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StarkVegasSteve
11-12-2024, 04:41 PM
Portal Opens Dec 9th.

I know it's a few weeks early but I figured I would go ahead and get this started and get some names going. I will bold the names that are officially in the portal and the rest will be guys I think will probably get into the portal/I hope they go in the portal. I will update it as we go along and add any names that you hear as well.


Quarterback

Luke Kromenhoek-Florida St-committed to Mississippi State 12/17

John Mateer-Wazzu-committed to Oklahoma
Preston Stone-SMU-committed to Northwestern
Jackson Arnold-OU-committed to Auburn
Miller Moss-USC-committed to Louisville
Rickie Collins-LSU-committed to Syracuse
Brayden Dorman-Arizona
Kaidon Salter-Liberty-committed to Colorado
Grant Wilson-Old Dominion-committed to Indiana
Conner Weigman-A&M-committed to Houston
Ethan Vasko-Coastal Carolina-committed to Liberty
Marcos Davila-Purdue-committed to Nebraska
Darian Mensah-Tulane-committed to Duke
Walker Howard-Ole Miss-committed to ULL
Chandler-Morris-North Texas-committed to Virginia
Maalik Murphy-Duke-committed to Oregon St
Deshawn Purdie-Charlotte-committed to Florida


RB

Fluff Bothwell-South Alabama-committed to Mississippi State 12/24

Leshon Williams-Iowa-commited to Memphis. Decommitted from Memphis and committed to Kansas
Michael Allen-UNLVcommitted to Marshall
Rocko Griffin-UTSA
Makhi Hughes-Tulane
Zuberi Mobley-FAU-committed to Tulane
Ahmad Hardy-ULM-committed to Mizzou
Emeka Megwa-Oklahoma


WR/TE

Brenan Thompson-Oklahoma-committed to Mississippi State 12/13
Jaron Glover-Michigan St.-committed to Mississippi State 12/13
Cam Thompson-Northern Illinois-committed to Mississippi State 01/06
Markus Allen-Eastern Michigan-committed to Mississippi State 01/07
Ayden Williams-Ole Miss-committed to Mississippi State 01/10
Anthony Evans-Georgia-committed to Mississippi State 1/15

Eric Rivers-FIU-committed to Ga Tech
Donovan McCulley-Indiana-committed to Michigan
Jaedon Wilson-Arkansas-committed to UCLA
Chrishon McRay-Kent St-committed to Michigan St
Johntay Cook-Texas-committed to Washington
Xavier Townsend-UCF-committed to Iowa St
Javonnie Gibson- UAPB-committed to Oklahoma
Zach Atkins-TE-NW MO State-committed to Colorado
Cooper Barkate-Harvard-committed to Duke
Caleb Goodie-Colorado St-committed to Cincinnati
Omari Kelly-MTSU-committed to Michigan St
KC Concepcion-NC State-committed to Texas A&M
JaQuaize Pettaway-Oklahoma-committed to East Carolina
Micah Hudson-Texas Tech-committed to Texas A&M
Sterling Berkhalter-Cincinnati-committed to Wake Forest
CJ Daniels-LSU-commited to Miami
Jimmy Calloway-Louisvillecommitted to Tulane
Kobe Prentice-Alabama-committed to Baylor
Luke McGary-TE-Tulsa-committed to Houston
Dane Key-Kentucky-committed to UGA
Barion Brown-Kentucky-committed to LSU
Nic Anderson-Oklahoma-committed to LSU
Kendrick Law-Alabama-committed to Kentucky
Isaiah Sategna-Arkansas-committed to Oklahoma
Destyn Hill-Florida St-committed to LSU
De'Zhaun Stribling-Oklahoma St-committed to Ole Miss
DT Sheffield-North Texas-committed to Rutgers
Jalil Farooq-Oklahoma-committed to Maryland
Cody Hardy-TE-Elon-committed to NC State
Nyziah Hunter-Calcommitted to Nebraska
Cam Vaughn-Jacksonville St-committed to West Virginia
Squirrel White-Tennessee-committed to Florida St
Dazmin James-Arkansas



OL

Jesse Ramil-James Madison-committed to Mississippi State 12/16
Koby Keenum-Kentucky-committed to Mississippi State 12/22
Trevor Mayberry-Stanford-committed to Mississippi State 1/20
Jaekown Bouldin-Purdue-committed to Mississippi State 4/22
Blake Steen-UVA-committed to Mississippi State 4/24

Nicholas Hilliard-Princeton
Carter Miller-ULM-committed to Colorado. Decommitted and committed to UCF
Jordan White-Liberty-committed to Vandy
Jason Brooks-Oklahoma St-committed to Nebraska
Marcus Williams-TCU
Jordan Herman-Charlotte
Jordan Church-FAU-committed to Louisville
Mike Entwhistle-Harvard
Ryan Merklinger-Western Illinois
Mo Clipper Jr.-Charlotte
Derek Simmons-Western Carolina-committed to Oklahoma
Caleb Carter-Western Carolina-committed to Michigan St
Terrance Caldwell-Weber St-
Will O'Steen-Jacksonville St
Brady Ploucha-Central Michigan
Kyrik Mason-Ga State
Naeer Jackson-FIU-committed to Louisville
Madden Sanker-Louisville
Ender Aguilar-Tulsa
Kasen Carpenter Tulsa-committed to Oklahoma St
Brady Wilson-UAB-committed to Virginia
Travis Burke-FIU
John Bock-FIU-committed to Tulane
Mahamane Moussa-Purdue-committed to Louisville
Terrence Moore-Pitt-committed to Toledo
Eli Sutton-UNC
Corey Robinson II- Ga Tech-committed to Arkansas
Jordan White-Liberty-committed to Vandy
Xavior Gray-Liberty-committed to Northwestern
Luke Baklenko-Stanford-committed to Oklahoma
Aki Ogunbiyi-A&M
Teague Anderson-Utah Stcommitted to NC State
Gino Quinones-USC
Matthew Wykoff-Cal-committed to Houston
Kendall Stanley-Charlotte
Alvin Ebosele-Baylor
Courtland Ford-Kentuckycommited to UCLA
Josh Thompson-Northwestern
Hunter Zambrano-Illinois St-committed to Texas Tech
Charlie Patterson-UVA
Patrick Kutas-Arkansas-committed to Ole Miss
Ben Christman-Kentucky
Caden Kilter-UCF-committed to Arkansas
Payton Kirkland-Colorado
Hunter Whitenack-Illinois
Andrew Gentry-Michigan
Joshua Braun-Arkansas-committed to Kentucky
TJ Shannahan-A&M
Howard Sampson-UNC-committed to Texas Tech

DL

Jamil Burroughs-Miami-committed to MSU 12/7
Red Hibbler-NC State-committed to Mississippi State 12/11
Nevaeh Sanders-Northern Illinois-Committed to Mississippi State 12/13
Jaray Bledsoe-Texas-committed to Mississippi State 12/21
Malick Sylla-A&M-Committed to Mississippi State 12/22
Darron Reed Jr.-Auburn-committed to Mississippi State 12/26
Raishein Thomas-Northern Illinois-committed to Mississippi State 12/27
Will Whitson-Coastal Carolina-committed to Mississippi State 12/30

Jaheim Oatis-Alabamacommitted to Colorado
Keon Keely-Alabama
Jordan Hall-UGA
Da'Shawn Womack-LSU-committed to Ole Miss
Vic Burley-Clemson
Gabriel Brownlow-Dindy-A&M-committed to USCe
Enai White-A&M-committed to Penn St
Aiden Gobaira- Notre Dame
Jeffrey Bowie-Iowa
Brodarius Lewis-USM
Travis Shaw-UNC
Tamatoa McDonough-Yale
Beau Atkinson-UNC
Nick Booker-Brown-UTSA
Tai Newhouse-Tulsa
Mason Reiger-Louisville-committed to Wisconsin
Owen Ostroski-Tulsa
Vontroy Malone-Tulsa-committed to Iowa St
Justus Boone-Florida-committed to Arkansas
Demon Clowney-Charlotte
Dominique Ratcliff-Texas State
Langden Kitchen-NW Missouri St
Horace Lockett-Ga Tech
Jimari Butler-Nebraska-committed to LSU
Gage Keys-Auburn-committed to Kansas
Curtis Neal-Wisconsin-committed to Illinois
Michael Diatta-Virginia
Keeshawn Silver-Kentucky-committed to USC
Cole Brevard-Purdue-committed to Texas
Bryce Dixon-Liberty
Demerick Morris-Temple
James Thompson Jr.-Wisconsin
Matthew Alexander-UCF
Rayyan Buell-Colorado
Nate Johnson-App State-committed to Missouri
Will Heldt-Purdue-committed to Clemson
Tomiya Durojaiye-Florida St
Deante McCray-Western Kentucky-committed to Florida St
Tony Grimes-UNLV
Josh Celiscar-A&M-committed to South Florida
Dante Anderson-Florida St
Bear Alexander-USC-committed to Oregon
Reginald Hughes-Jacksonville St-committed to Colorado
Malik Charles-West Georgia -committed to Oklahoma St
Nico Davillier-Arkansas-committed to UCLA
Justice Finkley-Texas



LB

Derion Gullette- Texas- committed to Mississippi State 12/18
Jalen Smith-Tennessee-committed to Mississippi St 12/19

Travion Barnes-FIU-committed to Baylor
Red Murdock-Buffalo
Joseph Carter-Liberty
Bryun Parham-Washington-committed to UCONN
Keanu Koht- Alabama-committed to Vandy
Vic Shaw-UTSA
Reggie Peterson-FIU
Leon Lowery-Wisconsin-committed to Illinois
Drew Francis-MTSU
Mohamed Kaba-USCe
Clev Lubin-Coastal Carolina-committed to Louisville
Yanni Karlaftis-Purdue-committed to Northwestern
Mikai Gbayor-Nebraska
Andrew Jones-Grambling-committed to South Carolina. Decommitted and committed to Ole Miss
Princewill Umanmielen-Nebraska-committed to Ole Miss
Josiah Trotter-West Virginia
Cam Burden-Charlotte
Shad Banks-TCU
Jacob Manu-Arizona-committed to Washington
Keli Lawson-Va Tech
Landyn Watson-Marshallcommitted to Kentucky


DB
Jayven Williams- Kennesaw St- committed to MSU 11/24
Jahron Manning-ODU-committed to Mississippi St 12/11
Dwight Lewis-Marain(NAIA)-committed to Mississippi State 01/03

Tyree Skipper-ULL
Jahari Rodgers-SMU-committed to Nevada
Jaden Mickey-Notre Dame
Key Lawrence-Ole Miss
Raion Strader-Miami (OH)-committed to Auburn
Geimere Latimer-Jacksonville St
Syncere Safeeullah-Nebraska
Craig McDonald-Minnesota
Tahj Ra-El- Memphis
Jaylen Dotson-Kent St
Isaiah Reed- Brown
CJ Heard-FAU
Adrian Maddox-UAB
Gavin Shipman-Harvard
Jordan Dunbar-Kansas St-committed to Bowling Green
Kaleb Cost-UNC
Teagan Wilk-Houston
Julian Humphrey-UGA
Cole Wisniewski-North Dakota St.
Matthew McDoom-Coastal Carolina
DD Snyder-Ball State
Marvae Myers-Glover-MTSU
Micah Harper-BYU
Hezekiah Masses-FIU
Jaylen Lewis-Temple
Jahlil Hurley-Alabamacommitted to Kansas
Ja'Keem Jackson-Florida
Dontae Balfour-Charlotte
AJ Odums-UTEP
Benjamin Perry-Louisville
CJ Heard-FAU
Avarion Cole-App State
Devin Turner-Northwestern
Caleb Weaver-Sam Houston St
Theran Johnson-Northwestern
Dillon Thieneman-Purdue
Demari Henderson-UCF
Antione Jackson-UCF
Ja'Cari Henderson-UCF
Andre Jordan Jr.- Oregon St
Amariyun Knighten-Ball State
Jordan Matthews-Tennessee
Denver Harris-UTSA
DJ Harvey-SJSU
Noah Avinger-New Mexico
Jalen Stroman-Va Tech
Kendal Daniels-Oklahoma St
Laterrance Welch-Arizona St
TJ Metcalf-Arkansas
PJ Woodland-LSU
Michael Coats Jr.-Nevada
Stephen Hall-Washington St
King Mack-Alabama

Transfers Out

Creed Whittemore-WR-committed to Utah
JJ Harrell-WR-committed to Arkansas St
Trent Hudson-WR-committed to Liberty-now committed to Vandy
Chris Parson-QB-committed to Austin Peay
Tabias Hinton-LB-committed to Alcorn St
Jeffery Pittman-RB-committed to USM
Ty Cooper-LB-committed to Tulane
John Lewis-LB-committed to UNLV
Brice Pollock-DB-committed to Texas Tech
Gabe Moore-DL-committed to Nebraska
Leon Bell-OL-committed to Cal
Kobi Albert-S-committed to UCONN
Makylan Pounders-OL-committed to Louisville
Khamauri Rogers-DB-committed to Jackson St
Antonio Harmon-WR-committed to Marshall
Javae Gilmore-LB-committed to Marshall
Amari Smith-OL
Raydarrious Jones-DB
Marcus Ross-LB-committed to UL Monroe
Chris Keys-DB
Mario Craver-WR-committed to Texas A&M
Keyvonne Lee-RB-committed to UNLV
Eric Taylor-DL-committed to SMU
Michael Van Buren-QB-committed to LSU
Kevin Coleman-WR-committed to Missouri
Jacorey Whitted
Donterry Russell
[B]Carson Lee-Eastern Michigan-committed to Mississippi State 12/22-reentered portal 4/25

bulldawg28
11-12-2024, 04:59 PM
What about the WR from Texas?

StarkVegasSteve
11-12-2024, 05:05 PM
What about the WR from Texas?

Completely forgot about that. Just added. I think he'll end up at Oregon though

msstate7
11-12-2024, 05:44 PM
Just hope we go after guys with at least 2 years eligibility. We need to be building for 2026.

StarkVegasSteve
11-12-2024, 05:46 PM
Just hope we go after guys with at least 2 years eligibility. We need to be building for 2026.

