2025 Transfer Portal Thread

[bulldawg28]

JA isn't worth 1 million he hasn't won anything in college.

[Coursesuper]

Agree.
We are all in on Shapen anyway per hadad and Faulk this morning. They know exactly dick.

[Brobi-wan]

That's exactly what Freeze is trying to do. He is trying to get him and then he'll make him compete with 2 other transfers for the starting job, along with Deuce Knight who is going to be their guy in 26 anyways.

I think you’re right. We end up with him probably by this weekend. Auburn never wanted him REALLY. If they did they would probably have had him committed yesterday. Truthfully, after this fiasco and getting pressured by freeze and the kid like that, I almost want the FSU kid out of spite. Would still love to have Arnold and if he’s in Maroon and white I’ll support him no matter what.

That kind of stuff just leaves a sour taste in your mouth though.

[Pancho]

i see several short snippets of those 2 daily. never seen a bigger 2 wanna bees anywhere. they know less than several of us on this forum.

[Homedawg]

JA isn't worth 1 million he hasn't won anything in college.

True. Unfortunately nobody is worth what they end up getting. Sucks.

[Coursesuper]

True. Unfortunately nobody is worth what they end up getting. Sucks.

Yep, greed all the way around.

[KB21]

I think if the market will pay it, you are worth it. Hell, if I had a clinic call me and offer me $600,000 guaranteed to see 20 patients a day, I'd call my wife and tell her we are moving.

[TrapGame]

I think you’re right. We end up with him probably by this weekend. Auburn never wanted him REALLY. If they did they would probably have had him committed yesterday. Truthfully, after this fiasco and getting pressured by freeze and the kid like that, I almost want the FSU kid out of spite. Would still love to have Arnold and if he’s in Maroon and white I’ll support him no matter what.

That kind of stuff just leaves a sour taste in your mouth though.

Yeah, for someone recruited by Lebby and supposedly WANTS to be in his system and coached by him this is just a really bad look.

[Brobi-wan]

I think if the market will pay it, you are worth it. Hell, if I had a clinic call me and offer me $600,000 guaranteed to see 20 patients a day, I'd call my wife and tell her we are moving.

Not completely wrong. I would go back to commuting to work in a second if a nice raise came with it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yeah, for someone recruited by Lebby and supposedly WANTS to be in his system and coached by him this is just a really bad look.

You're right. It's not a good look. But you know we allowed ourselves into this position. We should've just paid MKT value for a QB and moved on. Instead we let Freeze get involved and they were handing out cash to visit. Hell, we should've paid him the 25K.

Here's the other thing though. This kid is 20 years old. I mean it would hard to not get caught up in the recruiting at that age. I mean this is a kid that was told by one fanbase that he sucked for a majority of the year and now he has multiple SEC programs, one of which HIS BACKUP beat, telling him he's the answer to their prayers.

[Turfdawg67]

We have 12-13 million allocated for the 2025 roster. Not 20.

People supposedly can't buy eggs, but we can raise $12-$13 million a year for a college football team. It just means more I guess?

[Cowbell]

The price isn't 2.0/year. I don't know the price at this point, but if I had to peg it right now, it's 1.2/year. What I was saying was that we had raised the funds where we can 2.0/year. I feel like if we just say, "Ok enough with this BS here's 1.5-1.6/year" then that will get it done. You know this is going to be a valuable lesson to Jeff Lebby. DO NOT EVER LET HUGH FREEZE GET INVOLVED WITH A RECRUIT. He learned how to recruit from probably the best recruiter anyone has ever seen in Ed Orgeron. I mean Ed learned from Jimmy and Dennis how they did it at Miami and then he brought that with him to USC where he, Pete, and Lane molded it into the greatest recruiting strategy anyone has ever seen.

I love how you are educating us on freeze now and 48 hours ago you weren't concerned at all about JA visiting there and talked down to those of us who were concerned - you were fed bad info

[Cowbell]

True. Unfortunately nobody is worth what they end up getting. Sucks.
Including coaches

[StarkVegasSteve]

I love how you are educating us on freeze now and 48 hours ago you weren't concerned at all about JA visiting there and talked down to those of us who were concerned - you were fed bad info

No. The info was good. But that's fine. I just won't share anything from now on. That seems easier at this point than having to deal with people with less than zero sources criticizing.

[Pancho]

keep the info coming, Steve. pay no attention to the nay sayers.

[bulldawg28]

No. The info was good. But that's fine. I just won't share anything from now on. That seems easier at this point than having to deal with people with less than zero sources criticizing.

Don't stop sharing your info. You've kept the discussion and board going. No one can control the thoughts of these kids. They all think they're worth it and better than what others think.

[StarkVegasSteve]

keep the info coming, Steve. pay no attention to the nay sayers.

Nah. I am done with it tbh. It is more trouble than it is worth trying to argue. I am arguing with people who cannot grasp how recruiting has worked in this conference for 50 years. NIL has made no difference. It has just brought it to the forefront. I will just be a regular poster again. That is easier anyways than draining my phone battery 3 times a day talking to people about all this crap. I will leave it to the people who are paid 40K to report it.

And I will still answer anyone who asks. Just shoot me a PM and I will let you know what is going on.

[Pancho]

maybe this cowbell cat can try educating folks out there in the stratosphere********

[Really Clark?]

I love how you are educating us on freeze now and 48 hours ago you weren't concerned at all about JA visiting there and talked down to those of us who were concerned - you were fed bad info

His info is good. But unless you are in the room with the coaches and players and have first hand knowledge to share, which no one does, then there will always be room for errors. I have literally received 180 degree conflicting reports on a recruit at the same time. Both were right when they sent the message because the recruiting turned in less than 5 minutes. It's more volatile than the stock market.

[Turfdawg67]

Nah. I am done with it tbh. It is more trouble than it is worth trying to argue. I am arguing with people who cannot grasp how recruiting has worked in this conference for 50 years. NIL has made no difference. It has just brought it to the forefront. I will just be a regular poster again. That is easier anyways than draining my phone battery 3 times a day talking to people about all this crap. I will leave it to the people who are paid 40K to report it.

And I will still answer anyone who asks. Just shoot me a PM and I will let you know what is going on.

Come on man, some of us love your posts and your information. Just keep us informed and don't engage with the haters.

[bigbub50]

Great job complainers. Now I have to pm Steve to get info. I hope yal are happy.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Per his Twitter/X: Trevion Barnes has now completed his visit.


Sources: His Twitter/X

[KB21]

Nevaeh Sanders has committed.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Nevaeh Sanders has committed.

Sources: Nevaeh Sanders Twitter/X profile.


In all seriousness, this guy is a solid pickup. He'll be an edge rush specialist for us. I doubt he'll be an every down guy but in obvious passing situations he'll be on the field. Really good bend off the edge and has finesse moves to get by a tackle

[KB21]

Nevaeh Sanders has committed.

Sources: Nevaeh Sanders Twitter/X profile.


In all seriousness, this guy is a solid pickup. He'll be an edge rush specialist for us. I doubt he'll be an every down guy but in obvious passing situations he'll be on the field. Really good bend off the edge and has finesse moves to get by a tackle

Of edge players with at least 50 pass rush attempts on the year, Sanders had the 9th highest PRP rating by PFF.

[BankerDog]

Dang SVS?should I book you and the lady a spot at Honor Bar tonight? Looks like you could need it?.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Dang SVS?should I book you and the lady a spot at Honor Bar tonight? Looks like you could need it?.

You aren't lying. Gonna need a few of their margaritas at this rate.

[Brobi-wan]

People supposedly can't buy eggs, but we can raise $12-$13 million a year for a college football team. It just means more I guess?

I don?t think the people who can?t buy eggs are donating to NIL. Probably just financing iPhone 16s

[DEDawg]

So if I?m reading everything correct sounds like JA isn?t visiting anymore today? Looks like we got the Cam Newton treatment again

[Brobi-wan]

I love how you are educating us on freeze now and 48 hours ago you weren't concerned at all about JA visiting there and talked down to those of us who were concerned - you were fed bad info

If something was true one night and not true the next, that isn?t bad info. We don?t live in a static universe. The kid is 20. Sometimes things change.

