The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[Jack Lambert]

That includes Jack too ... Gen X is before his time ****

Shirley you mean someone else. I am 55 years old.*****

[Johnson85]

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/05/06/the-covid-19-crisis-has-already-left-too-many-children-hungry-in-america/

35% of households with a child 18 or under in America are currently food insecure.

You're right, but you don'tn realize why. Outside of capitalism, the majority of people are legitimately food insecure, as in it's likely that they will miss meals even with relatively prudent planning. Now, we actually have to make up weird definitions to make things sound worse than they are. We don't talk about people not having enough food to eat, we have to lump those in with people who have a reduced variety or desirability of diet but that never actually have to experience hunger to generate a bigger number.


Some of you will interpret this as we need to "reopen the economy" as your solution. You don't want to face the ugly reality that this is something capitalism has allowed to happen. You don't want to think about what happens if we reopen and bodies pile up even higher because the same experts you have ridiculed along the way could be wrong about the two different strands, could be wrong that you can't recatch it, could be wrong that this won't mutate when exposed to an astronomical amount of hosts. Somehow they are infallible in that area of expertise but completely wrong with their models. Yes, we could find out there are different, more deadly strains, and we also could find out there is a new pandemic already underway that we just haven't identified yet. But you can't really make policy on possibilities like that. You can try to prepare, but you don't crush your economy because there is the potential for an as yet unidentified calamity lurking around the corner. The way you deal with those potential issues is through things like making sure you have robust systems for the necessities of modern life and hope they are robust enough to survive the potential threats, whether it be pandemic, large solar flare, severe weather or geological activities, etc.


I posit solutions to prevent this to happen in both times of crises and normal times. And i'm the big bad communist. Guess I should go to Russia where they care about kids. Lord knows Christians don't care about them. That was obvious by how much covering up went into the Catholic Priests scandal.

If you don't like who I'm grouping you in with and think that I'm ridiculous for that, maybe (and just hear me out on this one ok) maybe don't ally with them? You posit ideas, not solutions. Some of them would probably be good. Some of them seem on their face to be unworkable.

[Johnson85]

There's a lot of good in this post. I think what it boils down to is that we have a difference of opinion on whether we should stick with something we know isn't working versus switching to something new that isn't soundproof. There isn't a perfect system. Otherwise someone would utilize it. That is the problem when someone says "let's hear your plan." They put it as "we'll break yours down too." Well no shit. There's problems with it like there is problems with what we have now. But I think it will strive us on the whole to be better. But really, the first part of any problem is...... admitting there's a problem. It's crazy how many people can't even reach that step.

To touch on the gun thing. The second amendment is just that. An amendment. It can be changed. See: Amendments 18 and 21.

Our disagreement is on whether what we have is "working". We have a lot of problems and a lot of them are self inflicted and could be made better by better policy (some of them probably require better culture that a democratic gov't can't do much to influence). But the real difference is you are comparing the real life version of a reasonably free market system with a moderately corrupt government to your fictional, idealized version of a less free market system without a corrupt government, when for the most part, experience tells us that compared to more autocratic governments, more liberal (in the little "l" sense, not the bastardized opposite of literal meaning sense) societies and government tend to either tamp down the corruption or be wealthy enough to handle it better. And they certainly tend to provide better conditions for their people, although there is a lot dependent on culture (hence Singapore managing a level of government control that swedes can't, swede's handling more government control than Venezuela or even the US can, etc).

[starkvegasdawg]

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/05/06/the-covid-19-crisis-has-already-left-too-many-children-hungry-in-america/

35% of households with a child 18 or under in America are currently food insecure.

Some of you will interpret this as we need to "reopen the economy" as your solution. You don't want to face the ugly reality that this is something capitalism has allowed to happen. You don't want to think about what happens if we reopen and bodies pile up even higher because the same experts you have ridiculed along the way could be wrong about the two different strands, could be wrong that you can't recatch it, could be wrong that this won't mutate when exposed to an astronomical amount of hosts. Somehow they are infallible in that area of expertise but completely wrong with their models.

I posit solutions to prevent this to happen in both times of crises and normal times. And i'm the big bad communist. Guess I should go to Russia where they care about kids. Lord knows Christians don't care about them. That was obvious by how much covering up went into the Catholic Priests scandal.

If you don't like who I'm grouping you in with and think that I'm ridiculous for that, maybe (and just hear me out on this one ok) maybe don't ally with them?

So it's capitalism's fault? Should we model after NoKo, Venezuela, or another socialist/communist country where most of the country is starving?

[Dawg2003]

Here's what I wonder about. We start school and football, and there's an outbreak in a dorm or on a football team. What then? Do they shut it all down again?

[Jack Lambert]

Here's what I wonder about. We start school and football, and there's an outbreak in a dorm or on a football team. What then? Do they shut it all down again?

I don't think the outbreak is going to go away until we have vaccine or everyone has been immune to it. It is with us and we are going to have to learn to live with it.

[dantheman4248]

So it's capitalism's fault? Should we model after NoKo, Venezuela, or another socialist/communist country where most of the country is starving?

Canada / Sweden / a lot of europe has its head on right about some things. But everyone always jumps to the extreme dictators.

We're slowly headed towards being a replica of current Russia. Putin showed Trump the playbook and he's just asking madden his way through it.

It's amazing to sit there and watch your country crumble before your eyes and not want change. If you're in Gen X, you gotta ask yourself, is 3/4 of the republican presidents in your life time having an economic crisis a coincidence or something more?

This is America. Supposedly the greatest nation in the world. Yet I can't seem to find anything we seem to be the greatest at anymore. But it's blasphemy to even speak that way or suggest change.

[Dawg2003]

I don't think the outbreak is going to go away until we have vaccine or everyone has been immune to it. It is with us and we are going to have to learn to live with it.

I think so too. SARS wasn't as contagious, but this virus figured out a way to make itself a lot sneakier with asymptotic carriers.

[confucius say]

I think so too. SARS wasn't as contagious, but this virus figured out a way to make itself a lot sneakier with asymptotic carriers.

Did the virus figure that out? Or did it have some help from scientists in a Wuhan lab?

[hacker]

Did the virus figure that out? Or did it have some help from scientists in a Wuhan lab?

It's obviously the 5G towers

[dawgday166]

It's obviously the 5G towers

Those 5G towers are Made in China.

[Commercecomet24]

It's obviously the 5G towers

I told you the other day you're starting to develop a sense of humor! Good stuff!

[Cooterpoot]

3 more death certificates changed to COVID today in MS. SMH

[Commercecomet24]

3 more death certificates changed to COVID today in MS. SMH

Yeah, Going to be more and more of it too.

[Extendedcab]

Canada / Sweden / a lot of europe has its head on right about some things. But everyone always jumps to the extreme dictators.

We're slowly headed towards being a replica of current Russia. Putin showed Trump the playbook and he's just asking madden his way through it.

It's amazing to sit there and watch your country crumble before your eyes and not want change. If you're in Gen X, you gotta ask yourself, is 3/4 of the republican presidents in your life time having an economic crisis a coincidence or something more?

This is America. Supposedly the greatest nation in the world. Yet I can't seem to find anything we seem to be the greatest at anymore. But it's blasphemy to even speak that way or suggest change.

It is because you are barking up the wrong tree. You don't understand what made America great in the first place so you spew forth communistic ideas (government is the answer) hoping some secular part of it will stick. You are trying to change America into the hell hole millions of people around the world are fleeing.

To understand what made America great YOU need a good foundation in the Bible, the US Constitution, the Federalist Papers, letters from our American Founders and even the works of Tocqueville and others. Go to wallbuilders.com and read the book Original Intent, it is an eye opener! The mainstream press and American education in the past 40 years will not tell you that - they like revisionist history instead.

Since this nation was founded on the belief of God and Jesus Christ, our "values" are based on something ABSOLUTE and objective. This is necessary in order for our "values" to have any enduring strength and binding force. The laws of God in the Bible, and specifically the Ten Commandments, have been the bedrock of western civilization for 2,000 years. Judeo-Christian concepts of justice and legitimate authority shaped the English Common Law and later the American Declaration of Independence, with its recognition of inalienable rights bestowed upon men by their Creator.

These Biblical foundations of authority, based upon the righteous character of a Holy God, are morally superior to the depravity practiced by all pagan cultures, both ancient and modern. But these foundations have been abandoned in our day by our education systems and even at our highest level of government.

As you know (hopefully anyway), the Supreme Court expelled God from the public schools in 1962 and 1963, when they ruled that prayer and Bible reading in school had become unconstitutional. Today the moral precepts of the Ten Commandments can no longer hang on the walls of our children's public classrooms. Yet many people can't understand why the generation that reached adulthood in the '60s and '70s turned out so rootless and rebellious.

You want to know how to make America great again? Turn back to God, instill biblical principles in our children - must be taught in our schools and live moral lives. One of our founding fathers, John Adams (letters also referenced in the book Original Intent - see above) said " Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

[BeardoMSU]

Canada / Sweden / a lot of europe has its head on right about some things. But everyone always jumps to the extreme dictators.

We're slowly headed towards being a replica of current Russia. Putin showed Trump the playbook and he's just asking madden his way through it.

It's amazing to sit there and watch your country crumble before your eyes and not want change. If you're in Gen X, you gotta ask yourself, is 3/4 of the republican presidents in your life time having an economic crisis a coincidence or something more?

This is America. Supposedly the greatest nation in the world. Yet I can't seem to find anything we seem to be the greatest at anymore. But it's blasphemy to even speak that way or suggest change.

"Canada, Sweden, and a lot of Europe"...though, yes, they have more social programs and safety nets than US, their economies are all still very much capitalistic.

[Percho]

It is because you are barking up the wrong tree. You don't understand what made America great in the first place so you spew forth communistic ideas (government is the answer) hoping some secular part of it will stick. You are trying to change America into the hell hole millions of people around the world are fleeing.

To understand what made America great YOU need a good foundation in the Bible, the US Constitution, the Federalist Papers, letters from our American Founders and even the works of Tocqueville and others. Go to wallbuilders.com and read the book Original Intent, it is an eye opener! The mainstream press and American education in the past 40 years will not tell you that - they like revisionist history instead.

Since this nation was founded on the belief of God and Jesus Christ, our "values" are based on something ABSOLUTE and objective. This is necessary in order for our "values" to have any enduring strength and binding force. The laws of God in the Bible, and specifically the Ten Commandments, have been the bedrock of western civilization for 2,000 years. Judeo-Christian concepts of justice and legitimate authority shaped the English Common Law and later the American Declaration of Independence, with its recognition of inalienable rights bestowed upon men by their Creator.

These Biblical foundations of authority, based upon the righteous character of a Holy God, are morally superior to the depravity practiced by all pagan cultures, both ancient and modern. But these foundations have been abandoned in our day by our education systems and even at our highest level of government.

As you know (hopefully anyway), the Supreme Court expelled God from the public schools in 1962 and 1963, when they ruled that prayer and Bible reading in school had become unconstitutional. Today the moral precepts of the Ten Commandments can no longer hang on the walls of our children's public classrooms. Yet many people can't understand why the generation that reached adulthood in the '60s and '70s turned out so rootless and rebellious.

You want to know how to make America great again? Turn back to God, instill biblical principles in our children - must be taught in our schools and live moral lives. One of our founding fathers, John Adams (letters also referenced in the book Original Intent - see above) said " Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."


A M E N D!

[confucius say]

I told you the other day you're starting to develop a sense of humor! Good stuff!

Hack and I have message board bonded.

[dantheman4248]

"Canada, Sweden, and a lot of Europe"...though, yes, they have more social programs and safety nets than US, their economies are all still very much capitalistic.

Well I've been pigeon-holed as the resident Marxist when I made a point about Heaven being the very definition of communism. That's the ideal perfection. I've also stated that that clearly isn't achievable.

And just by the very mention of anting to go towards the socialistic policies these countries have, I'm a comrade. Even though America has more in common with Russia than with Canada at this point.

There are flaws with every form of government. But the first step to solving a problem is admitting it. And some on here can't.

[Commercecomet24]

Hack and I have message board bonded.

ED bringing people together since 2013!

[dantheman4248]

It is because you are barking up the wrong tree. You don't understand what made America great in the first place so you spew forth capitalistic ideas (government is the answer) hoping some secular part of it will stick. You are standing idly by while America changes into the hell hole BILLIONS of people around the world are wanting to flee.

To understand what made America great YOU need a good foundation in the Bible, the US Constitution, the Federalist Papers, letters from our American Founders and even the works of Tocqueville and others. Go to a bookstore and read the books The Deluge and The Wages of Destruction, it is an eye opener! The mainstream press and American education in the past 40 years will not tell you that - they like revisionist history instead.

Since this nation was found on the hypocritical belief that taxation without representation is unfair, but slavery is cool, our "values" are based on something IMAGINARY and subjective. This is necessary in order for our "values" to have any enduring strength and binding force. The laws of God in the Bible, and specifically the Ten Commandments, have NOT been the bedrock of western civilization for 2,000 years. Judeo-Christian concepts of justice and legitimate authority (for only specific people) shaped the English Common Law and later the American Declaration of Independence, with its recognition of inalienable rights bestowed upon (white) men (and not women) by their Creator.

