2025 Transfer Portal Thread

[Really Clark?]

I rest my motherfuxking case. This program is an absolute shitshow right now

Rest it on what? He didn't get a starting job he demanded from us or close to the amount of money he wanted.

[bulldawg28]

Rest it on what? He didn't get a starting job he demanded from us or close to the amount of money he wanted.

What amount did LSU pay?

[Todd4State]

Been told time and again we are losing no talent and they are all going to G5 schools. Nah. We are just replacing them with G5 talent.

Way to save money guys!!! Let’s just rehire Larry Templeton as AD to keep these good times rolling!!!***

Meh. Let LSU waste their NIL on him.

If we get Kromenhoek and then a veteran to compete with Shapen I will take it.

[Todd4State]

Rest it on what? He didn't get a starting job he demanded from us or close to the amount of money he wanted.

And if he couldn't beat out Shapen last year there is zero reason to believe he would this offseason.

[confucius say]

Been told time and again we are losing no talent and they are all going to G5 schools. Nah. We are just replacing them with G5 talent.

Way to save money guys!!! Let’s just rehire Larry Templeton as AD to keep these good times rolling!!!***

Who have we lost because of money and going cheap?

Y'all we are 2-10 and one of, if not the, worst P4 team in the country. There aren't elite guys who want to come here. You have to build it. Get a little better each year.

[Really Clark?]

What amount did LSU pay?

I received a couple of messages saying around $350,000. But not strong or enough sources to say that for absolute certainty. I was guessing he would end up around $500,000 depending on the buyer and need.

[Dawgology]

Rest it on what? He didn't get a starting job he demanded from us or close to the amount of money he wanted.

Feel free to put as much lipstick on this pig as you want but you know very well this has been a train wreck. Again, this programs inability to commit to win is rearing its head. The fact that LSU got him for a FRaCTIOn of what he was asking for proves my point even further. At this point there is no excuse for failure.

[msstate7]

I thought this weekend was supposed to mirror OM's crazy one back in 2014 (?)

[chef dixon]

So any update on Kromenhoek's visit so far?

I'm betting we took him to church and asked him to tithe

[Really Clark?]

Feel free to put as much lipstick on this pig as you want but you know very well this has been a train wreck. Again, this programs inability to commit to win is rearing its head. The fact that LSU got him for a FRaCTIOn of what he was asking for proves my point even further. At this point there is no excuse for failure.

No it proves exactly what we said, he was not worth what he demanded from us or to guarantee a starting job for 2 years in the P4. We were absolutely correct in our value of him. He couldn't get it elsewhere either. This proves it. And you damn well would not have paid him $1.5 MIL and guaranteed him the job for 2 years. I know you know you ball and players better than this and are not stupid. I get you are 6 ways to pissed about the program, there are plenty to complain about. But MVB is a dumb ass rallying cry to vent that on.

[Coursesuper]

No it proves exactly what we said, he was not worth what he demanded from us or to guarantee a starting job for 2 years in the P4. We were absolutely correct in our value of him. He couldn't get it elsewhere either. This proves it. And you damn well would not have paid him $1.5 MIL and guaranteed him the job for 2 years. I know you know you ball and players better than this and are not stupid. I get you are 6 ways to pissed about the program, there are plenty to complain about. But MVB is a dumb ass rallying cry to vent that on.

There are way to many that fall for every line that fan boy Faulk and the Rocker with one foot in the grave are selling.

[Cowbell]

You guys can call me an idiot. But I could see MVB taking Nuss' job. That's the luckiest QB I have ever seen. He can absolutely sling it at times but he has a case of permanent happy feet and he is a nervous wreck back there with the most experience of any QB in this league outside of Milton. If MVB is coached right, he could improve enough to make that cat ride the bench. Kelly knows they will never be a contender with Nuss.,

[bulldawg28]

You guys can call me an idiot. But I could see MVB taking Nuss' job. That's the luckiest QB I have ever seen. He can absolutely sling it at times but he has a case of permanent happy feet and he is a nervous wreck back there with the most experience of any QB in this league outside of Milton. If MVB is coached right, he could improve enough to make that cat ride the bench. Kelly knows they will never be a contender with Nuss.,

I agree. He's a baller it's easy to see.

[Cowbell]

I agree. He's a baller it's easy to see.

Not easy enough for some of our own

[StarkVegasSteve]

I thought this weekend was supposed to mirror OM's crazy one back in 2014 (?)

I would think we have 1 or 2 tonight and probably at least 1 tomorrow. Although I think it could be 2. If I had to guess names it would be Sategna, Sylla, Kromenhoek, and Bates. Possibility that we also get Barnes or Smith.

[msstate7]

I would think we have 1 or 2 tonight and probably at least 1 tomorrow. Although I think it could be 2. If I had to guess names it would be Sategna, Sylla, Kromenhoek, and Bates. Possibility that we also get Barnes or Smith.

We certainly could use a win right now. I wanna announce a few and get that fsu qb even though I'm not sold on him

[BankerDog]

Not easy enough for some of our own

I saw him hop a 5 yard slant on 4 and 3 at the shoe laces of Jordan Mosley that cost us a game. I also saw him under throw a RB Wheel route in triple coverage against OM and a few drives later threw to sidelines instead of hashes leading Coleman that would?ve been a walk in TD.

If he was such a baller..don?t you think he wins more than one game as a starter? I?ll sit and wait.

Also-what if I told you the only reason they took MVB was to also try and get Craver? Kinda the reason JoeMo offered Will to get Mingo?

[BankerDog]

We certainly could use a win right now. I wanna announce a few and get that fsu qb even though I'm not sold on him

We need perception right now. Only thing we need to be selling is look at the two QBs we traded for this guy and his ?ranking?.

[KB21]

I saw him hop a 5 yard slant on 4 and 3 at the shoe laces of Jordan Mosley that cost us a game. I also saw him under throw a RB Wheel route in triple coverage against OM and a few drives later threw to sidelines instead of hashes leading Coleman that would?ve been a walk in TD.

If he was such a baller..don?t you think he wins more than one game as a starter? I?ll sit and wait.

This is why Jeff Lebby set out to upgrade over him this offseason. Unlike some of the previous coaches at Mississippi State, Jeff Lebby knows the goal of offense is to score points. He knows that points come through the passing game. He knows that a lot of points were left on the field by MVB last year. Jeff Lebby isn't a coach who is just going to try and get by at the QB position.

[bulldawg28]

I saw him hop a 5 yard slant on 4 and 3 at the shoe laces of Jordan Mosley that cost us a game. I also saw him under throw a RB Wheel route in triple coverage against OM and a few drives later threw to sidelines instead of hashes leading Coleman that would?ve been a walk in TD.

If he was such a baller..don?t you think he wins more than one game as a starter? I?ll sit and wait.

Also-what if I told you the only reason they took MVB was to also try and get Craver? Kinda the reason JoeMo offered Will to get Mingo?

How many would Shapen have won?

[BankerDog]

How many would Shapen have won?

Shapen didn?t have the run game going that was there with MVB. However I think Shapen hits some of the throws and we beat both Mizzou and OM. But again, you never know. You can?t sit there on the other side and say he could or couldn?t win whatever games. I just know Shapen didn?t have the run game going at the time of his injury that MVB did. Booth really turned it on late in the year.

Look- at end of day, MVB was only here because of Lebby. Lebby made an executive decision and whether or not you like it or not-he knows his room. It could cost him his job or he will look like a genius. But I know in business, you make an executive decision and you don?t look back. He made a decision not to cave to a $1.5MM asking price to a 20 year old freshman. There are several here who want to take ?moneyball? approach and giving that much money to MVB was not ?moneyball ?. He could turn out to be Sawyer or he could turn out to be like Locke. You never know. People didn?t think we could replace Zavion either.

[Todd4State]

I thought this weekend was supposed to mirror OM's crazy one back in 2014 (?)

No one has said that.

I just hoped that holes would be filled and that we would get Arnold because that would have been a huge perception win for MSU.

We are at least filling holes it seems like but there is a ways to go as well.

[Todd4State]

How many would Shapen have won?

More than MVB. Shapen's issue isn't talent. It's durability.

I could easily see him beating Mizzou and Ole Miss last year.

[KB21]

Among players with at least 10 pass attempts of 20+ yards, Blake Shapen was 2nd in completion percentage on those throws at 58.8%. He had the 4th highest completion percentage on intermediate passes at 72.2%.

[Cowbell]

This is why Jeff Lebby set out to upgrade over him this offseason. Unlike some of the previous coaches at Mississippi State, Jeff Lebby knows the goal of offense is to score points. He knows that points come through the passing game. He knows that a lot of points were left on the field by MVB last year. Jeff Lebby isn't a coach who is just going to try and get by at the QB position.

Why do you talk to the rest of the board like they have never seen a game of football

[Young dawg]

Shapen is a player. If he can get healthy and stay healthy that is a very good thing. If we have him at the same time that the run game finally got going there is a very good chance that we look at this season in a much brighter light. The guy can play

[Cowbell]

More than MVB. Shapen's issue isn't talent. It's durability.

I could easily see him beating Mizzou and Ole Miss last year.
Based on what?

