The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

[msstate7]

I'm not saying hospitals are doing this or not, but this article says a woman's COVID treatments was $34,927.43. That times 87 is over 3 million dollars, so hardly insignificant

https://time.com/5806312/coronavirus-treatment-cost/

[confucius say]

So you're saying that an increased hospitalization of 87 patients statewide between April 15th - May 1st is enough evidence for you to claim that all hospitals are admitting to increase revenue? Also, vents and ICUs are relatively flat during that time frame.

As has already been stated, there is a good chance nursing homes or long term care locations may be referring residents to hospitals to remove them from their situation and to get better care. This care doesn't have to be an ICU or a vent, but a hospital has more resources. It couldn't be that though could it; it has to be that hospitals are greedy and need the revenue.

I'm sure the reimbursement of 87 COVID patients will ensure that all the hospitals in MS will stay liquid....

87? It's a 121 increase since April 15, and a 214 increase since April 12. Which is nearly double what it was on April 12.

And I'm not saying that hospitals are gaming the system. What I am saying is you could make that argument given the fact that admissions have nearly doubled despite vents and icu staying the same or going down. Right or wrong, That makes it look like people are being admitted now who a month ago would not have been admitted (i.e., hospitals have relaxed the level of sickness required to be admitted).

But yes, hospitals are greedy and do need the revenue and those extra 214 reimbursements at a 20% higher rate than normal absolutely could prevent some employees from being laid off.

[Commercecomet24]

87? It's a 121 increase since April 15, and a 214 increase since April 12. Which is nearly double what it was on April 12.

And I'm not saying that hospitals are gaming the system. What I am saying is you could make that argument given the fact that admissions have nearly doubled despite vents and icu staying the same or going down. Right or wrong, That makes it look like people are being admitted now who a month ago would not have been admitted (i.e., hospitals have relaxed the level of sickness required to be admitted).

But yes, hospitals are greedy and do need the revenue and those extra 214 reimbursements at a 20% higher rate than normal absolutely could prevent some employees from being laid off.

Good post. I'm not saying there's anything nefarious going on. I deal with hospitals, home health agencies and hospices in 8 states and I know how this works. Hospitals admins right now are trying to keep staff and stay in business so they CAN help people. Just because they may be admitting positive covid patients with less severe symptoms than before doesn't mean they're doing anything wrong, they're treating people who are sick. This isn't a conspiracy theory and the people I know and deal with are not trying to "cheat the system" they're trying to treat the sick AND pay the bills.

[Gutter Cobreh]

I'm not saying hospitals are doing this or not, but this article says a woman's COVID treatments was $34,927.43. That times 87 is over 3 million dollars, so hardly insignificant

UMMC's revenues for FY 18 were $1.097 BILLION!

https://www.umc.edu/Comptroller/files/GASB%20Financial%20Statements/2018-GASB-Financial-Report_Master_03-11-19-Final-Version.pdf

With all due respect, $3 million is a drop in the bucket when you're talking about the combined revenues for all the hospitals in the state of MS.

Admitting COVID patients isn't a scam by hospitals to increase revenues.

[Gutter Cobreh]

87? It's a 121 increase since April 15, and a 214 increase since April 12. Which is nearly double what it was on April 12.

And I'm not saying that hospitals are gaming the system. What I am saying is you could make that argument given the fact that admissions have nearly doubled despite vents and icu staying the same or going down. Right or wrong, That makes it look like people are being admitted now who a month ago would not have been admitted (i.e., hospitals have relaxed the level of sickness required to be admitted).

But yes, hospitals are greedy and do need the revenue and those extra 214 reimbursements at a 20% higher rate than normal absolutely could prevent some employees from being laid off.

May 1st - 424; April 15th - 337 : Net difference 87.

You're also saying that all things are equal during this time frame. We all know testing has somewhat improved. You would have to look and see if one organization was admitting at a higher rate than others, but remember - we're talking about the entire state of MS here! MS isn't known for having the best population health to begin with so it would make more sense that if COVID truly spread throughout the state at a higher rate, due to the underlying conditions of a majority of the population, hospitals would be admitting more.

Yes, hospitals are in the business of making money. I just don't think you realize the squeeze reimbursement from the government and insurance providers place on hospitals. It isn't like the old days when hospitals were making money hand over fist; as these days insurance companies and the government are paying less for the same care previously provided.

[Todd4State]

I hate to tell you guys this but you just can't admit someone to the hospital just because you want to. Not if you want to get paid.

I mean- yeah. The patients show up on their own. Hospitals don't have to convince people to show up.

[msstate7]

UMMC's revenues for FY 18 were $1.097 BILLION!

https://www.umc.edu/Comptroller/files/GASB%20Financial%20Statements/2018-GASB-Financial-Report_Master_03-11-19-Final-Version.pdf

With all due respect, $3 million is a drop in the bucket when you're talking about the combined revenues for all the hospitals in the state of MS.

Admitting COVID patients isn't a scam by hospitals to increase revenues.

Sorry, didn't realize all the hospitalizations were at ummc. I thought some would be at the neshoba general, Wayne general, and laird's of the world. My bad

ETA... you think cutting out all elective surgeries cut into hospital revenue?

[msstate7]

Tennessee hospitals running out of money due to lack of patients

https://amp.tennessean.com/amp/3044866001

[Commercecomet24]

Tennessee hospitals running out of money due to lack of patients

https://amp.tennessean.com/amp/3044866001

Yes they are, I have accounts all over Tennessee and some are on the verge of having to shutdown completely.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Sorry, didn't realize all the hospitalizations were at ummc. I thought some would be at the neshoba general, Wayne general, and laird's of the world. My bad

ETA... you think cutting out all elective surgeries cut into hospital revenue?

I was using UMMC to illustrate the minimal amount being debated here. Total revenues for all MS hospitals was reported at $34.5 billion, so $3 million is minuscule.

https://www.ahd.com/states/hospital_MS.html

To answer your question, yes - elective surgeries and outpatient procedures are where these systems are getting hammered financially. Admitting COVID patients isn't a drop in the bucket to what they're losing each month against what they had budgeted.

The problem is that people aren't just going to flood hospitals to get that elective surgery when restrictions ease. It's a shame because you aren't going to pick up COVID just by being in the hospital, but people's perceptions and confidence are easily swayed.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Tennessee hospitals running out of money due to lack of patients

https://amp.tennessean.com/amp/3044866001

Article behind a paywall. Were the hospitals referenced rural hospitals?

[confucius say]

May 1st - 424; April 15th - 337 : Net difference 87.

You're also saying that all things are equal during this time frame. We all know testing has somewhat improved. You would have to look and see if one organization was admitting at a higher rate than others, but remember - we're talking about the entire state of MS here! MS isn't known for having the best population health to begin with so it would make more sense that if COVID truly spread throughout the state at a higher rate, due to the underlying conditions of a majority of the population, hospitals would be admitting more.

Yes, hospitals are in the business of making money. I just don't think you realize the squeeze reimbursement from the government and insurance providers place on hospitals. It isn't like the old days when hospitals were making money hand over fist; as these days insurance companies and the government are paying less for the same care previously provided.

Why May 1st? The chart gives you May 2nd - 458.

[Liverpooldawg]

87? It's a 121 increase since April 15, and a 214 increase since April 12. Which is nearly double what it was on April 12.

And I'm not saying that hospitals are gaming the system. What I am saying is you could make that argument given the fact that admissions have nearly doubled despite vents and icu staying the same or going down. Right or wrong, That makes it look like people are being admitted now who a month ago would not have been admitted (i.e., hospitals have relaxed the level of sickness required to be admitted).

But yes, hospitals are greedy and do need the revenue and those extra 214 reimbursements at a 20% higher rate than normal absolutely could prevent some employees from being laid off.

The real reason the ICU and vent stats aren't going up as much is that vents are not being used as much or as quick. Now. There is some hint that vents can make things worse.

[Liverpooldawg]

I mean- yeah. The patients show up on their own. Hospitals don't have to convince people to show up.

What I meant was there are criterispa that have to be met to admit someone. Docs can't do it because they feel like it.

[msstate7]

Article behind a paywall. Were the hospitals referenced rural hospitals?

Sorry, I read about half the article at first, but apparently wasn't paying that much attention. I can't access the article now. Maybe someone will read it for both of us now and copy/paste it. Pretty sure it was widespread for the whole state though

[confucius say]

The real reason the ICU and vent stats aren't going up as much is that vents are not being used as much or as quick. Now. There is some hint that vents can make things worse.

That is true.

But the icu numbers not rising along with the hospitalization numbers tells me either a treatment is working to prevent those hospitalized from ending up in the icu at the same rate as a month ago, or less severe patients are being admitted now than were a month ago (which is fine and makes sense considering hospitals were empty and lying folks off).

[confucius say]

Why May 1st? The chart gives you May 2nd - 458.

And I get times have changed. But hospitals are still making a crap ton of money. You talk about Ummc. They pay their ceo, Cook, 800k a year. They ok

[Gutter Cobreh]

Why May 1st? The chart gives you May 2nd - 458.

When I accessed the site earlier, May 2nd hadn't posted. Regardless, when looking statewide the numbers are insignificant to the topic that hospitals were admitting more to boost their revenues. Point still stands that when looking at nearly 10k staffed beds statewide, close to 500 inpatients are irrelevant.


And I get times have changed. But hospitals are still making a crap ton of money. You talk about Ummc. They pay their ceo, Cook, 800k a year. They ok

Not going to debate you here as I agree. Top salaries definitely skewed heavily at the top, but hospitals get a bad rap when insurance and government reimbursement tends to get a pass. There is enough waste within the entire system to cut costs.

[Cooterpoot]

Where is your data to show this? I'd be interested in seeing where you see hospitalizations increasing.

The hospitals I deal with had their highest number of COVID patients last week. They've also stopped using the "requirements" of fever etc. to allow testing. Patients are tested and have results same day in some cases.

[Cooterpoot]

No talk about the supposed reduction in COVID 19 deaths by the CDC? Admittedly I haven't looked at it, but see it's being talked about a lot. Only 37,000 deaths? Surely someone screwed that up???

[msstate7]

No talk about the supposed reduction in COVID 19 deaths by the CDC? Admittedly I haven't looked at it, but see it's being talked about a lot. Only 37,000 deaths? Surely someone screwed that up???

Explain please. Are you saying the number is maybe being reduced?

[DownwardDawg]

The hospitals I deal with had their highest number of COVID patients last week. They've also stopped using the "requirements" of fever etc. to allow testing. Patients are tested and have results same day in some cases.

Results are back in less than an hour at 1 hospital in Hattiesburg. I’m still skeptical on all these damn tests though.

[Dawgfan77]

Explain please. Are you saying the number is maybe being reduced?
It's like I was saying a week ago and got blasted on here. The number of COVID 19 deaths are inflated because they are coding anyone that dies as covid in some states. Under the CARES Act hospital get a high percentage from Medicaid for covid patient and covid deaths. This is legit however it has added to the death numbers nationwide and created fear. Like I said before explain how death are down in heart attacks stroke and other diseases.

[confucius say]

Explain please. Are you saying the number is maybe being reduced?

It may be that the cdc numbers just lag behind the Johns hopKins numbers. I'm not sure.

[Cooterpoot]

It's like I was saying a week ago and got blasted on here. The number of COVID 19 deaths are inflated because they are coding anyone that dies as covid in some states. Under the CARES Act hospital get a high percentage from Medicaid for covid patient and covid deaths. This is legit however it has added to the death numbers nationwide and created fear. Like I said before explain how death are down in heart attacks stroke and other diseases.

Hospitals in general are not doing that. I'm not saying in NY, but in MS we've not been doing it.

[Cooterpoot]

Explain please. Are you saying the number is maybe being reduced?

No idea. I just saw an article and a couple social media things. It's probably nothing but they CDC chart shows like 37,000 deaths through May 1st, not the 67,000 we've been seeing in the media. Again, I just caught a glance. Figured some of the conspiracy guys were all over it.

[Prediction? Pain.]

No idea. I just saw an article and a couple social media things. It's probably nothing but they CDC chart shows like 37,000 deaths through May 1st, not the 67,000 we've been seeing in the media. Again, I just caught a glance. Figured some of the conspiracy guys were all over it.

The CDC's number is a "Provisional Death Count." Here's the link (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm) to the CDC page with those stats and here's how the CDC defines "provisional" mortality statistics and how it explains for the difference between the "provisional" numbers and those reported elsewhere:


The provisional counts for coronavirus disease (COVID-19) deaths are based on a current flow of mortality data in the National Vital Statistics System. National provisional counts include deaths occurring within the 50 states and the District of Columbia that have been received and coded as of the date specified. It is important to note that it can take several weeks for death records to be submitted to National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), processed, coded, and tabulated. Therefore, the data shown on this page may be incomplete, and will likely not include all deaths that occurred during a given time period, especially for the more recent time periods. Death counts for earlier weeks are continually revised and may increase or decrease as new and updated death certificate data are received from the states by NCHS. COVID-19 death counts shown here may differ from other published sources, as data currently are lagged by an average of 1?2 weeks.

The CDC's "provisional" death count for the United States as of May 1 was 37,308.

Here's a link (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality) to Johns Hopkins' page about COVID 19 mortality rates in the USA and abroad. Statistics for total deaths and mortality rates (as measured by the percentage of confirmed cases that end in death) for the USA and many other countries, complete with scatter plots and graphs, are included.

Johns Hopkins' death count for the United States as of May 3 was 67,682.

[Liverpooldawg]

No idea. I just saw an article and a couple social media things. It's probably nothing but they CDC chart shows like 37,000 deaths through May 1st, not the 67,000 we've been seeing in the media. Again, I just caught a glance. Figured some of the conspiracy guys were all over it.

The CDC lags way behind. THEY have to confirm a positive before they count it.

[Dawgfan77]

Hospitals in general are not doing that. I'm not saying in NY, but in MS we've not been doing it.

I don't know either on MS. However that was BS Friday stating we had 20 deaths when 11 where back counted. The numbers like that are what's adds fuel to the overeating crowds

[msstate7]

On the 397 new cases today, doesn't there seem to be one day a week where there a good bit more cases than the others? Do we happen to get outside testing numbers once a week or something?

Yep, outside numbers were reported in a lump.

[confucius say]

Yep, outside numbers were reported in a lump.

Well Tate and his people need to know, bc he was on Fox News yesterday saying we saw a spike in cases the day before at 397 and deaths at 20. In actuality, the 397 included the weekly lump outside numbers and 11 of the 20 deaths were from late March-early April.

[msstate7]

Well Tate and his people need to know, bc he was on Fox News yesterday saying we saw a spike in cases the day before at 397 and deaths at 20. In actuality, the 397 included the weekly lump outside numbers and 11 of the 20 deaths were from late March-early April.

Wow. I say it was a lump (outside testing) bc I just heard that on radio, but that could be wrong.

[confucius say]

Wow. I say it was a lump (outside testing) bc I just heard that on radio, but that could be wrong.

I know the deaths were from late March to mid April. I'm not sure the outside lump numbers are reported weekly though, that's just what my understanding is.

[Cooterpoot]

Well Tate and his people need to know, bc he was on Fox News yesterday saying we saw a spike in cases the day before at 397 and deaths at 20. In actuality, the 397 included the weekly lump outside numbers and 11 of the 20 deaths were from late March-early April.

Tot came out with a statement today that they had a large number of out of state tests come in at once.

[msstate7]

Tot came out with a statement today that they had a large number of out of state tests come in at once.

That's really pitiful that the damn governor didn't know this Friday. Seems like someone must have hid that very relevant fact to stay locked down a little longer

[confucius say]

That's really pitiful that the damn governor didn't know this Friday. Seems like someone must have hid that very relevant fact to stay locked down a little longer

Well UMMC and luann Woodward are our championing it today, saying we've not hit our peak as evidenced by the weekend's numbers.

[Liverpooldawg]

That's really pitiful that the damn governor didn't know this Friday. Seems like someone must have hid that very relevant fact to stay locked down a little longer

Ugh, it doesn't matter if they came in a lump or not, that's still a lot of newly discovered cases.

[Dawgology]

Ugh, it doesn't matter if they came in a lump or not, that's still a lot of newly discovered cases.

It is but if they are from late March to mid-April then they need to be adjusted to those time periods and not reported as something that occurred in the past 2-3 days. That is manipulative reporting of facts.

[Liverpooldawg]

It is but if they are from late March to mid-April then they need to be adjusted to those time periods and not reported as something that occurred in the past 2-3 days. That is manipulative reporting of facts.

