The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[dantheman4248]

https://infection2020.com/

This ones pretty good.

Thanks to all 3 of you.

[deadheaddawg]

Yep. I admit I've been a bit angry and a bit of a jerk to all the people that have been....and still are..... dismissing the seriousness of this.

But honestly I don't really care. This is actually serious. This isn't the time to play politics and "your news source sucks"

They are selfish and frankly dangerous.

[msstate7]

When our hospitals go nuts this week and next.....a big portion of the blame goes to the people dismissing this. We had clear warning. All you had to do was be aware


This is what bothers me...people need to realize if you're healthy that's great! The social distancing and being prepared ISNT ABOUT YOU if you're healthy, it's about the little old lady/man down the street or the guy with diabetes/heart disease that lives next door...we've got to do what we can to stop the spreading of this shit, not for the healthy population but for those who are more susceptible than ourselves. Hell, there is a local doctor who posted on FB "meh, this is just a cold."[/QUOTE]

You know scaring everyone about this will help magnify the hospital issue. Now that we've been told how much worse this is than the flu and you'll die, people will panic and run to get health care when they may not even have coronavirus or have coronavirus but not be in need of medical help

[deadheaddawg]

It's a scary thought that people believe being open and clear...telling the truth....is scaring people.

Wow.

Just wow.

[Maverick]

Just curious what is freaking out to you? Buying toliet paper is freaking out.....but people have been saying for several days this isn't the flu. To stay at home......and those people were told they were "freaking out"

The biggest problem with this, was all the people....a bunch on this board..... calling smart sound steps "overreacting"

The problem isn't so much that there wasn't any in between....the problem was people were (and still are) calling things overeacions that are not

The ONLY over reacting is the panic buying. The warning of the seriousness of this isnt. And it wasn't when we started it

When our hospitals go nuts this week and next.....a big portion of the blame goes to the people dismissing this. We had clear warning. All you had to do was be aware

Exactly what you just said. Panic buying is freaking out and going to the bar in Nashville this weekend is a blatant disregard to what is going on. I have no problem with minimizing crowds and practicing good hygiene habits.

That's why I said I felt like there wasn't much in between where people are being rational about the situation. The media is either driving them to mass hysteria to the point you are seeing fights in stores or people are numb to them and are just going to do whatever they want regardless. I still see people walking around coughing and not covering up and some of these people are the hoarders I'm sure as well as the people that just don't care. I'll add to that the ones that cough in their hands and then grab a door handle. I mean come on man haha.... Common sense....

I won't blame either side more than the other but the bulk buying did nothing but crowd gathering which was exactly what did not need to happen. The media has overreacted so much about stuff or been just flat out wrong that it's like they've cried wolf one too many times.

As Johnson85 said earlier is this thread.... the media intentionally misleads on a regular basis, so people can't take their reports at face value. They either purposefully provide misleading "context" or just omit facts and context that are relevant b/c it doesn't support their "side".

Again, there is a difference in being aware of the situation and being irrational. I guess you can throw ignoring the situation in that too.

[deadheaddawg]

Exactly what you just said. Panic buying is freaking out and going to the bar in Nashville this weekend is a blatant disregard to what is going on. I have no problem with minimizing crowds and practicing good hygiene habits.

That's why I said I felt like there wasn't much in between where people are being rational about the situation. The media is either driving them to mass hysteria to the point you are seeing fights in stores or people are numb to them as I said and are just going to do whatever they want regardless. I still see people walking around coughing and not covering up and some of these people are the hoarders I'm sure as well as the people that just don't care.

I won't blame either side but the bulk buying did nothing but crowd gathering which was exactly what did not need to happen. The media has overreacted so much about stuff or been just flat out wrong that it's like they've cried wolf one too many times.

As Johnson85 said earlier is this thread.... the media intentionally misleads on a regular basis, so people can't take their reports at face value. They either purposefully provide misleading "context" or just omit facts and context that are relevant b/c it doesn't support their "side".

As I have said before, there is a difference in being aware of the situation and being irrational. I guess you can throw ignoring the situation in that too.

How has the media "over reacted" to this? I am legit curious as to what you have seen from "the media" that has been an overreaction. Do you have actual examples?

The "media" hasn't been crying wolf. You might not know where to go to get legit news, but that isn't really anyone else's fault. Legit news sources are readily available. Free. And everywhere. The Media is just an excuse. And the vast majority of the people blaming the media, get their news for crappy sources that are telling people the other media is bad. Its a self fullfiling prophecy. People go to crappy news sites that push conspiracy theories and then tell you not to "trust the media" The media is what YOU make out of it.

This is NOT the media's fault. Not in the least. Not the panic buying. Not the school closing... This is on us.

[Dawgology]

Yep. I admit I've been a bit angry and a bit of a jerk to all the people that have been....and still are..... dismissing the seriousness of this.

But honestly I don't really care. This is actually serious. This isn't the time to play politics and "your news source sucks"

They are selfish and frankly dangerous.

I think this is what bothers me the most. Several of my staff members weren't taking the policy I enacted today seriously (these two happen to be younger) so we had a meeting this afternoon and went over stats. It was a sobering meeting and I feel that things got real for them when I started going over hospitalized 20'somethings in Italy and our current positive tests Suddenly, everyone if sanitizing their hands.

[Johnson85]

How has the media "over reacted" to this? I am legit curious as to what you have seen from "the media" that has been an overreaction. Do you have actual examples?

The "media" hasn't been crying wolf. You might not know where to go to get legit news, but that isn't really anyone else's fault. Legit news sources are readily available. Free. And everywhere. The Media is just an excuse. And the vast majority of the people blaming the media, get their news for crappy sources that are telling people the other media is bad. Its a self fullfiling prophecy. People go to crappy news sites that push conspiracy theories and then tell you not to "trust the media" The media is what YOU make out of it.

This is NOT the media's fault. Not in the least. Not the panic buying. Not the school closing... This is on us.

You want people to just trust the media that has been lying to them over and over? To just assume that now that things are serious, the media is going to start being serious and stop being partisan hacks?

That's obviously not happening.

https://twitter.com/juliebosman/status/1239598527803768833

You can't tell people, yea, we lie and mislead all the time, but we're playing it straight this time. Even if you didn't have people that are ostensibly not on the opinion page trying to mislead people about corona virus related issues, that's not how credibility works.

[Santiago]

I think this is what bothers me the most. Several of my staff members weren't taking the policy I enacted today seriously (these two happen to be younger) so we had a meeting this afternoon and went over stats. It was a sobering meeting and I feel that things got real for them when I started going over hospitalized 20'somethings in Italy and our current positive tests Suddenly, everyone if sanitizing their hands.

My brother in law is leading a team researching a medicine to help those sick with this. International research team and he does not live in the US either. Not much more I can say, but I was in the camp last week that this is political and BS. Talking to him this weekend, I called my parents(in 70's) and went over what I was told and asked them do not even go to their country church in MS on Sunday. A few days ago I was posting on here asking you guys what is fact and not, and then Saturday got information that woke me up on this.
He asked my in laws on Saturday to not go anywhere unless absolute necessity. No church, nothing. Buy as much time as possible. They are in their 70's also. He is a low key guy and does not get too high or low on things. So coming from him that means something.
At the very least, if you don't really buy into it, respect all the efforts to make this short and as painless as possible for a few weeks. Those can gloat in 4 weeks if all is well, and I will be glad for them instead of the opposite happening.

[deadheaddawg]

You want people to just trust the media that has been lying to them over and over? To just assume that now that things are serious, the media is going to start being serious and stop being partisan hacks?

That's obviously not happening.

https://twitter.com/juliebosman/status/1239598527803768833

You can't tell people, yea, we lie and mislead all the time, but we're playing it straight this time. Even if you didn't have people that are ostensibly not on the opinion page trying to mislead people about corona virus related issues, that's not how credibility works.

What are you talking about? The Media isn't one singular thing. The media isn't lying to you. SOME media may be lying to you, but that is your fault if you listen to them. It is on you to research your own sources. If you are getting your news from unreliable sources that is on YOU. You cant blame this on the media We saw this coming.

I am sorry but your post screams of paranoia and bad choices in news. The media hasn't been lying to me over and over again. I know how to research and fact check. I know how to figure out what is reliable and what isn't.

I am sorry if you have spent the last few years getting your news from liars. Maybe look at where you are getting your news, but dont blame this on anyone else. We make our own choices on where to get info.

To blame this on the media is lazy and flat out wrong

ETA I scanned the article you linked. I didn't see any lies in it. I am confused. Did you post that to show me an example of a news source that has correct info? The article doesn't help your argument. Not at all. What was incorrect?

[Johnson85]

What are you talking about? The Media isn't one singular thing. The media isn't lying to you. SOME media may be lying to you, but that is your fault if you listen to them. It is on you to research your own sources. If you are getting your news from unreliable sources that is on YOU. You cant blame this on the media We saw this coming.

I am sorry but your post screams of paranoia and bad choices in news. The media hasn't been lying to me over and over again. I know how to research and fact check. I know how to figure out what is reliable and what isn't.

I am sorry if you have spent the last few years getting your news from liars. Maybe look at where you are getting your news, but dont blame this on anyone else. We make our own choices on where to get info.

To blame this on the media is lazy and flat out wrong

ETA I scanned the article you linked. I didn't see any lies in it. I am confused. Did you post that to show me an example of a news source that has correct info? The article doesn't help your argument. Not at all. What was incorrect?

The tweet dumbass.

And my point is not that there is not a single reporter out there that plays it straight. I'm sure there is. But it would be helpful if we had institutions you can trust. It would be really nice if there was an institution with the reach of the New York Times or Washington Post or CNN or Fox or broadcast stations that was protective of its credibility so that when they ran with something, people could know it was reasonably trustworthy without having to track down sources.

It's all fine and well to say people should track down sources themselves. In reality, besides the fact that most people don't really have the time nor inclination to do that, a significant portion of our population also lacks the ability. If we had credible institutions, they could say things like "take this seriously but don't be a dumbass and run out to buy toilet paper and guns" and people would listen. Not everybody, but enough to help.

[deadheaddawg]

No. There was more than enough warning from enough sources on this. You did not need to track anything down. If you blamed this on the media or if you thought EVERYONE IN EUROPE AND CHINIA was making this up......well then you didn't want to hear the truth. Blaming this on the media is lazy and just an excuse to cover up your lack of awareness of you blatant disregard of the facts. The warnings were literally everywhere on this.

If you believed this was an media generated overreaction 4 or 5 days ago that means you choose to believe that. Europe was screaming at us to wake up. Own up to your choices. Dont blame this on the media.

Oh and regarding that tweet...she didn't lie. She took a line out of the story that would get the most views.....which is standard.....but the tweet didn't lie. It didn't even mislead. And the article looks fine. There are no lies. I dont want to get political. Everyone structures headlines/tweets to put the most juicy line first.

If you think that is an example that helps your case, I am sorry honey but you are the dumbass

But regardless, there was a ton of warning. Dont try to spin this. You are the one playing politics now

[hacker]

Trump himself literally said earlier today, "the media is being very fair"

If that's not a sign for you media-blaming people, you ain't gonna get it until you see it

[msstate7]

China returning back to normal

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-2-03-15-20-intl-hnk/h_00633a0135cea337eda02ce7e6c854e3

[deadheaddawg]

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China returning back to normal
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-2-03-15-20-intl-hnk/h_00633a0135cea337eda02ce7e6c854e3

Hopefully we can do the smart thing and stay home on our own so we don't have to go to quite the same extreme measures china did

From that article. "This is a huge contrast to February. Just a month ago, much of China was essentially locked down. Many residents weren't allowed to leave their apartment complexes, let alone the city. Some stayed indoors for weeks on end.

Even within cities, public transport was restricted; in Wuhan and other locked-down cities, subway trains were halted and most taxis suspended, with only a small number of government-issued shuttles and cars operating."

[dantheman4248]

Your on!

Looks like I misspoke. It's not even slowly spreading. We've gotten 1k new cases today.

[Dawgology]

Looks like I misspoke. It's not even slowly spreading. We've gotten 1k new cases today.

We will be well over 10k by the end of the week as testing centers open and more tests become available.

[Todd4State]

China returning back to normal

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-2-03-15-20-intl-hnk/h_00633a0135cea337eda02ce7e6c854e3

I'm hoping that's a sign of a trend that we can expect to see here. Or better given that we have the advantage of seeing what works from other countries. Hopefully other countries will soon show a similar trend as well.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Looks like I misspoke. It's not even slowly spreading. We've gotten 1k new cases today.

America is repatriating all the Citizen travelers, these guys are turning O'Hare, LAX, DFW, and IAH into hotzones. You infect a TSA official, now you have an infected person that is making contact with 1,000's of people. Plus, you have people in close quarter planes and close quarter lines for security. Lots of talking, yawning, and touching of flat screens.

My company had a young female Ivy leaguer that bragged that she "beat" the China quarantine by rearranging her flight from China through Singapore and then through Australia before returning to America. She was sitting next to two old guys...

I sent the two old guys an email that a 22-year-old would not show symptoms necessarily but she can spread it.

I was in Miami recently, the place is full of tourists. Maybe some have been in the USA for a while, Miami alone is going to send the virus to Saudi Arabia and Russia very aggressively via the Borat guys trying to find Pamela Anderson on South Beach.

[Maverick]

How has the media "over reacted" to this? I am legit curious as to what you have seen from "the media" that has been an overreaction. Do you have actual examples?

The "media" hasn't been crying wolf. You might not know where to go to get legit news, but that isn't really anyone else's fault. Legit news sources are readily available. Free. And everywhere. The Media is just an excuse. And the vast majority of the people blaming the media, get their news for crappy sources that are telling people the other media is bad. Its a self fullfiling prophecy. People go to crappy news sites that push conspiracy theories and then tell you not to "trust the media" The media is what YOU make out of it.

This is NOT the media's fault. Not in the least. Not the panic buying. Not the school closing... This is on us.

So, I agree with you and you continue to argue? Ok.... do you work in the media and did you just get offended?

Nowhere in there did I say this was their fault. I simply said that when they lie they lose their credibility so I understand people dismissing them. I'm also saying that telling people to have toilet paper blew up and I haven't seen them back track on that and tell people to stop hoarding. All they do is report on the empty shelves which makes the whole situation worse.

No it's not the media's fault that people on both sides of that spectrum are idiots.

Also, I'll add that I'm not sure why you keep acting high and mighty on where you get your news. I'm simply stating that I believe the people hoarding are getting their news from the wrong people or taking the news they are getting out of context. Same could be said for the people that seem numb to what's going on.

I think in a way we both agree but you're driving this in another direction it wasn't intended to go.

[dawgday166]

Interesting website:

https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/?fbclid=IwAR2ihgzwD_qnNEDXmdZ_6Ho01sIDXo5YJMj_vMbC Aa_s-JNeXxKNJ1pgb2w

[The Federalist Engineer]

Some Coronavirus Numbers

In a big Nation like the USA with 400M (by the way 12K died of Flu in 2019 and 32K died of Flu in 2018)

If the USA can only do as well as Hubei Province (Wuhan City).....you have 3.1M infected and 146K dead

If the USA can do as well as All of China (including Wuhan)....you have 25K infected and 1K dead

If the USA can do as well as South Korea...you have 64K infected and 586 dead

If the USA can do as well as the UK (similar individual freedom).... you have 9K infected and 350 dead


China and South Korea are considered post peak. Wuhan was considered safe enough to visit by Chinese Leaders, the temporary hospital is now closed.

[Joebob]

Some Coronavirus Numbers

In a big Nation like the USA with 400M (by the way 12K died of Flu in 2019 and 32K died of Flu in 2018)

If the USA can only do as well as Hubei Province (Wuhan City).....you have 3.1M infected and 146K dead

If the USA can do as well as the rest of China (including Wuhan)....you have 25K infected and 1K dead

If the USA can do as well as South Korea...you have 64K infected and 586 dead

If the USA can do as well as the UK (similar individual freedom).... you have 9K infected and 350 dead

There are a lot of reputable estimates saying at least 300K could die here. Hopefully our mitigation efforts will prevent those kind of numbers, but we got a late start.

[deadheaddawg]

So, I agree with you and you continue to argue? Ok.... do you work in the media and did you just get offended?

Nowhere in there did I say this was their fault. I simply said that when they lie they lose their credibility so I understand people dismissing them. I'm also saying that telling people to have toilet paper blew up and I haven't seen them back track on that and tell people to stop hoarding. All they do is report on the empty shelves which makes the whole situation worse.

No it's not the media's fault that people on both sides of that spectrum are idiots.

