The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[hacker]

There's a Social Distancing Scoreboard available now that uses GPS data to figure out how well we're social distancing by state and county:

https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard

Not surprisingly, Mississippi gets a D-

[starkvegasdawg]

The way we are doing this is so dumb. We need to be performing mass screenings of people. That way, we can just isolate those people for 2 weeks, and we can slowly return to work soon. Screen everyone in nursing homes, grocery store workers, ect. All of the high risk people. When they come up positive, take them out of circulation, so they don't become super spreaders. That's basically what South Korea did, and they are opening back up. We are just sitting around at home with no end in site.

How often do we screen people? I could be exposed, test negative, and then be positive tomorrow.

[Cooterpoot]

136 new cases and 2 new deaths in MS.

That's a total of 1073 cases and 22 deaths. Mortality rate for MS is 2%.

Again, that's not the mortality rate. That's only of those lucky enough to get a test and actually be reported. The criteria for testing prevents a true mortality rate.

[msstate7]

There's a Social Distancing Scoreboard available now that uses GPS data to figure out how well we're social distancing by state and county:

https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard

Not surprisingly, Mississippi gets a D-

Did they get consent to track people's cell phones?

[Cooterpoot]

The four hospitals I deal with in central MS thought this week would be a huge week numbers wise for their facilities. They've been surprised by the low numbers to this point.

[hacker]

Did they get consent to track people's cell phones?

They just buy it from your telephone provider

[Joebob]

The way we are doing this is so dumb. We need to be performing mass screenings of people. That way, we can just isolate those people for 2 weeks, and we can slowly return to work soon. Screen everyone in nursing homes, grocery store workers, ect. All of the high risk people. When they come up positive, take them out of circulation, so they don't become super spreaders. That's basically what South Korea did, and they are opening back up. We are just sitting around at home with no end in site.

That might have worked at the very beginning, but there were way too few kits. It’s too late to try that approach now. Also, S. Korea was much more transparent with sharing their test results with the general public. The local, state, and federal governments in the U.S. still haven’t figured out how important that is. Hell, here in Dallas, they didn’t even publicize that a restaurant worker had tested positive, so they had no way to notify some of the customers that they might have been exposed.

[SheltonChoked]

Yep, apparently the US could possibly have 1.5 million deaths from this as worst case scenario. Somehow, with our healthcare system and resources we are going to be 100x worse off than any other country in the world and about 20x's worse the entire rest of the world combined.

The healthcare system is not at fault here. No one would, or could, afford to keep up a healthcare system that had enough ICU beds, ventilators and healthcare workers to treat 2% of the population over a couple of months.

Our slow response, Dumbass politicians saying Old people want to die (thanks TX Lt Governor), and "ain't nobody gonna tell me what to do" attitude kept it spreading for weeks longer than anyone else so far.

18 states, including Florida, have not announced lockdowns to prevent the spread...

The ONLY country proven to have contained the outbreak so far is South Korea. They tested ~0.7% of their population, and did strict isolation of those infected and quarantine of those in contact with anyone infected. And it still took a month, and a spread to ~10,000 cases to turn the tide...

For the US to test that many people, is 2.5 million tests. They started this testing when they had 30 cases. We have almost 200,000, and have not begun anything close to that level of containment. And Therefore need to test closer to 10% of the population to track and trace. That's ~36 million tests, or 36x what we have done so far.... We have ramped up, so far to ~100,000 tests per day.... Having a blood antibody test will help speed this up.


This is what our month delay cost us.

[Johnson85]

Did they get consent to track people's cell phones?

Good one.

[yjnkdawg]

Delete

[Johnson85]

There's a Social Distancing Scoreboard available now that uses GPS data to figure out how well we're social distancing by state and county:

https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard

Not surprisingly, Mississippi gets a D-

That's cool data, but I'm not sure how helpful it is, especially comparing between states and between rural and urban areas. The people I know are still moving around a lot while still social distancing. As opposed to say a 7 mile round trip commute, they might take several walks a day, including one that involves getting in the car and driving to a non-crowded place that is better for walking. Or they might ride their bikes for a ten mile ride, or for people lucky enough, get in boats and ride. That probably all washes out some in the aggregation as there are probably lots of people that are social distancing by sitting on their couch and watching netflix. But not sure how you can compensate for the fact that in rural areas and even suburban areas, you can do a ton of traveling without exposing yourself or anybody else where as in urban cores, you can barely leave the apartment and you are exposing lots more people.

[hacker]

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[chef dixon]

There is a whole lot of trashing the data/projections based on the way it was collected, but at the same time people using the data we have to illustrate how this is overblown. Everyone is looking for a perfect system and projection but its just not possible. What is apparent is the numbers are growing no matter how you twist it.

[Liverpooldawg]

The healthcare system is not at fault here. No one would, or could, afford to keep up a healthcare system that had enough ICU beds, ventilators and healthcare workers to treat 2% of the population over a couple of months.

Our slow response, Dumbass politicians saying Old people want to die (thanks TX Lt Governor), and "ain't nobody gonna tell me what to do" attitude kept it spreading for weeks longer than anyone else so far.

18 states, including Florida, have not announced lockdowns to prevent the spread...

The ONLY country proven to have contained the outbreak so far is South Korea. They tested ~0.7% of their population, and did strict isolation of those infected and quarantine of those in contact with anyone infected. And it still took a month, and a spread to ~10,000 cases to turn the tide...

For the US to test that many people, is 2.5 million tests. They started this testing when they had 30 cases. We have almost 200,000, and have not begun anything close to that level of containment. And Therefore need to test closer to 10% of the population to track and trace. That's ~36 million tests, or 36x what we have done so far.... We have ramped up, so far to ~100,000 tests per day.... Having a blood antibody test will help speed this up.


This is what our month delay cost us.

Some of you still haven't figured out that none of this is to PREVENT the spread of it. Not even the people pushing it are saying that. They still expect the number of people that get it to be about the same no matter what we do. What they are doing is to try to damp down the number that have at any one time.

[Todd4State]

Some of you still haven't figured out that none of this is to PREVENT the spread of it. Not even the people pushing it are saying that. They still expect the number of people that get it to be about the same no matter what we do. What they are doing is to try to damp down the number that have at any one time.

Yep.

[Cooterpoot]

There is a whole lot of trashing the data/projections based on the way it was collected, but at the same time people using the data we have to illustrate how this is overblown. Everyone is looking for a perfect system and projection but its just not possible. What is apparent is the numbers are growing no matter how you twist it.

Data shows hospital admittance in MS has been flat. It's actually down from its peak. And that's the number that really matters.

[Commercecomet24]

Some of you still haven't figured out that none of this is to PREVENT the spread of it. Not even the people pushing it are saying that. They still expect the number of people that get it to be about the same no matter what we do. What they are doing is to try to damp down the number that have at any one time.

Yep, it's gonna run it's course. I talked to a head surgeon at forrest general on sunday and he reiterated this fact.

[starkvegasdawg]

Hot rumor tater tot to hold a 3:30 presser announcing statewide lockdown.

[Commercecomet24]

Data shows hospital admittance in MS has been flat. It's actually down from its peak. And that's the number that really matters.

This, I believe me and Cooter must be talking to some of the same folks.

[SheltonChoked]

A couple of stats I would like to see. How many deaths have had underlying health issues
Also, how many in NY would have survived had they been administered the malaria treatment

If you NEED the "malaria treatment" You are getting the "malaria treatment". But only those that NEED it. AKA THOSE IN A HOSPITAL.

Butto all those that listened to a guy touting it as a cure all that doesn't have a ****ing clue about Medical treatments of infectious diseases, YOU DON'T NEED IT.

[SheltonChoked]

Did they get consent to track people's cell phones?

You agreed to in in the TOS...

Several times in fact.

[SheltonChoked]

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Only a month late....

Coincidentally, after the spring break rush...

[shoeless joe]

We locking down today

[LC Dawg]

Hot rumor tater tot to hold a 3:30 presser announcing statewide lockdown.

Yep. They're working on the announcement. Not sure yet if it takes effect immediately or by the weekend.
It's too late but hopefully not too too late.

[chef dixon]

Data shows hospital admittance in MS has been flat. It's actually down from its peak. And that's the number that really matters.

A big contributor to that is because a lot of your typically softer/social admissions are down because most people are not going to the hospital unless they absolutely have to (and also doctors are leaning towards not admitting some borderline patients to reduce their exposure). But overall, yes that number matters and hopefully there is no upcoming spike as we are seeing in a lot of places around the country.

[SheltonChoked]

Some of you still haven't figured out that none of this is to PREVENT the spread of it. Not even the people pushing it are saying that. They still expect the number of people that get it to be about the same no matter what we do. What they are doing is to try to damp down the number that have at any one time.

My bad, Replace "Prevent" with "Reduce the R0 to close to 1 by reducing the social contact". Silly me for not typing that out....

[hacker]

A big contributor to that is because a lot of your typically softer/social admissions are down because most people are not going to the hospital unless they absolutely have to (and also doctors are leaning towards not admitting some borderline patients to reduce their exposure). But overall, yes that number matters and hopefully there is no upcoming spike as we are seeing in a lot of places around the country.

To add: just as the US was tracking behind Italy around 10-12 days, MS is tracking behind other places in the US. Maybe it'll never get that bad here, but we're still very early in this.

[Commercecomet24]

I'm sure most of y'all are already doing this. A big part of my business is medical alert systems and the vast majority are senior citizens. For the last 2 weeks we've been calling our seniors and the most vulnverable to let them know we are here for them. Most are shut in and live alone. Because of this outbreak they are only seeing their families through the doors of their homes, as they drop off supplies for them. They need contact with someone from the outside world on occasion during this outbreak. Y'all call your parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, anyone you can think of that's alone and shut in, if it's just to say "Hi". They will appreciate it, I can promise you!

[Jarius]

Can anyone tell me what is different about the stay at home order from what we have been doing? I was under the impression that everything nonessential has been shut down for weeks. I mean most people aren't at work.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Can anyone tell me what is different about the stay at home order from what we have been doing? I was under the impression that everything nonessential has been shut down for weeks. I mean most people aren't at work.

From what I've understood the difference is that there were no travel restrictions, they advised to stay at home as much as possible but nothing was enforced. I understand that this is basically you have to stay at home unless you're going to the grocery store or the bank or something of that nature. I could be completely wrong but that's how I understand it would work.

[Commercecomet24]

Can anyone tell me what is different about the stay at home order from what we have been doing? I was under the impression that everything nonessential has been shut down for weeks. I mean most people aren't at work.

That's what I've been wondering. Here in Jones County we've already been doing what's apparently coming down this afternoon. The only difference I guess is this allows law enforcement to detain someone if they're where they're not supposed to be. I mean non essential businesses are already closed here, schools are closed, restaraunts have been doing take out, drive through or delivery the last 2 weeks, etc.. so I guess it'll just be more of the same for us.

My office is in a complex with several businesses, including a tattoo shop and a salon, they've both been closed for the last week.

[hacker]

FWIW, a friend who works at an essential business in Lauderdale County told me that there's noticeably less people in there today since the shelter in place order started. Before today, it was business as usual. I guess the difference is that people may actually listen.

[Commercecomet24]

FWIW, a friend who works at an essential business in Lauderdale County told me that there's noticeably less people in there today since the shelter in place order started. Before today, it was business as usual. I guess the difference is that people may actually listen.

Jones County been a ghost town for the last week and half.

Maybe some places listen better than others lol.

[BrunswickDawg]

Georgia just ordered to shelter in place statewide

[Jarius]

From what I've understood the difference is that there were no travel restrictions, they advised to stay at home as much as possible but nothing was enforced. I understand that this is basically you have to stay at home unless you're going to the grocery store or the bank or something of that nature. I could be completely wrong but that's how I understand it would work.

Yea I mean I'm not sure where anyone would go right now anyway? Everything that's not essential is closed that I can see around Madison, although I admittedly don't go anywhere other than work, the gas station, or the grocery store. I don't see this being a big deal considering there's nothing open to the public currently anyway. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Commercecomet24]

Yea I mean I'm not sure where anyone would go right now anyway? Everything that's not essential is closed that I can see around Madison, although I admittedly don't go anywhere other than work, the gas station, or the grocery store. I don't see this being a big deal considering there's nothing open to the public currently anyway. Maybe I'm wrong.

Yeah there's really nothing else open. To work, grocery maybe once a week, and the gas station. I do take my son out to the baseball field and we hit and throw but it's just me and him. Nothings open in the mall, restaraunts are not doing dine in and bars aint open, no sports being played, churches closed, so it's really just more of what we been doing the last 2 weeks.

[DownwardDawg]

Liquor stores and pawn shops are still open.

[MetEdDawg]

We shut down non essential businesses here in Alabama, but no shelter in place yet. We passed the 1,000 case mark today as well.