They were recent. Just tests that went to out of state labs. Today wasn't a great day either.

[hacker]

IHME updated again, this time a little more realistic

https://i.imgur.com/dXhRc0K.jpg

[msstate7]

IHME updated again, this time a little more realistic

https://i.imgur.com/dXhRc0K.jpg

They're gonna be right in the end no matter what, aren't they? 2 million to 60k to 134k

[Cooterpoot]

That's really pitiful that the damn governor didn't know this Friday. Seems like someone must have hid that very relevant fact to stay locked down a little longer

MDH is to blame. And they do indeed suck! Nobody is using them with testing. They can't even get simple numbers correct. And it's a shame, because Dobbs is a good guy.

[Commercecomet24]

MDH is to blame. And they do indeed suck! Nobody is using them with testing. They can't even get simple numbers correct. And it's a shame, because Dobbs is a good guy.

Yeah Dr Dobbs is an excellent physician and good man. MDH has struggled with this since the get go.

[hacker]

They're gonna be right in the end no matter what, aren't they? 2 million to 60k to 134k

Show me where IHME projected 2 million.

Y'all sure did love this model when it unrealistically dropped to 60k. Hmm

[msstate7]

Show me where IHME projected 2 million.

Y'all sure did love this model when it unrealistically dropped to 60k. Hmm

Damn, sorry... it was a lot more than 60k, but dropped. I liked it bc it was hopeful. Sorry, I didn't want this to be so tragic.

[BeardoMSU]

Damn, sorry... it was a lot more than 60k, but dropped. I liked it bc it was hopeful. Sorry, I didn't want this to be so tragic.

C'mon, 7. Obviously everyone wants to be hopeful. That's a flawed argument here; it's about being realistic, and most importantly, being prepared for realistic projections.

[hacker]

Damn, sorry. I liked it bc it was hopeful. Sorry, I didn't want this to be so tragic.

Fair enough, I understand wanting to have hope.

But I want to be realistic because a lot of people still aren't taking it seriously, which leads to more dead people in the end.

[dparker]

IHME updated again, this time a little more realistic

https://i.imgur.com/dXhRc0K.jpg

I saw a pretty good explainer on this model the other day. It talks about how the model was developed. One of the big issues that I know you've been pointing out was that they were just fitting the data to a Gaussian curve which is why it kept unrealistically dropping to zero. As opposed to what more sophisticated models were doing modeling population spread more realistically but with much higher uncertainty.

Worth a read.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/5/2/21241261/coronavirus-modeling-us-deaths-ihme-pandemic

[defiantdog]

Parks and restaurants opening to half capacity in MS..... have fun with that.

[hacker]

Also just wanted to add, this model assumes our social distancing continues at the same rate.

[hacker]

One of the big issues that I know you've been pointing out was that they were just fitting the data to a Gaussian curve which is why it kept unrealistically dropping to zero.

Yeah. And it looks like they've addressed that issue in the latest update, which is a big reason why the numbers are drastically higher now.

[confucius say]

Do y'all think MS will have 782 covid deaths or more? I say that number bc that is how many flu deaths we had in 2017 (couldn't find 2018 or 2019 stats). And yes, I know covid is more contagious than the flu, I'm just saying from total death numbers, will we lose more people to covid than the flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/mississippi/mississippi.htm

[Homedawg]

Also just wanted to add, this model assumes our social distancing continues at the same rate.

Social distancing slows deaths. Doesn't stop them. I've seen no evidence that says social distancing is a way to stop it. Tell me how I'm wrong.

[Homedawg]

Do y'all think MS will have 782 covid deaths or more? I say that number bc that is how many flu deaths we had in 2017 (couldn't find 2018 or 2019 stats). And yes, I know covid is more contagious than the flu, I'm just saying from total death numbers, will we lose more people to covid than the flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/mississippi/mississippi.htm

Yeah. We will before it's over. Now in what time frame I don't know.

[msstate7]

Do y'all think MS will have 782 covid deaths or more? I say that number bc that is how many flu deaths we had in 2017 (couldn't find 2018 or 2019 stats). And yes, I know covid is more contagious than the flu, I'm just saying from total death numbers, will we lose more people to covid than the flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/mississippi/mississippi.htm

For the whole year, 2020, I say yeah. Seems there would be no doubt though considering covid19 is considered much more deadly and there's no vaccine like with the flu

[dawgday166]

For the whole year, 2020, I say yeah. Seems there would be no doubt though considering covid19 is considered much more deadly and there's no vaccine like with the flu

Is this a positive or negative post. Gotta stay negative dude ***

[Commercecomet24]

Social distancing slows deaths. Doesn't stop them. I've seen no evidence that says social distancing is a way to stop it. Tell me how I'm wrong.

Yeah it elongates the curve, doesn't stop it.

[Homedawg]

Yeah it elongates the curve, doesn't stop it.

That's what I thought... yet let's hang on to a disaster to make it longer. Suicide rate for 20 and beyond going to be through the roof.

[Liverpooldawg]

Do y'all think MS will have 782 covid deaths or more? I say that number bc that is how many flu deaths we had in 2017 (couldn't find 2018 or 2019 stats). And yes, I know covid is more contagious than the flu, I'm just saying from total death numbers, will we lose more people to covid than the flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/mississippi/mississippi.htm

It will be way more than that.

[Homedawg]

It will be way more than that.

For the year i Agree it will be more. How much who knows. 40% of all MS deaths are LTC facilities. While tragic, some of those would have died anyway. Sad but true.

[Jack Lambert]

Social distancing slows deaths. Doesn't stop them. I've seen no evidence that says social distancing is a way to stop it. Tell me how I'm wrong.

I am going out to eat. I don't believe shit anymore. This whole thing has been politize. Every media out lets finds doctors who give data based on they way they want. It is all bullshit! I will not live in fear and I will not be used by people who hate Trump.

[dantheman4248]

Social distancing slows deaths. Doesn't stop them. I've seen no evidence that says social distancing is a way to stop it. Tell me how I'm wrong.

People who can't go to the hospital to get treated have a higher death rate. If it spreads too much that it overwhelms the hospital then people that wouldn't have fired before start dying. (Not enough ventilators, etc.) Thats the real key here.

[Dawgfan77]

Again we don't know the death rate because numbers are inflated due to hospitals coding deaths as covid regardless of they are or not. Currently hospitals are not overwhelmed and other than NY at first their have been very few hospitals that are overwhelmed. Also, vents are in sufficient supply mainly due to three things. One less patients going on vents, two some dr. are now saying vents dint help , and three treatments are working and keeping them off vents. Over 4400 MS people have recovered already
As far as more cases. More testing =more cases. Some symptomatic some asymptomatic. Look it's here and we have to understand that and it sucks but their is not going to be a cure. We have to start moving on.

[Homedawg]

People who can't go to the hospital to get treated have a higher death rate. If it spreads too much that it overwhelms the hospital then people that wouldn't have fired before start dying. (Not enough ventilators, etc.) Thats the real key here.

We are 2 months in. Scott county has an positive for over 1% of the county. So let's assume they means 10%. So to keep the curve "flat" we are suppose to stay locked up for another 18 months. Sure. It's not possible. There would be nothing to come out to. But maybe socialism will pay for it.... smdh...

[StateDawg44]

People who can't go to the hospital to get treated have a higher death rate. If it spreads too much that it overwhelms the hospital then people that wouldn't have fired before start dying. (Not enough ventilators, etc.) Thats the real key here.

And why exactly can't they go to the hospital to get treated?

[Commercecomet24]

We are 2 months in. Scott county has an positive for over 1% of the county. So let's assume they means 10%. So to keep the curve "flat" we are suppose to stay locked up for another 18 months. Sure. It's not possible. There would be nothing to come out to. But maybe socialism will pay for it.... smdh...

Exactly.

[smootness]

Again we don't know the death rate because numbers are inflated due to hospitals coding deaths as covid regardless of they are or not.

It looks like deaths are actually being undercounted. 'Excess deaths,' or the number of deaths in excess of what is typical for this period of time, are going up pretty much everywhere at a higher number than the official COVID death count.

I agree, though, that we can't lockdown forever. We just can't. The system can't support it, which is exactly why Sweden did what they're doing.

[Extendedcab]

And why exactly can't they go to the hospital to get treated?

And isn't there spare capacity in the hospitals now - according to previous (recent) post in this thread?

[Dawgfan77]

It looks like deaths are actually being undercounted. 'Excess deaths,' or the number of deaths in excess of what is typical for this period of time, are going up pretty much everywhere at a higher number than the official COVID death count.

I agree, though, that we can't lockdown forever. We just can't. The system can't support it, which is exactly why Sweden did what they're doing.

Not flaming just help me understand what your saying. Reason I ask this is that the cares act is allowing non covid deaths to be classified as covid deaths without test. Also some states are back counting as far back as feb as total covid deaths. So a patient dies of heart attack or cancer they can and in some states have coded those as covid. Also people during this pandemic that die at home from stroke or other diseases they are classified as covid. This is all legal and hospitals get more money from Medicaid if patients are classified as covid

[defiantdog]

Hospitals are not overrun with covid patients. No one is running out of ventilators. The majority of people with covid don't even go to the hospital. The virus sucks, it lingers, And it leaves you with a stupid cough. But it's not killing the entire world like some of you **** heads are assuming.

[Commercecomet24]

Hospitals are not overrun with covid patients. No one is running out of ventilators. The majority of people with covid don't even go to the hospital. The virus sucks, it lingers, And it leaves you with a stupid cough. But it's not killing the entire world like some of you **** heads are assuming.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to defiantdog again.

[KOdawg1]

I'm over it all. Like some have said, whatever people decide to do, I'm fine with it. This entire thing has been politicized on both sides, and the majority of Americans are sick of it.

[Political Hack]

Do y'all think MS will have 782 covid deaths or more? I say that number bc that is how many flu deaths we had in 2017 (couldn't find 2018 or 2019 stats). And yes, I know covid is more contagious than the flu, I'm just saying from total death numbers, will we lose more people to covid than the flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/mississippi/mississippi.htm

How many would we have lost with 2 months of social distancing? Apples to apples friend. Can't do that here. COVID is WAY more deadly than flu. However, death is becoming the only stat FoxNews cares about. Infections interrupt economic prosperity too. Sick families. Forced quarantine for weeks impacts businesses. We've seen what happens when meat processing plants get it. What happens when it runs its course through the oil supply chain? Energy production? Food supply chain? You think the economy works then? Death is not the only meaningful statistic here.

[turkish]

We can see the goalposts moving before our eyes.

[dawgday166]

Hospitals are not overrun with covid patients. No one is running out of ventilators. The majority of people with covid don't even go to the hospital. The virus sucks, it lingers, And it leaves you with a stupid cough. But it's not killing the entire world like some of you **** heads are assuming.

Here comes hacker **

[Extendedcab]

Hospitals are not overrun with covid patients. No one is running out of ventilators. The majority of people with covid don't even go to the hospital. The virus sucks, it lingers, And it leaves you with a stupid cough. But it's not killing the entire world like some of you **** heads are assuming.

Agree! Like Defiantdog, I had a mild case - self quarantined at home. It took me 45 days to get over my stupid cough!!

[msstate7]

We can see the goalposts moving before our eyes.

I think there are a few groups:
1. Ready to open... damn the consequences
2. Ready to open bc we really have no choice
3. Want to stay closed out of fear/concern
4. Want to stay closed bc they're lazy and getting $600 federal and state unemployment on top of that.
5. Want to stay closed to help Biden in November

[Dawgology]

I think there are a few groups:
1. Ready to open... damn the consequences
2. Ready to open bc we really have no choice
3. Want to stay closed out of fear/concern
4. Want to stay closed bc they're lazy and getting $600 federal and state unemployment on top of that.
5. Want to stay closed to help Biden in November

These tend to be the loudest groups.

[msstate7]

https://i.postimg.cc/pVJJz5Dx/35-F10089-6-BE6-41-B9-A8-B3-9-B9-CFC1-C7-C43.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Cdd8V1P6)

^^^ this really sucks. Lots of people about to lose grandparents, uncles, aunts, etc.

[starkvegasdawg]

https://i.postimg.cc/pVJJz5Dx/35-F10089-6-BE6-41-B9-A8-B3-9-B9-CFC1-C7-C43.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Cdd8V1P6)

^^^ this really sucks. Lots of people about to lose grandparents, uncles, aunts, etc.

And if you look at the trend, we have not peaked yet. I was hopeful a couple weeks ago we may have hit the top of the curve, but we haven't. People in icu also spiked but ventilator patients are at least staying flat.

[Liverpooldawg]

https://i.postimg.cc/pVJJz5Dx/35-F10089-6-BE6-41-B9-A8-B3-9-B9-CFC1-C7-C43.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Cdd8V1P6)

^^^ this really sucks. Lots of people about to lose grandparents, uncles, aunts, etc.

Those numbers are bad anyway you look at it; Hospital numbers jumped too. We are seeing our worst numbers so far in most stats yet we are opening up. It is going to be really ugly in about two weeks.

[msstate7]

Saw an interesting question on Facebook floating around...

If masks make us safe, why not open completely? If the answer is masks don't make us safe, why wear them?

[msstate7]

And if you look at the trend, we have not peaked yet. I was hopeful a couple weeks ago we may have hit the top of the curve, but we haven't. People in icu also spiked but ventilator patients are at least staying flat.

Do you have the tests per day/week data? It would be interesting if cases are rising with more testing, less testing, or the same amount

[Homedawg]

Those numbers are bad anyway you look at it; Hospital numbers jumped too. We are seeing our worst numbers so far in most stats yet we are opening up. It is going to be really ugly in about two weeks.

Hospitalizations are pretty flat since april 27, icu has been flat for a month .

[Homedawg]

And if you look at the trend, we have not peaked yet. I was hopeful a couple weeks ago we may have hit the top of the curve, but we haven't. People in icu also spiked but ventilator patients are at least staying flat.

on april 10th there were 167 in icu, The lowest it ever got was 135. Icu has been up and down for a solid month w yesterday being 162. So your spike comment is not telling the truth.

[Dawgfan77]

Ask them how they counted deaths and how far back that number goes ....

[yjnkdawg]

Saw an interesting question on Facebook floating around...

If masks make us safe, why not open completely? If the answer is masks don't make us safe, why wear them?


The wearing of masks is a joint effort. If you wear a mask, then hopefully it protects someone from you in case you have the virus, and then vice versa. It doesn't work with some wearing masks and others not wearing masks, and we all know, from public observation, that everybody is not wearing or is going to wear a mask. Wearing a mask shows that you are concerned for the health and well being of others, but it does not protect you from others who are not wearing a mask (hasn't been proven yet).

[msstate7]

Anyone gonna get the antibody test? I saw fast paces are offering it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if I have had it... I was in NYC in December and nola (mardi gras) in feb.

[msstate7]

The wearing of masks is a joint effort. If you wear a mask, then hopefully it protects someone from you in case you have the virus, and then vice versa. It doesn't work with some wearing masks and others not wearing masks, and we all know, from public observation, that everybody is not wearing or is going to wear a mask.

Businesses here in philly are requiring it. You aren't getting in Walmart or Lowe's without it

[yjnkdawg]

Businesses here in philly are requiring it. You aren't getting in Walmart or Lowe's without it

I think that is a good policy. I hope no customers get bent out of shape over the requirement and do something stupid.

[StateDawg44]

I think that is a good policy. I hope no customers get bent out of shape over the requirement and do something stupid.

The Home Depot here in Chattanooga was limiting store occupancy. 1 in 1 out like a bar pretty much.

Had a guy get in line to get in behind me that was hounding a worker helping direct people about it. All about an outdoor rug.

He started complaining about how he should've just ordered it online repetitively. Finally, someone blurted out "Then go order it online and get out of this line"

Guess he got the point after that because he shut up. Dude deserved to be punched in the face and sent to the back of the line again.

[KOdawg1]

I think there are a few groups:
1. Ready to open... damn the consequences
2. Ready to open bc we really have no choice
3. Want to stay closed out of fear/concern
4. Want to stay closed bc they're lazy and getting $600 federal and state unemployment on top of that.
5. Want to stay closed to help Biden in November

Spot. On.

Groups 1, 4, and 5 are the idiots you see all over social media

[starkvegasdawg]

on april 10th there were 167 in icu, The lowest it ever got was 135. Icu has been up and down for a solid month w yesterday being 162. So your spike comment is not telling the truth.

The last three days was 142, 142, and 144. Today it is 162. That's plus 18. Will it continue to go up or back down. I don't know. But +18 in 24 hours is a sharp increase...otherwise known as a spike.

