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HancockCountyDog
12-19-2024, 02:07 PM
His dad is apparently an advisor as well. I do agree that he got bad advice though. I think he tried to shake Duke down and they decided they'd rather have Mensah than be shaken down by Murphy

Well that could explain it. When parents get involved, it almost never ends well if there are dollars involved. I watched a kid down this way turn down real money from the MLB to go play Juco ball because his dad was "insulted" by the low offer and that his kid would get more the following year. Spoiler alert - he didn't, and he got shelled in Juco, didn't get drafted at all and got hurt his sophomore year and was done.

Now, he didn't turn down 7 figures or anything, but he turned down solid money and a college guarantee. All because dad was pissed off.

bulldawg28
12-19-2024, 02:11 PM
Do you let someone else have access to your account? I'm genuinely asking. I swear one day it seems you want to burn the whole coaching staff to the ground, the next day or sometimes same day you seem to think we are headed in the right direction and give the coaching staff plenty of credit.

Lmao

SPMT
12-19-2024, 02:28 PM
Do you let someone else have access to your account? I'm genuinely asking. I swear one day it seems you want to burn the whole coaching staff to the ground, the next day or sometimes same day you seem to think we are headed in the right direction and give the coaching staff plenty of credit.

True

Turfdawg67
12-19-2024, 02:52 PM
I'm starting feel better about a few things. A few things are still ugly but we knew it would be tough.

Talk about bipolar. A few posts before this one "Our staff was trash". Lolz

Pancho
12-19-2024, 02:58 PM
this

StarkVegasSteve
12-19-2024, 04:09 PM
CB Demarko Williams, WKU transfer and fmr Ole Miss player, is visiting this weekend accd to Pete Nakos.

Pancho
12-19-2024, 04:33 PM
he's a safety, right?

KB21
12-19-2024, 04:39 PM
CB Demarko Williams, WKU transfer and fmr Ole Miss player, is visiting this weekend accd to Pete Nakos.

We are apparently in on Auburn transfer Darron Reed, a DT that just entered the portal.

StarkVegasSteve
12-19-2024, 04:51 PM
We are apparently in on Auburn transfer Darron Reed, a DT that just entered the portal.

Yea he's coming this weekend. Not too sure how high he is on our board.

Pancho
12-19-2024, 04:57 PM
Yea he's coming this weekend. Not too sure how high he is on our board.

does he not have a motor? his OV's out of high school are impressive.

StarkVegasSteve
12-19-2024, 05:03 PM
does he not have a motor? his OV's out of high school are impressive.

It can be a myriad of things. It could be no motor, it could be got recruited over, could be injury. Sometimes they just need a reset and they'll pop and sometimes they just aren't all that good. You hope it's the former and not the latter. I mean Trey Amos at OM is a good example. He was really good at ULL, transfers to Bama and is buried on the depth chart, transfers to OM and is going to be a 1st round pick.

TrapGame
12-19-2024, 05:03 PM
Yea he's coming this weekend. Not too sure how high he is on our board.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Just get him.

StarkVegasSteve
12-19-2024, 05:08 PM
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Just get him.

Well that's true but you don't want to end up where you are taking guys like Raydar or Khamauri Rodgers who have no hope to give you anything and are just taking up roster spots. There has to be some potential for pop there. Otherwise they are just taking the spot of someone else who could provide you something. We had about 20 guys on our defensive roster doing that this year

Todd4State
12-19-2024, 05:13 PM
It can be a myriad of things. It could be no motor, it could be got recruited over, could be injury. Sometimes they just need a reset and they'll pop and sometimes they just aren't all that good. You hope it's the former and not the latter. I mean Trey Amos at OM is a good example. He was really good at ULL, transfers to Bama and is buried on the depth chart, transfers to OM and is going to be a 1st round pick.

Could be David Turner can't evaluate players anymore.

StarkVegasSteve
12-19-2024, 05:15 PM
Could be David Turner can't evaluate players anymore.

Turner is not doing much evaluating this cycle. It's basically Coleman and Barnes. Take that info how you will.

StarkVegasSteve
12-19-2024, 05:16 PM
S Jadon Canady is transferring from OM. We need to make a run at him

TrapGame
12-19-2024, 05:20 PM
Well that's true but you don't want to end up where you are taking guys like Raydar or Khamauri Rodgers who have no hope to give you anything and are just taking up roster spots. There has to be some potential for pop there. Otherwise they are just taking the spot of someone else who could provide you something. We had about 20 guys on our defensive roster doing that this year

Are we seriously looking at some guys still in the playoffs that have interest?

StarkVegasSteve
12-19-2024, 05:28 PM
Are we seriously looking at some guys still in the playoffs that have interest?

Yes. I mean you better believe we're tampering with Tennessee and Texas guys, especially with Jason Washington's ties to Texas.

StarkVegasSteve
12-19-2024, 05:32 PM
I mean it can only help us for Jalen Smith to be talking to some of those TN guys, "Yea Mississippi State gave me a hell of an offer."

Todd4State
12-19-2024, 05:37 PM
Turner is not doing much evaluating this cycle. It's basically Coleman and Barnes. Take that info how you will.

Noted.

Cruz
12-19-2024, 05:38 PM
If Turner and Bell are not helping with recruiting and expected to be out the door, can we not move Rod Gibson and Jason Washington into roles that allow them to recruit? Even if only temporary until we get the right backfill guys?

StarkVegasSteve
12-19-2024, 05:42 PM
If Turner and Bell are not helping with recruiting and expected to be out the door, can we not move Rod Gibson and Jason Washington into roles that allow them to recruit? Even if only temporary until we get the right backfill guys?

How do you know we haven't? Do you really think it was a coincidence that JWash and Rod were in his recruiting photoshoot? It wasn't

BigDawg81
12-19-2024, 05:46 PM
Turner is not doing much evaluating this cycle. It's basically Coleman and Barnes. Take that info how you will.
I got a message earlier this afternoon that Turner is retiring and Kelly A is talking to Lebby about his future. Take it as you will

Pancho
12-19-2024, 05:46 PM
Yes. I mean you better believe we're tampering with Tennessee and Texas guys, especially with Jason Washington's ties to Texas.

what about SMU?

Pancho
12-19-2024, 05:47 PM
SMU HC is publicly complaining.

StarkVegasSteve
12-19-2024, 05:47 PM
what about SMU?

It will be hard to pry theirs away. They have well over a dozen donors who can write an 8 figure check and not know the money is missing.

Cruz
12-19-2024, 05:48 PM
Good point and good to hear. Hopefully they can help us get some more good news.

Pancho
12-19-2024, 05:51 PM
It will be hard to pry theirs away. They have well over a dozen donors who can write an 8 figure check and not know the money is missing.

wonder who he is complaining about, kiffin?

Op4isabitch
12-19-2024, 06:23 PM
What’s the scoop on Justice Finkley?

Pancho
12-19-2024, 07:04 PM
is he possibly one of the guys we are after?

Todd4State
12-19-2024, 07:16 PM
SMU HC is publicly complaining.

About what?

Pancho
12-19-2024, 07:22 PM
HC was complaining about tampering with his players

BeardoMSU
12-19-2024, 07:27 PM
HC was complaining about tampering with his players

Sorry bitch. If you ain't tampering, you ain't trying.

StarkVegasSteve
12-19-2024, 07:48 PM
What’s the scoop on Justice Finkley?

Good shot at him, but need to close.

KB21
12-19-2024, 08:33 PM
Weekend list:

Koby Keenum, C, Kentucky
Luke Petitbone, OG, Wake Forest
Justus Boone, Edge, Florida
Matthew Alexander, DL, UCF
Demarko Williams, DB, WKU
Waymond Jordan, RB, JUCO

StarkVegasSteve
12-19-2024, 09:02 PM
Weekend list:

Koby Keenum, C, Kentucky
Luke Petitbone, OG, Wake Forest
Justus Boone, Edge, Florida
Matthew Alexander, DL, UCF
Demarko Williams, DB, WKU
Waymond Jordan, RB, JUCO

Really need to close on all of these.

HoopsDawg
12-19-2024, 09:05 PM
Really need to close on all of these.

I was going to say, it looks like we need all of those guys.

bulldawg28
12-19-2024, 09:09 PM
Really need to close on all of these.

If we get all of these we're winning a minimum of 7 games

StarkVegasSteve
12-19-2024, 09:18 PM
Sategna to Oklahoma. It’s a loss but I do not believe it is a big one. We already have our slot guy with Thompson

Todd4State
12-19-2024, 09:36 PM
Sategna to Oklahoma. It’s a loss but I do not believe it is a big one. We already have our slot guy with Thompson

Whatever happened to Gipson from Arkansas Pine-Bluff? I liked him.