Most of the guys are multi year guys I believe. Then again, with all the extra eligibility craziness these days, I don't know how many years anyone has anymore

ScoobaDawg
11-12-2024, 05:58 PM
I'll sticky this soon.

parabrave
11-12-2024, 06:13 PM
We got enough G5 talent already so why not concentrate on guys who play in the PS/

Todd4State
11-12-2024, 06:38 PM
Can we just sign all of the defensive players?

BigDawg81
11-12-2024, 07:29 PM
I know it's a few weeks early but I figured I would go ahead and get this started and get some names going. I will bold the names that are officially in the portal and the rest will be guys I think will probably get into the portal/I hope they go in the portal. I will update it as we go along and add any names that you hear as well.


Quarterback

John Mateer-Wazzu
Preston Stone-SMU
Jackson Arnold-OU
Miller Moss-USC
Gio Lopez-South Al

RB

I think we're probably set here

WR

Harold Fanin Jr-BGSU
Eric Rivers-FIU
Donovan McCulley-Indiana
Jaedon Wilson-Arkansas
Chrishon McRay-Kent St
Justin Bowick-Ball St
Johntay Cook-Texas

OL

Nicholas Hilliard-Princeton
Carter Miller-ULM
Jordan White-Liberty
Caleb Tiernan-Northwestern


DL

Jaheim Oatis-Bama
Red Hibbler-NC State
Keon Keely-Bama
Jordan Hall-UGA
Da'Shawn Womack-LSU
Vic Burley-Clemson
Gabriel Brownlow-Dindy-A&M
Enai White-A&M


LB

Travion Barnes-FIU
Red Murdock-Buffalo
Chandler Martin-Memphis
Joseph Carter-Liberty

DB

Tyree Skipper-ULL
Jahron Manning-ODU
Jahari Rodgers-SMU
Jaden Mickey-Notre Dame
Key Lawrence-Ole Miss
Raion Strader-Miami (OH)
Geimere Latimer-Jacksonville St
Jackson Arnold is in the portal? Or is projected to be in the portal?

StarkVegasSteve
11-12-2024, 07:35 PM
Jackson Arnold is in the portal? Or is projected to be in the portal?

I would be shocked if he is not. The family is not happy with Venables.

StarkVegasSteve
11-12-2024, 08:47 PM
We got enough G5 talent already so why not concentrate on guys who play in the PS/

Well you have to get them to agree to come first off. Secondly, I was just adding guys who are really showing out at the G5 level. It will be hard to get a gauge on the P5 guys who play who enter until the season ends.

As I said, I will add guys as they enter and add more as people give me the names.

Cooterpoot
11-12-2024, 10:02 PM
We're absolutely looking for a RB

PMDawg
11-13-2024, 09:37 AM
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StarkVegasSteve
11-13-2024, 09:58 AM
OL

Nicholas Hilliard-Princeton
Carter Miller-ULM
Jordan White-Liberty
Caleb Tiernan-Northwestern
Jason Brooks-Oklahoma St

LB

Travion Barnes-FIU
Red Murdock-Buffalo
Chandler Martin-Memphis
Joseph Carter-Liberty
Bryun Parham-Washington


Insert vomit emoji...

Those are just the lower level guys and G5 guys that are either in the portal or I expect them to be. I don't know yet of P5 guys that will go in the portal. P5 guys are hard to project because if they play it's usually a shock if they enter the portal, unless they are heavily rumored.

Also just to point this out:

Tre Harris- La Tech
Caden Prieskorn-Memphis
Cam Ward- Incarnate Ward and Wazzu
Zeon Chriss- ULL
Taylen Green-Boise St
Diego Pavia-NM State
Davon Booth-Utah St
Matthew Golden-Houston
Eli Stowers-NM State


You can find good players anywhere that can play at this level.....you just have to make damn sure they CAN play at this level. I mean hell, Bingley-Jones and Kpapka are both P5 guys who transferred and they couldn't start most places at the P5 level other than here.

RockyDog
11-13-2024, 10:51 AM
Those are just the lower level guys and G5 guys that are either in the portal or I expect them to be. I don't know yet of P5 guys that will go in the portal. P5 guys are hard to project because if they play it's usually a shock if they enter the portal, unless they are heavily rumored.

Also just to point this out:

Tre Harris- La Tech
Caden Prieskorn-Memphis
Cam Ward- Incarnate Ward and Wazzu
Zeon Chriss- ULL
Taylen Green-Boise St
Diego Pavia-NM State
Davon Booth-Utah St
Matthew Golden-Houston
Eli Stowers-NM State


You can find good players anywhere that can play at this level.....you just have to make damn sure they CAN play at this level. I mean hell, Bingley-Jones and Kpapka are both P5 guys who transferred and they couldn't start most places at the P5 level other than here.

Yep. I understand we were in a bind with the coaching change, but it goes to show you that the portal meltdowns are ridiculous.

They said on the broadcast the other night that in GAME 10 of the season, Rashad Amos got his EIGHTH carry of the season, and Ole Miss has had the injury bug in the backfield. People on our boards were MELTING that he didn't sign with us.

StarkVegasSteve
11-13-2024, 11:26 AM
Yep. I understand we were in a bind with the coaching change, but it goes to show you that the portal meltdowns are ridiculous.

They said on the broadcast the other night that in GAME 10 of the season, Rashad Amos got his EIGHTH carry of the season, and Ole Miss has had the injury bug in the backfield. People on our boards were MELTING that he didn't sign with us.

I still cannot figure out him leaving to go to Ole Miss. Like I kind of got going to Colorado because they were still missing a feature back, but to decommit from there to go to OM was crazy. I mean AT THE TIME Ole Miss had two backs in front of him in Parrish and Bentley. Jones then emerged and pushed him further down the depth chart. I think we definitely got the better back in Booth though.

PMDawg
11-13-2024, 02:09 PM
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StarkVegasSteve
11-13-2024, 02:41 PM
Yes, agree. I think it's just harder to evaluate guys that only play poor competition. I also agree that we've missed a lot on transfers from every level.

Well it's also really hard to evaluate P5 players who really don't play. That's why it's so imperative to get up to the level of OM and have an entire dept scouting players so when they enter the portal, we already have scouted.

StarkVegasSteve
11-13-2024, 04:42 PM
We're absolutely looking for a RB

Went in and added some RBs to the board

Cooterpoot
11-13-2024, 05:12 PM
I'll just say this once: Big time players don't want to play for piss ant programs & first time coaches who win 2 17ing games. So get ready for Juco, Juco, Juco, and more G5 scabs. We already offering our 4th options in HS recruiting. Howdy Doodie needs to tell BBQ boy to make Lebby make changes in that staff or we can find another AD who isnt a dumb ass giving out big contracts to nobodies. Either we bring in real coaches on this staff or we hire a new staff and AD next year.
But Howdy's old lady has his nuts in a box on the mantle, so I expect a new bunch of people in another 2 years at this point.

AROB44
11-13-2024, 06:16 PM
I'll just say this once: Big time players don't want to play for piss ant programs & first time coaches who win 2 17ing games. So get ready for Juco, Juco, Juco, and more G5 scabs. We already offering our 4th options in HS recruiting. Howdy Doodie needs to tell BBQ boy to make Lebby make changes in that staff or we can find another AD who isnt a dumb ass giving out big contracts to nobodies. Either we bring in real coaches on this staff or we hire a new staff and AD next year.
But Howdy's old lady has his nuts in a box on the mantle, so I expect a new bunch of people in another 2 years at this point.

And we will continue to be losers. Nothing changes. At least I got to enjoy the Dan M years. We will never be that good again.

StarkVegasSteve
11-14-2024, 02:20 PM
From what some are reporting, I would not expect Jaheim Oatis to be a Bulldog next year.

BigDawg81
11-14-2024, 06:52 PM
From what some are reporting, I would not expect Jaheim Oatis to be a Bulldog next year.
Shocker!!!

StarkVegasSteve
11-19-2024, 03:21 PM
From what some are reporting, I would not expect Jaheim Oatis to be a Bulldog next year.

We may not be as far off from Oatis as some, including myself, were led to believe.

SPMT
11-19-2024, 03:28 PM
I know it's a few weeks early but I figured I would go ahead and get this started and get some names going. I will bold the names that are officially in the portal and the rest will be guys I think will probably get into the portal/I hope they go in the portal. I will update it as we go along and add any names that you hear as well.


Quarterback

John Mateer-Wazzu
Preston Stone-SMU
Jackson Arnold-OU
Miller Moss-USC
Gio Lopez-South Al

RB

Leshon Williams-Iowa
Michael Allen-UNLV
Rocko Griffin-UTSA
Makhi Hughes-Tulane
George Pettaway-James Madison
Jovantae Barnes-OU
Tavorus Jones-Mizzou

WR

Harold Fanin Jr-BGSU
Eric Rivers-FIU
Donovan McCulley-Indiana
Jaedon Wilson-Arkansas
Chrishon McRay-Kent St
Justin Bowick-Ball St
Johntay Cook-Texas
Xavier Townsend-UCF

OL

Nicholas Hilliard-Princeton
Carter Miller-ULM
Jordan White-Liberty
Caleb Tiernan-Northwestern
Jason Brooks-Oklahoma St
Marcus Williams-TCU


DL

Jaheim Oatis-Bama
Red Hibbler-NC State
Keon Keely-Bama
Jordan Hall-UGA
Da'Shawn Womack-LSU
Vic Burley-Clemson
Gabriel Brownlow-Dindy-A&M
Enai White-A&M
Aiden Gobaira- Notre Dame


LB

Travion Barnes-FIU
Red Murdock-Buffalo
Chandler Martin-Memphis
Joseph Carter-Liberty
Bryun Parham-Washington
Keanu Koht- Alabama


DB

Tyree Skipper-ULL
Jahron Manning-ODU
Jahari Rodgers-SMU-committed to Nevada
Jaden Mickey-Notre Dame
Key Lawrence-Ole Miss
Raion Strader-Miami (OH)
Geimere Latimer-Jacksonville St
Syncere Safeeullah-Nebraska
Craig McDonald-Minnesota
Tahj Ra-El- Memphis


Get all of the DL. All of them. Worst group in both sides.

Then get all of the OL. Second worst group.

gtowndawg
11-20-2024, 09:48 AM
I'll just say this once: Big time players don't want to play for piss ant programs & first time coaches who win 2 17ing games. So get ready for Juco, Juco, Juco, and more G5 scabs. We already offering our 4th options in HS recruiting. Howdy Doodie needs to tell BBQ boy to make Lebby make changes in that staff or we can find another AD who isnt a dumb ass giving out big contracts to nobodies. Either we bring in real coaches on this staff or we hire a new staff and AD next year.
But Howdy's old lady has his nuts in a box on the mantle, so I expect a new bunch of people in another 2 years at this point.

Hate to say this but Steve's report yesterday mentioned multiple Juco guys. I'm afraid what that means.

StarkVegasSteve
11-20-2024, 10:01 AM
Hate to say this but Steve's report yesterday mentioned multiple Juco guys. I'm afraid what that means.

We're probably done with HS guys in recruiting, at least any new HS guys. There's still 5-6 guys out there that we're after and would take their commitment. We are going to recruit JUCO and portal the rest of the way. Nothing wrong with that in doses. Unfortunately with the situation we are in, we have to go that route for the next year. Right now, we need guys that can play and contribute next year. And I'll be honest, some of these JUCO guys (Hardy, Mitchell, Coleman, Odera) would play and probably start for us this year. Those guys are good. I mean South Carolina placed Hardy in JUCO and Mitchell was at Bama last year. Coleman was just a slipped through the cracks guy.

I am not in any way saying that is a sustainable formula. It wasn't in the old days and it is certainly not in this new age. However, there's still talent to be found at the JUCO level. Now, will you be finding the next Montez Sweat? Probably not. But you can still find some solid depth guys and even a starter, if it's a guy like Hardy.

On the portal, that picture will become REALLY CLEAR in the next 10 days. I would not be surprised if we had some portal visitors this weekend unofficially visit.

Cooterpoot
11-20-2024, 12:05 PM
Hate to say this but Steve's report yesterday mentioned multiple Juco guys. I'm afraid what that means.

The jucos are needed badly. There's only one I question and he's not that big a deal. We'll sign some portal guys.

StarkVegasSteve
11-20-2024, 12:20 PM
The jucos are needed badly. There's only one I question and he's not that big a deal. We'll sign some portal guys.

Who's the one you question. Because I question one too, but I don't think it's the same guy. Mine is Clinton, but you seem pretty high on him.

Todd4State
11-20-2024, 09:00 PM
Going full JUCO is so MSU football.

msstate7
11-20-2024, 09:17 PM
Going full JUCO is so MSU football.

I don't follow recruiting anymore, but I figured the transfer rules would've killed juco talent. Guys can just go to a lesser D1 program now without sitting out.

KB21
11-20-2024, 09:23 PM
There is still talent in JUCO. The transfer rules changing doesn't mean that there still aren't late bloomers. There are still players who cannot get into school academically. There are still players who are bounce backs from other programs. Of our recruits in JUCO that have committed, Zavion Hardy was placed by South Carolina. Tony Mitchell played as a true freshman at Bama and was at EMCC because of some questionable decision making while driving. Mason Clinton is a bounce back from Louisiana. Lakendrick James is a guy who wasn't highly recruited out of high school but has been a star at Co-Lin.

BigDawg81
11-20-2024, 09:26 PM
I don't follow recruiting anymore, but I figured the transfer rules would've killed juco talent. Guys can just go to a lesser D1 program now without sitting out. I understand what they are trying to do with all these JUCO offers and JUCO commitments but I do not think this is substantial. I am hoping that this a one year deal. I do think that the portal and JUCO goes hand in hand.

StarkVegasSteve
11-20-2024, 09:36 PM
I understand what they are trying to do with all these JUCO offers and JUCO commitments but I do not think this is substantial. I am hoping that this a one year deal. I do think that the portal and JUCO goes hand in hand.

It's a one year deal. We know we need immediate help and depth and AT WORST the JUCO guys provide depth and guys that can immediately play snaps.

