The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[msstate7]

The death rate that is relevant is death rate of people affected. Italy is now over 10% death rate for those tested positive. Most experts predicted that as their hospitals were overwhelmed. Spain's death rate is around 6%.

Our death rate is around 1.5% which is good, but we have not hit the cross over point where the lack of health care affects the death rate except in places like in New York where people are not getting the care you need to survive.

Look - hopefully we are all doing part and the numbers simply flatten out so that we can keep that death rate, but without a cure and how easy this spreads and the number of people still not staying home and doing their part - if the growth rate continues at 23-28% which where it has been for a while - then this keeps doubling every 3 days. Lets hope it really flattens out over the next week, but so far every model showing this virus spreading and doubling has been for the most part too damn accurate.

I mean we are at 81,000+ cases. We had 200+ twenty days ago. At some point people may have to utter those three little words on a sports message board that no one wants to type.

I was wrong.

This is where I disagree with you... I think we are much higher than the reported cases, which makes the death rate plummet. The vast majority of cases aren't being documented bc they aren't serious imo

[msstate7]

Per this tweet - Italy's numbers are worse

https://twitter.com/williamreggler/status/1243258088859127808

That says Italy has 124 deaths per million which is lower than my number.

[HancockCountyDog]

This is where I disagree with you... I think we are much higher than the reported cases, which makes the death rate plummet. The vast majority of cases aren't being documented bc they aren't serious imo

Wouldn't that also be applicable to other countries?

So lets assume the death rate is significantly less than the 1-2% most people are predicting - wouldn't that be based on positive Covid cases. So if 1 million people have the Covid confirmed and only 100K die providing a 1% death rate of confirmed covid cases which is less than most countries; Yet in reality 5 million have the Covid and still 100K die, where is the upside? I guess I'm missing that point.

[msstate7]

Wouldn't that also be applicable to other countries?

So lets assume the death rate is significantly less than the 1-2% most people are predicting - wouldn't that be based on positive Covid cases. So if 1 million people have the Covid confirmed and only 100K die providing a 1% death rate of confirmed covid cases which is less than most countries; Yet in reality 5 million have the Covid and still 100K die, where is the upside? I guess I'm missing that point.

You were using Spain's 10% and our 1.5% which are based on reported cases. Since we (imo) don't know the actual number of cases, I think death rate per million is the best comparison between counties

[hacker]

This is where I disagree with you... I think we are much higher than the reported cases, which makes the death rate plummet. The vast majority of cases aren't being documented bc they aren't serious imo

US:

March 21: 46 deaths
March 22: 113 deaths
March 23: 141 deaths
March 24: 225 deaths
March 25: 247 deaths

This will continue going up. 300, 400, 500 a day. When will it end? Well, our new cases are continuing to grow as well.

March 21: 4825 new cases
March 22: 9400 new cases
March 23: 10189 new cases
March 24: 11075 new cases
March 25: 13355 new cases

It usually takes 2-4 weeks for someone to die from this virus. Our deaths per day will continue growing as long as our new cases do.

Remember, we're still about 12 days behind Italy and 8 days behind Spain.

[HancockCountyDog]

You were using Spain's 10% and our 1.5% which are based on reported cases. Since we (imo) don't know the actual number of cases, I think death rate per million is the best comparison between counties

It would seem to me that the stat that would be most relevant is confirmed Covid cases. As that grows - so does the death rate. We have to keep that number from doubling every 3 days, because that would seem to be the best predictor of people that will potentially die.

If that number continues to grow - as it has over the last 20 days - then the numbers will most likely continue to be accurate. I sure hope they stop doubling at the rate they are, but I just don't see the level of suppression they keep talking about being adhered to, and for many areas - it is too late based on the incubation period.

[msstate7]

US:

March 21: 46 deaths
March 22: 113 deaths
March 23: 141 deaths
March 24: 225 deaths
March 25: 247 deaths

This will continue going up. 300, 400, 500 a day. When will it end? Well, our new cases are continuing to grow as well.

March 21: 4825 new cases
March 22: 9400 new cases
March 23: 10189 new cases
March 24: 11075 new cases
March 25: 13355 new cases

It usually takes 2-4 weeks for someone to die from this virus. Our deaths per day will continue growing as long as our new cases do.

Remember, we're still about 12 days behind Italy and 8 days behind Spain.

What were the dates of the first confirmed cases in those counties? I see us on January 21, Italy on January 30, and Spain on Feb 1. Are those dates incorrect?

[HancockCountyDog]

Originally Posted by dantheman4248
I'd bet you all your VCash that the US has 30,000 confirmed cases by the start of Summer. We didn't do enough to contain it initially and it will slowly spread out. Bad take.


Your on!


Empty out that Vcash

[confucius say]

US:

March 21: 46 deaths
March 22: 113 deaths
March 23: 141 deaths
March 24: 225 deaths
March 25: 247 deaths

This will continue going up. 300, 400, 500 a day. When will it end? Well, our new cases are continuing to grow as well.

March 21: 4825 new cases
March 22: 9400 new cases
March 23: 10189 new cases
March 24: 11075 new cases
March 25: 13355 new cases

It usually takes 2-4 weeks for someone to die from this virus. Our deaths per day will continue growing as long as our new cases do.

Remember, we're still about 12 days behind Italy and 8 days behind Spain.

How many deaths you think the U.S. will have?

[HancockCountyDog]

What were the dates of the first confirmed cases in those counties? I see us on January 21, Italy on January 30, and Spain on Feb 1. Are those dates incorrect?

Not sure about first reported cases, but

Italy on 2/23 - had 155 cases
USA on 3/5 - had 159 cases

Roughly 10 days behind them originally.

Italy on 3/14 - had 21157 cases
USA on 3/14 - had 2836 cases

Today

Italy has 80539 cases
USA has 81285 cases

[msstate7]

Not sure about first reported cases, but

Italy on 2/23 - had 155 cases
USA on 3/5 - had 159 cases

Roughly 10 days behind them originally.

Italy on 3/14 - had 21157 cases
USA on 3/14 - had 2836 cases

Today

Italy has 80539 cases
USA has 81285 cases

When did both countries start mass testing? I'm genuinely interested in this bc if we had a confirmed case in late January, then I'm pretty sure he gave it to someone here who gave it to someone who gave it to someone. What if he wasn't the first case here just the first documented?

[HancockCountyDog]

When did both countries start mass testing? I'm genuinely interested in this bc if we had a confirmed case in late January, then I'm pretty sure he gave it to someone here who gave it to someone who gave it to someone. What if he wasn't the first case here just the first documented?

We have not started mass testing. By any rational definition we have not started mass testing.

I'm not sure I get the point of your inquiry though. It got to the US because people traveled from countries that had it and it spreads so easily. The article from South Korea about the 1 guy responsible for over 1000 cases by simply going to church and then a buffet. Just nutty stuff.

[hacker]

The guy from the article earlier tweets about it. A few more tweets in the thread.

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[Liverpooldawg]

When did both countries start mass testing? I'm genuinely interested in this bc if we had a confirmed case in late January, then I'm pretty sure he gave it to someone here who gave it to someone who gave it to someone. What if he wasn't the first case here just the first documented?

Italy is not testing anyone under 30 unless they are in the hospital.

[Liverpooldawg]

We have not started mass testing. By any rational definition we have not started mass testing.

I'm not sure I get the point of your inquiry though. It got to the US because people traveled from countries that had it and it spreads so easily. The article from South Korea about the 1 guy responsible for over 1000 cases by simply going to church and then a buffet. Just nutty stuff.

It was a woman, and she was told not to do it. She was patient zero for the cult church that is at the heart of the initial outbreak in South Korea.

[msstate7]

We have not started mass testing. By any rational definition we have not started mass testing.

I'm not sure I get the point of your inquiry though. It got to the US because people traveled from countries that had it and it spreads so easily. The article from South Korea about the 1 guy responsible for over 1000 cases by simply going to church and then a buffet. Just nutty stuff.

The reason I asked that was bc I was wondering if we timed our testing with when it started becoming widespread or did we find out it was widespread when we started testing?

[Liverpooldawg]

We have not started mass testing. By any rational definition we have not started mass testing.

I'm not sure I get the point of your inquiry though. It got to the US because people traveled from countries that had it and it spreads so easily. The article from South Korea about the 1 guy responsible for over 1000 cases by simply going to church and then a buffet. Just nutty stuff.

Nobody has really mass tested except for the Chinese, IF you believe what they are saying. THEY only did it in Wuhan, by their own admission.

[Liverpooldawg]

Not sure about first reported cases, but

Italy on 2/23 - had 155 cases
USA on 3/5 - had 159 cases

Roughly 10 days behind them originally.

Italy on 3/14 - had 21157 cases
USA on 3/14 - had 2836 cases

Today

Italy has 80539 cases
USA has 81285 cases

You are aware we have 5 1/5 times their population?

[HancockCountyDog]

You are aware we have 5 1/5 times their population?

Yes - that would seem to be a bad thing, right?

[msstate7]

Not sure about first reported cases, but

Italy on 2/23 - had 155 cases
USA on 3/5 - had 159 cases

Roughly 10 days behind them originally.

Italy on 3/14 - had 21157 cases
USA on 3/14 - had 2836 cases

Today

Italy has 80539 cases
USA has 81285 cases

According to this

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/

On March 2nd:
Italy had tested 23,345 (386 per million)
US had tested 472 (1 per million)

On March 9th:
Italy had tested 60,761 (1105 per million)
US had tested 8,554 (26 per million)

The difference in testing makes me wonder if that's some of the case totals difference

[msstate7]

According to this

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/

On March 2nd:
Italy had tested 23,345 (386 per million)
US had tested 472 (1 per million)

On March 9th:
Italy had tested 60,761 (1105 per million)
US had tested 8,554 (26 per million)

The difference in testing makes me wonder if that's some of the case totals difference

This video states what I was thinking much better than I could express it in words here. Really interesting....

https://youtu.be/mCa0JXEwDEk

Sirbarksalot posted it on SPS

[Dawgology]

As I have stated ad nauseum: these tests are NOT indicative of the rate of spread they are indicative of an exponential increase in testing. The folks who are testing positive right now are showing symptoms which means they contracted the virus 1-2 weeks ago. We will have more cases than any other country outside of China and India. Why? Because we have higher populations than any other country.

[hacker]

As I have stated ad nauseum: these tests are NOT indicative of the rate of spread they are indicative of an exponential increase in testing. The folks who are testing positive right now are showing symptoms which means they contracted the virus 1-2 weeks ago. We will have more cases than any other country outside of China and India. Why? Because we have higher populations than any other country.

You know we just passed China right?

ETA:

People who are getting tested are sick. We're not testing everybody. It is quite indicative of the spread.

We didn't have hospitals on the brink of failure in February. This has not been going around undetected in large parts of the population for months. If it was, our hospitals would've been full before now.

[msstate7]

You know we just passed China right?

So you think China's numbers are accurate?

[hacker]

So you think China's numbers are accurate?

I can't really say if their numbers are accurate. They def could've lied about how many people tested positive back then, but there is real world evidence that they're getting back to normal now.

Apple re-opened their stores in China and closed them in the rest of the world. Traffic data shows Shanghai getting back to normal. They're lifting the lockdown in Wuhan: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/asia/coronavirus-wuhan-lockdown-lifted-intl-hnk/index.html

[msstate7]

I can't really say if their numbers are accurate. They def could've lied about how many people tested positive back then, but there is real world evidence that they're getting back to normal now.

Apple re-opened their stores in China and closed them in the rest of the world. Traffic data shows Shanghai getting back to normal. They're lifting the lockdown in Wuhan: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/asia/coronavirus-wuhan-lockdown-lifted-intl-hnk/index.html

Interesting.

What you make of the 21 million missing cell phones in China?

[defiantdog]

Interesting.

What you make of the 21 million missing cell phones in China?

Fake news or the government shutting off phones that tried to expose the situation via social media.

[msstate7]

Fake news or the government shutting off phones that tried to expose the situation via social media.

I buy both more than I buy that many Chinese died. I do think the numbers in China are more than reported though. Crazy leaders could've sent 10,000 infected around the world, and it wouldn't surprise me

[Liverpooldawg]

I buy both more than I buy that many Chinese died. I do think the numbers in China are more than reported though. Crazy leaders could've sent 10,000 infected around the world, and it wouldn't surprise me

If that many died they could not cover it up. I think they absolutely lied about their numbers, but not to that extent.

