2025 Transfer Portal Thread

[Todd4State]

Why is whitson so high on the board? Did he have great stats at coastal?

Potential NFL future from what I read.

[Goldendawg]

I am concerned about the evaluation and possible SEC talent level of our JC commits. With the addition of the 6'9" "TE" we now have 12 JC players in our class of 27. I went back and looked at the offer sheet of each player. Only 4 of the 12 had P4 offers and 2 of the 4 only had offers from us and OM.from P4. Have most others in the SEC abandoned the MS JC ranks (about 9 of our commits are from there) to concentrate on the portal or are our evaluations off? Time will tell for sure in 2026 as most JC guys seem to take a year to adjust to SEC play for us. Maybe a few will contribute in 2025. Either we have a "diamond in the rough pipeline" that others have abandoned or we may see Jackie's Western AZ CC 2.0.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Potential NFL future from what I read.

He got injured this year but was looked at as a sure fire NFL guy before the season. He would be a really good get for us.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ole Miss will overpay for a PR win for sure. Hopefully Fluff will let us counter whatever their offer is.

The problem is that they've already overpaid for two(Andrew Jones at Grambling and Odom from Bama).

[StarkVegasSteve]

I am concerned about the evaluation and possible SEC talent level of our JC commits. With the addition of the 6'9" "TE" we now have 12 JC players in our class of 27. I went back and looked at the offer sheet of each player. Only 4 of the 12 had P4 offers and 2 of the 4 only had offers from us and OM.from P4. Have most others in the SEC abandoned the MS JC ranks (about 9 of our commits are from there?)

Well the Bama, LSU, UGA of the world have abandoned the JUCO ranks. They use G5 like JUCO now. Your mid tier SEC programs (OM, us, USCe, Arky, etc) will still use it if the prospect is really good, i.e. Tony Mitchell or Zavion Hardy. We had to use it this year so much to build up depth. We need guys that have the bodies, we can't rely on HS kids to build depth.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I've updated the OP with the commitments I was able to find. I haven't gotten to the DBs yet. I will try to get to them this afternoon.

[Goldendawg]

Well the Bama, LSU, UGA of the world have abandoned the JUCO ranks. They use G5 like JUCO now. Your mid tier SEC programs (OM, us, USCe, Arky, etc) will still use it if the prospect is really good, i.e. Tony Mitchell or Zavion Hardy. We had to use it this year so much to build up depth. We need guys that have the bodies, we can't rely on HS kids to build depth.

Tony Mitchell looks to be the real deal. Worried about most of these guys. Still disappointed on Lebby's commits on signing day regarding the DL JC signees that "now we have some big guys to practice against on the Scout Team". Really and is that the best we could do in recruiting in this cycle for HS/JC? Spending scholarships and some NIL $ for Scout team players? Wow.

[Really Clark?]

Why is whitson so high on the board? Did he have great stats at coastal?

He is a legit NFL prospect and if he hadn't been injured probably would have went pro this year.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Tony Mitchell looks to be the real deal. Worried about most of these guys. Still disappointed on Lebby's commits on signing day regarding the DL JC signees that "now we have some guys to practice against on the Scout Team". Really and is that the best we could do in recruiting in this cycle for HS/JC? Spending scholarships and some NIL $ for Scout team players? Wow.

Well remember.....there's no more walk ons. Everyone is on scholarship now. And I imagine their NIL is $500-$1,000/month. I also don't think some people realize how bad we were off this year from a numbers stand point. I mean we were barely able to practice most weeks because of the injuries we had and the numbers we had at multiple positions. Finally with like a month left we just said screw it and started going full tip. Coincidentally, we got better defensively after that.

[Goldendawg]

Well remember.....there's no more walk ons. Everyone is on scholarship now. And I imagine their NIL is $500-$1,000/month. I also don't think some people realize how bad we were off this year from a numbers stand point. I mean we were barely able to practice most weeks because of the injuries we had and the numbers we had at multiple positions. Finally with like a month left we just said screw it and started going full tip. Coincidentally, we got better defensively after that.

It wasn't just a numbers thing. Yes, we finished at around our usual 25 to 30 ranking in recruiting the last few years under multiple HC's, but our roster was extremely out of balance. One recent Spring Game I counted about 20 WR/Slot players on the program that day. "D" has been especially neglected in several past recruiting cycles. We can't expect to beat people 50 to 42 under any HC against SEC foes.

[HancockCountyDog]

Why is whitson so high on the board? Did he have great stats at coastal?

He is an upgrade over what we have currently. That is all that matters. No one is saying he is going to be all sec, but he is way better than what we have on the roster right now.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He is an upgrade over what we have currently. That is all that matters. No one is saying he is going to be all sec, but he is way better than what we have on the roster right now.

He was really solid last year and was looked at as a sure fire NFL guy before the injury. He tried to come back and give it a go but wasn't fully healthy so he decided to transfer instead of entering the draft. He will be a really good pickup for us. I would imagine we'll get him and put another 10 or so pounds on him where he's playing close to 300.

[bigbub50]

He is an upgrade over what we have currently. That is all that matters. No one is saying he is going to be all sec, but he is way better than what we have on the roster right now.

I realize he is probably better than who we have. I was just trying to connect the dots. How does a player that is that good end up at coastal. Got to be a story there.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I realize he is probably better than who we have. I was just trying to connect the dots. How does a player that is that good end up at coastal. Got to be a story there.

How did Tre Harris end up at La Tech? How did Trey Amos end up at ULL? How did Cody Schrader end up at Truman St? How did Cam Ward end up at Incarnate Word?

Players slip through the cracks each and every day.

[bigbub50]

How did Tre Harris end up at La Tech? How did Trey Amos end up at ULL? How did Cody Schrader end up at Truman St? How did Cam Ward end up at Incarnate Word?

Players slip through the cracks each and every day.

Gotcha. I just didn’t know if he started at coastal or started somewhere else type of deal. I’m not questioning his character. I love to know where these guys started and route to Starkville. I did a simple search but didn’t investigate fully. I couldn’t tell much from his 247 page.

[HancockCountyDog]

Ole Miss will overpay for a PR win for sure. Hopefully Fluff will let us counter whatever their offer is.

I'm saying this now before he commits anywhere. Fluff isn't that great. He is a solid G5 back, but that is it. I don't think he is much different than the Amos kid they signed last year that did zero for them this year.

I was worried they were going to get the Haynes kid from Bama, he was legit.

[HancockCountyDog]

I realize he is probably better than who we have. I was just trying to connect the dots. How does a player that is that good end up at coastal. Got to be a story there.

Well lets be clear, no one is saying this is a first round draft pick type talent. If he stayed healthy, he would have been probably projected rounds 5-7.

Now for us, that is a massive upgrade. Kids like Whitson who work their ass off in college, especially on the DL can make themselves draftable players.

The same way we can have 4 star kids not pan out for us all the time.

[bigbub50]

Well lets be clear, no one is saying this is a first round draft pick type talent. If he stayed healthy, he would have been probably projected rounds 5-7.

Now for us, that is a massive upgrade. Kids like Whitson who work their ass off in college, especially on the DL can make themselves draftable players.

The same way we can have 4 star kids not pan out for us all the time.

Okay, I did some more digging and looks like he started at Independence Community College in Kansas and then went to coastal so that answers my question. I’d love to see him in maroon.

[Todd4State]

I'm saying this now before he commits anywhere. Fluff isn't that great. He is a solid G5 back, but that is it. I don't think he is much different than the Amos kid they signed last year that did zero for them this year.

I was worried they were going to get the Haynes kid from Bama, he was legit.

Fluff's YPA was over 7. He may be a bust but with his numbers he isn't a bad guy to roll the dice on.

I agree about Haynes.

[HancockCountyDog]

Fluff's YPA was over 7. He may be a bust but with his numbers he isn't a bad guy to roll the dice on.

I agree about Haynes.

He is a solid back, but if you go look at his stats, he racked up a bunch of yards against a DII team and couldn't do shit against LSU. Look, he may be awesome. I just think that it is harder to go from G5 to p4 at RB more than most positions.

The Haynes kid is going to SC or Michigan, so that is good news. I did not want him in oxford.

[KB21]

Booth and Akharaiyi are going through the process of getting 2025.

[bulldawg28]

Booth and Akharaiyi are going through the process of getting 2025.

Nice

[Young dawg]

I haven?t watched fluff to much but he doesn?t seem to have break away speed. I would see him being more of a poweback.

[Todd4State]

I haven?t watched fluff to much but he doesn?t seem to have break away speed. I would see him being more of a poweback.
Yes. Which we need on the goal line big time.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Booth and Akharaiyi are going through the process of getting 2025.

Akharaiyi will probably be back if this goes through. I still would be very surprised to see Davon Booth back.

[bulldawg28]

Lebby has won me back 100% on board. However, we may not see the results until 2026. I've got a feeling he's going to surprise some people next year. Let's go Lebby!!!

[Pancho]

i feel it

[msu15]

Lebby has won me back 100% on board. However, we may not see the results until 2026. I've got a feeling he's going to surprise some people next year. Let's go Lebby!!!

If he got to 5-7 next year, even if he lost the Egg Bowl again, I would be happy.

[Tater]

Lebby has won me back 100% on board. However, we may not see the results until 2026. I've got a feeling he's going to surprise some people next year. Let's go Lebby!!!

I feel similar to how I felt after last offseason's portal haul. 6-6 is possible with the roster, but the point remains it feels like he just wasted a full year and has nothing to show for it. And he still has some glaring holes on defense we need to address.