Coach34
11-20-2024, 09:51 PM
Face it- there are still very talented athletes that are academically challenged (this was called dumb in the old days). Juco is still a comforting home for these guys

I've taught kids that cant pass lunch

KOdawg1
11-20-2024, 10:20 PM
There's still good players in Juco. You dont want to rely too heavily on it, but we don't have much of a choice at the moment

Cooterpoot
11-20-2024, 10:34 PM
Going full JUCO is so MSU football.

Except that's not what we're doing. Many are just depth pieces and lord blinked we got no damn depth at all. If we don't get portal guys, to get more reps, then I'll be surprised but FR do us little good next season. They need to redshirt mostly.

parabrave
11-21-2024, 08:28 AM
Face it- there are still very talented athletes that are academically challenged (this was called dumb in the old days). Juco is still a comforting home for these guys

I've taught kids that cant pass lunch

Well since they have thrown out all of the recruiting laws why not bring back Prop B players?

bulldawg28
11-21-2024, 09:12 AM
Truthfully, unless you're a high 4 or 5 star talent juco is a better option. Just hopping in the portal with no film for coaches is no bueno. Coaches can't be successful guessing on development.

One of the best ways to show development and get film is through juco. Sitting on the bench attempting to transfer is no longer cutting it.

RockyDog
11-21-2024, 10:09 AM
Going full JUCO is so MSU football.

What options do we have at this point? Should we go back to the Crooms model of stealing Alabama A&M and Alabama State’s prized recruits on signing day?

Todd4State
11-21-2024, 02:44 PM
Except that's not what we're doing. Many are just depth pieces and lord blinked we got no damn depth at all. If we don't get portal guys, to get more reps, then I'll be surprised but FR do us little good next season. They need to redshirt mostly.

Depth for what? I could buy this if we had legit guys starting already but what we start sucks. So what does that make these "depth" pieces? STARTERS!

I fully expect to hear about how we went all in for whoever but their NIL price was ridiculous so we walked away and the other typical excuses for MSU's football recruiting failures.

Todd4State
11-21-2024, 02:46 PM
What options do we have at this point? Should we go back to the Crooms model of stealing Alabama A&M and Alabama State’s prized recruits on signing day?

Oh I don't know. Maybe we should try firing the coaches that suck at recruiting and hire coaches that are good at it?

Of course MSU's solution is to try to duct tape everything and try to outscheme everyone with a football genius head coach and a bunch of diamonds in the rough from Jones Junior College.

Todd4State
11-21-2024, 02:49 PM
Truthfully, unless you're a high 4 or 5 star talent juco is a better option. Just hopping in the portal with no film for coaches is no bueno. Coaches can't be successful guessing on development.

One of the best ways to show development and get film is through juco. Sitting on the bench attempting to transfer is no longer cutting it.

Or you could go to USM and Memphis and if you start there and if you show that you are legit then you can transfer to MSU.

That way you get to put yourself on film against much better competition and probably in at least a game or two play against a SEC team to show what you can do.

If you can't start at USM or Memphis then MSU isn't going to take you anyway.

RockyDog
11-21-2024, 03:09 PM
Oh I don't know. Maybe we should try firing the coaches that suck at recruiting and hire coaches that are good at it?

Of course MSU's solution is to try to duct tape everything and try to outscheme everyone with a football genius head coach and a bunch of diamonds in the rough from Jones Junior College.

Or how about we stop allowing our STUPID fans to be so damn vocal. The MSU fan IQ is so damn low we really should think about handing out helmets to our fans in the stands

StarkVegasSteve
11-21-2024, 03:16 PM
Or how about we stop allowing our STUPID fans to be so damn vocal. The MSU fan IQ is so damn low we really should think about handing out helmets to our fans in the stands

I don't mind vocal fans, that shows a passionate fan base. It's the fact that we have vocal fans all pulling in 15 different directions. There's no clear message.

Cooterpoot
11-21-2024, 03:35 PM
Depth for what? I could buy this if we had legit guys starting already but what we start sucks. So what does that make these "depth" pieces? STARTERS!

I fully expect to hear about how we went all in for whoever but their NIL price was ridiculous so we walked away and the other typical excuses for MSU's football recruiting failures.

We have no depth. Not one bit anywhere really but especially on the lines. You're acting like the portal is open and we missed on all our targets already. It's not open and we'll take about 20 transfers. This is called a rebuild and it's the only way really unless you have $50MM to sign top talent and hell, a lot still wouldn't consider us because, that's right, it's a REBUILD.

Cooterpoot
11-21-2024, 03:37 PM
Or you could go to USM and Memphis and if you start there and if you show that you are legit then you can transfer to MSU.

That way you get to put yourself on film against much better competition and probably in at least a game or two play against a SEC team to show what you can do.

If you can't start at USM or Memphis then MSU isn't going to take you anyway.

So you want to take a Juco for one season instead of two? That doesn't allow your younger guys time to develop if we're flipping everybody every year. Plus, it gets crazy expensive.

Todd4State
11-21-2024, 04:57 PM
Or how about we stop allowing our STUPID fans to be so damn vocal. The MSU fan IQ is so damn low we really should think about handing out helmets to our fans in the stands

The guy that has been repeatedly accused of being a troll on Elitedawgs by multiple posters because of HIS stupid posts has ZERO room to make this comment.


I don't mind vocal fans, that shows a passionate fan base. It's the fact that we have vocal fans all pulling in 15 different directions. There's no clear message.

Are we really pulling in 15 different directions? I see a majority of fans that want Hutzler fired. I see a majority of fans that think an IPF is a great idea. It certainly has a lot more support than building the new Dudy Noble had. I see a majority of fans that want gameday improvements with the LED lights and etc. And I see polls where the majority want the interlocking MSU to come back.

The biggest thing I see a disagreement on is whose "fault" it is that MSU is where it is. And at this point what does that really matter anyway because those people are gone?

What I see and is the REAL issue is a MSU athletic administration that is addressing NONE of the issues. The fans are telling them what we want. We are being met with a lecture about how we have to wait on revenue sharing. For now. Until that passes and then they'll come up with another excuse for not doing what the fans want while blaming the fans for not showing up to their shit show product on and off the field.


We have no depth. Not one bit anywhere really but especially on the lines. You're acting like the portal is open and we missed on all our targets already. It's not open and we'll take about 20 transfers. This is called a rebuild and it's the only way really unless you have $50MM to sign top talent and hell, a lot still wouldn't consider us because, that's right, it's a REBUILD.

Of course we have no depth. We have NO STARTERS. These JUCO guys are not going fix anything either in that regard. So next year instead of our guy from Purdue getting dominated it's going to be a guy from Northwest Mississippi Community College. But since it's a local guy getting his ass kicked that makes it better.** And I like how we went from needing 12-15 million to 50 million all of a sudden.


So you want to take a Juco for one season instead of two? That doesn't allow your younger guys time to develop if we're flipping everybody every year. Plus, it gets crazy expensive.

I would rather take a G5 player that can play for one than a JUCO for two. To your point about younger guys- you think that clogging up our roster spots with JUCO's is going help with that? Doing what we're doing isn't going to help the younger guys because we are sucking at recruiting the younger guys anyway. So then it's even more JUCO's to replace the JUCO's! Yay! This staff especially on defense can NOT recruit period. And it's bleeding over to the offensive recruiting. But apparently Lebby is too stupid to see it so I'm expecting his ass to be gone in three years because as you know the boosters will step in at some point. Hopefully they will force him to fire Hutzler after the Egg Bowl and he can save his job but we'll try again with a more experienced coach next time I guarantee you that.

Cooterpoot
11-21-2024, 05:04 PM
There's no talking to your dumb ass. What part of "the portal isn't open" don't you understand? And "we're signing about 20 in the portal"? We're signing portal AND Juco guys. We can't pay a gazillion dollars and sign all portal guys. Do you not understand that? FR won't help you unless they're elite. Juco was terrible last year but its deep this year. We all talked about the bad Juco talent Turner took last year and those last minute guys. This ain't that! We've got two bounce back guys too this year. These guys have offers where nobody had offers last year. The staff was just put together last year and had to take what they could.

Ranchdawg
11-21-2024, 05:23 PM
I don't mind vocal fans, that shows a passionate fan base. It's the fact that we have vocal fans all pulling in 15 different directions. There's no clear message.

Pulling in 15 different directions is whose fault? We the fans that pay good money for a sub par team. We the fans that would really like to know who actually is getting paid what. The fans that are in dire need of our AD and our head football coach to say something about this fiasco. Say something to the effect that this crap show will be straightened out and we actually have a future that is not as bad as this year. But no all I have heard is give more and crickets about the future of OUR program.

Todd4State
11-21-2024, 06:12 PM
There's no talking to your dumb ass. What part of "the portal isn't open" don't you understand? And "we're signing about 20 in the portal"? We're signing portal AND Juco guys. We can't pay a gazillion dollars and sign all portal guys. Do you not understand that? FR won't help you unless they're elite. Juco was terrible last year but its deep this year. We all talked about the bad Juco talent Turner took last year and those last minute guys. This ain't that! We've got two bounce back guys too this year. These guys have offers where nobody had offers last year. The staff was just put together last year and had to take what they could.

What's "dumb ass" is supporting something that is clearly NOT going to work. What part of that do YOU not understand dumbass? I guess you'll blame baseball for us taking a bunch of JUCO's that don't work out and waste roster space right? That's pretty much your go to when the football program does something that won't work again. I'm not real sold on what this group can get out of the portal by the way. Doesn't matter whether it's open or not. Problem isn't money. It's that this staff can't evaluate, develop, OR recruit. Did David Turner recruit those guys in the secondary from Memphis that have contributed nothing too?

BankerDog
11-21-2024, 06:48 PM
Or you could go to USM and Memphis and if you start there and if you show that you are legit then you can transfer to MSU.

That way you get to put yourself on film against much better competition and probably in at least a game or two play against a SEC team to show what you can do.

If you can't start at USM or Memphis then MSU isn't going to take you anyway.

Alright bud- Mak Pounders started at LT for Memphis and was sold as solid get. Truth is, he is a SEC guard. So your story about studs in CUSA translating to SEC is false.

In your apostle later on, Turner didn?t recruit the Memphis DBs but De?Ago has played this year and played really well. Hopefully we can get him back next year to provide depth.

You can complain about Turner because he deserves it. But how in the hell can you sit there and type an apostle saying this this staff can?t evaluate and develop talent? Guess MVB, Booth, Coleman, Kelly A, Ricky Johnson, McGee aren?t talented? Burnside? Guy hasn?t even been the head coach for a year and you wanna say he can?t develop talent? What in the hell

As Cooter says, portal isn?t open yet. We are bringing in 20 dudes and have been actively identifying guys throughout the year. Our coaches damn sure have no duty to tell the fans, Paul Jones, Steve Robertson, pizza boy, and wanna be Hardy who they are going after.

Todd4State
11-21-2024, 07:11 PM
Alright bud- Mak Pounders started at LT for Memphis and was sold as solid get. Truth is, he is a SEC guard. So your story about studs in CUSA translating to SEC is false.

In your apostle later on, Turner didn?t recruit the Memphis DBs but De?Ago has played this year and played really well. Hopefully we can get him back next year to provide depth.

You can complain about Turner because he deserves it. But how in the hell can you sit there and type an apostle saying this this staff can?t evaluate and develop talent? Guess MVB, Booth, Coleman, Kelly A, Ricky Johnson, McGee aren?t talented? Burnside? Guy hasn?t even been the head coach for a year and you wanna say he can?t develop talent? What in the hell

As Cooter says, portal isn?t open yet. We are bringing in 20 dudes and have been actively identifying guys throughout the year. Our coaches damn sure have no duty to tell the fans, Paul Jones, Steve Robertson, pizza boy, and wanna be Hardy who they are going after.


That post of mine that you just quoted was in response to an opinion that going JUCO was better than going to FBS school. If you agree with that you are just as wrong as everyone else.

I also never said that getting players from USM and Memphis was foolproof. I could point to many more players that played at FBS school that have been more successful than JUCO's in this era. And I am saying that is the route we should go towards and stop going JUCO heavy like it's still 1999.

How can I say that this staff can't recruit and develop? Is it the fact that the defense has gotten markedly worse? That they have whiffed in the portal with the players that they have gotten outside of the wide receivers? The fact that they can't recruit a guy from Ackerman who has family ties to MSU and lost him to Ole Miss? My question to you is how can you say that they CAN recruit and develop? You mention a bunch of freshmen who mostly haven't even contributed. And Van Buren is very possibly not even going to start for us next year and will have to compete for his job. Maybe in the meantime our esteemed head coach can get him to look at where the 17ing 40 second clock is before he gets us his typical two delay of game penalties.

Todd4State
11-21-2024, 07:13 PM
Oh and by the way for the millionth time I am aware the portal isn't open. If you think that this clown show of a staff is going to magically win in the portal go ahead.

Dawgology
11-21-2024, 07:25 PM
Meh

bigbub50
11-21-2024, 07:56 PM
This thread is going to be lit

SPMT
11-21-2024, 08:21 PM
Sum of this thread = we will never be good again.

RezDog7
11-21-2024, 08:35 PM
Sum of this thread = we will never be good again.
I see no way out of this shit show.

CaptainObvious
11-21-2024, 08:52 PM
We stick with this guy and his country club era another year, and if they don't get State to 6-6 next season, you take the whole bunch in the football office including AD to the Train Station. And you hire a successful sitting HC who brings his entire staff with him and you give him $15 million for him and his whole staff to divide up. If he is serious about making State a winner he will take $7.5 million and use the other $7.5 million on staff and advisors.

SPMT
11-21-2024, 09:00 PM
We stick with this guy and his country club era another year, and if they don't get State to 6-6 next season, you take the whole bunch in the football office including AD to the Train Station. And you hire a successful sitting HC who brings his entire staff with him and you give him $15 million for him and his whole staff to divide up. If he is serious about making State a winner he will take $7.5 million and use the other $7.5 million on staff and advisors.

Is Selmon that bad?

Has he ruined the Ath Dept?

Best we ever had was Byrne through some of Strick. Byrne gets all credit, though. Handed Strick Howland I hear.

Brobi-wan
11-21-2024, 09:08 PM
We stick with this guy and his country club era another year, and if they don't get State to 6-6 next season, you take the whole bunch in the football office including AD to the Train Station. And you hire a successful sitting HC who brings his entire staff with him and you give him $15 million for him and his whole staff to divide up. If he is serious about making State a winner he will take $7.5 million and use the other $7.5 million on staff and advisors.