[shoeless joe]

You know we just passed China right?

ETA:

People who are getting tested are sick. We're not testing everybody. It is quite indicative of the spread.

We didn't have hospitals on the brink of failure in February. This has not been going around undetected in large parts of the population for months. If it was, our hospitals would've been full before now.

I’ve appreciated the numbers you’ve been posting but this post lost me. Obviously the more we test the more we find. I also saw somewhere, don’t know where, today that something like 14% of the tested are positive. So we are testing more, we are finding more cases, it is spreading, but a lot of folks don’t have it.

That said, dr birx today talked about how either the numbers are way off or there are a ton of folks that have it that are asymptomatic.

[msstate7]

I’ve appreciated the numbers you’ve been posting but this post lost me. Obviously the more we test the more we find. I also saw somewhere, don’t know where, today that something like 14% of the tested are positive. So we are testing more, we are finding more cases, it is spreading, but a lot of folks don’t have it.

That said, dr birx today talked about how either the numbers are way off or there are a ton of folks that have it that are asymptomatic.
This is the % of positives for all the tests performed thru that date:
March 4th: .136 positive
Match 8th: .152 positive
March 12th: .141 positive
Match 16th: .100 positive
Match 20th: .126 positive
March 23rd: .151 positive
March 24th: .151 positive
Match 25th: .152 positive
March 26th: .155 positive

https://covidtracking.com/us-daily/

[hacker]

I?ve appreciated the numbers you?ve been posting but this post lost me. Obviously the more we test the more we find. I also saw somewhere, don?t know where, today that something like 14% of the tested are positive. So we are testing more, we are finding more cases, it is spreading, but a lot of folks don?t have it.

That said, dr birx today talked about how either the numbers are way off or there are a ton of folks that have it that are asymptomatic.

So, my point was that the # of positives is indicative of the spread. It's not 100% indicative, but it's about the best we've got right now.

Today, we did around 100,000 tests. If we did 100,000 tests a few weeks ago, we wouldn't have found ~15k cases. If there were just as many cases already in the population back then, our hospitals would've also been full back then. But they weren't, we were barely hearing anything on that front.

So I don't think it's fair to just ignore the new case numbers and say "oh we're testing more people, of course we're gonna find more cases, it doesn't mean it's spreading"

I agree that it's not 100% accurate, but you can get a fairly clear picture from it IMO

[Extendedcab]

This is where I disagree with you... I think we are much higher than the reported cases, which makes the death rate plummet. The vast majority of cases aren't being documented bc they aren't serious imo


I agree, as I was one of the ones they would not test even though I exhibited most of the symptoms except for a fever over 101.5.

I was told by my doctor to assume I had the virus and take appropriate precautions and self quarantine.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Here's some charts I made attempting to compare # of cases relative to population using 8 days worth of the Worldometers data. Feel free to rip them apart. They obviously don't account for "how far along" in the disease process each country is.

First one is just trending the Total Cases/1m Pop
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This one I just subtracted the previous day's Total Cases/1m Pop from the current day's number to try to chart the rates of rise
3174


I made it because I keep seeing this chart to show how our trajectory is so much worse than everyone else's (this one was posted on SPS yesterday)
https://forums.sixpackspeak.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=15659&d=1585236011&thumb=1
My question is, isn't it obvious that our trajectory is going to be much steeper than all the other countries on the list when the chart is just reporting total # of cases? The population closest to ours that is reliable (China is questionable, India is a joke) is Japan, who is 3x smaller than us. All the European countries we are being compared to are more like 4-6x smaller than we are.

[msstate7]

Here's some charts I made attempting to compare # of cases relative to population using 8 days worth of the Worldometers data. Feel free to rip them apart. They obviously don't account for "how far along" in the disease process each country is.

First one is just trending the Total Cases/1m Pop
3173

This one I just subtracted the previous day's Total Cases/1m Pop from the current day's number to try to chart the rates of rise
3174


I made it because I keep seeing this chart to show how our trajectory is so much worse than everyone else's (this one was posted on SPS yesterday)
https://forums.sixpackspeak.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=15659&d=1585236011&thumb=1
My question is, isn't it obvious that our trajectory is going to be much steeper than all the other countries on the list when the chart is just reporting total # of cases? The population closest to ours that is reliable (China is questionable, India is a joke) is Japan, who is 3x smaller than us. All the European countries we are being compared to are more like 4-6x smaller than we are.

Good work. You'd also have to account for us out-testing everyone right now... more tests = more cases.

[hacker]

579 total cases in MS, 7 total deaths
94 new cases, 2 new deaths

3,139 "official" tests

DeSoto is getting hit hard, 63 total cases
104 cases in the metro area
Lauderdale from 0 to 10 in 2 days
First death in Rankin

[starkvegasdawg]

579 total cases in MS, 7 total deaths
94 new cases, 2 new deaths

3,139 "official" tests

DeSoto is getting hit hard, 63 total cases
104 cases in the metro area
Lauderdale from 0 to 10 in 2 days
First death in Rankin

That's now a mortality rate of 1.6% in MS which is slowly creeping up. Maybe not statistically significantly creeping up, but creeping up.

[msstate7]

579 total cases in MS, 7 total deaths
94 new cases, 2 new deaths

3,139 "official" tests

DeSoto is getting hit hard, 63 total cases
104 cases in the metro area
Lauderdale from 0 to 10 in 2 days
First death in Rankin

94 new cases out of 3139 tests?

[confucius say]

That's now a mortality rate of 1.6% in MS which is slowly creeping up. Maybe not statistically significantly creeping up, but creeping up.

1.6 is not the mortality rate. It is the rate of deaths among positive tests.

[BrunswickDawg]

94 new cases out of 3139 tests?

I think that is the total number of tests to date, not tests for yesterday

[msstate7]

I think that is the total number of tests to date, not tests for yesterday

Bummer. I was excited we had ramped up testing and low rate

[DownwardDawg]

I agree, as I was one of the ones they would not test even though I exhibited most of the symptoms except for a fever over 101.5.

I was told by my doctor to assume I had the virus and take appropriate precautions and self quarantine.

This is what happened with my wife and she is a nurse. She isolated and is fine now. No testing. We also think my 26 year old daughter had it. She exhibited all the signs and was very sick for a couple weeks. She even had the real red eyes that many patients are exhibiting. Neither were ever tested.

[Dawg2003]

That's now a mortality rate of 1.6% in MS which is slowly creeping up. Maybe not statistically significantly creeping up, but creeping up.

Something else to consider is that people are staying on ventilators for 2 and 3 weeks. So we won't have a good grasp on the mortality for awhile. I've seen that anywhere from 30-80% of people die after they are intubated, which is scary.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

94 new cases out of 3139 tests?


I think that is the total number of tests to date, not tests for yesterday

From MSDH website:
"About our case counts: We currently update our map and statistics each morning with test results from the previous day. Outside laboratories also report positive test results to us, which are included our totals."

So the reported total number of tests for the state are only the MSDH tests + positive tests from outside commercial labs.

[Cooterpoot]

I can't believe we aren't all dead already. **

[msstate7]

US deaths per million: 4
Miss deaths per million: 2.3

We're still below national mark right now

[hacker]

36 deaths in Louisiana since yesterday
919 deaths in Italy since yesterday

[BB30]

So, do we have to line up in front of a two way TV and exercise? I think I've seen that somewhere before.

Yes, If you can't afford your own health insurance and expect others to cover it. I think that is the least someone could do if they aren't paying in on health insurance and I am not sure why that would be wrong? Now if you're paying your taxes due then I have no problems with you eating whatever you want and exercising however you see fit as you're paying your part of the bill.

The thought that someone should be able to stay as unhealthy as possible while getting free healthcare paid for by others isn't right. They should at the very least attempt to avoid things that would put them at a higher risk of ending up in the hospital or at a doctors office.

[msstate7]

36 deaths in Louisiana since yesterday
919 deaths in Italy since yesterday

LA death per million: 17.7
Wow

[hacker]

1243582199967944704

[softballfanatic1]

^ This is what MS should be doing. I had to go to the pharmacy for an essential medication and it is astounding the people going about their business like nothing is going on. Walmart, Lowe?s, pawn shops, barber shops, convenience stores, liquor stores and traffic everywhere. At this rate going up ~20% everyday; in 14 days Mississippi will be at ~7500 cases. And based on current death/confirmed cases percentage increases. In 14 days we could see 300+ deaths. Tired of people comparing this to the flu. Flu related hospitalizations are under 5%. COVID-19 is around 30+ % and it?s 4-5 times more contagious.

[softballfanatic1]

US deaths per million: 4
Miss deaths per million: 2.3

We're still below national mark right now
Just wait... that will change. With our diabetic and hypertensive population and the COPD patients. It?s about to get a lot worse.

[softballfanatic1]

Hope Im wrong!!

[Dawg2003]

I think there are a lot of people waking around here spreading it. I've heard from some people that work in ERs here and in New Orleans that people are coming in with symptoms and are being sent home without testing if they are not in distress. They are being told to quarantine, but how do you know they are doing it?

[softballfanatic1]

That is what is scary. Many people have no symptoms at all or mild symptom at best. And some are contagious for up to 14 days before having any symptoms. I may go broke over this but we all need to freaking stay home unless absolute necessary. It ain?t that complicated folks.

[msstate7]

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

This article lists Fauci as an author. Check out 3rd paragraph

[BrunswickDawg]

1243582199967944704

this is actually very similar to what a number of cities and counties in GA are doing. City of Brunswick passed ours on Monday, and our County passed it Wednesday.

[softballfanatic1]

Thanks for the info! Good article, but at the same time many contagious folks are out shopping like it?s nothing and have no clue they are contagious. I?ll bet my stimulus check that I won?t be getting that the fatalities will far exceed any flu season since the flu-shot. We have no immunities to this virus and it?s more contagious. Not disagreeing with Fauci or you. He is an expert in his field and I am in mine. Just concerned. But again thanks for sharing! I need some good news in my life.

[Commercecomet24]

This is pretty cool. Lots of Americans pitching in trying to help during this thing:

https://umc.edu/news/News_Articles/2020/03/UMMC-begins-in-house-testing-for-COVID-19.html

[hacker]

This is pretty cool. Lots of Americans pitching in trying to help during this thing:

https://umc.edu/news/News_Articles/2020/03/UMMC-begins-in-house-testing-for-COVID-19.html

Thanks for the link. I just want everyone to put politics aside and come together so we can get through this. We can get back to the bickering when this is over.

[Commercecomet24]

Thanks for the link. I just want everyone to put politics aside and come together so we can get through this. We can get back to the bickering when this is over.

You're welcome and I agree wholeheartedly. I'm seeing more and more people pitching in and doing whatever they can to help. We have thousands of seniors on our medical alert service and I've talked to many this week and they're an inspiration. Let's all keep fighting the good fight and help each other get through this. It's gonna take a village on this one!

[BeardoMSU]

Thanks for the link. I just want everyone to put politics aside and come together so we can get through this. We can get back to the bickering when this is over.

Hear, hear.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

^ This is what MS should be doing. I had to go to the pharmacy for an essential medication and it is astounding the people going about their business like nothing is going on. Walmart, Lowe?s, pawn shops, barber shops, convenience stores, liquor stores and traffic everywhere. At this rate going up ~20% everyday; in 14 days Mississippi will be at ~7500 cases. And based on current death/confirmed cases percentage increases. In 14 days we could see 300+ deaths. Tired of people comparing this to the flu. Flu related hospitalizations are under 5%. COVID-19 is around 30+ % and it?s 4-5 times more contagious.

I don't know that Walmart, Lowe's, pawn shops, convenience stores, or liquor stores are being closed by the Alabama mandate just based on the quoted tweet above.

Personally, I would argue that keeping Lowe's open is a necessary sacrifice for keeping people sane at home and not roaming to even more locations. (half-serious)

[dawgday166]

Seems like stats on how this is affecting the various age groups in US are non-existent for some reason. At least I can't seem to find any.

[hacker]

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[confucius say]

Thanks for the link. I just want everyone to put politics aside and come together so we can get through this. We can get back to the bickering when this is over.

Great post.

