The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[dantheman4248]

It's up to 12% now according to worldometer, up from 10% the other day.

Yet the article that everyone is praising says fatality rates are declining.

You must have made it farther than me, I did not get that far. It felt like I was diving further into a pile of bullshit and couldn't read more. Saddened to see so many praise it as a good article.

[Liverpooldawg]

Italy also has 1/30 the space of us. So even in an area that in 5 times more sparsely populated we are still accelerating at a higher rate.


Neither one of our metrics tell near enough of the story there to reasonably be relied on.

Infections per capita is the only stat that you can really us.

[Cooterpoot]

Everyone is going to die!!! EVERYONE!!!

[dantheman4248]

Infections per capita is the only stat that you can really us.

Maybe if you use it better. Comparing the US as a whole to italy is wrong in all formats. I'd be interested to see a combined New York / California count against Italy. Total state populations there combined are roughly equal with Italy. The size is only twice as big as italy. That metric would get us a closer controlled look at how we're doing compared to italy.

[confucius say]

I literally broke it down in my post...

About 10% of Closed cases have closed with death. You can't look at the death rate as dead / infected. Some of those still might die. So from that 10% I assumed that roughly 50% of people requesting testing that actually have the virus are turned down. Knocked it down to 5%. I also think that as we naturally get better at best methods to fight this disease, that percentage gets cut in half at minimum. So that's 2.5% and I took another .5% off to be more conservative. That's 2%.


Currently the world has ~95k recovered cases and ~13k deaths. That suggests 12% of closed cases end with death. Sobering statistic.

Got ya. But that's not statistics. Your using words like "assumed." But more importantly, your formula is not accounting for the people (I'm "assuming" thousands and probably millions) who have had the virus and not sought testing.

[confucius say]

Much more likely to be at 1% based on most studies.

That's the number I keep hearing

[Todd4State]

Got ya. But that's not statistics. Your using words like "assumed." But more importantly, your formula is not accounting for the people (I'm "assuming" thousands and probably millions) who have had the virus and not sought testing.

That's the thing about any statistics right now is we really don't have enough data. So you can either be optimistic using the data or negative using the data depending on how you want to look at it. The truth will likely lie somewhere in the middle.

[BeardoMSU]

Everyone is going to die!!! EVERYONE!!!

Name a single person in this thread that has said that...

Does your brain only compute in binary code?**

[Todd4State]

That's the number I keep hearing

And it's because of the fact the test takes so damn long to come back positive or negative. For whatever reason.

The data we have right now is about like Rowdey Jordan hitting below the Mendonza Line after OOC games.

My personal opinion is over the next week or two the numbers will inevitably get worse, people will freak out and then it will plateau throughout April and early May and gradually go down. Once our bodies build some immunity to it then we will gradually be allowed to do less and less social distancing although a few cases will still pop up but at a much lower rate.

[dantheman4248]

Got ya. But that's not statistics. Your using words like "assumed." But more importantly, your formula is not accounting for the people (I'm "assuming" thousands and probably millions) who have had the virus and not sought testing.

That's what I'm accounting for in the part where I'm cutting from 10% to 5%. My guestimation was that people who have had it is double what we've reported. It may be more than that but that's a hard spot to go from. Maybe it's quadruple and that would end up with 1% death rate. But that one is too hard to know and has the highest variability. That's why I said at the beginning that it's a hard thing to predict and gave it my best guess.

You're now trying to straw man me and pigeonhole it into an argument that this is what I said will happen. I was asked my best projection and gave reasons why.

Now if you wanna show me why I should believe the infected and recovered cases that aren't reported is 3x the amount that were, then I'm all ears.

[dawgday166]

Got ya. But that's not statistics. Your using words like "assumed." But more importantly, your formula is not accounting for the people (I'm "assuming" thousands and probably millions) who have had the virus and not sought testing.

Naw man ... his stats are absolute. You just don't understand ****

[dantheman4248]

That's the thing about any statistics right now is we really don't have enough data. So you can either be optimistic using the data or negative using the data depending on how you want to look at it. The truth will likely lie somewhere in the middle.

Optimistic data would be that the US doesn't break 5% infected and .5% death rate. So let's say 2.5% infected and .5% death rate. That's 40k deaths in the US. That's worth 13 9/11s. That's the optimistic outlook.

This is a tragedy on a scale unseen that could have been largely prevented.

Then you add in the thought of what this has done to the economy and the average american. Sobering and sad.

[dantheman4248]

The willfully ignorant reading comprehension and blatantly incorrect inferences made just on my posts by some of you here explains why so many thought that was a good article.

It's like you guys can't read complete sentences. I mean damn. I'm asked to make a prediction, say it's hard to make a prediction and state where I'm using assumptions, and you're telling me that I'm using statistics wrong and can't make assumptions because we don't have the data.

WELL NO SHIT SHERLOCK. THATS WHY ITS A PREDICTION. WE DONT HAVE THE DATA FOR THE FUTURE.

[confucius say]

That's what I'm accounting for in the part where I'm cutting from 10% to 5%. My guestimation was that people who have had it is double what we've reported. It may be more than that but that's a hard spot to go from. Maybe it's quadruple and that would end up with 1% death rate. But that one is too hard to know and has the highest variability. That's why I said at the beginning that it's a hard thing to predict and gave it my best guess.

You're now trying to straw man me and pigeonhole it into an argument that this is what I said will happen. I was asked my best projection and gave reasons why.

Now if you wanna show me why I should believe the infected and recovered cases that aren't reported is 3x the amount that were, then I'm all ears.

Ok but that's not what you said. You said you were cutting from 10% to 5% to account for people who requested testing and were turned down. I took your statement as written, and I agree with you on that.

But your original statement and formula did not account at all for people who have, or have had, the virus and have not even sought treatment who are still alive. I agree with you that there is no way to put a number on that variable, but we do know it is a variable that exists and was not accounted for in your original formula as you stated it, and when accounted for would lower your number below 5%.

And I'm not trying to pigeonholed you. Just pointing out an unaccounted for variable in your original formula.

[Todd4State]

Optimistic data would be that the US doesn't break 5% infected and .5% death rate. So let's say 2.5% infected and .5% death rate. That's 40k deaths in the US. That's worth 13 9/11s. That's the optimistic outlook.

This is a tragedy on a scale unseen that could have been largely prevented.

Then you add in the thought of what this has done to the economy and the average american. Sobering and sad.

No one is saying that this isn't a bad thing or tragic or whatever word you want to use. However, there is a difference between 2% and 1% when you're talking about a sample size of 387 million which is the approximate population of the US.

What people need to do is let this play out over another week or two before going into absolute doom and gloom freak out mode.

[confucius say]

The willfully ignorant reading comprehension and blatantly incorrect inferences made just on my posts by some of you here explains why so many thought that was a good article.

It's like you guys can't read complete sentences. I mean damn. I'm asked to make a prediction, say it's hard to make a prediction and state where I'm using assumptions, and you're telling me that I'm using statistics wrong and can't make assumptions because we don't have the data.

WELL NO SHIT SHERLOCK. THATS WHY ITS A PREDICTION. WE DONT HAVE THE DATA FOR THE FUTURE.

To the extent your insults are at me, I didn't infer anything. I read your statement as written and quoted it back to you. You said you were dropping the rate from 10% to 5% due to people who requested testing and were refused a test. I pointed out you were ignoring the variable of people who did not even seek testing, and you tried to say, oh no I accounted for that in my dropping from 10% to 5% too. Well maybe so, but that's not what you typed.

I do agree there is insufficient data at this point, and that it is hard to predict a death rate. But you have to at least place a number on the people who have had the virus, not sought treatment, and lived.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Mortality rate in the US has fallen from 1.5% to 1.2% over the last two days as I assume we are ramping up testing and able to test less severe potential cases

[dantheman4248]

To the extent your insults are at me, I didn't infer anything. I read your statement as written and quoted it back to you. You said you were dropping the rate from 10% to 5% due to people who requested testing and were refused a test. I pointed out you were ignoring the variable of people who did not even seek testing, and you tried to say, oh no I accounted for that in my dropping from 10% to 5% too. Well maybe so, but that's not what you typed.

I do agree there is insufficient data at this point, and that it is hard to predict a death rate. But you have to at least place a number on the people who have had the virus, not sought treatment, and lived.

1. No. The insults are at a wide variety on here. Not targeted. Not if I didn't quote you. 2. and below are directly at you.

2. That's not the statement I'm talking about. this whole side chain started with someone asking me to give my prediction when it's done.

You then decided to tell me that assuming isn't statistics and Todd is telling me that I'm preaching doom and gloom.

I was literally asked to make a prediction. I wasn't clear on how I was wording one sentence of my post and you've now tried to use solely that to take down every bit of a straw man argument you've created saying I'm doing. That's you. That's your argument tactic. I didn't spout this prediction off as highly sophisticated statistics. I used statistics in conjunction with intuition, assumptions and observation to create that prediction.

If you want to argue the specific assumptions that's fine. I think it's 50% of infected people aren't confirmed. You seem to think it's 75%. Anything to sway me differently? I'm guestimating there based on A. lack of testing in the US, B. general knowledge of how the average american may not afford being sick or will power through C. knowing that a majority of the other countries have tested majorly and narrowed down actual cases (America isn't the only one in play here. I'm guessing this is something you're not accounting for.) What leads you to 75%?

[Extendedcab]

To the extent your insults are at me, I didn't infer anything. I read your statement as written and quoted it back to you. You said you were dropping the rate from 10% to 5% due to people who requested testing and were refused a test. I pointed out you were ignoring the variable of people who did not even seek testing, and you tried to say, oh no I accounted for that in my dropping from 10% to 5% too. Well maybe so, but that's not what you typed.

I do agree there is insufficient data at this point, and that it is hard to predict a death rate. But you have to at least place a number on the people who have had the virus, not sought treatment, and lived.

It's not that they do not seek treatment but they do not qualify to be tested and therefore counted in the numbers the press tracks. The qualification metric to be tested (in MS that is) is that you must have a fever over 101.4. How do I know, I am one of them that did not meet the temperature milestone. I was told by my PCP that I am to assume I have COVID-19 based on my symptoms and take appropriate precautions (self quarantine, hydrate, get plenty of electrolytes, rest) - Dry cough, headache, shortness of breath, fever, muscle aches (more like real pain in my shoulders and arms), one of my ribs also hurt - go figure :confused:.

I do agree that that the death rate for all COVID-19 infections will be below 1% since the cases the CDC/gov/whoever track are only the more serious cases. The number cases reported are way below the total number of cases due to circumstances such as mine and my wife's.

[Todd4State]

Mortality rate in the US has fallen from 1.5% to 1.2% over the last two days as I assume we are ramping up testing and able to test less severe potential cases

Well, the test results are starting to come in which will likely show an inverse between the actual number of cases and those that are actually passing away and eventually it will settle into the true picture of what we're actually looking at. You are correct that testing has been ramped up though.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Well, the test results are starting to come in which will likely show an inverse between the actual number of cases and those that are actually passing away and eventually it will settle into the true picture of what we're actually looking at. You are correct that testing has been ramped up though.
Oh I know it has ramped up, it'll continue to do so next week too as they set up more drive thru test stations.

[Political Hack]

Well, the test results are starting to come in which will likely show an inverse between the actual number of cases and those that are actually passing away and eventually it will settle into the true picture of what we're actually looking at. You are correct that testing has been ramped up though.

FDA just approved a new test that gives results in 45 minutes. That's a big jump forward in helping quickly get information out to people where clusters may be popping up.

[starkvegasdawg]

Bolivia cancels May elections as country enacts total quarantine.

[msstate7]

FDA just approved a new test that gives results in 45 minutes. That's a big jump forward in helping quickly get information out to people where clusters may be popping up.

How quickly can the tests be mass produced?

[Pinto]

The willfully ignorant reading comprehension and blatantly incorrect inferences made just on my posts by some of you here explains why so many thought that was a good article.

It's like you guys can't read complete sentences. I mean damn. I'm asked to make a prediction, say it's hard to make a prediction and state where I'm using assumptions, and you're telling me that I'm using statistics wrong and can't make assumptions because we don't have the data.

WELL NO SHIT SHERLOCK. THATS WHY ITS A PREDICTION. WE DONT HAVE THE DATA FOR THE FUTURE.

You seem like the tool at work who thinks he?s smarter than everyone else and berates anyone who thinks otherwise. So folks at work let you say your peace, and then make fun of you behind your back and do what everyone else wants to do anyway. They just keep you around to take the work no one else wants - knowing they just have to stroke your ego occasionally to keep you going. Bless your heart.

[Todd4State]

FDA just approved a new test that gives results in 45 minutes. That's a big jump forward in helping quickly get information out to people where clusters may be popping up.

That would be huge. I really think we are going to get a handle on this. I know that a lot of people are working hard around the world to make it happen.

[dantheman4248]

You seem like the tool at work who thinks he?s smarter than everyone else and berates anyone who thinks otherwise. So folks at work let you say your peace, and then make fun of you behind your back and do what everyone else wants to do anyway. They just keep you around to take the work no one else wants - knowing they just have to stroke your ego occasionally to keep you going. Bless your heart.

I'd say you're projecting but it's much more likely you've found out you're not essential and are just venting anger at a person you saw got to keep a job over you. Sorry you got laid off. This world is tough and this situation sucks.

As for me, way off base. I'm nowhere near the expert in my field. Far from it and I know it. My job is pretty pandemic proof and recession proof in general so I'm not too worried.

Sorry your enjoyment consists of making fun of people behind their backs and falsely accusing people of doing certain things then calling them "triggered" when they make a post to prove you wrong. You're a sad little troll and I really feel sorry for you. I hope you know how to get unemployment and can afford a therapist. You would do good seeing someone and talking about why you enjoy making others mad. Would help you in the long run to figure that one out.

[Pinto]

I'd say you're projecting but it's much more likely you've found out you're not essential and are just venting anger at a person you saw got to keep a job over you. Sorry you got laid off. This world is tough and this situation sucks.

As for me, way off base. I'm nowhere near the expert in my field. Far from it and I know it. My job is pretty pandemic proof and recession proof in general so I'm not too worried.

Sorry your enjoyment consists of making fun of people behind their backs and falsely accusing people of doing certain things then calling them "triggered" when they make a post to prove you wrong. You're a sad little troll and I really feel sorry for you. I hope you know how to get unemployment and can afford a therapist. You would do good seeing someone and talking about why you enjoy making others mad. Would help you in the long run to figure that one out.

Nailed it!

[BeardoMSU]

Bless your heart.

This isn't as powerful a statement as you think it is...

[dantheman4248]

Nailed it!

Godspeed to you then. Good luck and literally bless your heart.

[hacker]

People get so offended by actual numbers

[Saltydog]

That rate is going to go up in MS, maybe if only temporarily because there's been atleast one death at NMMC in Tupelo that has yet to be reported and from what I gather, there's more.

[Pinto]

Godspeed to you then. Good luck and literally bless your heart.

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[The Federalist Engineer]

Optimistic data would be that the US doesn't break 5% infected and .5% death rate. So let's say 2.5% infected and .5% death rate. That's 40k deaths in the US. That's worth 13 9/11s. That's the optimistic outlook.

This is a tragedy on a scale unseen that could have been largely prevented.

Then you add in the thought of what this has done to the economy and the average american. Sobering and sad.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm

61K deaths during the 2017/18 flu season

That?s CDC data in the link Above

[deadheaddawg]

You seem like the tool at work who thinks he?s smarter than everyone else and berates anyone who thinks otherwise. So folks at work let you say your peace, and then make fun of you behind your back and do what everyone else wants to do anyway. They just keep you around to take the work no one else wants - knowing they just have to stroke your ego occasionally to keep you going. Bless your heart.

You are the kind of person that thinks "common sense" is better than the advice of nearly every medical and scientific expert in the world. You are the kids and of guy the when confronted with things he isn't smart enough to understand, he counters with lame old "trigger" and "bless your heart" because you can't even come up with something original.

And you are the kind of guy that has been trying to mock those with concern saying they are scared. Well honey, they arnt scared. They are just smart enough to follow advice. You clearly arnt.

And people like you are the reason we are behind on the response and social distancing. All because you are too stupid to understand. And as the shit hits the fan a lot of the blame LIE SQUARELY ON THE SHOULDERS OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU

In two weeks don't run around trying to blame things on other people. I hope you are man enough to admit you have been wrong and a dangerous fool. But you won't. You will whine and try to blame others.