I could get behind this, but I think we have to give Lebby three years. Next year’s schedule is worse than this one because of who we get at home and away. I also think Lebby will work out in the long run. I think that outside of the Toledo game and MAYBE ASU, this season is likely the same for whoever would have been HC.

KB21
11-21-2024, 09:09 PM
This idea that Jeff Lebby has created a country club atmosphere is completely made up and has no basis in fact.

Todd4State
11-21-2024, 09:14 PM
Is Selmon that bad?

Has he ruined the Ath Dept?

Best we ever had was Byrne through some of Strick. Byrne gets all credit, though. Handed Strick Howland I hear.

I'm not a big fan of firing an AD because he made a bad hire in football. There's just more to it than that with any AD. Byrne absolutely was the best we had. And it was because he had the balls to make moves and make the right ones.

No I don't think Selmon has ruined the athletic department. But he has been disappointing in football so far.

Todd4State
11-21-2024, 09:15 PM
Oh and BankerDog- because you keep calling me out for saying Shane Beamer would be a good coach.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/shane-beamers-resume-against-great-teams-is-impressive-there-s-just-one-problem/ar-AA1ukwLw?ocid=BingNewsSerp

KB21
11-21-2024, 09:23 PM
Selmon did not make a bad hire.

BigDawg81
11-21-2024, 09:28 PM
In other news, Jayven Williams from Kennesaw State is visiting this weekend

BankerDog
11-21-2024, 09:45 PM
Oh and BankerDog- because you keep calling me out for saying Shane Beamer would be a good coach.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/shane-beamers-resume-against-great-teams-is-impressive-there-s-just-one-problem/ar-AA1ukwLw?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Congrats Todd. You finally hit on something after a thousand misses. But I?m sure you?d be wanting him gone and questioning his development after year 1 like you are with Lebby now if he were here. And then people could claim Selmon really hired his buddy!

And by the way-let?s not forget how you thought John Hevesy was a bad coach. It?s too bad your uncle isn?t as connected to the athletic department as he use to be so you?ve lost your connection to all the semi decent takes you use to have 10 years ago.

BankerDog
11-21-2024, 09:46 PM
We stick with this guy and his country club era another year, and if they don't get State to 6-6 next season, you take the whole bunch in the football office including AD to the Train Station. And you hire a successful sitting HC who brings his entire staff with him and you give him $15 million for him and his whole staff to divide up. If he is serious about making State a winner he will take $7.5 million and use the other $7.5 million on staff and advisors.

Pay up then big boy

BankerDog
11-21-2024, 09:50 PM
That post of mine that you just quoted was in response to an opinion that going JUCO was better than going to FBS school. If you agree with that you are just as wrong as everyone else.

I also never said that getting players from USM and Memphis was foolproof. I could point to many more players that played at FBS school that have been more successful than JUCO's in this era. And I am saying that is the route we should go towards and stop going JUCO heavy like it's still 1999.

How can I say that this staff can't recruit and develop? Is it the fact that the defense has gotten markedly worse? That they have whiffed in the portal with the players that they have gotten outside of the wide receivers? The fact that they can't recruit a guy from Ackerman who has family ties to MSU and lost him to Ole Miss? My question to you is how can you say that they CAN recruit and develop? You mention a bunch of freshmen who mostly haven't even contributed. And Van Buren is very possibly not even going to start for us next year and will have to compete for his job. Maybe in the meantime our esteemed head coach can get him to look at where the 17ing 40 second clock is before he gets us his typical two delay of game penalties.

You wanna bring up Caleb Cunningham in this conversation? How about ?hey they just now have their NIL guys pulling together, we have an established coach come play with us? ?oh hey we have several WRs in the NFL they have none.?

Coleman and Booth haven?t contributed? You?re a bigger DA than I thought.

Defense? I sat at game in Arkansas and saw Tylan Green juke out 3 guys recruited by previous staffs.

You think the guy was going to upgrade 105 in 45 days? Gah you don?t know how this works.

Vegas, Coot please come back into this thread and let?s have honest conversations.

Todd4State
11-21-2024, 10:01 PM
Congrats Todd. You finally hit on something after a thousand misses. But I?m sure you?d be wanting him gone and questioning his development after year 1 like you are with Lebby now if he were here. And then people could claim Selmon really hired his buddy!

And by the way-let?s not forget how you thought John Hevesy was a bad coach. It?s too bad your uncle isn?t as connected to the athletic department as he use to be so you?ve lost your connection to all the semi decent takes you use to have 10 years ago.

Ah the great John Hevesy- the best offensive line coach in Lowe's history. Yeah- he's so awesome that NO ONE has hired him in years. I'll get you his autograph the next time I need some hardware.

That doesn't exactly sound like a "miss" by me.

SPMT
11-21-2024, 10:08 PM
I'm not a big fan of firing an AD because he made a bad hire in football. There's just more to it than that with any AD. Byrne absolutely was the best we had. And it was because he had the balls to make moves and make the right ones.

No I don't think Selmon has ruined the athletic department. But he has been disappointing in football so far.

Not in favor of firing either at the moment. Think we will be fine.

Todd4State
11-21-2024, 10:09 PM
You wanna bring up Caleb Cunningham in this conversation? How about ?hey they just now have their NIL guys pulling together, we have an established coach come play with us? ?oh hey we have several WRs in the NFL they have none.?

Coleman and Booth haven?t contributed? You?re a bigger DA than I thought.

Defense? I sat at game in Arkansas and saw Tylan Green juke out 3 guys recruited by previous staffs.

You think the guy was going to upgrade 105 in 45 days? Gah you don?t know how this works.

Vegas, Coot please come back into this thread and let?s have honest conversations.

1. A bunch of lame excuses for not getting a recruit in our backyard. It's called this staff shit the bed.

2. If you could actually read I said this staff has gotten nothing out of the portal outside of the WR's- and what position does Coleman play? Booth is average and nothing special. How many times have we given it to him on short yardage and he has failed literally every single time? THAT'S giving you hope with this staff?

3. Defense? Yes you did see them juke out three guys recruited by previous staffs. And they're coached by THIS staff which failed to upgrade from them. Thanks for making my point.

4. Don't tell me I don't know how this works when you don't even know that the roster doesn't increase to 105 until next year. The bottom line is this staff had a chance to improve the team in the offseason just like everyone else did and failed to do so.

Todd4State
11-21-2024, 10:15 PM
Oh and with Hevesy it's not just MSU fans that know he sucks. It's Florida fans too.

I love how Banker will give him credit for Ben Beckwith when Ben had to actually walk-on because someone that was coaching our offensive line didn't think he was good enough for a scholarship.

Or how we had to have a DT and a TE play offensive tackle because someone just had to tell "recruits how it is" and screwed over the whole program in 2011 and 2015.

My problem with Hevesy isn't really his coaching or his recruiting as much as it was he was given a pass for being really awful at a key part of his job and he was a POS human being while doing it.

Todd4State
11-21-2024, 10:17 PM
Not in favor of firing either at the moment. Think we will be fine.

Big picture with the AD:

Football is bad.

Basketball (men's and women's), baseball, and soccer are really good.

Yes there needs to be improvement with football but it would be hard to justify firing Selmon with everything else doing well.

bigbub50
11-21-2024, 10:48 PM
You’re pretty fired up, Todd. I like your energy

SPMT
11-21-2024, 11:24 PM
Big picture with the AD:

Football is bad.

Basketball (men's and women's), baseball, and soccer are really good.

Yes there needs to be improvement with football but it would be hard to justify firing Selmon with everything else doing well.

Yeah.

On a different note, though I like Leach a lot, I do now believe him being here hurt program development in the short term. Due only to the way he chose players for his style of offense and lack of defensive care.

At first I thought people were overreacting, but it appears to be significant.

Add the absolute garbage staff we had last year and this and probably next year will not be good.

defiantdog
11-21-2024, 11:30 PM
Hopefully we don't get any transfers from Memphis this time.

Todd4State
11-21-2024, 11:56 PM
Yeah.

On a different note, though I like Leach a lot, I do now believe him being here hurt program development in the short term. Due only to the way he chose players for his style of offense and lack of defensive care.

At first I thought people were overreacting, but it appears to be significant.

Add the absolute garbage staff we had last year and this and probably next year will not be good.

I think what hurt more was MSU making extremely poor decisions after Leach passed away. As in hiring Arnett and going in a completely different direction with the offense. It was the same mistake MSU made with hiring Moorhead after Dan. We should have hired a power spread option guy to either be the head coach or OC after Dan left. And yet I don't see anyone complaining about the players that Dan left Joe on offense even though some of them were lacking especially at the WR spot. Leach passed away two years ago and with the portal we should have been able to rebuild by now. See Vanderbilt. If they can rebuild in one offseason there is zero reason why MSU can't do it too.

This is who should be our QB right now.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4432759/sawyer-robertson

Those are the kind of players we ran off. And by the way it was a Mike Leach recruit that just won the Kent Hull award a couple of days ago.

He did give Arnett autonomy to recruit the defensive side of the ball and I will say that was a mistake on his part.

Brobi-wan
11-22-2024, 12:01 AM
I think what hurt more was MSU making extremely poor decisions after Leach passed away. As in hiring Arnett and going in a completely different direction with the offense. It was the same mistake MSU made with hiring Moorhead after Dan. We should have hired a power spread option guy to either be the head coach or OC after Dan left. And yet I don't see anyone complaining about the players that Dan left Joe on offense even though some of them were lacking especially at the WR spot. Leach passed away two years ago and with the portal we should have been able to rebuild by now. See Vanderbilt. If they can rebuild in one offseason there is zero reason why MSU can't do it too.

This is who should be our QB right now.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4432759/sawyer-robertson

Those are the kind of players we ran off. And by the way it was a Mike Leach recruit that just won the Kent Hull award a couple of days ago.

He did give Arnett autonomy to recruit the defensive side of the ball and I will say that was a mistake on his part.


But Lea did not rebuild in one off-season. He had multiple losing seasons before his breakthrough. He instilled something and THEN got this year. He’s been the coach since 2021. Half this board would have fired Lea before this year.

Todd4State
11-22-2024, 12:06 AM
You’re pretty fired up, Todd. I like your energy

Just tired of seeing MSU make the same mistakes over and over again and expecting different results.

The same people talking up the JUCO's now will be complaining about how they were misevaluated and really weren't any good a year from now. And probably blame baseball and the LFL for it.

One thing our football program could learn from baseball. And that's attention to detail. Our baseball program is far, far, far superior to football in that regard. There is also a major emphasis on recruiting in baseball. Football looks for recruiting stop gaps. And then makes excuses for failures. I remember Cohen when he would miss out on a recruit he would keep a notebook and write down why that player didn't choose MSU. That allows for trends to show up if there are any. And more importantly makes it easier to correct them. Ever heard of a MSU football coach doing that? Maybe it does happen but I haven't heard about it. There is a reason why our baseball program finished dead last and next to last in back to back years and has still pulled in top 5 recruiting classes for this year and next year. When there is an issue baseball deals with it. Football brings back Coleman Hutzler. There's your difference.

It's not about fans pulling in the same direction. It's about getting shit done.

Todd4State
11-22-2024, 12:10 AM
But Lea did not rebuild in one off-season. He had multiple losing seasons before his breakthrough. He instilled something and THEN got this year. He’s been the coach since 2021. Half this board would have fired Lea before this year.

That is true. I will not debate that.

BUT in this era you can rebuild in one offseason. Schools like Arizona State have done that for example. They went 3-9 in Dillingham's first year and are currently 8-2.

KB21
11-22-2024, 07:44 AM
The transfer portal is the definition of stop gap recruiting. Trying to constantly build your team through the portal isn't sustainable. You have to be able to recruit the high school level players, get them into the program, and develop them. The problem with that is that you aren't going to be able to turn things around "quick enough" by going that route. However, it is more sustainable for success long-term.

Jeff Lebby didn't inherit the type of team Joe Moorhead, who was an established "up-and-coming" head coach (4 years at Fordham with a 38-13 record), inherited in 2018.

Todd4State
11-22-2024, 08:17 AM
The transfer portal is the definition of stop gap recruiting. Trying to constantly build your team through the portal isn't sustainable. You have to be able to recruit the high school level players, get them into the program, and develop them. The problem with that is that you aren't going to be able to turn things around "quick enough" by going that route. However, it is more sustainable for success long-term.

Jeff Lebby didn't inherit the type of team Joe Moorhead, who was an established "up-and-coming" head coach (4 years at Fordham with a 38-13 record), inherited in 2018.

You know what's more of a stop gap? Junior college recruiting.

StarkVegasSteve
11-22-2024, 09:33 AM
Since we're about 8 days before this thing gets really rolling I will caution all of you. There will be guys that will see that we are on and if you only look at the school, you will get yourself good and pissed off. Go look at their stats and then make a decision. Take Kpaka for example. We had people who tried to say that could be a good pickup because he was from Purdue. Those same people would've been pissed off had we taken TJ Jackson from Troy instead. Here's their numbers this year:

Sulaiman Kpaka: 23 total tackles, 4 solo, 0 sacks

TJ Jackson (West Virginia): 33 total tackles, 18 solo, 5.5 sacks, 1 FR.


Now, Kpaka would've been a fine pickup if you are picking him up strictly for depth because I do think he's improved this year. But the point I'm trying to make, and I've already seen it in this thread, is that just because someone comes from the G5 doesn't mean they can't play.

KB21
11-22-2024, 09:58 AM
Since we're about 8 days before this thing gets really rolling I will caution all of you. There will be guys that will see that we are on and if you only look at the school, you will get yourself good and pissed off. Go look at their stats and then make a decision. Take Kpaka for example. We had people who tried to say that could be a good pickup because he was from Purdue. Those same people would've been pissed off had we taken TJ Jackson from Troy instead. Here's their numbers this year:

Sulaiman Kpaka: 23 total tackles, 4 solo, 0 sacks

TJ Jackson (West Virginia): 33 total tackles, 18 solo, 5.5 sacks, 1 FR.