KB21
12-19-2024, 09:42 PM
Whatever happened to Gipson from Arkansas Pine-Bluff? I liked him.

Oklahoma as well.

SPMT
12-19-2024, 10:53 PM
If we get all of these we're winning a minimum of 7 games


Max out the NIL credit card. Whatever it takes $ wise.

HoopsDawg
12-20-2024, 12:00 AM
Sategna to Oklahoma. It’s a loss but I do not believe it is a big one. We already have our slot guy with Thompson

What is our current 2 deep at WR by position. X-slot-Z

HoopsDawg
12-20-2024, 12:08 AM
Everyone knows we need at least 2-3 legit dlinemen but I'm starting to get worried about C. Apparently we've already missed on 4 potential Centers to SMU, Arkansas, Kansas and UVA.

Pancho
12-20-2024, 07:39 AM
Isn't the UAB Center still available? Maybe we get the kentucky Center

Chuck3124
12-20-2024, 08:21 AM
The Kentucky C is Brandon Walker?s cousin fwiw. Hopefully we can land him

Cooterpoot
12-20-2024, 08:34 AM
The Kentucky C is Brandon Walker?s cousin fwiw. Hopefully we can land him

He's just depth though, not a starting guy like you'd prefer. Could be down the road.

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 09:34 AM
What is our current 2 deep at WR by position. X-slot-Z

I am not in that room with Bumphis so I don't know how he sees it. My best guess AS OF THIS MOMENT:

X: Mosely, Ricky Johson/Sanfrisco Magee

Slot: Brenan Thompson, ?

Z: Jaron Glover, Johnson/Magee


We also had 4 HS WR commits so we have to pull from. I think we're going to have a clearer picture of the WR room after the dead period. I do still believe we take 2-3 more WRs. That board is just guarded far more than any other position. If I have names I'll give them to y'all. Offense is the one thing I'm not really worried about. Because push comes to shove, we have the spring portal, and it will be far more active this year than it's ever been.

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 09:35 AM
Also, it looks like we are the favorite to land Fluff Bothwell. This will probably cause another back to jump in the portal. I don't know if it would be Daniels or Davis, but I think it's one of them.

TrapGame
12-20-2024, 09:45 AM
Also, it looks like we are the favorite to land Fluff Bothwell. This will probably cause another back to jump in the portal. I don't know if it would be Daniels or Davis, but I think it's one of them.

I love that name.

CaptainObvious
12-20-2024, 09:49 AM
Also, it looks like we are the favorite to land Fluff Bothwell. This will probably cause another back to jump in the portal. I don't know if it would be Daniels or Davis, but I think it's one of them.
Hopefully he is the next Scattebo!

Cooterpoot
12-20-2024, 10:15 AM
I'm not worrying about WR yet but man, it's been rough so far & OL misses have been a little concerning. I'd overpay for Bothwell and not blink. DL and edge is ugly so not sure what we do there. I'm assuming the Texas guys and maybe Umass but I'm scared to watch

msu15
12-20-2024, 10:40 AM
I am not in that room with Bumphis so I don't know how he sees it. My best guess AS OF THIS MOMENT:

X: Mosely, Ricky Johson/Sanfrisco Magee

Slot: Brenan Thompson, ?

Z: Jaron Glover, Johnson/Magee


We also had 4 HS WR commits so we have to pull from. I think we're going to have a clearer picture of the WR room after the dead period. I do still believe we take 2-3 more WRs. That board is just guarded far more than any other position. If I have names I'll give them to y'all. Offense is the one thing I'm not really worried about. Because push comes to shove, we have the spring portal, and it will be far more active this year than it's ever been.

This is why I don't think we should turn Kelly A away if he wanted to come back pending all this legal stuff

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 10:42 AM
This is why I don't think we should turn Kelly A away if he wanted to come back pending all this legal stuff

We wouldn't turn him away. But again, Pavia just has an injunction. There still has to be a case, and it's just for Pavia right now. I imagine there's guys that are going to wait to see what the case ends up as before they make a move. We are waiting for that as well. Booth will not be back though. He is ready to go to the NFL.

HancockCountyDog
12-20-2024, 12:20 PM
I know its been discussed, but I'm worried about the OL too. I guess how Pounders played has me spooked. I don't mind the James Madison OL for depth, but counting on him to make the jump to SEC has me worried.

I really like where we are at LB, QB and Safety and that is about it.

BigDawg81
12-20-2024, 01:22 PM
WVU WR Hudson Clement has entered the portal

51 catches for 741 yds and 5TDs

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 02:04 PM
WVU WR Hudson Clement has entered the portal

51 catches for 741 yds and 5TDs

This is why I'm not worrying about WRs. There's plenty receivers entering the portal daily and more will enter this weekend.

Chuck3124
12-20-2024, 02:13 PM
Any idea who Steve?s tweet is about?

BigDawg81
12-20-2024, 02:15 PM
Any idea who Steve?s tweet is about? hopefully it?s the Texas DT

Op4isabitch
12-20-2024, 02:19 PM
Who is about to commit? All the beat guys have their weird little memes going for us.

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 02:45 PM
Any idea who Steve?s tweet is about?

Texas DT

TrapGame
12-20-2024, 02:48 PM
Texas DT

Good get or extra body?

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 02:51 PM
Good get or extra body?

High ceiling and not too low a floor. He can definitely play at this level though. Not a Wilky Denaud situation.

bulldawg28
12-20-2024, 02:52 PM
Good get or extra body?

We're not signing "extra bodies" it's a competition to start. EVERY scholarship player is signed with the belief they have the ability to start. No university signs half their signees as being stated to be depth pieces. Either you can play or you can't. If they feel you can't you become walkons.

Op4isabitch
12-20-2024, 03:17 PM
Sydir Mitchell to LSU

Irondawg
12-20-2024, 05:19 PM
Mitchell was a big boy - no idea if he can play but would have been a nice DT prospect. I'm not going to say we're doing terribly, but a review of other SEC portal commits makes me a little less excited where we stand. We're getting better but just feels like we're not closing the gap as much as I'd like - at least on paper.

HoopsDawg
12-20-2024, 06:47 PM
Mitchell was a big boy - no idea if he can play but would have been a nice DT prospect. I'm not going to say we're doing terribly, but a review of other SEC portal commits makes me a little less excited where we stand. We're getting better but just feels like we're not closing the gap as much as I'd like - at least on paper.

I have to agree. We are missing on a bunch of players. I'm trying to be patient.

TrapGame
12-20-2024, 07:53 PM
We're not signing "extra bodies" it's a competition to start. EVERY scholarship player is signed with the belief they have the ability to start. No university signs half their signees as being stated to be depth pieces. Either you can play or you can't. If they feel you can't you become walkons.

Okay, that makes more sense.

msstate7
12-20-2024, 08:17 PM
How did Indiana lead the country in rush defense, I know they don't have big time recruits and they play in a great conference. We need to see what they're doing

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 08:18 PM
How did Indiana lead the country in rush defense, I know they don't have big time recruits and they play in a great conference. We need to see what they're doing

Look at their schedule. That should answer your question.

msstate7
12-20-2024, 08:21 PM
Look at their schedule. That should answer your question.

Ehhh... we couldn't stop the scrubs on our schedule, so I won't criticize them. Sure they didn't play a great schedule, but being #1 in rush defense still says a lot. We need to see what they do bc I know it isn't who they have

msstate7
12-20-2024, 08:23 PM
How did Indiana lead the country in rush defense, I know they don't have big time recruits and they play in a great conference. We need to see what they're doing

lol, I apologize to any Indiana fans here

HoopsDawg
12-20-2024, 08:24 PM
Look at their schedule. That should answer your question.

It always blows my mind how people can't grasp the difference in the competitive balance of schedules.

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 08:24 PM
Ehhh... we couldn't stop the scrubs on our schedule, so I won't criticize them. Sure they didn't play a great schedule, but being #1 in rush defense still says a lot. We need to see what they do bc I know it isn't who they have

98 yd house call. We already do what they do.

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 08:28 PM
It always blows my mind how people can't grasp the difference in the competitive balance of schedules.

If it was truly the BEST 12 teams, it would be 6 SEC teams, 3 Big 10 teams, Arizona State, Notre Dame, and someone out of Clemson/Miami/Colorado/Indiana/SMU.

The other 3 conferences would never accept that.Sankey screwed up ever accepting this format though.