[Cooterpoot]

A big contributor to that is because a lot of your typically softer/social admissions are down because most people are not going to the hospital unless they absolutely have to (and also doctors are leaning towards not admitting some borderline patients to reduce their exposure). But overall, yes that number matters and hopefully there is no upcoming spike as we are seeing in a lot of places around the country.

Agree. MS has been solid. People here look after each other. It's obvious we've followed the guidelines pretty well. If we don't spike this week, we're in a good place to prepare for one the next couple weeks.

[dparker]

A lot of this has been discussed in one form or another but this article compares the different death rates in different countries including age, testing, and reporting differences.

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/1/21203198/coronavirus-deaths-us-italy-china-south-korea

[BeardoMSU]

Agree. MS has been solid. People here look after each other. It's obvious we've followed the guidelines pretty well. If we don't spike this week, we're in a good place to prepare for one the next couple weeks.

I don't think we know that yet....but I hope you're right.

[deadheaddawg]

The good news is we are going to win this war on drugs and cocaine

[Cooterpoot]

I don't think we know that yet....but I hope you're right.

We're absolutely "ahead of the curve" because we've still got a ton of hospital availability. As I mentioned before, the hospitals I deal with thought they would be overrun this week with a huge spike, but numbers are actually down still. The nursing homes are getting hit, so numbers overall will go up, but most of those won't change hospital capacity. And that's what this is all about. If the general public doesn't blow up the next 17 days, we should be good.
I'm an extremely at risk person, so I'm counting down those days.

[Cooterpoot]

The good news is we are going to win this war on drugs and cocaine

If weed was legal, more people would stay home.

[deadheaddawg]

If weed was legal, more people would stay home.
Probably.

I must say I am quite confused. I flipped over to watch the trump/coronavirus task force presser live. I missed the fist few minutes, but they spent 15 or so minutes talking about the cartels and war on drugs.

[shoeless joe]

Probably.

I must say I am quite confused. I flipped over to watch the trump/coronavirus task force presser live. I missed the fist few minutes, but they spent 15 or so minutes talking about the cartels and war on drugs.

I didn’t see it but if it’s like usual he got off on a tangent and found a way to pat himself on the back in the process. Trump is not good at speaking...however, I feel like fauci is and birx does a REALLY good job of explaining the important things that people need to know.

[BeardoMSU]

Probably.

I must say I am quite confused. I flipped over to watch the trump/coronavirus task force presser live. I missed the fist few minutes, but they spent 15 or so minutes talking about the cartels and war on drugs.

Yeah, it's an odd moment to unveil this. Apparently it will "help with the virus", too, so I guess "we'll see".

[BeardoMSU]

I didn’t see it but if it’s like usual he got off on a tangent and found a way to pat himself on the back in the process. Trump is not good at speaking...however, I feel like fauci is and birx does a REALLY good job of explaining the important things that people need to know.

I'm glad Fauci and Birx have stuck around/not been let go.

[Jack Lambert]

I didn’t see it but if it’s like usual he got off on a tangent and found a way to pat himself on the back in the process. Trump is not good at speaking...however, I feel like fauci is and birx does a REALLY good job of explaining the important things that people need to know.

I can relate to him. He seems more human and not a polish politician. I like that.

[Jack Lambert]

I went to get some chops to grill and the stores have gone made. Mississippians are in full panic mode.

[yjnkdawg]

I'm glad Fauci and Birx have stuck around/not been let go.


From what I have seen, I think Dr. Birx is the most knowledgeable and has the best demeanor on communicating with the media and the general public, concerning a situation such as this (JMO). She also seems to deliver not so good news or expectations better than some others do. I have seen her on numerous interviews and am very impressed.

[yjnkdawg]

I went to get some chops to grill and the stores have gone made. Mississippians are in full panic mode.





I figured that. I have a first time ever Kroger delivery order scheduled for Friday between 9 and 10 AM. We will see how that goes.

[hacker]

I went to get some chops to grill and the stores have gone made. Mississippians are in full panic mode.

Yeah, the Kroger parking lot here is completely full.

[Dawgology]

Yeah, the Kroger parking lot here is completely full.

People are so dumb

[Dawgology]

If weed was legal, more people would stay home.

I hear it cures the Corona!**

[Cowbell]

The good news is we are going to win this war on drugs and cocaine

There's a legitimate reason for what they are doing - the amount of drug mules crossing the border daily is a big concern to the border states in controlling this disease. I manage about 8 miles of the border for other purposes so know first-hand about this.

[Cowbell]

Also, you guys will realize that shelter in place and lockdown will not affect 90% of daily activities and jobs. It's borderline pointless.

[BeardoMSU]

It's borderline pointless.

Wrong.

[Joebob]

Also, you guys will realize that shelter in place and lockdown will not affect 90% of daily activities and jobs. It's borderline pointless.

It seems that way here in Dallas too, until I think about all the restaurants, nail shops, and barbers that are shut down.

[Cowbell]

I'm speaking from experience. Atleast that's the case here. So it's not wrong.

[Cowbell]

It seems that way here in Dallas too, until I think about all the restaurants, nail shops, and barbers that are shut down.

I'm an hour north of you.

[Cowbell]

Wrong.

I'm speaking from experience. Atleast that's the case here. So it's not wrong

[Cooterpoot]

I hear it cures the Corona!**

Then I just ate the cure. I'm good.

[starkvegasdawg]

I just read a list of essential businesses in MS. After I finished I honestly wondered what was non-essential.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wlox.com/2020/03/25/list-all-businesses-operations-that-are-considered-essential-mississippi/%3foutputType=amp

[hacker]

Spare me the stuff about the numbers being wrong blah blah




Country Death Rate

United States 2.35%
Italy 11.92%
Spain 9.07%
Germany 1.18%
France 7.08%
United Kingdom 7.98%


US was 1.3% a week ago
Italy was 6.9% 3 weeks ago
Spain was 4% 3 weeks ago
Germany was 0.5% a week ago
France and UK were 3-4% a couple weeks ago

[msstate7]

Spare me the stuff about the numbers being wrong blah blah




Country Death Rate

United States 2.35%
Italy 11.92%
Spain 9.07%
Germany 1.18%
France 7.08%
United Kingdom 7.98%


US was 1.3% a week ago
Italy was 6.9% 3 weeks ago
Spain was 4% 3 weeks ago
Germany was 0.5% a week ago
France and UK were 3-4% a couple weeks ago

Wait, so you think every case of covid19 is recorded?

[hacker]

Wait, so you think every case of covid19 is recorded?

Obviously not. But the death rate in all countries is increasing and it's totally fair to compare a country to where they were a week or two ago.

[msstate7]

Obviously not. But the death rate in all countries is increasing and it's totally fair to compare a country to where they were a week or two ago.

https://yournews.com/2020/03/27/1532786/dr-fauci-concedes-coronavirus-death-rate-like-very-bad-flu/

[chef dixon]

Wait, so you think every case of covid19 is recorded?

You keep searching for perfection in this and you're not going to find it.

[hacker]

https://yournews.com/2020/03/27/1532786/dr-fauci-concedes-coronavirus-death-rate-like-very-bad-flu/

You have to look at the current death rate numbers as "chance of dying when you're sick enough to get tested"

Sure the actual rate will be much lower considering asymptomatic cases. And yes, Dr. Fauci said it's probably less than 1% overall. But I think he had a poor choice of words in that paper. Even a 4% death rate is "closer to the flu" than it is to the 10% from SARS.

But if you're actually showing symptoms from this disease, the death rate is closer to SARS in some places. (And they're all increasing)

[msstate7]

You keep searching for perfection in this and you're not going to find it.

My opinion is the documented cases are waaaaaay off, so the death rate is waaaay off. Hell, if you used only the documented cases of the flu, the death rate for the flu would be much, much higher. The CDC estimates how many have/had the flu to calculate death rate. The CDC estimates that between oct 1, 2019, and March 21, 2020, there have been 38-54 million cases of the flu. Now covid19 is supposedly twice as contagious, and there's no vaccine... now considering this, you telling me there have been only 961000 cases?

ETA... I realize corona is more deadly than the flu.

[msstate7]

My opinion is the documented cases are waaaaaay off, so the death rate is waaaay off. Hell, if you used only the documented cases of the flu, the death rate for the flu would be much, much higher. The CDC estimates how many have/had the flu to calculate death rate. The CDC estimates that between oct 1, 2019, and March 21, 2020, there have been 38-54 million cases of the flu. Now covid19 is supposedly twice as contagious, and there's no vaccine... now considering this, you telling me there have been only 961000 cases?

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

[hacker]

My opinion is the documented cases are waaaaaay off, so the death rate is waaaay off. Hell, if you used only the documented cases of the flu, the death rate for the flu would be much, much higher. The CDC estimates how many have/had the flu to calculate death rate. The CDC estimates that between oct 1, 2019, and March 21, 2020, there have been 38-54 million cases of the flu. Now covid19 is supposedly twice as contagious, and there's no vaccine... now considering this, you telling me there have been only 961000 cases?

ETA... I realize corona is more deadly than the flu.

I'd put the max actual cases at like 5 million. Remember, it started from 1 person. It takes a while for that to grow especially considering the longer incubation time.

But it's not like all deaths are getting classified correctly either.

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[confucius say]

I'd put the max actual cases at like 5 million. Remember, it started from 1 person. It takes a while for that to grow especially considering the longer incubation time.

But it's not like all deaths are getting classified correctly either.

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5 million in the U.S.?

[msstate7]

5 million in the U.S.?

Yeah, I'd like him to clarify this too. The CDC flu cases (38-54 million) above is US only

[hacker]

5 million in the U.S.?

Probably max 1 million in the US. For every person sick enough to get a test, there may be 4 out there whose symptoms weren't bad enough to get tested.

Iceland has been randomly testing everyone. They show 50% of positive cases are asymptomatic.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/europe/iceland-testing-coronavirus-intl/index.html

Edit: Assuming the 50% asymptomatic stat holds true, for there to be more than 1 million total cases, there would have to be more than twice as many undetected cases where the person is actually sick and not getting tested. I don't think that's true.

[Johnson85]

You have to look at the current death rate numbers as "chance of dying when you're sick enough to get tested"

Sure the actual rate will be much lower considering asymptomatic cases. And yes, Dr. Fauci said it's probably less than 1% overall. But I think he had a poor choice of words in that paper. Even a 4% death rate is "closer to the flu" than it is to the 10% from SARS.

But if you're actually showing symptoms from this disease, the death rate is closer to SARS in some places. (And they're all increasing)

I think you have to look at the current "death rate numbers" as all over the map and very situation specific. Unless Italy is actively doing something to tested people to make their death rate worse, I don't think it's anywhere near 11% of people sick enough to be tested. No clue what's actually happening; may be that people are so freaked out that they don't go to get tested unless it's bad enough that they need to be hospitalized. Could possibly be that they have some genetic predisposition that makes it particularly deadly, but I'm guessing it's more that the data has become even more unreliable since they've been overwhelmed by it.

[starkvegasdawg]

104 new cases and 4 new deaths in MS last 24 hours.

[Liverpooldawg]

Obviously not. But the death rate in all countries is increasing and it's totally fair to compare a country to where they were a week or two ago.

In most of those countries unless you have severe symptoms that are close to putting you in the hospital you don't get tested, period. It's still pretty much that way here too.

[hacker]

In most of those countries unless you have severe symptoms that are close to putting you in the hospital you don't get tested, period. It's still pretty much that way here too.

I don't think that's true. I think the large majority of tests are negative in all of those countries. Will verify later though.

[Dawg2003]

Apparently, Mississippi has the highest hospitalization rate in the country.

[Cooterpoot]

In MS, you've only been getting tested if you've got like 10 symptoms including a high fever. That's why we've been so high. We've started slowly backing that down, and that rate will drop when we do.

[Dawgology]

If you go to the hospital and visit the burn unit to do a study on how dangerous fire is you would probably come to the assumption that fire is one of the most dangerous things out there and we should not use anything that contains fire. Why? Because out of everyone that was severly burned by fire at leasy 50% are hospitalized and about 10% die. Therefore, fire has a 10% death rate. Now, we know (assume) that thousands of people burn themselves slightly every day (hot skillet, candles, being dumb, etc.) but the vast majority of them don't visit a doctor for it. It's not worth it.

It's much the same way with the Corona Virus. Our denominator in this equation is pre-loaded. This is why the annual mortality rate for the flu is so low because CDC assumes (and rightly so) that 80%-90% of people that have the flu don't actually go to the doctor. If you look at the CDC's seasonal flu numbers from last year (again they are just assuming numbers) then you will see that flu hospitilization carries with it a 7% mortality rate. That's right. 7% mortality rate. Now...when you factor in their assumption that approximately 35.5 million people have the flu every year that mortality rate drops tremendously (to around .5%)

There is a lot of research out there suggesting that the number of corona viruses cases are 10x's greater than reported...conservatively. This number is derived from reported R0 values and reported growth rates of the virus and assuming a Nov. 1 patient zero date. This is the same estimates that the CDC uses to derive annual influenza numbers. This estimation would leave the Corona Virus death rate at approximately .5%.

