2025 Transfer Portal Thread

[bulldawg28]

Wth? Did Freeze blow JA himself or what?

He went where he wanted to go, Auburn. They probably promised he'd start and he fell for it. He doesn't like competition so it was probably pretty easy.

[bulldawg28]

Our OL was trash and Van Buren is a true freshman. He does need work. But put him in the same talent situation as Iamaleava at Tennessee and he would look a lot different.

He knows the offense and that has value and he clearly has arm talent. And a good P4 team will pay him some money to come in. And what we need right now is talent. Van Buren didn't change the game for us as much as he could have, but his surrounding parts forced us to not allow him to manage games but have to sling it all over the place.

Not a good recipe for a true freshman inserted 1/3 of the way into the year.

Exactly.

[DownwardDawg]

Had a text from my source a 7:50 saying Arnold was coming to us and then at 8:30 saying something changed in that time frame. These kids are nuts man

This is wrong. It changed the minute he scheduled the Auburn visit. At that point, it was over.

[confucius say]

He went where he wanted to go, Auburn. They probably promised he'd start and he fell for it. He doesn't like competition so it was probably pretty easy.

This is the aspect nobody is talking about. He has a guaranteed starting spot there. He doesn't have that here. I'd pick Auburn too in that situation.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He went where he wanted to go, Auburn. They probably promised he'd start and he fell for it. He doesn't like competition so it was probably pretty easy.

They promised him he would start. Now, when they bring in another QB, my guess is he will try to transfer again and he will try to transfer to us. That will not happen. His only option will be ride the pine at Auburn.

[Rawdawg]

We really really really suck at perception. Regardless if Arnold is worth a shit or not we need a positive perceptive media moment and can not do it to save our lives. It is unreal how bad we are at this.

[DEDawg]

This is wrong. It changed the minute he scheduled the Auburn visit. At that point, it was over.

I think the parents and JA were probably telling us this stuff, but yeah I agree with you. The minute I heard he was going to Auburn for a visit it was over

[TrapGame]

Wth? Did Freeze blow JA himself or what?

Freeze will always be Freeze. I'm sure several girls not enrolled at Auburn but posing as sorority girls played a very important part.

Freeze has taken the part of the Gospel where Satan tempts Jesus in the wilderness and made it a recruiting strategy.

[DEDawg]

They promised him he would start. Now, when they bring in another QB, my guess is he will try to transfer again and he will try to transfer to us. That will not happen. His only option will be ride the pine at Auburn.

Good. Decisions have consequences

[confucius say]

Our OL was trash and Van Buren is a true freshman. He does need work. But put him in the same talent situation as Iamaleava at Tennessee and he would look a lot different.

He knows the offense and that has value and he clearly has arm talent. And a good P4 team will pay him some money to come in. And what we need right now is talent. Van Buren didn't change the game for us as much as he could have, but his surrounding parts forced us to not allow him to manage games but have to sling it all over the place.

Not a good recipe for a true freshman inserted 1/3 of the way into the year.

I don't disagree.
But in our building, he's behind Shapen and Taylor is the future.

[CarolinaDawgs]

This is wrong. It changed the minute he scheduled the Auburn visit. At that point, it was over.

I understand what you?re saying, but a text telling me ?we couldn?t get him to sign the papers? was coming from a good one. Should?ve never let him get there in the first place but that?s hindsight.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We really really really suck at perception. Regardless if Arnold is worth a shit or not we need a positive perceptive media moment and can not do it to save our lives. It is unreal how bad we are at this.

And that is where this hurts. Perception. Now if we get the FSU kid, which looks like it is going to happen, we will get a little bit of perception back, but Arnold was perceived as a big fish. Now whether he is or not as a different discussion entirely. I personally think Shapen is better than him Shapen just can’t stay healthy.

[HeCannotGo]

Our coaching staff let him go on that trip. That is what happened. They were not letting him leave without committing. Murphy had already left without committing and the natives were restless. Welcome to the portal.

Question from a non-insider hoping to learn more about how the portal game is played: What was our coaching staff supposed to do to prevent him from taking the visit to Auburn? Or visiting anywhere else?

Do you say come to State as your only visit and sign, or our offer is off the table?

[confucius say]

Question from a non-insider hoping to learn more about how the portal game is played: What was our coaching staff supposed to do to prevent him from taking the visit to Auburn? Or visiting anywhere else?

Do you say come to State as your only visit and sign, or our offer is off the table?

That's one way. The problem is we don't have the stroke to do that as a 2-10 team.
This isn't amazon. We can't just get whomever we want because we have the money to buy. Guys have to want to come here or be sold on our vision.

[Really Clark?]

Question from a non-insider hoping to learn more about how the portal game is played: What was our coaching staff supposed to do to prevent him from taking the visit to Auburn? Or visiting anywhere else?

Do you say come to State as your only visit and sign, or our offer is off the table?

Kind of but the main thing is as soon as it popped up you already have the money ready to offer what's needed to cancel that trip. If he wants to go still, then you pivot hard to your other options. Auburn brought Murphy in first, we should have had our other top options ready to fly in ASAP if they still crawfish about committing.

[DEDawg]

Question from a non-insider hoping to learn more about how the portal game is played: What was our coaching staff supposed to do to prevent him from taking the visit to Auburn? Or visiting anywhere else?

Do you say come to State as your only visit and sign, or our offer is off the table?

Yeah you can do that and play hardball, you can pay more than Auburns 25k to visit, you can know AU will up the price so say come here now skip AU and we give you 1.5M instead of 1M, etc

[DownwardDawg]

I understand what you?re saying, but a text telling me ?we couldn?t get him to sign the papers? was coming from a good one. Should?ve never let him get there in the first place but that?s hindsight.

Agree.

[Rawdawg]

And that is where this hurts. Perception. Now if we get the FSU kid, which looks like it is going to happen, we will get a little bit of perception back, but Arnold was perceived as a big fish. Now whether he is or not as a different discussion entirely. I personally think Shapen is better than him Shapen just can’t stay healthy.

Doesn’t matter and you know it. All we’ve heard is “Arnold is Lebby’s hand picked QB to run his system.” The fans bought it and wanted it. Now they can’t have it and are asked to keep funding but can’t even get what the perceive they wanted. The athletic department at some point has got to deliver on something the fans want. It’s is unreal how much they do not understand this. Getting Arnold would have been a win within the fanbase. Does not matter if we get the FSU kid who is ranked higher and probably a better player. He’s not who the fans were sold on.

[TrapGame]

Doesn’t matter and you know it. All we’ve heard is “Arnold is Lebby’s hand picked QB to run his system.” The fans bought it and wanted it. Now they can’t have it and are asked to keep funding but can’t even get what the perceive they wanted. The athletic department at some point has got to deliver on something the fans want. It’s is unreal how much they do not understand this. Getting Arnold would have been a win within the fanbase. Does not matter if we get the FSU kid who is ranked higher and probably a better player. He’s not who the fans were sold on.

But, if we are balling with Kromenheok next year and look like a real SEC team again no one is gonna think about Jackson Arnold.

And if he falters at AU it will be even better.

[confucius say]

Doesn?t matter and you know it. All we?ve heard is ?Arnold is Lebby?s hand picked QB to run his system.? The fans bought it and wanted it. Now they can?t have it and are asked to keep funding but can?t even get what the perceive they wanted. The athletic department at some point has got to deliver on something the fans want. It?s is unreal how much they do not understand this. Getting Arnold would have been a win within the fanbase. Does not matter if we get the FSU kid who is ranked higher and probably a better player. He?s not who the fans were sold on.

Who told you "Arnold is Lebby's hand picked QB?"

If your next to last sentence is correct, Y'all can have the perception. I want the better player.

But I think Shapen starts over both.

[TrapGame]

Who told you "Arnold is Lebby's hand picked QB?"

If your next to last sentence is correct, Y'all can have the perception. I want the better player.

But I think Shapen starts over both.

I like Shapen but his health is a liability.

[Rawdawg]

Who told you "Arnold is Lebby's hand picked QB?"

If your next to last sentence is correct, Y'all can have the perception. I want the better player.

But I think Shapen starts over both.

Um literally every recruiting expert has said Arnold was Lebby’s QB of the future at Oklahoma. And the thing about signing him now was to show the fans the Lebby had a plan all along instead of missing on a guy he had a longtime relationship with. That sell a brighter future than moving to portal plan B. We have got to do a better job of pushing a narrative and then executing it.