[DEDawg]

This is why Jeff Lebby set out to upgrade over him this offseason. Unlike some of the previous coaches at Mississippi State, Jeff Lebby knows the goal of offense is to score points. He knows that points come through the passing game. He knows that a lot of points were left on the field by MVB last year. Jeff Lebby isn't a coach who is just going to try and get by at the QB position.
Yep. I know exactly who in here would be having a melt down next year when MVB dirt balls a slant on 4th and 3 to end a game lol

[Cowbell]

Among players with at least 10 pass attempts of 20+ yards, Blake Shapen was 2nd in completion percentage on those throws at 58.8%. He had the 4th highest completion percentage on intermediate passes at 72.2%.

Against who

[Cowbell]

No one has said that.

I just hoped that holes would be filled and that we would get Arnold because that would have been a huge perception win for MSU.

We are at least filling holes it seems like but there is a ways to go as well.

Actually SVS said that two days ago

[DEDawg]

Among players with at least 10 pass attempts of 20+ yards, Blake Shapen was 2nd in completion percentage on those throws at 58.8%. He had the 4th highest completion percentage on intermediate passes at 72.2%.

Ugh and that is with Traore dropping that dime for a 60 yard walk in TD at ASU. Which we lost by one score

[Cowbell]

I saw him hop a 5 yard slant on 4 and 3 at the shoe laces of Jordan Mosley that cost us a game. I also saw him under throw a RB Wheel route in triple coverage against OM and a few drives later threw to sidelines instead of hashes leading Coleman that would?ve been a walk in TD.

If he was such a baller..don?t you think he wins more than one game as a starter? I?ll sit and wait.

Also-what if I told you the only reason they took MVB was to also try and get Craver? Kinda the reason JoeMo offered Will to get Mingo?

Do you think LSU had to offer another player from us to convince craver to come there? A player worth more than craver? You can't be serious.

[KB21]

Why do you talk to the rest of the board like they have never seen a game of football

Because a few of you are about 25 years behind the rest of the world when it comes to football.

[Cowbell]

Because a few of you are about 25 years behind the rest of the world when it comes to football.

If you only knew....lol

[bulldawg28]

If you only knew....lol

Let him know, ha

[BankerDog]

Do you think LSU had to offer another player from us to convince craver to come there? A player worth more than craver? You can't be serious.

No bud, I am. Those two want to play together. Reason Craver left was because we wanted also guarantee MVB was the starter. Ask your SEC family members how recruiting works. Since you?re mouthing off so much about how things work.

[Brobi-wan]

Guess none of those 2-3 other SEC school Creed would start at wanted him. Funny

[CaptainObvious]

Maybe so, but that draft in April will let you know which one is better

It will NOT let us know which was the better College QB. Dart was better as a College QB. He may not translate to the NFL. There is no doubt Dak was the best QB in our history, and he has done very well for a 5th round draft pick. Because Eli won a couple of bowl games called SUPER in the NFL, That doesn't mean he was more rounded QB in college.

[bulldawg28]

It will NOT let us know which was the better College QB. Dart was better as a College QB. He may not translate to the NFL. There is no doubt Dak was the best QB in our history, and he has done very well for a 5th round draft pick. Because Eli won a couple of bowl games called SUPER in the NFL, That doesn't mean he was more rounded QB in college.

Eli was 10 times the Qb Dart was at Ole Miss. Eli literally called plays, adjustments, pointed out the defense, went through progressions all on each play. Dart gets his plays and audibles from a microphone in his helmet. He's spoon fed every situation. He makes no adjustments and can't read a defense. We literally only took away his deep threat and he almost lost the game. Dart is a gimmick Qb

[Cowbell]

No bud, I am. Those two want to play together. Reason Craver left was because we wanted also guarantee MVB was the starter. Ask your SEC family members how recruiting works. Since you?re mouthing off so much about how things work.

You realize that you are saying LSU is giving a "worthless" QB between 500-900k just to get Craver?

[CaptainObvious]

You realize that you are saying LSU is giving a "worthless" QB between 500-900k just to get Craver?

Well now. You finally get it.😂😂😂

[msstate7]

If they want craver, why not just give him the money they gave MVB?

[maroonmania]

This is why Jeff Lebby set out to upgrade over him this offseason. Unlike some of the previous coaches at Mississippi State, Jeff Lebby knows the goal of offense is to score points. He knows that points come through the passing game. He knows that a lot of points were left on the field by MVB last year. Jeff Lebby isn't a coach who is just going to try and get by at the QB position.

But apparently is fine to try and get by with subpar defensive coaches.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If they want craver, why not just give him the money they gave MVB?

Because Craver and Van Buren want to play together. And if you are LSU why not give Van Buren 350K-500K if you think it gives you Craver. I mean hell, OM gave little Nkemdiche 150K so they could get in the game with Robert all those years ago.

[Tough Dawg]

When are the commits gonna start rolling in SVS?

[RezDog7]

I thought this weekend was supposed to mirror OM's crazy one back in 2014 (?)

Nothing about our program mirrors OM rn.

[StarkVegasSteve]

When are the commits gonna start rolling in SVS?

Should have started hearing about them by now. There is also a chance we told Sategna to hold off to see if someone better comes aboard. He is the one I know wanted to commit.

[BigDawg81]

Should have started hearing about them by now. There is also a chance we told Sategna to hold off to see if someone better comes aboard. He is the one I know wanted to commit.
Is Sheffield still in play?

[DEDawg]

Should have started hearing about them by now. There is also a chance we told Sategna to hold off to see if someone better comes aboard. He is the one I know wanted to commit.

Wow. So sounds like no way to spin it anymore this weekend was a dud?

[Todd4State]

Based on what?

Based on the broken collarbone against Florida.

Heck in four games he almost had as many TD passes as MVB did and his completion percentage was over 10 points higher alone.

Just watching the two in person it's obvious that Shapen is better right now. Shapen's passes look like a NFL QB's passes.

[Todd4State]

You realize that you are saying LSU is giving a "worthless" QB between 500-900k just to get Craver?

It's LSU. Money is no object with them. And losing their QB recruit to Michigan really stung them hard.

So then going over the top isn't hard to believe because Craver will have multiple suitors.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is Sheffield still in play?

He is behind a few guys at the moment, and may be behind Sategna. I would take him IMO, but I am not making the decisions

[StarkVegasSteve]

Wow. So sounds like no way to spin it anymore this weekend was a dud?

Would not go there yet. I think it may just take longer to see the results. Arnold being here would have given more juice to the weekend and people might have gotten caught up and committed.

[msstate7]

Because Craver and Van Buren want to play together. And if you are LSU why not give Van Buren 350K-500K if you think it gives you Craver. I mean hell, OM gave little Nkemdiche 150K so they could get in the game with Robert all those years ago.

I think you two have let your MVB hate twist your minds. LSU wanted MVB as a capable backup in case nuss gets hurt - that's it.... end of story

[Cowbell]

It's LSU. Money is no object with them. And losing their QB recruit to Michigan really stung them hard.

So then going over the top isn't hard to believe because Craver will have multiple suitors.

Todd - no offense brother but you haven't been paying attention. Kelly has actually been slow to adapt to NIL and they don't actually have unlimited funds like you seem to believe. They don't need to take MVB to get craver if they really want him. They woulda just cut the much smaller check to craver and save money to use elsewhere.

[Cowbell]

Well now. You finally get it.😂😂😂

I get it now. You guys are just pulling my leg and don't really believe this nonsense. Y'all are too funny man. The last few days have been some of the funniest takes I've ever heard. Well done!

[Really Clark?]

Ty Cooper to Tulane

[KB21]

Would not go there yet. I think it may just take longer to see the results. Arnold being here would have given more juice to the weekend and people might have gotten caught up and committed.

Kromenhoek is also on a two day visit.

[Brobi-wan]

Is it our speculation that KT will be the starter for 2026 or is Lebby just as high on him?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Jalonnie Williams, Northern Illinois DL, visiting on Thursday.

[msstate7]

Kromenhoek is also on a two day visit.

Any other visits scheduled?

[BigDawg81]

ESPN?s Max Olsen is reporting that Texas LB Derion Gullette is currently visiting State. I think this is first time I heard this name.

[Cowbell]

Is it our speculation that KT will be the starter for 2026 or is Lebby just as high on him?

KT will most likely have to start after Shapen gets hurt in 25 and then we will likely lose him to another SEC school in the portal next December.

[CaptainObvious]

I get it now. You guys are just pulling my leg and don't really believe this nonsense. Y'all are too funny man. The last few days have been some of the funniest takes I've ever heard. Well done!

We do what we can!

[StarkVegasSteve]

ESPN?s Max Olsen is reporting that Texas LB Derion Gullette is currently visiting State. I think this is first time I heard this name.

Brought it to the board yesterday. He was the Texas LB we were discussing.

[KB21]

KT isn?t ready to start. He?s an elite talent, but because coaches in Mississippi high schools are very behind when it comes to offense, the passing game, and QBs, he?s got a ways to go.

[msstate7]

KT will most likely have to start after Shapen gets hurt in 25 and then we will likely lose him to another SEC school in the portal next December.

I don't worry about losing MS kids as much

[Cowbell]

KT isn?t ready to start. He?s an elite talent, but because coaches in Mississippi high schools are very behind when it comes to offense, the passing game, and QBs, he?s got a ways to go.