You could convince me that AT PRESENT MOMENT, Florida could beat 4-6 of the playoff teams. They went 7-5.

msstate7
12-20-2024, 08:28 PM
It always blows my mind how people can't grasp the difference in the competitive balance of schedules.

If we played their schedule, do you think we woulda led the country in rush defense? No one is saying they played a great schedule, but they aren't good... that's the point - they aren't good, but they were good stopping the run. We should see how. I wanna emulate that scheme

DEDawg
12-20-2024, 08:29 PM
It always blows my mind how people can't grasp the difference in the competitive balance of schedules.

It blows my mind you cant realize those scrubs we are saying IU stopped are the same quality of Toledo. Its a pretty fair question

HoopsDawg
12-20-2024, 08:30 PM
If we played their schedule, do you think we woulda led the country in rush defense? No one is saying they played a great schedule, but they aren't good... that's the point - they aren't good, but they were good stopping the run. We should see how

What kind of question is that? Of course not. We were horrible.

Coursesuper
12-20-2024, 08:31 PM
Turner is not doing much evaluating this cycle. It's basically Coleman and Barnes. Take that info how you will.


Look at their schedule. That should answer your question.

We could have possibly 5 or 6 on that schedule.

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 08:33 PM
What kind of question is that? Of course not. We were horrible.

We would have probably won 5 games with their schedule. FIU,WIU,Charlotte, and Purdue. That is 4 right there. I also feel pretty confident we could beat a team QB’d by Mike Wright, he was still starting when Indiana played Northwestern. And honestly between Michigan St, UCLA, Maryland, and Washington, we probably could have found one more win.

BigDawg81
12-20-2024, 08:35 PM
I must be the lone wolf because I believe that winning your conference means something. Florida State absolutely got robbed last year.

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 08:36 PM
I must be the lone wolf because I believe that winning your conference means something. Florida State absolutely got robbed last year.

They got beat 66-3 by UGA. Even getting some of their opt outs back, they could not have crossed the 50 against Michigan. They were a house of cards being held up by a really good QB and a great defense.

BigDawg81
12-20-2024, 08:39 PM
They got beat 66-3 by UGA. Even getting some of their opt outs back, they could not have crossed the 50 against Michigan. They were a house of cards being held up by a really good QB and a great defense.
Football is about winning and that?s what they did all year long and should have gotten in.

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 08:42 PM
Football is about winning and that?s what they did all year long and should have gotten in.

Well they did not and Bama/Michigan was more entertaining. And as much as some do not want to admit it, that matters. No one wanted to see Florida St gain 14 yds of offense and get blown out by 50 in the Rose Bowl.

DEDawg
12-20-2024, 08:48 PM
Well they did not and Bama/Michigan was more entertaining. And as much as some do not want to admit it, that matters. No one wanted to see Florida St gain 14 yds of offense and get blown out by 50 in the Rose Bowl.
They got screwed by TCU embarrassing themselves in the championship year before. Committee wasn?t gonna let it happen again

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 09:21 PM
They got screwed by TCU embarrassing themselves in the championship year before. Committee wasn?t gonna let it happen again

Correct. That TCU team played the game of their lives, and still had to have Michigan’s help to win. They came back to Earth against UGA. Committee could not risk 65-7 happening again….and trust me….it would have.

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 09:24 PM
Announced Visitors for the weekend:

Darron Reed, DL-Auburn
Fluff Bothwell, RB-South Al
Emmanuel Henderson Jr, WR-Bama
Josh Moton, DB-Marshall
Dwight Lewis, DB-Marian (I think it is in Indiana)


The Lewis kid will probably be brought in to compete for a ROSTER spot in the spring.

Todd4State
12-20-2024, 09:31 PM
We would have probably won 5 games with their schedule. FIU,WIU,Charlotte, and Purdue. That is 4 right there. I also feel pretty confident we could beat a team QB’d by Mike Wright, he was still starting when Indiana played Northwestern. And honestly between Michigan St, UCLA, Maryland, and Washington, we probably could have found one more win.

Ugh. Mike Wright might have been the worst QB I have ever seen at MSU since the Croom era

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 09:36 PM
Ugh. Mike Wright might have been the worst QB I have ever seen at MSU since the Croom era

There are a lot of decisions Zach Arnett made that were signs he had no clue what he was doing. Bringing Mike Wright in should have been a nuclear alarm to the fanbase.

BigDawg81
12-20-2024, 10:25 PM
Announced Visitors for the weekend:

Darron Reed, DL-Auburn
Fluff Bothwell, RB-South Al
Emmanuel Henderson Jr, WR-Bama
Josh Moton, DB-Marshall
Dwight Lewis, DB-Marian (I think it is in Indiana)


The Lewis kid will probably be brought in to compete for a ROSTER spot in the spring.
Give me Moton and Fluff right now

DEDawg
12-20-2024, 10:59 PM
Geez ole Miss is absolutely killing it in the portal. I guess Lane is all in again next year

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 11:16 PM
Geez ole Miss is absolutely killing it in the portal. I guess Lane is all in again next year

The guys they are taking looks like he is gearing up more for 26 than 25. Akin to what he did in 22 when he loaded up for 23.

HoopsDawg
12-20-2024, 11:25 PM
Geez ole Miss is absolutely killing it in the portal. I guess Lane is all in again next year

Ole Miss may end up being better next season. Texas Tech has done well too.

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 11:42 PM
Ole Miss may end up being better next season. Texas Tech has done well too.

They will not be as good on DL, QB, or WR. Their fans can convince themselves that Simmons is better than Dart but he is not. Maybe he ends up being at that level, but I think they will be portal hunting for 26 QB. Their schedule is not ours but it will definitely be tougher next year. Their home games are USCe, Arkansas, Florida, and LSU. They have to travel to UK, UGA, OU, and us. That looks a lot touchier now than it would have looked in October. I see them between 7-9 wins.

ZedFedder
12-20-2024, 11:42 PM
They aren?t doing bad, but I wouldn?t say they are killing it either.

DEDawg
12-20-2024, 11:48 PM
They aren?t doing bad, but I wouldn?t say they are killing it either.

lol they are killing it. Saying otherwise is looking through maroon glasses

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 11:52 PM
lol they are killing it. Saying otherwise is looking through maroon glasses

Who have they gotten this year that compares to Nolan or Umanmielen last year? Or Paul? Or even Trey Amos? I think people are seeing these guys HS rankings and thinking they are on that level still. A lot of them are not.

HoopsDawg
12-20-2024, 11:52 PM
They aren?t doing bad, but I wouldn?t say they are killing it either.

They are going to end up with 4 of Arkansas's best players. A couple of former 5 star recruits. They've upgraded their Oline and RB situation. And they aren't done yet. Currently 2nd ranked portal class in the country. Not sure what you mean.

StarkVegasSteve
12-20-2024, 11:54 PM
A lot of smoke that Cam Vaughn, WR from Jax State will be visiting Sunday and he is a priority. He’s a freshman and was CUSA All Freshman.

39/620/4

DEDawg
12-20-2024, 11:55 PM
Who have they gotten this year that compares to Nolan or Umanmielen last year? Or Paul? Or even Trey Amos? I think people are seeing these guys HS rankings and thinking they are on that level still. A lot of them are not.

They are ranked #2 in the portal rankings which does not account for HS rankings, but actual transfer rankings. You can disagree with me but you are disagreeing with a lot of others as well. They are doing a killer job and it?s okay to admit they?re doing way better than we are. That?s how we get better at this, see where we can improve.

Brobi-wan
12-21-2024, 12:35 AM
They are ranked #2 in the portal rankings which does not account for HS rankings, but actual transfer rankings. You can disagree with me but you are disagreeing with a lot of others as well. They are doing a killer job and it?s okay to admit they?re doing way better than we are. That?s how we get better at this, see where we can improve.


They’re only 3 spots ahead of us. That’s not way better. We’re in the top 5 and aren’t done yet. They have to replace a lot of contributors. We’re replacing a lot of non-contributors and a couple contributors. Different situations.

Todd4State
12-21-2024, 01:46 AM
A lot of smoke that Cam Vaughn, WR from Jax State will be visiting Sunday and he is a priority. He?s a freshman and was CUSA All Freshman.

39/620/4

I saw him today on TV and I was like "we need THAT guy."

Todd4State
12-21-2024, 01:49 AM
They are ranked #2 in the portal rankings which does not account for HS rankings, but actual transfer rankings. You can disagree with me but you are disagreeing with a lot of others as well. They are doing a killer job and it?s okay to admit they?re doing way better than we are. That?s how we get better at this, see where we can improve.

Context matter too though. They have like 5-6 commits more than us. They brings their point total up.