Because you are stupid

[Maroonthirteen]

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm

61K deaths during the 2017/18 flu season

That?s CDC data in the link Above

Could you imagine if the national news had a running ticker for flu cases and deaths? Seeing that update every day, running up to 44M/61k deaths...... oh my.

[Matt3467]

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm

61K deaths during the 2017/18 flu season

That?s CDC data in the link Above

And the difference in public response between the coronavirus and the flu is the msm over sensationalizing it causing people to panic. Ridiculous we can't go to a store now without waiting hours in line only to find out all the toilet paper just sold out and most of the meat, bread, and bottled water are gone as well. This is crazy and it's all because of our media.

[deadheaddawg]

lol

Imagine being so uniformed about what's going on that today on 3/21 you are STILL blaming this on the media

That's is an astonishing level of ignorance.

[hacker]

Yes, every flu season they bring in army trucks to haul off the corpses in Italy

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-italy-army-transport-coffins-bergamo-morgue-crisis-video-2020-3

[deadheaddawg]

I guess every year Italy's hospitals start going into crises because of the flu?

[Pinto]

You are the kind of person that thinks "common sense" is better than the advice of nearly every medical and scientific expert in the world. You are the kids and of guy the when confronted with things he isn't smart enough to understand, he counters with lame old "trigger" and "bless your heart" because you can't even come up with something original.

And you are the kind of guy that has been trying to mock those with concern saying they are scared. Well honey, they arnt scared. They are just smart enough to follow advice. You clearly arnt.

And people like you are the reason we are behind on the response and social distancing. All because you are too stupid to understand. And as the shit hits the fan a lot of the blame LIE SQUARELY ON THE SHOULDERS OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU

In two weeks don't run around trying to blame things on other people. I hope you are man enough to admit you have been wrong and a dangerous fool. But you won't. You will whine and try to blame others.

Because you are stupid

Wrong, but thanks for trying.

[KOdawg1]

lol

Imagine being so uniformed about what's going on that today on 3/21 you are STILL blaming this on the media

That's is an astonishing level of ignorance.
Man, what are you gonna do when all this is over? Relax.

[shoeless joe]

And it's because of the fact the test takes so damn long to come back positive or negative. For whatever reason.

The data we have right now is about like Rowdey Jordan hitting below the Mendonza Line after OOC games.

My personal opinion is over the next week or two the numbers will inevitably get worse, people will freak out and then it will plateau throughout April and early May and gradually go down. Once our bodies build some immunity to it then we will gradually be allowed to do less and less social distancing although a few cases will still pop up but at a much lower rate.

So the virus has a hitch??*

[Todd4State]

So the virus has a hitch??*

I'm hoping it's hot right now because of a lack of a scouting report and then regresses below the mean.**

[msstate7]

Man, what are you gonna do when all this is over? Relax.

I really think he'd volunteer to die of coronavirus just to make the death toll more so he could gloat from the afterlife

[deadheaddawg]

Man, what are you gonna do when all this is over? Relax.

I'm going to continue to not be scared of knowledge. I am going to continue to not be fearful of science and facts. I'm going to continue to not live in a political agenda bubble.

And when the next big event happens and people act stupid and start to again fear knowledge, I will call them stupid.

It's helps pass the time when stuck at home

[Matt3467]

lol

Imagine being so uniformed about what's going on that today on 3/21 you are STILL blaming this on the media

That's is an astonishing level of ignorance.

I'm pretty sure I've got a better handle on this than you do. I've been working in healthcare now for many years and I'm in no way ignorant. Keep spreading the panic.

[KOdawg1]

I'm going to continue to not be scared of knowledge. I am going to continue to not be fearful of science and facts. I'm going to continue to not live in a political agenda bubble.

And when the next big event happens and people act stupid and start to again fear knowledge, I will call them stupid.

It's helps pass the time when stuck at home
Cool. It'd probably be better for your heart if you just went fishing or something.

[The Federalist Engineer]

I really think he'd volunteer to die of coronavirus just to make the death toll more so he could gloat from the afterlife

LOL, I needed a laugh today +++1

[BeardoMSU]

And the difference in public response between the coronavirus and the flu is the msm over sensationalizing it causing people to panic. Ridiculous we can't go to a store now without waiting hours in line only to find out all the toilet paper just sold out and most of the meat, bread, and bottled water are gone as well. This is crazy and it's all because of our media.

So the POTUS, our governors, our local leaders, and every other ruler around the world are just succumbing to the immense power of the media?

https://media.giphy.com/media/CDJo4EgHwbaPS/giphy.gif

Holy shit at this level of wtf....

[BeardoMSU]

I've been working in healthcare now for many years and I'm in no way ignorant.

Look...no one said emptying out bed pans wasn't a noble profession...thank you for your bravery**

[Dawgology]

I guess every year Italy's hospitals start going into crises because of the flu?

Actually that could be the case. This is an interesting article that I think may shed a little light on Italy's current crisis.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

It appears they barely have the seasonal flu under control over there much less a new, more aggressive virus. Keep in mind that this article doesn't reflect the 2018/2019 flu season which hit them very hard and was appearing to peak in January of THIS year...right as Covid-19 began hitting them. They actually recorded almost 500,000 cases of the seasonal flu in one week in January. Again, this article was published before Covid-19 was news.

[Dawgcap]

Look...no one said emptying out bed pans wasn't a noble profession...thank you for your bravery**
Classy response to a man on the front lines who doesn?t agree! That?s awesome! Need a thumbs up? Seriously some of you are ridiculous. Getting in a pissing match over something none of y?all have no answers too.

[msstate7]

Actually that could be the case. This is an interesting article that I think may shed a little light on Italy's current crisis.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

It appears they barely have the seasonal flu under control over there much less a new, more aggressive virus. Keep in mind that this article doesn't reflect the 2018/2019 flu season which hit them very hard and was appearing to peak in January of THIS year...right as Covid-19 began hitting them. They actually recorded almost 500,000 cases of the seasonal flu in one week in January. Again, this article was published before Covid-19 was news.

Here's an article about the huge number of flu cases in Italy that hit mid-January

https://ilglobo.com/news/italy-reports-almost-500000-cases-of-the-flu-within-a-week-46676/

End of January, they confirmed 1st cases of coronavirus. It would be interesting to know if in their death cases did some test positive for flu and coronavirus

[hacker]

Looks like Spain is approaching that point where it really started to snowball for Italy. 344 deaths in 24 hours. Their death rate up to 6% now. This is almost exactly where Italy was a week ago.

March 15 - Italy
24747 cases, 1809 deaths, 368 deaths in 24 hours

March 22 - Spain
28572 cases, 1725 deaths, 344 deaths in 24 hours

[GreenheadDawg]

Look...no one said emptying out bed pans wasn't a noble profession...thank you for your bravery**

That?s real classy there.

[BeardoMSU]

That?s real classy there.

Jesus. It's a joke.

[hacker]

140 -> 207 cases in MS. First 2 in Oktibbeha.

[hacker]

That rate is going to go up in MS, maybe if only temporarily because there's been atleast one death at NMMC in Tupelo that has yet to be reported and from what I gather, there's more.

They're still saying only 1 death

[dantheman4248]

Classy response to a man on the front lines who doesn?t agree! That?s awesome! Need a thumbs up? Seriously some of you are ridiculous. Getting in a pissing match over something none of y?all have no answers too.

Speaking as someone who DOES work in healthcare... the guy Beardo responded to definitely doesn't actually do anything healthcare related. He probably works as a janitor/maintenance in a hospital and calls that healthcare. No way he's "on the front lines". (For the record, I'm not either.)

[HereComesTheSpiral]

That rate is going to go up in MS, maybe if only temporarily because there's been atleast one death at NMMC in Tupelo that has yet to be reported and from what I gather, there's more.

When did this happen? A co-worker was sent there last week and tested positive for the coronavirus.

[gtowndawg]

According to a poster on sixpack roughly 1300 people have been tested in Miss. and 1100 were negative.

[yjnkdawg]

According to a poster on sixpack roughly 1300 people have been tested in Miss. and 1100 were negative.


MSDH reported this morning that of the 1321 that had been tested 207 were positive. The US Surgeon General reported this morning that 90% of the ones tested nationwide, who thought they had it or had been exposed did not have the virus based upon the test results they had received so far.

[yjnkdawg]

Here's an article about the huge number of flu cases in Italy that hit mid-January

https://ilglobo.com/news/italy-reports-almost-500000-cases-of-the-flu-within-a-week-46676/

End of January, they confirmed 1st cases of coronavirus. It would be interesting to know if in their death cases did some test positive for flu and coronavirus



Great post. Thanks 7.

[chef dixon]

Not trying to start a pissing match, but if you are in healthcare and you think this is being overblown by the media then 99% of your colleagues disagree with you. I can guarantee your institution is taking it seriously. You can also call it panic, but the natural result of closing restaurants and telling people to stay home is people flooding the grocery stores. You can argue that shutting everything down won't work, but its hard to argue that it is the wrong decision. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people that won't ever feel this is a big deal unless someone close to them is affected. The flu comparison is not applicable, and anyone in healthcare should know that. As long as it continues to ravage and escalate in Italy, we should be doing everything we can to avoid that result. Disclaimer: just my opinion and subject to being wrong.

[Cooterpoot]

Grocery store raids were happening from day one. Not when things started shutting down. It was straight panic and hoarding.

[hacker]

By the way, the "evidence over hysteria" post was removed from that website for violation of the rules: https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894

Here's a twitter thread that goes more in depth: https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1241522140559503360

[dantheman4248]

By the way, the "evidence over hysteria" post was removed from that website for violation of the rules: https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894

Here's a twitter thread that goes more in depth: https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1241522140559503360

LMFAO. Now that is quality.

[hacker]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETrtCcHU4AAHOAr?format=jpg&name=medium

[msstate7]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETrtCcHU4AAHOAr?format=jpg&name=medium

Read it again...

"1% of everyone who is tested"; not all who are tested have it.

"2.3% of all cases died"; this is among only the infected

[BeardoMSU]

By the way, the "evidence over hysteria" post was removed from that website for violation of the rules: https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894

Here's a twitter thread that goes more in depth: https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1241522140559503360

Wow. So glad Britt Hume was able to assist that shit going viral.

[Political Hack]

You are the kind of person that thinks "common sense" is better than the advice of nearly every medical and scientific expert in the world. You are the kids and of guy the when confronted with things he isn't smart enough to understand, he counters with lame old "trigger" and "bless your heart" because you can't even come up with something original.

And you are the kind of guy that has been trying to mock those with concern saying they are scared. Well honey, they arnt scared. They are just smart enough to follow advice. You clearly arnt.

And people like you are the reason we are behind on the response and social distancing. All because you are too stupid to understand. And as the shit hits the fan a lot of the blame LIE SQUARELY ON THE SHOULDERS OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU

In two weeks don't run around trying to blame things on other people. I hope you are man enough to admit you have been wrong and a dangerous fool. But you won't. You will whine and try to blame others.

Because you are stupid

This message needs to be on repeat on a loud speaker everywhere.

[dantheman4248]

This seems to be a good article to read. At least Brit Hume, of Fox News, thinks so and others who have retweeted it.

Why I Decided to Run for President by Donald Trump (https://childrenofyhwh.com/multimedia/library/Hitler/mein-kampf.pdf)


**

[hacker]

Read it again...

"1% of everyone who is tested"; not all who are tested have it.

"2.3% of all cases died"; this is among only the infected

The circled part says "cases" which implies infected. The headline of that section is purposefully misleading.

[msstate7]

The circled part says "cases" which implies infected. The headline of that section is purposefully misleading.

Yeah, it is

[BeardoMSU]

The circled part says "cases" which implies infected. The headline of that section is purposefully misleading.

One of many reasons the article was taken down.

[deadheaddawg]

Not trying to start a pissing match, but if you are in healthcare and you think this is being overblown by the media then 99% of your colleagues disagree with you. I can guarantee your institution is taking it seriously. You can also call it panic, but the natural result of closing restaurants and telling people to stay home is people flooding the grocery stores. You can argue that shutting everything down won't work, but its hard to argue that it is the wrong decision. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people that won't ever feel this is a big deal unless someone close to them is affected. The flu comparison is not applicable, and anyone in healthcare should know that. As long as it continues to ravage and escalate in Italy, we should be doing everything we can to avoid that result. Disclaimer: just my opinion and subject to being wrong.
Great post

[Dolphus Raymond]

For those of you who continue to blame The Deep State, the Liberal Press, or China, you sound foolish. Please just stop. Go ahead, call me Snowflake, Nancy etc if it makes you feel better, but reality is quickly setting in and you know it. We screwed up big time. Accept that reality and drive on, and above all else, Trust Science.

ALAS, BABYLON!!
(Only kidding)
Airborne,
Dolphus Raymond

[Cooterpoot]

This whole damn board sounds foolish. Nothing new there though.

[Cooterpoot]

For those of you who continue to blame The Deep State, the Liberal Press, or China, you sound foolish. Please just stop. Go ahead, call me Snowflake, Nancy etc if it makes you feel better, but reality is quickly setting in and you know it. We screwed up big time. Accept that reality and drive on, and above all else, Trust Science.

ALAS, BABYLON!!
(Only kidding)
Airborne,
Dolphus Raymond

Well, the great Fauchi was on tv this morning saying our response was great. Said we closed off the travel when we should have etc. This is the same guy everyone has been praising.

[KOdawg1]

For those of you who continue to blame The Deep State, the Liberal Press, or China, you sound foolish. Please just stop. Go ahead, call me Snowflake, Nancy etc if it makes you feel better, but reality is quickly setting in and you know it. We screwed up big time. Accept that reality and drive on, and above all else, Trust Science.

ALAS, BABYLON!!
(Only kidding)
Airborne,
Dolphus Raymond

I trust God.

[deadheaddawg]

For those of you who continue to blame The Deep State, the Liberal Press, or China, you sound foolish. Please just stop. Go ahead, call me Snowflake, Nancy etc if it makes you feel better, but reality is quickly setting in and you know it. We screwed up big time. Accept that reality and drive on, and above all else, Trust Science.

ALAS, BABYLON!!
(Only kidding)
Airborne,
Dolphus Raymond

So much truth in this. Thanks for saying it

[hacker]

Louisiana gov just issued statewide lockdown. Their situation is pretty bad compared to us, but I still think our lockdown will be coming this week.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Mortality rate based on the worldometers numbers is down to 1% today. Down from 1.5% four days ago. But critical cases are up from 0.5% to 2% in the same timespan

[Political Hack]

This is about to absolutely cripple New Orleans and the surrounding area. Dealing with hospital shortages in an area that's rich in resources is different than dealing with a healthcare crisis in the middle of a poverty riddled region where people don't have access to essential daily supplies. Lawlessness could quickly ensue throughout the region, which will exacerbate the problem 1,000 fold.

[msudawg1200]

I trust God.

I'm with you. We need to pray.

[BeardoMSU]

I'm with you. We need to pray.

Pray all you want...but still listen to medical experts, please.


Apropos, I just saw where the Michigan Gov exempted churches from the 50+ person ban...what a terrible terrible idea...

[msudawg1200]

Pray all you want...but still listen to medical experts, please.


Apropos, I just saw where the Michigan Gov exempted churches from the 50+ person ban...what a terrible terrible idea...

I listen to God. He is the expert.

[Todd4State]

Louisiana gov just issued statewide lockdown. Their situation is pretty bad compared to us, but I still think our lockdown will be coming this week.

If you read the lockdown people can still do things like walk outside and go to the park to exercise.

[dantheman4248]

I listen to God. He is the expert.

God says listen to the doctors he guided in his divine wisdom to be the experts to deal with this crisis.

[RocketDawg]

If you read the lockdown people can still do things like walk outside and go to the park to exercise.

They won't be able to do even that in NYC starting at 8 EDT tonight. That's when virtually total lockdown starts for them. 9000 cases so far in a very dense city.

[defiantdog]

This is about to absolutely cripple New Orleans and the surrounding area. Dealing with hospital shortages in an area that's rich in resources is different than dealing with a healthcare crisis in the middle of a poverty riddled region where people don't have access to essential daily supplies. Lawlessness could quickly ensue throughout the region, which will exacerbate the problem 1,000 fold.

1/3 of New Orleans hospitals are currently COVID-19 patients. Their numbers being posted everywhere are not correct. They will need temporary hospitals and assistance within a week at this rate. Some of you are taking this lightly, and it makes no damn sense. It hasn't hit home for those that don't believe this is a big deal..... but it will.