These Biblical foundations of authority, purportedly based upon the righteous character of a Holy God, are morally equivalent to the depravity practiced by all pagan cultures, both ancient and modern. But these foundations have slowly been abandoned in our day by our education systems and even at our highest level of government. We finally started treating almost every as subhumans. The inner circle got smaller. From white men to rich white men to rich to stupid rich.

As you know (hopefully anyway), the Supreme Court expelled (one form of worshipping) God from the public schools in 1962 and 1963, when they ruled that prayer and Bible reading in school had become unconstitutional (finally agreeing with their first amendment). Today the moral precepts of the Ten Commandments can no longer hang on the walls of our children's public classrooms. Yet many people can't understand why the generation that reached adulthood in the '60s and '70s turned out so rootless and rebellious. (It's almost like they weren't indoctrinated anymore and started seeing reality for what it was.)

You want to know how to make America great again? Be good to your fellow person, care for our children (don't have police escalate a situation with a 12 year old boy and kill him over a toy gun) - must be taught in our police academies and only pass those who live moral lives. One of our founding fathers, John Adams (letters also referenced in the book Original Intent - see above) said " Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." <--- He was wrong. It was made for a group that didn't define people and humans properly.

quoting you this time to drive home the copy pasta point.

[StateDawg44]

Well I've been pigeon-holed as the resident Marxist when I made a point about Heaven being the very definition of communism. That's the ideal perfection. I've also stated that that clearly isn't achievable.

And just by the very mention of anting to go towards the socialistic policies these countries have, I'm a comrade. Even though America has more in common with Russia than with Canada at this point.

There are flaws with every form of government. But the first step to solving a problem is admitting it. And some on here can't.



Point to me where anyone has claimed the way it is now is perfect.

Are you running a 12 step program or something?

[dantheman4248]

Point to me where anyone has claimed the way it is now is perfect.

Are you running a 12 step program or something?

Some would have you believe it used to be perfect and want to pull backwards in that direction.

Stop trying to play everything so black and white searching for a gotcha. Makes you out to be an agent against forward thinking.

[Johnson85]

Canada / Sweden / a lot of europe has its head on right about some things. But everyone always jumps to the extreme dictators.

We're slowly headed towards being a replica of current Russia. Putin showed Trump the playbook and he's just asking madden his way through it. This is unhinged. IF we're becoming anything, we're slowly becoming something like UK/France/Italy. We are growing the state a ton, have a birth rate below replacement rate, are creating teh same weird mix of increasing tolerance for things unless they violate pc sensibilities, in which case we are becoming much less tolerant, and are creating liabilities that we aren't going to meet. THe big difference is that we are not taxing our poor and middle class as much and we are mostly still very strong on 1st amendment and 2nd amendment, even while our population becomes less respectful of the ideals of free speech and free exercise. If we could get Canada to adopt free speech and free exercise while we adopted their fiscal responsibility, both countries would get a lot better.


It's amazing to sit there and watch your country crumble before your eyes and not want change. If you're in Gen X, you gotta ask yourself, is 3/4 of the republican presidents in your life time having an economic crisis a coincidence or something more?

This is America. Supposedly the greatest nation in the world. Yet I can't seem to find anything we seem to be the greatest at anymore. But it's blasphemy to even speak that way or suggest change.

We are still the greatest nation in the world. There are a lot of good countries though, and many of them do some things as good or better than the US. Some of them just offer different alternatives that aren't better but may be more attractive or less depending on your preferences.

[Extendedcab]

quoting you this time to drive home the copy pasta point.

Your ignorance is overwhelming!! The only point you are driving home is your are totally ignorant of the Bible and what God requires of mankind! Don't try to lecture me, you are way out of your realm of knowledge. See Ephesians 4:14: " Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming." You have no foundation to base your arguments other than your own desires. Mine is based on the unwavering word of God!! See my previous post - again.

[Extendedcab]

Some would have you believe it used to be perfect and want to pull backwards in that direction.

Stop trying to play everything so black and white searching for a gotcha. Makes you out to be an agent against forward thinking.

Nobody said the US form of government was PERFECT, but is sure is a hell of a lot better than any other from of government on the world!! See my previous post - again!!

[turkish]

Heaven ... communism
You?re right about one thing: when God is in charge, things tend to go a lot less sideways.

[Commercecomet24]

This is unhinged. IF we're becoming anything, we're slowly becoming something like UK/France/Italy. We are growing the state a ton, have a birth rate below replacement rate, are creating teh same weird mix of increasing tolerance for things unless they violate pc sensibilities, in which case we are becoming much less tolerant, and are creating liabilities that we aren't going to meet. THe big difference is that we are not taxing our poor and middle class as much and we are mostly still very strong on 1st amendment and 2nd amendment, even while our population becomes less respectful of the ideals of free speech and free exercise. If we could get Canada to adopt free speech and free exercise while we adopted their fiscal responsibility, both countries would get a lot better.



We are still the greatest nation in the world. There are a lot of good countries though, and many of them do some things as good or better than the US. Some of them just offer different alternatives that aren't better but may be more attractive or less depending on your preferences.

You need to post more. I'm enjoying reading your insights. Rational thinking.

[msstate7]

Just took antibody test. Should have results by Wednesday

[Jack Lambert]

Just took antibody test. Should have results by Wednesday

How much was the cost and how did you go about getting it? If you don't mine sharing.

[dantheman4248]

You?re right about one thing: when God is in charge, things tend to go a lot less sideways.

When do you think God was ever in charge of this country or anything close?

[turkish]

When do you think God was ever in charge of this country or anything close?
Did I say He was? Or were you trying to help make my point?

[DownwardDawg]

I love that Ted Cruz got his hair cut today at the salon owned by the lady in Texas. The on that the dumbass judge threw in jail. And Hannity made a big donation to her salon so she could help the people that work there pay their bills. Merica baby!!!

[Commercecomet24]

I love that Ted Cruz got his hair cut today at the salon owned by the lady in Texas. The on that the dumbass judge threw in jail. And Hannity made a big donation to her salon so she could help the people that work there pay their bills. Merica baby!!!

That's alright!!!

[msstate7]

How much was the cost and how did you go about getting it? If you don't mine sharing.

Fast pace urgent care. Cost me co-pay on my insurance. $50 without insurance, I think

[dawgday166]

Fast pace urgent care. Cost me co-pay on my insurance. $50 without insurance, I think

So I haven't been keeping close tabs on this but I believe there are several antibody tests available ain't there? What made you decide to go there and what test did they have?

And is there any data on how accurate the test you took is?

[Extendedcab]

When do you think God was ever in charge of this country or anything close?

Stop showing how ignorant you are. As stated in previous posts, go read the documents that framed the foundation of the US and you will see we are (or were, getting less every day with characters like you) led by the Bible - the principles of God for humankind. Whether you realize it or not, God is in control of History! Man's future will workout just as described in the Bible - the book you ignore but has guided mankind and governments for over 2000 years.

[Extendedcab]

Fast pace urgent care. Cost me co-pay on my insurance. $50 without insurance, I think


Thank you for the info, I will have to check into it.

[msstate7]

So I haven't been keeping close tabs on this but I believe there are several antibody tests available ain't there? What made you decide to go there and what test did they have?

And is there any data on how accurate the test you took is?

Bored. No idea what test or the accuracy

[DownwardDawg]

Stop showing how ignorant you are. As stated in previous posts, go read the documents that framed the foundation of the US and you will see we are (or were, getting less every day with characters like you) led by the Bible - the principles of God for humankind. Whether you realize it or not, God is in control of History! Man's future will workout just as described in the Bible - the book you ignore but has guided mankind and governments for over 2000 years.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Extendedcab again.

Man, you answered that so much better than I could have. I was going to type something similar but it would not have been nearly as articulated as your answer. Thank you brother.

[confucius say]

Fast pace urgent care. Cost me co-pay on my insurance. $50 without insurance, I think

You can get it at st D in Jackson for $60. No insurance.

[Extendedcab]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Extendedcab again.

Man, you answered that so much better than I could have. I was going to type something similar but it would not have been nearly as articulated as your answer. Thank you brother.

You're welcome! I don't mean to be mean spirited toward this guy but when he keeps ramming his head against a brick wall and blood is spewing everywhere, you would think he would get the idea and stop - but maybe not!

[dantheman4248]

Stop showing how ignorant you are. As stated in previous posts, go read the documents that framed the foundation of the US and you will see we are (or were, getting less every day with characters like you) led by the Bible - the principles of God for humankind. Whether you realize it or not, God is in control of History! Man's future will workout just as described in the Bible - the book you ignore but has guided mankind and governments for over 2000 years.

So either slavery and the suppression of women's rights is a biblical principle and the Bible clearly then shouldn't be something we strive towards or it's not and you're wrong about the founding principles of this country.

[Gutter Cobreh]

So either slavery and the suppression of women's rights is a biblical principle and the Bible clearly then shouldn't be something we strive towards or it's not and you're wrong about the founding principles of this country.

Does not surprise me that this is your response. Socialism causes atheism.

https://www.acton.org/religion-liberty/volume-29-number-3/how-socialism-causes-atheism

[dantheman4248]

Does not surprise me that this is your response. Socialism causes atheism.

https://www.acton.org/religion-liberty/volume-29-number-3/how-socialism-causes-atheism

Nah he's the blasphemous idiot who thinks that this country was founded on Godly principles. He thinks the way slaves and women were treated (as property) is what God is all about. Excuse me for rejecting that interpretation of God. Socially, we are actually getting closer to what the actual 10 commandments are and finally out of archaic contradictory idiocy and racism that poisoned the true message of God.

Atheism is for chumps who stopped when they asked an elementary question and got an answer and didn't actual understand philosophy, logic, or religion in general. As much as I detest pharisees like extendedcab, I detest atheists who speak out loud like they are the smartest in the room even more.

Correlation is not causation on that one.

[Cooterpoot]

I love that Ted Cruz got his hair cut today at the salon owned by the lady in Texas. The on that the dumbass judge threw in jail. And Hannity made a big donation to her salon so she could help the people that work there pay their bills. Merica baby!!!

That lady has received well over $100,000 in donations.

[msstate7]

That lady has received well over $100,000 in donations.

Damn. What can I open up today to defy the gov?

[Cooterpoot]

So either slavery and the suppression of women's rights is a biblical principle and the Bible clearly then shouldn't be something we strive towards or it's not and you're wrong about the founding principles of this country.

Gods "chosen people" were enslaved, so there's that.

[Dawgfan77]

3 more death certificates changed to COVID today in MS. SMH
As I have been saying and now this nugget

"For example, If I have a brain tumor, but get COVID-19 and develop pneumonia and die the death is counted as a COVID-19 death. The key is was this a contributing factor to the death."
What if they don't have covid test!

[Cooterpoot]

As I have been saying and now this nugget

"For example, If I have a brain tumor, but get COVID-19 and develop pneumonia and die the death is counted as a COVID-19 death. The key is was this a contributing factor to the death."
What if they don't have covid test!

And it's not the hospitals doing this. MDH is changing these.

[Dawgfan77]

And it's not the hospitals doing this. MDH is changing these.
I think these numbers just add more fear

[hacker]

And it's not the hospitals doing this. MDH is changing these.

The coroners are determining the cause of death to be covid, am I wrong? There was an article about it the other day.

https://www.sunherald.com/news/coronavirus/article242446196.html

Isn't this their job? What's the problem you are suggesting? Like you said, it's not the hospitals. There is no incentive, nobody is getting money for this.

Tests are still hard to come by. Coroners are just doing their job to the best of their abilities.

[confucius say]

Right or wrong, I think people are just about over covid. Folks are tired of it and tired of sitting inside. Madison is packed today with people everywhere. And it's only going to be moreso as the summer gets here and people are out more.

[dantheman4248]

Right or wrong, I think people are just about over covid. Folks are tired of it and tired of sitting inside. Madison is packed today with people everywhere. And it's only going to be moreso as the summer gets here and people are out more.

People have shown that they really don't care about 2k others dying everyday and are making up excuses along the way (the deaths aren't counted right yadda yadda.)

Have some self respect. Just admit you're a piece of shit and don't care if other die. Take down any American flags or anything representing America. You don't care about it's people. You only care about yourself.

[Noxdog]

People have shown that they really don't care about 2k others dying everyday and are making up excuses along the way (the deaths aren't counted right yadda yadda.)

Have some self respect. Just admit you're a piece of shit and don't care if other die. Take down any American flags or anything representing America. You don't care about it's people. You only care about yourself.

But you are an angry little person, aren't you.

You seem to hate so much that it's eaten you up with misery.

I feel pity for you. Hopefully better days are ahead and I just hope you don't go all postal before you find them.

[confucius say]

People have shown that they really don't care about 2k others dying everyday and are making up excuses along the way (the deaths aren't counted right yadda yadda.)

Have some self respect. Just admit you're a piece of shit and don't care if other die. Take down any American flags or anything representing America. You don't care about it's people. You only care about yourself.

Not sure if directed at me... But either way, Jesus loves you and have a good day brother.

[dantheman4248]

But you are an angry little person, aren't you.

You seem to hate so much that it's eaten you up with misery.

I feel pity for you. Hopefully better days are ahead and I just hope you don't go all postal before you find them.