Also, I'll add that I'm not sure why you keep acting high and mighty on where you get your news. I'm simply stating that I believe the people hoarding are getting their news from the wrong people or taking the news they are getting out of context. Same could be said for the people that seem numb to what's going on.

I think in a way we both agree but you're driving this in another direction it wasn't intended to go.

I apologize. The majority of the people taking about overreacting are not only talking about hoarding... Most I'm seeing on social media are also talking about the people saying this could kill thousands here. Hundreds of thousands.

It seems like if a person talks about the virus like that...thar it could kill hundreds of thousands... That we need to close down businesses and stores..... Now. .....it seems to me most of that is being met with "overeation" responses. That I do take issue with.


I do apologize though. If you just meant the shopping, then I was wrong to assume.

The shopping part of this will resolve it's self shortly. It's overeation, but pretty minor. The important stuff is the virus and our current lack of urgency

[Dawgology]

My brother in law is leading a team researching a medicine to help those sick with this. International research team and he does not live in the US either. Not much more I can say, but I was in the camp last week that this is political and BS. Talking to him this weekend, I called my parents(in 70's) and went over what I was told and asked them do not even go to their country church in MS on Sunday. A few days ago I was posting on here asking you guys what is fact and not, and then Saturday got information that woke me up on this.
He asked my in laws on Saturday to not go anywhere unless absolute necessity. No church, nothing. Buy as much time as possible. They are in their 70's also. He is a low key guy and does not get too high or low on things. So coming from him that means something.
At the very least, if you don't really buy into it, respect all the efforts to make this short and as painless as possible for a few weeks. Those can gloat in 4 weeks if all is well, and I will be glad for them instead of the opposite happening.

If you talk to your brother in law tell him I said thank you.

[The Federalist Engineer]

There are a lot of reputable estimates saying at least 300K could die here. Hopefully our mitigation efforts will prevent those kind of numbers, but we got a late start.

(1) The US scientific community has been a busy little kitchen for months. COVID-19 genome is Mapped. Two companies Sinofi and Moderna already have vaccines in process. It usually takes a year to make that happen.

(2) The ventilator makers are primed to go. My employer supplies them precision motors and different pneumatic devices, they say they don't need anything special to be ready for demand. They say the same as the toilet paper makers, they are ready for orders.

(3) US factories are not closing. People will wear PPE, but they will continue to operate and deliver on promises as needed. We have 1,000s and 1,000s of PPE items in plane hangars ready to go.

(4) The National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) community has been managing COVID-19 for Months (China is big piece of the supply chain of all global companies) and Talking with the President and Secretary of Commerce. We have more people in China than the US State Department OR any news service. If we want to know about China, we call our own people, not CNN or BBC.

(5) Even in Chendu, our plants are already back in business. Some Chinese workers have chosen to stay home. But business only stopped for the extended Chinese new year. We are just one US Corporation, but the competition says the same thing. We have Cargo jets ready to move product as we need it, but the jets have not been needed.

The biggest thing to worry about is that America has a huge global footprint of travelers, vacationers, and business people. They will need to be reigned-in and quarantined properly.

Also, America has a huge immigrant community. As the virus spreads to Africa and India. The government will need to roll the travel bans to new nations and people will go crazy about missing an Indian wedding or a Filipino Christmas. You might have people travel to a cleared country like Australia, then sneak away to Manila and then fly back through Japan. People can do this with Multiple passports. Only use the US passport for safe travel.

[hacker]

I don't think you can compare our containment effort to China or South Korea.

China has much better surveillance ability and experience. They built a hospital in 7 days. They have apps that alert local authorities if someone's GPS data says they've been close to someone who tested positive.

South Korea tested a shitload of people very quickly and were able to slow it down, but they're not out of the woods yet.

As a whole, the populace of both countries recognized the risk and pulled together to try to stop it.

We're barely testing anyone and we've still got idiots going out to bars and thinking it's a media hoax.

P.S. I say "idiots" with love, because I didn't think this was a big deal either until a couple weeks ago.

[Johnson85]

No. There was more than enough warning from enough sources on this. You did not need to track anything down. Nobody is saying there wasn't good information out there. The point is that there is not an institution that has earned any credibility. That hurts when you're trying to manage a crisis.


If you blamed this on the media or if you thought EVERYONE IN EUROPE AND CHINIA was making this up......well then you didn't want to hear the truth. Blaming this on the media is lazy and just an excuse to cover up your lack of awareness of you blatant disregard of the facts. The warnings were literally everywhere on this.

If you believed this was an media generated overreaction 4 or 5 days ago that means you choose to believe that. Europe was screaming at us to wake up. Own up to your choices. Dont blame this on the media. You are a flamethrower in a field of strawmen. The point is not that the media caused this. The point is that it is worse than it could be because we don't have trustworthy and credible media. A trustworthy and credible institution could have convinced a lot of people to take this seriously while also not panic buying 17ing toilet paper.



Oh and regarding that tweet...she didn't lie. She took a line out of the story that would get the most views.....which is standard.....but the tweet didn't lie. It didn't even mislead. And the article looks fine. There are no lies. I dont want to get political. Everyone structures headlines/tweets to put the most juicy line first.

If you think that is an example that helps your case, I am sorry honey but you are the dumbass

But regardless, there was a ton of warning. Dont try to spin this. You are the one playing politics now

So you're saying she intentionally misled with her tweet and media constantly does the same, and you wonder why people don't trust them? And she was far from the worst. Her's was just misleading while others actually lied and claimed the President said governors were on their own. https://twitter.com/MaraGay/status/1239603785275670529

And look, I try not to call names (although I certainly give in to the temptation at times), but you don't understand the lesson of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, and you are calling other people dumbasses. First graders intuitively get the lesson of that story and you are sitting there going, "But the boy didn't lie the last time, why are those dumbass villagers ignoring good information?" Maybe you shouldn't be opining on other people's intelligence. It's one thing to go around being a dick when you are really smart. You should try not to do it before you can grasp things we teach to elementary students.

Again, having credible institutions matters in a crisis. We would be in better shape if we had a credible media institution with widespread reach. Some people will have the time and inclination and ability to sift through the noise and get good information. Some people are honestly too stupid to help regardless (maybe those that don't understand children's lessons?). But a lot of people fall in between and would follow recommendations from a trusted source. They are probably following recommendations from sources they trust now, it's just probably somebody they know rather than a media source, and who knows whether that trust is wellplaced. I have seen people that are generally intelligent act in ways that I think are overreacting and underreacting, although I don't know anybody hoarding toiletpaper or that have gone into a full bunker mentality in places where there aren't confirmed cases. But having a trusted institution to give information to those people would be very helpful in a time like this. It could limit panic buying. It could limit the number of people making last hurrahs at bars. Wouldn't eliminate it, but especially on the panic side, a small number of people not buying into the panic could eliminate it as the idiots bought all the TP they could afford and people realized shelves were still stocked.

[hacker]

China:

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America:

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[hacker]

The "medical screenings" Trump mentions were just asking passengers a few questions. No temp check, no test, nothing else.

Keep in mind, you can be contagious and not have any symptoms for up to a week. These people were arriving from Europe.

[Dawgology]

China:

1239455780996173828

America:

1239240620700549122

You're going to compare Guangzhou (a city that has been in quarantine) to O'Hare (the 4th busiest airport in the entire world)??? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHAHA HAHAAH

Let's compare GTR to O'Hare. No wait lines AT ALL there. They must have their shit together!!!!!

[hacker]

When was the city of Guangzhou in quarantine?

Guangzhou was never in quarantine. But even if it was, the point is that China is prepared and we are not. Guangzhou airport is the 13th busiest airport in the world. So yes, I am making that comparison.

[Dawgology]

When was the city of Guangzhou in quarantine?

Guangzhou was never in quarantine. But even if it was, the point is that China is prepared and we are not. Guangzhou airport is the 13th busiest airport in the world. So yes, I am making that comparison.

17th busiest and all flights in and out of China (regardless of location) have been very limited over the past month. There is no comparison right now. Additionally, you have MANY US citizens rushing to get home right now so major hubs are at almost double capacity. You can't have it both ways. Either accept mandatory screening at reentry or be ok with anyone coming back into the country untested. Also, those 15 minute tests are highly innacurate, regularly give false negatives, and are still in an experimental phase. Using them as your primary screening tool is foolhardy at best.

[hacker]

There is no comparison right now.

Exactly. The point is, we issued a travel ban and knew these people would be coming home at the same time. And all we did was ask them questions which in turn caused 6 hour lines of people packed in like sardines. You can't compare our containment effort to China's and say "look, they did it! We'll be fine!"

[Dawgology]

Exactly. The point is, we issued a travel ban and knew these people would be coming home at the same time. And all we did was ask them questions which in turn caused 6 hour lines of people packed in like sardines. You can't compare our containment effort to China's and say "look, they did it! We'll be fine!"

Our containment efforts shouldn't be the same as China's efforts. Different country. Different people. Much larger population. Different social structure. Different economy. Different government. There are certain general guidelines that should be followed but each country will need to craft a plan that fits their country.

[hacker]

9 new cases in Mississippi, 21 total. Up from 12 yesterday.

e x p o n e n t i a l

It will double every few days. Where does that put us in a month?

[Joebob]

And there’s still very little testing being done in the U.S. And when they finally start doing it en mass, I bet they still won’t release all the data that needs to be released so that we can make an informed judgement of the risk. South Korea learned this with SARS and rectified it when Covid19 broke out, and it made a huge difference. . I’m sure that instead of learning from South Korea’s mistake in 2003, we’re gong to repeat it in 2020.

[hacker]

Italy:

February 20: 4 cases
March 16: 27,980 cases

What exactly is going to happen when we have around 30,000 people sick in this state?

[Dawg2003]

9 new cases in Mississippi, 21 total. Up from 12 yesterday.

e x p o n e n t i a l

It will double every few days. Where does that put us in a month?

We're in wait and see mode now. We are basically waiting to see if we follow Italy's numbers.

[Dawgology]

9 new cases in Mississippi, 21 total. Up from 12 yesterday.

e x p o n e n t i a l

It will double every few days. Where does that put us in a month?

It really depends on what would be considered the top of the peak. What we are seeing now are people that were infected from 4-14 days ago (or more). I expect it run up over the next few weeks and top out around then and then start to drop as social distancing measure, hand-washing measures, and quarantine measures start to be reflected in the population. Those lag appear to lag behind 2-3 weeks in all other countries that were hit first. I fully expect the US to hit 10,000 cases by months end.

[Dawgology]

Italy:

February 20: 4 cases
March 16: 27,980 cases

What exactly is going to happen when we have around 30,000 people sick in this state?

It's possible but unlikely. You are comparing an entire country and social system to a state. A country that houses several major cities and HUGE tourist attractions. A country with the HIGHEST number of inbound flights from China in the entire EU.

[hacker]

https://i.imgur.com/juCumct_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Show me how it'll be different for us. Data would be nice.

Maybe it'll be slightly slower in Mississippi because we're rural but it's way more likely to happen than not.

[Dawgology]

https://i.imgur.com/juCumct_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Show me how it'll be different for us. Data would be nice.

Maybe it'll be slightly slower in Mississippi because we're rural but it's way more likely to happen than not.

Again. You are comparing Country stats to State stats. You are comparing apples to oranges. Take a breath. Cases will go up. Wash your hands. Practice social distancing. Work from home if you can. Avoid large gatherings. That is very literally ALL that you can do right now. That's it. There is no magic bullet to stop this thing and there never will be. It has to run it's course. It will become endemic. Just do your part to help flatten the curve.

[hacker]

Again. You are comparing Country stats to State stats. You are comparing apples to oranges. Take a breath. Cases will go up. Wash your hands. Practice social distancing. Work from home if you can. Avoid large gatherings. That is very literally ALL that you can do right now. That's it. There is no magic bullet to stop this thing and there never will be. It has to run it's course. It will become endemic. Just do your part to help flatten the curve.

I fully agree. I'm more presenting this argument for the people who are reading this thread and not convinced that this shit's real

[Dawgology]

I fully agree. I'm more presenting this argument for the people who are reading this thread and not convinced that this shit's real

I see.

One interesting note: the UK has not been enforcing any quarantine or canceling large gathering and have only been quarantining their elderly. It seems they have significantly slowed the rise in cases. With that said they are now starting a more aggresive approach like the rest fo the world.

[dantheman4248]

It really depends on what would be considered the top of the peak. What we are seeing now are people that were infected from 4-14 days ago (or more). I expect it run up over the next few weeks and top out around then and then start to drop as social distancing measure, hand-washing measures, and quarantine measures start to be reflected in the population. Those lag appear to lag behind 2-3 weeks in all other countries that were hit first. I fully expect the US to hit 10,000 cases by months end.


We'll be at 10K by the end of the week. We're adding 1K+ a day right now. And as testing becomes more accessible, we will only add more.

[dawgs]

Nobody is saying there wasn't good information out there. The point is that there is not an institution that has earned any credibility. That hurts when you're trying to manage a crisis.

You are a flamethrower in a field of strawmen. The point is not that the media caused this. The point is that it is worse than it could be because we don't have trustworthy and credible media. A trustworthy and credible institution could have convinced a lot of people to take this seriously while also not panic buying 17ing toilet paper.



So you're saying she intentionally misled with her tweet and media constantly does the same, and you wonder why people don't trust them? And she was far from the worst. Her's was just misleading while others actually lied and claimed the President said governors were on their own. https://twitter.com/MaraGay/status/1239603785275670529

And look, I try not to call names (although I certainly give in to the temptation at times), but you don't understand the lesson of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, and you are calling other people dumbasses. First graders intuitively get the lesson of that story and you are sitting there going, "But the boy didn't lie the last time, why are those dumbass villagers ignoring good information?" Maybe you shouldn't be opining on other people's intelligence. It's one thing to go around being a dick when you are really smart. You should try not to do it before you can grasp things we teach to elementary students.

Again, having credible institutions matters in a crisis. We would be in better shape if we had a credible media institution with widespread reach. Some people will have the time and inclination and ability to sift through the noise and get good information. Some people are honestly too stupid to help regardless (maybe those that don't understand children's lessons?). But a lot of people fall in between and would follow recommendations from a trusted source. They are probably following recommendations from sources they trust now, it's just probably somebody they know rather than a media source, and who knows whether that trust is wellplaced. I have seen people that are generally intelligent act in ways that I think are overreacting and underreacting, although I don't know anybody hoarding toiletpaper or that have gone into a full bunker mentality in places where there aren't confirmed cases. But having a trusted institution to give information to those people would be very helpful in a time like this. It could limit panic buying. It could limit the number of people making last hurrahs at bars. Wouldn't eliminate it, but especially on the panic side, a small number of people not buying into the panic could eliminate it as the idiots bought all the TP they could afford and people realized shelves were still stocked.

You need to learn to discern underlying facts from opinion and editorializing. They are often co-mingled cause folks don't like reading dry data, but any researched article should at least providing link directly to their data/research that supports their opinion/conclusion. Rarely does the media outright lie about data, there might be some misleading use of data, but that's easy to spot with any level of critical thinking. People want an easy knee jerk reaction instead of stepping back and wondering if maybe the underlying data supports a position you previously hadn't considered or opposed, so it's "fake news". And I get it, we have busy lives, it's much easier to have a knee jerk reaction to a headline or a first paragraph than it is to read what's behind the article, but instead of forming a hard and fast opinion that it's fake news cause you don't like the headline, maybe make a point to look deeper into this particle issue later when you have time. Or if not then don't dig your heels into a stance and refuse to hear the facts that counter your position.

[MaroonFlounder]

FYI

I work for the 2nd biggest employer in the state of MS: Nissan Mfg in Canton. 5,000 to 6,000 people pass through this 1.6 Billion square foot building every day (employees and contractors) and we have ZERO cases of COVID-19.

Our sister plant has had ONE individual who was put on quarantine because he (or it may have been a she, they didn't say) was around an infected person.

That's 12,000 people in TN and MS, and only 1 person has been put on quarantine for POSSIBLY having been exposed to the virus.

It may mushroom and become a greater problem here in the states in the coming weeks, but so far it's not the scourge that some are saying it will become.

[PMDawg]

The problem is our PEOPLE. I know several people who are STILL making light of this, making fun of people taking it seriously, and still going about life as if it's normal. These people are still going to restaurants, movies, stores, letting their kids play on the McDonald's playground, etc. These PEOPLE are the problem. I don't know what else our Local, State, and Federal Governments can do without declaring marshal law. People, in general, are stupid. Americans are also incredibly self-centered. THIS is why we can't turn the tide on this thing yet. By the time the stupid, selfish people get on board, it will already be a total disaster.

[PMDawg]

FYI

I work for the 2nd biggest employer in the state of MS: Nissan Mfg in Canton. 5,000 to 6,000 people pass through this 1.6 Billion square foot building every day (employees and contractors) and we have ZERO cases of COVID-19.