4 wins or less and he should be shown the door. 4 wins tells me that we'd be going through the exact same thing again next year.

[msstate7]

With the new juco ruling, can booth come back if he chooses?

[bigbub50]

With the new juco ruling, can booth come back if he chooses?

Yes, ncaa has approved a year for all in that situation. But still gonna fight it in court for upcoming years is my understanding.

[msstate7]

Yes, ncaa has approved a year for all in that situation. But still gonna fight it in court for upcoming years is my understanding.

We should really be pushing to get him back then

[bigbub50]

Hearing rumblings that Kelly A would be interested but booth would take some persuading, why? I do not know.

[DEDawg]

Hearing rumblings that Kelly A would be interested but booth would take some persuading, why? I do not know.

He wants to play in the NFL. Shelf life of RBs is short. That being said he should come back and make more and get another year in college

[BigDawg81]

Hearing rumblings that Kelly A would be interested but booth would take some persuading, why? I do not know.
Booth would go anywhere between a 6th round pick to a UDFA. He will get a shot to get a roster spot regardless

[msstate7]

He wants to play in the NFL. Shelf life of RBs is short. That being said he should come back and make more and get another year in college

Maybe he should take another college pay day. There are a bunch of really good RBs that don't even get a shot in the nfl

[bulldawg28]

If we get Booth I'm putting us at 7 wins.

[KB21]

Bothwell has elite contact balance.

[KOdawg1]

A RB room of Bothwell/Booth/Daniels is a really good RB room. Gotta find a way to talk Booth into staying.

Kelly A coming back would also be huge.

Need to lock up a really good slot receiver.

[HoopsDawg]

If we get Booth I'm putting us at 7 wins.

Let's not do this yet.

[SPMT]

Let's not do this yet.

Yeah, I?d be happy with 4 wins next year.

[Cooterpoot]

Yeah, I?d be happy with 4 wins next year.

Why? That should be a given year 2. OOC alone should be 3 no doubt and maybe 4.

[SPMT]

Why? That should be a given year 2. OOC alone should be 3 no doubt and maybe 4.

I?m taking all factors into consideration. I have no idea how good of a coach he is, as the talent level was abysmal.

[CaptainObvious]

Yeah, I?d be happy with 4 wins next year.

👆👆👆👆been a State fan for at least 40 years. Used to losing regularly. Had a crush on his 4th grade teacher. Still uses the C7 colored Christmas lights.

[LC Dawg]

👆👆👆👆been a State fan for at least 40 years. Used to losing regularly. Had a crush on his 4th grade teacher. Still uses the C7 colored Christmas lights.

C7 lights rule!

[SPMT]

👆👆👆👆been a State fan for at least 40 years. Used to losing regularly. Had a crush on his 4th grade teacher. Still uses the C7 colored Christmas lights.

Pretty much missed the boat there, hoss.

[Todd4State]

I?m taking all factors into consideration. I have no idea how good of a coach he is, as the talent level was abysmal.

We should be able to win at least three of our OOC games. We should treat Arizona State like it's the Super Bowl. I think we would have beaten them in Starkville last year. I think USM will be a lot better and they'll be fired up with the game in Hattiesburg. We need to come out strong so we don't get into trouble there. Northern Illinois obviously beat Notre Dame. If we win our four OOC games then all we have to do is find two SEC wins. With the talent we have added I think we're going to start to trend up for the first time since 2022 and I think at least two of the SEC teams on our schedule will trend down just playing the odds in my head.

Without question we have more talent on defense. Actually I have more questions now about the offense than defense but not going to panic about it until at least the middle of January. If things go the way that is expected based on the experts my biggest concerns are becoming slot WR and OL.

[Offshore Dawg]

So, which two SEC teams will State be better than that are on the schedule. Can't go out and pick the two worst.

[Cooterpoot]

USM is still a train wreck with leftovers from Marshall, NIU loses just about everybody, Alcorn LOL, ASU will lose a lot and being in the playoffs slows their portal roll a bit. Then you're basically looking at AR, MO, & OM as opportunities.
Get the right players and winning 4-6 is possible. Still a ways to go though, and assuming Hutz isn't the idiot he appeared to be

[bulldawg28]

So, which two SEC teams will State be better than that are on the schedule. Can't go out and pick the two worst.

Mizzou will be whomever wants it more and Arky. Florida is still within the realm of being beaten.

[Bdawg]

So what’s the word today on our targets? When does the portal close and can they only sign during the portal window? Or is that just for visits? Thanks in advance and keep it coming. Ready to see us lock down some serious starters if we have to overpay like we been planning.

[SPMT]

We should be able to win at least three of our OOC games. We should treat Arizona State like it's the Super Bowl. I think we would have beaten them in Starkville last year. I think USM will be a lot better and they'll be fired up with the game in Hattiesburg. We need to come out strong so we don't get into trouble there. Northern Illinois obviously beat Notre Dame. If we win our four OOC games then all we have to do is find two SEC wins. With the talent we have added I think we're going to start to trend up for the first time since 2022 and I think at least two of the SEC teams on our schedule will trend down just playing the odds in my head.

Without question we have more talent on defense. Actually I have more questions now about the offense than defense but not going to panic about it until at least the middle of January. If things go the way that is expected based on the experts my biggest concerns are becoming slot WR and OL.

It seems possible to get 6.

[Goldendawg]

We should be able to win at least three of our OOC games. We should treat Arizona State like it's the Super Bowl. I think we would have beaten them in Starkville last year. I think USM will be a lot better and they'll be fired up with the game in Hattiesburg. We need to come out strong so we don't get into trouble there. Northern Illinois obviously beat Notre Dame. If we win our four OOC games then all we have to do is find two SEC wins. With the talent we have added I think we're going to start to trend up for the first time since 2022 and I think at least two of the SEC teams on our schedule will trend down just playing the odds in my head.

Without question we have more talent on defense. Actually I have more questions now about the offense than defense but not going to panic about it until at least the middle of January. If things go the way that is expected based on the experts my biggest concerns are becoming slot WR and OL.

Look closely at our DL on hand. Unless our holdovers get well and these new guys make big leaps, we are still in trouble.

[Goldendawg]

Yeah, I?d be happy with 4 wins next year.

We should never be happy with 4 wins with any staff!

[Goldendawg]

USM is still a train wreck with leftovers from Marshall, NIU loses just about everybody, Alcorn LOL, ASU will lose a lot and being in the playoffs slows their portal roll a bit. Then you're basically looking at AR, MO, & OM as opportunities.
Get the right players and winning 4-6 is possible. Still a ways to go though, and assuming Hutz isn't the idiot he appeared to be

This. We should always win out in OOC and pick off at least 2 of 8 in the SEC at a minimum or we are a failure on staff hiring, evaluation/recruiting of players, scheme/in game coaching...

[Cowbell]

I don't get the low expectations. If we are going to spend 12-13 million, bowling is a minimum. If 6 wins is the ceiling, we might as well not spend anything and just put that money to another sport.

[Brobi-wan]

I don't get the low expectations. If we are going to spend 12-13 million, bowling is a minimum. If 6 wins is the ceiling, we might as well not spend anything and just put that money to another sport.

Can’t do that. This sport keeps the lights on. The only other sport that matters is MBK and they appear to be set.

[Mjoelner34]

Can?t do that. This sport keeps the lights on. The only other sport that matters is MBK and they appear to be set.

The lights are kept on by tv money from that sport rather than by wins or ticket sales so NIL money spent on it is irrelevant.

[Cowbell]

The lights are kept on by tv money from that sport rather than by wins or ticket sales so NIL money spent on it is irrelevant.

Exactly. If it was based off wins, we would have been broke after the last two years

[Bdawg]

Look closely at our DL on hand. Unless our holdovers get well and these new guys make big leaps, we are still in trouble.

I mean at least we are picking off a few guys that come from big schools and were hopefully stuck behind good players. Even though some of these guys didn’t play, surely they are upgrades over what we had last year. If not, our staff sucks. I didn’t think we were going out there and bringing in a bunch of heavy hitters just because have money now. We just had a 2-10 season and Iust about everyone has more money than us anyway. We just need to improve the roster and our record next year to show recruits we are going in the right direction. Hutzler has to show some coaching ability and Lebby better show some more “showtime”!! Then, hopefully in ‘26 we can really attract some players and put a stout roster together. 2025, to me, is about showing some pretty good improvement to make us as attractive as possible heading into ‘26. But also to your point, I do hope our future additions to this years portal class can better than what we have now.

[Brobi-wan]

The lights are kept on by tv money from that sport rather than by wins or ticket sales so NIL money spent on it is irrelevant.

Why would you not try to maximize your ROI on something that actually ya know, returns on the investment. If you can’t, then fine. If we have to accept we just can’t compete then we will. A lot of people already are. But if OM can compete so can we. The difference is wanting to.

[CaptainObvious]

Why would you not try to maximize your ROI on something that actually ya know, returns on the investment. If you can’t, then fine. If we have to accept we just can’t compete then we will. A lot of people already are. But if OM can compete so can we. The difference is wanting to.

They have also shown the are willing to pay big money for a sitting head coach who had stints at Tennessee, USC and the NFL before taking the directional Florida school to new heights. And they are able to sign higher rated players while being in a small State with 3 D1 schools. Ho is it they can get those and State cannot? There is an answer. You know it. Most on here know it. Who is going to say the truth out loud!