[Bdawg]

So if I?m reading everything correct sounds like JA isn?t visiting anymore today? Looks like we got the Cam Newton treatment again

Supposedly he got to AU late yesterday so coming to State today may be delayed. If he doesn?t show up by tomorrow, I assume he?s done. On to the next. JA can go fighy for a starting job that their fans dont want him to have and let?s Freeze through him under the bus if he fails.

[TrapGame]

At this point I'm all for going in on the FSU QB. Make him a huge offer then go after two big time WRs in the portal with big of offers and be done with it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Per the Auburn 247 board (Auburn Underground), since we need to source everything now, Maalik Murphy has cancelled his other visits. It sounds like he knows where he wants to go.

Now how that affects Jackson Arnold, it would be easy to say that, "Oh Auburn has their QB so they're done with Arnold". I highly doubt that to be the case. Knowing what I know about the portal, they will put even more pressure on Arnold to commit while he is there. They will sell it as he needs to commit so he doesn't lose his spot in their class.

It sounds like their building prioritizes Murphy a bit higher than Arnold. Which bodes well for us. Not out of the woods by a longshot yet though. Also, if Arnold were to end up at Auburn, do not be surprised to see us kick the tires on Maalik Murphy.

[KB21]

Per the Auburn 247 board (Auburn Underground), since we need to source everything now, Maalik Murphy has cancelled his other visits. It sounds like he knows where he wants to go.

Now how that affects Jackson Arnold, it would be easy to say that, "Oh Auburn has their QB so they're done with Arnold". I highly doubt that to be the case. Knowing what I know about the portal, they will put even more pressure on Arnold to commit while he is there. They will sell it as he needs to commit so he doesn't lose his spot in their class.

It sounds like their building prioritizes Murphy a bit higher than Arnold. Which bodes well for us. Not out of the woods by a longshot yet though. Also, if Arnold were to end up at Auburn, do not be surprised to see us kick the tires on Maalik Murphy.

Malik Murphy in this offense would be similar to Joe Milton in this offense at Tennessee. OK with some flashes, but nothing consistent due to accuracy issues.

[KB21]

I'm not even sure Murphy took more visits.

Here's my suspicion. Auburn is in on a pass rusher we have offered and have tried to get to campus. Clev Lubin.

I think they have effectively driven the price up on Arnold to ensure they can get Lubin.

[Bdawg]

Lebby should be offering every QB he likes and thinks could upgrade the position. Offer all the AU QBs that freeze wants that we would actually want. Hit back some. Can’t give them or the QBs all the leverage.

[Bdawg]

I'm not even sure Murphy took more visits.

Here's my suspicion. Auburn is in on a pass rusher we have offered and have tried to get to campus. Clev Lubin.

I think they have effectively driven the price up on Arnold to ensure they can get Lubin.

Well if we raised money on the side last night for JA, we should still be able to offer Lubin, right?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm not even sure Murphy took more visits.

Here's my suspicion. Auburn is in on a pass rusher we have offered and have tried to get to campus. Clev Lubin.

I think they have effectively driven the price up on Arnold to ensure they can get Lubin.

We are on Lubin. Nothing has been set up though, per Steve Robertson and Paul Jones.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well if we raised money on the side last night for JA, we should still be able to offer Lubin, right?

We have the money for Lubin. It is about getting him here. He is a really good player.

[Matt3467]

Apologies if this has already been touched on but are we reaching out any to Jahiem Oatis? He's from the state so I assume we would and with our need there he would be a big pickup.

Also wish we'd reach out to this one from TX St: https://www.on3.com/db/ben-bell-9612/
Doesn't seem like too many people are on him but on3 is pretty high on him. PFF graded him earlier in the year very high.

[Cowbell]

Dude - I enjoy your posts and I enjoy the dialogue. But I tried telling everyone on this thread as well as the JA thread that I had different info that conflicted with yours 48 hours ago. You aren't the only one on this board with sources. I normally don't say much as I don't want to hurt my relationships. But I did tell you and others this was going to happen and you talked down to me then as well as others on here. I got told from you and others that I don't understand recruiting when my info has been dead on. The info you got was good just biased from coaches so I apologize for calling it bad. But I never talk down to you - that's disrespectful. Heck I agree with most of your posts. But I understand recruiting very well - 3 people in my immediate family played SEC FOOTBALL.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Kofi Asare, UMASS DE, has been offered.


Sources: His Twitter/X profile.


Seems like he'd be a depth piece, which we need a lot of them.

[KB21]

We just signed Brenen Thompson, WR from Oklahoma.

[StarkVegasSteve]

OU transfer Brennan Thompson has signed.

Source: Pete Nakos of On3.

Further proof that our “fan boy” media has no sources anymore. Not a mention of this kid and Lebby signs him.

And before we hear the, “well he could not get on the field there so why do we want him?” Well he was scheduled for visits with LSU and A&M over the weekend. So big time programs think he can play. Big get for Lebby. And we ain’t done with OU receivers…..

[KB21]

Speed speed! Thompson is one of the fastest WRs in college. He's a 10.29 100 meters guy.

[HancockCountyDog]

What is crazy is that AU people are hoping and praying that AU will keep recruiting the QB position and find someone that will be better than Arnold.

If I know Freeze, he will absolutely try and do that if some actually elite QB hits the portal.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Chad and Jeff are keeping our WR targets under wraps. They don't really want Steve or Paul reporting who we're after. They drove up the price on a few last year and priced us out.

Bump. Did I do this right Cowbell?

[Bdawg]

Speed speed! Thompson is one of the fastest WRs in college. He's a 10.29 100 meters guy.

Coleman replacement with that speed?

[HancockCountyDog]

OU transfer Brennan Thompson has signed.

Source: Pete Nakos of On3.

Further proof that our “fan boy” media has no sources anymore. Not a mention of this kid and Lebby signs him.

And before we hear the, “well he could not get on the field there so why do we want him?” Well he was scheduled for visits with LSU and A&M over the weekend. So big time programs think he can play. Big get for Lebby. And we ain’t done with OU receivers…..

Question about "signing" transfers.

What actually commits them to our school since NLI's are a thing of the past? Is it when they enroll?

This is something I just don't fully grasp, so any help would be appreciated.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Coleman replacement with that speed?

Not really. Another really solid slot guy though. We have a few more that we're after.

[KB21]

Question about "signing" transfers.

What actually commits them to our school since NLI's are a thing of the past? Is it when they enroll?

This is something I just don't fully grasp, so any help would be appreciated.

They sign a financial aid agreement.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Question about "signing" transfers.

What actually commits them to our school since NLI's are a thing of the past? Is it when they enroll?

This is something I just don't fully grasp, so any help would be appreciated.

They sign a FAA(Financial Aid Agreement) which prohibits other SEC schools from going after them. That is why OM waited for Amos to decommit and commit to Colorado last year before going after him. They couldn't go after him if he was still with us.

At least that's the way I understand it. I could be wrong though.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Also. Kid was clocked at 4.39 out of HS. He's a tad bit fast.

[Bdawg]

Question about "signing" transfers.

What actually commits them to our school since NLI's are a thing of the past? Is it when they enroll?

This is something I just don't fully grasp, so any help would be appreciated.

I thought I heard S. Robertson say there are papers to sign. They just can’t sign on a visit. Can signs before or after but has to be a cooling period after a visit.

[DawgFromOxford]

Nah. I am done with it tbh. It is more trouble than it is worth trying to argue. I am arguing with people who cannot grasp how recruiting has worked in this conference for 50 years. NIL has made no difference. It has just brought it to the forefront. I will just be a regular poster again. That is easier anyways than draining my phone battery 3 times a day talking to people about all this crap. I will leave it to the people who are paid 40K to report it.

And I will still answer anyone who asks. Just shoot me a PM and I will let you know what is going on.