[Turfdawg67]

Good lord can people please STOP listening to Steve?! His only sources are Auburn people. Folks are up in arms over him saying Arnold has no more visits planned out. Smh

So. Steve was right...

[confucius say]

I like Shapen but his health is a liability.

He started 13 games in 2022.
He started 8 in 2023.
Last year was the only season ending injury.

But I agree you need a solid backup just in case.
Preferably one that can hurt you with his legs. A running qb is important to Lebby's system.

[bulldawg28]

And that is where this hurts. Perception. Now if we get the FSU kid, which looks like it is going to happen, we will get a little bit of perception back, but Arnold was perceived as a big fish. Now whether he is or not as a different discussion entirely. I personally think Shapen is better than him Shapen just can’t stay healthy.

Agreed. Shapen needs some milk...lol. whichever Qb is brought in let him and the incoming freshman battle all early and often and be prepared to play. My biggest concern with Shapen is that he'll play trying to protect himself. You can't do that in football. We need to let him talk to Favre or Fitz.

[confucius say]

Um literally every recruiting expert has said Arnold was Lebby’s QB of the future at Oklahoma. And the thing about signing him now was to show the fans the Lebby had a plan all along instead of missing on a guy he had a longtime relationship with. That sell a brighter future than moving to portal plan B. We have got to do a better job of pushing a narrative and then executing it.

Which recruiting experts?

[bulldawg28]

So. Steve was right...

No, Auburn was right. I'll give Lebby credit. The fact that he has the FSU Qb scheduled for a visit proves he was aware Arnold was fickle.

[confucius say]

So. Steve was right...

Can hate Steve all you want. But he's right way more than he is wrong.

[confucius say]

No, Auburn was right. I'll give Lebby credit. The fact that he has the FSU Qb scheduled for a visit proves he was aware Arnold was fickle.

One in the same in this situation.

[confucius say]

No, Auburn was right. I'll give Lebby credit. The fact that he has the FSU Qb scheduled for a visit proves he was aware Arnold was fickle.

Yep. And that FSU qb visit was setup well before Arnold's Auburn visit.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Freeze will always be Freeze. I'm sure several girls not enrolled at Auburn but posing as sorority girls played a very important part.

Freeze has taken the part of the Gospel where Satan tempts Jesus in the wilderness and made it a recruiting strategy.

Freeze has taken the Ed Oregeron recruiting strategy and then added the Gospel.

[BankerDog]

Freeze has taken the Ed Oregeron recruiting strategy and then added the Gospel.

You and he must have some fun at family Thanksgiving.

[BankerDog]

Getting back to main thing. I know we are trying to get UF OL Damien George in. We just offered USC LB Raesjon Davis in. Hutz doing a decent job flipping his LB room. Turner needs to get Sam Houston edge in the boat.

The one area I am concerned is Corey?s unit. I hate that we didn?t cock block McBath. I can?t stand him. He was the reason DeCameron went to portal last year too.

[Brobi-wan]

I don’t want MVB back. But just to clarify, did that ship sail when Shapen agrees to come back?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don’t want MVB back. But just to clarify, did that ship sail when Shapen agrees to come back?

The ship sailed with what he was asking. The price was around 1.5 or so that was told I had also heard it was 1.1. But regardless another thing I heard was he wanted to be guaranteed the starting position for two years. You just can’t be held hostage like that in today’s game.

[BankerDog]

I don’t want MVB back. But just to clarify, did that ship sail when Shapen agrees to come back?

No the guy wanted over $1MM to come back. So essentially we were going to pay $1MM for one win last year. And he also cost us both Mizzou and Ole Miss

[TrapGame]

Yep. And that FSU qb visit was setup well before Arnold's Auburn visit.

Lebby is smarter than most give him credit for. Always have a good plan B and leave nothing to chance. If Arnold wanted to be here in Lebby's offense he wouldn't have taken the Auburn visit. He would have made it to Starkville and signed the papers without hesitation.

[Todd4State]

We're going to need a veteran starting QB now that we screwed up Arnold. This Kroemenjoek guy doesn't have enough experience.

[DEDawg]

We're going to need a veteran starting QB now that we screwed up Arnold. This Kroemenjoek guy doesn't have enough experience.

Why? We have that in Shapen already

[Turfdawg67]

No, Auburn was right. I'll give Lebby credit. The fact that he has the FSU Qb scheduled for a visit proves he was aware Arnold was fickle.

Huh? Chuck begged us not to listen to Steve anymore, like many on this board do, because he's "claiming that JA has canceled remaining visits". Well, Steve was right. And like another poster said, he's right more often than not.

[BankerDog]

Huh? Chuck begged us not to listen to Steve anymore, like many on this board do, because he's "claiming that JA has canceled remaining visits". Well, Steve was right. And like another poster said, he's right more often than not.

Yeah that?s wrong.

[Op4isabitch]

Now that that particular QB controversy is behind us, who is on campus today and what commits are we feeling good about?

I’d appreciate ANY and ALL thoughts and insight.

Cheers

[DEDawg]

Now that that particular QB controversy is behind us, who is on campus today and what commits are we feeling good about?

I’d appreciate ANY and ALL thoughts and insight.

Cheers

Luke K. Is on campus. Hopefully he commits today

[Op4isabitch]

Luke K. Is on campus. Hopefully he commits today

That would be great, getting a 5 star to commit sure couldn’t hurt with skill guys and OLmen.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Now that that particular QB controversy is behind us, who is on campus today and what commits are we feeling good about?

I’d appreciate ANY and ALL thoughts and insight.

Cheers

Sategna and Brady Wilson, OL from UAB, are the announced visitors. There are rumors Kromenhoek is already on campus and rumors of two surprise visitors, I believe 2 WRs

[DEDawg]

Sategna and Brady Wilson, OL from UAB, are the announced visitors. There are rumors Kromenhoek is already on campus and rumors of two surprise visitors, I believe 2 WRs
How do we stand on that LB and other defensive players we are going hard after?

[Op4isabitch]

Sategna and Brady Wilson, OL from UAB, are the announced visitors. There are rumors Kromenhoek is already on campus and rumors of two surprise visitors, I believe 2 WRs

That’s what I need to hear. Any word on DL? It seems that we are doing very well on positions we need but I haven’t seen much on the DL.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That’s what I need to hear. Any word on DL? It seems that we are doing very well on positions we need but I haven’t seen much on the DL.

Yea that is concerning. I am hoping it is just a we want to see where the market sets itself but we need to start making some moves on that front.

[StarkVegasSteve]

How do we stand on that LB and other defensive players we are going hard after?

Feel really good, but again, you never like them to leave without committing. Always leaves room for another visit.

[KB21]

They can?t sign until after midnight on the last day they visited. So with Jalin Smith, today would be the day he could sign.

[DEDawg]

Sategna and Brady Wilson, OL from UAB, are the announced visitors. There are rumors Kromenhoek is already on campus and rumors of two surprise visitors, I believe 2 WRs


They can?t sign until after midnight on the last day they visited. So with Jalin Smith, today would be the day he could sign.
lol I know it wont but what if Lebby pulled it off twice and got JA like he did Lockhart

[Irondawg]

I had someone ask me why we just don't go after Murphy, but I don't think he runs enough to be a good fit for the offense. Anyone got a different opinion?

Truth is hitting on a QB is more than just tools. The ones that succeed in the SEC outside of the Bama and GA where the surrounding talent are excellent tend to be very mobile and have a very strong competitive drive that makes up for lack of elite tools. You just have to find the right fit to scheme as well. That's the thing we can't judge on message boards or from highlight videos. You need to find that guy that doesn't slide two yards short on a 3rd down, can inspire the team around him to play above their level and just basically refuse to lose.

I have no idea of the mentality of JA or the other guys we are after, but I hope we find someone that can elevate the team around them and be a playmaker.

[KB21]

IMO, Murphy has accuracy issues. He?s physically talented but would be like Joe Milton in this offense.

[Dawgology]

So?.when are things picking up with big time transfers???***

The truth hurts. We have some ?good people? in our program but not good negotiators or good strategist. We have money but are so far behind on recruitment planning and strategy implementation that it?s embarrassing.