This should say a lot about the Freshman we just let transfer

[maroonmania]

I think you two have let your MVB hate twist your minds. LSU wanted MVB as a capable backup in case nuss gets hurt - that's it.... end of story

MVB supposedly demanding a starting job being willing to go sit behind Nuss at LSU makes that whole thing a joke. I would assume we would have given him 350-500K to stay. Probably even more. And MVB should know that the percentage chance of Shapen making it through the season are quite a bit less than Nuss making it.

[Really Clark?]

ESPN?s Max Olsen is reporting that Texas LB Derion Gullette is currently visiting State. I think this is first time I heard this name.

Pretty sure it was mentioned before but could be wrong. He came in yesterday I think. He has other visits lined in the SEC so his might drag on a min

[Coursesuper]

KT will most likely have to start after Shapen gets hurt in 25 and then we will likely lose him to another SEC school in the portal next December.

He has a a fabulous athlete, probably the best athlete I?ve seen in this state since David Fair, but he needs a lot of polish before he is ready to play in the SEC.

[Cowbell]

He has a a fabulous athlete, probably the best athlete I?ve seen in this state since David Fair, but he needs a lot of polish before he is ready to play in the SEC.

It was a joke (trying to keep up with all you other jokesters) although there is some half-truth to it

[Coursesuper]

It was a joke (trying to keep up with all you other jokesters) although there is some half-truth to it
Okay, he is still a special talent. I hope we can mold him into something very special in a couple of seasons.

[DownwardDawg]

Okay, he is still a special talent. I hope we can mold him into something very special in a couple of seasons.

Man, I just wonder who the coach will be in a couple of seasons. And I'm being serious.

[Cowbell]

Man, I just wonder who the coach will be in a couple of seasons. And I'm being serious.

KT in a Mullen offense would be a problem

[Brobi-wan]

Man, I just wonder who the coach will be in a couple of seasons. And I'm being serious.

Lebby for at least two more.

[Coursesuper]

Man, I just wonder who the coach will be in a couple of seasons. And I'm being serious.
Baring a complete collapse this staff has at least two more seasons. I hope they can pull it together we need stability in the program. We haven?t had any in a long time. We were starting to have some and it passed away throwing things further out of sorts.

[Tater]

Baring a complete collapse this staff has at least two more seasons. I hope they can pull it together we need stability in the program. We haven?t had any in a long time. We were starting to have some and it passed away throwing things further out of sorts.

Oh well have stability next year alright. Stable 1 win every 6 games. Hey if we're lucky we go 2-1 against in-state teams.

[Coursesuper]

Oh well have stability next year alright. Stable 1 win every 6 games. Hey if we're lucky we go 2-1 against in-state teams.

You know in my chosen profession I?ve had to deal with a lot of people. Crazy how golf and message boards bring out the worst in people. Here I don?t have to deal with childish dumbassery.

[DownwardDawg]

Baring a complete collapse this staff has at least two more seasons. I hope they can pull it together we need stability in the program. We haven?t had any in a long time. We were starting to have some and it passed away throwing things further out of sorts.

I agree we definitely need stability. But I just don't see Lebby getting a 3rd year if we suck again next year. I think money folks will pull the trigger. Then we'll start again.

[DownwardDawg]

You know in my chosen profession I?ve had to deal with a lot of people. Crazy how golf and message boards bring out the worst in people. Here I don?t have to deal with childish dumbassery.

Haha. People have melted lately.

[KB21]

Any other visits scheduled?

None that I have seen reported. There was an article in The Athletic about him as well, and when he was being recruited out of high school, he took over 50 unofficial visits but only 1 official visit. To Florida State.

[KB21]

KT in a Mullen offense would be a problem

KT in Lebby's offense will be even better. Has Mullen modernized his scheme yet?

[Young dawg]

Wonder if we are going to go after Jordan Dwyer from Idaho. Watched him the other day against Montana state dude can play.

[CaptainObvious]

His fate unfortunately may have been sealed by the SEC schedulers. To give State or Kentucky or Vandy a schedule for a 2 year home and home like they gave State is sadistic! It should be criminal. Don't we have some Attorneys who can filed an injunction against next years' State schedule? We all know UGA and Alabama would never be schedule to Top 7 SEC teams in back to back seasons!😳😳😳

[TrapGame]

I agree we definitely need stability. But I just don't see Lebby getting a 3rd year if we suck again next year. I think money folks will pull the trigger. Then we'll start again.

If we can't win at least 1 SEC game and look just as lost on defense with the same DC, I don't see Lebby surviving the outrage from the fan base for a third year. I'm barely hanging on right now and I'm usually Mr. Sunshine around here.

[confucius say]

Eli was 10 times the Qb Dart was at Ole Miss. Eli literally called plays, adjustments, pointed out the defense, went through progressions all on each play. Dart gets his plays and audibles from a microphone in his helmet. He's spoon fed every situation. He makes no adjustments and can't read a defense. We literally only took away his deep threat and he almost lost the game. Dart is a gimmick Qb

Yep. One read guy. Usually one side of the field read. Same with corral.
Talented. But not developed. Great numbers in the college game though.
(Lebby qb may be very similar by the way)

[confucius say]

We will be better defensively next year. Probably about the same offensively. Maybe a little better.
But we will have the toughest schedule in the league (america) again next year.
Then by 2026 we should be in a bowl game again.

[Really Clark?]

We offered the James Madison OT while here on a visit

[StarkVegasSteve]

We will be better defensively next year. Probably about the same offensively. Maybe a little better.
But we will have the toughest schedule in the league (america) again next year.
Then by 2026 we should be in a bowl game again.

We can get to 6 next year. It will be the same formula as last year. Keep Shapen upright and be just below average on defense. The worry will be can we run the full offense with Shapen. The one game we halfway opened it up he got hurt. I still would swing for a Preston Stone or hell even Maalik Murphy. On defense, we will be better. We just need 1 to 2 war daddies on the DL and I will feel decently confident that we can get to average next year on D.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We offered the James Madison OT while here on a visit

I would expect that one moves pretty fast IF we are pushing for his commitment. I do not know how hard we are pushing for that though.

[CaptainObvious]

Thought I would mention this even though he is not in the portal.

Luke Altmyer completed 61% of his passes for 2543 yards with 21 TDS against only 5 interceptions. He was sacked 31 times but he also ran for 4 TDS including a long of 37 yards.
Counting his 31 sacks, he is credited with 96 total carries for over 240 positive yards.
And oh yeah, his team is ranked 22 with a 9-3 record. So missing on QBs does happen and that one was in our backyard but didn't fit our offense at the time.

[Tater]

You know in my chosen profession I?ve had to deal with a lot of people. Crazy how golf and message boards bring out the worst in people. Here I don?t have to deal with childish dumbassery.

What about my comments is the worst from me?

Literally we aren't showing any reason to think we'll improve. Most of us assume we're going to be underdogs in 9/12 games next year. Add to it that NIU beat a playoff team this year + USM is about to absorb an entire conf champ, albeit Sun Belt team... and we're losing guys this dude brought in.

Start of the week I was willing to give Lebby a chance. Right now - our two deep looks thinner than a frat boy's wallet after a night at the pony.

[Cooterpoot]

Lost our best CB and haven't replaced him, plus need depth there and haven't done squat. DL recruiting is nonexistent as is Edge. Still looking for top WRs but getting next in line guys so far. OL depth is better but still short on talent, no SEC RB on this roster unless Davis is 100%. Shapen is mediocre at best. I feel great about next season! Because I see people losing their jobs next season that should've lost them this season.

[Cowbell]

Lost our best CB and haven't replaced him, plus need depth there and haven't done squat. DL recruiting is nonexistent as is Edge. Still looking for top WRs but getting next in line guys so far. OL depth is better but still short on talent, no SEC RB on this roster unless Davis is 100%. Shapen is mediocre at best. I feel great about next season! Because I see people losing their jobs next season that should've lost them this season.

Cooter you were real positive on this staff until a few weeks ago. Honestly, what changed that. You have good insight and so I'm genuinely curious.

[Dawgology]

Cooter you were real positive on this staff until a few weeks ago. Honestly, what changed that. You have good insight and so I'm genuinely curious.

Because it’s clear to anyone that has looked at programs outside of MSU that this is a total train wreck. The only ones that argue differently are mouthpieces for the good ol boy boosters and administration that have perpetuated this problem for years now.

[Todd4State]

KT in a Mullen offense would be a problem

He would be even more special in an offense where he didn't have the run the ball 25 times and throw a bunch of curls.

[Todd4State]

We can get to 6 next year. It will be the same formula as last year. Keep Shapen upright and be just below average on defense. The worry will be can we run the full offense with Shapen. The one game we halfway opened it up he got hurt. I still would swing for a Preston Stone or hell even Maalik Murphy. On defense, we will be better. We just need 1 to 2 war daddies on the DL and I will feel decently confident that we can get to average next year on D.

I agree 100%. I hope it plays out like that. Shapen's health has me worried more than anything right now.

[Todd4State]

Thought I would mention this even though he is not in the portal.

Luke Altmyer completed 61% of his passes for 2543 yards with 21 TDS against only 5 interceptions. He was sacked 31 times but he also ran for 4 TDS including a long of 37 yards.
Counting his 31 sacks, he is credited with 96 total carries for over 240 positive yards.
And oh yeah, his team is ranked 22 with a 9-3 record. So missing on QBs does happen and that one was in our backyard but didn't fit our offense at the time.