You should instead hope that these people who are so miserable being cooped up at home change their tune. They've already started mobilizing their "going all postal" and are ready to accelerate killings in this country. 80,000 deaths and counting. What would be the number that would actually make them care? (Hint: It's 1. Themselves.)

[dantheman4248]

Not sure if directed at me... But either way, Jesus loves you and have a good day brother.

Directed at the people you spoke of in your post. (The ones in this thread who fall in that group of people know who they are.)

[Noxdog]

You should instead hope that these people who are so miserable being cooped up at home change their tune. They've already started mobilizing their "going all postal" and are ready to accelerate killings in this country. 80,000 deaths and counting. What would be the number that would actually make them care? (Hint: It's 1. Themselves.)

I didn't post what I posted to say anything about your opinions or whether they are right or wrong. They are yours and you live in a Free Country and have that right to express them.

I simply said it was an observation of watching you post over a 2 month stretch. Maybe you are a modern Don Quixote?

[dawgday166]

But you are an angry little person, aren't you.

You seem to hate so much that it's eaten you up with misery.

I feel pity for you. Hopefully better days are ahead and I just hope you don't go all postal before you find them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnFr-DOPf8

[dantheman4248]

I didn't post what I posted to say anything about your opinions or whether they are right or wrong. They are yours and you live in a Free Country and have that right to express them.

I simply said it was an observation of watching you post over a 2 month stretch. Maybe you are a modern Don Quixote?

And i'm telling you that your thoughts and prayers would be better served elsewhere. Didn't make any comments on your opinions. Just with your stated goal it is better served praying over others than myself.

[Commercecomet24]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnFr-DOPf8

You know it's from a movie but it's so dang true! I've watched hate and anger absolutely destroy people's lives and it becomes the focus of their lives. It's sad.

[dantheman4248]

You know it's from a movie but it's so dang true! I've watched hate and anger absolutely destroy people's lives and it becomes the focus of their lives. It's sad.

Hate destroys not just their own lives, but others too. Maybe people should let go of their anger for being at home..? And channel it into something else?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/president-trump-ahmaud-arbery-case-calls-video-very-disturbing-situation

Damnit, not like that.

[dawgday166]

You know it's from a movie but it's so dang true! I've watched hate and anger absolutely destroy people's lives and it becomes the focus of their lives. It's sad.

It can tear folks up for sure.

[Noxdog]

And i'm telling you that your thoughts and prayers would be better served elsewhere. Didn't make any comments on your opinions. Just with your stated goal it is better served praying over others than myself.

I said pity. I didn't say I was praying for you although I pray you don't go postal.

[Commercecomet24]

Hate destroys not just their own lives, but others too. Maybe people should let go of their anger for being at home..? And channel it into something else?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/president-trump-ahmaud-arbery-case-calls-video-very-disturbing-situation

Damnit, not like that.

Yes it does, it's why I don't live with fear or anger. I've watched it destroy lives and families and it's tragic.

[BeardoMSU]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnFr-DOPf8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zXajYDnprQ

[Commercecomet24]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zXajYDnprQ

Beardo always bringing it!

[Jack Lambert]

Just got back from eating Mexican food. They were very clean and wiped both the chairs and tables with water and then disinfection. They wiped the menus and everything. If you wanted a refill on drink they did not use you glass twice. They brought you a new glass.

Also all the parking lots were full of cars at the stores. I was really amazed at the business. I guess people are ready to get on with their lives and not be fearful.

[Dawg2003]

I don't think people care anymore. I don't want to be a guinea pig for a virus we don't know about, but the reality is that we need 60-70% to gain herd immunity. Either that or hope the virus goes away like SARS and MERS. I'm not so much worried about myself, but I am worried about my dad. I don't want to be a passive carrier.

At the end of the day, you can't keep people inside. It's just not going to work in this country, so we will have to bear whatever consequence there are. I'm hoping there won't be many consequences because I'm over all of this.

[Cooterpoot]

The coroners are determining the cause of death to be covid, am I wrong? There was an article about it the other day.

https://www.sunherald.com/news/coronavirus/article242446196.html

Isn't this their job? What's the problem you are suggesting? Like you said, it's not the hospitals. There is no incentive, nobody is getting money for this.

Tests are still hard to come by. Coroners are just doing their job to the best of their abilities.

MDH is having death certificates changed to COVID.

[Jack Lambert]

MDH is having death certificates changed to COVID.

$

[Dawgfan77]

MDH is having death certificates changed to COVID.
Yep regardless of underlying conditions. Which they are allowed but the patient could have no signs one one symptom and the DC will state covid. That's why you are seeing the death by days increase but fact is some of those happened weeks ago and no one knows for sure if they were infected. That's why these numbers should be questionable IMO.

[Dawgfan77]

Pretty interesting
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-reports-lowest-number-covid-patients-in-a-month

[dantheman4248]

So irrespective of cause of death, the total deaths per day is significantly higher than normal. That's the key piece the group that keeps spouting hospitals (who aren't in charge of cause of death, that's coroners who see none of the money) are incorrectly ruling deaths as COVID.

Look, I appreciate you having the follow the money mentality. I really do, that's not sarcasm. That should be applied in so many other scenarios too. Like the entiriety of the CARES act, any of the 25+% of COVID response contracts awarded by the government with 0 competitive bidding (including $55 million to a company that has no history in the realm of medical supplies with a parent company $50 million in debt), any of the 9,000 businesses that received PPP while being tax exempt before the virus hit due to being a Catholic Church, or hell just even that government official who made a killing. in stocks the week before shit plummeted because they knew the gravity of the situation yet still voted against helping it. There's a lot of following the money and draining of the swamp that needs to be done. This president failed on his campaign promise and has only enabled those to act even more blatantly. Coroners possibly mislabeling corona as a cause of death is at the bottom of that pile.

[hacker]

MDH is having death certificates changed to COVID.

source?

[turkish]

So irrespective of cause of death, the total deaths per day is significantly higher than normal. That's the key piece the group that keeps spouting hospitals (who aren't in charge of cause of death, that's coroners who see none of the money) are incorrectly ruling deaths as COVID.

Look, I appreciate you having the follow the money mentality. I really do, that's not sarcasm. That should be applied in so many other scenarios too. Like the entiriety of the CARES act, any of the 25+% of COVID response contracts awarded by the government with 0 competitive bidding (including $55 million to a company that has no history in the realm of medical supplies with a parent company $50 million in debt), any of the 9,000 businesses that received PPP while being tax exempt before the virus hit due to being a Catholic Church, or hell just even that government official who made a killing. in stocks the week before shit plummeted because they knew the gravity of the situation yet still voted against helping it. There's a lot of following the money and draining of the swamp that needs to be done. This president failed on his campaign promise and has only enabled those to act even more blatantly. Coroners possibly mislabeling corona as a cause of death is at the bottom of that pile.
Well, something we agree on. If another candidate wants to have a go at swamp drainage, he/she will have my consideration. With that said, I never liked the swamp draining analogy. I get the sentiment, but wetlands are important.

[Cooterpoot]

source?

Head of MDH. He admitted it on tv.

[Extendedcab]

Nah he's the blasphemous idiot who thinks that this country was founded on Godly principles. He thinks the way slaves and women were treated (as property) is what God is all about. Excuse me for rejecting that interpretation of God. Socially, we are actually getting closer to what the actual 10 commandments are and finally out of archaic contradictory idiocy and racism that poisoned the true message of God.

Atheism is for chumps who stopped when they asked an elementary question and got an answer and didn't actual understand philosophy, logic, or religion in general. As much as I detest pharisees like extendedcab, I detest atheists who speak out loud like they are the smartest in the room even more.

Correlation is not causation on that one.


If you knew anything about World or US history you would be totally embarrassed by your responses! But since you don't, you have no shame or remorse!! Read about Israel and the US!! We are embarrassed for you since you are not!!

Psalms 14:1 "... The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good. ..."

Proverbs 27:22 says, “You cannot separate fools from their foolishness, even though you grind them like grain with mortar and pestle.”

Go ahead and mock God, Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap."

[Cowbell]

If you knew anything about World or US history you would be totally embarrassed by your responses! But since you don't, you have no shame or remorse!! Read about Israel and the US!! We are embarrassed for you since you are not!!

Psalms 14:1 "... The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good. ..."

Proverbs 27:22 says, “You cannot separate fools from their foolishness, even though you grind them like grain with mortar and pestle.”

Go ahead and mock God, Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap."

Have some rep brother!!

[dantheman4248]

If you knew anything about World or US history you would be totally embarrassed by your responses! But since you don't, you have no shame or remorse!! Read about Israel and the US!! We are embarrassed for you since you are not!!

Psalms 14:1 "... The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good. ..."

Proverbs 27:22 says, “You cannot separate fools from their foolishness, even though you grind them like grain with mortar and pestle.”

Go ahead and mock God, Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap."

What the **** are you even spouting. You aren't God. I'm mocking you. I've not said there is no God. I said I reject your false idol. You seem to praise some being who believes in slavery and the oppression of women. No thanks.

That second verse is spot on for you. You are foolish and cannot be stopped in your foolishness.

As for anyone celebrating that post... gotta ask why you are defending a racist. Can we be more stereotypical Mississippi here?

[Extendedcab]

What the **** are you even spouting. You aren't God. I'm mocking you. I've not said there is no God. I said I reject your false idol. You seem to praise some being who believes in slavery and the oppression of women. No thanks.

That second verse is spot on for you. You are foolish and cannot be stopped in your foolishness.

As for anyone celebrating that post... gotta ask why you are defending a racist. Can we be more stereotypical Mississippi here?

You are mocking Gods word you butt head!! I quoted Gods word and you are mocking Him not me. Race has nothing to do with it, it is pure ideology - yours is secular communism and mine is God fearing, Pro America, democratic republic - yes capitalist.

Go back to Russia comrade!! Tell your daddy Putin hello!!

[DownwardDawg]

What the **** are you even spouting. You aren't God. I'm mocking you. I've not said there is no God. I said I reject your false idol. You seem to praise some being who believes in slavery and the oppression of women. No thanks.

That second verse is spot on for you. You are foolish and cannot be stopped in your foolishness.

As for anyone celebrating that post... gotta ask why you are defending a racist. Can we be more stereotypical Mississippi here?

Racists are always the first to scream racism in cases where it doesn’t exist. You are a sad dude. Your posts are disturbing. Something is bad off.

[Liverpooldawg]

MDH is having death certificates changed to COVID.

No, they are not. They are finding ones that already listed COVID that they didn't know about. They can't change a death certificate.

[yjnkdawg]

In reference to dantheman , most people on here could care less what he thinks or says, and that should be evident to him by now. My analysis, many many many many pages ago ( 167 pages of this? unreal) was that he was trolling, loved attention, had a political agenda, and wanted all the accolades that he could possibly receive. He sounds just like a recent college graduate who thinks his degree and book learned knowledge makes him superior to everybody else out in the real world work environment. For some reason, unfortunately a few, still take his trolling bait and run with it. His goal apparently in life is to be known as the smartest person in the room, and enjoys arguing, talking down to people, and trying to prove people wrong to accept his view(s) as being the only legitimate one(s). If those who still reply to him would stop feeding the troll (so to say), I think you would see a lot less if not zero posts from him. If the attention ceases then I think the posts will as well. Most people don't care to be around or associate with someone who wants to tell people and try to prove that I know everything, enjoy trying to prove you wrong and you are clueless, stupid, an idiot, etc. Those types are a dime a dozen, and they usually meet their match sooner or later in the real world work environment. I don't know if he is like this in real life or this is just his arrogant message board persona. However, If this is his mannerism off this message board, then he should have a rude awakening somewhere on down the line in his future endeavors. I don't see how very much on this thread other than what CC and a few others post is even relevant to the intent of this thread. I don't see where statistics, political agenda(s) etc. help those of us who are trying to stay safe from Covid-19, and also in addition worrying about and also trying to procure needed (highly in demand) personal use items (not furnished by a LTC faciilty) for parents and/or other relatives in LTC facilities, some of which currently have an outbreak. I'm one of those who could care less what he thinks or says, but I'm not responding to any comments he makes concerning this or any other posts he makes. He can save his trolling bait for others. I'm just trying to follow what our actual health experts (not one or two on a message board who think they are) say, and praying that the Lord will give our leaders the knowledge and the wisdom to make the correct decisions, and that He will protect us and diminish and alleviate this virus if it is His will.

