The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[DownwardDawg]

I remember at the beginning there was speculation that A type blood got hit hard and O type didn't. Did anyone ever investigate this claim?

I haven’t heard anything else about that since it was first reported.

[Cooterpoot]

We hit a high for vent use in Mississippi over the weekend. It has since fallen back some.

We'll see daily changes but it'll stay in the same range. Although, Jones and Wayne Co.
are going to test it.

[Cooterpoot]

You're about to see the number of positive cases in LTC increase since they started testing every resident last week.

They've finished the testing. We should see the bump this week(end).

[Cooterpoot]

Correct. National Guard conducted tests last week. My Mom tested positive. She's been locked down for 2.5 months.

If lock downs really worked, all those homes would be safe. Lock downs simply don't work.

[Liverpooldawg]

We'll see daily changes but it'll stay in the same range. Although, Jones and Wayne Co.
are going to test it.

My understanding is the Jackson area hospitals are seeing significant upticks. Our daily average for new cases is still going up. That WILL translate into more in the ICU and on the vent.

[Liverpooldawg]

If lock downs really worked, all those homes would be safe. Lock downs simply don't work.

Nursing homes can never be completely locked down. People have to be cared for. All it takes is one asymptomatic employee. It's also why the notion that we can some how open back up, go back to normal, while sheltering those at risk is just laughable.

[Liverpooldawg]

Not a single hospital I deal with had issues with PPE. And the PPEs used in surgery and used in a COVID unit aren't the same.
Hell, I can go buy PPEs everyday with no problem. The government hoarded PPEs. But it's not hard to find a lot of what hospital needs.
The lack of testing was the major issue. The slow ass results from MDH. But that's all been corrected too.

I'm still waiting for you to post where to get it. My major sup[plier was by today, there is none to be had, PERIOD right now from his company. This is a MAJOR national company.

[Cooterpoot]

My understanding is the Jackson area hospitals are seeing significant upticks. Our daily average for new cases is still going up. That WILL translate into more in the ICU and on the vent.

Not necessarily on vent usage. I know a couple of the hot spots have seen numbers up but vent increase very little. But you're right about Jackson. Most population dense area in the state, so we'll see where that goes.

[Cooterpoot]

Nursing homes can never be completely locked down. People have to be cared for. All it takes is one asymptomatic employee. It's also why the notion that we can some how open back up, go back to normal, while sheltering those at risk is just laughable.

Correct. Homes prove there's no way to completely lockdown to prevent it. Just takes one person...

[Cooterpoot]

I'm still waiting for you to post where to get it. My major sup[plier was by today, there is none to be had, PERIOD right now from his company. This is a MAJOR national company.

Message me what you need and I'll check on it.

[Dawg2003]

My understanding is the Jackson area hospitals are seeing significant upticks. Our daily average for new cases is still going up. That WILL translate into more in the ICU and on the vent.

All ICUs in the Jackson and Meridian areas are on diversion right now.

[Bass Chaser]

They've finished the testing. We should see the bump this week(end).

I was told all results should be in this afternoon. They will retest my Mom in 7 days. She has some other things going on right now so I don't know if those are creating some similar symptoms. I don't know the accuracy of tests, but I was told it's only about 80%.

[Bass Chaser]

Correct. Homes prove there's no way to completely lockdown to prevent it. Just takes one person...

Based on the precautions the LTC was required to take I believed they were doing everything possible to prevent exposure. I now believe we don't know when someone is contagious.

[Prediction? Pain.]

Some of y'all may have read about how Chattanooga is emerging as a hot spot lately. Figured I'd share some of the recent local data since I'm here.

This is all from the local paper, The Chattanooga Times Free Press. First, new positive tests since mid-April:

https://i.postimg.cc/FHYpz1Yr/New-cases.png

Here are the positive test rates for Tennessee, Alabama, and Georgia:

https://i.postimg.cc/52D3C1zw/Postivie-test-rate.png

Since the Chattanooga metro area includes several northwestern Georgia counties and northeastern Alabama counties, the paper's been giving those states' numbers, too. The county's' positive test rate, which isn't listed on the chart, is around 10%.

Here are the county's total available hospital beds (on the left) and adult ventilators (on the right) since May 2:

https://i.postimg.cc/Dyj571yp/Beds-and-ventilators.png

And here are the county's COVID-19 hospitalizations and ICU numbers since April 6 (dark red are non-ICU hospitalizations, pink are the ICU numbers) as of the end of last week:

https://i.postimg.cc/wBf9Vf6c/Annotation-2020-06-02-215942.png

The latest news today (https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2020/jun/02/hamiltcounty-reports-2-new-covid-19-deaths-ca/524395/) is that two more COVID-19 patients in the county died, one of whom was a 40-45 year old with no underlying conditions, and total hospitalizations went up by four over the weekend from 29 to 33.

Also found out that the retirement home where my wife's great aunt lives -- it's not an assisted living center or nursing home -- had its first positive case yesterday, so that's a huge bummer.

[DownwardDawg]

I guess we?re over that shit now. Fake news was calling out states a week ago for opening up and condemning folks for going to the beach. But these ?protests? are fine. May the Covid run rampant!!!

[JPdog]

In all seriousness, if there aren?t massive outbreaks in cities where these protests are, it would provide evidence that social distancing just isn?t necessary anymore. Would encourage people to read Clay Travis? mailbag today, which included emails from several doctors about how a lot of what we?re being told doesn?t make sense. Really beginning to hope for a normal or close to normal football season

[Commercecomet24]

In all seriousness, if there aren?t massive outbreaks in cities where these protests are, it would provide evidence that social distancing just isn?t necessary anymore. Would encourage people to read Clay Travis? mailbag today, which included emails from several doctors about how a lot of what we?re being told doesn?t make sense. Really beginning to hope for a normal or close to normal football season

I was thinking the same thing. If the virus is as Contagious as experts keep saying there should be massive spikes in all these cities where protest and riots have been going on cause social distancing was sure not being practiced.

[DownwardDawg]

I was thinking the same thing. If the virus is as Contagious as experts keep saying there should be massive spikes in all these cities where protest and riots have been going on cause social distancing was sure not being practiced.

These cities are about to have a major medical issue.

[Bdawg]

Oh come on now guys. Don't you know it's ok? They all wore masks!!!!!*****

[Commercecomet24]

Oh come on now guys. Don't you know it's ok? They all wore masks!!!!!*****

Lol I did notice that! Practicing safe looting I guess!

[Commercecomet24]

These cities are about to have a major medical issue.

I am curious to see the results of this.

[msbulldog]

The formula for catching it: Proximity x Time = Sick You must be around a contaminated person for more than just a short time to to get an adequate viral load.

[WinningIsRelentless]

Don?t blink to quick. Rumor has it that the state is worried we are about to hit hospital capacity in the Jackson area.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Don?t blink to quick. Rumor has it that the state is worried we are about to hit hospital capacity in the Jackson area.

The potential is there for a massive increase in cases in the Black Lives Matter crowds due to protest. I have been listening to 24h news nonstop while working. They are still discussing the risk of covid, but obviously with the protest and the dumbass looters, there are more items to discuss that people are waiting to see. If the cases do not increase in these areas, then opening up things seems to be safer than previously thought. Luckily, the protest are outside and not in an enclosed air space. I am sure I am like all of you, I want the protest to be peaceful, I want the protest to fundamentally change how we approach race issues moving forward, and I want those people to be safe from both being attacked and COVID. Unfortunately, the scum of the earth right now is looting rioting. Like, 17n get a clue dumbass bitches. If i had it my way, the protesters would protest, and the second it starts to get out of hand, the thousands of people squash it immediately with extreme prejudice. Protesters get my full support, rioters and looters are 17n bullshit and deserve getting their asses kicked.

I wish the protesters could stand in their way and just stop it, but in reality they are looting using guerrilla warfare tactics.

edited to add, I stand with the BLM people protesting peacefully. 100%.

[Liverpooldawg]

Mississippi is getting really close to overloading the ICU/COVID wards in at least one place. It's going to be heck if we have to go back on lockdown. I suspect it will be county by county if it happens.

[Dawgfan77]

You got a link?

I have a good friend who works ICU in Jackson works with C19 patients and he is off this week. I would think if it was as bad as you say then he wouldn't be able to take off.

[Dawg2003]

You got a link?

I have a good friend who works ICU in Jackson works with C19 patients and he is off this week. I would think if it was as bad as you say then he wouldn't be able to take off.

It depends on how many nurses they have in relation to the need. It could be his area is over staffed. You don't need every nurse in the entire hospital to be at work at the same time. Yesterday, every ICU in the Jackson and Meridian areas was on diversion. Now, that is obviously not all due to COVID, and it's not abnormal to be on diversion. But I guess the issue is all of them being on diversion at the same time. The healthcare infrastructure is not great in this state to begin with. But you can always airlift to other hospitals. You can always open up ERs and ORs as ICUs. That happens during flu season. We know what to do. The problem comes in when you have something like a stroke or heart attack where time really does matter.

[R2Dawg]

I guess we?re over that shit now. Fake news was calling out states a week ago for opening up and condemning folks for going to the beach. But these ?protests? are fine. May the Covid run rampant!!!

True, true. Journalistic spin at its finest. If it don't fit their narrative, don't use it.

[R2Dawg]

In all seriousness, if there aren?t massive outbreaks in cities where these protests are, it would provide evidence that social distancing just isn?t necessary anymore. Would encourage people to read Clay Travis? mailbag today, which included emails from several doctors about how a lot of what we?re being told doesn?t make sense. Really beginning to hope for a normal or close to normal football season

All models have shown already to be BS. This will bear out in the next 3-6 months. For a month social distancing and congestion everywhere I've been has been normal to excessive. Just got back from Smokey Mtns last week. Most crowded I've seen in some time. If any predictions were worth two cents, half world would be dead now.

Yes virus is real but severity and reaction are not. There is a reason they didn't call it something flu. Flu doesn't scare anyone. Corona virus didn't stick either because virus doesn't scare anyone. A new name for a new disease gets everyone scared and ready to follow whatever they are told. Covid19 sounds bad. Psychological warfare 101.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZefB0HWsAc0BI3?format=jpg&name=medium

[Liverpooldawg]

The real threat isn't fleeting contact, esp outdoors. It's contact greater than 5 minutes, esp indoors. You still should wear a mask indoors in public spaces always. If you are going to be sitting next to someone at an outdoor event you need to too.

[AmiteDog]

All models have shown already to be BS. This will bear out in the next 3-6 months. For a month social distancing and congestion everywhere I've been has been normal to excessive. Just got back from Smokey Mtns last week. Most crowded I've seen in some time. If any predictions were worth two cents, half world would be dead now.

Yes virus is real but severity and reaction are not. There is a reason they didn't call it something flu. Flu doesn't scare anyone. Corona virus didn't stick either because virus doesn't scare anyone. A new name for a new disease gets everyone scared and ready to follow whatever they are told. Covid19 sounds bad. Psychological warfare 101.

I was in the Smokies last weekend as well. I have NEVER seen it so crowded. Friday night wasn?t bad but Saturday the streets of Gatlinburg were packed. Took 3 hours to go thru Cades Cove and every major trail had overflow parking. I?d say less than 10% of people wore masks. Ate at the Local Goat in Pigeon Forge Sunday and it seemed to running at around full capacity. Servers were gloved but no masks. If you weren?t aware of the pandemic you?d never know it had happened by being there.

[Jack Lambert]

I was thinking the same thing. If the virus is as Contagious as experts keep saying there should be massive spikes in all these cities where protest and riots have been going on cause social distancing was sure not being practiced.

I think the heat and being out side is going to save them. Plus I didn't see any old people or oxygen machines. They will probably be ok. Who knows in a wierd way it might enable football to return with fans in the stadium.

[DownwardDawg]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZefB0HWsAc0BI3?format=jpg&name=medium

Hahaha!!

[dantheman4248]

Heard Chicago shut down it's testing centers

The protests are going to have the side affect of limiting the testing done. I wouldn't be surprised to see the numbers dipped regardless as the unrest continues to mount.

[DeltaChicagoDog]

Heard Chicago shut down it's testing centers

The protests are going to have the side affect of limiting the testing done. I wouldn't be surprised to see the numbers dipped regardless as the unrest continues to mount.

This is true. Testing centers have not operated the past couple days. I'm not 100% sure, but they'll likely reopen tomorrow, as things finally started to calm down on Tuesday afternoon. I think testing will have to resume in some capacity given the outbreak potential - we went into Phase 3 on Wednesday, access to the Loop was restored after being cut off for 3 days (bridges were raised, ramps blocked, and CTA service suspended), and although looting has subsided, peaceful protests continue apace. The last three months have been rough. Although shelter-in-place has been lifted, there is now a city-wide curfew between 9pm and 6am.

[msstate7]

The lancet retracts their Hydroxychloroquine study

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140673620313246?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

[confucius say]

The lancet retracts their Hydroxychloroquine study

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140673620313246?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

What's this mean?

[msstate7]

What's this mean?

This explains it better...

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/04/lancet-retracts-major-covid-19-paper-that-raised-safety-concerns-about-malaria-drugs/

[confucius say]

This explains it better...

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/04/lancet-retracts-major-covid-19-paper-that-raised-safety-concerns-about-malaria-drugs/

Well ain't that some ****

[Jack Lambert]

My older brother who had Prostrate cancer that spread to his back and has been in and out of nurshing home tested positive. He is over weight and sick. He's pretty tough. He is in good cheer. I think he will be ok. He believes he caught it at the doctors office.

[BrunswickDawg]

Decent article summarizing what is going on in Georgia and why there may not be a spike due to re-opening (don't discount it just because its Vox) https://www.vox.com/2020/6/4/21267769/georgia-coronavirus-pandemic-covid-cases-deaths-data

I would add one more thing from my observations - while Kemp didn't shut things down until April, a significant number of Georgia's urban centers and small cities shut down a week to 10 days earlier, with Atlanta being the primary one. Add to it, that I know many people who were on "work from home" status by March 20th-ish. So, while the state may not have done the best job, pro-active cities and counties probably made a difference.

[Johnson85]

Decent article summarizing what is going on in Georgia and why there may not be a spike due to re-opening (don't discount it just because its Vox) https://www.vox.com/2020/6/4/21267769/georgia-coronavirus-pandemic-covid-cases-deaths-data

I would add one more thing from my observations - while Kemp didn't shut things down until April, a significant number of Georgia's urban centers and small cities shut down a week to 10 days earlier, with Atlanta being the primary one. Add to it, that I know many people who were on "work from home" status by March 20th-ish. So, while the state may not have done the best job, pro-active cities and counties probably made a difference.

That sounds like a good job to me. Viruses don't spread on a statewide basis and it doesn't make a lot of sense for the state to dictate to counties and cities how to operate on something like this. Make information available and offer guidance, but unless state law is set up where local governments don't have the power they need, there doesn't seem to be any reason to shut down on statewide basis. Where I live shut down before the rest of the state (as we probably should have at the time based on the information available, even if it was unnecessary in hindsight). Our local leaders were bitching, but they were just bitching about having to make a tough decision, since the governor obviously didn't actually need to do anything.

[BrunswickDawg]

That sounds like a good job to me. Viruses don't spread on a statewide basis and it doesn't make a lot of sense for the state to dictate to counties and cities how to operate on something like this. Make information available and offer guidance, but unless state law is set up where local governments don't have the power they need, there doesn't seem to be any reason to shut down on statewide basis. Where I live shut down before the rest of the state (as we probably should have at the time based on the information available, even if it was unnecessary in hindsight). Our local leaders were bitching, but they were just bitching about having to make a tough decision, since the governor obviously didn't actually need to do anything.

It was really interesting to watch, since I work in local govt. Georgia is a home rule oriented state - and Kemp and the current legislature have been pretty aggressive on exerting some power in places where traditionally the State has left things up to locals.
In this case, the locals were ahead of the game - and put out some good local based restrictions. When Kemp finally did act, he wiped away all the local actions and gave no flexibility to local govt. to tailor anything to their needs. An area like ours needed to be able to create restrictions based on our economy and what we know - which is why we closed beaches in March (before Kemp reopened them, then DNR closed them, then they got reopened). We were in the height of Spring Break season - it probably was the difference in us having one of the lower per capita infection rates in the state. The flip side of that - the 33 counties with under 10,000 people probably could have easily just social distanced and kept everything open, and focused concern on the chicken plant they all work in and been much better off.

