2025 Transfer Portal Thread

[Todd4State]

As expected, Aydin Williams in the portal. I would expect us to be involved. Do not know to what extent though.

Could use another WR with some size on the outside.

[BigDawg81]

Apparently, Denver Harris isn?t visiting. State is going in a different direction.

[KOdawg1]

Tried to tell y'all on Denver Harris. He isn't a 5 star talent.

[RockyDog]

Apparently, Denver Harris isn?t visiting. State is going in a different direction.

Dumb decision. Another head scratcher by Putzler

[KOdawg1]

My dream scenario to close on WR recruiting.

-Jaylen Lloyd, Nebraska
-Traylon Ray, West Virginia
-Pick one between Ayden Williams and Dazmin James; either one works

[KOdawg1]

Dumb decision. Another head scratcher by Putzler

Nah, he's just not good enough to take with the off the field issues. True 5 star talents don't do nothing for 3 years. Yes he was injured some but his coverage analytics when he was in was mediocre at best. I'm glad the talk of him coming was just talk.

[chef dixon]

As expected, Aydin Williams in the portal. I would expect us to be involved. Do not know to what extent though.

Do you really think Perkins would leave Oxford? They never lose guys they want like that. They will have the fattest bag ever seen for that dude to counter

[Todd4State]

Do you really think Perkins would leave Oxford? They never lose guys they want like that. They will have the fattest bag ever seen for that dude to counter

I mean they lost Judkins last year. I guess it depends on if he is having issues there or not.

[Pancho]

Perkins hasn't been the drama queen like judkins was but golly wonkers , LSU and BAMA are offering him bank.

[DEDawg]

Probably zero shot here but Elijah Pritchett in the portal.

[msu15]

Tried to tell y'all on Denver Harris. He isn't a 5 star talent.

3 star talents would be upgrades for us in most spots.

[Pancho]

That was valid the past season.

[KOdawg1]

3 star talents would be upgrades for us in most spots.

Doesn't mean we should just take 3 star talents

[Tater]

Doesn't mean we should just take 3 star talents

We took a 3* talent with baggage to be the head coach so excuse some of us for lowering our standards.

[Chuck3124]

Per Steve Ayden Williams may meet with Lebby and Bump as early as tomorrow

[Cooterpoot]

Per Steve Ayden Williams may meet with Lebby and Bump as early as tomorrow

That's a waste of time

[Cooterpoot]

3 star talents would be upgrades for us in most spots.

Not over a 4 star talent transfer out

[StarkVegasSteve]

That's a waste of time

Well the guys that are actually on the staff do not think so. We are meeting with him in the morning.

[KOdawg1]

Williams can play. It's not like there's a line of talented WRs knocking down the door to play here either. Don't mind the take at all.

[Todd4State]

Williams can play. It's not like there's a line of talented WRs knocking down the door to play here either. Don't mind the take at all.

Me either. We really could probably use a WR that is 6'3".

[BigDawg81]

This isn?t a shocker but Noreel ? Nutt on me? White has entered the portal.

[KOdawg1]

Me either. We really could probably use a WR that is 6'3".

6'3 and can move. We don't have that

[DEDawg]

6'3 and can move. We don't have that

To be fair, we don?t have anything at WR

[msu15]

That's a waste of time

We haven't had a X receiver since 2021. It's certainly worth a swing.

[BigDawg81]

NIU WR Cam Thompson is visiting today. I think it?s a very good chance that he commits today at least silently.

[msu15]

NIU WR Cam Thompson is visiting today. I think it?s a very good chance that he commits today at least silently.

Lebby doing everything he can to prevent a Toledo from happening again haha. Taking all of NIU's players before we play them this year.

[Pancho]

I'm not sure you grasp what is going on if that is what you think.

[Cooterpoot]

Well the guys that are actually on the staff do not think so. We are meeting with him in the morning.

Do they? Because I don't believe we'll take him unless he's not on the 85. Some of you think an upperclassman with 7 catches is good? Not unless he's basically a free tryout. Not sure how many of those spots we've got left but probably a few.

[Pancho]

who was OV on campus yesterday?

[RockyDog]

It’s refreshing that we have so many recruiting experts on this board offering their services for free so they can build this team and not leave it up to those knucklehead coaches that are around the team every day

[HoopsDawg]

It’s refreshing that we have so many recruiting experts on this board offering their services for free so they can build this team and not leave it up to those knucklehead coaches that are around the team every day

Trust the coaches guy ^^^^

[StarkVegasSteve]

Would expect that we probably will end up with Carter Miller, OL from ULM. He was their starting Center and had committed to Colorado out of the portal. He just decommitted. You can kind of read the tea leaves on that one.