[Homedawg]

The last three days was 142, 142, and 144. Today it is 162. That's plus 18. Will it continue to go up or back down. I don't know. But +18 in 24 hours is a sharp increase...otherwise known as a spike.

Funny you left off the days prior to that. IF you are going to use info and use words like spike then just shoot the people straight. On april 10 167, it trends down slightly until April 21 it went 162. Then trickled back down until april 27 back to 162. On April 30 back to 160. THen the 3 days you mention 142 142 144 162. So, while 162 would be a spike from the previous 3 days it isn't a spike over the last month. It's been a yo-yo all along. But continue to put everything in a negative light for your readers.

[confucius say]

How many would we have lost with 2 months of social distancing? Apples to apples friend. Can't do that here. COVID is WAY more deadly than flu. However, death is becoming the only stat FoxNews cares about. Infections interrupt economic prosperity too. Sick families. Forced quarantine for weeks impacts businesses. We've seen what happens when meat processing plants get it. What happens when it runs its course through the oil supply chain? Energy production? Food supply chain? You think the economy works then? Death is not the only meaningful statistic here.

I think you mean without social distancing, not with. If so, I think the number of deaths with or without social distancing will be roughly the same. They will be more spread out with social distancing, but I've seen no evidence, nor anyone claim, that social distancing will largely decrease the total number of deaths.

ETA: and yes, I agree covid is more deadly than the flu. Just not sure how much yet.

[Homedawg]

I think you mean without social distancing, not with. If so, I think the number of deaths with or without social distancing will be roughly the same. They will be more spread out with social distancing, but I've seen no evidence, nor anyone claim, that social distancing will largely decrease the total number of deaths.

ETA: and yes, I agree covid is more deadly than the flu. Just not sure how much yet.

Correct. On all counts.

[Commercecomet24]

I think you mean without social distancing, not with. If so, I think the number of deaths with or without social distancing will be roughly the same. They will be more spread out with social distancing, but I've seen no evidence, nor anyone claim, that social distancing will largely decrease the total number of deaths.

ETA: and yes, I agree covid is more deadly than the flu. Just not sure how much yet.

This. We're just elongating the curve not suppressing the virus.

[confucius say]

This. We're just elongating the curve not suppressing the virus.

It seems like the reopening question then should at least in large part be based on when are we confident that reopening won't oversaturate hospitals. That was the reason given for sheltering in the first place.

I think you make masks mandatory and let's roll. Do any of you know anyone who got covid after wearing a mask religiously for at least two weeks prior to showing symptoms? Bc I don't.

[Johnson85]

Those numbers are bad anyway you look at it; Hospital numbers jumped too. We are seeing our worst numbers so far in most stats yet we are opening up. It is going to be really ugly in about two weeks.

The hospital numbers aren't moving up yet, at least not substantially. A net 4 increase in hospitalizations from the day before is I think .6 percent. Not as good as a decrease but probably in the noise.

[Cooterpoot]

Ask them how they counted deaths and how far back that number goes ....

The coroner validates each death. If they tested positive, it's COVID. If not, it's COVID if they "believe" it's COVID. Was covered in the governors presser today.
With that said, I know of two specific situations where patients tested positive but were not declared COVID deaths by the hospital. Both actually died from kidney failure.

[Commercecomet24]

The coroner validates each death. If they tested positive, it's COVID. If not, it's COVID if they "believe" it's COVID. Was covered in the governors presser today.

Yep, this.

[State82]

Do any of you know anyone who got covid after wearing a mask religiously for at least two weeks prior to showing symptoms? Bc I don't.

I don't know anyone who even contracted it, period.

[Liverpooldawg]

The hospital numbers aren't moving up yet, at least not substantially. A net 4 increase in hospitalizations from the day before is I think .6 percent. Not as good as a decrease but probably in the noise.

I thought it was up over 40 today. I must have misread it.

[Liverpooldawg]

I don't know anyone who even contracted it, period.

I know several, including some who have died. Hard not to here.

[confucius say]

I know several, including some who have died. Hard not to here.

Do you know if they were they religious mask wearers at least 14 days prior to showing symptoms?

[Extendedcab]

I don't know anyone who even contracted it, period.

Defiantdog and myself contracted it. See previous posts for more information.

[defiantdog]

Do you know if they were they religious mask wearers at least 14 days prior to showing symptoms?
My doc said it could be in your system up to 20 days before you show any symptoms. We determined that I most likely got it on a flight coming back from Louisville in early March. So no..... I wasn't wearing a mask at all at that point.

[State82]

I know several, including some who have died. Hard not to here.

I realize that. I said I didn't KNOW anyone personally that had contracted the virus. And I do not KNOW anyone that has had it. Sincerely hope and pray that anyone that has had it recovers fully, but that was not the statement I made.

[Jack Lambert]

I don't know anyone who even contracted it, period.

I'm sure you do. You just don't know anyone who tested positive for it. I truly believe a whole lot of people has or has had it and just don't know it.

[DownwardDawg]

A friend of mine has a cousin that has it. Him and his wife both have it. I don’t know them personally though.

[dantheman4248]

Again we don't know the death rate because numbers are inflated due to hospitals coding deaths as covid regardless of they are or not. Currently hospitals are not overwhelmed and other than NY at first their have been very few hospitals that are overwhelmed. Also, vents are in sufficient supply mainly due to three things. One less patients going on vents, two some dr. are now saying vents dint help , and three treatments are working and keeping them off vents. Over 4400 MS people have recovered already
As far as more cases. More testing =more cases. Some symptomatic some asymptomatic. Look it's here and we have to understand that and it sucks but their is not going to be a cure. We have to start moving on.

We should be mass producing tests. Protest that, not just that you miss being whipped by daddy capitalism. The only reason they are pushing to stop having to pay unemployment and such. Follow the money. It's funny, we're a month in and how many people are really going starving because of this? Almost like we do have the capability to not force workers into multiple shitty jobs just to survive. Really makes you think (or in a lot on this thread's case, put your head in the sand.)


We are 2 months in. Scott county has an positive for over 1% of the county. So let's assume they means 10%. So to keep the curve "flat" we are suppose to stay locked up for another 18 months. Sure. It's not possible. There would be nothing to come out to. But maybe socialism will pay for it.... smdh...

You're arguing like it's an extreme measure that I said I want. I simply gave you a reason why you were wrong about social distancing and you took it somewhere else. The reason for social distancing was always to slow spread and prevent the hospitals from being overrun. In the beginning we could have prevented a lot of deaths by being out front of this, but our glorious leader lead us down this path instead, praise be.


And why exactly can't they go to the hospital to get treated?

What part of "If it spreads to much then it overwhelms the hospital" didn't make sense to you? The part where you had to read, the part where you had to open your eyes, or the part where you had to pull your head out of your ass?

I mean really what a ****ing stupid post. I really don't care about your feelings anymore. That was stupid.


And isn't there spare capacity in the hospitals now - according to previous (recent) post in this thread?

And tweedle dee right behind him. Can read the bible but can't be bothered to understand 3 sentences on a message board though. But by Yahweh he'll give his Holy Opinion (trademarked).

[dantheman4248]

It evident how selfish some of you are that you can't think past your own face. Here's something to put it in perspective for you twats.

We've lost more people to corona than Korea. We've lost more people to corona than Nam. WW1, WW2, and Civil War are the only wars with a higher death count. And we're knocking on the door of WW1.

I want you to go tell everyone of the 70,000+ people's family that the virus isn't that bad, just a cough. Or alternatively, go tell an Iraqi/Afghan War veteran that the war wasn't that bad its only 1/10 as deadly as a mild cough, they should get over acting like they are some hero. They died to something that was 10% of a mild cough. Weaklings.

That's how ignorant you sound. If my post makes you mad, it should. It should make you mad you sound that stupid.

[Dawgcap]

It evident how selfish some of you are that you can't think past your own face. Here's something to put it in perspective for you twats.

We've lost more people to corona than Korea. We've lost more people to corona than Nam. WW1, WW2, and Civil War are the only wars with a higher death count. And we're knocking on the door of WW1.

I want you to go tell everyone of the 70,000+ people's family that the virus isn't that bad, just a cough. Or alternatively, go tell an Iraqi/Afghan War veteran that the war wasn't that bad its only 1/10 as deadly as a mild cough, they should get over acting like they are some hero. They died to something that was 10% of a mild cough. Weaklings.

That's how ignorant you sound. If my post makes you mad, it should. It should make you mad you sound that stupid.
You have an issue expecting others to provide your safety to keep you safe? What do you expect from many who have to provide to you to keep you safe and others? Their lives expendable? See the problem is we have a major health crisis but we have a large amount of the population who will be ok if they become sick. We also have an economy that must continue to keep this country strong. So again who should die for you and who shouldn?t?

[Dawgcap]

Should garbage trucks stop? Grocery and convince stores close?

[confucius say]

It evident how selfish some of you are that you can't think past your own face. Here's something to put it in perspective for you twats.

We've lost more people to corona than Korea. We've lost more people to corona than Nam. WW1, WW2, and Civil War are the only wars with a higher death count. And we're knocking on the door of WW1.

I want you to go tell everyone of the 70,000+ people's family that the virus isn't that bad, just a cough. Or alternatively, go tell an Iraqi/Afghan War veteran that the war wasn't that bad its only 1/10 as deadly as a mild cough, they should get over acting like they are some hero. They died to something that was 10% of a mild cough. Weaklings.

That's how ignorant you sound. If my post makes you mad, it should. It should make you mad you sound that stupid.

Dan is comparing a global pandemic to a war y'all. Damn.

Speaking of wars, 625k in the U.S. died from the Spanish flu 100 years ago (equivalent of 2 million today) and we still managed to fight world war 1 then and, gasp, attend football games. Geez we are soft today.

[Todd4State]

Dan is comparing a global pandemic to a war y'all. Damn.

Speaking of wars, 625k in the U.S. died from the Spanish flu 100 years ago (equivalent of 2 million today) and we still managed to fight world war 1 then and, gasp, attend football games. Geez we are soft today.

Yeah. Shelter in place then meant get down in your trench.

Now we have people shaming people for going to the grocery store.

[Commercecomet24]

Yeah. Shelter in place then meant get down in your trench.

Now we have people shaming people for going to the grocery store.

Yes one of these things is not like the other.

[dantheman4248]

You have an issue expecting others to provide your safety to keep you safe? What do you expect from many who have to provide to you to keep you safe and others? Their lives expendable? See the problem is we have a major health crisis but we have a large amount of the population who will be ok if they become sick. We also have an economy that must continue to keep this country strong. So again who should die for you and who shouldn?t?

muh economy must continue to be strong. we must keep producing. we must hit our target or it goes tits up.

i'm an "essential" employee too. Don't know where your rant was going. My beef is with the elite rich brainwashing people to be against each other. protest them, not me.

Also it's amazing how far reaching you idiots are. Garbage trucks? where the **** did I say stop anything more? Seriously, you people are why Mississippi has the reputation it does. You're showing we have earned the reputation of being people who can't read. Plenty of you keep making that self evident.

So we're gonna play a game:

Dawgcap - I said nothing about shutting more essential workers down. You're completely off topic. Your post is bad. F-
Confucius - Good job. Yes I did compare those. But calling people soft because they don't want millions to die is kinda my point of how stupid some of you sound. "Back in my day we didn't give a damn if a kid died, we still kept shooting that arrow into the sky and beating up the ***** who ducked out first." D-
Todd-" Boomers were tougher" No Todd, they were stupider. F-

[Dawgcap]

Yes one of these things is not like the other.

Or garbage pick up and disposal, sewer, water electricity. No need to mention fuel cause he stays home. Don?t get me started on farmers, loggers and every other bad ass that goes to work everyday and struggles to make ends meet.
Then he should laugh at the poor fools who invested in restaurants, flooring, clothing stores. What idiots and to think we should have our hair cut or God forbid someone going to the baseball field with their kids. Nails, tattoos. Screw them. They don?t matter either. I can go on.
I love this country, I love the opportunities and no one deserves what is going on right now but I can honestly say I?ll never judge or look down at anyone being essential. We all are essential but Dan can only justify who should die based on his basic needs

[Commercecomet24]

Or garbage pick up and disposal, sewer, water electricity. No need to mention fuel cause he stays home. Don?t get me started on farmers, loggers and every other bad ass that goes to work everyday and struggles to make ends meet.
Then he should laugh at the poor fools who invested in restaurants, flooring, clothing stores. What idiots and to think we should have our hair cut or God forbid someone going to the baseball field with their kids. Nails, tattoos. Screw them. They don?t matter either. I can go on.
I love this country, I love the opportunities and no one deserves what is going on right now but I can honestly say I?ll never judge or look down at anyone being essential. We all are essential but Dan can only justify who should die based on his basic needs

Very well said, sir!

[Dawgcap]

muh economy must continue to be strong. we must keep producing. we must hit our target or it goes tits up.

i'm an "essential" employee too. Don't know where your rant was going. My beef is with the elite rich brainwashing people to be against each other. protest them, not me.

Also it's amazing how far reaching you idiots are. Garbage trucks? where the **** did I say stop anything more? Seriously, you people are why Mississippi has the reputation it does. You're showing we have earned the reputation of being people who can't read. Plenty of you keep making that self evident.

So we're gonna play a game:

Dawgcap - I said nothing about shutting more essential workers down. You're completely off topic. Your post is bad. F-
Confucius - Good job. Yes I did compare those. But calling people soft because they don't want millions to die is kinda my point of how stupid some of you sound. "Back in my day we didn't give a damn if a kid died, we still kept shooting that arrow into the sky and beating up the ***** who ducked out first." D-
Todd-" Boomers were tougher" No Todd, they were stupider. F-
I pray you aren?t a teacher because anyone with sense is screwed. Funny thing is I pray you aren?t a professor, well a TA. I?ve read your diatribes and your answers are ridiculous but remember who at the end of the day takes care of you. While I?m at it when is the last time you showed any kind of respect to anyone in your world while calling yourself essential? Bet that?s not happening because you have issues with the lower class you claim to defend

[Dawgcap]

Very well said, sir!
Im a North Ms guy but my daughter is marrying a coast guy. That is where you are from?

[dawgday166]

Starting to think dano makes AOC seem semi-sane **

ETA: now I need to get back to telling Gun why The Babe and Joe Cool are the greatest evah.

[Dawgcap]

I?ll shut up for the night. It?s late. I agree with Dan that we will lose too many lives with this disease. But we know how to limit it. While he wants to quarantine everyone I just want us to be cautious and respect and love the most at risk. Separate and love these at risk by being the greatest country ever! To be honest I?m good not being within 6 feet of any of y?all!! Hail State! I?m going to make a difference tomorrow and everyday!

[dantheman4248]

Or garbage pick up and disposal, sewer, water electricity. No need to mention fuel cause he stays home. Don?t get me started on farmers, loggers and every other bad ass that goes to work everyday and struggles to make ends meet.
Then he should laugh at the poor fools who invested in restaurants, flooring, clothing stores. What idiots and to think we should have our hair cut or God forbid someone going to the baseball field with their kids. Nails, tattoos. Screw them. They don?t matter either. I can go on.
I love this country, I love the opportunities and no one deserves what is going on right now but I can honestly say I?ll never judge or look down at anyone being essential. We all are essential but Dan can only justify who should die based on his basic needs

I love how you've made me your boogeyman. I've said none of these things tonight, merely stated why homedawg was wrong and you keep building men of straw. F-

See you next year. Maybe one day you'll make it to 4th grade.

[Dawgcap]

If you are teaching I?ll skip to 5th. No need for the hate. I just don?t agree. It?s good. I?ll give you a C. Just don?t want you grading or teaching anyone I know! Hail State!

[confucius say]

muh economy must continue to be strong. we must keep producing. we must hit our target or it goes tits up.

i'm an "essential" employee too. Don't know where your rant was going. My beef is with the elite rich brainwashing people to be against each other. protest them, not me.

Also it's amazing how far reaching you idiots are. Garbage trucks? where the **** did I say stop anything more? Seriously, you people are why Mississippi has the reputation it does. You're showing we have earned the reputation of being people who can't read. Plenty of you keep making that self evident.

So we're gonna play a game:

Dawgcap - I said nothing about shutting more essential workers down. You're completely off topic. Your post is bad. F-
Confucius - Good job. Yes I did compare those. But calling people soft because they don't want millions to die is kinda my point of how stupid some of you sound. "Back in my day we didn't give a damn if a kid died, we still kept shooting that arrow into the sky and beating up the ***** who ducked out first." D-
Todd-" Boomers were tougher" No Todd, they were stupider. F-

I passed! D- baby!