[Ari Gold]

The Chinese virus “shutdown” is over... after these last few days the cheerleaders for this pandemic have zero case ...
let’s get on with our lives.. this is getting comical

Use common sense, be smart, sanitation, wash hands, basically be ****ing smart human beings. If you don’t feel safe going or doing something Don’t do it...

[DownwardDawg]

The Chinese virus “shutdown” is over... after these last few days the cheerleaders for this pandemic have zero case ...
let’s get on with our lives.. this is getting comical

Use common sense, be smart, sanitation, wash hands, basically be ****ing smart human beings. If you don’t feel safe going or doing something Don’t do it...

I agree 100%. Now we’re seeing what this was all about. It was a scare tactic but now there’s a better story.

In all seriousness, it’s amazing how the media flipped the script. It’s like Covid ain’t shit now as long as you are a protester. But damn you if you go to the beach or eat at a restaurant!!!

[dantheman4248]

Some of you socially distanced before it was mandatory and it shows.

[DownwardDawg]

Some of you socially distanced before it was mandatory and it shows.

I went fishing today. It’s much easier from my couch than it was on the reservoir this morning. You so easy bro.

[msstate7]

Michigan had an awful report today

[DownwardDawg]

Michigan had an awful report today

High numbers???

[msstate7]

High numbers???

5298 cases
260 deaths

[dantheman4248]

I went fishing today. It?s much easier from my couch than it was on the reservoir this morning. You so easy bro.

Oh man you really got me. You understood my comment and roasted me. Oh whatever will I do. You got me.

[Liverpooldawg]

I agree 100%. Now we?re seeing what this was all about. It was a scare tactic but now there?s a better story.

In all seriousness, it?s amazing how the media flipped the script. It?s like Covid ain?t shit now as long as you are a protester. But damn you if you go to the beach or eat at a restaurant!!!

The virus is still there and is getting pretty serious in places in Mississippi. The media is basically a bunch of morons that aren't capable of doing anything more complicated than talk about what others do. You need to realize they are stupid and have an agenda. It's hard to overestimate just how incredibly stupid they are. That is very dangerous. I believe in the freedom of the press but the current press in the US needs to be disbanded and prohibited from ever being in the media again.

[msstate7]

Univ. of Pittsburgh doctors say covid19 appears to be weakening

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8390849/University-Pittsburgh-doctors-say-coronavirus-appears-declining-potency.html

[DownwardDawg]

The virus is still there and is getting pretty serious in places in Mississippi. The media is basically a bunch of morons that aren't capable of doing anything more complicated than talk about what others do. You need to realize they are stupid and have an agenda. It's hard to overestimate just how incredibly stupid they are. That is very dangerous. I believe in the freedom of the press but the current press in the US needs to be disbanded and prohibited from ever being in the media again.

This is definitely something we agree on.

[sack07]

Michigan began reporting probable cases and deaths today. You can read about it at Covid Tracking.

[Todd4State]

Univ. of Pittsburgh doctors say covid19 appears to be weakening

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8390849/University-Pittsburgh-doctors-say-coronavirus-appears-declining-potency.html

What I am seeing/hearing is the reported cases of it may be going up or spiking but the hospitalizations appear to be going down. To me, that's good. It sounds to me that they may be seeing the same thing I am.

[msstate7]

Norway Scientist Claims Report Proves Coronavirus Was Lab-Made

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/06/07/norway-scientist-claims-report-proves-coronavirus-was-lab-made/#dc97602121d8

[msstate7]

Almost all states have reported, and we're less than 400 deaths. This could be lowest total since March.

[Liverpooldawg]

There are lots of early indications for spikes in the early opening states. That is no surprise. It will be interesting to see what effect the protests have. The CDC point blank says if you went to one you need to be tested. The people that protested were basically selfish in the extreme and had NO consideration for their fellow humans. I agree with them on what happened, but they obviously don't care about the unintended results of their actions.

[confucius say]

MS cases and deaths are down a good bit the last 4 days. Good stuff.

[msstate7]

MS cases and deaths are down a good bit the last 4 days. Good stuff.

Hospitalization rate, ICU, and ventilators down too

[Jack Lambert]

What I am seeing/hearing is the reported cases of it may be going up or spiking but the hospitalizations appear to be going down. To me, that's good. It sounds to me that they may be seeing the same thing I am.

My brother is in the Starkville hospital. 50% chance he is going on ventilator.

[Gutter Cobreh]

MS cases and deaths are down a good bit the last 4 days. Good stuff.


Hospitalization rate, ICU, and ventilators down too

That's great news!

As has been discussed previously that deaths were being counted as COVID regardless, I'm seeing reports that pneumonia deaths are up dramatically now - especially in FL.

Of course, there are other reports that this isn't the case. Below are some excerpts from a Tampa Bay article:

"Federal health data is complicated, and the CDC has multiple portals with information that can be pulled in a variety of ways. Researchers spend years learning how to accurately parse the statistics."

"Not all the doubt over Florida?s coronavirus numbers can be tied to disbelief over the state?s avoidance of modelers? worst expectations. This month, a Department of Health employee who was overseeing the state?s online data dashboard said she was forced to resign and had been pressured to manipulate data to support a plan to begin reopening businesses and public spaces. Ferr? said the woman had been insubordinate; the health department has denied manipulating data".

"Officials have also apparently clashed with Florida?s medical examiners, who said they had been told not to report information on deaths from the coronavirus that they believed was public. The medical examiners had been sharing higher death totals than the Department of Health."

"Those scenarios likely offered fuel for the online rumors, but Howard said the reality is Americans simply will not know the real toll of the pandemic for years."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/29/theres-a-new-theory-about-florida-coronavirus-and-pneumonia-deaths-read-this-first/%3foutputType=amp

In summary, I guess what I'm saying is that the media lies, the government lies, and no one has a clue on this whole thing. Public data is so "complicated" that a layman can't run it to see what's happening and even if they could, there are so many asterisks to the numbers that they've already been manipulated prior to being entered.

[DownwardDawg]

The media should be embarrassed about this whole thing but they won’t be. They have a new shiny toy to play with and tell us how terrible we all are. The media is this country has become dangerous and an enemy of the state.

[dantheman4248]

The media should be embarrassed about this whole thing but they won’t be. They have a new shiny toy to play with and tell us how terrible we all are. The media is this country has become dangerous and an enemy of the state.

Yes let's blame the media for these protests and not the system that allows all these instances of police brutality. Yes the media is the bad guys.

[RezDog7]

Yes let's blame the media for these protests and not the system that allows all these instances of police brutality. Yes the media is the bad guys.

Don't break the law. It's pretty simple really.

[confucius say]

Don't break the law. It's pretty simple really.

No it's not that simple. By in large the police do a good job. But there are officers who, even if they are not abusive, harass people when they shouldn't. It happened to me. I had dark tinted windows. Officer pulled me over and said it was because he noticed I was going 60 in a 70. Then started asking where I'd been and was I drinking. I said no, I had a spare tire on. I was respectful and let it go.

I know the numbers say police brutality is less against blacks per police encounter than against whites, but I think blacks, at least in the south, are harassed more (pulled over for no reason, etc). That's what needs to end, and both the police and black community can help with that. I hope the dialogue encompasses that at some point.

[dantheman4248]

Don't break the law. It's pretty simple really.

Breonna Taylor was killed because police performed a no-knock raid with plain-clothes on. They went to the wrong house. And by wrong house I mean it was no where even close to where they should have been. (As in not even the same neighborhood, road name not similar, etc.)

The only one arrested from the incident was her significant other. Last week he finally had his charges dropped. The killers I mean police still walk free.

For you to say "don't break the law," means you are willfully being ignorant at this point.

Sidenote: $20 is not worth killing over. That would be an 8th amendment violation (cruel and unusual punishment.)

So it's pretty simple, police should be held accountable for breaking the law. Which is what people are protesting for.

[DownwardDawg]

I was mostly talking about the pandemic, but carry on.

[DownwardDawg]

Breonna Taylor was killed because police performed a no-knock raid with plain-clothes on. They went to the wrong house. And by wrong house I mean it was no where even close to where they should have been. (As in not even the same neighborhood, road name not similar, etc.)

The only one arrested from the incident was her significant other. Last week he finally had his charges dropped. The killers I mean police still walk free.

For you to say "don't break the law," means you are willfully being ignorant at this point.

Sidenote: $20 is not worth killing over. That would be an 8th amendment violation (cruel and unusual punishment.)

So it's pretty simple, police should be held accountable for breaking the law. Which is what people are protesting for.

All the cops have been arrested and charged. The idiot that killed him was arrested immediately. No need for protests and looting and rioting. Justice is being served.

[dantheman4248]

All the cops have been arrested and charged. The idiot that killed him was arrested immediately. No need for protests and looting and rioting. Justice is being served.

Umm no.

This is not one incident. Did you even read? Breonna Taylor is another case entirely.

How you can say there are no need for protests when after a week these people were charged due to the outrage and had level of severity gone up. All over the country there are slowly starting to be laws and ideas passed in response.

This is just an all around naive post.

[Liverpooldawg]

Umm no.

This is not one incident. Did you even read? Breonna Taylor is another case entirely.

How you can say there are no need for protests when after a week these people were charged due to the outrage and had level of severity gone up. All over the country there are slowly starting to be laws and ideas passed in response.

This is just an all around naive post.

The mobs don't want justice, they want revenge.

[RezDog7]

Breonna Taylor was killed because police performed a no-knock raid with plain-clothes on. They went to the wrong house. And by wrong house I mean it was no where even close to where they should have been. (As in not even the same neighborhood, road name not similar, etc.)

The only one arrested from the incident was her significant other. Last week he finally had his charges dropped. The killers I mean police still walk free.

For you to say "don't break the law," means you are willfully being ignorant at this point.

Sidenote: $20 is not worth killing over. That would be an 8th amendment violation (cruel and unusual punishment.)

So it's pretty simple, police should be held accountable for breaking the law. Which is what people are protesting for.

How is an accidental Shooting considered police brutality? I'm sure the family will get millions in insurance money. It is a terrible incident, but in no way criminal.

[Johnson85]

How is an accidental Shooting considered police brutality? I'm sure the family will get millions in insurance money. It is a terrible incident, but in no way criminal.

It depends on the jurisdiction, but that's certainly not guaranteed. In Mississippi, you get the greater of $500k or whatever insurance they carry. Most jurisdictions do carry more insurance, but there's no guarantee.

And I'm sorry, but if you go in the wrong house on a no knock raid, that's at worst manslaughter. You can't make a mistake on something like that. And a lot of the no-knock raids are unnecessary anyway. A lot of times they carry out no knock raids when they have the target under surveillance outside of the house within 24 hours before.

[starkvegasdawg]

New Zealand reporting corona is now eradicated there. Last known positive test was 17 days ago and that patient has now recovered. Since then they have conducted 40,000 additional tests with all results negative. No known cases of corona now exist there.

[Gutter Cobreh]

New Zealand reporting corona is now eradicated there. Last known positive test was 17 days ago and that patient has now recovered. Since then they have conducted 40,000 additional tests with all results negative. No known cases of corona now exist there.

Helps when you don't have another land border around you and you lock travel down. They've also been under some intense restrictions.

[Jack Lambert]

The mobs don't want justice, they want revenge.

And Rolex's.

[Dawgology]

Umm no.

This is not one incident. Did you even read? Breonna Taylor is another case entirely.

How you can say there are no need for protests when after a week these people were charged due to the outrage and had level of severity gone up. All over the country there are slowly starting to be laws and ideas passed in response.

This is just an all around naive post.

I've stayed silent long enough. I've been in law enforcement for 20 years (not as a first responder) so it has allowed me to view what is happening through two different lenses so here is my take (I will link stat sources in the bottom):

Between 2017 and 2020 3,416 people were shot and killed by law enforcement officials. Approximately 755 of those were black (approx. 22%). Of those 2% were unarmed or had no weapon. That equates to 15 unarmed, black individuals killed by the police over a 4 year period (or approximately 4 a year). Of those I know of at least 6 that made national headlines and were investigated and (in some cases) the officer was charged and/or lost their job. I will have to dig deep to find info on the others. It is an important stat here that is uncomfortable but it is a statistic none-the-less and is not inherently racist. The black population accounts for almost 50% of violent crimes in the US though they represent less than 20% of the overall population. Because of this it stands to reason that the black population actually comes into contact with law enforcement at a higher rate (per capita) than any other race.

On the flip side of that there are over 800,000 active law enforcement officers in the United State today....800,000. I understand that those that have abused their power and made a mockery of the values and codes we hold dear are all over the news but they do NOT represent 99.999% of law enforcement officials. Really. Look at the stats. Let's say that of those 15 unarmed cases that FIVE officers were involved in each incident and they were not justified in that use of force. They would represent .009% of all law enforcement. So all cops are bastards, then? All cops should die? We should defund and dissolve all law enforcement agencies?? Of those 800,000 58,866 were assaulted in 2018 alone with approx. 18,000 sustaining injuries while approximately 163 officers die in the line of duty each year.

The level of stupidity in this country is at an all time high. Minneapolis is talking about dissolving police departments and sending SOCIAL WORKERS and PSYCHOLOGISTS to go to scenes and de-escalate a situation. Good luck finding someone stupid enough to try that. Folks will discover that theory versus application are two very different things. It's very easy to sit in the ivory tower and tell people how things SHOULD be done...it's entirely different in application.

I'm not saying that law enforcement doesn't have room to grow. We need to EVOLVE our police force. We need to stop militarizing our police force to the point we are now and focus more on communication, mental health, and race relations. We need to communicate better with the communities that we serve. This will come down to training and the way hiring is done. I'm not knocking what our military personnel has done for this country but (and this is my opinion) individuals with military experience (especially combat experience) don't need to be on a police force. That entire mindset needs to change.

Also, there MUST be judicial reform. Many things that law enforcement and first responders are blamed for happen at the court setting. Little known fact here...law enforcement has very little to nothing to do with sentencing someone. That happens between prosecutors, defense attorneys, and a judge. Also, I have a big issue with police unions. But that is another matter entirely.

This is all a very complex issue that is being misdirected based on anectodal evidence and not real stats.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/topic-pages/officers-assaulted

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/

https://nleomf.org/facts-figures/law-enforcement-facts

[msstate7]

New Zealand reporting corona is now eradicated there. Last known positive test was 17 days ago and that patient has now recovered. Since then they have conducted 40,000 additional tests with all results negative. No known cases of corona now exist there.

Are their borders shut down? If so, will a negative test be required to enter country?

[Liverpooldawg]

They haven't released the hospital numbers yet but we set a record for the number of new cases today.

[Liverpooldawg]

The hospital numbers were up, but not in record territory.

[Dawgology]

The hospital numbers were up, but not in record territory.

So new record on daily cases but not hospital admission? I've heard that several hospitals in northeast mississippi are maxed out on vent patients and Covid unit are full. Not sure how true it is but I heard from a pretty reliable source.

[RezDog7]

I've stayed silent long enough. I've been in law enforcement for 20 years (not as a first responder) so it has allowed me to view what is happening through two different lenses so here is my take (I will link stat sources in the bottom):

Between 2017 and 2020 3,416 people were shot and killed by law enforcement officials. Approximately 755 of those were black (approx. 22%). Of those 2% were unarmed or had no weapon. That equates to 15 unarmed, black individuals killed by the police over a 4 year period (or approximately 4 a year). Of those I know of at least 6 that made national headlines and were investigated and (in some cases) the officer was charged and/or lost their job. I will have to dig deep to find info on the others. It is an important stat here that is uncomfortable but it is a statistic none-the-less and is not inherently racist. The black population accounts for almost 50% of violent crimes in the US though they represent less than 20% of the overall population. Because of this it stands to reason that the black population actually comes into contact with law enforcement at a higher rate (per capita) than any other race.