[hacker]

No, they are not. They are finding ones that already listed COVID that they didn't know about. They can't change a death certificate.

yeah, I believe cooterpoot must have misunderstood what he was saying

[Commercecomet24]

In reference to dantheman , most people on here could care less what he thinks or says, and that should be evident to him by now. My analysis, many many many many pages ago ( 167 pages of this? unreal) was that he was trolling, loved attention, had a political agenda, and wanted all the accolades that he could possibly receive. He sounds just like a recent college graduate who thinks his degree and book learned knowledge makes him superior to everybody else out in the real world work environment. For some reason, unfortunately a few, still take his trolling bait and run with it. His goal apparently in life is to be known as the smartest person in the room, and enjoys arguing, talking down to people, and trying to prove people wrong to accept his view(s) as being the only legitimate one(s). If those who still reply to him would stop feeding the troll (so to say), I think you would see a lot less if not zero posts from him. If the attention ceases then I think the posts will as well. Most people don't care to be around or associate with someone who wants to tell people and try to prove that I know everything, enjoy trying to prove you wrong and you are clueless, stupid, an idiot, etc. Those types are a dime a dozen, and they usually meet their match sooner or later in the real world work environment. I don't know if he is like this in real life or this is just his arrogant message board persona. However, If this is his mannerism off this message board, then he should have a rude awakening somewhere on down the line in his future endeavors. I don't see how very much on this thread other than what CC and a few others post is even relevant to the intent of this thread. I don't see where statistics, political agenda(s) etc. help those of us who are trying to stay safe from Covid-19, and also in addition worrying about and also trying to procure needed (highly in demand) personal use items (not furnished by a LTC faciilty) for parents and/or other relatives in LTC facilities, some of which currently have an outbreak. I'm one of those who could care less what he thinks or says, but I'm not responding to any comments he makes concerning this or any other posts he makes. He can save his trolling bait for others. I'm just trying to follow what our actual health experts (not one or two on a message board who think they are) say, and praying that the Lord will give our leaders the knowledge and the wisdom to make the correct decisions, and that He will protect us and diminish and alleviate this virus if it is His will.

Very well said!

[Dawgfan77]

https://twitter.com/realcandaceo/status/1259631071831957505?s=21

[hacker]

20k cases and 750 deaths yesterday. Lowest in 6 weeks.

[Johnson85]

So irrespective of cause of death, the total deaths per day is significantly higher than normal. That's the key piece the group that keeps spouting hospitals (who aren't in charge of cause of death, that's coroners who see none of the money) are incorrectly ruling deaths as COVID.

Look, I appreciate you having the follow the money mentality. I really do, that's not sarcasm. That should be applied in so many other scenarios too. Like the entiriety of the CARES act, any of the 25+% of COVID response contracts awarded by the government with 0 competitive bidding (including $55 million to a company that has no history in the realm of medical supplies with a parent company $50 million in debt), any of the 9,000 businesses that received PPP while being tax exempt before the virus hit due to being a Catholic Church, or hell just even that government official who made a killing. in stocks the week before shit plummeted because they knew the gravity of the situation yet still voted against helping it. There's a lot of following the money and draining of the swamp that needs to be done. This president failed on his campaign promise and has only enabled those to act even more blatantly. Coroners possibly mislabeling corona as a cause of death is at the bottom of that pile.

I don't have any knowledge about how wuhan deaths are being calculated, but I will point out that the coroner doing it doesn't really change the equation, at least in Mississippi. Our coroner's are elected officials, and in many counties, the primary hospital is a county hospital. They don't have any incentive to commit fraud, but when the local elected officials and appointed hospital board and coroner are all told by the hospital executives that they are getting hammered and are at risk of going under and the extra payments for treating wuhan patients is important, most elected officials are going to do everything short of committing fraud to ensure every potential wuhan case is classified as a wuhan case.

Not sure how much, if any, that moves the needle. Just pointing out that people respond to incentives and the incentives are apparently to err on the side of wuhan classification if they can do so non-fraudulently. And that doesn't change much if the decision making is held by the county's elected official as opposed to the county's government owned hospital ultimately overseen by other county elected officials.

[hacker]

Tater Tot apparently opened barbershops today. Anyone know where they're doing haircuts wearing this?

https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/2020-01-26_11-48-58.jpg

[confucius say]

Tater Tot apparently opened barbershops today. Anyone know where they're doing haircuts wearing this?

https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/2020-01-26_11-48-58.jpg

I got mine cut a this morning at The Glossary Salon. Very smooth, mask required, touchless pay, no other customers anywhere close to me. One in, one out.

[confucius say]

MS cases and deaths both down today. Maybe that short lived heat wave 10 days ago is paying off.

[hacker]

I got mine cut a this morning at The Glossary Salon. Very smooth, mask required, touchless pay, no other customers anywhere close to me. One in, one out.

30 min drive.. hmm

[confucius say]

30 min drive.. hmm

Was 35 for me

[SheltonChoked]

As I have been saying and now this nugget

"For example, If I have a brain tumor, but pass out behind the wheel and get in a car accident and develop a steering wheel through my chest and die the death is counted as a Automobile accident death. The key is was this a contributing factor to the death."
What if they don't have Traffic Ticket!

If the Experts (Coroner) think he died of Covid, then he's listed as a COVID death. Same as any other death...

FIFY

[hacker]

If the Experts (Coroner) think he died of Covid, then he's listed as a COVID death. Same as any other death...

FIFY

Yep.

[dantheman4248]

Seriously sad to see people backing someone saying that a principle of Christianity is slavery and wanting to go back to the values this country was founded on. It's stereotypical Mississippi to want to undo good progress. I mean I lived in this state my whole life so I should know by now you idiots still exist, but not a damn one of you would dare spout that stupid shit in my neighborhood.

[Cooterpoot]

If the Experts (Coroner) think he died of Covid, then he's listed as a COVID death. Same as any other death...

FIFY

And MDH changes it even if they don't sometimes. Coroners aren't trained professionals in this state in most areas.

[Dawgology]

And MDH changes it even if they don't sometimes. Coroners aren't trained professionals in this state in most areas.

THis is correct. Coroners are an elected position and, in most counties, it's more a popularity contest as opposed to an election based on qualification. They have to take a 2 week course once elected to learn how to do the paperwork,et c and get "certified".

[Dawgfan77]

And MDH changes it even if they don't sometimes. Coroners aren't trained professionals in this state in most areas.

You are correct with this statement. Most of the easy way out if an autopsy or testing is not needed. See my previous post from twitter

[hacker]

They're doing the same thing they do with other death certificates.

Besides, what are the grand implications of adding 3 suspected covid deaths?

I saw where NYC retracted 147 suspected deaths after further investigations.

There's no conspiracy here, y'all.

[Jack Lambert]

Besides, what are the grand implications of adding 3 suspected covid deaths?

You sound like my kids when they say it's only $10.00 dad. What they don't understand is 10.00 here and 10.00 there add up to 100 dollars. When you take that 3 over and over and over all over the nation it adds up real fast.

[hacker]

You sound like my kids when they say it's only $10.00 dad. What they don't understand is 10.00 here and 10.00 there add up to 100 dollars. When you take that 3 over and over and over all over the nation it adds up real fast.

Why did NYC retract 147?

Do you question the CDC's flu death numbers that are literally just spit out of a machine? They don't go around swabbing every dead body for the flu. But I'm sure you've quoted those numbers before as this saga has unfolded.

[Jack Lambert]

Why did NYC retract 147?

Do you question the CDC's flu death numbers that are literally just spit out of a machine? They don't go around swabbing every dead body for the flu. But I'm sure you've quoted those numbers before as this saga has unfolded.

I question everything coming out the establishment in Government both Sate and Federal. They have no idea what we common people in the belt way really think and feel. They are clueless. Everything they do is for a political gain.

[hacker]

CDC says virus toll worse than official count in NYC

https://apnews.com/9220c34f63461b56aeb06cc7645a91ae

[msstate7]

CDC says virus toll worse than official count in NYC

https://apnews.com/9220c34f63461b56aeb06cc7645a91ae

https://apple.news/AcYaGtUHFQ8ms70oEZkhmkg

[Dawgfan77]

https://apple.news/AcYaGtUHFQ8ms70oEZkhmkg

Select group here and other places don't want to here this...

[msstate7]

Select group here and other places don't want to here this...

I have no idea who to believe on any of this. I did find it interesting she said that though

[confucius say]

Seriously sad to see people backing someone saying that a principle of Christianity is slavery and wanting to go back to the values this country was founded on. It's stereotypical Mississippi to want to undo good progress. I mean I lived in this state my whole life so I should know by now you idiots still exist, but not a damn one of you would dare spout that stupid shit in my neighborhood.

Who said a principle of Christianity is slavery?

With which principles upon which this country was founded do you take exception?

[Joebob]

I question everything coming out the establishment in Government both Sate and Federal. They have no idea what we common people in the belt way really think and feel. They are clueless. Everything they do is for a political gain.

That?s sad that you actually think like that. It tells me you know very little about the majority of the people that make up the government. You really need to get out more.

I guess what I?m really trying to say is that not everybody that works for the government is a politician.

[Dawgcap]

That?s sad that you actually think like that. It tells me you know very little about the majority of the people that make up the government. You really need to get out more.

I guess what I?m really trying to say is that not everybody that works for the government is a politician.

I?m not speaking for Jack but maybe I am. The problem is most don?t distrust government workers, we distrust the politicians and the majority of leaders who have been appointed by favor.
While there are decent leaders there are so many corrupted by money and power. I think our state auditor has shown those facts recently and I honestly don?t care what political group they represent. Just my uninformed thoughts I guess

[Jack Lambert]

That?s sad that you actually think like that. It tells me you know very little about the majority of the people that make up the government. You really need to get out more.

I guess what I?m really trying to say is that not everybody that works for the government is a politician.

I am 55 years old. I have voted in every election since 1984. I served in the Marine Corp went to war. I have been following politics since Ronald Reagan first ran against Jimmy Carter. I still follow it today. I have just learn by experience too know they are lying when they say thats rain falling on my back.

[dantheman4248]

Who said a principle of Christianity is slavery?

With which principles upon which this country was founded do you take exception?

Extendedcab keeps saying this country was founded up Christian values.

This country's economy was founded upon the exportation of cotton and exploitation of free labor (and of course no taxation w/o representation). Women and POC were considered property and less than the white man. These were tenets of the society. Over half this country's life women haven't been allowed to vote. We just crossed the 100 year mark of that.

That stuff doesn't mesh with what the Bible is all about. So extendedcab is just hiding behind a veil of "muh christian values" while wanting to go back to the way things were. Despicable.

If you need further proof that the country was definitely not founded on Christian values... the first amendment flies completely opposite of the first commandment.

(And before you go into the argument that it was better than other places in the world at the time. Cool. The debate is about versus now. Now the country is closer to God's vision than it ever has been. Not saying much but slavery isn't a high bar to beat.)

[StateDawg44]

Just stop responding folks...

[hacker]

https://apple.news/AcYaGtUHFQ8ms70oEZkhmkg

haha fair enough

[hacker]

I have no idea who to believe on any of this. I did find it interesting she said that though

Well, the CDC isn't the only source saying excess deaths are crazy high. It's just another one.

And measuring excess deaths is the best way of measuring the impact of a crisis right? We're not worried about who was actually tested, who said what about whose death certificate, etc. The only thing it tells us is how many people died. You can't really influence those numbers one way or another unless they're just lying about the number of dead bodies.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXNr-uRXYAE6R_I?format=jpg&name=medium

[hacker]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EW9Qk47XgAAjit1?format=jpg

[hacker]

And in other news, they found 6 new cases in Wuhan so they're planning to test 11 million people over the next 10 days.

1260050233033179137

By comparison, we've tested around 10 million total so far.

[msstate7]

And in other news, they found 6 new cases in Wuhan so they're planning to test 11 million people over the next 10 days.

1260050233033179137

By comparison, we've tested around 10 million total so far.

The Chinese built a skyscraper in like 17 days. If they want to do that many tests, I don't doubt their ability to do so.

[Johnson85]

That?s sad that you actually think like that. It tells me you know very little about the majority of the people that make up the government. You really need to get out more.

I guess what I?m really trying to say is that not everybody that works for the government is a politician.


Corrupt politicians are manageable. We've always had it and managed it to different degrees. What is going to be a bigger problem for the country is the politicized and corrupt bureaucrats. We've had that to to different degrees, but I'm not sure if it's ever been this bad, especially at the federal level.

[Dawgfan77]

More info coming out that this virus has been in the US as early as Nov -Jan. Also, more testing does equal the probability of more positive cases. I would pay more attention to hospitalization than positive cases. Just cause you have it doesn't mean it's a death sentence.
It's time to open this bitch up

[Homedawg]

More info coming out that this virus has been in the US as early as Nov -Jan. Also, more testing does equal the probability of more positive cases. I would pay more attention to hospitalization than positive cases. Just cause you have it doesn't mean it's a death sentence.
It's time to open this bitch up

I know there will be lots of ups and downs, but we hit a month low on hospitalizations and ICU in yesterday's report. Meaning Mississippi.

[Extendedcab]

Extendedcab keeps saying this country was founded up Christian values.

This country's economy was founded upon the exportation of cotton and exploitation of free labor (and of course no taxation w/o representation). Women and POC were considered property and less than the white man. These were tenets of the society. Over half this country's life women haven't been allowed to vote. We just crossed the 100 year mark of that.

That stuff doesn't mesh with what the Bible is all about. So extendedcab is just hiding behind a veil of "muh christian values" while wanting to go back to the way things were. Despicable.

If you need further proof that the country was definitely not founded on Christian values... the first amendment flies completely opposite of the first commandment.

(And before you go into the argument that it was better than other places in the world at the time. Cool. The debate is about versus now. Now the country is closer to God's vision than it ever has been. Not saying much but slavery isn't a high bar to beat.)


Can we get this guy banned? I have responded repeatedly to this guy in PMs but he still brings his off-topic posts to this thread!

[Cooterpoot]

Hospitalization is currently running at around 5% of the cases that I'm seeing. Vent use is about 1%. Death is about .5%. That's just the areas I see.