I?m afraid there are some good people on this board that mean well but they are being used as mouthpieces without their knowledge. Truth is, we will sign some transfers but it won?t be earth shattering. Hope Lebby can work with it.

[Todd4State]

Why? We have that in Shapen already

He is very injury prone. Once he gets hurt again now we're in the exact same situation as we were this year.

This is so stupid.

[BigDawg81]

Sategna and Brady Wilson, OL from UAB, are the announced visitors. There are rumors Kromenhoek is already on campus and rumors of two surprise visitors, I believe 2 WRs
Arkansas WR I believe. He has really good numbers

[Really Clark?]

So?.when are things picking up with big time transfers???***

The truth hurts. We have some ?good people? in our program but not good negotiators or good strategist. We have money but are so far behind on recruitment planning and strategy implementation that it?s embarrassing.

I?m afraid there are some good people on this board that mean well but they are being used as mouthpieces without their knowledge. Truth is, we will sign some transfers but it won?t be earth shattering. Hope Lebby can work with it.

What are you talking about? Our planning and strategy have to kick off the portal has been very good outside of Arnold. We lead the nation so far.

[Todd4State]

What are you talking about? Our planning and strategy have to kick off the portal has been very good outside of Arnold. We lead the nation so far.

QB is the one position you can't screw up. And Lebby has in this portal cycle.

It's completely disappointing but not completely unexpected.

MSU simply doesn't place enough emphasis on the position.

[Chuck3124]

Where can we see the list of visitors for today and tomorrow?

[DownwardDawg]

QB is the one position you can't screw up. And Lebby has in this portal cycle.

It's completely disappointing but not completely unexpected.

MSU simply doesn't place enough emphasis on the position.

While I've been pretty hard on Lebby, I don't see what he could have done better with the QB situation in Arnold. Dan lost Cam to damn Gene Chizik. We can't beat out anyone for a QB unless it's a Mississippi kid.

[Brobi-wan]

What are you talking about? Our planning and strategy have to kick off the portal has been very good outside of Arnold. We lead the nation so far.

He wants to join C-USA.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Where can we see the list of visitors for today and tomorrow?

Reported today is Isaiah Sategna and Brady Wilson. Reported tomorrow is Luke Kromenhoek.

[Really Clark?]

Anderson and Sliya left today

[Really Clark?]

Pounders commits to Louisville.

[BankerDog]

Reported today is Isaiah Sategna and Brady Wilson. Reported tomorrow is Luke Kromenhoek.

A&M DE was on campus this weekend

[RezDog7]

I feel fairly confident we will lock him up. Then again, now that we are on him 4 other teams will magically pop up. It is why our coaches do not like feeding who we are after to any of the media. They learned this last year with a few WRs.

Just as confident as you felt about JA?

[Todd4State]

While I've been pretty hard on Lebby, I don't see what he could have done better with the QB situation in Arnold. Dan lost Cam to damn Gene Chizik. We can't beat out anyone for a QB unless it's a Mississippi kid.

1. Offered more money up front.

2. Paid him to not visit Auburn.

3. Not take his relationship with Arnold for granted.

[maroonmania]

He is very injury prone. Once he gets hurt again now we're in the exact same situation as we were this year.

This is so stupid.

If Shapen coming back is an issue with getting another QB then I almost wish he wasn't coming back. No way Shapen will last the season. He has never lasted more than 4 or 5 games in any season he's played.

[Really Clark?]

If Shapen coming back is an issue with getting another QB then I almost wish he wasn't coming back. No way Shapen will last the season. He has never lasted more than 4 or 5 games in any season he's played.

That's not true.

[Chuck3124]

I wanted Arnold, but after watching Luke?s tape I could get behind this. He?s not as fast as Arnold, but he?s got a really good arm. Let?s get this guy and finish the portal strong and roll with it

[DownwardDawg]

1. Offered more money up front.

2. Paid him to not visit Auburn.

3. Not take his relationship with Arnold for granted.

I really don't think any of that would have changed a thing. That whole relationship thing was overblown. Kid and his parents were going where they wanted. Money and more tools surround him at Auburn.

[Dawgology]

What are you talking about? Our planning and strategy have to kick off the portal has been very good outside of Arnold. We lead the nation so far.

We?ve replaced 4 star talent with 3 star talent and missed out on the QB Lebby wanted.

****WINNING*****

[Really Clark?]

We?ve replaced 4 star talent with 3 star talent and missed out on the QB Lebby wanted.

****WINNING*****

There are only 4 players that left that we need to replace. Already done that with 1. We have upgraded what's left with there replacements already. Get a QB and we are a wash with MVB. But you keep on with looking at the star ratings of those players who couldn't even break into our piss poor lineup.

[Todd4State]

I really don't think any of that would have changed a thing. That whole relationship thing was overblown. Kid and his parents were going where they wanted. Money and more tools surround him at Auburn.

Apparently Auburn paid him to not visit us.

So...

[Dawgology]

There are only 4 players that left that we need to replace. Already done that with 1. We have upgraded what's left with there replacements already. Get a QB and we are a wash with MVB. But you keep on with looking at the star ratings of those players who couldn't even break into our piss poor lineup.

I’m just being realistic. We always say we are replacing talent with better talent but we end with subpar results and most of the top rated players we are going to sign any moment now go elsewhere. SSDD. And two of those 4 star players you say couldn’t get on the field here have transferred to teams that are playing in bowl games with winning records so let’s not pretend here. The others will probably follow suit.

[Really Clark?]

I’m just being realistic. We always say we are replacing talent with better talent but we end with subpar results and most of the top rated players we are going to sign any moment now go elsewhere. SSDD. And two of those 4 star players you say couldn’t get on the field here have transferred to teams that are playing in bowl games with winning records so let’s not pretend here. The others will probably follow suit.

Right, so when we lost WR last year and you played oh woe is us then too, we replaced them. Now you are complaining about the replacements of the replacements. Our talent will be and already is better. Just need more of them.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Apparently Auburn paid him to not visit us.

So...

Truth to that. And it is a LARGE number.

[KB21]

Truth to that. And it is a LARGE number.

Apparently, your PM is full.

[Brobi-wan]

I’m just being realistic. We always say we are replacing talent with better talent but we end with subpar results and most of the top rated players we are going to sign any moment now go elsewhere. SSDD. And two of those 4 star players you say couldn’t get on the field here have transferred to teams that are playing in bowl games with winning records so let’s not pretend here. The others will probably follow suit.

We went 2-10. Nobody is irreplaceable on this team. Not a single one.

[Really Clark?]

Walker White from Auburn enters the portal

[SPMT]

I really don't think any of that would have changed a thing. That whole relationship thing was overblown. Kid and his parents were going where they wanted. Money and more tools surround him at Auburn.

I agree. I have my doubts a few hundred k changed their mind, unless they are in a rough spot as a family.

2-10 year with an abysmal o line probably did more damage than anything.

[DEDawg]

So, seems like nothing happened today. Were we expecting that? Maybe all the excitement is tomorrow, but I thought we'd get some good news today

[confucius say]

So?.when are things picking up with big time transfers???***

The truth hurts. We have some ?good people? in our program but not good negotiators or good strategist. We have money but are so far behind on recruitment planning and strategy implementation that it?s embarrassing.

I?m afraid there are some good people on this board that mean well but they are being used as mouthpieces without their knowledge. Truth is, we will sign some transfers but it won?t be earth shattering. Hope Lebby can work with it.

Well yea. We are 2-10 and the worst team in P4. Nobody outside of some of our own fans expect us to sign earth shattering elite players.

[msstate7]

So, seems like nothing happened today. Were we expecting that? Maybe all the excitement is tomorrow, but I thought we'd get some good news today

Can't be a good thing. If we had some guys willing to go public, today was the time after the Arnold news this morning

[confucius say]

QB is the one position you can't screw up. And Lebby has in this portal cycle.

It's completely disappointing but not completely unexpected.

MSU simply doesn't place enough emphasis on the position.

Who would you like him to have gotten?

[confucius say]

If Shapen coming back is an issue with getting another QB then I almost wish he wasn't coming back. No way Shapen will last the season. He has never lasted more than 4 or 5 games in any season he's played.

He started 13 games in 2022.
He started 8 games in 2023.
The injury thing is way overblown.

[confucius say]

We?ve replaced 4 star talent with 3 star talent and missed out on the QB Lebby wanted.