I think we chose Sawyer Robertson over him if I remember correctly?

Given our circumstances I would love to have him but I'm sure that's not going to happen.

[Bothrops]

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[Pancho]

I think we chose Sawyer Robertson over him if I remember correctly?

Given our circumstances I would love to have him but I'm sure that's not going to happen.

Luke can't stand Bielema but has chosen to stay for his last year at Illinois.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Luke can't stand Bielema but has chosen to stay for his last year at Illinois.

They are probably paying him a sizable NIL deal, he is a guaranteed starter, and their schedule is pretty manageable next year. They do have to go to Indiana, but no clue how they will look. They miss Oregon, Penn St, and Michigan. And they get Ohio St at home. They could easily go 9-3 or 10-2.

[CaptainObvious]

They are probably paying him a sizable NIL deal, he is a guaranteed starter, and their schedule is pretty manageable next year. They do have to go to Indiana, but no clue how they will look. They miss Oregon, Penn St, and Michigan. And they get Ohio St at home. They could easily go 9-3 or 10-2.

Was he a miss on our part or did he just not want to play at State?

[chef dixon]

We didn't "miss" on Altmeyer. It's taken 4 years for him to be good. That ain't happening at one school anymore

[StarkVegasSteve]

Was he a miss on our part or did he just not want to play at State?

Neither. We picked Sawyer over him. Then and now that was the correct decision.

[RezDog7]

Because it’s clear to anyone that has looked at programs outside of MSU that this is a total train wreck. The only ones that argue differently are mouthpieces for the good ol boy boosters and administration that have perpetuated this problem for years now.

The problem with firing this staff next year is the same people that hired them will get to do it again. Guess we'll be hiring the next bright OC as our coach next year. At this point, who cares.

[DownwardDawg]

The problem with firing this staff next year is the same people that hired them will get to do it again. Guess we'll be hiring the next bright OC as our coach next year. At this point, who cares.

This is the absolute biggest issue. We need new money players to make aggressive decisions but it'll be the same people so they will screw it up again.

[Todd4State]

The problem with firing this staff next year is the same people that hired them will get to do it again. Guess we'll be hiring the next bright OC as our coach next year. At this point, who cares.

Nah. MSU has more of a history of over correcting. My guess is whoever we hire will have G5 head coaching experience. Or a retread. Either way it will be someone with head coaching experience.

That's the good thing about hiring a guy like Leach. You kind of know what to expect and that's pretty much what we got.

[KB21]

Nah. MSU has more of a history of over correcting. My guess is whoever we hire will have G5 head coaching experience. Or a retread. Either way it will be someone with head coaching experience.

That's the good thing about hiring a guy like Leach. You kind of know what to expect and that's pretty much what we got.

As I have said before, the problem with going the experienced head coach route is that we do not typically get a guy like Mike Leach when we do that. We get a coach who is either at the end of their career or a coach that no one wants. I maintain my stance that an established head coach is not the way we need to go if we want to raise the ceiling on the program.

[Todd4State]

As I have said before, the problem with going the experienced head coach route is that we do not typically get a guy like Mike Leach when we do that. We get a coach who is either at the end of their career or a coach that no one wants. I maintain my stance that an established head coach is not the way we need to go if we want to raise the ceiling on the program.

Felker, Croom, Moorhead, and Arnett were all failures. Dan worked. Lebby is TBD but not looking too promising at the moment.

Bellard, Jackie, and Leach all had experience. All worked out well for us and all won at least 9 games. Bellard was the worst of the three but he was better than the others without experience minus Dan.

I mean would you take Ben Arbuckle as a head coach over GJ Kinne right now?

[Todd4State]

This is the absolute biggest issue. We need new money players to make aggressive decisions but it'll be the same people so they will screw it up again.

I also want to add that if we allow Lebby to come back for a year three after another bad year I'm 99% sure they're going to force him to get a new defensive staff. It's ridiculous that no changes have been made as of yet.

[CaptainObvious]

As I have said before, the problem with going the experienced head coach route is that we do not typically get a guy like Mike Leach when we do that. We get a coach who is either at the end of their career or a coach that no one wants. I maintain my stance that an established head coach is not the way we need to go if we want to raise the ceiling on the program.

If we keep the same AD and President, you are correct in the best "they" can do is "re-tread", twilight guy, or an inexperienced guy like an OC, DC, or Running Back Coach like we have historically to run the program. It's why we need and aggressive (willing to put his job on the line and not just a fund raiser) AD and New Blood in the top of the leadership who will tell the cigar boys to crap or get off the pot!

Even the 2 times before Leach that we hired a "Former Head Coach", Bellard was coaching a Texas High School Team and Jackie was selling cars in Houston. Leach is the only coach who was actually a HC at a Division 1 program in the 71 years I've been on this earth. So don't say it is our "best" way. It has only worked once and that guy and his wife wanted out of Starkville 3 years after getting here but couldn't parlay a better job out of it until he was Striklin's 4th or 5th choice.

[KB21]

Felker, Croom, Moorhead, and Arnett were all failures. Dan worked. Lebby is TBD but not looking too promising at the moment.

Bellard, Jackie, and Leach all had experience. All worked out well for us and all won at least 9 games. Bellard was the worst of the three but he was better than the others without experience minus Dan.

I mean would you take Ben Arbuckle as a head coach over GJ Kinne right now?

GJ Kinne is a rising young coach. Of course, I would take him but rising young coaches like him are not very interested in our job. Jamey Chadwell had absolutely no interest in our job last year.

Zach Arnett should not be considered in the same breath as Dan Mullen and Jeff Lebby, because he was nowhere near as good as a coordinator as Dan and Jeff were. Arnett was an average to below average coordinator. It was just a terrible decision to make him the head coach.

Moorhead had the experience as a head coach at Fordham. He wasn't just a coordinator who was on his first head coaching job. He was actually a successful head coach at Fordham. So, really, the only legitimate coordinators we have hired in the past 25 years are Dan Mullen and Jeff Lebby, both of whom were at the top of the profession as coordinators.

[KB21]

If we keep the same AD and President, you are correct in the best "they" can do is "re-tread", twilight guy, or an inexperienced guy like an OC, DC, or Running Back Coach like we have historically to run the program. It's why we need and aggressive (willing to put his job on the line and not just a fund raiser) AD and New Blood in the top of the leadership who will tell the cigar boys to crap or get off the pot!

Even the 2 times before Leach that we hired a "Former Head Coach", Bellard was coaching a Texas High School Team and Jackie was selling cars in Houston. Leach is the only coach who was actually a HC at a Division 1 program in the 71 years I've been on this earth. So don't say it is our "best" way. It has only worked once and that guy and his wife wanted out of Starkville 3 years after getting here but couldn't parlay a better job out of it until he was Striklin's 4th or 5th choice.

So, why exactly is Selmon getting crapped on? He's been here for two years. He isn't the one that decided to hire Zach Arnett. He did decide to hire Jeff Lebby, and I see that as a plus. It's very similar to when Greg Byrne hired Dan Mullen. Greg knew he needed a guy who could raise the ceiling on the program, and he knew he likely couldn't convince a sitting head coach who could actually raise the ceiling of the program. I mean, think about this. What if Greg had hired Derek Dooley instead of Dan Mullen because Dooley was an "experienced" head coach at Louisiana Tech at the time? I mention him, because he was a name that got mentioned for our job back then.

[CaptainObvious]

So, why exactly is Selmon getting crapped on? He's been here for two years. He isn't the one that decided to hire Zach Arnett. He did decide to hire Jeff Lebby, and I see that as a plus. It's very similar to when Greg Byrne hired Dan Mullen. Greg knew he needed a guy who could raise the ceiling on the program, and he knew he likely couldn't convince a sitting head coach who could actually raise the ceiling of the program. I mean, think about this. What if Greg had hired Derek Dooley instead of Dan Mullen because Dooley was an "experienced" head coach at Louisiana Tech at the time? I mention him, because he was a name that got mentioned for our job back then.

Not my intention to "crap" on Selmon. He is a fine young man, dedicated family man and apparently a solid fund raiser. He was very inexperienced though. Like Cohen, learning very important things on the fly, is not what State needed. He is very much in the background type of guy, staying out of focus and doesn't seem to be an approachable guy to the average donor. As much as Tenpleton was out front, he could walk right by you and never acknowledge you, so I will give Selmon that if he is in the vicinity, he will speak. How big of a search did he conduct before hiring Lebby? It is the most important hire an AD can make and it just looks like a hire or convenience.

[KB21]

Not my intention to "crap" on Selmon. He is a fine young man, dedicated family man and apparently a solid fund raiser. He was very inexperienced though. Like Cohen, learning very important things on the fly, is not what State needed. He is very much in the background type of guy, staying out of focus and doesn't seem to be an approachable guy to the average donor. As much as Tenpleton was out front, he could walk right by you and never acknowledge you, so I will give Selmon that if he is in the vicinity, he will speak. How big of a search did he conduct before hiring Lebby? It is the most important hire an AD can make and it just looks like a hire or convenience.