[StateDawg44]

Can we get this guy banned?


Just put him out to pasture and don't acknowledge him.

[chef dixon]

The trends across the world overall look encouraging to me. I wonder if weather is helping more than thought prior. My question is how do we get to the point where one person testing positive won't shut down an entire sports league? Hopefully no spikes the next month or so during the re-open will make that seem less scary.

[Jack Lambert]

The Chinese built a skyscraper in like 17 days. If they want to do that many tests, I don't doubt their ability to do so.

Any modern country can build a sky scrapper in 17 days and it be safe. The issue is, it will be a rectangle building with no style just plain. It would like a Jim Walter home. Investors in the United States are not interested in that.

[hacker]

It's time to open this bitch up

Is it not?

[msstate7]

Probably too early to spike the ball just yet, but Georgia is looking good. If this continues, a lot of people are gonna owe kemp an apology

[Jack Lambert]

Probably too early to spike the ball just yet, but Georgia is looking good. If this continues, a lot of people are gonna owe kemp an apology

I think everyone is going to get it and going back to work is not going to change that. In fact I think Multiple millions have already had it.

[Cooterpoot]

Projections are that 70%+ of the world will contract it, no matter the measures taken.

[Johnson85]

Projections are that 70%+ of the world will contract it, no matter the measures taken.

I think that 70% was based on an R0 that has since been revised upwards when they realized how many asymptomatic cases there are. So that 70% number may be low compared to current expectations.

[Johnson85]

How fat do you have to be to be high risk?

The Kaiser Family Foundation pegged the BMI at 40, which is morbidly obese. https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/how-many-adults-are-at-risk-of-serious-illness-if-infected-with-coronavirus/

Not sure what data they are basing that on or how reliable it is, but thought it might be of interest to a lot of posters here. I was hoping that it wasn't really people with a BMI of 30 or 31, which is technically obese but brings in a lot of reasonably healthy people, even if they are overweight (and also includes a not insignificant number of people that are healthy nuts and lifters).

[hacker]

Here's the excess deaths graphic broken down for certain states

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EX1AFPJXQAEoUen?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Extendedcab]

Projections are that 70%+ of the world will contract it, no matter the measures taken.

You don't think that eventually everybody will contract it given how contagious it is?

[Liverpooldawg]

You don't think that eventually everybody will contract it given how contagious it is?

There will always be people who are not susceptible to any disease. Not everybody got the Spanish Flu or the Black Death either.

[Liverpooldawg]

How fat do you have to be to be high risk?

The Kaiser Family Foundation pegged the BMI at 40, which is morbidly obese. https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/how-many-adults-are-at-risk-of-serious-illness-if-infected-with-coronavirus/

Not sure what data they are basing that on or how reliable it is, but thought it might be of interest to a lot of posters here. I was hoping that it wasn't really people with a BMI of 30 or 31, which is technically obese but brings in a lot of reasonably healthy people, even if they are overweight (and also includes a not insignificant number of people that are healthy nuts and lifters).

BMI over 40 is in the definition of high risk that we have been issued by the state to work under. It makes a big difference in the procedures we can do.

[Cooterpoot]

You don't think that eventually everybody will contract it given how contagious it is?

100%? No. We'll have a vaccine before that point.

[Jack Lambert]

BMI over 40 is in the definition of high risk that we have been issued by the state to work under. It makes a big difference in the procedures we can do.

BMI is misleading. You can be overweight by that scale and only be 4% body fat.

[Dawgology]

100%? No. We'll have a vaccine before that point.

Doubt it. This will be endimic to the population and will occur yearly in waves much like the flu. There may be a seasonal vaccine eventually (much like the flu) but about the only way to create a permanent vaccine will be to create a DNA/RNA based 3rd (or even 4th) generation vaccine which will takes years to develop. I don't think the coronaviruses lend themselves to typical antibody vaccines.

[Dawgfan77]

Interesting
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

[Commercecomet24]

Hospitalization is currently running at around 5% of the cases that I'm seeing. Vent use is about 1%. Death is about .5%. That's just the areas I see.

I concur with this. Based on the hospital admins I deal with the numbers you mentioned are the same.

[Dawg2003]

Doubt it. This will be endimic to the population and will occur yearly in waves much like the flu. There may be a seasonal vaccine eventually (much like the flu) but about the only way to create a permanent vaccine will be to create a DNA/RNA based 3rd (or even 4th) generation vaccine which will takes years to develop. I don't think the coronaviruses lend themselves to typical antibody vaccines.

Yup. We're stuck with this virus for the duration.

[Cooterpoot]

Doubt it. This will be endimic to the population and will occur yearly in waves much like the flu. There may be a seasonal vaccine eventually (much like the flu) but about the only way to create a permanent vaccine will be to create a DNA/RNA based 3rd (or even 4th) generation vaccine which will takes years to develop. I don't think the coronaviruses lend themselves to typical antibody vaccines.

IF everyone is immune after catching it, spreading slows down. High end projections put it at 70% of the world population. Never, will 100% of the population catch it.

[Liverpooldawg]

BMI is misleading. You can be overweight by that scale and only be 4% body fat.

I'm just telling you how the MS Dept of Health defines the weight risk. I'm 5'10 and around 170-175. I'd have to be about 285 to get to 40.

[Jack Lambert]

I'm just telling you how the MS Dept of Health defines the weight risk. I'm 5'10 and around 170-175. I'd have to be about 285 to get to 40.

I wasn't trying to argue or come at you. I was just giving an opinion.

[Liverpooldawg]

I concur with this. Based on the hospital admins I deal with the numbers you mentioned are the same.

The current rate in MS is 17.9% That has been dropping though. One observation: I may very well be wrong but from what I can tell most of the nursing home deaths here, and we have had a lot, are occurring in the nursing home, not the hospital. Are we not sending nursing home COVID patients to the hospital anymore?

[Commercecomet24]

The current rate in MS is 17.9%

I'm not just in Mississippi, I deal with over 60 hospitals in 8 states and the average rate is the same as Cooter mentioned.

[Dawg2003]

Do we know how long the immunity lasts if you get COVID?

[Commercecomet24]

The current rate in MS is 17.9% That has been dropping though. One observation: I may very well be wrong but from what I can tell most of the nursing home deaths here, and we have had a lot, are occurring in the nursing home, not the hospital. Are we not sending nursing home COVID patients to the hospital anymore?

Yes that has been happening with the nursing homes and that is a really good question.

[SheltonChoked]

BMI is misleading. You can be overweight by that scale and only be 4% body fat.

I agree, but that's why the Risk limit is a BMI of 40

BTW a 40 BMI is 6'0" and over 300 lbs...

[SheltonChoked]

Do we know how long the immunity lasts if you get COVID?


For Mers it is about 34 months and Sars, it's about 2-3 years.

For the 'ronas that cause a cold, it's about 6 months for immunity and a year to "make it a mild infection"

[Liverpooldawg]

Do we know how long the immunity lasts if you get COVID?

No, we do not even know that you will get immunity. The assumption is you do. With the other coronaviruses it is 3 months to 2 years.

[Dawg2003]

Oh jeez. That means people could potentially get reinfected this fall.

[Jack Lambert]

No, we do not even know that you will get immunity. The assumption is you do. With the other coronaviruses it is 3 months to 2 years.

Fauci did say something today that gives hope. He said that with so many people's body having the ability to fight off the virus naturally with no effect, that will help speed up the process of a new vaccine. The vaccine might just be replicating that. . A lot of vaccine I guess infect you with the virus to be immune but replicating this process of the body naturally fighting off the virus could possible speed things up.

[Dawgology]

IF everyone is immune after catching it, spreading slows down. High end projections put it at 70% of the world population. Never, will 100% of the population catch it.

Is everyone immune? I'm not sure that has been established.

No other coronavirus renders life long immunity...I don't see why this one would be any different. This is why I'm saying that this will become endimic to humanity (much like the flu, cold, etc). I'm sure they will have better treatments over time so that will help with hospitalization, duration, and mortality rate. Eventually they may create a seasonal vaccine (much like the flu) that would require a booster each year. They could possibly make a DNA/RNA based vaccince but those require extensive research and testing. Any time you alter someone's DNA to combat an illness you are potentially creating a cascade of other issues.

[Dawgology]

Fauci did say something today that gives hope. He said that with so many people's body having the ability to fight off the virus naturally with no effect, that will help speed up the process of a new vaccine. The vaccine might just be replicating that. . A lot of vaccine I guess infect you with the virus to be immune but replicating this process of the body naturally fighting off the virus could possible speed things up.

That is literally what a vaccine is.

[Jack Lambert]

That is literally what a vaccine is.

Yes I understood that but what facui said they may not have to go that approach. They may be able to replicate what goes on in those who have no symptoms and the body naturally fighting off the virus.

[Dawgology]

Yes I understood that but what facui said they may not have to go that approach. They may be able to replicate what goes on in those who have no symptoms and the body naturally fighting off the virus.

Ok I misunderstood your post. You mean from a treament standpoint?

[confucius say]

Is everyone immune? I'm not sure that has been established.

No other coronavirus renders life long immunity...I don't see why this one would be any different. This is why I'm saying that this will become endimic to humanity (much like the flu, cold, etc). I'm sure they will have better treatments over time so that will help with hospitalization, duration, and mortality rate. Eventually they may create a seasonal vaccine (much like the flu) that would require a booster each year. They could possibly make a DNA/RNA based vaccince but those require extensive research and testing. Any time you alter someone's DNA to combat an illness you are potentially creating a cascade of other issues.

Why did sars and mers and other coronaviruses go away without a vaccine? Herd immunity due to minimal mutation of the virus?

[Jack Lambert]

Ok I misunderstood your post. You mean from a treament standpoint?

Yes but I might have misunderstood him. He is hard to follow sometimes but he did say if they can replicate how certain people have not adverse effect from the virus, that would not take as long.

[Turfdawg67]

Why did sars and mers and other coronaviruses go away without a vaccine? Herd immunity due to minimal mutation of the virus?

Because all viruses are different? The flu has never gone away.

[confucius say]

Because all viruses are different? The flu has never gone away.

I think that's bc the flu mutates. There are four strains (A through D, with only A and B being prevalent I believe) and A and B mutate often, thereby decreasing immunity.

Early studies show minimal mutation of covid 19, so that is good. It is a RNA virus and several of those have been largely eradicated without a vaccine because they didn't mutate fast enough to outpace immunity.

[SheltonChoked]

Why did sars and mers and other coronaviruses go away without a vaccine? Herd immunity due to minimal mutation of the virus?

For SARS
Where has SARS gone? The short answer is that public health measures were effective. Although SARS caused a reported 774 deaths worldwide between November 2002 and July 2003, case detection, isolation, quarantine, along with contact tracing, broke the chain of transmission.


For MERS, they think it was mostly spread by Camels..

The disease therefore seems to spread due to frequent animal-to-human transmission, from camels to humans, with limited subsequent human-to-human transmissions.


BTW Reading the warning of this pisses me of....


SARS also exists as a potentiality in the wild. SARS-like viruses have been reported in a colony of bats in China?s Yunnan Province. From analyses of whole-genome sequences of these novel bat coronaviruses, it has been suggested that they are closely related to the SARS coronavirus. A 2013 paper in Nature reported ?the strongest evidence to date that Chinese horseshoe bats are natural reservoirs of SARS coronaviruses, and that intermediate hosts may not be necessary for direct human infection.? The study also suggested a potential for future spillovers and stressed ?the importance of pathogen-discovery programs targeting high-risk wildlife groups in emerging disease hotspots as a strategy for pandemic preparedness.? In other words, the complex events that triggered the disease outbreak in 2003 could reoccur.

[confucius say]

For SARS


For MERS, they think it was mostly spread by Camels..



BTW Reading the warning of this pisses me of....

Effin China bats

[hacker]

Effin China bats

SARS was scary if you got it. But it was much easier to contain because if you had it, you knew you had it. You weren't contagious until you were showing symptoms. I think around only 10,000 people were infected and they were able to completely eliminate it through quarantine and contact tracing.

Ebola outbreaks are similar.

Just for kicks, imagine Ebola with asymptomatic spreaders. Now that'd be a ****ing nightmare.

[Johnson85]

SARS was scary if you got it. But it was much easier to contain because if you had it, you knew you had it. You weren't contagious until you were showing symptoms. I think around only 10,000 people were infected and they were able to completely eliminate it through quarantine and contact tracing.

Ebola outbreaks are similar.

Just for kicks, imagine Ebola with asymptomatic spreaders. Now that'd be a ****ing nightmare.

Swollen testicles the size of grapefruits. (or maybe that's marburg).

[Jack Lambert]

Swollen testicles the size of grapefruits. (or maybe that's marburg).

I remember getting the mumps when I was a little kid. My dad who broke his back in Vietnam was home from the hospital. I remember hearing him talking to my mom about Marines getting mumps while over there, not being able to get treatment, having those mumps drop to their nuts and testicles becoming swollen. It scared the hell out of me.

[Commercecomet24]

I remember getting the mumps when I was a little kid. My dad who broke his back in Vietnam was home from the hospital. I remember hearing him talking to my mom about Marines getting mumps while over there, not being able to get treatment, having those mumps drop to their nuts and testicles becoming swollen. It scared the hell out of me.