On the flip side of that there are over 800,000 active law enforcement officers in the United State today....800,000. I understand that those that have abused their power and made a mockery of the values and codes we hold dear are all over the news but they do NOT represent 99.999% of law enforcement officials. Really. Look at the stats. Let's say that of those 15 unarmed cases that FIVE officers were involved in each incident and they were not justified in that use of force. They would represent .009% of all law enforcement. So all cops are bastards, then? All cops should die? We should defund and dissolve all law enforcement agencies?? Of those 800,000 58,866 were assaulted in 2018 alone with approx. 18,000 sustaining injuries while approximately 163 officers die in the line of duty each year.

The level of stupidity in this country is at an all time high. Minneapolis is talking about dissolving police departments and sending SOCIAL WORKERS and PSYCHOLOGISTS to go to scenes and de-escalate a situation. Good luck finding someone stupid enough to try that. Folks will discover that theory versus application are two very different things. It's very easy to sit in the ivory tower and tell people how things SHOULD be done...it's entirely different in application.

I'm not saying that law enforcement doesn't have room to grow. We need to EVOLVE our police force. We need to stop militarizing our police force to the point we are now and focus more on communication, mental health, and race relations. We need to communicate better with the communities that we serve. This will come down to training and the way hiring is done. I'm not knocking what our military personnel has done for this country but (and this is my opinion) individuals with military experience (especially combat experience) don't need to be on a police force. That entire mindset needs to change.

Also, there MUST be judicial reform. Many things that law enforcement and first responders are blamed for happen at the court setting. Little known fact here...law enforcement has very little to nothing to do with sentencing someone. That happens between prosecutors, defense attorneys, and a judge. Also, I have a big issue with police unions. But that is another matter entirely.

This is all a very complex issue that is being misdirected based on anectodal evidence and not real stats.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/topic-pages/officers-assaulted

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/

https://nleomf.org/facts-figures/law-enforcement-facts

Thank you for your service.

[turkish]

I've stayed silent long enough. I've been in law enforcement for 20 years (not as a first responder) so it has allowed me to view what is happening through two different lenses so here is my take (I will link stat sources in the bottom):

Between 2017 and 2020 3,416 people were shot and killed by law enforcement officials. Approximately 755 of those were black (approx. 22%). Of those 2% were unarmed or had no weapon. That equates to 15 unarmed, black individuals killed by the police over a 4 year period (or approximately 4 a year). Of those I know of at least 6 that made national headlines and were investigated and (in some cases) the officer was charged and/or lost their job. I will have to dig deep to find info on the others. It is an important stat here that is uncomfortable but it is a statistic none-the-less and is not inherently racist. The black population accounts for almost 50% of violent crimes in the US though they represent less than 20% of the overall population. Because of this it stands to reason that the black population actually comes into contact with law enforcement at a higher rate (per capita) than any other race.

On the flip side of that there are over 800,000 active law enforcement officers in the United State today....800,000. I understand that those that have abused their power and made a mockery of the values and codes we hold dear are all over the news but they do NOT represent 99.999% of law enforcement officials. Really. Look at the stats. Let's say that of those 15 unarmed cases that FIVE officers were involved in each incident and they were not justified in that use of force. They would represent .009% of all law enforcement. So all cops are bastards, then? All cops should die? We should defund and dissolve all law enforcement agencies?? Of those 800,000 58,866 were assaulted in 2018 alone with approx. 18,000 sustaining injuries while approximately 163 officers die in the line of duty each year.

The level of stupidity in this country is at an all time high. Minneapolis is talking about dissolving police departments and sending SOCIAL WORKERS and PSYCHOLOGISTS to go to scenes and de-escalate a situation. Good luck finding someone stupid enough to try that. Folks will discover that theory versus application are two very different things. It's very easy to sit in the ivory tower and tell people how things SHOULD be done...it's entirely different in application.

I'm not saying that law enforcement doesn't have room to grow. We need to EVOLVE our police force. We need to stop militarizing our police force to the point we are now and focus more on communication, mental health, and race relations. We need to communicate better with the communities that we serve. This will come down to training and the way hiring is done. I'm not knocking what our military personnel has done for this country but (and this is my opinion) individuals with military experience (especially combat experience) don't need to be on a police force. That entire mindset needs to change.

Also, there MUST be judicial reform. Many things that law enforcement and first responders are blamed for happen at the court setting. Little known fact here...law enforcement has very little to nothing to do with sentencing someone. That happens between prosecutors, defense attorneys, and a judge. Also, I have a big issue with police unions. But that is another matter entirely.

This is all a very complex issue that is being misdirected based on anectodal evidence and not real stats.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/topic-pages/officers-assaulted

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/

https://nleomf.org/facts-figures/law-enforcement-facts

And my biggest fear right now is that sensible points of view like this are increasingly being labeled as racist.

[Liverpooldawg]

So new record on daily cases but not hospital admission? I've heard that several hospitals in northeast mississippi are maxed out on vent patients and Covid unit are full. Not sure how true it is but I heard from a pretty reliable source.

Yep. I have no idea about the hospital cases in NE Miss. The only figure you can find is North Mississippi Health Services. They have 32 in patient cases, the most I have seen. That includes all the hospitals in their system. I would imagine most of those would be in Tupelo. Their system also includes smaller hospitals in Amory, Iuka, Eupora, West Point, Pontotoc, and Hamilton AL.

[redstickdawg]

I've stayed silent long enough. I've been in law enforcement for 20 years (not as a first responder) so it has allowed me to view what is happening through two different lenses so here is my take (I will link stat sources in the bottom):

Between 2017 and 2020 3,416 people were shot and killed by law enforcement officials. Approximately 755 of those were black (approx. 22%). Of those 2% were unarmed or had no weapon. That equates to 15 unarmed, black individuals killed by the police over a 4 year period (or approximately 4 a year). Of those I know of at least 6 that made national headlines and were investigated and (in some cases) the officer was charged and/or lost their job. I will have to dig deep to find info on the others. It is an important stat here that is uncomfortable but it is a statistic none-the-less and is not inherently racist. The black population accounts for almost 50% of violent crimes in the US though they represent less than 20% of the overall population. Because of this it stands to reason that the black population actually comes into contact with law enforcement at a higher rate (per capita) than any other race.

On the flip side of that there are over 800,000 active law enforcement officers in the United State today....800,000. I understand that those that have abused their power and made a mockery of the values and codes we hold dear are all over the news but they do NOT represent 99.999% of law enforcement officials. Really. Look at the stats. Let's say that of those 15 unarmed cases that FIVE officers were involved in each incident and they were not justified in that use of force. They would represent .009% of all law enforcement. So all cops are bastards, then? All cops should die? We should defund and dissolve all law enforcement agencies?? Of those 800,000 58,866 were assaulted in 2018 alone with approx. 18,000 sustaining injuries while approximately 163 officers die in the line of duty each year.

The level of stupidity in this country is at an all time high. Minneapolis is talking about dissolving police departments and sending SOCIAL WORKERS and PSYCHOLOGISTS to go to scenes and de-escalate a situation. Good luck finding someone stupid enough to try that. Folks will discover that theory versus application are two very different things. It's very easy to sit in the ivory tower and tell people how things SHOULD be done...it's entirely different in application.

I'm not saying that law enforcement doesn't have room to grow. We need to EVOLVE our police force. We need to stop militarizing our police force to the point we are now and focus more on communication, mental health, and race relations. We need to communicate better with the communities that we serve. This will come down to training and the way hiring is done. I'm not knocking what our military personnel has done for this country but (and this is my opinion) individuals with military experience (especially combat experience) don't need to be on a police force. That entire mindset needs to change.

Also, there MUST be judicial reform. Many things that law enforcement and first responders are blamed for happen at the court setting. Little known fact here...law enforcement has very little to nothing to do with sentencing someone. That happens between prosecutors, defense attorneys, and a judge. Also, I have a big issue with police unions. But that is another matter entirely.

This is all a very complex issue that is being misdirected based on anectodal evidence and not real stats.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/topic-pages/officers-assaulted

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/

https://nleomf.org/facts-figures/law-enforcement-facts

best post that I have seen on all of the police issues. The militarization of the police is very noticeable when you travel to other countries where the police is less dressed out with surplus military gear. When did the police start becoming pseudo military? I remember a few years not exactly when this started and thought it not a good idea.

[BrunswickDawg]

best post that I have seen on all of the police issues. The militarization of the police is very noticeable when you travel to other countries where the police is less dressed out with surplus military gear. When did the police start becoming pseudo military? I remember a few years not exactly when this started and thought it not a good idea.

It started in earnest after 9/11 as a counter-terrorism endeavor.

Interestingly, dissolving our county PD and turning all county law enforcement to our Sheriff is on the ballot in November. One of the primary reasons was the issues with use of force, and the tendency to cover for bad acts within the GCPD. And, this was before the Arbery murder and that case went national. While our county PD has become dis-functional, our city police have been working to implement a community policing approach over the past 5 years, and we have seen crime drop 35% a year over the past 3 years - while our overall "metro" area (Glynn, Brantley & McIntosh Counties) have seen an overall increase in crime.

I think a lot of issues could be made better by police, and the command structure, recognizing that they are fallible.

[dantheman4248]

I've stayed silent long enough. I've been in law enforcement for 20 years (not as a first responder) so it has allowed me to view what is happening through two different lenses so here is my take (I will link stat sources in the bottom):

Between 2017 and 2020 3,416 people were shot and killed by law enforcement officials. Approximately 755 of those were black (approx. 22%). Of those 2% were unarmed or had no weapon. That equates to 15 unarmed, black individuals killed by the police over a 4 year period (or approximately 4 a year). Of those I know of at least 6 that made national headlines and were investigated and (in some cases) the officer was charged and/or lost their job. I will have to dig deep to find info on the others. It is an important stat here that is uncomfortable but it is a statistic none-the-less and is not inherently racist. The black population accounts for almost 50% of violent crimes in the US though they represent less than 20% of the overall population. Because of this it stands to reason that the black population actually comes into contact with law enforcement at a higher rate (per capita) than any other race.

On the flip side of that there are over 800,000 active law enforcement officers in the United State today....800,000. I understand that those that have abused their power and made a mockery of the values and codes we hold dear are all over the news but they do NOT represent 99.999% of law enforcement officials. Really. Look at the stats. Let's say that of those 15 unarmed cases that FIVE officers were involved in each incident and they were not justified in that use of force. They would represent .009% of all law enforcement. So all cops are bastards, then? All cops should die? We should defund and dissolve all law enforcement agencies?? Of those 800,000 58,866 were assaulted in 2018 alone with approx. 18,000 sustaining injuries while approximately 163 officers die in the line of duty each year.

The level of stupidity in this country is at an all time high. Minneapolis is talking about dissolving police departments and sending SOCIAL WORKERS and PSYCHOLOGISTS to go to scenes and de-escalate a situation. Good luck finding someone stupid enough to try that. Folks will discover that theory versus application are two very different things. It's very easy to sit in the ivory tower and tell people how things SHOULD be done...it's entirely different in application.

I'm not saying that law enforcement doesn't have room to grow. We need to EVOLVE our police force. We need to stop militarizing our police force to the point we are now and focus more on communication, mental health, and race relations. We need to communicate better with the communities that we serve. This will come down to training and the way hiring is done. I'm not knocking what our military personnel has done for this country but (and this is my opinion) individuals with military experience (especially combat experience) don't need to be on a police force. That entire mindset needs to change.

Also, there MUST be judicial reform. Many things that law enforcement and first responders are blamed for happen at the court setting. Little known fact here...law enforcement has very little to nothing to do with sentencing someone. That happens between prosecutors, defense attorneys, and a judge. Also, I have a big issue with police unions. But that is another matter entirely.

This is all a very complex issue that is being misdirected based on anectodal evidence and not real stats.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/topic-pages/officers-assaulted

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/

https://nleomf.org/facts-figures/law-enforcement-facts

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/2/d/e/2PACX-1vQnoNTUx4HU09pNioKwh6SxgLyrJXJuXKt6IIejynkVq_JBBG QQwAMR0OGsgVilHhjUUdN1WEFpXwjo/pubhtml

It's not just killings that are instances of police brutality. I'm just looking at stats there and that's troubling that we couldn't go two weeks without breaking 500 incidents.

As for the section about black population accounting for 50% of violent crimes and thus coming into contact more with leo. That's a chicken and egg thing, no? Self-fulfilling prophecy somewhat.

But your points about growth is correct. We need to defund the military toys (and things that are war crimes) and invest in pay, training, etc. I personally don't think Minneapolis will be successful, but I'm interested to see the results and how this will drive the conversation forward.

I think we can all agree of these 5 things for cops that would make life easier for everyone (cops, poc, white people alike):

1. Require body cameras at all times. (Have someone trained to watching all active cops in the department. Once one feed goes out notify officer immediately. If unable to fix immediately, officer is to return to precinct and be supplied with a new one. Not to engage in any cop-like activities. Arrest with the buddy system to mitigate a person in custody when one camera goes out.)
2. End chokeholds. No neck restraining, period.
3. End qualified immunity. You're trained by the law. You shouldn't be able to go outside said bounds without no restriction.
4. Stop spending on ridiculous toys, spend on the officers themselves. (The money saved on riot gear, tear gas, swat bullshit is going to more than make up for cameras and training.)
5. No Han Solo shooting. As a cop, you do not shoot to kill first. You are trained to handle a deadly weapon. You are trained to act under pressure. Shoot to disarm or don't shoot first. Cameras will help tell the story here.

Don't think that this stuff is unreasonable. Would make things go a lot smoother. People wouldn't have to videotape every encounter with a cop. People could feel secure that the cop has a level of oversight that will prevent police brutality. (Again brutality is not limited to death.)

[Heston]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/2/d/e/2PACX-1vQnoNTUx4HU09pNioKwh6SxgLyrJXJuXKt6IIejynkVq_JBBG QQwAMR0OGsgVilHhjUUdN1WEFpXwjo/pubhtml

It's not just killings that are instances of police brutality. I'm just looking at stats there and that's troubling that we couldn't go two weeks without breaking 500 incidents.

As for the section about black population accounting for 50% of violent crimes and thus coming into contact more with leo. That's a chicken and egg thing, no? Self-fulfilling prophecy somewhat.

But your points about growth is correct. We need to defund the military toys (and things that are war crimes) and invest in pay, training, etc. I personally don't think Minneapolis will be successful, but I'm interested to see the results and how this will drive the conversation forward.

I think we can all agree of these 5 things for cops that would make life easier for everyone (cops, poc, white people alike):

1. Require body cameras at all times. (Have someone trained to watching all active cops in the department. Once one feed goes out notify officer immediately. If unable to fix immediately, officer is to return to precinct and be supplied with a new one. Not to engage in any cop-like activities. Arrest with the buddy system to mitigate a person in custody when one camera goes out.)
2. End chokeholds. No neck restraining, period.
3. End qualified immunity. You're trained by the law. You shouldn't be able to go outside said bounds without no restriction.
4. Stop spending on ridiculous toys, spend on the officers themselves. (The money saved on riot gear, tear gas, swat bullshit is going to more than make up for cameras and training.)
5. No Han Solo shooting. As a cop, you do not shoot to kill first. You are trained to handle a deadly weapon. You are trained to act under pressure. Shoot to disarm or don't shoot first. Cameras will help tell the story here.

Don't think that this stuff is unreasonable. Would make things go a lot smoother. People wouldn't have to videotape every encounter with a cop. People could feel secure that the cop has a level of oversight that will prevent police brutality. (Again brutality is not limited to death.)

You are a one man echo chamber.

[confucius say]

Asymptomatic spread of covid is "very rare" per the WHO.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

[Johnson85]

Asymptomatic spread of covid is "very rare" per the WHO.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

I find that a little hard to believe based on the fact that there have been some processing plants where a huge percentage of the workforce got it but basically nobody was symptomatic. I guess there could have been one person with mild symptoms somehow circulating it to basically everybody.

[Johnson85]

It started in earnest after 9/11 as a counter-terrorism endeavor.

Interestingly, dissolving our county PD and turning all county law enforcement to our Sheriff is on the ballot in November. One of the primary reasons was the issues with use of force, and the tendency to cover for bad acts within the GCPD. And, this was before the Arbery murder and that case went national. While our county PD has become dis-functional, our city police have been working to implement a community policing approach over the past 5 years, and we have seen crime drop 35% a year over the past 3 years - while our overall "metro" area (Glynn, Brantley & McIntosh Counties) have seen an overall increase in crime.