I get it, but what was Greg Byrne's experience before we hired him? Byrne and Selmon have very similar resumes when they took the job. So, again, this is a lot like 2009 when we had the inexperienced AD and the inexperienced head coach, and both are probably the best we have had at Mississippi State. Greg also did not have to deal with as many changes as Zac has had to deal with. Zac has done a hell of a lot to get us in the NIL game. Do we really think we would be better off if we had hired the guy at San Diego State who had ties to Mississippi State? Or Jared Benko? I think we absolutely made the correct hire.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I get it, but what was Greg Byrne's experience before we hired him? Byrne and Selmon have very similar resumes when they took the job. So, again, this is a lot like 2009 when we had the inexperienced AD and the inexperienced head coach, and both are probably the best we have had at Mississippi State. Greg also did not have to deal with as many changes as Zac has had to deal with. Zac has done a hell of a lot to get us in the NIL game. Do we really think we would be better off if we had hired the guy at San Diego State who had ties to Mississippi State? Or Jared Benko? I think we absolutely made the correct hire.

We are. I mean we swung and missed at Michael Alford. That was our big swing. We had some communication with John Currie but it never really went anywhere.

Zac has done a lot of good with all the shit he had to deal with. He came into an antiquated AD that had people on staff that did not know how to properly do their jobs, which is why he had to bring in his people. This pissed some donors off that were used to getting what they wanted from the old people in those jobs. He then had to deal with an NIL collective that was just getting off the ground being run by 1 person, and god bless Charlie for stepping up. I mean we were 18-30 months behind almost every SEC program when it came to NIL. Charlie and Zac have gotten us to only about 3-6 months behind everyone now.

[KB21]

We are. I mean we swung and missed at Michael Alford. That was our big swing. We had some communication with John Currie but it never really went anywhere.

Zac has done a lot of good with all the shit he had to deal with. He came into an antiquated AD that had people on staff that did not know how to properly do their jobs, which is why he had to bring in his people. This pissed some donors off that were used to getting what they wanted from the old people in those jobs. He then had to deal with an NIL collective that was just getting off the ground being run by 1 person, and god bless Charlie for stepping up. I mean we were 18-30 months behind almost every SEC program when it came to NIL. Charlie and Zac have gotten us to only about 3-6 months behind everyone now.

Agree, and no matter how hard Steve Robertson continues to stump for John Cohen as AD, John did not have the AD set up to go into the NIL era.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Agree, and no matter how hard Steve Robertson continues to stump for John Cohen as AD, John did not have the AD set up to go into the NIL era.

I mean I think that was obvious with The Legacy Group and signed baseballs. I mean that was typical Cohen though. He took care of baseball first instead of his two cash cows. And the baseballs were so successful that it caused the person running it to have a mental breakdown and we shuttered the thing within 5 months. So we were in the planning stages once again while everyone else was in the implementation stages. That was a year we lost right there. I mean The Bulldog Initiative was started because Charlie decided to do something. No one else was going to do anything so he, out of his devotion to Mississippi State, did something.

[Todd4State]

GJ Kinne is a rising young coach. Of course, I would take him but rising young coaches like him are not very interested in our job. Jamey Chadwell had absolutely no interest in our job last year.

Zach Arnett should not be considered in the same breath as Dan Mullen and Jeff Lebby, because he was nowhere near as good as a coordinator as Dan and Jeff were. Arnett was an average to below average coordinator. It was just a terrible decision to make him the head coach.

Moorhead had the experience as a head coach at Fordham. He wasn't just a coordinator who was on his first head coaching job. He was actually a successful head coach at Fordham. So, really, the only legitimate coordinators we have hired in the past 25 years are Dan Mullen and Jeff Lebby, both of whom were at the top of the profession as coordinators.

Just because one coach didn't want to come here doesn't mean you just stop looking for coaches with that profile. Could we get Jon Sumrall or Ryan Silverfield? Probably. We could have had Barry Odom last cycle.

[KB21]

I mean I think that was obvious with The Legacy Group and signed baseballs. I mean that was typical Cohen though. He took care of baseball first instead of his two cash cows. And the baseballs were so successful that it caused the person running it to have a mental breakdown and we shuttered the thing within 5 months. So we were in the planning stages once again while everyone else was in the implementation stages. That was a year we lost right there. I mean The Bulldog Initiative was started because Charlie decided to do something. No one else was going to do anything so he, out of his devotion to Mississippi State, did something.

Yeah. We didn't have an internal NIL infrastructure until July of this year when Terry Prentice was able to bring in his own NIL staff, and damn he hired some good ones. That guy is going to be an AD down the road.

[KB21]

Just because one coach didn't want to come here doesn't mean you just stop looking for coaches with that profile. Could we get Jon Sumrall or Ryan Silverfield? Probably. We could have had Barry Odom last cycle.

And what did Odom do when he was at Missouri? Sumrall and Silverfield are not what I consider ceiling raisers. I feel like they would be more like Billy Napier at Florida.

[Todd4State]

I mean I think that was obvious with The Legacy Group and signed baseballs. I mean that was typical Cohen though. He took care of baseball first instead of his two cash cows. And the baseballs were so successful that it caused the person running it to have a mental breakdown and we shuttered the thing within 5 months. So we were in the planning stages once again while everyone else was in the implementation stages. That was a year we lost right there. I mean The Bulldog Initiative was started because Charlie decided to do something. No one else was going to do anything so he, out of his devotion to Mississippi State, did something.

And even that was poorly run. They were charging double for baseballs signed by a college baseball than you could get for many World Series team signed baseballs. And I'm talking about the MLB World Series- not Omaha.

It was way over market.

[CaptainObvious]

And what did Odom do when he was at Missouri? Sumrall and Silverfield are not what I consider ceiling raisers. I feel like they would be more like Billy Napier at Florida.

Well man . That's like .....your opinion, man. 😂😂

Anyway. Hopefully, we get some good portal news today and tomorrow and things work out for Selmon and Lebby.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well man . That's like .....your opinion, man. ����

Anyway. Hopefully, we get some good portal news today and tomorrow and things work out for Selmon and Lebby.

I think we hear something on Kromenhoek today or tomorrow. I think we hear something on Delano Townsend in the next 48 hours as well. I really like Jesse Ramil from JMU. I think he and Townsend would be two really good OL pickups.

We really need to get going on the DL side. I continue to hear that Turner will not be back next year. Multiple people from a lot of different areas continue to say that. Him leaving would open up doors for us to shift some stuff around. I mean if it was me, I would offer the world to Orgeron. Let him coach DL and run recruiting. Hell pay him 2 mil. It also helps he hates Ole Miss.

[Cooterpoot]

Cooter you were real positive on this staff until a few weeks ago. Honestly, what changed that. You have good insight and so I'm genuinely curious.

I was optimistic until I saw Lebby had no plan and kept this terrible staff. The man isn't a HC and has no vision/plan. He knows he's getting 3 years though and that's fine, I'm just not expecting success now. You'd think working for people he's worked with, he'd be better. Can anyone look at our recruiting and see a plan? Defense isn't improving except at LB and maybe S so far. What we doing with Turner? He's toast next month but we're going to let him just cruise past recruiting to retirement? Makes no sense at all.
It's like I said before, top guys aren't coming to play in this. You've got to show progress and a plan and we have done neither. Lebby is a really good OC that's lost as a HC so far. If we don't win 5/6 games, nobody is playing here next time either.

[HancockCountyDog]

I think we hear something on Kromenhoek today or tomorrow. I think we hear something on Delano Townsend in the next 48 hours as well. I really like Jesse Ramil from JMU. I think he and Townsend would be two really good OL pickups.

We really need to get going on the DL side. I continue to hear that Turner will not be back next year. Multiple people from a lot of different areas continue to say that. Him leaving would open up doors for us to shift some stuff around. I mean if it was me, I would offer the world to Orgeron. Let him coach DL and run recruiting. Hell pay him 2 mil. It also helps he hates Ole Miss.

I don't get the Ramil offer. He has played one year of D-1 ball. He transferred to James Madison from St. Francis. I mean maybe he was a late bloomer, but I guess I just wanted to see him perform more against P4 competition.

I guess at a minimum he would be solid depth.

I'll never understand why DT has been kept on. If you don't want to fire him, move him off the field and bring in his replacement to recruit. I mean, are we really going to hire his replacement in February once the portal is closed? That makes zero sense.

[KB21]

I was optimistic until I saw Lebby had no plan and kept this terrible staff. The man isn't a HC and has no vision/plan. He knows he's getting 3 years though and that's fine, I'm just not expecting success now. You'd think working for people he's worked with, he'd be better. Can anyone look at our recruiting and see a plan? Defense isn't improving except at LB and maybe S so far. What we doing with Turner? He's toast next month but we're going to let him just cruise past recruiting to retirement? Makes no sense at all.
It's like I said before, top guys aren't coming to play in this. You've got to show progress and a plan and we have done neither. Lebby is a really good OC that's lost as a HC so far. If we don't win 5/6 games, nobody is playing here next time either.

1. He has a plan that is apparent to anyone willing to see it.
2. His staff is not terrible. The situation they came into was terrible.
3. If he was lost as a head coach, the team would have quit on him this season. They didn't. They quit on Zach Arnett last season because he was absolutely lost as a head coach and had no plan.