Yeah the mumps can sterilize you, it's pretty serious if not taken care of properly. Glad I never got it.

[Cooterpoot]

Yes that has been happening with the nursing homes and that is a really good question.

Many are being set to the hospital. I know of at least 4 who died in the hospital. In many cases, the outbreak (knowledge of it) started with a hospital visit because that's the first time they were tested. That's changed now.
I've seen homes attempt to isolate patients that test positive (doesn't work). My guess is family simply allows some to pass away and some have DNRs.

[msstate7]

My antibody test was negative for past and current exposure.

[Dawgology]

Why did sars and mers and other coronaviruses go away without a vaccine? Herd immunity due to minimal mutation of the virus?

Others have answered this but I'll throw my 2 cents in. Sars-1 has a (at most) 5 day gestation period but is apparent that you are sick pretty early on and there was a high likelihood that it would kill you. Viruses that present quickly and kill the host typically don't last long in a population because the virus basically kills itself off by killing the host. Sars 1 can be contained easily because you know you have it quick and it kills the host quickly. Sars has about a 20% mortality rate through all ages and a 50% mortality rate for 60+.

MERS is much the same but has a 35% mortality rate overall and spreads more slowly it appears (which is a good thing).

Scientists have not been able to create a stable vaccine or specific treatment for either of these COVIDs. SARS-1 has been around for about 15 years and MERS for about 8 years.

[DownwardDawg]

My antibody test was negative for past and current exposure.

Due to my job, I will be getting tested for the virus and the antibodies on a regular basis (fun). That is starting within the next week or two.

[FISHDAWG]

Any modern country can build a sky scrapper in 17 days and it be safe. The issue is, it will be a rectangle building with no style just plain. It would like a Jim Walter home. Investors in the United States are not interested in that.

not in the US ... cant use wood framing in anything over 5 stories per code and concrete takes a minimum of 28 days to cure .... shoring can't be removed before 21 days .... not to mention site development and utilities rough in ........ The Chinese are lying again

[msstate7]

Due to my job, I will be getting tested for the virus and the antibodies on a regular basis (fun). That is starting within the next week or two.

Antibody test was nothing, blood. The actual test though, screw that

[Commercecomet24]

Antibody test was nothing, blood. The actual test though, screw that

Lol yeah, the actual test is not pleasant.

[BrunswickDawg]

not in the US ... cant use wood framing in anything over 5 stories per code and concrete takes a minimum of 28 days to cure .... shoring can't be removed before 21 days .... not to mention site development and utilities rough in ........ The Chinese are lying again

The reaction of all of us bureaucrats reading Jack's post:

https://media.giphy.com/media/12msOFU8oL1eww/giphy.gif

[DownwardDawg]

Antibody test was nothing, blood. The actual test though, screw that

Yeah.....I'm pretty excited about having to do that***

[SheltonChoked]

SARS was scary if you got it. But it was much easier to contain because if you had it, you knew you had it. You weren't contagious until you were showing symptoms. I think around only 10,000 people were infected and they were able to completely eliminate it through quarantine and contact tracing.

Ebola outbreaks are similar.

Just for kicks, imagine Ebola with asymptomatic spreaders. Now that'd be a ****ing nightmare.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/66e286f94a2f4690dbdafbf124be4aa3/tenor.gif?itemid=5300948

[SheltonChoked]

Swollen testicles the size of grapefruits. (or maybe that's marburg).

We have seen what a disease with a Ebola CFR and with "asymptomatic spreaders"

Plague

[Jack Lambert]

not in the US ... cant use wood framing in anything over 5 stories per code and concrete takes a minimum of 28 days to cure .... shoring can't be removed before 21 days .... not to mention site development and utilities rough in ........ The Chinese are lying again

I used the wrong verbiage. They have the ability to do it. The building was prefabricated and assembled in 17 days.. It is very possible china is lying. Hell they lie about everything. But if you throw out all safety and environmental regulation and not care how many workers die or how many hours they have to work it which they can do in China it is possible to assemble an prefabricated building. I would not want to work in it.

[fishwater99]

Others have answered this but I'll throw my 2 cents in. Sars-1 has a (at most) 5 day gestation period but is apparent that you are sick pretty early on and there was a high likelihood that it would kill you. Viruses that present quickly and kill the host typically don't last long in a population because the virus basically kills itself off by killing the host. Sars 1 can be contained easily because you know you have it quick and it kills the host quickly. Sars has about a 20% mortality rate through all ages and a 50% mortality rate for 60+.

MERS is much the same but has a 35% mortality rate overall and spreads more slowly it appears (which is a good thing).

Scientists have not been able to create a stable vaccine or specific treatment for either of these COVIDs. SARS-1 has been around for about 15 years and MERS for about 8 years.

So how can we make one for COVID-19 ?

[confucius say]

SARS was scary if you got it. But it was much easier to contain because if you had it, you knew you had it. You weren't contagious until you were showing symptoms. I think around only 10,000 people were infected and they were able to completely eliminate it through quarantine and contact tracing.

Ebola outbreaks are similar.

Just for kicks, imagine Ebola with asymptomatic spreaders. Now that'd be a ****ing nightmare.

That's why I feel like contact tracing is largely a waste of time. By the time I know I'm positive and start trace, I've been shedding virus for the last five days around 100 people who each have then went and been around another 100 people.

[SheltonChoked]

That's why I feel like contact tracing is largely a waste of time. By the time I know I'm positive and start trace, I've been shedding virus for the last five days around 100 people who each have then went and been around another 100 people.

The assumption with contact tracing is that you would not continue to spend 5+minutes talking to a 100 people after you were tested....

But yeah if you try and contact trace during a normal football season, it's useless...

[confucius say]

The assumption with contact tracing is that you would not continue to spend 5+minutes talking to a 100 people after you were tested....

But yeah if you try and contact trace during a normal football season, it's useless...

But by the time I go get tested I've already been shedding virus for several days around 100 people.

[SheltonChoked]

But by the time I go get tested I've already been shedding virus for several days around 100 people.

So, if you are positive, all of those people have to be tested....

This is not that complicated....

And again, the assumption is you don't go around exposing people if you think you have it.

The assumption is, people will not act like assholes going around spreading the virus, if they think they have the virus and need to be tested.

I see some on here that would spread it on purpose...

[FISHDAWG]

I used the wrong verbiage. They have the ability to do it. The building was prefabricated and assembled in 17 days.. It is very possible china is lying. Hell they lie about everything. But if you throw out all safety and environmental regulation and not care how many workers die or how many hours they have to work it which they can do in China it is possible to assemble an prefabricated building. I would not want to work in it.

I have heavy experience in construction fabrication from load bearing steel framing to pre-stress concrete plank flooring to prefinished exterior wall panels to trusses to bathroom pods and hospital rooms with headwalls and everything ready to go ..... there's absolutely no way it can be done ... not even a 4 story structure - much much less a tower
Again the Chinese are lying like they are taught from birth to do

[Jack Lambert]

I have heavy experience in construction fabrication from load bearing steel framing to pre-stress concrete plank flooring to prefinished exterior wall panels to trusses to bathroom pods and hospital rooms with headwalls and everything ready to go ..... there's absolutely no way it can be done ... not even a 4 story structure - much much less a tower
Again the Chinese are lying like they are taught from birth to do

I don't know and no reason to argue about it. China lies and they lie a bunch.

[confucius say]

So, if you are positive, all of those people have to be tested....

This is not that complicated....

And again, the assumption is you don't go around exposing people if you think you have it.

The assumption is, people will not act like assholes going around spreading the virus, if they think they have the virus and need to be tested.

I see some on here that would spread it on purpose...

I certainly would not spread it on purpose.

But it won't work. Practically, this is how it works. I start feeling symptoms and stop being around people right then and go get tested. By that time, I've been shedding virus for 5 days and have been around 100+ people. There are not enough hours in the day for someone to contact those 100 people and the 100 people each of them have been around the last five days. Like literally, you could make calls 24/7 and not have enough time to do that. Contact tracing won't work with this.

[dawgday166]

So, if you are positive, all of those people have to be tested....

This is not that complicated....

And again, the assumption is you don't go around exposing people if you think you have it.

The assumption is, people will not act like assholes going around spreading the virus, if they think they have the virus and need to be tested.

I see some on here that would spread it on purpose...

Bullshit ... it's very complicated. The idea of the matter is simple, but the reality and practicality is complex.

[Dawgfan77]

Let's talk about GA and FL. You states that a lot of liberals here were saying it's going to be a death trap. Cases down deaths down. GA been open for 17 days.

When are some people going to realize that we overacted as a country. Seems to me that some people want to be controlled by government. Your fathers and your grandfathers didn't fight for our freedoms only for some of these liberal people to just give up your freedom electively.

[Dawgology]

Let's talk about GA and FL. You states that a lot of liberals here were saying it's going to be a death trap. Cases down deaths down. GA been open for 17 days.

When are some people going to realize that we overacted as a country. Seems to me that some people want to be controlled by government. Your fathers and your grandfathers didn't fight for our freedoms only for some of these liberal people to just give up your freedom electively.

The virus is real. The overreaction is largely propagated by the media and certain elected officials and lobbyist that want to see a change in who is President in November. Create mass hysteria, create massive economic issues, drive up unemployment, etc. etc. It's all a dog and pony show. Throw in approval to vote by mail and you have yourself an election.

[Dawgfan77]

The virus is real. The overreaction is largely propagated by the media and certain elected officials and lobbyist that want to see a change in who is President in November. Create mass hysteria, create massive economic issues, drive up unemployment, etc. etc. It's all a dog and pony show. Throw in approval to vote by mail and you have yourself an election.

My apologies for coming off as the virus not being real it is. My point is much like yours. This reaction was in part because it's the only way the left thought they had against the current president. Today's news didn't really help matters.

[Todd4State]

The virus is real. The overreaction is largely propagated by the media and certain elected officials and lobbyist that want to see a change in who is President in November. Create mass hysteria, create massive economic issues, drive up unemployment, etc. etc. It's all a dog and pony show. Throw in approval to vote by mail and you have yourself an election.

And I can guarantee you we won't have a vaccine until after November 3. I wouldn't be surprised if it magically happens shortly after that though.

[confucius say]

My apologies for coming off as the virus not being real it is. My point is much like yours. This reaction was in part because it's the only way the left thought they had against the current president. Today's news didn't really help matters.

Today's news?

[SheltonChoked]

I certainly would not spread it on purpose.

But it won't work. Practically, this is how it works. I start feeling symptoms and stop being around people right then and go get tested. By that time, I've been shedding virus for 5 days and have been around 100+ people. There are not enough hours in the day for someone to contact those 100 people and the 100 people each of them have been around the last five days. Like literally, you could make calls 24/7 and not have enough time to do that. Contact tracing won't work with this.

Except we know it does.

Even in places more densely populated.

It worked in Hong Kong and South Korea.

And you have to spend more than 5 minutes with each person( or close to them) to be a contact. That 8 hours of close talking to 100 different people.

You guys act like it's impossible. But it is done.

The White House is doing it.

[SheltonChoked]

Let's talk about GA and FL. You states that a lot of liberals here were saying it's going to be a death trap. Cases down deaths down. GA been open for 17 days.

When are some people going to realize that we overacted as a country. Seems to me that some people want to be controlled by government. Your fathers and your grandfathers didn't fight for our freedoms only for some of these liberal people to just give up your freedom electively.

Georgia had it's highest day of reported cases (931) on April 27. Just 2 days outside the "Uncertainty window". Might want to wait and see before you celebrate.

Seems that some want to be assholes.

But no denying Trump ****ed and is ****ing this up.

[dawgday166]

Georgia had it's highest day of reported cases (931) on April 27. Just 2 days outside the "Uncertainty window". Might want to wait and see before you celebrate.

Seems that some want to be assholes.

But no denying Trump ****ed and is ****ing this up.

So Fauci was still saying around mid to end of January we didn't have to be concerned with Covid. Trump was listening to his advisors seems like to me. And who among the leadership in Washington was saying anything otherwise at that time. I'm listening??? Not one of the dems were.

As far as now, what do you think Trump should do that he's not doing? Martial law and lock us down??

[Jack Lambert]

Georgia had it's highest day of reported cases (931) on April 27. Just 2 days outside the "Uncertainty window". Might want to wait and see before you celebrate.

Seems that some want to be assholes.

But no denying Trump ****ed and is ****ing this up.

Stands to reason as we open up and test more people the number of positive cases are going to go up. It has to run it's course.

[Gutter Cobreh]

So Fauci was still saying around mid to end of January we didn't have to be concerned with Covid. Trump was listening to his advisors seems like to me. And who among the leadership in Washington was saying anything otherwise at that time. I'm listening??? Not one of the dems were.

As far as now, what do you think Trump should do that he's not doing? Martial law and lock us down??

He had already disbanded/cut/fired everyone except Fauci - so there was no one left to provide guidance.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

[dawgday166]

He had already disbanded/cut/fired everyone except Fauci - so there was no one left to provide guidance.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/

Can't read .. don't have a subscription. Maybe so tho .. I don't know.

I just know Pelosi, Schumer, Cuomo, and others are on the record as not concerned with it around that time either too.

