The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[starkvegasdawg]

https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/coronavirus-could-be-spreading-through-farts-says-doctor/ar-BB12GLUT?ocid=sf2

Really bad news!

So tossing salads is out?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5dwN9TsK4lo

[Joebob]

Worth a read from arguably the most respected pathologist in the country.

https://pg-share.newsslide.com/a1d03c00-e457-4829-8a32-c8690496e9c8/f20bb08a-7d22-402f-897e-d85bf9a5bb5a/#.Xr3kkPNBLRF.facebook

I guess I?m not seeng the panic and hysteria this doctor keeps talking about. I?ve seen plenty of people that are excessively cautious, joggers with masks are an example, but I?d rather have that than people that take no precautions at all. State and local governments have issued what seems like draconian shutdowns to many, but I?d probably have done much the same if I had their responsibilities on my shoulders, especially with a brand new pathogen that we had very little information about. People keep saying we need to open things up, but isn?t that what we?re doing? You can debate how fast we should try to return to normal, but the overwhelming majority of people think we should proceed cautiously, so they?re going to be cautious no matter what the government allows them to do. The people that are in a hurry are just going to have to live with that. If we try to go too fast and end up with a more serious second wave, everyone will pay the price for that. As for the people that think we should just isolate the vulnerable and everyone else just jump back into their normal routine, sorry, the world doesn?t work like that. Besides, there?s not nearly as many people willing to do that as you think there are. They?re just the ones yelling the loudest.

[confucius say]

I would think it's 65-35 with the 65 being in favor opening everything up with measures in place and vulnerable citizens staying sheltered.

[Liverpooldawg]

I guess I?m not seeng the panic and hysteria this doctor keeps talking about. I?ve seen plenty of people that are excessively cautious, joggers with masks are an example, but I?d rather have that than people that take no precautions at all. State and local governments have issued what seems like draconian shutdowns to many, but I?d probably have done much the same if I had their responsibilities on my shoulders, especially with a brand new pathogen that we had very little information about. People keep saying we need to open things up, but isn?t that what we?re doing? You can debate how fast we should try to return to normal, but the overwhelming majority of people think we should proceed cautiously, so they?re going to be cautious no matter what the government allows them to do. The people that are in a hurry are just going to have to live with that. If we try to go too fast and end up with a more serious second wave, everyone will pay the price for that. As for the people that think we should just isolate the vulnerable and everyone else just jump back into their normal routine, sorry, the world doesn?t work like that. Besides, there?s not nearly as many people willing to do that as you think there are. They?re just the ones yelling the loudest.

Exactly

[Liverpooldawg]

I would think it's 65-35 with the 65 being in favor opening everything up with measures in place and vulnerable citizens staying sheltered.

Polls say otherwise. The majority thinks we are moving too fast. If it backfires there will be a lot of politicians looking for new jobs in the next election cycle.

[Commercecomet24]

I guess I?m not seeng the panic and hysteria this doctor keeps talking about. I?ve seen plenty of people that are excessively cautious, joggers with masks are an example, but I?d rather have that than people that take no precautions at all. State and local governments have issued what seems like draconian shutdowns to many, but I?d probably have done much the same if I had their responsibilities on my shoulders, especially with a brand new pathogen that we had very little information about. People keep saying we need to open things up, but isn?t that what we?re doing? You can debate how fast we should try to return to normal, but the overwhelming majority of people think we should proceed cautiously, so they?re going to be cautious no matter what the government allows them to do. The people that are in a hurry are just going to have to live with that. If we try to go too fast and end up with a more serious second wave, everyone will pay the price for that. As for the people that think we should just isolate the vulnerable and everyone else just jump back into their normal routine, sorry, the world doesn?t work like that. Besides, there?s not nearly as many people willing to do that as you think there are. They?re just the ones yelling the loudest.

You might want to read up on Cyril Wecht before you call him just this doctor. I guarantee he's forgot more than most of us will ever know. If he has an opinion best to listen. He's also in Pennsylvania where they are pretty much under draconian rule right now.

[dawgday166]

Polls say otherwise. The majority thinks we are moving too fast. If it backfires there will be a lot of politicians looking for new jobs in the next election cycle.

I believe we should stay shut down too ... as long as all the essential good and services folks (you know, like grocery stores and such) are allowed to sit home too so they can stay safe with the rest of us.

Then we'll find out how fast people's minds would change on that.

[msstate7]

I believe we should stay shut down too ... as long as all the essential good and services folks (you know, like grocery stores and such) are allowed to sit home too so they can stay safe with the rest of us.

Then we'll find out how fast people's minds would change on that.

Yeah, I'm not willing to risk it, but Walmart employees better**

[hacker]

I would think it's 65-35 with the 65 being in favor opening everything up with measures in place and vulnerable citizens staying sheltered.

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/coronavirus_polling.png

[Liverpooldawg]

I believe we should stay shut down too ... as long as all the essential good and services folks (you know, like grocery stores and such) are allowed to sit home too so they can stay safe with the rest of us.

Then we'll find out how fast people's minds would change on that.

I think we need to go beyond that, slowly.

[msstate7]

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/coronavirus_polling.png

Just read article with 2 of the poll questions in it. The question polled was...

"Do you think it?s a good idea or a bad idea to do each of the following without further testing for the coronavirus?"

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/29/847517729/poll-half-of-americans-financially-affected-by-coronavirus

The "further testing" is a pretty big part of that question. Whoever put that graphic together left that off for some reason

[dawgday166]

Just read article with 2 of the poll questions in it. The question polled was...

"Do you think it?s a good idea or a bad idea to do each of the following without further testing for the coronavirus?"

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/29/847517729/poll-half-of-americans-financially-affected-by-coronavirus

The "further testing" is a pretty big part of that question. Whoever put that graphic together left that off for some reason

I M A G I N E T H A T !!!

Probably a group composed that poll consisting of deadhead, dano, hacker, Liverpool, etc. They on the NPR board ain't they ***** And they got the results they wanted haha.

So we started out trying to flatten the curve so healthcare didn't get overwhelmed. All those military hospitals Cuomo requested were put up and would hold several hundred maybe thousands of folks and only 37 ever entered them I believe. Trump responded quickly on those. All the vents Cuomo said he needed ... didn't need them. But Trump doing horrible job .. yes he is ****

Why is he doing a horrible job ... cause now we gotta have a vaccine before we open back up.

[Cooterpoot]

Polls say otherwise. The majority thinks we are moving too fast. If it backfires there will be a lot of politicians looking for new jobs in the next election cycle.

Polls also said Hillary would win big...

[Commercecomet24]

Polls also said Hillary would win big...

Yep. You can get literally any kind of poll results you want by who you ask and how the questions are asked.

[Cooterpoot]

Open this whole mutha17er up and roll. One hospital in my group has had 1 death only of patients on vents. One.....
Take measures and move forward.

[confucius say]

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/coronavirus_polling.png

That graphic is fake news and you know it. Just like 7 explained above. See response to Liverpool below for request.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/despite-widespread-economic-hardship-most-americans-not-ready-to-reopen-poll-says

[confucius say]

Polls say otherwise. The majority thinks we are moving too fast. If it backfires there will be a lot of politicians looking for new jobs in the next election cycle.

Cite please. I've not found a single recent poll that says a geographically-balanced majority of Americans disagree with reopening with proper measures in place and vulnerable populations remaining sheltered.

[Percho]

So tossing salads is out?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5dwN9TsK4lo

Everybody needs to start burning them!

[Commercecomet24]

Everybody needs to start burning them!

Best advice in this whole thread lol!

[yjnkdawg]

I M A G I N E T H A T !!!

Probably a group composed that poll consisting of deadhead, dano, hacker, Liverpool, etc. They on the NPR board ain't they ***** And they got the results they wanted haha.


And for that legitimate unbiased poll*** (what a joke) Add in "Compiled with the help from HuffPost Polling Editor" and then look at who posted it on here. That should tell everyone all they need to know. More agenda driven garbage.

[yjnkdawg]

Just read article with 2 of the poll questions in it. The question polled was...

"Do you think it?s a good idea or a bad idea to do each of the following without further testing for the coronavirus?"

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/29/847517729/poll-half-of-americans-financially-affected-by-coronavirus

The "further testing" is a pretty big part of that question. Whoever put that graphic together left that off for some reason



Compiled with the help from HuffPost Polling Editor

[confucius say]

I don't have a problem with the poll being posted, but let's be up front about what the poll says, what exactly was asked, where those polled reside, etc

[defiantdog]

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/coronavirus_polling.png
The font alone in your graphic tells me not to trust these numbers.

[Cooterpoot]

I'd say Thailand has the answer. LOL, Nasal irrigation...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/this-one-habit-is-why-thailand-has-so-few-covid-cases-doctor-says/ar-BB14aOJi

[msstate7]

Who knows if this is completely true or not (Facebook), but I did find it interesting...

https://www.facebook.com/1072272404/posts/10219662476807100/?d=n

[msstate7]

Now a plan that can get us back going https://babylonbee.com/news/some-states-to-require-people-going-outside-to-run-around-in-giant-hamster-balls?utm_content=bufferdb64d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[dawgday166]

Now a plan that can get us back going https://babylonbee.com/news/some-states-to-require-people-going-outside-to-run-around-in-giant-hamster-balls?utm_content=bufferdb64d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Seems like a good plan. That Michigan governor is freaking brilliant. **

[DownwardDawg]

Bump

[dantheman4248]

Bump

Have a feeling in 3 weeks we're gonna hear Trump beat the Rona. Why else is he taking the hydro stuff if he doesn't have it. Also him being called morbidly obese by Pelosi is gonna cause and entertaining reaction from him. I've got popcorn on deck for the meltdown about how BMI is fake news.

[Cooterpoot]

Got confirmation this week that my dad, who is in a LTCF has Covid. He's not been himself for a few years and has declined a lot the last year. It's just a matter of time in one of those places no matter the cause.

[msstate7]

Got confirmation this week that my dad, who is in a LTCF has Covid. He's not been himself for a few years and has declined a lot the last year. It's just a matter of time in one of those places no matter the cause.

Sorry to hear that. Prayers

[Commercecomet24]

Got confirmation this week that my dad, who is in a LTCF has Covid. He's not been himself for a few years and has declined a lot the last year. It's just a matter of time in one of those places no matter the cause.

Sorry to hear that man. I lost my father in law last week. Been suffering from alzheimers for a little over year. I'll be praying for you.

[confucius say]

Got confirmation this week that my dad, who is in a LTCF has Covid. He's not been himself for a few years and has declined a lot the last year. It's just a matter of time in one of those places no matter the cause.

Sorry brother. Stay strong and hope your family is okay.

[msstate7]

Maybe kemp should be in charge of when to open things up...

https://i.postimg.cc/FK2FXLyk/C86-C227-A-BF8-B-474-C-8512-03499-C8-D4226.jpg (https://postimg.cc/jW4YzCkR)

This is a graph of 7-day averages in Georgia. That peak is April 22nd, which is 2 days before Georgia reopened among controversy. It appears Kemp is due some apologies considering Georgia has now been open closing in on a month.

https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report

[Commercecomet24]

Maybe kemp should be in charge of when to open things up...

https://i.postimg.cc/FK2FXLyk/C86-C227-A-BF8-B-474-C-8512-03499-C8-D4226.jpg (https://postimg.cc/jW4YzCkR)

This is a graph of 7-day averages in Georgia. That peak is April 22nd, which is 2 days before Georgia reopened among controversy. It appears Kemp is due some apologies considering Georgia has now been open closing in on a month.

https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report

Good stuff, 7.

[confucius say]

Is there a MS graph like that 7?

[msstate7]

Is there a MS graph like that 7?

I don't know where if it is

[turkish]

Don’t wanna jinx it. Hope the trend in GA continues.

[Liverpooldawg]

Georgia has a 14 day delay in reporting. We will see.

[msstate7]

Georgia has a 14 day delay in reporting. We will see.

Not all tests are delayed 14 days. It's been 26 days since Georgia opened. It may explode any day now, but nothing supports that

[dawgday166]

Trump taking hydroxy. Pelosi says she don't think it's a good idea while secretly wishing he keels over dead *

[Commercecomet24]

Not all tests are delayed 14 days. It's been 26 days since Georgia opened. It may explode any day now, but nothing supports that

Yep.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Maybe kemp should be in charge of when to open things up...

https://i.postimg.cc/FK2FXLyk/C86-C227-A-BF8-B-474-C-8512-03499-C8-D4226.jpg (https://postimg.cc/jW4YzCkR)

This is a graph of 7-day averages in Georgia. That peak is April 22nd, which is 2 days before Georgia reopened among controversy. It appears Kemp is due some apologies considering Georgia has now been open closing in on a month.

https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report


Don?t wanna jinx it. Hope the trend in GA continues.


Georgia has a 14 day delay in reporting. We will see.

Ya'll are slipping! You didn't see the report that GA was fudging the numbers by putting dates in the wrong order so they could show a declining graph to support reopening????