Now, Kpaka would've been a fine pickup if you are picking him up strictly for depth because I do think he's improved this year. But the point I'm trying to make, and I've already seen it in this thread, is that just because someone comes from the G5 doesn't mean they can't play.

I talked to Dave Bartoo about this a couple of weeks ago since he follows these trends. He basically agrees that the portal players who are more often than not going to fail are the ones who are transferring down from better brands/recruiters are cannot get playing time on those teams. Someone like a Ryland Goode, who we took last year when he couldn't get on the field after three years at Georgia. Or someone like Jordan Morant, who was highly recruited but couldn't get on the field at Michigan. Turns out, he can't get on the field here either.

StarkVegasSteve
11-22-2024, 10:23 AM
I talked to Dave Bartoo about this a couple of weeks ago since he follows these trends. He basically agrees that the portal players who are more often than not going to fail are the ones who are transferring down from better brands/recruiters are cannot get playing time on those teams. Someone like a Ryland Goode, who we took last year when he couldn't get on the field after three years at Georgia. Or someone like Jordan Morant, who was highly recruited but couldn't get on the field at Michigan. Turns out, he can't get on the field here either.

Correct. If it's guys who can't get on the field at those programs and are 3rd year and above guys, then no you don't take them. But if they're still first or second year guys in the program and you have good evals on them, I don't have a problem taking them. I mean look at Trey Amos at Ole Miss. He transferred to Bama from ULL. He was really good at ULL, but couldn't get on the field at Bama. He transfers to OM and will probably be a top 3 round pick.

Now if it's a guy like Gabriel Brownlow-Dindy, 5 star and 11th ranked overall player in the 22 class, we need to be careful. He has been in the program 3 years and has 4 total tackles.

Cooterpoot
11-22-2024, 10:36 AM
The transfer portal is the definition of stop gap recruiting. Trying to constantly build your team through the portal isn't sustainable. You have to be able to recruit the high school level players, get them into the program, and develop them. The problem with that is that you aren't going to be able to turn things around "quick enough" by going that route. However, it is more sustainable for success long-term.

Jeff Lebby didn't inherit the type of team Joe Moorhead, who was an established "up-and-coming" head coach (4 years at Fordham with a 38-13 record), inherited in 2018.

LOL working for Colorado, OM, Missouri, ASU, and just about any school doing it. It's about taking the right players, not just a body.

HancockCountyDog
11-22-2024, 10:52 AM
Selmon did not make a bad hire.

To be fair - we don't know that yet. I'm giving Lebby a free pass this year, except for the Toledo game. You will never convince me that we didn't have the talent to beat Toledo. WKU, Buffalo, Bowling Green and Ohio all beat Toledo. We lost to Toledo by 24 points at home.

I want to ignore that because I really like Lebby and because I want this to work, but that doesn't mean that loss isn't a turd in the punch bowl type loss. Shapen played the whole game.

Cooterpoot
11-22-2024, 10:55 AM
Lebby has to part ways with that defensive staff. They aren't recruiting or coaching well. I lose confidence in him if he can't figure that out. If Hutzler has to stay on as a Co-DC while a good DC calls the defense, so be it. But we can't run this shit back or Lebby won't be employed here very long.

StarkVegasSteve
11-22-2024, 10:58 AM
Lebby has to part ways with that defensive staff. They aren't recruiting or coaching well. I lose confidence in him if he can't figure that out. If Hutzler has to stay on as a Co-DC while a good DC calls the defense, so be it. But we can't run this shit back or Lebby won't be employed here very long.

I do agree that we need to overhaul the staff. If the contract is the big reason Hutzler is staying and you don't feel it will get better with talent, then let him coach LBs and move him to STC. Definitely get rid of Turner. The other two haven't shown me anything one way or the other so if a new DC has guys for those positions then can them.

HancockCountyDog
11-22-2024, 11:01 AM
Lebby has to part ways with that defensive staff. They aren't recruiting or coaching well. I lose confidence in him if he can't figure that out. If Hutzler has to stay on as a Co-DC while a good DC calls the defense, so be it. But we can't run this shit back or Lebby won't be employed here very long.

Honest question, how can you judge this defensive staff with the talent we have on the roster? I don't care if we keep Hutzler or fire him today, I just don't know how you can judge a defense when we don't have a DL on the roster that can win a one on one battle.

I guess when it comes to defense I'm a big believer in Jimmy's and Joe's over X's and O's. We don't have a single dude on defense. I don't think we have anyone on the defensive roster that can make an NFL roster. That is the first time I've thought that since following the team. I don't think there is a single guy on the 85 man roster that can make an NFL roster. The only possibility is Isaac Smith and honestly I don't think he has the speed to play in the NFL, he is a solid college safety.

Saying that, I don't know how you judge a DC with that level of talent deficiency. Now, if your response is Toledo scored 41 points, then I hear ya, and its a solid argument. I just think the defense is getting better.

StarkVegasSteve
11-22-2024, 11:27 AM
Honest question, how can you judge this defensive staff with the talent we have on the roster? I don't care if we keep Hutzler or fire him today, I just don't know how you can judge a defense when we don't have a DL on the roster that can win a one on one battle.

I guess when it comes to defense I'm a big believer in Jimmy's and Joe's over X's and O's. We don't have a single dude on defense. I don't think we have anyone on the defensive roster that can make an NFL roster. That is the first time I've thought that since following the team. I don't think there is a single guy on the 85 man roster that can make an NFL roster. The only possibility is Isaac Smith and honestly I don't think he has the speed to play in the NFL, he is a solid college safety.

Saying that, I don't know how you judge a DC with that level of talent deficiency. Now, if your response is Toledo scored 41 points, then I hear ya, and its a solid argument. I just think the defense is getting better.

A lot of people made up their mind after Arizona St and Toledo just added fuel to the fire. We were getting better and then Arkansas happened. I think, like you, that's it's more talent than scheme.

KB21
11-22-2024, 11:28 AM
LOL working for Colorado, OM, Missouri, ASU, and just about any school doing it. It's about taking the right players, not just a body.

It's a short-term fix. Colorado and Arizona State are in year two of their portal recruiting just to get to the point where they can compete. For every Ole Miss, there is a Florida State. I'm also not throwing shade at portal recruiting. We have to do it to get back to being competitive. It's not something that is sustainable long-term though.

KB21
11-22-2024, 11:30 AM
Lebby has to part ways with that defensive staff. They aren't recruiting or coaching well. I lose confidence in him if he can't figure that out. If Hutzler has to stay on as a Co-DC while a good DC calls the defense, so be it. But we can't run this shit back or Lebby won't be employed here very long.

How is Hutzler not recruiting well when four of our six four star rated players are defenders?

Johnson85
11-22-2024, 11:40 AM
Honest question, how can you judge this defensive staff with the talent we have on the roster? I don't care if we keep Hutzler or fire him today, I just don't know how you can judge a defense when we don't have a DL on the roster that can win a one on one battle.

I guess when it comes to defense I'm a big believer in Jimmy's and Joe's over X's and O's. We don't have a single dude on defense. I don't think we have anyone on the defensive roster that can make an NFL roster. That is the first time I've thought that since following the team. I don't think there is a single guy on the 85 man roster that can make an NFL roster. The only possibility is Isaac Smith and honestly I don't think he has the speed to play in the NFL, he is a solid college safety.

Saying that, I don't know how you judge a DC with that level of talent deficiency. Now, if your response is Toledo scored 41 points, then I hear ya, and its a solid argument. I just think the defense is getting better.

If we don't have the talent to be competitive with Toledo, then that's on this staff too. There are enough defensive players out there in the portal each year to at least supplement even a bad SEC defense and be a competitive G5 defense.

But I think you judge it based on just how out of position we are. If a DB gets beat because he's not athletic enough, he's still going to generally be somewhere in the vicinity. When a team can go long on 4th down because they know they can get three receivers deep and us only get two DBs back to cover them, that's coaching.

RezDog7
11-22-2024, 11:59 AM
Honest question, how can you judge this defensive staff with the talent we have on the roster? I don't care if we keep Hutzler or fire him today, I just don't know how you can judge a defense when we don't have a DL on the roster that can win a one on one battle.

I guess when it comes to defense I'm a big believer in Jimmy's and Joe's over X's and O's. We don't have a single dude on defense. I don't think we have anyone on the defensive roster that can make an NFL roster. That is the first time I've thought that since following the team. I don't think there is a single guy on the 85 man roster that can make an NFL roster. The only possibility is Isaac Smith and honestly I don't think he has the speed to play in the NFL, he is a solid college safety.

Saying that, I don't know how you judge a DC with that level of talent deficiency. Now, if your response is Toledo scored 41 points, then I hear ya, and it's area solid argument. I just think the defense is getting better.

We have to be at the bottom of opponent completion percentage. I understand our dline sucks. Blitz somebody. The scheme sucks.

Goldendawg
11-22-2024, 12:08 PM
I do agree that we need to overhaul the staff. If the contract is the big reason Hutzler is staying and you don't feel it will get better with talent, then let him coach LBs and move him to STC. Definitely get rid of Turner. The other two haven't shown me anything one way or the other so if a new DC has guys for those positions then can them.

Wow, seems like Hutzler was coaching ST/LB at bama, and we give him $1 million for 3 years to learn to be our DC (did something similar under Arnett but maybe not $1 million per). Who continues to sign off on our "On the Job Training Program" for AD's, HC's and DC's at State?*****

confucius say
11-22-2024, 12:11 PM
A lot of people made up their mind after Arizona St and Toledo just added fuel to the fire. We were getting better and then Arkansas happened. I think, like you, that's it's more talent than scheme.

I've been off Hutzler since Florida, but I will say Arkansas was the only game where we didn't keep getting better and it was the only one without all of your DL (Dinkins, Trevion, KBJ, and Russel). In games where Trevion and Russell have been back, the upward trajectory has continued. Will see how Mizzou goes.

Goldendawg
11-22-2024, 12:14 PM
Honest question, how can you judge this defensive staff with the talent we have on the roster? I don't care if we keep Hutzler or fire him today, I just don't know how you can judge a defense when we don't have a DL on the roster that can win a one on one battle.

I guess when it comes to defense I'm a big believer in Jimmy's and Joe's over X's and O's. We don't have a single dude on defense. I don't think we have anyone on the defensive roster that can make an NFL roster. That is the first time I've thought that since following the team. I don't think there is a single guy on the 85 man roster that can make an NFL roster. The only possibility is Isaac Smith and honestly I don't think he has the speed to play in the NFL, he is a solid college safety.

Saying that, I don't know how you judge a DC with that level of talent deficiency. Now, if your response is Toledo scored 41 points, then I hear ya, and its a solid argument. I just think the defense is getting better.

Getting better? We will probably go 2-10 and end the season close to last in most "D" stats nationally. This is definately a combination of poor talent and bad coaching.

Goldendawg
11-22-2024, 12:16 PM
If we don't have the talent to be competitive with Toledo, then that's on this staff too. There are enough defensive players out there in the portal each year to at least supplement even a bad SEC defense and be a competitive G5 defense.

But I think you judge it based on just how out of position we are. If a DB gets beat because he's not athletic enough, he's still going to generally be somewhere in the vicinity. When a team can go long on 4th down because they know they can get three receivers deep and us only get two DBs back to cover them, that's coaching.

This 100%. Been to every home game and opposition receivers still running wide open.

Goldendawg
11-22-2024, 12:20 PM
I've been off Hutzler since Florida, but I will say Arkansas was the only game where we didn't keep getting better and it was the only one without all of your DL (Dinkins, Trevion, KBJ, and Russel). In games where Trevion and Russell have been back, the upward trajectory has continued. Will see how Mizzou goes.

Dinkins has been out since the first game. I think the same thing happened last year. Hurt two years in a row.

StarkVegasSteve
11-22-2024, 01:59 PM
Getting back to actually reporting transfer news, which is what the thread was created for, Jayven Williams from Kennesaw State is visiting this weekend. I actually added him to the list yesterday. Pretty good numbers for a corner and he's 6'2 so he'll be in that Emerson and Forbes mold. I wouldn't say he's a starter candidate or anything, but he's better than a lot of the guys currently in that room.

Johnson85
11-22-2024, 02:45 PM
Wow, seems like Hutzler was coaching ST/LB at bama, and we give him $1 million for 3 years to learn to be our DC (did something similar under Arnett but maybe not $1 million per). Who continues to sign off on our "On the Job Training Program" for AD's, HC's and DC's at State?*****

It's incredibly frustrating. We're not getting proven head coaches, but we are not in such a bad position that we have to pair first time Head Coaches with first time or even inexperienced coordinators.

Mullen is one of the most arrogant coaches we've had who had zero doubts in his coaching ability, and he made it a point to get a DC not just with DC experience, but with prior head coaching experience. If you are a first time head coach and Dan Mullen is more humble than you, you really ought to consider whether you are maybe over confident.

I liked Arnett, but being a young first time head coach and bringing in an inexperienced OC to completely change the offensive scheme when you have an offensive roster full of upper classmen doesn't even qualify as arrogant. It's just stupid. He took what was already a difficult situation and made it impossible to succeed.

StarkVegasSteve
11-22-2024, 03:15 PM
Guys I mean no disrepect, but let's try to keep this to transfer portal stuff. I get we're all pissed with the defense, but let's try to post about it in the 583 other threads discussing it.

Cooterpoot
11-22-2024, 06:43 PM
I've been off Hutzler since Florida, but I will say Arkansas was the only game where we didn't keep getting better and it was the only one without all of your DL (Dinkins, Trevion, KBJ, and Russel). In games where Trevion and Russell have been back, the upward trajectory has continued. Will see how Mizzou goes.

We gave up a season high for points in an SEC game for TN, Georgia QB broke records against, Arkansas QB went off, us, etc. etc. we haven't gotten better, our overall ranking in defense has gotten worse actually. It's fallen like 9 spots since earlier this season. We are bottom 6 in college football now.

Walkerhill
11-24-2024, 11:32 AM
Could we pin this so it stays at the top of page 1?

StarkVegasSteve
11-24-2024, 11:44 AM
Could we pin this so it stays at the top of page 1?