[Biguglyjoe]

Would expect that we probably will end up with Carter Miller, OL from ULM. He was their starting Center and had committed to Colorado out of the portal. He just decommitted. You can kind of read the tea leaves on that one.

247 has him committed to us.

[BigDawg81]

Would expect that we probably will end up with Carter Miller, OL from ULM. He was their starting Center and had committed to Colorado out of the portal. He just decommitted. You can kind of read the tea leaves on that one. feels like Loadholt got his first guy out of the portal as a State coach.

[Really Clark?]

247 has him committed to us.

He has not committed to us

[Pancho]

but he is thinking hard on it. folks up near brentwood say he really like Loadholt

[BigDawg81]

False Alarm apparently

[DEDawg]

Would expect that we probably will end up with Carter Miller, OL from ULM. He was their starting Center and had committed to Colorado out of the portal. He just decommitted. You can kind of read the tea leaves on that one.
That would be legit

[StarkVegasSteve]

He has not committed to us

I imagine we will have to lose a guy before he commits. Would not be shocked to see it be the kid from EMU.

[KOdawg1]

It?s refreshing that we have so many recruiting experts on this board offering their services for free so they can build this team and not leave it up to those knucklehead coaches that are around the team every day

These types of comments always crack me up. The same coaches that just went 2-10?

No one claims to know more than the coaches. It's a message board. People have opinions. It's okay.

[KOdawg1]

Trust the coaches guy ^^^^

Definitely a member of Gene's Page.

[Pancho]

i'd love to see how some of the turkeys posting on here would fare coaching college football********

[bigbub50]

Guys guys.. let’s all pull on this rope in the same direction. Let’s not waste two more pages on a good ole fashion pissing match.

[Pancho]

aw let em go. they are purely hilarious

[DEDawg]

Squirrel White to FSU. I?m officially seriously concerned about WR. We got nothing there

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ayden Williams will visit midweek. I would imagine we take him.

[civildawg]

Sure could have used creed whitmore. I still don't understand why he didn't play more to my untrained eyes

[Goldendawg]

i'd love to see how some of the turkeys posting on here would fare coaching college football********

I bet a couple could have beaten E KY and UMASS & lost the other 10 with the same players and the millions of $ spent. (Couldn't decide to add ***** or not).
Oh, well, won't be long until Spring Practice and we will start 0-0 just like everyone else in 2025. Hail State!

[KOdawg1]

Coats is visiting OM.

[Bdawg]

Squirrel White to FSU. I?m officially seriously concerned about WR. We got nothing there

So I thought I heard FSU if farther from home than UT. Ha!

[Todd4State]

I imagine we will have to lose a guy before he commits. Would not be shocked to see it be the kid from EMU.

Can we drop a guy that signs a FAA with us?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Can we drop a guy that signs a FAA with us?

Well we could tell him to decommit. The OL coach he signed with is no longer here so he could go back into the portal without penalty.

[msu15]

Well we could tell him to decommit. The OL coach he signed with is no longer here so he could go back into the portal without penalty.

Not worth it to keep him?

[DownwardDawg]

i'd love to see how some of the turkeys posting on here would fare coaching college football********

Probably go 2-10 or something like that. *******
Lol

[StarkVegasSteve]

Not worth it to keep him?

I do not know that. I just do not know what our numbers look like. We do not need to keep an extra OL at the expense of getting a WR or CB

[Pancho]

Probably go 2-10 or something like that. *******
Lol

I mean, except you. surely you are smarter than the actual coaches and fans combined?

[msu15]

Cam Vaughn to West Virginia

[StarkVegasSteve]

Cam Vaughn to West Virginia

That's a big loss. No way around that. Bumphis is currently getting worked on the recruiting trail. It's time to start to have that conversation. Now, maybe he pulls a couple out of his hat, but we're at the point now where you're taking potential over production and that's a scary place to be. You could still get Markus Allen and he was a pretty good production guy last year, but you've missed on some big ones for one reason or the other. It's weird, last year we could get them to visit, but couldn't get commits. This year we can't even get visits. If it was on the defensive side I would understand because they were atrocious, but we actually put some good numbers up on offense.