Too many of you are not willing to let the process play out. This was never going to be an immediate turnaround. It was always going to take time due to the destruction Arnett caused to the program.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't get the Ramil offer. He has played one year of D-1 ball. He transferred to James Madison from St. Francis. I mean maybe he was a late bloomer, but I guess I just wanted to see him perform more against P4 competition.

I guess at a minimum he would be solid depth.

I'll never understand why DT has been kept on. If you don't want to fire him, move him off the field and bring in his replacement to recruit. I mean, are we really going to hire his replacement in February once the portal is closed? That makes zero sense.

That's what I don't understand. Because everyone and their brother with a source is in agreement that Turner is gone. Sources disagree all the time, but everyone has been constant that Turner is leaving so I don't know why he is still in the building. That's the one puzzling decision. Unless we're pulling a DL coach from a team in the playoffs. That would be the only way I see Turner still being there.

[confucius say]

If we are moving on from DT, it is insane not to do it now. He can technically remain employed until January 31 if that is what needs to happen, but you can go ahead and announce a new DL coach for recruiting purposes.

[Really Clark?]

I don't get the Ramil offer. He has played one year of D-1 ball. He transferred to James Madison from St. Francis. I mean maybe he was a late bloomer, but I guess I just wanted to see him perform more against P4 competition.

I guess at a minimum he would be solid depth.

I'll never understand why DT has been kept on. If you don't want to fire him, move him off the field and bring in his replacement to recruit. I mean, are we really going to hire his replacement in February once the portal is closed? That makes zero sense.

Ramil is a late bloomer with a good pedigree. Dad played at Bama and brother is at MI State. At worse he will be a good depth piece but I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't end up a starter.

[confucius say]

Looking at Lebby's history, if he were to be hiring a DL coach, what names make sense?

[KB21]

Looking at Lebby's history, if he were to be hiring a DL coach, what names make sense?

I'm in no way pushing for this guy, but Deke Adams's contract is up in January at Arkansas much like David Turner's is up in January. Lebby coached with Adams at Ole Miss in 2020.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Looking at Lebby's history, if he were to be hiring a DL coach, what names make sense?

Miguel Chavis would definitely be a name. Todd Bates would be a grand slam hire. He's been with Venables for too long though. Rodney Garner on Heupel's staff would be a hell of a hire. Kevin Patrick at USF could be a really good hire as well.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm in no way pushing for this guy, but Deke Adams's contract is up in January at Arkansas much like David Turner's is up in January. Lebby coached with Adams at Ole Miss in 2020.

Well Deke coached here for a year under Moorhead. And was kind of toxic after he left.

[mo7888]

1. He has a plan that is apparent to anyone willing to see it.
2. His staff is not terrible. The situation they came into was terrible.
3. If he was lost as a head coach, the team would have quit on him this season. They didn't. They quit on Zach Arnett last season because he was absolutely lost as a head coach and had no plan.

Too many of you are not willing to let the process play out. This was never going to be an immediate turnaround. It was always going to take time due to the destruction Arnett caused to the program.

This

[StarkVegasSteve]

Justus Boone, Florida EDGE, tentatively scheduled to visit on the 20th. I say tentatively because he has 6 visits in 6 days. Houston, Ga Tech, Oklahoma St, and Pitt all before us. Then our old pal Dan the day after us.

[Cooterpoot]

Well Deke coached here for a year under Moorhead. And was kind of toxic after he left.

Would be baaaad!

[Dawgology]

1. He has a plan that is apparent to anyone willing to see it.
2. His staff is not terrible. The situation they came into was terrible.
3. If he was lost as a head coach, the team would have quit on him this season. They didn't. They quit on Zach Arnett last season because he was absolutely lost as a head coach and had no plan.

Too many of you are not willing to let the process play out. This was never going to be an immediate turnaround. It was always going to take time due to the destruction Arnett caused to the program.

Lay the plan out for us since you apparently know it. Or is this more piss on our heads and calling it rain? I see we’ve slipped down to #8 in the transfer portal. Also part of the plan?

[Cooterpoot]

Justus Boone, Florida EDGE, tentatively scheduled to visit on the 20th. I say tentatively because he has 6 visits in 6 days. Houston, Ga Tech, Oklahoma St, and Pitt all before us. Then our old pal Dan the day after us.

Another nothing burger at Edge

[Cooterpoot]

Edge and DL recruiting are just dead. I think we see good news in a couple spots this week. We got to sign some dogs on defense other than just LBs.

[Really Clark?]

Another nothing burger at Edge

He was good and coming into his own before his injury. He could go. Hate that for him.

[Cooterpoot]

He was good and coming into his own before his injury. He could go. Hate that for him.

Fits the mold for us though, that defense has so many injury riddled spots it's crazy. I'm not into taking any chances on those.

[Really Clark?]

Edge and DL recruiting are just dead. I think we see good news in a couple spots this week. We got to sign some dogs on defense other than just LBs.

The DL market is thin right now too with actual players. Even depth pieces you have scratch around to find.

[Really Clark?]

Fits the mold for us though, that defense has so many injury riddled spots it's crazy. I'm not into taking any chances on those.

I don't disagree. I liked the Burroughs try out, no risk, good upside. DL is crap right now otherwise.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Another nothing burger at Edge

Depth if nothing more. I'm beginning to think our coaches think that is BY FAR our worst position because they've signed a pass rushing EDGE specialist and they've brought in multiple EDGE guys. I still think we need to start seeing some movement on the DL front.

[KB21]

Depth if nothing more. I'm beginning to think our coaches think that is BY FAR our worst position because they've signed a pass rushing EDGE specialist and they've brought in multiple EDGE guys. I still think we need to start seeing some movement on the DL front.

What are y'all considering as an EDGE? Red Hibbler isn't going to be a JACK linebacker, but he's going to play DE. He's an instant starter and potential NFL guy. Sanders is going to be a solid pass rush specialist and core special teamer. We have a lot of visits with guys who will likely be the JACK linebacker. There are some that want to commit that they are holding off on.

[StarkVegasSteve]

What are y'all considering as an EDGE? Red Hibbler isn't going to be a JACK linebacker, but he's going to play DE. He's an instant starter and potential NFL guy. Sanders is going to be a solid pass rush specialist and core special teamer. We have a lot of visits with guys who will likely be the JACK linebacker. There are some that want to commit that they are holding off on.

Yea I would consider Murray a JACK and Sanders and Hibbler EDGE guys. Jalonnie Williams and Boone both would fall into the EDGE role as well.

[Young dawg]

Are there any running backs that we are looking at or do we think we are good with what we have?

[Matt3467]

#1 edge player in the portal per ON3 doesn't appear to be getting much action that I can see. With the situation we are on the line we should be talking to everybody.

[KB21]

Yea I would consider Murray a JACK and Sanders and Hibbler EDGE guys. Jalonnie Williams and Boone both would fall into the EDGE role as well.

Yeah. I think Chris Murry would be a JACK. I think Malick Sylla will be a JACK. Malik Charles could be both a JACK and a DE. Boone is probably more DE than JACK. Clev Lubin would be a JACK. I think Jalonnie Wiliams would be an interior DL.

[KB21]

On3 has us as the favorite for Nico Davillier. On3 really needs to update the size of the players in their data base.

[Cowbell]

1. He has a plan that is apparent to anyone willing to see it.
2. His staff is not terrible. The situation they came into was terrible.
3. If he was lost as a head coach, the team would have quit on him this season. They didn't. They quit on Zach Arnett last season because he was absolutely lost as a head coach and had no plan.

Too many of you are not willing to let the process play out. This was never going to be an immediate turnaround. It was always going to take time due to the destruction Arnett caused to the program.

He didn't post this to argue with you. I wanted his opinion. I happen to agree with him. But I realize we along with several others on here are just 25 years behind your great understanding of the game.

[KB21]

He didn't post this to argue with you. I wanted his opinion. I happen to agree with him. But I realize we along with several others on here are just 25 years behind your great understanding of the game.

Well, at least you realize it.

[Cowbell]

I was optimistic until I saw Lebby had no plan and kept this terrible staff. The man isn't a HC and has no vision/plan. He knows he's getting 3 years though and that's fine, I'm just not expecting success now. You'd think working for people he's worked with, he'd be better. Can anyone look at our recruiting and see a plan? Defense isn't improving except at LB and maybe S so far. What we doing with Turner? He's toast next month but we're going to let him just cruise past recruiting to retirement? Makes no sense at all.
It's like I said before, top guys aren't coming to play in this. You've got to show progress and a plan and we have done neither. Lebby is a really good OC that's lost as a HC so far. If we don't win 5/6 games, nobody is playing here next time either.

This is honestly exactly where I am at. I am still baffled at how the JA thing went down. Without even trying hard, I knew what was about to happen there based on people in multiple other programs and I thought surely our staff would be ahead of it. And they weren't. I still don't understand Charlie having to call around last minute to raise money like we didn't realize that there would be a bidding war on any decent QB in this league. We would have been better off to have never been in the game with him than to take that PR hit. It's almost like we knew we were going to let MVB walk and we needed something to give fans optimism for a few days.

[Cowbell]

Well, at least you realize it.

Thanks for the compliment. Maybe one day I will become a true student of the game.

"Alexa what is a JACK linebacker"

[StarkVegasSteve]

On3 has us as the favorite for Nico Davillier. On3 really needs to update the size of the players in their data base.