[Cowbell]

Why would you not try to maximize your ROI on something that actually ya know, returns on the investment. If you can?t, then fine. If we have to accept we just can?t compete then we will. A lot of people already are. But if OM can compete so can we. The difference is wanting to.

If you want to talk ROI, 12 million for 6 wins total ain't much of an ROI.... would be a better use of funds to be used in baseball/basketball

I'm old enough to remember when $200K to Pastor Newton would have bought us a national championship***

[bigbub50]

Coastal Carolina DL down to us and Cincinnati. Monster DL from FCS just entered portal. One of the directional dekotas.

[bigbub50]

Fluff in the boat.

[MetEdDawg]

Hard to not be pleased with the effort of the staff so far.

I know we aren't done, but it's clear that we have had a plan for how to attack the portal and get some capable starting pieces and some depth at certain positions.

Lebby has really done well this portal cycle.

[DEDawg]

Are we on KC Concepcion? Maybe Hibbler cans get in his teammates ear for us

[civildawg]

If we could get a few more of these DL, my outlook on Lebby changes a little bit. I still think some of the defensive staff need to be replaced though

[bulldawg28]

If the QB play can be SEC caliber we're going bowling. We now have an SEC team and talent. Keep them coming Lebby, great job! If one of these safties are ball hawks it's game over!

[TrapGame]

If the QB play can be SEC caliber we're going bowling. We now have an SEC team and talent. Keep them coming Lebby, great job!

Yeah, I'm feeling a whole lot better about next season.

[Brobi-wan]

If you want to talk ROI, 12 million for 6 wins total ain't much of an ROI.... would be a better use of funds to be used in baseball/basketball

I'm old enough to remember when $200K to Pastor Newton would have bought us a national championship***

As opposed to the negative balance the other sports bring except MBK? Women’s BBall is more popular than baseball….and it’s not even close. Women’s March madness averaged almost 20 million viewers in 2024. Baseball CWS averaged just 1.6 million. According to the article linked below, our terrible football team averaged roughly 800k viewers. That’s half of what the BEST college baseball teams average.

So with that being said, a 6-6 team that grows the viewer base, and gets the average fan attendance back/builds some excitement, would be a worthy ROI IMO. We’re not going to be able to bring this back at once. It may not take 5 years, but it will likely take minimum of this year and next.

https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach/which-college-football-programs-were-most-watched-in-2024-6596e696ebaf

[Todd4State]

I don't get the low expectations. If we are going to spend 12-13 million, bowling is a minimum. If 6 wins is the ceiling, we might as well not spend anything and just put that money to another sport.

We went 2-10 last year. Did you think that we were going to raise 12-13 million and start raiding Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Ohio State for players by simply throwing money around?

6 wins is the goal for next year- not the overall standard for the program.

If you look at Ole Miss's model- because that is the one we are following as a program- they started out as basically a .500 team before taking steps to become a 10 win team. And before you say they went to the Gator Bowl- their wins were over Kentucky, Vanderbilt, a 2-8 South Carolina team, and a MSU team depleted by COVID and an Indiana team riddled with opt outs.

Hopefully once we start to win games and show stability the profile of the players we recruit will become bigger and we can hopefully have 9-10 win seasons.

[Pancho]

Who is next after Fluff?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Who is next after Fluff?

Raishein Thomas and Will Whitson.

[confucius say]

Late to the party, but what is the story on whitson? Looks like he would be a 6th year guy (old is good) who only played 4 games in 2024 (maybe to secure a redshirt?)

Is he a 3 technique or a traditional DE?

[Homedawg]

We went 2-10 last year. Did you think that we were going to raise 12-13 million and start raiding Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Ohio State for players by simply throwing money around?

6 wins is the goal for next year- not the overall standard for the program.

If you look at Ole Miss's model- because that is the one we are following as a program- they started out as basically a .500 team before taking steps to become a 10 win team. And before you say they went to the Gator Bowl- their wins were over Kentucky, Vanderbilt, a 2-8 South Carolina team, and a MSU team depleted by COVID and an Indiana team riddled with opt outs.

Hopefully once we start to win games and show stability the profile of the players we recruit will become bigger and we can hopefully have 9-10 win seasons.

Golf clap!! People that thought a lot of money would get studs were naive or just dumb. We need to improve as you said. Good post Todd!

[confucius say]

We went 2-10 last year. Did you think that we were going to raise 12-13 million and start raiding Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Ohio State for players by simply throwing money around?

6 wins is the goal for next year- not the overall standard for the program.

If you look at Ole Miss's model- because that is the one we are following as a program- they started out as basically a .500 team before taking steps to become a 10 win team. And before you say they went to the Gator Bowl- their wins were over Kentucky, Vanderbilt, a 2-8 South Carolina team, and a MSU team depleted by COVID and an Indiana team riddled with opt outs.

Hopefully once we start to win games and show stability the profile of the players we recruit will become bigger and we can hopefully have 9-10 win seasons.

One of your best posts in a while (not that others are bad).
A lot of our fanbase thinks it's like Amazon, get your money and point and click to get the player you want. It's a process, and you have to become competitive before you can become an attractive destination to big time guys.

[PGHBulldogBG]

If we can get to 6 wins next year with the schedule we have then Lebby did a great job. Next year is going to tell how good of a coach Lebby is. We still don’t have enough information to determine it yet considering we were the worst talented team by far in the SEC last year

[Offshore Dawg]

We went 2-10 last year. Did you think that we were going to raise 12-13 million and start raiding Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Ohio State for players by simply throwing money around?

6 wins is the goal for next year- not the overall standard for the program.

If you look at Ole Miss's model- because that is the one we are following as a program- they started out as basically a .500 team before taking steps to become a 10 win team. And before you say they went to the Gator Bowl- their wins were over Kentucky, Vanderbilt, a 2-8 South Carolina team, and a MSU team depleted by COVID and an Indiana team riddled with opt outs.

Hopefully once we start to win games and show stability the profile of the players we recruit will become bigger and we can hopefully have 9-10 win seasons.

Damn Dude, you are making too much sense for this board. well put.

[Cowbell]

We went 2-10 last year. Did you think that we were going to raise 12-13 million and start raiding Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Ohio State for players by simply throwing money around?

6 wins is the goal for next year- not the overall standard for the program.

If you look at Ole Miss's model- because that is the one we are following as a program- they started out as basically a .500 team before taking steps to become a 10 win team. And before you say they went to the Gator Bowl- their wins were over Kentucky, Vanderbilt, a 2-8 South Carolina team, and a MSU team depleted by COVID and an Indiana team riddled with opt outs.

Hopefully once we start to win games and show stability the profile of the players we recruit will become bigger and we can hopefully have 9-10 win seasons.

I'm not saying we should be title contenders, but the goal should not be 6 wins. Never should the goal be to get to .500.

And ole miss model ain't working. They won 9 games and their portal haul ain't no better than ours with 2 wins.

[DEDawg]

I'm not saying we should be title contenders, but the goal should not be 6 wins. Never should the goal be to get to .500.

And ole miss model ain't working. They won 9 games and their portal haul ain't no better than ours with 2 wins.

???? They have won 10 games two years in a row and regularly whoop our ass. Their model is working

[Bdawg]

We went 2-10 last year. Did you think that we were going to raise 12-13 million and start raiding Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Ohio State for players by simply throwing money around?

6 wins is the goal for next year- not the overall standard for the program.

If you look at Ole Miss's model- because that is the one we are following as a program- they started out as basically a .500 team before taking steps to become a 10 win team. And before you say they went to the Gator Bowl- their wins were over Kentucky, Vanderbilt, a 2-8 South Carolina team, and a MSU team depleted by COVID and an Indiana team riddled with opt outs.

Hopefully once we start to win games and show stability the profile of the players we recruit will become bigger and we can hopefully have 9-10 win seasons.

Pretty much what I said the page before. 2-10 and more money is not going to let you go get whoever you want. Improve the roster, get a better record. Then hopefully you become more attractive the next year. I also said our coaches better show they can coach this year too, especially on D.

[Coursesuper]

We went 2-10 last year. Did you think that we were going to raise 12-13 million and start raiding Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Ohio State for players by simply throwing money around?

6 wins is the goal for next year- not the overall standard for the program.

If you look at Ole Miss's model- because that is the one we are following as a program- they started out as basically a .500 team before taking steps to become a 10 win team. And before you say they went to the Gator Bowl- their wins were over Kentucky, Vanderbilt, a 2-8 South Carolina team, and a MSU team depleted by COVID and an Indiana team riddled with opt outs.

Hopefully once we start to win games and show stability the profile of the players we recruit will become bigger and we can hopefully have 9-10 win seasons.
Well stated Todd, nicely written. This a process for us. The Confederates were not nearly as talent deficient as we are to start the process either. 6-6 will be one hell of a job by this staff. I would be very happy to be in Birmingham after Christmas next year.

[Coursesuper]

I'm not saying we should be title contenders, but the goal should not be 6 wins. Never should the goal be to get to .500.

And ole miss model ain't working. They won 9 games and their portal haul ain't no better than ours with 2 wins.

See the forest for the trees. The model they are using is working exactly as they planned. They are a perennial 9 to 10 win football program that is garnering a nice chunk of national attention. They are attracting top flight talent and the university and town are prospering. I hope that we can get on that same track. If f not it?s not going to be pretty.