I'm not saying reopening is a bad decision, but you don't want MS government putting data together like GA. Feel free to read the Atlanta Journal article linked below.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/just-cuckoo-state-latest-data-mishap-causes-critics-cry-foul/182PpUvUX9XEF8vO11NVGO/amp.html

[msstate7]

Ya'll are slipping! You didn't see the report that GA was fudging the numbers by putting dates in the wrong order so they could show a declining graph to support reopening????

I'm not saying reopening is a bad decision, but you don't want MS government putting data together like GA. Feel free to read the Atlanta Journal article linked below.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/just-cuckoo-state-latest-data-mishap-causes-critics-cry-foul/182PpUvUX9XEF8vO11NVGO/amp.html

Use AJC's tracking info then... hospitalization, daily cases, and deaths all showing downward trend.

https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus-georgia-covid-dashboard/jvoLBozRtBSVSNQDDAuZxH/

[BrunswickDawg]

Use AJC's tracking info then... hospitalization, daily cases, and deaths all showing downward trend.

https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus-georgia-covid-dashboard/jvoLBozRtBSVSNQDDAuZxH/

Down from peak for certain, but they actually look to have plateaued to me. That isn't a bad thing necessarily and jives with the goal of not stressing the medical system.

I'm going to be real interested to see what happens a couple of weeks from this weekend honestly. The tourists have invaded here the past two weeks building toward Memorial Day weekend. The coast has been a relative cool spot compared to Albany, Atlanta, and Athens (we've had 79 cases and 1 death in a population of 85,000 in Glynn County) - but the ATL is our main tourist base. With it opened up and us getting an influx of outsiders, will we see a spike locally? If we don't, I'll feel much better about this getting back to normal sooner rather than later.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Use AJC's tracking info then... hospitalization, daily cases, and deaths all showing downward trend.

https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus-georgia-covid-dashboard/jvoLBozRtBSVSNQDDAuZxH/

I'm not saying cases aren't down, as quite honestly I don't really care at this point. What I was saying was that the state government justified reopening when it did (since it was the first one) by using "fabricated" data points. The governor doesn't come out and apologize if the numbers at the time would have backed his decision.

On a separate (but similar note), FL just fired the person responsible for calculating and publishing their numbers. She says it's because she wouldn't manipulate the data; they say it was for insubordination.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article242851256.html

The fact remains, this epidemic is very political. I'm more worried about accurate data than anything else. If that is being censored in any way, then we have bigger worries than just the virus.

[Johnson85]

This is a pretty interesting read on how Florida did a good job managing coronavirus and avoided the more disastrous policies pursued by places like New York, where they forced nursing homes to take back residents with Wuhan. https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/coronavirus-crisis-ron-desantis-florida-covid-19-strategy/

It's also another data point on how there are real, negative consequences to having a shitty media with major outlets dominated by partisanship. Had we had a media interested in things other than partisan narratives, it might have occurred to them to ask why Florida was taking a different approach, rather than just jumping to the orange man bad narrative. They might would have spread information that would have helped other states avoid the disastrous policies that Cuomo put in place. I recognize that kind of critical thinking is beyond the capabilities of most journalists, but there are exceptions but those exceptions do no good when they can't get any oxygen b/c it's all sucked up by the rest.

[msstate7]

This is a pretty interesting read on how Florida did a good job managing coronavirus and avoided the more disastrous policies pursued by places like New York, where they forced nursing homes to take back residents with Wuhan. https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/coronavirus-crisis-ron-desantis-florida-covid-19-strategy/

It's also another data point on how there are real, negative consequences to having a shitty media with major outlets dominated by partisanship. Had we had a media interested in things other than partisan narratives, it might have occurred to them to ask why Florida was taking a different approach, rather than just jumping to the orange man bad narrative. They might would have spread information that would have helped other states avoid the disastrous policies that Cuomo put in place. I recognize that kind of critical thinking is beyond the capabilities of most journalists, but there are exceptions but those exceptions do no good when they can't get any oxygen b/c it's all sucked up by the rest.

Nevertheless, Cuomo has been praised throughout

[Jack Lambert]

Nevertheless, Cuomo has been praised throughout

He will probably be sued over the nurshing home deal.

[Johnson85]

He will probably be sued over the nurshing home deal.

Nobody is going to get anywhere suing him. He's going to be immune. And supposedly New York put in immunity for nursing homes in one of their state stimulus bills. So they knew pretty early own that they 17ed up enough that they wanted to foreclose suits that would result in nursing homes pointing out their 17up.

The best families can hope for as far as holding him accountable is that his reputation will be trashed and his political career brought to an end. I'd say that's pretty unlikely to happen though.

[BoomBoom]

Use AJC's tracking info then... hospitalization, daily cases, and deaths all showing downward trend.

https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus-georgia-covid-dashboard/jvoLBozRtBSVSNQDDAuZxH/

That lines up with this data (taken with a large grain of salt like all polling data). What drives infection is individual behavior, not state policies. Georgia's infection rates didn't start dropping in the data until a month after people started social distancing. No reason to think an increase will show up in the data earlier than that after a plummet in social distancing. Now that those stay at home rates are likely plummeting, infection rates will surely follow in a couple weeks to a month.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-didnt-wait-for-their-governors-to-tell-them-to-stay-home-because-of-covid-19/

[DownwardDawg]

Nevertheless, Cuomo has been praised throughout

It’s crazy. He has done a horrible job. I’m not sure anyone could have done any worse than him.

[Jack Lambert]

Nobody is going to get anywhere suing him. He's going to be immune. And supposedly New York put in immunity for nursing homes in one of their state stimulus bills. So they knew pretty early own that they 17ed up enough that they wanted to foreclose suits that would result in nursing homes pointing out their 17up.

The best families can hope for as far as holding him accountable is that his reputation will be trashed and his political career brought to an end. I'd say that's pretty unlikely to happen though.

He can be sued.

[Liverpooldawg]

Mississippi hospital numbers had been doing well over the weekend, they are up so far this week, some of them fairly substantially.

[Liverpooldawg]

It’s crazy. He has done a horrible job. I’m not sure anyone could have done any worse than him.

The mayor of New York City gives him a run for his money

[Jack Lambert]

Things keep changing.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-now-says-coronavirus-does-not-spread-easily-via-contaminated-surfaces

[Dawg2003]

He will probably be sued over the nurshing home deal.

I don't understand the Cuomo thing. Nursing homes should be able to quarantine their own patients. You can't just have people taking up a hospital bed that don't meet the criteria for hospitalization.

[Dawg2003]

Mississippi hospital numbers had been doing well over the weekend, they are up so far this week, some of them fairly substantially.

I know UMMC has been busting at the seems as usual. My hospital is back on diversion after being off of it by canceling procedures. We've also had to close some beds on the weekend due to lack of staff.

[chef dixon]

In general, most people are not scared to go to their doctors appointments or seek emergency care like they were 1 month ago.

[Dawg2003]

In general, most people are not scared to go to their doctors appointments or seek emergency care like they were 1 month ago.

Yes, which is good. People were missing well checkups.

[Jack Lambert]

I don't understand the Cuomo thing. Nursing homes should be able to quarantine their own patients. You can't just have people taking up a hospital bed that don't meet the criteria for hospitalization.

The US Army built two 1000 bed hospitals and sent a ship with 900 hospital beds. Please don't try to defend a guy who probably cause 1000's of deaths.

[Dawg2003]

The US Army built two 1000 bed hospitals and sent a ship with 900 hospital beds. Please don't try to defend a guy who probably cause 1000's of deaths.

Nursing homes are medical facilities that quarantine their own patients and go on lockdown when there is a flu outbreak. The purpose of a hospital is not to quarantine patients. It's a waste of staff and resources to keep a patient in a hospital that doesn't meet criteria for hospitalization. Do you really think hospitals around here were keeping patients just to quarantine them? What do you think other hospitals were doing with nursing home patients?

Is there some other circumstance here? Did some nursing homes in NY say they were unable to quarantine?

[dawgday166]

Nursing homes are medical facilities that quarantine their own patients and go on lockdown when there is a flu outbreak. The purpose of a hospital is not to quarantine patients. It's a waste of staff and resources to keep a patient in a hospital that doesn't meet criteria for hospitalization. Do you really think hospitals around here were keeping patients just to quarantine them? What do you think other hospitals were doing with nursing home patients?

Is there some other circumstance here? Did some nursing homes in NY say they were unable to quarantine?

I think Jack is talking about the ones that died. They probably should've been in a hospital at some point but doesn't seem like they were or were allowed to be. And to be perfectly honest ... those folks were probably someone's grandpa or grandma.

Trump had done this ... he'd be crucified.

[Dawg2003]

I think Jack is talking about the ones that died. They probably should've been in a hospital at some point but doesn't seem like they were or were allowed to be. And to be perfectly honest ... those folks were probably someone's grandpa or grandma.

Trump had done this ... he'd be crucified.

Were people from nursing homes denied hospitalization when it was necessary? Everything I read on this is vague and doesn't give details.

[Johnson85]

I don't understand the Cuomo thing. Nursing homes should be able to quarantine their own patients. You can't just have people taking up a hospital bed that don't meet the criteria for hospitalization.

How many nursing homes have you been too? I haven't been to many, but out of the half dozen I've been to, there was one very high end one, that was really a senior living facility with a small nursing home (I'm guessing they might not even take people who weren't transitioning from their assisted living facility), I don't think they'd have the capabilities of quarantining residents, whether they should be able to or not.

It doesn't take hindsight that sending COVID positive people to nursing homes was likely to lead to breakouts. That's why at least a couple of government officials removed a parent from a nursing home even as they made the call to force nursing homes to take positive patients.

[Liverpooldawg]

Were people from nursing homes denied hospitalization when it was necessary? Everything I read on this is vague and doesn't give details.

It seems most of the LTC patients here in my part of MS that die from Coronavirus are dying in the LTC. I don't remember seeing that much with other things.

[msstate7]

Isn't the number of covid19 deaths around 40% from nursing homes?

[Cooterpoot]

It seems most of the LTC patients here in my part of MS that die from Coronavirus are dying in the LTC. I don't remember seeing that much with other things.

My dad was moved to the hospital immediately upon testing positive. Within 6 hours, the State contacted us as well. Hospital has him on zinc, Vitamins C & D, and Panquil.

[Commercecomet24]

My dad was moved to the hospital immediately upon testing positive. Within 6 hours, the State contacted us as well. Hospital has him on zinc, Vitamins C & D, and Panquil.

How's he doing? Treatments working well?

[Dawg2003]

How many nursing homes have you been too? I haven't been to many, but out of the half dozen I've been to, there was one very high end one, that was really a senior living facility with a small nursing home (I'm guessing they might not even take people who weren't transitioning from their assisted living facility), I don't think they'd have the capabilities of quarantining residents, whether they should be able to or not.

It doesn't take hindsight that sending COVID positive people to nursing homes was likely to lead to breakouts. That's why at least a couple of government officials removed a parent from a nursing home even as they made the call to force nursing homes to take positive patients.

If the nursing homes are saying they don't have the capability to quarantine their own patients, that's one thing. They should be able to do that though. They do it during flu outbreaks in nursing homes. I work in healthcare, so I've been to several nursing homes. We had a situation where a nursing home was refusing to take patients back, and the hospital told them needed to come pick the patients up. They came and got them. I'm not sure if they had 2 negative COVID tests yet. I'm just wondering if the Cuomo situation was similar.

[Dawg2003]

Isn't the number of covid19 deaths around 40% from nursing homes?

It was 49% last I looked. In Mississippi.

[msstate7]

It was 49% last I looked. In Mississippi.

Wow. I was referring to US though

[Dawg2003]

Wow. I was referring to US though

As of today in Mississippi, 570 total deaths. 289 from LTC facilities. If my math is correct, that is 50.7%.

[confucius say]

As of today in Mississippi, 570 total deaths. 289 from LTC facilities. If my math is correct, that is 50.7%.

I feel like this has been an underreported story.

It was 40% a month ago. So it is rising.

[Cooterpoot]

How's he doing? Treatments working well?

He's only about 3 days in and ok but it takes about a week for it to hit. I don't expect him to survive. He's had heart surgery, is diabetic, and they found a mass in his lungs when doing his chest X-ray. But I'm ok with it. Just hope it goes fast. He's been suffering for years with Alzheimer's, so this stuff is nothing. None of this stuff is worse than Alzheimer's, Nothing is.

[Cooterpoot]

Not enough measures are being taken in homes. You can't simply quarantine there. It's already been proven it doesn't work. People (workers included) aren't being tested daily as they should. The capability is there now. I personally know 7 people who have died in homes. The effort is half-assed.

[Commercecomet24]

He's only about 3 days in and ok but it takes about a week for it to hit. I don't expect him to survive. He's had heart surgery, is diabetic, and they found a mass in his lungs when doing his chest X-ray. But I'm ok with it. Just hope it goes fast. He's been suffering for years with Alzheimer's, so this stuff is nothing. None of this stuff is worse than Alzheimer's, Nothing is.

Man sorry to hear that. I agree on the Alzheimer's my father in law passed away 2 weeks ago and he's been suffering with it. Terrible, horrible disease! I'll be praying for him.