[defiantdog]

Thanks for the link. I just want everyone to put politics aside and come together so we can get through this. We can get back to the bickering when this is over.
Completely agree

[Dawgology]

579 total cases in MS, 7 total deaths
94 new cases, 2 new deaths

3,139 "official" tests

DeSoto is getting hit hard, 63 total cases
104 cases in the metro area
Lauderdale from 0 to 10 in 2 days
First death in Rankin

You can thank the two large groups from DeSoto County that went on a "mission trip" to the Dominican Republic for Spring Break for that. I wish people would have been paying attention to the warnings that were being put out about Spring Break travel. There is no unringing that bell.

[dantheman4248]

Do you understand exponential growth? We'll have 100k cases around March 30.


Is that a fact?

-Conversation in this thread on March 20th. Removed name as to not flame because at this point I think the point has been made to those not wanting to believe and shaming them further is just going to hurt the cause.

But it appears it was indeed a fact. The only thing possibly wrong is that it was too conservative of an estimate.

[hacker]

Sadly, I think we are going to hit 1000 deaths per day in about a week

[defiantdog]

Sadly, I think we are going to hit 1000 deaths per day in about a week
But how many recoveries?

[hacker]

But how many recoveries?

Edit: Actually, I'll just say around 1500 if trends continue

[hacker]

MS:

84 new cases, 663 total
5 new deaths, 13 total

They released some new chart data.

All 13 deaths were > 60 years old
48% of cases are < 50 years old
1/3 of all cases have led to hospitalization

About 12% of cases in 30-49 year olds are hospitalized
20% of 50-59 year olds hospitalized
32% of 60-69 year olds hospitalized

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/images/graphics/covid19-chart-age-28.png
https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/images/graphics/covid19-chart-hospitalized-age-28.png

[defiantdog]

MS:

84 new cases, 663 total
5 new deaths, 13 total

They released some new chart data.

All 13 deaths were > 60 years old
48% of cases are < 50 years old
1/3 of all cases have led to hospitalization

About 12% of cases in 30-49 year olds are hospitalized
20% of 50-59 year olds hospitalized
32% of 60-69 year olds hospitalized

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/images/graphics/covid19-chart-age-28.png
https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/images/graphics/covid19-chart-hospitalized-age-28.png
Those are better numbers and more on what we thought would happen. I wonder how many people have it and don't know it. Also, I'm hearing virus load may be what is making younger people sicker.

[Dawgology]

MS:

84 new cases, 663 total
5 new deaths, 13 total

They released some new chart data.

All 13 deaths were > 60 years old
48% of cases are < 50 years old
1/3 of all cases have led to hospitalization

About 12% of cases in 30-49 year olds are hospitalized
20% of 50-59 year olds hospitalized
32% of 60-69 year olds hospitalized

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/images/graphics/covid19-chart-age-28.png
https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/images/graphics/covid19-chart-hospitalized-age-28.png

Based on these numbers approximately .022% percent of the population of Mississippi have tested positive for Covid-19. Approximately .005% of the population of Mississippi has been hospitalized due to Covid-19. Of those hospitalized 82% of them are in the 50+ age range. 66% of them are in the 60+ age range. We were at 100+ cases on March 20th (approximately) so we are 8 days in to this. Someone else with the computational know how can plot the line graph to see where that puts us against other growth rates across the country. We've basically added 563 cases over 8 days for an average of 70 new cases per day.

[Jack Lambert]

Some things I am not getting.

Fox news interviewed a doctor who works in a Brooklyn New York hospital. One of the hardest hit hospital with cases. He said this.

1. He is taking the Chorid crap they keep talking about. He says doctors take that stuff all the time to fight off virus. That tells me they know it works and they are Bull shitting us they have to test it.
2. He also said men are more vulnerable. I have heard that before.
3. Certain blood types are less vulnerable. He said O positive is the best blood to have to fight off the virus.

Now another thing. Why test for temperature? Are you only contagious when you have a fever. If not why hell does it matter if you have fever or not to go to work (S. Korea) or the White House. Either you have it or not. Either you can pass it on or not. That is what I been hearing so why check Temperature?

They know more then what they are saying.

[hacker]

Some things I am not getting.

Fox news interviewed a doctor who works in a Brooklyn New York hospital. One of the hardest hit hospital with cases. He said this.

1. He is taking the Chorid crap they keep talking about. He says doctors take that stuff all the time to fight off virus. That tells me they know it works and they are Bull shitting us they have to test it.
2. He also said men are more vulnerable. I have heard that before.
3. Certain blood types are less vulnerable. He said O positive is the best blood to have to fight off the virus.

Now another thing. Why test for temperature? Are you only contagious when you have a fever. If not why hell does it matter if you have fever or not to go to work (S. Korea) or the White House. Either you have it or not. Either you can pass it on or not. That is what I been hearing so why check Temperature?

They know more then what they are saying.

1. They're giving chloroquine for this already. The ole miss 247sports guy in ICU is even on it. It's not approved for this usage but doctors can get around that with "compassionate usage." It may help some but it absolutely is not some miracle cure.

2. Mississippi stats show females have tested positive more often than males.

3. I've heard the blood type thing before. Could be true, don't think it's proven though.

They check temp because it's one of the early signs. You're right that you can be contagious without symptoms but you can't give a covid test to everybody on the spot, so it's better than nothing.

Anyway, not sure where you were headed with this. I'm not picking up what you're putting down.

[Todd4State]

1. They're giving chloroquine for this already. The ole miss 247sports guy in ICU is even on it. It's not approved for this usage but doctors can get around that with "compassionate usage." It may help some but it absolutely is not some miracle cure.

2. Mississippi stats show females have tested positive more often than males.

3. I've heard the blood type thing before. Could be true, don't think it's proven though.

They check temp because it's one of the early signs. You're right that you can be contagious without symptoms but you can't give a covid test to everybody on the spot, so it's better than nothing.

Anyway, not sure where you were headed with this. I'm not picking up what you're putting down.

I've heard only positive things about chloroquine so far which is encouraging. I think people are being cautious about it because since they can't do their standard years of trial research on gold standard of sample sizes on it if it turns out not to help or let's say something helps out even more then they're basically covering their asses.

[hacker]

I've heard only positive things about chloroquine so far which is encouraging. I think people are being cautious about it because since they can't do their standard years of trial research on gold standard of sample sizes on it if it turns out not to help or let's say something helps out even more then they're basically covering their asses.

The thing is we've been using it for weeks. Yet 500 people died in the US yesterday. Maybe that would've been 1000 without chloroquine, who knows. But it's not the miracle cure some people think it is.

[Randolph Dupree]

Sorry if this has already been discussed but I just read this and it struck me as interesting. I think we all believe that China under reported COVID-19 stats. The article I read said they reported 3,299 deaths as of the time of the article. Here's the interesting part, one funeral home in Wuhan received back to back shipments of 5,000 urns (two days in a row this past week). Even if 1/3 of those urns are used on COVID-19 deaths that doubles the number officially reported. Wow!

If you have any investment interests in China I'd suggest pulling out yesterday. There has been a move afoot for a while for some companies to pull out of China; this is going to kick that into overdrive.

[hacker]

One good thing looking at MS data: our date of symptom onset has been pretty steady for the past 6 full days of data.

In other words, for 6 days straight, about the same number of people got sick. Hopefully that number of people will not grow.

[BrunswickDawg]

I've heard only positive things about chloroquine so far which is encouraging. I think people are being cautious about it because since they can't do their standard years of trial research on gold standard of sample sizes on it if it turns out not to help or let's say something helps out even more then they're basically covering their asses.
The thing with chloroquine is that there is not a treatment protocol in place for it. How many MG per dose? How many doses per day? For how long? Will it work effectively at different stages of infections, etc? Not even to mention that no one knows if it could trigger side effects that are unique to this virus and drug combo. That's why Fauci and others have said it is promising, but they don't want people randomly using it on their own.

[KOdawg1]

Sorry if this has already been discussed but I just read this and it struck me as interesting. I think we all believe that China under reported COVID-19 stats. The article I read said they reported 3,299 deaths as of the time of the article. Here's the interesting part, one funeral home in Wuhan received back to back shipments of 5,000 urns (two days in a row this past week). Even if 1/3 of those urns are used on COVID-19 deaths that doubles the number officially reported. Wow!

If you have any investment interests in China I'd suggest pulling out yesterday. There has been a move afoot for a while for some companies to pull out of China; this is going to kick that into overdrive.

No doubt China has lied. People can blame our government for this spreading and getting out of control all they want, but the fact is if China is honest about information and the severity of this outbreak from the start, we wouldn't be in this mess now. They locked up a Doctor who was trying to warn the global community about the disease. This is what happens in communist countries.

I hope this serves as a wake up call for us and the rest of the world that you don't need to become dependent on China. They're inept (f'n morons are eating bats). CNN says that 80% of our antibiotics come from China. That's unacceptable.

[hacker]

This is going to be the most hated post ever posted on this board.

But regarding blaming China:

"When you point your finger, you have 3 fingers pointing back at yourself"

[KOdawg1]

This is going to be the most hated post ever posted on this board.

But regarding blaming China:

"When you point your finger, you have 3 fingers pointing back at yourself"
Does this apply to Italy? Spain?

[msstate7]

This is going to be the most hated post ever posted on this board.

But regarding blaming China:

"When you point your finger, you have 3 fingers pointing back at yourself"

https://i.postimg.cc/pTmGSm60/8-A0669-EB-D3-BB-456-E-B17-A-9-F2-AA9-AF3-F1-C.jpg (https://postimg.cc/XG0kGY3F)temporary image hosting (https://postimages.org/)

https://twitter.com/who/status/1217043229427761152?s=21

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Yeah, we are certainly more to blame than China. What a moronic statement #TDS

[hacker]

https://i.postimg.cc/pTmGSm60/8-A0669-EB-D3-BB-456-E-B17-A-9-F2-AA9-AF3-F1-C.jpg (https://postimg.cc/XG0kGY3F)temporary image hosting (https://postimages.org/)

https://twitter.com/who/status/1217043229427761152?s=21

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Yeah, we are certainly more to blame than China. What a moronic statement #TDS

It's our fault for not being ready. South Korea was ready. Japan was ready.

[defiantdog]

It's our fault for not being ready. South Korea was ready. Japan was ready.
its going to hit Japan..... just a matter of time. Too many people there to contain.

[DownwardDawg]

This is going to be the most hated post ever posted on this board.

But regarding blaming China:

"When you point your finger, you have 3 fingers pointing back at yourself"

You just lost all credibility.

[hacker]

MS update

95 new cases, 758 total cases
1 new death, 14 total deaths

The 1 new death is a 40-49 year old

138 cases in metro area
Some delta counties have a lot of cases relative to population (Coahoma has 18 cases and only 23k people)

[hacker]

You just lost all credibility.

It was a Moorhead quote too, I knew y'all would love it

[chef dixon]

Almost no one is dying in an ICU from COVID-19 in this country without being on hydroxychloroquine unless they are in an randomized controlled trial and randomized not to receive it. That does not mean it is the right or wrong thing to do for the patient. That has yet to be determined.

[SheltonChoked]

I've heard only positive things about chloroquine so far which is encouraging. I think people are being cautious about it because since they can't do their standard years of trial research on gold standard of sample sizes on it if it turns out not to help or let's say something helps out even more then they're basically covering their asses.

The issue with the Chloroquine /Zpack treatment is it will give a certain % of the population a heart attack.

Having a bunch of heart attacks when we are trying to figure out how to get enough ICU beds for Covid-19 is counter productive....

[starkvegasdawg]

Now 758 cases in MS. Jump of 95 from yesterday if my math is correct.

[hacker]

Here's an analogy for blaming China.

There's a robber on the loose in your neighborhood. You're standing on your front porch watching him run from house to house. He gets to your house. You're still standing there watching. He robs you. You get mad and blame your neighbors for not stopping him.

[msstate7]

We've now tested over 700k people in the US, and doing about a 90k a day. I wish we'd do a testing sample of around 10k people around the country that show no symptoms. I'd really like to know how many would test positive. Of the ones that tested positive, I'd like to watch them to see how many end up developing symptoms and how long it takes

[cheewgumm]

Hacker, id add ?you first built a fence to protect your family bit the other neighbors called you racist for doing so?, then continue with your analogy.