#FreeSVS #TeamSteve

[StarkVegasSteve]

#FreeSVS #TeamSteve

Haha I'll still post stuff. Not going away. We're all Dawgs here at the end of the day.

And hey, I was right about the receiver targets being under wraps.

[Cowbell]

Bump. Did I do this right Cowbell?

You could just man up and respond to my above dialogue

[Matt3467]

Perusing AU boards they're saying it's a done deal with JA and that the number being thrown around for him is 2.5mil (They say they're offering more to QBs that haven't hit the portal) and also that he isn't their #1 target. They have some other unknown prospect they're going after as QB1 and apparently JA is fine with it and is being told he'll compete for the starting job in '26. That's absolutely insane to me.

[DEDawg]

This is wild, imagine if we were prepping for a big time NY Bowl game or you were a playoff team and you had all this going on too. I don't see how it's sustainable for the coaching staffs

[DEDawg]

Perusing AU boards they're saying it's a done deal with JA and that the number being thrown around for him is 2.5mil (They say they're offering more to QBs that haven't hit the portal) and also that he isn't their #1 target. They have some other unknown prospect they're going after as QB1 and apparently JA is fine with it and is being told he'll compete for the starting job in '26. That's absolutely insane to me.

Refuse to believe that's true. Freeze is such a sleeze bag, I'm sure he told him he is the starter and anyone else they bring in is for depth and then he will just throw whoever loses out like trash. i loathe that POS so much

[StarkVegasSteve]

Perusing AU boards they're saying it's a done deal with JA and that the number being thrown around for him is 2.5mil (They say they're offering more to QBs that haven't hit the portal) and also that he isn't their #1 target. They have some other unknown prospect they're going after as QB1 and apparently JA is fine with it and is being told he'll compete for the starting job in '26. That's absolutely insane to me.

Yea........that's not true. The mods on that board have even said the number isn't 2.5. Also, what QB in their right mind is going to leave a starting job to go be backup so that he can COMPETE for the job in 26 with a guy Freeze has hand picked in Deuce Knight. Oh and if Freeze doesn't go 9-3 or better.....HE WON'T EVEN BE AT AUBURN.

That is someone throwing crap at a wall to see what sticks.

[Cowbell]

OU transfer Brennan Thompson has signed.

Source: Pete Nakos of On3.

Further proof that our “fan boy” media has no sources anymore. Not a mention of this kid and Lebby signs him.

And before we hear the, “well he could not get on the field there so why do we want him?” Well he was scheduled for visits with LSU and A&M over the weekend. So big time programs think he can play. Big get for Lebby. And we ain’t done with OU receivers…..

From what I've been told, this should mean we are still in it with JA

[Really Clark?]

Perusing AU boards they're saying it's a done deal with JA and that the number being thrown around for him is 2.5mil (They say they're offering more to QBs that haven't hit the portal) and also that he isn't their #1 target. They have some other unknown prospect they're going after as QB1 and apparently JA is fine with it and is being told he'll compete for the starting job in '26. That's absolutely insane to me.

Yeah, that is not true, who ever posted that on those boards. They are not paying $2.5MIL for a backup. They are signing 2-3 QB's out of the portal. That's true but not at that money for a back up.

[bigbub50]

Way to let a naysayer know! Keep it coming Steve. This thread adds much entertainment to my life.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is wild, imagine if we were prepping for a big time NY Bowl game or you were a playoff team and you had all this going on too. I don't see how it's sustainable for the coaching staffs

It's not. That's why MULTIPLE coaches will leave for the NFL after Jan 5th. It's an open secret in coaching circles that there's a coach in the playoffs that is going to leave for the NFL. Who is it? I do not know. My money would probably be on Kirby but there's a world where it's Dan Lanning

[Commercecomet24]

Yea........that's not true. The mods on that board have even said the number isn't 2.5. Also, what QB in their right mind is going to leave a starting job to go be backup so that he can COMPETE for the job in 26 with a guy Freeze has hand picked in Deuce Knight. Oh and if Freeze doesn't go 9-3 or better.....HE WON'T EVEN BE AT AUBURN.

That is someone throwing crap at a wall to see what sticks.

Freeze is desperate at this point and that's why he's throwing money at everything that moves because he knows he's gone if they don't win at least 9 or maybe 8 if a win against bama is in the 8.

[Coursesuper]

It's not. That's why MULTIPLE coaches will leave for the NFL after Jan 5th. It's an open secret in coaching circles that there's a coach in the playoffs that is going to leave for the NFL. Who is it? I do not know. My money would probably be on Kirby but there's a world where it's Dan Lanning

This is the truth

[StarkVegasSteve]

Freeze is desperate at this point and that's why he's throwing money at everything that moves because he knows he's gone if they don't win at least 9 or maybe 8 if a win against bama is in the 8.

A win against Bama IS A MUST. He could go 11-1, but if he lost to Bama he would be fired. That is from a pretty impeccable source at Auburn. They're sick of losing to Bama. I think their last victory was 2019. They won't tolerate 3 straight losses and 6 straight in the series.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is the truth

Not to dovetail too far from the portal but just to expound on this one, Lane would take a sizable pay cut to get back to the NFL. He's been politicking in NFL circles for that Saints job since before Allen was officially let go.

[Pancho]

getting a solid startin SEC caliber QB is the most important thing for freeze since hookers

[DawgFromOxford]

This is wild, imagine if we were prepping for a big time NY Bowl game or you were a playoff team and you had all this going on too. I don't see how it's sustainable for the coaching staffs

It?s simple really. You just have no time for family or relaxation or hobbies. Everyone on the internet hates you or loves you based on the decision of a 20 year old. And you?re stressed 24/7. Sounds like a dream job to me

[StarkVegasSteve]

getting a solid startin SEC caliber QB is the most important thing for freeze since hookers

The funny thing with all that is that the majority of people outside the SEC actually believe the hookers were for Hugh. He was involved with a hairdresser in Hernando, MS at the time, of course she wasn't the only one.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It?s simple really. You just have no time for family or relaxation or hobbies. Everyone on the internet hates you or loves you based on the decision of a 20 year old. And you?re stressed 24/7. Sounds like a dream job to me

They're all so ego driven as well. That's why none of them can quit. Like if I was a coach, I would get that first 4 or 5 year contract, bank my money, and retire at 38. I mean Kirby has made probably well over 100 million in salary in his life. The only thing that keeps a person going at that point is ego.

[bulldawg28]

The funny thing with all that is that the majority of people outside the SEC actually believe the hookers were for Hugh. He was involved with a hairdresser in Hernando, MS at the time, of course she wasn't the only one.

Yeah, he fell on the sword for Ole Miss. He wasn't the only one. I know a coach that Ole Miss paid him millions to take the fall during that time.

[Todd4State]

Yeah, he fell on the sword for Ole Miss.

They were going to stab him with that sword if he didn't.

[Coursesuper]

Freeze is desperate at this point and that's why he's throwing money at everything that moves because he knows he's gone if they don't win at least 9 or maybe 8 if a win against bama is in the 8.

Absolutely, that slimy bastard will definitely not be deterred by morality.

[confucius say]

Bump. Did I do this right Cowbell?

Steve said Thursday we were in on multiple Oklahoma WR. Granted, he didn't say Thompson's name. But he said multiple OK wr.

[confucius say]

It?s simple really. You just have no time for family or relaxation or hobbies. Everyone on the internet hates you or loves you based on the decision of a 20 year old. And you?re stressed 24/7. Sounds like a dream job to me

5 million a year job comes with stress usually.

[confucius say]

Murphy to Auburn.
Arnold to state.
That's my hunch at this point. Lot of posturing.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Steve said Thursday we were in on multiple Oklahoma WR. Granted, he didn't say Thompson's name. But he said multiple OK wr.

I know there was a rumor last night on that board that Nic Anderson had silently committed. There was no context given and the guy said he knew a coach. I have heard, and obviously like I said Bumphis and Lebby are keeping skills guys kind of under wraps, but we're on Farooq and Hester too. No way to confirm any of that though. I doubt those guys would even be announced as visitors. It'd be silent visits and then their reps would leak it to Nakos. Rosebowl is trying to act like he knew about Thompson but he didn't. He had no clue. He found out when everyone else did from Nakos.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Murphy to Auburn.
Arnold to state.
That's my hunch at this point. Lot of posturing.