[Commercecomet24]

Im a North Ms guy but my daughter is marrying a coast guy. That is where you are from?

I live in the free state of Jones lol.

[Extendedcab]

We should be mass producing tests. Protest that, not just that you miss being whipped by daddy capitalism. The only reason they are pushing to stop having to pay unemployment and such. Follow the money. It's funny, we're a month in and how many people are really going starving because of this? Almost like we do have the capability to not force workers into multiple shitty jobs just to survive. Really makes you think (or in a lot on this thread's case, put your head in the sand.)



You're arguing like it's an extreme measure that I said I want. I simply gave you a reason why you were wrong about social distancing and you took it somewhere else. The reason for social distancing was always to slow spread and prevent the hospitals from being overrun. In the beginning we could have prevented a lot of deaths by being out front of this, but our glorious leader lead us down this path instead, praise be.



What part of "If it spreads to much then it overwhelms the hospital" didn't make sense to you? The part where you had to read, the part where you had to open your eyes, or the part where you had to pull your head out of your ass?

I mean really what a ****ing stupid post. I really don't care about your feelings anymore. That was stupid.



And tweedle dee right behind him. Can read the bible but can't be bothered to understand 3 sentences on a message board though. But by Yahweh he'll give his Holy Opinion (trademarked).

And your point is, besides you are a stupid communist - comrade? Act your age will you, I was assuming you were at least 25, but maybe not given the comments you make. I think you are a dimwit 2 year old that throws tantrums at will. No slight to other parents with children that are 2. I think they are infinitely more intelligent than Danthecommunistman!

[SheltonChoked]

I think there are a few groups:
1. Ready to open... damn the consequences
2. Ready to open bc we really have no choice
3. Want to stay closed out of fear/concern
4. Want to stay closed bc they're lazy and getting $600 federal and state unemployment on top of that.
5. Want to stay closed to help Biden in November

It think there is a group you missed

2.5 Ready to loosen the restrictions on what is an "Essential Business" with PPE in place to begin to start back the economy, but don't want to open too fast and waste the shutdown completely"

[Gutter Cobreh]

I pray you aren?t a teacher because anyone with sense is screwed. Funny thing is I pray you aren?t a professor, well a TA. I?ve read your diatribes and your answers are ridiculous but remember who at the end of the day takes care of you. While I?m at it when is the last time you showed any kind of respect to anyone in your world while calling yourself essential? Bet that?s not happening because you have issues with the lower class you claim to defend


And your point is, besides you are a stupid communist - comrade? Act your age will you, I was assuming you were at least 25, but maybe not given the comments you make. I think you are a dimwit 2 year old that throws tantrums at will. No slight to other parents with children that are 2. I think they are infinitely more intelligent than Danthecommunistman!

I suspect that with the bolded portions of these posts that both of you are probably starting to "hit the nail on the head", as he's referenced in previous posts his upbringing and being a recent college grad (see Dan - some of us have reading comprehension)... Not to go into someone on a personal level - I'll just end this post with a saying that seems fitting here:

If you're a 20 year old Republican - you don't have a heart
If you're a 40 year old Democrat - you don't have a brain

I'll leave it up to the reader to determine the meaning, but it fits....

[msstate7]

It think there is a group you missed

2.5 Ready to loosen the restrictions on what is an "Essential Business" with PPE in place to begin to start back the economy, but don't want to open too fast and waste the shutdown completely"

And those that are a combination of more than 1.

[StateDawg44]

We should be mass producing tests. Protest that, not just that you miss being whipped by daddy capitalism. The only reason they are pushing to stop having to pay unemployment and such. Follow the money. It's funny, we're a month in and how many people are really going starving because of this? Almost like we do have the capability to not force workers into multiple shitty jobs just to survive. Really makes you think (or in a lot on this thread's case, put your head in the sand.)



You're arguing like it's an extreme measure that I said I want. I simply gave you a reason why you were wrong about social distancing and you took it somewhere else. The reason for social distancing was always to slow spread and prevent the hospitals from being overrun. In the beginning we could have prevented a lot of deaths by being out front of this, but our glorious leader lead us down this path instead, praise be.



What part of "If it spreads to much then it overwhelms the hospital" didn't make sense to you? The part where you had to read, the part where you had to open your eyes, or the part where you had to pull your head out of your ass?

I mean really what a ****ing stupid post. I really don't care about your feelings anymore. That was stupid.



And tweedle dee right behind him. Can read the bible but can't be bothered to understand 3 sentences on a message board though. But by Yahweh he'll give his Holy Opinion (trademarked).


Good lord dude. You are so sensitive and get angrily defensive. Grow up and learn how to conversate without sounding like a whiny bitch.

I asked a simple question because it hasn't overwhelmed many hospitals besides major hot spots which MS has none of comparatively. So they are perfectly capable of receiving treatment if they are severe.

When have I acted like my feelings even remotely got hurt? You give yourself entirely too much credit.

[Johnson85]

You are calling other people brainwashed and stupid, so let's take a second to talk about things you are ignorant about or possibly brainwashed.


We should be mass producing tests. "We" are mass producing tests. That's good, but tests are not a cure. They don't allow us to stop the virus. Had they been available early enough, maybe they allow us to avoid shutdowns and just use contact tracing. That horse probably left the barn before we even knew there was an issue based on how far back we are finding deaths now. But to the extent it hadn't, it was a moot point with the CDC screwed up its tests.



Protest that, not just that you miss being whipped by daddy capitalism. The only reason they are pushing to stop having to pay unemployment and such. Follow the money. It's funny, we're a month in and how many people are really going starving because of this? Almost like we do have the capability to not force workers into multiple shitty jobs just to survive. Really makes you think (or in a lot on this thread's case, put your head in the sand.) This is where it appears you are brainwashed. Yes, people work to provide a lot of good and services that are not necessary to survive, and they work a lot to consume those good and services. But some people do have to produce in order for other people to consume. It sounds like you are advocating that producers just suck it up and produce and non-producers sit home and enjoy the fruits of their labor. That's in theory possible if we accept a much lower standard of living, but the economy is complicated and you can't just isolate one section from the others and the "essential" goods and services still be provided without basically the government nationalizing the entire economy. Just too many interconnected parts between physical supply chains and financing. But even if you could do that, you have a human nature problem. People will do a lot for a month of two if they think it's for the greater good. But at some point, all the people doing the work to produce essential goods and services will notice that they are getting a shitty deal and somehow are worse off than the people who are not.

But even before that point, you are going to have a lot of people that do not want to drastically cut their standard of living (and possibly just as importantly, do not want to stop contributing) for what is a relatively minor risk. Based on the tradeoffs people routinely make between safety and money, we are grossly overreacting to this virus. Even if you could get past the practical problems of trying to shutdown for months on end, why would you want to inflict so much human misery for gains that the vast majority of people, based on their typical actions, do not value that much? People are irrational in how they approach risk for sure, but why do people like you get to choose how they manage risk? You pretty clearly don't seem to be smarter. Are you somehow more moral? What is your or anybody else's claim to that privilege?




You're arguing like it's an extreme measure that I said I want. I simply gave you a reason why you were wrong about social distancing and you took it somewhere else. The reason for social distancing was always to slow spread and prevent the hospitals from being overrun. In the beginning we could have prevented a lot of deaths by being out front of this, but our glorious leader lead us down this path instead, praise be. Trump certainly could have done better, but he isn't noticeably better or worse than any other political leader, except he did avoid people's worse impulses and not try to shutdown all of the country illogically when a local/regional approach was needed.



What part of "If it spreads to much then it overwhelms the hospital" didn't make sense to you? The part where you had to read, the part where you had to open your eyes, or the part where you had to pull your head out of your ass?

We probably did prevent some deaths by preventing our hospitals from being overrun. We've also caused some deaths and continue to cause some deaths by preventing people from getting "elective" treatments where they died from the delay and also from people just voluntarily avoiding hospitals because of fear of Wuhan. In some places like New Orleans and NYC that was probably not an unreasonable fear. In other places, they died for no reason as potential Wuhan patients were screened before even entering the emergency room waiting room and sent to a separate area. I don't think it's obvious at all whether the net effect was more or fewer deaths than otherwise.





I mean really what a ****ing stupid post. I really don't care about your feelings anymore. That was stupid.



And tweedle dee right behind him. Can read the bible but can't be bothered to understand 3 sentences on a message board though. But by Yahweh he'll give his Holy Opinion (trademarked). I may be confusing you with another poster, but weren't you one of the ones that was smugly moralizing to other posters and basically calling them stupid, and now subsequent events have shown their guess as to the severity of the situation and appropriate response to be much more accurate and grounded in reality than yours?

[Commercecomet24]

And those that are a combination of more than 1.

This, I don't want people getting sick or dying but I also understand that if folks don't get back to work the devastation caused by the shutdown will be more far reaching and last longer than the virus. This is one dang tough situation.

[Johnson85]

It evident how selfish some of you are that you can't think past your own face. Here's something to put it in perspective for you twats.

We've lost more people to corona than Korea. We've lost more people to corona than Nam. WW1, WW2, and Civil War are the only wars with a higher death count. And we're knocking on the door of WW1.

I want you to go tell everyone of the 70,000+ people's family that the virus isn't that bad, just a cough. Or alternatively, go tell an Iraqi/Afghan War veteran that the war wasn't that bad its only 1/10 as deadly as a mild cough, they should get over acting like they are some hero. They died to something that was 10% of a mild cough. Weaklings.

That's how ignorant you sound. If my post makes you mad, it should. It should make you mad you sound that stupid.

Go tell everyone of the people's family that dies of the flu that the flu isn't that bad. It doesn't really matter how people die, it's tragic to the people involved.

But that's not really helpful for forming do reasonable public policy. The emergence of the Wuhan virus is a real tragedy for the country and the world. It won't be remembered like the Spanish flu unless we have some pretty bad future surprises, but it's going to remembered because it is a big tragedy, on the same scale as a major war. But that doesn't mean people are selfish for recognizing we have choices between bad options and other options that are still bad, but less bad. The people that wanted to intervene in WWII weren't selfish because it caused a lot of deaths. They thought it was the best option. The people that want to reduce the economic harms from the virus are not selfish; they think it's the best option.

Also, if you are going to insist on comparing pandemics and wars, it's worth noting that for public policy reasons, the death of a 25 year old is on average worse than the death of a 75 year old. Doesn't mean it's less personally tragic, but when you are trying to weigh harms in the context of public policy, the difference matters.

Something to put it in perspective for people to emotional to think clearly.

[MaroonFlounder]

Put on the tin foil hat again for this:

Unless this is fake.

On Twitter Today: A Coronavirus researcher in Pittsburgh was killed in an "apparent murder-suicide". This person was close to making "very significant findings" related to COVID-19.

About a month ago was this headline: Doctors at UPMC Pittsburgh have released that they found a COVID cure and are submitting it for FDA approval and safety testing.

A Twitter acct by the name Thicc Chungus Tweeted out a comment to the effect of "how much do you wanna bet one or more of these doctors/researchers will mysteriously die. That tweet was a month ago after the story of the discovery broke.

The researcher (Bing Liu) Was killed this past Saturday at his townhouse.

[Commercecomet24]

Go tell everyone of the people's family that dies of the flu that the flu isn't that bad. It doesn't really matter how people die, it's tragic to the people involved.

But that's not really helpful for forming do reasonable public policy. The emergence of the Wuhan virus is a real tragedy for the country and the world. It won't be remembered like the Spanish flu unless we have some pretty bad future surprises, but it's going to remembered because it is a big tragedy, on the same scale as a major war. But that doesn't mean people are selfish for recognizing we have choices between bad options and other options that are still bad, but less bad. The people that wanted to intervene in WWII weren't selfish because it caused a lot of deaths. They thought it was the best option. The people that want to reduce the economic harms from the virus are not selfish; they think it's the best option.

Also, if you are going to insist on comparing pandemics and wars, it's worth noting that for public policy reasons, the death of a 25 year old is on average worse than the death of a 75 year old. Doesn't mean it's less personally tragic, but when you are trying to weigh harms in the context of public policy, the difference matters.

Something to put it in perspective for people to emotional to think clearly.

Dang man, thats spot on!

[dantheman4248]

I may be confusing you with another poster, but weren't you one of the ones that was smugly moralizing to other posters and basically calling them stupid, and now subsequent events have shown their guess as to the severity of the situation and appropriate response to be much more accurate and grounded in reality than yours?

This is the only part I'm responding to of yours.

I'm the guy who took the bet that we would have more than 30k cases by summer. The other guy hasn't responded since.
I'm the guy who offered another bet based on whether or not we would have 100k by the end of March. The other guy declined.
I predicted somewhere around 500k deaths this year from it. We're tracking to hit that.

So no, I'm the guy who has been right most of the way (sadly). You must be looking for the other guy.

[dawgday166]

Put on the tin foil hat again for this:

Unless this is fake.

On Twitter Today: A Coronavirus researcher in Pittsburgh was killed in an "apparent murder-suicide". This person was close to making "very significant findings" related to COVID-19.

About a month ago was this headline: Doctors at UPMC Pittsburgh have released that they found a COVID cure and are submitting it for FDA approval and safety testing.

A Twitter acct by the name Thicc Chungus Tweeted out a comment to the effect of "how much do you wanna bet one or more of these doctors/researchers will mysteriously die. That tweet was a month ago after the story of the discovery broke.

The researcher (Bing Liu) Was killed this past Saturday at his townhouse.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/us/university-of-pittsburgh-professor-killed/index.html

Well .. I think there are conspiracies at times that we don't know what's going on in the background. Haven't really thought that was case here but a couple of things have made me scratch my head.

But this article ... pretty coincidental to say the least and the part about unidentified man killing himself when he got back to his car after killing Liu making it a murder/suicide. Not sure that makes good horse sense.

Don't know the details or background here tho.

ETA: As and aside ... I truly believe Ruby killed Oswald cause of his concern for Jackie Kennedy ****

[Extendedcab]

Put on the tin foil hat again for this:

Unless this is fake.

On Twitter Today: A Coronavirus researcher in Pittsburgh was killed in an "apparent murder-suicide". This person was close to making "very significant findings" related to COVID-19.

About a month ago was this headline: Doctors at UPMC Pittsburgh have released that they found a COVID cure and are submitting it for FDA approval and safety testing.

A Twitter acct by the name Thicc Chungus Tweeted out a comment to the effect of "how much do you wanna bet one or more of these doctors/researchers will mysteriously die. That tweet was a month ago after the story of the discovery broke.

The researcher (Bing Liu) Was killed this past Saturday at his townhouse.

A coincidence? As a long time NCIS fan, according to the leading character Leroy Jethro Gibbs, there is no such thing as a coincidence.

[defiantdog]

This is the only part I'm responding to of yours.

I'm the guy who took the bet that we would have more than 30k cases by summer. The other guy hasn't responded since.
I'm the guy who offered another bet based on whether or not we would have 100k by the end of March. The other guy declined.
I predicted somewhere around 500k deaths this year from it. We're tracking to hit that.

So no, I'm the guy who has been right most of the way (sadly). You must be looking for the other guy.

I wouldn't believe any of the numbers. Numbers of cases are well below the expected infected..... rumors of false Covid deaths in hospitals for funding purposes..... and media propaganda treating the numbers like an election race just to get their ratings up.

In other words..... lay off the news, go outside, play with your kids (if you have any). Enjoy life and the togetherness this virus has given instead of constantly looking into the negatives. No way to live life if you're constantly fearing the outcome. This sucks and people are dying, but it doesn't mean you can't enjoy the people around you.

[Johnson85]

I thought it was up over 40 today. I must have misread it.

It's confusing because they break it out into confirmed and suspected cases. Would be helpful if they had a line showing the combined numbers.

[Homedawg]

And if you look at the trend, we have not peaked yet. I was hopeful a couple weeks ago we may have hit the top of the curve, but we haven't. People in icu also spiked but ventilator patients are at least staying flat.
So based on what a spike was yesterday, we spiked downward today correct? Just checking...

[hacker]

One of my daughter's friends is going on vacation to Gulf Shores next weekend and want her to go with them. Guys, should I let her go? What would y'all do?

[Dawgfan77]

So based on what a spike was yesterday, we spiked downward today correct? Just checking...
This little tid bit pisses me off
Officials said Wednesday's death count includes five deaths from April now determined to be COVID-19 related.

These facts are just adding to the hysteria

[Jack Lambert]

One of my daughter's friends is going on vacation to Gulf Shores next weekend and want her to go with them. Guys, should I let her go? What would y'all do?