****WINNING*****

Who is the QB lebby wanted?

[Coursesuper]

Can't be a good thing. If we had some guys willing to go public, today was the time after the Arnold news this morning

Why don?t you two get a blanket and go hide in the bushes outside the Seal Building. You won?t miss the comings and goings and you can say hi to Rosey while hanging out there.

[msstate7]

Why don?t you two get a blanket and go hide in the bushes outside the Seal Building. You won?t miss the comings and goings and you can say hi to Rosey while hanging out there.

You don't think we would loved announce some commitments after getting shunned this morning?

[Dawgology]

Who is the QB lebby wanted?

Very clearly Jackson Arnold. It’s all we’ve been told. Enough so that we left MVB walk. Not smart. At all.

[confucius say]

Reminder that you guys can't lock in to a school until the calendar day after their visit ends.

[confucius say]

Very clearly Jackson Arnold. It’s all we’ve been told. Enough so that we left MVB walk. Not smart. At all.

Who told you that?

[Really Clark?]

We have a good group coming in tomorrow. WR from Tulsa who I want and LK. A couple of more guys as well. OL, LB

[Dawgology]

Who told you that?

SVS was the one going on about it the last several days. I brought up that we shouldn’t let MVB walk and JA may not be a good get and got absolutely berated in PM’s from several because Lebby is getting JA or “someone better”. It’s an absolute cluster****. We can say we are #3 in the transfer portal but we don’t have a single Top 100 transfer after being fluffed all last week about how we were going to “kill it” in the transfer portal. Absolute joke of a program right now

[Brobi-wan]

SVS was the one going on about it the last several days. I brought up that we shouldn’t let MVB walk and JA may not be a good get and got absolutely berated in PM’s from several because Lebby is getting JA or “someone better”. It’s an absolute cluster****. We can say we are #3 in the transfer portal but we don’t have a single Top 100 transfer after being fluffed all last week about how we were going to “kill it” in the transfer portal. Absolute joke of a program right now

MVB wasn’t worth 1.1 mil with or without Arnold.

[confucius say]

SVS was the one going on about it the last several days. I brought up that we shouldn’t let MVB walk and JA may not be a good get and got absolutely berated in PM’s from several because Lebby is getting JA or “someone better”. It’s an absolute cluster****. We can say we are #3 in the transfer portal but we don’t have a single Top 100 transfer after being fluffed all last week about how we were going to “kill it” in the transfer portal. Absolute joke of a program right now

I have no idea who told you a 2-10 team was going to kill it in the portal. But that's insane.

MVB is at Tulane right now on a visit.

We don't know who lebby's top wish is at qb. We do know that he set up visits from other QB who are ranked higher than Arnold well before Arnold visited auburn or us. We also know that people in the football office have said all week that Shapen would be expected to be the starter over Arnold if we got Arnold.

[Really Clark?]

SVS was the one going on about it the last several days. I brought up that we shouldn’t let MVB walk and JA may not be a good get and got absolutely berated in PM’s from several because Lebby is getting JA or “someone better”. It’s an absolute cluster****. We can say we are #3 in the transfer portal but we don’t have a single Top 100 transfer after being fluffed all last week about how we were going to “kill it” in the transfer portal. Absolute joke of a program right now

MVB showed himself to the door. That's on him. He's not worth the $1.5 he asked of us (less now because nobody was going that for him) and damn sure not worth his demand to be guaranteed to be the starter. Part of the same reason we told Craver good luck elsewhere. They are NOT in position to demand anything.

[Dawgology]

MVB wasn’t worth 1.1 mil with or without Arnold.

Yeah. Guess we just need to save money and hope for the best.

[Dawgology]

I have no idea who told you a 2-10 team was going to kill it in the portal. But that's insane.

MVB is at Tulane right now on a visit.

We don't know who lebby's top wish is at qb. We do know that he set up visits from other QB who are ranked higher than Arnold well before Arnold visited auburn or us. We also know that people in the football office have said all week that Shapen would be expected to be the starter over Arnold if we got Arnold.

Scroll back about 20-30 pages if you want to find the sunshine pumping. It’s just weird that other teams can but we can’t. Guess we should just know our place though.

[Really Clark?]

Yeah. Guess we just need to save money and hope for the best.

No body is offering him that so far. Not close. Let's see what Tulane offers him

[DownwardDawg]

Yeah. Guess we just need to save money and hope for the best.

I like him and wanted him to stay, but the dude won 1 game!! One game!!! He was a bright spot among a bunch of blah.
In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. He was the one eyed man.
I'm hoping for much better.

[confucius say]

Scroll back about 20-30 pages if you want to find the sunshine pumping. It’s just weird that other teams can but we can’t. Guess we should just know our place though.

I'm not scrolling back 20 pages, but anybody who told you a 2-10 team was going to kill it in the portal, do not listen to them anymore.

Other teams? What other 2-10 teams killed it in the portal? Arizona state finished 30th in portal rankings last year.

[paverdog]

Is the QB from FSU here now or coming tomorrow. i really can't say his name right I know.

[Really Clark?]

Is the QB from FSU here now or coming tomorrow. i really can't say his name right I know.

Coming tomorrow

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is the QB from FSU here now or coming tomorrow. i really can't say his name right I know.

Luke Kromenhoek. He is scheduled for tomorrow. If he shows, he will commit. Simple as that.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Announced visitors for tomorrow:

Luke Kromenhoek
Joseph Williams, WR Tulsa
Derion Gullete, LB Texas
Delano Townsend, OL UAB
Jesse Ramil, OL James Madison


Townsend would be a huge pickup.

[Brobi-wan]

Luke Kromenhoek. He is scheduled for tomorrow. If he shows, he will commit. Simple as that.

Be a nice perception win. Hopefully he won’t be our starter in October.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Be a nice perception win. Hopefully he won’t be our starter in October.

Perception in terms of rankings. No one knows who the hell he is though so not a real national perception win. And unfortunately I have a feeling he will be starting by October.

[Really Clark?]

Announced visitors for tomorrow:

Luke Kromenhoek
Joseph Williams, WR Tulsa
Derion Gullete, LB Texas
Delano Townsend, OL UAB
Jesse Ramil, OL James Madison


Townsend would be a huge pickup.

I like him and Williams also. Ramil I think is underrated too.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I like him and Williams also. Ramil I think is underrated too.

I would take both OL. Not wild about Williams and do not know enough about the LB

[bulldawg28]

I like him and Williams also. Ramil I think is underrated too.

Williams should be a TE

[KB21]

I would take both OL. Not wild about Williams and do not know enough about the LB

Gullete is a LB that Hutzler recruited while he was at Alabama.

[bulldawg28]

I would take both OL. Not wild about Williams and do not know enough about the LB

I say take a chance on the LB. We've got 25 transfer scholarships to fill.

[Young dawg]

Would love to get Williams. AAC freshman of the year had a couple of huge games.

[DEDawg]

We on Devonta Smith?

[Turfdawg67]

Did I see OM signed two of the top 10 transfers today? Geez

[msstate7]

Did I see OM signed two of the top 10 transfers today? Geez

We're getting left in their dust

[KB21]

We're getting left in their dust

LOL. They signed a guy who played 203 snaps last year and wasn't very good, but he's rated high. However, somehow, we are falling behind even though we are in on the top portal QB who is coming to Starkville tomorrow.

[msstate7]

LOL. They signed a guy who played 203 snaps last year and wasn't very good, but he's rated high. However, somehow, we are falling behind even though we are in on the top portal QB who is coming to Starkville tomorrow.

He wasn't even our top portal qb. Just stop

[KB21]

He wasn't even our top portal qb. Just stop

Says who? His visit was scheduled before Arnold?s.

I?m just showing you the double standard that you poor ole?s have. Ole Miss signs a guy who hardly played and it?s ?Oh my gosh! We are so far behind them!?

We are in on the top QB prospect and it?s crickets.

[msstate7]

Says who? His visit was scheduled before Arnold?s.

I?m just showing you the double standard that you poor ole?s have. Ole Miss signs a guy who hardly played and it?s ?Oh my gosh! We are so far behind them!?

We are in on the top QB prospect and it?s crickets.

Cool. You used rankings to say fsu qb is better. Well, they have the #1 transfer class on 247. I really hate it, but lane has separated them from us.