If you look at average ours is actually comparable if not better.

That said, I think the most important thing is that we fill our needs. If we do that we should be in good shape and we can close the gap with smart moves.

Todd4State
12-21-2024, 01:50 AM
They’re only 3 spots ahead of us. That’s not way better. We’re in the top 5 and aren’t done yet. They have to replace a lot of contributors. We’re replacing a lot of non-contributors and a couple contributors. Different situations.

Both of us essentially are completely replacing our teams from last year. For different reasons. But still.

bulldawg28
12-21-2024, 07:48 AM
Ole Miss will have a HUGE drop-off from last years team. They had top 5 talent and still tanked. Not making the playoffs hurt them with those elite players

DEDawg
12-21-2024, 08:32 AM
They’re only 3 spots ahead of us. That’s not way better. We’re in the top 5 and aren’t done yet. They have to replace a lot of contributors. We’re replacing a lot of non-contributors and a couple contributors. Different situations.

All I said is they are killing it. Which they are.

DEDawg
12-21-2024, 08:34 AM
Context matter too though. They have like 5-6 commits more than us. They brings their point total up.

If you look at average ours is actually comparable if not better.

That said, I think the most important thing is that we fill our needs. If we do that we should be in good shape and we can close the gap with smart moves.

They are higher. They also have 5 four star transfers vs our 1 four star (LK)

StarkVegasSteve
12-21-2024, 08:50 AM
Would not be wholly shocked to see JJ Harrell remove his name from the portal and return. I think he thought the interest in him was stronger than it actually was. He got some bad advice and thought OM was going to pay him a bag. He is now realizing that he will either have to go mid tier P4 and learn a new system, go G5 and hope to show out, or come back here and battle for a spot.

KB21
12-21-2024, 08:58 AM
Would not be wholly shocked to see JJ Harrell remove his name from the portal and return. I think he thought the interest in him was stronger than it actually was. He got some bad advice and thought OM was going to pay him a bag. He is now realizing that he will either have to go mid tier P4 and learn a new system, go G5 and hope to show out, or come back here and battle for a spot.

He's going to have a make a move, because I think his classmates Ricky Johnson and Sanfrisco Magee are clearly ahead of him, and he's got incoming freshmen Davian Jackson, Isaiah Mitchell, Gracin Harris, and Anson Lewis to compete with now.

Cooterpoot
12-21-2024, 09:26 AM
They will not be as good on DL, QB, or WR. Their fans can convince themselves that Simmons is better than Dart but he is not. Maybe he ends up being at that level, but I think they will be portal hunting for 26 QB. Their schedule is not ours but it will definitely be tougher next year. Their home games are USCe, Arkansas, Florida, and LSU. They have to travel to UK, UGA, OU, and us. That looks a lot touchier now than it would have looked in October. I see them between 7-9 wins.

OM has two easy schedules the SEC gave them and they're going after it as they should. After next season when that schedule flips, it can't be as easy for them. If they miss the playoffs again, Lane might as well leave.

StarkVegasSteve
12-21-2024, 09:32 AM
OM has two easy schedules the SEC gave them and they're going after it as they should. After next season when that schedule flips, it can't be as easy for them. If they miss the playoffs again, Lane might as well leave.

I have heard he is chasing 3 NFL jobs right now. Saints, Giants, and Bears.

TrapGame
12-21-2024, 09:47 AM
I have heard he is chasing 3 NFL jobs right now. Saints, Giants, and Bears.

I know an ex-Saint. Can't say who or how b/c of HIPPA. He told me a couple of weeks ago that Lane is lobbying HARD for the Saint's job. There is interest but they are also looking at a couple of guys with more NFL coaching experience.

Bdawg
12-21-2024, 09:55 AM
I know an ex-Saint. Can't say who or how b/c of HIPPA. He told me a couple of weeks ago that Lane is lobbying HARD for the Saint's job. There is interest but they are also looking at a couple of guys with more NFL coaching experience.

Be nice for him to leave at the start of the next portal cycle and teams poach the heck out of them. One can hope for a Christmas miracle!!

msstate7
12-21-2024, 09:57 AM
I know an ex-Saint. Can't say who or how b/c of HIPPA. He told me a couple of weeks ago that Lane is lobbying HARD for the Saint's job. There is interest but they are also looking at a couple of guys with more NFL coaching experience.

As a saints fan, I wouldn't hate it.

Bdawg
12-21-2024, 09:58 AM
Texas DT

Any word on this guy? Weren?t we getting tweets about him from our writers?

Edit: I guess this was Mitchell who promptly went to LSU after our writers tweeted.

Bdawg
12-21-2024, 10:04 AM
Weekend list:

Koby Keenum, C, Kentucky
Luke Petitbone, OG, Wake Forest
Justus Boone, Edge, Florida
Matthew Alexander, DL, UCF
Demarko Williams, DB, WKU
Waymond Jordan, RB, JUCO


Announced Visitors for the weekend:

Darron Reed, DL-Auburn
Fluff Bothwell, RB-South Al
Emmanuel Henderson Jr, WR-Bama
Josh Moton, DB-Marshall
Dwight Lewis, DB-Marian (I think it is in Indiana)


The Lewis kid will probably be brought in to compete for a ROSTER spot in the spring.

Who showed up out of these lists?

StarkVegasSteve
12-21-2024, 10:19 AM
Any word on this guy? Weren?t we getting tweets about him from our writers?

Edit: I guess this was Mitchell who promptly went to LSU after our writers tweeted.

No it is Bledsoe. He is going to “officially” announce Sunday. But he committed to the staff yesterday.

StarkVegasSteve
12-21-2024, 10:20 AM
Who showed up out of these lists?

All but the Wake guy showed up yesterday. All guys have shown up for todays. Our offer to Moton will be STRONG. Same with Bothwell.

StarkVegasSteve
12-21-2024, 10:26 AM
He's going to have a make a move, because I think his classmates Ricky Johnson and Sanfrisco Magee are clearly ahead of him, and he's got incoming freshmen Davian Jackson, Isaiah Mitchell, Gracin Harris, and Anson Lewis to compete with now.

Our coaches are EXTREMELY HIGH on Johnson and Magee. They love Johnson and think he could be a breakout guy this year.

HoopsDawg
12-21-2024, 10:26 AM
All but the Wake guy showed up yesterday. All guys have shown up for today's Our offer to Moton will be STRONG. Same with Bothwell.

That's 2 starters if we land them.

Bdawg
12-21-2024, 10:27 AM
No it is Bledsoe. He is going to “officially” announce Sunday. But he committed to the staff yesterday.

Good deal. What’s his size and ability?

StarkVegasSteve
12-21-2024, 10:29 AM
I know an ex-Saint. Can't say who or how b/c of HIPPA. He told me a couple of weeks ago that Lane is lobbying HARD for the Saint's job. There is interest but they are also looking at a couple of guys with more NFL coaching experience.

I had some conversations with Mike Detillier a few weeks ago and he confirmed this. Said he is behind some people. Said Joe Brady is the favorite for the job.

Bdawg
12-21-2024, 10:30 AM
All but the Wake guy showed up yesterday. All guys have shown up for todays. Our offer to Moton will be STRONG. Same with Bothwell.

Thanks. Don’t let them leave without a deal!!!

StarkVegasSteve
12-21-2024, 10:30 AM
Good deal. What’s his size and ability?

6’4 290. He could pop. Got injured in HS and got buried on the depth chart at Texas. He is fully healthy now but like I said, got buried on the depth chart. I think he could be really good though.

KB21
12-21-2024, 10:42 AM
I had some conversations with Mike Detillier a few weeks ago and he confirmed this. Said he is behind some people. Said Joe Brady is the favorite for the job.

I think a wild card for Lane Kiffin if he does desire to go to the NFL is the Miami Dolphins. Now, I don't think they will actually fire Mike McDaniel. That would be incredibly stupid, IMO, even with the down season they have had this year. However, if they did fire him, I think Lane would absolutely jump at the chance to coach Tua Tagovailoa in the NFL. Plus, Miami fits his lifestyle.

KB21
12-21-2024, 10:43 AM
Things may be trending well with Will Whitson right now.

Pancho
12-21-2024, 10:48 AM
he's a good one

StarkVegasSteve
12-21-2024, 10:54 AM
Things may be trending well with Will Whitson right now.

Hearing the same. He would be a REALLY BIG get.

StarkVegasSteve
12-21-2024, 10:56 AM
I think a wild card for Lane Kiffin if he does desire to go to the NFL is the Miami Dolphins. Now, I don't think they will actually fire Mike McDaniel. That would be incredibly stupid, IMO, even with the down season they have had this year. However, if they did fire him, I think Lane would absolutely jump at the chance to coach Tua Tagovailoa in the NFL. Plus, Miami fits his lifestyle.