[turkish]

Were people from nursing homes denied hospitalization when it was necessary? Everything I read on this is vague and doesn't give details.
Sounds like a clue to me.

[Dawg2003]

He's only about 3 days in and ok but it takes about a week for it to hit. I don't expect him to survive. He's had heart surgery, is diabetic, and they found a mass in his lungs when doing his chest X-ray. But I'm ok with it. Just hope it goes fast. He's been suffering for years with Alzheimer's, so this stuff is nothing. None of this stuff is worse than Alzheimer's, Nothing is.

Alzheimer's is a horrid disease. I'm so sorry. I pray my parents don't get it.

[TUSK]

He's been suffering for years with Alzheimer's, so this stuff is nothing. None of this stuff is worse than Alzheimer's, Nothing is.

Dude, you. are. dead. effin. nuts. on.

My ole man died from that shit bout 6 years ago.

+1

[Dawg2003]

As of today in Mississippi, 570 total deaths. 289 from LTC facilities. If my math is correct, that is 50.7%.

We're actually at 580 deaths today so 49%.

[TheLostDawg]

https://images.app.goo.gl/NCTv6KJT8btQqskJ9

[Commercecomet24]

Dude, you. are. dead. effin. nuts. on.

My ole man died from that shit bout 6 years ago.

+1

This. In my line of work I've seen to many suffering from Alzheimer's, it's no way to go out.

[confucius say]

We're actually at 580 deaths today so 49%.

49.82. I'm rounding up to 50.

Schools starting back is interesting. No COVID deaths for us under 18, only one under 30. There was a pediatric flu death this week though. With kids immune systems being weakened since early March by sheltering, I wonder if flu and strep and rsv etc... will be worse in kids this season.

[msstate7]

Looks like Illinois is becoming new hot spot

[Commercecomet24]

Looks like Illinois is becoming new hot spot

Yeah 40% of all cases and 46% of all deaths are in 3 states, New York, New Jersey and Illinois.

[msstate7]

99% of covid19 deaths in Italy had other illness according to Bloomberg.com

It further breaks it down...
48.5% had 3 or more illnesses
25.6% had 2 other illnesses
25.1% had 1 other illness
0.8% had no other illness

Median age of deaths was 80.5

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

[Commercecomet24]

99% of covid19 deaths in Italy had other illness according to Bloomberg.com

It further breaks it down...
48.5% had 3 or more illnesses
25.6% had 2 other illnesses
25.1% had 1 other illness
0.8% had no other illness

Median age of deaths was 80.5

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

This is why it's hard to understand who died of covid and who died with covid. I don't think we'll ever really know how many actually died because of covid. Big difference.

[msstate7]

Remember when this board and the press were praising Cuomo? Yikes...

"More than 4,500 recovering coronavirus patients were sent to New York?s already vulnerable nursing homes under a controversial state directive that was ultimately scrapped amid criticisms it was accelerating the nation?s deadliest outbreaks, according to a count by The Associated Press...."

https://apnews.com/5ebc0ad45b73a899efa81f098330204c?utm_source=Twitte r&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP

[dawgday166]

Remember when this board and the press were praising Cuomo? Yikes...

"More than 4,500 recovering coronavirus patients were sent to New York?s already vulnerable nursing homes under a controversial state directive that was ultimately scrapped amid criticisms it was accelerating the nation?s deadliest outbreaks, according to a count by The Associated Press...."

https://apnews.com/5ebc0ad45b73a899efa81f098330204c?utm_source=Twitte r&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP

And Cuomo is blaming that on Trump's/CDC guidance SMDH. Not sure how CDC and Trump necessarily get lumped together all the time. But I do wonder if Cuomo forgot about those mobile hospitals and that hospital ship Trump sent up there just like he forgot about how he said he needed thousands of ventilators while putting the 2000 Trump sent him into storage cause "they weren't needed yet". His words not mine. And they never were needed either.

[msstate7]

And Cuomo is blaming that on Trump's/CDC guidance SMDH. Not sure how CDC and Trump necessarily get lumped together all the time. But I do wonder if Cuomo forgot about those mobile hospitals and that hospital ship Trump sent up there just like he forgot about how he said he needed thousands of ventilators while putting the 2000 Trump sent him into storage cause "they weren't needed yet". His words not mine. And they never were needed either.

Why in the world didn't he use the mobile hospitals?

[dawgday166]

Why in the world didn't he use the mobile hospitals?

I have no freaking clue. If I recall correctly those mobile hospitals that could house hundreds of patients only saw 37 total.

All I do know is ... it's Trump's fault **

[Commercecomet24]

I have no freaking clue. If I recall correctly those mobile hospitals that could house hundreds of patients only saw 37 total.

All I do know is ... it's Trump's fault **

Cuomo botched it.

[Coldsleeve Jr.]

Why in the world didn't he use the mobile hospitals?

Not a Cuomo fan, but I believe the ship was for non-covid patients. They were expecting covid patients to take all the hospital capacity and the ship was for overflow. Wasn't used bc there was no hospital overflow.

[Liverpooldawg]

99% of covid19 deaths in Italy had other illness according to Bloomberg.com

It further breaks it down...
48.5% had 3 or more illnesses
25.6% had 2 other illnesses
25.1% had 1 other illness
0.8% had no other illness

Median age of deaths was 80.5

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

Well that makes it all ok then. Who cares about the sick and the old.

[msstate7]

Delete

[dawgday166]

Well that makes it all ok then. Who cares about the sick and the old.

So you think folks oughta just live forever. IMO if you live 80 years ... you probably had a good, long life. Not saying it's an easier on those left here if they're close to an 80 year old ... but the 80 year old ain't living forever either.

[Dawgfan77]

Been a tough week for the corona bro's and liberalpooldawg

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Been a tough week for the corona bro's and liberalpooldawg

Just wait, disaster's two weeks away**

[Jack Lambert]

I kid you not. I went into a convenient store this evening. I will not say where but it is with in two counties from Jackson. On the door it said "do not enter with mask on.". It really did not matter to me. I don't wear one but I thought it was kind of funny. I am assuming they are worried about being robbed.

[Turfdawg67]

.

[Joebob]

"I don't wear one"

Why am I not at all surprised?

[BeardoMSU]

"I don't wear one"

Why am I not at all surprised?

Doesn't wear condoms either, so not surprised, lol.

[dantheman4248]

Just wait, disaster's two weeks away**

100,000 people are dead. Disaster is already here.

[Liverpooldawg]

100,000 people are dead. Disaster is already here.

They don't care about the old and sick. Since it is only them it's no big deal. Open er up!

[Homedawg]

They don't care about the old and sick. Since it is only them it's no big deal. Open er up!

Good grief dude. This game is old and dumb. So you don't care about anything but covid?? People who have had cancer couldn't get a colonoscopyDoes that matter?
But I know you are well, protecting yourself and your "essential" job. While the rest of us should stay at home to protect you..

[Johnson85]

100,000 people are dead. Disaster is already here.

.03% of the population has died. That's tragic, but it's not a disaster. And yes, it matters that somewhere between 30-40% of those people were in nursing homes. People usually die within about a year of entering a nursing home. The median stay in a nursing home before death is less than half a year. The average is just over a year because of the small percentage of residents that do survive a good while. That's not being callous. It's a normal and good thing to view deaths of young people as more of a problem than deaths of the old and infirm, for both moral and practical reasons. People making stupid staements like liverpool's are just virtue signaling to pretend that they care more than other people, or they are just children who don't understand that wishes and unicorn poop can't make reality disappear, or they are just selfish ass holes themselves and are arguing from a position of self interest.

Bad shit is going to happen from time to time and coronavirus is bad. We are only freaking out and destroying our economy because we have been so good at avoiding and/or managing bad things that we have deluded ourselves into thinking that they are always avoidable.

[Liverpooldawg]

Good grief dude. This game is old and dumb. So you don't care about anything but covid?? People who have had cancer couldn't get a colonoscopyDoes that matter?
But I know you are well, protecting yourself and your "essential" job. While the rest of us should stay at home to protect you..

Bit dogs always yelp.

[Liverpooldawg]

.03% of the population has died. That's tragic, but it's not a disaster. And yes, it matters that somewhere between 30-40% of those people were in nursing homes. People usually die within about a year of entering a nursing home. The median stay in a nursing home before death is less than half a year. The average is just over a year because of the small percentage of residents that do survive a good while. That's not being callous. It's a normal and good thing to view deaths of young people as more of a problem than deaths of the old and infirm, for both moral and practical reasons. People making stupid staements like liverpool's are just virtue signaling to pretend that they care more than other people, or they are just children who don't understand that wishes and unicorn poop can't make reality disappear, or they are just selfish ass holes themselves and are arguing from a position of self interest.

Bad shit is going to happen from time to time and coronavirus is bad. We are only freaking out and destroying our economy because we have been so good at avoiding and/or managing bad things that we have deluded ourselves into thinking that they are always avoidable.

LOL.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Covid related discussions are hilarious to me. It really is simple. Don't be a dick. Open the economy back up. Do everything you can to avoid people best you can. Wash your hands at every opportunity. Don't go out if you are not feeling well. Wear a mask if you are in public. Reduce how much you are in public, unless you have to be there. Keep 6ft or preferred 12 feet away from everyone if possible.

If everyone did that, the virus will still spread, but it would ve manageable to a point we do not see hospitals overruns.

So simple, protect yourselves, try to protect everyone else, and don't be a dick. We are all in this together.

[msstate7]

https://i.postimg.cc/qRWFjQQb/D3428-C10-BA26-456-F-8706-D3-F60722-F668.jpg (https://postimg.cc/5YqptBhL)

https://twitter.com/sethamandel/status/1265006797074698240?s=21

[DownwardDawg]

Covid related discussions are hilarious to me. It really is simple. Don't be a dick. Open the economy back up. Do everything you can to avoid people best you can. Wash your hands at every opportunity. Don't go out if you are not feeling well. Wear a mask if you are in public. Reduce how much you are in public, unless you have to be there. Keep 6ft or preferred 12 feet away from everyone if possible.

If everyone did that, the virus will still spread, but it would ve manageable to a point we do not see hospitals overruns.

So simple, protect yourselves, try to protect everyone else, and don't be a dick. We are all in this together.

+1,000!!!!!!! So simple. I agree.

[hacker]

https://i.postimg.cc/qRWFjQQb/D3428-C10-BA26-456-F-8706-D3-F60722-F668.jpg (https://postimg.cc/5YqptBhL)

https://twitter.com/sethamandel/status/1265006797074698240?s=21

nevermind, i actually read the post

[msstate7]

Delete

[msstate7]

Think this is appropriate behavior for confronting a non-mask wearer?

https://twitter.com/liz_wheeler/status/1265066763516907520?s=21

[Commercecomet24]

Think this is appropriate behavior for confronting a non-mask wearer?

https://twitter.com/liz_wheeler/status/1265066763516907520?s=21

Absolutely ridiculous behavior! People have lost their damn minds!

[Jack Lambert]

Have any of you seen the reports on money wasted for hospital space and the price being paid for stuff. Example California spent 500K a month rent for a convention center never used. $3.00 for a .35 mask.

[HancockCountyDog]

Think this is appropriate behavior for confronting a non-mask wearer?

https://twitter.com/liz_wheeler/status/1265066763516907520?s=21

I don't agree with that at all, but I understand the sentiment. I could post dozens of videos of people literally coughing on people when being asked to wear a mask.

I am down at the beach for the week and was at a Publix and i'd say 10% are wearing masks, and publix is doing what they can to help people social distance with one lane aisles, pretty much everyone was doing their part, and of course this one 50+ or so lady comes up an aisle the wrong way and another lady also about 50 very politely says, you are coming up the wrong way. This 50+ year old lady simply lost her mind and started yelling at her that she can walk anyway she wants and no one is going to tell her which way to walk up a grocery aisle.

It was bizarre. Two different people simply said "What is wrong with you" and I said "we are all doing our best here, do your very small part"

It has bothered me ever since, I simply don't understand doing something that may have the smallest of impacts to help stop the spread of this shit. No one is asking her to donate blood, plasma or volunteer at a local food bank, simply walk one way down an aisle. That's it. Our parents were drafted into Vietnam. Our grandparents signed up as fast as possible to fight in the jungles of japan and die in Europe. They did so aggressively. People my age signed up to fight a war against terror. Now everyone is being asked to do things like wear a mask and walk one way down an aisle, and they are acting as if they are being asked to live in 1950's Russia.

I just don't understand it. This goes against everything we are as Americans. We help strangers on the side of the road. We donate to food banks, hurricane relief and other natural disasters relief funds, having no clue who the victims are, but we always just help blindly. Here, we are simply being asked to do a few things to help stop the spread of a deadly disease. I don't like wearing a mask, I don't like going one way on certain food aisles, and I don't like that going to a restaurant feels like I'm risking my life, I hate these things, but I love my community more.