Our sister plant has had ONE individual who was put on quarantine because he (or it may have been a she, they didn't say) was around an infected person.

That's 12,000 people in TN and MS, and only 1 person has been put on quarantine for POSSIBLY having been exposed to the virus.

It may mushroom and become a greater problem here in the states in the coming weeks, but so far it's not the scourge that some are saying it will become.

ETA: I see they have not been confirmed, only exposed to someone themselves. So hopefully they did not catch it.

[BeardoMSU]

The problem is our PEOPLE. I know several people who are STILL making light of this, making fun of people taking it seriously, and still going about life as if it's normal. These people are still going to restaurants, movies, stores, letting their kids play on the McDonald's playground, etc. These PEOPLE are the problem. I don't know what else our Local, State, and Federal Governments can do without declaring marshal law. People, in general, are stupid. Americans are also incredibly self-centered. THIS is why we can't turn the tide on this thing yet. By the time the stupid, selfish people get on board, it will already be a total disaster.

Ron White put it best, I believe...

[Dawgology]

ETA: I see they have not been confirmed, only exposed to someone themselves. So hopefully they did not catch it.

Same with where my wife works. MDH and CDC investigated the person that tested positive in Jackson and notified anyone they came into contact with. Two people that work in her division had been in the same room during a training session with the positive person (along with 25 others). All of those are quarantined for two weeks now even though they all tested negative.

[msstate7]

When will Italy update cases? It's been at 27,980 for a while now. I know it's risen, but I'd like to see by how much

[Dawgology]

The problem is our PEOPLE. I know several people who are STILL making light of this, making fun of people taking it seriously, and still going about life as if it's normal. These people are still going to restaurants, movies, stores, letting their kids play on the McDonald's playground, etc. These PEOPLE are the problem. I don't know what else our Local, State, and Federal Governments can do without declaring marshal law. People, in general, are stupid. Americans are also incredibly self-centered. THIS is why we can't turn the tide on this thing yet. By the time the stupid, selfish people get on board, it will already be a total disaster.

I hate to be mean but that's also called natural selection. Incidentally, I believe this is why America can't turn the tide on a great many things...not just this virus.

[Dawgology]

When will Italy update cases? It's been at 27,980 for a while now. I know it's risen, but I'd like to see by how much

Hopefully it's postive news. (I mean...negative...news....in regards to testing). I'm kind of addicted to the worldometers site right now.

[StateDawg44]

What are you talking about? The Media isn't one singular thing. The media isn't lying to you. SOME media may be lying to you, but that is your fault if you listen to them. It is on you to research your own sources. If you are getting your news from unreliable sources that is on YOU. You cant blame this on the media We saw this coming.

I am sorry but your post screams of paranoia and bad choices in news. The media hasn't been lying to me over and over again. I know how to research and fact check. I know how to figure out what is reliable and what isn't.

I am sorry if you have spent the last few years getting your news from liars. Maybe look at where you are getting your news, but dont blame this on anyone else. We make our own choices on where to get info.

To blame this on the media is lazy and flat out wrong

ETA I scanned the article you linked. I didn't see any lies in it. I am confused. Did you post that to show me an example of a news source that has correct info? The article doesn't help your argument. Not at all. What was incorrect?



Please if you don't mind, point me in the direction of this end all, be all, reliable source you get your news from. You definitely seem to have all the answers.


Bottom line is, people have their "source" that they rely on and always have and that's what they stick too. No, that doesn't make the sources accurate. But you expect people to do the research all of a sudden now? You are right, you can't make a blanket statement and blame this on "The Media". But at the same time, there is so much misinformation out there, and so much he said, she said, you can't expect there to be a clear and concise conversation amongst multiple people. Everyone says what they heard (and in your case lash out and call people dumb and paranoid if they disagree with you). The news is told one thing reporting what they think is true and then something new comes out and it contradicts what was originally reported. No one can win in this scenario. This happens constantly and about other stuff other than Covid-19. Get real.


To pretend like ANY and EVERY news outlet shoots everything straight is being naive. I get what you are saying, 'Do your research', 'Don't listen to everything that is spoon-fed to you', 'Don't spread rumors that you don't know are factual'. All valid points, but why do you think that some big light switch has been flipped for everyone and now people get it? You would think this would be the case but you're living in faux bubble if you expect this to happen. You might as well ask everyone to set up a lab and start performing experiments.


No that isn't an excuse for ignorance, but step into reality brother. You act like most media outlets don't run off ratings. And today, drama and the like create ratings. To think they aren't still competing for ratings (a la money) you're naive again. Most people are going to ABC, CNN, FOX, etc. You know the ones. Or just google and click the first link with the headline that suits what they want to hear. Don't even try to deny that's not the case unless you just want to make things convenient for your vacuum argument. Again that is their fault, but it's reality. I turned on one of those media outlets last night and every single thing was fear-mongering with a few sprinkles of hope stories. How would that not incite hysteria? They don't provide answers people are looking for because there aren't any answers yet. They just create more questions and unknowns. There was not one single other story spoken about other than Covid. So why do you expect people to be able to think for themselves when literally everywhere you go Covid is being talked about? Email inboxes are flooded with Company A or Company B's response to Covid like that makes a difference to anyone. Most all probably not on the same page. The obvious answer is don't read them and fend for yourself.

[Extendedcab]

Please if you don't mind, point me in the direction of this end all, be all, reliable source you get your news from. You definitely seem to have all the answers.


Bottom line is, people have their "source" that they rely on and always have and that's what they stick too. No, that doesn't make the sources accurate. But you expect people to do the research all of a sudden now? You are right, you can't make a blanket statement and blame this on "The Media". But at the same time, there is so much misinformation out there, and so much he said, she said, you can't expect there to be a clear and concise conversation amongst multiple people. Everyone says what they heard (and in your case lash out and call people dumb and paranoid if they disagree with you). The news is told one thing reporting what they think is true and then something new comes out and it contradicts what was originally reported. No one can win in this scenario. This happens constantly and about other stuff other than Covid-19. Get real.


To pretend like ANY and EVERY news outlet shoots everything straight is being naive. I get what you are saying, 'Do your research', 'Don't listen to everything that is spoon-fed to you', 'Don't spread rumors that you don't know are factual'. All valid points, but why do you think that some big light switch has been flipped for everyone and now people get it? You would think this would be the case but you're living in faux bubble if you expect this to happen. You might as well ask everyone to set up a lab and start performing experiments.


No that isn't an excuse for ignorance, but step into reality brother. You act like most media outlets don't run off ratings. And today, drama and the like create ratings. To think they aren't still competing for ratings (a la money) you're naive again. Most people are going to ABC, CNN, FOX, etc. You know the ones. Or just google and click the first link with the headline that suits what they want to hear. Don't even try to deny that's not the case unless you just want to make things convenient for your vacuum argument. Again that is their fault, but it's reality. I turned on one of those media outlets last night and every single thing was fear-mongering with a few sprinkles of hope stories. How would that not incite hysteria? They don't provide answers people are looking for because there aren't any answers yet. They just create more questions and unknowns. There was not one single other story spoken about other than Covid. So why do you expect people to be able to think for themselves when literally everywhere you go Covid is being talked about? Email inboxes are flooded with Company A or Company B's response to Covid like that makes a difference to anyone. Most all probably not on the same page. The obvious answer is don't read them and fend for yourself.

Wow, this MIT educated guy disagrees about the press & "deep state" not being involved with sensationalizing this. Please see the following link.

Doctor with 4 Degrees from MIT Warns 'Deep State' Using Coronavirus Fear-Mongering To Suppress Dissent

https://www.westernjournal.com/doctor-4-degrees-mit-warns-deep-state-using-coronavirus-fear-mongering-suppress-dissent/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=rightalertsbreaking&utm_campaign=wj-breaking&utm_content=ttp

[BulldogDX55]

Wow, this MIT educated guy disagrees about the press & "deep state" not being involved with sensationalizing this. Please see the following link.

Doctor with 4 Degrees from MIT Warns 'Deep State' Using Coronavirus Fear-Mongering To Suppress Dissent

https://www.westernjournal.com/doctor-4-degrees-mit-warns-deep-state-using-coronavirus-fear-mongering-suppress-dissent/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=rightalertsbreaking&utm_campaign=wj-breaking&utm_content=ttp

https://i.imgur.com/MAAJ8Jd.png

That source is garbage.

Source: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/western-journalism/

[hacker]

Italy's update

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7.94% death rate

Of closed cases, 54% recovered and 46% died

[The Federalist Engineer]

Italy's update

1239963467206905858

7.94% death rate

Of closed cases, 54% recovered and 46% died

One of the oldest populations in Europe, not rich, 25% smoke, limited HVAC deployment, and they stopped having kids.

Sad

[hacker]

One of the oldest populations in Europe, not rich, 25% smoke, limited HVAC deployment, and they stopped having kids.

Sad

Sad, indeed.

Of the US's closed cases, 43% recovered and 57% died.

[hacker]

But let's keep trying to come up with reasons why this isn't going to happen to us.

[BrunswickDawg]

Wow, this MIT educated guy disagrees about the press & "deep state" not being involved with sensationalizing this. Please see the following link.

Doctor with 4 Degrees from MIT Warns 'Deep State' Using Coronavirus Fear-Mongering To Suppress Dissent

https://www.westernjournal.com/doctor-4-degrees-mit-warns-deep-state-using-coronavirus-fear-mongering-suppress-dissent/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=rightalertsbreaking&utm_campaign=wj-breaking&utm_content=ttp

Speaking as a bureaucrat - you lost me at "deep state".

[Extendedcab]

Speaking as a bureaucrat - you lost me at "deep state".

Deep State - a body of people, typically influential members of government agencies or the military, believed to be involved in the secret manipulation or control of government policy.

[BeardoMSU]

Deep State - a body of people, typically influential members of government agencies or the military, believed to be involved in the secret manipulation or control of government policy.

It's essentially been co-opted to now mean "anyone who doesn't swear fealty and undying loyalty". Not very American, tbqh.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Sad, indeed.

Of the US's closed cases, 43% recovered and 57% died.

Almost half of those deaths are at the nursing home in Seattle.

Doesn’t change your point. I actually see the USA as many countries in one. NYC, LA,and SF are going to have different outcomes than other places. It makes a difference to live on 1/2 acre versus 900 sq-ft apartment in Manhattan.

It even makes a difference if you share public sidewalks, subway, Ubers, vs driving your own exclusive Chevy Tahoe

[StateDawg44]

Almost half of those deaths are at the nursing home in Seattle.



Definitely a skewed stat to try to use in an argument.

I get his point, but right now that stat doesn't carry much weight for his defense. 7-10 days from now I will listen to those stats a little more.

[R2Dawg]

Almost half of those deaths are at the nursing home in Seattle.

Doesn’t change your point. I actually see the USA as many countries in one. NYC, LA,and SF are going to have different outcomes than other places. It makes a difference to live on 1/2 acre versus 900 sq-ft apartment in Manhattan.

It even makes a difference if you share public sidewalks, subway, Ubers, vs driving your own exclusive Chevy Tahoe

True and this rural living has its advantages vs the big city life.

[dawgs]

How many ventilators does och have? Golden triangle in general? If 20% of the infected require hospitalization (anyone that needs to be hooked to a ventilator, since otherwise you are sent home to quarantine and ride it out), how many infected in the golden triangle infected before the numbers indicate they'd be running out of ventilators and decisions on who gets a ventilator and who dies are being made?

[StateDawg44]

How many ventilators does och have? Golden triangle in general? If 20% of the infected require hospitalization (anyone that needs to be hooked to a ventilator, since otherwise you are sent home to quarantine and ride it out), how many infected in the golden triangle infected before the numbers indicate they'd be running out of ventilators and decisions on who gets a ventilator and who dies are being made?


Is 20% the going rate for infected needing hospitalization and requiring ventilators?

[deadheaddawg]

The problem is our PEOPLE. I know several people who are STILL making light of this, making fun of people taking it seriously, and still going about life as if it's normal. These people are still going to restaurants, movies, stores, letting their kids play on the McDonald's playground, etc. These PEOPLE are the problem. I don't know what else our Local, State, and Federal Governments can do without declaring marshal law. People, in general, are stupid. Americans are also incredibly self-centered. THIS is why we can't turn the tide on this thing yet. By the time the stupid, selfish people get on board, it will already be a total disaster.

This is so true. Disgusting, shameful, pathetic, and sad people.

[dantheman4248]

Definitely a skewed stat to try to use in an argument.

I get his point, but right now that stat doesn't carry much weight for his defense. 7-10 days from now I will listen to those stats a little more.

This is the crux of the issue. People being reactive vs. proactive with a disease. It's one thing to be the reactive party in a war, but this is not that. This is a disease and we must be proactive. America being reactive has already cost 99 American lives. If it was you or your family member / friend then you'd say that's a pretty unacceptable price. I'd rather none of us have to reach that point. I'd rather be called crazy and help protect people's lives from this pandemic and have all the people saying it's an overreaction be right instead of what we've had happen. Now I'm proven right and people are becoming confirmed as injected more and more each minute. A 36% increase in 24 hours shows how little testing we were actually doing.

[deadheaddawg]

Please if you don't mind, point me in the direction of this end all, be all, reliable source you get your news from. You definitely seem to have all the answers.


Bottom line is, people have their "source" that they rely on and always have and that's what they stick too. No, that doesn't make the sources accurate. But you expect people to do the research all of a sudden now? You are right, you can't make a blanket statement and blame this on "The Media". But at the same time, there is so much misinformation out there, and so much he said, she said, you can't expect there to be a clear and concise conversation amongst multiple people. Everyone says what they heard (and in your case lash out and call people dumb and paranoid if they disagree with you). The news is told one thing reporting what they think is true and then something new comes out and it contradicts what was originally reported. No one can win in this scenario. This happens constantly and about other stuff other than Covid-19. Get real.


To pretend like ANY and EVERY news outlet shoots everything straight is being naive. I get what you are saying, 'Do your research', 'Don't listen to everything that is spoon-fed to you', 'Don't spread rumors that you don't know are factual'. All valid points, but why do you think that some big light switch has been flipped for everyone and now people get it? You would think this would be the case but you're living in faux bubble if you expect this to happen. You might as well ask everyone to set up a lab and start performing experiments.


No that isn't an excuse for ignorance, but step into reality brother. You act like most media outlets don't run off ratings. And today, drama and the like create ratings. To think they aren't still competing for ratings (a la money) you're naive again. Most people are going to ABC, CNN, FOX, etc. You know the ones. Or just google and click the first link with the headline that suits what they want to hear. Don't even try to deny that's not the case unless you just want to make things convenient for your vacuum argument. Again that is their fault, but it's reality. I turned on one of those media outlets last night and every single thing was fear-mongering with a few sprinkles of hope stories. How would that not incite hysteria? They don't provide answers people are looking for because there aren't any answers yet. They just create more questions and unknowns. There was not one single other story spoken about other than Covid. So why do you expect people to be able to think for themselves when literally everywhere you go Covid is being talked about? Email inboxes are flooded with Company A or Company B's response to Covid like that makes a difference to anyone. Most all probably not on the same page. The obvious answer is don't read them and fend for yourself.

One thing is more than clear at this point. There are a couple of particular networks, one in particular that have failed this country. Once this is over and if you still watch that network you need your head checked. Its not really debatable at this point. One network has intentionally downplayed this. They have intentionally put the country at risk

As far as where I get my news. I like the wires, AP, Reuters. I like PBS and the BBC. New York times and washing post are generally fine, I try not to put too much into editorials.

One thing is VERY CLEAR. there is a large section of our country that is VERY unknowledgeable about whats going on. Its not really happening with all people and all media. It is clearly centered around one type of news source. You cant really deny it. The facts are the facts. A lot of people here get their news from crap sources. Every news source has issues.....but certain ones have a lot more issues than others. And if you group together the people that understand whats going on and the ones that dont.....you will see a clear line drawn about where they get their news

Its not hard to find good accurate news. If you cant that is really on you. Its not hard to know if information you are getting is correct. Dont stick to a single source. The problem is people....on both sides.....stick only to "their" media. If you only stick to one side you will never get correct info

[hacker]

I'll take a break after this one, but this may put it in perspective for some:

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[The Federalist Engineer]

Is 20% the going rate for infected needing hospitalization and requiring ventilators?

5% of Infected needed ventilators in China.

WHO data

The US won?t run out of machines. The US has many makers and many in warehouses at DME companies.

We are probably gonna end up with 500,000 extra units for Mexico and Canada when it?s all said and done.

Many of the US vulnerable already have a ventilator.