[shoeless joe]

God says listen to the doctors he guided in his divine wisdom to be the experts to deal with this crisis.

This I agree with.

[hacker]

Mortality rate based on the worldometers numbers is down to 1% today. Down from 1.5% four days ago. But critical cases are up from 0.5% to 2% in the same timespan

Only 15 states are reporting hospitalization data. In the states without hospitalization data, all of their cases go into the mild bucket.

[msstate7]

NY is getting hammered. What are Washington state's numbers doing? Any slow down there?

[hacker]

NY is getting hammered. What are Washington state's numbers doing? Any slow down there?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETrouFdUwAEH9A_?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

They're doing well relative to NY for sure.

[BrunswickDawg]

Interesting projections

https://twitter.com/beauwillimon/status/1241772507457339397?s=21

[DownwardDawg]

Interesting projections

https://twitter.com/beauwillimon/status/1241772507457339397?s=21

Man I hope that doesn't happen. Crazy scary. We have all got to stay away from people for a little while.

[dantheman4248]

Complete bullshit....when it?s all said and done cases in the US won?t exceed 30,000....summer is close at hand

This statement was made 10 days ago. TEN. DAYS. AGO.

33k cases in the US and counting.

[BeardoMSU]

This statement was made 10 days ago. TEN. DAYS. AGO.

33k cases in the US and counting.

Jeez...a lot in this thread is going to age terribly, sadly.

[Political Hack]

1/3 of New Orleans hospitals are currently COVID-19 patients. Their numbers being posted everywhere are not correct. They will need temporary hospitals and assistance within a week at this rate. Some of you are taking this lightly, and it makes no damn sense. It hasn't hit home for those that don't believe this is a big deal..... but it will.

They've been seeing this for two weeks. They don't have enough test to test people. They sent a friend of mine home who has it without testing him last week and told him to quarantine because he has it. His fever broke today and he's feeling better. He hoped this is the end of it. It's about to hit their police officers, healthcare workers, prisons, everything. The next 10 days in New Orleans are critical.

[hacker]

9,373 new cases and 118 deaths in the past 24 hours in the US

Yesterday: 4,825 new cases and 46 deaths

[hacker]

This statement was made 10 days ago. TEN. DAYS. AGO.

33k cases in the US and counting.

They should do one of those "where are they now?" shows about this guy

[dantheman4248]

Jeez...a lot in this thread is going to age terribly, sadly.

Yep. Look at all the people who called that medium article a "good read." I was really really disappointed to see that. A lot of lack of critical thinking going on this board. Thankfully I know most Mississippians know to store food not toilet papers when they have to shack up for a week or two so they should know how to handle this incoming lockdown. But I'm really disappointed to see people constantly trying to undersell this. My grandparents finally listened to me. Didn't go to church today but watched online. Told them I'd watch with them.

For those with loved ones in the at-risk category, please encourage them to stay home. Get their groceries / food for them. Offer to do things like church with them remotely. Church is the big struggle right now and I know how difficult it can be to get them to give that up. Offer to do bible study and watch remotely with them. No way God looks down on them for staying at home.

[Dawg2003]

9,373 new cases and 118 deaths in the past 24 hours in the US

Yesterday: 4,825 new cases and 46 deaths

That's making me nervous.

[chef dixon]

Tomorrow will be very important to see if Italy's numbers trend in the right direction again. Could give us a guess on how long till it peaks.

[BeardoMSU]

9,373 new cases and 118 deaths in the past 24 hours in the US

Yesterday: 4,825 new cases and 46 deaths

My God.

[starkvegasdawg]

Tomorrow will be very important to see if Italy's numbers trend in the right direction again. Could give us a guess on how long till it peaks.

Thing is Italy actually started sheltering. We're still going on spring break and licking toilets.

[DownwardDawg]

That's making me nervous.

Me too. I reached out to MD Anderson today. As you all know, I'm a prostate cancer survivor. I've had 3 blood tests since my surgery and my PSA 0.0! That's great but I'm a couple weeks past due on my next blood test. I had to reschedule for April 6th in Hattiesburg. The last thing I want to do is sit in a doctors office that's in the hospital, then go to the lab where so many people go each day and have my blood drawn! MD Anderson told me "I'd be fine. I'm not a risk." I'm not too sure I'll be getting that test. I'll be nervous about the cancer but damn!!!

[Dawgology]

Me too. I reached out to MD Anderson today. As you all know, I'm a prostate cancer survivor. I've had 3 blood tests since my surgery and my PSA 0.0! That's great but I'm a couple weeks past due on my next blood test. I had to reschedule for April 6th in Hattiesburg. The last thing I want to do is sit in a doctors office that's in the hospital, then go to the lab where so many people go each day and have my blood drawn! MD Anderson told me "I'd be fine. I'm not a risk." I'm not too sure I'll be getting that test. I'll be nervous about the cancer but damn!!!

Be careful brother. Wear a face mask and nitrile/latex gloves if it makes you feel better and take hand cleanser with you. Who cares if people look at you sideways. Be careful.

[Homedawg]

9,373 new cases and 118 deaths in the past 24 hours in the US

Yesterday: 4,825 new cases and 46 deaths

Where are you getting this info. Because we've had over 5k new cases each day since Friday. And increasing. Just curious.

[hacker]

Where are you getting this info. Because we've had over 5k new cases each day since Friday. And increasing. Just curious.

Saw today's total on twitter and verified on worldometer.

I looked back at yesterday's total on worldometer.

I think the numbers may be slightly different depending on the source because worldometer uses GMT timezone for daily totals. Therefore, it cuts off around 7 or 8pm in the US. Not sure what time zone other places are using. That's why I try to say "in the past 24 hours"

[hacker]

Be careful brother. Wear a face mask and nitrile/latex gloves if it makes you feel better and take hand cleanser with you. Who cares if people look at you sideways. Be careful.

I have a feeling that stigma is going to be gone by April 6th

[Dawgcap]

Just a question, are the test accurate and if so why is there a 90% negative on current tests?

[Dawgology]

Saw today's total on twitter and verified on worldometer.

I looked back at yesterday's total on worldometer.

I think the numbers may be slightly different depending on the source because worldometer uses GMT timezone for daily totals. Therefore, it cuts off around 7 or 8pm in the US. Not sure what time zone other places are using. That's why I try to say "in the past 24 hours"

Yeah it's calculated by GMT and it makes the numbers funky sometimes. I've also noticed the bar graphs run about 12 hours behind and won't show the previous days numbers until late.

[Dawgology]

I expect the numbers to skyrocket this week with the number of tests they are putting out there. I know 10 new testing stations are opening is MS. I think an additional 2.5 million tests are being pushed out over this week.

[Maverick]

I've seen a lot of people on this board go political in some form or fashion. For the ones doing that what would you have asked our government to do differently? I'm not saying pick a side just what the heck was supposed to had been done.

It's my understanding they closed off travel to and from China early. Literally every other country is having problems with this. Why is it that our country gets blasted by its own people for not getting it right when nobody else has either?

Our testing procedure was obviously way too slow at first. That's being sped up more and more each day. People are freaking out every day that the numbers are grown. It's pretty simple to know that as testing becomes more available the numbers will go up more quickly. Also, only 10% of people taking the test are testing positive and 90% are negative.

Our private sector is getting involved here and I just don't feel like I've ever seen anything like this happen before. Private lab companies making tests, GM and Ford making ventilators, Hanes and 3M making masks. Who would've ever thought we were gonna need that from those companies? Heck I'll add the possibility of cruise lines, hotels, and schools being used as temporary hospitals....

Correct me if I wrong but it doesn't sound like there was much communication from China at all. It also sounds like China did a lot of things to make this seem like it wasn't so bad.

We all saw the stuff when it started there but they have 4 times the population there so it would be logical to think it could spread fast in an area so dense. Comparing our country to others is kind of like comparing apples to oranges.

I'm just trying to figure that out since some of y'all appear to be so smart....

[MoreCowbell]

Y?all are all idiots. Chill tf out

[deadheaddawg]

I've seen a lot of people on this board go political in some form or fashion. For the ones doing that what would you have asked our government to do differently?



Trump played down the severity in the beginning. Making it seem a lot less severe than it was. And it wasn't a big secret. The world knew this was severe. When we had our first cases he said it was going to be fine......south Korea had theirs at the same time and knew it was trouble and had been preparing. Media places like the BBC, PBS, NPR, ect were full of warnings from leading experts all over the world.

And so you have the president give the impression that we were going to be ok and it wasn't a big deal.....way after the fact that it was clear to those paying attention that it was.

So that is a big reason why we had so many people in this country running around saying it was "the media's fault" and it was "overblown"

Americans have not taken this seriously enough. They didn't act fast enough. We still are not doing a good job social distancing. And the attitude of the president plays a big role in that.

There are other issues that I think we end up reflecting poorly on him from a policy and behind the scenes standpoint, but in fairness I don't think we have all the info on those and it would just least to a political back and forth since that still an ongoing issue. We need to keep politics out as best we can

But since you asked, and since we have all seen what he has said publicly I think it's pretty clear he played it down in the beginning

[dantheman4248]

I've seen a lot of people on this board go political in some form or fashion. For the ones doing that what would you have asked our government to do differently? I'm not saying pick a side just what the heck was supposed to had been done.

It's my understanding they closed off travel to and from China early. Literally every other country is having problems with this. Why is it that our country gets blasted by its own people for not getting it right when nobody else has either?

Our testing procedure was obviously way too slow at first. That's being sped up more and more each day. People are freaking out every day that the numbers are grown. It's pretty simple to know that as testing becomes more available the numbers will go up more quickly. Also, only 10% of people taking the test are testing positive and 90% are negative.

Our private sector is getting involved here and I just don't feel like I've ever seen anything like this happen before. Private lab companies making tests, GM and Ford making ventilators, Haynes and 3M making masks. Who would've ever thought we were gonna need that from those companies? Heck I'll add the possibility of cruise lines, hotels, and schools being used as temporary hospitals....

Correct me if I wrong but it doesn't sound like there was much communication from China at all. It also sounds like China did a lot of things to make this seem like it wasn't so bad.

We all saw the stuff when it started there but they have 4 times the population there so it would be logical to think it could spread fast in an area so dense. Comparing our country to others is kind of like comparing apples to oranges.

I'm just trying to figure that out since some of y'all appear to be so smart....

Well, for starters, I would have liked him to not call it a hoax and say there's no problem for a full two months. I would like some actual decent human being policies being passed in response. Universal Basic Income for starters. Mandatory Paid Sick Leave. I mean jesus christ, the senators who make laws ASKED jeff bezos to provide sick leave. They literally help write the laws. ****ing tell him to provide it. They have that power. Beyond that, the fact that we turned down testing kits from other countries and had our leaders look for a way to help their friends be the ones providing testing kits, which are slower with results... just wow. Focused on the dollar instead of American lives. Don't even get me started on the insider trading bullshit. And then you loop back to the universal basic income where it's going off of 2018 tax returns? (HUH?... just give every American citizen $1k.) and poor people will get LESS??? (again double HUH?... just give every American citizen $1k.) Seriously. It's an easy policy and really hard to **** up. Give out that $1k free to every American (kid's $1k gets given to their parent.) Boom. The end.

Seriously. Every step of the way has been botched. Initial response was slow. They helped friends get out of stock market first. They voted against bills helping people. They ruined good ideas that will help people.

Now we're looking at Americans being royally ****ed on two fronts. 1, this thing has spread. 2, the economy is in disarray. Both of those things could have been prevented. At worst only 1 should have been ****ed up.

Lockdown everywhere as soon as there was spread. Isolate cases. Mass use other countries test kits. This would have prevented the spread. Economy would have had a mishap.

Let the thing go and run it's course completely. Airlines are the only economy really taking a dip. Act like it's just the flu and tell people to get over it. America churns as usual. (This is honestly what I expected and it would have happened had sports not stopped and said no.)

Since we had such a delayed response, the ****ing NBA had to do what our government wouldn't. Let that sink in. Sports handled this better than the government. They didn't worry about profits. They worried about people. Our government did the opposite.

Once people stop electing leaders who put their faith in god (and I do mean lowercase g, their god is money) and maybe put actual leaders who put their faith and policies centered around actual God then we'll have an America to be proud of again.

You can argue and say God doesn't like homosexuality and abortion and whatever else you associate with being a Democrat as anti-God, but tell me what the first ****ing commandment is. And tell me the money worshipping in this country doesn't break that. But yea, things like communism and socialism are the real Anti-God. Heaven doesn't have universal healthcare or basic income.

[MoreCowbell]

Trump played down the severity in the beginning. Making it seem a lot less severe than it was. And it wasn't a big secret. The world knew this was severe. When we had our first cases he said it was going to be fine......south Korea had theirs at the same time and knew it was trouble and had been preparing. Media places like the BBC, PBS, NPR, ect were full of warnings from leading experts all over the world.

And so you have the president give the impression that we were going to be ok and it wasn't a big deal.....way after the fact that it was clear to those paying attention that it was.

So that is a big reason why we had so many people in this country running around saying it was "the media's fault" and it was "overblown"

Americans have not taken this seriously enough. They didn't act fast enough. We still are not doing a good job social distancing. And the attitude of the president plays a big role in that.

There are other issues that I think we end up reflecting poorly on him from a policy and behind the scenes standpoint, but in fairness I don't think we have all the info on those and it would just least to a political back and forth since that still an ongoing issue. We need to keep politics out as best we can

But since you asked, and since we have all seen what he has said publicly I think it's pretty clear he played it down in the beginning

Dude you need to stfu. You are going crazy

[dantheman4248]

Dude you need to stfu. You are going crazy

12+8=18

See I can do ad hominem attacks too. If you're not going to contribute anything other than that to the thread why even join.

[Mjoelner34]

Well, for starters, I would have liked him to not call it a hoax and say there's no problem for a full two months...

Well, for starters he never said IT was a hoax. He said the democrats using it against him was going to be their next big hoax like Russia and Ukraine.
Where do you get the 2 full months thing? As of January 14th, the head of the World Health Organization stated there was no evidence of human to human transmission. We banned travel from China 2 weeks later at which time he was called a racist and xenophobic. Actually, on the 15th, we started warning Americans in China. So, obviously action taken and acknowledging the problem immediately after the W.H.O. stated there wasnt one.

Also, where do you get that poor people aren't going to get a check based on their 2018 tax return? Do you ever read articles or do you just look at the pictures? EVERY adult will get a check based on their 2018 tax return.. The less you made, the more likely you are to get the FULL amount. The initial plan I saw was for the full amount for anything under $55k with a gradual decrease until anyone over $99k didn't get anything. I'm not saying it was going to be those exact numbers but that's how it was structured. I say was because Schumer and his cronies killed it tonight.

[The Federalist Engineer]

By Select Nations: (By least population %, excluding China and Iran that are not credible)

(1) Japan 0.001
(2) Taiwan 0.001
(3) Canada 0.004
(4) UK 0.009
(5) USA 0.011

(6) S. Korea 0.017
(7) Sweden 0.019
(8) France 0.024
(9) Netherlands 0.025
(10) Germany 0.030

(11) Belgium 0.030
(12) Spain 0.067
(13) Italy 0.098

By selection of US States (Not ranked - just selected)

(a) Arizona 0.002
(b) Texas 0.002
(c) Alabama 0.003
(d) Ohio 0.003
(e) Nebraska 0.003
(f) Pennsylvania 0.004

Our State
Mississippi 0.007

New York 0.087 (16916 cases)
Washington 0.026 (1996 cases) ... 75% in Seattle Area
New Jersey 0.022 (1914 cases)

60% of cases in three US States.
47% of cases in about 6 counties in NYC Metro Area (NYC, Bergen, Essex, Westchester, Suffolk, Fairfield, Nassau)

[msstate7]

By Select Nations: (By least cases/population, excluding China and Iran that are not credible)

(1) Japan 0.001
(2) Taiwan 0.001
(3) Canada 0.004
(4) UK 0.009
(5) USA 0.011

(6) S. Korea 0.017
(7) Sweden 0.019
(8) France 0.024
(9) Netherlands 0.025
(10) Germany 0.030

(11) Belgium 0.030
(12) Spain 0.067
(13) Italy 0.098

By selection of US States (Not ranked - just selected)

(a) Arizona 0.002
(b) Texas 0.002
(c) Alabama 0.003
(d) Ohio 0.003
(e) Nebraska 0.003
(f) Pennsylvania 0.004

Our State
Mississippi 0.007

New York 0.087 (16916 cases)
Washington 0.026 (1996 cases) ... 75% in Seattle Area
New Jersey 0.022 (1914 cases)

60% of cases in three US States.
47% of cases in about 6 counties in NYC Metro Area (NYC, Bergen, Essex, Westchester, Suffolk, Fairfield, Nassau)

Ours (USA) is certainly rising though; we're at 106 per million currently. What I don't see is how we get to the 60-90 million Americans predicted, 17-25%. 170000-250000 cases per million is a long way off from 106 per million. Hell, Italy is being hammered, and they're only at 978 cases per million.