I would let mine go. The two people who she could hurt when she comes back are isolated.

[msstate7]

One of my daughter's friends is going on vacation to Gulf Shores next weekend and want her to go with them. Guys, should I let her go?

Are you or someone in your household high risk? Even if the answer is yes, I'd still be open to think about it. I don't think the beach would be high risk area compared to say Walmart or a grocery store.

[Dawgfan77]

Damn... doesn't appear shelter in place works.... so why are we still sheltered in place
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html

[confucius say]

One of my daughter's friends is going on vacation to Gulf Shores next weekend and want her to go with them. Guys, should I let her go? What would y'all do?

I prob wouldn't

[confucius say]

Have any of you heard about the study being done locally with using a combo of pepcid/Zyrtec to treat positive covid patients? Apparently it's seen really good results.

[Commercecomet24]

Have any of you heard about the study being done locally with using a combo of pepcid/Zyrtec to treat positive covid patients? Apparently it's seen really good results.

Yeah I have. Famotidine apparently acts as an inhibitor of the virus and combined with zyrtec can help with breathing related issues. Still early on but its hopeful that this can at least curb some of the harsher symptoms. We'll see.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Have any of you heard about the study being done locally with using a combo of pepcid/Zyrtec to treat positive covid patients? Apparently it's seen really good results.


Yeah I have. Famotidine apparently acts as an inhibitor of the virus and combined with zyrtec can help with breathing related issues. Still early on but its hopeful that this can at least curb some of the harsher symptoms. We'll see.

Wonder if this would work on all the various strains of COVID-19? A study posted a few days ago from Los Alamos National Laboratory found 14 mutations of the virus. Be awesome if that indeed is the case!!

I know quite a few folks who have recently contracted it and outside of sleeping a lot, they didn't require any additional level of care outside of medicating the symptoms and waiting for it to run its course.

[Johnson85]

One of my daughter's friends is going on vacation to Gulf Shores next weekend and want her to go with them. Guys, should I let her go? What would y'all do?

No 17ing way. Nothing good happens on beach trips for girls from the age of like 13 to 25.

But if she's younger than 13 and nobody in your immediate household is high risk, absolutely let her go have fun. If somebody in your immediate household is high risk, I'd probably still let her go unless there was just no way to separate her when she gets back. This virus is going to be around for a long time and it's not really realistic to expect her to avoid being exposed forever.

[defiantdog]

Have any of you heard about the study being done locally with using a combo of pepcid/Zyrtec to treat positive covid patients? Apparently it's seen really good results.

Zicam did wonders for the symptoms. An Albuterol inhaler is the only thing that helped with the shortness of breath.

[Commercecomet24]

Wonder if this would work on all the various strains of COVID-19? A study posted a few days ago from Los Alamos National Laboratory found 14 mutations of the virus. Be awesome if that indeed is the case!!

I know quite a few folks who have recently contracted it and outside of sleeping a lot, they didn't require any additional level of care outside of medicating the symptoms and waiting for it to run its course.

Man it would be great if it did. Its still early but results have been good but with this bug who knows.

[Homedawg]

Damn... doesn't appear shelter in place works.... so why are we still sheltered in place
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html

Perfect, I'll be at the game at I'm good. Liverpool will be around home and he will get it. But it will be my fault.

[Cooterpoot]

Yeah I have. Famotidine apparently acts as an inhibitor of the virus and combined with zyrtec can help with breathing related issues. Still early on but its hopeful that this can at least curb some of the harsher symptoms. We'll see.

Tagamet works as well. Vitamin D, Zinc, and Tagamet and Zyrtec should all be effective.

[Commercecomet24]

Tagamet works as well. Vitamin D, Zinc, and Tagamet and Zyrtec should all be effective.

Hadn't heard about Tagamet, but I take vitamin d and zinc supplements everyday with or without the corona being around. I may be immune to corona, my guts been ruined for years and I've been on every gut treatment on earth lol

[defiantdog]

Hadn't heard about Tagamet, but I take vitamin d and zinc supplements everyday with or without the corona being around. I may be immune to corona, my guts been ruined for years and I've been on every gut treatment on earth lol
If anyone develops breathing issues, get an inhaler. Not only can you not satisfy a deep breath, but it also makes you feel like youre breathing through a straw. All of the supplements help with the symptoms, but those are manageable really without anything. It's the difficulty breathing becomes the biggest issue.

[Commercecomet24]

If anyone develops breathing issues, get an inhaler. Not only can you not satisfy a deep breath, but it also makes you feel like youre breathing through a straw. All of the supplements help with the symptoms, but those are manageable really without anything. It's the difficulty breathing becomes the biggest issue.

We got a couple here at the house. They make a huge difference when you can't breathe.

Really glad you were able to beat the bug.

[State82]

Just curious. What is the take from everyone on the Texas judge that jailed the mother for keeping her salon open because she had to feed her kids. This after Dallas County has released around 1000 inmates due to the virus. I could give you my take but it is not pretty or politically correct by any stretch of the imagination.

[Bdawg]

Just curious. What is the take from everyone on the Texas judge that jailed the mother for keeping her salon open because she had to feed her kids. This after Dallas County has released around 1000 inmates due to the virus. I could give you my take but it is not pretty or politically correct by any stretch of the imagination.

Really hard for my answer to keep politics out of this one. Let's just say that judge could go you know what to himself. People can't just sit around and watch everything they have worked for just go down the drain. She said she really did it for her employees because they needed money for their family too.

[Commercecomet24]

Really hard for my answer to keep politics out of this one. Let's just say that judge could go you know what to himself.

Seconded.

[dantheman4248]

It's amazing that people still don't get it.

Give $2,000 to someone poor and $2,000 to a business, which one recirculates into the economy quicker.

But nooooooooo we need to bailout business and let people do non-essential jobs in the name of trickle down economics.

If you seriously can't see the issue there then you are a blind sheep plain and simple.

"If you're over 40 and not a republican, you don't have a brain."

Nah if you're over 40 and a republican, you're just whipped into submission by daddy capitalism. No surprise there from the generation who's defining war was losing to charlie in the chocolate tree with a death count 8X what the generation defining war took now. Boomers aren't strong. They're weak. Whipped into submission. Doing daddy capitalism's bidding.

Imagine bragging about your day. You're the weak generation who lost a war. You're the weak generation who let the income gap get ridiculously out of hand. You're the weak generation whose leadership has guided the US away from being the greatest country in the world. You are the weak. Period. Your generation will go down in history as the worst generation of the United States.

Imagine thinking someone deserves to control 100 billion dollars. They are so skilled. Drop Jeff Bezos down at the shipyard and he would work circles around those unskilled laborers. He deserves, he's so awesome. Those unskilled laborers should have went to college. Boomers did it back in their day with a small loan from daddy and a summer job that would pay all of tuition. ****ing disconnected from reality twats. You probably pay for an accountant too. Anyone who does, doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to economics. You already defer how to handle your own dollars, don't you dare give input how to handle the whole economies.

[dantheman4248]

Just curious. What is the take from everyone on the Texas judge that jailed the mother for keeping her salon open because she had to feed her kids. This after Dallas County has released around 1000 inmates due to the virus. I could give you my take but it is not pretty or politically correct by any stretch of the imagination.

She should have saved up and been prepared for this. She should have stopped eating out so much and living beyond her means. She shouldn't have so much credit card debt. If she didn't want this problem why was she buying starbucks. Getting out of poverty is easy if she would just save and stop spending frivolously. It's her own fault.

[Extendedcab]

It's amazing that people still don't get it.

Give $2,000 to someone poor and $2,000 to a business, which one recirculates into the economy quicker.

But nooooooooo we need to bailout business and let people do non-essential jobs in the name of trickle down economics.

If you seriously can't see the issue there then you are a blind sheep plain and simple.

"If you're over 40 and not a republican, you don't have a brain."

Nah if you're over 40 and a republican, you're just whipped into submission by daddy capitalism. No surprise there from the generation who's defining war was losing to charlie in the chocolate tree with a death count 8X what the generation defining war took now. Boomers aren't strong. They're weak. Whipped into submission. Doing daddy capitalism's bidding.

Imagine bragging about your day. You're the weak generation who lost a war. You're the weak generation who let the income gap get ridiculously out of hand. You're the weak generation whose leadership has guided the US away from being the greatest country in the world. You are the weak. Period. Your generation will go down in history as the worst generation of the United States.

Imagine thinking someone deserves to control 100 billion dollars. They are so skilled. Drop Jeff Bezos down at the shipyard and he would work circles around those unskilled laborers. He deserves, he's so awesome. Those unskilled laborers should have went to college. Boomers did it back in their day with a small loan from daddy and a summer job that would pay all of tuition. ****ing disconnected from reality twats. You probably pay for an accountant too. Anyone who does, doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to economics. You already defer how to handle your own dollars, don't you dare give input how to handle the whole economies.

Oh my goodness, you can not live in the US with an attitude like yours. You must live in Moscow with daddy Putin!!!. You are brainwashed into communism!!!

You are one miserable individual, are you happy with anything other than communism?? Do yourself a favor and GROW UP!!!

[Dawgology]

It's amazing that people still don't get it.

Give $2,000 to someone poor and $2,000 to a business, which one recirculates into the economy quicker.

But nooooooooo we need to bailout business and let people do non-essential jobs in the name of trickle down economics.

If you seriously can't see the issue there then you are a blind sheep plain and simple.

"If you're over 40 and not a republican, you don't have a brain."

Nah if you're over 40 and a republican, you're just whipped into submission by daddy capitalism. No surprise there from the generation who's defining war was losing to charlie in the chocolate tree with a death count 8X what the generation defining war took now. Boomers aren't strong. They're weak. Whipped into submission. Doing daddy capitalism's bidding.

Imagine bragging about your day. You're the weak generation who lost a war. You're the weak generation who let the income gap get ridiculously out of hand. You're the weak generation whose leadership has guided the US away from being the greatest country in the world. You are the weak. Period. Your generation will go down in history as the worst generation of the United States.

Imagine thinking someone deserves to control 100 billion dollars. They are so skilled. Drop Jeff Bezos down at the shipyard and he would work circles around those unskilled laborers. He deserves, he's so awesome. Those unskilled laborers should have went to college. Boomers did it back in their day with a small loan from daddy and a summer job that would pay all of tuition. ****ing disconnected from reality twats. You probably pay for an accountant too. Anyone who does, doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to economics. You already defer how to handle your own dollars, don't you dare give input how to handle the whole economies.

So what is your solution then?

Detail it from top to bottom.

[StateDawg44]

So what is your solution then?

Detail it from top to bottom.

Better yet... please don't.



Sorry, Dawgology.

There is just no reason to give this clown the time of day.

[Dawgology]

Better yet... please don't.



Sorry, Dawgology.

There is just no reason to give this clown the time of day.

I just really want to hear his solution. I occassionaly run across Marxist Socialists and they all have the same complaint but rarely do they have a workable solution.

[Jack Lambert]

It's amazing that people still don't get it.

Give $2,000 to someone poor and $2,000 to a business, which one recirculates into the economy quicker.

But nooooooooo we need to bailout business and let people do non-essential jobs in the name of trickle down economics.

If you seriously can't see the issue there then you are a blind sheep plain and simple.

"If you're over 40 and not a republican, you don't have a brain."

Nah if you're over 40 and a republican, you're just whipped into submission by daddy capitalism. No surprise there from the generation who's defining war was losing to charlie in the chocolate tree with a death count 8X what the generation defining war took now. Boomers aren't strong. They're weak. Whipped into submission. Doing daddy capitalism's bidding.

Imagine bragging about your day. You're the weak generation who lost a war. You're the weak generation who let the income gap get ridiculously out of hand. You're the weak generation whose leadership has guided the US away from being the greatest country in the world. You are the weak. Period. Your generation will go down in history as the worst generation of the United States.

Imagine thinking someone deserves to control 100 billion dollars. They are so skilled. Drop Jeff Bezos down at the shipyard and he would work circles around those unskilled laborers. He deserves, he's so awesome. Those unskilled laborers should have went to college. Boomers did it back in their day with a small loan from daddy and a summer job that would pay all of tuition. ****ing disconnected from reality twats. You probably pay for an accountant too. Anyone who does, doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to economics. You already defer how to handle your own dollars, don't you dare give input how to handle the whole economies.

I can't believe this thread is still going.

[State82]

I just really want to hear his solution. I occassionaly run across Marxist Socialists and they all have the same complaint but rarely do they have a workable solution.

Well, that requires cognitive thinking and general good sense/intelligence. He is totally void of such and is a waste of keystrokes on this matter. Probably any matter actually.

[Commercecomet24]

I just really want to hear his solution. I occassionaly run across Marxist Socialists and they all have the same complaint but rarely do they have a workable solution.

That's because they don't have one.

[StateDawg44]

I just really want to hear his solution. I occassionaly run across Marxist Socialists and they all have the same complaint but rarely do they have a workable solution.


I hear you. I've already asked for this and he answered with the exact things I requested him not to answer my questions with. Just be prepared to be told how stupid you are and you just don't "get it".

He's apparently the only person who does "get it" and is blinded with hate and ignorance because he is right and everyone else is wrong.

It's like attempting to speak to a child who hasn't had their nap in two days.

[Turfdawg67]

Oh my goodness, you can not live in the US with an attitude like yours. You must live in Moscow with daddy Putin!!!. You are brainwashed into communism!!!

You are one miserable individual, are you happy with anything other than communism?? Do yourself a favor and GROW UP!!!

Speaking of brainwashed... got anymore misleading stories you'd like to link from The Drudge Report or The Blaze?

[yjnkdawg]

I can't believe this thread is still going.



This thread went to crap shortly after the smartest*** person on this site took over the thread and politics was the main agenda.

[Extendedcab]

Speaking of brainwashed... got anymore misleading stories you'd like to link from The Drudge Report or The Blaze?

If you have anything better - verifiable, accurate with no bias, post it!! Otherwise you can go visit danthecommunistman and commiserate together!

[Johnson85]

It's amazing that people still don't get it.

Give $2,000 to someone poor and $2,000 to a business, which one recirculates into the economy quicker.

But nooooooooo we need to bailout business and let people do non-essential jobs in the name of trickle down economics.

If you seriously can't see the issue there then you are a blind sheep plain and simple. If you seriously think you have identified the issue you are just simple. THere are lots of complaints about the corona related stimulus. But the reason they tried to save businesses is that they want people to stay employed. Businesses are just a conglomeration of economic arrangements and if you let them fail, there are a lot of transaction costs to just recreating those businesses after they fail. If you want to make an argument that the US should let businesses fail and that's part of capitalism and failing from a pandemic is just part of the risks, that's fine. But it's not an issue of trickle down economics, which is just a made up phrase to begin with and basically a campaign slogan by the left, not an actual policy.


"If you're over 40 and not a republican, you don't have a brain." Thte saying is if you're a democrat at 40 you don't have a brain. There are plenty of reasons to not be a republican. You do have to swallow a lot of idiocies to be a democrat now. But as long as you realize you are doing it and it's just because you think that's a less bad option than the republican party, I would agree the saying even in its correct form is overbroad.


Nah if you're over 40 and a republican, you're just whipped into submission by daddy capitalism. No surprise there from the generation who's defining war was losing to charlie in the chocolate tree with a death count 8X what the generation defining war took now. Boomers aren't strong. They're weak. Whipped into submission. Doing daddy capitalism's bidding.

Imagine bragging about your day. You're the weak generation who lost a war. You're the weak generation who let the income gap get ridiculously out of hand. You're the weak generation whose leadership has guided the US away from being the greatest country in the world. You are the weak. Period. Your generation will go down in history as the worst generation of the United States. There are the worst generation, but not sure it's because of the reasons you claim. They basically voted to promise themselves that future taxpayers would pay them a shit ton of money; more than they would be willing to pay the tax burden to support. There are lots of complaints to have about them, but that's probably the most damning. They were the first generation to be prosperous enough for long enough that they could afford to have stupid beliefs and do things like enter a war without a commitment to winning it. Not sure any of your other complaints are valid though.


Imagine thinking someone deserves to control 100 billion dollars. They are so skilled. Drop Jeff Bezos down at the shipyard and he would work circles around those unskilled laborers. He deserves, he's so awesome. Those unskilled laborers should have went to college. As long as he is not taking your money, why do you care if Bezos has a lot of money? Him chasing state and local incentives is distasteful, but once government gets into the business of giving out incentives for those projects, that's part of the business landscape and it's hard to pass up those incentives when competitors have access to them (and arguably he has a fiduciary duty to take them, since he's a minority owner in Amazon). If you think Bezos doesn't deserve any money, that's fine. You don't have to use any amazon projects. But if other people choose to do so it's not really any of your business.