[deadheaddawg]

How many ventilators does och have? Golden triangle in general? If 20% of the infected require hospitalization (anyone that needs to be hooked to a ventilator, since otherwise you are sent home to quarantine and ride it out), how many infected in the golden triangle infected before the numbers indicate they'd be running out of ventilators and decisions on who gets a ventilator and who dies are being made?

The scary thing is Italy has MORE hospital beds per person that the USA. So for the people wanting to play down the severity of Italy because of the age, some of that will be offset by our lack of hospital beds.

[Dawgology]

I'll take a break after this one, but this may put it in perspective for some:

1239990997960011776

You need to go to worldometers.info and look at the daily stats. Daily new cases and daily deaths were actually down for Italy yesterday. It's still a lot but if you look at China's stats about a month to 7 weeks you start to see a decline in the virus from first reported. Maybe Italy has peaked...maybe not. Time will tell.

[deadheaddawg]

I'll take a break after this one, but this may put it in perspective for some:

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who is that guy and where is he getting his numbers?

I think the prespective people need is Italy actually just had their largest increase in both cases and deaths.

3,600 new cases yesterday; 364 deaths yesterday

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1239556975496761349[/

[StateDawg44]

This is the crux of the issue. People being reactive vs. proactive with a disease. It's one thing to be the reactive party in a war, but this is not that. This is a disease and we must be proactive. America being reactive has already cost 99 American lives. If it was you or your family member / friend then you'd say that's a pretty unacceptable price. I'd rather none of us have to reach that point. I'd rather be called crazy and help protect people's lives from this pandemic and have all the people saying it's an overreaction be right instead of what we've had happen. Now I'm proven right and people are becoming confirmed as injected more and more each minute. A 36% increase in 24 hours shows how little testing we were actually doing.

Are you implying what I stated is the problem, therefore, I am part of the problem?

[Dawgology]

who is that guy and where is he getting his numbers.

I think the prespective people need is Italy actually just had their largest increase in both cases and deaths.

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1239556975496761349[/

Their numbers dropped from yesterday to today. It's still a lot though.

[StateDawg44]

One thing is more than clear at this point. There are a couple of particular networks, one in particular that have failed this country. Once this is over and if you still watch that network you need your head checked. Its not really debatable at this point. One network has intentionally downplayed this. They have intentionally put the country at risk

As far as where I get my news. I like the wires, AP, Reuters. I like PBS and the BBC. New York times and washing post are generally fine, I try not to put too much into editorials.

One thing is VERY CLEAR. there is a large section of our country that is VERY unknowledgeable about whats going on. Its not really happening with all people and all media. It is clearly centered around one type of news source. You cant really deny it. The facts are the facts. A lot of people here get their news from crap sources. Every news source has issues.....but certain ones have a lot more issues than others. And if you group together the people that understand whats going on and the ones that dont.....you will see a clear line drawn about where they get their news

Its not hard to find good accurate news. If you cant that is really on you. Its not hard to know if information you are getting is correct. Dont stick to a single source. The problem is people....on both sides.....stick only to "their" media. If you only stick to one side you will never get correct info

No doubt. Don't deny or disagree with anything there.

I've also thought before this even came about that if you rely on implied networks or the ones I originally mentioned you need your head checked and to quit being a follower or so one-sided. It's not the way anything else in the world works.

[hacker]

Their numbers dropped from yesterday to today. It's still a lot though.

Also dropped on March 10th and has been around 3x that day's numbers ever since.

[StateDawg44]

How many ventilators does och have? Golden triangle in general? If 20% of the infected require hospitalization (anyone that needs to be hooked to a ventilator, since otherwise you are sent home to quarantine and ride it out), how many infected in the golden triangle infected before the numbers indicate they'd be running out of ventilators and decisions on who gets a ventilator and who dies are being made?


Is 20% the going rate for infected needing hospitalization and requiring ventilators?


5% of Infected needed ventilators in China.

WHO data

The US won?t run out of machines. The US has many makers and many in warehouses at DME companies.

We are probably gonna end up with 500,000 extra units for Mexico and Canada when it?s all said and done.

Many of the US vulnerable already have a ventilator.


Thanks for looking that up.

So where did 20% come from? Why even pluck that number out of thin air and bring it here? Why try and make it an extreme scenario when it's not close to reaching that point.

Read my words before you respond. I didn't say it's not possible, but this is part of where the "why are people freaking out?" comments come from. It's not that all who ask that don't understand the severity of it, it's this type of hooplah that people read and then turn around and ask their friend questions using 20% as their jumping-off point.

[Johnson85]

You need to learn to discern underlying facts from opinion and editorializing. You need to learn reading comprehension. Would love to know your thought process on how you came to that conclusion.


They are often co-mingled cause folks don't like reading dry data, but any researched article should at least providing link directly to their data/research that supports their opinion/conclusion. Rarely does the media outright lie about data, there might be some misleading use of data, but that's easy to spot with any level of critical thinking. People want an easy knee jerk reaction instead of stepping back and wondering if maybe the underlying data supports a position you previously hadn't considered or opposed, so it's "fake news". It's fake news because they actually lie. And they whether they are intentionally misleading rather than lying (to the extent you see that as different), the result is the same. People can't take the news at face value, which diminishes a lot of the value of the news.


And I get it, we have busy lives, it's much easier to have a knee jerk reaction to a headline or a first paragraph than it is to read what's behind the article, but instead of forming a hard and fast opinion that it's fake news cause you don't like the headline, maybe make a point to look deeper into this particle issue later when you have time. Or if not then don't dig your heels into a stance and refuse to hear the facts that counter your position.

No, you really don't get it and must be fortunate enough to live in a nice little bubble. It's not about having busy lives although certainly there are people who are rationally ignorant. Those people who are rationally ignorant probably have figured this stuff out for a while, even if maybe a few days later than they would have if we had decent media. It's about a significant portion of our population not having the ability and/or inclination to research an issue of importance and the only media with any widespread reach have taken a torch to their credibility over the past decade or so for a combination of reasons, some dealing with partisanship and stupidity but also some driven by market structure and incentives.

[deadheaddawg]

who is that guy and where is he getting his numbers?

I think the prespective people need is Italy actually just had their largest increase in both cases and deaths.

3,600 new cases yesterday; 364 deaths yesterday

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1239556975496761349[/


Their numbers dropped from yesterday to today. It's still a lot though.

Gotcha….these daily numbers are confusing me, because with the time difference I cant ever tell if I am a day behind.

I am seeing 3,600 cases....but I guess that was for the 15th? And right now the numbers of the 16th should be coming? I think that is correct

[Dawgology]

Gotcha….these daily numbers are confusing me, because with the time difference I cant ever tell if I am a day behind.

I am seeing 3,600 cases....but I guess that was for the 15th? And right now the numbers of the 16th should be coming? I think that is correct

Yeah, it's calculated at +0 GMT so the times are a little wonky. With that being said I just read where Italy is kind of fudging their numbers a bit because "new cases" are being reported based on a calculation that includes the new cases that day MINUS the recovered cases and deaths for that day. So they are actually reporting the difference in active cases...if I explained that correctly. No one else is doing that. Also, it's interesting that almost a full half of their cases are coming out of Lombardy. I'm not sure what the significance of that area is because I'm not really up on my Italian geography.

[KOdawg1]

Well the good news (if you can call it good news) is that the death rate in the US is comparatively low to that of other countries. Almost 6,000 cases with 100 deaths gives us a death rate of around 1.6%. Still a lot of people, but that number should go down even further with increased testing. For comparison sakes, the world death rate is 4%. Italy's is almost 8%.

[Dawgology]

Well the good news (if you can call it good news) is that the death rate in the US is comparatively low to that of other countries. Almost 6,000 cases with 100 deaths gives us a death rate of around 1.6%. Still a lot of people, but that number should go down even further with increased testing. For comparison sakes, the world death rate is 4%. Italy's is almost 8%.

I think Italy combined with lack of testing for mild cases and (in many cases) lack of quality screening tests are really throwing the stats off.

ETA: It absolutely blows my mind. I just read an article where there are complaints in Italy because Covid-19 POSITIVE individuals were made to return to work at the post office....until they were hospitalized and subsequently died three days later. Good grief...we may start seeing some of the real reasons behind Italy's death rate as info starts to leak out. That is inexcusable!!

[PMDawg]

One thing is more than clear at this point. There are a couple of particular networks, one in particular that have failed this country. Once this is over and if you still watch that network you need your head checked. Its not really debatable at this point. One network has intentionally downplayed this. They have intentionally put the country at risk


Its not really happening with all people and all media. It is clearly centered around one type of news source. You cant really deny it. The facts are the facts. A lot of people here get their news from crap sources. Every news source has issues.....but certain ones have a lot more issues than others. And if you group together the people that understand whats going on and the ones that dont.....you will see a clear line drawn about where they get their news



Yeah, this is bullshit. The fact that it's been made political BY BOTH SIDES is contributing EQUALLY to the problem. You're adding to it yourself with your own editorial. Keep to the facts.

[Cooterpoot]

This is so true. Disgusting, shameful, pathetic, and sad people.

Very similar to those panicking and hoarding.

[dawgday166]

Very similar to those panicking and hoarding.

They afraid ... they very afraid.

[deadheaddawg]

Very similar to those panicking and hoarding.

Hoarders are awful.

What do you consider as panicking?

[dawgday166]

Hoarders are awful.

What do you consider as panicking?

You

[deadheaddawg]

Very similar to those panicking and hoarding.


You

Specifics?

Is it because I think there is a real chance we have hospitals bed shortages in places?

Is it because I think the potential for hundreds of thousands of deaths are possible?

Is it because I think the lock downs are needed ?

Which or all of those do you disagree with? What other points?

[dawgday166]

Specifics?

Is it because I think there is a real chance we have hospitals bed shortages in places?

Is it because I think the potential for hundreds of thousands of deaths are possible?

Is it because I think the lock downs are needed ?

Which or all of those do you disagree with? What other points?

Ain't got time. Just be afraid ... be very afraid.

[Joebob]

Is 20% the going rate for infected needing hospitalization and requiring ventilators?

Last I saw, this meant that if you got tested (i.e. if you were sick enough to go to the doctor), you had a 20% chance of needing to be hospitalized and put on a ventilator. That figure will probably change as more people are tested and more data comes in. How it relates to the number of people overall that contract the virus isn?t clear yet.

[SheltonChoked]

5% of Infected needed ventilators in China.

WHO data

The US won?t run out of machines. The US has many makers and many in warehouses at DME companies.

We are probably gonna end up with 500,000 extra units for Mexico and Canada when it?s all said and done.

Many of the US vulnerable already have a ventilator.


I need a cite for that because that is not what the health officials are saying...

https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/covid-hospitals
The latest study available estimates there are about 62,000 ventilators in hospitals nationwide....It's been "publicly stated," he says, that there are about 12,000 ventilators in the national stockpile.

So as long as we have less than 75,000 people needing ventilators, everything will be fine.

8% of Chinese cases needed a ventilator.

[deadheaddawg]

I need a cite for that because that is not what the health officials are saying...

https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/covid-hospitals
The latest study available estimates there are about 62,000 ventilators in hospitals nationwide....It's been "publicly stated," he says, that there are about 12,000 ventilators in the national stockpile.

So as long as we have less than 75,000 people needing ventilators, everything will be fine.

8% of Chinese cases needed a ventilator.

Obviously the ventilators will not be spread out to match the virus. Are we going to take ventilators from hospitals that aren't using them and ship them to another?

If so I think that hurts places like Mississippi. All our little hospital that might have them will have to send them to the big cities. .....so I hope nobody needs one from something else.

I think that is going to be the biggest issue. One area or city is going to be hit hard and run out of things. What happens at that individual hospital?

Does Jackson Mississippi have to send stuff to Seattle because it hit there first?

[Todd4State]

Obviously the ventilators will not be spread out to match the virus. Are we going to take ventilators from hospitals that aren't using them and ship them to another?

If so I think that hurts places like Mississippi. All our little hospital that might have them will have to send them to the big cities. .....so I hope nobody needs one from something else.

I think that is going to be the biggest issue. One area or city is going to be hit hard and run out of things. What happens at that individual hospital?

Does Jackson Mississippi have to send stuff to Seattle because it hit there first?

Ventilators are not uncommon even in small hospitals in Mississippi. Many of those small hospitals in Mississippi are going to either ship their patients to UMC, Region One in Memphis, or University Medical Center in NOLA, and maybe UAB. Transporting patients on vents are not uncommon. The army has transported soldiers on vents who were wounded in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and etc. and flown them to Germany on vents quite often. So driving from Kosciousko to Jackson on a vent isn't crazy out of the question.

The thing about UMC is for as long as UMC has existed they have been taking patients all across the state so this won't really be any different in that regard since that is essentially their patient base anyway.

Another thing I don't see a lot of is people taking into account people getting well and getting off of a ventilator or sadly passing away which will open up a ventilator for another patient who needs it as well. Anyway, my point is people that go on vents aren't going to stay on vents the entire duration of the epidemic.

[The Federalist Engineer]

I need a cite for that because that is not what the health officials are saying...

https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/covid-hospitals
The latest study available estimates there are about 62,000 ventilators in hospitals nationwide....It's been "publicly stated," he says, that there are about 12,000 ventilators in the national stockpile.

So as long as we have less than 75,000 people needing ventilators, everything will be fine.

8% of Chinese cases needed a ventilator.

5% and the Vast, Vast majority of infected were in Wuhan. Page 10 and 32 if you are a reader.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

In the US, the COPD patients already have a respirator or other oxygen therapy device. WV, KY, and AL are the worst states for COPD.

[MrKotter]

Specifics?

Go read your post here and on SPS the last few days for your "specifics". You have thoroughly embarrassed yourself

[StateDawg44]

How many ventilators does och have? Golden triangle in general? If 20% of the infected require hospitalization (anyone that needs to be hooked to a ventilator, since otherwise you are sent home to quarantine and ride it out), how many infected in the golden triangle infected before the numbers indicate they'd be running out of ventilators and decisions on who gets a ventilator and who dies are being made?





Last I saw, this meant that if you got tested (i.e. if you were sick enough to go to the doctor), you had a 20% chance of needing to be hospitalized and put on a ventilator. That figure will probably change as more people are tested and more data comes in. How it relates to the number of people overall that contract the virus isn?t clear yet.


Ahhhh perfect example of misinformation and people not understanding what the hell is being said and then relaying it along. Hypothetical or not. This is no knock on you JoeBob. What you've said makes more sense.


But that's not what was originally insinuated, stemming my comment you quoted (original comment shown above). So now this topic has molded into a different conversation because people interpret things differently and then take it to the internet.

20% chance of needing to be hospitalized if you have the virus and 20% of the people infected needing to be hospitalized is not even remotely the same thing.

[msstate7]

Delete

[SheltonChoked]

5% and the Vast, Vast majority of infected were in Wuhan. Page 10 and 32 if you are a reader.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

In the US, the COPD patients already have a respirator or other oxygen therapy device. WV, KY, and AL are the worst states for COPD.


And if we start Martial Law, and sending teams tracing down contacts to each case like China did in Wuhan, Then you have a point...

Some excerpts from the WHO Report...


As COVID-19 is a newly identified pathogen, there is no known pre-existing immunity in
humans. Based on the epidemiologic characteristics observed so far in China, everyone is
assumed to be susceptible, although there may be risk factors increasing susceptibility to
infection. This requires further study, as well as to know whether there is neutralising
immunity after infection


In the face of a previously unknown virus, China has rolled out perhaps the most ambitious, agile and aggressive disease containment effort in history


Achieving China?s exceptional coverage with and adherence to these containment measures has only been possible due to the deep commitment of the Chinese people to collective action in the face of this common threat. At a community level this is the reflected in the remarkable solidarity of provinces and cities in support of the most vulnerable populations and communities.

Yep seems like the US can do this step****


Much of the global community is not yet ready, in mindset and materially, to
implement the measures that have been employed to contain COVID-19 in China.
These are the only measures that are currently proven to interrupt or minimize
transmission chains in humans. Fundamental to these measures is extremely
proactive surveillance to immediately detect cases, very rapid diagnosis and
immediate case isolation, rigorous tracking and quarantine of close contacts, and an
exceptionally high degree of population understanding and acceptance of these
measures.

Now count those over 60 that don't have COPD? Because that who will need one of the 74,000 Ventilators in the USA.

There are 6 ventilators at OCH... working the math backwards, 25% of severe or critical cases need vents, (24 severe or critical cases) only 20% of cases are severe or critical (120 total cases), to get OCH to capacity, if none of the vents are being used....