[hacker]

Spain reports 4,517 new cases of coronavirus and 462 new deaths since yesterday

Up to 6.6% fatality rate overall

570 coronavirus patients in Spain were admitted to the intensive care unit over the past 24 hours

[hacker]

I think one of the biggest differences in why Asian countries have been able to keep this under control is just experience. The SARS outbreak in 2002 really had an impact on the culture and the governments over there. That's when you started seeing Asians wearing masks all the time. And they don't wear masks to protect themselves.. they wear masks to keep others from getting sick. In their culture, you are considered irresponsible if you don't wear a mask when you're sick or have been around someone sick (or in general at a time like this).

1223218977570078721

For us, the response from our culture goes back to the childhood story The Little Boy Who Cried Wolf. For the past two decades, we've been hearing about SARS, MERS, Ebola, Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Mad Cow Disease, etc etc. For someone who isn't paying much attention to the numbers, it's easy to see why they think this isn't going to affect us. It just happens that there's a real wolf this time.

I wouldn't put the blame solely on the media for hyping those things up -- it's kind of their job to prepare us -- but have they gone too far in the past?

As far as response from the government, I definitely think we could've handled it better. One thing that isn't commonly known: the travel ban from China wasn't actually a full travel ban, for example. It routed flights from China to 11 US airports. Note that those 11 cities are all getting hit pretty hard right now.

Source: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/02/02/dhs-issues-supplemental-instructions-inbound-flights-individuals-who-have-been-china

But regardless of who was in office or what the policies were, I think we were going to be in trouble anyway because of our lack of experience. I bet we don't take it lightly next time.

[StateDawg44]

Dude you need to stfu. You are going crazy


Just let them have this thread. It's giving them something to do I guess.

They act like it's impossible to not post numbers and stats while keeping a level head and doing your part to not spread it. If you act civil and are still aware of what's going on, yet you aren't casting out "we are all screwed" statements then you just don't get it and you're an idiot and too obtuse to understand what is REALLY ACTUALLY going on. They are the only ones in MS who understand the severity of this so don't even try to respond. You will get attacked and be blamed for the problem that you can't begin to fathom is taking place.

There are in fact a few on here who are saying this is nothing and they are downplaying it. But the vast majority of people responding to the ones who are really pumping the fear are simply saying calm down and just see how this plays out without making predictions that may or may not play out that way. The problem most people have, including me, are these people stating things so matter of factly when it's just not possible to actually know beyond a shadow of a doubt. It's just casting out fear. Yes, they are predictions. Yes, they may wind up being right. But what good is it doing? They aren't reaching the masses, that's for sure. And they damn sure aren't accomplishing what I'm assuming they are attempting to do in trying to convince people to take it seriously. They just get defensive and act like if you aren't freaking out and screaming from the rooftops then you are totally dismissing it and you are the problem here. There is actually room to fall between these two scenarios they love to paint. And that's ok. Most people realize this.

But arguing with them is pointless. Let them scream and throw a fit. I'll just keep on living my life and practicing hygiene and social distancing since that's all we as normal citizens can really do for now.

[dawgday166]

I don't claim to have the answers like some on here even at this time with more of a dataset (although still not comprehensive). "Critical" thinking tho requires surveying all aspects of the fallout from this. The data right at this very time suggests about 10 to 12% of folks are testing positive, and that's a sample from people getting tested that are supposed to be showing symptoms similar to COVID-19. If that holds then about 30 to 40 million people in US would get it. Of those, about 1.2 to 1.4% seem to be dying. That equates to about 560,000 deaths, which is very high. The vast majority of those are 60 to 80 years old +. Now they're trying to show data that young people are getting it at a higher rate, which may be true but they are surviving it for most part too.

Long term tho, a lot of those people in 60 to 80 range just got their retirement accounts destroyed. How do they live now? Millions of young folks may be out of jobs and for a good while too. How do they live .. how do they feed their children? It's easy to say "shut everything down" when you can telework and still have an income coming in.

According to Larry Kudlow last night (if I recall his numbers) the fed is talking about injecting as much as about 6 trillion into the economy overall. That's 30% of GDP and we're already spending like 110 to 120 % of GDP every year. Gonna have a debt of about $29 or so trillion. Sooner or later I'm thinking that's real money and the chickens have to come home to roost at some point.

My main point is ... the decisions aren't easy and they're not easy whether you're Trump, Obama, Hillary, or whoever is running the place. There are a LOT of factors to consider. You save some folks and devastate others. If you throw $6 trillion at the economy, someday someone has to pay for that. So you can bash whoever the decision makers are but the decisions aren't easy and any of them would make some mistakes along the way.

We're shutting down to a large extent. We won't know the overall results of doing that for a few years (or maybe more) down the road. A lot of younger folks with jobs in the industries that are shut down are terrified right now of a lot more than just COVID-19.

I don't have the answers and no one on this board does either. I figure Trump and his advisors are doing about as good a job as can be done. They've probably made some mistakes and it's easier to overlook media hysteria cause quite frankly, the majority of the media stays hysterical over some "next" catastrophic event. It's like the little boy who cried wolf. Sooner or later folks become numb to that.

As I said earlier too, the dataset isn't comprehensive. We're not getting a full picture of why Italy is so high, or why it's affecting some countries more than others. Maybe those countries aren't reporting the true impact (probable to some extent), but I'm also scratching my head why Washington State seems to have leveled off quickly, and NY is exploding. Certainly more folks in NY, but I also tend to think there are certain ethnic groups more susceptible to this too. But that isn't and will never be reported due to discrimination purposes, and rightfully so for the most part. There is a lot of data out there and hard to sort thru all that to get a clear, comprehensive picture of it, how it spreads, who is affected the most (other than seniors), etc. I also tend to believe this has been here longer than patient 0 in Wash St. I believe NY has had this for a while now, but it was just another strain of the flu till folks started getting tested.

[Dawgfan77]

Spain reports 4,517 new cases of coronavirus and 462 new deaths since yesterday

Up to 6.6% fatality rate overall

570 coronavirus patients in Spain were admitted to the intensive care unit over the past 24 hours

Not sure where your getting that info. According to this those countries are down
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[hacker]

Not sure where your getting that info. According to this those countries are down
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

What? What "countries"? I'm only talking about Spain. This was Spain's official numbers.

Down from what? The official numbers were 3,272 new cases and 391 deaths yesterday. Certainly not down.

[Dawgfan77]

What? What "countries"? I'm only talking about Spain. This was Spain's official numbers.

Down from what? The official numbers were 3,272 new cases and 391 deaths yesterday. Certainly not down.
If you looked at the link I sent (assumption I know) you can see that Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Switzerland & England, the six European countries with the largest viral outbreaks, all had declining total new daily cases and/or deaths in the past 24 hours.

By all means continue your agenda
You know what "pandemic" is short for??
Pan- panic. Demic- epidemic

All I'm saying is the info your posting isn't really matching up with what's actually happening

[dantheman4248]

Well, for starters he never said IT was a hoax. He said the democrats using it against him was going to be their next big hoax like Russia and Ukraine.
Where do you get the 2 full months thing? As of January 14th, the head of the World Health Organization stated there was no evidence of human to human transmission. We banned travel from China 2 weeks later at which time he was called a racist and xenophobic. Actually, on the 15th, we started warning Americans in China. So, obviously action taken and acknowledging the problem immediately after the W.H.O. stated there wasnt one.

Also, where do you get that poor people aren't going to get a check based on their 2018 tax return? Do you ever read articles or do you just look at the pictures? EVERY adult will get a check based on their 2018 tax return.. The less you made, the more likely you are to get the FULL amount. The initial plan I saw was for the full amount for anything under $55k with a gradual decrease until anyone over $99k didn't get anything. I'm not saying it was going to be those exact numbers but that's how it was structured. I say was because Schumer and his cronies killed it tonight.

He called it a hoax. That's the message he sent to the American people. You can argue semantics about what he was calling a hoax, but (as we have proven in this thread) the average american is not that smart. The message was sent that this was a liberal hoax to not take that serious. To quote Donny Boy, he was "WRONG."

I didn't say poor people weren't getting a check. I said the problem was that they would get LESS. I capitalized it in this post in hope you read it this time.

And again, why based on 2018? That doesn't solve the issue. There are so many people that misses. Imagine being someone who was in prison and paid their debt to society in 2018 or before. Then didn't get a job till 2019. Now their out a job and the government would have screwed them over.

And they didn't kill it from what I read. They forced tabling it until the afternoon. Seems there is specifics that don't sit right with them. They want the bill to be better for Americans. But no, the Democrats don't want you to get a check ��. They don't believe in UBI ��.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Those of you who continue to openly defend our tardy response to this are the real problem. The President continues his attempts to minimize and deflect because his base of followers (my estimate is 35%of the electorate.) will not accept reality. Rather than face the reality of a true medical crisis, some of you pop up when he speaks, become orgasmic at the sound of his voice, then bury your heads back in the sand when someone presents facts.
We F??D up and allowed ourselves to be blind sided by this crisis. Six to eight weeks ago, we had an opportunity to be proactive, but because of poor leadership, that opportunity was squandered. Those of you (fewer by the day, thankfully. ) who continue to prop up and enable the President are damn killing people. We need leadership just like we would have gotten from any previous President in recent memory, Democrat or Republican. Today, rather than leadership, we get buffoonery and some of you act as if that is perfectly okay.

[hacker]

If you looked at the link I sent (assumption I know) you can see that Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Switzerland & England, the six European countries with the largest viral outbreaks, all had declining total new daily cases and/or deaths in the past 24 hours.

By all means continue your agenda
You know what "pandemic" is short for??
Pan- panic. Demic- epidemic

All I'm saying is the info your posting isn't really matching up with what's actually happening

Those charts are not updated with the latest data. Check the date on the last bar. Look at the numbers.

And "pan-" means "all"

I mean, scroll to the bottom of the page here:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/

March 23 (GMT)
4321 new cases and 434 new deaths in Spain

[dantheman4248]

If you looked at the link I sent (assumption I know) you can see that Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Switzerland & England, the six European countries with the largest viral outbreaks, all had declining total new daily cases and/or deaths in the past 24 hours.

By all means continue your agenda
You know what "pandemic" is short for??
Pan- panic. Demic- epidemic

All I'm saying is the info your posting isn't really matching up with what's actually happening

He literally stated numbers from Spain. Not anywhere else. Spain and Italy are the two worst cases right now and their outbreaks are comparable to what we will likely see.

But yea man, the guy posting strictly numbers with no agenda has an agenda. Imagine. Pretty sure hacker just keeps reporting neutrally. Crazy how one side thinks it's panic posting. Almost like the side not based in reality believes facts have an agenda??

[msstate7]

He called it a hoax. That's the message he sent to the American people. You can argue semantics about what he was calling a hoax, but (as we have proven in this thread) the average american is not that smart. The message was sent that this was a liberal hoax to not take that serious. To quote Donny Boy, he was "WRONG."

I didn't say poor people weren't getting a check. I said the problem was that they would get LESS. I capitalized it in this post in hope you read it this time.

And again, why based on 2018? That doesn't solve the issue. There are so many people that misses. Imagine being someone who was in prison and paid their debt to society in 2018 or before. Then didn't get a job till 2019. Now their out a job and the government would have screwed them over.

And they didn't kill it from what I read. They forced tabling it until the afternoon. Seems there is specifics that don't sit right with them. They want the bill to be better for Americans. But no, the Democrats don't want you to get a check ��. They don't believe in UBI ��.

Here's the snopes on trump calling it a hoax
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/

[hacker]

He literally stated numbers from Spain. Not anywhere else. Spain and Italy are the two worst cases right now and their outbreaks are comparable to what we will likely see.

But yea man, the guy posting strictly numbers with no agenda has an agenda. Imagine. Pretty sure hacker just keeps reporting neutrally. Crazy how one side thinks it's panic posting. Almost like the side not based in reality believes facts have an agenda??

Just to add to this, I have no political allegiance. I don't vote. I'm an engineer and interested in stats and numbers. I am quite concerned for what could happen here based on the numbers. I do post good numbers and trends when I see them, but there hasn't been a whole lot of that to post yet.

[Dawgfan77]

He literally stated numbers from Spain. Not anywhere else. Spain and Italy are the two worst cases right now and their outbreaks are comparable to what we will likely see.

But yea man, the guy posting strictly numbers with no agenda has an agenda. Imagine. Pretty sure hacker just keeps reporting neutrally. Crazy how one side thinks it's panic posting. Almost like the side not based in reality believes facts have an agenda??

My last post on this subject. Namely cause some of y'all are so left wing it's unbearable

I will not let fear dictate how I live my life. I will be cautious and observant but not fearful. I have lost a parent, I have a parent with underlying health issues and I have lost grandparents so I am not immune to loss of loved ones or concern for loved ones.
I also understand that we are in a far better place from healthcare, leadership, and hygiene than China, Italy and other countries. I also know that more people that are tested that more people will test positive and a large majority of them will be fine and some will not
I lift those up and those family's up in thoughts that won't be ok. But as a relatively healthy 42 year old in MS I won't allow myself be consumed by something that has a less mortality rate than auto accidents, seasonal flue, cancer, or other epidemics in this world. If we all reacted this way to other diseases we face everyday how would this world even function

Feel free to bash me I don't care. I just refuse to live in fear

[Extendedcab]

Just to add to this, I have no political allegiance. I don't vote. I'm an engineer and interested in stats and numbers. I am quite concerned for what could happen here based on the numbers. I do post good numbers and trends when I see them, but there hasn't been a whole lot of that to post yet.

As I wrote in a previous post, the problem with posting all the official numbers is that the official numbers of total cases do not account for all of the people who do not meet the criteria to even be tested. The total number of reported cases is skewed - to small - which makes the death rate seem larger than it actually is.

I am not saying that we should not take precautions but the death rate is not as high as they make it out to be - percentage of TOTAL cases that is.

[Dolphus Raymond]

So anyone who who sees this situation for what it is, a national health crisis, is ?left wing?? That comment sir, validated my premise 100%. Good God.

[hacker]

As I wrote in a previous post, the problem with posting all the official numbers is that the official numbers of total cases do not account for all of the people who do not meet the criteria to even be tested. The total number of reported cases is skewed - to small - which makes the death rate seem larger than it actually is.

I am not saying that we should not take precautions but the death rate is not as high as they make it out to be - percentage of TOTAL cases that is.

I agree that the death rate is probably actually quite lower than their numbers show, especially considering asymptomatic cases. But what is worrisome is the numbers continue to grow. Regardless of if it's a 1% or a 9% death rate in Italy, the fact of the matter is that based on the numbers they gave us a week ago and the numbers we got yesterday, the death rate continues to grow. Last week when I first posted Italy's numbers, they had a 6.9% death rate. Now they're up to 9.3%. Italy has had around 40% more total deaths over the past two days than on an average day a year ago.

This ain't the flu.

[msstate7]

I agree that the death rate is probably actually quite lower than their numbers show, especially considering asymptomatic cases. But what is worrisome is the numbers continue to grow. Regardless of if it's a 1% or a 9% death rate in Italy, the fact of the matter is that based on the numbers they gave us a week ago and the numbers we got yesterday, the death rate continues to grow. Last week when I first posted Italy's numbers, they had a 6.9% death rate. Now they're up to 9.3%. Italy has had around 40% more total deaths over the past two days than on an average day a year ago.

This ain't the flu.

Saw this on Italy death rate...

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/03/21/so-thats-why-italys-coronavirus-death-rate-is-so-high-n2565445

Who knows how valid it is

[hacker]

Here are some good numbers for y'all

MS up to 249 cases, only 42 cases reported yesterday. Down from 60 and 67 the previous two days.