And yes, I understand he played for Rich Rod at Jax State so he's probably just following him there, but this is a guy that was supposed to visit and we were told by him and his reps that he just was going to push it to when the visits opened up, and he didn't.

[BigDawg81]

That's a big loss. No way around that. Bumphis is currently getting worked on the recruiting trail. It's time to start to have that conversation. Now, maybe he pulls a couple out of his hat, but we're at the point now where you're taking potential over production and that's a scary place to be. You could still get Markus Allen and he was a pretty good production guy last year, but you've missed on some big ones for one reason or the other. It's weird, last year we could get them to visit, but couldn't get commits. This year we can't even get visits. If it was on the defensive side I would understand because they were atrocious, but we actually put some good numbers up on offense.

And yes, I understand he played for Rich Rod at Jax State so he's probably just following him there, but this is a guy that was supposed to visit and we were told by him and his reps that he just was going to push it to when the visits opened up, and he didn't. I wouldn?t be surprised if the 2 receivers were Cam Thompson and Ayden Williams

[StarkVegasSteve]

I wouldn?t be surprised if the 2 receivers were Cam Thompson and Ayden Williams

Well we need 3. Thompson is not going to get it done. We still do not have a true X receiver. And as much as I do love Ayden Williams, I think he just got buried at OM, you still are taking potential over production. Now the good news is that there will be receivers pop open in the Spring Portal. I know of about 4 right now that if I had to place a bet, will be at a different school when Fall Camp begins. Squirrel White is one of them.

[Tripp McNeely]

Well we need 3. Thompson is not going to get it done. We still do not have a true X receiver. And as much as I do love Ayden Williams, I think he just got buried at OM, you still are taking potential over production. Now the good news is that there will be receivers pop open in the Spring Portal. I know of about 4 right now that if I had to place a bet, will be at a different school when Fall Camp begins. Squirrel White is one of them.

After only a couple months at FSU????

[StarkVegasSteve]

After only a couple months at FSU????

No receiver will want to play in that offense. Gus is running a sped up version of Mullen's offense. He always has and always will. Find me the receivers that Gus Malzahn has put in the NFL. It's 1. Darius Slayton. That offense is not a WR friendly offense. Now I'm sure Norvell sold him on he's going to blend his offense with Malzahn, but I can guarantee you, it will be Malzahn's offense. Also, Thomas Castellanos is the odds on favorite to be the starter. That's a running QB. He's a sawed off version of Nick Marshall.

[ZedFedder]

It?s baffling that Bumphis is struggling to recruit the portal. That is a guy I would have said would be one of the best.

[Really Clark?]

It?s baffling that Bumphis is struggling to recruit the portal. That is a guy I would have said would be one of the best.

He is, last year he was as well. Recruiting ebbs and flows. Nobody is perfect year in and year out.

[BigDawg81]

Well we need 3. Thompson is not going to get it done. We still do not have a true X receiver. And as much as I do love Ayden Williams, I think he just got buried at OM, you still are taking potential over production. Now the good news is that there will be receivers pop open in the Spring Portal. I know of about 4 right now that if I had to place a bet, will be at a different school when Fall Camp begins. Squirrel White is one of them.I am not saying that those are the receivers that I want but I think that is who commits especially Cam Thompson. We have a visit set up with Williams and been talking to him since or before he hit the portal.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I am not saying that those are the receivers that I want but I think that is who commits especially Cam Thompson. We have a visit set up with Williams and been talking to him since or before he hit the portal.

Before. Well before. Not him directly obviously because that would be illegal and we don't ever do anything illegal.

[KB21]

Carter Miller committed to UCF.

[BigDawg81]

Before. Well before. Not him directly obviously because that would be illegal and we don't ever do anything illegal.I feel your sarcasm there or maybe it is just gas. If you ain?t cheating, you ain?t trying.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Carter Miller committed to UCF.

Yea looks like the national guys jumped the gun on that one. I just find it hard to believe they jumped the gun and were that wrong. My guess, the kid told those guys he was following Loadholt and then Loadholt told him we didn't have a spot or didn't know if we would and he couldn't just hang out there without a landing spot.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I feel your sarcasm there or maybe it is just gas. If you ain?t cheating, you ain?t trying.

Well since I don't really know what cheating is, or if it's even a thing anymore, I just say if you ain't tampering you ain't trying.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Dazmin James is on his visit now. Grace should get here later today, got delayed at the airport.