[MaroonFlounder]

The issue with the Chloroquine /Zpack treatment is it will give a certain % of the population a heart attack.

Having a bunch of heart attacks when we are trying to figure out how to get enough ICU beds for Covid-19 is counter productive....

Link for that data?

[hacker]

We've now tested over 700k people in the US, and doing about a 90k a day. I wish we'd do a testing sample of around 10k people around the country that show no symptoms. I'd really like to know how many would test positive. Of the ones that tested positive, I'd like to watch them to see how many end up developing symptoms and how long it takes

100% agreed

[dantheman4248]

Heard a rumor that when people are on ventilators w/ COVID-19 that the doctors are ordered to treat them as Do Not Resuscitate. This will inevitably make the lethality be higher than it should be as it would mean we are not fighting this as best we can for every patient.

Not saying this is factual, just looking to see if others have heard similarly.

[chef dixon]

Link for that data?

SheltonChoked is on the right track. Z-pack + hydroxychloroquine (and each one individually) does put patients at a higher risk for a potentially fatal heart rhythm (not exactly a heart attack). The risk it actually happens is quite low, but it is something to be concerned about in an already critical condition patient. But he brings up a good point: everything doctors do, even in dire situations, have risks and can make things worse. That is why its not as simple as passing out these meds to everyone.

[Dawgology]

It seems they are waiting until someone is hospitalized and looking really bad before trying the z-pack/chlor. It's not a miracle drug but what it is is a prophylactic which is why doctors and nurses that are treating patients with Covid-19 are freely taking chloro. It needs to be administered to everyone that is at risk, beginning to show symptoms, etc. not as they are lying on their death bed. Don't give me crap about heart issues. Chloro was gobbled up by hundreds of thousands of US soldiers in Vietnam. Here it is verbatim by the CDC. Why are they suddenly changing their tune.

https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/hydroxychloroquine.pdf

[yjnkdawg]

Delete

[chef dixon]

Heard a rumor that when people are on ventilators w/ COVID-19 that the doctors are ordered to treat them as Do Not Resuscitate. This will inevitably make the lethality be higher than it should be as it would mean we are not fighting this as best we can for every patient.

Not saying this is factual, just looking to see if others have heard similarly.

Impossible to know every instance, but unlikely to be true. DNR ends up being way more complicated than it may seem. There are always misconceptions about what it entails and causes a lot of confusion and misunderstanding between doctors and patients/family. Going on the ventilator itself in theory goes against a general DNR order, although situations when a previously healthy loved one deteriorates are always fluid. What you are hearing would be incredibly hard to do ethically as long as hospitals have capacity. There are certainly instances where once a patient is on the ventilator and chances of recovery look pretty bad, the doctors can decide to not do any further CPR type interventions but usually will try to treat them properly otherwise. Getting to that point is not easy ethically and I would be surprised if they are already making that a blanket policy anywhere.

[defiantdog]

Here's an analogy for blaming China.

There's a robber on the loose in your neighborhood. You're standing on your front porch watching him run from house to house. He gets to your house. You're still standing there watching. He robs you. You get mad and blame your neighbors for not stopping him.
Yeah, but you know this robber because it came from your neighbor's house.

[hacker]

Yeah, but you know this robber because it came from your neighbor's house.

Fair enough. Still your fault for not doing anything though.

China did some bad things but to sit here and try to blame someone other than ourselves for not being prepared is a loser attitude.

They're even trying to help us.

1244285122154815490

[dparker]

Here's an analogy for blaming China.

There's a robber on the loose in your neighborhood. You're standing on your front porch watching him run from house to house. He gets to your house. You're still standing there watching. He robs you. You get mad and blame your neighbors for not stopping him.

Not to mention we pulled the people who were supposed to be monitoring this kind of thing from on the ground in China. Having experts on the ground would have given us a clearer picture.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv/exclusive-u-s-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3N5

[chef dixon]

It seems they are waiting until someone is hospitalized and looking really bad before trying the z-pack/chlor. It's not a miracle drug but what it is is a prophylactic which is why doctors and nurses that are treating patients with Covid-19 are freely taking chloro. It needs to be administered to everyone that is at risk, beginning to show symptoms, etc. not as they are lying on their death bed. Don't give me crap about heart issues. Chloro was gobbled up by hundreds of thousands of US soldiers in Vietnam. Here it is verbatim by the CDC. Why are they suddenly changing their tune.

https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/hydroxychloroquine.pdf

Not arguing for or against that suggestion that more people should be on it, but it has not been validated as prophylactic (for COVID specifically) either. The doctors and nurses that are doing so are not doing it based on any concrete evidence.

[Mjoelner34]

Not to mention we pulled the people who were supposed to be monitoring this kind of thing from on the ground in China. Having experts on the ground would have given us a clearer picture.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv/exclusive-u-s-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3N5

From the article: “The problem was China, not that we didn’t have CDC people in China,” said Scott McNabb, a former CDC epidemiologist who is now a research professor with Emory University. He pointed to China’s censorship as the main culprit in the spread of the pandemic, which has infected at least 435,470 people worldwide, killed 19,598 and upended the global economy.

[Todd4State]

The issue with the Chloroquine /Zpack treatment is it will give a certain % of the population a heart attack.

Having a bunch of heart attacks when we are trying to figure out how to get enough ICU beds for Covid-19 is counter productive....

You're worried about people having heart attacks in a country that consumes how much fast food?

Worrying about the small percentage that may get an arrhythmia (not a heart attack) at the expense of thousands dying is illogical.

[Mjoelner34]

Fair enough. Still your fault for not doing anything though.

China did some bad things but to sit here and try to blame someone other than ourselves for not being prepared is a loser attitude.

They're even trying to help us.

1244285122154815490

Yeah. They're helping alright.
https://www.herald.ng/covid-19-netherlands-recalls-600000-defective-chinese-masks/?fbclid=IwAR0TxEbBpzj9swHpcpGqLutgQUWcPv-UceYm6DOcETA3DapN5ie82AP483k

[Todd4State]

Yeah. They're helping alright.
https://www.herald.ng/covid-19-netherlands-recalls-600000-defective-chinese-masks/?fbclid=IwAR0TxEbBpzj9swHpcpGqLutgQUWcPv-UceYm6DOcETA3DapN5ie82AP483k

They're such an epic fail of a country.

[Jack Lambert]

Everything the CDC planned for was based on past experience. The last pandemic was H1N1. That was the bench mark for them. To not say it was the Chinese who let this get out of hand is assinie. Also the Word Health Organization had a hand in it as well. Look who the leader of the World Health Organization, look where he is from and look to which his country has a lot of economic ties to. He help cover up for him. China will be sued over this in fact a law suit has already been filed in Florida.

[Mjoelner34]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Jack Lambert again.

[starkvegasdawg]

Everything the CDC planned for was based on past experience. The last pandemic was H1N1. That was the bench mark for them. To not say it was the Chinese who let this get out of hand is assinie. Also the Word Health Organization had a hand in it as well. Look who the leader of the World Health Organization, look where he is from and look to which his country has a lot of economic ties to. He help cover up for him. China will be sued over this in fact a law suit has already been filed in Florida.

Do you really think China gives half a shit about a lawsuit filed in FL? How many international laws do they break every day? They don't give a tinker's damn about Bob from Boca suing them.

[99jc]

Well it's about to get real for me got fitted for my hazmat suit. And My TDY Tasker says the winning destination is.....New Orleans to start. I'm glad I took out extra life insurance a few months ago. This sucks I hate spring breakers and Boubon street partiers right now.

[Jack Lambert]

Do you really think China gives half a shit about a lawsuit filed in FL? How many international laws do they break every day? They don't give a tinker's damn about Bob from Boca suing them.

It's just the first. A country has immunity against law suit unless they act recklessly then they can be sued. This is just the first of law suits. I suspect they will me sued for trillions of dollars from people around the world when this is over. Don't kid your self they want this to go away. that's why with the help of the World Health Organization they tried to hide it for so long. They are looking real bad now. They do care what the world thinks of them. I suspect they are lying to the world today about everything. You right they don't give a shit about a law suit in Florida now.

[Jack Lambert]

Well it's about to get real for me got fitted for my hazmat suit. And My TDY Tasker says the winning destination is.....New Orleans to start. I'm glad I took out extra life insurance a few months ago. This sucks I hate spring breakers and Boubon street partiers right now.

Be careful!

[Todd4State]

It's just the first. A country has immunity against law suit unless they act recklessly then they can be sued. This is just the first of law suits. I suspect they will me sued for trillions of dollars from people around the world when this is over. Don't kid your self they want this to go away. that's why with the help of the World Health Organization they tried to hide it for so long. They are looking real bad now. They do care what the world thinks of them. I suspect they are lying to the world today about everything. You right they don't give a shit about a law suit in Florida now.

I think America is about to significantly cut back on their reliance for their cheap half assed shit. Probably the rest of the world too.

[confucius say]

I think America is about to significantly cut back on their reliance for their cheap half assed shit. Probably the rest of the world too.

I hope so. Maybe if nothing else this whole travesty will make us more self reliant and not so China-dependent.

But it will cost companies more to make stuff here, so it will cost consumers more. You think we would be willing to pay more for our products?

[Todd4State]

I hope so. Maybe if nothing else this whole travesty will make us more self reliant and not so China-dependent.

But it will cost companies more to make stuff here, so it will cost consumers more. You think we would be willing to pay more for our products?

YES!

And I wouldn't be surprised if companies get tax breaks to produce things here to try to keep the cost down. India is about to be a BIG winner in all of this. I think a lot of things that were being produced overseas in China are going to be produced there instead. It's going to be awhile before Americans forget about this.

[Commercecomet24]

I hope so. Maybe if nothing else this whole travesty will make us more self reliant and not so China-dependent.

But it will cost companies more to make stuff here, so it will cost consumers more. You think we would be willing to pay more for our products?

Yes I would. I hate that we ever became so dependent on other countries for our products.

[DownwardDawg]

Well it's about to get real for me got fitted for my hazmat suit. And My TDY Tasker says the winning destination is.....New Orleans to start. I'm glad I took out extra life insurance a few months ago. This sucks I hate spring breakers and Boubon street partiers right now.

Damn that sucks dude. Stay safe out there. And give me a quick pass through when I have to go through there in a few days. Got my credentials laminated today so I can just hold them up to my truck window!!

[Commercecomet24]

I think America is about to significantly cut back on their reliance for their cheap half assed shit. Probably the rest of the world too.

Amen!

[Commercecomet24]

Well it's about to get real for me got fitted for my hazmat suit. And My TDY Tasker says the winning destination is.....New Orleans to start. I'm glad I took out extra life insurance a few months ago. This sucks I hate spring breakers and Boubon street partiers right now.

Be careful out there. I will Be praying for your safety!

[Liverpooldawg]

My son's friends in Germany told him this a couple of weeks ago, I saw it in print today. The reason Germany has such a low COVID death rate is this: if you have an underlying health condition, that condition is your officially listed cause of death, not COVID. Given the established link between underlying conditions and COVID death rates, that would tend to lower your COVID death rate.

[Mjoelner34]

My son's friends in Germany told him this a couple of weeks ago, I saw it in print today. The reason Germany has such a low COVID death rate is this: if you have an underlying health condition, that condition is your officially listed cause of death, not COVID. Given the established link between underlying conditions and COVID death rates, that would tend to lower your COVID death rate.

Speaking of reporting deaths like that, I read something today saying that France and Italy dont report COVID deaths that happen at home or nursing homes. I find that hard to believe seeing how both countries are being hammered with the numbers they are reporting.

[hacker]

115 people test positive in a nursing home in Gallatin, TN (population 40k)
59 hospitalized

https://www.wmcactionnews5.com/2020/03/30/nursing-home-residents-staff-test-positive-covid-sumner-county/

[defiantdog]

115 people test positive in a nursing home in Gallatin, TN (population 40k)
59 hospitalized

https://www.wmcactionnews5.com/2020/03/30/nursing-home-residents-staff-test-positive-covid-sumner-county/
Not good

[Dawgology]

115 people test positive in a nursing home in Gallatin, TN (population 40k)
59 hospitalized

https://www.wmcactionnews5.com/2020/03/30/nursing-home-residents-staff-test-positive-covid-sumner-county/

This is the problems with our country's response to this pandemic in a nutshell. TWO days ago the Tenn. gov signed an order restricting access to nursing homes. Two...days...ago. Smh.