[Tripp McNeely]

See the forest for the trees. The model they are using is working exactly as they planned. They are a perennial 9 to 10 win football program that is garnering a nice chunk of national attention. They are attracting top flight talent and the university and town are prospering. I hope that we can get on that same track. If f not it?s not going to be pretty.

They aren't winning 9-10 games next year without a RB and with Simmons at QB

[DEDawg]

They aren't winning 9-10 games next year without a RB and with Simmons at QB

We said this same thing about Dart. And Corral before because he was such a bad character that nobody but Ole Miss would take. Rinse and repeat. And if they don?t win 9 they will win 7 or 8 and it will be considered a down year for them.

[bulldawg28]

We said this same thing about Dart. And Corral before because he was such a bad character that nobody but Ole Miss would take. Rinse and repeat. And if they don?t win 9 they will win 7 or 8 and it will be considered a down year for them.

Their schedule gives them almost 8 wins

[Coursesuper]

They aren't winning 9-10 games next year without a RB and with Simmons at QB
The Simmons kid can play and will be in his third year in the program. They will be a good team again next season.

[BankerDog]

We went 2-10 last year. Did you think that we were going to raise 12-13 million and start raiding Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Ohio State for players by simply throwing money around?

6 wins is the goal for next year- not the overall standard for the program.

If you look at Ole Miss's model- because that is the one we are following as a program- they started out as basically a .500 team before taking steps to become a 10 win team. And before you say they went to the Gator Bowl- their wins were over Kentucky, Vanderbilt, a 2-8 South Carolina team, and a MSU team depleted by COVID and an Indiana team riddled with opt outs.

Hopefully once we start to win games and show stability the profile of the players we recruit will become bigger and we can hopefully have 9-10 win seasons.

One of your better post, Todd. However, we can?t tell Cowbell anything-remember his three brothers/cousins played in the SEC so he knows all how it works!

[BigDawg81]

Moten to Southern Miss

[Brobi-wan]

Moten to Southern Miss

I have a hard time believing if we seriously wanted him, that we lost out to them.

[HoopsDawg]

Moten to Southern Miss

goodness, i was told he was a SEC starting corner. I've never seen him play so I don't know. I do know we need a starter at corner that can plan man to man.

[DEDawg]

Wow that is surprising. It is good to know that it seems the staff can evaluate at least, gotta imagine we passed on him. Arnett would have promised him the starting job

[DEDawg]

Booth and Akharaiyi are going through the process of getting 2025.

Any update on these 2?

[BigDawg81]

I have a hard time believing if we seriously wanted him, that we lost out to them. he wanted to play for Huff and so did the majority of the Marshall team.

[StarkVegasSteve]

he wanted to play for Huff and so did the majority of the Marshall team.

That was always going to be a tough hill to climb. We are still on Denver Harris, whenever he enters the portal. Probably pushing a bit harder now.

[Really Clark?]

I have a hard time believing if we seriously wanted him, that we lost out to them.

Wants to play for Huff. It sure wasn't money related.

[Cooterpoot]

That was always going to be a tough hill to climb. We are still on Denver Harris, whenever he enters the portal. Probably pushing a bit harder now.

Nah

[SPMT]

We went 2-10 last year. Did you think that we were going to raise 12-13 million and start raiding Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Ohio State for players by simply throwing money around?

6 wins is the goal for next year- not the overall standard for the program.

If you look at Ole Miss's model- because that is the one we are following as a program- they started out as basically a .500 team before taking steps to become a 10 win team. And before you say they went to the Gator Bowl- their wins were over Kentucky, Vanderbilt, a 2-8 South Carolina team, and a MSU team depleted by COVID and an Indiana team riddled with opt outs.

Hopefully once we start to win games and show stability the profile of the players we recruit will become bigger and we can hopefully have 9-10 win seasons.

Yes. Why is it so hard for some to get this. Yeah, aim high, but reality is reality.

[ZedFedder]

I went and looked at the stats for OM?s portal class vs ours. Some of their 4 star transfers have proven nothing. I?m not that guy usually, but it?s way overblown.

[confucius say]

Their schedule gives them almost 8 wins

Exactly. They will have the easiest or top 3 easiest schedules again next year.

[SPMT]

That was always going to be a tough hill to climb. We are still on Denver Harris, whenever he enters the portal. Probably pushing a bit harder now.

If we wanted him and paid double?..I don?t believe any coach in the NCAA could talk 95% of kids into not going to the high paying school. In the current environment, I would include the GOAT in that, except he may could keep a handful more.

[chef dixon]

If Moten doesn't want to play SEC ball I think that speaks for itself

[HoopsDawg]

Nah

Nah as in not going after Denver Harris?

Not sure we can compete with our current corners.

[DEDawg]

That was always going to be a tough hill to climb. We are still on Denver Harris, whenever he enters the portal. Probably pushing a bit harder now.

So did we really lose him to Southern or did the staff evaluate and decided to pass? I can?t imagine a player picking southern over any SEC school no matter who the coach is

[StarkVegasSteve]

So did we really lose him to Southern or did the staff evaluate and decided to pass? I can?t imagine a player picking southern over any SEC school no matter who the coach is

He wanted to play for Huff. Huff is just taking the Marshall team to Hattiesburg. He has told those Marshall guys that everything will be the same. Starters last year at Marshall will be starters next year at USM. We wanted him, but the Huff piece and keeping the status quo won out.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I went and looked at the stats for OM?s portal class vs ours. Some of their 4 star transfers have proven nothing. I?m not that guy usually, but it?s way overblown.

Correct. And you know why that is? Because these recruiting services do not want to admit that their ratings were just off on guys. There is also the Kiffin piece. These guys want to rate his classes high because he is “The Portal King”. He gives credence to their original rankings on these kids. If Jaray Bledsoe had committed to Ole Miss he would be a high 4 star and they would have kept his original HS ranking. Same thing with Malick Sylla. And if Dashawn Womack had committed here he would be a 3 star.

[DEDawg]

Looks like we got Darron Reed. Was a top 200 recruit from Auburn. DL that didn?t play this year

[Cooterpoot]

Nah as in not going after Denver Harris?

Not sure we can compete with our current corners.

On Harris, I would pass until I had no other option. Then I'd pass again.
We definitely are hurting at CB

[DEDawg]

On Harris, I would pass until I had no other option. Then I'd pass again.
We definitely are hurting at CB

What is his deal? Character?

[Cooterpoot]

What is his deal? Character?

Had some issues but he's not even starting at UTSA. I'm not sure why we'd be interested in that really.

[Cowbell]

Correct. And you know why that is? Because these recruiting services do not want to admit that their ratings were just off on guys. There is also the Kiffin piece. These guys want to rate his classes high because he is ?The Portal King?. He gives credence to their original rankings on these kids. If Jaray Bledsoe had committed to Ole Miss he would be a high 4 star and they would have kept his original HS ranking. Same thing with Malick Sylla. And if Dashawn Womack had committed here he would be a 3 star.

This is very accurate. They have a few alumnus in the right PR positions that help them a lot

[DEDawg]

Hope we have enough to write one more big check

https://x.com/hayesfawcett3/status/1872370560522690777?s=46&t=ID24LbHaAiOwVOmMGHXcTA

[chef dixon]

Fix the D line like we are trying to do and our corners are going to magically look a lot better

[StarkVegasSteve]

Fix the D line like we are trying to do and our corners are going to magically look a lot better

Very true. I know we still want another corner though.

[Cooterpoot]

Couple DL, WR or two, CB or two, OT if there is one somewhere somehow would be cool, and a hella Edge would be great! Numbers shrinking now so we'll see what we do

[bigbub50]

Hate we missed on the corner. Question about our current roster. Is it safe to assume Kelley Jones and Brumfield are likly our two best currently on roster? I’m know brumfield was hurt a lot. And Kelley jones was a starter in camp but kinda disappeared and we had to move our safety to corner. Did jones get hurt as well or lose his spot?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hate we missed on the corner. Question about our current roster. Is it safe to assume Kelley Jones and Brumfield are likly our two best currently on roster? I’m know brumfield was hurt a lot. And Kelley jones was a starter in camp but kinda disappeared and we had to move our safety to corner. Did jones get hurt as well or lose his spot?

Kelley started a corner the last few games. Actually probably had his best game in the Egg Bowl. We really left him and Pollock on islands and they performed really well.

[Cooterpoot]

We've added two more depth pieces today. Bout time to bring on the heavy hitters. Got a number of spots still to fill the next round. Line'm up and sign'm up!

[bulldawg28]

Montrell Chapman LB on board. The defense is stacked

[Pancho]

what is the word on chapman?

[bulldawg28]

what is the word on chapman?

He signed with us

[Pancho]

Did he rack up good numbers at MGCCC?

[bulldawg28]

Did he rack up good numbers at MGCCC?

#4 LB in the country.

[Really Clark?]

#4 LB in the country.

The LB room is in much much better shape today than when the season ended

[bulldawg28]

The LB room is in much much better shape today than when the season ended

The entire defense is better with talent. All 3 areas improved

[Todd4State]

Rosebowl hinting at good news on Saturday. Educated guess that it's about Cam Young?

[KB21]

Rosebowl hinting at good news on Saturday. Educated guess that it's about Cam Young?

Will Whitson and Raishien Thomas likely.

[Todd4State]

Will Whitson and Raishien Thomas likely.

Ah. I was thinking about potential visitors for the weekend.

[KB21]

Ah. I was thinking about potential visitors for the weekend.