Boomers did it back in their day with a small loan from daddy and a summer job that would pay all of tuition. ****ing disconnected from reality twats. Boomers certainly had a lot of things easier, and the people that took out massive student loans 10+ years ago have a pretty decent complaint that they were screwed with a lot of bad information about "good debt". But the people that are the biggest whiners about student debt now are people that picked expensive options for college, often getting non-marketable degrees.


You probably pay for an accountant too. Anyone who does, doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to economics. You already defer how to handle your own dollars, don't you dare give input how to handle the whole economies. Yea, you don't know what accountants do but you think you're competent to vote for people to manage the economy? Just FYI, accountants have different roles, and certainly some basically act as financial analysts and help people/companies decide which projects to invest in, but generally having an accountant doesn't mean somebody is "defer[ring] how to handle [their] own dollars."

[DownwardDawg]

Please ban this 17’n idiot from the board. And lock this political thread.

[Commercecomet24]

Man do I feel fortunate! I just made the cut as Generation X'er and not a boomer! It was close but I made it in, blessed! lol

[Commercecomet24]

Please ban this 17’n idiot from the board. And lock this political thread.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DownwardDawg again.

[BeardoMSU]

If you have anything better - verifiable, accurate with no bias, post it!! Otherwise you can go visit danthecommunistman and commiserate together!

Jesus Christ. There is NO such thing as "no bias". Humans are incapable of that. There is, however, a difference between having "bias", but still being a professional, and being a sycophantic propaganda machine. Rational people can tell the difference.

[BeardoMSU]

Man do I feel fortunate! I just made the cut as Generation X'er and not a boomer! It was close but I made it in, blessed! lol

Something only a BOOMER would say******

[Commercecomet24]

Jesus Christ. There is NO such thing as "no bias". Humans are incapable of that. There is, however, a difference between having "bias", but still being a professional, and being a sycophantic propaganda machine. Rational people can tell the difference.

Dude you gotta stop using all those big words******

In all seriousness though, that's the reason I like to read and study lots of differing view that provide legit facts so that I can form my own opinions.

[Commercecomet24]

Something only a BOOMER would say******

LOL, you alright Beardo!

[Gutter Cobreh]

It's amazing that people still don't get it.

Give $2,000 to someone poor and $2,000 to a business, which one recirculates into the economy quicker.

But nooooooooo we need to bailout business and let people do non-essential jobs in the name of trickle down economics.

If you seriously can't see the issue there then you are a blind sheep plain and simple.

"If you're over 40 and not a republican, you don't have a brain."

Nah if you're over 40 and a republican, you're just whipped into submission by daddy capitalism. No surprise there from the generation who's defining war was losing to charlie in the chocolate tree with a death count 8X what the generation defining war took now. Boomers aren't strong. They're weak. Whipped into submission. Doing daddy capitalism's bidding.

Imagine bragging about your day. You're the weak generation who lost a war. You're the weak generation who let the income gap get ridiculously out of hand. You're the weak generation whose leadership has guided the US away from being the greatest country in the world. You are the weak. Period. Your generation will go down in history as the worst generation of the United States.

Imagine thinking someone deserves to control 100 billion dollars. They are so skilled. Drop Jeff Bezos down at the shipyard and he would work circles around those unskilled laborers. He deserves, he's so awesome. Those unskilled laborers should have went to college. Boomers did it back in their day with a small loan from daddy and a summer job that would pay all of tuition. ****ing disconnected from reality twats. You probably pay for an accountant too. Anyone who does, doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to economics. You already defer how to handle your own dollars, don't you dare give input how to handle the whole economies.

You do realize that the stimulus package provides $600 a week for those unemployed. I reached out to my accountant and they informed me that this was over $2k a month, on top of what their normal distribution would have been.

Based on a report recently published, unemployed workers in MS went from 31% of their average wage to 119%.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/23/business/economy/unemployment-benefits-stimulus-coronavirus.html

You're an advocate of redistribution of wealth. Again, let me apologize to you that Bernie could not secure the nomination for a second time.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Man do I feel fortunate! I just made the cut as Generation X'er and not a boomer! It was close but I made it in, blessed! lol

That makes two of us Commerce!

I can't tell you how good I feel that I'm not considered a part of the worst generation ever by those egocentric posters here!!!!

[Commercecomet24]

That makes two of us Commerce!

I can't tell you how good I feel that I'm not considered a part of the worst generation ever by those egocentric posters here!!!!

High five! Whew, it was a close one but we made it, me by the skin of my teeth, one year, lol!

[hacker]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXaaCXTXsAIRMoo?format=jpg&name=large

I know when y'all like when I post positive stuff! NY is doing great! Don't look at the other part though

[BeardoMSU]

High five! Whew, it was a close one but we made it, me by the skin of my teeth, one year, lol!

I've never really paid any attention to these age-range groupings. I mean, "boomers" are easy to peg, since they're assigned to a specific event, but the "millennial" group is dumb as hell (being born 1983 to 2000); it doesn't take into account life experience. For example, someone born in '85 didn't have grow up with the level of technology at their fingertips as someone born in the mid to late 90's.

[Commercecomet24]

I've never really paid any attention to these age-range groupings. I mean, "boomers" are easy to peg, since they're assigned to a specific event, but the "millennial" group is dumb as hell (being born 1983 to 2000); it doesn't take into account life experience. For example, someone born in '85 didn't have grow up with the level of technology at their fingertips as someone born in the mid to late 90's.

Same here.

[Commercecomet24]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXaaCXTXsAIRMoo?format=jpg&name=large

I know when y'all like when I post positive stuff! NY is doing great! Don't look at the other part though

Hacker I think you're starting to develop a sense of humor.

[Turfdawg67]

Please ban this 17?n idiot from the board. And lock this political thread.

Just because I disagree with Extendedcab's preferred media outlets, I don't think he should be banned. ***

[Cooterpoot]

Just curious. What is the take from everyone on the Texas judge that jailed the mother for keeping her salon open because she had to feed her kids. This after Dallas County has released around 1000 inmates due to the virus. I could give you my take but it is not pretty or politically correct by any stretch of the imagination.

I think this salon/barber bullshit is the silliest thing we've done. Let people make a choice.

[Homedawg]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXaaCXTXsAIRMoo?format=jpg&name=large

I know when y'all like when I post positive stuff! NY is doing great! Don't look at the other part though

Where did you get this? bc the Jh site is saying only 23k new cases in the entire us on the 5th..

[Extendedcab]

Just because I disagree with Extendedcab's preferred media outlets, I don't think he should be banned. ***


Hopefully he was talking about danthecommunistman being banned. Otherwise Downwarddog is between 20 and 25 and lives in Moscow with his buddy and needs to be banned as well! I post 1 link and he comes unraveled like danthecommunistman does even when the post was not directed at him, it was just an FYI! That means read it and make your own opinion - assuming you can think for yourself.

[dantheman4248]

You do realize that the stimulus package provides $600 a week for those unemployed. I reached out to my accountant and they informed me that this was over $2k a month, on top of what their normal distribution would have been.

Based on a report recently published, unemployed workers in MS went from 31% of their average wage to 119%.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/23/business/economy/unemployment-benefits-stimulus-coronavirus.html

You're an advocate of redistribution of wealth. Again, let me apologize to you that Bernie could not secure the nomination for a second time.

I fail to see what point you are making. This was a partly good move. My point is that reopening is motivated by taking that away. (Not solely motivated, but that is a contributing factor. Can't let poor people have more money than normal.)

Not even being facetious to you, cause you're at least willing to not be an imbecile about this. I seriously don't understand your point.

[StateDawg44]

I've never really paid any attention to these age-range groupings. I mean, "boomers" are easy to peg, since they're assigned to a specific event, but the "millennial" group is dumb as hell (being born 1983 to 2000); it doesn't take into account life experience. For example, someone born in '85 didn't have grow up with the level of technology at their fingertips as someone born in the mid to late 90's.


You can be born in those years and still be capable of understanding what you are talking about and how things work and how life isn't always fair.

Don't lump everyone into the same group just because of the year they were born.

[dantheman4248]

If you seriously think you have identified the issue you are just simple. THere are lots of complaints about the corona related stimulus. But the reason they tried to save businesses is that they want people to stay employed. Businesses are just a conglomeration of economic arrangements and if you let them fail, there are a lot of transaction costs to just recreating those businesses after they fail. If you want to make an argument that the US should let businesses fail and that's part of capitalism and failing from a pandemic is just part of the risks, that's fine. But it's not an issue of trickle down economics, which is just a made up phrase to begin with and basically a campaign slogan by the left, not an actual policy.

Thte saying is if you're a democrat at 40 you don't have a brain. There are plenty of reasons to not be a republican. You do have to swallow a lot of idiocies to be a democrat now. But as long as you realize you are doing it and it's just because you think that's a less bad option than the republican party, I would agree the saying even in its correct form is overbroad.

There are the worst generation, but not sure it's because of the reasons you claim. They basically voted to promise themselves that future taxpayers would pay them a shit ton of money; more than they would be willing to pay the tax burden to support. There are lots of complaints to have about them, but that's probably the most damning. They were the first generation to be prosperous enough for long enough that they could afford to have stupid beliefs and do things like enter a war without a commitment to winning it. Not sure any of your other complaints are valid though.

As long as he is not taking your money, why do you care if Bezos has a lot of money? Him chasing state and local incentives is distasteful, but once government gets into the business of giving out incentives for those projects, that's part of the business landscape and it's hard to pass up those incentives when competitors have access to them (and arguably he has a fiduciary duty to take them, since he's a minority owner in Amazon). If you think Bezos doesn't deserve any money, that's fine. You don't have to use any amazon projects. But if other people choose to do so it's not really any of your business.

Boomers certainly had a lot of things easier, and the people that took out massive student loans 10+ years ago have a pretty decent complaint that they were screwed with a lot of bad information about "good debt". But the people that are the biggest whiners about student debt now are people that picked expensive options for college, often getting non-marketable degrees.

Yea, you don't know what accountants do but you think you're competent to vote for people to manage the economy? Just FYI, accountants have different roles, and certainly some basically act as financial analysts and help people/companies decide which projects to invest in, but generally having an accountant doesn't mean somebody is "defer[ring] how to handle [their] own dollars."

A lot of what I put in that post was dripping with reversed boomer arguments. (Charlie in the Chocolate Tree for example). Illustrating how stupid they sound when talking about how tough and great they were compared to today's generation. Today's generation grew up in worse economic conditions and outclasses them in their own metrics.

But to go point by point. I believe the government should serve the people and not the business. If we're bailing out the business to save the people, then cut out the middle man. Easy step.

Thank you for being someone who can see fault in both sides. I respect that.

My complaints that are invalid are the same ones that are invalid for boomers. I'll let them figure out which ones sarcasm and making fun of them.

Bezos is taking my money. My tax dollars help him. As long as business can get tax subsidies and write-offs that my dollars help fund, I will complain about it.

I'm one of the rare breeds who isn't in a "non-marketable" degree (and still has some but not near as much bad debt as it could have been), but I still give a damn about this.

The accountant bit was a subtle boomer ribbing. Your talking more to the business owner than you are to the common man. My uncle is an accountant. I know the merits of the position. I also know that it's rich to listen to someone tell you how to water your yard that pays someone else to tend to their crops.

[dantheman4248]

So what is your solution then?

Detail it from top to bottom.

It's simple. We kill the batman. ***

(Then we kill the rest of the rich too.) ***

But no it starts with redistribution of wealth. Flat Tax. (Yes I know Bernie has a different plan. Mine would be a true flat tax with no loop holes. That goes for business income too (NOT NET INCOME)). Free Basic Healthcare (Ability to opt out and get better coverage). Free College. Erase Student debt. Ofc you can opt out and go private (just like primary education). Legalize marijuana and tax it too. The only real social issue we should be discussing is abortion. More research into what it means to be a human and what makes a human a human. I'm strictly pro-life, but what does that mean? What does it mean to be a human and alive. (And for the other side I do believe in self-defense and that some abortions are necessary for the mother's survival.)

Make the debate about actual economic policy and not stupid social issues. Guns is the only one that's really fair to be discussed and have as a part of government debate. (It's shocking to me how many people are pro-gun and anti-marijuana. The only argument for either of them is the exact same: I like it, so the government shouldn't take it away from me if I'm not misusing it.)

Once you start working towards redistributing wealth, creating a UBI (key word BASIC, this income would not help fund vacations to the bahamas for everyone), and advancing society to more and more automation, we'll be A. more productive as a society and B. be overall happier as we've decreased the workload for people and provider more people economic viability. The steps we take from there are TBD, but that's the basic outline.

[Gutter Cobreh]

It's amazing that people still don't get it.

Give $2,000 to someone poor and $2,000 to a business, which one recirculates into the economy quicker.

But nooooooooo we need to bailout business and let people do non-essential jobs in the name of trickle down economics.

If you seriously can't see the issue there then you are a blind sheep plain and simple.



I fail to see what point you are making. This was a partly good move. My point is that reopening is motivated by taking that away. (Not solely motivated, but that is a contributing factor. Can't let poor people have more money than normal.)

Not even being facetious to you, cause you're at least willing to not be an imbecile about this. I seriously don't understand your point.

My point was that individuals are getting $2k and were a part of the stimulus package. Who recirculates it quicker is irrelevant, as the fact remains that the money for both businesses and individuals were created out of thin air anyway.

To redistribute wealth, government has to either borrow or tax. The politicians have decided to mortgage the future by borrowing.

I will add though that Bezos donated $100 million to Feeding America, and our local food bank received $400k of that donation. It's a drop in the bucket for him, but it will make a huge impact on those folks struggling for food where I live. You think that if the government had taxed Amazon and had that on hand - you think they would have allocated those funds to help those struggling with food insecurity?

[Jack Lambert]

Man do I feel fortunate! I just made the cut as Generation X'er and not a boomer! It was close but I made it in, blessed! lol

Boomers got us to the moon along with the help of NAZI's we didn't hang.

[Johnson85]

It's simple. We kill the batman. ***

(Then we kill the rest of the rich too.) ***

But no it starts with redistribution of wealth. Flat Tax. (Yes I know Bernie has a different plan. Mine would be a true flat tax with no loop holes. That goes for business income too (NOT NET INCOME)). That sounds great, but defining business income is not easy. We certainly have some unjustifiable handouts buried in the tax code, but most of what people complain about being tax breaks are just normal, everyday accounting conventions. If you try to just convert it into a revenue tax, then you crush capital intensive industries, a lot of which are sort of important.

Also, this does not redistribute wealth. We have a progressive tax system right now, and moving to a flat tax would make it less progressive on average. Not necessarily a bad thing, just an FYI that it seems contrary to your stated goal.


Free Basic Healthcare (Ability to opt out and get better coverage). OK. I would disagree, but Medicaid for all and people that want better coverage can opt out or buy additional coverage is fine.


Free College. We don't need free college, it's expensive enough as it is. I can't imagine how many more productive years would be wasted chasing degrees that don't make people more productive if there was no economic consequence for it. Plus this is a sop to a minority of the population that are generally more privileged than average.


Erase Student debt. Another sop to the relatively well off.


Ofc you can opt out and go private (just like primary education). Legalize marijuana and tax it too. great.


The only real social issue we should be discussing is abortion. More research into what it means to be a human and what makes a human a human. I'm strictly pro-life, but what does that mean? What does it mean to be a human and alive. (And for the other side I do believe in self-defense and that some abortions are necessary for the mother's survival.) I think there are relevant social issues in addition to abortion, and more research isn't going to meaningfully help resolve the issue, but yes, if people would actually respect the role of government and reduce it's scope, it would make a lot of the other social issues irrelevant or at least easier to deal with. Get out of the business of regulating marriage and just recognize civil unions and get rid of all the penalties for marriage and subsidies. For the tax code, let all allowances/deductions/income limits be double and people can choose to file as a civil union or individually. Get rid of ridiculous subsidies in social security for single earner marriages (and having multiple people claim spousal benefits for one spouse). Do that and same-sex marriage is really nobody's business. But for a lot of other social issues, and even the same-sex ones, you'd have to get out of the business of providing a lot of services (like public schools) to really get them out of the political debate.