That's not to say this virus isn't dangerous...it VERY much is. Primarily because there is no herd immunity or vaccine yet. It will spread quickly until herd immunity is achieved and then it will go away for a year or two until it mutates sufficiently to bypass the antibodies it produced initially. Hopefully there is a vaccine by then.

[msstate7]

Anyone feel like fact checking this?

https://i.postimg.cc/3xDtZ7hH/33-BD1-AB7-6841-4-AB6-ACB9-0450-B66-BC537.jpg (https://postimg.cc/nXpKHyMd)

Saw it on Facebook, so you know...

[Todd4State]

Anyone feel like fact checking this?

https://i.postimg.cc/3xDtZ7hH/33-BD1-AB7-6841-4-AB6-ACB9-0450-B66-BC537.jpg (https://postimg.cc/nXpKHyMd)

Saw it on Facebook, so you know...

China numbers sold separately.**

[Commercecomet24]

China numbers sold separately.**

Rep given!

[hacker]

Louisiana 2700 new cases since yesterday

[confucius say]

Probably max 1 million in the US. For every person sick enough to get a test, there may be 4 out there whose symptoms weren't bad enough to get tested.

Iceland has been randomly testing everyone. They show 50% of positive cases are asymptomatic.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/europe/iceland-testing-coronavirus-intl/index.html

Edit: Assuming the 50% asymptomatic stat holds true, for there to be more than 1 million total cases, there would have to be more than twice as many undetected cases where the person is actually sick and not getting tested. I don't think that's true.

Your first paragraph accounts for those sick enough to get a test and, 4 times that number, those who have symptoms but not bad enough to get tested. It doesn't at all account for those who have gotten the virus but have no symptoms, which we know is a large number.

I think if everybody in America were tested, all 330 million, there would be way, way more than 1 million who test positive or who have had the virus already. Probably 1 million just in New York.

[Dawgology]

Louisiana 2700 new cases since yesterday

Currently Louisiana has approximately 7,000 positive infected (out of 46,000 tests). Based on R0 values and spread rates (based on almost a dozen different studies across the world) they actually should have about 70,000 currently infected individuals across the state that are asymptomatic or symptomatic.

[hacker]

Your first paragraph accounts for those sick enough to get a test and, 4 times that number, those who have symptoms but not bad enough to get tested. It doesn't at all account for those who have gotten the virus but have no symptoms, which we know is a large number.


I think I covered asymptomatic people in the rest of the post. Either way, it's just my most educated guess

[Dawgology]

Your first paragraph accounts for those sick enough to get a test and, 4 times that number, those who have symptoms but not bad enough to get tested. It doesn't at all account for those who have gotten the virus but have no symptoms, which we know is a large number.

I think if everybody in America were tested, all 330 million, there would be way, way more than 1 million who test positive or who have had the virus already. Probably 1 million just in New York.

Again, based on reported R0 value and spread rates then all American's should have had it by now...19 times a piece...assuming the virus entered the US with one person on January 1, 2020. So this means that either: multiple studies on R0 values and growth rates are incorrect, we are doing DAMN good as a country at social distancing, or this virus produces severe symptoms in only a small fraction of the total population that it is introduced to. These are very literally the only logical conclusions.

[Lord McBuckethead]

GA governor just yesterday said he learned Tuesday that the virus can be spread prior to someone demonstrating symptoms.....like no 17n shit man. That has been established 17n fact by even the cdc since the first God damn week of February. What the hell man.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Again, based on reported R0 value and spread rates then all American's should have had it by now...19 times a piece...assuming the virus entered the US with one person on January 1, 2020. So this means that either: multiple studies on R0 values and growth rates are incorrect, we are doing DAMN good as a country at social distancing, or this virus produces severe symptoms in only a small fraction of the total population that it is introduced to. These are very literally the only logical conclusions.

I agree. I think social distancing is slowing it down greatly versus doing nothing. Just imagine if we were still holding concerts, movies, and sporting events. We would be at 20 million cases if not more right now.

[Commercecomet24]

If you go to the hospital and visit the burn unit to do a study on how dangerous fire is you would probably come to the assumption that fire is one of the most dangerous things out there and we should not use anything that contains fire. Why? Because out of everyone that was severly burned by fire at leasy 50% are hospitalized and about 10% die. Therefore, fire has a 10% death rate. Now, we know (assume) that thousands of people burn themselves slightly every day (hot skillet, candles, being dumb, etc.) but the vast majority of them don't visit a doctor for it. It's not worth it.

It's much the same way with the Corona Virus. Our denominator in this equation is pre-loaded. This is why the annual mortality rate for the flu is so low because CDC assumes (and rightly so) that 80%-90% of people that have the flu don't actually go to the doctor. If you look at the CDC's seasonal flu numbers from last year (again they are just assuming numbers) then you will see that flu hospitilization carries with it a 7% mortality rate. That's right. 7% mortality rate. Now...when you factor in their assumption that approximately 35.5 million people have the flu every year that mortality rate drops tremendously (to around .5%)

There is a lot of research out there suggesting that the number of corona viruses cases are 10x's greater than reported...conservatively. This number is derived from reported R0 values and reported growth rates of the virus and assuming a Nov. 1 patient zero date. This is the same estimates that the CDC uses to derive annual influenza numbers. This estimation would leave the Corona Virus death rate at approximately .5%.

That's not to say this virus isn't dangerous...it VERY much is. Primarily because there is no herd immunity or vaccine yet. It will spread quickly until herd immunity is achieved and then it will go away for a year or two until it mutates sufficiently to bypass the antibodies it produced initially. Hopefully there is a vaccine by then.

This guy gets it. Well said and something I've heard echoed over the last 2 weeks by doctors and healthcare officials that I do business with.

[Dawgology]

I agree. I think social distancing is slowing it down greatly versus doing nothing. Just imagine if we were still holding concerts, movies, and sporting events. We would be at 20 million cases if not more right now.

Honestly we are probably close to that already it's just that the majority are mild or asymptomatic. If the R0 values and spread rate it correct and we were still having concerts, etc then it would probably closer to 50% of the population at this point.

[Dawgology]

This guy gets it. Well said and something I've heard echoed over the last 2 weeks by doctors and healthcare officials that I do business with.

It's important to note that you are starting to hear health care officials hedge their assumptions when saying big numbers here recently. Again, it's still a very dangerous virus. Think about this. If the seasonal flue kills roughly 60,000 in the US every year and then you drop this on top of the US you are doubling or tripling deaths related to viruses/flus in one year. That is a lot of AVOIDABLE deaths. We need to maintain the social distancing, quarnatine, and shelter in place methods until AT LEAST the end of April.

[Commercecomet24]

It's important to note that you are starting to hear health care officials hedge their assumptions when saying big numbers here recently. Again, it's still a very dangerous virus. Think about this. If the seasonal flue kills roughly 60,000 in the US every year and then you drop this on top of the US you are doubling or tripling deaths related to viruses/flus in one year. That is a lot of AVOIDABLE deaths. We need to maintain the social distancing, quarnatine, and shelter in place methods until AT LEAST the end of April.

Agree completely.

[fishwater99]

Anyone feel like fact checking this?

https://i.postimg.cc/3xDtZ7hH/33-BD1-AB7-6841-4-AB6-ACB9-0450-B66-BC537.jpg (https://postimg.cc/nXpKHyMd)

Saw it on Facebook, so you know...

Update once this year is over, COVID-19 deaths are growing daily.

[msstate7]

Update once this year is over, COVID-19 deaths are growing daily.

Well wouldn't the others rise also?

[Dawgology]

Well wouldn't the others rise also?

I would imagine that by the time this is over with both flu and corona will have taken close to the same numbers which align with what Fauci is saying. Approx. 100,000 individuals

Without social distancing and quarantine that number would be much higher due to the fact that there is no vaccine or herd immunity. But overall cases would be much higher due to the fact that many more indivuduals would get this virus than normally get the flu. Imagine the seasonal flu without a vaccine. It doesn't make the seasonal flu MORE dangerous what it does is allow the flu to get to more people. More people = higher death toll (not higher death rate). The majority of those 100,000 individuals that die from the flu every year die from...guess what...pneumonia. Both the seasonal flu and corona virus are very dangerous diseases. The advantage that corona has over the flu is that it can get into more of the population due to lack of herd/vaccine immunity.

[SheltonChoked]

I would imagine that by the time this is over with both flu and corona will have taken close to the same numbers which align with what Fauci is saying. Approx. 100,000 individuals

Without social distancing and quarantine that number would be much higher due to the fact that there is no vaccine or herd immunity. But overall cases would be much higher due to the fact that many more indivuduals would get this virus than normally get the flu. Imagine the seasonal flu without a vaccine. It doesn't make the seasonal flu MORE dangerous what it does is allow the flu to get to more people. More people = higher death toll (not higher death rate). The majority of those 100,000 individuals that die from the flu every year die from...guess what...pneumonia. Both the seasonal flu and corona virus are very dangerous diseases. The advantage that corona has over the flu is that it can get into more of the population due to lack of herd/vaccine immunity.

Is herd immunity without a vaccine, possible? Wouldn't that be /have been the case for Measles, mumps, chickenpox, smallpox, diphtheria, pertussis, typhoid, Yellow Fever, Malaria, Black Death, Plague etc?

[BrunswickDawg]

GA governor just yesterday said he learned Tuesday that the virus can be spread prior to someone demonstrating symptoms.....like no 17n shit man. That has been established 17n fact by even the cdc since the first God damn week of February. What the hell man.

Brian Kemp is the dumbest Georgia Governor in modern history - and it ain't just this issue. Nathan Deal was a very good governor, and very pragmatic. I'd take him back in a heartbeat.

[Prediction? Pain.]

Anyone feel like fact checking this?

https://i.postimg.cc/3xDtZ7hH/33-BD1-AB7-6841-4-AB6-ACB9-0450-B66-BC537.jpg (https://postimg.cc/nXpKHyMd)

Saw it on Facebook, so you know...

I'll take a half-stab at it by looking just at one sliver of one stat -- suicide.

In 2018, 48,344 (https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/) people died by suicide in the United States. It was the 10th leading cause of death here. I don't have a month-by-month breakdown to see how the rate shifts around holidays and seasons, but the average monthly figure would be 4,028.7. According to the WHO's stats, we have one of the highest (if not the highest) suicide rate among "wealthy" industrialized nations. (We rank No. 34 globally, which puts us just inside the top 25%.)

Suicide, like many -- or potentially all -- of the other categories of death listed on that infographic, is different than COVID-19 in that it does not have a "beginning." In other words, each year, the things that cause suicide are, relatively speaking, as prevalent as they were the year before. Again, relatively speaking. Disasters, economic decline, generational shifts, etc. all affect suicide rates. But the phenomenon of suicide does not originate or "begin" each year on January 1.

COVID-19, of course, is different. To our knowledge, it had never existed in a human being until December 2019. In the United States, the first known case of COVID-19 was on Jan. 21, 2020, and the first death occurred on Feb. 29, 2020. And, unlike suicide, its effect upon the population has increased exponentially every day since then.

If we start our calculation at February 29, 2020, then, COVID-19 in the United States has a death rate so far of roughly 4,510 per month.

Now, the things that make COVID-19 different from suicide also make this "per X amount of time" comparison difficult. In addition to exponential growth, COVID-19 carries with it tons of other variables including widespread (or soon-to-be-widespread, depending upon what state, county, and city you live in) social countermeasures, unknown effects of seasonality, post-infection health care (there's not really any after-the-fact health care options for suicide), and the eventual "peak" phenomenon.

But bottom line, in approximately one month since the first death here, it's monthly death toll would rank it in the top ten causes of death in the United States. That's pretty stout.

ETA: For what it's worth, here in Hamilton County, TN (where Chattanooga is), we had our first COVID-19 diagnosis on March 13, which was 20 days ago. We now have 63 confirmed cases and 6 deaths in the county. The last death (or maybe it was the 5th) was a child under the age of five. It's tough stuff, y'all.

[msstate7]

I'll take a half-stab at it by looking just at one sliver of one stat -- suicide.

In 2018, 48,344 (https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/) people died by suicide in the United States. It was the 10th leading cause of death here. I don't have a month-by-month breakdown to see how the rate shifts around holidays and seasons, but the average monthly figure would be 4,028.7. According to the WHO's stats, we have one of the highest (if not the highest) suicide rate among "wealthy" industrialized nations. (We rank No. 34 globally, which puts us just inside the top 25%.)

Suicide, like many -- or potentially all -- of the other categories of death listed on that infographic, is different than COVID-19 in that it does not have a "beginning." In other words, each year, the things that cause suicide are, relatively speaking, as prevalent as they were the year before. Again, relatively speaking. Disasters, economic decline, generational shifts, etc. all affect suicide rates. But the phenomenon of suicide does not originate or "begin" each year on January 1.