I hope we can close on Mi'Quise Grace as well.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I hope we can close on Mi'Quise Grace as well.

He's cancelled his visit to Ohio St. It sounds like we have the inside track. He'd be a huge EDGE piece to get. Still a little worried about d tackle though. Just getting Darron Reed and Jaray Bledsoe probably won't cut it. We need some war daddies who have done it.

[Bdawg]

Could we get some names of who are top portal targets are right now? So hard to keep up with who our #1s by position may be. I guess it’s a pretty fluid situation though

[Cooterpoot]

Grace and Whitson make us better

[msu15]

Rosebowl hinting at good news on Saturday. Educated guess that it's about Cam Young?

Who is that?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Who is that?

I think he meant Cam Vaughn, the WR from JSU. It's not him though. It's Whitson and Thomas. I would expect we hear from at least one of them by the end of the day today.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Could we get some names of who are top portal targets are right now? So hard to keep up with who our #1s by position may be. I guess it’s a pretty fluid situation though

It's extremely fluid. I think Will Whitson from Coastal Carolina is our number one DL target at the moment followed by Rashein(sp?) Thomas. I think we're in a bit of a wait and see mode at CB right now as well as WR.

[bigbub50]

The way things are looking currently with talent with comparison to last years squad to this years. Still plenty of time for this to change obviously.

Qb- push
Rb- increase
OL- increase (with younger pups growing up and 3 starters back)
Wr- decrease

DL- increase (nearly impossible to decrease, with whitson and Dakota player greatly increase)
Edge- great increase
LB- great increase
Safety- increase
Corner- push or decrease

[bigbub50]

Another consideration about stonka. I know the rumors are he would be open to safety, but if we don’t feel well about our talent and/or numbers at wr, the team may need him to stay at wr.

[bulldawg28]

He's cancelled his visit to Ohio St. It sounds like we have the inside track. He'd be a huge EDGE piece to get. Still a little worried about d tackle though. Just getting Darron Reed and Jaray Bledsoe probably won't cut it. We need some war daddies who have done it.

We signed high school kids and the juco guy not to mention guys from last year.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Another consideration about stonka. I know the rumors are he would be open to safety, but if we don’t feel well about our talent and/or numbers at wr, the team may need him to stay at wr.

No he needs to move. It will serve the team and him to move to Safety. He's never going to be an impact receiver at this level. He can be an impact safety though.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We signed high school kids and the juco guy not to mention guys from last year.

None of our HS or JUCO guys are ready to START. They are depth pieces. And out of the guys from last year, who could start? I am being serious. I do not see a starter in that group.

[bulldawg28]

Another consideration about stonka. I know the rumors are he would be open to safety, but if we don’t feel well about our talent and/or numbers at wr, the team may need him to stay at wr.

At the moment I agree. The WR is thin

[bulldawg28]

None of our HS or JUCO guys are ready to START. They are depth pieces. And out of the guys from last year, who could start? I am being serious. I do not see a starter in that group.

You won't know that until practice starts.

[bigbub50]

None of our HS or JUCO guys are ready to START. They are depth pieces. And out of the guys from last year, who could start? I am being serious. I do not see a starter in that group.

I could blur my eyes and see McClendon making a huge jump with the right attitude, work ethic, and nutrition. He still probably needs another year. He was thrown into the fire, so he got some experience. Honestly, he looked a tad over weight and needs to get his body right.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You won't know that until practice starts.

I feel pretty confident in it. I mean MAYBE Kai McClendon and Kalvin Dinkins can take that next step but Hibbler still needs a year, Corey Clark will always just be a depth piece, Gabe Moore transferred, Deonte is probably more of an EDGE guy, Ashun Shepphard is a higher end depth piece but still a depth piece, Kpaka is gone, DeMonte is gone, Trevion can't stay healthy, and Bingley-Jones is a depth piece. That's our DL room.

And when I say depth piece I don't mean that as a bad thing. Grant Harris was a depth piece for us in 17 and 18 and was great. Same with Corey Thomas. You need those guys, but they are not starters. We didn't have a DL guy that would start for another SEC program last year, and maybe only a couple that could start for ANY P4 program.

[FlytheW3]

I think he meant Cam Vaughn, the WR from JSU. It's not him though. It's Whitson and Thomas. I would expect we hear from at least one of them by the end of the day today.


How are we feeling about Cam Vaughn? I believe I saw that he's scheduled for a visit soon.

[bulldawg28]

I feel pretty confident in it. I mean MAYBE Kai McClendon and Kalvin Dinkins can take that next step but Hibbler still needs a year, Corey Clark will always just be a depth piece, Gabe Moore transferred, Deonte is probably more of an EDGE guy, Ashun Shepphard is a higher end depth piece but still a depth piece, Kpaka is gone, DeMonte is gone, Trevion can't stay healthy, and Bingley-Jones is a depth piece. That's our DL room.

And when I say depth piece I don't mean that as a bad thing. Grant Harris was a depth piece for us in 17 and 18 and was great. Same with Corey Thomas. You need those guys, but they are not starters. We didn't have a DL guy that would start for another SEC program last year, and maybe only a couple that could start for ANY P4 program.

IF ALL the guys coming back and signed are back ups the transfers are expected to be starters. Football doesn't work that way. Guys will improve year to year. Again, everyone isn't Chris Jones. However, I'm confident returning guys are SEC talents.

[Really Clark?]

How are we feeling about Cam Vaughn? I believe I saw that he's scheduled for a visit soon.

He pushed his visit till Jan to give himself more time to go through the process.

[StarkVegasSteve]

IF ALL the guys coming back and signed are back ups the transfers are expected to be starters. Football doesn't work that way. Guys will improve year to year. Again, everyone isn't Chris Jones. However, I'm confident returning guys are SEC talents.

I'm glad you are, because I'm not. If we have SEC talent, it sure didn't show this year. I mean there's a reason we're bringing in so many guys, it's because we don't think we have talent or depth at that position. Like I said, we have some depth pieces but no high end starters. Could Kalvin Dinkins be that? Absolutely. Could Trevion Williams be that? Absolutely. The problem is that we're hoping and not knowing. Hope gets you beat in the SEC. You need production, especially this day and age.

That's why I'm really excited about a guy like Will Whitson. He's shown he can do it and stay healthy doing it, yes he got banged up last year but could've come back. He shut it down so he could enter the portal. We don't know if Dinkins can do it and Trevion hasn't been healthy long enough to see. If those guys could get and stay healthy, then we have something.

[msu15]

IF ALL the guys coming back and signed are back ups the transfers are expected to be starters. Football doesn't work that way. Guys will improve year to year. Again, everyone isn't Chris Jones. However, I'm confident returning guys are SEC talents.

Did you watch the same defensive line group last year that I watched?

[bulldawg28]

I'm glad you are, because I'm not. If we have SEC talent, it sure didn't show this year. I mean there's a reason we're bringing in so many guys, it's because we don't think we have talent or depth at that position. Like I said, we have some depth pieces but no high end starters. Could Kalvin Dinkins be that? Absolutely. Could Trevion Williams be that? Absolutely. The problem is that we're hoping and not knowing. Hope gets you beat in the SEC. You need production, especially this day and age.

That's why I'm really excited about a guy like Will Whitson. He's shown he can do it and stay healthy doing it, yes he got banged up last year but could've come back. He shut it down so he could enter the portal. We don't know if Dinkins can do it and Trevion hasn't been healthy long enough to see. If those guys could get and stay healthy, then we have something.

Dinkins & Williams along with the transfer guys is 2 to 3 deep and SEC talent.

[bulldawg28]

Did you watch the same defensive line group last year that I watched?

The DL was average. The LB play was poor along with the secondary. There's not much a DL can do when you're playing majority 3 down lineman vs 5 or 6 OL each play.

[HancockCountyDog]

Dinkins & Williams along with the transfer guys is 2 to 3 deep and SEC talent.

I want to agree with you, but even if healthy Dinkins and Williams are average SEC guys. I really like the Whitson kid, he is a clear upgrade.

[bulldawg28]

I want to agree with you, but even if healthy Dinkins and Williams are average SEC guys. I really like the Whitson kid, he is a clear upgrade.

That's all you need if they're backups.

[msu15]

The DL was average.

As someone that played in the trenches I disagree pretty strongly. To each their own.

[StarkVegasSteve]

As someone that played in the trenches I disagree pretty strongly. To each their own.

I agree with you. Our DL was BAD. No way around it.

[DEDawg]

I agree with you. Our DL was BAD. No way around it.

Bad is generous. I know injuries, but the Arkansas game was the worst DL I think I've ever watched in CFB... not just MSU games. Non existent that game.

[HancockCountyDog]

A nice corner prospect just hit the portal - Michael Coats, an ALL MWC performer from Nevada. He would be a perfect fit.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Bad is generous. I know injuries, but the Arkansas game was the worst DL I think I've ever watched in CFB... not just MSU games. Non existent that game.

It was non existent most games. But we were in a Catch 22. We couldn't get home if we sent 3 or 4, but would have receivers running open if we blitzed. I thought the Egg Bowl we did a great job of disguising coverage until the snap.

[DEDawg]

A nice corner prospect just hit the portal - Michael Coats, an ALL MWC performer from Nevada. He would be a perfect fit.

Open the checkbook. I want him, the DE from Clemson, the DT from Coastal then whatever Lebby ends up doing at WR

[StarkVegasSteve]

Open the checkbook. I want him, the DE from Clemson, the DT from Coastal then whatever Lebby ends up doing at WR

We're not getting the DE from Clemson. I doubt we even are able to get in the game with him. We will get the DT from Coastal and Lebby still has plenty of time at WR.