That is one of the two jobs he openly covets. He would take a massive pay cut to coach the Dolphins or the Bucs. Dolphins because of Miami and Bucs because of Monte. He sees the Saints job as a way to A) get into the NFL again and B) not piss off the OM fanbase too much by going to a team a lot of them support. I will give Lane this, he realizes that Ole Miss took a massive chance on him and he definitely is grateful for that.

StarkVegasSteve
12-21-2024, 10:59 AM
Does not appear that Emmanuel Henderson Jr will end up visiting. Not really a bad thing tbh. He is a converted RB that really cannot get on the field at Bama. Cam Vaughn agreeing to a visit also had something to do with this I believe.

Pancho
12-21-2024, 11:05 AM
what is the word on fluff botwell and how does he rate head to head with these other RB's we are looking at?

DEDawg
12-21-2024, 11:13 AM
Does not appear that Emmanuel Henderson Jr will end up visiting. Not really a bad thing tbh. He is a converted RB that really cannot get on the field at Bama. Cam Vaughn agreeing to a visit also had something to do with this I believe.
Do we have a plan at WR besides waiting for the mystery playoff players to enter the portal? I know Bump is playing it close but WR room is concerning as of today

StarkVegasSteve
12-21-2024, 01:41 PM
Do we have a plan at WR besides waiting for the mystery playoff players to enter the portal? I know Bump is playing it close but WR room is concerning as of today

Well Cam Vaughn from Jax State is visiting tomorrow. He was their leading receiver.

KB21
12-21-2024, 01:56 PM
I?m curious to see if we take Bothwell and Jordan.

chef dixon
12-21-2024, 02:11 PM
Bledsoe official

Lane ain't leaving guys. He's locking into the Oxford community. I think his ex wife is moving there to be near the kids too

Bothrops
12-21-2024, 03:22 PM
They are higher. They also have 5 four star transfers vs our 1 four star (LK)

This is where things go off the rails a bit. The transfer rankings are highly factored by politics. Case in point, we have an All SEC freshman LB that would be a 4 star if he'd chosen Ole Miss.

DEDawg
12-21-2024, 03:46 PM
This is where things go off the rails a bit. The transfer rankings are highly factored by politics. Case in point, we have an All SEC freshman LB that would be a 4 star if he'd chosen Ole Miss.

Nope, nobody transfer rankings changed after commitment.

Todd4State
12-21-2024, 04:27 PM
This is where things go off the rails a bit. The transfer rankings are highly factored by politics. Case in point, we have an All SEC freshman LB that would be a 4 star if he'd chosen Ole Miss.

Our rankings also don't include Burroughs but he is essentially portal addition.

The most important thing is to meet our needs. We are doing that. And unless we tank the last half of the portal season we should be a much better team than last year.

Without question the defense is already better.

Todd4State
12-21-2024, 04:28 PM
Bledsoe official

Lane ain't leaving guys. He's locking into the Oxford community. I think his ex wife is moving there to be near the kids too

Only a matter of time before a NFL team gives him an opportunity. May not be this year eventually it will happen.

Pancho
12-21-2024, 04:52 PM
I know Knox is coming to supposedly be the QB at oxford high and all but I doubt it lasts for 4 more full season there in oxfart. maybe i am wrong.

msu15
12-21-2024, 04:55 PM
Another thread derailed by the OM obsession smfh.

Cowbell
12-21-2024, 04:55 PM
Bledsoe official

Lane ain't leaving guys. He's locking into the Oxford community. I think his ex wife is moving there to be near the kids too
This is correct. She just bought a place there - he ain't leaving til his boy graduates HS

Bothrops
12-21-2024, 05:49 PM
Nope, nobody transfer rankings changed after commitment.

Sure they do. Some are unranked by some services when they commit, then get ranked accordingly.

Bothrops
12-21-2024, 05:57 PM
Our rankings also don't include Burroughs but he is essentially portal addition.

The most important thing is to meet our needs. We are doing that. And unless we tank the last half of the portal season we should be a much better team than last year.

Without question the defense is already better.

Things are certainly looking promising on that front. I was never really on the fire Hutzler brigade. I need to see SEC players first.

Brobi-wan
12-21-2024, 05:59 PM
Another thread derailed by the OM obsession smfh.

My ole Miss friends tweet about every player leaving state. Literally every one. They are no different than most of the people here.

CaptainObvious
12-21-2024, 06:18 PM
My ole Miss friends tweet about every player leaving state. Literally every one. They are no different than most of the people here.

Sounds like you need new friends. I don't have any Ole Miss Friends. I have acquaintances and a few relatives that are Ole Miss Fans. But not Friends!

Brobi-wan
12-21-2024, 06:28 PM
Sounds like you need new friends. I don't have any Ole Miss Friends. I have acquaintances and a few relatives that are Ole Miss Fans. But not Friends!

I cannot disagree with you there. Ha!

StarkVegasSteve
12-21-2024, 09:06 PM
Cam Vaughn has been confirmed for a visit. Bump needs to finish the job on that one.

Todd4State
12-21-2024, 09:22 PM
Cam Vaughn has been confirmed for a visit. Bump needs to finish the job on that one.

For real. OL and WR are becoming bigger needs than almost any position group on defense now.

Pancho
12-21-2024, 10:04 PM
Cam will have 3 years to play. yikes

Really Clark?
12-21-2024, 10:55 PM
Cam will have 3 years to play. yikes

This is his only 2 year of playing WR. He was a QB in HS. He is on the upswing if he keeps developing and working.

RezDog7
12-22-2024, 01:07 PM
Cam Vaughn has been confirmed for a visit. Bump needs to finish the job on that one.
Wrong

Really Clark?
12-22-2024, 01:38 PM
Wrong

Come on dude. He was not wrong when he posted that. Cam and his agent have been in contact with the staff multiple times and decided to push it back to have more time to visit. But he was not wrong that he had originally confirmed he was coming late today.

StarkVegasSteve
12-22-2024, 01:51 PM
Not a huge deal on Vaughn. He and the agent pushed back the visit. He will still visit though.

RezDog7
12-22-2024, 02:06 PM
Come on dude. He was not wrong when he posted that. Cam and his agent have been in contact with the staff multiple times and decided to push it back to have more time to visit. But he was not wrong that he had originally confirmed he was coming late today.

I understand that, I've just come to expect the worst at this point. Maybe I read these boards too much.

Todd4State
12-22-2024, 02:26 PM
If you want to know who is killing it in the portal it's LSU. Losing that QB to Michigan really shook them and now they're overspending. That's how they got MVB. I don't know how they don't have the top portal class.

Young dawg
12-22-2024, 02:42 PM
If you want to know who is killing it in the portal it's LSU. Losing that QB to Michigan really shook them and now they're overspending. That's how they got MVB. I don't know how they don't have the top portal class.

Looking at the guys they have brought in, I also do not know how they are not the number 1 portal class. I think they are a real contender next year.

bigbub50
12-22-2024, 04:12 PM
Keenum center from Kentucky commits. Will be a redshirt sophomore next year. Says he appeared in 11 games. I wonder if that was meaningful snaps on offense or field goal team.

Really Clark?
12-22-2024, 04:16 PM
Keenum center from Kentucky commits. Will be a redshirt sophomore next year. Says he appeared in 11 games. I wonder if that was meaningful snaps on offense or field goal team.

He was the backup to a redshirt Senior who will go to the NFL. Mostly played special teams but he did get some time on offense.

HoopsDawg
12-22-2024, 04:29 PM
Looking at the guys they have brought in, I also do not know how they are not the number 1 portal class. I think they are a real contender next year.

Well, they are 2 with only 13 transfers. Texas Tech has 17. So LSU is the real 1.

HoopsDawg
12-22-2024, 04:31 PM
He was the backup to a redshirt Senior who will go to the NFL. Mostly played special teams but he did get some time on offense.

I guess he will compete with Canon Boone for starting C. Not sure why he decided to transfer with the starter at UK graduating.

bigbub50
12-22-2024, 04:32 PM
He was the backup to a redshirt Senior who will go to the NFL. Mostly played special teams but he did get some time on offense.

He has had 2 years to marinate in a sec program which is key for o lineman. He had tons of offers out of high school. From Alabama. And he practiced against some hosses. Kentucky had a stud or 2 on d line.

Really Clark?
12-22-2024, 04:35 PM
I guess he will compete with Canon Boone for starting C. Not sure why he decided to transfer with the starter at UK graduating.