[Todd4State]

This is the problems with our country's response to this pandemic in a nutshell. TWO days ago the Tenn. gov signed an order restricting access to nursing homes. Two...days...ago. Smh.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were infected by a nursing home worker before the order.

[msstate7]

Spain has passed Italy in cases per million pop, and they're closing the gap in deaths per million pop.

Anyone have testing stats for these 2 countries?

[StateDawg44]

-Conversation in this thread on March 20th. Removed name as to not flame because at this point I think the point has been made to those not wanting to believe and shaming them further is just going to hurt the cause.

But it appears it was indeed a fact. The only thing possibly wrong is that it was too conservative of an estimate.

No need to hide the name. I'll claim that and admit it is a fact now. At the time it was speculation like I was pointing out. I wouldn't expect that from you though.

What you've quoted is out of context. The reason for me asking "Is that a fact?" is because it was early on in this and no one knew and there was so much misinformation. This panned out to be true. And at the same time in my posts following that you conveniently leave out, I very clearly acknowledged it very well could take place and never denied it was a POSSIBILITY. There is a reason I chose the word fact. Nowhere did I say there is no way it happens like you try and paint this picture.

Again, you take quotes and think what I said was me not believing, and that this is not possible when I repeatedly said that there are too many unknowns at that point in time.

Quit with your moral high ground, "trying not to flame" lulz. That's exactly the entire reason for your post. You've been patiently waiting and anticipating the 100,000 mark so you could make this post. You're sick.

[shoeless joe]

Haven’t seen this mentioned but I’m wondering, what percent of the people with underlying conditions that contract the virus recover? Or what is the death rate for those with underlying issues?

Seems a majority that are dying have these issues but are the majority with these issues dying?

[Johnson85]

Haven’t seen this mentioned but I’m wondering, what percent of the people with underlying conditions that contract the virus recover? Or what is the death rate for those with underlying issues?

Seems a majority that are dying have these issues but are the majority with these issues dying?

I'd be really interested to know the stats with respect to things like obesity and hypertension. If you use the BMI definition, we'd classify a lot of obese people as just fat. Be curious to know how people with that underlying condition fare as it will be very relevant to the United States in general and the south in particular. Same thing with hypertension. Lots of people have it and don't have any real effects from it, but it shows up as a pretty significant risk factor. But is that just because it tends to come with be obese or another risk factor? Or is it really that dangerous on its own?

[dantheman4248]

No need to hide the name. I'll claim that and admit it is a fact now. At the time it was speculation like I was pointing out. I wouldn't expect that from you though.

What you've quoted is out of context. The reason for me asking "Is that a fact?" is because it was early on in this and no one knew and there was so much misinformation. This panned out to be true. And at the same time in my posts following that you conveniently leave out, I very clearly acknowledged it very well could take place and never denied it was a POSSIBILITY. There is a reason I chose the word fact. Nowhere did I say there is no way it happens like you try and paint this picture.

Again, you take quotes and think what I said was me not believing, and that this is not possible when I repeatedly said that there are too many unknowns at that point in time.

Quit with your moral high ground, "trying not to flame" lulz. That's exactly the entire reason for your post. You've been patiently waiting and anticipating the 100,000 mark so you could make this post. You're sick.

The only context needed is that numbers and statistics were clearly shown to you and a smarmy "oh mr. math guy are you so sure" comment was made. Point was for anyone still hating on the statisticians of the board telling you what's coming that you're likely to end up wrong.

I removed your name because you're already embarrassed enough. That's evident in your post. Point was more for people trust the data as the trends become clearer and we can see where we are headed. Our curve may be flattening. Today is a tell-tale sign of whether or not it's going to exponentially grow again to 1 million quickly.

Just because YOU don't understand the data or know how to interpret the countries actions correctly does not mean that there wasn't enough data to go off of. As I told you that day, the ONLY unknown was whether or not we could test that many. Today we're reaching a new unknown territory. I think we're going to see some levels of as we don't have the capability of testing enough people today that it will make our curve start to flatten. Once we have the quick testing enabled then we'll have a clearer picture of how high we're about to get.

It's not a moral high ground. Has nothing to do with morals at all. It's an explanation that just because you do not understand something does not make it not true.

[Randolph Dupree]

I think America is about to significantly cut back on their reliance for their cheap half assed shit. Probably the rest of the world too.

No doubt. This actually started a few years ago but it has been moving at a snail's pace, and I can see why, but it's about to ramp WAY up. If Mexico can get its shit together they will be the big winner in all of this.

[deadheaddawg]

The writing has been on the wall for weeks now. 3 weeks ago people were telling me I was panicking for saying we could potentially have 100k+ deaths. People blamed it on media hysteria. People posted silly "triggered" memes and said I was scared.

I wasn't scared. I was paying attention

People like statedawg44 can't go around acting like there was "too much misinformation" or too many unknowns.

There really wasn't. This was predicted. If you were calling it an overreaction 2 weeks ago. That is your fault for not paying attention. That is your fault for not getting your news from a trustworthy site.

But please have the balls to own it. Dont make excuses now. And there are bunch of you

This was a matter of life and death. Still id. A bunch of people on here mocked those of us that were actually tuned in. It was disgusting and shameful

[StateDawg44]

The only context needed is that numbers and statistics were clearly shown to you and a smarmy "oh mr. math guy are you so sure" comment was made. Point was for anyone still hating on the statisticians of the board telling you what's coming that you're likely to end up wrong.

I removed your name because you're already embarrassed enough. That's evident in your post. Point was more for people trust the data as the trends become clearer and we can see where we are headed. Our curve may be flattening. Today is a tell-tale sign of whether or not it's going to exponentially grow again to 1 million quickly.

Just because YOU don't understand the data or know how to interpret the countries actions correctly does not mean that there wasn't enough data to go off of. As I told you that day, the ONLY unknown was whether or not we could test that many. Today we're reaching a new unknown territory. I think we're going to see some levels of as we don't have the capability of testing enough people today that it will make our curve start to flatten. Once we have the quick testing enabled then we'll have a clearer picture of how high we're about to get.

It's not a moral high ground. Has nothing to do with morals at all. It's an explanation that just because you do not understand something does not make it not true.



I must've forgotten you are so superior when it comes to numbers. Please forgive me and I plead for more enlightenment from you oh mighty one. Thank you so much for taking it easy on me and showing me your mercy by not showing my name.**

Get over yourself. The numbers aren't hard to "understand" but 2 weeks ago ALL of those numbers were speculative. Some of those numbers posted two weeks ago did not come to fruition. Do you deny that? I still stand by what I said AT THAT TIME. Was I wrong? Yes. Am I dumb because of that or ashamed to admit it? Absolutely not. You really are in a sad place with all of this.

I'm sure you've been wrong in this thread also, but I don't feel the need or even remotely care in the least to waste my time searching and digging just to try to throw it up in your face or anyone else for that matter like you seem to enjoy doing. Only to act self-righteous and claim that is IN FACT, not what I was intending to do.

You think you have completed something or proven something but really, the joke is on you. The way I am behaving in life as things develop has not changed since it became a pandemic. You don't, IN FACT, know one single thing about my actions and how serious I am taking any of this. You definitely make assumptions and are plenty wrong on many aspects of everything I am personally doing and that is on you. Do you hear me claiming you are dumb and throwing insults? **** no because it does no good like you seem to think you are doing all of us. Again like I said, you are in a very sad place in all of this.

At this point, if I knew you personally (thankfully I don't) I wouldn't be concerned with what would happen if you contracted the virus (hopefully you don't). I'd be more concerned about the toll this thread is taking on you and how caught up in it you are. Acting like you are reaching the masses and quick to belittle and talk down to anyone with simple doubts. Right or wrong, it's natural for humans to doubt or believe. I do know I haven't once posted any false information in here so carry on. I know I've done nothing wrong.


Also, the bolded part is combining posts I made a week or so apart from each other. With so many new developments in that span of time you really are trying your best to make someone look dumb while claiming not to.

[hacker]

80% of ICU patients are overweight in Netherlands

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fnos.nl%2Fartikel%2F2328804-veel-patienten-op-ic-met-overgewicht-maar-ga-nu-niet-te-streng-dieten.html

[StateDawg44]

The writing has been on the wall for weeks now. 3 weeks ago people were telling me I was panicking for saying we could potentially have 100k+ deaths. People blamed it on media hysteria. People posted silly "triggered" memes and said I was scared.

I wasn't scared. I was paying attention

People like statedawg44 can't go around acting like there was "too much misinformation" or too many unknowns.

There really wasn't. This was predicted. If you were calling it an overreaction 2 weeks ago. That is your fault for not paying attention. That is your fault for not getting your news from a trustworthy site.

But please have the balls to own it. Dont make excuses now. And there are bunch of you

This was a matter of life and death. Still id. A bunch of people on here mocked those of us that were actually tuned in. It was disgusting and shameful

So you mean own it like I did in the post above on this page? ETA: I'm sure you couldn't wait to read my entire post before you began your drivel.

Again, you won't find where I said any of this is an overreaction. I haven't once accused you of panicking. Yet you and Dan want to lump anyone who simply questioned something either of you said into one group and condemn them instead of trying to just explain in a calm collective manner. Y'all are pathetic.

I have paid full attention and practice all recommendations provided by the WHO and CDC and feel no remorse or guilt for any of my comments or actions in real life.

I'm happy for you two finally getting your ah-ha moments. Congrats. Is this what you are looking for to pet your egos?

[msstate7]

So you mean own it like I did in the post above on this page?

Again, you won't find where I said any of this is an overreaction. I haven't once accused you of panicking. Yet you and Dan want to lump anyone who simply questioned something either of you said into one group and condemn them instead of trying to just explain in a calm collective manner. Y'all are pathetic.

I have paid full attention and practice all recommendations provided by the WHO and CDC and feel no remorse or guilt for any of my comments or actions in real life.

I'm happy for you two finally getting your ah-ha moments. Congrats. Is this what you are looking for to pet your egos?

That dude would love nothing more than the USA to be wiped out.

[StateDawg44]

That dude would love nothing more than the USA to be wiped out.

That would be sad because then he wouldn't have anyone to tell I told you so.***

[SheltonChoked]

You're worried about people having heart attacks in a country that consumes how much fast food?

Worrying about the small percentage that may get an arrhythmia (not a heart attack) at the expense of thousands dying is illogical.

You are missing the point. A person with a severe QTc interval prolonging induced by medication, WILL require an ICU bed. Guess what COVID 1( makes us short in supply of? ICU beds.

As bad as it is, only 5-8% of Covid19 patients need ICU beds, so handing out pills that induce a longer QTc interval, is not good practice, UNTIL THEY NEED TO.

[hacker]

MS update

847 total cases, 89 new cases
16 total deaths, 2 new deaths

- Second death age 40-49
- 1 new hospitalized case < 18 years old

[SheltonChoked]

Link for that data?

Chloroquinine Prolongs QT interval https://www.who.int/malaria/mpac/mpac-mar2017-erg-cardiotoxicity-report-session2.pdf which, in certain individuals creates a Ventricular Arrhythmia.

Azithromycin Prolongs QT interval https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4040726/ Azithromycin, cardiovascular risks, QTc interval prolongation, torsade de pointes, which, in certain individuals creates a Ventricular Arrhythmia.

Again, not saying this is not effective treatment, but widespread use will create more ICU needed care. The very thing we are currently limited.

[dantheman4248]

I must've forgotten you are so superior when it comes to numbers. Please forgive me and I plead for more enlightenment from you oh mighty one. Thank you so much for taking it easy on me and showing me your mercy by not showing my name.**

Get over yourself. The numbers aren't hard to "understand" but 2 weeks ago ALL of those numbers were speculative. Some of those numbers posted two weeks ago did not come to fruition. Do you deny that? I still stand by what I said AT THAT TIME. Was I wrong? Yes. Am I dumb because of that or ashamed to admit it? Absolutely not. You really are in a sad place with all of this.

I'm sure you've been wrong in this thread also, but I don't feel the need or even remotely care in the least to waste my time searching and digging just to try to throw it up in your face or anyone else for that matter like you seem to enjoy doing. Only to act self-righteous and claim that is IN FACT, not what I was intending to do.