[DEDawg]

We're not getting the DE from Clemson. I doubt we even are able to get in the game with him. We will get the DT from Coastal and Lebby still has plenty of time at WR.

I figured as much, but I'm still in Christmas miracle mode

[Really Clark?]

Open the checkbook. I want him, the DE from Clemson, the DT from Coastal then whatever Lebby ends up doing at WR

You just need to put the DE from Clemson out of your mind. He's not coming

[bulldawg28]

As someone that played in the trenches I disagree pretty strongly. To each their own.

As someone who played in the SEC with elite talent and SEC talent I stand on my foundation.

[bulldawg28]

As someone that played in the trenches I disagree pretty strongly. To each their own.

Name the DL that played with Chris Jones. Name the DL with Simmons. Were they SEC talent? At MSU there's typically one elite guy surrounded with SEC talent. The elite teams have elite depth. However, we've found our formula for success.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Name the DL that played with Chris Jones. Name the DL with Simmons. Were they SEC talent? At MSU there's one elite with SEC talent surrounding him. The elite teams have elite depth. However, we've found our formula for success.

Jones: Nelson Adams, Ryan Brown, Jonathan Calvin, Torrey Dale, Braxton Hoyett, Nick James, AJ Jefferson

Simmons: Corey Thomas, Gerri Green, Grant Harris, Fletcher Adams, Montez Sweat, Marquiss Spencer


Those were some DUDES. They were SEC guys. Most were depth guys, but SEC depth guys. We don't have any guys like that. We have G5 depth guys. We'd kill for a Braxton Hoyett or a Fletcher Adams or a Grant Harris or even a Ryan Brown on this team.

[bulldawg28]

Jones: Nelson Adams, Ryan Brown, Jonathan Calvin, Torrey Dale, Braxton Hoyett, Nick James, AJ Jefferson

Simmons: Corey Thomas, Gerri Green, Grant Harris, Fletcher Adams, Montez Sweat, Marquiss Spencer


Those were some DUDES. They were SEC guys. Most were depth guys, but SEC depth guys. We don't have any guys like that. We have G5 depth guys. We'd kill for a Braxton Hoyett or a Fletcher Adams or a Grant Harris or even a Ryan Brown on this team.

One or two were dudes. The rest were SEC talented guys if they were dudes they would have been NFL guys. Simmons and Sweat were dudes. Jones played with SEC talent. The transfer guys signed are proven or guys with high ceilings. It's up to the coaching to bring it out.

If the current coaches can't sign or bring out talent Mullen will upon his return.

[StarkVegasSteve]

One or two were dudes. The rest were SEC talented guys if they were dudes they would have been NFL guys. Simmons and Sweat were dudes. Jones played with SEC talent. The transfer guys signed are proven or guys with high ceilings. It's up to the coaching to bring it out.

If the current coaches can't sign or bring out talent Mullen will upon his return.

Dan isn't coming back. I can say that with pretty much 100% confidence. There were talks last year and he had no interest. He only took the UNLV job because Bishop Gorman is such a good HS that his son will get recognition and the AAU circuit is huge in Vegas now.

There's also the Zach Arnett piece to it. We will never let him back in our building again.

[BankerDog]

Jones: Nelson Adams, Ryan Brown, Jonathan Calvin, Torrey Dale, Braxton Hoyett, Nick James, AJ Jefferson

Simmons: Corey Thomas, Gerri Green, Grant Harris, Fletcher Adams, Montez Sweat, Marquiss Spencer


Those were some DUDES. They were SEC guys. Most were depth guys, but SEC depth guys. We don't have any guys like that. We have G5 depth guys. We'd kill for a Braxton Hoyett or a Fletcher Adams or a Grant Harris or even a Ryan Brown on this team.

-Brown played in the NFL for two seasons or so,Calvin played in the NFL for three seasons, Hoyett as well. AJ made it to final cuts with Rams.

-Corey played for two seasons in NFL, Gerri at least four seasons,Sweat well obviously, and Spencer spent at least two years in NFL.

So our DL weren?t just some chumps, they were NFL level talent. And people say Mullen couldn?t recruit ha.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Kelly Ahkaraiyi declared for the draft today. We're in the market for 2 WRs again.

[Really Clark?]

-Brown played in the NFL for two seasons or so,Calvin played in the NFL for three seasons, Hoyett as well. AJ made it to final cuts with Rams.

-Corey played for two seasons in NFL, Gerri at least four seasons,Sweat well obviously, and Spencer spent at least two years in NFL.

So our DL weren?t just some chumps, they were NFL level talent. And people say Mullen couldn?t recruit ha.

Honestly, the only place Mullen really struggled over the long run was recruiting highly rated WR's. It never showed in the ratings but he recruited higher than the services gave him credit for and that became the de facto message board fodder, Mullen couldn't recruit. He wasn't the best recruiter but he was a damn good talent projector.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Honestly, the only place Mullen really struggled over the long run was recruiting highly rated WR's. It never showed in the ratings but he recruited higher than the services gave him credit for and that became the de facto message board fodder, Mullen couldn't recruit. He wasn't the best recruiter but he was a damn good talent projector.

Mullen knew what he wanted. He didn't like chasing stars, especially after the Newton fiasco and the Quay Evans saga. He figured out he could develop and once every 3-4 years really compete. He knew his scheming and coaching would win 6-8 games every year.

[Irondawg]

Kelly Ahkaraiyi declared for the draft today. We're in the market for 2 WRs again.

I guess some guys are just ready to take their shot even if the odds are against them.

[HancockCountyDog]

Mullen knew what he wanted. He didn't like chasing stars, especially after the Newton fiasco and the Quay Evans saga. He figured out he could develop and once every 3-4 years really compete. He knew his scheming and coaching would win 6-8 games every year.

If you go back and look at the schedule, he got Kentucky every year and for some reason I think we played Vandy 2-3 times with him. Throw in the fact that the bears were a trainwreck, and his floor most seasons was 6 wins.

That said, I'd drive to Vegas today and drive him back here if he was willing.

[Really Clark?]

I guess some guys are just ready to take their shot even if the odds are against them.

He wouldn't have been eligible for another year even under the new JUCO ruling.

[bulldawg28]

Mullen knew what he wanted. He didn't like chasing stars, especially after the Newton fiasco and the Quay Evans saga. He figured out he could develop and once every 3-4 years really compete. He knew his scheming and coaching would win 6-8 games every year.

Sir, stop it. Every coach like stars and recruits them, Mullen included. The big difference is Mullen didn't solely rely on stars. He was/is a rarity which is a true developer program.

[bulldawg28]

Dan isn't coming back. I can say that with pretty much 100% confidence. There were talks last year and he had no interest. He only took the UNLV job because Bishop Gorman is such a good HS that his son will get recognition and the AAU circuit is huge in Vegas now.

There's also the Zach Arnett piece to it. We will never let him back in our building again.

His son isn't getting recognition unless he can play. And unless he pulls height from a great great grandfather being a 5'8 guard wouldn't get hiim far.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Sir, stop it. Every coach like stars and recruits them, Mullen included. The big difference is Mullen didn't solely rely on stars. He was/is a rarity which is a true developer program.

Mullen didn't really recruit them tbh. I mean I can count the high 4 and 5 stars we were on under Mullen on two hands. And that's not a knock on Dan. He knew what he needed. Whether that guy had 2 stars by his name or 5. I mean I can tell you with unequivocal confidence that Bernardrick McKinney(2 star out of Rosa Fort) was a better college player and pro than Robert Nkemdiche(5 star and number 1 player in the country). Dan didn't need guys like that, he'd take them if he evaluated them and liked them, see Mackensie Alexander who we had until Signing Day. Mullen was an evaluation master, along with Hevesy. He could potential where no one was else was even looking, see Elgton or Darius Slay or Braxton Hoyett.

[StarkVegasSteve]

His son isn't getting recognition unless he can play. And unless he pulls height from a great great grandfather being a 5'8 guard wouldn't get hiim far.

He's already 6'2 or 6'3. He got his height from Meghan.

[bulldawg28]

He's already 6'2 or 6'3. He got his height from Meghan.

Nice

[Tripp McNeely]

His son isn't getting recognition unless he can play. And unless he pulls height from a great great grandfather being a 5'8 guard wouldn't get hiim far.

I thought his kid was a golfer?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I thought his kid was a golfer?

Then he grew. Cannon is actually a pretty good basketball player. Probably not P4, but he's got some talent. Plays for the Atlanta Celtics.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Very interesting to see John Lewis still hasn't found a home. I figured he would've just committed to USM by now. I mean I don't think he's a LBer at the SEC level, but I think he could be a pretty good G5 LB. Then again, could be a situation where he and his representation are overvaluing him.

[msu15]

Denver Harris in the portal

[Really Clark?]

Denver Harris in the portal

If his crap is together, may be the best in the portal on pure talent. But he has self sabotaged twice now. Good reports from UTSA though this past year. Even worked through a lot of little injuries this season.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If his crap is together, may be the best in the portal on pure talent. But he has self sabotaged twice now. Good reports from UTSA though this past year. Even worked through a lot of little injuries this season.

We'll be a player for him. I'd expect us to take him and either Coats from Nevada or Stephen Hall from WSU. Kind of an either/or situation there. Still a bit early to tell who we have a better shot at. If I had to guess now, it'd be Hall.