Get back closer to home. He has family in West Point too.

Todd4State
12-22-2024, 04:46 PM
I guess he will compete with Canon Boone for starting C. Not sure why he decided to transfer with the starter at UK graduating.

I thought Boone left?

Todd4State
12-22-2024, 04:48 PM
He has had 2 years to marinate in a sec program which is key for o lineman. He had tons of offers out of high school. From Alabama. And he practiced against some hosses. Kentucky had a stud or 2 on d line.

I like the fact that he has three years left. We have some really solid young o-line prospects I must say. Malik Ellis, Jimothy Lewis, Luke Work, and now Keenum. Should be a really strong unit by 2027.

Turfdawg67
12-22-2024, 04:51 PM
Another thread derailed by the LSU obsession smfh. ****

Really Clark?
12-22-2024, 05:00 PM
Another OL possible today

StarkVegasSteve
12-22-2024, 05:02 PM
Really like what I am hearing on Josh Moten as well as Fluff Bothwell.

HoopsDawg
12-22-2024, 05:04 PM
Really like what I am hearing on Josh Moten as well as Fluff Bothwell.

Need 'em both.

Todd4State
12-22-2024, 05:05 PM
Another OL possible today

Carson Lee from Eastern Michigan? Looks like he started out at Colorado and got Prime Timed. Started at guard and center it looks like to me.

Really Clark?
12-22-2024, 05:09 PM
Carson Lee from Eastern Michigan? Looks like he started out at Colorado and got Prime Timed. Started at guard and center it looks like to me.

Yes. He has played a lot.

StarkVegasSteve
12-22-2024, 05:23 PM
Carson Lee from Eastern Michigan? Looks like he started out at Colorado and got Prime Timed. Started at guard and center it looks like to me.

That would be him. Seems VERY very likely he will commit before the night is over. Played a ton of football

KB21
12-22-2024, 05:47 PM
Looks like we are in the driver?s seat for Darron Reed as well.

BigDawg81
12-22-2024, 06:48 PM
Did the EMU OL commit? There is a new commit and I think it might be him.

Todd4State
12-22-2024, 07:05 PM
Looks like we are in the driver?s seat for Darron Reed as well.

Another player with three years left. Initially committed to Georgia out of high school before flipping.

Really Clark?
12-22-2024, 07:13 PM
Did the EMU OL commit? There is a new commit and I think it might be him.

It's not him although he very well could tonight as well. Syllia is the guy

BigDawg81
12-22-2024, 07:17 PM
It's not him although he very well could tonight as well. Syllia is the guy
That?s a great get

StarkVegasSteve
12-22-2024, 07:22 PM
Syllia is a pretty good get. I will give the staff this, they are completely revamping the D. That I respect.

StarkVegasSteve
12-22-2024, 07:26 PM
I expect we'll get one more commit before the night is over. Possibility we get 2.

RisperDawg
12-22-2024, 07:31 PM
Syllia is a pretty good get. I will give the staff this, they are completely revamping the D. That I respect.

Man, thanks so much for not only posting here about targets and commits but also updating your OP. Makes it a whole lot easier to understand who is who and their positions.

CaptainObvious
12-22-2024, 07:32 PM
It's been a really good weekend Tater!

msu15
12-22-2024, 07:38 PM
Trenches, trenches, trenches. Big thumbs up

HoopsDawg
12-22-2024, 07:54 PM
That?s a great get

Why is he a great get? Not knocking him, just curious. I'm seeing 6 tackles this year. 26 in 3 years.

Cowbell
12-22-2024, 07:59 PM
Syllia is a pretty good get. I will give the staff this, they are completely revamping the D. That I respect.

We will all get a lot of questions answered about our defensive staff pretty quick next season

BigDawg81
12-22-2024, 08:09 PM
Why is he a great get? Not knocking him, just curious. I'm seeing 6 tackles this year. 26 in 3 years. he?s definitely an SEC talent and probably behind some studs at Texas A&M. We didn?t have SEC talent on defense this year. Now, we do. That?s why I say it is a good get

KB21
12-22-2024, 08:21 PM
he?s definitely an SEC talent and probably behind some studs at Texas A&M. We didn?t have SEC talent on defense this year. Now, we do. That?s why I say it is a good get

Agreed. Malick Sylla was the 64th best player in the 2022 class with a 96 grade per 247. Texas A&M had the top overall class that year. He's played behind some studs there, so he doesn't have as many snaps as you would expect from a player rated as highly as he was.

Justice Finkley is a potential addition. He was rated the 107th best prospect in the 2022 class with a 94 grade by 247.

Brennan Thompson was #135 with a 94 grade per 247.

StarkVegasSteve
12-22-2024, 08:28 PM
Carson Lee has committed. A really good get. Probably going to be the plug and play Center for next year.

StarkVegasSteve
12-22-2024, 08:31 PM
I'm not as confident on this one, but there is a possibility we aren't done tonight.

StarkVegasSteve
12-22-2024, 08:32 PM
Man, thanks so much for not only posting here about targets and commits but also updating your OP. Makes it a whole lot easier to understand who is who and their positions.

No problem. It's a lot to keep up with to say the least. I try to update it as much as I can.

Coursesuper
12-22-2024, 08:37 PM
I'm not as confident on this one, but there is a possibility we aren't done tonight.

Fluff?

Really Clark?
12-22-2024, 08:42 PM
Fluff?

He is gonna wait til Christmas, unless he changes his mind before.

BigDawg81
12-22-2024, 08:51 PM
He is gonna wait til Christmas, unless he changes his mind before.
Moton or the Coastal Carolina DT

Todd4State
12-22-2024, 09:06 PM
He is gonna wait til Christmas, unless he changes his mind before.

That always goes well for MSU.**

BigDawg81
12-22-2024, 09:24 PM
That always goes well for MSU.**Haha, who was that? I think he now at his 5th school now

Todd4State
12-22-2024, 09:26 PM
Haha, who was that? I think he now at his 5th school now

I can't even remember. I think he ended up at Florida at one point in time.

BigDawg81
12-22-2024, 09:30 PM
I can't even remember. I think he ended up at Florida at one point in time.
Jadarrius Perkins

SPMT
12-22-2024, 09:31 PM
he?s definitely an SEC talent and probably behind some studs at Texas A&M. We didn?t have SEC talent on defense this year. Now, we do. That?s why I say it is a good get

No shit!

This whining is pitiful. How many stud, starting players ever transfer without a coaching change?.? The answer is, very very few.

Getting people that are athletic and on an SEC roster means they have the talent. What can we bitch about that?

basedog
12-22-2024, 09:45 PM
Lebby has improved our rooster. Him being a rookie HC last year, I expect he will be a much better HC in year two. I like his demeanor and calmness.

confucius say
12-22-2024, 09:45 PM
lol they are killing it. Saying otherwise is looking through maroon glasses

Then so are we.
They are third. We are sixth.
And they have one more commit than we do.
Their average player is 88.50. Ours is 87.18.

https://247sports.com/Season/2025-Football/TransferTeamRankings/

DEDawg
12-22-2024, 09:45 PM
No shit!

This whining is pitiful. How many stud, starting players ever transfer without a coaching change?.? The answer is, very very few.

Getting people that are athletic and on an SEC roster means they have the talent. What can we bitch about that?

Literally nobody is whining what are you talking about

DEDawg
12-22-2024, 09:47 PM
Then so are we.
They are third. We are sixth.
And they have one more commit than we do.
Their average player is 88.50. Ours is 87.18.

https://247sports.com/Season/2025-Football/TransferTeamRankings/

Yes we are. If we can close on a few more DT to eat up run gaps, one more DB starter, and a legit tackle we are in great shape next year to win 6

Edit: I?ll add WR to that list too. If we kept Coleman I?d be pretty happy with that group.

StarkVegasSteve
12-22-2024, 09:49 PM
Moton or the Coastal Carolina DT

Whitsen and Finkley we feel really confident on. I thought it might be one of them. We are pretty confident on Moten and Fluff but you just never know with RBs. He definitely has a better chance to start here though.

bulldawg28
12-22-2024, 09:51 PM
Yes we are. If we can close on a few more DT to eat up run gaps, one more DB starter, and a legit tackle we are in great shape next year to win 6

Edit: I?ll add WR to that list too. If we kept Coleman I?d be pretty happy with that group.

A few? We have enough now. Don't forget we signed guys and red shirted others.

DEDawg
12-22-2024, 09:54 PM
A few? We have enough now. Don't forget we signed guys and red shirted others.