That's the vibe I've gotten from Auburn. Also the fact that Murphy has not set up another visit. You can kind of read between the lines, his reps and Auburn are negotiating the deal now.

[Brobi-wan]

The funny thing with all that is that the majority of people outside the SEC actually believe the hookers were for Hugh. He was involved with a hairdresser in Hernando, MS at the time, of course she wasn't the only one.

Can confirm this is true. There was an entire reddit thread where basically anyone not from the south is like “We’re not sure they’re for the recruits.” Couldn’t believe that was even an opinion.

[Young dawg]

Just saw we offered Deshawn Purdie qb from Charlotte. Stats don?t look great but he is young also has an offer from Georgia and Florida.

[confucius say]

I know there was a rumor last night on that board that Nic Anderson had silently committed. There was no context given and the guy said he knew a coach. I have heard, and obviously like I said Bumphis and Lebby are keeping skills guys kind of under wraps, but we're on Farooq and Hester too. No way to confirm any of that though. I doubt those guys would even be announced as visitors. It'd be silent visits and then their reps would leak it to Nakos. Rosebowl is trying to act like he knew about Thompson but he didn't. He had no clue. He found out when everyone else did from Nakos.

Got ya

[Bdawg]

Freeze is desperate at this point and that's why he's throwing money at everything that moves because he knows he's gone if they don't win at least 9 or maybe 8 if a win against bama is in the 8.

Throwing money at QBs like he did for hookers!

[Goldendawg]

There have been posts here with the hypothesis that we could sign JA with a 2 year agreement/contract at 1 million dollars per year. How can you even enforce a 2 year deal in this world gone crazy NIL/Portal system? I have read and been told that players, some no longer with us and others have demanded a renegotiation during the season. Can you make a 2 year deal stand legally? Thanks.

[StarkVegasSteve]

There have been posts here with the hypothesis that we could sign JA with a 2 year agreement/contract at 1 million dollars per year. How can you even enforce a 2 year deal in this world gone crazy NIL/Portal system? I have read and been told that players, some no longer with us and others have demanded a renegotiation during the season. Can you make a 2 year deal stand legally? Thanks.

No you cannot. But that's why we also don't frontload a lot of these payments. They're monthly payments.

[Hot Rock]

There have been posts here with the hypothesis that we could sign JA with a 2 year agreement/contract at 1 million dollars per year. How can you even enforce a 2 year deal in this world gone crazy NIL/Portal system? I have read and been told that players, some no longer with us and others have demanded a renegotiation during the season. Can you make a 2 year deal stand legally? Thanks.

A contract that is agreed to by both parties is still a contract. It's enforceable by law in our court system.

[Hot Rock]

No you cannot. But that's why we also don't frontload a lot of these payments. They're monthly payments.

A contract between two parties is binding no matter if it's about football or not.

[CarolinaDawgs]

My source at Auburn

Just absolutely thumped his chest on me asking if i could remember the last time Auburn came in and swooped a QB from State.

[Really Clark?]

A contract between two parties is binding no matter if it's about football or not.

There is language that allows both parties to terminate the NIL contract. Fairly easily in most of the agreements

[MBDawg601]

My source at Auburn

Just absolutely thumped his chest on me asking if i could remember the last time Auburn came in and swooped a QB from State.

Fitting. Then Arnold goes on to win the Heisman and Auburn wins a Natty.

[Hot Rock]

There is language that allows both parties to terminate the NIL contract. Fairly easily in most of the agreements

Agreed the language is key but a contract is binding by law, not by the NCAA.

Are we suing players to enforce it? I doubt it but a signed contract is binding and legally could be enforced if both parties signed it and agreed to it.

\

[StarkVegasSteve]

Update: Jackson Arnold will visit Mississippi State Saturday.


Source: Pete Nakos On3 Sports.


Gotta source things these days.

[preachermatt83]

You're right. It's not a good look. But you know we allowed ourselves into this position. We should've just paid MKT value for a QB and moved on. Instead we let Freeze get involved and they were handing out cash to visit. Hell, we should've paid him the 25K.

Here's the other thing though. This kid is 20 years old. I mean it would hard to not get caught up in the recruiting at that age. I mean this is a kid that was told by one fanbase that he sucked for a majority of the year and now he has multiple SEC programs, one of which HIS BACKUP beat, telling him he's the answer to their prayers.

A 20 year old that?s paid to play football is not a kid. Not disagreeing with anything else. Just that point

[StarkVegasSteve]

A 20 year old that?s paid to play football is not a kid. Not disagreeing with anything else. Just that point

You and I don't agree on a whole lot Preacher....but we are lock step on this one. I couldn't agree more. They're not kids because they're paid but I mean we're talking about people with not fully developed frontal cortexes. I look at some of the stuff I did when I was 20 in Starkville. I mean dumb doesn't begin to describe it. Now, give me 1.5 million dollars.......it would end badly.

[confucius say]

There is language that allows both parties to terminate the NIL contract. Fairly easily in most of the agreements

That needs to change. Lock both sides in.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Also....Rosebowl got outscooped again on the Arnold visit. It's getting funny at this point.

[CarolinaDawgs]

Dinner with Freeze tonight. If we can survive that, I think he?s ours to lose.

[Brobi-wan]

Dinner with Freeze tonight. If we can survive that, I think he?s ours to lose.

Optics are pretty rough on this one, but big win if Lebby brings it home

[bulldawg28]

Fitting. Then Arnold goes on to win the Heisman and Auburn wins a Natty.

He's not winning a natty regardless of where he goes.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Dinner with Freeze tonight. If we can survive that, I think he?s ours to lose.

That oughta go good.

Todd Arnold: "So coach, we're a little concerned about you and your prior involvement with prostitutes. We know they were for players and not you."

Hugh Freeze: "Well see the Lord said it was ok since it wasn't for me. I asked him each and every time before I called."

Todd Arnold: "Were you asking him before you were messing around with the hairdresser in Hernando, MS too?"

Hugh Freeze: "Well now I think we need to stop talking about this and pray."

[StarkVegasSteve]

To follow up on the Nakos stuff, he has been pretty forthright the entire time that he thinks Jackson ends up at Mississippi State. I think if he's still reporting that a visit is taking place, that should tell you what you need to know. We got the money and are ready to make the offer.

[Coursesuper]

That oughta go good.

Todd Arnold: "So coach, we're a little concerned about you and your prior involvement with prostitutes. We know they were for players and not you."

Hugh Freeze: "Well see the Lord said it was ok since it wasn't for me. I asked him each and every time before I called."

Todd Arnold: "Were you asking him before you were messing around with the hairdresser in Hernando, MS too?"

Hugh Freeze: "Well now I think we need to stop talking about this and pray."

Well played.

[confucius say]

Update: Jackson Arnold will visit Mississippi State Saturday.


Source: Pete Nakos On3 Sports.


Gotta source things these days.

Did he tweet this?

[Cowbell]

Also....Rosebowl got outscooped again on the Arnold visit. It's getting funny at this point.

I will give you this / you are d*** sure the more knowledgeable Steve in maroon

[confucius say]

Dinner with freeze could work in our favor.
Can you imagine spending two hours at dinner with that guy. Ugh.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Did he tweet this?

It is behind a paywall. 17’er made me pay for an On3 membership to read what I knew.

[Coursesuper]

Dinner with freeze could work in our favor.
Can you imagine spending two hours at dinner with that guy. Ugh.

That slimy 17er will be one bible verse after another followed up with $$$.

[preachermatt83]

You and I don't agree on a whole lot Preacher....but we are lock step on this one. I couldn't agree more. They're not kids because they're paid but I mean we're talking about people with not fully developed frontal cortexes. I look at some of the stuff I did when I was 20 in Starkville. I mean dumb doesn't begin to describe it. Now, give me 1.5 million dollars.......it would end badly.