You think you have completed something or proven something but really, the joke is on you. The way I am behaving in life as things develop has not changed since it became a pandemic. You don't, IN FACT, know one single thing about my actions and how serious I am taking any of this. You definitely make assumptions and are plenty wrong on many aspects of everything I am personally doing and that is on you. Do you hear me claiming you are dumb and throwing insults? **** no because it does no good like you seem to think you are doing all of us. Again like I said, you are in a very sad place in all of this.

At this point, if I knew you personally (thankfully I don't) I wouldn't be concerned with what would happen if you contracted the virus (hopefully you don't). I'd be more concerned about the toll this thread is taking on you and how caught up in it you are. Acting like you are reaching the masses and quick to belittle and talk down to anyone with simple doubts. Right or wrong, it's natural for humans to doubt or believe. I do know I haven't once posted any false information in here so carry on. I know I've done nothing wrong.


Also, the bolded part is combining posts I made a week or so apart from each other. With so many new developments in that span of time you really are trying your best to make someone look dumb while claiming not to.

You asked "Is that a fact?" and then tried to back it up saying you are doing your due diligence by questioning numbers.

You added 0 to the conversation and just set out to undermine someone who was giving good info. You participated in bad faith. You made an ass of yourself and have tried to recover ever since by flinging mud at others. Just stop. It's embarrassing. You're an embarrassment. I removed your name because I didn't want you to respond.

You can't empathize with other people so it breaks your brain that someone would post things like that to prevent stupidity from running rampant. Still have it in your head that this is about itoldyouso's. No, this is about people rejecting Facts, Science, and Data because it doesn't fit their narrative. I didn't want this virus to explode. I wanted it to stop. But that's considered panicking.

The only things I want are people to get their heads out of the sand on this now, and to be better prepared when this happens again. (Spelling out speculation to you since you need it.) Judging from China's numbers and long-time dishonest tactics, it would not surprise me to see that they are flatly lying about containment or engineered the virus themselves and have a vaccine already to suppress it that they aren't telling anyone about. This feels like a prelude to a biological warfare. (Again speculation.)

[deadheaddawg]

No, this is about people rejecting Facts, Science, and Data because it doesn't fit their narrative. I didn't want this virus to explode. I wanted it to stop. But that's considered panicking.

The only things I want are people to get their heads out of the sand on this now, and to be better prepared when this happens again.

Nailed it

[Johnson85]

Here is a back of the envelope estimate of how badly we are undercounting cases.

https://www.baldingsworld.com/2020/03/29/how-fast-is-corona-spreading-and-how-many-undetected-cases-are-there/

Have just breezed through it and not dug into it yet, so not sure how reasonable it is.

[Extendedcab]

As of this morning:

World Cases __________________ US Cases
741,030________________________143,532

Total Deaths ____________ ______ US Deaths
35,114_________________________2,572

If my analysis is correct, this means the US has 19.37% of the total cases in the world and 7.32% of the total deaths.

Further analysis means that the World death rate is 5.45% (minus the US) and the US death rate is 1.79% (Percentage of deaths of cases tested positive)

None of this is good, but the US death rate is not what the death rate of the remainder of the world is (to date anyway). I know Italy has skewed those numbers but on the whole this is how it breaks down.

[99jc]

Guys stop this bickering for those of us going to the front line I can say this it doesnt matter who was right or who was wrong. It doesn't matter if you believed this was a joke from the start or not. We are now in a fight for the lives of millions around the world. I was told told today that we should expect 8 weeks minimum of this extension. How all of us react to what we're told to do and each other determines what type of person we are deep inside. Peace to all stay safe!

[hacker]

Here is a back of the envelope estimate of how badly we are undercounting cases.

https://www.baldingsworld.com/2020/03/29/how-fast-is-corona-spreading-and-how-many-undetected-cases-are-there/

Have just breezed through it and not dug into it yet, so not sure how reasonable it is.

That's a long ass envelope

[msstate7]

As of this morning:

https://www.foxnews.com/category/health/infectious-disease/coronavirus#&_intcmp=corona_trkr

If my analysis is correct, this means the US has 19.37% of the total cases in the world and 7.32% of the total deaths.

Further analysis means that the World death rate is 5.45% (minus the US) and the US death rate is 1.79% (Percentage of deaths of cases tested positive)

None of this is good, but the US death rate is not what the death rate of the remainder of the world is (to date anyway). I know Italy has skewed those numbers but on the whole this is how it breaks down.

Probably worth noting that the US has tested over 800k, which I'm fairly certain is tops in the world.

[StateDawg44]

You asked "Is that a fact?" and then tried to back it up saying you are doing your due diligence by questioning numbers.

You added 0 to the conversation and just set out to undermine someone who was giving good info. You participated in bad faith. You made an ass of yourself and have tried to recover ever since by flinging mud at others. Just stop. It's embarrassing. You're an embarrassment. I removed your name because I didn't want you to respond.

You can't empathize with other people so it breaks your brain that someone would post things like that to prevent stupidity from running rampant. Still have it in your head that this is about itoldyouso's. No, this is about people rejecting Facts, Science, and Data because it doesn't fit their narrative. I didn't want this virus to explode. I wanted it to stop. But that's considered panicking.

The only things I want are people to get their heads out of the sand on this now, and to be better prepared when this happens again. (Spelling out speculation to you since you need it.) Judging from China's numbers and long-time dishonest tactics, it would not surprise me to see that they are flatly lying about containment or engineered the virus themselves and have a vaccine already to suppress it that they aren't telling anyone about. This feels like a prelude to a biological warfare. (Again speculation.)



You know everything about me. This is so crazy yet amazing at the same time.**

I'm glad the board has you then I guess? Maybe you will make an impact. Not nearly as big as you seem to think you will though. Again, nothing has changed on where I stand in my daily life and definitely wouldn't because of anything you have said or I've been blessed enough to read that you've typed.

I don't know what else you are looking for from me. You just keep responding "flinging mud". Funny saying that to the person who has probably flung more mud than anyone else in the thread, right and wrong on certain points. Like I said, this thread is probably worse for your health than the virus would be. (Please for the love of God, don't take that comment as me saying there is nothing to see here or that you are panicking)

No one on here will claim you have been great during any of this either.

I hope you have a good day and can enjoy it. :D

[BeardoMSU]

Probably worth noting that the US has tested over 800k, which I'm fairly certain is tops in the world.

Overall tests, but not per capita, right?

[dantheman4248]

As of this morning:

World Cases US Cases
741,030 143,532

Total Deaths US Deaths
35,114 2,572

If my analysis is correct, this means the US has 19.37% of the total cases in the world and 7.32% of the total deaths.

Further analysis means that the World death rate is 5.45% (minus the US) and the US death rate is 1.79% (Percentage of deaths of cases tested positive)

None of this is good, but the US death rate is not what the death rate of the remainder of the world is (to date anyway). I know Italy has skewed those numbers but on the whole this is how it breaks down.

The problem with this is that some (not all) of those active cases will still end up in death eventually. Looking strictly at closed cases, the world is up to 18%. The US is at 36%. This is also not supremely trustworthy as there are several cases likely still considered active that are not going to result in death.

The truth is somewhere in between. We have so many cases that have come on recently that it skews our numbers in favor of a lower death rate than the world which at the same time means we skew higher in closed case death rate as we have not had necessary time to close cases. The real test is the next two weeks to see how our death rate compares to Italy and whether or not we reach critical mass and overwhelm our hospitals as Italy did.

[dantheman4248]

You know everything about me. This is so crazy yet amazing at the same time.**

I'm glad the board has you then I guess? Maybe you will make an impact. Not nearly as big as you seem to think you will though. Again, nothing has changed on where I stand in my daily life and definitely wouldn't because of anything you have said or I've been blessed enough to read that you've typed.

I don't know what else you are looking for from me. You just keep responding "flinging mud". Funny saying that to the person who has probably flung more mud than anyone else in the thread, right and wrong on certain points. Like I said, this thread is probably worse for your health than the virus would be. (Please for the love of God, don't take that comment as me saying there is nothing to see here or that you are panicking)

No one on here will claim you have been great during any of this either.

I hope you have a good day and can enjoy it. :D

I only know about what you make your persona on here. What I outlined is how you have conducted yourself. Don't like it and don't think that's you? Then be that person that you think you are.

[dawgday166]

You asked "Is that a fact?" and then tried to back it up saying you are doing your due diligence by questioning numbers.

You added 0 to the conversation and just set out to undermine someone who was giving good info. You participated in bad faith. You made an ass of yourself and have tried to recover ever since by flinging mud at others. Just stop. It's embarrassing. You're an embarrassment. I removed your name because I didn't want you to respond.

You can't empathize with other people so it breaks your brain that someone would post things like that to prevent stupidity from running rampant. Still have it in your head that this is about itoldyouso's. No, this is about people rejecting Facts, Science, and Data because it doesn't fit their narrative. I didn't want this virus to explode. I wanted it to stop. But that's considered panicking.

The only things I want are people to get their heads out of the sand on this now, and to be better prepared when this happens again. (Spelling out speculation to you since you need it.) Judging from China's numbers and long-time dishonest tactics, it would not surprise me to see that they are flatly lying about containment or engineered the virus themselves and have a vaccine already to suppress it that they aren't telling anyone about. This feels like a prelude to a biological warfare. (Again speculation.)


Nailed it

Not discounting y'all being right ... cudos to both of you. You can be very proud that y'all so smart.

Question: What did Fauci say yesterday? He said they have more data, more reliable data now, AND "therefore we can make better assumptions. The MODELS ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE ASSUMPTIONS".

So when making trades on whether to shutdown the US for this back in January ... tough decisions with a LOT of variables. And both democrats and republicans were poo-pooing this ... including Cuomo.

[Extendedcab]

The problem with this is that some (not all) of those active cases will still end up in death eventually. Looking strictly at closed cases, the world is up to 18%. The US is at 36%. This is also not supremely trustworthy as there are several cases likely still considered active that are not going to result in death.

The truth is somewhere in between. We have so many cases that have come on recently that it skews our numbers in favor of a lower death rate than the world which at the same time means we skew higher in closed case death rate as we have not had necessary time to close cases. The real test is the next two weeks to see how our death rate compares to Italy and whether or not we reach critical mass and overwhelm our hospitals as Italy did.

Dan the man,

This is a point in time snapshot, as of this morning. They are accurate according to the source! These numbers will change!!

All of the numbers posted in this thread are snapshot numbers, including yours.

[defiantdog]

I wonder how many people are going to think they have Covid-19 because of how bad the allergies are this year.

[DownwardDawg]

Chloroquinine Prolongs QT interval https://www.who.int/malaria/mpac/mpac-mar2017-erg-cardiotoxicity-report-session2.pdf which, in certain individuals creates a Ventricular Arrhythmia.

Azithromycin Prolongs QT interval https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4040726/ Azithromycin, cardiovascular risks, QTc interval prolongation, torsade de pointes, which, in certain individuals creates a Ventricular Arrhythmia.

Again, not saying this is not effective treatment, but widespread use will create more ICU needed care. The very thing we are currently limited.

Hattiesburg hospitals are treating with it and seeing a significant improvement in symptoms. This plus the antibiotic azithromycin. It’s helping the symptoms in most cases, which is what we need right now. This from one of the lead doctors.

[msstate7]

Overall tests, but not per capita, right?

Probably not, but cases by country are just case numbers, not per capita

[hacker]

Italy's cases are falling

- Thursday: 6,153 new
- Friday: 5,959 new
- Saturday: 5,974 new
- Sunday: 5,217 new
- Monday: 4,050 new

[msstate7]

Italy's cases are falling

- Thursday: 6,153 new
- Friday: 5,959 new
- Saturday: 5,974 new
- Sunday: 5,217 new
- Monday: 4,050 new

I know I seem like a broken record, but is testing remaining the same? If so, this is really good news

[hacker]

I know I seem like a broken record, but is testing remaining the same? If so, this is really good news

Yes, past two days:

23k
25k

It was between 17k and 27k last week

[msstate7]

Yes, past two days:

23k
25k

It was between 17k and 27k last week

Great, and thanks

[SheltonChoked]

Hattiesburg hospitals are treating with it and seeing a significant improvement in symptoms. This plus the antibiotic azithromycin. It?s helping the symptoms in most cases, which is what we need right now. This from one of the lead doctors.