[DEDawg]

Carter Miller committed to UCF.

geez we are getting worked the past few days

[StarkVegasSteve]

geez we are getting worked the past few days

From what our guys have said(Jones and Robertson) we didn't have a spot for him right now and he couldn't wait.

[DEDawg]

From what our guys have said(Jones and Robertson) we didn't have a spot for him right now and he couldn't wait.

makes sense. do we have our center for next year? I thought we didn't but maybe I missed it. Figured we'd make a spot for this guy ASAP to be the starter next year

[Really Clark?]

makes sense. do we have our center for next year? I thought we didn't but maybe I missed it. Figured we'd make a spot for this guy ASAP to be the starter next year

Yes, we have multiple options for center next year. That's why Miller didn't make sense. OT is really the offensive line spot we would like to add 1 more.

[StarkVegasSteve]

makes sense. do we have our center for next year? I thought we didn't but maybe I missed it. Figured we'd make a spot for this guy ASAP to be the starter next year

I think the staff is pretty high on Keenum, but Lee can play center as well. He started for Eastern Michigan this past year. I think in a perfect world, Keenum could play center and Lee could play guard. At least that was the thinking with Kennedy. Loadholt may have a different line of thinking.

[Todd4State]

That's a big loss. No way around that. Bumphis is currently getting worked on the recruiting trail. It's time to start to have that conversation. Now, maybe he pulls a couple out of his hat, but we're at the point now where you're taking potential over production and that's a scary place to be. You could still get Markus Allen and he was a pretty good production guy last year, but you've missed on some big ones for one reason or the other. It's weird, last year we could get them to visit, but couldn't get commits. This year we can't even get visits. If it was on the defensive side I would understand because they were atrocious, but we actually put some good numbers up on offense.

And yes, I understand he played for Rich Rod at Jax State so he's probably just following him there, but this is a guy that was supposed to visit and we were told by him and his reps that he just was going to push it to when the visits opened up, and he didn't.

Could the reading of the riot act leading to Bumphis not being so forthright with access to boosters be a coincidence?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Could the reading of the riot act leading to Bumphis not being so forthright with access to boosters be a coincidence?

We are not going to cost ourselves recruits to teach the position coach a lesson. If we wanted to do that, we would just circumvent him in the recruiting process. Lebby would just have his own list he was working from.

[BigDawg81]

NIU WR Cam Thompson commits as expected

[StarkVegasSteve]

NIU WR Cam Thompson commits as expected

Not a real shock on that one. I mean he'll be a nice piece in the return game. If you could get 25/350/3 out of him then that'd be incredible

Good news....I think we've shored up that NIU game. Making sure they can't beat us by taking all their players.

[KOdawg1]

Not a huge fan but I'd love nothing more for him to prove me wrong.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Not a huge fan but I'd love nothing more for him to prove me wrong.

Same. Loved to be proved wrong, but I don't see him being better than any of the slots we currently have.

[KOdawg1]

Same. Loved to be proved wrong, but I don't see him being better than any of the slots we currently have.
I think he's got good straight line speed. I didn't see the quickness and "wiggle" like Coleman had. Should be a decent return man. Hope Ricky Johnson has a good offseason.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think he's got good straight line speed. I didn't see the quickness and "wiggle" like Coleman had. Should be a decent return man. Hope Ricky Johnson has a good offseason.

Agree. I think he'll be really good in the return game, but I think anything we get out of him as a receiver will be an unexpected bonus.

I'm extremely high on Ricky Johnson. I hope he takes the next step and can contribute for us next year.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Sounds like Ayden Williams will visit either tomorrow on Wednesday. We're trying to get some visits in last minute before this winter storm affects travel. Robertson seems to think we'll kick the tires on Anthony Evans, the UGA WR, as well as Brandon Cisse, NC State CB.

With Evans, Lebby recruited him out of HS and he was actually committed to them for a couple of months so a relationship exists there.

I would not feel terrible on closing with Williams, James, and Evans. There's not a whole lot of production between the 3 but there's size with Williams and James and speed with all 3.

[DEDawg]

Damon Wilson in the portal

[StarkVegasSteve]

Damon Wilson in the portal

Be a huge get and a guy you make room for. However, I feel like that's one of those he knows where he's going before he enters the portal guys

[StarkVegasSteve]

So here's just what I've kind of been able to piece together from a bunch of different people over the last day or so:

Thompson is being brought on for speed more than anything. He's going to be a deep threat guy and a return specialist. He's not going to be a guy that is going to be an exceptional route runner and can route himself open. He knows that and we know that.