COVID-19, of course, is different. To our knowledge, it had never existed in a human being until December 2019. In the United States, the first known case of COVID-19 was on Jan. 21, 2020, and the first death occurred on Feb. 29, 2020. And, unlike suicide, its effect upon the population has increased exponentially every day since then.

If we start our calculation at February 29, 2020, then, COVID-19 in the United States has a death rate so far of roughly 4,510 per month.

Now, the things that make COVID-19 different from suicide also make this "per X amount of time" comparison difficult. In addition to exponential growth, COVID-19 carries with it tons of other variables including widespread (or soon-to-be-widespread, depending upon what state, county, and city you live in) social countermeasures, unknown effects of seasonality, post-infection health care (there's not really any after-the-fact health care options for suicide), and the eventual "peak" phenomenon.

But bottom line, in approximately one month since the first death here, it's monthly death toll would rank it in the top ten causes of death in the United States. That's pretty stout.

Good work.

It'll be interesting (to me anyway) if the deaths keep going for over a couple months. Without any data, I'm figuring that the virus will take a big toll on the most vulnerable in its early stages, which sorta runs up deaths totals to start with that won't sustain.

[Johnson85]

Is herd immunity without a vaccine, possible? Wouldn't that be /have been the case for Measles, mumps, chickenpox, smallpox, diphtheria, pertussis, typhoid, Yellow Fever, Malaria, Black Death, Plague etc?
Can't remember where I read it, but read something the other day saying it depends on the Ro and whether repeat infections are possible. For measles (I think; may have been mumps or chikcen pox), the guy calculated herd immunity would requires something like 90-95% of the population to have been infected and get immunity b/c the Ro was so high. With what they think the Ro is for COVID, he calculated that something like 70% of the population would have to get it.

[msstate7]

Spain looks poised to take over 2nd place in total cases (already ahead of italy in cases per million), and they're catching up to Italy big time in deaths per million.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Can't remember where I read it, but read something the other day saying it depends on the Ro and whether repeat infections are possible. For measles (I think; may have been mumps or chikcen pox), the guy calculated herd immunity would requires something like 90-95% of the population to have been infected and get immunity b/c the Ro was so high. With what they think the Ro is for COVID, he calculated that something like 70% of the population would have to get it.

But if immunity wears off like another corona virus the common cold, after a year or so, people could catch it again. We just dont know enough yet.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Spain looks poised to take over 2nd place in total cases (already ahead of italy in cases per million), and they're catching up to Italy big time in deaths per million.

Have you ever been to Spain or Italy? The women there are drop dead hot. I would gladly take a shot at Corona for a chance at a fine italian lady. Thats the issue. Also, large portions of every major town are high density, close quarters.

[Cooterpoot]

It's important to note that you are starting to hear health care officials hedge their assumptions when saying big numbers here recently. Again, it's still a very dangerous virus. Think about this. If the seasonal flue kills roughly 60,000 in the US every year and then you drop this on top of the US you are doubling or tripling deaths related to viruses/flus in one year. That is a lot of AVOIDABLE deaths. We need to maintain the social distancing, quarnatine, and shelter in place methods until AT LEAST the end of April.

And COVID can be carried at the same time as the flu. So you could test positive for flu and miss the COVID if the flu test was positive.

[Dawgology]

But if immunity wears off like another corona virus the common cold, after a year or so, people could catch it again. We just dont know enough yet.

Most research has indicated little mutation for the amount of individuals it has passed through. It will probably end up much like the flu where it slowly develops a second strain and vaccine may have to be adjusted each season. With that said an article I read in Nature the other day interviewed several different research groups that suggested they are developing a one time vaccine much like the MMR.

[revdrdawg]

Well wouldn't the others rise also?

The Corona deaths have doubled in one week since this chart. The others would have risen about 2% (give or take for seasonal differences) during the same time. As others have noted, who knows how many Chinese deaths were not reported. Also, if you started the recording of deaths on Feb 1 or March 1, the ratio of Corona deaths to the others would be much higher.

[Liverpooldawg]

Can't remember where I read it, but read something the other day saying it depends on the Ro and whether repeat infections are possible. For measles (I think; may have been mumps or chikcen pox), the guy calculated herd immunity would requires something like 90-95% of the population to have been infected and get immunity b/c the Ro was so high. With what they think the Ro is for COVID, he calculated that something like 70% of the population would have to get it.
It depends on the disease and whether you are permanently immune to it once you have it. Remember mumps and measles used to be referred to as childhood diseases. Virtually everyone got them in childhood.

[yjnkdawg]

Tate Reeves just posted on Facebook -

Today is the first day of our shelter-in-place order. We will be addressing the state and taking questions on it at 3:30 PM. You can watch here on Facebook Live.

[Cooterpoot]

Shelter in place is just to make it "official". Nothing is really changing with it except the police will get involved if you're blatantly disobeying the guidelines. Plus there's a curfew.

[yjnkdawg]

Shelter in place is just to make it "official". Nothing is really changing with it except the police will get involved if you're blatantly disobeying the guidelines. Plus there's a curfew.


Yep I know but it made some people freak out at the grocery stores again. Nothing unusual on the freaking out. Uncertainty and panic is not a good thing.

[RocketDawg]

Brian Kemp is the dumbest Georgia Governor in modern history - and it ain't just this issue. Nathan Deal was a very good governor, and very pragmatic. I'd take him back in a heartbeat.

Makes you wonder where Kemp has been the past few weeks. Even 6 year olds know the methods of coronavirus transfer.

[RocketDawg]

Tate Reeves just posted on Facebook -

Today is the first day of our shelter-in-place order. We will be addressing the state and taking questions on it at 3:30 PM. You can watch here on Facebook Live.


Alabama's "Stay-at-Home" order starts tomorrow at 5 p.m. I don't know how that differs from shelter in place.

Drove by a Dirt Cheap store today and it was open and the sign says they will remain open. What makes them "essential"? I've never been in one of their stores.

[hacker]

Alabama's "Stay-at-Home" order starts tomorrow at 5 p.m. I don't know how that differs from shelter in place.

Drove by a Dirt Cheap store today and it was open and the sign says they will remain open. What makes them "essential"? I've never been in one of their stores.

Basically, a bunch of companies / associations lobbied to be considered essential. No actual reason other than $

[starkvegasdawg]

Basically, a bunch of companies / associations lobbied to be considered essential. No actual reason other than $

I wish I could believe the reason was more noble than this. But I can't.

[Mjoelner34]

Basically, a bunch of companies / associations lobbied to be considered essential. No actual reason other than $

BINGO!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAJEDcPPmG4

[HeCannotGo]

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/images/graphics/covid19-chart-onset-03.png

Apologies in advance if this chart has recently been discussed. It shows new cases in Mississippi by date of onset of symptoms. The numbers in the grey box on the far right will get worse, but the overall trend indicates that new cases are trending downward.

[hacker]

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/images/graphics/covid19-chart-onset-03.png

Apologies in advance if this chart has recently been discussed. It shows new cases in Mississippi by date of onset of symptoms. The numbers in the grey box on the far right will get worse, but the overall trend indicates that new cases are trending downward.

This chart does look good but I think they should extend the grey area a few more days. We have a test lag of more than 7 days in some cases. It's looked like this for a while but then as the days pass more cases get added.

The fact that it's been relatively flat is really good though.

[msstate7]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120805778/coronavirus-to-swedes-its-the-rest-of-the-world-engaging-in-a-reckless-experiment

...

This is interesting to me... Swedish are carrying on.

[hacker]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120805778/coronavirus-to-swedes-its-the-rest-of-the-world-engaging-in-a-reckless-experiment

...

This is interesting to me... Swedish are carrying on.

Yeah, I was reading another article about Sweden earlier. Currently they have 3x as many deaths per capita as their neighbor Norway and their economy is tanking anyway. Norway locked down early and has been testing a shitload of people and seem to have it under control. Regardless of how it ends up, I think Norway vs Sweden will be a case study going forward.

Here's the article I read: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-04/sweden-girds-for-thousands-of-deaths-amid-laxer-virus-response

[msstate7]

Yeah, I was reading another article about Sweden earlier. Currently they have 3x as many deaths per capita as their neighbor Norway and their economy is tanking anyway. Norway locked down early and has been testing a shitload of people and seem to have it under control. Regardless of how it ends up, I think Norway vs Sweden will be a case study going forward.

Here's the article I read: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-04/sweden-girds-for-thousands-of-deaths-amid-laxer-virus-response

Do you have both countries' test numbers per capita? I thought locking down was to prevent spread. Norway has 991 cases per million to Sweden's 607. This could mean nothing though of tests per capita are totally different

[hacker]

Do you have both countries' test numbers per capita? I thought locking down was to prevent spread. Norway has 991 cases per million to Sweden's 607. This could mean nothing though of tests per capita are totally different

Yeah, they added test numbers here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Norway 6x the tests per capita

[msstate7]

Yeah, they added test numbers here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Norway 6x the tests per capita

That certainly accounts for the difference

[Johnson85]

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/images/graphics/covid19-chart-onset-03.png

Apologies in advance if this chart has recently been discussed. It shows new cases in Mississippi by date of onset of symptoms. The numbers in the grey box on the far right will get worse, but the overall trend indicates that new cases are trending downward.

I have been tracking that chart and the grey box is wayyyyy to small. Yesterday they added cases as far back as the middle of March, although there weren't significant additions prior to I think March 23rd. Trend has held steady though even though cases keep getting added back. It's been relatively flat and until Friday when they added a bunch of cases to March 23rd, it looked like March 20th might be the peak. Guessing the cases added to March 24th through the 26th over the next few days will tell the tale.

[msstate7]

Only 2 countries (Italy and San Marino) have a death rate over 50 per million that have tested at least 10000 per million; this is a sample size of 23 countries. Of this 23 country sample, 12 have a case per million of over 1000. There's only 21 countries in the world with a 1000 cases per million. This data (IMO) supports my theory this virus is a lot more prevalent than the documented cases and the death rate is inflated

[Todd4State]

Only 2 countries (Italy and San Marino) have a death rate over 50 per million that have tested at least 10000 per million; this is a sample size of 23 countries. Of this 23 country sample, 12 have a case per million of over 1000. There's only 21 countries in the world with a 1000 cases per million. This data (IMO) supports my theory this virus is a lot more prevalent than the documented cases and the death rate is inflated

No doubt.

This will sound insane...

But I kind of hope it is more prevalent BUT asymptomatic in most people so that we can build immunity more quickly.

[msstate7]

No doubt.

This will sound insane...

But I kind of hope it is more prevalent BUT asymptomatic in most people so that we can build immunity more quickly.

Not insane at all. I hope the exact thing.

[yjnkdawg]

Only 2 countries (Italy and San Marino) have a death rate over 50 per million that have tested at least 10000 per million; this is a sample size of 23 countries. Of this 23 country sample, 12 have a case per million of over 1000. There's only 21 countries in the world with a 1000 cases per million. This data (IMO) supports my theory this virus is a lot more prevalent than the documented cases and the death rate is inflated


I agree. We really don't know how many people have had either no symptoms or mild symptoms and treated it on their own (with no medical visit or consultation), and therefore the State Health Departments and the CDC would not be aware that they even had the virus.

[StateDawg44]

But muh numbers and graphs don’t lie.

[starkvegasdawg]

183 new cases and 8 new deaths.

[gtowndawg]

If you want to read some very interesting tweets and data, I'd recommend following this guy on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1246825831864963073

[Dolphus Raymond]

Like others, I suspect a sizable number of people have contracted and recovered from the virus never knowing they had contracted COVID-19. (Particularly early on in the pandemic.)
I have a family member in another state that is recovering at home. (He is a nurse and contracted COVID-19 at work.) I spoke with him and compared his symptoms with the symptoms I manifested a month ago which were sore throat, light cough, chills, fever and fatigue. Almost an exact match. The antibody test should come on line in a month or two and I suspect the data generated over time will be very revealing. No matter, the next few weeks are going to be very challenging for our nation. However, as we always have, we will endure because that is who we are.

[dawgday166]

If you want to read some very interesting tweets and data, I'd recommend following this guy on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1246825831864963073

Not saying this isn't some badass shit but ... Cuomo has been up there in his requirements of what will be needed. Will it reach that? Don't know. But I've thought all along there may be some very conservative (relative to worst case) scenarios being fed into the models.

But it also ain't over yet so don't really know yet.

[gtowndawg]

Not saying this isn't some badass shit but ... Cuomo has been up there in his requirements of what will be needed. Will it reach that? Don't know. But I've thought all along there may be some very conservative (relative to worst case) scenarios being fed into the models.

But it also ain't over yet so don't really know yet.