Yessir. Agreed

[bigbub50]

Michigan state wr?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Dinner with freeze could work in our favor.
Can you imagine spending two hours at dinner with that guy. Ugh.

We are trying to figure out a way to get him here tonight. That is not new though. We were always talking about sending a jet to get him from Auburn.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Michigan state wr?

Behind a few people. I do not believe we would take his commitment today.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Possible we get some good news about Jalen Smith before the weekend is over.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Behind a few people. I do not believe we would take his commitment today.

Well maybe I was wrong. His tweet looks like a commitment

[StarkVegasSteve]

Jaron Glover has committed. I thought he was a follow for now guy but staff felt differently. I would keep your phones on you this weekend. Recruitpalooza 2K14 may not hold a candle to this weekend by Sunday.

[Bdawg]

Jaron Glover has committed. I thought he was a follow for now guy but staff felt differently. I would keep your phones on you this weekend. Recruitpalooza 2K14 may not hold a candle to this weekend by Sunday.

It’s been pretty damn entertaining so far. Are Arnold and the FSU QB going to be here together now? That could be interesting.

[bigbub50]

Is it a bad sign that some of these defenders have left uncommitted. The tn linebacker, two former tcu defenders?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is it a bad sign that some of these defenders have left uncommitted. The tn linebacker, two former tcu defenders?

The two TCU guys are wait for nows. We're not pushing for their commitments. And Jalen Smith just left and we're pretty confident on him. We would take his commitment.

[Turfdawg67]

Well played.

C34 is going to get jealous that you are praising SVS so much.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It’s been pretty damn entertaining so far. Are Arnold and the FSU QB going to be here together now? That could be interesting.

Possibly. I also don't know if the FSU QB ends up visiting. There's so much ebb and flow to these things. It would blow your mind how many of these visits are cancelled last second by both sides. We had a couple of visits last year where we had staffers waiting for kids at the airport and the kid didn't tell us they were coming. We also had a kid change his mind like 30 minutes outside of Starkville.

[Turfdawg67]

You and I don't agree on a whole lot Preacher....but we are lock step on this one. I couldn't agree more. They're not kids because they're paid but I mean we're talking about people with not fully developed frontal cortexes. I look at some of the stuff I did when I was 20 in Starkville. I mean dumb doesn't begin to describe it. Now, give me 1.5 million dollars.......it would end badly.

You agreed but then gave the right answer. Of course they are still kids at 20, no matter how much cash you make. That makes you a pro and not an amateur but maturity doesn't come with money.

[Coursesuper]

C34 is going to get jealous that you are praising SVS so much.

Well when they?re right they?re right, no matter what the crowd thinks.

[Bdawg]

You agreed but then gave the right answer. Of course they are still kids at 20, no matter how much cash you make. That makes you a pro and not an amateur but maturity doesn't come with money.

Most are certainly immature, but they have also stepped into the big boy world with their hand out and should treated as a full grown man when entering into these agreements

[bigbub50]

Seems like we haven?t heard much about inside d lineman. I know we have gotten some edges. Are we on any d lineman?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Seems like we haven’t heard much about inside d lineman. I know we haven’t gotten some edges. Are we on any d lineman?

I think there's a lot of wait and see at that position in the portal. Oatis wanted a BAG and people were trying to see if he would get it to see what the DL market would be set at. I think we'll start to see DL visits pick up over the weekend and into next week. Remember.....they just have to be IN THE PORTAL by Dec. 28th. They don't technically have to decide on a school until the add/drop date of classes.

[confucius say]

I think there's a lot of wait and see at that position in the portal. Oatis wanted a BAG and people were trying to see if he would get it to see what the DL market would be set at. I think we'll start to see DL visits pick up over the weekend and into next week. Remember.....they just have to be IN THE PORTAL by Dec. 28th. They don't technically have to decide on a school until the add/drop date of classes.

Expect Bingle jones, Dinkins, and Trevion back?

[Todd4State]

Expect Bingle jones, Dinkins, and Trevion back?

I thought Trevion was in the portal?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I thought Trevion was in the portal?

He is not as of 3:45 PM CST on 12/13/2024.

[bigbub50]

I think McClendon the freshman could be a sec d tackle in a year or two.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I thought Trevion was in the portal?

I do expect them back. I think Dinkins and KBG are probably going to be depth pieces. We need Trevion to pull a Preston Smith and get his head out of his ass and play to his potential. It would also help if he could stay healthy.

[Chuck3124]

Uhhh anybody got some info on this Craver coming back tweet?

[confucius say]

I do expect them back. I think Dinkins and KBG are probably going to be depth pieces. We need Trevion to pull a Preston Smith and get his head out of his ass and play to his potential. It would also help if he could stay healthy.

I think all 3 of those guys can help you. None are stars. But they can help for sure.

[bulldawg28]

Uhhh anybody got some info on this Craver coming back tweet?

Bring all of the Wr's and Qb's back

[StarkVegasSteve]

Uhhh anybody got some info on this Craver coming back tweet?

Yea I saw they tweet. Still think there's a some fences to mend there. I mean the guy almost got kicked off the team a couple of times this year for attitude and immaturity. Him entering the portal just because his buddy was kicked to the curb for the pursuit of a better player just adds to that immaturity. I would be ok with him coming back because the kid has immense talent, but he needs to grow up if he wants to be on our sideline next September.

[confucius say]

Who tweeted he was coming back?

[bulldawg28]

It would be a great decision for Craver to come back. He would have the opportunity to be the #1 WR on an SEC team. That's NFL guaranteed.

[KB21]

Yea I saw they tweet. Still think there's a some fences to mend there. I mean the guy almost got kicked off the team a couple of times this year for attitude and immaturity. Him entering the portal just because his buddy was kicked to the curb for the pursuit of a better player just adds to that immaturity. I would be ok with him coming back because the kid has immense talent, but he needs to grow up if he wants to be on our sideline next September.

He may not have a spot to return to if there is any truth to the rumor that Nic Anderson committed.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Who tweeted he was coming back?

Craver tweeted the pin emoji letting people know he was in Starkville. Some people took that as his announcement he's withdrawing from the portal. I wouldn't jump that far ahead yet though.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He may not have a spot to return to if there is any truth to the rumor that Nic Anderson committed.

Ehh....you take a kid like Mario Craver. He's got NFL speed. He's just gotta grow up. If he does that, he has the ability to be one of the best receivers we've ever had.

[Chuck3124]

Ehh....you take a kid like Mario Craver. He's got NFL speed. He's just gotta grow up. If he does that, he has the ability to be one of the best receivers we've ever had.

Give me Anderson over Craver. Craver is talented but I don?t want a guy that?s potential cancer to the locker room

[KB21]

Feeling very good about Jalen Smith right now. He really clicked with Coleman Hutzler.

[bulldawg28]

Give me Anderson over Craver. Craver is talented but I don?t want a guy that?s potential cancer to the locker room

He's not a cancer, he's immature. The locker room is full of them.

[bigbub50]

Who are the o lineman that contributed last year that we expect back?

[StarkVegasSteve]

He's not a cancer, he's immature. The locker room is full of them.

Agreed. Cancer is not the right word. He's just immature. It happens. All of us were immature at that age. Give us 100K.....we'd all take immaturity to a new level.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Who are the o lineman that contributed last year that we expect back?

Jackson, Reese, Work, Lewis.....at least I think Reese is back.

[bulldawg28]

Question for the board.


We've lost over 25 scholarship players to the portal are we able to replace at a one to one ratio?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Question for the board.


We've lost over 25 scholarship players to the portal are we able to replace at a one to one ratio?

I mean I think you look at a guy like Jahron Manning and you've replaced Rodgers, Jones, Albert, and Keys all in one. Because can actually play unlike the first 3 and he will be more productive than Keys. To answer your question straightforward though, yes. We will replace almost all at a one to one ratio.

[bigbub50]

Jackson, Reese, Work, Lewis.....at least I think Reese is back.