[Turfdawg67]

Says who? His visit was scheduled before Arnold?s.

I?m just showing you the double standard that you poor ole?s have. Ole Miss signs a guy who hardly played and it?s ?Oh my gosh! We are so far behind them!?

We are in on the top QB prospect and it?s crickets.

You didn't bother to mention Princewill. Visits vs signings, 2 wins vs 9... yeah, I'd say MS7 is correct.

[KB21]

You didn't bother to mention Princewill. Visits vs signings, 2 wins vs 9... yeah, I'd say MS7 is correct.

I did mention him. Princewill played 203 snaps in 12 games. He wasn?t nearly as effective as a pass rusher as Nevaeh Sanders was.

Oh, BTW, he?s rated lower on 247?s portal board than Luke Kromenhoek is. When Kromenhoek commits tomorrow, I want to see the same energy that you are using to praise Ole Miss for getting a guy who didn?t play much.

[Brobi-wan]

Their portal class was 1 last year and they managed to do FA with it on a down year in the SEC. Lost 3 conference games and one to a team that wasn?t bowl eligible. They had the most talented roster of all time for them, didn?t have bama on the schedule, beat Georgia, and still fumbled the bag. This was their ?We will never be big time? year.

Kiffin has peaked there Dart was there Prescott. It?s all downhill from here. You can bookmark this, if it?s possible, and follow-up next year. I will begrudgingly eat my words if I am wrong.

[Turfdawg67]

I did mention him. Princewill played 203 snaps in 12 games. He wasn?t nearly as effective as a pass rusher as Nevaeh Sanders was.

Oh, BTW, he?s rated lower on 247?s portal board than Luke Kromenhoek is. When Kromenhoek commits tomorrow, I want to see the same energy that you are using to praise Ole Miss for getting a guy who didn?t play much.

I will be tickled if we land any top transfers. I won't hold my breath though.

[confucius say]

You didn't bother to mention Princewill. Visits vs signings, 2 wins vs 9... yeah, I'd say MS7 is correct.

Princewill is the guy with 203 snaps.
He has 1.5 sacks in two season as an edge rusher, and somehow (wink wink) he is the number one edge in the portal.

But Mississippi should absolutely have a better class than us. They are a top 15 team. We are the worst team in P4.

[msstate7]

Their portal class was 1 last year and they managed to do FA with it on a down year in the SEC. Lost 3 conference games and one to a team that wasn?t bowl eligible. They had the most talented roster of all time for them, didn?t have bama on the schedule, beat Georgia, and still fumbled the bag. This was their ?We will never be big time? year.

Kiffin has peaked there Dart was there Prescott. It?s all downhill from here. You can bookmark this, if it?s possible, and follow-up next year. I will begrudgingly eat my words if I am wrong.

Uhhh... Eli was better than dart

[Really Clark?]

Princewill is the guy with 203 snaps.
He has 1.5 sacks in two season as an edge rusher, and somehow (wink wink) he is the number one edge in the portal.

But Mississippi should absolutely have a better class than us. They are a top 15 team. We are the worst team in P4.

I disagree!! Purdue was worse!!***

[confucius say]

I disagree!! Purdue was worse!!***

Fair.

[msstate7]

Princewill is the guy with 203 snaps.
He has 1.5 sacks in two season as an edge rusher, and somehow (wink wink) he is the number one edge in the portal.

But Mississippi should absolutely have a better class than us. They are a top 15 team. We are the worst team in P4.

Will we tout the fsu qb's rating if we get em even though he was trash this season?

[confucius say]

Will we tout the fsu qb's rating if we get em even though he was trash this season?

Some will for sure. Just like some here are touting peincewill. And he is behind FSU QB.
I personally will say he's a nice addition but is the clear backup behind Shapen.

[CaptainObvious]

We State fans truly do EAT our own! We have signed 1 5 star QB in our history and he didn't fit our new coach's offense in 2009. Damn let's shoot do n any guy that Jo might be higher then a 3 star!

[chef dixon]

Will we tout the fsu qb's rating if we get em even though he was trash this season?

You god damn right we will

[msstate7]

You god damn right we will

And we should, but if we use recruiting ranking, we should at least be consistent... OM has done better.

[confucius say]

And we should, but if we use recruiting ranking, we should at least be consistent... OM has done better.

Let's see where it shakes out. If we as a 2-10 team are even remotely close to a 9-3, top 15 team that is impressive.

[msstate7]

Let's see where it shakes out. If we as a 2-10 team are even remotely close to a 9-3, top 15 team that is impressive.

I thought Lebby did a great job in this class so far. Hopefully he can upgrade the LOS in portal to give us a shot at 6 wins

[Brobi-wan]

Uhhh... Eli was better than dart

Not according to their record book.

[msstate7]

Not according to their record book.

Maybe so, but that draft in April will let you know which one is better

[Turfdawg67]

Some will for sure. Just like some here are touting peincewill. And he is behind FSU QB.
I personally will say he's a nice addition but is the clear backup behind Shapen.

No one was touting him. I had zero clue about him, or his stats, except his brother plays at OM and he's ranked as the #5 best transfer... One spot lower than the FSU QB. They also signed two from Arky, both in the top 25. I just want some of them too.

[Todd4State]

Some will for sure. Just like some here are touting peincewill. And he is behind FSU QB.
I personally will say he's a nice addition but is the clear backup behind Shapen.

He kind of reminds me of Nick Fitzgerald. And that's not a compliment.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Will we tout the fsu qb's rating if we get em even though he was trash this season?

I would hope we would. Hell we got people that act like Van Buren was the second coming and he was trash this past season.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He kind of reminds me of Nick Fitzgerald. And that's not a compliment.

He has a little more touch than Nick. And look at the end of the day, Nick was a good QB. Moorhead just tried to turn him into a pocket passer after being in Dan’s system for 3 years. Was never going to work. People forget that Nick was a WR until senior year at a school that ran the veer. He then came into Dan’s system and was Dak’s backup for 2 years. I mean really thinking about it, Dak started every game for two years snd, outside of Troy 2015, stayed in for the whole game in almost all of them. Nick never really got to hone his skills too much. I still think Nick in 2018 would have been like Dak in 2014 had Dan stayed that year. We would have opened up the passing game a bit more with substantially more talent than we had previously had in the receiver room.

[Bothrops]

He kind of reminds me of Nick Fitzgerald. And that's not a compliment.

Fitzgerald holds an SEC record that may not ever be broken. He wasn't a great passer, but he was one hell of an SEC football player.

[Cowbell]

I would hope we would. Hell we got people that act like Van Buren was the second coming and he was trash this past season.

Van Buren was trash? Come on man

[StarkVegasSteve]

Van Buren was trash? Come on man

11 TDs/7 INTs with a 54.7% completion percentage. I would not exactly call that lighting it up. I mean if the guy could throw a slant or be able to lead a receiver we probably beat OM and Mizzou.

[KB21]

He has a little more touch than Nick. And look at the end of the day, Nick was a good QB. Moorhead just tried to turn him into a pocket passer after being in Dan’s system for 3 years. Was never going to work. People forget that Nick was a WR until senior year at a school that ran the veer. He then came into Dan’s system and was Dak’s backup for 2 years. I mean really thinking about it, Dak started every game for two years snd, outside of Troy 2015, stayed in for the whole game in almost all of them. Nick never really got to hone his skills too much. I still think Nick in 2018 would have been like Dak in 2014 had Dan stayed that year. We would have opened up the passing game a bit more with substantially more talent than we had previously had in the receiver room.

Nick would have never passed the football like Dak did in 2014 or 2015, IMO. He just didn't have the natural passing ability he needed. I mean, we damn near had two 1,000 yards receivers in 2015 with Dak.

IMO, the only similarities between Nick Fitzgerald and Luke Kromenhoek is that they are ball tall white QBs from Savannah, GA.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We are trying to set up a visit with Javonnie Gibson for next week. UAPB receiver that has a bunch of P4 interest and offers. Has already visited SMU.

[MetEdDawg]

We are trying to set up a visit with Javonnie Gibson for next week. UAPB receiver that has a bunch of P4 interest and offers. Has already visited SMU.

How do you feel about the guys that finished their visits yesterday?

Expecting to hear word on any of them later?

[msstate7]

11 TDs/7 INTs with a 54.7% completion percentage. I would not exactly call that lighting it up. I mean if the guy could throw a slant or be able to lead a receiver we probably beat OM and Mizzou.