And, as I have said, That is how it should be used. For those in a hospital.

Others suggest it should be given to everyone. That would not be responsible.

[Dawg2003]

Louisiana is now past 4000 cases. One of my RN coworkers is going down there and making 30,000 to work 3 weeks. His hours got cut because he is in an area that does elective procedures, so he's taking vacation and going to New Orleans to work.

[hacker]

Same pastor holds another 1000+ attendee church service in Louisiana yesterday
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/us/louisiana-pastor-spell-coronavirus/index.html

[dantheman4248]

Dan the man,

This is a point in time snapshot, as of this morning. They are accurate according to the source! These numbers will change!!

All of the numbers posted in this thread are snapshot numbers, including yours.

Did you read actually my post? It wasn't critical of you. It provided context of as you said "snapshot numbers". It is encouraging that we are currently a lower death rate, yes; however, it is best if we acknowledge why. I added the why and a those other numbers and their why as well.

[dantheman4248]

I wonder how many people are going to think they have Covid-19 because of how bad the allergies are this year.

Whoever thinks that they have it and it's allergies (which generally means sneezing a ton) has obviously not researched what the symptoms of Covid-19 are (sneezing is not a listed symptom. Runny nose is, but not sneezing.)

[Matt3467]

Louisiana is now past 4000 cases. One of my RN coworkers is going down there and making 30,000 to work 3 weeks. His hours got cut because he is in an area that does elective procedures, so he's taking vacation and going to New Orleans to work.

$30,000 for three weeks? I've had several offers but they've all been in the $3,500 a week range.

[Dawg2003]

That's what he told me. I guess he's telling the truth, but I didn't ask him the company.

[hacker]

34 more deaths in Louisiana today
Up to 4.5% death rate, which I think is the worst in the country

[Matt3467]

That's what he told me. I guess he's telling the truth, but I didn't ask him the company.

I bet it was 3 months. Most contracts are 12 weeks in length and that'd be in the $30,000 ballpark range. Most of that is tax free and they will pay for their lodging so a huge chunk of that is all take home. Dangerous time, but a lot of money.

[Dawg2003]

I bet it was 3 months. Most contracts are 12 weeks in length and that'd be in the $30,000 ballpark range. Most of that is tax free and they will pay for their lodging so a huge chunk of that is all take home. Dangerous time, but a lot of money.

That sounds more likely.

[Extendedcab]

Did you read actually my post? It wasn't critical of you. It provided context of as you said "snapshot numbers". It is encouraging that we are currently a lower death rate, yes; however, it is best if we acknowledge why. I added the why and a those other numbers and their why as well.

I did not think you were critical of me, just the numbers. Today, the US death rate his far better than the rest of the world but will it continue? A more relevant response would be to compare this morning numbers, that I provided, with yesterday's numbers (snapshot) or last week's numbers (snapshot), if you have them, and extrapolate what it may mean in a week or two.

[hacker]

I did not think you were critical of me, just the numbers. Today, the US death rate his far better than the rest of the world but will it continue? A more relevant response would be to compare this morning numbers, that I provided, with yesterday's numbers (snapshot) or last week's numbers (snapshot), if you have them, and extrapolate what it may mean in a week or two.

A couple things:
- Our death rate was 1.2% a week ago, now 1.8%
- Not far better than the rest of the world, but pretty good. Germany, South Korea, Canada, Austria, etc are lower than us.

[Irondawg]

I still think our numerator is pretty depressed. A ton of people with mild symptoms probably just self-isolate and don't bother going to get tested

[Cooterpoot]

A couple things:
- Our death rate was 1.2% a week ago, now 1.8%
- Not far better than the rest of the world, but pretty good. Germany, South Korea, Canada, Austria, etc are lower than us.

And none of the numbers are real. There are so many different criteria for testing and so many not being tested the numbers are all BS.

[Jack Lambert]

And none of the numbers are real. There are so many different criteria for testing and so many not being tested the numbers are all BS.

I don't believe any numbers I see and I DAMN sure don't believe what China put out.

[SheltonChoked]

And none of the numbers are real. There are so many different criteria for testing and so many not being tested the numbers are all BS.

Even the death numbers?

Or the not enough ICU bed numbers?

[Commercecomet24]

I don't believe any numbers I see and I DAMN sure don't believe what China put out.

You're not insinuating that our chinese friends would be less than truthful are you Jack? lol

I don't believe anything the chinese or the russians say either.

[hacker]

Even the death numbers?

Or the not enough ICU bed numbers?

Nope, of course not. For weeks he's been trolling and vaguely saying we're foolish for being concerned and has never said why. I'm guessing he's some kind of genius.

[Hot Rock]

someone said earlier that even the Germans were saying cause of death was something other than Covid-19 and would say the underlying health problem was the cause of death, not Covid-19.

I wonder if that's true.. I don't believe much of anything. Even here in the States the testing rates are vastly different so many being told to just stay home unless you are in critical condition.

[Jack Lambert]

someone said earlier that even the Germans were saying cause of death was something other than Covid-19 and would say the underlying health problem was the cause of death, not Covid-19.

I wonder if that's true.. I don't believe much of anything. Even here in the States the testing rates are vastly different so many being told to just stay home unless you are in critical condition.

I heard today on one of the news network that as late as Jan 17th the Chinese were telling the WHO that there was no evidence of human to human transfers. I hope that one is not true.

[DownwardDawg]

I bet it was 3 months. Most contracts are 12 weeks in length and that'd be in the $30,000 ballpark range. Most of that is tax free and they will pay for their lodging so a huge chunk of that is all take home. Dangerous time, but a lot of money.

My wife was offered $4,000/ week.

[DownwardDawg]

34 more deaths in Louisiana today
Up to 4.5% death rate, which I think is the worst in the country

Cops were having to breakup crawfish boils yesterday!!!! Baton Rouge area.

[Maverick]

Cops were having to breakup crawfish boils yesterday!!!! Baton Rouge area.

Ron White would say, "You can't fix stupid." And that's not a jab at Louisiana but all over really. I still see stuff happening that I just shake my head at....

[Jack Lambert]

My wife was offered $4,000/ week.

Back when HIV first turned up Nurse were offer ridiculous money to go to NO to work.

[Extendedcab]

I heard today on one of the news network that as late as Jan 17th the Chinese were telling the WHO that there was no evidence of human to human transfers. I hope that one is not true.


It is unfortunately true.

The World Health Organization (WHO) is now haunted by a tweet it sent earlier this year when it cited Chinese health officials who claimed there had been no human transmissions of the novel coronavirus within the country yet.


The Jan. 14 tweet came less than two months before WHO declared COVID-19 to be a global pandemic.

"Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China," the organization had said.

It also relied on information from Chinese health authorities who have been accused of obscuring facts and figures during the course of the outbreak.

There are multiple references: One of them is - https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/

[dawgday166]

Nope, of course not. For weeks he's been trolling and vaguely saying we're foolish for being concerned and has never said why. I'm guessing he's some kind of genius.

He's actually right about the numbers although there is more extensive and accurate data available now. But the models are still not perfect. With mountains of data any model isn't perfect.

Right now I would guess that their worst case scenarios if we did nothing at all could be even worse than the models indicate. But on flip side ... they also could be much better than models indicate. But same could be said for best case scenarios too.

But they do have a more accurate envelope those could fall within and either way ... the numbers aren't good.

[hacker]

He's actually right about the numbers although there is more extensive and accurate data available now. But the models are still not perfect. With mountains of data any model isn't perfect.

Right now I would guess that their worst case scenarios if we did nothing at all could be even worse than the models indicate. But on flip side ... they also could be much better than models indicate. But same could be said for best case scenarios too.

But they do have a more accurate envelope those could fall within and either way ... the numbers aren't good.

Wait, when did Cooterpoot post numbers?

[dawgday166]

Wait, when did Cooterpoot post numbers?

He said "none of the numbers are real". I assumed that meant the data isn't entirely accurate and ... it's not.

[hacker]

He said "none of the numbers are real". I assumed that meant the data isn't entirely accurate and ... it's not.

Ah, gotcha

[99jc]

So long boys.....headed out Wed to Nola. This really sucks!

[Jack Lambert]

Texas has clamped down on LA. If you are LA you cannot inter Texas unless you go into 14 day lock down.

[DownwardDawg]

So long boys.....headed out Wed to Nola. This really sucks!

Take care buddy. I?ll be passing through there Wednesday headed to Mississippi!! Gonna isolate at home for the next month!!

[Commercecomet24]

Texas has clamped down on LA. If you are LA you cannot inter Texas unless you go into 14 day lock down.

Florida done the same thing. Can't enter Florida if you're from LA

[Commercecomet24]

So long boys.....headed out Wed to Nola. This really sucks!

Be safe! Be praying for you!

[Cooterpoot]

Even the death numbers?

Or the not enough ICU bed numbers?

Do you believe the Chinese death numbers? Most do not.
Bed shortages depend on where. We don't currently have a shortage in MS.
You tell me how numbers are remotely correct on mortality rate etc. when hospitals don't use the same criteria for testing, states do not, countries do not. The data is simply thrown together. It's not comparing the same data.

[trojandawg]

I had someone send me a site tonight I hadn't seen before. I apologize if it's been linked here buried. Looks like a big shortage late April based on these projections.

http://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

[Jack Lambert]

Do you believe the Chinese death numbers? Most do not.
Bed shortages depend on where. We don't currently have a shortage in MS.
You tell me how numbers are remotely correct on mortality rate etc. when hospitals don't use the same criteria for testing, states do not, countries do not. The data is simply thrown together. It's not comparing the same data.

I only listen to the press conference the task force has everyday. When they start to use numbers then I will listen. They seldom give numbers I think because of what you just said. What is crazy you can go listen to the spin on the cable news network after the press conference and honestly say bull shit on what they are saying.

[hacker]

MS update

New cases reported today: 90
New deaths reported today: 4

- A 30-39 year old died
- Lauderdale has gone from 0 to 35 cases in less than a week
- Hinds with the most total cases again (90)

[defiantdog]

MS update

New cases reported today: 90
New deaths reported today: 4

- A 30-39 year old died
- Lauderdale has gone from 0 to 35 cases in less than a week
- Hinds with the most total cases again (90)
You know how many people probably have COVID and don't know it? 95% of all current cases are considered mild cases.

[defiantdog]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[hacker]

You know how many people probably have COVID and don't know it? 95% of all current cases are considered mild cases.

A lot I'm sure

[Johnson85]

You know how many people probably have COVID and don't know it? 95% of all current cases are considered mild cases.

95% of cases being mild does not mean 95% of people are unsure if it's cold of COVID.

South Korea did widespread testing and did nto show huge numbers of asymptomatic people are people who recovered from something they thought was just another cold.

[Commercecomet24]

I know one thing I've found out during all this. There are a ton of experts in the field of epidemology and infectious disease all over the internet. They are literally all over the internet on facebook, instagram, twitter and any other social media forum you can find. Who knew the world had so many experts?*****

[defiantdog]

95% of cases being mild does not mean 95% of people are unsure if it's cold of COVID.

South Korea did widespread testing and did nto show huge numbers of asymptomatic people are people who recovered from something they thought was just another cold.
No, but it means 95% of cases are manageable. Stay at home when you can, wash your hands, and practice good hygiene. People are going to get really sick..... people get really sick all the time..... COVID is just acting like the fire starter. The doom and gloom is there to make people listen..... to make sure they distance themselves. I'm trying to be the optimist here because we can sure as hell use it.

[Commercecomet24]

No, but it means 95% of cases are manageable. Stay at home when you can, wash your hands, and practice good hygiene. People are going to get really sick..... people get really sick all the time..... COVID is just acting like the fire starter. The doom and gloom is there to make people listen..... to make sure they distance themselves. I'm trying to be the optimist here because we can sure as hell use it.

Amen.

[hacker]

95% of cases being mild does not mean 95% of people are unsure if it's cold of COVID.

South Korea did widespread testing and did nto show huge numbers of asymptomatic people are people who recovered from something they thought was just another cold.

Yeah, mild just means not hospitalized. Plus it's 5% at a minimum because a lot of places aren't reporting hospitalization data.

[Dawgology]

95% of cases being mild does not mean 95% of people are unsure if it's cold of COVID.

South Korea did widespread testing and did nto show huge numbers of asymptomatic people are people who recovered from something they thought was just another cold.