I think a lot of issues could be made better by police, and the command structure, recognizing that they are fallible.

SO y'all have a county police department, and a sheriff's department? What is the sheriff's department for if not the law enforcement in the county?

[Dawgology]

It's not just killings that are instances of police brutality. I'm just looking at stats there and that's troubling that we couldn't go two weeks without breaking 500 incidents.

As for the section about black population accounting for 50% of violent crimes and thus coming into contact more with leo. That's a chicken and egg thing, no? Self-fulfilling prophecy somewhat.

Not really, in regards to violent crimes the police are typically called TOO them they aren't there before they happen. In other words, we typically aren't there before the shooting, assault, armed robbery, rape, murder happens they arrive as it's happening or shortly after to pick up the pieces. We have to look at WHY that is and then go from there. It has very little to do with law enforcement and a lot to do with poverty, education, and leadership. That could be addressed many ways.

But your points about growth is correct. We need to defund the military toys (and things that are war crimes) and invest in pay, training, etc. I personally don't think Minneapolis will be successful, but I'm interested to see the results and how this will drive the conversation forward.

I think we can all agree of these 5 things for cops that would make life easier for everyone (cops, poc, white people alike):

1. Require body cameras at all times. (Have someone trained to watching all active cops in the department. Once one feed goes out notify officer immediately. If unable to fix immediately, officer is to return to precinct and be supplied with a new one. Not to engage in any cop-like activities. Arrest with the buddy system to mitigate a person in custody when one camera goes out.)

Most body cameras arent live feed they record and download...and they are expensive. Our department spends about $75k a year on them and we are just a mid-seized department. If you are in pursuit of an individual with a weapon or in the middle of breaking up a dispute you can't just leave to go get a camera and come back later. I mean: guy is running after his wife with a shotgun through the front yard and and you jump out to stop him and your camera falls off or stops working...you just turnaround and leave?? It's going to be VERY tough to use a buddy system when your department is underfunded or DE-funded. Most precincts barely have enough officers to cover a regular shift as it is (that's with one man per beat)...how are you going to afford more police with less money in your budget. Plus...you get rid of qualified immunity then no one in their right minds will be law enforcement anymore anyway. With that said body cameras should be required for all law enforcement but it's going to have to be funded. It's not just the device you are buying but cloud storage forhundreds of thousands of hours of footage and software to parse it all and search it

2. End chokeholds. No neck restraining, period. 100% agree

3. End qualified immunity. You're trained by the law. You shouldn't be able to go outside said bounds without no restriction.

50% disagree. That means if I get in a tussle with a drunk guy that wants to drive home and decides to fight me and he ends up breaking his nose or wrist or whatever...or if I tase him...then he will be able to sue me and also I will have aggravated assault charges leveled against me. Law enforcement officers would be bankrupt or in jail within their first year. I propose QI stands but we appoint a special unit that complaints go directly to at the state level that are triaged by a wide variety of professionals and then appropriate action is taken if warranted. A unit that is dissassociated from the AG's office or any law enforcement agency that is made up of attorneys, social workers, psychologists, use of force experts, investigators, etc. It would be a FULL time job.

4. Stop spending on ridiculous toys, spend on the officers themselves. (The money saved on riot gear, tear gas, swat bullshit is going to more than make up for cameras and training.) 10000000% agree

5. No Han Solo shooting. As a cop, you do not shoot to kill first. You are trained to handle a deadly weapon. You are trained to act under pressure. Shoot to disarm or don't shoot first. Cameras will help tell the story here.

100% disagree You just can't do that. In the heat of the moment when bullets start flying or someone is running at you with a weapon very few people have the type of control to shoot a weapon out of your hand. The second you pull the trigger of a gun you are committing to kill someone. It is a deadly weapon. I've seen people shot in the foot, leg, and arm die within 5 minutes and someone shot in the head live and go home th enext day. Once that projectile enters a body and impacts a bone it can go pretty much anywhere inside of the human body. I can't express enough how wrong you are on this one. Every time I hear this argument I just think someone has watched too much TV and movies. If someone pulls a gun on you you have a second to decide whether or not you want to live the rest of your life. If you want to go home to your family. At the end of the day...don't...pull..a...weapon...on....a...cop... It's a very simple method.

Don't think that this stuff is unreasonable. Would make things go a lot smoother. People wouldn't have to videotape every encounter with a cop. People could feel secure that the cop has a level of oversight that will prevent police brutality. (Again brutality is not limited to death.)

You are correct here and THAT needs to be addressed. Most of the rhetoric seems to focus on death though so that's what I geared my thoughts toward. Again, I have been in law enforcement for 20 years...I have seen our department offer one...ONE...4 hour course on communication and we are probably ahead of the curve on that for most law enforcement agencies. As opposed to our mandatory FIVE TIMES a year training in shooting and fighting. That has to change. You can't sharpen a sword and not expect it to cut. We have to change the way we hire and train.

[dantheman4248]

You are a one man echo chamber.

3 years and you use your first post on this. Who's banned backup account are you?

[Heston]

Nobody's. And the point stands.

[DownwardDawg]

And Rolex's.

They never steal work boots and tools.

[DownwardDawg]

I've stayed silent long enough. I've been in law enforcement for 20 years (not as a first responder) so it has allowed me to view what is happening through two different lenses so here is my take (I will link stat sources in the bottom):

Between 2017 and 2020 3,416 people were shot and killed by law enforcement officials. Approximately 755 of those were black (approx. 22%). Of those 2% were unarmed or had no weapon. That equates to 15 unarmed, black individuals killed by the police over a 4 year period (or approximately 4 a year). Of those I know of at least 6 that made national headlines and were investigated and (in some cases) the officer was charged and/or lost their job. I will have to dig deep to find info on the others. It is an important stat here that is uncomfortable but it is a statistic none-the-less and is not inherently racist. The black population accounts for almost 50% of violent crimes in the US though they represent less than 20% of the overall population. Because of this it stands to reason that the black population actually comes into contact with law enforcement at a higher rate (per capita) than any other race.

On the flip side of that there are over 800,000 active law enforcement officers in the United State today....800,000. I understand that those that have abused their power and made a mockery of the values and codes we hold dear are all over the news but they do NOT represent 99.999% of law enforcement officials. Really. Look at the stats. Let's say that of those 15 unarmed cases that FIVE officers were involved in each incident and they were not justified in that use of force. They would represent .009% of all law enforcement. So all cops are bastards, then? All cops should die? We should defund and dissolve all law enforcement agencies?? Of those 800,000 58,866 were assaulted in 2018 alone with approx. 18,000 sustaining injuries while approximately 163 officers die in the line of duty each year.

The level of stupidity in this country is at an all time high. Minneapolis is talking about dissolving police departments and sending SOCIAL WORKERS and PSYCHOLOGISTS to go to scenes and de-escalate a situation. Good luck finding someone stupid enough to try that. Folks will discover that theory versus application are two very different things. It's very easy to sit in the ivory tower and tell people how things SHOULD be done...it's entirely different in application.

I'm not saying that law enforcement doesn't have room to grow. We need to EVOLVE our police force. We need to stop militarizing our police force to the point we are now and focus more on communication, mental health, and race relations. We need to communicate better with the communities that we serve. This will come down to training and the way hiring is done. I'm not knocking what our military personnel has done for this country but (and this is my opinion) individuals with military experience (especially combat experience) don't need to be on a police force. That entire mindset needs to change.

Also, there MUST be judicial reform. Many things that law enforcement and first responders are blamed for happen at the court setting. Little known fact here...law enforcement has very little to nothing to do with sentencing someone. That happens between prosecutors, defense attorneys, and a judge. Also, I have a big issue with police unions. But that is another matter entirely.

This is all a very complex issue that is being misdirected based on anectodal evidence and not real stats.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/topic-pages/officers-assaulted

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/251877/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-race-ethnicity-and-gender/

https://nleomf.org/facts-figures/law-enforcement-facts


Outstanding post my friend.

[BrunswickDawg]

SO y'all have a county police department, and a sheriff's department? What is the sheriff's department for if not the law enforcement in the county?

Yep, it's not uncommon in GA. The Sheriff is elected, runs the jail, courts, serves warrants, etc. Counties have the "option" to create their own police departments, overseen by the county commission, and they handle typical police duties. It's ridiculous, and typically a vanity and control project for county politicians. we have a community of 90,000, with city police, county police, the sheriff's dept, and the school system police (yeah, that's a thing). Not to mention DNR Law Enforcement, GA State Patrol, Georgia Ports Authority Police, and College of Coastal Georgia Police. Oh - and with the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center here, we have DEA, Customs, NCIS, ATF, Park Police, Boarder Patrol, and Secret Service training here, and living here. We probably have more LEO per capita than any community in America

[Commercecomet24]

It's not just killings that are instances of police brutality. I'm just looking at stats there and that's troubling that we couldn't go two weeks without breaking 500 incidents.

As for the section about black population accounting for 50% of violent crimes and thus coming into contact more with leo. That's a chicken and egg thing, no? Self-fulfilling prophecy somewhat.

Not really, in regards to violent crimes the police are typically called TOO them they aren't there before they happen. In other words, we typically aren't there before the shooting, assault, armed robbery, rape, murder happens they arrive as it's happening or shortly after to pick up the pieces. We have to look at WHY that is and then go from there. It has very little to do with law enforcement and a lot to do with poverty, education, and leadership. That could be addressed many ways.

But your points about growth is correct. We need to defund the military toys (and things that are war crimes) and invest in pay, training, etc. I personally don't think Minneapolis will be successful, but I'm interested to see the results and how this will drive the conversation forward.

I think we can all agree of these 5 things for cops that would make life easier for everyone (cops, poc, white people alike):

1. Require body cameras at all times. (Have someone trained to watching all active cops in the department. Once one feed goes out notify officer immediately. If unable to fix immediately, officer is to return to precinct and be supplied with a new one. Not to engage in any cop-like activities. Arrest with the buddy system to mitigate a person in custody when one camera goes out.)

Most body cameras arent live feed they record and download...and they are expensive. Our department spends about $75k a year on them and we are just a mid-seized department. If you are in pursuit of an individual with a weapon or in the middle of breaking up a dispute you can't just leave to go get a camera and come back later. I mean: guy is running after his wife with a shotgun through the front yard and and you jump out to stop him and your camera falls off or stops working...you just turnaround and leave?? It's going to be VERY tough to use a buddy system when your department is underfunded or DE-funded. Most precincts barely have enough officers to cover a regular shift as it is (that's with one man per beat)...how are you going to afford more police with less money in your budget. Plus...you get rid of qualified immunity then no one in their right minds will be law enforcement anymore anyway. With that said body cameras should be required for all law enforcement but it's going to have to be funded. It's not just the device you are buying but cloud storage forhundreds of thousands of hours of footage and software to parse it all and search it

2. End chokeholds. No neck restraining, period. 100% agree

3. End qualified immunity. You're trained by the law. You shouldn't be able to go outside said bounds without no restriction.

50% disagree. That means if I get in a tussle with a drunk guy that wants to drive home and decides to fight me and he ends up breaking his nose or wrist or whatever...or if I tase him...then he will be able to sue me and also I will have aggravated assault charges leveled against me. Law enforcement officers would be bankrupt or in jail within their first year. I propose QI stands but we appoint a special unit that complaints go directly to at the state level that are triaged by a wide variety of professionals and then appropriate action is taken if warranted. A unit that is dissassociated from the AG's office or any law enforcement agency that is made up of attorneys, social workers, psychologists, use of force experts, investigators, etc. It would be a FULL time job.

4. Stop spending on ridiculous toys, spend on the officers themselves. (The money saved on riot gear, tear gas, swat bullshit is going to more than make up for cameras and training.) 10000000% agree

5. No Han Solo shooting. As a cop, you do not shoot to kill first. You are trained to handle a deadly weapon. You are trained to act under pressure. Shoot to disarm or don't shoot first. Cameras will help tell the story here.

100% disagree You just can't do that. In the heat of the moment when bullets start flying or someone is running at you with a weapon very few people have the type of control to shoot a weapon out of your hand. The second you pull the trigger of a gun you are committing to kill someone. It is a deadly weapon. I've seen people shot in the foot, leg, and arm die within 5 minutes and someone shot in the head live and go home th enext day. Once that projectile enters a body and impacts a bone it can go pretty much anywhere inside of the human body. I can't express enough how wrong you are on this one. Every time I hear this argument I just think someone has watched too much TV and movies. If someone pulls a gun on you you have a second to decide whether or not you want to live the rest of your life. If you want to go home to your family. At the end of the day...don't...pull..a...weapon...on....a...cop... It's a very simple method.

Don't think that this stuff is unreasonable. Would make things go a lot smoother. People wouldn't have to videotape every encounter with a cop. People could feel secure that the cop has a level of oversight that will prevent police brutality. (Again brutality is not limited to death.)

You are correct here and THAT needs to be addressed. Most of the rhetoric seems to focus on death though so that's what I geared my thoughts toward. Again, I have been in law enforcement for 20 years...I have seen our department offer one...ONE...4 hour course on communication and we are probably ahead of the curve on that for most law enforcement agencies. As opposed to our mandatory FIVE TIMES a year training in shooting and fighting. That has to change. You can't sharpen a sword and not expect it to cut. We have to change the way we hire and train.

Bravo, Sir! Well thought out and great stuff!

ETA agreed that shoot to disarm stuff is people watching to much tv.

[Dawgology]

Bravo, Sir! Well thought out and great stuff!

ETA agreed that shoot to disarm stuff is people watching to much tv.

Thank you! I would also like to add a few other recommendations:

1. Mandatory yearly psychological visits for all police personnel with close attention to signs of PTSD. I think that most law enforcement officers struggle with PTSD.

2. Regarding the state unit I recommended there should be a scaled system in which once a certain number of credible complaints are issued per capita on a law enforcement agency it would initiate a thorough audit and internal investigation of the entire department. This would be accomplished by the same team composition (attorneys, social workers, psychologists, use of force experts, investigators, etc) that are unaffiliated with the department. Perhaps even fold some local community leaders into that team once it gets on the ground at the department.

[msstate7]

I find that a little hard to believe based on the fact that there have been some processing plants where a huge percentage of the workforce got it but basically nobody was symptomatic. I guess there could have been one person with mild symptoms somehow circulating it to basically everybody.
That's a good point.

[Commercecomet24]

Thank you! I would also like to add a few other recommendations:

1. Mandatory yearly psychological visits for all police personnel with close attention to signs of PTSD. I think that most law enforcement officers struggle with PTSD.

2. Regarding the state unit I recommended there should be a scaled system in which once a certain number of credible complaints are issued per capita on a law enforcement agency it would initiate a thorough audit and internal investigation of the entire department. This would be accomplished by the same team composition (attorneys, social workers, psychologists, use of force experts, investigators, etc) that are unaffiliated with the department. Perhaps even fold some local community leaders into that team once it gets on the ground at the department.

You've really put a lot of thought into this. From all I've been reading through all this these are by far the best ideas yet. Everybody keeps talking about reform, fixing the "system", yada yada yada, with no realistic ideas being put out other than disband the police depts(which is insane!). These ideas are awesome and and I don't see how anyone(although I'm sure there are some), could argue with this plan. If nothing else would be a great starting point. Thank you for sharing this with us!

[turkish]

Why would a political party want to gut, disband local law enforcement? It’s like there’s a playbook.

[Jack Lambert]

Why would a political party want to gut, disband local law enforcement? It’s like there’s a playbook.

They don't and they will not. They will play lip service to gain points when the time is right. Then do nothing. They have been doing that for ever.

[StateDawg44]

They don't and they will not. They will play lip service to gain points when the time is right. Then do nothing. They have been doing that for ever.

That's just good politicking...***

[Commercecomet24]

They don't and they will not. They will play lip service to gain points when the time is right. Then do nothing. They have been doing that for ever.

Yeah there's a ton of grandstanding going on by politicians right now.