Did jimothy Lewis contribute last year? I didn’t realize he was playing valuable snaps.

[bulldawg28]

I mean I think you look at a guy like Jahron Manning and you've replaced Rodgers, Jones, Albert, and Keys all in one. Because can actually play unlike the first 3 and he will be more productive than Keys. To answer your question straightforward though, yes. We will replace almost all at a one to one ratio.

Gotcha, thanks. That make sense to then sign your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd options. We have options with the right type of creativity.

[KB21]

I?ve heard we are in on Florida OL Damien George.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I?ve heard we are in on Florida OL Damien George.

We are on him. Trying to set up a visit for next week.

[Coursesuper]

Did jimothy Lewis contribute last year? I didn’t realize he was playing valuable snaps.

Yes, he was rotating heavily at the end of the year.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Folks, if some of the names that I am hearing are correct and true than business is about to pick up

[bulldawg28]

Folks, if some of the names that I am hearing are correct and true than business is about to pick up

Let the party begin!!!

[BankerDog]

Give me Anderson over Craver. Craver is talented but I don?t want a guy that?s potential cancer to the locker room

You take as much talent as you can and if they wanna leave in the spring you do that. It?s like NFL now?recruiting is the draft, portal is the free agency.

[DEDawg]

Folks, if some of the names that I am hearing are correct and true than business is about to pick up

Rumors encouraged let?s hear it

[BankerDog]

Let the party begin!!!

Expect us to be a player for Florida OL Damien George.

[KB21]

Lee Hunter, a DT form UCF, in the portal. Former 5-star recruit.

[BigDawg81]

Any of these are the silent visitors? I guess it wouldn?t be silent if it was put out but whatever.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Any of these are the silent visitors? I guess it wouldn?t be silent if it was put out but whatever.

3 silent visitors is the rumor that I have been told.

[Bdawg]

Folks, if some of the names that I am hearing are correct and true than business is about to pick up

Need pen to paper bud!!!

[paverdog]

Any word on Aronld? Is he coming tonight or tomorrow?

[Chuck3124]

Good lord can people please STOP listening to Steve?! His only sources are Auburn people. Folks are up in arms over him saying Arnold has no more visits planned out. Smh

[CaptainObvious]

Sure wish we had a home basketball game tomorrow instead of in Tupelo.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Good lord can people please STOP listening to Steve?! His only sources are Auburn people. Folks are up in arms over him saying Arnold has no more visits planned out. Smh

He is going with the sources he has. Just like I am. I just do not believe Steve has any Mississippi State sources anymore, I also do not think he has any Arnold sources. I think it is just Auburn sources and then who he has cobbled together over the years, other beat writers. No national guys though.

[BigDawg81]

He is going with the sources he has. Just like I am. I just do not believe Steve has any Mississippi State sources anymore, I also do not think he has any Arnold sources. I think it is just Auburn sources and then who he has cobbled together over the years, other beat writers. No national guys though. Nobody trust Steve. As soon as he hears anything, he runs straight to his board.

[Coursesuper]

Nobody trust Steve. As soon as he hears anything, he runs straight to his board.

Never trust any of the fan media they are all just selling you something.,

[MBDawg601]

I set my phone down this morning and tried to sort through the 2 threads, but did not see this answered.

Is Arnold scheduled to visit tomorrow or fly in tonight? Did the bidding war get settled last night?

[Chuck3124]

Robbie is reporting that he isn?t either

[KB21]

Big picture here. Whether we get Arnold or Kromenhoek, they both are very talented QBs that we are in on. Kamario Taylor is the highest rated QB we have ever signed. Both of them were rated higher than Kamario. This is QB recruiting the likes of we have never seen at Mississippi State.

Heck, the backup option we are looking at, Deshawn Purdie, has offers from us, Florida, and Georgia. By backup option, he's being looked at as a backup.

[KB21]

Also, let's not forget that the issue with Blake Shapen is his health. The guy was completing almost 70% of his passes, and they weren't just dink and dunks. He was averaging 9.0 yards per attempt. He had thrown 8 TDs to 1 INT and didn't complete 4 games. The guy was on pace to throw for 3,300 yards and 25 TDs.

[bigbub50]

I feel great with shapen 2.0 if we have a back up. My main problem with shape is that we likly won’t have him full go in spring. We need our 1 full go for spring.

[BigDawg81]

If Arnold is out, gotta hit on Luke Kromenhoek.

[Brobi-wan]

Big picture here. Whether we get Arnold or Kromenhoek, they both are very talented QBs that we are in on. Kamario Taylor is the highest rated QB we have ever signed. Both of them were rated higher than Kamario. This is QB recruiting the likes of we have never seen at Mississippi State.

Heck, the backup option we are looking at, Deshawn Purdie, has offers from us, Florida, and Georgia. By backup option, he's being looked at as a backup.

What’s your feel on whether we could get the FSU kid to bite?

[KB21]

What’s your feel on whether we could get the FSU kid to bite?

The fact that he?s visiting suggests he?s interested, and I am unaware of any other visits he has.

According to Steve Robertson, his family respects Lebby and sees this as an opportunity to reset his career.

[Young dawg]

The fact that he?s visiting suggests he?s interested, and I am unaware of any other visits he has.

According to Steve Robertson, his family respects Lebby and sees this as an opportunity to reset his career.

You have to think after how poorly his first year went that playing in a system that has been very beneficial to a number of qbs would be the best thing for him in the long run.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The fact that he?s visiting suggests he?s interested, and I am unaware of any other visits he has.

According to Steve Robertson, his family respects Lebby and sees this as an opportunity to reset his career.

Shapen will beat him out and Kamario will beat him out in 26. People do not realize how insanely talented Taylor is. He is a physical freak. I still think we bring in someone to start in 25. Hell I still do not think Arnold is out of the question. I know our “media” does not know jack shit so I take their word about like I would take Freeze word that is faithful to his wife.

[chef dixon]

Shapen will beat him out and Kamario will beat him out in 26. People do not realize how insanely talented Taylor is. He is a physical freak. I still think we bring in someone to start in 25. Hell I still do not think Arnold is out of the question. I know our ?media? does not know jack shit so I take their word about like I would take Freeze word that is faithful to his wife.

So are we looking at JA for a one year starter?

I mean I guess that's everyone these days

[DEDawg]

So are we looking at JA for a one year starter?

I mean I guess that's everyone these days

2 imo. KT is super talented, but not enough to beat out JA in 2026 if he's our starter this year too. KT take over in 2027

[Brobi-wan]

Shapen will beat him out and Kamario will beat him out in 26. People do not realize how insanely talented Taylor is. He is a physical freak. I still think we bring in someone to start in 25. Hell I still do not think Arnold is out of the question. I know our “media” does not know jack shit so I take their word about like I would take Freeze word that is faithful to his wife.

Even if you’re right, I doubt shapen makes it 6 games through the season.

[bulldawg28]

2 imo. KT is super talented, but not enough to beat out JA in 2026 if he's our starter this year too. KT take over in 2027

If he's as talented as advertised he'll only need 1 year then you turn him loose.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Even if you’re right, I doubt shapen makes it 6 games through the season.

Now that is a completely different story entirely. I agree with you and have said Shapen would not make it 3 games next year.

[StarkVegasSteve]

So are we looking at JA for a one year starter?

I mean I guess that's everyone these days

Everyone is one year at this point tbh. If you get two years out of a kid then consider yourselves lucky. Ole Miss keeping Dart for 3 years is borderline incredible.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Someone tell me what people see in Kromenhoek? He looks like a faster, bigger, but less arm strength version of Van Buren.

[Really Clark?]

Pollock to Texas Tech...shocked by no one

[StarkVegasSteve]

Pollock to Texas Tech...shocked by no one

Gosh. Almost like we told everyone this when he went in. This is Darrell McBath and his hatred for us because he is a shitty coach, recruiter, evaluator, and we fired him.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Saw where Craver has released his top 4. Looking at it I have to wonder….do those teams know they are in his top 4???

[Really Clark?]