Probably at least worth noting that he shouldn't have had to play as a true freshman, he faced 3 playoff teams on the road and 1 that just missed it, and mizzou, who was a top 25 defense.

Everyone here loves KT, and we all should love him. What do you think he would look like next season if he were forced into action in sec play?

[BigDawg81]

How do you feel about the guys that finished their visits yesterday?

Expecting to hear word on any of them later?possibly. I saw that people were upset cause we didn?t get a commitment yesterday but apparently there is a rule where a player has to wait a day to commit after a visit.

[msstate7]

possibly. I saw that people were upset cause we didn?t get a commitment yesterday but apparently there is a rule where a player has to wait a day to commit after a visit.

Wasn't Arnold still on a visit to Auburn?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Probably at least worth noting that he shouldn't have had to play as a true freshman, he faced 3 playoff teams on the road and 1 that just missed it, and mizzou, who was a top 25 defense.

Everyone here loves KT, and we all should love him. What do you think he would look like next season if he were forced into action in sec play?

Agree with all of this. However, for people to act like he is this irreplaceable superstar is asinine. The guy had the same problems in his last start that he did in his first.

[msstate7]

Agree with all of this. However, for people to act like he is this irreplaceable superstar is asinine. The guy had the same problems in his last start that he did in his first.

I don't think MVB or Arnold are irreplaceable. I think both are still very much projects.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't think MVB or Arnold are irreplaceable. I think both are still very much projects.

Arnold just seemed more fit for this offense IMO.

[BigDawg81]

Wasn't Arnold still on a visit to Auburn?
It was the morning after I believe

[Really Clark?]

Wasn't Arnold still on a visit to Auburn?

He wasn't, just message board people speculating.

[bulldawg28]

Arnold just seemed more fit for this offense IMO.

Based off what? He played in it sparingly and had better weapons when he did.

[Coursesuper]

Agree with all of this. However, for people to act like he is this irreplaceable superstar is asinine. The guy had the same problems in his last start that he did in his first.

I don?t he?s moving the goalposts again. We play in the SEC, every week is brutal. You make the plays or not. MVB didn?t progress enough to not have to work to retain his spot. And definitely didn?t rate 1mil NIL. He is still a small QB that will never be able to handle the entire run and shoot. The QB has to be a threat with the ball in his hands to pass and run. No team played the QB run part of our offense because they knew he wasn?t going to pull it out of the mesh. We have to make the other team play 11 on 11 not 11 on 10.

[DownwardDawg]

He kind of reminds me of Nick Fitzgerald. And that's not a compliment.

Fitz would have won our first SEC Championship if Dan had stayed 1 more year. I'll take it!!!!!
In the right system with the right coach, players can make a huge change from one year to the next.
(This is just a response to the Fitz comment. No idea if this dude is good or not)

[Pancho]

Lebby's run and shoot needs a QB who runs like Fitz and throw like Dak.

[KB21]

Fitz would have won our first SEC Championship if Dan had stayed 1 more year. I'll take it!!!!!
In the right system with the right coach, players can make a huge change from one year to the next.
(This is just a response to the Fitz comment. No idea if this dude is good or not)

It would have been close, but ultimately Nick?s inability in the passing game would have likely been the limiting factor.

[DownwardDawg]

It would have been close, but ultimately Nick?s inability in the passing game would have likely been the limiting factor.

I believe we would have went 11-1 at worst and played in the SECCG. Nick could have thrown 10 passes a game and won those games.

[HoopsDawg]

possibly. I saw that people were upset cause we didn?t get a commitment yesterday but apparently there is a rule where a player has to wait a day to commit after a visit.

you can commit on a visit. Just can't sign the paperwork until the next day.

[confucius say]

Arnold's visit ended Friday night. He signed Saturday morning.
Have to wait until after midnight the day of your visit to sign is my understanding.

[BigDawg81]

Arnold's visit ended Friday night. He signed Saturday morning.
Have to wait until after midnight the day of your visit to sign is my understanding.Same

[HoopsDawg]

all we can do is let it play out and see who we end up with out of the portal. but my concern is that we are putting a value on a player, maybe it's a fair market value and that is the approach. that's not going to work. the perception of our program with agents and portal players and practically everyone is not good. we are going to have to over-pay for players. Lebby said we are only take 15 players. if we have 10-13 million which has been rumored, go out there and make strong aggressive offers to fill these holes in the roster. For example, center. We desperately need a center. Let's say the guy from Oklahoma is looking for 200K. Offer the guy 400K and be done with it. Don't let him visit Colorado. I'm just throwing numbers out there, but you see my point.

[Pancho]

so. if Kromenhoek doesn't sign by tuesday morning.........

[KB21]

I believe we would have went 11-1 at worst and played in the SECCG. Nick could have thrown 10 passes a game and won those games.

No team is winning anything by just throwing it 10 times a game.

[msstate7]

all we can do is let it play out and see who we end up with out of the portal. but my concern is that we are putting a value on a player, maybe it's a fair market value and that is the approach. that's not going to work. the perception of our program with agents and portal players and practically everyone is not good. we are going to have to over-pay for players. Lebby said we are only take 15 players. if we have 10-13 million which has been rumored, go out there and make strong aggressive offers to fill these holes in the roster. For example, center. We desperately need a center. Let's say the guy from Oklahoma is looking for 200K. Offer the guy 400K and be done with it. Don't let him visit Colorado. I'm just throwing numbers out there, but you see my point.

On positions of need (oline, dline, CB), I agree. I'm glad we didn't do that with Arnold and MVB though bc Homedawg and others have said it's gonna be shapen next season.

[Dawgology]

On positions of need (oline, dline, CB), I agree. I'm glad we didn't do that with Arnold and MVB though bc Homedawg and others have said it's gonna be shapen next season.

Correction: it’s going to be Shapen for the first 4-5 games. Then he will be out with injury. Go ahead and earmark this because it’s the truth.

[msstate7]

Correction: it’s going to be Shapen for the first 4-5 games. Then he will be out with injury. Go ahead and earmark this because it’s the truth.

Let's strengthen that line then to keep em upright

[Pancho]

would be a miracle to win the first 4. Assuming that happens, where should we look for possible win number 5 and 6?

[Really Clark?]

Lebby's run and shoot needs a QB who runs like Fitz and throw like Dak.


all we can do is let it play out and see who we end up with out of the portal. but my concern is that we are putting a value on a player, maybe it's a fair market value and that is the approach. that's not going to work. the perception of our program with agents and portal players and practically everyone is not good. we are going to have to over-pay for players. Lebby said we are only take 15 players. if we have 10-13 million which has been rumored, go out there and make strong aggressive offers to fill these holes in the roster. For example, center. We desperately need a center. Let's say the guy from Oklahoma is looking for 200K. Offer the guy 400K and be done with it. Don't let him visit Colorado. I'm just throwing numbers out there, but you see my point.

I hear ya and agree. Bates specifically may not matter as he is from Colorado and his dad is an alum and they are a winning team. I would push the overpay chips on the UaB center and guard. But I do get what you are saying.

[bulldawg28]

Correction: it?s going to be Shapen for the first 4-5 games. Then he will be out with injury. Go ahead and earmark this because it?s the truth.

Are you saying Shapen is afraid of the SEC? Lol

[KB21]

So, it is official that Stonka is moving to safety on defense? If he is, then our talent at safety has increased dramatically with the addition of Mitchell, Manning, and Burnside.

[DEDawg]

Did everyone we expect to visit make it today? Any surprises good or bad?

[KB21]

Did everyone we expect to visit make it today? Any surprises good or bad?

I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise.

[DEDawg]

I haven't seen anything to suggest otherwise.

Cool. I hope we get some good news today

[StarkVegasSteve]

Cool. I hope we get some good news today

Well we would not get any news on guys on their visit, I think we will hear something on Sategna today.

[DEDawg]

MVB to LSU is interesting. Weird he demanded starting job here but is fine being the backup there.

[HoopsDawg]

So, it is official that Stonka is moving to safety on defense? If he is, then our talent at safety has increased dramatically with the addition of Mitchell, Manning, and Burnside.

We are actually SEC quality at safety with those 3 + Isaac and Washington.