Scooba is going to pin it in the next week or so. It will be pinned by the time the portal officially opens on December 9. Although I imagine next Sunday we will start to see a lot of names say they are entering.

msstate7
11-24-2024, 12:09 PM
Use the money on the LOS. You can mask a lot of holes if you're good on the LOS

Cowbell
11-24-2024, 02:08 PM
Use the money on the LOS. You can mask a lot of holes if you're good on the LOS

This is correct / average at skill positions with GOOD in the trenches gives you a chance in every game.

BankerDog
11-24-2024, 04:07 PM
First Portal haul is the CB out of Kennesaw State.

StarkVegasSteve
11-24-2024, 05:40 PM
First Portal haul is the CB out of Kennesaw State.

Like I said the other day, like his game. I do not believe he starts for us, but he is a long athletic corner. It is a solid first pickup. Now we need about 20 more defensive players.

MetEdDawg
11-24-2024, 05:46 PM
Like I said the other day, like his game. I do not believe he starts for us, but he is a long athletic corner. It is a solid first pickup. Now we need about 20 more defensive players.

This might be a dumb question, but if he doesn't start for us, how is he a solid pickup?

Bothrops
11-24-2024, 05:51 PM
This might be a dumb question, but if he doesn't start for us, how is he a solid pickup?

We'll lose a lot.

RezDog7
11-24-2024, 06:02 PM
We'll lose a lot.
Doesn't matter if we don't lose the coach.

msstate7
11-24-2024, 06:04 PM
We'll lose a lot.

Maybe this should concern me, but with a team this awful, I wouldn't hate completely resetting like prime time did 2 years ago at Colorado

RockyDog
11-24-2024, 06:07 PM
Maybe this should concern me, but with a team this awful, I wouldn't hate completely resetting like prime time did 2 years ago at Colorado

But he totally whiffed on defense in year 1. Their defensive line was almost as porous as ours this year. We need Deion’s 2nd haul.

Bothrops
11-24-2024, 06:17 PM
Maybe this should concern me, but with a team this awful, I wouldn't hate completely resetting like prime time did 2 years ago at Colorado

This transfer stuff makes everything complicated. I suspect we will have a largely brand new team next year on both sides.

StarkVegasSteve
11-24-2024, 06:28 PM
We'll lose a lot.

We need to lose a lot.

Walkerhill
11-24-2024, 06:34 PM
This transfer stuff makes everything complicated. I suspect we will have a largely brand new team next year on both sides.

I think that is probably because most of the transfer dealings are done off the table through representatives or family in the fall before the coaching changes in late November and December. We always hear you can overhaul a roster and win toght away, but it seems much more likely in the second year when a new coach has a full recruiting cycle. Colorado, Arizona State and Georgia Tech are examples.

StarkVegasSteve
11-24-2024, 07:09 PM
I think that is probably because most of the transfer dealings are done off the table through representatives or family in the fall before the coaching changes in late November and December. We always hear you can overhaul a roster and win toght away, but it seems much more likely in the second year when a new coach has a full recruiting cycle. Colorado, Arizona State and Georgia Tech are examples.

OM with Kiffin in year 2 had some impact transfers. They go 10-3 in year 2. It was also because they were year 2 in a system.

Coursesuper
11-24-2024, 08:18 PM
OM with Kiffin in year 2 had some impact transfers. They go 10-3 in year 2. It was also because they were year 2 in a system.

They were bad but not nearly as broken as our program was.

StarkVegasSteve
11-25-2024, 10:56 AM
I would look for a lot of portal entrants in the next week. I imagine we will also see some of our guys enter as well.

StarkVegasSteve
11-25-2024, 10:57 PM
Have added a few names today. A couple I would watch who are getting a ton of attention are UAPB WR Javonnie Gibson and NW Mo State TE Zach Atkins. Gibson led the SWAC in receiving and will be receiving a ton of interest. Atkins has already received 4 P4 offers in about 12 hours. We are on both.

We are also on an OL from Harvard and an OL from Charlotte.

StarkVegasSteve
11-26-2024, 04:20 PM
Have added some more names to the list so far. Don't be alarmed by all the FCS guys on the list. By and large, they are the only ones in the portal right now since their regular season has ended. We are on a few FCS guys, but so are a lot of other P4 programs right now.

Also added some UNC guys I believe we'll target with them moving on from Mack Brown.

ScoobaDawg
11-30-2024, 06:32 PM
Stickyied to the top

StarkVegasSteve
11-30-2024, 07:33 PM
Added our transfers out to the original post.

StarkVegasSteve
11-30-2024, 08:12 PM
Chrishon McCray from Kent St is officially in the portal. Would look for us to be a player for him. Wide Receiver. 40/705/9 for the year. Was the only bright spot for Kent St this year.

ZedFedder
12-01-2024, 09:33 PM
Kevin Concepcion from NC State and Micah Hudson from Texas Tech are two WRs I would go hard after.

StarkVegasSteve
12-01-2024, 10:11 PM
Justus Boone from Florida in the portal. Edge rusher. We need to be all over him.

StarkVegasSteve
12-02-2024, 12:37 PM
Harold Perkins is in the portal.

StarkVegasSteve
12-02-2024, 03:18 PM
As expected, Chris Parson(still no S) is in the portal. IMO this all but guarantees we will bring in a transfer QB.

bulldawg28
12-02-2024, 03:43 PM
Harold Perkins is in the portal.

I'm surprised by this one.

StarkVegasSteve
12-02-2024, 03:45 PM
I'm surprised by this one.

I'm not. LSU has replaced him and arguably looked better defensively since they did.

bulldawg28
12-02-2024, 04:21 PM
I'm not. LSU has replaced him and arguably looked better defensively since they did.

He was injured, he wasn't replaced

StarkVegasSteve
12-02-2024, 04:31 PM
He was injured, he wasn't replaced

Well then after they replaced him due to injury they got better. Perkins' problem is that he either has to play out of position at LB because that's where he'll play at the next level, and he's not as effective, or he plays D end and he can't get better at the position he's going to play at the next level. Oddly enough, the scheme we play would actually be great for him. Because we use Branden Jennings a lot in both roles and Perkins could take over that role.

Brobi-wan
12-02-2024, 07:06 PM
Every time I get on social media I see Ole Miss people posting about our transfers to distract from the fact that they?re not going to the playoff. Misery loves company. Hate Parson didn?t work out. I feel like he could?ve been great in this offense.

StarkVegasSteve
12-02-2024, 07:20 PM
Have been told to expect Trevion Williams to enter the portal when it opens.

DEDawg
12-02-2024, 07:25 PM
Have been told to expect Trevion Williams to enter the portal when it opens.

Should be pretty easy to replace his production. This was his third season in the program and he didn?t really do anything besides be a warm body

Coursesuper
12-02-2024, 07:31 PM
Have been told to expect Trevion Williams to enter the portal when it opens.

One of those that are asking for $$$ way over their value?

civildawg
12-02-2024, 07:51 PM
Should be pretty easy to replace his production. This was his third season in the program and he didn?t really do anything besides be a warm body

Agreed, want money? Have better results

BankerDog
12-02-2024, 07:52 PM
Have been told to expect Trevion Williams to enter the portal when it opens.

Guy had all physical tools, but two crappy DL coaches in Phelps and Turner.

BigDawg81
12-02-2024, 08:05 PM
Have been told to expect Trevion Williams to enter the portal when it opens. He came in with a lot of hype. We have waited for a couple of years for him to blow up and it never happened.

bulldawg28
12-02-2024, 08:05 PM
Have been told to expect Trevion Williams to enter the portal when it opens.

Hopefully they talk him out of it.

HancockCountyDog
12-02-2024, 11:19 PM
Hopefully they talk him out of it.

Perfect example of a player that we can?t over pay on to stay,

We did it last year with John Lewis and Anderson and they did nothing for us.

There are a handful of players we should pay to retain, he isn?t one of them.

bulldawg28
12-03-2024, 08:16 AM
Perfect example of a player that we can?t over pay on to stay,

We did it last year with John Lewis and Anderson and they did nothing for us.

There are a handful of players we should pay to retain, he isn?t one of them.

John Lewis definitely would have helped us. That's coaching malpractice with his situation.

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 08:54 AM
John Lewis definitely would have helped us. That's coaching malpractice with his situation.

Then it's coaching malpractice by two different staffs. Lewis has trouble covering routes and doesn't wrap up when he tackles. This staff gave him every chance and Tillman outplayed him.

BigDawg81
12-03-2024, 09:08 AM
Then it's coaching malpractice by two different staffs. Lewis has trouble covering routes and doesn't wrap up when he tackles. This staff gave him every chance and Tillman outplayed him. John Lewis went to SEC Media Days and a leader of the team. He was expected to be the next great Linebacker but it never happened.

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 09:10 AM
John Lewis went to SEC Media Days and a leader of the team. He was expected to be the next great Linebacker but it never happened.

Ehh it was more that he'd just been here longer than Issac Smith, Stone, etc. and we needed a defensive guy to go since we already had Shapen and Reese.

bulldawg28
12-03-2024, 09:54 AM
Then it's coaching malpractice by two different staffs. Lewis has trouble covering routes and doesn't wrap up when he tackles. This staff gave him every chance and Tillman outplayed him.

He played under Arnett. The new DC could have have moved him to DE for pressure

KB21
12-03-2024, 10:26 AM
John Lewis definitely would have helped us. That's coaching malpractice with his situation.

John Lewis can't play at this level. It's as simple as that. He's a straight-line athlete that lacks instincts and quickness. Too small to be an edge rusher. Not agile enough to bend the corner as an edge rusher. Not athletic enough to help in coverage.

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 10:58 AM
Good attrition so far on our roster. Need to lose about 25-30 more.

HancockCountyDog
12-03-2024, 11:30 AM
Good attrition so far on our roster. Need to lose about 25-30 more.

We can't lose that many and expect to fill all the holes with portal guys.

First, there won't be as many quality portal guys because schools have more NIL money and they will retain more. We will be retaining most of the players that other schools will want.

Second, quality portal guys are expensive and we can't go out and sign 20-25 quality portal guys. Yes we have a solid NIL budget, but hey this past year's roster wasn't cheap.

Finally, its not like our HS/Juco recruiting is producing a bunch of instant impact guys. We may have a few, but for the most part they are depth pieces. We need to hang on to some guys on our roster that are in the two deep that could provide decent depth.

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 11:59 AM
John Lewis in the portal.

Really Clark?
12-03-2024, 12:07 PM
Ty Cooper in the portal

Really Clark?
12-03-2024, 12:14 PM
We can't lose that many and expect to fill all the holes with portal guys.

First, there won't be as many quality portal guys because schools have more NIL money and they will retain more. We will be retaining most of the players that other schools will want.

Second, quality portal guys are expensive and we can't go out and sign 20-25 quality portal guys. Yes we have a solid NIL budget, but hey this past year's roster wasn't cheap.

Finally, it's not like our HS/Juco recruiting is producing a bunch of instant impact guys. We may have a few, but for the most part they are depth pieces. We need to hang on to some guys on our roster that are in the two deep that could provide decent depth.

Not all of the portal guys will be high dollar impact players. We have build a 2 deep, especially on defense. We will spend a lot because we need a lot and for the right guys we will have to overspend on some of them. But don't think every portal guy we sign are going to be top tier impact guys. But we will sign around 25 if at all possible and have the money to do so.

HancockCountyDog
12-03-2024, 12:28 PM
John Lewis in the portal.

He was told that his NIL deal wasn't being renewed.

I'm wondering what we tell Shapen. I can't imagine we renew his deal to be the backup.

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 12:31 PM
He was told that his NIL deal wasn't being renewed.

I'm wondering what we tell Shapen. I can't imagine we renew his deal to be the backup.

You renew it if either A) You don't get Arnold or B) If MVB doesn't stay and you can't find a good backup. Otherwise you thank him for his services and help him find a new school.

HancockCountyDog
12-03-2024, 12:34 PM
You renew it if either A) You don't get Arnold or B) If MVB doesn't stay and you can't find a good backup. Otherwise you thank him for his services and help him find a new school.

I don't see Arnold hitting the portal. If he does, I can't imagine he comes here. I would think he would do the Dillon Gabriel move. Plus, spending 7 figures on a QB and letting MVB walk (Which would happen) doesn't make sense when we have so many other holes.

I haven't heard anything about MVB leaving. He showed flashes, but thankfully not consistent enough to where I think someone offers him a bag to leave.

I think he gets a solid raise, we tell Shapen that he either takes a pay cut or he walks. If Shapen does walk, we have to get a mid-tier back up QB in the portal.

Really Clark?
12-03-2024, 12:47 PM
I don't see Arnold hitting the portal. If he does, I can't imagine he comes here. I would think he would do the Dillon Gabriel move. Plus, spending 7 figures on a QB and letting MVB walk (Which would happen) doesn't make sense when we have so many other holes.

I haven't heard anything about MVB leaving. He showed flashes, but thankfully not consistent enough to where I think someone offers him a bag to leave.

I think he gets a solid raise, we tell Shapen that he either takes a pay cut or he walks. If Shapen does walk, we have to get a mid-tier back up QB in the portal.

We may not get him but Arnold is most likely transferring and we have a shot. MVB only walks of thinks he can get more money than we are willing to pay. Auburn is coming after so many QB's that it's creating some chaos in the market. We have multiple plans in place and money to do any of them. Get Arnold, keep Shapen as ins, or bring in a G5 guy...we already have had those discussions.

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 01:18 PM
Brice Pollock in the portal. To say that is one we did not want to lose is an understatement. Need to find a way to get him back.

Really Clark?
12-03-2024, 01:45 PM
Brice Pollock in the portal. To say that is one we did not want to lose is an understatement. Need to find a way to get him back.

Agree, hopefully the market returns are within our range.

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 01:49 PM
Agree, hopefully the market returns are within our range.

If we want him back I believe we'll get him. I think I know who's in his ear though raising the price.

Bothrops
12-03-2024, 01:55 PM
Brice Pollock in the portal. To say that is one we did not want to lose is an understatement. Need to find a way to get him back.

Add another $500,000 or more to the portal fund to try and find a corner that may or may not be able to start at this level. This is such a fun game.

Really Clark?
12-03-2024, 01:59 PM
Add another $500,000 or more to the portal fund to try and find a corner that may or may not be able to start at this level. This is such a fun game.

It wouldn't take that much for an SEC caliber starter. An impact starter sure but not a solid player.