I don't know any posters on this board by name, a few may know my name. If there was a post by Homedog, Hooopsdawg, msstate7 or even our main man Shotgundawg announcing that their car had broken down on Highway 603 and wanted to know who to call, and If I saw it, i'd get in my car and go help. I would hope others near the area would too.

I am sorry for rambling, but I hope more people are taking this serious than the people at the beach are or that this virus is being overrated like the bears teams coming off an inflated recruiting class.

[msstate7]

I don't agree with that at all, but I understand the sentiment. I could post dozens of videos of people literally coughing on people when being asked to wear a mask.

I am down at the beach for the week and was at a Publix and i'd say 10% are wearing masks, and publix is doing what they can to help people social distance with one lane aisles, pretty much everyone was doing their part, and of course this one 50+ or so lady comes up an aisle the wrong way and another lady also about 50 very politely says, you are coming up the wrong way. This 50+ year old lady simply lost her mind and started yelling at her that she can walk anyway she wants and no one is going to tell her which way to walk up a grocery aisle.

It was bizarre. Two different people simply said "What is wrong with you" and I said "we are all doing our best here, do your very small part"

It has bothered me ever since, I simply don't understand doing something that may have the smallest of impacts to help stop the spread of this shit. No one is asking her to donate blood, plasma or volunteer at a local food bank, simply walk one way down an aisle. That's it. Our parents were drafted into Vietnam. Our grandparents signed up as fast as possible to fight in the jungles of japan and die in Europe. They did so aggressively. People my age signed up to fight a war against terror. Now everyone is being asked to do things like wear a mask and walk one way down an aisle, and they are acting as if they are being asked to live in 1950's Russia.

I just don't understand it. This goes against everything we are as Americans. We help strangers on the side of the road. We donate to food banks, hurricane relief and other natural disasters relief funds, having no clue who the victims are, but we always just help blindly. Here, we are simply being asked to do a few things to help stop the spread of a deadly disease. I don't like wearing a mask, I don't like going one way on certain food aisles, and I don't like that going to a restaurant feels like I'm risking my life, I hate these things, but I love my community more.

I don't know any posters on this board by name, a few may know my name. If there was a post by Homedog, Hooopsdawg, msstate7 or even our main man Shotgundawg announcing that their car had broken down on Highway 603 and wanted to know who to call, and If I saw it, i'd get in my car and go help. I would hope others near the area would too.

I am sorry for rambling, but I hope more people are taking this serious than the people at the beach are or that this virus is being overrated like the bears teams coming off an inflated recruiting class.

The real question is would you come to help or come to kiss my butt? Haha... I'd do the same for you too, bud

[Lord McBuckethead]

Have any of you seen the reports on money wasted for hospital space and the price being paid for stuff. Example California spent 500K a month rent for a convention center never used. $3.00 for a .35 mask.

That is being prepared. I have zero issue with it. In my opinion, CA upheld their responsibility to their people. If, for example, LA had a gigantic outbreak (which is/was less potential than NY and Chicago) they would have needed the space. The price for stuff is a direct response to supply and demand. This is where the federal government should have stepped in and purchased literally every single mask available and distributed to the states. Why are states competing against each other for needed personal protection items.

I have said this from the beginning. The federal government should have been spending 20 billion a week working on making each state as safe as it could be. 20 billion a week versus our economy is cheap. The fed has already pumped 3.5 trillion into the market that has artificially propped up the market. It was the smart move, because as things reopen and the unemployment numbers get back below 10% the market hopefully will reflect the newly opened economy and the drop won't be that drastic.

As you initial statement on CA spending 500k for additional overflow space..... I say that is exactly what they needed to do at the time. An ounce of prevention is worth 10 pounds of not being prepared.

[State82]

Think this is appropriate behavior for confronting a non-mask wearer?

https://twitter.com/liz_wheeler/status/1265066763516907520?s=21

I can assure you that scene would not have ended well had it been me that a bunch of 17ers were yelling at.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I don't agree with that at all, but I understand the sentiment. I could post dozens of videos of people literally coughing on people when being asked to wear a mask.

I am down at the beach for the week and was at a Publix and i'd say 10% are wearing masks, and publix is doing what they can to help people social distance with one lane aisles, pretty much everyone was doing their part, and of course this one 50+ or so lady comes up an aisle the wrong way and another lady also about 50 very politely says, you are coming up the wrong way. This 50+ year old lady simply lost her mind and started yelling at her that she can walk anyway she wants and no one is going to tell her which way to walk up a grocery aisle.

It was bizarre. Two different people simply said "What is wrong with you" and I said "we are all doing our best here, do your very small part"

It has bothered me ever since, I simply don't understand doing something that may have the smallest of impacts to help stop the spread of this shit. No one is asking her to donate blood, plasma or volunteer at a local food bank, simply walk one way down an aisle. That's it. Our parents were drafted into Vietnam. Our grandparents signed up as fast as possible to fight in the jungles of japan and die in Europe. They did so aggressively. People my age signed up to fight a war against terror. Now everyone is being asked to do things like wear a mask and walk one way down an aisle, and they are acting as if they are being asked to live in 1950's Russia.

I just don't understand it. This goes against everything we are as Americans. We help strangers on the side of the road. We donate to food banks, hurricane relief and other natural disasters relief funds, having no clue who the victims are, but we always just help blindly. Here, we are simply being asked to do a few things to help stop the spread of a deadly disease. I don't like wearing a mask, I don't like going one way on certain food aisles, and I don't like that going to a restaurant feels like I'm risking my life, I hate these things, but I love my community more.

I don't know any posters on this board by name, a few may know my name. If there was a post by Homedog, Hooopsdawg, msstate7 or even our main man Shotgundawg announcing that their car had broken down on Highway 603 and wanted to know who to call, and If I saw it, i'd get in my car and go help. I would hope others near the area would too.

I am sorry for rambling, but I hope more people are taking this serious than the people at the beach are or that this virus is being overrated like the bears teams coming off an inflated recruiting class.

Exactly. HCD that was perfectly said. "we are all doing our best here, do your very small part." That is exactly it. It is sad that some people feel like they are more important than their fellow community members.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I can assure you that scene would not have ended well had it been me that a bunch of 17ers were yelling at.

No idea what was said prior to that video starting. Per this video, everyone yelling at this woman were being assholes. But like I said, we have no idea what instigated the exchange. I would be willing to bet that lady smarted off, instead of being apologetic that she forgot her mask. We all can do out little part, and that will make the difference.

Sounds like you are a billy bad ass though.

[Cooterpoot]

Since it's now been shown the virus attacks those with the dementia gene, I think we better understand why it's old people it's killing. It's not necessarily their age. It's genetics and underlying issues.
Go get tested for the dementia gene.

[dantheman4248]

.03% of the population has died. That's tragic, but it's not a disaster. And yes, it matters that somewhere between 30-40% of those people were in nursing homes. People usually die within about a year of entering a nursing home. The median stay in a nursing home before death is less than half a year. The average is just over a year because of the small percentage of residents that do survive a good while. That's not being callous. It's a normal and good thing to view deaths of young people as more of a problem than deaths of the old and infirm, for both moral and practical reasons. People making stupid staements like liverpool's are just virtue signaling to pretend that they care more than other people, or they are just children who don't understand that wishes and unicorn poop can't make reality disappear, or they are just selfish ass holes themselves and are arguing from a position of self interest.

Bad shit is going to happen from time to time and coronavirus is bad. We are only freaking out and destroying our economy because we have been so good at avoiding and/or managing bad things that we have deluded ourselves into thinking that they are always avoidable.

Idk how you define disaster. Guess Korea, Nam, Iraq, 9/11, Pearl Harbor, etc don't count. Normandy or bust.

[dantheman4248]

Have any of you seen the reports on money wasted for hospital space and the price being paid for stuff. Example California spent 500K a month rent for a convention center never used. $3.00 for a .35 mask.

I harped on this very thread quite a bit about our president spending over $5 per mask from a company that has no manufacturing wing or history in the medical field, but when California spends 60% of that, they are the idiots wasting money.

I expect everyone who shit on me for pointing that out to come in here and tell Jack why he's wrong and defend California. I'll wait.

[Jack Lambert]

I harped on this very thread quite a bit about our president spending over $5 per mask from a company that has no manufacturing wing or history in the medical field, but when California spends 60% of that, they are the idiots wasting money.

I expect everyone who shit on me for pointing that out to come in here and tell Jack why he's wrong and defend California. I'll wait.

You need to blame science. They are the ones who got all the projection wrong that cause all the panic. Hell if I am President and the top doctor on infection disease comes into my office and say 1 million americans are going to die you take action. Science let us down and now you have blue state governors claiming it science why they are staying shut down.

The curve was flatten. Time to start going back to work and stop playing politics because this is an election year and stop using science as your excuse. I am not wearing a mask because the ****ing doctors keep changing the science. I am not going to live in fear and I am not going let someone scare me into wearing a stupid mask. I keep hoping someone will say something to me in public but two things. Hardly no one wears mask and not too many people are going to smart off to me. There is an advantage of looking like I look.

[BeardoMSU]

You need to blame science. They are the ones who got all the projection wrong that cause all the panic. Hell if I am President and the top doctor on infection disease comes into my office and say 1 million americans are going to die you take action. Science let us down and now you have blue state governors claiming it science why they are staying shut down.

The curve was flatten. Time to start going back to work and stop playing politics because this is an election year and stop using science as your excuse. I am not wearing a mask because the ****ing doctors keep changing the science. I am not going to live in fear and I am not going let someone scare me into wearing a stupid mask. I keep hoping someone will say something to me in public but two things. Hardly no one wears mask and not too many people are going to smart off to me. There is an advantage of looking like I look.

Science is not your enemy. Science is why the curve was flattened. Science will deliver us a vaccine.

Jesus, if science is one side of the coin, what's the other?

[dantheman4248]

You need to blame science. They are the ones who got all the projection wrong that cause all the panic. Hell if I am President and the top doctor on infection disease comes into my office and say 1 million americans are going to die you take action. Science let us down and now you have blue state governors claiming it science why they are staying shut down.

The curve was flatten. Time to start going back to work and stop playing politics because this is an election year and stop using science as your excuse. I am not wearing a mask because the ****ing doctors keep changing the science. I am not going to live in fear and I am not going let someone scare me into wearing a stupid mask. I keep hoping someone will say something to me in public but two things. Hardly no one wears mask and not too many people are going to smart off to me. There is an advantage of looking like I look.

Science projected that we would hit 1 million dead and overrun our hospitals if we didn't social distance. Science predicted we would have around 60k dead if we did. We social distanced some and now we're at 100k+ dead.

"This vaccine prevents the flu."
'Yea well I took it and I didn't get the flu so it was pointless and science failed me.'
"..."

That's you.

And again this guy has been president for four years. It's past time to let him shift blame. He was in here to drain the swamp yet constantly blames others for anything bad that happens while taking all credit for good things that happen. That's not a leader of the free world.

So either: A. science was wrong and trump didn't put the best people on the job. B. Science was right and Trump is now wrong for questioning them and suggesting injecting lysol and now insulin.

I just don't get the mentality here. You say the president should take action if he's hearing 1 million will die. He took some action but mostly left it up to the states who for the most part took good action albeit late. 1 million didn't die. Now science is wrong. But he took action. So how is science wrong.

And now you're chastising California who got prices lower than Trump for spending negligently. But Trump spent even more negligently. And that's actually YOUR tax dollars. But somehow California and the dems are the wrong ones.

Do you see the faulty logic? I broke it down as simple as I can for you.

[Johnson85]

Idk how you define disaster. Guess Korea, Nam, Iraq, 9/11, Pearl Harbor, etc don't count. Normandy or bust.


It's a little different comparing emergent diseases and wars or acts of war. We very likely have a new disease that's just going to be part of our disease burden going forward and it has a IFR somewhere in the range of .3%. That's extremely bad. It's probably going to show up in life expectancy numbers, although not as much as you'd think because so many of the deaths are with people that likely would have died within a year anyway. It will probably be COVID and Flu season going forward, and that's a significant drain on quality of life. That could fairly be called a disaster, but I would resist that because people are using it as a reason to inflict a ton of avoidable and unnecessary harm. There are bad things that happen that are unavoidable and we shouldn't make things worse b/c we think there is always a silver bullet.

ETA: Also, while this is worse than vietnam b/c it will be an ongoing thing, 58k deaths of people of military age, many in their early twenties if not late teens, is a much bigger loss than we have suffered so far. It will probably not be worse by the time Wuhan works its way through the population unless we get an upside surprise, but as of right now, there's no question the toll of vietnam was worse.

[Liverpooldawg]

You need to blame science. They are the ones who got all the projection wrong that cause all the panic. Hell if I am President and the top doctor on infection disease comes into my office and say 1 million americans are going to die you take action. Science let us down and now you have blue state governors claiming it science why they are staying shut down.

The curve was flatten. Time to start going back to work and stop playing politics because this is an election year and stop using science as your excuse. I am not wearing a mask because the ****ing doctors keep changing the science. I am not going to live in fear and I am not going let someone scare me into wearing a stupid mask. I keep hoping someone will say something to me in public but two things. Hardly no one wears mask and not too many people are going to smart off to me. There is an advantage of looking like I look.