[deadheaddawg]

Go read your post here and on SPS the last few days for your "specifics". You have thoroughly embarrassed yourself

nope. The people dismissing this are embarrassing. And truth be told I have zero respect for them. The writing has been on the wall. If you were still calling this an overreaction and blaming it on the media last Friday then you are legitimately stupid, dangerous, and gullible fool. There is zero excuse not to know what's going on. And that means you willfully ignored this. Which is embarrassing. And I dont really care what their opinion of me is. They are not the kind of people I want to like me.

Ive tried to be nicer here, because I think this board is a more intelligent and reasonable bunch. That other board is full of blathering idiots.

[Lariverdog]

ok since this is a message board, here is my 2 cents:

First, I have 36 years experience as a clinical laboratory director. 26 years at a large academic medical center/health system

While it seems the elderly and those with some conditions certainly are at higher risk, we will never know the true mortality because we will never have an accurate denominator. So anyone publishing mortality numbers is just an educated guess.

Regarding testing, I have my doubts about accuracy. While personally I have no direct knowledge of this specific test, I very seriously doubt (1) it is anywhere an easy assay to perform and (2) no way in hell can test kits come out this fast. The clinical laboratory setting nationwide is severely understaffed. Non trained folks CANNOT be expected to perform complex to highly complex clinical testing with accuracy. For 36 years, I had to deal with issues regarding simple stuff like POC (point of care blood glucose testing). Daily. So anyone other than very highly trained testing staff performing this, errors are going to be very high.

Lastly, my buds in the research side say a couple of things. First, they HOPE this will burn out as temps warm Historically coronaviruses do not handle heat and humidity. So unless this has mutated to something that can handle heat/humidity, that is our best bet for containment.

Also I'm hearing a vaccine is a total waste of time. They tried to develop corona vaccines 20 years ago but found they mutate so fast that it becomes a waste a time. Just like we don't have vaccines for the common cold.

I'll share anything if I hear from the research community or anything of value.

[msstate7]

How quickly are test results coming back in Mississippi?

[gtowndawg]

ok since this is a message board, here is my 2 cents:

First, I have 36 years experience as a clinical laboratory director. 26 years at a large academic medical center/health system

While it seems the elderly and those with some conditions certainly are at higher risk, we will never know the true mortality because we will never have an accurate denominator. So anyone publishing mortality numbers is just an educated guess.

Regarding testing, I have my doubts about accuracy. While personally I have no direct knowledge of this specific test, I very seriously doubt (1) it is anywhere an easy assay to perform and (2) no way in hell can test kits come out this fast. The clinical laboratory setting nationwide is severely understaffed. Non trained folks CANNOT be expected to perform complex to highly complex clinical testing with accuracy. For 36 years, I had to deal with issues regarding simple stuff like POC (point of care blood glucose testing). Daily. So anyone other than very highly trained testing staff performing this, errors are going to be very high.

Lastly, my buds in the research side say a couple of things. First, they HOPE this will burn out as temps warm Historically coronaviruses do not handle heat and humidity. So unless this has mutated to something that can handle heat/humidity, that is our best bet for containment.

Also I'm hearing a vaccine is a total waste of time. They tried to develop corona vaccines 20 years ago but found they mutate so fast that it becomes a waste a time. Just like we don't have vaccines for the common cold.

I'll share anything if I hear from the research community or anything of value.

Good stuff. Thanks.

[StateDawg44]

And if we start Martial Law, and sending teams tracing down contacts to each case like China did in Wuhan, Then you have a point...

Some excerpts from the WHO Report...



Yep seems like the US can do this step****



Now count those over 60 that don't have COPD? Because that who will need one of the 74,000 Ventilators in the USA.

There are 6 ventilators at OCH... working the math backwards, 25% of severe or critical cases need vents, (24 severe or critical cases) only 20% of cases are severe or critical (120 total cases), to get OCH to capacity, if none of the vents are being used....


Where did you get the info on the number of ventilators at OCH? I'm not saying it's not true. It's just a question.

Could you cite the bolded? Until this happens, you're only speaking hypothetically based on stats of a very very small and new sample.

It's possible yes, I'm not saying it's not. But you're acting as if we've lost the blueprint to how to make a new ventilator or that they are only made in one location and unable to move them.

[deadheaddawg]

I saw one hospital was able to use a 3D printer to print ventilator values and converted a single ventilator into one that could be used on multiple patients. So it might even be possible for some places to rig up the ones they have for more people.

[dawgday166]

nope. The people dismissing this are embarrassing. And truth be told I have zero respect for them. The writing has been on the wall. If you were still calling this an overreaction and blaming it on the media last Friday then you are legitimately stupid, dangerous, and gullible fool. There is zero excuse not to know what's going on. And that means you willfully ignored this. Which is embarrassing. And I dont really care what their opinion of me is. They are not the kind of people I want to like me.

Ive tried to be nicer here, because I think this board is a more intelligent and reasonable bunch. That other board is full of blathering idiots.

We get it. You're scared shitless.

[deadheaddawg]

We get it. You're scared shitless.

Nope not scared. I am just obnoxious and a loudmouth. And I have zero respect for someone like you, so I'm going to be a loudmouth about it.

See people like you are scared. You are scared of smart people. You don't trust science and medical experts because you can't understand what they are saying. So you retreat into sone big tough guy act.

Yet when the shit hits the fan it will be people like you asking for sympathy because your grandpa is sick. It will be people like you looking to blame someone else.

All because you are too stupid to understand. I would feel sorry for your lack of critical thinking skills, but you don't deserve it... because with this, your stupidity is dangerous

[Joebob]

Ran across this this morning. Interesting read, and gives us some optimism for a treatment.

https://www.marketwatch.com/articles/regenerons-ceo-on-the-search-for-a-coronavirus-treatment-51584468863?mod=home-page

[dawgday166]

Nope not scared. I am just obnoxious and a loudmouth. And I have zero respect for someone like you, so I'm going to be a loudmouth about it.

See people like you are scared. You are scared of smart people. You don't trust science and medical experts because you can't understand what they are saying. So you retreat into sone big tough guy act.

Yet when the shit hits the fan it will be people like you asking for sympathy because your grandpa is sick. It will be people like you looking to blame someone else.

All because you are too stupid to understand. I would feel sorry for your lack of critical thinking skills, but you don't deserve it

I'm a rocket scientist ... not kidding. What do you do for a living? Of course being a rocket scientist doesn't necessarily make me brilliant or anything. I've also seen a lot of dumb, impractical people with a lot of "credentials" in my career. Just because someone has "MD or PhD" after their name doesn't mean they necessarily are at the top of their profession.

My Dad just died at 79. When you're 79 it's getting close to your time to die. I lost an ex-wife I was still close to and cared about last year. Those 30 year old couples with 3 kids are gonna be devastated so we can minimize the risks to a lot of older folks. Not that I don't care about or have compassion for older folks but destroying the economy and younger folks' lives over this is something I'm questioning a good bit.

I don't have the answers and neither do you. However, I'm not freaking out about it. I imagine you're about 60 years old and are petrified. So let's declare marshall law so you can be safe.

[Joebob]

I'm a rocket scientist ... not kidding. What do you do for a living? Of course being a rocket scientist doesn't necessarily make me brilliant or anything. I've also seen a lot of dumb, impractical people with a lot of "credentials" in my career. Just because someone has "MD or PhD" after their name doesn't mean they necessarily are at the top of their profession.

My Dad just died at 79. When you're 79 it's getting close to your time to die. I lost an ex-wife I was still close to and cared about last year. Those 30 year old couples with 3 kids are gonna be devastated so we can minimize the risks to a lot of older folks. Not that I don't care about or have compassion for older folks but destroying the economy and younger folks' lives over this is something I'm questioning a good bit.

I don't have the answers and neither do you. However, I'm not freaking out about it. I imagine you're about 60 years old and are petrified. So let's declare marshall law so you can be safe.

Can you just try and not be a jerk for a little while? Please?

And by the way, there's a significant number of younger people that are suffering with this disease too. It's not just "old" people (according to your definition of old, of course). There are three people in Dallas county (where community spread is just starting) that are in critical condition, and two of them are in their 20s.

[deadheaddawg]

I'm a rocket scientist ... not kidding. What do you do for a living? Of course being a rocket scientist doesn't necessarily make me brilliant or anything. I've also seen a lot of dumb, impractical people with a lot of "credentials" in my career. Just because someone has "MD or PhD" after their name doesn't mean they necessarily are at the top of their profession.

My Dad just died at 79. When you're 79 it's getting close to your time to die. I lost an ex-wife I was still close to and cared about last year. Those 30 year old couples with 3 kids are gonna be devastated so we can minimize the risks to a lot of older folks. Not that I don't care about or have compassion for older folks but destroying the economy and younger folks' lives over this is something I'm questioning a good bit.

I don't have the answers and neither do you. However, I'm not freaking out about it. I imagine you're about 60 years old and are petrified. So let's declare marshall law so you can be safe.

lol.

Im in my early 40s. I work in finance.

Its amazing you still dont understand. Why do you think other countries, states, and cities are doing a lock down? Do you think they are all listening to people with MDs and PHDs that are not at the top of the game? Do you think they are petrified?

My favorite part of your post is the one about destroying the economy. That shows me without a doubt you are horribly misinformed and short sighted. It shows me that you are so shortsighted you dont understand a quicker shutdown could mean a shorter one. The ironic thing about this is your attitude is the one that is going to hurt the economy MORE. Delaying the response is going to be worse on the country from a healthcare and a economic standpoint. Its baffling you choose to ignore this

[StateDawg44]

Nope not scared. I am just obnoxious and a loudmouth. And I have zero respect for someone like you, so I'm going to be a loudmouth about it.

See people like you are scared. You are scared of smart people. You don't trust science and medical experts because you can't understand what they are saying.. So you retreat into sone big tough guy act.

Yet when the shit hits the fan it will be people like you asking for sympathy because your grandpa is sick. It will be people like you looking to blame someone else.

All because you are too stupid to understand. I would feel sorry for your lack of critical thinking skills, but you don't deserve it... because with this, your stupidity is dangerous


Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. Stop lashing out. You don't know one single thing about how this person is actively going about their day to day life.

You just attack and deflect with "My sources are better than yours" and "You're wrong, I'm right". Get a grip dude. That may be true sometimes but you really don't know anything other than what you're being told and even the experts are treading water right now trying to figure this out.

Why do you feel like you can state all of this like it's fact and tell others what is and what isn't?

[Extendedcab]

Calm down!

Ok everybody, I'm from the government and I am here to help!

Feel better already? :cool: Trying to lighten the mood just a bit. Be safe and smart, we will get through this.

[deadheaddawg]

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. Stop lashing out. You don't know one single thing about how this person is actively going about their day to day life.

You just attack and deflect with "My sources are better than yours" and "You're wrong, I'm right". Get a grip dude. That may be true sometimes but you really don't know anything other than what you're being told and even the experts are treading water right now trying to figure this out.

Why do you feel like you can state all of this like it's fact and tell others what is and what isn't?

Because I'm going with the vast majority of the people that have been ahead of us on this. That's the thing. We have been watching this unfold in other countries.

And sources matter. There have been warnings us for a while. There is clear line that divides the people blaming this on the media and the people that are telling people this is very serious. The line is easy to see because the people calling it an overreaction and media hysteria get their news from one type of source.

So I'm confident, because of where I get my info. They are looking at what has actually happened...the ones shouting overeation.....well they are using "common sense" or listening to news that has deliberately tried to play this down.

[Pinto]

To everyone in this thread:
https://media.giphy.com/media/krhW9yWEI0x0Y/giphy.gif

[Extendedcab]

Because I'm going with the vast majority of the people that have been ahead of us on this. That's the thing. We have been watching this unfold in other countries.

And sources matter. There have been warnings us for a while. There is clear line that divides the people blaming this on the media and the people that are telling people this is very serious. The line is easy to see because the people calling it an overreaction and media hysteria get their news from one type of source.

So I'm confident, because of where I get my info. They are looking at what has actually happened...the ones shouting overeation.....well they are using "common sense" or listening to news that has deliberately tried to play this down.

Correct sources do matter, but by the same token, you don't want to be a lemming either!

[ScoobaDawg]

So who is working from Home or still having to go in? My wife started the week at home and I joined yesterday. Her office is offically closed, mine is "open" but a very light skeleton crew for now.

[StateDawg44]

Because I'm going with the vast majority of the people that have been ahead of us on this. That's the thing. We have been watching this unfold in other countries.

And sources matter. There have been warnings us for a while. There is clear line that divides the people blaming this on the media and the people that are telling people this is very serious. The line is easy to see because the people calling it an overreaction and media hysteria get their news from one type of source.

So I'm confident, because of where I get my info. They are looking at what has actually happened...the ones shouting overeation.....well they are using "common sense" or listening to news that has deliberately tried to play this down.


Step into reality. Not one single person on this Earth has been or are "ahead on this". You are comparing apples and oranges and pretending like this is all going on in a vacuum.

You are acting like Shotgun and our history with 5* recruits and trying to "raise awareness" and being irrational and muting conversation because you have sources that no one else can access or something.

You are casting blanket comments over anyone who waivers off of your beliefs and what you've read. Most may, in fact, be accurate but you aren't accomplishing anything other than being a dick who thinks they are going to be the one and the only person who said I told yall so or you know something as fact. Try a new approach.

At this point, even the experts you are reading from can't say they know a thing without a doubt about this and how things will play out. Stop pretending like there are and just play your part without trying your damndest to blatantly be obnoxious. When was the last time you listened to anyone who was being this way? Right or wrong. Most people choose to ignore or criticize people acting like you are.

Try something else because you clearly aren't successful at conveying the message you are attempting to convey.

[dawgday166]

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. Stop lashing out. You don't know one single thing about how this person is actively going about their day to day life.

You just attack and deflect with "My sources are better than yours" and "You're wrong, I'm right". Get a grip dude. That may be true sometimes but you really don't know anything other than what you're being told and even the experts are treading water right now trying to figure this out.

Why do you feel like you can state all of this like it's fact and tell others what is and what isn't?

Lessee .. he calls people stupid, pathethic, they're listening to wrong news sources, etc. etc. while wishing death on their family members cause they don't agree with him. All while running around like Chicken Little saying the sky is falling, yet he isn't afraid.

And Joebob asks me to quit being a jerk about it SMDH.

[Cooterpoot]

Nope not scared. I am just obnoxious and a loudmouth. And I have zero respect for someone like you, so I'm going to be a loudmouth about it.

See people like you are scared. You are scared of smart people. You don't trust science and medical experts because you can't understand what they are saying. So you retreat into sone big tough guy act.

Yet when the shit hits the fan it will be people like you asking for sympathy because your grandpa is sick. It will be people like you looking to blame someone else.

All because you are too stupid to understand. I would feel sorry for your lack of critical thinking skills, but you don't deserve it... because with this, your stupidity is dangerous

I learned a long time ago...people who proclaim to be "smart", are the biggest collection of dumbasses you can find. They generally have no reasoning abilities, nor interpersonal skills. They struggle with humanity in general.
Your condescending bullshit is beyond old. We know your stance. Move along.

[deadheaddawg]

Lessee .. he calls people stupid, pathethic, they're listening to wrong news sources, etc. etc. while wishing death on their family members cause they don't agree with him. All while running around like Chicken Little saying the sky is falling, yet he isn't afraid.

And Joebob asks me to quit being a jerk about it SMDH.

Nope. Never wished death on anyone. But I guess lying is expected from someone like you.
I think you said yourself people will die. Old sick people. Someone said that wasn't worth hurting the economy. I don't wish death on those people. But, like you said if people have to die, I hope it isn't the people that have been "freaking out".

And since you can't come up with an original intelligence response you use the tired old cliche of being scared.

Sorry you have been wrong about this all along. It's going to be interesting to see how long you dig your heels in and die on this hill.

[HoopsDawg]

Nope. Never wished death on anyone. But I guess lying is expected from someone like you.
I think you said yourself people will die. Old sick people. Someone said that wasn't worth hurting the economy. I don't wish death on those people. But, like you said if people have to die, I hope it isn't the people that have been "freaking out".

And since you can't come up with an original intelligence response you use the tired old cliche of being scared.

Sorry you have been wrong about this all along. It's going to be interesting to see how long you dig your heels in and die on this hill.

again, you are the least chill deadhead of all time.

[deadheaddawg]

again, you are the least chill deadhead of all time.

I think you are probably 100% accurate on that. My political leanings are often different than most deadheads, so I would not surprised if I lack the chillness of most. Plus coffee is the only drug I take and that probably makes my loudmouth even louder..... But yeah your sources on this seem to be right

[BeardoMSU]

So who is working from Home or still having to go in? My wife started the week at home and I joined yesterday. Her office is offically closed, mine is "open" but a very light skeleton crew for now.