Really Clark?
12-03-2024, 01:59 PM
If we want him back I believe we'll get him. I think I know who's in his ear though raising the price.

Shocking...not

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 02:00 PM
Add another $500,000 or more to the portal fund to try and find a corner that may or may not be able to start at this level. This is such a fun game.

From what I was just told, this is posturing on his part. He has been approached by a certain SEC team(not Auburn) about transferring and he's trying to renegotiate an NIL deal. Let's see if we call his bluff.


Edit: Maybe it's not who I think it is. Just told from someone else it may be ass chapped McBath once again. Honestly, F that guy. He sucked as a coach and sucked as a recruiter. Now he's bitter Lebby didn't keep him.

Really Clark?
12-03-2024, 02:12 PM
From what I was just told, this is posturing on his part. He has been approached by a certain SEC team(not Auburn) about transferring and he's trying to renegotiate an NIL deal. Let's see if we call his bluff.


Edit: Maybe it's not who I think it is. Just told from someone else it may be ass chapped McBath once again. Honestly, F that guy. He sucked as a coach and sucked as a recruiter. Now he's bitter Lebby didn't keep him.

Then let him go to Lubbock to be with his suck ass "mentor". I like Pollock some as a second or third corner but he's not holding me hostage for more than we offered.

Cooterpoot
12-03-2024, 02:13 PM
Told yall you better prepare for 30-50 total moves and yall ain't seen nothing yet
On a side note, the nipples on the girl at the bottom of the page are nice.

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 02:16 PM
Told yall you better prepare for 30-50 total moves and yall ain't seen nothing yet

Altogether between transfers out and in I would put it closer to 55-75. We are probably going to have 25-40 transfers out and probably have 20-30 transfers in. We are completely flipping this roster. Which you need to do when you go 2-10

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 02:17 PM
Then let him go to Lubbock to be with his suck ass "mentor". I like Pollock some as a second or third corner but he's not holding me hostage for more than we offered.

Correct. There's 5 Brice Pollock's in the portal right this second and it doesn't officially open til next Monday. There will be 25 more by Monday at noon.

HancockCountyDog
12-03-2024, 02:19 PM
I'd like to keep him, but its hard to keep a quality SEC player if your team just went 2-10.

People keep saying throw money at him, well other schools will throw money at him, and give him an opportunity to win games.

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 02:22 PM
I'd like to keep him, but its hard to keep a quality SEC player if your team just went 2-10.

People keep saying throw money at him, well other schools will throw money at him, and give him an opportunity to win games.

Well and for a player like Pollock, he's not really an open the checkbook type guy. We have more pressing needs than a guy who's a 3rd corner on a decent team.

IMO this is Corey Ellington 2.0

Really Clark?
12-03-2024, 02:32 PM
Well and for a player like Pollock, he's not really an open the checkbook type guy. We have more pressing needs than a guy who's a 3rd corner on a decent team.

IMO this is Corey Ellington 2.0

Good comp for this situation

HancockCountyDog
12-03-2024, 02:38 PM
Well and for a player like Pollock, he's not really an open the checkbook type guy. We have more pressing needs than a guy who's a 3rd corner on a decent team.

I think you are selling short on Pollack. I think he was playing really well. If you think it will be easy for us to replace a solid SEC corner with someone with near the ability and experience - i'm not sure what to think;

ZedFedder
12-03-2024, 02:42 PM
Brice Pollock in the portal. To say that is one we did not want to lose is an understatement. Need to find a way to get him back.

One of the 3 or 4 off the defense you want to keep. We will see what happens, but this makes me think he is asking for a lot of money.

Really Clark?
12-03-2024, 02:43 PM
Gabe Moore in the portal. Good luck to him but he needs to drop down and one we needed to move on.

HancockCountyDog
12-03-2024, 02:44 PM
One of the 3 or 4 off the defense you want to keep. We will see what happens, but this makes me think he is asking for a lot of money.

I'm convinced that this is a Zavion Thomas situation. We will gladly pay him above market. It is hard to convince good players to take more money and hope we go 6-6. Some of these kids do want to win. Now Zavion wanted to play at LSU, but I've heard Pollack wants to win.

I hope we can keep him, I think he is really good.

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 02:45 PM
I'm convinced that this is a Zavion Thomas situation. We will gladly pay him above market. It is hard to convince good players to take more money and hope we go 6-6. Some of these kids do want to win. Now Zavion wanted to play at LSU, but I've heard Pollack wants to win.

I hope we can keep him, I think he is really good.

No he's really good on our 2024 defense. On an average defense he's a 3rd corner.

Homedawg
12-03-2024, 02:53 PM
If we want him back I believe we'll get him. I think I know who's in his ear though raising the price.

yes, mcbath

Homedawg
12-03-2024, 02:57 PM
You renew it if either A) You don't get Arnold or B) If MVB doesn't stay and you can't find a good backup. Otherwise you thank him for his services and help him find a new school.

not sure where you are getting this arnold info? That's stuff that was possible before he got his job at OU back. I don't expect him here. And unless something has changed since friday, and it could have, I'm expecting us to try to keep Shapen.

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 02:58 PM
yes, mcbath

I originally thought OM and tried to confirm that with someone who would know but was told McBath pretty quickly from someone else

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 03:00 PM
not sure where you are getting this arnold info? That's stuff that was possible before he got his job at OU back. I don't expect him here. And unless something has changed since friday, and it could have, I'm ecpecting us to try to keep Shapen.

Arnold has been in the works since late September. Got that from an analyst on our staff. Lebby, his dad, and Charlie have been talking since then. Nothing has changed even with him getting his job back. Arbuckle makes it even less likely they retain Jackson. The offense he runs is the same as Littrell. Venables wants to run Air Raid there.

Coursesuper
12-03-2024, 03:21 PM
Y'all better buckle up this is going to be a wild ride for the next few months.

HancockCountyDog
12-03-2024, 03:22 PM
not sure where you are getting this arnold info? That's stuff that was possible before he got his job at OU back. I don't expect him here. And unless something has changed since friday, and it could have, I'm expecting us to try to keep Shapen.

I'm assuming we are going to drastically adjust his current deal. We can't pay two QB's Shapen money, and I would assume that MVB is expecting to not only be the starter but to be paid like one.

Really Clark?
12-03-2024, 03:28 PM
I'm assuming we are going to drastically adjust his current deal. We can't pay two QB's Shapen money, and I would assume that MVB is expecting to not only be the starter but to be paid like one.

How much do you think Shapen was making? It wasn't breaking the bank money I assure you. We can pay 2 QB's that amount this year and be good.

Cooterpoot
12-03-2024, 03:35 PM
Y'all better buckle up this is going to be a wild ride for the next few months.

We'll have a good idea of things by the end of this month

Cooterpoot
12-03-2024, 03:38 PM
I originally thought OM and tried to confirm that with someone who would know but was told McBath pretty quickly from someone else

McBath isn't even coaching, he's just an analyst and that defensive staff got fired

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 03:48 PM
McBath isn't even coaching, he's just an analyst and that defensive staff got fired

Oh I do not think he is trying to get him to Texas Tech. He just wants to hurt us as much as he can. Did the same thing last offseason. Nicholson, Richardson, and Ellington were the same situation. We just got one of them back.

Homedawg
12-03-2024, 05:05 PM
How much do you think Shapen was making? It wasn't breaking the bank money I assure you. We can pay 2 QB's that amount this year and be good.

hmmmmm he was making a good chunk......

Really Clark?
12-03-2024, 05:09 PM
hmmmmm he was making a good chunk......

But not so much that we couldn't pay 2 QB. Not that we will or want to just we are in a much better position this year that we could and still have money to address other areas.

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 05:26 PM
But not so much that we couldn't pay 2 QB. Not that we will or want to just we are in a much better position this year that we could and still have money to address other areas.

A LOT MORE money.

Coursesuper
12-03-2024, 06:19 PM
A LOT MORE money.

If only we hadn?t sat on our ass for two years. Actually been proactive imagining where we could have been. Not with a reactionary hire after our coach passes away, and this shelf not being totally empty for the new staff.

Dawgology
12-03-2024, 06:20 PM
But not so much that we couldn't pay 2 QB. Not that we will or want to just we are in a much better position this year that we could and still have money to address other areas.

I think between $250-$300k

StarkVegasSteve
12-03-2024, 06:43 PM
If only we hadn?t sat on our ass for two years. Actually been proactive imagining where we could have been. Not with a reactionary hire after our coach passes away, and this shelf not being totally empty for the new staff.

Correct. Instead we had Cohen peddling baseballs for the first 12 months of NIL when everyone else was implementing plans. We started formulating a plan around that time and it was not even our AD or athletic dept formulating a plan. It was Charlie Winfield.

Cowbell
12-03-2024, 07:37 PM
McBath isn't even coaching, he's just an analyst and that defensive staff got fired

Nothing stopping him from making some commission

RezDog7
12-03-2024, 10:27 PM
Told yall you better prepare for 30-50 total moves and yall ain't seen nothing yet
On a side note, the nipples on the girl at the bottom of the page are nice.

There's literally no other players on our team that matter tbh. Just bring in a whole new 105. Who cares at this point.

RezDog7
12-03-2024, 10:30 PM
Y'all better buckle up this is going to be a wild ride for the next few months.

It's been in the ditch for years. You ain't gonna surprise my with anything at this point. I'm just assuming everybody gone but the coaches.

Walkerhill
12-03-2024, 10:44 PM
Told yall you better prepare for 30-50 total moves and yall ain't seen nothing yet
On a side note, the nipples on the girl at the bottom of the page are nice.

What do we mean by ?total moves? here? As many as 50 scholarship players transferring out?

DEDawg
12-03-2024, 10:47 PM
What do we mean by ?total moves? here? As many as 50 scholarship players transferring out?

Prob 25 out, 25 in. Also someone should tell Cooterpoot that ads are targeted based on browsing history lol

Walkerhill
12-03-2024, 11:22 PM
Prob 25 out, 25 in. Also someone should tell Cooterpoot that ads are targeted based on browsing history lol

For real, I did not get the same ad. I got a Zale?s ad.

25 in and out seems about right, 50 out seems like an absolute nightmare from a team culture perspective. FSU 2024 implosion x 100.

TNDawg35
12-03-2024, 11:52 PM
Prob 25 out, 25 in. Also someone should tell Cooterpoot that ads are targeted based on browsing history lol

Hell I stopped reading and scrolled to the bottom of the page. I was disappointed…

Todd4State
12-04-2024, 02:57 AM
For real, I did not get the same ad. I got a Zale?s ad.

25 in and out seems about right, 50 out seems like an absolute nightmare from a team culture perspective. FSU 2024 implosion x 100.

I actually would be OK with 50. Our team was awful. I don't want to continue whatever culture we have going anyway. And what would be an implosion for us? Losing to UMass and going 1-11?

StarkVegasSteve
12-04-2024, 04:00 PM
Not a good day for any sources, some of mine included, but they did hit on this one. Jackson Arnold is in the portal.

Really Clark?
12-04-2024, 04:07 PM
Not a good day for any sources, some of mine included, but they did hit on this one. Jackson Arnold is in the portal.

Half right...he's got to sign here too. Lol. I kid

StarkVegasSteve
12-04-2024, 04:08 PM
Half right...he's got to sign here too. Lol. I kid

Oh he does and he will be very coveted. But we have Lebby and legit the only reason Jackson Arnold went to OU was Lebby.

DEDawg
12-04-2024, 05:26 PM
Not a good day for any sources, some of mine included, but they did hit on this one. Jackson Arnold is in the portal.

Would be huge. I think if we get him, you have to let MVB go unless he is happy not getting SEC QB1 money and an open competition. With KT signing, if we get JA one of MVB or Shapen is gone and maybe both. Could see us rolling with JA starter, a G5 transfer as backup, KT as the future.

Coursesuper
12-04-2024, 05:50 PM
Oh he does and he will be very coveted. But we have Lebby and legit the only reason Jackson Arnold went to OU was Lebby.

From what I?ve been told we have been in communication with them for several weeks now. Is that what you?re hearing?

StarkVegasSteve
12-04-2024, 06:23 PM
From what I?ve been told we have been in communication with them for several weeks now. Is that what you?re hearing?

Since after the Tennessee game where they replaced him. I tried to tell folks that nothing changed after the Bama game. We have been communicating with him and Van Buren is aware of that.

HancockCountyDog
12-04-2024, 06:52 PM
But not so much that we couldn't pay 2 QB. Not that we will or want to just we are in a much better position this year that we could and still have money to address other areas.

If MVB gets what he wants and Shapen gets what he did last year, it would cost us close to 2.5 million.

That is nearly triple what Walter Nolan got from the bears.

If we are paying the QB room 2.5 million, we better be getting Cam Ward level production.

KB21
12-04-2024, 07:14 PM
Looks like Pounders is getting processed out.

HancockCountyDog
12-04-2024, 07:29 PM
Looks like Pounders is getting processed out.

Talk about waste of money?.

Really Clark?
12-04-2024, 07:38 PM
If MVB gets what he wants and Shapen gets what he did last year, it would cost us close to 2.5 million.

That is nearly triple what Walter Nolan got from the bears.

If we are paying the QB room 2.5 million, we better be getting Cam Ward level production.

Neither would get what they want though. Shapen will be taking a drop for sure if he stays.

BankerDog
12-04-2024, 07:41 PM
Talk about waste of money?.

Would be a solid guard but I believe this is Percy 2.0?too many people just had to have him but he was a good guard that we paid LT money to. We have got to start doing better ID?ing true tackles. Last one we had that I can remember would either be Cross or Rankin or Clausell.

BankerDog
12-04-2024, 07:42 PM
Neither would get what they want though. Shapen will be taking a drop for sure if he stays.

I was told they were asking Shapen to move on but who knows. Maybe Will has a grad year to come in and back-up? HA

Really Clark?
12-04-2024, 07:50 PM
I was told they were asking Shapen to move on but who knows. Maybe Will has a grad year to come in and back-up? HA

I think it depends on how it shakes out

ETA. On Shapen, not Will. Lol

Bothrops
12-04-2024, 07:58 PM
Is the Jackson Arnold thing real?

StarkVegasSteve
12-04-2024, 08:14 PM
Is the Jackson Arnold thing real?