The projections were not wrong. They were based on not doing anything at all, which they plainly said from the start. We did flatten the curve, at least so far. Where they HAVE been wrong is thinking people would cooperate fully with the recommendations. People haven't hence the death and case counts have been way higher than the models showing social distancing effects. We have to go back to work, but people won't even do something easy and simple like wear a mask. If you look at one of the common denominators with the countries that have been holding this down the best, high mask wearing compliance is one of the main ones. I'm starting to see stuff that implies it is THE main one, more so than testing. The amount of asymptomatic cases makes contact tracing and testing very problematic.

[Dawgology]

You need to blame science. They are the ones who got all the projection wrong that cause all the panic. Hell if I am President and the top doctor on infection disease comes into my office and say 1 million americans are going to die you take action. Science let us down and now you have blue state governors claiming it science why they are staying shut down.

The curve was flatten. Time to start going back to work and stop playing politics because this is an election year and stop using science as your excuse. I am not wearing a mask because the ****ing doctors keep changing the science. I am not going to live in fear and I am not going let someone scare me into wearing a stupid mask. I keep hoping someone will say something to me in public but two things. Hardly no one wears mask and not too many people are going to smart off to me. There is an advantage of looking like I look.

Science didn't fail anyone. What you are seeing is scientific research played out in the public forum. Most of this stuff (at least for us anyway) happens behind the scenes and behing closed doors or at professional conventions and/or symposiums. This was an unknown virus as of 6 month ago. There has been aggressive research done on the virus over that time span. Typically, you would do your research, get it peer-reviewed, edited, then published (a 1-2 year process). At that point everyone in the relevant scientific community would read it and offer criticism or support. This would initiate more testing and research by different groups to either replicate your findings or disprove your findings and then the data parsing, writing, peer-review, publishing process would happen all over again followed by the relevant scientific community reading and reviewing the work. This happens over and over again (sometimes over a decade) until the scientific field comes to an understanding and consensus on a matter.

Due to the nature of this virus you are seeing that process sped up. You are seeing non-peer-reviewed articles being published online in order to expedite the process and get the info out as fast as possible due to the emergency of the situation. The problem is that media members then grab these technical articles and treat them as if they are 100% accurate when they are, in fact, theories at BEST and have yet to be fully reviewed by the scientific community.

That's not how science works and the media and other outlets need to be educated that just because a scientific article on researchgate, plos, or pubmed says "we believe XYZ based on the data gathered during the course of our research" doesn't mean that is the answer...it's just a step on the path toward the answer.

[Liverpooldawg]

Science didn't fail anyone. What you are seeing is scientific research played out in the public forum. Most of this stuff (at least for us anyway) happens behind the scenes and behing closed doors or at professional conventions and/or symposiums. This was an unknown virus as of 6 month ago. There has been aggressive research done on the virus over that time span. Typically, you would do your research, get it peer-reviewed, edited, then published (a 1-2 year process). At that point everyone in the relevant scientific community would read it and offer criticism or support. This would initiate more testing and research by different groups to either replicate your findings or disprove your findings and then the data parsing, writing, peer-review, publishing process would happen all over again followed by the relevant scientific community reading and reviewing the work. This happens over and over again (sometimes over a decade) until the scientific field comes to an understanding and consensus on a matter.

Due to the nature of this virus you are seeing that process sped up. You are seeing non-peer-reviewed articles being published online in order to expedite the process and get the info out as fast as possible due to the emergency of the situation. The problem is that media members then grab these technical articles and treat them as if they are 100% accurate when they are, in fact, theories at BEST and have yet to be fully reviewed by the scientific community.

That's not how science works and the media and other outlets need to be educated that just because a scientific article on researchgate, plos, or pubmed says "we believe XYZ based on the data gathered during the course of our research" doesn't mean that is the answer...it's just a step on the path toward the answer.

99% of media people know as much about science as someone who was born, raised, and lived their entire life in Manhattan does about farming. That goes for politicians too.

[confucius say]

It's a little different comparing emergent diseases and wars or acts of war. We very likely have a new disease that's just going to be part of our disease burden going forward and it has a IFR somewhere in the range of .3%. That's extremely bad. It's probably going to show up in life expectancy numbers, although not as much as you'd think because so many of the deaths are with people that likely would have died within a year anyway. It will probably be COVID and Flu season going forward, and that's a significant drain on quality of life. That could fairly be called a disaster, but I would resist that because people are using it as a reason to inflict a ton of avoidable and unnecessary harm. There are bad things that happen that are unavoidable and we shouldn't make things worse b/c we think there is always a silver bullet.

ETA: Also, while this is worse than vietnam b/c it will be an ongoing thing, 58k deaths of people of military age, many in their early twenties if not late teens, is a much bigger loss than we have suffered so far. It will probably not be worse by the time Wuhan works its way through the population unless we get an upside surprise, but as of right now, there's no question the toll of vietnam was worse.

Why do you think it stays around instead of disappearing like it's cousin SARS 1 in the early 2000s or MERS in 2012?

[Irondawg]

"Science predicted we would have around 60k dead if we did (distance)" ..............when did that happen? I don't think I ever saw that number anywhere close to that low even if we distanced

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

99% of media people know as much about science as someone who was born, raised, and lived their entire life in Manhattan does about farming. That goes for politicians too.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/032/808/Cheers_I'll_Drink_To_That_Bro_Banner.jpg

[Liverpooldawg]

Why do you think it stays around instead of disappearing like it's cousin SARS 1 in the early 2000s or MERS in 2012?

With those two you get real sick, real quick. There is little to no asymptomatic transmission. That makes it relatively easy to detect, trace, and isolate once you know what to look for.

[dawgday166]

99% of media people know as much about science as someone who was born, raised, and lived their entire life in Manhattan does about farming. That goes for politicians too.

Same as a lot of folks on this board haha. "Science" is never 100% precise/accurate. And models are only as good as algorithms and input data. Lots of variables there. In addition, science can be and is quite often influenced by agenda/politics .. depending on the funding source/scientist/company.

[Jack Lambert]

I respectfully disagree with all of you who disagree with me. Just giving the friendly "just saying". If you met me at a game I'll buy you a hotdog and coke.

[hacker]

"Science predicted we would have around 60k dead if we did (distance)" ..............when did that happen? I don't think I ever saw that number anywhere close to that low even if we distanced

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/491715-key-coronavirus-model-revised-downward-predicts-60k-deaths-in-us-by-august

This is when everybody started saying it was no big deal

[confucius say]

With those two you get real sick, real quick. There is little to no asymptomatic transmission. That makes it relatively easy to detect, trace, and isolate once you know what to look for.

That seems to be a reason why those two only infected a lower number of people, but I'm not sure it speaks to why they are not still around today. My understanding is they are not still around today because they did not mutate, or only did so minimally and not enough to overcome immunity. For example, even if the whole world gets covid, we will build immunity to it and it will go away unless it mutates. I'm no expert, this is just my understanding from what I've read, that the key to it staying forever will be whether or not it mutates. History suggests there will be a second wave, but it will die out.

From what I have read, coronaviruses in the past have seen a second wave. Sars 1 in 2002 and Mers in 2012 were the two most recent, and both had second waves. Both were far more deadly than COVID 19, but not near as transmissible. But both largely completely disappeared after that second wave without a vaccine, and 12-18 months after showing up. There is no vaccine for sars or mers, or for any coronavirus.

Compare that to swine flu in 2009, which was not a coronavirus but an h1n1 virus akin to the 1918 Spanish flu. There was a vaccine developed and administered to Americans for the swine flu, but it largely went away on its on due to not mutating like the virus we commonly refer to as the flu.

So, history of coronaviruses tells us that there probably will be a second wave, not sure how strong, but this virus will run its course and go away without a vaccine, likely 12-18 months since it started. Interestingly, that 12-18 month period is the same time we've been told to expect a vaccine to be ready.

[Liverpooldawg]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/491715-key-coronavirus-model-revised-downward-predicts-60k-deaths-in-us-by-august

This is when everybody started saying it was no big deal

Yep, and we hit 100k today. Most stuff I've seen is another 100k by September.

[Liverpooldawg]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/how-covid-19-is-being-underreported-in-most-states/ss-BB14Dt88?ocid=spartandhp

[Liverpooldawg]

That seems to be a reason why those two only infected a lower number of people, but I'm not sure it speaks to why they are not still around today. My understanding is they are not still around today because they did not mutate, or only did so minimally and not enough to overcome immunity. For example, even if the whole world gets covid, we will build immunity to it and it will go away unless it mutates. I'm no expert, this is just my understanding from what I've read, that the key to it staying forever will be whether or not it mutates. History suggests there will be a second wave, but it will die out.

From what I have read, coronaviruses in the past have seen a second wave. Sars 1 in 2002 and Mers in 2012 were the two most recent, and both had second waves. Both were far more deadly than COVID 19, but not near as transmissible. But both largely completely disappeared after that second wave without a vaccine, and 12-18 months after showing up. There is no vaccine for sars or mers, or for any coronavirus.

Compare that to swine flu in 2009, which was not a coronavirus but an h1n1 virus akin to the 1918 Spanish flu. There was a vaccine developed and administered to Americans for the swine flu, but it largely went away on its on due to not mutating like the virus we commonly refer to as the flu.

So, history of coronaviruses tells us that there probably will be a second wave, not sure how strong, but this virus will run its course and go away without a vaccine, likely 12-18 months since it started. Interestingly, that 12-18 month period is the same time we've been told to expect a vaccine to be ready.

It's just easier to isolate something like that. This one probably won't go away on it's on given the early indications. It's mutating already. H1N1 is still out there. I think it's still in most vaccines.

[Dawg2003]

The regular old flu shot protects you against H1N1.

[confucius say]

The regular old flu shot protects you against H1N1.

I guess that makes sense because it is a flu virus, as opposed to a coronavirus.

[confucius say]

It's just easier to isolate something like that. This one probably won't go away on it's on given the early indications. It's mutating already. H1N1 is still out there. I think it's still in most vaccines.

Can you post the mutation links? I've only found one article about it and it said that the early results show minimal mutation that would probably not be enough to overcome the body's immunity to covid.

[dantheman4248]

https://www.businessinsider.com/fema-paid-bankrupt-company-no-employees-55-million-n95-masks-2020-4

Good news btw. Public outrage caught this blatant attempt at stealing American tax dollars.

[Dawgology]

That seems to be a reason why those two only infected a lower number of people, but I'm not sure it speaks to why they are not still around today. My understanding is they are not still around today because they did not mutate, or only did so minimally and not enough to overcome immunity. For example, even if the whole world gets covid, we will build immunity to it and it will go away unless it mutates. I'm no expert, this is just my understanding from what I've read, that the key to it staying forever will be whether or not it mutates. History suggests there will be a second wave, but it will die out.

From what I have read, coronaviruses in the past have seen a second wave. Sars 1 in 2002 and Mers in 2012 were the two most recent, and both had second waves. Both were far more deadly than COVID 19, but not near as transmissible. But both largely completely disappeared after that second wave without a vaccine, and 12-18 months after showing up. There is no vaccine for sars or mers, or for any coronavirus.

Compare that to swine flu in 2009, which was not a coronavirus but an h1n1 virus akin to the 1918 Spanish flu. There was a vaccine developed and administered to Americans for the swine flu, but it largely went away on its on due to not mutating like the virus we commonly refer to as the flu.

So, history of coronaviruses tells us that there probably will be a second wave, not sure how strong, but this virus will run its course and go away without a vaccine, likely 12-18 months since it started. Interestingly, that 12-18 month period is the same time we've been told to expect a vaccine to be ready.

Viruses that quickly kill or debilitate their host rarely mutate much. In order to mutate a virus has to be transmitted a lot. If the virus is so strong that it kills or debilitates it's host quickly then the virus reduces it's chances to be transmitted so you see a higher mortality rate with a lower transmission rate. If something like MERS or SARS-1 ever mutated to where it had a 2-week, asymptomatic gestation period but was still transmittable during that time period the deaths would be in the 10's of millions.

[StateDawg44]

https://www.businessinsider.com/fema-paid-bankrupt-company-no-employees-55-million-n95-masks-2020-4

Good news btw. Public outrage caught this blatant attempt at stealing American tax dollars.

Again with the political. The thread has been tolerable without you bringing this in here.

[confucius say]

Viruses that quickly kill or debilitate their host rarely mutate much. In order to mutate a virus has to be transmitted a lot. If the virus is so strong that it kills or debilitates it's host quickly then the virus reduces it's chances to be transmitted so you see a higher mortality rate with a lower transmission rate. If something like MERS or SARS-1 ever mutated to where it had a 2-week, asymptomatic gestation period but was still transmittable during that time period the deaths would be in the 10's of millions.

Do you make anything of the fact that past coronaviruses have went away on their own without a vaccine? Just wondering if that provides hope that covid will do the same

[hacker]

Do you make anything of the fact that past coronaviruses have went away on their own without a vaccine? Just wondering if that provides hope that covid will do the same

They went away due to human containment efforts. Not because they got bored and decided to not spread anymore.