Both of us are working from home, which helps since our daughter's daycare closed. My school's campus closed and we're going to online classes for the rest of the semester, so I've got my work cut out for me handling that.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

I learned a long time ago...people who proclaim to be "smart", are the biggest collection of dumbasses you can find. They generally have no reasoning abilities, nor interpersonal skills. They struggle with humanity in general.
Your condescending bullshit is beyond old. We know your stance. Move along.

Would you say he's Fighting Stupidity & Ignorance with Every Keystroke?*

[PMDawg]

Nope not scared. I am just obnoxious and a loudmouth. And I have zero respect for someone like you, so I'm going to be a loudmouth about it.

See people like you are scared. You are scared of smart people. You don't trust science and medical experts because you can't understand what they are saying. So you retreat into sone big tough guy act.

Yet when the shit hits the fan it will be people like you asking for sympathy because your grandpa is sick. It will be people like you looking to blame someone else.

All because you are too stupid to understand. I would feel sorry for your lack of critical thinking skills, but you don't deserve it... because with this, your stupidity is dangerous

Can we perma-ban this pile of shit masquerading as a human being yet?

[Extendedcab]

And to think everybody was concerned there would not be any topics to keep us busy while sports figures out how to recover from this. :confused:

[hacker]

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8.33%

[PMDawg]

Because I'm going with the vast majority of the people that have been ahead of us on this. That's the thing. We have been watching this unfold in other countries.

And sources matter. There have been warnings us for a while. There is clear line that divides the people blaming this on the media and the people that are telling people this is very serious. The line is easy to see because the people calling it an overreaction and media hysteria get their news from one type of source.

So I'm confident, because of where I get my info. They are looking at what has actually happened...the ones shouting overeation.....well they are using "common sense" or listening to news that has deliberately tried to play this down.

You get your information from people who used "unnamed sources" to bring America to the brink of riots in the street through the fabrication of a "Russian Collusion". Meanwhile, the sources you disparage were dead on correct throughout the entire farce. This is also not debatable.

You have made some fair points, but for the most part you're just a partisan hack parroting crap from the "right" sources who have been wrong more than right over the last 4 years. Multiple times they have been caught just making stuff up and have had to admit it and retract "stories".

This thread is not supposed to be political, and you've broken that rule. I know you believe your supposed higher intelligence has led you to be able to skirt the rule by not using actual names, but everyone here is smart enough to know who you mean (shocking to you, I'm sure!).

COVID-19 IS serious. Some here are taking it too lightly, I agree. But as I said earlier, both sides have politicized it, and that's bullshit on their part. Almost ALL US media sucks for reason or another. But, you, you're trying to add worthwhile discussion, but your personality and ideology just won't let you do it because you have to be a jerk 100% of the time.

[BulldogDX55]

1240326172589858818

8.33%

In the last 24 hours?

I've been warning people - we recently started outpacing Italy's rates, we've done less than them to stop the spread, and we're about 11 days behind. About a week from today it'll be hellacious. If we are following their pattern, we need to have a mass quarantine by friday if we want results to be only AS BAD AS that.

[PMDawg]

In the last 24 hours?

I've been warning people - we recently started outpacing Italy's rates, we've done less than them to stop the spread, and we're about 11 days behind. About a week from today it'll be hellacious. If we are following their pattern, we need to have a mass quarantine by friday if we want results to be only AS BAD AS that.

A week from today, we'll be 30,000+. Unless something changes very quickly between now and then.

[hacker]

In the last 24 hours?

4,207 new cases, 475 new deaths in 24 hours, yes

8.33% fatality rate overall

[Dawg2003]

The situation in New Orleans is not good. Have heard some things from colleagues down there.

[Lariverdog]

4,207 new cases, 475 new deaths in 24 hours, yes

8.33% fatality rate overall

the fatality % cannot be calculated because no one has the number of infections. This is simple math and we don't have the numerator

[Dawgology]

Something more is going on with Italy. Their healthcare workers are getting infected at a very high rate at twice the rate of China. 20% of their family doctors are also infected. They also reported 1000+ recoveries yesterday which is a good sign.

[Extendedcab]

Update -

As of Wednesday morning there were 6,519 cases and 114 deaths in the United States. This is a 1.748% death rate - so far anyway.

[Dawgology]

the fatality % cannot be calculated because no one has the number of infections. This is simple math and we don't have the numerator

We don't have the denominator. The denominator is the number below the line and is the standard to which to measure (i.e. total population of a group)

[Dawg2003]

I don't trust China's numbers.

[Lariverdog]

We don't have the denominator. The denominator is the number below the line and is the standard to which to measure (i.e. total population of a group)

yes you are correct, my mistake

[StateDawg44]

I think you are probably 100% accurate on that. My political leanings are often different than most deadheads, so I would not surprised if I lack the chillness of most. Plus coffee is the only drug I take and that probably makes my loudmouth even louder..... But yeah your sources on this seem to be right

So his opinion of being the least chill deadhead is a credible source? It is more than likely true but that sums it up.

Now we all know how this works in your head and what you consider a "source".

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

1240326172589858818

8.33%

Meanwhile South Korea is still floating around 1%, with a much more realistic denominator than Italy, a closer >65 year old population to ours than Italy (23% for Italy, 16% for US, 14% for South Korea), but also a much quicker response than us or Italy.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

[hacker]

Meanwhile South Korea is still floating around 1%, with a much more realistic denominator than Italy, a closer >65 year old population to ours than Italy (23% for Italy, 16% for US, 14% for South Korea), but also a much quicker response than us or Italy.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

Italy has tested the second most people per 1 million behind South Korea.

I don't think the true fatality rate is 8.33% but those are the numbers right now. It'll be a lot lower when you count asymptomatic cases that haven't been detected.

And I'm really just posting it more to show the trend. It's not getting better. Yet.

Italy's health care system is in shambles. The quality of medical care someone receives contributes a lot to whether a person makes it or not.

Edit: I think I meant half of my reply to be to the guy who told me to stop, lol

[gtowndawg]

Meanwhile South Korea is still floating around 1%, with a much more realistic denominator than Italy, a closer >65 year old population to ours than Italy (23% for Italy, 16% for US, 14% for South Korea), but also a much quicker response than us or Italy.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

South Korea also announced they are starting their pro basketball leagues back in 2 weeks. Unclear if fans can attend but they are feeling optimistic about things (seemingly).

[Dawgfan77]

From the world health organization:

These symptoms are usually mild and begin gradually. Some people become infected but don?t develop any symptoms and don't feel unwell. Most people (about 80%) recover from the disease without needing special treatment. Around 1 out of every 6 people who gets COVID-19 becomes seriously ill and develops difficulty breathing. Older people, and those with underlying medical problems like high blood pressure, heart problems or diabetes, are more likely to develop serious illness. People with fever, cough and difficulty breathing should seek medical attention.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

South Korea also announced they are starting their pro basketball leagues back in 2 weeks. Unclear if fans can attend but they are feeling optimistic about things (seemingly).

The link I posted shows that their cases have almost plateaued over the last week.

[Johnson85]

Something more is going on with Italy. Their healthcare workers are getting infected at a very high rate at twice the rate of China. 20% of their family doctors are also infected. They also reported 1000+ recoveries yesterday which is a good sign.

Yea, I think we're going to find out that they were inadvertently doing something very wrong or that they are actually facing a different strain or maybe some weird and very random confounding factor other than age and smoking. Or we'll see the final numbers and it will show that as bad as it was in Italy, their results for the patients receiving and not seeking treatment were similar to elsewhere.

[PMDawg]

Update -

As of Wednesday morning there were 6,519 cases and 114 deaths in the United States. This is a 1.748% death rate - so far anyway.

You can't calculate it against total cases. You calculate it using resolved cases. We dont have enough resolved cases to use, and our first outbreak was at a nursing home. We don't know our death rate yet and wont for weeks

[dantheman4248]

A week from today, we'll be 30,000+. Unless something changes very quickly between now and then.

Don't tell Doggie_Style that.


Complete bullshit....when it?s all said and done cases in the US won?t exceed 30,000....summer is close at hand


@OldTakesExposed

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Italy has tested the second most people per 1 million behind South Korea.

I don't think the true fatality rate is 8.33% but those are the numbers right now. It'll be a lot lower when you count asymptomatic cases that haven't been detected.

And I'm really just posting it more to show the trend. It's not getting better. Yet.

Italy's health care system is in shambles. The quality of medical care someone receives contributes a lot to whether a person makes it or not.

Edit: I think I meant half of my reply to be to the guy who told me to stop, lol

Its still about half of what SK is testing. >5000 per million vs about 2200 per million
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/17/us/coronavirus-testing-data.html

At the moment, the two outliers seem to be Iran and Italy, the highest mortality that I see outside of those two is about 4%. But they're also the two with the highest number of cases outside of China. So whether they are truly outliers or just ahead of the curve is yet to be seen at this point.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

ETA: Spain is at 4.5% and has the next highest # of cases. But the next 6 on the list in terms of # of cases are Germany (0.2% mortality), France (3%), US (1.5%), SK (1%) Switzerland (1%) and the UK (4%).

[Johnson85]

The scary thing is Italy has MORE hospital beds per person that the USA. So for the people wanting to play down the severity of Italy because of the age, some of that will be offset by our lack of hospital beds.

I'm thinking that's not true, unless you are just talking about actual mattresses rather than capabilities.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3551445/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/03/12/the-countries-with-the-most-critical-care-beds-per-capita-infographic/#6bac4b167f86

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I'm thinking that's not true, unless you are just talking about actual mattresses rather than capabilities.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3551445/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/03/12/the-countries-with-the-most-critical-care-beds-per-capita-infographic/#6bac4b167f86

Take Florida. 20 million people, 5 million are over 60. They have less than 5,000 ICU beds in the entire state, most of which are taken by the usual needs. Let's say they convert other rooms to ICU equavalents, and now have twice as many beds. Theyd still just have about 7,500 beds free. And they cant grow ventilators on trees either, that supply is pretty much fixed.

5,000,000 old people / 7,500 = 667 old people per bed. If even .15% of the old population need hospitalization at any given moment they're out of beds and certainly ventilators, and of course there would be many younger people in need of care too.

As far as medical staff and equipment, I dont know much about the US vs Italy. What I do know is we will be out of N95 masks almost immediately (some places already are) and the US has fewer Drs per capita than most. So we will have a very big Dr shortage.

The biggest problem seems to be ventilators. I'm sure here in a few weeks theyll figure out how to mass produce them, but for now the amount is basically fixed and pretty much everyone who needs hospitalization will need one

[hacker]

Its still about half of what SK is testing. >5000 per million vs about 2200 per million
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/17/us/coronavirus-testing-data.html

At the moment, the two outliers seem to be Iran and Italy, the highest mortality that I see outside of those two is about 4%. But they're also the two with the highest number of cases outside of China. So whether they are truly outliers or just ahead of the curve is yet to be seen at this point.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

ETA: Spain is at 4.5% and has the next highest # of cases. But the next 6 on the list in terms of # of cases are Germany (0.2% mortality), France (3%), US (1.5%), SK (1%) Switzerland (1%) and the UK (4%).

Yep, good info. I'd like to know what's going on in Germany. Their cases are growing fast now though.

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That's an awfully strange comparison for her to make. Can't tell if she means it's gonna be bad for them or bad for the rest of the world

[Johnson85]

Its still about half of what SK is testing. >5000 per million vs about 2200 per million
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/17/us/coronavirus-testing-data.html

At the moment, the two outliers seem to be Iran and Italy, the highest mortality that I see outside of those two is about 4%. But they're also the two with the highest number of cases outside of China. So whether they are truly outliers or just ahead of the curve is yet to be seen at this point.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

ETA: Spain is at 4.5% and has the next highest # of cases. But the next 6 on the list in terms of # of cases are Germany (0.2% mortality), France (3%), US (1.5%), SK (1%) Switzerland (1%) and the UK (4%).

This could be the Italian version of Babylon Bee for all I know, and on top of that it's running through Google Translate, so shaker of salt, but it appears to be claiming that all but two of the deaths in Italy had another pre-existing medical conditions going on. Of course if he including things like obesity as a pre-existing disease, that would not be comforting to the US.

https://www.google.com/search?q=google+translate&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS878US878&oq=google+transl&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l6.1816j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://www.agenzianova.com/a/5e6bcf1da7fbe3.23491954/2851060/2020-03-13/coronavirus-iss-in-italia-i-decessi-accertati-finora-per-causa-del-covid-19-sono-solo-due

[SheltonChoked]

Where did you get the info on the number of ventilators at OCH? I'm not saying it's not true. It's just a question.

Could you cite the bolded? Until this happens, you're only speaking hypothetically based on stats of a very very small and new sample.

It's possible yes, I'm not saying it's not. But you're acting as if we've lost the blueprint to how to make a new ventilator or that they are only made in one location and unable to move them.

A doctor there was a frat brother of mine.

Original numbers from the NPR story plus the number said by Dr Fanuci about the number of vents in the "national stockpile" we have.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/14/815675678/as-the-pandemic-spreads-will-there-be-enough-ventilators

Here is a Study from 2007 with a lower number.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/disaster-medicine-and-public-health-preparedness/article/mechanical-ventilators-in-us-acute-care-hospitals/F1FDBACA53531F2A150D6AD8E96F144D

I'm not saying that it's impossible to make new Ventilators, I am saying that we need to be making them, a month ago.

What is the delivery on ventilators? Who is paying for them? All of that still has to be answered.

I have seen 90-120 day delivery. Assuming we have the parts...

Meanwhile, the virus is spreading infection at 35% a day....That gives Northeast Mississippi less than a 2 weeks. (One case in Monroe county, will be over 120 in 2 weeks) 36 Mississippi cases will be 8,000 in 2 weeks.

[chef dixon]

I've seen estimates that Italy has 12.5 ICU beds per 100k population (~7500 ICU beds) in the entire country. There is an estimated 2000+ critically ill patients there currently from just this one illness. ICUs tend to stay about 65% occupied on a regular day in the USA. Just a savage scene over there I imagine. All the 300+ people dying daily there are just being reloaded by the day at a pretty scary rate. The more of those people that are being taken care of in the hallway of a hospital, the higher that death toll is going to rise.

[gtowndawg]

Not being heartless but dang, medical sales reps in the ventilator business are about to make a truckload.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

This could be the Italian version of Babylon Bee for all I know, and on top of that it's running through Google Translate, so shaker of salt, but it appears to be claiming that all but two of the deaths in Italy had another pre-existing medical conditions going on. Of course if he including things like obesity as a pre-existing disease, that would not be comforting to the US.

https://www.google.com/search?q=google+translate&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS878US878&oq=google+transl&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l6.1816j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://www.agenzianova.com/a/5e6bcf1da7fbe3.23491954/2851060/2020-03-13/coronavirus-iss-in-italia-i-decessi-accertati-finora-per-causa-del-covid-19-sono-solo-due

I saw that the average age in Italy of those who died from Covid back on Friday or Sat was still 81 years old (don't have the link for that one). I have no idea if it's moved any since then, but they had a substantial number of mortalities at that point.

If the magic bullet for mortality is age, we'll be fine relative to global numbers. If it's pre-existing conditions, we're in trouble. Though those two things do go hand in hand to a degree of course, but we do love our diabetes, obesity and hypertension here.

[gtowndawg]

Yeah, time for deadhead to take a break. WAY off base with the "Italy has more beds per person than the USA does" talk. The amount of bad info out there right now is frightening and that's a perfect example.

https://www.niskanencenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Screen-Shot-2020-03-13-at-12.23.10-PM.png

https://www.niskanencenter.org/is-u-s-health-care-well-equipped-for-the-coronavirus/

[StateDawg44]

Yeah, time for deadhead to take a break. WAY off base with the "Italy has more beds per person than the USA does" talk. The amount of bad info out there right now is frightening and that's a perfect example.

https://www.niskanencenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Screen-Shot-2020-03-13-at-12.23.10-PM.png

https://www.niskanencenter.org/is-u-s-health-care-well-equipped-for-the-coronavirus/


B...B..But his sources are better than everyone else's and he knows which ones are right and wrong.

[PMDawg]

4,207 new cases, 475 new deaths in 24 hours, yes

8.33% fatality rate overall

Anything less than 10,000 added cases per day for Italy today, tomorrow, and/or Friday is actually a positive. It means they are starting to "flatten" the curve. The number of cases double every 3 days under "normal" circumstances.

The US is still more than doubling its cases every 3 days, which means we are not yet taking drastic enough actions (translation = too many spoiled, entitled, self-centered people are not taking this seriously yet).