[msstate7]

Here are some good numbers for y'all

MS up to 249 cases, only 42 cases reported yesterday. Down from 60 and 67 the previous two days.

Wish each report like this gave tests administered also

[hacker]

Saw this on Italy death rate...

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/03/21/so-thats-why-italys-coronavirus-death-rate-is-so-high-n2565445

Who knows how valid it is

Interesting. But considering they've had to call in the army trucks for the bodies, there's still anecdotal evidence of a huge surge in deaths.

Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOrDFNVNyMI

That video put it in perspective for me a while back

[dawgday166]

Saw this on Italy death rate...

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/03/21/so-thats-why-italys-coronavirus-death-rate-is-so-high-n2565445

Who knows how valid it is

Dude ... if you buy into that your "critical thinking" skills are severely limited *****

[hacker]

Wish each report like this gave tests administered also

They actually update that number later in the day and it's not fully accurate because they only count the tests administered by MSDH. There are tests being administered by private facilities that aren't getting counted in the total.

[msstate7]

Interesting. But considering they've had to call in the army trucks for the bodies, there's still anecdotal evidence of a huge surge in deaths.

Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOrDFNVNyMI

Deaths are certainly up, but it could be in combination with the flu. They reported 488,000 new cases of flu in mid-January.

https://ilglobo.com/news/italy-reports-almost-500000-cases-of-the-flu-within-a-week-46676/

[shoeless joe]

Here are some good numbers for y'all

MS up to 249 cases, only 42 cases reported yesterday. Down from 60 and 67 the previous two days.

Interesting.

I do think the term “new cases” is misleading. These cases aren’t new they’re just instances where someone got a positive test. They could have had it for over a week.

[msstate7]

They actually update that number later in the day and it's not fully accurate because they only count the tests administered by MSDH. There are tests being administered by private facilities that aren't getting counted in the total.
Thanks.

Hard to take too much away from cases confirmed then till we see if tests were equal or positive %

[hacker]

Interesting.

I do think the term “new cases” is misleading. These cases aren’t new they’re just instances where someone got a positive test. They could have had it for over a week.

Yeah, for sure. We've got about a week of lag between when the tests were administered and results coming back. "Newly reported cases" is probably a better phrase.

[Dawgology]

Dude ... if you buy into that your "critical thinking" skills are severely limited *****

I think you have to take a measured approach. You need to pay attention to this type of article as much as you pay attention to raw numbers to truly understand a situation like this. Social culture, excess mortality, health services, lifestyle, national policy, and may other things fold into death rates during a pandemic or any major viral outbreak.

I've posted several times that Italy is one of the highest hit countries when it comes to seasonal flu. So much so that it has been studied very extensively by the medical community. They had a seasonal flu epidemic in December 2019 and early January of this year that impacted 2.5 million there and led to hundereds of thousands of hospitalizations. That is NOT to make light of the current pandemic. Just some facts to fold in to this puzzling Italy problem.

[hacker]

I think you have to take a measured approach. You need to pay attention to this type of article as much as you pay attention to raw numbers to truly understand a situation like this. Social culture, excess mortality, health services, lifestyle, national policy, and may other things fold into death rates during a pandemic or any major viral outbreak.

I've posted several times that Italy is one of the highest hit countries when it comes to seasonal flu. So much so that it has been studied very extensively by the medical community. They had a seasonal flu epidemic in December 2019 and early January of this year that impacted 2.5 million there and led to hundereds of thousands of hospitalizations. That is NOT to make light of the current pandemic. Just some facts to fold in to this puzzling Italy problem.

What about Spain? (Serious question, I honestly have no idea.)

Their numbers are rapidly approaching Italy's.

[dantheman4248]

My last post on this subject. Namely cause some of y'all are so left wing it's unbearable

I will not let fear dictate how I live my life. I will be cautious and observant but not fearful. I have lost a parent, I have a parent with underlying health issues and I have lost grandparents so I am not immune to loss of loved ones or concern for loved ones.
I also understand that we are in a far better place from healthcare, leadership, and hygiene than China, Italy and other countries. I also know that more people that are tested that more people will test positive and a large majority of them will be fine and some will not
I lift those up and those family's up in thoughts that won't be ok. But as a relatively healthy 42 year old in MS I won't allow myself be consumed by something that has a less mortality rate than auto accidents, seasonal flue, cancer, or other epidemics in this world. If we all reacted this way to other diseases we face everyday how would this world even function

Feel free to bash me I don't care. I just refuse to live in fear

I refuse to live in fear of walking on lava barefoot when I could just walk on the bridge above it wearing shoes. High five man. We're both badasses.

There is fear and panic (buying obscene amounts of toilet paper) which is stupid. There is being brazenly courageous (ignoring everything despite blatant obvious to the contrary and doing it your way because you're a manly man.) which is stupid.

There's a gray area in between we should all be operating. Wash your hands and protect your loved ones at risk. Don't be ashamed to wear a mask / gloves in public. (Please understand how to properly use gloves if you do. Don't just believe wearing gloves all the time solves it.)

This disease has killed more Italians than Americans that died in 9/11. We responded to that pretty seriously even though your chances of dying in an act of terrorism are lower than all the things you listed.

No one is saying to be a hermit. All I'm saying is we botched this and now there is no redeeming qualities about this presidency as the proverbial house of cards that was our economy built under Trump cane crashing down. By May we're not going to have anything positive to show for his presidency. And think, he could have been 100X more proactive and possibly prevented the incoming recession.

Also I really don't get why wanting poor people to have a basic income and the rich to be taxed more is such a point of contentious debate in Mississippi. That shit doesn't hurt hardly anyone in this state. Sorry I care more about people having the ability to live under a roof and feed their kids over two men kissing. If that makes me "too left-wing" for you, look in the damn mirror and get your priorities straight.

[dawgday166]

I think you have to take a measured approach. You need to pay attention to this type of article as much as you pay attention to raw numbers to truly understand a situation like this. Social culture, excess mortality, health services, lifestyle, national policy, and may other things fold into death rates during a pandemic or any major viral outbreak.

I've posted several times that Italy is one of the highest hit countries when it comes to seasonal flu. So much so that it has been studied very extensively by the medical community. They had a seasonal flu epidemic in December 2019 and early January of this year that impacted 2.5 million there and led to hundereds of thousands of hospitalizations. That is NOT to make light of the current pandemic. Just some facts to fold in to this puzzling Italy problem.

I agree. And my point with my last 2 posts is there are many variables that we're unaware of at this point as to how bad this can become. There's no real data that is "absolute" out there. There is a lot of data from a lot of different sources and it's quite difficult to correlate due to the disparate methods countries are using in reporting (or not) their individual data.

And we're also at the point where pointing fingers after the fact serves no real purpose either.

[dantheman4248]

Here's the snopes on trump calling it a hoax
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/

Yea that's about what I said. He didn't flatly call the virus itself a hoax, but he called the liberal response to it a hoax and drummed up his base to treat it as such.

Honestly his super germophobia has helped him stay healthy here. Wish more people would emulate that quality of him in this crisis.

[msstate7]

What about Spain? (Serious question, I honestly have no idea.)

Their numbers are rapidly approaching Italy's.

All my flu searches on Spain pull up the Spanish flu, so who knows. Maybe someone can find something... I wanna know too

[turkish]

Mods, can we please get a purge of those not following the NO POLITICS rule?

[DownwardDawg]

So anyone who who sees this situation for what it is, a national health crisis, is ?left wing?? That comment sir, validated my premise 100%. Good God.

No. Man, I hate getting political, but you are blinded by your hatred. You and most of the vocal folks on this thread. Hell, even democratic governors are saying the President is doing a good job. He absolutely made mistakes but you obviously aren?t watching the daily press conferences if you think he is downplaying this.

[Commercecomet24]

Mods, can we please get purge of those not following the NO POLITICS rule?

Yes, Please! This has turned into a point/counterpoint thread.

[DownwardDawg]

Mods, can we please get purge of those not following the NO POLITICS rule?

It’s time to kill this entire thread. It’s not helping anything.

[Cloak]

Can we make a thread with facts only, and no opinions?

Only problem is that some people don't understand the difference.

[StateDawg44]

I refuse to live in fear of walking on lava barefoot when I could just walk on the bridge above it wearing shoes. High five man. We're both badasses.

There is fear and panic (buying obscene amounts of toilet paper) which is stupid. There is being brazenly courageous (ignoring everything despite blatant obvious to the contrary and doing it your way because you're a manly man.) which is stupid.

There's a gray area in between we should all be operating. Wash your hands and protect your loved ones at risk. Don't be ashamed to wear a mask / gloves in public. (Please understand how to properly use gloves if you do. Don't just believe wearing gloves all the time solves it.)

This disease has killed more Italians than Americans that died in 9/11. We responded to that pretty seriously even though your chances of dying in an act of terrorism are lower than all the things you listed.

No one is saying to be a hermit. All I'm saying is we botched this and now there is no redeeming qualities about this presidency as the proverbial house of cards that was our economy built under Trump cane crashing down. By May we're not going to have anything positive to show for his presidency. And think, he could have been 100X more proactive and possibly prevented the incoming recession.

Also I really don't get why wanting poor people to have a basic income and the rich to be taxed more is such a point of contentious debate in Mississippi. That shit doesn't hurt hardly anyone in this state. Sorry I care more about people having the ability to live under a roof and feed their kids over two men kissing. If that makes me "too left-wing" for you, look in the damn mirror and get your priorities straight.


You are so caught up in the politics of this it's pathetic

The only way we as a country could've been fully prepared for this is if Obama's administration started preparing for this which would've required predicting the future. Good luck with that.

Trump-bashing is so stupid and beside the point here. And believe me, I am no Trump supporter so spare me that speech. I don't vote like Hacker and I certainly don't complain about politics because I respect that I give that right up by not voting and I'm ok with that. Politicians don't give a damn about the people that voted them in. It all becomes who can line my pockets and who do I owe or who has dirty laundry on me.

You are just taking the easy road out and saying someone... anyone else could've done better. You are just too blinded with hate to accept that this doesn't fall on one person and their decisions the made early on. Right or wrong. Before you do it, let me stop you before you assume which side of this I fall on. Because you have no clue so just stop.

Why are you bringing up poor and rich people being taxed? Because you're pathetically blinded with the politics in all of this. Plain and simple. No need to try to explain. It's glaringly obvious.

[hacker]

People of note who tested positive in past 24 hours:
- Rand Paul
- Harvey Weinstein
- Amy Klobuchar's husband (hospitalized)

Quarantined due to exposure to someone infected:
- Mitt Romney
- Angela Merkel

[KOdawg1]

Can we make a thread with facts only, and no opinions?

Only problem is that some people don't understand the difference.

Exactly.

We get it, some of you don't like Trump and the way it was handled. We understand. Guess what? You can't change it regardless of if you agree with it or not. All we can do is look forward and discuss how we're going to get through this thing. And we will get through this regardless of the "we're all gonna die" mentality that I've seen here by some. Really wish the mods would enforce what they say in the thread's title.

[BrunswickDawg]

You are so caught up in the politics of this it's pathetic

The only way we as a country could've been fully prepared for this is if Obama's administration started preparing for this which would've required predicting the future. Good luck with that.

Trump-bashing is so stupid and beside the point here. And believe me, I am no Trump supporter so spare me that speech. I don't vote like Hacker and I certainly don't complain about politics because I respect that I give that right up by not voting and I'm ok with that. Politicians don't give a damn about the people that voted them in. It all becomes who can line my pockets and who do I owe or who has dirty laundry on me.

You are just taking the easy road out and saying someone... anyone else could've done better. You are just too blinded with hate to accept that this doesn't fall on one person and their decisions the made early on. Right or wrong. Before you do it, let me stop you before you assume which side of this I fall on. Because you have no clue so just stop.

Why are you bringing up poor and rich people being taxed? Because you're pathetically blinded with the politics in all of this. Plain and simple. No need to try to explain. It's glaringly obvious.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/488069-obama-officials-walked-trump-aides-through-global-pandemic-exercise-in-2017

[hacker]

Delaware, Ohio, Louisiana, and now Michigan have issued stay at home orders since yesterday, basically shutting down the entire economy. California, NY, Pennsylvania did the same last week. I imagine ours is coming soon.

[Liverpooldawg]

They actually update that number later in the day and it's not fully accurate because they only count the tests administered by MSDH. There are tests being administered by private facilities that aren't getting counted in the total.

That number DOES include outside labs. It specifically states that on the website.

[KOdawg1]

Here are the latest numbers from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ but I think some of this is skewed.

Global death rate: 4.3%

US death rate: 1.3%

They say that 5% of the total cases are severe/critical while the rest are mild. Like another poster said, some of the cases from certain countries are all being dumped in the mild bucket, so in reality, the percentage of severe cases is probably a bit higher.

Out of the resolved cases, 13% of the cases have resulted in death, but I think this number is off too. I think people that recover from it aren't being entered into the system accurately, making that number much lower in reality. For example, the US only has 184 totally recovered people out of 35k cases. I don't believe that for a second. So what I'm trying to say is take these numbers with a grain of salt.

[Liverpooldawg]

A note on the Italian death rate. They are not testing anyone under 30 and haven't been for some time.

[BeardoMSU]

Delaware, Ohio, Louisiana, and now Michigan have issued stay at home orders since yesterday, basically shutting down the entire economy. California, NY, Pennsylvania did the same last week. I imagine ours is coming soon.

Wonder how many of those states, like Michigan, will allow for large group exceptions (such as church)...

[Liverpooldawg]

It’s time to kill this entire thread. It’s not helping anything.

Yep.

[hacker]

That number DOES include outside labs. It specifically states that on the website.

Where? I see:

"Total individuals tested for COVID-19: 1,392

As of March 22, 2020. Includes testing by the MSDH Public Health Laboratory only."

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

What about Spain? (Serious question, I honestly have no idea.)

Their numbers are rapidly approaching Italy's.


All my flu searches on Spain pull up the Spanish flu, so who knows. Maybe someone can find something... I wanna know too

If the reason Italy spiraled out of control is due to the healthcare system being overwhelmed, then I'd say Spain could already be getting to that point as well. Their critical care capacity is even smaller than Italy's

I've already posted this picture a few times but here it is again:
https://sccm.org/sccm/media/main/United-States-Resource-Availablity-for-COVID-19-Fig1.jpg

And a wikipedia link for more charts to play around with:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds

Interestingly, Germany's >65 population % is right behind Italy's (23% vs 21%), yet their mortality is still only at 0.4% this week. I don't know what measures Germany has taken besides pretty vigorous testing early on, but to me, that lends more support to critical care capacity and not overwhelming it being the key between a good response a bad response. Luckily for us, I assume that means things have to get much worse here than they did in Italy before it reaches that point for us, since we have 3x the capacity before we're overwhelmed. It would probably be more effective to look at critical care capacity per capita by state considering the size of the US, but a quick google search didn't yield anything for me.

[StateDawg44]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/488069-obama-officials-walked-trump-aides-through-global-pandemic-exercise-in-2017

This doesn't say they were in the process of proactively preparing supplies and Trump's administration brought it to a halt. Just that they warned this could happen. Well no shit. That's no different than what I learned in history classes when talking about the Spanish flu and basic common sense. That is what a pandemic is.

That doesn't mean anything. Obviously a pandemic could happen in the future. Just like another will happen after this one at some point. So all that article says is the previous administration just passed the buck to the next one. Just like GWB did to Obama. See how that works?

[ZedFedder]

Be in prayer for David Johnson of the Ole Miss 247 site. He tested positive and is in the hospital.

[KOdawg1]

Be in prayer for David Johnson of the Ole Miss 247 site. He tested positive and is in the hospital.

I saw that. As far as OM people go, David's a good guy. Prayers for him and his family.

[Extendedcab]

I refuse to live in fear of walking on lava barefoot when I could just walk on the bridge above it wearing shoes. High five man. We're both badasses.

There is fear and panic (buying obscene amounts of toilet paper) which is stupid. There is being brazenly courageous (ignoring everything despite blatant obvious to the contrary and doing it your way because you're a manly man.) which is stupid.

There's a gray area in between we should all be operating. Wash your hands and protect your loved ones at risk. Don't be ashamed to wear a mask / gloves in public. (Please understand how to properly use gloves if you do. Don't just believe wearing gloves all the time solves it.)

This disease has killed more Italians than Americans that died in 9/11. We responded to that pretty seriously even though your chances of dying in an act of terrorism are lower than all the things you listed.