[confucius say]

They went away due to human containment efforts. Not because they got bored and decided to not spread anymore.

If that's true (and the articles I've read don't suggest that is the reason they went away), why did they not come back every year like influenza viruses are prone to do? Lack of mutation?

[Liverpooldawg]

Can you post the mutation links? I've only found one article about it and it said that the early results show minimal mutation that would probably not be enough to overcome the body's immunity to covid.

I've seen several things but don't have a specific link off the top of my head. It's mutated slightly several times already. This is in an extremely short time frame. Nothing major yet that they know off but we better be aware that it's happening. Some of them have been in the spike proteins that many of the potential vaccines are targeting.

[Liverpooldawg]

If that's true (and the articles I've read don't suggest that is the reason they went away), why did they not come back every year like influenza viruses are prone to do? Lack of mutation?

If it's truly contained and isolated then there is no virus left to come back. Flu doesn't disappear in the summer. There is always some around, just not much.

[hacker]

If that's true (and the articles I've read don't suggest that is the reason they went away), why did they not come back every year like influenza viruses are prone to do? Lack of mutation?

Read this, it's a really good article comparing and contrasting SARS and COVID. It goes into detail how SARS was eradicated.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30129-8/fulltext

[hacker]

If it's truly contained and isolated then there is no virus left to come back. Flu doesn't disappear in the summer. There is always some around, just not much.

This. If the virus doesn't have a human host, how would it come back (aside from jumping species again)?

[confucius say]

This. If the virus doesn't have a human host, how would it come back (aside from jumping species again)?

So in theory if we contact traced well enough (which I'm not sure is possible with sars, flu, or covid) with the flu and isolated every infected host then the flu would be gone forever? If yes, you are saying we were able to do that with sars and mers but not the flu?

[confucius say]

Read this, it's a really good article comparing and contrasting SARS and COVID. It goes into detail how SARS was eradicated.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30129-8/fulltext

Thanks. Will read later

[DeltaChicagoDog]

Science didn't fail anyone. What you are seeing is scientific research played out in the public forum. Most of this stuff (at least for us anyway) happens behind the scenes and behing closed doors or at professional conventions and/or symposiums. This was an unknown virus as of 6 month ago. There has been aggressive research done on the virus over that time span. Typically, you would do your research, get it peer-reviewed, edited, then published (a 1-2 year process). At that point everyone in the relevant scientific community would read it and offer criticism or support. This would initiate more testing and research by different groups to either replicate your findings or disprove your findings and then the data parsing, writing, peer-review, publishing process would happen all over again followed by the relevant scientific community reading and reviewing the work. This happens over and over again (sometimes over a decade) until the scientific field comes to an understanding and consensus on a matter.

Due to the nature of this virus you are seeing that process sped up. You are seeing non-peer-reviewed articles being published online in order to expedite the process and get the info out as fast as possible due to the emergency of the situation. The problem is that media members then grab these technical articles and treat them as if they are 100% accurate when they are, in fact, theories at BEST and have yet to be fully reviewed by the scientific community.

That's not how science works and the media and other outlets need to be educated that just because a scientific article on researchgate, plos, or pubmed says "we believe XYZ based on the data gathered during the course of our research" doesn't mean that is the answer...it's just a step on the path toward the answer.

Great post, Dawgology. I've wondered what it would be like if the public at large a had media amplified information from the "Results" section of research papers. We now have some idea how that plays out. True consensus difficult to come by.

[dantheman4248]

Again with the political. The thread has been tolerable without you bringing this in here.

It's not political, it was an attempt at theft of american tax dollars under the guise of Covid-19 relief efforts.

It directly relates to information about how we are moving forward in our relief efforts.

[Cooterpoot]

It's not political, it was an attempt at theft of american tax dollars under the guise of Covid-19 relief efforts.

It directly relates to information about how we are moving forward in our relief efforts.

Taxes ARE theft

[dantheman4248]

Taxes ARE theft

US already tried the Articles of Confederation but concluded that we kinda have to have enforceable taxes to run society. It would be nice if there wasn't shitbirds ruining it but that's true of all walks of life.

[dawgday166]

US already tried the Articles of Confederation but concluded that we kinda have to have enforceable taxes to run society. It would be nice if there wasn't shitbirds ruining it but that's true of all walks of life.

Didn't have income taxes back then. Tariffs, property, excise taxes back then and poll taxes on voters. No income tax. Gotta have taxes without a doubt but the national income tax didn't get passed as an amendment till 1913. It was briefly implemented during Civil War and in 1890's tho.

[dawgday166]

It's not political, it was an attempt at theft of american tax dollars under the guise of Covid-19 relief efforts.

It directly relates to information about how we are moving forward in our relief efforts.

So you made some good points about folks bashing CA Governor for making mistakes, when Trump has made some too. I never have said Trump hasn't, but anyone in the position he's in or Cuomo/Newsom may make some (those nursing home deaths in NY tho ... that was real stupid).

So you made some good points now for the turnaround ... I read that article and seems like to me he only implemented the Emergency Powers Act (ain't that it) that you on the Left wanted him to so that ventilators and PPE production could be accelerated.

Ford doesn't have any experience producing ventilators either. Yet ... a lot of y'all were hollering very loudly cause Trump was moving too slow while trying to decide on who was best to award those contracts to and who also had the capabilities to produce the vents & PPE.

[msstate7]

103-year-old woman beats corona, and she drinks a beer to celebrate

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/27/massachusetts-woman-beats-covid-19-celebrates-bud-light/5266563002/

[Cowbell]

103-year-old woman beats corona, and she drinks a beer to celebrate

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/27/massachusetts-woman-beats-covid-19-celebrates-bud-light/5266563002/

This is in no way political enough to fit in on this thread...how dare you....

Why has this thread not been locked?

[Homedawg]

US already tried the Articles of Confederation but concluded that we kinda have to have enforceable taxes to run society. It would be nice if there wasn't shitbirds ruining it but that's true of all walks of life.

Oh the irony......

[Cooterpoot]

US already tried the Articles of Confederation but concluded that we kinda have to have enforceable taxes to run society. It would be nice if there wasn't shitbirds ruining it but that's true of all walks of life.

None of what you said changes the fact it's theft.

[Jack Lambert]

Didn't have income taxes back then. Tariffs, property, excise taxes back then and poll taxes on voters. No income tax. Gotta have taxes without a doubt but the national income tax didn't get passed as an amendment till 1913. It was briefly implemented during Civil War and in 1890's tho.

Tariffs use to be the only way the Federal Government got money.

[BeardoMSU]

Tariffs use to be the only way the Federal Government got money.

Its not the 1800s anymore...

[Jack Lambert]

Its not the 1800s anymore...

Agreed and there is no way you should look at 19th century politics with 21st century eyes or compare the two at all. I do not have a problem with income tax. In fact I think there should be a national sales tax to go along with it.

[StateDawg44]

It's not political, it was an attempt at theft of american tax dollars under the guise of Covid-19 relief efforts.

It directly relates to information about how we are moving forward in our relief efforts.

I'm sure someone like you wouldn't have any sort of agenda behind posting that or anything though.

[Extendedcab]

I'm sure someone like you wouldn't have any sort of agenda behind posting that or anything though.

Never, not him! :rolleyes:

[confucius say]

What's with UMMC laying off a couple hundred folks? Covid related?

[Liverpooldawg]

What's with UMMC laying off a couple hundred folks? Covid related?

Banning non-emergency treatment related.

[confucius say]

Banning non-emergency treatment related.

Well that sucks.

[Jack Lambert]

Banning non-emergency treatment related.

I wonder how private hospitals are doing. I also wonder how much the VA pays the University every year.

[fishwater99]

Banning non-emergency treatment related.

Yep, we closed off hospitals to "Flatten the Curve". I don't believe the curve even needed to be flattened in some states, it was going to do it on it's own. This COVID-19 has more hype than bite.

[Cooterpoot]

It's not just UMC. Most hospitals in the state are in a similar situation. Layoffs, unpaid time for management, jobs not being filled.
NY never even ran out of space. MS was never going to even remotely fill up. We've effectively 17'd up everything shutting down.

[Commercecomet24]

It's not just UMC. Most hospitals in the state are in a similar situation. Layoffs, unpaid time for management, jobs not being filled.
NY never even ran out of space. MS was never going to even remotely fill up. We've effectively 17'd up everything shutting down.

Yep, this! This hospital situation is nationwide. Here's another kick in the stones, the ones in the worst shape are children's hospitals who had to prepare to treat the "overflow" of covid patients that never materialized. Many are now in danger of closing for good with losses in the billions. It's going to be a shame when children and their families can't get affordable treatments and treatments specific to pediatric health care because of this. Sad.

[confucius say]

Yep, this! This hospital situation is nationwide. Here's another kick in the stones, the ones in the worst shape are children's hospitals who had to prepare to treat the "overflow" of covid patients that never materialized. Many are now in danger of closing for good with losses in the billions. It's going to be a shame when children and their families can't get affordable treatments and treatments specific to pediatric health care because of this. Sad.

Then why were Woodward and Cook at Ummc begging Tate to shut everything down? We are going to destroy more people's lives economically than we are going to have covid deaths in MS.

[Commercecomet24]

Then why were Woodward and Cook at Ummc begging Tate to shut everything down? We are going to destroy more people's lives economically than we are going to have covid deaths in MS.

Good question, and I agree wholeheartedly about destroying peoples lives economically. Just look at whats happening in Pennsylvania right now. Suicide, domestic abuse, etc. have all spiked during there draconian shutdown up their and the numbers are continuing to rise.

[dawgday166]

Yep, this! This hospital situation is nationwide. Here's another kick in the stones, the ones in the worst shape are children's hospitals who had to prepare to treat the "overflow" of covid patients that never materialized. Many are now in danger of closing for good with losses in the billions. It's going to be a shame when children and their families can't get affordable treatments and treatments specific to pediatric health care because of this. Sad.

Dude ... The kids and younger generation aren't important. What's important is keeping 80 year olds alive another 4 or 5 years. We care about Grandma and Grandpa.

[Cooterpoot]

Then why were Woodward and Cook at Ummc begging Tate to shut everything down? We are going to destroy more people's lives economically than we are going to have covid deaths in MS.

Because they were fools like the others that thought this virus would fill up their hospitals and they'd get government money.

[Cooterpoot]

Dude ... The kids and younger generation aren't important. What's important is keeping 80 year olds alive another 4 or 5 years. We care about Grandma and Grandpa.

You're a damn fool if you believe that.

[fishwater99]

Then why were Woodward and Cook at Ummc begging Tate to shut everything down? We are going to destroy more people's lives economically than we are going to have covid deaths in MS.

And building temporary hospitals just in case they are needed. Crazy.


https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/851712311/u-s-field-hospitals-stand-down-most-without-treating-any-covid-19-patients

[Lord McBuckethead]

Because they were fools like the others that thought this virus would fill up their hospitals and they'd get government money.

Ah...no. They tried to plan ahead for an epidemic that could have over extended their available space and resources. The only reason it didn't is because people did follow the isolation protocols that flattened the curve. This government money bullcrap people keep throwing around is both dumb and revisionist junk. Hospitals do not have the luxury of turning away people in a pandemic. They have a responsibility to secure whatever space they can and make adjustments to fight it head on, cause people could (believed at the time) were going to start to show up desperately sick in the hundreds and possibly thousands depending on the population density of the area served. Everything is not a conspiracy to get your tax dollars. Hospitals have taken huge losses to gear up for this epidemic, that was lessened due to our personal safety actions these last two-three months.

Cooter, we all should be applauding the healthcare system for their flexibilty and hard work, especially in the northeast US that was hit particularly hard and fast.

[Lord McBuckethead]

And building temporary hospitals just in case they are needed. Crazy.


https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/851712311/u-s-field-hospitals-stand-down-most-without-treating-any-covid-19-patients

At the time the cases were doubling every other day. What would you have them do? Sit on their ass and wait for a bunch of people to die waiting in the wait room. Come one now.

[Lord McBuckethead]

For serious, you guys act like we had all the answers to this thing in March. Science takes time. Known facts are amended or downright disproven as we gather new information. Actions have to be taken at the time to give us the best scenario based on known facts at that time. If I were in charge of healthcare treatment on an area as large as NYC, seeing the numbers coming in, I would have built emergency overflow areas too. History has shown how pandemics can completely overrun any healthcare system and then much more people die due to lack of space, equipment, and facilities.

[Lord McBuckethead]

And building temporary hospitals just in case they are needed. Crazy.


https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/851712311/u-s-field-hospitals-stand-down-most-without-treating-any-covid-19-patients

That is called planning ahead based on projections. Those projections changed due to the isolation measures. Both were exactly what needed to happen. Plan for the worst and plan to avoid the worst. Both are exactly what was needed at the time.

[dawgday166]

You're a damn fool if you believe that.

I meant that sarcastically ... I think you probably knew that.