We are really high on Williams and James and want both very badly. I feel great about James and good about Williams, as I have for almost a month and a half now. You obviously don't ever like a prospect visiting somewhere else, but Ayden and his dad both feel that he can come here and contribute far more than he was ever going to at OM. He was buried on the depth chart there and then got recruited over before he had the chance to contribute.

On Evans, Lebby loves him and wants him. He really wanted him at OU and didn't like when he decommitted. Thought there was a chance we'd get him last year but couldn't get him to enter.


I say all that to say, the 3 WRs number is kind of fluid because they don't exactly see Thompson in that WR number. He'll play there but probably would only play 5-10 snaps a game there. Look at him as your Creed replacement.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'll work on getting some DB info a little later on. This crap moves so fast that good info could be bad info within 15 minutes.

[Brobi-wan]

Thanks for the update! Appreciate you grinding it out.

[Pancho]

keep a grinding steve!

[civildawg]

Appreciate the info. This portal stuff is pretty crazy

[Thick]

Thanks SVS!

[Cooterpoot]

Williams and Thompson would be two major reaches and leave only one more receiver spot. That's bad recruiting!

[KB21]

Some of you ignore talent for production. Kevin Coleman was a talent over production pick up from last year.

[Cowbell]

From what our guys have said(Jones and Robertson) we didn't have a spot for him right now and he couldn't wait.

I don't understand this with NIL. With what we are paying some of these guys, what's wrong with covering their tuition as NIL instead of schollies? His NIL would essentially be the cost of a scholarship. And we can call him a walk-on

[Brobi-wan]

I don't understand this with NIL. With what we are paying some of these guys, what's wrong with covering their tuition as NIL instead of schollies? His NIL would essentially be the cost of a scholarship. And we can call him a walk-on

I don’t think it’s about scholarship vs NIL. It’s the actual number of roster spots we have open total…I think.

[HancockCountyDog]

Williams and Thompson would be two major reaches and leave only one more receiver spot. That's bad recruiting!

I think Williams can be a good player. The guys he sat behind were NFL type guys, not scrubs. Lane doesn't rotate WR's, doesn't mean the kid isn't talented.

kiffin doesn't develop high school kids, we need to.

[TrapGame]

I think Williams can be a good player. The guys he sat behind were NFL type guys, not scrubs. Lane doesn't rotate WR's, doesn't mean the kid isn't talented.

kiffin doesn't develop high school kids, we need to.

YEP.

Williams will be just fine.

[BolognaSandwich]

What does everybody think about Mi'Quise Grace, edge from South Dakota? On campus today.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Williams will be on his visit later today. I would expect we wrap that one up in pretty short order.

[HancockCountyDog]

Williams will be on his visit later today. I would expect we wrap that one up in pretty short order.

I hope we don't overpay. He was getting paid well by the bears. I would hope we pay him on a "prove it" deal. I guess we may not have that as an option.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I hope we don't overpay. He was getting paid well by the bears. I would hope we pay him on a "prove it" deal. I guess we may not have that as an option.

In a perfect world you could do that. The NIL era is about the exact opposite of that. If he is visiting, we have already met his offer and agreed to whatever his number is.

[Brobi-wan]

In a perfect world you could do that. The NIL era is about the exact opposite of that. If he is visiting, we have already met his offer and agreed to whatever his number is.

Yeah, just gotta keep him for two years, if he produces.

[msu15]

In a perfect world you could do that. The NIL era is about the exact opposite of that. If he is visiting, we have already met his offer and agreed to whatever his number is.

What's our budget looking like?

[Really Clark?]

Commit in coming

[Chuck3124]

Commit in coming

Dazmin James?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Commit in coming

If I had to handicap the odds it would be:

James- 3/1
Grace- 9/1
Williams-20/1
If we decided to take Allen- 1/1

[BigDawg81]

Commit in comingsounds like Grace to me lol

[StarkVegasSteve]

sounds like Grace to me lol

I would tend to think it is James or Allen over Grace. Grace seems to want to take his visits

[Chuck3124]

I would tend to think it is James or Allen over Grace. Grace seems to want to take his visits

If that?s the case please be James. The way Steve talked earlier doesn?t seem we are pushing for Allen to commit just yet

[Really Clark?]