[StarkVegasSteve]

MVB to LSU is interesting. Weird he demanded starting job here but is fine being the backup there.

I do not think he will ever see the field there IMO. They will recruit over him.

[Coursesuper]

Well we would not get any news on guys on their visit, I think we will hear something on Sategna today.

As far as I?m concerned that is a good thing. Keep the fans at arms length.

[DownwardDawg]

No team is winning anything by just throwing it 10 times a game.

Sigh.......
Never mind

[DEDawg]

I do not think he will ever see the field there IMO. They will recruit over him.
Yeah very odd. Nuss is the 100% starter next season.

[MetEdDawg]

I do not think he will ever see the field there IMO. They will recruit over him.

Maybe, maybe not. But this definitely doesn't lend itself to the Van Buren sucks crowd.

And I would be really interested in what his NIL was. Because to go be the backup for at least a year, I can't imagine he got what he was asking for here.

Unless we really don't understand the money going around and we have no clue of the market.

[KB21]

Well we would not get any news on guys on their visit, I think we will hear something on Sategna today.

Might hear something on Sylla as well.

[HoopsDawg]

Maybe, maybe not. But this definitely doesn't lend itself to the Van Buren sucks crowd.

And I would be really interested in what his NIL was. Because to go be the backup for at least a year, I can't imagine he got what he was asking for here.

Unless we really don't understand the money going around and we have no clue of the market.

It's surprising to me. I don't see him starting at LSU.

[DEDawg]

Maybe, maybe not. But this definitely doesn't lend itself to the Van Buren sucks crowd.

And I would be really interested in what his NIL was. Because to go be the backup for at least a year, I can't imagine he got what he was asking for here.

Unless we really don't understand the money going around and we have no clue of the market.

He doesn?t suck you just cant give him a guarantee he will be our starter next year plus pay him a million dollars with how it went last year. Which is odd he then goes to LSU to be the backup for a year but like you said maybe they?re just throwing cash out

[msstate7]

He doesn?t suck you just cant give him a guarantee he will be our starter next year plus pay him a million dollars with how it went last year. Which is odd he then goes to LSU to be the backup for a year but like you said maybe they?re just throwing cash out

Well, lsu and state aren't equal.

[DEDawg]

Well, lsu and state aren't equal.

Right but still. Seems he wanted guaranteed playing time then quickly walked that back. But yeah maybe they just gave him 1.5M to be a backup

[Really Clark?]

It's surprising to me. I don't see him starting at LSU.

I am surprised he choose a back-up position with no shot to start unless the starter gets hurt. He had a starter opportunity here but tried to force more than he is at this point with us to go to a team with less of a chance.

[DownwardDawg]

He doesn?t suck you just cant give him a guarantee he will be our starter next year plus pay him a million dollars with how it went last year. Which is odd he then goes to LSU to be the backup for a year but like you said maybe they?re just throwing cash out

And LSU just signed a 5 star QB to start in 2026. Brilliant decisions these kids make.

[Really Clark?]

He doesn?t suck you just cant give him a guarantee he will be our starter next year plus pay him a million dollars with how it went last year. Which is odd he then goes to LSU to be the backup for a year but like you said maybe they?re just throwing cash out

They are throwing out cash but I will be shocked if he got half of his as asking price.

[MetEdDawg]

He doesn?t suck you just cant give him a guarantee he will be our starter next year plus pay him a million dollars with how it went last year. Which is odd he then goes to LSU to be the backup for a year but like you said maybe they?re just throwing cash out

Well we could have done that. We chose not to. And honestly who could blame him. We are 2-10. You want me to start for you for half a season and get tore up with a bad offensive line? I'm gonna need some guarantees.

I think we should have ponied up. Because right now we've bet on ourselves as an 2-10 team and we are currently losing that bet.

[msstate7]

I am surprised he choose a back-up position with no shot to start unless the starter gets hurt. He had a starter opportunity here but tried to force more than he is at this point with us to go to a team with less of a chance.

Nuss going pro, right?

[DEDawg]

Nuss going pro, right?

No

[Really Clark?]

Nuss going pro, right?

No he's coming back

[msstate7]

We had a solid freshman qb here a couple weeks ago, and then we thought we had another solid qb coming in. Today, we have neither... our position in the sec is being shown to us once again.

[Todd4State]

Let's all laugh at LSU right now.

[msstate7]

No

Ok, I've been playing nfl draft simulators, and he's on there, so I thought it was done deal.

[Really Clark?]

Well we could have done that. We chose not to. And honestly who could blame him. We are 2-10. You want me to start for you for half a season and get tore up with a bad offensive line? I'm gonna need some guarantees.

I think we should have ponied up. Because right now we've bet on ourselves as an 2-10 team and we are currently losing that bet.

Nobody gets to demand a starting spot coming off a 2-10 season. Nobody.

[Todd4State]

He has a little more touch than Nick. And look at the end of the day, Nick was a good QB. Moorhead just tried to turn him into a pocket passer after being in Dan’s system for 3 years. Was never going to work. People forget that Nick was a WR until senior year at a school that ran the veer. He then came into Dan’s system and was Dak’s backup for 2 years. I mean really thinking about it, Dak started every game for two years snd, outside of Troy 2015, stayed in for the whole game in almost all of them. Nick never really got to hone his skills too much. I still think Nick in 2018 would have been like Dak in 2014 had Dan stayed that year. We would have opened up the passing game a bit more with substantially more talent than we had previously had in the receiver room.

He is a big guy that played WR and defense in high school before becoming a QB and based on what I saw on film he isn't very accurate.

[DEDawg]

Ok, I've been playing nfl draft simulators, and he's on there, so I thought it was done deal.

Yeah it?s just different these days. Get your guaranteed 1.5M to be in college one more year vs getting drafted in the 5th to be a backup

[Todd4State]

Nobody gets to demand a starting spot coming off a 2-10 season. Nobody.

I'm fine with him walking. We can do better. Kromenhoek is probably as good if not better right now.

[Todd4State]

Ok, I've been playing nfl draft simulators, and he's on there, so I thought it was done deal.

They may want MVB to be the running QB for them.

[Brobi-wan]

I'm fine with him walking. We can do better. Kromenhoek is probably as good if not better right now.
At worst, it’s a wash for us.

[confucius say]

Well, lsu and state aren't equal.

Kelly went on a media tour begging for money last week. He's been slow to embrace portal pay.

[msstate7]

Kelly went on a media tour begging for money last week. He's been slow to embrace portal pay.

And you can bet he will get much more money than we will have.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Whittemore to Utah.

[confucius say]

They may want MVB to be the running QB for them.

I don't think so. He's an average runner and 185 pounds.
He's a really good backup option for them though.

[msstate7]

MVB can hit the homerun, and lsu always has big play WRs. I can see him doing well there

[Brobi-wan]

Well we could have done that. We chose not to. And honestly who could blame him. We are 2-10. You want me to start for you for half a season and get tore up with a bad offensive line? I'm gonna need some guarantees.

I think we should have ponied up. Because right now we've bet on ourselves as an 2-10 team and we are currently losing that bet.

The guy is not worth 700k. Absolutely not worth anything close to a million or over it. We’re looking 2-10 dead in the face again guaranteeing MVB to start. What did he do this year other than throw some good deep balls to make anyone think he was the guy? We’re talking about a team that lost every conference game by double digits. All of them. And he played in every conference game.

[StarkVegasSteve]

MVB can hit the homerun, and lsu always has big play WRs. I can see him doing well there

He will have to get on the field. He is not beating out Nuss, they have the number 1 QB committed for 2026, and you can bet your ass they will bring in a transfer next offseason too. Maybe this is just a move to sit behind Nuss, let people forget his 54% completion percentage, and try to get a starting spot at another school in 26.

[msstate7]

He will have to get on the field. He is not beating out Nuss, they have the number 1 QB committed for 2026, and you can bet your ass they will bring in a transfer next offseason too. Maybe this is just a move to sit behind Nuss, let people forget his 54% completion percentage, and try to get a starting spot at another school in 26.