Make the debate about actual economic policy and not stupid social issues. Guns is the only one that's really fair to be discussed and have as a part of government debate. (It's shocking to me how many people are pro-gun and anti-marijuana. The only argument for either of them is the exact same: I like it, so the government shouldn't take it away from me if I'm not misusing it.) Well, that argument and the little insignificant detail where one is protected explicitly by the constitution and the other isn't. But pulling back Raich and Wickard v. Filburn so that the Commerce clause can only be used to regulate actual interstate commerce and not intrastate marijuana business would be great.


Once you start working towards redistributing wealth, creating a UBI (key word BASIC, this income would not help fund vacations to the bahamas for everyone), and advancing society to more and more automation, we'll be A. more productive as a society and B. be overall happier as we've decreased the workload for people and provider more people economic viability. The steps we take from there are TBD, but that's the basic outline. It's extremely tough to make the numbers for UBI work even if you ignore away the political impossibility of getting rid of social security, medicare, and other welfare programs. You can't make UBI work with medicaid for all and definitely can't make it work while also taxing enough to pay for Medicaid for all and also having the federal government provide or pay for college educations.

[Extendedcab]

A lot of what I put in that post was dripping with reversed boomer arguments. (Charlie in the Chocolate Tree for example). Illustrating how stupid they sound when talking about how tough and great they were compared to today's generation. Today's generation grew up in worse economic conditions and outclasses them in their own metrics.

But to go point by point. I believe the government should serve the people and not the business. If we're bailing out the business to save the people, then cut out the middle man. Easy step.

Thank you for being someone who can see fault in both sides. I respect that.

My complaints that are invalid are the same ones that are invalid for boomers. I'll let them figure out which ones sarcasm and making fun of them.

Bezos is taking my money. My tax dollars help him. As long as business can get tax subsidies and write-offs that my dollars help fund, I will complain about it.

I'm one of the rare breeds who isn't in a "non-marketable" degree (and still has some but not near as much bad debt as it could have been), but I still give a damn about this.

The accountant bit was a subtle boomer ribbing. Your talking more to the business owner than you are to the common man. My uncle is an accountant. I know the merits of the position. I also know that it's rich to listen to someone tell you how to water your yard that pays someone else to tend to their crops.


You have no earthly idea what you are taking about. Did you live in that generation - no, but I did!! Why do you continually spew that same old self centered, pious, communist propaganda and outright lies as though it were the truth! You are talking through your Ass!! It is pure and simple dribble!

Here you are talking (typing) from an air conditioned and heated office/living space with food and drinks at your convinience and all the creature comforts of a King and you want to compare that to growing up in an earlier generation? What a pompous ass!! Not everybody grew up with a silver spoon in their mouth or in a city, some like me and most others I know in my generation (yes, a baby boomer - and DAMN PROUD of it, I know from which my help cometh) came from very humble beginnings.

Compare your situation today with:

Growing in a tar paper shack with 3 rooms, maybe 600 square feet max
Manual labor for a living - outside - dad was an electrical lineman and then an electrician (through home study course to help himself)
No running water
No bathroom - toilet, tub or shower
No central air-conditioning or heating - in southwest MS on the MS river no less
No TV
No freezer for long term food storage - refrigerator only
No 2 car family for Dad and Mom, just 1 old junky car for both parents
No fancy clothes
No fancy shoes - Nike or other popular brand at the time
No telephone - nearest phone was 4 miles down the road at a store

But we did have:

- An outhouse
- Had a keep pot (you can look that up yourself)
- A box fan mounted in the exterior wall for air movement
- Space heater for warmth in the winter - 2 in the house
- High water britches - as the year wore on and we outgrew our clothes
- Food on the table
0 - Because we had a garden for vegatables - we canned a lot
0 - Because we fished -
0 - Because we hunted for meat (deer, turkey, quail, dove, duck, geese, squirrels, rabbits and other)
0 - Because we raised chickens and pigs
Radio - that my dad built
Love in the family
Both parents
Moral compass
Christian values
Ethics

Try walking in those shoes for a mile and then see if you hold the same ignorant conclusion! Oh, wait you can't, you can't roll back time and grow up in those conditions, that ship has already sailed for you. So when those, like me or others, tell you what it was like growing up before your time, you had better get your head out of your ass and listen.

And before you ask, I knew you wouldn't, this was rhetorical, I would not trade my upbringing and the values (proven over 2000 years of history) instilled in me for anything!! My lifestyle and beliefs provide the basis of my self worth unlike you who get it from the government.

Now spew your worthless rebuttal, comrade!!

[BrunswickDawg]

Boomers got us to the moon along with the help of NAZI's we didn't hang.

No offense Jack, but the oldest Boomers were 24 when we landed on the moon. The Greatest Generation got us to the moon, after they were done kickin the Nazi's asses.

[Extendedcab]

It's simple. We kill the batman. ***

(Then we kill the rest of the rich too.) ***

But no it starts with redistribution of wealth. Flat Tax. (Yes I know Bernie has a different plan. Mine would be a true flat tax with no loop holes. That goes for business income too (NOT NET INCOME)). Free Basic Healthcare (Ability to opt out and get better coverage). Free College. Erase Student debt. Ofc you can opt out and go private (just like primary education). Legalize marijuana and tax it too. The only real social issue we should be discussing is abortion. More research into what it means to be a human and what makes a human a human. I'm strictly pro-life, but what does that mean? What does it mean to be a human and alive. (And for the other side I do believe in self-defense and that some abortions are necessary for the mother's survival.)

Make the debate about actual economic policy and not stupid social issues. Guns is the only one that's really fair to be discussed and have as a part of government debate. (It's shocking to me how many people are pro-gun and anti-marijuana. The only argument for either of them is the exact same: I like it, so the government shouldn't take it away from me if I'm not misusing it.)

Once you start working towards redistributing wealth, creating a UBI (key word BASIC, this income would not help fund vacations to the bahamas for everyone), and advancing society to more and more automation, we'll be A. more productive as a society and B. be overall happier as we've decreased the workload for people and provider more people economic viability. The steps we take from there are TBD, but that's the basic outline.

You want everybody to be alike with no exceptionalism only mediocrity with no ambition!! Take from those who can and give to those who WON'T. I don't begrudge anyone who makes more money than I do. I became an Engineer/Entrepreneur because that is what I wanted to be, I accept the salary and other incentives I have earned. If I wanted more money, then I would do something different like be a lawyer or doctor or politician, no I could not stoop that low, or some other vocation. That is one thing that makes the US great, is that YOU get to decide where in the societal ladder you want to reside. It is called FREEDOM, something you do not understand! Go comrade go!!

[Commercecomet24]

Boomers got us to the moon along with the help of NAZI's we didn't hang.

Jack I hope you know I was being sarcastic. There are great people and terrible people in everyone of these so called "generational groups".

[Gordon Gekko]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXaaCXTXsAIRMoo?format=jpg&name=large

I know when y'all like when I post positive stuff! NY is doing great! Don't look at the other part though

That sure is a scary looking graph when you don?t account for population differences.

[Gordon Gekko]

I think this salon/barber bullshit is the silliest thing we've done. Let people make a choice.

If it pleases the crown, may I please get a haircut

[Homedawg]

That sure is a scary looking graph when you don?t account for population differences.

I want to know where it came from It doesn't match JH data. I'm not saying its wrong but it doesn't match.

[dawgday166]

Boomers got us to the moon along with the help of NAZI's we didn't hang.

LOL .. That's a good one Jack.

ETA: Brunswick had a good point.

[Joebob]

Here’s what happens when you don’t follow the stay at home orders.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/07/south-carolina-woman-killed-alligator-while-doing-clients-nails/3087316001/

[Johnson85]

Here’s what happens when you don’t follow the stay at home orders.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/07/south-carolina-woman-killed-alligator-while-doing-clients-nails/3087316001/

Politicians tried to warn her of the dangers.

[msstate7]

Here’s what happens when you don’t follow the stay at home orders.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/07/south-carolina-woman-killed-alligator-while-doing-clients-nails/3087316001/

+1 to the covid19 death total

[BrunswickDawg]

LOL .. That's a good one Jack.

ETA: Brunswick had a good point.

Well, you know those damn Boomers try to take credit for everything!****

[dawgday166]

Well, you know those damn Boomers try to take credit for everything!****

Yea ... they do LOL.

[dantheman4248]

That sounds great, but defining business income is not easy. We certainly have some unjustifiable handouts buried in the tax code, but most of what people complain about being tax breaks are just normal, everyday accounting conventions. If you try to just convert it into a revenue tax, then you crush capital intensive industries, a lot of which are sort of important.

Also, this does not redistribute wealth. We have a progressive tax system right now, and moving to a flat tax would make it less progressive on average. Not necessarily a bad thing, just an FYI that it seems contrary to your stated goal.

OK. I would disagree, but Medicaid for all and people that want better coverage can opt out or buy additional coverage is fine.

We don't need free college, it's expensive enough as it is. I can't imagine how many more productive years would be wasted chasing degrees that don't make people more productive if there was no economic consequence for it. Plus this is a sop to a minority of the population that are generally more privileged than average.

Another sop to the relatively well off.

great.

I think there are relevant social issues in addition to abortion, and more research isn't going to meaningfully help resolve the issue, but yes, if people would actually respect the role of government and reduce it's scope, it would make a lot of the other social issues irrelevant or at least easier to deal with. Get out of the business of regulating marriage and just recognize civil unions and get rid of all the penalties for marriage and subsidies. For the tax code, let all allowances/deductions/income limits be double and people can choose to file as a civil union or individually. Get rid of ridiculous subsidies in social security for single earner marriages (and having multiple people claim spousal benefits for one spouse). Do that and same-sex marriage is really nobody's business. But for a lot of other social issues, and even the same-sex ones, you'd have to get out of the business of providing a lot of services (like public schools) to really get them out of the political debate.

Well, that argument and the little insignificant detail where one is protected explicitly by the constitution and the other isn't. But pulling back Raich and Wickard v. Filburn so that the Commerce clause can only be used to regulate actual interstate commerce and not intrastate marijuana business would be great.

It's extremely tough to make the numbers for UBI work even if you ignore away the political impossibility of getting rid of social security, medicare, and other welfare programs. You can't make UBI work with medicaid for all and definitely can't make it work while also taxing enough to pay for Medicaid for all and also having the federal government provide or pay for college educations.

There's a lot of good in this post. I think what it boils down to is that we have a difference of opinion on whether we should stick with something we know isn't working versus switching to something new that isn't soundproof. There isn't a perfect system. Otherwise someone would utilize it. That is the problem when someone says "let's hear your plan." They put it as "we'll break yours down too." Well no shit. There's problems with it like there is problems with what we have now. But I think it will strive us on the whole to be better. But really, the first part of any problem is...... admitting there's a problem. It's crazy how many people can't even reach that step.

To touch on the gun thing. The second amendment is just that. An amendment. It can be changed. See: Amendments 18 and 21.

[basedog]

If it pleases the crown, may I please get a haircut

Got a haircut today, she came to the house.

[basedog]

Well, you know those damn Boomers try to take credit for everything!****

You got that backward Brunswick. LOL oh I would say "women take credit, all ages"**

[dantheman4248]

.

You have no earthly idea what you are taking about. Did you live in this generation - no, but I did!! Why do you continually spew that same old self centered, pious, capitalist propaganda and outright lies as though it were the truth! You are talking through your Ass!! It is pure and simple dribble!

Here you are talking (typing) from a self-owned air conditioned and heated office/living space with food and drinks at your convinience and all the creature comforts of a King and you want to compare that to growing up in an later generation who has already gone through 2 major economic crises and will likely never as a group be able to own land or soon even inhabit parts of it? What a pompous ass!! Hardly anybody grows up with a silver spoon in their mouth, some like me and most others I know in my generation (yes, a millennial - and DAMN PROUD of it, I know from which my help cometh) came from very humble beginnings.

Compare your situation back then with:

Growing in an apartment with 1 room, maybe 600 square feet max
Manual Labor can't even provide you a living hardly anymore
Poisoned running water (Flint Michigan, 8 years strong)
Exorbitant water bills adding to the pile of debt. (Not like you can buy land and live without it.)
Paying for central air-conditioning/heating - in southwest MS on the MS river no less where it's hard to afford luxuries
Nonstop fake news being spread (from both sides)
No freezer for long term food storage - refrigerator only <--- Got me here. Man we got freezers. So lucky.
No 2 car family for Dad and Mom, just 1 old junky car for both parents if you're lucky
No fancy clothes
No fancy shoes - Nike or other popular brand at the time
Crazy telephone bills - can't do most jobs without one and the bills are outrageous while the companies break their contract and pay pennies as penalties

But we do have:

- The rich using us as an outhouse to shit all over constantly
- Can't keep pot
- A box fan mounted in the exterior wall for air movement that we rent
- Space heaters that we rent for warmth in the winter - 2 in the house that we rent
- Food on the table
0 - Because we maxed a credit card
0 - Because we couldn't afford food this month with our bills
0 - Because we can't get a decent paying job
0 - Because we were raised by selfish pricks who hoard wealth and keep everything to themselves
iPod - that my dad paid for with his credit card debt to give us tunes to drown out our sorrows
No love in the family because the generation before us made it damn near impossible to afford to even get married
Neither parent or one parent because inevitably a boomer was a PoS or their healthcare system made it unviable for one to stay with the other and if they did when that one passed they ended up miles deep in debt
Moral compass - we care about the future
Values - we actually think that other humans are... human.
Ethics - we care about people's happiness and don't try to prevent them from enjoying life.

Try walking in those shoes for a mile and then see if you hold the same ignorant conclusion! Oh, wait you can't, you can't de age yourself and grow up in those conditions, that ship has already sailed for you. So when those, like me or others, tell you what it was like growing up after your time, you had better get your head out of your ass and listen.

And before you ask, I knew you wouldn't, this was rhetorical, I would not trade my upbringing and the values (proven over 2000 years of history) instilled in me for anything!! My lifestyle and beliefs provide the basis of my self worth unlike you who get it from daddy capitalism giving you a gold nugget.

Now spew your worthless rebuttal, mr. monopoly!!

[turkish]

Dan, I assume you pay more than you?re legally required in taxes. If not, why?

[dawgday166]

- Can't keep pot


Now I'm getting why you want UBI. You wanna stay stoned all the time.

[Homedawg]

Now I'm getting why you want UBI. You wanna stay stoned all the time.

Based on his political views, and football predictions, I'd say he is stoned all the time.

[dawgday166]

Based on his political views, and football predictions, I'd say he is stoned all the time.

Seems like it's probably so .. and he barely can make ends meet on the rest. Those damn rent/mortgage, utilities, and food bills can get in the way of folks' extracurricular activities.

ETA: He actually grew up in the wrong generation. He belongs in the 60's hippies counter culture.

[Commercecomet24]

Based on his political views, and football predictions, I'd say he is stoned all the time.

I'd forgotten about his football predictions lol

Speaking of bad football predictions we need coach007 or whatever his name was to chime in on this covid situation. I'm sure it would be very insightful!

[Homedawg]

I'd forgotten about his football predictions lol

Speaking of bad football predictions we need coach007 or whatever his name was to chime in on this covid situation. I'm sure it would be very insightful!

Dan was right there w him..... except I don't think dan ever said joe was getting another year for sure and on and on and on.

[Jack Lambert]

Jack I hope you know I was being sarcastic. There are great people and terrible people in everyone of these so called "generational groups".

I'm generation X.

[BeardoMSU]

Speaking of bad football predictions we need coach007

Damn you CC!!!! Don't you know, he is summoned when you speak his name!!!**

https://media.giphy.com/media/WH8yUt23cDGda/giphy.gif

[Commercecomet24]

I'm generation X.

Me too Jack.

[Commercecomet24]

Damn you CC!!!! Don't you know, he is summoned when you speak his name!!!**

https://media.giphy.com/media/WH8yUt23cDGda/giphy.gif

Oops, my bad!

[Jack Lambert]

No offense Jack, but the oldest Boomers were 24 when we landed on the moon. The Greatest Generation got us to the moon, after they were done kickin the Nazi's asses.

don't want to get in a pissing match but in 1961 NASA partner with many universities to get newly graduated engineers and mathematician. Outside the Astronauts majority of NASA employees were 28 or younger in 1969. Just saying that the baby boomers started graduating from college in 1965. NASA wanted young men. They would be more energetic and ambitious.

[Jack Lambert]

don't want to get in a pissing match but in 1961 NASA partner with many universities to get newly graduated engineers and mathematician. Outside the Astronauts majority of NASA employees were 28 or younger in 1969. Just saying that the baby boomers started graduating from college in 1965. NASA wanted young men. They would be more energetic and ambitious.

Real Example. My cousin graduated from MC at age 20. He got his masters degree in physics from Vandy at 22. He went to Stanford for his PHD. While there he worked for NASA as a student. He is a lot smarter than me but he said there are no dumb asses working for NASA.