Huh? Maybe at edge. We need 2 more DT that can play. Running backup level dudes as your starters again next year is a death sentence

Chuck3124
12-22-2024, 10:07 PM
Do we still feel good about Finkley with Steve crystal ball Thomas and Whitson to us?

KB21
12-22-2024, 10:17 PM
I?m still watching to see if Denver Harris jumps into the portal. If he does, I think we can get him.

ZedFedder
12-22-2024, 10:24 PM
JJ Harrell to Arkansas State. Really bad move by him to leave.

DEDawg
12-22-2024, 10:25 PM
JJ Harrell to Arkansas State. Really bad move by him to leave.

Embarrassing

Homedawg
12-22-2024, 10:47 PM
JJ Harrell to Arkansas State. Really bad move by him to leave.

He wasn't begged to stay ....but he could have

CaptainObvious
12-22-2024, 10:53 PM
He wasn't begged to stay ....but he could have

Harrell is an example of someone not wanting to wait their turn and then ending up worse off than if they had waited their turn.

HoopsDawg
12-22-2024, 10:56 PM
Huh? Maybe at edge. We need 2 more DT that can play. Running backup level dudes as your starters again next year is a death sentence

Don't we need a nose tackle to plug the A gap in our 3-4?

CaptainObvious
12-22-2024, 11:02 PM
I hope we move to a 3-4 or even a 4-3 if we have quick, fast, and in a hurry edge guys!

KB21
12-22-2024, 11:13 PM
I hope we move to a 3-4 or even a 4-3 if we have quick, fast, and in a hurry edge guys!

I said it in another thread, but you aren't going to see any team run a straight 3-4 or 4-3 more than 20-25% of the time. Everyone runs some form of a nickel defense as their base defense. It's a lot harder to defend spread formations from a 4-3 or a 3-4.

SPMT
12-22-2024, 11:16 PM
I said it in another thread, but you aren't going to see any team run a straight 3-4 or 4-3 more than 20-25% of the time. Everyone runs some form of a nickel defense as their base defense. It's a lot harder to defend spread formations from a 4-3 or a 3-4.

Fact. Saban, Kirby, everyone is running more of a nickel as the majority defense.

KB21
12-22-2024, 11:19 PM
Fact. Saban, Kirby, everyone is running more of a nickel as the majority defense.

Saban tree coaches run a lot of dime as well.

DEDawg
12-22-2024, 11:22 PM
I said it in another thread, but you aren't going to see any team run a straight 3-4 or 4-3 more than 20-25% of the time. Everyone runs some form of a nickel defense as their base defense. It's a lot harder to defend spread formations from a 4-3 or a 3-4.

Few years away for sure but I think this changes back. You see this in the NFL now there are no more 40 TD 4500 yard passers like there was for a good stretch the past decade. Offensives are adapting back to RBs being important since defenses went small with an extra DB. We will see another Ashton Jeanty season soon

Cooterpoot
12-22-2024, 11:24 PM
Syllia is a pretty good get. I will give the staff this, they are completely revamping the D. That I respect.

I wouldn't say revamping, I'd call it roster building. Obviously LB is revamped but not a lot of difference makers other than our safety spot. But that roster had to be built up and this is pretty much year one for Lebby. Need to finish strong before I can say we've really revamped but the roster is better.

Cooterpoot
12-22-2024, 11:25 PM
Harrell is an example of someone not wanting to wait their turn and then ending up worse off than if they had waited their turn.

He wasn't very good either

SPMT
12-22-2024, 11:26 PM
Few years away for sure but I think this changes back. You see this in the NFL now there are no more 40 TD 4500 yard passers like there was for a good stretch the past decade. Offensives are adapting back to RBs being important since defenses went small with an extra DB. We will see another Ashton Jeanty season soon

Possible. Only thing that could stop more of that is the harsh rules in pass coverage , so it incentivizes teams to throw more. Plus the game is boring when its 10-7 with 15 passes.

KB21
12-22-2024, 11:32 PM
Few years away for sure but I think this changes back. You see this in the NFL now there are no more 40 TD 4500 yard passers like there was for a good stretch the past decade. Offensives are adapting back to RBs being important since defenses went small with an extra DB. We will see another Ashton Jeanty season soon

Eh, I doubt it. I think what you will see is these offensive minded coaches figure out a way to throw the ball efficiently against two high. I think this "renewed" importance of the RB is just a blip on the radar.

bulldawg28
12-22-2024, 11:38 PM
Huh? Maybe at edge. We need 2 more DT that can play. Running backup level dudes as your starters again next year is a death sentence

You act as if we have 0 DT's on the team. Only 4 will play on Saturday, 5 max. If you're not the starter you're a backup. They're not many Chris Jones, Fletcher Cox, and Jeffrey Simmons walking around. We've been blessed to have signed generational talent. However, we're not far off.

SPMT
12-22-2024, 11:41 PM
You act as if we have 0 DT's on the team. Only 4 will play on Saturday, 5 max. If you're not the starter you're a backup. They're not many Chris Jones, Fletcher Cox, and Jeffrey Simmons walking around. We've been blessed to have signed generational talent. However, we're not far off.

Yeah, all three should probably make HOF and two will. That?s unheard of in a span of 10 years, certainly unheard of at State.

DEDawg
12-22-2024, 11:48 PM
Eh, I doubt it. I think what you will see is these offensive minded coaches figure out a way to throw the ball efficiently against two high. I think this "renewed" importance of the RB is just a blip on the radar.

Look at the NFL. It?s literally happening now. There was a massive devalue of the RB position and now we are back to the norm. Mahomes isnt throwing for 4000 yards a season anymore. The best QBs are dual threat guys now because defenses have adapted. It isnt just about 2 high, its about the overall speed and smaller players on the field, you exploit that with the power game. Big reason why the Eagles are 12-2 with a QB who can?t really throw

DEDawg
12-22-2024, 11:49 PM
You act as if we have 0 DT's on the team. Only 4 will play on Saturday, 5 max. If you're not the starter you're a backup. They're not many Chris Jones, Fletcher Cox, and Jeffrey Simmons walking around. We've been blessed to have signed generational talent. However, we're not far off.

I hateeeeee when I see this argument trying to insinuate that I am talking about guys who are NFL All Pros. That is obviously not what I?m saying.

You made my point in your post by saying if you aren?t a starter you are a backup.

bulldawg28
12-23-2024, 12:10 AM
I hateeeeee when I see this argument trying to insinuate that I am talking about guys who are NFL All Pros. That is obviously not what I?m saying.

You made my point in your post by saying if you aren?t a starter you are a backup.

What I'm saying is I believe we have signed starters and we have the other 2 on the roster. Anything else is just gravy.

DEDawg
12-23-2024, 12:14 AM
What I'm saying is I believe we have signed starters and we have the other 2 on the roster. Anything else is just gravy.

Fair enough. I don?t personally think we have gotten anyone we can count on as a starter but I?ll trust the coaches if they think they can roll with our current group.

CaptainObvious
12-23-2024, 12:18 AM
Fair enough. I don?t personally think we have gotten anyone we can count on as a starter but I?ll trust the coaches if they think they can roll with our current group.

Good call. Because the coaches are the ones who will fall on their swords if they continue to try and play SEC football with Delta State talent.

Todd4State
12-23-2024, 12:25 AM
Few years away for sure but I think this changes back. You see this in the NFL now there are no more 40 TD 4500 yard passers like there was for a good stretch the past decade. Offensives are adapting back to RBs being important since defenses went small with an extra DB. We will see another Ashton Jeanty season soon

Come again? Joe Burrow literally has 39 TD passes and 4K yards right now. Lamar Jackson the poster boy for mobile QB's has 37 TD passes and 3787.

The biggest thing about running backs is they're going to have to be guys that can run and catch for the most part. Alvin Kamara types that are essentially athletes. Typically RB's that are going to get between 2-6 catches a game.

Todd4State
12-23-2024, 12:30 AM
Eh, I doubt it. I think what you will see is these offensive minded coaches figure out a way to throw the ball efficiently against two high. I think this "renewed" importance of the RB is just a blip on the radar.

I remember Holmgren and the 49ers beating it by running a bunch of posts in Super Bowl 24. It was pretty much a TD every time they wanted it to be.

DEDawg
12-23-2024, 12:31 AM
Come again? Joe Burrow literally has 39 TD passes and 4K yards right now. Lamar Jackson the poster boy for mobile QB's has 37 TD passes and 3787.

The biggest thing about running backs is they're going to have to be guys that can run and catch for the most part. Alvin Kamara types that are essentially athletes. Typically RB's that are going to get between 2-6 catches a game.