If you mean him entering the portal? Then yes. If you mean his interest in reuniting with Lebby? Then also yes.

Todd4State
12-04-2024, 08:59 PM
If you mean him entering the portal? Then yes. If you mean his interest in reuniting with Lebby? Then also yes.

Aaron Murray had a tweet that said "Mississippi State" with Arnold's announcement. FWIW.

HancockCountyDog
12-04-2024, 09:03 PM
I think it depends on how it shakes out

ETA. On Shapen, not Will. Lol

I think Shapen is the first domino.

Ive been told that we want him back but not at the number we paid him this year, I do not see anyone paying him much so hopefully he takes a pay cut and stays.

My understanding is that we are going all in on Arnold. Especially with what MVB wants. I agree with that philosophy too. Arnold is simply better and we get the publicity that we desperately need right now. Plus he most likely gives us two years which is optimal for KT.

StarkVegasSteve
12-04-2024, 09:07 PM
I think Shapen is the first domino.

Ive been told that we want him back but not at the number we paid him this year, I do not see anyone paying him much so hopefully he takes a pay cut and stays.

My understanding is that we are going all in on Arnold. Especially with what MVB wants. I agree with that philosophy too. Arnold is simply better and we get the publicity that we desperately need right now. Plus he most likely gives us two years which is optimal for KT.

Arnold will give us two out of all likelihood but understands that if Kamario progresses quickly he will challenge him in 26. Jackson will still win but he is the guy. I still think there's a chance that Van Buren stays but I believe he is trying to maneuver his way to Auburn.

HancockCountyDog
12-04-2024, 09:18 PM
Arnold will give us two out of all likelihood but understands that if Kamario progresses quickly he will challenge him in 26. Jackson will still win but he is the guy. I still think there's a chance that Van Buren stays but I believe he is trying to maneuver his way to Auburn.

AU cant pin their hopes to MVB. I think he has potential, but Freeze needs 8+ wins next year.

I would expect AU to look to land a top 5 portal QB after dealing with Thorne this year.

StarkVegasSteve
12-04-2024, 09:19 PM
14 transfers out so far. I would expect probably 8-10 more.

Todd4State
12-04-2024, 09:19 PM
I think Shapen is the first domino.

Ive been told that we want him back but not at the number we paid him this year, I do not see anyone paying him much so hopefully he takes a pay cut and stays.

My understanding is that we are going all in on Arnold. Especially with what MVB wants. I agree with that philosophy too. Arnold is simply better and we get the publicity that we desperately need right now. Plus he most likely gives us two years which is optimal for KT.

But again who would want Shapen? I wouldn't be shocked if a reduced offer from MSU was his best offer.

He's injury prone and will be limited in spring practice for whoever he plays for.

StarkVegasSteve
12-04-2024, 09:34 PM
But again who would want Shapen? I wouldn't be shocked if a reduced offer from MSU was his best offer.

He's injury prone and will be limited in spring practice for whoever he plays for.

A G5 team will take a chance. It will just be does he want money or a chance. We will still probably be the best money offer.

StarkVegasSteve
12-04-2024, 09:35 PM
AU cant pin their hopes to MVB. I think he has potential, but Freeze needs 8+ wins next year.

I would expect AU to look to land a top 5 portal QB after dealing with Thorne this year.

He is pursuing Auburn a lot harder than they are pursuing him at this point.

HancockCountyDog
12-04-2024, 11:14 PM
He is pursuing Auburn a lot harder than they are pursuing him at this point.

We need to be strong here, he does not have the leverage he thinks he has.

If we can get Arnold, you make it happen.

KB21
12-05-2024, 09:32 AM
It probably doesn't mean much, but when you look at Jeff Lebby's X account for who he is following, Jackson Arnold is the top name on that list. I don't know how X sorts who you are following. I do know that in the past, Jackson Arnold has been on that list but wasn't the top name. Like I said though, it probably doesn't mean much. It does seem very likely that he ends up at Mississippi State, because he almost did it last season.

StarkVegasSteve
12-05-2024, 10:18 AM
It probably doesn't mean much, but when you look at Jeff Lebby's X account for who he is following, Jackson Arnold is the top name on that list. I don't know how X sorts who you are following. I do know that in the past, Jackson Arnold has been on that list but wasn't the top name. Like I said though, it probably doesn't mean much. It does seem very likely that he ends up at Mississippi State, because he almost did it last season.

Lebby would tell you, and he has privately told people this, he should have gone after Arnold and not Gabriel last year. Arnold would have come last year and until they made all these promises to him, he was going to enter the portal anyways and come here and just compete with whoever we brought in.

The plan has been, and I checked on it yesterday after people told me I was wrong on Monday, and still is to bring in Arnold and let him compete with Van Buren/Shapen/another transfer. Arnold will win that battle and will be our QB in 25 and 26 while Kamario is getting ready and we will be ready to roll on the second year of the schedule change with the most physically gifted QB Lebby has ever coached and a veteran team.

In the words of Sam Hinkie, Trust The Process.

HancockCountyDog
12-05-2024, 10:56 AM
Lebby would tell you, and he has privately told people this, he should have gone after Arnold and not Gabriel last year. Arnold would have come last year and until they made all these promises to him, he was going to enter the portal anyways and come here and just compete with whoever we brought in.

The plan has been, and I checked on it yesterday after people told me I was wrong on Monday, and still is to bring in Arnold and let him compete with Van Buren/Shapen/another transfer. Arnold will win that battle and will be our QB in 25 and 26 while Kamario is getting ready and we will be ready to roll on the second year of the schedule change with the most physically gifted QB Lebby has ever coached and a veteran team.

In the words of Sam Hinkie, Trust The Process.

I don't see any world where we have Arnold/MVB/SHapen in the QB room. Arnold is going to be demanding a big number and he can probably get it. MVB is demanding a big number, but I don't think he can get it.

Shapen is already being paid a solid number, and will he take a pay cut? If not, there is no way we can have all three on campus in the spring. You would be talking about 3.5 to 4.0 million in the QB room?

No chance that happens.

StarkVegasSteve
12-05-2024, 11:06 AM
I don't see any world where we have Arnold/MVB/SHapen in the QB room. Arnold is going to be demanding a big number and he can probably get it. MVB is demanding a big number, but I don't think he can get it.

Shapen is already being paid a solid number, and will he take a pay cut? If not, there is no way we can have all three on campus in the spring. You would be talking about 3.5 to 4.0 million in the QB room?

No chance that happens.

Arnold's number isn't as big as you think. Van Buren's number is and I believe he will end up transferring. He is trying to maneuver his way to Auburn but he is more interested in them than vice versa. There's 4-5 names in front of him on their board. On Shapen, we have discussed things with him. He knows if he comes back it's at a much lower number and it's probably to be a backup. There's contigency plans already in place to go out and get a G5 guy to be a backup if Shapen and Van Buren both walk.

KB21
12-05-2024, 11:21 AM
Arnold's number isn't as big as you think. Van Buren's number is and I believe he will end up transferring. He is trying to maneuver his way to Auburn but he is more interested in them than vice versa. There's 4-5 names in front of him on their board. On Shapen, we have discussed things with him. He knows if he comes back it's at a much lower number and it's probably to be a backup. There's contigency plans already in place to go out and get a G5 guy to be a backup if Shapen and Van Buren both walk.

I trust what you are saying on this, but I can't see how MVB decommits from Oregon because he wants to play for Lebby at Mississippi State and then decides that he'd rather play for Hugh Freeze at Auburn. It makes no sense. Hugh is the most overrated coach in the conference. His offense is a joke, and MVB will be committing career suicide if he made that move.

StarkVegasSteve
12-05-2024, 11:26 AM
I trust what you are saying on this, but I can't see how MVB decommits from Oregon because he wants to play for Lebby at Mississippi State and then decides that he'd rather play for Hugh Freeze at Auburn. It makes no sense. Hugh is the most overrated coach in the conference. His offense is a joke, and MVB will be committing career suicide if he made that move.

Because someone from Auburn, not affiliated with the staff, got in the ear of his representatives and told him how much Auburn would pay him. This happened after the UGA game. It's no coincidence that Van Buren was reposting a lot of the Auburn commits on his story yesterday.

Really Clark?
12-05-2024, 11:45 AM
I think if it was today and MVB stuck to his number, Arnold would cost less. Let that sink in.

KB21
12-05-2024, 11:49 AM
https://x.com/On3sports/status/1864712148733067318

Todd4State
12-05-2024, 11:50 AM
I think if it was today and MVB stuck to his number, Arnold would cost less. Let that sink in.

Well then this is a no brainer.

StarkVegasSteve
12-05-2024, 11:58 AM
https://x.com/On3sports/status/1864712148733067318

Auburn is going to be mentioned with every QB. They are on Salter harder than any of them right now though. That's Hugh's guy and who he wants. They are also in on Miller Moss. And the will be in on Noah Fifita once he enters. He is probably the one they would ditch Salter and go really hard after.

KB21
12-05-2024, 12:02 PM
Auburn is going to be mentioned with every QB. They are on Salter harder than any of them right now though. That's Hugh's guy and who he wants. They are also in on Miller Moss. And the will be in on Noah Fifita once he enters. He is probably the one they would ditch Salter and go really hard after.

I saw this somewhere else, but any truth to the statement that David Turner is not currently under contract for next season?

Really Clark?
12-05-2024, 12:06 PM
I saw this somewhere else, but any truth to the statement that David Turner is not currently under contract for next season?

His contract expires Jan 31. Holceck is the one that doesn't have a contract right now.

StarkVegasSteve
12-05-2024, 12:09 PM
I saw this somewhere else, but any truth to the statement that David Turner is not currently under contract for next season?

He is not. Neither is Barnes. Turner's contract won't be renewed and I do not believe Barnes' will. It's why I think you see Odom shift to Safeties, Coleman shift into STC coordinator and either keep the LBs or split them into inside/outside, and bring in a DC to coach that position or DL. Also a possibility we swing a big stick and try to get Freddie Roach from Bama to coach DL

KB21
12-05-2024, 12:09 PM
His contract expires Jan 31. Holceck is the one that doesn't have a contract right now.

I am assuming that he is the most likely coach to be replaced at this point.

Really Clark?
12-05-2024, 12:11 PM
I am assuming that he is the most likely coach to be replaced at this point.

Him and Barnes. See what / if we do with anything with Kennedy / Clemons

StarkVegasSteve
12-05-2024, 12:16 PM
I am assuming that he is the most likely coach to be replaced at this point.

He is the foregone conclusion that he's being replaced. Corey Bell is safe and has us on some really good DB guys from the Florida area. Holecek will be an interesting one. I mean Lebby coaches the QB so Matt really is just QB coach in title. In a perfect world, we could get Kendall from TCU and let him handle that and Lebby would turn play calling over to him. He's making too much there though and his wife openly loathes Starkville. Even with Staley here she wouldn't want to be here.

KB21
12-05-2024, 01:22 PM
He is the foregone conclusion that he's being replaced. Corey Bell is safe and has us on some really good DB guys from the Florida area. Holecek will be an interesting one. I mean Lebby coaches the QB so Matt really is just QB coach in title. In a perfect world, we could get Kendall from TCU and let him handle that and Lebby would turn play calling over to him. He's making too much there though and his wife openly loathes Starkville. Even with Staley here she wouldn't want to be here.

A name I'd keep an eye on for DL coach is Miguel Chavis.

HancockCountyDog
12-05-2024, 01:23 PM
If Arnold shows up does Shapen and MVB leave?

I'm assuming MVB definitely does, but what about Shapen?

I'm in the Arnold camp over MVB, but its not a blowout. I guess if he is cheaper, then its a no brainer, the question is whether UGA or AU will allow him to be cheaper.

StarkVegasSteve
12-05-2024, 01:40 PM
If Arnold shows up does Shapen and MVB leave?

I'm assuming MVB definitely does, but what about Shapen?

I'm in the Arnold camp over MVB, but its not a blowout. I guess if he is cheaper, then its a no brainer, the question is whether UGA or AU will allow him to be cheaper.

UGA is all in on Rashada. If they bring in another guy I would not expect it's someone like Arnold. They would kill their QB room. They already have Rashada and Gunner Stockton along with Ryan Puglisi.

Auburn is going to muddy things, but just based on what I've heard out of their camp their board is 1. Fifita 2. Salter 3. Moss.

StarkVegasSteve
12-05-2024, 01:41 PM
A name I'd keep an eye on for DL coach is Miguel Chavis.

That's a name that has been thrown around as well. He's been with Brett a long time though so I don't know the chances we could pull him.

Hot Rock
12-05-2024, 01:45 PM
[QUOTE=HancockCountyDog;1627405]If Arnold shows up does Shapen and MVB leave?

I'm assuming MVB definitely does, but what about Shapen?

Deleted... I had bad info or miseremembered

BankerDog
12-05-2024, 01:58 PM
I trust what you are saying on this, but I can't see how MVB decommits from Oregon because he wants to play for Lebby at Mississippi State and then decides that he'd rather play for Hugh Freeze at Auburn. It makes no sense. Hugh is the most overrated coach in the conference. His offense is a joke, and MVB will be committing career suicide if he made that move.

Auburn signed three Maryland kids yesterday. That?s the want to from MVB to go there.

HancockCountyDog
12-05-2024, 02:10 PM
Auburn signed three Maryland kids yesterday. That?s the want to from MVB to go there.

Freeze will get crucified (pun intended) if he tries to tell his fan base that after Payton Thorne, his QB for next year is our QB who was slightly over 50% passing for the season and went 0-8 in the SEC, yeah, they won't be happy.

Todd4State
12-05-2024, 02:26 PM
He is the foregone conclusion that he's being replaced. Corey Bell is safe and has us on some really good DB guys from the Florida area. Holecek will be an interesting one. I mean Lebby coaches the QB so Matt really is just QB coach in title. In a perfect world, we could get Kendall from TCU and let him handle that and Lebby would turn play calling over to him. He's making too much there though and his wife openly loathes Starkville. Even with Staley here she wouldn't want to be here.

I could see Lebby trying to get Joe Jon Finley on staff. He was the OC at Oklahoma after they fired Littrell. So he has some play calling experience.

I would like to keep Holocek. He has a good reputation as a QB coach.