[KOdawg1]

Denver Harris in the portal

No thanks.

[StarkVegasSteve]

No thanks.

Well we're probably taking him. I'll just go ahead and prepare you for that one. Also, I can guarantee you he's better than Khaumari Rodgers, Raydar, or Montre Miller and we had all those guys on the roster this year. He AT WORST can be a depth piece for you and fight for the 3rd corner position with Elijah Cannon, Jayven Williams, and Kyle Johnson. If he's healthy and ready to compete I would imagine he could win that job and push Kelley Jones.

[KOdawg1]

Well we're probably taking him. I'll just go ahead and prepare you for that one.

I know. And it's a stupid decision. Plenty of younger and more talented CBs with production and MS ties that are available and we're taking a guy with baggage that hasn't done anything for 3 different schools in 3 years.

Corey Bell has moved past David Turner in level of incompetence.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I know. And it's a stupid decision. Plenty of younger and more talented CBs with production and MS ties that are available and we're taking a guy with baggage that hasn't done anything for 3 different schools in 3 years.

Corey Bell has moved past David Turner in level of incompetence.

Well those corners have to be interested first. That's generally a pretty important part of this process. We also are on two corners that have MS ties in Hall and Coats. Heck maybe we take both. I doubt it, but we could. Also, he apparently did enough that UTSA coaches were trying like hell to keep him.

[KOdawg1]

delete

[StarkVegasSteve]

Also just so we can compare, let's take a look at two guys we JUST HAD TO HAVE and compare them to Harris.

Khamauri Rogers- 1 tackle in 3 years, zero tackles in two years on the State roster. No PDs ever

Raydarius Jones- 11 tackles in 4 years, with 9 coming in 21 at LSU. Two tackles this year. 1 PD in 4 years.

Denver Harris- 37 tackles in 3 years. 14 at A&M, 7 at LSU, 16 at UTSA. 8 PDs in 3 years.


Harris is markedly better than those two and he's markedly better than all but two of our current DBs. He can play and compete here. This is a guy you take a chance on. LSU and A&M saw enough to take a chance, and he produced for them.

[Really Clark?]

No thanks.

We were 2-10 but his talent can't help us??? Look I get the baggage but he has been solid guy at UTSA. They absolutely did not want him to enter the transfer portal.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Squirrel White just entered the portal. Remember what I said about those receivers still in the playoffs........


Also, his damn name is Squirrel. He was meant to play at Mississippi State. I can tell you though, Kiffin will try to get him solely because of the squirrel that ran on the field this year, my bad they released on the field.

[msu15]

Plenty of younger and more talented CBs with production and MS ties



This mindset is why the last two years have happened

[StarkVegasSteve]

This mindset is why the last two years have happened

Yea that's how we ended up Khamauri Rogers, Raydar, and Montre Miller.

[KOdawg1]

We were 2-10 but his talent can't help us??? Look I get the baggage but he has been solid guy at UTSA. They absolutely did not want him to enter the transfer portal.

What talent? He was a 5 star out of HS, but can't consistently start in 3 years? He's not good and he's a head case. There's videos of him speeding in parking garages pretty recklessly.

We need someone to replace Brice Pollock, and this guy doesn't do that. I don't buy the "depth" argument either because he only has one year of eligibility left. Amarion Fortenberry is a freshman from South Alabama in the portal that has more production and better PFF grades in one year to Harris's 3. And we aren't pushing for him. From Columbia, MS.

We need one of Coats/Hall (would prefer both) and then a depth guy like Fortenberry.

Harris is a dumb take.

[KOdawg1]

This mindset is why the last two years have happened

No the last two years happened because we hired a horrible HC in Zack Arnett.

[StarkVegasSteve]

What talent? He was a 5 star out of HS, but can't consistently start in 3 years? He's not good and he's a head case. There's videos of him speeding in parking garages pretty recklessly.

We need someone to replace Brice Pollock, and this guy doesn't do that. I don't buy the "depth" argument either because he only has one year of eligibility left. Amarion Fortenberry is a freshman from South Alabama in the portal that has more production and better PFF grades in one year to Harris's 3. And we aren't pushing for him. From Columbia, MS.

We need one of Coats/Hall (would prefer both) and then a depth guy like Fortenberry.

Harris is a dumb take.

I mean we're not gonna defend our Fulmer Cup title with Luke Kromenhoek***

[Coursesuper]

No the last two years happened because we hired a horrible HC in Zack Arnett.

Way way deeper than that. This is why we are where we are, short sighted decisions and just not paying attention over and over and over again.

[KOdawg1]

Way way deeper than that. This is why we are where we are, short sighted decisions and just not paying attention over and over and over again.

Well of course it's deeper than that, but a horrible hire after Leach's passing is the root of it.

Taking 3 guys in the portal with MS ties isn't the reason we're where we're at, which was the post I was responding to.

[BankerDog]

No the last two years happened because we hired a horrible HC in Zack Arnett.

Who did exactly what you just said to do-take someone because they?re from Mississippi. RayDar Jones, Rogers, and Chris Keys.

[BankerDog]

I mean we're not gonna defend our Fulmer Cup title with Luke Kromenhoek***

I?m sure we could go find a defensive back from the private school ranks in Mississippi who is good solid family man to play for us.

[Really Clark?]

What talent? He was a 5 star out of HS, but can't consistently start in 3 years? He's not good and he's a head case. There's videos of him speeding in parking garages pretty recklessly.

We need someone to replace Brice Pollock, and this guy doesn't do that. I don't buy the "depth" argument either because he only has one year of eligibility left. Amarion Fortenberry is a freshman from South Alabama in the portal that has more production and better PFF grades in one year to Harris's 3. And we aren't pushing for him. From Columbia, MS.

We need one of Coats/Hall (would prefer both) and then a depth guy like Fortenberry.

Harris is a dumb take.

Goodness, it wasn't lack of talent that kept him off the field at TAM and LSU. It was him being a knucklehead. He was the day 1 starter at UTSA and was injured the first game. My take is dumb? You are clueless about talent. If he is right and not doing stupid stuff he is more talented than Pollock. Not even close.

We are not taking more than 2 guys, 1 likely. I'm fine with Coats or Hall too. But I don't let his baggage cloud his talent either.

[KOdawg1]

Who did exactly what you just said to do-take someone because they?re from Mississippi. RayDar Jones, Rogers, and Chris Keys.

I not once said we should take someone because they're from Mississippi. But many times when a kid enters the portal, it's to move closer to home and proximity to home is why they're interested. That's just one factor. But I never said we should just take Mississippi players.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I?m sure we could go find a defensive back from the private school ranks in Mississippi who is good solid family man to play for us.

I bet John Wesley Thompson VII down at Oak Hill Academy would make a fine young CB for us!!! He runs a BLAZING 5.3 40 and benches 120 but his granddad goes to church with someone and he says he loves Mississippi State!!!

[KOdawg1]

Goodness, it wasn't lack of talent that kept him off the field at TAM and LSU. It was him being a knucklehead. He was the day 1 starter at UTSA and was injured the first game. My take is dumb, if he is right and not doing stupid stuff he is more talented than Pollock. Not even close.

We are not taking more than 2 guys, 1 likely. I'm fine with Coats or Hall too. But I don't let his baggage cloud his talent either.

We'll just agree to disagree.

[KOdawg1]

I?m sure we could go find a defensive back from the private school ranks in Mississippi who is good solid family man to play for us.

Yeah, no one said that either, but go off

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yeah, no one said that either, but go off

It's a joke between Bank and I. If you haven't heard someone say we need to take some 5'7 unathletic white kid who plays in private school because he loves State then you haven't been a state fan long enough. And this was pre NIL. Hell we had a sect of fans last year telling us Jake Weir was going to beat out Shapen.

[Really Clark?]

We'll just agree to disagree.

Fair enough

[Coursesuper]

Well of course it's deeper than that, but a horrible hire after Leach's passing is the root of it.

Taking 3 guys in the portal with MS ties isn't the reason we're where we're at, which was the post I was responding to.

What! Some of you people need to see things god what they are. This disaster didn?t happen in two years this is 3 coaches and 1.5 dumbass AD?s and a boat load of idiotic boosters in the making. Your argument about not taking a kid that might can play is laughable. If you can?t tell what is going on this is open tryouts when you get here, you cut it or yo ass is gone. We have no choice we are that far behind due to our own dumbassery.

[StarkVegasSteve]

What! Some of you people need to see things god what they are. This disaster didn?t happen in two years this is 3 coaches and 1.5 dumbass AD?s and a boat load of idiotic boosters in the making. Your argument about not taking a kid that might can play is laughable. If you can?t tell what is going on this is open tryouts when you get here, you cut it or yo ass is gone. We have no choice we are that far behind due to our own dumbassery.

BINGO. We will have multiple players "transfer" after spring ball. But it will be because they were cut.

[KOdawg1]

What! Some of you people need to see things god what they are. This disaster didn?t happen in two years this is 3 coaches and 1.5 dumbass AD?s and a boat load of idiotic boosters in the making. Your argument about not taking a kid that might can play is laughable. If you can?t tell what is going on this is open tryouts when you get here, you cut it or yo ass is gone. We have no choice we are that far behind due to our own dumbassery.

You've completely misunderstood what I was saying, but I'm tired of arguing with the 4 people left on this message board, so I'll just say okay and move on. Jesus.