Since I started following this guy it make me check Tennessee everyday. The model says there should be 4,870 hospitalized in Tennessee today (April 5). But Tennessee reports 311. And the model (4,870 in Tennessee as of today) assumes that EVERYONE is social distancing. In other words, the 4,870 for today would be the best case scenario for Tennessee. I drove my car Friday for the first time in 3 weeks. I'm doing my part but I'm getting more and more skeptical each day.

[dawgday166]

Since I started following this guy it make me check Tennessee everyday. The model says there should be 4,870 hospitalized in Tennessee today (April 5). But Tennessee reports 311. And the model (4,870 in Tennessee as of today) assumes that EVERYONE is social distancing. In other words, the 4,870 for today would be the best case scenario for Tennessee. I drove my car Friday for the first time in 3 weeks. I'm doing my part but I'm getting more and more skeptical each day.

Well ... the timing in the models could be off some that's why I'm reluctant to say it won't be that bad. So I wouldn't relax too much just yet ... the potential may still be there hidden somewhere. In another 2 to 4 weeks I think we'll see more identifiable trends and more reliable data forming. I also tend to think latitude with regard to heat/cold and humidity are affecting it some.

[dantheman4248]

We definitely have slowed this down a whole lot as a country. Credit needs to be given that we've gotten our heads out of our asses and are starting to see the effects of social distancing. Still, crossed into .1% of the country *PROVEN* infected with this. About 3% of that subset dead. Figure as it goes we'll see slightly better results.

The exponential rate of growing is finally starting to hit its wall. Logarithmically we are starting to see this flatten. My fear was that we wouldn't see that until we broke the 1 million infected mark. Hopefully this continues to be the case and flattens more.

Updating my prediction, i think this will have about a 1.75% death rate among proven cases w/ hopefully no more than 2% of the country proven infected. (That would be only around 100k deaths) That would be an astounding recovery that we made from where we were looking at a few weeks ago. Hopefully people understand this as proof social distancing works and that it helped save lives. These next two months are going to be rough. Let's see if we can keep it up.

[Todd4State]

We definitely have slowed this down a whole lot as a country. Credit needs to be given that we've gotten our heads out of our asses and are starting to see the effects of social distancing. Still, crossed into .1% of the country *PROVEN* infected with this. About 3% of that subset dead. Figure as it goes we'll see slightly better results.

The exponential rate of growing is finally starting to hit its wall. Logarithmically we are starting to see this flatten. My fear was that we wouldn't see that until we broke the 1 million infected mark. Hopefully this continues to be the case and flattens more.

Updating my prediction, i think this will have about a 1.75% death rate among proven cases w/ hopefully no more than 2% of the country proven infected. (That would be only around 100k deaths) That would be an astounding recovery that we made from where we were looking at a few weeks ago. Hopefully people understand this as proof social distancing works and that it helped save lives. These next two months are going to be rough. Let's see if we can keep it up.

I think Dr. Fauci's models were way off to start with. But no doubt social distancing has still helped save lives.

[dawgday166]

I think Dr. Fauci's models were way off to start with. But no doubt social distancing has still helped save lives.

I kinda do too. But now that we're social distancing dantheman has a good explanation for how far his models were off too. Sorta like last year's football season ... he was only a tad off on that one *******

[dantheman4248]

I kinda do too. But now that we're social distancing dantheman has a good explanation for how far his models were off too. Sorta like last year's football season ... he was only a tad off on that one *******

I gave a back of the napkin estimate for the finality. Havent even been proven off of that original prediction either (which I said I didn't think we would do a good job with social distancing).

This month is going to be interesting to see play out. Because I know personally I'm going stir crazy with quarantining and working from home. If our new cases day per total cases ratio kicks back up then we could be in for a bumpy ride.

Also hating on these doctor's models when the opposite side was blatantly awful and their inaccuracy led to more deaths while the doctors models helped save lives by conveying the severity of the situation... I mean ffs we had people in the month of march saying there wouldn't be 30k cases in the US before the start of summer. It's barely into April and we already have 5 digit deaths in the country.

Chastising people for perfectly predicting American behavior and Trump / State behavior is just silly. "Haha you were wrong we didn't have THAT many die." Well yea, that's the ****ing point.

[Todd4State]

I gave a back of the napkin estimate for the finality. Havent even been proven off of that original prediction either (which I said I didn't think we would do a good job with social distancing).

This month is going to be interesting to see play out. Because I know personally I'm going stir crazy with quarantining and working from home. If our new cases day per total cases ratio kicks back up then we could be in for a bumpy ride.

Also hating on these doctor's models when the opposite side was blatantly awful and their inaccuracy led to more deaths while the doctors models helped save lives by conveying the severity of the situation... I mean ffs we had people in the month of march saying there wouldn't be 30k cases in the US before the start of summer. It's barely into April and we already have 5 digit deaths in the country.

Chastising people for perfectly predicting American behavior and Trump / State behavior is just silly. "Haha you were wrong we didn't have THAT many die." Well yea, that's the ****ing point.

Dr Fauci said in January that Coronavirus wouldn't affect us at all. He has been consistently wrong the entire time. He has had to backtrack multiple times.

And yeah- it's great that he was wrong in a good way. But I think he's getting way too much credit from people. Heck- Msstate7 on our board has been more right than Dr. Fauci. How come msstate7 isn't getting any accolades?

[dantheman4248]

Dr Fauci said in January that Coronavirus wouldn't affect us at all. He has been consistently wrong the entire time. He has had to backtrack multiple times.

And yeah- it's great that he was wrong in a good way. But I think he's getting way too much credit from people. Heck- Msstate7 on our board has been more right than Dr. Fauci. How come msstate7 isn't getting any accolades?

I'm not really gonna fault predictions from January / early Feb at this point. Not many people could think that we would have been so woefully incompetent at protecting ourselves while China malicious has spread it.

Not saying he deserves every accolade he's receiving, but some context is needed. He's having to correct whatever idiot things our president says inaccurately and also manage to not piss off that same man who fires people constantly. Fauci started off in a hole a mile deep and is battling back to ground level.

[dawgday166]

I gave a back of the napkin estimate for the finality. Havent even been proven off of that original prediction either (which I said I didn't think we would do a good job with social distancing).

This month is going to be interesting to see play out. Because I know personally I'm going stir crazy with quarantining and working from home. If our new cases day per total cases ratio kicks back up then we could be in for a bumpy ride.

Also hating on these doctor's models when the opposite side was blatantly awful and their inaccuracy led to more deaths while the doctors models helped save lives by conveying the severity of the situation... I mean ffs we had people in the month of march saying there wouldn't be 30k cases in the US before the start of summer. It's barely into April and we already have 5 digit deaths in the country.

Chastising people for perfectly predicting American behavior and Trump / State behavior is just silly. "Haha you were wrong we didn't have THAT many die." Well yea, that's the ****ing point.

Just giving you a hard time dude cause ... you're so sensitive about it LOL. I think it's serious shit and would be more serious without social distancing. I feel a lot for those folks in NY ... I do. Would 2 or 3 mill die tho ... kinda skeptical on that one but it's probably better off to be safer than sorry. Especially now that we've started down this path. Unless of course you can't eat or put a roof over your head and your kids' too after this is all over ... I feel a lot for those folks too.

Trump does some things I like, and some things I don't. Relative to this tho ... he has some tough trades he has to make while listening to experts who are still grasping at the severity of the situation themselves every single day. And he's not doing a bad job of that. Part of the reason he changes his tune every day is cause they keep changing their tune.

EVERYONE was wrong back in January. Fauci, Pelosi, Cuomo, the NY mayor, the Mich gov ... etc. But I don't hold it against them cause ... no one really knew at that time. The only ones that were smart are the senators and congressmen who made several mill by getting out of the stock market. I do hold that against them.

[Todd4State]

I'm not really gonna fault predictions from January / early Feb at this point. Not many people could think that we would have been so woefully incompetent at protecting ourselves while China malicious has spread it.

Not saying he deserves every accolade he's receiving, but some context is needed. He's having to correct whatever idiot things our president says inaccurately and also manage to not piss off that same man who fires people constantly. Fauci started off in a hole a mile deep and is battling back to ground level.

OK- how about his predictions that were off in March about how many people would die? Even the models that showed the "best case" scenario from him were way too high. And I can't buy that ALL of the good news is due to social distancing. Even the White House is starting to not believe him.

[starkvegasdawg]

Oktibbeha county with its first death. It was an 89 year old woman.

[hacker]

OK- how about his predictions that were off in March about how many people would die? Even the models that showed the "best case" scenario from him were way too high. And I can't buy that ALL of the good news is due to social distancing. Even the White House is starting to not believe him.

I'm pretty sure the best case scenario has always been 100k dead and we'll get there. ~1200 dying each day currently, that number will continue to grow before it plateaus and slowly drops.

(And only a fraction of a percent of our population has been infected so far)

[DownwardDawg]

Guys I went to town (Collins) yesterday to get gas in jugs for mower, four wheeler, etc.... I did everything u are supposed to do. I wore a cheap mask, stayed way away from people, and wore latex gloves when using gas nozzle and keypad. The gas pumps were very busy. I had to wait and there were people pulling up when I left. I WAS THE ONLY PERSON DOING ANY OF THIS!!!!! Not 1 damn person was wearing gloves or using sanitizer that I saw!!!!! People looked at me like I was an alien.

[msstate7]

IHME now predicts 81,766 deaths (range is between ~50k - 136k) in US by aug 4th. It predicts 237 deaths (range is between 175 and 325) in miss by aug 4th.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

[SheltonChoked]

Only 2 countries (Italy and San Marino) have a death rate over 50 per million that have tested at least 10000 per million; this is a sample size of 23 countries. Of this 23 country sample, 12 have a case per million of over 1000. There's only 21 countries in the world with a 1000 cases per million. This data (IMO) supports my theory this virus is a lot more prevalent than the documented cases and the death rate is inflated

That is not what the death numbers in Italy and Spain are showing. Even adjusting for the COVID deaths, the number of deaths has doubled vs the standard weeks. It may not be "Vivid" deaths, but those unable to get treatment due to covid. (I.e., a heart attack unable to get an ICU, or scared to go to the DR due to Covid)

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04-01/coronavirus-italy-shows-we-may-be-underestimating-death-toll

[yjnkdawg]

COVID-19 Testing
Statewide Testing Summary

COVID-19 testing providers around the state include commercial laboratories and the University of Mississippi Medical Center (UMMC). Combined with testing done by the MSDH Public Health Laboratory, the figures provide a complete picture of all Mississippi testing.

Combined testing totals (MSDH, UMMC and commercial testing providers) as of April 5, 2020.
Total individuals tested by the MSDH Public Health Laboratory 6,309
Total individuals tested by other providers 14,061
Total individuals tested for COVID-19 statewide 20,378
Total individuals tested positive for COVID-19 out of that total statewide number 1,738

[starkvegasdawg]

Guys I went to town (Collins) yesterday to get gas in jugs for mower, four wheeler, etc.... I did everything u are supposed to do. I wore a cheap mask, stayed way away from people, and wore latex gloves when using gas nozzle and keypad. The gas pumps were very busy. I had to wait and there were people pulling up when I left. I WAS THE ONLY PERSON DOING ANY OF THIS!!!!! Not 1 damn person was wearing gloves or using sanitizer that I saw!!!!! People looked at me like I was an alien.

Where I work they are handing out masks like candy if you want them. Maybe 200 people here. I've seen 3 other people wearing masks.

[yjnkdawg]

You really can't go by county numbers concerning safety from Covid-19. Unfortunately in the next day or so (probably tomorrow) there will be another county, which most would call having a minimal number of positive cases (less than 5 and none LTC currently), which will be listed on the MSDH website as having one LTC facility with an outbreak. It is real scary for all of us but especially so concerning these LTC facilities.

[DownwardDawg]

Where I work they are handing out masks like candy if you want them. Maybe 200 people here. I've seen 3 other people wearing masks.

Wow. People are still not doing their part.

[confucius say]

I agree. We really don't know how many people have had either no symptoms or mild symptoms and treated it on their own (with no medical visit or consultation), and therefore the State Health Departments and the CDC would not be aware that they even had the virus.

Millions

[Johnson85]

I gave a back of the napkin estimate for the finality. Havent even been proven off of that original prediction either (which I said I didn't think we would do a good job with social distancing).

This month is going to be interesting to see play out. Because I know personally I'm going stir crazy with quarantining and working from home. If our new cases day per total cases ratio kicks back up then we could be in for a bumpy ride.

Also hating on these doctor's models when the opposite side was blatantly awful and their inaccuracy led to more deaths while the doctors models helped save lives by conveying the severity of the situation... I mean ffs we had people in the month of march saying there wouldn't be 30k cases in the US before the start of summer. It's barely into April and we already have 5 digit deaths in the country.

Chastising people for perfectly predicting American behavior and Trump / State behavior is just silly. "Haha you were wrong we didn't have THAT many die." Well yea, that's the ****ing point.