[dantheman4248]

Responding to Dawgology here. For simplicity sake I'll just go by A, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

A. I still think there's somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy in that police are more likely to be called on a POC. Just look at George Floyd versus that other guy who used a fake $20. One is dead and the other has a funny story to tell about the time he tried to use a counterfeit bill. But I think you hit the nail on the head with why the system is really bad. It's poverty. Poor people are ****ed by it. Regardless of color.

1. I think the software to search shouldn't be that hard to maintain, its the hardware and storage that would be the tough part. We have phones that can broadcast to millions of people currently. I find it hard to believe that we can't afford the cameras themselves. I think the spending point gets covered with 4. Something tells me we have way too much of a budget going somewhere that it shouldn't.

2. Not sure if there is anyone left disagreeing with this tbh.

3. Internal Affairs is supposed to be this unit but that hasn't worked in the past. This is honestly the toughest one. Not sure what to make of it, but the simplest strategy to me is ending it and then building from scratch. I think the way it is now is beyond repair. Obviously you wouldn't want officers sued for discharging a taser. So there does have to be middle ground I agree. Where that is and how that is ironed out is for someone more well versed than me to layout.

4. Nothing to add.

5. It's a tough one. But I think there's nothing wrong with aiming and being at the ready to fire. Not saying to not be in position. But de-escalation should be the key. If someone is posing a threat to pull out a gun there's nothing wrong with having it aimed IMO (if you are properly trained.) Once they draw the gun into sight (make a sudden movement for it, etc.) then that's another story. My point is we shouldn't be shooting people however many times the dude with the hammer got shot because we thought he had a gun. You should have visible proof and intent to shoot from the perp to discharge the weapon. Not just a hunch they may pull it on you.

[DownwardDawg]

Why would a political party want to gut, disband local law enforcement? It’s like there’s a playbook.

Haha! Been in their playbook for a very long time. Good call my friend.

[StateDawg44]

Responding to Dawgology here. For simplicity sake I'll just go by A, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

A. I still think there's somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy in that police are more likely to be called on a POC. Just look at George Floyd versus that other guy who used a fake $20. One is dead and the other has a funny story to tell about the time he tried to use a counterfeit bill. But I think you hit the nail on the head with why the system is really bad. It's poverty. Poor people are ****ed by it. Regardless of color.

1. I think the software to search shouldn't be that hard to maintain, its the hardware and storage that would be the tough part. We have phones that can broadcast to millions of people currently. I find it hard to believe that we can't afford the cameras themselves. I think the spending point gets covered with 4. Something tells me we have way too much of a budget going somewhere that it shouldn't.

2. Not sure if there is anyone left disagreeing with this tbh.

3. Internal Affairs is supposed to be this unit but that hasn't worked in the past. This is honestly the toughest one. Not sure what to make of it, but the simplest strategy to me is ending it and then building from scratch. I think the way it is now is beyond repair. Obviously you wouldn't want officers sued for discharging a taser. So there does have to be middle ground I agree. Where that is and how that is ironed out is for someone more well versed than me to layout.

4. Nothing to add.

5. It's a tough one. But I think there's nothing wrong with aiming and being at the ready to fire. Not saying to not be in position. But de-escalation should be the key. If someone is posing a threat to pull out a gun there's nothing wrong with having it aimed IMO (if you are properly trained.) Once they draw the gun into sight (make a sudden movement for it, etc.) then that's another story. My point is we shouldn't be shooting people however many times the dude with the hammer got shot because we thought he had a gun. You should have visible proof and intent to shoot from the perp to discharge the weapon. Not just a hunch they may pull it on you.


Not making up excuses for anyone... but you make it sound so simple when it's just not in real time. Period.

Plenty of people have been shot very prematurely because someone got nervous or trigger happy and unfortunate isn't the word for that. But when it comes to guns if you are pulling it you better be ready to use it. That goes for a police officer or civilian.

If you make sudden moves and reach in a pocket or somewhere else while someone already has a bead on you, I don't know how to help you. Yes it's possible guns should've never been pulled out and pointed in that scenario without trying to de-escalate the situation first, but these are split second life and death decisions. No one should be held above the law, but at the same time if an officer has a gun on me, I'm going to do whatever he says and very slowly. Nothing is worth dying over.

This doesn't solve the problem of fear most of the black community has towards officers but bottomline on your #5 point is if a gun is out don't mess around because it's very likely the person who is drawn on you is jacked on adrenaline and ready to pull the trigger with any sign. If you have a way to channel that you are on another level. Training can only help so much when it comes to live action.

[dantheman4248]

And that's where I think better training and mainly cameras will mitigate a lot of issues there. I think cameras is the biggest thing other than demilitarizing. Cameras make a lot of these situations fall into place and easier to deal with.

[Commercecomet24]

Not making up excuses for anyone... but you make it sound so simple when it's just not in real time. Period.

Plenty of people have been shot very prematurely because someone got nervous or trigger happy and unfortunate isn't the word for that. But when it comes to guns if you are pulling it you better be ready to use it. That goes for a police officer or civilian.

If you make sudden moves and reach in a pocket or somewhere else while someone already has a bead on you, I don't know how to help you. Yes it's possible guns should've never been pulled out and pointed in that scenario without trying to de-escalate the situation first, but these are split second life and death decisions. No one should be held above the law, but at the same time if an officer has a gun on me, I'm going to do whatever he says and very slowly. Nothing is worth dying over.

This doesn't solve the problem of fear most of the black community has towards officers but bottomline on your #5 point is if a gun is out don't mess around because it's very likely the person who is drawn on you is jacked on adrenaline and ready to pull the trigger with any sign. If you have a way to channel that you are on another level. Training can only help so much when it comes to live action.

Very, very well said. Accurate!

[StateDawg44]

And that's where I think better training and mainly cameras will mitigate a lot of issues there. I think cameras is the biggest thing other than demilitarizing. Cameras make a lot of these situations fall into place and easier to deal with.


How do you give better training without tipping towards the military route? You & I agree we need a less militarized police force. Do they need to be psych majors also? Hostage negotiators? Profilers? Even if they were, getting a feel for the situation pulling up in the middle of a heated moment and hearing all sides of it from all sides is nearly impossible for anyone to interpret with 100% accuracy. Especially if there may be a weapon involved & whether you have prior knowledge of that weapon or not. And the fact that you were probably hauling ass to get there and adrenaline is likely taking effect before you even step foot on the ground because of that. And adrenaline is actually usually involved on both sides of this equation. Neither side is seeing things 100% clearly.

I have a feeling that cameras are the farthest thing from the officer's minds when they are in the heat of the moment and the split-second decision of "is he reaching for a weapon?". UNLESS he/she is knowingly doing something wrong and they want to make sure it stays off-camera. A row of people pointing their phones at these officers dealing with George Floyd didn't stop them from doing what they did. Why would something like a camera strapped to their chest stop that group of officers? It may hold some more accountable and save lives so I'm not against them or anything and saving one life is better than nothing. The fear and uncertainty that may cause a suspect or innocent civilian to react is still there whether the officer has a camera on their chest or not.

I agree that cameras would help in certain situations, but I'd be willing to bet that those types of situations would involve more of the "bad apple" type of officers that give all police a bad name like what's going on right now. There is no room for error when it's involving life and death for either side. I'm not arguing against them or anything. I also know you're not saying cameras and training would prevent all of these situations. There is just more going on than most people realize.

[Liverpooldawg]

The number one way to protect yourself from police brutality is don't be a jerk. That is going to escalate any situation, that is HUMAN nature, not just cops. I'm not saying that would stop it all, but it would stop a TON of it.

[dantheman4248]

The problem is you're making this be an absolute. There is no perfect training for every situation. But there can be better training. Dawgology articulated training thoughts a lot better than I could.

As for the cameras, yes they keep the bad apples in line (not all clearly. That's why we need some reform on other things like qualified immunity. How exactly? That's above my pay grade at this point but i think it would be easier to build that up from scratch than patch the current system.) Remember, a few bad apples spoil the bunch.

[StateDawg44]

The problem is you're making this be an absolute. There is no perfect training for every situation. But there can be better training. Dawgology articulated training thoughts a lot better than I could.

As for the cameras, yes they keep the bad apples in line (not all clearly. That's why we need some reform on other things like qualified immunity. How exactly? That's above my pay grade at this point but i think it would be easier to build that up from scratch than patch the current system.) Remember, a few bad apples spoil the bunch.

Are you replying to me?

How have I made it an absolute? The entire point of what I was saying is there is no such thing as an absolute for training when you're dealing with humans and their ability to make their own decisions (right or wrong) and how each and every scenario they encounter is different.

I don't disagree with what you're saying. But training when it comes to guns and split-second decisions is flawed no matter how you approach it. Humans can't and never will be perfect. Not an excuse though. It's just like gun control and the removal of all guns. Take guns away from law-abiding citizens and all it does is make them defenseless. Criminals will still have guns that are stolen or not registered to them. There is no perfect way to do it and I am certainly not advocating for gun control of any sort whatsoever.

How do you prepare or train for "suicide by cop"? I'm not lobbying for higher pay for police or anything but to think a prospect would go through all of that strenuous training and education that would be required PLUS still be risking their lives is hard to imagine for what they are paid.

[Dawgology]

The problem is you're making this be an absolute. There is no perfect training for every situation. But there can be better training. Dawgology articulated training thoughts a lot better than I could.

As for the cameras, yes they keep the bad apples in line (not all clearly. That's why we need some reform on other things like qualified immunity. How exactly? That's above my pay grade at this point but i think it would be easier to build that up from scratch than patch the current system.) Remember, a few bad apples spoil the bunch.

IA is useless. It always has been and it always will be. It's completely biased, non-transparent, and reeks of coverup. It needs to be an unaffiliated group that contains a more complex mixture of individuals than just police officers and investigators. Like a said, a large state unit that triages all complaints on police brutality, investigates, mitigates, and enacts an outside audit and review of a law enforcement agency once a threshold is reached. This would also allow the complaintants personal info and name to be masked form the law enforcement agency if there was a fear of reprisal. Once the review committee got on the ground you could fold in leaders from the community that would convey issues they are seeing at their level with the local LEO and the community.

[Dawgology]

Are you replying to me?

How have I made it an absolute? The entire point of what I was saying is there is no such thing as an absolute for training when you're dealing with humans and their ability to make their own decisions (right or wrong) and how each and every scenario they encounter is different.

I don't disagree with what you're saying. But training when it comes to guns and split-second decisions is flawed no matter how you approach it. Humans can't and never will be perfect. Not an excuse though. It's just like gun control and the removal of all guns. Take guns away from law-abiding citizens and all it does is make them defenseless. Criminals will still have guns that are stolen or not registered to them. There is no perfect way to do it and I am certainly not advocating for gun control of any sort whatsoever.

How do you prepare or train for "suicide by cop"? I'm not lobbying for higher pay for police or anything but to think a prospect would go through all of that strenuous training and education that would be required PLUS still be risking their lives is hard to imagine for what they are paid.

Yeah...officers here start at $14/hr....smh. As long as you employ humans to do police work or any type of enforcement or mitigation you will have the issues and problems that come along with being human. Police officers arent' robots. They have bad days. They have family issues. They have financial stress. Just like everyone else. But they are one of the few positions from which the public expects perfection at all times. It is an impossible standard. The stress is unbelievable. The average age of death for a male police officer is 66 years old. That is almost 25% below the national average. It is due largely to stress impacts on health.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4734369/

This is, again, why I think many officers struggle with PTSD. You pile what's going on nationwide right now to that it gets worse. Imagine literally sacrificing your health and life to try to make the world just a littl ebit better and maybe protect some people only to hear "all cops are dirty" and "all cops should be killed" due to a few idiots who abuse their power.

[StateDawg44]

Yeah...officers here start at $14/hr....smh. As long as you employ humans to do police work or any type of enforcement or mitigation you will have the issues and problems that come along with being human. Police officers arent' robots. They have bad days. They have family issues. They have financial stress. Just like everyone else. But they are one of the few positions from which the public expects perfection at all times. It is an impossible standard. The stress is unbelievable. The average age of death for a male police officer is 66 years old. That is almost 25% below the national average. It is due largely to stress impacts on health.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4734369/

This is, again, why I think many officers struggle with PTSD. You pile what's going on nationwide right now to that it gets worse. Imagine literally sacrificing your health and life to try to make the world just a littl ebit better and maybe protect some people only to hear "all cops are dirty" and "all cops should be killed" due to a few idiots who abuse their power.

And the thing is, the disbanding of departments would take the few idiots off the streets and remove their authority. I guess it would take the immunity part away from them also.

But it's for damn sure that those idiots would be replaced with more idiots 10 times over with no real authority to reel them in.

[Dawgology]

And the thing is, the disbanding of departments would take the few idiots off the streets and remove their authority. I guess it would take the immunity part away from them also.

But it's for damn sure those idiots would be replaced with more idiots 10 times over with no real authority to reel them in.

This is correct. I've heard a few people (albeit the fringe leftist) saying that communities could police themselves. This is a ridiculous statement. The court systems still require burden of proof for crimes. There are also these things called the 5th and 6th Amendment, and a host of legal precedence that dictate what is allowable. I guess if you are willing as a US citizen to give up your 5th and 6th Amendment rights you can just just let communities enact their own justice. Good luck....let's see how that goes.

Folks need to read about why Sir Robert Peel created modern policing in 1829. Don't believe all this garbage that is being floated out by ultra-liberal groups about law enforcement in America. The model was established in 1829 in London and was implemented in the US in 1838 in Boston and it spread from there. It is a clear line of implemenation and has absolutely NOTHING to do with slaves or posse's. That is 100% propaganda.

[Commercecomet24]

This is correct. I've heard a few people (albeit the fringe leftist) saying that communities could police themselves. This is a ridiculous statement. The court systems still require burden of proof for crimes. There are also these things called the 5th and 6th Amendment, and a host of legal precedence that dictate what is allowable. I guess if you are willing as a US citizen to give up your 5th and 6th Amendment rights you can just just let communities enact their own justice. Good luck....let's see how that goes.

Folks need to read about why Sir Robert Peel created modern policing in 1829. Don't believe all this garbage that is being floated out by ultra-liberal groups about law enforcement in America. The model was established in 1829 in London and was implemented in the US in 1838 in Boston and it spread from there. It is a clear line of implemenation and has absolutely NOTHING to do with slaves or posse's. That is 100% propaganda.

You're alright my man! Not enough rep on here for you!

[Liverpooldawg]

The COVID numbers were not good today. The ICU numbers hit an all time high with a big jump over the previous day.

[dantheman4248]

Hard to make a prediction THAT far out. That's trying to project A. our ever changing response and B. multiple months down the road once we can see where the bell curve hits in a country that's not doing near what it should to cull it. Assuming that we do what America / our leadership does, I think our self quarantining will inevitably fail and people will go back to work because they need money. This will cause a bigger spread than most every other country. How that projects out is unclear. It's not unreasonable to see where by the end of the calendar year we've had 10+% of the country infected with it. From that percentage I'd also guesstimate about average death rate. (Which so far looks to be 10% of closed (recovered or dead) cases. I'd adjust that down to at most 5% due to just guestimating that half of the people who want to get tested are turned away.) In fact I think that 10% itself goes down by at least half as we make more progress. So we'll say 2% to be conservative. So taking a conservative shot of 10% infected and 2% death rate, that projects to 650k deaths in America. I'd be predicting more conservatively here, so my final guess would be about 500k deaths in America. But that's a very rough estimate.

Now I could be (and hope) wrong about our response, but we've missed our window to cull this. We've missed it badly. I don't see us going on pause for more than 2 months. It's simply not viable. Not without universal basic income which it seems we have decided to "fix" the initial idea and make it absolutely worse. So yea, another not good signal that we're gonna botch this.

It's crazy. Should have never gotten to this point. Should have shut down the borders earlier and had rigorous testing and quarantining. That can't be forgotten when this is all over. But for now we need to come together and start making smart decisions. Injecting $2k into every american home is a smart decision. Fiddling with it, lowering it, and scaling it to give poor people EVEN LESS is a totally bad idea. How this is even in discussion let alone actually going to happen is beyond comprehension.

3-21-2020 for posterity.

[Jack Lambert]

The COVID numbers were not good today. The ICU numbers hit an all time high with a big jump over the previous day.