Gosh. Almost like we told everyone this when he went in. This is Darrell McBath and his hatred for us because he is a shitty coach, recruiter, evaluator, and we fired him.

Yep! When he first announced going into the portal. And look where he ended up. SMH

[confucius say]

Even if you’re right, I doubt shapen makes it 6 games through the season.

He played 13 games in 2022. We will see.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He played 13 games in 2022. We will see.

I would love to have a healthy Shapen. I honestly thought he played his best when we just let him loose and he stopped thinking. 2nd half against ASU and 2nd half(before the injury) against Florida. I just have my doubts with a leg injury in 23 and a shoulder injury in 24 that he can be fully healthy in 25.

A healthy Shapen is better than Arnold. It is just can he stay healthy.

[DEDawg]

He played 13 games in 2022. We will see.

The Shapen injury thing is extremely overplayed

[HoopsDawg]

Someone tell me what people see in Kromenhoek? He looks like a faster, bigger, but less arm strength version of Van Buren.

His ranking. That's it.

[Cowbell]

The Shapen injury thing is extremely overplayed

No it's not. The kid is not built physically built well enough to play in this league in Lebbys type of offense and take the punishment. He would need an incredible line.

[Cowbell]

Nothing screams I'm immature and "look at me" like listing a top 3/4/5 when you are in the portal

[DEDawg]

No it's not. The kid is not built physically built well enough to play in this league in Lebbys type of offense and take the punishment. He would need an incredible line.

It really is. I am not saying he is iron man but we got people saying he would not make 3 games. Dude got very unlucky this year. It happens. Most likely scenario is he gets banged up and misses a game or two. Im not saying he is iron man, im saying the injury talk is hyperbole at this point

[Young dawg]

Someone tell me what people see in Kromenhoek? He looks like a faster, bigger, but less arm strength version of Van Buren.

I have no clue, but I do like the way he not afraid to run with it.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Would expect that we see commitments from Isaiah Sategna and Brady Wilson this weekend. Probably see another 1 or 2 that the fanboys have no clue about.

[KB21]

https://youtu.be/LX7UAUwkljE

[msugolf]

https://youtu.be/LX7UAUwkljE

That is the most meh film for a supposedly 5 star qb. Does not have much zip on throws. Several of them looked late and he does not look quick. I think most of these 5 star qbs get favoritism from the state they play in, what camps they go to, and who offers. If you compare his film to KTaylor its not even close to who has the bigger upside and skills

[KB21]

I don't see any issues with his arm at all. This clip is an absolute dime that is dropped by the WR in the endzone. I like the way he stepped up within the pocket on this. We had some issues with MVB being able to do this.

https://x.com/clintbrew247/status/1866531953148653714

[KB21]

Ability to evade the pass rush:

https://x.com/clay_fink/status/1861296518671573452

[KB21]

Brady Wilson: Per PFF, 3rd highest graded run blocker among centers, 9th highest graded pass blocker among centers, and 4th overall highest grade among centers. Grades out per PFF very similarly to Ethan Miner from 2023.

[HoopsDawg]

Why have we not offered Keshawn Silver a million yet.

[KB21]

Same reason we haven?t offered Oatis that much. The big money goes to the players who can affect the passing game. You don?t spend big on guys who are just run pluggers.

[Pancho]

need him now

[StarkVegasSteve]

Why have we not offered Keshawn Silver a million yet.

Because he plays one of about every eight plays he is in the game. Now, if another Walter Nolan is in the portal, yeah give him 1 million.

[paverdog]

Any word on Aronld this morning? Is the visit still on?

[confucius say]

Any word on Aronld this morning? Is the visit still on?

No he signed with Auburn

[StarkVegasSteve]

Per Nakos he signed with Auburn. So the visit is off. Another really bad perception loss for Lebby. No way around it. We had the money and he let Freeze and Auburn get involved. Another costly recruiting lesson in this conference.

[DEDawg]

It was never a doubt when we found out he was visiting Auburn earlier in the week. We are MSU

[Rawdawg]

I have been saying for MONTHS we will have to over pay in the portal. This is exhibit A. We do not have a product to sell.

[confucius say]

What if I told you people in our building have been saying since Shapen signed that he was our starter regardless of whether we signed Arnold.
If you're Arnold, why come compete for a position with Shapen when you are the clear number 1 at Auburn.

Also, be interested to see if Cubelic backs off his position that Arnold was not good this year.

[CaptainObvious]

We didn't want him any way. We are 3 Star U!

[StarkVegasSteve]

What if I told you people in our building have been saying since Shapen signed that he was our starter regardless of whether we signed Arnold.
If you're Arnold, why come compete for a position with Shapen when you are the clear number 1 at Auburn.

Also, be interested to see if Cubelic backs off his position that Arnold was not good this year.

It will be hard for Cubelic to walk back some of the stuff he said. I also really hope the Shapen stuff was just lip service. If they are actually confident in a guy who has had one healthy season in 5 seasons then we have even more problems.

[KB21]

Well, on to Kromenhoek. He?s coming in tomorrow and does not have any other visits lined up from my knowledge.

[KB21]

Jackson Arnold just killed his career. Hugh Freeze will not get him to where he wants to be.

[confucius say]

It will be hard for Cubelic to walk back some of the stuff he said. I also really hope the Shapen stuff was just lip service. If they are actually confident in a guy who has had one healthy season in 5 seasons then we have even more problems.

They are confident that he is further along than Arnold right now and would be the starter going into fall.
Now yes, everybody understands injury concerns.
That's why we will sign another qb.

Shapen played 13 games in 2022.
Shapen played 8 games in 2023.

[Bdawg]

Well, on to Kromenhoek. He?s coming in tomorrow and does not have any other visits lined up from my knowledge.

Yep, whether he wins the starting job or not, we could at least win some perception back from losing Arnold. Losing one former 5 star and gaining another is pretty good perception. Maybe he won?t command as much money. Also, it?s going to be very interesting to watch the whole QB deal play out at AU. If Hugh brings in more QBs and Arnold doesn?t start, that seems like an expensive back up. I?m sure Hugh told him everything he wanted to hear last night while lying right through those beaver teeth.

[Bdawg]

Nic Anderson a lost cause now?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Nic Anderson a lost cause now?

There was never any truth that they were a package deal. We have just as much chance at Anderson now as we did before.

[confucius say]

Yep, whether he wins the starting job or not, we could at least win some perception back from losing Arnold. Losing one former 5 star and gaining another is pretty good perception.

I would be surprised if he wins the job.
But hey, if he does that would be a good sign for us.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Jackson Arnold just killed his career. Hugh Freeze will not get him to where he wants to be.

Hugh Freeze will replace him by Game 4. Not because Arnold is bad, he is just bad for that system. They will go with Duece Knight by October, if not sooner. Can’t wait to watch Freeze throw him under the bus after the first loss, because it will happen.

[confucius say]

Nic Anderson a lost cause now?

No. Doesn't mean we will get him though.

[confucius say]

Hugh Freeze will replace him by Game 4. Not because Arnold is bad, he is just bad for that system. They will go with Duece Knight by October, if not sooner. Can’t wait to watch Freeze throw him under the bus after the first loss, because it will happen.

Auburn plays at OK this year, too.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well, on to Kromenhoek. He?s coming in tomorrow and does not have any other visits lined up from my knowledge.

I feel fairly confident we will lock him up. Then again, now that we are on him 4 other teams will magically pop up. It is why our coaches do not like feeding who we are after to any of the media. They learned this last year with a few WRs.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Auburn plays at OK this year, too.

Yikes. That will be a bad game. If they get Mateer, OU will be improved. I really wish we would pivot off Kromenhoek and go after Preston Stone. He is a healthier Shapen, and he is faster.

[paverdog]

From someone who knows the SEC and comes from a football family, I sure have lost all faith in Lebby. The hires was so bad and him knowing Freeze would be interested in Aronld in the first place. He should have had that young man to visit a lot sooner and been on him like glue. All I heard was, we have the money to get him, if we really did, seems like from all the talk, Lebby would have landed him. Maybe I'm wrong, but to me he just doesn't have that it factor to get the major things done. Then he keeps the worst DC we ever had. This is not a good look at all I see from a head coach. But I love MSU and hope this class will bring things up steady and get better, he has got to do things different and fast.