This is bullshit. you don't get extra credit for being chicken little. There is a lot of uncertainty in these types of decisions that make being "right" more or less impossible absent some blind luck. We still don't know, but there's a good chance we are going to find out that our policies made a bad situation a good bit worse. And saying "well at least we did something" isn't helpful to the people that are devastated or even dead b/c people freaked out.

[Dawgology]

Fauci now stating that he thinks it will become seasonal.

I guess we will have to shut down America forever...******************

[msstate7]

I'm sorry that the best available facts don't line up with what you immagine reality to be... seriously 7, you're a stats guy. Saying 'I don't buy" it can get that bad or "ix this part is really that bad then the other part must be not nearly as bad" are basically you stating "I arbitrarily decided it will only be X bad, so whatever formula of # infected x death rate must = X". You're smarter than to use hunches from your own ass in the face of what literal Dr's and nations with or evidence say.

Death rates are probably closer to 1% than 3. And back to CHina- remember they quarantined Wuhan after only 500 confirmed cases, and took a lot more quarantine action elsewhere after I think 2,000 cases were confirmed. We've already had over 1,000 cases confirmed and aren't doing shit, so yeah it's reasonable to think the % of the population that gets it will be higher than China's was (or SK or that matter)

Have you saw the latest projections?

[Todd4State]

Fauci now stating that he thinks it will become seasonal.

I guess we will have to shut down America forever...******************

Good. That means that this will be a one time deal.**

[DownwardDawg]

I went to a small engine repair shop in Smith county today. Had to get mower blades. As best I could tell, there were 5 employees and at least 5-7 customers. Not a single glove, face mask, or sanitizer being used that I could see. If it doesn’t kill a bunch more Mississippians, it’s due to dumb luck. Certainly not because we all did our part.

On the flip side , I have malaria pills from my time in Africa. Still have a Z pack, and a vial of ivermectin for heart worm treatment on my dogs!! Seems I have all the treatments covered!!!

[dawgday166]

Fauci now stating that he thinks it will become seasonal.

I guess we will have to shut down America forever...******************

Fauci kinda pissing me of a little. Why not use hydroxycloriquine with z-pac if you're very ill?? All this bullshit about double blind studies or controlled studies in this scenario is crap. Trump is spot on saying if someone develops pretty serious symptoms then use it. Not sure folks should necessarily use it in advance of that but ... I think they do use it in advance in high malaria regions of the world.

I also HAVE NEVER understood telling and emphasizing to folks to NOT wear a mask. It probably will keep you from getting it where the air isn't saturated with the virus, but it certainly wouldn't hurt either way. It's bullshit that Fauci and the Surgeon General both advised so strongly against wearing a mask.

Sometimes ... very smart people are not extremely practical.

[yjnkdawg]

Fauci kinda pissing me of a little. Why not use hydroxycloriquine with z-pac if you're very ill?? All this bullshit about double blind studies or controlled studies in this scenario is crap. Trump is spot on saying if someone develops pretty serious symptoms then use it. Not sure folks should necessarily use it in advance of that but ... I think they do use it in advance in high malaria regions of the world.

I also HAVE NEVER understood telling and emphasizing to folks to NOT wear a mask. It probably will keep you from getting it where the air isn't saturated with the virus, but it certainly wouldn't hurt either way. It's bullshit that Fauci and the Surgeon General both advised so strongly against wearing a mask.

Sometimes ... very smart people are not extremely practical.


I think they probably didn't recommend wearing a mask because people would freak out and try to buy up all the masks that the health care workers so desperately needs on the front line. I may be wrong, but everything is still a guessing game right now, and I agree on your comment about Dr Fauci. I actually listen more as to what Dr. Deborah Birx says.

[yjnkdawg]

This is from several days ago, but it is a pretty informative video with Dr. Jay Bhattachary being interviewed.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya is a professor of medicine at Stanford University. He is a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research and a senior fellow at both the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research and the Stanford Freeman Spogli Institute. His background is as a doctor, a medical researcher, and an economist. Some of this interview (March 27) is defending what he said in the Wall Street Journal (March 24th). He was also predicting the death rate to be lower than projected by the Washington Health experts at that time. His prediction was more in line with what they are predicting now.

"Questioning Conventional Wisdom in the COVID-19 Crisis, with Dr. Jay Bhattachary"





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0#action=share

[chef dixon]

I love watching the slow turn on Fauci. 99% of doctors would agree with the premise of what he has been saying for the last month, so I'm not really sure what people want him to say. How is he supposed to know exactly how this will turn out? Its a new virus and a situation the modern world has never seen before.

[dawgday166]

I think they probably didn't recommend wearing a mask because people would freak out and try to buy up all the masks that the health care workers so desperately needs on the front line. I may be wrong, but everything is still a guessing game right now, and I agree on your comment about Dr Fauci. I actually listen more as to what Dr. Deborah Birx says.

Agree on Birx too. She's the most practical health advisor that Trump has IMO.

[starkvegasdawg]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/mississippi-couple-death-coronavirus-holding-hands

Onion cutting article.

[yjnkdawg]

Agree on Birx too. She's the most practical health advisor that Trump has IMO.

She seems to me to relate to the general public better. Even when she has not so good news to relay.

[dantheman4248]

I love watching the slow turn on Fauci. 99% of doctors would agree with the premise of what he has been saying for the last month, so I'm not really sure what people want him to say. How is he supposed to know exactly how this will turn out? Its a new virus and a situation the modern world has never seen before.

He's the fall guy plain and simple. Everything will be blamed on him and the rest of the government will come out looking squeaky clean to gullible America.

[hacker]

@msstate7

Update on the Sweden vs Norway thing, Sweden had 114 deaths in the last 24 hours. Norway has 83 total deaths.

[msstate7]

@msstate7

Update on the Sweden vs Norway thing, Sweden had 114 deaths in the last 24 hours. Norway has 83 total deaths.

Be interesting if they change course or ride it out.

What's Sweden's other border country (Denmark) doing?

Death rate for the 3:
Denmark: 127 per million
Finland: 6 per million
Sweden: 59 per million

[hacker]

Be interesting if they change course or ride it out.

What's Sweden's other border country (Denmark) doing?

Death rate for the 3:
Denmark: 127 per million
Finland: 6 per million
Sweden: 59 per million

Denmark has a policy similar to Norway, but I'm seeing 35 per million. I think you saw the 127 in the wrong column.

[msstate7]

Denmark has a policy similar to Norway, but I'm seeing 35 per million. I think you saw the 127 in the wrong column.

You're correct, serious condition. Thanks

[Johnson85]

Be interesting if they change course or ride it out.

What's Sweden's other border country (Denmark) doing?

Death rate for the 3:
Denmark: 127 per million
Finland: 6 per million
Sweden: 59 per million

I thought all those places were the same country**

[msstate7]

Hypertension most common pre-existing condition among LA deaths from covid19. Adding up the percentages of pre-existing conditions that are listed, you get 232.7; obviously, many have a few of the conditions.

https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_982c42d0-7887-11ea-acb5-5b3b9260620f.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=nolafb&utm_campaign=snd

[Johnson85]

Hypertension most common pre-existing condition among LA deaths from covid19. Adding up the percentages of pre-existing conditions that are listed, you get 232.7; obviously, many have a few of the conditions.

https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_982c42d0-7887-11ea-acb5-5b3b9260620f.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=nolafb&utm_campaign=snd

I suspect a huge percentage of those with hypertension are diabetic or obese or both. Be interested to see how many deaths involve people that had hypertension but no other serious underlying condition.

[msstate7]

I suspect a huge percentage of those with hypertension are diabetic or obese or both. Be interested to see how many deaths involve people that had hypertension but no other serious underlying condition.

The number that jumps out at me is African Americans account for 70.5% of the deaths. Anyone know the % of the population African Americans make up in LA?

[RocketDawg]

The number that jumps out at me is African Americans account for 70.5% of the deaths. Anyone know the % of the population African Americans make up in LA?

Assuming you mean Louisiana and not Los Angeles, New Orleans is about 60% Black, and the state is about 33% (according to the Census Bureau).

[Todd4State]

The number that jumps out at me is African Americans account for 70.5% of the deaths. Anyone know the % of the population African Americans make up in LA?

Coronavirus just tweeted a picture of a noose.**

Too soon?

[dantheman4248]

The watchdog overseeing the 2 Trillion dollar virus relief package was just removed by the president.

...

I don't even know what to say. There's no insurance that the American people are going to be treated fairly here now. This economic collapse just got a little bit worse for the have nots. More free money for the swamp.


ETA: This effectively kills any future relief bills and will make the economy wilt as no way democrats will allow any more uninhibited relief bills through. The American people just blatantly had their tax dollar stolen from them during an economic crisis and pandemic.

This will lead to more people having to go back to work quicker than necessary and a possible second wave for the virus. Only God can help us now. Please let summer heat kill this thing way more than initially thought.

[Dawgcap]

The watchdog overseeing the 2 Trillion dollar virus relief package was just removed by the president.

...

I don't even know what to say. There's no insurance that the American people are going to be treated fairly here now. This economic collapse just got a little bit worse for the have nots. More free money for the swamp.


ETA: This effectively kills any future relief bills and will make the economy wilt as no way democrats will allow any more uninhibited relief bills through. The American people just blatantly had their tax dollar stolen from them during an economic crisis and pandemic.

This will lead to more people having to go back to work quicker than necessary and a possible second wave for the virus. Only God can help us now. Please let summer heat kill this thing way more than initially thought.
Damn I think you?re a bit overreacting.

[dantheman4248]

Damn I think you?re a bit overreacting.

How? This is the most egregious thing he's done given the context. How he managed to find a new low is astounding. The ramifications of this are clear even if he handles the money correctly and doesn't cheat that bill. Killing any future relief makes it impossible for many Americans to handle a quarantine that lasts past the end of May. He just did that whether or not he steals money. And he will blame the democrats for not trusting him when all bills are killed.

This is absolutely psychotic. We can only pray that the summer heat culls this virus and that a better cure to fight this is found soon.

[dawgday166]

Damn I think you?re a bit overreacting.

You expect something different??

[Todd4State]

How? This is the most egregious thing he's done given the context. How he managed to find a new low is astounding. The ramifications of this are clear even if he handles the money correctly and doesn't cheat that bill. Killing any future relief makes it impossible for many Americans to handle a quarantine that lasts past the end of May. He just did that whether or not he steals money. And he will blame the democrats for not trusting him when all bills are killed.

This is absolutely psychotic. We can only pray that the summer heat culls this virus and that a better cure to fight this is found soon.

Have you ever pondered that maybe that's because they don't expect this to last past the end of May?

[Commercecomet24]

You expect something different??

Rep Given!

[dawgday166]

Rep Given!

I'd throw some back at ya but ... gotta spread some around ya know.

[dantheman4248]

Have you ever pondered that maybe that's because they don't expect this to last past the end of May?

Yes trump removed oversight on the distribution of two trillion of America's money because he doesn't think this will last past the end of May. That's solely why.

This dude just removed checks and balances from our government over distributing 2 trillion dollars and you're justifying it. He just took the biggest step towards dictatorship that he has yet. But you're going to defend it.

Please, someone logically explain why we SHOULDNT be vehemently disapproving this? Instead of ad hominem attacks about how I'm "chicken little" how about debating the issue? I'll wait.

[Commercecomet24]

I'd throw some back at ya but ... gotta spread some around ya know.

I hear ya brother! It's all good!

[turkish]

So there’ll be no oversight of how the stimulus is dispersed? Wow. Yeah. What an overreach!

[msstate7]

So there’ll be no oversight of how the stimulus is dispersed? Wow. Yeah. What an overreach!

He just appointed Donald jr to oversee, so all is well

[yjnkdawg]

You expect something different??


and here's another Rep given. So much for the Op's request to keep politics out of the thread.

[dawgday166]

He just appointed Donald jr to oversee, so all is well

Think Trump is now regretting not taking his salary and trying to line his pockets before he leave office ***** Or is he using the "governors have to decide stuff for their state" smokescreen while he becomes Adolf Hitler in the background. That's pretty slick on his part ******

Meanwhile, Pelosi & Schumer all about the little folks ******

[Todd4State]

Yes trump removed oversight on the distribution of two trillion of America's money because he doesn't think this will last past the end of May. That's solely why.

This dude just removed checks and balances from our government over distributing 2 trillion dollars and you're justifying it. He just took the biggest step towards dictatorship that he has yet. But you're going to defend it.

Please, someone logically explain why we SHOULDNT be vehemently disapproving this? Instead of ad hominem attacks about how I'm "chicken little" how about debating the issue? I'll wait.

I'll wait until the end of May. Sorry you're not getting your handout.

[Todd4State]

Think Trump is now regretting not taking his salary and trying to line his pockets before he leave office ***** Or is he using the "governors have to decide stuff for their state" smokescreen while he becomes Adolf Hitler in the background. That's pretty slick on his part ******

Meanwhile, Pelosi & Schumer all about the little folks ******

They're all crooked. Both parties.