[Political Hack]

European scientist predicted the spread of this in the US and UK. He anticipated more than 1 million deaths in the US alone based on the current mitigation strategy, rather than a more aggressive containment approach. We have possibly 2-3 weeks to get ahead of it by quarantining the country, but that's a very hard pill to swallow for free market fundamentalists. Be interesting to see what policies we follow moving forward.

[deadheaddawg]

Yeah, time for deadhead to take a break. WAY off base with the "Italy has more beds per person than the USA does" talk. The amount of bad info out there right now is frightening and that's a perfect example.



I said total beds, not ICU beds. I wasn't wrong, your very own article states the same thing I did. Your article argues that total beds are not really important. And that may be a great argument, but it is a different one that what I stated. But its cute that you will try so hard to find a gotcha moment. I am sure you will keep trying to find one. You will twist my comments. Which isn't surprising. I have triggered you. I'll wait on your next one

The good news is I see people in this thread now talking about the actual deaths going on and they are not really being met with much resistance now. I am glad to see that. I am seeing more and more people now start to realize hospital overflow will be an issues. The "its the media crowd" and "stop overreacting" bunch are slowing shutting up as they start to realize they were wrong. Hopefully I will not be need to scold them for much longer

Stay home if you can everyone

[PMDawg]

European scientist predicted the spread of this in the US and UK. He anticipated more than 1 million deaths in the US alone based on the current mitigation strategy, rather than a more aggressive containment approach. We have possibly 2-3 weeks to get ahead of it by quarantining the country, but that's a very hard pill to swallow for free market fundamentalists. Be interesting to see what policies we follow moving forward.

I think we're heading in the right direction (finally). Governors are shutting things down inside their own borders. You'll see something from Tate Reeves tonight or tomorrow that will constitute a move in the right direction for Mississippi. I don't know if it will go far enough or not, but he's got something coming.

[chef dixon]

People, in general, are not taking it seriously. Its a half-assed effort to this point. There was video of hundreds of people yesterday strolling the sidewalks in San Francisco despite a town lock down. It is what it is at this point it seems. It'll probably eventually be herd immunity that slows it down rather than our interventions. The whole country is being reactive and disorganized and looks like we will be playing catch up for a while.

[Maverick]

I'm not saying we are going to jump out of this by any means and I'm not trying to get political either but I would love to know how others feel about this. I have to say it sure feels like all the government regulations are being removed and we are about to see what the USA is really about when the private sector is able get going. I think we have to have the best of the best and these companies are about to get rolling making tests and PPE's and all this stuff that is needed.

Maybe I'm living on a dream cloud?? I tend to be optimistic and try to look for something good in times of turmoil.

[deadheaddawg]

I think we're heading in the right direction (finally). Governors are shutting things down inside their own borders. You'll see something from Tate Reeves tonight or tomorrow that will constitute a move in the right direction for Mississippi. I don't know if it will go far enough or not, but he's got something coming.

My wife works for a dental office and they are now being asked to re-use mask. And for people that work in mouths that is not good. Hopefully the state will step in and force them to shut down. She wont get paid, but they absolutely do not need to be open. My wife is off today anyway. I suspect if they try to make them work tomorrow, her ….and a few of the dentist, will refuse.

But it does look like the state governments are slowing getting things shut down. and that's good news

[BrunswickDawg]

How are y'alls local governments addressing this with their functions and employees? My government (which is also my employer) hasn't done much other than cancelling public gatherings, parks & rec, and closing our Senior Center and After-school program.
I have contact with probably 30-50 people a day, and my staff probably sees more than that (I oversee Planning, Building, Code Enforcement, and Historic Preservation) . Yet - we are being told we have to function as normal. It is somewhat disconcerting when you so many unknown interactions.

[Dawgology]

Yep, good info. I'd like to know what's going on in Germany. Their cases are growing fast now though.

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That's an awfully strange comparison for her to make. Can't tell if she means it's gonna be bad for them or bad for the rest of the world

Wait...did she just compare the CoronaVirus to the American's laying waste to the Nazi's??

[PMDawg]

My wife works for a dental office and they are now being asked to re-use mask. And for people that work in mouths that is not good. Hopefully the state will step in and force them to shut down. She wont get paid, but they absolutely do not need to be open. My wife is off today anyway. I suspect if they try to make them work tomorrow, her ….and a few of the dentist, will refuse.

But it does look like the state governments are slowing getting things shut down. and that's good news

Dentists offices will only be allowed to work on emergencies - no routine procedures. They will keep a very minimal staff (1 dentist, maybe a tech, and admin). They will see 1 patient at a time. Other medical offices (eye, GP, etc.) will do the same. I am hopeful that restaurants, movie theaters, etc. will be closed. We'll see.

[deadheaddawg]

As far as I can tell we have only closed the parks and public gatherings like you said. But I haven't seen anything official.

[deadheaddawg]

Dentists offices will only be allowed to work on emergencies - no routine procedures. They will keep a very minimal staff (1 dentist, maybe a tech, and admin). They will see 1 patient at a time. Other medical offices (eye, GP, etc.) will do the same. I am hopeful that restaurants, movie theaters, etc. will be closed. We'll see.
Is this an official order yet? My wife was told trump recommended it, but it was just a recommendation. But she hasn't actually heard from her boss yet (she's off today ), so maybe she just hasn't gotten word yet.

[PMDawg]

I'm not saying we are going to jump out of this by any means and I'm not trying to get political either but I would love to know how others feel about this. I have to say it sure feels like all the government regulations are being removed and we are about to see what the USA is really about when the private sector is able get going. I think we have to have the best of the best and these companies are about to get rolling making tests and PPE's and all this stuff that is needed.

Maybe I'm living on a dream cloud?? I tend to be optimistic and try to look for something good in times of turmoil.

I think the Governments are doing a good job doing what they can. State and Federal. They started too slow, and that's hurt. But I think they're figuring it out now and trying to be as proactive as possible. However - the people totally SUCK at doing their part. The Government can only do so much, and at some point the people have to help. Or we could always declare marshal law I guess.

[PMDawg]

Is this an official order yet? My wife was told trump recommended it, but it was just a recommendation. But she hasn't actually heard from her boss yet (she's off today ), so maybe she just hasn't gotten word yet.

It's coming tonight or tomorrow from the Governor's office.

ETA: Let me couch it like Coach34 - Unless something changes. Situation is fluid, yada, yada, yada. Sources blah blah blah.

[Bass Chaser]

My wife works for a dental office and they are now being asked to re-use mask. And for people that work in mouths that is not good. Hopefully the state will step in and force them to shut down. She wont get paid, but they absolutely do not need to be open. My wife is off today anyway. I suspect if they try to make them work tomorrow, her ….and a few of the dentist, will refuse.

But it does look like the state governments are slowing getting things shut down. and that's good news

What type of mask/respirator? What is meant by re-use?

[Johnson85]

I said total beds, not ICU beds. I wasn't wrong, your very own article states the same thing I did. Your article argues that total beds are not really important. And that may be a great argument, but it is a different one that what I stated. But its cute that you will try so hard to find a gotcha moment. I am sure you will keep trying to find one. You will twist my comments. Which isn't surprising. I have triggered you. I'll wait on your next one

The good news is I see people in this thread now talking about the actual deaths going on and they are not really being met with much resistance now. I am glad to see that. I am seeing more and more people now start to realize hospital overflow will be an issues. The "its the media crowd" and "stop overreacting" bunch are slowing shutting up as they start to realize they were wrong. Hopefully I will not be need to scold them for much longer

Stay home if you can everyone

You haven't triggered me (with the exception of not understanding the point of the Boy Who Cried Wolf; I'm incredibly triggered by stupidity and would never have the patience to be a teacher), you are just annoying a lot of people on two different boards. If Elitedawgs had a downvote, I'm sure you'd be the downvote option here too. You're basically just a troll but a sadder version of one b/c you seem to actually think you have been doing something other than make the board less readable.

[Dawgology]

How are y'alls local governments addressing this with their functions and employees? My government (which is also my employer) hasn't done much other than cancelling public gatherings, parks & rec, and closing our Senior Center and After-school program.
I have contact with probably 30-50 people a day, and my staff probably sees more than that (I oversee Planning, Building, Code Enforcement, and Historic Preservation) . Yet - we are being told we have to function as normal. It is somewhat disconcerting when you so many unknown interactions.

Yeah, ours isn't doing much. Basically, we were told if anyone starts showing signs send them home for quaratine and testing... My response was if they are showing symptoms already then it's too late. They've probably already spread the infection. I even offered a staggered staffing plan with a sterilization policy between shifts so that all departments could continue working. Not interested.

[deadheaddawg]

What type of mask/respirator? What is meant by re-use?

I will ask her, I'm not sure what type. Whatever dental hygienist use. I am not sure how often they change them out, I assume after each patient since you get blowback in your face when working. I'll double check with her

[deadheaddawg]

It's coming tonight or tomorrow from the Governor's office.

ETA: Let me couch it like Coach34 - Unless something changes. Situation is fluid, yada, yada, yada. Sources blah blah blah.

That's great news. Good work by the governor

[StateDawg44]

I said total beds, not ICU beds. I wasn't wrong, your very own article states the same thing I did. Your article argues that total beds are not really important. And that may be a great argument, but it is a different one that what I stated. But its cute that you will try so hard to find a gotcha moment. I am sure you will keep trying to find one. You will twist my comments. Which isn't surprising. I have triggered you. I'll wait on your next one

The good news is I see people in this thread now talking about the actual deaths going on and they are not really being met with much resistance now. I am glad to see that. I am seeing more and more people now start to realize hospital overflow will be an issues. The "its the media crowd" and "stop overreacting" bunch are slowing shutting up as they start to realize they were wrong. Hopefully I will not be need to scold them for much longer


Are you seriously trying to stroke your own ego right now?

You're one to talk about trying to find a gotcha moment. That's laughable.

[hacker]

The good news is I see people in this thread now talking about the actual deaths going on and they are not really being met with much resistance now. I am glad to see that. I am seeing more and more people now start to realize hospital overflow will be an issues.

I noticed this too

[deadheaddawg]

I noticed this too

On Friday and over the weekend all of social media was flooded with post about it being a media thing or a political thing or overreaction.

Not seeing as many today.

Saw a lot of people talking about the shut downs and closures being bad.....today I'm starting to see them share info on social distancing.

So we are seeing a lot of 180 flips since Friday. Which is great great great news. Thankfully people are understanding.

Really good to see the urgency that seems to have taken place over the last 24 hours

[hacker]

I went to the dentist yesterday and they did a screening on me (questionnaire, temp check) and then made me wait in my car until they were ready for me. And made me wash my hands when I got inside. My daughter was with me and they wouldn't even let me bring her in; she had to sit in the car the whole time.

[deadheaddawg]

yeah my wife said they are taking temps at the one she is at before they come in. I believe they have someone literally outside the door doing it.

[dawgs]

What type of mask/respirator? What is meant by re-use?

It means not grabbing a new mask before each patient. I think we as a country have like less than 2 weeks of masks available at the rate we should be using them.

[Political Hack]

I'm not saying we are going to jump out of this by any means and I'm not trying to get political either but I would love to know how others feel about this. I have to say it sure feels like all the government regulations are being removed and we are about to see what the USA is really about when the private sector is able get going. I think we have to have the best of the best and these companies are about to get rolling making tests and PPE's and all this stuff that is needed.

Maybe I'm living on a dream cloud?? I tend to be optimistic and try to look for something good in times of turmoil.

Without government intervention right now hospitals, airlines, banks, the service industry, etc... would all fail during this pandemic. 100's of millions of people would lose jobs. We have to have some level of regulation to protect the integrity of the system. That's what some people refuse to acknowledge despite it being an absolute truth. And this pandemic is proving that to once again be 1000% accurate.

[hacker]

banks

Here's something really interesting I came across, check the first line:

https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/reservereq.htm

Our banks no longer are required to have reserves. Why tho? Are they expecting a run? Isn't that the reason for the deposit reserve anyway? It's pretty alarming IMO. Admittedly, I don't know a whole lot about the banking system.

[deadheaddawg]

It means not grabbing a new mask before each patient. I think we as a country have like less than 2 weeks of masks available at the rate we should be using them.

Yeah I've never asked her but I assume you are supposed to change after each patient. We have all been to the dentist......well maybe not all of us......but you know how much spray and scatter there is when you are getting them cleaned or drilled on. There will be a lot of salvia and other body fluids on those mask after each patient. I can verify latter, but I'm thinking a new one for each patient

[Dawgfan77]

23 pages in and no mentions of the fact there were multiple direct flights from China (Wohan especially) to Italy from December until the out break started. Want to know why Italy is in bad shape. higher percentage of direct contact with already infected people coming from China. Now look at US. Most deaths have been patients with underlying health issues. It's very sad that this occurred but at the same time panicking only makes things worse. More people have died of the flue in the US than have died of this.

Please be careful and cautious and careful but lets not act like it's the end of the world

[hacker]

Today: 2579 new cases and 41 new deaths in the United States
Yesterday: 1748 new cases and 23 new deaths in the United States
Monday: 983 new cases and 18 new deaths in the United States
Sunday: 737 new cases and 11 new deaths in the United States

[hacker]

23 pages in and no mentions of the fact there were multiple direct flights from China (Wohan especially) to Italy from December until the out break started. Want to know why Italy is in bad shape. higher percentage of direct contact with already infected people coming from China. Now look at US. Most deaths have been patients with underlying health issues. It's very sad that this occurred but at the same time panicking only makes things worse. More people have died of the flue in the US than have died of this.

Please be careful and cautious and careful but lets not act like it's the end of the world

I don't think the virus is more contagious if it's coming from a Chinese person. That's what you're saying.

[Dawgfan77]

Today: 2579 new cases and 41 new deaths in the United States
Yesterday: 1748 new cases and 23 new deaths in the United States
Monday: 983 new cases and 18 new deaths in the United States
Sunday: 737 new cases and 11 new deaths in the United States

Please if your going to throw these stats let's talk about average age and what were underlying health issues. Not being as ass but let's talk in facts. Should said person have contracted the flue or pneumonia what would have been the survival rate

Not downplaying this just being realistic

[Dawgfan77]

I don't think the virus is more contagious if it's coming from a Chinese person. That's what you're saying.
WTF.... no I'm saying that Italy outbreak happened due to the direct flights from China. Those on board Chinese or Italian were carrying the virus. That's why it spread so quickly

[hacker]

Please if your going to throw these stats let's talk about average age and what were underlying health issues. Not being as ass but let's talk in facts. Should said person have contracted the flue or pneumonia what would have been the survival rate

Not downplaying this just being realistic

It's mostly older people.

Here's one in his 50s
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-update-fifth-death-in-santa-clara-county-confirmed/

60s
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-sixth-person-dies-in-santa-clara-county-from-covid-19/

60s (died at home, not even hospitalized)
https://abc17news.com/news/2020/03/18/boone-county-records-missouris-first-covid-19-death/

[hacker]

WTF.... no I'm saying that Italy outbreak happened due to the direct flights from China. Those on board Chinese or Italian were carrying the virus. That's why it spread so quickly

It's spreading here at the exact same rate as Italy. Theirs just happened earlier.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/13/21178289/confirmed-coronavirus-cases-us-countries-italy-iran-singapore-hong-kong

[Dawgfan77]

I don't discount your concern. But we are not Italy and panic does no one good.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Here's something really interesting I came across, check the first line:

https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/reservereq.htm

Our banks no longer are required to have reserves. Why tho? Are they expecting a run? Isn't that the reason for the deposit reserve anyway? It's pretty alarming IMO. Admittedly, I don't know a whole lot about the banking system.

Actually- by what you just said, you know everything about fractional reserve banking. You da man.

But this is a sports site.

[The Federalist Engineer]

WTF.... no I'm saying that Italy outbreak happened due to the direct flights from China. Those on board Chinese or Italian were carrying the virus. That's why it spread so quickly

They even made a cute video of “hug a chinese dude”...

https://youtu.be/mNMdg4morQs

[MaroonFlounder]

Nissan production is shutting down for 2 weeks. Employees will be paid 32 hrs pay each week. Some with enough vacay/pto can use and get paid for the extra 8 to get it to the usual paycheck.

[Dawg2003]

We have a much sicker population than Italy. I'm not saying we will mirror Italy, but we have a very sick population with multiple chronic conditions. We have a ton of people walking around with diabetes in their 30s and 40s. Just something to think about.

[chef dixon]

The questionnaires at places like the dentist are borderline worthless. 80% of people with it won't know they are exposed, have symptoms (including elevated temperature). Dentist offices need to close or only be doing necessary visits. Unfortunately, a lot of offices and elective surgery centers are still scheduling patients because they don't want to lose money, but its coming whether they like it or not.