[KB21]

Hugh Freeze will replace him by Game 4. Not because Arnold is bad, he is just bad for that system. They will go with Duece Knight by October, if not sooner. Can’t wait to watch Freeze throw him under the bus after the first loss, because it will happen.

Then Hugh will get fired. Knight is farther away from playing than Taylor is, IMO. Both have the same issue. The only legitimate QB coaching they have gotten has been with Wyatt Davis in 7 on 7.

[Chuck3124]

Well, on to Kromenhoek. He?s coming in tomorrow and does not have any other visits lined up from my knowledge.

Luke is already here

[basedog]

Every school has portal problems, yes some have bigger issues but to say or think "we are Mississippi State" is old news. There are only around a dozen schools who want have much problem moving forward, but out of say 130 D1 schools, it's a huge problem with transfers, portal and NIL money. Free market for so called amateur sports is a joke now days!

[Cowbell]

Nic Anderson a lost cause now?

Not if we can sign a good portal QB

[StarkVegasSteve]

From someone who knows the SEC and comes from a football family, I sure have lost all faith in Lebby. The hires was so bad and him knowing Freeze would be interested in Aronld in the first place. He should have had that young man to visit a lot sooner and been on him like glue. All I heard was, we have the money to get him, if we really did, seems like from all the talk, Lebby would have landed him. Maybe I'm wrong, but to me he just doesn't have that it factor to get the major things done. Then he keeps the worst DC we ever had. This is not a good look at all I see from a head coach. But I love MSU and hope this class will bring things up steady and get better, he has got to do things different and fast.

I mean, we have six transfers, and probably getting 2 to 3 more today, and the portal has been open for five days. We are already night and day better on defense for next year just with the inclusion of Manning, Hibbler, and Sanders. We need to close on Barnes and Smith at linebacker. And we need at least one war daddy upfront that can be a plug-in play starter.

[msstate7]

Well, on to Kromenhoek. He?s coming in tomorrow and does not have any other visits lined up from my knowledge.

If he has no sec options, we have a shot. If he gets any other one, find someone else

[KB21]

If he has no sec options, we have a shot. If he gets any other one, find someone else

Some of you thought that when Kamario Taylor got offered by Georgia.

[basedog]

I would keep MVB. Not for a million dollars but.....keep his options open.

[msstate7]

Some of you thought that when Kamario Taylor got offered by Georgia.

Mississippi kid vs a non-Mississippi kid - this has been my qualifier. We can pull out of state kids if they don't have other sec options.

[KB21]

I would definitely take Kromenhoek over bringing MVB back.

[Bdawg]

So is that Murphy kid still going to AU? Wonder what he thinks about Hugh now?

[DownwardDawg]

Mississippi kid vs a non-Mississippi kid - this has been my qualifier. We can pull out of state kids if they don't have other sec options.

Exactly. Whole different situation. If it's a Mississippi kid, we have a great shot. If the player is not from Mississippi, we have almost NO chance.

[StarkVegasSteve]

So is that Murphy kid still going to AU? Wonder what he thinks about Hugh now?

The same thing we all think about him.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I would keep MVB. Not for a million dollars but.....keep his options open.

Well you are not getting him for anything under 1.1. That is his price.

[MetEdDawg]

Well you are not getting him for anything under 1.1. That is his price.

Here's my question. Why would we not pay that?

I get he's young. But our fan base is exceedingly unrealistic on what pay for play really means. If we want guys with potential and who can play, we have to pay. And it's going to cost a lot of money. More than we are comfortable with.

The reason we don't get guys is because we aren't willing to pay. Period. We won two games. It's gonna cost money to get players.

Time to get over it. You want to win? Pay these kids a lot of money. Every year. And get used to it. To get good QBs, the word million is gonna have to be in the sentence. Hundreds of thousands doesn't get you QB talent. Sucks but it is what it is.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Here's my question. Why would we not pay that?

I get he's young. But our fan base is exceedingly unrealistic on what pay for play really means. If we want guys with potential and who can play, we have to pay. And it's going to cost a lot of money. More than we are comfortable with.

The reason we don't get guys is because we aren't willing to pay. Period. We won two games. It's gonna cost money to get players.

Time to get over it. You want to win? Pay these kids a lot of money. Every year. And get used to it. To get good QBs, the word million is gonna have to be in the sentence. Hundreds of thousands doesn't get you QB talent. Sucks but it is what it is.

I do not mind paying that to a kid who is worth it or has done anything to deserve it. Van Buren is not a good QB. He has good physical skills, ie. strong arm. That is it. He dirts slant routes, has no clue how to move in the pocket, has shit ball control, and has no clue how to read a defense. If he was true Freshman that played sparingly this past year that would be ok. But he played in 10 games and started in 8. It is not a good sign that he was still making the same mistakes in Game 12 that he was in game 5.

[CarolinaDawgs]

Had a text from my source a 7:50 saying Arnold was coming to us and then at 8:30 saying something changed in that time frame. These kids are nuts man

[StarkVegasSteve]

Had a text from my source a 7:50 saying Arnold was coming to us and then at 8:30 saying something changed in that time frame. These kids are nuts man

Our coaching staff let him go on that trip. That is what happened. They were not letting him leave without committing. Murphy had already left without committing and the natives were restless. Welcome to the portal.

[Really Clark?]

Here's my question. Why would we not pay that?

I get he's young. But our fan base is exceedingly unrealistic on what pay for play really means. If we want guys with potential and who can play, we have to pay. And it's going to cost a lot of money. More than we are comfortable with.

The reason we don't get guys is because we aren't willing to pay. Period. We won two games. It's gonna cost money to get players.

Time to get over it. You want to win? Pay these kids a lot of money. Every year. And get used to it. To get good QBs, the word million is gonna have to be in the sentence. Hundreds of thousands doesn't get you QB talent. Sucks but it is what it is.

$1.1 MIL for 1 win? I like him better than some but not at SEC full time starter money. I would been ok with half that and incentives getting him to his asking price. I'm ok with that with him but not $1.1 MIL. Which he had lowered from his initial $1.5 MIL. Where is his visits lined up btw?

[confucius say]

Here's my question. Why would we not pay that?

I get he's young. But our fan base is exceedingly unrealistic on what pay for play really means. If we want guys with potential and who can play, we have to pay. And it's going to cost a lot of money. More than we are comfortable with.

The reason we don't get guys is because we aren't willing to pay. Period. We won two games. It's gonna cost money to get players.

Time to get over it. You want to win? Pay these kids a lot of money. Every year. And get used to it. To get good QBs, the word million is gonna have to be in the sentence. Hundreds of thousands doesn't get you QB talent. Sucks but it is what it is.

Because we're not paying 1.1 million dollars for a guy we see as our backup and who we don't think will be the starter in 2026.

[BeardoMSU]

They were not letting him leave without committing.

Wth? Did Freeze blow JA himself or what?

[MetEdDawg]

I do not mind paying that to a kid who is worth it or has done anything to deserve it. Van Buren is not a good QB. He has good physical skills, ie. strong arm. That is it. He dirts slant routes, has no clue how to move in the pocket, has shit ball control, and has no clue how to read a defense. If he was true Freshman that played sparingly this past year that would be ok. But he played in 10 games and started in 8. It is not a good sign that he was still making the same mistakes in Game 12 that he was in game 5.

Our OL was trash and Van Buren is a true freshman. He does need work. But put him in the same talent situation as Iamaleava at Tennessee and he would look a lot different.

He knows the offense and that has value and he clearly has arm talent. And a good P4 team will pay him some money to come in. And what we need right now is talent. Van Buren didn't change the game for us as much as he could have, but his surrounding parts forced us to not allow him to manage games but have to sling it all over the place.

Not a good recipe for a true freshman inserted 1/3 of the way into the year.