No one is saying to be a hermit. All I'm saying is we botched this and now there is no redeeming qualities about this presidency as the proverbial house of cards that was our economy built under Trump cane crashing down. By May we're not going to have anything positive to show for his presidency. And think, he could have been 100X more proactive and possibly prevented the incoming recession.

Also I really don't get why wanting poor people to have a basic income and the rich to be taxed more is such a point of contentious debate in Mississippi. That shit doesn't hurt hardly anyone in this state. Sorry I care more about people having the ability to live under a roof and feed their kids over two men kissing. If that makes me "too left-wing" for you, look in the damn mirror and get your priorities straight.

Ahhh, now your true motive is revealed - it is political, you are a socialist and believe the government is the source of all goods and services. Trump, being a capitalist and a believer in a free market and individual freedoms where a man/woman can achieve whatever they put their minds and efforts to, you hate him and ridicule him regardless of what he does. It is better to teach a man how to fish than to perpetually give him a fish - except for short period of time through a particular hardship - for the rest of their life and the lives of their kids and grand kids to boot. Look at history and see that welfare, other than as a temporary pick me up, is a total failure as we have multi-generational welfare recipients and they have no clue how to get out of this situation. Part of our government, and you, don't want them to get out - it is all about the vote and power - sell the US down the drain. You are taking away the self worth of a person and telling them they are nothing but trash not worthy of thinking and making a living based on their own merits. This is nothing more than redistribution of wealth - a socialist/communist agenda.

Do not tell me it is because they are poor that they can not learn or get out of poverty. I was born in southwest Mississippi in a 3 room tar paper shack on the Mississippi river. We had no running water in the house except for the kitchen sink that had water from a rain barrel. We had no bathroom, but only an outhouse abut 60 yards behind the house and a keep pot in the bedroom in case you had to go during the night. I took a bath on the from porch in a number 3 wash tub.

How did I get out of poverty? It is because my parents rode my ass every day and told me I WAS going to college and I WAS going to chose a major that society paid well and by the grace of God I did. They made me study and they instilled in me a sense of discipline and a do not take no for an answer attitude. It has served me well. I became an electrical engineer and have had a wonderful career in technology - computer oriented. Government was not the answer, parents are! Everybody does not have to be an engineer, but they can elevate themselves to something that gives them a level of self respect and a means to EARN a living! And no, I did not go to private school, but to the same public school everybody else goes to.

Why do you want to take that opportunity, and responsibility, away from those on welfare today?

If you think socialism is so GREAT, then go live in Venezuela or Russia and see what that form of government truly means. You will not like it!

You are a piece of work with your elitist attitude. Take it somewhere else. Our founding fathers and those who have died defending our freedoms would roll over in their graves hearing the crap you are postering.

[hacker]

1800 people attend church service in Louisiana yesterday
https://www.brproud.com/health/coronavirus/central-church-hosts-1800-people-amid-covid-19-outbreak/

[Dawgology]

1800 people attend church service in Louisiana yesterday
https://www.brproud.com/health/coronavirus/central-church-hosts-1800-people-amid-covid-19-outbreak/

SMH....

[hacker]

If the reason Italy spiraled out of control is due to the healthcare system being overwhelmed, then I'd say Spain could already be getting to that point as well. Their critical care capacity is even smaller than Italy's

Interestingly, Germany's >65 population % is right behind Italy's (23% vs 21%), yet their mortality is still only at 0.4% this week. I don't know what measures Germany has taken besides pretty vigorous testing early on, but to me, that lends more support to critical care capacity and not overwhelming it being the key between a good response a bad response. Luckily for us, I assume that means things have to get much worse here than they did in Italy before it reaches that point for us, since we have 3x the capacity before we're overwhelmed. It would probably be more effective to look at critical care capacity per capita by state considering the size of the US, but a quick google search didn't yield anything for me.

Good post, I definitely believe the fatality rate is based on the quality of care patients receive. It's not just about hospital beds either. Doctors and nurses getting infected, ratio of patients to doctors/nurses, fatigue, etc.

[defiantdog]

1800 people attend church service in Louisiana yesterday
https://www.brproud.com/health/coronavirus/central-church-hosts-1800-people-amid-covid-19-outbreak/

Natural selection

[deadheaddawg]

1800 people attend church service in Louisiana yesterday
https://www.brproud.com/health/coronavirus/central-church-hosts-1800-people-amid-covid-19-outbreak/
So stupid.

[StateDawg44]

Good post, I definitely believe the fatality rate is based on the quality of care patients receive. It's not just about hospital beds either. Doctors and nurses getting infected, ratio of patients to doctors/nurses, fatigue, etc.

How do you measure the fatality rate when there are so many people who flat out get turned down testing and told to go home?

We don't even have a constant on infected.

[Maverick]

I smell what y'all are stepping in and I can agree with that but as stated many times over and over again Americans as a whole down play everything until it hits home for themselves. A prime example of this is spring breakers on the Florida beach long after the shit had already hit the fan. Again, they banned travel to and from China early on.... If that is the only issue you have I'm not seeing where it changes much. Were they not criticized for banning travel to and from China? Now you think they should have shut down travel all over the world? The WHO didn't even declare it a pandemic until March 11th and that was just 12 days ago.

The rest of the crap about checks and all that bull is just politics, that doesn't change the outcome of the virus. Pass the damn law and get Americans some money and that goes for BOTH sides. We have a bunch of whinny baby kids running America who can't work with each other. Both sides need to cut the shit.

Again, who really thought it was going to come to the point it's at? There's little comments the Doctor has made that lead me to believe there is some truth to the fact that China down played this. It sounds like they wouldn't let us help, said everything was under control, and we didn't get to see what was going on early.

It's easy to look back in hindsight and say what should or shouldn't have been done but it also looks like our previous policies and procedures were not well equipped for something of this magnitude. That was only magnified if it's true that China did in fact do what I stated above.

[hacker]

How do you measure the fatality rate when there are so many people who flat out get turned down testing and told to go home?

We don't even have a constant on infected.

I don't think the % is that important. It's all over the place in different countries and we don't really know why. We can use the % to try to figure out how many people are going to die, but ultimately, we aren't going to know until this is over.

The total number of deaths is what's important. My point was more "how many people will die is based on quality of care they receive"

[dantheman4248]

Ahhh, now your true motive is revealed - it is political, you are a socialist and believe the government is the source of all goods and services. Trump, being a capitalist and a believer in a free market and individual freedoms where a man/woman can achieve whatever they put their minds and efforts to, you hate him and ridicule him regardless of what he does. It is better to teach a man how to fish than to perpetually give him a fish - except for short period of time through a particular hardship - for the rest of their life and the lives of their kids and grand kids to boot. Look at history and see that welfare, other than as a temporary pick me up, is a total failure as we have multi-generational welfare recipients and they have no clue how to get out of this situation. Part of our government, and you, don't want them to get out - it is all about the vote and power - sell the US down the drain. You are taking away the self worth of a person and telling them they are nothing but trash not worthy of thinking and making a living based on their own merits. This is nothing more than redistribution of wealth - a socialist/communist agenda.

Do not tell me it is because they are poor that they can not learn or get out of poverty. I was born in southwest Mississippi in a 3 room tar paper shack on the Mississippi river. We had no running water in the house except for the kitchen sink that had water from a rain barrel. We had no bathroom, but only an outhouse abut 60 yards behind the house and a keep pot in the bedroom in case you had to go during the night. I took a bath on the from porch in a number 3 wash tub.

How did I get out of poverty? It is because my parents rode my ass every day and told me I WAS going to college and I WAS going to chose a major that society paid well and by the grace of God I did. They made me study and they instilled in me a sense of discipline and a do not take no for an answer attitude. It has served me well. I became an electrical engineer and have had a wonderful career in technology - computer oriented. Government was not the answer, parents are! Everybody does not have to be an engineer, but they can elevate themselves to something that gives them a level of self respect and a means to EARN a living! And no, I did not go to private school, but to the same public school everybody else goes to.

Why do you want to take that opportunity, and responsibility, away from those on welfare today?

If you think socialism is so GREAT, then go live in Venezuela or Russia and see what that form of government truly means. You will not like it!

You are a piece of work with your elitist attitude. Take it somewhere else. Our founding fathers and those who have died defending our freedoms would roll over in their graves hearing the crap you are postering.

I got out of poverty much the same way, bud. My parents filed bankruptcy while I was in high school, but now I've got multiple engineering degrees and a recession/pandemic proof job. Being someone who battled out of poverty and dealt with those hardships, do you not want people to NOT have to deal with that? To not have their kids be embarrassed to ask for money to go to a movie? Idk man, I got myself in a steady place. I'm happy with where I'm personally at.

I don't want full on communism because it never works. (see: venezuela and russia and every other instance in history.) Its problem isn't far too different than what we have now. That the ruling class (in capitalism, the elite rich) controls everything and they are corrupt.

But why can't we have similar universal healthcare to Canada at least. No one is saying be ridiculously drastic. I just don't want poor people to have to go through what I went through. There's no perfect cure-all, but you can't tell me there's not something better than what we're doing.

So what if there are people who don't want to help themselves or "can't get out of this situation." My goal isn't that. My goal is to eliminate that situation altogether. With the advances we've made in automation, there's no need for every american to work 40 backbreaking hours every week. You certainly could if you wanted, but society is heading to a place we've never been where we don't need humans to do everything.

[StateDawg44]

I don't think the % is that important. It's all over the place in different countries and we don't really know why. We can use the % to try to figure out how many people are going to die, but ultimately, we aren't going to know until this is over.

The total number of deaths is what's important. My point was more "how many people will die is based on quality of care they receive"


Then how do you rely so heavily on the stats you post.

I'm honestly not trying to flame you. I'm trying to understand the reasoning of the daily barrage of graphs and stats. Especially when you prop up your posts using them.

[StateDawg44]

I got out of poverty much the same way, bud. My parents filed bankruptcy while I was in high school, but now I've got multiple engineering degrees and a recession/pandemic proof job. Being someone who battled out of poverty and dealt with those hardships, do you not want people to NOT have to deal with that? To not have their kids be embarrassed to ask for money to go to a movie? Idk man, I got myself in a steady place. I'm happy with where I'm personally at.

I don't want full on communism because it never works. (see: venezuela and russia and every other instance in history.) Its problem isn't far too different than what we have now. That the ruling class (in capitalism, the elite rich) controls everything and they are corrupt.

But why can't we have similar universal healthcare to Canada at least. No one is saying be ridiculously drastic. I just don't want poor people to have to go through what I went through. There's no perfect cure-all, but you can't tell me there's not something better than what we're doing.

So what if there are people who don't want to help themselves or "can't get out of this situation." My goal isn't that. My goal is to eliminate that situation altogether. With the advances we've made in automation, there's no need for every american to work 40 backbreaking hours every week. You certainly could if you wanted, but society is heading to a place we've never been where we don't need humans to do everything.


Is the bolded a serious question? Hahaha what a joke.


Universal healthcare like Canada??? So we have an expiration date on helathcare and be told sorry, someone else is more important?

Do you not see how contradictory this is and not to mention how polar opposite and white people problems the movie question is. Gracious.

[Liverpooldawg]

Where? I see:

"Total individuals tested for COVID-19: 1,392

As of March 22, 2020. Includes testing by the MSDH Public Health Laboratory only."

Right under the map. It states quite clearly that outside labs are also reporting positives to them, they are required too. The number of tests done is not required to be reported. Sorry to throw a little water on your fire. Just calm down.

[hacker]

Right under the map. It states quite clearly that outside labs are also reporting positives to them, they are required too. The number of tests done is not required to be reported. Sorry to throw a little water on your fire. Just calm down.

If you go back to the original question, 7 was asking about # of tests administered, not the positives.

[Extendedcab]

I got out of poverty much the same way, bud. My parents filed bankruptcy while I was in high school, but now I've got multiple engineering degrees and a recession/pandemic proof job. Being someone who battled out of poverty and dealt with those hardships, do you not want people to NOT have to deal with that? To not have their kids be embarrassed to ask for money to go to a movie? Idk man, I got myself in a steady place. I'm happy with where I'm personally at.

I don't want full on communism because it never works. (see: venezuela and russia and every other instance in history.) Its problem isn't far too different than what we have now. That the ruling class (in capitalism, the elite rich) controls everything and they are corrupt.

But why can't we have similar universal healthcare to Canada at least. No one is saying be ridiculously drastic. I just don't want poor people to have to go through what I went through. There's no perfect cure-all, but you can't tell me there's not something better than what we're doing.

So what if there are people who don't want to help themselves or "can't get out of this situation." My goal isn't that. My goal is to eliminate that situation altogether. With the advances we've made in automation, there's no need for every american to work 40 backbreaking hours every week. You certainly could if you wanted, but society is heading to a place we've never been where we don't need humans to do everything.

So this is the difference, my parents never filed for bankruptcy, they gutted it out and payed their bills on time and this is the same work ethic they instilled in me. They did not look for a short cut, a quick way out nor a bailout. We lived within our means. The mindset is the difference.

Many years ago, mankind used to work from before daylight to after sunset 7 days per week. Due to Biblical principles (Moses - the 10 commandments), instituted a 6 day work week and then in the early 1900s Saturday was also given as a day of rest from labor/work/job. We work 5 days per week now or 40 hours per week (at least that is what we get paid for) and you want to reduce it even further? Does technology redefine man into some worthless pansy? Common, even in a technological world - like today and in the future - we will still gave to design devices/systems, manufacture and repair them (even with redundancy built in). Man has to do something, we can't sit on our thumbs all day and respond to these forums. Besides, idle hands are the devils playground.

Again, you want government run goods and services since we the people are too stupid to create them ourselves. You view everything as a right, an entitlement, and nothing is to be EARNED or worked for. Once you tax those who do have into oblivion (that is you and me today), there is no more money and then what? All incentive to EARN is gone and we will all file for welfare. Who in the hell is going to pay for it? Go to Canada and see how good their healthcare is - their people schedule surgery in the US by the way.

[hacker]

Then how do you rely so heavily on the stats you post.

I'm honestly not trying to flame you. I'm trying to understand the reasoning of the daily barrage of graphs and stats. Especially when you prop up your posts using them.

I post stats partly because they're interesting to me, partly to keep y'all informed. I mainly post the death rates to show the trend. Total number is ultimately what matters, right?

[BB30]

I got out of poverty much the same way, bud. My parents filed bankruptcy while I was in high school, but now I've got multiple engineering degrees and a recession/pandemic proof job. Being someone who battled out of poverty and dealt with those hardships, do you not want people to NOT have to deal with that? To not have their kids be embarrassed to ask for money to go to a movie? Idk man, I got myself in a steady place. I'm happy with where I'm personally at.

I don't want full on communism because it never works. (see: venezuela and russia and every other instance in history.) Its problem isn't far too different than what we have now. That the ruling class (in capitalism, the elite rich) controls everything and they are corrupt.

But why can't we have similar universal healthcare to Canada at least. No one is saying be ridiculously drastic. I just don't want poor people to have to go through what I went through. There's no perfect cure-all, but you can't tell me there's not something better than what we're doing.

So what if there are people who don't want to help themselves or "can't get out of this situation." My goal isn't that. My goal is to eliminate that situation altogether. With the advances we've made in automation, there's no need for every american to work 40 backbreaking hours every week. You certainly could if you wanted, but society is heading to a place we've never been where we don't need humans to do everything.

The issue is there will be a corupt group regardless of the structure of govt. Our's just happens to limit it to a degree. We certainly aren't as bad off as China or Russia are. Another issue with Uni Healthcare is someone has to pay for it somewhere. If the govt is paying for it it will look just like the VA hospitals do.

If you haven't read up on VA hospitals I would suggest you take a look. It is awful. Patients aren't getting seen, appointments are delayed sometimes by months. People have died waiting to actually get something done at VA hospitals. Because anytime you are talking about a govt. run program bureaucracy will take over.

Look at the DMV, is that what you want to experience when you visit a hospital?

I agree there are things we should be doing or could be doing but Universal Healthcare isn't going to solve the poverty issue.

[deadheaddawg]

So this is the difference, my parents never filed for bankruptcy, they gutted it out and payed their bills on time and this is the same work ethic they instilled in me. They did not look for a short cut, a quick way out nor a bailout. We lived within our means. The mindset is the difference.


Is filing bankruptcy looking for a shortcut? Is it bad work ethic?

Or is it taking advantage of the system? I cant remember his name, but some rich guy told me once that filing bankruptcy is just a smart way to use the system and the laws in place.

