimal temperature for spread was something like 11 degrees Celsius (or around 50 degrees Fahrenheit). I get Johnson85's take on AC when temps are high, but I'm still concerned about when flu season hits - how are we going to tell the difference between the two?



10 days ago - you were saying "what about deaths"; now that deaths are peaking - the narrative is about cases dropping. I think its been proven in this thread that case numbers don't matter. I think we're too far gone to contain it anyway. It appears that healthcare has been able to manage the load in the most recent "hot spots", but as I just stated - Fall concerns me greatly when temps. start to lower.



This is the percentage that I remember the last time the topic was raised.

Please show where I said "what about deaths" 10 days ago. I haven't talked about deaths in a month since I pointed out cases rose astronomically while deaths have not, thankfully. Deaths have risen though, and will for another two weeks roughly.
Case numbers matter bc they shed light on herd immunity potential. Fla has reached 20% and it's cases have fallen 12%. We should be there in less than a month.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Our total confirmed cases fell to around 1150 today with 52 deaths. When we got into this mess, I felt confident that cases would drop significantly during the summer months, but obviously that did not occur. Really difficult to understand.

[Johnson85]

Isn't Australia in their winter season? I wonder if that has something to do with the spread there, since they can limit travel rather easily and reduce exposures.

I thought I had read where the optimal temperature for spread was something like 11 degrees Celsius (or around 50 degrees Fahrenheit). I get Johnson85's take on AC when temps are high, but I'm still concerned about when flu season hits - how are we going to tell the difference between the two?

It's unclear how much of cold and flu season is due to the temperature/humidity being more conducive to the the flu and cold viruses spreading versus how much is due to human behavior changes in response to the temperature (i.e., spending more time indoors, in close proximity to other people, with recirculated air, and with weaker immune systems). COVID spread very well in New York in cooler temperatures, so I think we can expect it will be tough in cold and flu season. It seems obvious that AC usage has a lot to do with COVID virus spread in the northern hemisphere at the moment so places getting hit hard now will presumably see some relief when they get to milder weather in the fall.

But I think we're going to see it be pretty tough in cold and flu season except maybe in areas like New York that have really been hit hard to the point a lot of people are not potential carriers. And I think we're unfortunately going to find out there is no free lunch, and the places that aren't being hit right now are going to get hit harder when cold and flu season gets here. I'm optimistic that the southeast is going to end up with better numbers overall b/c they have more spread in warm months and won't have a huge susceptible population in the cold and flu season. That may be wishful thinking though.



10 days ago - you were saying "what about deaths"; now that deaths are peaking - the narrative is about cases dropping. I think its been proven in this thread that case numbers don't matter. I think we're too far gone to contain it anyway. It appears that healthcare has been able to manage the load in the most recent "hot spots", but as I just stated - Fall concerns me greatly when temps. start to lower.



This is the percentage that I remember the last time the topic was raised.

[BrunswickDawg]

About that idea that kids can't catch it......


https://twitter.com/amymaxmen/status/1289241881537392640?s=20
https://twitter.com/amymaxmen/status/1289241882388652032?s=20

[Dolphus Raymond]

Brunswick, that Tweet is disheartening. Damn.

[msstate7]

About that idea that kids can't catch it......


https://twitter.com/amymaxmen/status/1289241881537392640?s=20
https://twitter.com/amymaxmen/status/1289241882388652032?s=20

I don't think anyone has said kids can't catch it. I thought it was just kids weren't affected severely by it. I also thought it was kids to adults transmission is low. I could be misremembering this though. I'm really interested in the symptoms these kids have, and also how long and severe it affects them. This should become a huge study for school reopenings.

[confucius say]

Kids can def get it. I know a couple who have gotten it. All are fine though.
Georgia has had 15k kids under 18 test positive. 1 death.
MS has 6k confirmed cases of kids under 18. 0 deaths and 56 hospitalizations.

Also, that outbreak Brunswick cited also supports the growing theory that these super spreader events are aerosol spread, not droplet spread.

[BrunswickDawg]

Kids can def get it. I know a couple who have gotten it. All are fine though.
Georgia has had 15k kids under 18 test positive. 1 death.
MS has 6k confirmed cases of kids under 18. 0 deaths and 56 hospitalizations.

Also, that outbreak Brunswick cited also supports the growing theory that these super spreader events are aerosol spread, not droplet spread.

It would also follow the idea that kids are super spreaders themselves - so many are asymptomatic, and not careful about masks or distancing when left to their own devices. So, it puts teachers, admin, parents and relatives at a greater risk.