[bulldawg28]

Squirrel White just entered the portal. Remember what I said about those receivers still in the playoffs........


Also, his damn name is Squirrel. He was meant to play at Mississippi State. I can tell you though, Kiffin will try to get him solely because of the squirrel that ran on the field this year, my bad they released on the field.

Where's he entering the portal from?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm just gonna circle back to Squirrel White, I would not be surprised if we were a player there.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Where's he entering the portal from?

Tennessee. He wants to be closer to home, which is Clay-Chalkville. I imagine in a perfect world he'd go to Auburn or Bama, but I don't believe either of those rooms would take him at the moment. He'd be the Coleman replacement everyone is clamoring for here. He's a player and even at his height can play outside. Our offer is gonna be good.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Commit incoming. Would be blown away if it's not Raishein Thomas from Northern Illinois.


Update: It was him.

[Really Clark?]

Commit incoming. Would be blown away if it's not Raishein Thomas from Northern Illinois.


Update: It was him.

Like him!! He's coming to work too!

[bulldawg28]

Commit incoming. Would be blown away if it's not Raishein Thomas from Northern Illinois.


Update: It was him.

Still don't believe we have a legitimate DL?

[KOdawg1]

Thomas is a good get. He and Red Hibbler at DE is a good combo.

I'd like to see us move to a 4 man front next year.

DE- Raishein Thomas... Red Hibbler... Deonte Anderson... Terrance Hibbler
DT- Will Whitson (hopefully)... Trevion Williams... Kendrick Bingley-Jones... Jaray Bledsoe
DT/NG- Kalvin Dinkins... Kai McClendon... Derron Reed... (Need another starting level portal player)
DE/Edge- Mi'Quise Grace (Hopefully)... Malick Sylla... Donterry Russell... Lakendrick James... Nevaeh Sanders

[StarkVegasSteve]

Still don't believe we have a legitimate DL?

I never said we were not getting legit DL. Actually quite the opposite. I said we were having to bring in so many because our DL was crap last year.

We have gotten tons better at EDGE. Still worried about DT though.

[Cooterpoot]

Well of course it's deeper than that, but a horrible hire after Leach's passing is the root of it.

Taking 3 guys in the portal with MS ties isn't the reason we're where we're at, which was the post I was responding to.

No, many were the root of it. Leach and His ridiculous approach to recruiting killed us, along with Cohen's approach to NIL. Throw in Arnett, it's it's been a problem for years with many irons in that dumpster fire.

[bigbub50]

Neck beard said we were aiming at 15ish out of the portal. We are now at 17? How many do we end up with?

[Cooterpoot]

Still don't believe we have a legitimate DL?

We still have one of the worst DL in the SEC regardless of who we sign at this point. But it's better than we had last year by a mile. It's enough to help out the guys behind it anyway.

[KOdawg1]

No, many were the root of it. Leach and His ridiculous approach to recruiting killed us, along with Cohen's approach to NIL. Throw in Arnett, it's it's been a problem for years with many irons in that dumpster fire.

Y'all are still missing the main point of what I'm saying, but whatever.

[KOdawg1]

Neck beard said we were aiming at 15ish out of the portal. We are now at 17? How many do we end up with?

22ish

[bulldawg28]

We still have one of the worst DL in the SEC regardless of who we sign at this point. But it's better than we had last year by a mile. It's enough to help out the guys behind it anyway.

Stop it

[BeardoMSU]

You've completely misunderstood what I was saying, but I'm tired of arguing with the 4 people left on this message board, so I'll just say okay and move on. Jesus.

I'll jump in if you feel like fightin' someone new, KO****

[Goldendawg]

I have been reading this thread with great interest since post #1. It seems like about 90% of the analysis of everyone we have signed or hope to sign is that "or he will at least be a depth piece". Are we getting anyone that we think can be a day one starter or dare say a difference maker in the SEC? I have as little hope in our situation than I have had since predicting Tech and Ten. I don't want maroon colored glasses, but we need more talent than a depth piece or a big guy to practice against on the Scout Team.

[KB21]

Thomas is a good get. He and Red Hibbler at DE is a good combo.

I'd like to see us move to a 4 man front next year.

DE- Raishein Thomas... Red Hibbler... Deonte Anderson... Terrance Hibbler
DT- Will Whitson (hopefully)... Trevion Williams... Kendrick Bingley-Jones... Jaray Bledsoe
DT/NG- Kalvin Dinkins... Kai McClendon... Derron Reed... (Need another starting level portal player)
DE/Edge- Mi'Quise Grace (Hopefully)... Malick Sylla... Donterry Russell... Lakendrick James... Nevaeh Sanders

I don?t think all of those players will end up as Jack backers in this scheme. Sanders and James will probably be SLBs in the base defense, high they won?t be in a lot. They will find ways to get Sanders on the field in pass rush situations. We could see some nascar packages that have Sanders, Grace, Hibbler, and Sylla as your defensive line.

[bulldawg28]

I have been reading this thread with great interest since post #1. It seems like about 90% of the analysis of everyone we have signed or hope to sign is that "or he will at least be a depth piece". Are we getting anyone that we think can be a day one starter or dare say a difference maker in the SEC? I have as little hope in our situation than I have had since predicting Tech and Ten. I don't want maroon colored glasses, but we need more talent than a depth piece or a big guy to practice against on the Scout Team.

Yes, anyone that has starting experience probably starts with us. The others will battle it out and become starters for us imo.

[Op4isabitch]

Sounds as though Booth May be returning from what I’ve read, any insight on this, anyone?

[SPMT]

I have been reading this thread with great interest since post #1. It seems like about 90% of the analysis of everyone we have signed or hope to sign is that "or he will at least be a depth piece". Are we getting anyone that we think can be a day one starter or dare say a difference maker in the SEC? I have as little hope in our situation than I have had since predicting Tech and Ten. I don't want maroon colored glasses, but we need more talent than a depth piece or a big guy to practice against on the Scout Team.

At this point it?s really not possible to know 100% that they can hang a season in the SEC. But what we had last year was terrible so be happy. We?ve gotten some solid looking players.

If your expectations are that we get a top 1 or 2 D lineman from any schools D line you are being extremely unrealistic. We are not in that position. If we post an improved defense next year then we will start getting those transfers.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Sounds as though Booth May be returning from what I’ve read, any insight on this, anyone?

I very seriously doubt Booth is back. He seems intent on wanting to pursue the next chapter.

[Thick]

What?s Booth?s options?

[Pancho]

the draft or maybe get a judge to issue an additional year of playing time in college

[Pancho]

Is Whitson close to a decision?

[Really Clark?]

Is Whitson close to a decision?

Announcing tomorrow

[BigDawg81]

Rosebowl reported last night that other schools are still trying to get our players to enter the portal before the deadline. We are trying to hold on to them.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Rosebowl reported last night that other schools are still trying to get our players to enter the portal before the deadline. We are trying to hold on to them.

That is true. I would not be surprised if we had one or two more jump in the portal today.

[Op4isabitch]

Which schools and which players?

[DEDawg]

Well that sucks. Assume Isaac Smith has got to be one, can?t imagine what other players are worth getting. Maybe Stone?

[DEDawg]

Also, why can?t we report the tampering? Does nobody actually care to enforce it even tho it?s a rule?

[TrapGame]

Also, why can?t we report the tampering? Does nobody actually care to enforce it even tho it?s a rule?

We're doing the same thing. Errrrbody is doing it.

[DEDawg]

We're doing the same thing. Errrrbody is doing it.

Yeah but it?s fine we do it and illegal for everyone else

[Really Clark?]

Also, why can?t we report the tampering? Does nobody actually care to enforce it even tho it?s a rule?

Was it tampering though or third parties which is not enforceable? We and every other school reports legitimate tampering. There is no teeth though with tampering, transferring, NIL, etc. That is the biggest issue that has to break this chaos at some point. This is exactly where many thought this would become when it started opening up transfers and NIL. Every rule continues to get stripped away or ignored. However, once it started I wanted complete chaos and anarchy as much as possible to destroy this model as soon as possible. That's the only way out of this mess at this point.

[Todd4State]

Was it tampering though or third parties which is not enforceable? We and every other school reports legitimate tampering. There is no teeth though with tampering, transferring, NIL, etc. That is the biggest issue that has to break this chaos at some point. This is exactly where many thought this would become when it started opening up transfers and NIL. Every rule continues to get stripped away or ignored. However, once it started I wanted complete chaos and anarchy as much as possible to destroy this model as soon as possible. That's the only way out of this mess at this point.

And it caused Saban to retire which is a win for us.

[Cooterpoot]

Stop it

It's true, We're bottom part of the conference DL wise. Good news is, it's an improvement from last year. It's like I said months ago, we aren't going to get the top guys until we win some games. Whitson is the big one, just need him to jump in the boat.

[bulldawg28]

It's true, We're bottom part of the conference DL wise. Good news is, it's an improvement from last year. It's like I said months ago, we aren't going to get the top guys until we win some games. Whitson is the big one, just need him to jump in the boat.

What makes Will Whitson the big one? He has 5 sacks in 2 years. He had 20 tackles total this year. I guarantee the 3-4 signed SEC transfers would easily have matched or surpassed those numbers had they played for Costal Carolina.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well that sucks. Assume Isaac Smith has got to be one, can?t imagine what other players are worth getting. Maybe Stone?

It is not Isaac. It is not Stone. None of the ones people are trying to tamper with would be big losses. Also I doubt it happens.