[deadheaddawg]

John Prine died today from COVID. My musical hero. As good as a songwriter as there every was IMHO

[dawgday166]

They're all crooked. Both parties.

Not arguing that point at all.

But dano be saying Trump trying to become a dictator while he is the one of the few officials practically that has been resisting that. He's the one that didn't invoke the govt production act immediately, didn't shut down the country immediately, has let governors decide for themselves, isn't utilizing the national guard to keep people in their houses, etc. I don't know why he fired the guy in charge of distributing the $2 trill but I'm guessing it's cause he was pissed that people were having such a hard time getting their benefits. Not sure tho cause Trump fires for lots of reasons and not all of them are good reasons.

I guess some value life a helluva lot more than liberty. They for a dictatorship when it protects them and they're "safe" and/or it's their side of the aisle.

[dantheman4248]

Think Trump is now regretting not taking his salary and trying to line his pockets before he leave office ***** Or is he using the "governors have to decide stuff for their state" smokescreen while he becomes Adolf Hitler in the background. That's pretty slick on his part ******

Meanwhile, Pelosi & Schumer all about the little folks ******


You're looking at Putin, not Hitler. This is the most clear step he has followed Putin under and dare I say he is now more powerful than Putin. Russia's budget revenue is equivalent to 200 billion dollars. Control over that is how Putin controls big business in Russia and thusly everything else. Giving Trump free reign over TEN TIMES that amount is scary. That amount is equal to over half the yearly US budget.

And yes, the IGs get to appoint the next one, but Trump will simply remove whoever doesn't toe the line.

We're in a dictatorship and Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the history of the world. That's not an overreaction, that's a fact.

[dawgday166]

You're looking at Putin, not Hitler. This is the most clear step he has followed Putin under and dare I say he is now more powerful than Putin. Russia's budget revenue is equivalent to 200 billion dollars. Control over that is how Putin controls big business in Russia and thusly everything else. Giving Trump free reign over TEN TIMES that amount is scary. That amount is equal to over half the yearly US budget.

And yes, the IGs get to appoint the next one, but Trump will simply remove whoever doesn't toe the line.

We're in a dictatorship and Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the history of the world. That's not an overreaction, that's a fact.

Yea, yea ... whatever.

[Dawgcap]

You're looking at Putin, not Hitler. This is the most clear step he has followed Putin under and dare I say he is now more powerful than Putin. Russia's budget revenue is equivalent to 200 billion dollars. Control over that is how Putin controls big business in Russia and thusly everything else. Giving Trump free reign over TEN TIMES that amount is scary. That amount is equal to over half the yearly US budget.

And yes, the IGs get to appoint the next one, but Trump will simply remove whoever doesn't toe the line.

We're in a dictatorship and Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the history of the world. That's not an overreaction, that's a fact.
You have serious issues.

[dantheman4248]

I'll wait until the end of May. Sorry you're not getting your handout.

Its a tax advance, not a handout. It will be paid back by the same americans who get it. And I don't need it, but there are so many americans that do. But we would rather bail out the banks who refuse to give out small business loans than bail out the people. Because trickle down economics magic.

[dantheman4248]

Yea, yea ... whatever.

Follow the money.

[dawgday166]

Its a tax advance, not a handout. It will be paid back by the same americans who get it. And I don't need it, but there are so many americans that do. But we would rather bail out the banks who refuse to give out small business loans than bail out the people. Because trickle down economics magic.

You don't need it? Are you working full-time?

[dantheman4248]

You don't need it? Are you working full-time?

Yes. Circling back to the fact that I work in healthcare.

[dawgday166]

Yes. Circling back to the fact that I work in healthcare.

So you'll take it then?

[dantheman4248]

So you'll take it then?

Take my money and have to give it back in a timely manner? If i receive it, Yes because I'll be looking to inject it back to local businesses and help the rebuild communities are going to go through.

If you're trying to pull some gotcha moment, I'm for UBI so why would I not support this and participate?

Just because Trump has signed off on an idea does not mean I fully hate the idea. Politics shouldn't be black and white. I think Trump's newest move today of defunding the WHO is a good one. Not for the reasons he said. He's extremely hypocritical and disingenuous by saying they downplayed it when they were almost two full months ahead of him. He should however be pressuring them into not bending to China's will. China is blatantly lying and causing massive worldwide death with their actions. The WHO bending to them makes it worse. I do wonder if that is Trump's true motive for defunding the WHO and he can't come out and say it so he's made up this other bs. That makes the most sense to me considering how blatantly dumb he sounds with his critique. But it is a move I support.

[shoeless joe]

Take my money and have to give it back in a timely manner? If i receive it, Yes because I'll be looking to inject it back to local businesses and help the rebuild communities are going to go through.

If you're trying to pull some gotcha moment, I'm for UBI so why would I not support this and participate?

Just because Trump has signed off on an idea does not mean I fully hate the idea. Politics shouldn't be black and white. I think Trump's newest move today of defunding the WHO is a good one. Not for the reasons he said. He's extremely hypocritical and disingenuous by saying they downplayed it when they were almost two full months ahead of him. He should however be pressuring them into not bending to China's will. China is blatantly lying and causing massive worldwide death with their actions. The WHO bending to them makes it worse. I do wonder if that is Trump's true motive for defunding the WHO and he can't come out and say it so he's made up this other bs. That makes the most sense to me considering how blatantly dumb he sounds with his critique. But it is a move I support.

Didn?t the WHO tweet mid January That there was no evidence of human to human transmission? Didn?t trump close off China end of January??? In other words they weren?t even 2 weeks ahead...much less months.

And before your retort I?ll remind you I?m not a big trump fan...but I?m also not a think I?m smarter than everyone liberal.

[dantheman4248]

Didn?t the WHO tweet mid January That there was no evidence of human to human transmission? Didn?t trump close off China end of January??? In other words they weren?t even 2 weeks ahead...much less months.

And before your retort I?ll remind you I?m not a big trump fan...but I?m also not a think I?m smarter than everyone liberal.

By January 23rd the WHO said the global risk to this was high. By January 30th they considered this a global health emergency.

Donald Trump did not publicly take this seriously until March 13th when he finally called this a national emergency.

They were almost two full months ahead of him. And that's operating with the bad data from China that they had gotten. (Which is why I'm for defunding them.)

These are all easily verifiable dates. That's almost 2 full months.

Trump did not suspend all travel from China. That is a bold faced lie. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trump-biden-spin-china-travel-restrictions/ There is an article outlining the facts of the matter. To note, Biden lied with his comments this weekend as well. But that's not the point to discuss. The point is that the president is bold face lying. He was not ahead of the curve nor was he going against almost everyone's suggestions.

"As we have written, Trump was wrong to call the policy a “travel ban” or to claim that he “closed up” all travel between the countries. There were exceptions, including for Americans and their family members and for trade. Trump also has repeatedly and misleadingly cast his decision to impose the travel restrictions as a “bold” move made “against the advice of almost everybody.” Azar said the decision stemmed from “the uniform recommendations of the career public health officials here at HHS.”"

This isn't me saying "i'm smarter than everyone", this is... "how can you be this willfully ignorant"?

Here is an article of strictly his quotes. No bias. No analysis. Simply Donald J. Trump. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/timeline-president-donald-trump-changing-statements-on-coronavirus/

Highlights included for those who won't click the link:

February 10th: "I had a long talk with President Xi — for the people in this room — two nights ago, and he feels very confident. He feels very confident. And he feels that, again, as I mentioned, by April or during the month of April, the heat, generally speaking, kills this kind of virus,"

February 26th: "when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done,"

March 4th: "Yeah, I think where these people are flying, it's safe to fly. And large portions of the world are very safe to fly."

March 6th: "Anybody that wants a test can get a test. ... The tests are all perfect,"

March 12th: "I mean, think of it: The United States, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point. Other countries that are smaller countries have many, many deaths. Thirty-two is a lot. Thirty-two is too many. But when you look at the kind of numbers that you're seeing coming out of other countries, it's pretty amazing when you think of it. So, that's it."

March 13th: Declared national emergency.

March 24th: 65k cases in US, "There is tremendous hope as we look forward and we begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel."

April 3rd: "I said it was going away - and it is going away."

[Commercecomet24]

Mods Y'all need to move this thread to the political board or just kill it altogether.

[Pinto]

Mods Y'all need to move this thread to the political board or just kill it altogether.

Yes, this please.

[StateDawg44]

John Prine died today from COVID. My musical hero. As good as a songwriter as there every was IMHO

Damn I didn't know this.

That's terrible news and maybe one of the first things we've agreed on in this thread.

[Tough Dawg]

Agreed on shutting this thread down or moving. It served it's purpose, but is now useless and annoying.

[Extendedcab]

You're looking at Putin, not Hitler. This is the most clear step he has followed Putin under and dare I say he is now more powerful than Putin. Russia's budget revenue is equivalent to 200 billion dollars. Control over that is how Putin controls big business in Russia and thusly everything else. Giving Trump free reign over TEN TIMES that amount is scary. That amount is equal to over half the yearly US budget.

And yes, the IGs get to appoint the next one, but Trump will simply remove whoever doesn't toe the line.

We're in a dictatorship and Donald Trump is the most powerful man in the history of the world. That's not an overreaction, that's a fact.

Says the man that is pro communism! Yep you are once again pulling politics in to this thread! Do you ever learn?

[yjnkdawg]

Mods Y'all need to move this thread to the political board or just kill it altogether.

I agree 100% , CC. It's no longer useful and hasn't been for a while.

[msstate7]

IHME down to ~ 60k deaths now

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

[dantheman4248]

Lack of available testing could still be the cause of the drop in "overall deaths."

New York has stopped testing non-confirmed dead at this point. Yet people are dying at home tenfold. https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1247155576221716480

UT Austin put out a study saying that if there's just 1 case confirmed in the county then there is a 51% chance of an outbreak. They also seem to think that 1 in 10 cases are reported. (Which does help the death rate lower significantly. But how many of those other 9 end up like those in NY where they die untested?)

https://cid.utexas.edu/sites/default/files/cid/files/covid-risk-maps_counties_4.3.2020.pdf?m=1585958755

[hacker]

Some new data from MS:

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/images/graphics/covid19-chart-cases-by-race-07.png

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/images/graphics/covid19-chart-deaths-by-race-07.png

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/images/graphics/covid19-chart-deaths-by-race-preconditions-07.png

[Johnson85]

Take my money and have to give it back in a timely manner? If i receive it, Yes because I'll be looking to inject it back to local businesses and help the rebuild communities are going to go through.

If you're trying to pull some gotcha moment, I'm for UBI so why would I not support this and participate?

Just because Trump has signed off on an idea does not mean I fully hate the idea. Politics shouldn't be black and white. I think Trump's newest move today of defunding the WHO is a good one. Not for the reasons he said. He's extremely hypocritical and disingenuous by saying they downplayed it when they were almost two full months ahead of him. He should however be pressuring them into not bending to China's will. China is blatantly lying and causing massive worldwide death with their actions. The WHO bending to them makes it worse. I do wonder if that is Trump's true motive for defunding the WHO and he can't come out and say it so he's made up this other bs. That makes the most sense to me considering how blatantly dumb he sounds with his critique. But it is a move I support.

It is not a loan. It is an actual credit. It is called an advance because it is a credit for your 2020 taxes, but you get it right now. The only way it will be an "loan", maybe, is if you qualify for the credit based on your 2018 tax return (or 2019 tax return if it's already filed) but then you don't qualify based on your 2020 taxes. I assume if you end up not qualifying on your 2020 tax return it will make your 2020 taxes higher but I haven't been able to verify yet. I'm interested b/c had some one time issues make us eligible based on our 2018 tax return but won't be eligible based on 2020 unless we have some unfortunate surprises between now and the end of the year.

[hacker]

IHME down to ~ 60k deaths now

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

I think we'll be at 50k in a couple weeks. Would have to fall off quick to stop at 60k.

[msstate7]

IHME says ~ 300 deaths in miss by August 4th

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/mississippi

[msstate7]

I think we'll be at 50k in a couple weeks. Would have to fall off quick to stop at 60k.

2 weeks, April 22nd? I'd take the under on that

[hacker]

2 weeks, April 22nd? I'd take the under on that

Here's my quick reasoning:

Death is a lagging indicator. It usually takes 2-4 weeks to die from this disease. What was happening with new cases 2-4 weeks ago? They were growing exponentially.

2000 people died yesterday. Even if that number stayed the same for 2 weeks, we'd still be at 41k deaths. But I do expect the daily deaths to go above 2000. 2500 a day for 14 days would put us at 48k.