ETA: And my question still stands on what he should do now that he isn't doing? Dems fixin to try and pass out $5 trill additional dollars to folks. Seems like some folks might be concerned with their kids/grandkids future but instead seems like they concerned with their parents/grandparents health or their own.

And FWIW ... not a republican or democrat either.

[DownwardDawg]

Things are opening up and I'm glad. Outdoor venues in Alabama are opening up for live music. My son will be performing multiple shows in Huntsville starting next week. It's about damn time we get back some of our normalcy. It'll be interesting to see how many people they let congregate and if we'll have to wear masks. I'll probably be wearing one regardless.

[confucius say]

Except we know it does.

Even in places more densely populated.

It worked in Hong Kong and South Korea.

And you have to spend more than 5 minutes with each person( or close to them) to be a contact. That 8 hours of close talking to 100 different people.

You guys act like it's impossible. But it is done.

The White House is doing it.

Hong Kong? Come on now. There is no tangible, scientific data showing contact tracing has worked or will work with this virus. SK model was test like crazy on the front end and isolate. Proactive. Contact tracing is reactive. It doesn't work with this virus, unfortunately. If you started showing symptoms quickly after contracting the virus (Ebola), it would work great.

And if the prerequisite to be a contact is more than 5 minutes close to a person, that tells you it's never going to work. You can spread the virus to 100 people a day and never be around any of them more than 5 minutes.

[hacker]

Taken in good ole Hickory, MS

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EX8GcJeXYAczsqk?format=jpg&name=large

[hacker]

Hong Kong? Come on now. There is no tangible, scientific data showing contact tracing has worked or will work with this virus. SK model was test like crazy on the front end and isolate. Proactive. Contact tracing is reactive. It doesn't work with this virus, unfortunately. If you started showing symptoms quickly after contracting the virus (Ebola), it would work great.

And if the prerequisite to be a contact is more than 5 minutes close to a person, that tells you it's never going to work. You can spread the virus to 100 people a day and never be around any of them more than 5 minutes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045882/
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/seouls-radical-experiment-in-digital-contact-tracing
https://hbr.org/2020/04/how-digital-contact-tracing-slowed-covid-19-in-east-asia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cmN6tZmx0M
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_Czech_Republic

[Commercecomet24]

Taken in good ole Hickory, MS

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EX8GcJeXYAczsqk?format=jpg&name=large

Lmbo!

[confucius say]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045882/
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/seouls-radical-experiment-in-digital-contact-tracing
https://hbr.org/2020/04/how-digital-contact-tracing-slowed-covid-19-in-east-asia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cmN6tZmx0M
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_Czech_Republic

None of those provide scientific data that contract tracing was the reason for any slow of the spread of covid. Lot of good theories about how it could work in other countries though via digital tracking and closed circuit monitoring of humans' movement.

More importantly, you can't enforce digital tracking and closed circuit monitoring of Americans. I suppose the govt could try it, but every court in America would strike it down.

[confucius say]

Taken in good ole Hickory, MS

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EX8GcJeXYAczsqk?format=jpg&name=large

Hey I have family there (surprised, aren't you?)
Hack why you in hickory?

[Gutter Cobreh]

Can't read .. don't have a subscription. Maybe so tho .. I don't know.

I just know Pelosi, Schumer, Cuomo, and others are on the record as not concerned with it around that time either too.

ETA: And my question still stands on what he should do now that he isn't doing? Dems fixin to try and pass out $5 trill additional dollars to folks. Seems like some folks might be concerned with their kids/grandkids future but instead seems like they concerned with their parents/grandparents health or their own.

And FWIW ... not a republican or democrat either.

I'm not "affiliated" with either party either, but I was just pointing out that he essentially cut integral positions for a pandemic of this nature.

This whole thing has gone from saving lives to being very political. I know the OP wanted to keep politics out of the discussion, but you can't. When governors and mayors start reducing our liberties as citizens under the guise of health - it's scary. You have people who have worked their lives building a business, only to have it decimated because politicians won't allow citizens to make their own individual decisions regarding taking the proper precautions to stay safe.

Blue states/cities want this to extend as long as possible, while red states/cities are taking their cues from a sociopath.

No win situation for the average Joe.

[dawgday166]

I'm not "affiliated" with either party either, but I was just pointing out that he essentially cut integral positions for a pandemic of this nature.

This whole thing has gone from saving lives to being very political. I know the OP wanted to keep politics out of the discussion, but you can't. When governors and mayors start reducing our liberties as citizens under the guise of health - it's scary. You have people who have worked their lives building a business, only to have it decimated because politicians won't allow citizens to make their own individual decisions regarding taking the proper precautions to stay safe.

Blue states/cities want this to extend as long as possible, while red states/cities are taking their cues from a sociopath.

No win situation for the average Joe.

Probably wouldn't argue Trump is a sociopath and has a lack of conscience about some things. And he's very narcissistic too. Not a huge fan of his myself, but do believe he's done some good things as POTUS. And if you wanna talk sociopath, the alternative to Trump was really scary. And the future opponent is a senile, clueless old man. Just imagine where we'd be with him as POTUS.

But as sociopathic as Trump can be, I do believe he actually cares and actually does not wanna take our freedoms away and probably moreso than any President since Reagan IMO. And I'm not a Reagan idolater either. Trump, or any POTUS at the current time, is in an extremely difficult position and there are no good choices. And advisors are changing their views and moving goalposts every day. And not everyone's interests are what's best for the people and the country. And I believe Trump is trying to keep those 2 things in mind and achieve a balance there ... believe it or not.

But some folks don't care about the country, they just hate Trump, or they hard core Dems or Republicans regardless of what's good for the country. And the one's who hate Trump probably ain't too unhappy with how thing's are going now, cause it gives them a better chance in Nov. And that's what really matters to them the most.

[hacker]

Hey I have family there (surprised, aren't you?)
Hack why you in hickory?

I'm from Chunky. I don't live there now, but that's where I grew up

[SheltonChoked]

So Fauci was still saying around mid to end of January we didn't have to be concerned with Covid. Trump was listening to his advisors seems like to me. And who among the leadership in Washington was saying anything otherwise at that time. I'm listening??? Not one of the dems were.

As far as now, what do you think Trump should do that he's not doing? Martial law and lock us down??

The president has information that other didn't. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/494963-coronavirus-warnings-appeared-in-more-than-a-dozen-classified


U.S. intelligence agencies warned the president more than a dozen times about the coronavirus pandemic in daily briefing materials throughout January and February, even as the president was still downplaying the threat publicly, The Washington Post reported Monday.

The Post reported that issues of the President's Daily Brief compiled by the intelligence community contained warnings about the spread of the coronavirus to the U.S., including assertions that Chinese officials were covering up the total spread and death toll related to the virus.

https://www.axios.com/exclusive-navarro-deaths-coronavirus-memos-january-da3f08fb-dce1-4f69-89b5-ea048f8382a9.html
In late January, President Trump's economic adviser Peter Navarro warned his White House colleagues the novel coronavirus could take more than half a million American lives and cost close to $6 trillion,

January 18th US HHS Secretary Alex Azar spoke to Trump on the phone about the virus, while which Trump interjected to ask when flavored vaping products would be back on the market...

But even more Damning... https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/12/fact-check-obama-left-trump-a-pandemic-response-playbook/ Read page 9 of the "Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents" developed by the Bush and Obama Administrations and left for Trump...

A pandemic response team, that was disbanded in May 2018.

And a team from CDC that supported investigations into stopping "Novel diseases orginatinging in China), that was disbanded by Trump...

[defiantdog]

Y'all got to quit making this so damn political and stay off the social media. If Trump failed so badly..... that means every country has failed miserably. Not to mention our own House of Representatives calling out Trump "initially" for singling out China during the pandemic's infancy. Oh, but the Trump critics forget to mention that. (And to all of you idiots claiming Trump had prior information blah blah blah..... remember, Bill Clinton supposedly had prior information on the 9/11 attacks and did nothing about it...... you can't act on every piece of information you receive. Sometimes the facts aren't strong enough at the given time).

Maybe this situation will give us all an opportunity to exercise, eat healthy, and help ourselves create a stronger immune system.

[Extendedcab]

Y'all got to quit making this so damn political and stay off the social media. If Trump failed so badly..... that means every country has failed miserably. Not to mention our own House of Representatives calling out Trump "initially" for singling out China during the pandemic's infancy. Oh, but the Trump critics forget to mention that. (And to all of you idiots claiming Trump had prior information blah blah blah..... remember, Bill Clinton supposedly had prior information on the 9/11 attacks and did nothing about it...... you can't act on every piece of information you receive. Sometimes the facts aren't strong enough at the given time).

Maybe this situation will give us all an opportunity to exercise, eat healthy, and help ourselves create a stronger immune system.

Amen brother, rep given!

[SheltonChoked]

Hong Kong? Come on now. There is no tangible, scientific data showing contact tracing has worked or will work with this virus. SK model was test like crazy on the front end and isolate. Proactive. Contact tracing is reactive. It doesn't work with this virus, unfortunately. If you started showing symptoms quickly after contracting the virus (Ebola), it would work great.

And if the prerequisite to be a contact is more than 5 minutes close to a person, that tells you it's never going to work. You can spread the virus to 100 people a day and never be around any of them more than 5 minutes.

How did South Korea know who to test?

They did Contact Tracing of positive cases...

Ebola has a similar dormant period (2-20 days) as Covid-19. But, so far, is body fluid transferred.

[SheltonChoked]

None of those provide scientific data that contract tracing was the reason for any slow of the spread of covid. Lot of good theories about how it could work in other countries though via digital tracking and closed circuit monitoring of humans' movement.

More importantly, you can't enforce digital tracking and closed circuit monitoring of Americans. I suppose the govt could try it, but every court in America would strike it down.

LOL.

It literally passed YESTERDAY.

Do you allow your web browser to know your location?


The government can get your browser history without a warrant... https://gizmodo.com/heres-who-just-voted-to-let-the-f-b-i-seize-your-searc-1843445032 Supported by Both Mississippi senators.

Your location is in that Data...

And you opted in.

[Commercecomet24]

Just had a thought, where has the aclu been during all this? lol

[Gutter Cobreh]

Y'all got to quit making this so damn political and stay off the social media. If Trump failed so badly..... that means every country has failed miserably. Not to mention our own House of Representatives calling out Trump "initially" for singling out China during the pandemic's infancy. Oh, but the Trump critics forget to mention that. (And to all of you idiots claiming Trump had prior information blah blah blah..... remember, Bill Clinton supposedly had prior information on the 9/11 attacks and did nothing about it...... you can't act on every piece of information you receive. Sometimes the facts aren't strong enough at the given time).

Maybe this situation will give us all an opportunity to exercise, eat healthy, and help ourselves create a stronger immune system.

This whole thing began so that we could bend the curve and not overload our healthcare system. Mission accomplished.

Now the whole situation has turned strictly political. Both sides are jockeying for public support and its sickening. If you can't see that, you have blinders on. I don't care which way you lean within your beliefs, as both sides are guilty. In the interim, we're moving into a socialist society.

[dawgday166]

This whole thing began so that we could bend the curve and not overload our healthcare system. Mission accomplished.

Now the whole situation has turned strictly political. Both sides are jockeying for public support and its sickening. If you can't see that, you have blinders on. I don't care which way you lean within your beliefs, as both sides are guilty. In the interim, we're moving much deeper into a socialist society.

Clarified it a little.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Clarified it a little.

Touche

[Commercecomet24]

This whole thing began so that we could bend the curve and not overload our healthcare system. Mission accomplished.

Now the whole situation has turned strictly political. Both sides are jockeying for public support and its sickening. If you can't see that, you have blinders on. I don't care which way you lean within your beliefs, as both sides are guilty. In the interim, we're moving into a socialist society.

That's a pretty good assessment!

[Turfdawg67]

Nevermind, 17 it.

[Dawg2003]

This whole thing began so that we could bend the curve and not overload our healthcare system. Mission accomplished.

Now the whole situation has turned strictly political. Both sides are jockeying for public support and its sickening. If you can't see that, you have blinders on. I don't care which way you lean within your beliefs, as both sides are guilty. In the interim, we're moving into a socialist society.

I'm not so sure we've avoided overloading the healthcare system in Mississippi from what I heard yesterday about a hospital.

[Extendedcab]

I'm not so sure we've avoided overloading the healthcare system in Mississippi from what I heard yesterday about a hospital.


Please do tell. I have heard the opposite - hospital beds empty and staff being let go (not all hospitals of course).

[confucius say]

How did South Korea know who to test?


They didn't. They tested anybody who wanted a test. Or at least they said they did. They were mass testing from the jump

Asian citizens are also more likely to voluntarily be tracked or go along with their govt tracking them. We are not.

[confucius say]

LOL.

It literally passed YESTERDAY.

Do you allow your web browser to know your location?


The government can get your browser history without a warrant... https://gizmodo.com/heres-who-just-voted-to-let-the-f-b-i-seize-your-searc-1843445032 Supported by Both Mississippi senators.

Your location is in that Data...

And you opted in.

Which is why I said "enforce." You can't enforce digital tracking or closes circuit monitoring for contact tracing purposes, at least not yet.