[confucius say]

It would also follow the idea that kids are super spreaders themselves - so many are asymptomatic, and not careful about masks or distancing when left to their own devices. So, it puts teachers, admin, parents and relatives at a greater risk.

Maybe. But the data I've seen so far cuts against that. My guess is it was spread by a staffer over 15.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Maybe. But the data I've seen so far cuts against that. My guess is it was spread by a staffer over 15.

What does your data say for the long-term lung damage of people that have contracted it (both kids and adults)?

[msstate7]

What does your data say for the long-term lung damage of people that have contracted it (both kids and adults)?

I've read about "long term" effects. I'm not saying they aren't real or dangerous, but I do wonder how you know long term effects of something we haven't been dealing with for even a year yet. I'm not trying to discredit you... I'm genuinely interested.

[Johnson85]

It would also follow the idea that kids are super spreaders themselves - so many are asymptomatic, and not careful about masks or distancing when left to their own devices. So, it puts teachers, admin, parents and relatives at a greater risk.

That's possible. It's also possible that the vast majority of the spreading was done by counselors.

I'm not sure what this camp was like, but the camp I went to growing up would have been very different than school. I think it was probably 15 of us sleeping in a cabin along with two teenage counselors? Not sure how that compares to having say 25 students in a room during the day. Wouldn't think it would be that different.

Doesn't really matter though. Just like retail workers, there are jobs that are at greater risk, and people are going to have to decide if they are willing to take the risk to do their job or not.

[confucius say]

What does your data say for the long-term lung damage of people that have contracted it (both kids and adults)?

Everything I've read says it's too early to know anything like that definitively.

[Dawgology]

As a friend of mine who is a teacher stated. We don’t know how children spread and react to the virus because they called schools off at the very beginning of this. We haven’t had school during the Covid pandemic yet so there is really no way to know.

[hacker]

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[confucius say]

The good news is those numbers were driven by Texas, fla, cal, and Arizona. All have seen sharp drops in daily case average now.

And according to Alex berenson, Az hospitalizations are down 35% since July 13, Texas down 15% the last 8 days, fla down 14% the last 10 days, and CA down 8% the last 10 days.

[Gutter Cobreh]

I've read about "long term" effects. I'm not saying they aren't real or dangerous, but I do wonder how you know long term effects of something we haven't been dealing with for even a year yet. I'm not trying to discredit you... I'm genuinely interested.


Everything I've read says it's too early to know anything like that definitively.

There are already reports that lung and heart scarring have been found. I think this thing has mutated, so I would say it would depend on the strain you get if infected - but it's worrisome. We talk about transmission from kids like we have that answer, but the reality is there are a lot of questions we're dismissing because case #s and/or deaths are decreasing. I realize that I'm "moving the goalposts", but Brunswick's post hits home.

Lastly, I worry about those parents who are anti-vaccine and whose kids didn't get an MMR shot. What I've seen is that kids aren't as susceptible because the MMR actually helps block the virus in their systems.

[hacker]

The good news is those numbers were driven by Texas, fla, cal, and Arizona. All have seen sharp drops in daily case average now.

And according to Alex berenson, Az hospitalizations are down 35% since July 13, Texas down 15% the last 8 days, fla down 14% the last 10 days, and CA down 8% the last 10 days.

I really only wanted to share the Mississippi tweet. We're close to the highest in the country in cases per capita over the last week.

[BrunswickDawg]

There are already reports that lung and heart scarring have been found. I think this thing has mutated, so I would say it would depend on the strain you get if infected - but it's worrisome. We talk about transmission from kids like we have that answer, but the reality is there are a lot of questions we're dismissing because case #s and/or deaths are decreasing. I realize that I'm "moving the goalposts", but Brunswick's post hits home.

Lastly, I worry about those parents who are anti-vaccine and whose kids didn't get an MMR shot. What I've seen is that kids aren't as susceptible because the MMR actually helps block the virus in their systems.

Well, it's hitting a little to close to home for me. After I posted, the AJC released the name of the camp. One of my UGA guys is on the board of the camp and his son was a counselor trainee at the camp. Son brought it home. My friend got COVID again after having had it in March - luckily mild cases. Said it hit him like a Mack truck, but only lasted a couple of days other then shortness of breath that has lasted weeks. Some how his wife and daughter have dodged both times.

[confucius say]

I really only wanted to share the Mississippi tweet. We're close to the highest in the country in cases per capita over the last week.

Yea it sucks.
Bout to swing though. Hang in there!