You have not heard. No one cares anymore.*****

[Homedawg]

The COVID numbers were not good today. The ICU numbers hit an all time high with a big jump over the previous day.

Good grief dude. Where were our two days ago when hospitalized hit a month low... and no all time high was 172. You and dan the man love to talk about the the bad. Deal w it. It isn't going away.

[dantheman4248]

Good grief dude. Where were our two days ago when hospitalized hit a month low... and no all time high was 172. You and dan the man love to talk about the the bad. Deal w it. It isn't going away.

I deal in reality. Hence my early early EARLY guestimation.

500k deaths by the end of the year (as social distancing gets worse and we lose 1k a day already w/ it it's a reasonable assumption this will be closer than almost anyone else on here.)

America wouldn't handle 2+ months of quarantine. We'd protest for our jobs.

It's almost like when you look at things objectively you can make good guesses. Who ****in knew

[StateDawg44]

I deal in reality. Hence my early early EARLY guestimation.

500k deaths by the end of the year (as social distancing gets worse and we lose 1k a day already w/ it it's a reasonable assumption this will be closer than almost anyone else on here.)

America wouldn't handle 2+ months of quarantine. We'd protest for our jobs.

It's almost like when you look at things objectively you can make good guesses. Who ****in knew

Look at me, look at me. Look what I did.

You so desperately want a pat on the back, don't you?

Congrats????

[dantheman4248]

Look at me, look at me. Look what I did.

You so desperately want a pat on the back, don't you?

Congrats????

Let's see.

Attack me for having a "negative opinion"

Attack me for making a "negative prediction" (when asked).

Attack me for pointing out I'm right.

It seems like it's not about having discourse but about attacking someone who hurt your snowflake feelings. Remember feels =/= reals.

Point was people loved to shit on my "outlandish" opinion and here we are, with me hitting the nail on the head. But we didn't have data then and we didn't have this and we didn't have that and **** you you can't just assume numbers that's not how math works.

Next time when someone gives you educated information, maybe read it and respond in kind. World would be a lot better place.

[StateDawg44]

Let's see.

Attack me for having a "negative opinion"

Attack me for making a "negative prediction" (when asked).

Attack me for pointing out I'm right.

It seems like it's not about having discourse but about attacking someone who hurt your snowflake feelings. Remember feels =/= reals.

Point was people loved to shit on my "outlandish" opinion and here we are, with me hitting the nail on the head. But we didn't have data then and we didn't have this and we didn't have that and **** you you can't just assume numbers that's not how math works.

Next time when someone gives you educated information, maybe read it and respond in kind. World would be a lot better place.


You is smart, you is kind, you is important.

I couldn't care less if what you were predicting was negative or positive. Quit pretending like everything you say or predict comes to fruition or like you are some mastermind.


"Remember feels =/= reals."

The fact that you would even type something like that says all anyone needs to know. I'll just point and laugh at you. And that's beyond ironic you're accusing someone else of being a snowflake. Carry on though.


Your cherry-picked "outlandish" opinion is null and void and totally irrelevant after finding out the virus had been here since November. Whatever makes you feel good though. Your "data" was still wrong because they were well behind it with the numbers being used and still aren't accurate. The fact that they were wrong and their numbers couldn't be accurate, whether they were low or high was all I was saying. You pretend like they are set in stone and without a doubt accurate. They aren't. Period.

Anyone with a brain could predict a virus would spread and we'd reach certain numbers. But again, You is smart, you is kind, you is important. Stroke that ego.

Continue relishing in copying and pasting info. along like you are crunching numbers and enjoying getting to say I told ya so every death toll or infected milestone your "prediction" comes to. Sick, sad, and pathetic.

[Dawgology]

I deal in reality. Hence my early early EARLY guestimation.

500k deaths by the end of the year (as social distancing gets worse and we lose 1k a day already w/ it it's a reasonable assumption this will be closer than almost anyone else on here.)

America wouldn't handle 2+ months of quarantine. We'd protest for our jobs.

It's almost like when you look at things objectively you can make good guesses. Who ****in knew

Are you talking about 500K deaths by the end of the year in America or the world? You understand that (though Mississippi is seeing slight growth due to more testing) that daily cases and deaths are dropping in the US and have been since the end of April. Additionally, worldwide daily case number are growing while daily deaths are dropping. This is a strong indication that the virus is FAR more widespread than anyone thought and far less dealy than anyone thought and treament for the disease has improved.

[dantheman4248]

Are you talking about 500K deaths by the end of the year in America or the world? You understand that (though Mississippi is seeing slight growth due to more testing) that daily cases and deaths are dropping in the US and have been since the end of April. Additionally, worldwide daily case number are growing while daily deaths are dropping. This is a strong indication that the virus is FAR more widespread than anyone thought and far less dealy than anyone thought and treament for the disease has improved.


We're still hitting about 1k deaths a day in the US. As economy ramps up and we have winter to go through this won't just completely disappear. If it does, great! I'll be happy to be wrong about that. But if it doesn't, well...

Hopefully we've learned enough to manage this at the county level going forward. Locking down cities/counties as needed when hospitals get close to capacity. We'll see though.

[Liverpooldawg]

Good grief dude. Where were our two days ago when hospitalized hit a month low... and no all time high was 172. You and dan the man love to talk about the the bad. Deal w it. It isn't going away.

So we were one off of it, one day after hitting record number of new cases in a day. The hospitalized is way up since then too. I wonder why that is? What would that be timed with?

[Jack Lambert]

We're still hitting about 1k deaths a day in the US. As economy ramps up and we have winter to go through this won't just completely disappear. If it does, great! I'll be happy to be wrong about that. But if it doesn't, well...

Hopefully we've learned enough to manage this at the county level going forward. Locking down cities/counties as needed when hospitals get close to capacity. We'll see though.

It will never go away. We will learn to live with it like West Nile and H1N1. People will get it and people will die from it. It's effect will demenish over time.

[Dawgology]

We're still hitting about 1k deaths a day in the US. As economy ramps up and we have winter to go through this won't just completely disappear. If it does, great! I'll be happy to be wrong about that. But if it doesn't, well...

Hopefully we've learned enough to manage this at the county level going forward. Locking down cities/counties as needed when hospitals get close to capacity. We'll see though.

Covid-19 is never going away. It's here to stay. It is already endemic to the population of the world. The best we can hope for is better treatment and hopefully a seasonal vaccine like the flu.

With that said what you are seeing now is the calm AFTER the storm. A new, invasive virus will always hit hard first. This sounds terrible but something like this will kill the weak and susceptible to it first. It will blow up like a wildfire and then dwindle to manageable levels. Read about how the flu started.

The seasonal flu that we have to this day started in 1918. It infected 500 million and killed almost 50 million. Killed over 500,000 in the US. It is still with us today due to mutations. It took 15 years for them to identify the 1918 flu as a virus and an additional 75 years to map it's genome. It still isn't fully understood although seasonal vaccines seem to be mostly effective.

At no point in history did we shut down the US economy to fight the flu even though it is historically just as deadly as Covid-19.

[dparker]

Covid-19 is never going away. It's here to stay.

I don't understand why people keep saying this or heard immunity is the only option. Some countries have it so under control they only have 10's per day. A few countries have eradicated it completely. I don't see why the greatest, richest country in the world shouldn't expect better.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I don't understand why people keep saying this or heard immunity is the only option. Some countries have it so under control they only have 10's per day. A few countries have eradicated it completely. I don't see why the greatest, richest country in the world shouldn't expect better.

Yeah those countries are either well organized, the population is tak8ng it seriously and protecting themselves, or they are so geograpgically isolated they have a built in protection. Which we meet zero of those three criteria points.

We have thousands of people protesting together. We have thousands of people going on vacation together. We have constant discussions about people going to sporting events. We have people not protecting themselves as much as possible literally every way we turn. None of those countries you didn't list have that.

Yes, we are going to have to operate with COVID. Yes we will continue to have new cases come up. This thing is never going away until we either get a vaccine or herd immunity. For the next couple of years, we are going to have deaths. The responsible thing to do is limit as much contact as you can with other people. If you get sick, totally isolate yourself as best you can.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Covid-19 is never going away. It's here to stay. It is already endemic to the population of the world. The best we can hope for is better treatment and hopefully a seasonal vaccine like the flu.

With that said what you are seeing now is the calm AFTER the storm. A new, invasive virus will always hit hard first. This sounds terrible but something like this will kill the weak and susceptible to it first. It will blow up like a wildfire and then dwindle to manageable levels. Read about how the flu started.

The seasonal flu that we have to this day started in 1918. It infected 500 million and killed almost 50 million. Killed over 500,000 in the US. It is still with us today due to mutations. It took 15 years for them to identify the 1918 flu as a virus and an additional 75 years to map it's genome. It still isn't fully understood although seasonal vaccines seem to be mostly effective.

At no point in history did we shut down the US economy to fight the flu even though it is historically just as deadly as Covid-19.

The seasonal flu we have today started way, way, way before 1918. 1918 was when the seasonal flu strain evolved into the H1N1 strain. The H1N1 strain is a bad m17er. The seasonal flu has been around for damn near forever. We have evelved with it over 50 thousand years.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I don't understand why people keep saying this or heard immunity is the only option. Some countries have it so under control they only have 10's per day. A few countries have eradicated it completely. I don't see why the greatest, richest country in the world shouldn't expect better.

If the greatest, richest country in the world was also the smartest and most rational country in the world, we may have a shot. We have 17n dumbasses out there that are fighting wearing mask because it infringes on their rights.

If we all did these very simple things, our numbers would be much lower.
1. Stay away from other people.
2. If you have to go out, stay at a min 6 feet away from other people. 12 ft preferred.
3. Do not have groups larger than 10 people, preferred just do not meet in groups as much as humanly possible.
4. Treat everything as if the guy next to you has it, or you personally have it.
5. Have as much empathy, compassion, and sense of protection for your community as you would for your child living with you is immune suppressed.

Simple. Easy to do. And we would have less deaths and cases overall.

[Johnson85]

I don't understand why people keep saying this or heard immunity is the only option. Some countries have it so under control they only have 10's per day. A few countries have eradicated it completely. I don't see why the greatest, richest country in the world shouldn't expect better.

Because us clamping down to that point would result in harms worse than the disease. If it were easy or even possible to eradicate a particular virus by locking down for a few weeks, we could do it. As economically devastating as that would be in the short term, it would be worth it to knock out corona viruses, flu, etc. Of course it's extremely unlikely we'd every be successful and even if we did, some of the viruses will still have reservoirs in other hosts that will come back eventually.

[Liverpooldawg]

If the greatest, richest country in the world was also the smartest and most rational country in the world, we may have a shot. We have 17n dumbasses out there that are fighting wearing mask because it infringes on their rights.

If we all did these very simple things, our numbers would be much lower.
1. Stay away from other people.
2. If you have to go out, stay at a min 6 feet away from other people. 12 ft preferred.
3. Do not have groups larger than 10 people, preferred just do not meet in groups as much as humanly possible.
4. Treat everything as if the guy next to you has it, or you personally have it.
5. Have as much empathy, compassion, and sense of protection for your community as you would for your child living with you is immune suppressed.

Simple. Easy to do. And we would have less deaths and cases overall.

THIS is absolutely correct. #4 involves everyone wearing a mask too.

[confucius say]

Best I can tell from the bar graph below the hospitalizations chart, there have been 3-5 deaths total in the state, regardless of age, for people who have no underlying conditions. That's pretty good.

Also good that reopening seems to have had no impact on hospitalizations. Less now than on May 20.

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/14,0,420.html

[dparker]

Because us clamping down to that point would result in harms worse than the disease.

Is your hypothesis that the other countries didn't have to make the same choice/trade-off?

[Johnson85]

Is your hypothesis that the other countries didn't have to make the same choice/trade-off?

Is your hypothesis that other counties were similarly situated to us?

[dparker]

Is your hypothesis that other counties were similarly situated to us?

Normalizing per capita and per GDP; Yes. Accounting for heart, ingenuity, and know how; No. I expect us to be way ahead in those last three.

[Johnson85]

Normalizing per capita and per GDP; Yes. Accounting for heart, ingenuity, and know how; No. I expect us to be way ahead in those last three.

Well, that's just a bad hypothesis. Don't know what else to tell you. For example, controlling the international border of Korea is a little different than closing the state border of say Connecticut. Culture also matters, as does past experience.

And of course a lot of these countries that are looking ok right now may still just be shifting the timing of deaths rather than preventing anything.

[Dawgology]

Well, that's just a bad hypothesis. Don't know what else to tell you. For example, controlling the international border of Korea is a little different than closing the state border of say Connecticut. Culture also matters, as does past experience.

And of course a lot of these countries that are looking ok right now may still just be shifting the timing of deaths rather than preventing anything.

Not like you could enforce a border now or a mandatory quarantine with police defunded and dissolved. Guess you could let some social workers and psychologists work those details....

[Dawgology]

The seasonal flu we have today started way, way, way before 1918. 1918 was when the seasonal flu strain evolved into the H1N1 strain. The H1N1 strain is a bad m17er. The seasonal flu has been around for damn near forever. We have evelved with it over 50 thousand years.

I'm sorry but the vaccine you take every year is for H1N1, H3N2, and Influenza B. It is directly related to the 1918 pandemic. It can literally be traced back to 1918.

[Extendedcab]

Not like you could enforce a border now or a mandatory quarantine with police defunded and dissolved. Guess you could let some social workers and psychologists work those details....

Good one!

[msstate7]

Alabama over 1000 cases today. This is their 4th straight day of a record setting case number.

ETA... I think the only way to get through this is herd immunity, so I'm not freaking out over big case numbers. I am worried a little about trivial things like sports though.

[Jack Lambert]

Alabama over 1000 cases today. This is their 4th straight day of a record setting case number.

ETA... I think the only way to get through this is herd immunity, so I'm not freaking out over big case numbers. I am worried a little about trivial things like sports though.

I mentioned earlier in this thread about my older brother. He is 100 pounds overweight. He has prostate cancer that got to his back bone. He has numerous health conditions. He caught the virus and has gotten real sick. He just got released out of the ICU and is in regular room. He is still isolated. They are learning how to treat the sickness when you get it. He never went on ventilator. For all practical reason he should have but he did not thanks to the doctor and nurses who helped him.

[Commercecomet24]

Not like you could enforce a border now or a mandatory quarantine with police defunded and dissolved. Guess you could let some social workers and psychologists work those details....

Rep given!

[confucius say]

Not sure if it's just sucky reporting or what, but our numbers have been really low this weekend. Good stuff

[msstate7]

Not sure if it's just sucky reporting or what, but our numbers have been really low this weekend. Good stuff

They have been.

Unfortunately, I knew personally one of the deaths. He was a Choctaw Indian late 30s/early 40s. Pretty sobering to hear he died of covid19. Not sure if he had any underlying conditions, but he appeared in good health... worked out regularly in gym and maintained a healthy weight. Sad what's happening to the Choctaw Indian tribe here.

[dantheman4248]

They have been.

Unfortunately, I knew personally one of the deaths. He was a Choctaw Indian late 30s/early 40s. Pretty sobering to hear he died of covid19. Not sure if he had any underlying conditions, but he appeared in good health... worked out regularly in gym and maintained a healthy weight. Sad what's happening to the Choctaw Indian tribe here.

Having someone you know personally (in my case now multiple and a hometown church is closed because of it) is very worrying hearing something like this. Really really really don't want to have to bury my cousin because of this stupid disease and our incompetence of initially containing / preventing spread.

[msstate7]

ICU and vents have remained relatively flat from May 24th to June 13th in Mississippi. Our hospitalization rate has gone down from 16.1% a couple weeks ago to 15.5% as of yesterday.

[confucius say]

ICU and vents have remained relatively flat from May 24th to June 13th in Mississippi. Our hospitalization rate has gone down from 16.1% a couple weeks ago to 15.5% as of yesterday.

Well that's good. That's with everything back open too.

[DownwardDawg]

Waiting to go in and get my Covid test right now.

[iPat09]

Waiting to go in and get my Covid test right now.

Good luck. I had mine about a month. Came back negative, but it's because I ended up having something else. Getting the test done is a horrible experience. The second swab brought tears to my eyes. I felt like if I opened my mouth, the nurse would see the swab in my throat.