[99jc]

As a govt 1st responder we had a conference call today this is expected to blow up in ten to fourteen days. The govt is expecting to put up thousands of medical tents across the country for overflow containment hospitals. What infuriates me is I have to put my life on the line because we have so many 17ing imbeciles in this country out partying for spring break. We are about to witness something that will never be forgotten. Hope I'm wrong but from what I heard today I seriously doubt it.

[Political Hack]

We have a much sicker population than Italy. I'm not saying we will mirror Italy, but we have a very sick population with multiple chronic conditions. We have a ton of people walking around with diabetes in their 30s and 40s. Just something to think about.

This is a huge concern to me.

[chef dixon]

As a govt 1st responder we had a conference call today this is expected to blow up in ten to fourteen days. The govt is expecting to put up thousands of medical tents across the country for overflow containment hospitals. What infuriates me is I have to put my life on the line because we have so many 17ing imbeciles in this country out partying for spring break. We are about to witness something that will never be forgotten. Hope I'm wrong but from what I heard today I seriously doubt it.

Yep. I think we missed our window. We are just going to be riding this out at this point.

[hacker]

I don't discount your concern. But we are not Italy and panic does no one good.

I'm fine, just pointing out facts. It probably does come off as panic to someone who's in denial.

[Political Hack]

As a govt 1st responder we had a conference call today this is expected to blow up in ten to fourteen days. The govt is expecting to put up thousands of medical tents across the country for overflow containment hospitals. What infuriates me is I have to put my life on the line because we have so many 17ing imbeciles in this country out partying for spring break. We are about to witness something that will never be forgotten. Hope I'm wrong but from what I heard today I seriously doubt it.

Thank you for the work you do! People don't appreciate first responders like they should in this country. I think that, and a lot of other things, are about to change forever.

[Dawgcap]

My attitude has changed dramatically since last week on this. I felt it was overblown. But see the problem is we expect strong and tough decisions but yet we have no one strongly calming the masses on the financial side and sustenance side. See if you have a quarantine you need to lose the political bullshit by many and present a strong message of unity. You will never bring a country together with factions looking to better themselves financially or politically. I?m an industry that will keep working to keep supply chains rolling but if the message presented doesn?t calm the masses then the supply chain will weaken and then all the bad no one wants will come.

[Dawgcap]

This is aimed more at the politicians and media members who are pushing their agenda over what is for the better good of a country. I can?t believe some shit on the teens who partied at spring break when no one has done anything but spew the far right or far left. Maybe they get just enough news that they are sick of it and don?t know what facts are anymore

[RocketDawg]

Two members of Congress are reported as testing positive now.

[chef dixon]

Two members of Congress are reported as testing positive now.

I think all the famous names you are hearing test positive is an indicator that a loooooot more people already have this thing than we think and know. The threshold for someone like Kevin Durant or a member of congress getting tested is much lower than you or I showing up at an emergency room, and they are still turning up positive.

[Dawgcap]

I think all the famous names you are hearing test positive is an indicator that a loooooot more people already have this thing than we think and know. The threshold for someone like Kevin Durant or a member of congress getting tested is much lower than you or I showing up at an emergency room, and they are still turning up positive.

And here is where the disconnect prpably is for many, the famous names have mainly came out and said they had no real issues with it.

[RocketDawg]

I think all the famous names you are hearing test positive is an indicator that a loooooot more people already have this thing than we think and know. The threshold for someone like Kevin Durant or a member of congress getting tested is much lower than you or I showing up at an emergency room, and they are still turning up positive.

Correct. And I wonder about President Trump and all the medical experts for the daily press conferences standing virtually shoulder-to-shoulder.

And I wonder about the reporters sitting close together. Sure, they check their temperature before entering, but that doesn't seem enough to me.

[BulldogDX55]

And here is where the disconnect prpably is for many, the famous names have mainly came out and said they had no real issues with it.

It doesn't hit everyone, especially those in good health, particularly hard. However, the Imperial College Model, which is the projection that allegedly finally changed Trump's mind, has a worst case scenario of an 80% infection rate nation wide with a .9% fatality rate, which doesn't sound super scary until you realize that due to the age skewing, that means that between 4 and 8% of all people over the age of 70 would die.

That's a lot of grandparents - approximately 2.2 million of them.

With all of the people resisting precautions right now, the likely result will be closer to that than the low end one. You'll know by the middle of next week. At that point we will be at about the level Italy was at when they instituted the nationwide quarantine.

[FriarsPoint]

Haven’t seen this mentioned. Clinical trials in France and S Korea also. Hydroxychloroquine, malaria drug. Been around for 50 years.
https://mobile.twitter.com/riganoesq?lang=en

[Dawgcap]

It doesn't hit everyone, especially those in good health, particularly hard. However, the Imperial College Model, which is the projection that allegedly finally changed Trump's mind, has a worst case scenario of an 80% infection rate nation wide with a .9% fatality rate, which doesn't sound super scary until you realize that due to the age skewing, that means that between 4 and 8% of all people over the age of 70 would die.

That's a lot of grandparents - approximately 2.2 million of them.

With all of the people resisting precautions right now, the likely result will be closer to that than the low end one. You'll know by the middle of next week. At that point we will be at about the level Italy was at when they instituted the nationwide quarantine.
Man I?m not trying to argue. I agree. But at some point how do you expect 18-25 yr olds to be scared when we have such a wide realm of opinions and we have others talking noise from both sides while probably benefiting financially. And make know mistake people are benefiting from both sides politically and financially. Then the famous people show no ill effects. I don?t know the answer but the issue is because we have actually have many talking their points from multiple sides all to a benefit we will pay for.

[hacker]

Haven’t seen this mentioned. Clinical trials in France and S Korea also. Hydroxychloroquine, malaria drug. Been around for 50 years.
https://mobile.twitter.com/riganoesq?lang=en

I saw this. It sounds promising, but some people on reddit were saying the science was flawed/biased.

[Maverick]

Without government intervention right now hospitals, airlines, banks, the service industry, etc... would all fail during this pandemic. 100's of millions of people would lose jobs. We have to have some level of regulation to protect the integrity of the system. That's what some people refuse to acknowledge despite it being an absolute truth. And this pandemic is proving that to once again be 1000% accurate.

I agree, I think what I said got lost in there. I'm not saying we don't need the government to step in, I'm saying once they did and made a decision to let the private sector help in producing these tests and PPE's and stuff is smart. It seems pretty obvious the cdc way was taking way too long.

[FriarsPoint]

I saw this. It sounds promising, but some people on reddit were saying the science was flawed/biased.

We’ll see. My pharmacist neighbor says the world supply is already gone. Majority is manufactured in India with 97% of precursors need to make the drug coming from China. Availability of open ports becomes an issue.

[Maverick]

I think the Governments are doing a good job doing what they can. State and Federal. They started too slow, and that's hurt. But I think they're figuring it out now and trying to be as proactive as possible. However - the people totally SUCK at doing their part. The Government can only do so much, and at some point the people have to help. Or we could always declare marshal law I guess.

Agree 100% some people suck but the good is probably getting lost in the bad. The whole Florida thing is crazy and some of the comments just blow my mind, can't believe the parents haven't made the kids get home. I could see some small groups spread out on the beach being ok though. On the other side, growing up if I would've been told to get home and didn't I'd of probably gotten my ass beat til it was so sore I couldn't sit down until the virus was gone anyway haha. It still seems like more and more people are starting to take this seriously though. I guess if they don't we could end up in a spot where they are forced to.

[starkvegasdawg]

We’ll see. My pharmacist neighbor says the world supply is already gone. Majority is manufactured in India with 97% of precursors need to make the drug coming from China. Availability of open ports becomes an issue.

If nothing else comes of this we have got to start manufacturing our own 17ing medicine. We can't have our medicines and precursors coming from third world counties or countries which would love nothing more than most of us to die off. The fact we ever got in this shape should be criminal.

[FriarsPoint]

If nothing else comes of this we have got to start manufacturing our own 17ing medicine. We can't have our medicines and precursors coming from third world counties or countries which would love nothing more than most of us to die off. The fact we ever got in this shape should be criminal.

Thank our business and political leaders for that. I didn’t like nafta in 92 and sure as hell didn’t like China getting in wto in 2000.

[Todd4State]

As a govt 1st responder we had a conference call today this is expected to blow up in ten to fourteen days. The govt is expecting to put up thousands of medical tents across the country for overflow containment hospitals. What infuriates me is I have to put my life on the line because we have so many 17ing imbeciles in this country out partying for spring break. We are about to witness something that will never be forgotten. Hope I'm wrong but from what I heard today I seriously doubt it.

It's inevitably going to get worse because the positive test results will be back in 10-14 days. So yes, it's definitely going to happen. My hope is that we start seeing improvement in about 3-4 weeks and yes that is optimistic.

[hacker]

If anyone out there is still comparing it to the flu, when is the last time you saw the flu kill 3 members of the same family at the same time?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/nyregion/new-jersey-family-coronavirus.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/health/new-jersey-coronavirus-family-members-killed/index.html

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[Dawgfan77]

If anyone out there is still comparing it to the flu, when is the last time you saw the flu kill 3 members of the same family at the same time?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/nyregion/new-jersey-family-coronavirus.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/health/new-jersey-coronavirus-family-members-killed/index.html

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Very sad indeed

There is a lot of buzz going on that two drugs currently approved by FDA have had positive results in killing the virus in infected people. Look for more information to follow today.

Also China reporting no new cases in Wahan

So their is some positive things happening

[msstate7]

This may be good news for the southern US... temp and humidity reduce spread according to this:

https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/new-study-says-high-temperature-and-high-relative-humidity-significantly-reduce-spread-of-covid-19/703418?utm_campaign=AccuWeather&utm_content&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook

ETA... and of course, gonna cool off this weekend haha

[PMDawg]

This may be good news for the southern US... temp and humidity reduce spread according to this:

https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/new-study-says-high-temperature-and-high-relative-humidity-significantly-reduce-spread-of-covid-19/703418?utm_campaign=AccuWeather&utm_content&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook

ETA... and of course, gonna cool off this weekend haha

Mid next week it heats up really good down south though. Fingers crossed.

[PMDawg]

This is aimed more at the politicians and media members who are pushing their agenda over what is for the better good of a country. I can?t believe some shit on the teens who partied at spring break when no one has done anything but spew the far right or far left. Maybe they get just enough news that they are sick of it and don?t know what facts are anymore

The United States media is a real problem. Not the left-leaning, not the right-leaning but ALL. The fact that we all know which media outlets lean (and that's being kind) in which direction is a massive problem. The media should be neutral and just report the facts. But, since they don't actually do their job, not a lot of people trust the media. You have multiple versions of every single story that ever comes out, so it results in confusion, mistrust, division, and extreme ideological leanings. I hope this is a wake-up call for all of our media outlets to get out of politics and get back into just reporting the news. But I'm not holding my breath. I'm assuming it will get that way for COVID-19 stories (we're already starting to see that), but once this is done it will go back to "business as usual". We, as a society, have to demand more from our media.

[Political Hack]

I agree, I think what I said got lost in there. I'm not saying we don't need the government to step in, I'm saying once they did and made a decision to let the private sector help in producing these tests and PPE's and stuff is smart. It seems pretty obvious the cdc way was taking way too long.

Gotcha. Yeah, I was really proud of the sports industry for leading the way with cancelling group events before people really understood how serious this is. I think the private sector has been tremendous so far. I hope fatigue doesn't set in. This is going to be a marathon.

[Political Hack]

The United States media is a real problem. Not the left-leaning, not the right-leaning but ALL. The fact that we all know which media outlets lean (and that's being kind) in which direction is a massive problem. The media should be neutral and just report the facts. But, since they don't actually do their job, not a lot of people trust the media. You have multiple versions of every single story that ever comes out, so it results in confusion, mistrust, division, and extreme ideological leanings. I hope this is a wake-up call for all of our media outlets to get out of politics and get back into just reporting the news. But I'm not holding my breath. I'm assuming it will get that way for COVID-19 stories (we're already starting to see that), but once this is done it will go back to "business as usual". We, as a society, have to demand more from our media.

There's only two that clearly lean. The others are accused of leaning but in my opinion are much closer to the middle of the country than most realize. I don't think people in Mississippi account for how far right they are nationally. What may appear to be "liberal" to some is just "not a super, far right ideal" to others. It's all perspective and everyone having a voice has confused people. Many blame the media. I personally think social media is more to blame.

[Dawgology]

Gotcha. Yeah, I was really proud of the sports industry for leading the way with cancelling group events before people really understood how serious this is. I think the private sector has been tremendous so far. I hope fatigue doesn't set in. This is going to be a marathon.

This is what I hope as well. I've already seen a couple people make statements along the line of they are tired of hearing about it and/or they are "so over" all of this. This is just the calm before the storm. We arent' even in it yet.

[BeardoMSU]

There's only two that clearly lean. The others are accused of leaning but in my opinion are much closer to the middle of the country than most realize. I don't think people in Mississippi account for how far right they are nationally. What may appear to be "liberal" to some is just "not a super, far right ideal" to others. It's all perspective and everyone having a voice has confused people. Many blame the media. I personally think social media is more to blame.

Agree with your post, but especially this.^^

[BeardoMSU]

'Merica, y'all**


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkYRI48bXRw

Seriously, though....these retards don't even realize how bad they are ****ing everyone.

[BrunswickDawg]

There's only two that clearly lean. The others are accused of leaning but in my opinion are much closer to the middle of the country than most realize. I don't think people in Mississippi account for how far right they are nationally. What may appear to be "liberal" to some is just "not a super, far right ideal" to others. It's all perspective and everyone having a voice has confused people. Many blame the media. I personally think social media is more to blame.

That, and anyone with a podcast or a camera can call themselves "media" today. Whether it is Daily Caller or Daily Beast - we have to get better ourselves about not patronizing media that is pushing the extremes. Quit buying into sensationalism.
We have the greatest access to information in the history of mankind and we choose to get that information from Shawn Hannity and Rachel Maddow. It's unreal.

[deadheaddawg]

There's only two that clearly lean. The others are accused of leaning but in my opinion are much closer to the middle of the country than most realize. I don't think people in Mississippi account for how far right they are nationally. What may appear to be "liberal" to some is just "not a super, far right ideal" to others. It's all perspective and everyone having a voice has confused people. Many blame the media. I personally think social media is more to blame.

Great post

[Dawg2003]

A lot of the media is basically just a television show. They are biased towards ratings instead of actually informing the public, so they push whatever story gets them ratings.

[hacker]

16 new cases in Mississippi today. A lot are showing up on the coast / Pearl River County.

[PMDawg]

There's only two that clearly lean. The others are accused of leaning but in my opinion are much closer to the middle of the country than most realize. I don't think people in Mississippi account for how far right they are nationally. What may appear to be "liberal" to some is just "not a super, far right ideal" to others. It's all perspective and everyone having a voice has confused people. Many blame the media. I personally think social media is more to blame.

LOL @ "There's only two that clearly lean."

Agree with "Many blame the media. I personally think social media is more to blame."

[Dawgology]

'Merica, y'all**


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkYRI48bXRw

Seriously, though....these retards don't even realize how bad they are ****ing everyone.

Aaaahhhh, natural selection at it's finest. Witness the small steps evolution is taking the create a smarter next generation.

[BeardoMSU]

Aaaahhhh, natural selection at it's finest. Witness the small steps evolution is taking the create a smarter next generation.

Sadly, that same natural selection is going to cost those kids their older generation, too....

[Dawgology]

Sadly, that same natural selection is going to cost those kids their older generation, too....

This is also true

[BeardoMSU]

This is also true

That kid with with the peach-fuzz mustache smoking a vape has a very punchable face...

[hacker]

Passed 10,000 cases in US

[PMDawg]

16 new cases in Mississippi today. A lot are showing up on the coast / Pearl River County.

Where did you find that?

Nevermind I see it on worldometer. I can't find it in Mississippi media sites though.

[msstate7]

16 new cases in Mississippi today. A lot are showing up on the coast / Pearl River County.

I work with someone who has been tested. It was Sunday night, and he still hasn't gotten test results back. These you're speaking of where probably tested last week

[hacker]

I work with someone who has been tested. It was Sunday night, and he still hasn't gotten test results back. These you're speaking of where probably tested last week

Yep. This is a major part of the problem. We need faster tests. And we need more tests. We need to test everybody.

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[MadDawg]

There's only two that clearly lean. The others are accused of leaning but in my opinion are much closer to the middle of the country than most realize. I don't think people in Mississippi account for how far right they are nationally. What may appear to be "liberal" to some is just "not a super, far right ideal" to others. It's all perspective and everyone having a voice has confused people. Many blame the media. I personally think social media is more to blame.

Perfect example of the greater point. It's not me it's the other side.