Which is weird because Nakos reported his top two to be UCLA and A&M like 2 hours ago.

[Dawgology]

Well, at least you realize it.

But what is Lebby’s plan. You said it’s apparent to anyone who knows football.

[KB21]

But what is Lebby’s plan. You said it’s apparent to anyone who knows football.

Pretty much the same plan Kenny Dillingham had when he took over the Arizona State mess. Even Dillingham had the true freshman starting QB who decided to transfer out because he wasn't guaranteed a starting spot.

[Cooterpoot]

Pretty much the same plan Kenny Dillingham had when he took over the Arizona State mess. Even Dillingham had the true freshman starting QB who decided to transfer out because he wasn't guaranteed a starting spot.

This year coming up will be similar to this season. Dillingham flipped it in two years, we will not. We can end that comparison right there.

[HancockCountyDog]

On3 has us as the favorite for Nico Davillier. On3 really needs to update the size of the players in their data base.

We aren't in his final two.

[1bigdawg]

This year coming up will be similar to this season. Dillingham flipped it in two years, we will not. We can end that comparison right there.

He was not playing our schedule, either. 6-6 would be a real turnaround next year.

[KB21]

This year coming up will be similar to this season. Dillingham flipped it in two years, we will not. We can end that comparison right there.

Dillingham had a much easier schedule, and no. This year will not be like last year. We will be better. May not win more than 5, but the talent on the team will be better than the shit Lebby inherited.

[KB21]

Also, Dillingham's first portal class was rated 17th in the country and produced 3 wins while playing a Pac 12 schedule. His second portal class was rated 30th, and the two classes combined to produce this season along with a light schedule.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He was not playing our schedule, either. 6-6 would be a real turnaround next year.

I think we can get to 6-6. We're not as far off FROM THAT as people think. Arizona St will be down next year. Cam Skattebo's don't come around every day. No one will fear their offense next year like they did with him. And we get Arky next year, who may be worse than we were this year. That means we just have to pick someone off. I think Tennessee will be in a bit of flux next year. They lose a lot off that D. TBD on how OM will look. Losing Dart is bigger than their fans want to realize it is. They also will lose Nolan, Paul, Amos, Umanmielen, Ivey, and Pegues off their D. That's a lot of replacement they'll need to do and they have to hit at the same rate as last year. I mean the younger Umanmielen is nowhere near the talent of Princely. He's more a project than a bonafide SEC guy.

[Cooterpoot]

I see no path to 6 wins with us completely rebuilding the offense and struggling to sign DL/Edge/CB. I was optimistic last year, I'm not this year after seeing this staff at work.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Starting to break a little in some circles that Kromenhoek will be announcing his commitment to us pretty soon. Nothing official from anyone with some clout, but I think we could see a Nakos or Wiltfong tweet before too long announcing it.

[KB21]

It's starting to leak out that Luke Kromenhoek will transfer to Mississippi State. Hell of a job by Jeff Lebby!!

[BigDawg81]

We got a QB

[StarkVegasSteve]

I see no path to 6 wins with us completely rebuilding the offense and struggling to sign DL/Edge/CB

Shapen will start again. He was/is better than Van Buren and would've started regardless of what Van Buren elected to do. So you're not losing anything there.

You have replaced Craver with Thompson. Someone would need to step up to replace the Coleman production but I don't think we'll struggle to find that tbh. This offense lends itself to receivers putting up big numbers.

You do need to replace Miner but that's about it on the OL. You're just getting better up front. Not really a rebuild.

On D, you definitely need to find a starting CB and two war daddies up front at DT. But you already have one EDGE guy who could also play JACK in Sanders. You also have a true EDGE in Hibbler.



The lack of DT visitors and the Arnold miss is clouding everyone's judgement that through 7 days, this is a good portal class. Now, you can't stay with these same guys for the next 10-12 days. But this is a good start.

[Pinto]

Any chance we could bring Fletcher Cox back as a d line coach or at least off the field analyst?

[StarkVegasSteve]

And........there it is. Luke Kromenhoek.

Number 4 overall player in the portal and no 2 QB accd to 247

Number 18 overall player in the portal and no 2 QB accd to On3


Edit: Mateer was added to On3 portal, was already in 247, so Kromenhoek dropped to 19 and no 3 QB on there.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Any chance we could bring Fletcher Cox back as a d line coach or at least off the field analyst?

Fletcher has less than zero desire to coach. He's retired to Yazoo City with 100 million plus in the bank.

[KB21]

Fletcher has less than zero desire to coach. He's retired to Yazoo City with 100 million plus in the bank.

I bet he has some land that he's going to spend a majority of his time hunting on as well.

[bulldawg28]

Fletcher has less than zero desire to coach. He's retired to Yazoo City with 100 million plus in the bank.

He could be our Warren Sapp

[StarkVegasSteve]

I bet he has some land that he's going to spend a majority of his time hunting on as well.

Fletcher has A LOT of land.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He could be our Warren Sapp

He doesn't want to. Maybe in 5-10 years, but right now he just wants to relax and hunt. He deserves it.

[bulldawg28]

He doesn't want to. Maybe in 5-10 years, but right now he just wants to relax and hunt. He deserves it.

Agreed

[StarkVegasSteve]

Agreed

And btw, I would love to have Fletcher on staff in any capacity he wanted to be. Would be a huge boom for us to have a guy on staff that was the highest paid defensive player in NFL history at one point.

[RisperDawg]

And........there it is. Luke Kromenhoek.

Number 4 overall player in the portal and no 2 QB accd to 247

Number 18 overall player in the portal and no 2 QB accd to On3

Awesome.

[Irondawg]

Finally went back and watched the FSU/Miami game to watch Luke a little more. He and MVB are different for sure, but worst case, the production should be about the same. MVB throws a better deep ball, Luke throws a better intermediate ball. MVP a little quicker in moving around the pocket - Luke is stronger and can break a tackle.

I think at worst it's an even trade (minus the experience in Lebby's offense) but I think Luke may have a touch more upside in this system.

[KB21]

Finally went back and watched the FSU/Miami game to watch Luke a little more. He and MVB are different for sure, but worst case, the production should be about the same. MVB throws a better deep ball, Luke throws a better intermediate ball. MVP a little quicker in moving around the pocket - Luke is stronger and can break a tackle.

I think at worst it's an even trade (minus the experience in Lebby's offense) but I think Luke may have a touch more upside in this system.

Luke has a better feel for the pocket, which cancels out MVB's quickness of movement around the pocket, IMO. Lebby was always onto MVB about stepping up into the pocket.

[KB21]

I'm curious of we see Joseph Williams make a decision. He seems to be very attracted to Jeff's offense.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Finally went back and watched the FSU/Miami game to watch Luke a little more. He and MVB are different for sure, but worst case, the production should be about the same. MVB throws a better deep ball, Luke throws a better intermediate ball. MVP a little quicker in moving around the pocket - Luke is stronger and can break a tackle.

I think at worst it's an even trade (minus the experience in Lebby's offense) but I think Luke may have a touch more upside in this system.

Well I mean you can look at the ratings and figure out what people thought of upside on Kromenhoek vs Van Buren


247: Kromenhoek 2/Van Buren 12

On3: Kromenhoek 3/ Van Buren 10

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm curious of we see Joseph Williams make a decision. He seems to be very attracted to Jeff's offense.

Feels like that could be next, if we told him to commit.

[KB21]

Well I mean you can look at the ratings and figure out what people thought of upside on Kromenhoek vs Van Buren


247: Kromenhoek 2/Van Buren 12

On3: Kromenhoek 3/ Van Buren 10

Coming out of high school:
247: Kromenhoek 97/Van Buren 89

On3: Kromenhoek 96.46/Van Buren 89.58

[KB21]

Feels like that could be next, if we told him to commit.

There has been a Jalen Smith update as well, but I don't have an On3 account to know what it is.

[confucius say]

This year coming up will be similar to this season. Dillingham flipped it in two years, we will not. We can end that comparison right there.

Well we certainly aren't going 10-2 in 2025.
But ASU is 6-6 against our schedule. Maybe 7-5.
They beat us at home by 7.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well we certainly aren't going 10-2 in 2025.
But ASU is 6-6 against our schedule. Maybe 7-5.
They beat us at home by 7.

They were also 5-0 in one score games. They will return to the mean next year. Funny enough, guess who else was 10-2 last year and was 4-0 in one score games? Ole Miss. You know what they were this year in one score games? 0-3.

[BankerDog]

Fletcher has less than zero desire to coach. He's retired to Yazoo City with 100 million plus in the bank.

Not Yazoo but out in Texas on his ranch. Pretty nice.

We need to go lock up Pernell and bring him
Back from Michigan to coach DL. Apparently a strong recruiter as well.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Paul Jones said this morning he feels really confident about both Trevion Barnes(FIU LB) and Jalen Smith(Tennessee LB). Smith told him he expects to make a decision this week.

[Dawgface]

With Shapen out for Spring practice Kromenhoek will get plenty of reps to help bring him up to speed. Didn’t I read where Taylor will be enrolling in January?

[StarkVegasSteve]

With Shapen out for Spring practice Kromenhoek will get plenty of reps to help bring him up to speed. Didn’t I read where Taylor will be enrolling in January?

I believe that is correct.