[DownwardDawg]

Good luck. I had mine about a month. Came back negative, but it's because I ended up having something else. Getting the test done is a horrible experience. The second swab brought tears to my eyes. I felt like if I opened my mouth, the nurse would see the swab in my throat.

Oh man that sucked!!! Horrible experience.

[HoopsDawg]

Oh man that sucked!!! Horrible experience.

why did you get tested?

[DownwardDawg]

why did you get tested?

Work. It’s a requirement now. I work offshore for one of the majors. Gotta get tested before every flight now.

[confucius say]

Oh man that sucked!!! Horrible experience.

I think they can take your blood and test you that way now. Prob would have to pay $50 but might be worth it

[Johnson85]

ICU and vents have remained relatively flat from May 24th to June 13th in Mississippi. Our hospitalization rate has gone down from 16.1% a couple weeks ago to 15.5% as of yesterday.

Our seven day average of new cases has dropped a good bit over the last few days. Could just be noise, but presumably some of the recent growth was due to more testing, in particular at LTC facilities, plus some upward pressure from memorial day so we may see a decent drop now.

Still not sure if we want it to drop too much as it seems like we aren't putting a lot of pressure on most healthcare facilities, and I guess we still will be better off if more rather than fewer people have had it come cold and flu season.

[Mjoelner34]

.......presumably some of the recent growth was due to more testing.....

Not just more testing but I believe I saw on 6pack where someone had an antibody test that came back positive and was told that was getting reported by the state as a positive test too. So, not even all of the increase is from active cases.

[Jack Lambert]

Not just more testing but I believe I saw on 6pack where someone had an antibody test that came back positive and was told that was getting reported by the state as a positive test too. So, not even all of the increase is from active cases.

technically he was positive at one time. So I don't have a problem with that.

[msstate7]

technically he was positive at one time. So I don't have a problem with that.

I don't like it reported on daily new cases. Add it to total cases, recovered.

[DownwardDawg]

I think they can take your blood and test you that way now. Prob would have to pay $50 but might be worth it

We don’t have options. We are sent to one clinic

[Jack Lambert]

I don't like it reported on daily new cases. Add it to total cases, recovered.

That would be good too.

[Johnson85]

Not just more testing but I believe I saw on 6pack where someone had an antibody test that came back positive and was told that was getting reported by the state as a positive test too. So, not even all of the increase is from active cases.

That is correct (or at least was) and Dobbs commented on it. Said that something like 3% of tests were antibody tests so they weren't moving the numbers and that he would look at whether they should keep doing that.

Seems obvious they should be broken out, but not sure how much they're moving the numbers if they are having similarly low positive test rates.

[msstate7]

Looks like the 2-day death total of yesterday and today will be the lowest since March 25-26

[dantheman4248]

If we stop testing ... we won't have any more cases.

[Bert Stare]

If you are wondering why our numbers went from record positive cases to a quick decline:

2 weeks ago, we were testing an avg. of 4.7k tests per day with a 7% positive rate.... Now we are only testing 1.6k per day, but we have increased our positive rate to 20%, which is staggering and one of the highest in the country.

Summary: tater is fudging the numbers by making the requirements for a test stricter and/or harder to get. His bootlicking marching orders from the DC bunker are being carried out.

[msstate7]

If you are wondering why our numbers went from record positive cases to a quick decline:

2 weeks ago, we were testing an avg. of 4.7k tests per day with a 7% positive rate.... Now we are only testing 1.6k per day, but we have increased our positive rate to 20%, which is staggering and one of the highest in the country.

Summary: tater is fudging the numbers by making the requirements for a test stricter and/or harder to get. His bootlicking marching orders from the DC bunker are being carried out.

Last 5 Monday cumulative tests on that day:

June 15: 230,503
June 8: 208,212
June 1: 176,254
May 25: 143,917
May 18: 115,767

https://covidtracking.com/data/state/mississippi

Not sure where you get that 1,600/day at. While testing did drop, icu and vents are staying relatively flat. How do you explain that if there's a cover up of an outbreak?

ETA... the last week, we've tested 22,291. If there were a 20% positive rate, that would be 4,459 new cases this past week.

[Dawgfan77]

Last 5 Monday cumulative tests on that day:

June 15: 230,503
June 8: 208,212
June 1: 176,254
May 25: 143,917
May 18: 115,767

https://covidtracking.com/data/state/mississippi

Not sure where you get that 1,600/day at. While testing did drop, icu and vents are staying relatively flat. How do you explain that if there's a cover up of an outbreak?

ETA... the last week, we've tested 22,291. If there were a 20% positive rate, that would be 4,459 new cases this past week.
Don't bring facts in.... we all know Bert got sources...

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Why is bert not banned? When he came here woth that BS Napier story he said to ban him if he was wrong. Hes obviously a troll

[msstate7]

Researchers say steroid is the first drug proven to improve COVID-19 survival rates

https://www.pix11.com/news/national/coronavirus/researchers-say-steroid-is-the-first-drug-proven-to-improve-covid-19-survival-rates

[Turfdawg67]

The US has very small numbers, soon will be zero and then one day will just disappear... like magic. Probably by April when it warms up. We're doing a great job.

[confucius say]

If you are wondering why our numbers went from record positive cases to a quick decline:

2 weeks ago, we were testing an avg. of 4.7k tests per day with a 7% positive rate.... Now we are only testing 1.6k per day, but we have increased our positive rate to 20%, which is staggering and one of the highest in the country.

Summary: tater is fudging the numbers by making the requirements for a test stricter and/or harder to get. His bootlicking marching orders from the DC bunker are being carried out.

Where are you getting your numbers?

How do you explain the decline in deaths? I think it has more to do with the number of long term care facility outbreaks dropping from 127 to 85.

Is there a link to anyone saying they are being turned away while trying to get a test? PM me if anybody in central ms needs a test and can't get one.

[dparker]

Researchers say steroid is the first drug proven to improve COVID-19 survival rates

https://www.pix11.com/news/national/coronavirus/researchers-say-steroid-is-the-first-drug-proven-to-improve-covid-19-survival-rates

Compared to standard treatment, dexamethasone seemed to reduce the chances of dying by a third for ventilator patients and by a fifth for patients on oxygen.

It still needs to survive peer review but it's a positive development. And the fact that it's cheap and widely available is also good news.

[dantheman4248]

People might be onto the "attribute unrelated death to Covid" with the five different people suiciding by publicly hanging themselves in front of giant public buildings having the Cops saying they are suiciding because of corona. Wonder if they get added to the counter.

Sounds like we need more transparency into cause of death investigations instead of believing they were suicide by corona.

[msstate7]

Texas with 4413 cases today. Their previous high was 2437.

[Homedawg]

Texas with 4413 cases today. Their previous high was 2437.
You know this, but it's not going away... how many hospitalizations? It's just going to run its course...... some won't like that. But is what it is....id love to know the Asymptomatic positives though....

[confucius say]

Texas with 4413 cases today. Their previous high was 2437.

Why does this say 2622 new cases today? Article I googled says same number.
And I couldn't find much on daily deaths in Texas

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/3f048ced32804271aafe8b9640bcb4a7

[msstate7]

You know this, but it's not going away... how many hospitalizations? It's just going to run its course...... some won't like that. But is what it is....id love to know the Asymptomatic positives though....

The only thing I can find on hospitalizations is at covidtracking.com, 2,518 current. The site doesn't have previous hospitalizations though, so that number is pretty worthless.

And you're right, hospitalizations is the number to look it. I don't like big spikes in case numbers though bc I wanna have fans in the stands this fall, and I know big case numbers will spook the ncaa.

32 super dome renovation employees tested positive today.

[msstate7]

Why does this say 2622 new cases today? Article I googled says same number.
And I couldn't find much on daily deaths in Texas

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/3f048ced32804271aafe8b9640bcb4a7

Idk why the numbers are different. Here's where I got 4413...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/

[DownwardDawg]

My test was negative. I’m disappointed. I had to go to work.
Seriously though, my family and I have been traveling from central Mississippi to north Alabama several times over the past couple of months. Eating at restaurants. Interacting with people. Using public restrooms while traveling. Stopping at gas stations all over both states. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been to Lowes and Walmart. Spending money and potentially getting “exposed” to the rona. Nothing. We do wear masks and I carry sanitizer in my pocket so we are at least trying not to catch it but I just thought I would share how much I’ve been in public locations without contacting this thing.

[Johnson85]

Still showing a dropping 7 day average despite a lot of positive cases today:

[SheltonChoked]

My test was negative. I?m disappointed. I had to go to work.
Seriously though, my family and I have been traveling from central Mississippi to north Alabama several times over the past couple of months. Eating at restaurants. Interacting with people. Using public restrooms while traveling. Stopping at gas stations all over both states. I can?t tell you how many times I?ve been to Lowes and Walmart. Spending money and potentially getting ?exposed? to the rona. Nothing. We do wear masks and I carry sanitizer in my pocket so we are at least trying not to catch it but I just thought I would share how much I?ve been in public locations without contacting this thing.

The mask wearing is why https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-masks-study/widespread-mask-wearing-could-prevent-covid-19-second-waves-study-idUSKBN23G37V
Population-wide face mask use could push COVID-19 transmission down to controllable levels for national epidemics, and could prevent further waves of the pandemic disease when combined with lockdowns, according to a British study on Wednesday.

I cannot speak for all of Texas, but here is the best link for the Houston Metro for COVID info..

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/

1,272 new cases yesterday in the Houston Metro, 10% positive test rate, 10% of all hospital beds are Covid, 17% of ICU beds, Projected to exceed ICU capacity in under 2 weeks.

[HoopsDawg]

why does Faucci keep talking about a 2nd wave when this 1st wave seems to be never-ending?

[msstate7]

why does Faucci keep talking about a 2nd wave when this 1st wave seems to be never-ending?

I saw he mentioned October, but more bc COVID would coincide with flu season.

[Liverpooldawg]

The mask wearing is why https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-masks-study/widespread-mask-wearing-could-prevent-covid-19-second-waves-study-idUSKBN23G37V

I cannot speak for all of Texas, but here is the best link for the Houston Metro for COVID info..

https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/

1,272 new cases yesterday in the Houston Metro, 10% positive test rate, 10% of all hospital beds are Covid, 17% of ICU beds, Projected to exceed ICU capacity in under 2 weeks.

I don't know the actual numbers but I did see Texas set a record for COVID hospital cases yesterday. Mask wearing is THE key till we get a vaccine. That is becoming more and more apparent.

[SheltonChoked]

I don't know the actual numbers but I did see Texas set a record for COVID hospital cases yesterday. Mask wearing is THE key till we get a vaccine. That is becoming more and more apparent.
My nearest 2 hospitals were on divert Sunday and Monday due to the rush of cases...

I agree.

It's unfortunate mask wearing became political....

[Liverpooldawg]

My nearest 2 hospitals were on divert Sunday and Monday due to the rush of cases...

I agree.

It's unfortunate mask wearing became political....

I just saw their hospital cases went up 11% today.

[BrunswickDawg]

why does Faucci keep talking about a 2nd wave when this 1st wave seems to be never-ending?

Because the message from the Administration is that we have defeated the silent enemy. Faucci is basically saying its going to get worse then it is now when we hit Fall.

[Johnson85]

why does Faucci keep talking about a 2nd wave when this 1st wave seems to be never-ending?

Because it's reasonably likely that we are seeing fewer cases than we otherwise would because it's summer, and as we enter flu and cold season where weather and/or behavior is more conducive to the spread of respiratory viruses, we could see a wave if there is still a large population susceptible to infection (which there presumably will be based on the current rate, unless we find out that a lot of people have cross immunity from other corona viruses).

[SheltonChoked]

Because it's reasonably likely that we are seeing fewer cases than we otherwise would because it's summer, and as we enter flu and cold season where weather and/or behavior is more conducive to the spread of respiratory viruses, we could see a wave if there is still a large population susceptible to infection (which there presumably will be based on the current rate, unless we find out that a lot of people have cross immunity from other corona viruses).

Historically, other Coronavirus strains are seasonal.

Which is bad news that we are seeing the increase in cases NOW. If that is true, December to February will be very, very bad....

If only there was some inexpensive, can be made at home device that slowed the person to person transmission to a very low rate....***

[Liverpooldawg]

Historically, other Coronavirus strains are seasonal.

Which is bad news that we are seeing the increase in cases NOW. If that is true, December to February will be very, very bad....

If only there was some inexpensive, can be made at home device that slowed the person to person transmission to a very low rate....***

This one has really shown no sign of being seasonal. There was maybe some sign early on but I think that is beginning to look suspect. Now there is no doubt it will be worse when people start congregating inside again in large numbers. That will just be a function of proximity. The hard truth is probably not what most think now. Most seem to think since things are opening back up this is nearly over. The reality is we are probability just getting started.

[msstate7]

Remember the A and O type blood discussion...

https://www.pix11.com/news/national/coronavirus/study-ties-blood-type-to-covid-19-risk-o-may-help-a-hurt

[Johnson85]

This one has really shown no sign of being seasonal. There was maybe some sign early on but I think that is beginning to look suspect. Now there is no doubt it will be worse when people start congregating inside again in large numbers. That will just be a function of proximity. The hard truth is probably not what most think now. Most seem to think since things are opening back up this is nearly over. The reality is we are probability just getting started.

I would think this coronavirus looks seasonal also. We seem to have more or less leveled off nationwide even after mostly opening up and having pretty large demonstrations with people packed pretty close together although granted outside. Unless there are a lot of people with immunity that we don't know about, it seems likely that the number of new infections holding steady is probably at least in part due to seasonality. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

[dawgday166]

Remember the A and O type blood discussion...

https://www.pix11.com/news/national/coronavirus/study-ties-blood-type-to-covid-19-risk-o-may-help-a-hurt

Not a doctor but I read somewhere that a lot of what causes the disease to become critical in someone was severe blood clotting and organ damage from that. If that is the case, that might explain why type O is better blood type to have, since they're free bleeders. Hemophiliacs are mostly if not entirely type O. I'm type O and it takes me about 5 to 10 mins to give blood. Just pours out of me.

BTW ... I had antibody test and came back negative. But then health professionals at hospitals where I live (and I kinda trust them) say the antibody tests so far are pretty unreliable. I have kinda felt that way about the regular tests too ... since percentage of positives vs total tests is so low.

Don't know what I had in Feb but it shore had almost identical symptoms to Covid.

[Extendedcab]

Not a doctor but I read somewhere that a lot of what causes the disease to become critical in someone was severe blood clotting and organ damage from that. If that is the case, that might explain why type O is better blood type to have, since they're free bleeders. Hemophiliacs are mostly if not entirely type O. I'm type O and it takes me about 5 to 10 mins to give blood. Just pours out of me.

BTW ... I had antibody test and came back negative. But then health professionals at hospitals where I live (and I kinda trust them) say the antibody tests so far are pretty unreliable. I have kinda felt that way about the regular tests too ... since percentage of positives vs total tests is so low.

Don't know what I had in Feb but it shore had almost identical symptoms to Covid.

Same here, I just had the antibody test and it also came back negative. I had most all of the typical symptoms, 3-week headache, dry cough, intense muscle aches, shortness of breath, severe tiredness and low grade fever. It took me 45 days to fully recover.

[Liverpooldawg]

I would think this coronavirus looks seasonal also. We seem to have more or less leveled off nationwide even after mostly opening up and having pretty large demonstrations with people packed pretty close together although granted outside. Unless there are a lot of people with immunity that we don't know about, it seems likely that the number of new infections holding steady is probably at least in part due to seasonality. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

If it were seasonal you wouldn't be seeing the big spikes we are now seeing in sunbelt states. We have several states that are about to lose control of it.

[Johnson85]

If it were seasonal you wouldn't be seeing the big spikes we are now seeing in sunbelt states. We have several states that are about to lose control of it.

I don't think a novel virus taking hold in the summer means it's not seasonal. It's effective reproductive number could still be lower in the summer and just have a good number of cases simply because the susceptible population is practically everybody.

[Liverpooldawg]

I don't think a novel virus taking hold in the summer means it's not seasonal. It's effective reproductive number could still be lower in the summer and just have a good number of cases simply because the susceptible population is practically everybody.