[Jack Lambert]

Just left Lost Pizza in Brandon. We dined in. 1. You are six feet away from other tables. 2. They will not allow more then six people per group. The room we were in only sat six groups. 3. They brought your drinks to you and you cannot refill them yourself but they continually came by and asked if you needed a refill. 4. There were no condiments on the table. You had to ask and they brought you a package. 5. I watched what they did after a group left. They wiped down the table and chairs. Then they sprayed disinfectant on the surface of table and chairs. 6. All the employees wore mask and gloves.

I felt safe eating there.

[dawgday166]

don't want to get in a pissing match but in 1961 NASA partner with many universities to get newly graduated engineers and mathematician. Outside the Astronauts majority of NASA employees were 28 or younger in 1969. Just saying that the baby boomers started graduating from college in 1965. NASA wanted young men. They would be more energetic and ambitious.

That would put those graduating in '65 at 19 years old. Nasa did have a lot of young engineers back then tho. But the rockets would have had to be designed and mostly built by the some of the Greatest Gen and the Silent Gen.

[Commercecomet24]

Just left Lost Pizza in Brandon. We dined in. 1. You are six feet away from other tables. 2. They will not allow more then six people per group. The room we were in only sat six groups. 3. They brought your drinks to you and you cannot refill them yourself but they continually came by and asked if you needed a refill. 4. There were no condiments on the table. You had to ask and they brought you a package. 5. I watched what they did after a group left. They wiped down the table and chairs. Then they sprayed disinfectant on the surface of table and chairs. 6. All the employees wore mask and gloves.

I felt safe eating there.

I took my wife out to eat tonight for her birthday at a local Mexican restaurant(the owners are friends of mine), and they were practicing the same safe things you mentioned. I felt completely safe and at ease there. Plus I want to my support my local businesses and keep them going.

[hacker]

I want to know where it came from It doesn't match JH data. I'm not saying its wrong but it doesn't match.

https://www.axios.com/us-coronavirus-italy-spain-reopening-cases-deaths-55ba1472-42a9-4806-bee0-ed50072f4326.html

It says 7 day rolling average on the chart which is probably why you're seeing the discrepancy

[Jack Lambert]

That would put those graduating in '65 at 19 years old. Nasa did have a lot of young engineers back then tho. But the rockets would have had to be designed and mostly built by the some of the Greatest Gen and the Silent Gen.

The rockets is one thing but the math to get it to the moon was something else. At Least we are not arguing politics. :)

[Jack Lambert]

I took my wife out to eat tonight for her birthday at a local Mexican restaurant(the owners are friends of mine), and they were practicing the same safe things you mentioned. I felt completely safe and at ease there. Plus I want to my support my local businesses and keep them going.

I think gradually the business is going to pick up. People will start to go out by hearing from others who have. They will start feeling safe.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Dan, I assume you pay more than you?re legally required in taxes. If not, why?


Now I'm getting why you want UBI. You wanna stay stoned all the time.


Based on his political views, and football predictions, I'd say he is stoned all the time.

Guys, I apologize. It appears that last August - I put Dantheman on the welfare tit when I gave him some vcash.

See posts #2 and #19 of the thread linked below:
https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?75737-Season-long-BYA-are-up&highlight=vcash

There is a lot pressure being the Jeff Bezos equivalent on this site, but at the time I didn't think the generosity would lead him towards having so much animosity over what others had, supporting redistribution of wealth, and want to create some sort of UBI.

Give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you'll feed for a lifetime. Again, please accept my apologies for giving a fish to someone and cultivating a socialism ideology.

Also in case you're wondering - Jack Lambert is the Warren Buffett of Elitedawgs (aka vcash godfather); w/ Scooba being Steven Mnuchin since they both create dollars out of thin air...

[Commercecomet24]

I think gradually the business is going to pick up. People will start to go out by hearing from others who have. They will start feeling safe.

I think so too. I'm like you though I've never lived my life in fear and I'm not gonna start now.

[dawgday166]

Guys, I apologize. It appears that last August - I put Dantheman on the welfare tit when I gave him some vcash.

See posts #2 and #19 of the thread linked below:
https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?75737-Season-long-BYA-are-up&highlight=vcash

There is a lot pressure being the Jeff Bezos equivalent on this site, but at the time I didn't think the generosity would lead him towards having so much animosity over what others had, supporting redistribution of wealth, and want to create some sort of UBI.

Give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you'll feed for a lifetime. Again, please accept my apologies for giving a fish to someone and cultivating a socialism ideology.

Also in case you're wondering - Jack Lambert is the Warren Buffett of Elitedawgs (aka vcash godfather); w/ Scooba being Steven Mnuchin since they both create dollars out of thin air...

So you're the source of our pain **

He probably bought some weed with it and when that dried up now he's pissed cause you didn't keep "sharing" the wealth so he could buy more weed.

[Commercecomet24]

Guys, I apologize. It appears that last August - I put Dantheman on the welfare tit when I gave him some vcash.

See posts #2 and #19 of the thread linked below:
https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?75737-Season-long-BYA-are-up&highlight=vcash

There is a lot pressure being the Jeff Bezos equivalent on this site, but at the time I didn't think the generosity would lead him towards having so much animosity over what others had, supporting redistribution of wealth, and want to create some sort of UBI.

Give a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you'll feed for a lifetime. Again, please accept my apologies for giving a fish to someone and cultivating a socialism ideology.

Also in case you're wondering - Jack Lambert is the Warren Buffett of Elitedawgs (aka vcash godfather); w/ Scooba being Steven Mnuchin since they both create dollars out of thin air...

So it's all your fault? Dang it man! Lol

[dantheman4248]

I guess I was just ahead of the curve with my football predictions because I didn't think the cojomovirus would be that bad. I was wrong on him just like so many of you were wrong here. I bought the hype and had us favorites in 8 of the 12 games. Then based on responses went for 11 wins because of the high volume of 7-8-9-10 wins. Played to be different instead of price is righting a guys passing yards. I see that some are still too thick to understand that. Probably the same group that think Jeopardy gave James H. a fair shake when his run ended.

As for y'all focusing on pot. Glad y'all are so ****ing scared of a plant. Personally i've smoked marijuana single digit times in my life. It's not my cup of tea (neither is cigarettes when feels like a 100X less potent, yet more deadly marijuana). But I don't see any real argument against it and against taxing sales on it. Let them smoke and let that help fund shit. If you aren't happy with your mental state then so be it. Don't operate heavy machinery while on it same as any other drug of that nature. Not a hard concept.

Also lmfao at grabbing one throwaway line at a whole throwaway post mocking archbishop extendedcab.You're incredibly thick if you can't see what I was doing.

Also to make fun of anyone's finances in this economy, go to hell. No that's not a joke. Literally Go. To. Hell. I can't afford to break into the housing market and I've got a "marketable" essential job. I'm helping dig my family out of the hole the healthcare system left after malpractice and the inability to sue due to Katrina destroying the viability of my father's second job and raising prices astronomically to finish building a house, and the housing crash making ultimately selling said unfinished house not able to drag us out of debt and make us bankrupt.

I watched the government fail every step of the way to help protect my family from disaster. I guess we should have been prepared for Katrina to cause a giant spike in contractor prices, the housing market to have an unprecedented crash, and my father's ridiculously rare medical condition to rear its head again, or the doctor to mess up in such a way that it harmed him in a way that was not life threatening in and of itself, but prevented future transplants from being viable and leaving him disabled even after the wound had healed. No lawyer would take the case due to how tough it was to prove and the lack of resources my family had at the time.

So maybe I've just seen the pitfalls of how society treats it's essential workers (a teacher and a healthcare worker) and the ugly reality that capitalism is dog eat dog and too zero sum. My Christian values raised me to care about others and help them. Seems a lot of people don't understand what that actually means.

And for the comment about bezos donating 100 million. Great! Now you tell me who is the more noble man. One with 100 billion who gives out 100 million and now only has 99.9 billion or one with 10 dollars who gives out a penny and only has 9.99 left. Whose donation truly hurt themselves more and was more selfless?

[Homedawg]

I guess I was just ahead of the curve with my football predictions because I didn't think the cojomovirus would be that bad. I was wrong on him just like so many of you were wrong here. I bought the hype and had us favorites in 8 of the 12 games. Then based on responses went for 11 wins because of the high volume of 7-8-9-10 wins. Played to be different instead of price is righting a guys passing yards. I see that some are still too thick to understand that. Probably the same group that think Jeopardy gave James H. a fair shake when his run ended.

As for y'all focusing on pot. Glad y'all are so ****ing scared of a plant. Personally i've smoked marijuana single digit times in my life. It's not my cup of tea (neither is cigarettes when feels like a 100X less potent, yet more deadly marijuana). But I don't see any real argument against it and against taxing sales on it. Let them smoke and let that help fund shit. If you aren't happy with your mental state then so be it. Don't operate heavy machinery while on it same as any other drug of that nature. Not a hard concept.

Also lmfao at grabbing one throwaway line at a whole throwaway post mocking archbishop extendedcab.You're incredibly thick if you can't see what I was doing.

Also to make fun of anyone's finances in this economy, go to hell. No that's not a joke. Literally Go. To. Hell. I can't afford to break into the housing market and I've got a "marketable" essential job. I'm helping dig my family out of the hole the healthcare system left after malpractice and the inability to sue due to Katrina destroying the viability of my father's second job and raising prices astronomically to finish building a house, and the housing crash making ultimately selling said unfinished house not able to drag us out of debt and make us bankrupt.

I watched the government fail every step of the way to help protect my family from disaster. I guess we should have been prepared for Katrina to cause a giant spike in contractor prices, the housing market to have an unprecedented crash, and my father's ridiculously rare medical condition to rear its head again, or the doctor to mess up in such a way that it harmed him in a way that was not life threatening in and of itself, but prevented future transplants from being viable and leaving him disabled even after the wound had healed. No lawyer would take the case due to how tough it was to prove and the lack of resources my family had at the time.

So maybe I've just seen the pitfalls of how society treats it's essential workers (a teacher and a healthcare worker) and the ugly reality that capitalism is dog eat dog and too zero sum. My Christian values raised me to care about others and help them. Seems a lot of people don't understand what that actually means.

And for the comment about bezos donating 100 million. Great! Now you tell me who is the more noble man. One with 100 billion who gives out 100 million and now only has 99.9 billion or one with 10 dollars who gives out a penny and only has 9.99 left. Whose donation truly hurt themselves more and was more selfless?

Who reads this shit anymore... a diatribe of idiocy I'm sure. Just make sure you send your extra check of your tax contribution. The govt won't turn it down. ...

[Jack Lambert]

Who reads this shit anymore... a diatribe of idiocy I'm sure. Just make sure you send your extra check of your tax contribution. The govt won't turn it down. ...

I got into the first sentence and this came to mind and I just stopped reading it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB-kcDwsWUY

[Gutter Cobreh]

I guess I was just ahead of the curve with my football predictions because I didn't think the cojomovirus would be that bad. I was wrong on him just like so many of you were wrong here. I bought the hype and had us favorites in 8 of the 12 games. Then based on responses went for 11 wins because of the high volume of 7-8-9-10 wins. Played to be different instead of price is righting a guys passing yards. I see that some are still too thick to understand that. Probably the same group that think Jeopardy gave James H. a fair shake when his run ended.

As for y'all focusing on pot. Glad y'all are so ****ing scared of a plant. Personally i've smoked marijuana single digit times in my life. It's not my cup of tea (neither is cigarettes when feels like a 100X less potent, yet more deadly marijuana). But I don't see any real argument against it and against taxing sales on it. Let them smoke and let that help fund shit. If you aren't happy with your mental state then so be it. Don't operate heavy machinery while on it same as any other drug of that nature. Not a hard concept.

Also lmfao at grabbing one throwaway line at a whole throwaway post mocking archbishop extendedcab.You're incredibly thick if you can't see what I was doing.

Also to make fun of anyone's finances in this economy, go to hell. No that's not a joke. Literally Go. To. Hell. I can't afford to break into the housing market and I've got a "marketable" essential job. I'm helping dig my family out of the hole the healthcare system left after malpractice and the inability to sue due to Katrina destroying the viability of my father's second job and raising prices astronomically to finish building a house, and the housing crash making ultimately selling said unfinished house not able to drag us out of debt and make us bankrupt.

I watched the government fail every step of the way to help protect my family from disaster. I guess we should have been prepared for Katrina to cause a giant spike in contractor prices, the housing market to have an unprecedented crash, and my father's ridiculously rare medical condition to rear its head again, or the doctor to mess up in such a way that it harmed him in a way that was not life threatening in and of itself, but prevented future transplants from being viable and leaving him disabled even after the wound had healed. No lawyer would take the case due to how tough it was to prove and the lack of resources my family had at the time.

Sounds kind of like that nail salon owner that you were ranting about earlier and how she should have saved more or she wouldn't be in the situation she finds herself in. Your words, not mine! I, on the other hand, have empathy and I feel for both your personal and her situations because it sounds like both were somewhat unforeseen

So maybe I've just seen the pitfalls of how society treats it's essential workers (a teacher and a healthcare worker) and the ugly reality that capitalism is dog eat dog and too zero sum. My Christian values raised me to care about others and help them. Seems a lot of people don't understand what that actually means.

And for the comment about bezos donating 100 million. Great! Now you tell me who is the more noble man. One with 100 billion who gives out 100 million and now only has 99.9 billion or one with 10 dollars who gives out a penny and only has 9.99 left. Whose donation truly hurt themselves more and was more selfless?

Your Christian values should have taught you that you're not in a position to judge another person while on this earth, as that is The Lord's responsibility. I was the one that referenced Bezos' donation and it was centered around whether you felt like the government would have helped those looking for food had they taxed him appropriately to have it saved up? I don't care how much money the man has accumulated, but I will tell you that his generosity helped feed people in need. That boulder you're carrying must be a heavy burden to bear. I wish you nothing but good luck moving forward.


nm

[dawgday166]

I thought the same thing about the salon owner. He'll come back and say that was sarcasm tho, we should've known that it was meant that way, and we're all idiots cause we didn't realize it was sarcasm cause we stupid old people ... regardless of what Gen we are in as long as it's prior to his Gen.

That includes Jack too ... Gen X is before his time ****

ETA: Granted ... I have empathy for what they gone thru too but don't know the whole story either. Since he's Christian I'm assuming he's read some of the Bible ... wonder if he checked out the Old Testament Book of Job.

[dantheman4248]

I thought the same thing about the salon owner. He'll come back and say that was sarcasm tho, we should've known that it was meant that way, and we're all idiots cause we didn't realize it was sarcasm cause we stupid old people ... regardless of what Gen we are in as long as it's prior to his Gen.

That includes Jack too ... Gen X is before his time ****

ETA: Granted ... I have empathy for what they gone thru too but don't know the whole story either. Since he's Christian I'm assuming he's read some of the Bible ... wonder if he checked out the Old Testament Book of Job.

It was sarcasm. How both of you didn't get that is on you. You have to be really dense to not understand I was mocking your position of capitalism is good and poor people are poor because it's their fault. Like how you have to be dense to not understand what a copy pasta is and try to pick apart throwaway lines.

It was meant to sound a lot like how "woe is me such a sad story" when something similar is why so many people fall into poverty. Not laziness.

Homedawg and Jack must both feel like that salon owner got her justice. She broke the law. Idc she had a sob story.

If you can't see the parallels and how sickening it is to act that way as a human... just hope you don't get hit with bad luck out of your control.

[dantheman4248]

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/05/06/the-covid-19-crisis-has-already-left-too-many-children-hungry-in-america/

35% of households with a child 18 or under in America are currently food insecure.

Some of you will interpret this as we need to "reopen the economy" as your solution. You don't want to face the ugly reality that this is something capitalism has allowed to happen. You don't want to think about what happens if we reopen and bodies pile up even higher because the same experts you have ridiculed along the way could be wrong about the two different strands, could be wrong that you can't recatch it, could be wrong that this won't mutate when exposed to an astronomical amount of hosts. Somehow they are infallible in that area of expertise but completely wrong with their models.

I posit solutions to prevent this to happen in both times of crises and normal times. And i'm the big bad communist. Guess I should go to Russia where they care about kids. Lord knows Christians don't care about them. That was obvious by how much covering up went into the Catholic Priests scandal.

If you don't like who I'm grouping you in with and think that I'm ridiculous for that, maybe (and just hear me out on this one ok) maybe don't ally with them?

[StateDawg44]

Nvm