[confucius say]

Are y'all referencing an official tweet or release about LK? Or just rumors?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Are y'all referencing an official tweet or release about LK? Or just rumors?

Paul Jones, Robbie Faulk, Brian Hadad, and Steve Robertson are all hinting at it. That's too many people for it to just be a rumor. He just hasn't released anything official. I'm sure waiting to get the graphic from whoever is making it for him.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Josh Moten, Marshall CB, visiting this week. Fmr A&M signee who has blown up at Marshall the last two years. 68 tackles and 6 INTs in two years. Would be a big pickup and would probably start opposite Jones.

[Really Clark?]

Josh Moten, Marshall CB, visiting this week. Fmr A&M signee who has blown up at Marshall the last two years. 68 tackles and 6 INTs in two years. Would be a big pickup and would probably start opposite Jones.

Would be a good get but everyone better be patient. He will take awhile before he decides and is coveted.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Would be a good get but everyone better be patient. He will take awhile before he decides and is coveted.

Yea says he will decide on or around New Years. Lot of P4 programs on him

[KB21]

Would be a good get but everyone better be patient. He will take awhile before he decides and is coveted.

Wait. Are you saying don't melt down if he doesn't commit on the spot?

[KB21]

I suspect we will see Denver Harris come in soon as well.

[DEDawg]

Is Nic Anderson still a possibility? I'm assuming that ship has sailed since there was a ton of smoke then he didn't commit or have heard anything new

[StarkVegasSteve]

We are bringing in Idaho WR Jordan Dwyer for a visit within the next week. 78/1192/12 this year

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is Nic Anderson still a possibility? I'm assuming that ship has sailed since there was a ton of smoke then he didn't commit or have heard anything new

The smoke was Twitter rumors more than anything. I think there was a 247 thread started that someone saying his coach told the guy that Anderson had silently committed to us. No one ever followed up on it though. I think it kind of blew up from there. I think some had some hope that since Brenan Thompson came out of nowhere that Anderson would too. I know Anderson likes Lebby a lot but he has a bunch of suitors in the portal. I am surprised David Johnson has not predicted him to end up at Ole Miss yet. He does it with almost every player that goes into the portal.

[DEDawg]

The smoke was Twitter rumors more than anything. I think there was a 247 thread started that someone saying his coach told the guy that Anderson had silently committed to us. No one ever followed up on it though. I think it kind of blew up from there. I think some had some hope that since Brenan Thompson came out of nowhere that Anderson would too. I know Anderson likes Lebby a lot but he has a bunch of suitors in the portal. I am surprised David Johnson has not predicted him to end up at Ole Miss yet. He does it with almost every player that goes into the portal.

That sucks. Ole Miss is killing it too, they got all the good players on Arkansas's team as well

[StarkVegasSteve]

Jesse Ramil, James Madison OL, has committed.

[DEDawg]

Ashton Daniels to AU as well

[Cooterpoot]

Josh Moten, Marshall CB, visiting this week. Fmr A&M signee who has blown up at Marshall the last two years. 68 tackles and 6 INTs in two years. Would be a big pickup and would probably start opposite Jones.

This one would be MASSIVE

[Cooterpoot]

Jesse Ramil, James Madison OL, has committed.

Can't be worse than we had at LT this year

[KB21]

Jesse Ramil, James Madison OL, has committed.

Also offered his younger brother, who is a TE/DE prospect for 26.

[DEDawg]

We on Amaris Williams? Didn't do much last year but some massive talent we could work with our new DL coach

[KB21]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/l3vR6aasfs0Ae3qdG/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952csz6wnxwszrc71gbvv3bd4b6ji85 fg5ct2z5qnvm&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[Really Clark?]

Kendrick Law to visit this weekend

[StarkVegasSteve]

Kendrick Law to visit this weekend

Would be a MASSIVE pickup.

[DEDawg]

Kendrick Law to visit this weekend

That is one of the guys we can?t let leave the building. With us not paying Coleman or Craver anymore need to just make the right offer and make it happen.

[Cowbell]

Would be a good get but everyone better be patient. He will take awhile before he decides and is coveted.

Thanks for the insight and for the brake application

[msstate7]

Today is looking much better

[Cowbell]

We are bringing in Idaho WR Jordan Dwyer for a visit within the next week. 78/1192/12 this year

Serious production - would be a major upgrade from Creed in that style of WR

[Cowbell]

Yep it's good to finally get some optimism

[StarkVegasSteve]

Today is looking much better

It's a really good portal class right now. We can't rest on that though. We need a great portal class.

[Young dawg]

Watched Dwyer this past Friday. Dude couldn?t be stopped, would love to get him.

[Pancho]

how is kromenhoek pronounced?

[StarkVegasSteve]

how is kromenhoek pronounced?

Crow-Men-Hawk

[StarkVegasSteve]

Maybe nothing, but Kromenhoek still hasn't officially committed. Seems Steve, Paul, etc may have jumped the gun on this one. Not saying that he won't commit but I don't get the feeling it will be today. Just a gut feeling after reading Robertson's article.

Of course they're now CYA'ing saying that their tweets and posts were about Ramil. I don't believe that though.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ashton Daniels commits to Auburn. Interesting that they still brought him in after getting Arnold. He also now has the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever.

[bulldawg28]

Ashton Daniels commits to Auburn. Interesting that they still brought him in after getting Arnold. He also now has the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever.

He should stay where he is

[confucius say]

Maybe nothing, but Kromenhoek still hasn't officially committed. Seems Steve, Paul, etc may have jumped the gun on this one. Not saying that he won't commit but I don't get the feeling it will be today. Just a gut feeling after reading Robertson's article.

Of course they're now CYA'ing saying that their tweets and posts were about Ramil. I don't believe that though.

We are good.

[Dawgology]

Maybe nothing, but Kromenhoek still hasn't officially committed. Seems Steve, Paul, etc may have jumped the gun on this one. Not saying that he won't commit but I don't get the feeling it will be today. Just a gut feeling after reading Robertson's article.

Of course they're now CYA'ing saying that their tweets and posts were about Ramil. I don't believe that though.

Thought you said earlier that they can’t commit until the day after their visit ends?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Thought you said earlier that they can’t commit until the day after their visit ends?

It is a weird rule. I think technically they can commit midnight of the last day of their visit. But honestly not even sure on that. Rules are really weird and vague for it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We are good.

Oh I think he does end up here. I just think it may not be today like they were all hinting.

[confucius say]

Oh I think he does end up here. I just think it may not be today like they were all hinting.

It won't be. At least not officially. The earliest it can be officially is tomorrow morning is my understanding.
He can commit today if he wants, but not sign anything.

[DownwardDawg]

Thought you said earlier that they can’t commit until the day after their visit ends?

They can commit anytime they want to.

[KB21]

Dowdell in the portal again.

[Todd4State]

Dowdell in the portal again.

We should offer.

[Coursesuper]

Dowdell in the portal again.

What kind of year did he have?

[StarkVegasSteve]

What kind of year did he have?

143/614/12. If you could get him and not break the bank doing it, he'd be worth it.

[Irondawg]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4923252/dante-dowdell

Decent year

[civildawg]

Is the West Point rb that went to Florida staying at UF?

[Coursesuper]

143/614/12. If you could get him and not break the bank doing it, he'd be worth it.
Agreed, he a good back, durable also.

[Coursesuper]

Is the West Point rb that went to Florida staying at UF?

Picayune, went to Oregon then to Neb.

[Cooterpoot]

It's a really good portal class right now. We can't rest on that though. We need a great portal class.

It's a good offensive class

[Cooterpoot]

We should offer.

If would can't afford Hardy, we probably can't afford Dowdell either

[civildawg]

Talking about Daniels not dowdell

[StarkVegasSteve]

If would can't afford Hardy, we probably can't afford Dowdell either

Ehh kid on his 3rd school in 4 years is going to have a little less of a market than the Freshman who had a breakout season at the G5 level.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is the West Point rb that went to Florida staying at UF?

Yes. Daniels is staying at Florida as of 7:17 PM CST on December 16, 2024. This is the portal era though. Kid could be in tomorrow at 8 AM.

[Irondawg]

143/614/12. If you could get him and not break the bank doing it, he'd be worth it.

I'll be curious how much traction he gets this time around as he's not elite and you know he's a one year rental before entering again next year. Might be worth a small overpay to get back in good graces with the handler though since he has a some in-state influence.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'll be curious how much traction he gets this time around as he's not elite and you know he's a one year rental before entering again next year. Might be worth a small overpay to get back in good graces with the handler though since he has a some in-state influence.

That handler hates us. He'll attempt to stick it to us once again. Good news is that he hates OM equally as much.

[KB21]

RB is the position I would spend the least amount of NIL funds in. RB and 2 down run stuffing DL who can?t rush the passer.

I?d spend the most on QB, pass rushers, pass defenders, and pass protectors.

[Travelingdawg]

I'll be curious how much traction he gets this time around as he's not elite and you know he's a one year rental before entering again next year. Might be worth a small overpay to get back in good graces with the handler though since he has a some in-state influence.

Who is the handler asking for a friend?

[KB21]

Lawrence Hopkins, who is his step dad.

[Brobi-wan]

Will Seth Davis be back next year? Also, is Xavier Gayten a legitimate SEC back?