And the bengals will miss the playoffs. Yes of course it’s still going to happen but it’s clear the NFL offensive minds are moving away from it. Burrow might get to 4500 and maybe Goff

Todd4State
12-23-2024, 12:34 AM
What I'm saying is I believe we have signed starters and we have the other 2 on the roster. Anything else is just gravy.

And it doesn't sound like we're quite done yet either. If we can land Whitson to go along with Bledsoe and Burroughs that is a STRONG DT portal class. We also added Hibbler at DE who had 6.5 sacks in 2023 before redshirting this year and with all of these EDGE guys we're bringing in I feel certain one of them will be a hybrid DE/OLB guy.

Todd4State
12-23-2024, 12:43 AM
And the bengals will miss the playoffs. Yes of course it’s still going to happen but it’s clear the NFL offensive minds are moving away from it. Burrow might get to 4500 and maybe Goff

There are more teams throwing the ball 60%+ than ever. Almost every team is at 50% and most of the ones under 50% are at 48%. None of that says running back resurgence to me.

Also, those numbers include designed QB runs and scrambles so even the teams at 48% are probably around 50% in terms of play calling.

Yes, QB's are more mobile than ever but they use their legs as an emergency escape option and to extend plays which are of course passing plays.

And as I said running backs are really becoming more utility players than true running backs. Meaning guys that can catch and run the ball. The John Riggins in the NFL are just as extinct as the Dan Marino's.

Also, I don't think the QB's are nearly as good either. Back in the 2000's you had Brady, Favre, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Peyton, Kurt Warner, Brees, etc. Right now it's Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and who else? Dak? You also had guys like Montana, Young, Marino, Elway, Aikman, Kelly, Moon, etc. in the 1980 and 1990's and that group was WAY better than this group of QB's.

DEDawg
12-23-2024, 12:48 AM
There are more teams throwing the ball 60%+ than ever. Almost every team is at 50% and most of the ones under 50% are at 48%. None of that says running back resurgence to me.

Also, those numbers include designed QB runs and scrambles so even the teams at 48% are probably around 50% in terms of play calling.

Yes, QB's are more mobile than ever but they use their legs as an emergency escape option and to extend plays which are of course passing plays.

And as I said running backs are really becoming more utility players than true running backs. Meaning guys that can catch and run the ball. The John Riggins in the NFL are just as extinct as the Dan Marino's.

Also, I don't think the QB's are nearly as good either. Back in the 2000's you had Brady, Favre, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Peyton, Kurt Warner, Brees, etc. Right now it's Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and who else? Dak? You also had guys like Montana, Young, Marino, Elway, Aikman, Kelly, Moon, etc. in the 1980 and 1990's and that group was WAY better than this group of QB's.

Check out 2018 to 2024. You can see YoY passing percentage is slowly trending down. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct?date=2019-02-04

KB21
12-23-2024, 08:09 AM
Check out 2018 to 2024. You can see YoY passing percentage is slowly trending down. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct?date=2019-02-04

And this is the reason scoring is down in the NFL. Running the ball isn't going to produce points.

Chuck3124
12-23-2024, 08:54 AM
What?s everyone hearing on Fluff? Someone messaged me this morning saying he was OM bound any truth to that?

StarkVegasSteve
12-23-2024, 08:57 AM
What?s everyone hearing on Fluff? Someone messaged me this morning saying he was OM bound any truth to that?

I mean he was OM bound yesterday due to visiting there. If he goes there he will transfer though. He wants to be an RB1 and their room is too full. He has a better chance here. Either way we are fine. We're either going to take him or the JUCO kid. They're basically the same player.

To answer your question though, we are quietly confident on him.

StarkVegasSteve
12-23-2024, 09:01 AM
Harrell is an example of someone not wanting to wait their turn and then ending up worse off than if they had waited their turn.

It's also an example of bad advice. He was told that he could get a bag from OM if he went in the portal and so he jumped in and they didn't want him. He tried to visit multiple times. From what I was told, he realized he screwed up about 3-4 days into this cycle, but it was too late to try and come back at that point. We had moved on. He's not a kid who was going to play next year either. It would have been a minimum of two more years before we could count on him.

Chuck3124
12-23-2024, 09:06 AM
I mean he was OM bound yesterday due to visiting there. If he goes there he will transfer though. He wants to be an RB1 and their room is too full. He has a better chance here. Either way we are fine. We're either going to take him or the JUCO kid. They're basically the same player.

To answer your question though, we are quietly confident on him.

10-4 that?s what I like to hear. If we land Whitson and Thomas where do things stand with Finkley

StarkVegasSteve
12-23-2024, 09:20 AM
10-4 that?s what I like to hear. If we land Whitson and Thomas where do things stand with Finkley

We would still take him.

DEDawg
12-23-2024, 09:33 AM
And this is the reason scoring is down in the NFL. Running the ball isn't going to produce points.

Yes exactly. Defensive minds adjusted and have caught up to the rule changes that produced these astronomical passing numbers in the 2010s. It will make its way to college in a few years as well. Rules will eventually change to compensate. Rinse and repeat.

Cooterpoot
12-23-2024, 10:45 AM
We arguing about the NFL in a transfer portal thread?
Let's get back on track. We need some good news to finish up this first part of the portal scene. Fluff, Whitson, Moten would get me excited. We've built up enough depth in most places, we need some heavy hitters. Then finish up strong next round with WR and a couple guys and let's roll and see how it goes.

HoopsDawg
12-23-2024, 10:49 AM
We arguing about the NFL in a transfer portal thread?
Let's get back on track. We need some good news to finish up this first part of the portal scene. Fluff, Whitson, Moten would get me excited. We've built up enough depth in most places, we need some heavy hitters. Then finish up strong next round with WR and a couple guys and let's roll and see how it goes.

Fluff, whitson and Moton would be 3 true starters unlike most of our adds. We need them.

CaptainObvious
12-23-2024, 10:55 AM
Back to the topic!

Who's got next?

StarkVegasSteve
12-23-2024, 10:58 AM
Fluff, whitson and Moton would be 3 true starters unlike most of our adds. We need them.

I feel EXTREMELY GOOD on Whitson. I feel really good on Moten and Fluff. The visit to OM worries me on Fluff, just because they close well in the portal. But I know he wants an opportunity to start, and he won't have that at OM. They just have far too many backs and are going to bring in more in the portal.

On Moten, Yes it's MOTEN with an E so we can go ahead and get that out of the way, I feel pretty confident of where we stand with him but no clue on a decision time table. I do know he wants to be back in the SEC and to prove he can play at this level.

bigbub50
12-23-2024, 11:27 AM
Why is whitson so high on the board? Did he have great stats at coastal?

Cooterpoot
12-23-2024, 11:29 AM
Feel best about Whitson, worst probably about Moten but Moten has a starting spot and a great offer from us so that's all we can do. Fluff the same but down to a couple teams. Get them here!

bigbub50
12-23-2024, 11:30 AM
Moten with an E needs to be priority. Probably would have to over pay there and that’s a huge need for us.

DLGDawg
12-23-2024, 11:33 AM
I feel EXTREMELY GOOD on Whitson. I feel really good on Moten and Fluff. The visit to OM worries me on Fluff, just because they close well in the portal. But I know he wants an opportunity to start, and he won't have that at OM. They just have far too many backs and are going to bring in more in the portal.

On Moten, Yes it's MOTEN with an E so we can go ahead and get that out of the way,

You forgot the s at the end**

bigbub50
12-23-2024, 11:36 AM
Having a great back is good but we literally ran the rock very efficiently with booth and Daniels. Booth broke a Cpl runs for 40-50 yards but got hawked down and we would end up not scoring. I am not concerned with rb. CB and DL is a different story. I also think backs should be salivating to play with us. From Florida on, we ran effectively against every one but Georgia and ole miss. Georgia tried to press our wr and gave us a lot of man free and Lebby burned that to a tune of 31 yards. Lebby sees a lot of deep zone with light boxes and that’s a rb dream.

Todd4State
12-23-2024, 11:44 AM
I feel EXTREMELY GOOD on Whitson. I feel really good on Moten and Fluff. The visit to OM worries me on Fluff, just because they close well in the portal. But I know he wants an opportunity to start, and he won't have that at OM. They just have far too many backs and are going to bring in more in the portal.

On Moten, Yes it's MOTEN with an E so we can go ahead and get that out of the way, I feel pretty confident of where we stand with him but no clue on a decision time table. I do know he wants to be back in the SEC and to prove he can play at this level.

Ole Miss will overpay for a PR win for sure. Hopefully Fluff will let us counter whatever their offer is.