[Maverick]

Taking from people that have and giving to people that don't have without making them do anything for that does not work. You can't force everybody to be equal.

This can be summarized by an the old story about the teacher who was going to prove that to his class by averaging their grades. The people that studied hard who made an A were given a B and the people who did not and made a D were given a B. Eventually the people who studied hard quit because why would they study for an A to only get a C while they watch others not study at all and get the same C.

Wow this forum really moved in another direction.

[Extendedcab]

Is filing bankruptcy looking for a shortcut? Is it bad work ethic?

Or is it taking advantage of the system? I cant remember his name, but some rich guy told me once that filing bankruptcy is just a smart way to use the system and the laws in place.

It is cheating the system, someone has to either pay or absorb the debt. It is a shortcut. Business is a 2 way street, I have an object to sell and you have money to buy the object. It is an even bidirectional deal. You get some object to enhance your life and I get some money to allow me to also purchase some object to enhance my life. When someone bails on their responsibility and cheats the system and declares bankruptcy you short-circuit the systems and someone gets screwed. Prices of goods are increased to hedge against this threat - a percentage of people will declare bankruptcy - it harms the system for all of us. This is not how capitalism is supposed to work. We are to ALL pull our weight. This is the only way it will work properly (morality is a given here for the same reasons).

[DownwardDawg]

I got out of poverty much the same way, bud. My parents filed bankruptcy while I was in high school, but now I've got multiple engineering degrees and a recession/pandemic proof job. Being someone who battled out of poverty and dealt with those hardships, do you not want people to NOT have to deal with that? To not have their kids be embarrassed to ask for money to go to a movie? Idk man, I got myself in a steady place. I'm happy with where I'm personally at.

I don't want full on communism because it never works. (see: venezuela and russia and every other instance in history.) Its problem isn't far too different than what we have now. That the ruling class (in capitalism, the elite rich) controls everything and they are corrupt.

But why can't we have similar universal healthcare to Canada at least. No one is saying be ridiculously drastic. I just don't want poor people to have to go through what I went through. There's no perfect cure-all, but you can't tell me there's not something better than what we're doing.

So what if there are people who don't want to help themselves or "can't get out of this situation." My goal isn't that. My goal is to eliminate that situation altogether. With the advances we've made in automation, there's no need for every american to work 40 backbreaking hours every week. You certainly could if you wanted, but society is heading to a place we've never been where we don't need humans to do everything.

One thing I learned the past year, MD Anderson in Houston is full of folks from Canada who want great treatment. Hell, I?ve never seen more people from other countries than at MD Anderson. The US healthcare is light years better than any government run healthcare from any country.

[deadheaddawg]

It is cheating the system, someone has to either pay or absorb the debt. It is a shortcut. Business is a 2 way street, I have an object to sell and you have money to buy the object. It is an even bidirectional deal. You get some object to enhance your life and I get some money to allow me to also purchase some object to enhance my life. When someone bails on their responsibility and cheats the system and declares bankruptcy you short-circuit the systems and someone gets screwed. Prices of goods are increased to hedge against this threat - a percentage of people will declare bankruptcy - it harms the system for all of us. This is not how capitalism is supposed to work. We are to ALL pull our weight. This is the only way it will work properly (morality is a given here for the same reasons).

So would you say someone with multiple bankruptcies is a bad businessman? Thar someone with multiple bankruptcies isn't good for capitalism?

[Johnson85]

It is cheating the system, someone has to either pay or absorb the debt. It is a shortcut. Business is a 2 way street, I have an object to sell and you have money to buy the object. It is an even bidirectional deal. You get some object to enhance your life and I get some money to allow me to also purchase some object to enhance my life. When someone bails on their responsibility and cheats the system and declares bankruptcy you short-circuit the systems and someone gets screwed. Prices of goods are increased to hedge against this threat - a percentage of people will declare bankruptcy - it harms the system for all of us. This is not how capitalism is supposed to work. We are to ALL pull our weight. This is the only way it will work properly (morality is a given here for the same reasons).

This is incorrect. If you want money in exchange for providing a good or service, all you have to do is not provide the good or service unless you get money. The people that get stiffed in a bankruptcy proceeding just about always people who voluntarily extended credit to someone or a some entity and did so knowing the potential for bankruptcy is part of the deal.

There are certainly people and entities who abuse the system, and there are certainly people and entities who don't necessarily abuse the system but act imprudently in a way that is more or less equivalent to abusing the system, but filing bankruptcy itself is not abuse nor it is inconsistent with capitalism. If anything, bankruptcy is a vital part of capitalism because it creates a structured way to handle insolvency events and also incentivizes risk taking by allowing people to take risks without worrying that they will end up in a virtual debtor's prison, just like limited liability business entities are not short cuts or abuses of the system (although some pepole abuse them).

[dantheman4248]

So this is the difference, my parents never filed for bankruptcy, they gutted it out and payed their bills on time and this is the same work ethic they instilled in me. They did not look for a short cut, a quick way out nor a bailout. We lived within our means. The mindset is the difference.

Many years ago, mankind used to work from before daylight to after sunset 7 days per week. Due to Biblical principles (Moses - the 10 commandments), instituted a 6 day work week and then in the early 1900s Saturday was also given as a day of rest from labor/work/job. We work 5 days per week now or 40 hours per week (at least that is what we get paid for) and you want to reduce it even further? Does technology redefine man into some worthless pansy? Common, even in a technological world - like today and in the future - we will still gave to design devices/systems, manufacture and repair them (even with redundancy built in). Man has to do something, we can't sit on our thumbs all day and respond to these forums. Besides, idle hands are the devils playground.

Again, you want government run goods and services since we the people are too stupid to create them ourselves. You view everything as a right, an entitlement, and nothing is to be EARNED or worked for. Once you tax those who do have into oblivion (that is you and me today), there is no more money and then what? All incentive to EARN is gone and we will all file for welfare. Who in the hell is going to pay for it? Go to Canada and see how good their healthcare is - their people schedule surgery in the US by the way.

My dad had complications from a disease he got when he was 7 (labeled a pre-existing condition by insurance companies) and became disabled and unable to work. Medical bills piled up and we had no way to pay. But yea, we took the "easy way out." Sad to say, but the only reason my mother is able at all to financially climb out of the hole is that he passed away as medical bills kept piling.

Healthcare companies refused to cover him. Freedom and all that. Caused a 15 year old and a 9 year old to live in a family in bankruptcy. Just to protect your free market.

You're missing the point about working. We don't have to if we don't want to. I've worked many a 50 hr and 60 hr weeks while in college just to pay my bills. You're preaching toughness to the wrong guy. I've lived it. I've felt it. I don't want anyone to know that pain. It ****ing sucks.

Yes I view life as a right. Why shouldn't I? Entitlement is a buzzword. It's something you've let fool your perspective. And no, you don't have to tax you or me into oblivion to do it. That's the myth. That whole Sanders 52% tax schlock doesn't apply to people making what I make. That's to the million a year makers. I'm not saying go all the way and make everyone equal, that will never work. I'm saying raise the floor. Sure maybe that cuts the ceiling down some. To borrow the grade scale argument: Right now we're ensuring people have the ability to make a 400 or higher out of 100 on a test by sacrificing preventing people from making below a 60 and allowing them to bottom out to 0. By cutting back to 250-300 we could make that 60 minimum happen.

And rich people in Canada do that because our top end is better. We take the best care of the rich in the world healthcare wise. Bottom end, no way.

[BulldogDX55]

America is starting to put out healthcare priority guidelines for when it gets Italy bad here in about a week

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/21/819645036/u-s-hospitals-prepare-guidelines-for-who-gets-care-amid-coronavirus-surge?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR3c15aKNetozctA_64L1JO0vKnMMFVmwX6wY8Hum 5S0JYBwGyYk3rwbLGU

[msstate7]

1800 people attend church service in Louisiana yesterday
https://www.brproud.com/health/coronavirus/central-church-hosts-1800-people-amid-covid-19-outbreak/

I think this is pretty dumb, but I can't help but think of Walmarts having a couple hundred customers at the same time. Plus with that many customers in-and-out all day, the chances of Walmart employees being exposed is pretty big imo. Not sure how you could solve this problem and people still be able to stock up though

[Maverick]

So would you say someone with multiple bankruptcies is a bad businessman? Thar someone with multiple bankruptcies isn't good for capitalism?

Everybody sees where you're going here. You're going for the aha gotcha moment but that doesn't mean anything. Nobody will agree with everything a President does but that doesn't mean that said President is a bad President. My wife doesn't agree with everything I say or do but we are still married....

[deadheaddawg]

Everybody sees where you're going here. You're going for the aha gotcha moment but that doesn't mean anything. Nobody will agree with everything a President does but that doesn't mean that said President is a bad President. My wife doesn't agree with everything I say or do but we are still married....

Nope. They guy I am talking to obviously feels very strongly about bankruptcies. He insulted another poster parents over it. He said another posters parents had poor work ethics over it.

So I am curious to hear his answer. He obviously feels very strongly about bankruptcies and the work ethic of those that do it. He called it cheating and bad for capitalism. He obviously has strong opinions on it

I asked him a valid question after his posts. He can answer for himself

[StateDawg44]

Is filing bankruptcy looking for a shortcut? Is it bad work ethic?

Or is it taking advantage of the system? I cant remember his name, but some rich guy told me once that filing bankruptcy is just a smart way to cheat the system and the laws in place.

FIFY

Seems fair. Make someone else pay for it.


ETA: Also don't take this and twist my words. The way you phrased it was 100% saying screw it, take advantage because it benefits me and I don't give a damn about consequences.

You weren't defending how bankruptcies are the only way out sometimes. You fully threw the cheat the system blanket over the whole topic with your comment and now will use that as your ammunition if someone argues with you. But you'll base your argument on the original comment made. Not your blanket statement. I realize now yours was simple bait for you to pounce on.

[Johnson85]

Everybody sees where you're going here. You're going for the aha gotcha moment but that doesn't mean anything. Nobody will agree with everything a President does but that doesn't mean that said President is a bad President. My wife doesn't agree with everything I say or do but we are still married....

What do you expect him to do? Not talk politics on a political board?


(Said as one of the worse offenders, although I think I am successful at never starting the political sidetracks)

[StateDawg44]

Nope. They guy I am talking to obviously feels very strongly about bankruptcies. He insulted another poster parents over it. He said another posters parents had poor work ethics over it.

So I am curious to hear his answer. He obviously feels very strongly about bankruptcies and the work ethic of those that do it. He called it cheating and bad for capitalism. He obviously has strong opinions on it

I asked him a valid question after his posts. He can answer for himself



A pretty strange end to your response since you're interjecting yourself and speaking on behalf of someone else here.

[StateDawg44]

I post stats partly because they're interesting to me, partly to keep y'all informed. I mainly post the death rates to show the trend. Total number is ultimately what matters, right?


So what if they are misleading or aren't 100% accurate or don't paint the full picture? In this case partly because of the small sample size.

Do they benefit all or only one side? Or do they harm the collective end goal and all the in-betweens on how to attain that goal?

[hacker]

So what if they are misleading or aren't 100% accurate or don't paint the full picture? In this case partly because of the small sample size.

Do they benefit all or only one side? Or do they harm the collective end goal and all the in-betweens on how to attain that goal?

I don't know where you're going with this. I posted "good" stats earlier. I have no side. I don't know why people get so offended by actual facts and numbers. Denial?

Speaking of good numbers:

Italy reports 4,790 new cases of coronavirus and 602 new deaths.

Those are down two days in a row.

[Maverick]

Anybody else agree that we do need to be making more products here in the USA? Curious what kind of effect this has....

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Anybody else agree that we do need to be making more products here in the USA? Curious what kind of effect this has....

Medical supplies and drugs at least, yes. What amount of the production? No idea.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Over the past two decades, I have spent a good amount of time in Saskatchewan duck hunting. During these week long visits, I have had a discussion with several Canadians regarding their health care system. Never, not one, ever said they would love to trade their health care system for ours. None. Keep in mind that these were rural, working class people.
I?m sure that those Canadians who can afford to go to M. D. Anderson do so. It is hands down the best cancer treatment hospital in the world.
If one is very wealthy, our system is better. If you are not wealthy, ours will suck you dry. That is sad.
On a positive note, following this pandemic, we will begin a process to reform our system.

[hacker]

Italy's lockdown appears to be helping:

March 18: 4207 cases, 475 deaths
March 19: 5322 cases, 427 deaths
March 20: 5986 cases, 627 deaths
March 21: 6557 cases, 793 deaths
March 22: 5560 cases, 651 deaths
March 23: 4789 cases, 601 deaths

They locked down on March 10th, took around 10 days for it to be noticeable

[msstate7]

Italy's lockdown appears to be helping:

March 18: 4207 cases, 475 deaths
March 19: 5322 cases, 427 deaths
March 20: 5986 cases, 627 deaths
March 21: 6557 cases, 793 deaths
March 22: 5560 cases, 651 deaths
March 23: 4789 cases, 601 deaths

They locked down on March 10th, took around 10 days for it to be noticeable

Do they release number of tests per day? It would be real interesting to have test total for each of those days too

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

America is starting to put out healthcare priority guidelines for when it gets Italy bad here in about a week

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/21/819645036/u-s-hospitals-prepare-guidelines-for-who-gets-care-amid-coronavirus-surge?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR3c15aKNetozctA_64L1JO0vKnMMFVmwX6wY8Hum 5S0JYBwGyYk3rwbLGU

The article says that hospitals always have triage guidelines in place just in case, and that hospitals will likely be revisiting and updating them in case they need to be used.

For now, U.S. hospitals are unsure whether their triage guidelines will be needed in the coronavirus pandemic, but they must brace for the possibility.
No where does it say that its going to be Italy bad in a week.

Last week you said it would be "Italy bad" in about a week. This week you're saying its a week away. Meanwhile the mortality rate peaked at 1.5% about 5 days ago and has sat around 1.2% since then. I'm not saying its not going to trend up some in the coming days/weeks, but what information are you seeing or using to determine that we're a week away from catastrophe?

[Extendedcab]

Nope. They guy I am talking to obviously feels very strongly about bankruptcies. He insulted another poster parents over it. He said another posters parents had poor work ethics over it.

So I am curious to hear his answer. He obviously feels very strongly about bankruptcies and the work ethic of those that do it. He called it cheating and bad for capitalism. He obviously has strong opinions on it

I asked him a valid question after his posts. He can answer for himself

I am not going down the rat hole you are digging, you can come up with your own conclusions based on your own conscience.

But I will say, in the initial transaction, where debt was incurred, there was a promise to repay the creditor. There are other ways to repay a debt than to file for bankruptcy. You can work with the person/company you owe and negotiate a payment plan. This way the creditor gets their money back over time. Some call bankruptcy smart money management, as was noted (questioned?) in a previous post, and others don't.

What is being overlooked is that business is based on TRUST. The promise principle is the basis of business (contract law) which is the principle by which persons may impose on themselves obligations where none existed before. You do not have to place yourself under a promise or obligation, it is voluntary, you are not forced to buy a particular product or service. When you go to a restaurant and order a meal, this is a contract - informal but non the less enforceable by law, incase you skip out on paying. Most everything we do in life involves a contract of some sort whether formal in writing or informal - verbal - but again it is voluntary, you have a choice in a free society like the US. If people start skipping out on their promises/obligations, then trust is violated and the whole system in which mankind has systematically improved his material condition (standard of living) will collapse.

And yes there are hardships in ones life as well, my parents, along with me and my sister, were in a severe car accident (head on collision) that took months to recover from. Most every family has hardships of one sort or another, unless you live in an ivory tower or in a bubble. By the grace of God we adapt and overcome and do the best we can under the circumstances.

[Extendedcab]

Anybody else agree that we do need to be making more products here in the USA? Curious what kind of effect this has....


Yes, I believe that if you register as an American company then you better have not only your headquarters but manufacturing and sales/support in the US as well. This is not socialism as the government is not running any businesses but only guarunteeing a US company will have its operations in the US. If they do not want to do that, then have them register as a foreign country and move there. Then the US will impose import taxes on their goods, to make the foreign made good more expensive than the American made product (at least this is the theory).

It has come down to a national security issue. Our country is at risk, especially in times of an emergency - like this one for example.