It probably will eventually become seasonal, but it's not right now.

[msstate7]

13 longhorns test positive


https://www.chron.com/sports/amp/13-Longhorns-have-now-tested-positive-for-COVID-19-15351699.php

...

These kids will be fine, so I'm certainly not freaking out over this. I do think stories like this are really starting to put CFB this fall in jeopardy. States of Texas, Florida, Alabama, California, Arizona, and NC are experiencing large case numbers right now. We need this to calm down significantly imo if we wanna see football

[HoopsDawg]

13 longhorns test positive


https://www.chron.com/sports/amp/13-Longhorns-have-now-tested-positive-for-COVID-19-15351699.php

...

These kids will be fine, so I'm certainly not freaking out over this. I do think stories like this are really starting to put CFB this fall in jeopardy. States of Texas, Florida, Alabama, California, Arizona, and NC are experiencing large case numbers right now. We need this to calm down significantly imo if we wanna see football

I'm getting worried too. I don't see the purpose in testing asymptomatic players. I really don't. The high schools in MS are taking temps when they get to the field. As long as they don't have a fever or any symptoms, they practice. You know several of them have the virus.

[dawgday166]

13 longhorns test positive


https://www.chron.com/sports/amp/13-Longhorns-have-now-tested-positive-for-COVID-19-15351699.php

...

These kids will be fine, so I'm certainly not freaking out over this. I do think stories like this are really starting to put CFB this fall in jeopardy. States of Texas, Florida, Alabama, California, Arizona, and NC are experiencing large case numbers right now. We need this to calm down significantly imo if we wanna see football

Not too concerned about in shape young athletes cause I think it'd be a fluke for them to develop severe symptoms most likely. But I am concerned about Leach and his staff, especially Leach. Knock on wood but I wanna keep him for a while.

I agree with you tho, I think CFB might be in jeopardy too.

[msstate7]

Brazil with over 50k cases today. That's more than we've had in 1 day. According to worldometers, they've had 1.039 million cases and given only 2.334 million tests. Wow, we have 2.297 million cases, but given 27.333 million tests.

[Mjoelner34]

So, who to believe? The State of Mississippi or the CDC? Per the CDC as of June 19th, Mississippi has had 787 Covid-19 deaths. Per the MSDH website, Mississippi has had 938 Covid-19 deaths 3 days earlier on June 16th.

[Liverpooldawg]

So, who to believe? The State of Mississippi or the CDC? Per the CDC as of June 19th, Mississippi has had 787 Covid-19 deaths. Per the MSDH website, Mississippi has had 938 Covid-19 deaths 3 days earlier on June 16th.

ONE more time: the CDC stuff is always delayed. They wait till they have confirming paperwork to list anything.

[msstate7]

Looks like today will be the lowest death total since March 24th. Deaths continue to fall...

Worldometers' data using 7-day avg

https://i.postimg.cc/KvqHWHGt/C1-F3-C372-9-AB2-4-F03-9492-8-CCE05719518.jpg (https://postimg.cc/3dG149Dw)

Good news

[confucius say]

Looks like today will be the lowest death total since March 24th. Deaths continue to fall...

Worldometers' data using 7-day avg

https://i.postimg.cc/KvqHWHGt/C1-F3-C372-9-AB2-4-F03-9492-8-CCE05719518.jpg (https://postimg.cc/3dG149Dw)

Good news

Yet cases are spiking all over the place. Read the tea leaves people. We should want every one of our players to get this now, test positive for it, and be done with it.

[starkvegasdawg]

Yet cases are spiking all over the place. Read the tea leaves people. We should want every one of our players to get this now, test positive for it, and be done with it.

Except there's no definitive proof that gives you immunity. There have been reports of people catching it twice.

[confucius say]

Except there's no definitive proof that gives you immunity. There have been reports of people catching it twice.

Can you give me a link to those reports please?

And how did the symptoms of the first contraction compare to the second contraction?

ETA: The only link I can found is what's been said numerous times, the story about the sailors. Every article about those sailors, like the one below, explicitly says that it is unknown whether it was a second positive, a relapse, or never fully recovering from the first positive. There is zero evidence of which I'm aware to support a person getting covid and being fine, fully recovering, and then getting covid again and it being worse.

Covid 19 is a coronavirus. No coronavirus in the history of the world has been more than a 12-18 month outbreak that disappeared without a vaccine. Maybe this is the first. But it would be the first.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/sailors-on-sidelined-carrier-get-virus-for-second-time/2272721/%3famp

[Homedawg]

Except there's no definitive proof that gives you immunity. There have been reports of people catching it twice.

There is no evidence to support this.... and none to contradict it either. At this point, just that people might have gotten false positives or negatives etc either way, I repeat for the 100000000th time, this isn't going away and no point in checking up. Sorry for those that disagree.

[Homedawg]

Looks like today will be the lowest death total since March 24th. Deaths continue to fall...

Worldometers' data using 7-day avg

https://i.postimg.cc/KvqHWHGt/C1-F3-C372-9-AB2-4-F03-9492-8-CCE05719518.jpg (https://postimg.cc/3dG149Dw)

Good news

Time to shut back down.... cases spiking .......

[Todd4State]

There is no evidence to support this.... and none to contradict it either. At this point, just that people might have gotten false positives or negatives etc either way, I repeat for the 100000000th time, this isn't going away and no point in checking up. Sorry for those that disagree.

And I still agree. The media is going to make it sound like a death sentence for everyone though.

Honestly, if we're all logical and don't have an agenda here deaths going down and cases going up probably means that we're building immunity and/or that the virus is weakening.

[Commercecomet24]

And I still agree. The media is going to make it sound like a death sentence for everyone though.

Honestly, if we're all logical and don't have an agenda here deaths going down and cases going up probably means that we're building immunity and/or that the virus is weakening.

This.

[starkvegasdawg]

Can you give me a link to those reports please?

And how did the symptoms of the first contraction compare to the second contraction?

ETA: The only link I can found is what's been said numerous times, the story about the sailors. Every article about those sailors, like the one below, explicitly says that it is unknown whether it was a second positive, a relapse, or never fully recovering from the first positive. There is zero evidence of which I'm aware to support a person getting covid and being fine, fully recovering, and then getting covid again and it being worse.

Covid 19 is a coronavirus. No coronavirus in the history of the world has been more than a 12-18 month outbreak that disappeared without a vaccine. Maybe this is the first. But it would be the first.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/sailors-on-sidelined-carrier-get-virus-for-second-time/2272721/%3famp

Here's the most recent one I saw.

[hacker]

And I still agree. The media is going to make it sound like a death sentence for everyone though.

Honestly, if we're all logical and don't have an agenda here deaths going down and cases going up probably means that we're building immunity and/or that the virus is weakening.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbH4zauU4AIB7yX?format=png&name=medium

[msstate7]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbH4zauU4AIB7yX?format=png&name=medium

Yep, just saw this. Explains why deaths are plummeting

[confucius say]

Yep, just saw this. Explains why deaths are plummeting

Yessir. And the minimal mutation that is being seen in the virus may very well be weaker, which explains why people who beat it then come into contact with it again are not suffering. Below article suggests it is weakening and will die out on its on without a vaccine (like every other coronavirus in the history of the world).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/health-science/covid-19-is-weakening-could-die-out-without-vaccine-specialist-claims-632324/amp

[Commercecomet24]

Yessir. And the minimal mutation that is being seen in the virus may very well be weaker, which explains why people who beat it then come into contact with it again are not suffering. Below article suggests it is weakening and will die out on its on without a vaccine (like every other coronavirus in the history of the world).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/health-science/covid-19-is-weakening-could-die-out-without-vaccine-specialist-claims-632324/amp

Be careful you're bordering on heresy lol.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I just wanted to see if I could be the 1st post on page 200.

[confucius say]

Be careful you're bordering on heresy lol.

I know I know.

[Prediction? Pain.]

Yep, just saw this. Explains why deaths are plummeting

If the country's data reflects Florida's, that could be an explanation for the nation's declining daily deaths. But in Florida specifically, is there a correlation? Deaths per day appear to have been relatively stable over the past month or so in Florida despite the dropping median age of those with confirmed cases in that state:

https://i.postimg.cc/Fz33Xsww/Annotation-2020-06-22-144539.png

[Prediction? Pain.]

Can you give me a link to those reports please?

And how did the symptoms of the first contraction compare to the second contraction?

ETA: The only link I can found is what's been said numerous times, the story about the sailors. Every article about those sailors, like the one below, explicitly says that it is unknown whether it was a second positive, a relapse, or never fully recovering from the first positive. There is zero evidence of which I'm aware to support a person getting covid and being fine, fully recovering, and then getting covid again and it being worse.

Covid 19 is a coronavirus. No coronavirus in the history of the world has been more than a 12-18 month outbreak that disappeared without a vaccine. Maybe this is the first. But it would be the first.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/sailors-on-sidelined-carrier-get-virus-for-second-time/2272721/%3famp

This spurred my curiosity and I found a pretty good survey of the landscape from the Journal of the American Medical Association. Here's the link (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2766097). Bummer that it's about a month old, but it's still informative. Here are a couple of the more beefy paragraphs (sans footnotes):


The durability of neutralizing antibodies (NAbs, primarily IgG) against SARS-CoV-2 has yet to be defined; persistence up to 40 days from symptom onset has been described. Duration of antibody responses against other human coronaviruses may be relevant in this context. For example, following infection with SARS-CoV-1 (the virus that caused SARS), concentrations of IgG remained high for approximately 4 to 5 months before subsequently declining slowly during the next 2 to 3 years. Similarly, NAbs following infection with MERS-CoV (the virus that caused Middle East respiratory syndrome) have persisted up to 34 months in recovered patients.

Detection of IgG and NAbs is not synonymous with durable immunity. With regard to COVID-19, a small, nonpeer-reviewed, preprint report provides the only data thus far on possible postinfection immunity in primates. In this study, 4 rhesus macaques were infected with SARS-CoV-2, and following recovery did not become reinfected when rechallenged with the same virus 28 days after the first inoculation. Whether persons can be reinfected with SARS-CoV-1 and MERS-CoV is unknown; SARS has not reemerged since 2004 and MERS cases remain sporadic. Reinfections can occur with at least 3 of the other 4 common human coronaviruses -- specifically, 229E, NL63, and OC43 -- all of which generally cause milder respiratory illnesses. The reasons for this reinfection are not fully known, but evidence suggests that possibilities include both short-lived protective immunity and reexposure to genetically distinct forms of the same viral strain.

When you're talking about other coronaviruses disappearing, are you referring to other novel coronaviruses like the ones that produced MERS and SARS? I'm not well versed in this stuff -- and by that I mean I pretty much know jack -- but that article references "3 of the other 4 common human coronaviruses" where reinfections occur, whether due to "short-lived immunity" or "genetically distinct" strains.

[DownwardDawg]

Hey

[DownwardDawg]

I just wanted to see if I could be the 1st post on page 200.

Nm

[confucius say]

This spurred my curiosity and I found a pretty good survey of the landscape from the Journal of the American Medical Association. Here's the link (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2766097). Bummer that it's about a month old, but it's still informative. Here are a couple of the more beefy paragraphs (sans footnotes):



When you're talking about other coronaviruses disappearing, are you referring to other novel coronaviruses like the ones that produced MERS and SARS? I'm not well versed in this stuff -- and by that I mean I pretty much know jack -- but that article references "3 of the other 4 common human coronaviruses" where reinfections occur, whether due to "short-lived immunity" or "genetically distinct" strains.

Correct. There are about 40 known coronaviruses from what I understand. Only 7 have been human coronaviruses, meaning have infected humans.

Of those 7, four (oc43, 229e, nl63, and hku1) are considered "old" viruses that most believe have been around for centuries and can still cause colds in humans.

The other three (sars, mers, and sars 2/covid 19) are considered "new" viruses and cause pandemics.

[msstate7]

If the country's data reflects Florida's, that could be an explanation for the nation's declining daily deaths. But in Florida specifically, is there a correlation? Deaths per day appear to have been relatively stable over the past month or so in Florida despite the dropping median age of those with confirmed cases in that state:

https://i.postimg.cc/Fz33Xsww/Annotation-2020-06-22-144539.png

Not sure. The last part of your graph saw a really big increase in cases though with deaths remaining the same or maybe slightly dropping.

[starkvegasdawg]

MS dept of health finally releases new numbers. Last five days 1,640 new cases and 40 new deaths. Those are enough of spike our numbers back up after several days of them dropping.

[Homedawg]

That's a five day avg of 328. And 8 deaths. About where we've been for a while.

[Liverpooldawg]

I'm seeing that some areas of the state are out of ICU beds.

[confucius say]

That's a five day avg of 328. And 8 deaths. About where we've been for a while.

And it was actually 38 deaths for the record. 2 of the 40 were from early June or late May.

35 of the 40, or 87.5 percent, reported deaths were over 50 years old. So far, 93% of deaths are over 50. And 85 % over 60 years old.

[Homedawg]

I'm seeing that some areas of the state are out of ICU beds.

Maybe so. But our icu's haven't done much of a spike....statewide that is...

[hacker]

Been a while since I posted a Sweden vs Norway update

https://i.imgur.com/u9ZcFgZ.png

[msstate7]

Been a while since I posted a Sweden vs Norway update

https://i.imgur.com/u9ZcFgZ.png

Sweden not looking so hot. I am interested in what happens when Denmark and Norway open borders up.

[Dawgology]

I'm of the opinion that if America could actually close down state borders like the EU can with country borders then our stats would closely resemble the EU's. Imagine if the EU countries couldn't close their own borders and restrict travel. Their numbers would look exactly like the USA's.

[Johnson85]

Been a while since I posted a Sweden vs Norway update

https://i.imgur.com/u9ZcFgZ.png

I still am expecting those numbers to equalize just b/c I'm not sure what else they can do over time, but I suspect the Swedish health minister or whatever they call the position is sweating.

[msstate7]

I still am expecting those numbers to equalize just b/c I'm not sure what else they can do over time, but I suspect the Swedish health minister or whatever they call the position is sweating.

Maybe the press backs him, and he can be praised no matter what like cuomo

[hacker]

Trump says he wasn't joking about slowing down testing. I haven't checked this thread in about a month, y'all still defending him?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-slow-down-testing-coronavirus-i-dont-kid/

[Gutter Cobreh]

Trump says he wasn't joking about slowing down testing. I haven't checked this thread in about a month, y'all still defending him?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-slow-down-testing-coronavirus-i-dont-kid/

Wow!

Using Trump logic, without a test - the virus must not exist. It makes me wonder that if my wife and I had skipped taking pregnancy tests, would our children have ever been born?

[Joebob]

Wow!

Using Trump logic, without a test - the virus must not exist. It makes me wonder that if my wife and I had skipped taking pregnancy tests, would our children have ever been born?

As someone recently said, if you never weigh yourself, your weight never goes up.

[Gutter Cobreh]

As someone recently said, if you never weigh yourself, your weight never goes up.

I like it! In keeping it with the POTUS' philosophy, how can you perceive me as overweight when I've reduced the times I've stepped on the scale?

It's all about perception; health be damned!

[hacker]

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[msstate7]

1275535677871001603

That's very concerning. Here's the article...

https://www.wlox.com/2020/06/23/dr-dobbs-msdh-speaks-public-after-over-cases-announced/?outputType=amp

...

If this doesn't happen, I'm all on board for replacing him. The fall is still 3 months away, so not sure how he can predict that with certainty.

[msstate7]

Oregon county issues face mask order that exempts non-white people

https://www.bing.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/06/23/oregon-county-issues-face-mask-order-exempting-non-white-people/amp/

[msstate7]

https://i.postimg.cc/7Zd62kN2/2-FC5-CA67-3304-441-C-B692-A7-E4-E23-C8-E90.jpg (https://postimg.cc/PCbhg09X)

https://twitter.com/dc_draino/status/1275137156944728068?s=21

[DownwardDawg]

Oregon county issues face mask order that exempts non-white people

https://www.bing.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/06/23/oregon-county-issues-face-mask-order-exempting-non-white-people/amp/

Haha. Brilliant form of racism. Trying to kill off the black population by making it look like they’re protecting them. Very cunning.