It's weird to me that you MVB haters don't understand the concept of he's not a finished product. Hell our greatest player ever completed 58% as a 3rd year soph

[KB21]

It's weird to me that you MVB haters don't understand the concept of he's not a finished product. Hell our greatest player ever completed 58% as a 3rd year soph

In a less QB friendly passing offense.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's weird to me that you MVB haters don't understand the concept of he's not a finished product. Hell our greatest player ever completed 58% as a 3rd year soph

No one is saying he is is finished product. What we are saying is you do not give that many guarantees to a guy who needs at least another year of coaching and watching to be ready at this level. There is also the fact that good QBs make strides throughout the year, see Dak in 13. Van Buren did not. He was the same QB all year. Really good deep ball, bad pocket presence, bad ball control skills, pretty good athlete, and no touch.

[msstate7]

In a less QB friendly passing offense.

I guess you're in the MVB is a finished product camp, too? I think it's ridiculous myself. A true freshman played respectable on maybe our worst team in history, and that's saying something

[msstate7]

No one is saying he is is finished product. What we are saying is you do not give that many guarantees to a guy who needs at least another year of coaching and watching to be ready at this level. There is also the fact that good QBs make strides throughout the year, see Dak in 13. Van Buren did not. He was the same QB all year. Really good deep ball, bad pocket presence, bad ball control skills, pretty good athlete, and no touch.

Dak was what 20 years old then? And dak had a much better qb coach

[msstate7]

And if we get the fsu qb, post his comp % too. Let's not just unfairly critique MVB on his freshman performance.

[Coursesuper]

It's weird to me that you MVB haters don't understand the concept of he's not a finished product. Hell our greatest player ever completed 58% as a 3rd year soph

Why is everyone that can see that this kid is 6ft something and 180lbs not the guy to run the veer and shoot a hater? He will never be able to take the beating required to run this offense. That?s why we were coaching him to hit the ground every time he carried the ball. He and his people tried to hold us over a barrel and demand way over his value. We know we have greater needs and at worse will be back in the same situation at QB that we started last season with more help on the offensive line and a more improved defense if we can finish decently.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And if we get the fsu qb, post his comp % too. Let's not just unfairly critique MVB on his freshman performance.

Have you seen anyone praising Kromenhoek the same way people praised Van Buren? No. And I will absolutely post his completion percentage for the games he played.

[Really Clark?]

And if we get the fsu qb, post his comp % too. Let's not just unfairly critique MVB on his freshman performance.

Why are you so bent on a player that tried to stick it to us financially and with the team concept? His buddy making the same demand as well. I like him as a player as well as Arnold and LK right now but I will be damned if I defend his agents and mentality and act like we lost anything at the moment. He might have a nice career at LSU, the odds are he will be back in the portal next year if he is still the same person as today.

[msstate7]

Why are you so bent on a player that tried to stick it to us financially and with the team concept? His buddy making the same demand as well. I like him as a player as well as Arnold and LK right now but I will be damned if I defend his agents and mentality and act like we lost anything at the moment. He might have a nice career at LSU, the odds are he will be back in the portal next year if he is still the same person as today.

I have stated several times I was fine with moving on from him once I knew it's shapen's show next year. What I don't like (and will never like) is trashing a player when he played well considering the circumstances. Arnold was praised here while not being any better than MVB. The fsu guy will be praised when he wasn't any better than MVB.

[Really Clark?]

I have stated several times I was fine with moving on from him once I knew it's shapen's show next year. What I don't like (and will never like) is trashing a player when he played well considering the circumstances. Arnold was praised here while not being any better than MVB. The fsu guy will be praised when he wasn't any better than MVB.

I don't I've ever trashed his actual play. Game threads don't count and you have everyone beat on trashing during game threads. Lol

[bulldawg28]

Van Buren is that dude. However, in the SEC we're the only team outside of Auburn in a bad Qb situation. If not there would have been suitors.

[msstate7]

I don't I've ever trashed his actual play. Game threads don't count and you have everyone beat on trashing during game threads. Lol

I didn't say I'm not a hypocrite lol

[Young dawg]

Van Buren is a great talent and he really competed for us when he had the chance. I don?t think his play style really matches what we are wanting to do at the end of the day. I don?t think that everyone thinks these transfers are so much better than, but that they fit the play style we want to run better.

[Really Clark?]

I didn't say I'm not a hypocrite lol

Fair point! Hahaha

[Really Clark?]

Creed to Utah

[Brobi-wan]

I have stated several times I was fine with moving on from him once I knew it's shapen's show next year. What I don't like (and will never like) is trashing a player when he played well considering the circumstances. Arnold was praised here while not being any better than MVB. The fsu guy will be praised when he wasn't any better than MVB.

Didn’t you coin the term “Van Sucken”?

[msstate7]

Didn’t you coin the term “Van Sucken”?

No.

[LC Dawg]

Why is everyone that can see that this kid is 6ft something and 180lbs not the guy to run the veer and shoot a hater? He will never be able to take the beating required to run this offense. That?s why we were coaching him to hit the ground every time he carried the ball. He and his people tried to hold us over a barrel and demand way over his value. We know we have greater needs and at worse will be back in the same situation at QB that we started last season with more help on the offensive line and a more improved defense if we can finish decently.

I don't disagree with you but if the defense of letting MVB walk is that the current staff signed a quarterback last year that is too small to run our offense it doesn't lend much hope for the future.

[Tough Dawg]

Excellent point.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't disagree with you but if the defense of letting MVB walk is that the current staff signed a quarterback last year that is too small to run our offense it doesn't lend much hope for the future.

Well you want to develop the kid. He is not giving us a chance to do that. I also think he knows what is coming in Kamario Taylor.

[Todd4State]

Well you want to develop the kid. He is not giving us a chance to do that. I also think he knows what is coming in Kamario Taylor.

I think Kamario would have taken over by 2027 if not 2026. He could be Lebby's Dak.

[Coursesuper]

I don't disagree with you but if the defense of letting MVB walk is that the current staff signed a quarterback last year that is too small to run our offense it doesn't lend much hope for the future.

This player was a late pick up because he got dropped by Oregon and the best player available when we were in dire need of another QB. So both camps used each other for a year. We had to have a 3rd guy in the room. He was pressed into duty when not ready and did a serviceable job. That said he?s not the guy to excel in this system. Then they tried to hose us and it didn?t work out for them. That is the game today and it sux.

[Todd4State]

And if we get the fsu qb, post his comp % too. Let's not just unfairly critique MVB on his freshman performance.

Kroenhoek is the same as Van Buren but with a much higher upside. So even if all we get is Kroenhoek we're better off than we were last year.

[Todd4State]

I don't disagree with you but if the defense of letting MVB walk is that the current staff signed a quarterback last year that is too small to run our offense it doesn't lend much hope for the future.

The other option was to keep the guy Barbay recruited. That would have been way worse than MVB.

[BigDawg81]

Kroenhoek is the same as Van Buren but with a much higher upside. So even if all we get is Kroenhoek we're better off than we were last year.
No word on Kroenhoek huh?

[Really Clark?]

No word on Kroenhoek huh?

He just got here today.

[StarkVegasSteve]

No word on Kroenhoek huh?

Well he cannot technically commit til the visit is over so since he is still on the visit we will not hear anything til tomorrow.

[Really Clark?]

Well he cannot technically commit til the visit is over so since he is still on the visit we will not hear anything til tomorrow.

He can commit just can't sign papers until after midnight the day he leaves, if I'm not mistaken.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He can commit just can't sign papers until after midnight the day he leaves, if I'm not mistaken.

Correct. And he will not put out the graphic until those papers are signed.

[MetEdDawg]

He just got here today.

So he's definitely on campus already?

[RisperDawg]

The other option was to keep the guy Barbay recruited. That would have been way worse than MVB.

Idk even know who that is. Lol. Barbay recruited a QB?

[Dawgology]

MVB showed himself to the door. That's on him. He's not worth the $1.5 he asked of us (less now because nobody was going that for him) and damn sure not worth his demand to be guaranteed to be the starter. Part of the same reason we told Craver good luck elsewhere. They are NOT in position to demand anything.

I rest my motherfuxking case. This program is an absolute shitshow right now

[Todd4State]

So he's definitely on campus already?

Yes. Confirmed by Rosebowl and others.

[Todd4State]

Idk even know who that is. Lol. Barbay recruited a QB?

The guy was a Chris Relf clone.

[Dawgology]

Been told time and again we are losing no talent and they are all going to G5 schools. Nah. We are just replacing them with G5 talent.

Way to save money guys!!! Let’s just rehire Larry Templeton as AD to keep these good times rolling!!!***