I don't want folks to die but there are a lot larger ramifications that are and have been ignored by a lot of folks. To hear how some and maybe a good many hospitals are struggling due to shutting down everything else including kids hospitals now, non-emergency preventive type diagnostic procedures that can catch cancer early, etc. just makes me SMDH. A lot of local decisions driven by the National Clamor of 3 or 4 big states with bigger problems seriously affected the local decisions.

[confucius say]

For serious, you guys act like we had all the answers to this thing in March. Science takes time. Known facts are amended or downright disproven as we gather new information. Actions have to be taken at the time to give us the best scenario based on known facts at that time. If I were in charge of healthcare treatment on an area as large as NYC, seeing the numbers coming in, I would have built emergency overflow areas too. History has shown how pandemics can completely overrun any healthcare system and then much more people die due to lack of space, equipment, and facilities.

I think there is some validity to this. It is hard to blame anybody too much when dealing with an unknown. But I think it is clear that mistakes were made, both by medical professionals and politicians. There was too much of a one size fits all approach taken. MS is not New York

[BeardoMSU]

For serious, you guys act like we had all the answers to this thing in March. Science takes time. Known facts are amended or downright disproven as we gather new information. Actions have to be taken at the time to give us the best scenario based on known facts at that time. If I were in charge of healthcare treatment on an area as large as NYC, seeing the numbers coming in, I would have built emergency overflow areas too. History has shown how pandemics can completely overrun any healthcare system and then much more people die due to lack of space, equipment, and facilities.

Don't remember who it was, but early in this thread, someone posted how if the distancing measures, lock downs, etc. worked, people would look back and bitch about how unnecessary it all was....but it only seems that way precisely because the measures worked. A fairly clairvoyant post, that was.

[fishwater99]

That is called planning ahead based on projections. Those projections changed due to the isolation measures. Both were exactly what needed to happen. Plan for the worst and plan to avoid the worst. Both are exactly what was needed at the time.

Projections based on false models and bad data.

[Johnson85]

Don't remember who it was, but early in this thread, someone posted how if the distancing measures, lock downs, etc. worked, people would look back and bitch about how unnecessary it all was....but it only seems that way precisely because the measures worked. A fairly clairvoyant post, that was.

They don't seem unnecessary because they worked, they were unnecessary because we now know the virus isn't nearly as bad as thought. Some of that is very forgiveable. We had a lack of information and played dthings cautiously. Some of that is people just made bad decisions. New York basically 17ed the whole country by handling everything so poorly. Don't send sick patients into nursing homes, don't cut the public transit capacity in half so that people are forced onto fewer trains, and actually clean the buses and subway cars daily from the beginning, and maybe New York's numbers don't look so bad that everybody else freaks out.

Things are presumably much better now than they would have been as far as the spread of the virus and number of deaths (obviously not as far as the economy and deaths and hardship related to that). But we probably haven't moved the needle that much as far as limiting deaths, except that nwo that we know that the risk is much less for the non-vulnerable population, maybe we can do a better job of protecting nursing home residents.

[Cooterpoot]

Don't remember who it was, but early in this thread, someone posted how if the distancing measures, lock downs, etc. worked, people would look back and bitch about how unnecessary it all was....but it only seems that way precisely because the measures worked. A fairly clairvoyant post, that was.

Did they? I don't think they did. Everyone will get this stuff at some point no matter what unless a vaccine knocks it out first. Hospitals aren't going to be overrun and never were. Millions are financially ruined.

[Joebob]

Did they? I don't think they did. Everyone will get this stuff at some point no matter what unless a vaccine knocks it out first. Hospitals aren't going to be overrun and never were. Millions are financially ruined.

And you knew this (hospitals weren't going to be overrun) how? There's an awful lot of people that would've loved to know this when you apparently did.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Did they? I don't think they did. Everyone will get this stuff at some point no matter what unless a vaccine knocks it out first. Hospitals aren't going to be overrun and never were. Millions are financially ruined.

You're looking at capacity, but you're leaving out the key point of supplies!

How much worse would it have been had hospitals been running without a public quarantine??? As bad as it was (and it was bad), I don't even want to imagine what that colossal shitshow would have been like.

Elective surgeries will return and at some point in the near future the feds will help healthcare again and infuse some cash.

[confucius say]

And you knew this (hospitals weren't going to be overrun) how? There's an awful lot of people that would've loved to know this when you apparently did.

I think it's funny how left leaning people can say this now, and right leaning people defend trump for the same reasons when people blast him for not being a fortune teller and taking action earlier.

Truth is, there was a lot of uncertainty and a lot of bad decisions made, mostly by the supposed medical expert community.

[confucius say]

You're looking at capacity, but you're leaving out the key point of supplies!

How much worse would it have been had hospitals been running without a public quarantine??? As bad as it was (and it was bad), I don't even want to imagine what that colossal shitshow would have been like.

Elective surgeries will return and at some point in the near future the feds will help healthcare again and infuse some cash.

Is there any evidence to suggests the death toll would ultimately be higher without public quarantine than it will be with public quarantine? I've seen no such data.

[Commercecomet24]

I think it's funny how left leaning people can say this now, and right leaning people defend trump for the same reasons when people blast him for not being a fortune teller and taking action earlier.

Truth is, there was a lot of uncertainty and a lot of bad decisions made, mostly by the supposed medical expert community.

This sums it up pretty well.

[Cooterpoot]

You're looking at capacity, but you're leaving out the key point of supplies!

How much worse would it have been had hospitals been running without a public quarantine??? As bad as it was (and it was bad), I don't even want to imagine what that colossal shitshow would have been like.

Elective surgeries will return and at some point in the near future the feds will help healthcare again and infuse some cash.

There was zero reason to end surgeries. Hell, major surgeries were still happening. People weren't catching COVID from those. Hospitals were isolating a couple areas for COVID. The risk was almost nothing. In MS, half the deaths have been nursing home deaths. These measures had no effect on that. And nursing homes were as close to total social distancing as you can find. No people other than workers in or out. Most people who get this don't even know it. We've had almost no deaths below the age of 59. Shutting things down at medical facilities was dead ass wrong.

[StateDawg44]

I think it's funny how left leaning people can say this now, and right leaning people defend trump for the same reasons when people blast him for not being a fortune teller and taking action earlier.

Truth is, there was a lot of uncertainty and a lot of bad decisions made, mostly by the supposed medical expert community.


But muh graphs and charts don't lie**

[Jack Lambert]

This is a kick in the nuts for both sides of the mask wearing.

I do not wear mask but I don't believe what W.H.O says and those who say we should wear mask pretty much supports the W,H.O.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/who-guidance-healthy-people-wear-masks-around-coronavirus-patients

[Gutter Cobreh]

Is there any evidence to suggests the death toll would ultimately be higher without public quarantine than it will be with public quarantine? I've seen no such data.


There was zero reason to end surgeries. Hell, major surgeries were still happening. People weren't catching COVID from those. Hospitals were isolating a couple areas for COVID. The risk was almost nothing. In MS, half the deaths have been nursing home deaths. These measures had no effect on that. And nursing homes were as close to total social distancing as you can find. No people other than workers in or out. Most people who get this don't even know it. We've had almost no deaths below the age of 59. Shutting things down at medical facilities was dead ass wrong.

My post didn't say anything about death toll or whether surgeries should have been cancelled, so not sure why both of you are not addressing my point about supplies.

Are both of you implying that all of the hospitals in MS didn't feel any effect from the lack of PPE? I'm not talking strictly about ventilators, I'm talking about gloves, masks, gowns, etc.. You know, the simple items we all took for granted.

The "just in time" inventory that a majority (if not all) of hospitals use failed because there was a run on certain items; no different than toilet paper with the general public.

The fact remains, you wouldn't have been able to run normal operations within a hospital during this time because there were no supplies, since these supplies were nonexistent.

While you contemplate your answer, will you please tell me where I can get a couple canisters of Clorox wipes???

[Cooterpoot]

Not a single hospital I deal with had issues with PPE. And the PPEs used in surgery and used in a COVID unit aren't the same.
Hell, I can go buy PPEs everyday with no problem. The government hoarded PPEs. But it's not hard to find a lot of what hospital needs.
The lack of testing was the major issue. The slow ass results from MDH. But that's all been corrected too.

[Johnson85]

Not a single hospital I deal with had issues with PPE. And the PPEs used in surgery and used in a COVID unit aren't the same.
Hell, I can go buy PPEs everyday with no problem. The government hoarded PPEs. But it's not hard to find a lot of what hospital needs.
The lack of testing was the major issue. The slow ass results from MDH. But that's all been corrected too.

Our hospital had a short term issue with non-respirator PPE. Not sure if "elective" procedures would have made it significantly worse. A lot of the issue is they were just burning through a shit ton of one time use PPE in situations where they normally wouldn't have had it.

[Commercecomet24]

There was zero reason to end surgeries. Hell, major surgeries were still happening. People weren't catching COVID from those. Hospitals were isolating a couple areas for COVID. The risk was almost nothing. In MS, half the deaths have been nursing home deaths. These measures had no effect on that. And nursing homes were as close to total social distancing as you can find. No people other than workers in or out. Most people who get this don't even know it. We've had almost no deaths below the age of 59. Shutting things down at medical facilities was dead ass wrong.

This!

[Gutter Cobreh]

Not a single hospital I deal with had issues with PPE. And the PPEs used in surgery and used in a COVID unit aren't the same.
Hell, I can go buy PPEs everyday with no problem. The government hoarded PPEs. But it's not hard to find a lot of what hospital needs.
The lack of testing was the major issue. The slow ass results from MDH. But that's all been corrected too.

Please tell me where I can find some disinfectant wipes??? Any distilleries around that you know of that switched to making hand sanitizer??? If so, why would that be if supplies were abundant?

Also, I don't know if the facilities you're referencing are rural or urban. I guess I should have clarified. If the facilities are what you'd consider rural and never had an influx initially of COVID patients, then maybe they were able to handle their inventory. The government wasn't hoarding supplies, as they didn't have them. The stockpile was empty. They did redirect supplies when they became available which further exasperated the problem.


Our hospital had a short term issue with non-respirator PPE. Not sure if "elective" procedures would have made it significantly worse. A lot of the issue is they were just burning through a shit ton of one time use PPE in situations where they normally wouldn't have had it.

This is probably what a majority of locations encountered. What I'm trying to illustrate is that the same PPE used on COVID to a certain degree is also used for all patients under isolation within a hospital (gown, mask, gloves, etc.). If there were supply chain issues just dealing with COVID, when adding back in the need for "normal operations" - it would have been a catastrophic failure.

I will acknowledge that a "one size fits all" model isn't what is needed. I think if a facility is rural and hasn't seen a lot of cases, then they can operate normally or open back up faster.

[Johnson85]

Is there any evidence to suggests the death toll would ultimately be higher without public quarantine than it will be with public quarantine? I've seen no such data.

There are models, which have been spectacularly wrong; in some cases because the models were crappy, in some cases just because we had a lot of incomplete/incorrect information, and in some cases a combination of both.

Without social distancing and lock down, the death toll at this point would have been higher from covid, higher from car wrecks and other accidents, lower from heart attack and strokes, lower from suicide, etc. and it's hard to say how all that shakes out. I don't think anybody has certain enough data to know how that all would have shaken out in net, and also, I still don't think we hvae the data to know how many COVID deaths we have avoided versus how many we have delayed.

[confucius say]

My post didn't say anything about death toll or whether surgeries should have been cancelled, so not sure why both of you are not addressing my point about supplies.

Are both of you implying that all of the hospitals in MS didn't feel any effect from the lack of PPE? I'm not talking strictly about ventilators, I'm talking about gloves, masks, gowns, etc.. You know, the simple items we all took for granted.

The "just in time" inventory that a majority (if not all) of hospitals use failed because there was a run on certain items; no different than toilet paper with the general public.

The fact remains, you wouldn't have been able to run normal operations within a hospital during this time because there were no supplies, since these supplies were nonexistent.

While you contemplate your answer, will you please tell me where I can get a couple canisters of Clorox wipes???

When you stated it would have been a lot worse, I thought you meant the impact of the virus, not supplies.

Regarding gloves, masks, and gowns, which hospitals in MS had such a shortage of those that it required shutting everything down? I'm asking because I honestly don't know. The nurses and doctors I know who work in hospitals have an abundance of those that they are stockpiling in case there is a second wave in the fall. They've sent me pics of stacks of masks.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Did they? I don't think they did. Everyone will get this stuff at some point no matter what unless a vaccine knocks it out first. Hospitals aren't going to be overrun and never were. Millions are financially ruined.


When you stated it would have been a lot worse, I thought you meant the impact of the virus, not supplies.

Regarding gloves, masks, and gowns, which hospitals in MS had such a shortage of those that it required shutting everything down? I'm asking because I honestly don't know. The nurses and doctors I know who work in hospitals have an abundance of those that they are stockpiling in case there is a second wave in the fall. They've sent me pics of stacks of masks.