[Maroonthirteen]

It is not a loan. It is an actual credit. It is called an advance because it is a credit for your 2020 taxes, but you get it right now. The only way it will be an "loan", maybe, is if you qualify for the credit based on your 2018 tax return (or 2019 tax return if it's already filed) but then you don't qualify based on your 2020 taxes. I assume if you end up not qualifying on your 2020 tax return it will make your 2020 taxes higher but I haven't been able to verify yet. I'm interested b/c had some one time issues make us eligible based on our 2018 tax return but won't be eligible based on 2020 unless we have some unfortunate surprises between now and the end of the year.

You're right. It is a refundable tax credit. It isn't a loan. You don't pay it back if you're not eligible in 2020.

[Turfdawg67]

If you don't like this thread, why do you keep clicking on it?

[hacker]

You're right. It is a refundable tax credit. It isn't a loan. You don't pay it back if you're not eligible in 2020.

I think he means "loan" in the sense that there's like $1.5 trillion of other funds in the stimulus that we're on the hook for as taxpayers

[turkish]

I think he means "loan" in the sense that there's like $1.5 trillion of other funds in the stimulus that we're on the hook for as taxpayers
Yep, that?s kinda how it works for those that pay taxes. For those that pay a lot, this is an assessment.

[Jack Lambert]

Says the man that is pro communism! Yep you are once again pulling politics in to this thread! Do you ever learn?

You have to have a basic understanding of a typical Trump hater. The end justifies the means. Just ignore them and move on.

[dantheman4248]

You have to have a basic understanding of a typical Trump hater. The end justifies the means. Just ignore them and move on.


Says the man that is pro communism! Yep you are once again pulling politics in to this thread! Do you ever learn?

Can you explain how what Trump did is a good thing in regards to this virus and the structure of our government or are you just going to continue making ad hominem attacks?

Best case scenario, Trump delayed the rollout of the relief package. BEST. CASE. SCENARIO. Please explain to me how you think this is a good move.

It's telling that all anyone has done is made ad hominem attacks and complained that their shouldn't be politics on here when this issue directly relates to the virus and American's wallets.

[Homedawg]

Its a tax advance, not a handout. It will be paid back by the same americans who get it. And I don't need it, but there are so many americans that do. But we would rather bail out the banks who refuse to give out small business loans than bail out the people. Because trickle down economics magic.

What a DA. You have zero clue.

[gtowndawg]

Mods Y'all need to move this thread to the political board or just kill it altogether.

Amen!

[Matt3467]

Yes. Circling back to the fact that I work in healthcare.

Dantheman4248 - "Speaking as someone who DOES work in healthcare... the guy Beardo responded to definitely doesn't actually do anything healthcare related. He probably works as a janitor/maintenance in a hospital and calls that healthcare. No way he's "on the front lines". (For the record, I'm not either.)"

I've asked you a few times already what it is that you do in healthcare since you had no problem attacking and discrediting me for saying I worked as a RN and you've not responded. You've called me a liar and said you actually do work in healthcare. You didn't like that it was possible that a front line healthcare worker could have a different viewpoint than you. I'm glad other people are seeing how out of touch you are.

[Extendedcab]

What a DA. You have zero clue.

The problem is he does not understand that he does not understand. Can't teach someone like that! No amount of explanation on this forum will change that. Instead of going to a truly political forum he continues to spew his vitriolic opinions and ignorance, which have been disproved many times here and even more thoroughly throughout history, here.

[dantheman4248]

Dantheman4248 - "Speaking as someone who DOES work in healthcare... the guy Beardo responded to definitely doesn't actually do anything healthcare related. He probably works as a janitor/maintenance in a hospital and calls that healthcare. No way he's "on the front lines". (For the record, I'm not either.)"

I've asked you a few times already what it is that you do in healthcare since you had no problem attacking and discrediting me for saying I worked as a RN and you've not responded. You've called me a liar and said you actually do work in healthcare. You didn't like that it was possible that a front line healthcare worker could have a different viewpoint than you. I'm glad other people are seeing how out of touch you are.

I don't like that a "front line health worker" would say the hysteria is solely due to the media. Hopefully by now you have changed your tune.

Without getting into specifics, I work with data, analytics, and emrs to help better streamline patient care across all fronts. I'm privy to some of the data and stats that I'm continually told on here that I have no clue about or am a dumbass.

I'm not the one out of touch. It's actually really rich for someone who blamed the media to say that. I'm curious if you still hold that opinion or you have gathered more data and changed your tune. I hope so.

[dantheman4248]

The problem is he does not understand that he does not understand. Can't teach someone like that! No amount of explanation on this forum will change that. Instead of going to a truly political forum he continues to spew his vitriolic opinions and ignorance, which have been disproved many times here and even more thoroughly throughout history, here.

I've told you that communism fails every time in history. Don't know what "vitriolic opinions and ignorance" I have that are disproven throughout history. I believe heaven is communist, one being has all the power and everyone else submits and is given equal utopia. I believe that humans can never achieve that because for communism to work, the ruling class has to be pure. Never will happen. But I also think that we can strive towards being better towards our fellow man. How we turn and hate the poor for not having money and being unable to contribute to society is silly when juxtaposed with how we hate the hoarders of toilet paper in this pandemic. Everyone needs TP. Everyone needs wealth. Why is one okay to hoard but the other not?

[Coldsleeve Jr.]

Yes trump removed oversight on the distribution of two trillion of America's money because he doesn't think this will last past the end of May. That's solely why.

This dude just removed checks and balances from our government over distributing 2 trillion dollars and you're justifying it. He just took the biggest step towards dictatorship that he has yet. But you're going to defend it.

Please, someone logically explain why we SHOULDNT be vehemently disapproving this? Instead of ad hominem attacks about how I'm "chicken little" how about debating the issue? I'll wait.

Do you think no one is filling that role? Seriously is that what you think?

There is a freaking Pandemic Response Accountability Committee. ONE of the people on that committee is being replaced and you're claiming Trump is removing oversight altogether? Are you serious? Change the channel.

Oversight is still being done by the same committee minus 1 human who will be replaced.

[Extendedcab]

I've told you that communism fails every time in history. Don't know what "vitriolic opinions and ignorance" I have that are disproven throughout history. I believe heaven is communist, one being has all the power and everyone else submits and is given equal utopia. I believe that humans can never achieve that because for communism to work, the ruling class has to be pure. Never will happen. But I also think that we can strive towards being better towards our fellow man. How we turn and hate the poor for not having money and being unable to contribute to society is silly when juxtaposed with how we hate the hoarders of toilet paper in this pandemic. Everyone needs TP. Everyone needs wealth. Why is one okay to hoard but the other not?

So Sorry for falling for his bait, but you were the one touting Communism as the preferred government on a previous post in this very thread! The very ground you are standing on shifts with every post! Please take this elsewhere!!!

[turkish]

I don't like that a "front line health worker" would say the hysteria is solely due to the
Without getting into specifics, I work with data, analytics, and emrs to help better streamline patient care across all fronts.
^^ That’s not “working in healthcare.”

[dantheman4248]

Do you think no one is filling that role? Seriously is that what you think?

There is a freaking Pandemic Response Accountability Committee. ONE of the people on that committee is being replaced and you're claiming Trump is removing oversight altogether? Are you serious? Change the channel.

Oversight is still being done by the same committee minus 1 human who will be replaced.

And if that person doesn't do trump's bidding, he'll be removed. Then we'll be delayed even more. Until "Democrats stop blocking Trump trying to distribute the bill as soon as possible because the American people".

[dantheman4248]

^^ That’s not “working in healthcare.”

Explain how. I said before that I wasn't working on the front-lines. There is a lot more to healthcare than nurses and doctors.

[Coldsleeve Jr.]

And if that person doesn't do trump's bidding, he'll be removed. Then we'll be delayed even more. Until "Democrats stop blocking Trump trying to distribute the bill as soon as possible because the American people".

You're just making stuff up now. You asked for a good reason and I gave you one. Apparently you thought this 1 human was solely responsible for oversight and no other human on the planet could fill the role. TDS in full action

[dantheman4248]

You're just making stuff up now. You asked for a good reason and I gave you one. Apparently you thought this 1 human was solely responsible for oversight and no other human on the planet could fill the role. TDS in full action

You didn't give a good reason for why we shouldn't disapprove, you attacked why I think we should vehemently disapprove. The best case scenario is that this delays rollout of the bill. Which is absolutely terrible in and of itself. What is the good reason for removing this guy? What different criteria does the same committee need to appoint someone else by to appease the Dictator so we don't have another person removed?

[yjnkdawg]

Can you explain how what Trump did is a good thing in regards to this virus and the structure of our government or are you just going to continue making ad hominem attacks?

Best case scenario, Trump delayed the rollout of the relief package. BEST. CASE. SCENARIO. Please explain to me how you think this is a good move.

It's telling that all anyone has done is made ad hominem attacks and complained that their shouldn't be politics on here when this issue directly relates to the virus and American's wallets.



It could be that the OP who initiated this thread (not you) requested that politics be left out of this thread and on this particular board politics is not allowed. Maybe you have a better synopsis?

[Coldsleeve Jr.]

You didn't give a good reason for why we shouldn't disapprove, you attacked why I think we should vehemently disapprove. The best case scenario is that this delays rollout of the bill. Which is absolutely terrible in and of itself. What is the good reason for removing this guy? What different criteria does the same committee need to appoint someone else by to appease the Dictator so we don't have another person removed?

We shouldn't disapprove bc there's an entire committee doing it, not 1 human as you've suggested.

Perhaps the president doesn't want someone leading that committee that staged false claims that led to a phony impeachment scam that took the attention away from covid19. Dictatorship LMFAO

[turkish]

Explain how. I said before that I wasn't working on the front-lines. There is a lot more to healthcare than nurses and doctors.
When will you tell us that you are the humblest person you know?

[shoeless joe]

I will be interested to know how this years death total will compare to all other years

[Jack Lambert]

I will be interested to know how this years death total will compare to all other years

I think death totals will be down. The lady doctor (I can't spell Name) said yesterday that if someone test positive for the virus and dies regardless if it was a heart attack, cancer, or what ever they count it as Corona death. Other nation do not do that. They only count them if the virus actually kills the person. This why you are seeing such high number of deaths. If we counted like other nations this would seen near as bad.

The reason why I think death total will be down is partly because of that and less other diseases that are caught person to person are going to be down and less accidents.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Speaking as someone who DOES work in healthcare... the guy Beardo responded to definitely doesn't actually do anything healthcare related. He probably works as a janitor/maintenance in a hospital and calls that healthcare. No way he's "on the front lines". (For the record, I'm not either.)


Explain how. I said before that I wasn't working on the front-lines. There is a lot more to healthcare than nurses and doctors.

So you analyzing health data is "working in healthcare", but someone like a janitor or maintenance tech who actually works in a hospital is not considered "working in healthcare"?

I can guarantee you that those housekeepers cleaning rooms are on the "front lines". They may not be as intimately related as respiratory therapists, nurses, MDs, etc. but they are a lot damn closer to the action than you are....

[turkish]

^^ He gets it.

[chef dixon]

I think death totals will be down. The lady doctor (I can't spell Name) said yesterday that if someone test positive for the virus and dies regardless if it was a heart attack, cancer, or what ever they count it as Corona death. Other nation do not do that. They only count them if the virus actually kills the person. This why you are seeing such high number of deaths. If we counted like other nations this would seen near as bad.

The reason why I think death total will be down is partly because of that and less other diseases that are caught person to person are going to be down and less accidents.

While true to a degree, its fairly easy to delineate whether or not something like COVID-19 was the primary driver in the patients ultimate demise. Not many people are going to be coming in with a presenting diagnosis of heart attack and even be tested for COVID-19. Death certificates actually ask for the primary diagnosis for cause of death that a physician has to fill out. Obviously a lot of long-term diseases put you at higher risk to die from an infection like this, but its ultimately what is tipping most of these people over and I'd bet our numbers are fairly accurate.

[deadheaddawg]

I think death totals will be down. The lady doctor (I can't spell Name) said yesterday that if someone test positive for the virus and dies regardless if it was a heart attack, cancer, or what ever they count it as Corona death. Other nation do not do that. They only count them if the virus actually kills the person. This why you are seeing such high number of deaths. If we counted like other nations this would seen near as bad.

The reason why I think death total will be down is partly because of that and less other diseases that are caught person to person are going to be down and less accidents.

That is probably happening. As is people dying at home of COVID 19 and not being counted. NYC most likely has under reported the totals. So the total death count could actually be lower or higher than what ends up getting reported. But I doubt it would be much in either direction. The reported numbers are probably close enough once after ones that arnt being counted and shouldn't be counted balance out.

I hate to see politics get so driven into this issue about under and overreporting. We have a lot of people on one side saying "the numbers are inflated" and a lot of people on the other side saying "the numbers are deflated". Both are most likely true. And it really shouldn't become a big talking point. The issues of total deaths not being accurate isn't based on politics like a lot of the other issues. It just depends on where the death occurs and how they are handling it there