This is actually incorrect. I would REEEEAAALLLLYYY advise everyone to go read this article. I know it's a lot of reading but if you want to see the issues with the numbers coming out versus reported R0 and spread rates you will want to read this. It is importial and both good and bad news. I HIGHLY recommend it.

https://www.baldingsworld.com/2020/03/29/how-fast-is-corona-spreading-and-how-many-undetected-cases-are-there/

[BeardoMSU]

I know one thing I've found out during all this. There are a ton of experts in the field of epidemology and infectious disease all over the internet. They are literally all over the internet on facebook, instagram, twitter and any other social media forum you can find. Who knew the world had so many experts?*****

Cyberspace has made everyone an expert, lol.

[Dawgology]

Yeah, mild just means not hospitalized. Plus it's 5% at a minimum because a lot of places aren't reporting hospitalization data.

You should really dig through the article I just posted. It's good info. I know it is poorly laid out. The guy is brilliant when it comes to stats and exponential growth...but he needs an editor.

[Commercecomet24]

Cyberspace has made everyone an expert, lol.

Yep in everything, from football to epidemology. I'm not an infectious disease expert but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night***

[hacker]

Tate Reeves issues shelter-in-place for Lauderdale county and only Lauderdale county. Not sure what exactly that means since most every business is considered essential.

[SheltonChoked]

Do you believe the Chinese death numbers? Most do not.
Bed shortages depend on where. We don't currently have a shortage in MS.
You tell me how numbers are remotely correct on mortality rate etc. when hospitals don't use the same criteria for testing, states do not, countries do not. The data is simply thrown together. It's not comparing the same data.

Well I guess Mississippi gets a ****ing cookie then. Congrats on having enough beds right now. Italy had enough beds before they locked down, too I wonder if Tate will wait until Mississippi's hospitals are over run before he takes the steps everyone else has used to stem the tide of cases....

How long does it take for a test result to come back in Mississippi?

I'm not using Mortality rate. I'm counting BODIES. And Reefer Trucks outside of Hospitals in the USA to hold those bodies.

But keep on Mississippi.... I'm sure it will not have exponential growth there as well.

[SheltonChoked]

You know how many people probably have COVID and don't know it? 95% of all current cases are considered mild cases.

CITE for the 95% number? I have seen that 80% of the cases are "mild" Mild means they don't need a hospital BTW....


In 80% of known cases, COVID-19 causes mild to moderate illness, according to a report of a joint World Health Organization-China mission of 25 infectious disease experts held in China late last month.




Spreading shit like this will kill people....

[SheltonChoked]

No, but it means 95% of cases are manageable. Stay at home when you can, wash your hands, and practice good hygiene. People are going to get really sick..... people get really sick all the time..... COVID is just acting like the fire starter. The doom and gloom is there to make people listen..... to make sure they distance themselves. I'm trying to be the optimist here because we can sure as hell use it.

An optimist is one thing, spreading mis information is another.

[Commercecomet24]

I don't know about the rest of Mississippi but Jones County is a ghost town. I work in an essential business so I'm at work everyday but there's hardly any traffic, parking lots are empty and even walmart parking lot is much more barren than normal. People are supporting the local restaraunts here and doing take out and delivery(there's been no dining rooms open here for almost 2 weeks). The only people out are the ones in essential businesses and going to the grocery store. It's eery the lack of traffic and the empty parking lots.

[starkvegasdawg]

Tate Reeves issues shelter-in-place for Lauderdale county and only Lauderdale county. Not sure what exactly that means since most every business is considered essential.

This is the issue. Shelter in place, national quarantine...none of it matters because 8/10 businesses have declared themselves essential and I can guarantee you if we go through this again next winter those last two businesses will have figured out a way to declare themselves essential.

[hacker]

This is the issue. Shelter in place, national quarantine...none of it matters because 8/10 businesses have declared themselves essential and I can guarantee you if we go through this again next winter those last two businesses will have figured out a way to declare themselves essential.

Yep.

Meanwhile, 1212 new cases and 54 new deaths in Louisiana since yesterday. Damn.

[Dawg2003]

Yep.

Meanwhile, 1212 new cases and 54 new deaths in Louisiana since yesterday. Damn.

Jeez. That's awful. I wonder if there is any way we can find out how many patients are in the ICU and on ventilators in Louisiana and Mississippi. I haven't been able to find any stats on that. I've only seen stats on hospitalizations.

[hacker]

Jeez. That's awful. I wonder if there is any way we can find out how many patients are in the ICU and on ventilators in Louisiana and Mississippi. I haven't been able to find any stats on that. I've only seen stats on hospitalizations.

438 on ventilators

http://ldh.la.gov/Coronavirus/

[Dawg2003]

Thanks. Those are scary numbers.

[Joebob]

Yep in everything, from football to epidemology. I'm not an infectious disease expert but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night***

I’m glad not everyone has lost their sense of humor :)

[Commercecomet24]

I’m glad not everyone has lost their sense of humor :)

I'm trying to keep it during all this stuff. So much uncertainity for all of us right now. Nothing I can do to control this thing so I just keep moving forward and try to smile and stay positive, cause being negative ain't gonna help. Growing up I used to work with my grandfather in his chicken houses and he used to tell me the stories of surviving the great depression and how his parents used humor to make those tough times bearable. He was a great man with a lot of faith. He used to sing the song "One Day at a Time" while we worked on the farm every day. Those words really carry a punch with whats happening right now. Try to stay positive my friends!

[Joebob]

This is actually incorrect. I would REEEEAAALLLLYYY advise everyone to go read this article. I know it's a lot of reading but if you want to see the issues with the numbers coming out versus reported R0 and spread rates you will want to read this. It is importial and both good and bad news. I HIGHLY recommend it.

https://www.baldingsworld.com/2020/03/29/how-fast-is-corona-spreading-and-how-many-undetected-cases-are-there/

It’s an interesting article for sure, but regardless of what the true infection rates turn out to be, an awful lot of people are getting seriously sick and dying.

[Jack Lambert]

Don't know if you all care but I got word today that the Government is going to let you withdraw up to 100K out of Annuities and other retirement plans with no IRS penalty and you will be able to spread the taxes you will owe over three years. Don't know all the details but some of you might benefit from it.

[Joebob]

Don't know if you all care but I got word today that the Government is going to let you withdraw up to 100K out of Annuities and other retirement plans with no IRS penalty and you will be able to spread the taxes you will owe over three years. Don't know all the details but some of you might benefit from it.

If I remember right, I think they’re going to have to pay that money back at a later date, which will just put them in another bind at that time. Just no easy way out of this I guess.

[Jack Lambert]

If I remember right, I think they’re going to have to pay that money back at a later date, which will just put them in another bind at that time. Just no easy way out of this I guess.

They would only need to pay the tax's and they can spread that out over three years. It is not a loan it is a withdraw. Now would be a good time to convert your traditional IRA to a Roth. Pension plans do not allow withdrawal, only loans but there are so few pension plans. Profit sharing plans do allow both loans and withdrawal. This 401k"s Esop and several others. Now Annuities, IRA, Roth Simple and Sepp only allow withdrawal. Withdrawal do not have to be paid back only loans. My understanding is the waiver of penalties and the spreading of taxes over three years only applies to withdrawals.

[hacker]

1245199595258499072

I believe we are officially at Italy's level now

[Todd4State]

1245199595258499072

I believe we are officially at Italy's level now

Good. We're closer to the end.

[Maroonthirteen]

So.... now US Health officials are projecting 100,000 - 240,000 deaths????? That's a huge jump from the 4,000 we have currently.

Oh..... and the virus can be spread very easy. But mail and take out food is safe. *****

[hacker]

So.... now US Health officials are projecting 100,000 - 240,000 deaths????? That's a huge jump from the 4,000 we have currently.

Oh..... and the virus can be spread very easy. But mail and take out food is safe. *****

It's going to get worse before it gets better. A week ago, we had 900 total deaths. Then yesterday alone we had 900 deaths. That will continue to go up for at least a few weeks. We have 4000 total deaths right now, I don't think 4000 per day is out of the realm of possibility in the near future.

[msstate7]

Italy is at 206 deaths per million, which is tops in the world. For us to get to 100k deaths, we'd have to get to 305 deaths per million; this is 48% worse than Italy at the present. To get to 240k deaths, we'd have to get to 734 deaths per million; this is 256% worse than Italy at present.

[Maroonthirteen]

Italy is at 206 deaths per million, which is tops in the world. For us to get to 100k deaths, we'd have to get to 305 deaths per million; this is 48% worse than Italy at the present. To get to 240k deaths, we'd have to get to 734 deaths per million; this is 256% worse than Italy at present.

Exactly. So what is the point of the US health officials and the White House announcing those numbers last night? To make people take this more serious?

[turkish]

What’s the thought with Italy? Are they just peaking on daily deaths? If so, is it legitimate to expect their deaths per million to end up 2x what it is now?

[Jack Lambert]

So.... now US Health officials are projecting 100,000 - 240,000 deaths????? That's a huge jump from the 4,000 we have currently.

Oh..... and the virus can be spread very easy. But mail and take out food is safe. *****

They also said it was going to take three weeks for the military medical ship to arrive in New York. It was there like in 7 days. I think they are over stating things on purpose to cover their asses.

[hacker]

What’s the thought with Italy? Are they just peaking on daily deaths? If so, is it legitimate to expect their deaths per million to end up 2x what it is now?

Yeah, it looks like they're peaking. Probably be a couple more weeks before the death numbers start falling. I think they will probably be 2x by the time the numbers start falling. Then there will be thousands more deaths on the decline of the slope.

[starkvegasdawg]

136 new cases and 2 new deaths in MS.

That's a total of 1073 cases and 22 deaths. Mortality rate for MS is 2%.

[SheltonChoked]

Exactly. So what is the point of the US health officials and the White House announcing those numbers last night? To make people take this more serious?

We are projected to have that many deaths BECAUSE people are not taking this seriously, Including several on this thread....

We are a couple days away from Louisiana overloading Ventilators....

That's when the deaths spike...

[Dawg2003]

The way we are doing this is so dumb. We need to be performing mass screenings of people. That way, we can just isolate those people for 2 weeks, and we can slowly return to work soon. Screen everyone in nursing homes, grocery store workers, ect. All of the high risk people. When they come up positive, take them out of circulation, so they don't become super spreaders. That's basically what South Korea did, and they are opening back up. We are just sitting around at home with no end in site.

[BeardoMSU]

We are projected to have that many deaths BECAUSE people are not taking this seriously, Including several on this thread....

We are a couple days away from Louisiana overloading Ventilators....

That's when the deaths spike...

Sadly, those projections are "best case" scenarios (according to the models) if we do our very best, in terms of mitigation.

[Dawgology]

Sadly, those projections are "best case" scenarios (according to the models) if we do our very best, in terms of mitigation.

Yep, apparently the US could possibly have 1.5 million deaths from this as worst case scenario. Somehow, with our healthcare system and resources we are going to be 100x worse off than any other country in the world and about 20x's worse the entire rest of the world combined.

[Dawgfan77]

A couple of stats I would like to see. How many deaths have had underlying health issues
Also, how many in NY would have survived had they been administered the malaria treatment

[Liverpooldawg]

Yep, apparently the US could possibly have 1.5 million deaths from this as worst case scenario. Somehow, with our healthcare system and resources we are going to be 100x worse off than any other country in the world and about 20x's worse the entire rest of the world combined.

Total cases is a bad way to compare. Cases per/capita is better, but even then it's dependent on how many get tested and if the numbers are fudged. I don't believe the numbers from China or India. I think the Chinese are just lying. Most of the other countries even close to our size have very poor health systems and are only testinga very small fraction of the population

[hacker]

Also, how many in NY would have survived had they been administered the malaria treatment

They are getting it. People in Mississippi are getting it. It's not a cure.

[BulldogDX55]

Yep, apparently the US could possibly have 1.5 million deaths from this as worst case scenario. Somehow, with our healthcare system and resources we are going to be 100x worse off than any other country in the world and about 20x's worse the entire rest of the world combined.

1. We have worse access to healthcare, especially in rural areas, than most of the other developed countries.

2. We are doing the least, behavior wise, to curb the growth. It will keep getting worse and worse until we have nationwide shelter in place and mass testing.