Yesterday's bill you reference was an amendment to the patriot act, and all it did was allow access to browser history without a warrant if the history is relevant to an already ongoing criminal investigation.That law may or may not survive 4th amendment judicial scrutiny, but regardless it is limited to use in criminal investigations. Any info gathered cannot be used for any purpose outside of what is allowable under the patriot act, and certainly not to enforce anything to do with contact tracing or for any non-criminal use, such as monitoring where a law abiding citizen has been and who he's contacted.

The govt cannot lawfully monitor your daily whereabouts for the purpose of contact tracing. At least not yet. There are conversations being had about it though, and some of the legal concerns are addresses in this article. Will be an interesting constitutional debate.

https://www.law.upenn.edu/live/news/10007-would-covid-19-digital-contact-tracing-programs

[KOdawg1]

This whole thing began so that we could bend the curve and not overload our healthcare system. Mission accomplished.

Now the whole situation has turned strictly political. Both sides are jockeying for public support and its sickening. If you can't see that, you have blinders on. I don't care which way you lean within your beliefs, as both sides are guilty. In the interim, we're moving into a socialist society.

Yep. We lowered the curve. Our medical system has been able to handle everyone who needs attention.

[SheltonChoked]

They didn't. They tested anybody who wanted a test. Or at least they said they did. They were mass testing from the jump

Asian citizens are also more likely to voluntarily be tracked or go along with their govt tracking them. We are not.

Wrong.

They tested symptomatic people, The contact traced.

That's how they know Patient 31 spread it to 1,160 people.

South Korea even published the data of how many each person infected.

Here is a story with pictures...

https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html

[msstate7]

Miss casinos allowed to open next Thursday

[Jack Lambert]

How did South Korea know who to test?

My wife's brother wife is from S Korea. Her name is Mic Young, Her sister is MI Young and Mi Young's husband is name Young Young.. How did they do it?*****

[Johnson85]

Just had a thought, where has the aclu been during all this? lol

They are unfortunately spending their time suing to make sure due process protections are not extended to college students. Shit you not. https://news.yahoo.com/aclu-sues-betsy-devos-over-194951672.html

I think it's safe to say they are no longer a civil liberties group but are just a leftist group. It's a shame.

[confucius say]

Wrong.

They tested symptomatic people, The contact traced.

That's how they know Patient 31 spread it to 1,160 people.

South Korea even published the data of how many each person infected.

Here is a story with pictures...

https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html

No, they tested symptomatic and asymptomatic people. I'm not saying they didn't contact trace mind you. I'm saying that is not what was the driving force that worked for them. See the quotes from the articles below.

They tested everybody who wanted a test, many multiple times, from the jump. 10-20k people a day, regardless of symptoms or contacts.

South Korea "immediately began the testing of asymptomatic people, rather than restricting testing to those with severe conditions or a history of contact with affected people."

https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/south-korea-provides-lessons-good-and-bad-coronavirus-response

And, while noting that the four keys to reducing spread were social distancing, testing, tracing contacts, and travel bans, "widespread testing has been the key to reducing transmission in South Korea."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/to-get-on-top-of-the-coronavirus-we-also-need-to-test-people-without-symptoms-134381

"South Korea has been testing basically everyone since the outbreak had become apparent."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2020/03/19/coronavirus-south-korea-test-data/amp/

Again, they didn't use contact tracing to know who to test. They tested everyone, regardless of contacts or symptoms.

[dawgday166]

No, they tested symptomatic and asymptomatic people. I'm not saying they didn't contact trace mind you. I'm saying that is not what was the driving force that worked for them. See the quotes from the articles below.

They tested everybody who wanted a test, many multiple times, from the jump. 10-20k people a day, regardless of symptoms or contacts.

South Korea "immediately began the testing of asymptomatic people, rather than restricting testing to those with severe conditions or a history of contact with affected people."

https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/south-korea-provides-lessons-good-and-bad-coronavirus-response

And, while noting that the four keys to reducing spread were social distancing, testing, tracing contacts, and travel bans, "widespread testing has been the key to reducing transmission in South Korea."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/to-get-on-top-of-the-coronavirus-we-also-need-to-test-people-without-symptoms-134381

"South Korea has been testing basically everyone since the outbreak had become apparent."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2020/03/19/coronavirus-south-korea-test-data/amp/

Again, they didn't use contact tracing to know who to test. They tested everyone, regardless of contacts or symptoms.

Naww man ... it's a piece of cake. Spin up an army of folks to test everyone once/week and run around with thermometers checking everyone's forehead temps. Nuthin to it.

ETA: And when Covid under control said army of folks keep on doing same thing so another virus don't attack us. Folks like Shelton will breathe a lot easier then. Gotta be safe.

[Commercecomet24]

They are unfortunately spending their time suing to make sure due process protections are not extended to college students. Shit you not. https://news.yahoo.com/aclu-sues-betsy-devos-over-194951672.html

I think it's safe to say they are no longer a civil liberties group but are just a leftist group. It's a shame.

Yep, you got it. That's what I was getting at, they're not out to protect everyone's rights or liberties anymore. Smh. Helen Keller was one of the original founders.

[Percho]

https://www.cityofhope.org/breakthroughs/two-groundbreaking-drugs-will-combat-covid-19-and-its-symptoms

[dawgday166]

https://www.cityofhope.org/breakthroughs/two-groundbreaking-drugs-will-combat-covid-19-and-its-symptoms

Some cause for optimism ... if that drug is allowed to "make it". Never can tell ... more powerful folks who want to have the patent on the drug could discredit it or get it banned. Hydroxycloroquine + Zpac and/or Zinc seemed to be promising yet ... don't hear anything much on it anymore. Of course a dose of that costs like $0.60 if I recall correctly, and this remdesivir costs like $1000.00. Seems like I read something along those lines but may be recalling it incorrectly. The more expensive drug will obviously be better ***

Seems like part of why some folks die with Covid is similar to 1918 pandemic ... immune system's overreaction to the invader.

[SheltonChoked]

Naww man ... it's a piece of cake. Spin up an army of folks to test everyone once/week and run around with thermometers checking everyone's forehead temps. Nuthin to it.

ETA: And when Covid under control said army of folks keep on doing same thing so another virus don't attack us. Folks like Shelton will breathe a lot easier then. Gotta be safe.



Or you could use some of the millions out of work, that are already trained... The medical professionals in each town. No risk of them becoming a Covid Army.


But that doesn't fit your tinfoil hat conspiracy...

[SheltonChoked]

No, they tested symptomatic and asymptomatic people. I'm not saying they didn't contact trace mind you. I'm saying that is not what was the driving force that worked for them. See the quotes from the articles below.

They tested everybody who wanted a test, many multiple times, from the jump. 10-20k people a day, regardless of symptoms or contacts.

South Korea "immediately began the testing of asymptomatic people, rather than restricting testing to those with severe conditions or a history of contact with affected people."

https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/south-korea-provides-lessons-good-and-bad-coronavirus-response

And, while noting that the four keys to reducing spread were social distancing, testing, tracing contacts, and travel bans, "widespread testing has been the key to reducing transmission in South Korea."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/to-get-on-top-of-the-coronavirus-we-also-need-to-test-people-without-symptoms-134381

"South Korea has been testing basically everyone since the outbreak had become apparent."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2020/03/19/coronavirus-south-korea-test-data/amp/

Again, they didn't use contact tracing to know who to test. They tested everyone, regardless of contacts or symptoms.

Ok, I see what you are saying. I did not mean to infer they only tested positive people. But they contact traced the positives, and isolated them, preventing further spread.

Yes. They had enough testing to test whoever wanted it. But they were able to contain the virus by contact tracing and isolation of positive cases.. From your link
South Korea isolated and treated patients with mild or even no symptoms, which constrained further spread and minimized the impact on hospitals.

I also do not believe the South Korea is a more advanced country and with better workers than the US. Which is what " well they can test 100,000 a day in 2 weeks but the US cannot ever" sounds like to me.

Sorry I just thing we are a better country than that...

[SheltonChoked]

Some cause for optimism ... if that drug is allowed to "make it". Never can tell ... more powerful folks who want to have the patent on the drug could discredit it or get it banned. Hydroxycloroquine + Zpac and/or Zinc seemed to be promising yet ... don't hear anything much on it anymore. Of course a dose of that costs like $0.60 if I recall correctly, and this remdesivir costs like $1000.00. Seems like I read something along those lines but may be recalling it incorrectly. The more expensive drug will obviously be better ***

Seems like part of why some folks die with Covid is similar to 1918 pandemic ... immune system's overreaction to the invader.

Hydroxycloroquine + Zpac and/or Zinc was killing more people than it was helping.


The Brazilian researchers planned to enroll 440 people in their study to test whether chloroquine is a safe and effective treatment for COVID-19. Participants took either a "high dose" of the drug (600 milligrams twice daily for 10 days) or a "low dose" (450 mg for five days, with a double dose only on the first day). The study was "double blind," meaning that neither the patients nor their doctors knew which dose they were receiving. However, after enrolling just 81 patients, the researchers saw some concerning signs. Within a few days of starting the treatment, more patients in the high dose group experienced heart rhythm problems than did those in the low dose group. And two patients in the high dose group developed a fast, abnormal heart rate known as ventricular tachychardia before they died.


A retrospective study looked at veterans affairs (VA) hospitals across the U.S. and identified 368 male veterans who were hospitalized with COVID-19. The veterans were grouped based on whether they had received (1) hydroxychloroquine, (2) hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, or (3) no hydroxychloroquine.

Death rates were highest in the group that received hydroxychloroquine alone (28%), followed by the group that received hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (22%). The group that did not receive hydroxychloroquine had the lowest death rate (11%).


n a large observational study of 1,376 hospitalized patients with COVID-19 in New York City, 811 people (59%) received hydroxychloroquine. There was minimal difference in the risk of needing a breathing tube (intubation) or death between those who didn?t get hydroxychloroquine and those who did.

It doesn't work like they thought and the risk of giving a person a heart attack increases.

That's why you stopped hearing about it. They used science.

[DownwardDawg]

Hydroxycloroquine + Zpac and/or Zinc was killing more people than it was helping.







It doesn't work like they thought and the risk of giving a person a heart attack increases.

That's why you stopped hearing about it. They used science.

Your first statement is completely false. It’s still being used as the number one treatment in many hospitals. It’s just not being reported to the media anymore because they suck at reporting anything truthful.

[Liverpooldawg]

Your first statement is completely false. It’s still being used as the number one treatment in many hospitals. It’s just not being reported to the media anymore because they suck at reporting anything truthful.

It was killing people. There is no doubt about that because it was killing people prior to COVID. It is a very useful but dangerous drug. You only use it where the benefit is proven to be substantial. You have to be careful with it. If you have an underlying heart problem, esp an arrhythmia, it can kill an otherwise healthy person. The problem with using it for COVID is there is no real proof that it does anything yet. There is REAL proof that it will kill people.

[chef dixon]

Your first statement is completely false. It?s still being used as the number one treatment in many hospitals. It?s just not being reported to the media anymore because they suck at reporting anything truthful.

The chances of azithromycin + hydroxychloroquine helping were very low to begin with. Its a shot in the dark which physicians do quite often in critically ill patients. Neither of those medicines act directly as antivirals anyway. They both have some anti-inflammatory properties and the thought is maybe it'll calm down the bodies immune response from overwhelming all their vital organs. The virus still most likely has to run its course. Problem is, as with most similar viruses, a lot of folks will improve anyway and some just won't.

[Dawg2003]

Your first statement is completely false. It’s still being used as the number one treatment in many hospitals. It’s just not being reported to the media anymore because they suck at reporting anything truthful.

In which hospitals are those meds being used as the number 1 treatment?

[Commercecomet24]

Worth a read from arguably the most respected pathologist in the country.

https://pg-share.newsslide.com/a1d03c00-e457-4829-8a32-c8690496e9c8/f20bb08a-7d22-402f-897e-d85bf9a5bb5a/#.Xr3kkPNBLRF.facebook

[Cooterpoot]

In which hospitals are those meds being used as the number 1 treatment?

Several are still using because it is effective for some people.

https://aapsonline.org/hcq-90-percent-chance/

[dawgday166]

Worth a read from arguably the most respected pathologist in the country.

https://pg-share.newsslide.com/a1d03c00-e457-4829-8a32-c8690496e9c8/f20bb08a-7d22-402f-897e-d85bf9a5bb5a/#.Xr3kkPNBLRF.facebook

Dude ... I'm not stepping foot out of the house till everyone getting tested at least once/week and an army from federal guvmt is tracing folks, randomly stopping folks to take their temperatures, and handing out tickets or throwing folks in jail for not wearing a mask. And nobody else should either ****

[DownwardDawg]

In which hospitals are those meds being used as the number 1 treatment?

Many. But the one I know for fact I'm not going to mention.

[DownwardDawg]

Worth a read from arguably the most respected pathologist in the country.

https://pg-share.newsslide.com/a1d03c00-e457-4829-8a32-c8690496e9c8/f20bb08a-7d22-402f-897e-d85bf9a5bb5a/#.Xr3kkPNBLRF.facebook

Very good read.

[Cooterpoot]

https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/coronavirus-could-be-spreading-through-farts-says-doctor/ar-BB12GLUT?ocid=sf2

Really bad news!