[hacker]

Do they release number of tests per day? It would be real interesting to have test total for each of those days too

Approx:

March 18: 17k
March 19: 17k
March 20: 24k
March 21: 27k
March 22: 25k
March 23: 17k

[StateDawg44]

I don't know where you're going with this. I posted "good" stats earlier. I have no side. I don't know why people get so offended by actual facts and numbers. Denial?

Speaking of good numbers:

Italy reports 4,790 new cases of coronavirus and 602 new deaths.

Those are down two days in a row.


I'm not going anywhere with this. I'm asking questions.

You accuse me of getting offended when I've openly said I'm not trying to get at anything to start our conversation off. I could accuse you of getting defensive with that type of comment. I don't want that though. It works both ways but I'm trying to have a conversation without insulting. You've done a pretty good job of not getting personal and slinging mud with others throughout this thread. That's why I'm not trying to be a smartass or prove anything with you as I have attempted with others.

I'm also not criticizing your numbers as much as I am trying to figure out how reliable you feel like they are. You've been consistent and provided where you got your info. My gf is an engineer so I am very aware of how much yall get into and enjoy numbers. I just feel like there is currently a very very fine line of good information and information that may not be 100% true or truly determined YET. Numbers and stats are great and are usually very telling. But so many of these comparisons are not equal. How do you find that balance?

I guess what message are you trying to convey by posting your Italy numbers in comparison to America? Where is the line drawn of one is an apple and one is an orange? How do you tie the two together to make them relatable?

I don't need you to explain how predicted trajectories work or exponential growth works. Only people who think this is nothing need that explanation. I don't fall into that category like a few others want to claim if you don't see eye to eye with them.

Again, I'm not saying they are bogus. It's just not a similar comparison.

[msstate7]

Approx:

March 18: 17k
March 19: 17k
March 20: 24k
March 21: 27k
March 22: 25k
March 23: 17k

March 18: .247 (positive)
19: .313
20: .249
21: .243
22: .222
23: .282

[yjnkdawg]

Delaware, Ohio, Louisiana, and now Michigan have issued stay at home orders since yesterday, basically shutting down the entire economy. California, NY, Pennsylvania did the same last week. I imagine ours is coming soon.


What are you basing this on? Because if you were somebody actually in the know, you would definitely not be making this type of comment before an official announcement. All these assumptions, predictions or whatever that ya'll are making just scares the crap out of people when they come on here. Just like the continual death rate posts.

[StateDawg44]

What are you basing this on? Because if you were somebody actually in the know, you would definitely not be making this type of comment before an official announcement. All these assumption, predictions or whatever that ya'll are making just scares the crap out of people when they come on here. Just like the continual death rate posts.

Expect responses like this is what "experts" are saying.

And "sources".


And this is no jab at Hacker. I'm trying to understand his side of things.

[hacker]

What are you basing this on? Because if you were somebody actually in the know, you would definitely not be making this type of comment before an official announcement. All these assumptions, predictions or whatever that ya'll are making just scares the crap out of people when they come on here. Just like the continual death rate posts.

That one was actually "pure speculation" -- we were a few days behind Louisiana when they closed schools as well.

[hacker]

I guess what message are you trying to convey by posting your Italy numbers in comparison to America? Where is the line drawn of one is an apple and one is an orange? How do you tie the two together to make them relatable?

I think that the Asian countries are obviously the floor of what could've happened here, and right now I'm tracking Italy and Spain as the ceiling.

I know that our fatality rate is ~1.3% right now which is obviously way better than Italy and Spain, but I think the deaths are going to start climbing higher and higher, especially as hospitals start to get stressed. We are starting to test a lot of people, so that also factors accordingly into the fatality rate.

I don't post Italy and Spain's numbers because I think that's where we WILL end up, I post them because I think that's where we COULD end up. I do think our current trajectory is more in line with Spain and Italy than say, South Korea or even Germany. I am curious about Germany and how few deaths they've had but haven't found any good info on why yet.

But when it boils down to it, I guess the main reason I'm posting at all is to try to convince y'all to stay the **** home so we don't end up like Italy

[Commercecomet24]

Coming from an infectious disease doctor that I spoke with last week. DO NOT USE Italy as a measuring stick in any way regarding this. Extremely old population, socialized health care, antiquated facilities and equipment in most places, still trying to recover from flu season that hit them hard, and a bad economy, was a perfect(imperfect)storm for them.

[Liverpooldawg]

Approx:

March 18: 17k
March 19: 17k
March 20: 24k
March 21: 27k
March 22: 25k
March 23: 17k

They do not test anyone under 30 unless they become serious.

[hacker]

They do not test anyone under 30 unless they become serious.

We aren't testing anyone under 100.4 (temp) unless they're a basketball player or politician. What's your point?

[yjnkdawg]

Coming from an infectious disease doctor that I spoke with last week. DO NOT USE Italy as a measuring stick in any way regarding this. Extremely old population, socialized health care, antiquated facilities and equipment in most places, still trying to recover from flu season that hit them hard, and a bad economy, was a perfect(imperfect)storm for them.


Great point CC. Also what occurs in Italy, New York, etc, doesn't necessary mean it will happen in rural Smith or Greene county Mississippi. It could but no guarantee.

[dawgday166]

We aren't testing anyone under 100.4 (temp) unless they're a basketball player or politician. What's your point?

So wouldn't this lead one to believe total case is less, % of positive cases is much less, and death rate is less too?

[hacker]

So wouldn't this lead one to believe total case is less, % of positive cases is much less, and death rate is less too?

Total cases are probably a good bit higher. Can't really know about the % positive.

But yeah, higher total cases = lower death rate.

[dawgday166]

Total cases are probably a good bit higher. Can't really know about the % positive.

But yeah, higher total cases = lower death rate.

My bad ... I meant total cases being higher.

[StateDawg44]

I think that the Asian countries are obviously the floor of what could've happened here, and right now I'm tracking Italy and Spain as the ceiling.

I know that our fatality rate is ~1.3% right now which is obviously way better than Italy and Spain, but I think the deaths are going to start climbing higher and higher, especially as hospitals start to get stressed. We are starting to test a lot of people, so that also factors accordingly into the fatality rate.

I don't post Italy and Spain's numbers because I think that's where we WILL end up, I post them because I think that's where we COULD end up. I do think our current trajectory is more in line with Spain and Italy than say, South Korea or even Germany. I am curious about Germany and how few deaths they've had but haven't found any good info on why yet.

But when it boils down to it, I guess the main reason I'm posting at all is to try to convince y'all to stay the **** home so we don't end up like Italy


I hear you. And appreciate it I guess. I have used your stats and graphs to keep up with some stuff because like I've said, you have been consistent. No clue on the accuracy of everything and I'm not trying to determine that or deny that.

It's just the amount of info and misinformation is the scary part of all of this. Not the virus itself (For me personally at least). I'm just wary to post stuff or even quote stuff with friends and co-workers with so much uncertainty. Not trying to convince you to do otherwise. I'm just not confident enough in any of this to try to depend on what one group or expert says. And I doubt any experts would claim complete certainty either.

It is what it is, carry on. I just can't completely buy into everything while using those countries as our metric to compare to. I understand you keeping up with that certainly though.

[yjnkdawg]

That one was actually "pure speculation" -- we were a few days behind Louisiana when they closed schools as well.



Here's the point on speculating, assuming, etc. With all that you have been posting on here somebody may see that comment and think you have some inside information and then freak out or tell somebody else. I knew you didn't because you wouldn't have made a comment like that. Fact of the matter is anybody who is in the know on what MSDH, the Governor, or other applicable government agencies are going to do wouldn't even be posting on here anyway. The poster was correct who said this thread has turned into a gloom and doom thread.

[StateDawg44]

Here's the point on speculating, assuming, etc. With all that you have been posting on here somebody may see that comment and think you have some inside information and then freak out or tell somebody else. I knew you didn't because you wouldn't have made a comment like that. Fact of the matter is anybody who is in the know on what MSDH, the Governor, or other applicable government agencies are going to do wouldn't even be posting on here anyway. The poster was correct who said this thread has turned into a gloom and doom thread.

Exactly

[Commercecomet24]

I hear you. And appreciate it I guess. I have used your stats and graphs to keep up with some stuff because like I've said, you have been consistent. No clue on the accuracy of everything and I'm not trying to determine that or deny that.

It's just the amount of info and misinformation is the scary part of all of this. Not the virus itself (For me personally at least). I'm just wary to post stuff or even quote stuff with friends and co-workers with so much uncertainty. Not trying to convince you do to otherwise. I'm just not confident enough in any of this to try to depend on what one group or expert says. And I doubt any experts would claim complete certainty either.

It is what it is, carry on. I just can't completely buy into everything while using those countries as our metric to compare to. I understand you keeping up with that certainly though.

This. There's just to much coming from both sides to know what is accurate and I'm not sure that anyone knows anything for a certaintity anyway. I'm fortunate that in my business I have a lot of contact with doctors, nurses and admins who I can talk to and get good info from.

[Dawgology]

I really like worldometers.info but I wish that they would let us see graphs for each individual states. It would probably be a lot of work but I'd like to look at the historical trends. I think Washington State's quarantine effectiveness is starting to show up.

[hacker]

Here's the point on speculating, assuming, etc. With all that you have been posting on here somebody may see that comment and think you have some inside information and then freak out or tell somebody else. I knew you didn't because you wouldn't have made a comment like that. Fact of the matter is anybody who is in the know on what MSDH, the Governor, or other applicable government agencies are going to do wouldn't even be posting on here anyway. The poster was correct who said this thread has turned into a gloom and doom thread.

My bad for the speculation. Seriously.

But regarding the other stuff -- it's a pandemic, people are getting infected and dying in increasing numbers every day. Of course it's a gloom and doom thread. There's very little good news. Should we talk about how West Virginia is last in the country in infections? There's a place in the Pacific Ocean that hasn't been hit yet?

[StateDawg44]

My bad for the speculation. Seriously.

But regarding the other stuff -- it's a pandemic, people are getting infected and dying in increasing numbers every day. Of course it's a gloom and doom thread. There's very little good news. Should we talk about how West Virginia is last in the country in infections? There's a place in the Pacific Ocean that hasn't been hit yet?


Maybe just less trying to convince and just leaving it at updating. At this point, most people have drawn their line. Right or wrong.

I mean you're in Chunky, go float the river in seclusion and enjoy the outdoors. Chunky is a good place to be when it comes to population density.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

My bad for the speculation. Seriously.

But regarding the other stuff -- it's a pandemic, people are getting infected and dying in increasing numbers every day. Of course it's a gloom and doom thread. There's very little good news. Should we talk about how West Virginia is last in the country in infections? There's a place in the Pacific Ocean that hasn't been hit yet?

For the record, I don't mind speculation. I do think its important to make it clear when you're speculating and when you're stating facts (the universal you, not you in particular). If this thread is for nothing but updating statistics, then we might as well delete the thread and put a link to some websites with good reliable stats at the top of the page.

And I say that as someone who disagrees with you about whether or not we're headed towards an Italian sized mortality rate.

[Matt3467]

Look...no one said emptying out bed pans wasn't a noble profession...thank you for your bravery**


Speaking as someone who DOES work in healthcare... the guy Beardo responded to definitely doesn't actually do anything healthcare related. He probably works as a janitor/maintenance in a hospital and calls that healthcare. No way he's "on the front lines". (For the record, I'm not either.)

I'm an RN and emptying bed pans is one of the many things that I do.

@Dantheman4248 how in the world are you going to act like you "definitely" know what I do? You don't know me. That comment just tells me what a piece of trash you are.

[dantheman4248]

I'm an RN and emptying bed pans is one of the many things that I do.

@Dantheman4248 how in the world are you going to act like you "definitely" know what I do? You don't know me. That comment just tells me what a piece of trash you are.

Because if you did you'd have a clue. Congratulations on being the unicorn healthcare worker downplaying this pandemic. To quote Ron Burgundy, "I don't believe you." Guessing by your board reputation, others don't care for you either. Might be the oldest red account I've seen other than 34.

[BeardoMSU]

I'm an RN and emptying bed pans is one of the many things that I do.

@Dantheman4248 how in the world are you going to act like you "definitely" know what I do? You don't know me. That comment just tells me what a piece of trash you are.

As I said to someone else, it was a joke.

[hacker]

For the record, I don't mind speculation. I do think its important to make it clear when you're speculating and when you're stating facts (the universal you, not you in particular). If this thread is for nothing but updating statistics, then we might as well delete the thread and put a link to some websites with good reliable stats at the top of the page.

And I say that as someone who disagrees with you about whether or not we're headed towards an Italian sized mortality rate.

Yeah, I did say "I imagine ours is coming this week"

Thought it was clear that I was speculating.

[Matt3467]

Because if you did you'd have a clue. Congratulations on being the unicorn healthcare worker downplaying this pandemic. To quote Ron Burgundy, "I don't believe you." Guessing by your board reputation, others don't care for you either. Might be the oldest red account I've seen other than 34.

I'm sorry then what is it that you do in healthcare? You mentioned you worked in it. I also know many other nurses that are of the same opinion as I. I know many that think this is the end of the world and many in between. You speak in broad generalities. "Guessing by your board reputation, others don't care for you either." Another trash comment by a trash person. I've read a lot of your comments to catch up to speed on this board and you have quite the habit of attacking people. I also don't care if you believe me or not but you "definitely" don't know anything about me.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Yeah, I did say "I imagine ours is coming this week"

Thought it was clear that I was speculating.
In my book that's clear. "I think", "I feel", "I imagine", "I assume", I'm afraid that" are all pretty clear intro's to speculation to me. I'm sure there's others too

[dantheman4248]

The issue is there will be a corupt group regardless of the structure of govt. Our's just happens to limit it to a degree. We certainly aren't as bad off as China or Russia are. Another issue with Uni Healthcare is someone has to pay for it somewhere. If the govt is paying for it it will look just like the VA hospitals do.

If you haven't read up on VA hospitals I would suggest you take a look. It is awful. Patients aren't getting seen, appointments are delayed sometimes by months. People have died waiting to actually get something done at VA hospitals. Because anytime you are talking about a govt. run program bureaucracy will take over.

Look at the DMV, is that what you want to experience when you visit a hospital?

I agree there are things we should be doing or could be doing but Universal Healthcare isn't going to solve the poverty issue.

These are all fair points. My rebuttal to china and russia is that canada and europe seem to have certain aspects of the healthcare figured out that we don't. The VA hospitals man... just an absolute travesty.

I don't think UH or UBI are a magic cure-all. And I agree that bureaucracy destroys it. It's absolutely mindnumbing to see people wanting to go backwards however. And I still believe we gotta try. There's no perfect solution path (anyone who says there is, is lying.) But there's definitely steps better than we got. As for the hospitals being the DMV, I mean for a lot of people it can be, even in the ER. Not VA level bad, but it's gotten pretty bad.

Sidenote: We could all (myself included) take a lesson from this post. This is how we should be discussing things. Together not against.

[dantheman4248]

I'm sorry then what is it that you do in healthcare? You mentioned you worked in it. I also know many other nurses that are of the same opinion as I. I know many that think this is the end of the world and many in between. You speak in broad generalities. "Guessing by your board reputation, others don't care for you either." Another trash comment by a trash person. I've read a lot of your comments to catch up to speed on this board and you have quite the habit of attacking people. I also don't care if you believe me or not but you "definitely" don't know anything about me.

You entered this thread assuming things about people you don't know and claiming they get their sources from one certain area just because they dared speak ill of your leader. Now that someone else assumes things about you based on your comments, they are trash.

Buddy... have some self awareness at least. You're showing no awareness at either a self or worldly level. Quite amazing honestly.

[Matt3467]

You entered this thread assuming things about people you don't know and claiming they get their sources from one certain area just because they dared speak ill of your leader. Now that someone else assumes things about you based on your comments, they are trash.

Buddy... have some self awareness at least. You're showing no awareness at either a self or worldly level. Quite amazing honestly.

The comment you're referring to I used the language "highly likely" that people were getting their info from those places. That's very different from using definite language like here:

"Speaking as someone who DOES work in healthcare... the guy Beardo responded to definitely doesn't actually do anything healthcare related. He probably works as a janitor/maintenance in a hospital and calls that healthcare. No way he's "on the front lines". (For the record, I'm not either.)"

President Trump is also your leader whether you like him or not. I called you trash because you treated me as trash from the get-go and not only announced I'm definitely not in healthcare but that I'm probably a janitor. Who in the world says things like that?

BTW I'm still waiting on your answer as to what it is you actually do in healthcare.