Nope - not talking about the virus. My initial reply was to Cooterpoot regarding hospitals never being overrun - which I tagged above your last post. I simply stated that even if hospitals had never stopped normal operations, there were still obstacles that would have shut them down.

The lack of PPE would have prevented them from operating normally. Maybe some rural hospitals could have gotten through, but there isn't a hospital in any metro area that could have withstood it because they didn't have basic supplies to care for non-COVID patients at full capacity. At one point in the not so distant past, they coming up with SOPs on how to re-use masks, gowns, etc.. The reason is because there wasn't a supply available and the stockpile was never replenished.

I think the supply chain is easing and hospitals are stockpiling, as you suggest, because they've learned that "just in time" inventory puts them in jeopardy if this were to flare up again in the fall.

To reiterate, I'm of the belief that a "one size fits all" approach is not the best approach. What happens in Jackson is not relevant to what happens in the very rural parts of MS. We obviously know more know than we did two months ago and realize that not all cases result in the need for ventilators or even hospital admission.

We just have a few on here now that are arm-chair QB'ing this situation after the fact and that undermines the totality of what we've experienced.

[confucius say]

Nope - not talking about the virus. My initial reply was to Cooterpoot regarding hospitals never being overrun - which I tagged above your last post. I simply stated that even if hospitals had never stopped normal operations, there were still obstacles that would have shut them down.

The lack of PPE would have prevented them from operating normally. Maybe some rural hospitals could have gotten through, but there isn't a hospital in any metro area that could have withstood it because they didn't have basic supplies to care for non-COVID patients at full capacity. At one point in the not so distant past, they coming up with SOPs on how to re-use masks, gowns, etc.. The reason is because there wasn't a supply available and the stockpile was never replenished.

I think the supply chain is easing and hospitals are stockpiling, as you suggest, because they've learned that "just in time" inventory puts them in jeopardy if this were to flare up again in the fall.

To reiterate, I'm of the belief that a "one size fits all" approach is not the best approach. What happens in Jackson is not relevant to what happens in the very rural parts of MS. We obviously know more know than we did two months ago and realize that not all cases result in the need for ventilators or even hospital admission.

We just have a few on here now that are arm-chair QB'ing this situation after the fact and that undermines the totality of what we've experienced.

I agree that it's easy for folks to armchair qb now. That same thing applies to people criticizing Tate and trump too.

Question: if there was a shortage of PPE at some hospitals, where was the PPE supplies going? Other hospitals?

[Gutter Cobreh]

I agree that it's easy for folks to armchair qb now. That same thing applies to people criticizing Tate and trump too.

Question: if there was a shortage of PPE at some hospitals, where was the PPE supplies going? Other hospitals?

Where did all the toilet paper go???

I suspect supply couldn't meet the increased demand as hospitals were ramping up efforts thinking they were going to be overrun with COVID patients like Italy, but that is just my opinion. They'll eventually run through the supply they initially hoarded, but for a few weeks during March/April - there were severe shortages.

It's just evidence that we were not as prepared as we needed to be in the event of an emergency.

[confucius say]

Where did all the toilet paper go???

I suspect supply couldn't meet the increased demand as hospitals were ramping up efforts thinking they were going to be overrun with COVID patients like Italy, but that is just my opinion. They'll eventually run through the supply they initially hoarded, but for a few weeks during March/April - there were severe shortages.

It's just evidence that we were not as prepared as we needed to be in the event of an emergency.

Toilet paper? I think to peoples houses.

If some hospitals were ramping up efforts (which I read to mean stocking PPE), then those hospitals surely didn't have a shortage of PPE and could have stayed open fully. Adds to your point that it wasn't a one size fits all scenario.

It just sucks that we miscalculated things so poorly and now all these healthcare workers are being terminated.

[Liverpooldawg]

There was zero reason to end surgeries. Hell, major surgeries were still happening. People weren't catching COVID from those. Hospitals were isolating a couple areas for COVID. The risk was almost nothing. In MS, half the deaths have been nursing home deaths. These measures had no effect on that. And nursing homes were as close to total social distancing as you can find. No people other than workers in or out. Most people who get this don't even know it. We've had almost no deaths below the age of 59. Shutting things down at medical facilities was dead ass wrong.

It was also wrong for France not to invade Germany as soon as Hitler came to power. Hindsight is always 20/20.

[Liverpooldawg]

Not a single hospital I deal with had issues with PPE. And the PPEs used in surgery and used in a COVID unit aren't the same.
Hell, I can go buy PPEs everyday with no problem. The government hoarded PPEs. But it's not hard to find a lot of what hospital needs.
The lack of testing was the major issue. The slow ass results from MDH. But that's all been corrected too.

No you can't. If you can please post here where. The stuff we need is still really hard to get. You flat out don't know what you are talking about here.

[Dawgfan77]

It was also wrong for France not to invade Germany as soon as Hitler came to power. Hindsight is always 20/20.

They did so in hopes to off set German invasion of Poland Poland and France were allies.
If your going to spout off something understand the principles.

To add... hitler took power in Germany in 33. Germany invaded Poland in 39. France tried to invade western Germany in 39.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Toilet paper? I think to peoples houses.

If some hospitals were ramping up efforts (which I read to mean stocking PPE), then those hospitals surely didn't have a shortage of PPE and could have stayed open fully. Adds to your point that it wasn't a one size fits all scenario.

It just sucks that we miscalculated things so poorly and now all these healthcare workers are being terminated.

The TP comment was simply used as an example of one day - it's prevalent and easy to buy; and the next day - the shelves are empty.

As Johnson85 referenced, the burn rate of PPE is high on COVID quarantined units within hospitals. I don't know how much of what was purchased was hoarded or used for those facilities treating patients.

I don't know about the miscalculation regarding population health/quarantine, but the Feds drastically misappropriated the stimulus money. We hail healthcare workers with words of support, but when their employers are swamped now in financial ruins - the handouts have stopped. The Feds need another stimulus to help health organizations (especially rural hospitals) to stay somewhat in the green for the year. Otherwise, this will have a more drastic long-term impact to those communities than this pandemic.

[Liverpooldawg]

They did so in hopes to off set German invasion of Poland Poland and France were allies.
If your going to spout off something understand the principles.

To add... hitler took power in Germany in 33. Germany invaded Poland in 39. France tried to invade western Germany in 39.

I was talking about invading in 1933, when Hitler first came to power. That was clearly stated in the post. If you are going to blast someone you should actually read what they posted first.

[Dawgfan77]

I was talking about invading in 1933, when Hitler first came to power. That was clearly stated in the post. If you are going to blast someone you should actually read what they posted first.

If your going to post something be factual. France didn't invade Germany until 39.

[Todd4State]

Well the Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor until 1941...**

[Liverpooldawg]

If your going to post something be factual. France didn't invade Germany until 39.

Good lord, I don't like to do this, but what an idiot. That was the whole dang point of my post you moron. . If they had done it in 1933 Hitler would have lost a very short war. Germany basically had no real armed forces in 1933. Heck if France had moved in 1936 (I think it was) when Hitler re occupied the Rheinland Germany would have been overwhelmed in short order. No Nazi WWII. Coulda, woulda, shoulda, is always easy after the fact. They didn't know what would happen in 1939 or they absolutely would have moved in 1933 or 1936.

[hacker]

How did Vietnam manage to avoid even one coronavirus death?

https://nypost.com/2020/05/30/how-did-vietnam-manage-to-avoid-even-one-coronavirus-death/


Wow, guys, that's crazy. It's almost like the government doing something actually works. :thinking-face:

[msstate7]

How did Vietnam manage to avoid even one coronavirus death?

https://nypost.com/2020/05/30/how-did-vietnam-manage-to-avoid-even-one-coronavirus-death/


Wow, guys, that's crazy. It's almost like the government doing something actually works. :thinking-face:

"...All flights between Vietnam and China were halted, followed by the suspension of visas to Chinese citizens the next day...."

They're obviously racist

[hacker]

"...All flights between Vietnam and China were halted, followed by the suspension of visas to Chinese citizens the next day...."

They're obviously racist

haha

[msstate7]

How about singapore?

34366 total cases
5878 cases per million
23 deaths
4 deaths per million

[dantheman4248]

Interested to see the numbers in two weeks. I bet they are lower due to less testing.

Things to note: based strictly on tests administered vs population we are across the 5% mark of the country tested. (Of course some of those tests might have been doubled up on, but still.) Far cry from having widespread testing for everyone in two weeks, but hey over promise and under deliver is the motto of any good businessman.

Brazil is growing more rapidly than us. Getting more new cases a day.

[msstate7]

While our tests per million isn't the best in the world, we have performed ~ 6.8 million more tests than the next closest country.

[Jack Lambert]

While our tests per million isn't the best in the world, we have performed ~ 6.8 million more tests than the next closet country.

You have to figure if 50% of americans say they will not take the vaccine you have to figure that many will probably not even get tested.

[Cooterpoot]

Well, looks like my 77 year old dad is handling the COVID. He's returned to his nursing home with only a mild cough after 14 days.

[Homedawg]

Well, looks like my 77 year old dad is handling the COVID. He's returned to his nursing home with only a mild cough after 14 days.

That's good news.

[Jack Lambert]

Good lord, I don't like to do this, but what an idiot. That was the whole dang point of my post you moron. . If they had done it in 1933 Hitler would have lost a very short war. Germany basically had no real armed forces in 1933. Heck if France had moved in 1936 (I think it was) when Hitler re occupied the Rheinland Germany would have been overwhelmed in short order. No Nazi WWII. Coulda, woulda, shoulda, is always easy after the fact. They didn't know what would happen in 1939 or they absolutely would have moved in 1933 or 1936.

If France was more reasonable after the war HItler would have never come to power.

[Liverpooldawg]

If France was more reasonable after the war HItler would have never come to power.

Absolutely.

[Commercecomet24]

Well, looks like my 77 year old dad is handling the COVID. He's returned to his nursing home with only a mild cough after 14 days.

So glad to hear this man!

[DownwardDawg]

Well, looks like my 77 year old dad is handling the COVID. He's returned to his nursing home with only a mild cough after 14 days.

That?s great to hear !!

[DownwardDawg]

Unfortunately, the hospital where my wife works is filling up with Covid patients over the past few days.

[Cooterpoot]

Unfortunately, the hospital where my wife works is filling up with Covid patients over the past few days.

Hospitals have been picking up in COVID patients, but vent use is still low. From what I'm told, it's mostly flu-like symptoms. Plus, some of the homes in the area have been hit really hard, and those are running up the numbers. I only know of two homes without patient involved COVID. And those two both had employees test positive.

[DownwardDawg]

I know a nurse that tested positive. Two separate tests. She felt tired and weak for a few days then spent two weeks doing yard work. It’s so strange how this thing affects people differently.

[Liverpooldawg]

Hospitals have been picking up in COVID patients, but vent use is still low. From what I'm told, it's mostly flu-like symptoms. Plus, some of the homes in the area have been hit really hard, and those are running up the numbers. I only know of two homes without patient involved COVID. And those two both had employees test positive.

We hit a high for vent use in Mississippi over the weekend. It has since fallen back some.

[msstate7]

Over 80% (128 positives, 104 no symptoms) of a cruise ship's cases were asymptomatic

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/co...p-study-finds/

This goes along with the tenn corr center...

"At the state-run Bledsoe County Correctional Complex, 583 staff and inmates out of 2,322 tested have been infected with coronavirus, based on testing conducted last month.

The Tennessee correction and health departments determined that 98% of the prison cases have been asymptomatic"

https://www.tennessean.com/story/new...ks/3067388001/

[msstate7]

I know a nurse that tested positive. Two separate tests. She felt tired and weak for a few days then spent two weeks doing yard work. It’s so strange how this thing affects people differently.

I remember at the beginning there was speculation that A type blood got hit hard and O type didn't. Did anyone ever investigate this claim?

[Johnson85]

I remember at the beginning there was speculation that A type blood got hit hard and O type didn't. Did anyone ever investigate this claim?

Never saw any follow up. Also saw something that basically everybody that was hospitalized had either inadequate or deficient levels of vitamin D (which would potentially explain why opening up isn't really causing a big spike since people are outside more now that the weather is warmer).

[Cooterpoot]

I remember at the beginning there was speculation that A type blood got hit hard and O type didn't. Did anyone ever investigate this claim?

The thinking is this is a vascular virus. So blood type could be involved. But no real proof.

[Liverpooldawg]

Never saw any follow up. Also saw something that basically everybody that was hospitalized had either inadequate or deficient levels of vitamin D (which would potentially explain why opening up isn't really causing a big spike since people are outside more now that the weather is warmer).

If either were true there would be real information on that out there by now.

[Dawg2003]

In Mississippi, 752 total deaths. 395 of those from LTC facilities. That's 52%.

[Bass Chaser]

In Mississippi, 752 total deaths. 395 of those from LTC facilities. That's 52%.

You're about to see the number of positive cases in LTC increase since they started testing every resident last week.

[Tough Dawg]

Every resident and employee......

[Bass Chaser]

Every resident and employee......

Correct. National Guard conducted tests last week. My Mom tested positive. She's been locked down for 2.5 months.