Allen committed

[StarkVegasSteve]

No way around it, I am not understanding the WR recruiting right now. We are talking guys who were average MAC players. I mean maybe that is all we can get, but either way that will not win in this league.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And I am not saying I was sold on James either. The guy had one blow up game in a bowl game. And I get that his height was the reason we took Allen. But unless you feel damn solid on Evans and Williams, you do not pass up on the 6’2 SEC guy who runs a 4.3 for a MAC guy with the same height who had slightly above average stats at that level.

[HancockCountyDog]

No way around it, I am not understanding the WR recruiting right now. We are talking guys who were average MAC players. I mean maybe that is all we can get, but either way that will not win in this league.

I know some on our coaching staff believe that System > Talent and that we will get production out of the guys we plug in, and I hope they are right, but at this point, no real point in arguing the talent has gone down at WR and CB and potentially OL. I think QB and HB are a wash, unless Booth comes back and then its a huge upgrade.

Defensively our front seven has improved a great deal, the only question I have is have we gone from bottom of the SEC to a top 9-10 DL. I'm not sure we have, I know we have improved, just not sure how much.

[RockyDog]

No way around it, I am not understanding the WR recruiting right now. We are talking guys who were average MAC players. I mean maybe that is all we can get, but either way that will not win in this league.

Not trying to throw shade at all, just asking a legit question. Weren’t you the one saying the other day that this offense creates WR stats? So which is it?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Not trying to throw shade at all, just asking a legit question. Weren’t you the one saying the other day that this offense creates WR stats? So which is it?

Oh I still believe that. What I was saying if you have the chance to go get a guy who runs a 4.3 at 6’2 or a guy who runs a 4.5 at the same height, you take the kid who runs a 4.3. Speed still kills.

[BolognaSandwich]

Not trying to throw shade at all, just asking a legit question. Weren’t you the one saying the other day that this offense creates WR stats? So which is it?

both

[Todd4State]

Is James still a possibility?

[bulldawg28]

Oh I still believe that. What I was saying if you have the chance to go get a guy who runs a 4.3 at 6’2 or a guy who runs a 4.5 at the same height, you take the kid who runs a 4.3. Speed still kills.

It's more than speed. You need route runners. Also, a legit WR in the MAC is a legit WR in the SEC. It all translates seamlessly.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is James still a possibility?

I would say no at this time. I think we may circle back if we do not get any traction with Evans, but with Williams committing in the next couple of days, it will be down to Evans or James. Staff would prefer Evans in that scenario.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's more than speed. You need route runners. Also, a legit WR in the MAC is a legit WR in the SEC. It all translates seamlessly.

No arguments from me. I just do not see this guy as a legit route runner in the MAC. I hope he proves me wrong.

[bulldawg28]

No arguments from me. I just do not see this guy as a legit route runner in the MAC. I hope he proves me wrong.

He played at Wisconsin before transferring to the MAC. He's legit.

[KB21]

Looks like Ayden Williams is close to committing.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He played at Wisconsin before transferring to the MAC. He's legit.

I know. And there is a reason he transferred to EMU. He did not fit into the Longo offense. Again, I hope I am wrong. I just do not think we had to beat anyone out for this kid. I do believe he was a take at Arky.

[KB21]

I know. And there is a reason he transferred to EMU. He did not fit into the Longo offense. Again, I hope I am wrong. I just do not think we had to beat anyone out for this kid. I do believe he was a take at Arky.

He got into some trouble at Wisconsin. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/37919751/ex-wisconsin-wr-markus-allen-face-charges-meets-terms-prosecution-agreement

[RockyDog]

Oh I still believe that. What I was saying if you have the chance to go get a guy who runs a 4.3 at 6’2 or a guy who runs a 4.5 at the same height, you take the kid who runs a 4.3. Speed still kills.

Gotcha. Thanks

[Really Clark?]

Booth is returning

[StarkVegasSteve]

Booth is returning

That is as big of a pick up as we got in the portal. He and fluff will be the best tandem backfield in the SEC.

[confucius say]

Rosebowl has been adamant since the juco rule change Booth would return. Good call on his part.

It feels like we are going to rely on the running game more next year. Helps make the lack of wr pickups more tolerable.

[HancockCountyDog]

That is as big of a pick up as we got in the portal. He and fluff will be the best tandem backfield in the SEC.

Totally agree.

[confucius say]

Booth ahead of fluff on depth chart come August?

[Pancho]

Probably, but not by much. I hope they both end up with 850 plus yds next season

[RisperDawg]

Booth is returning

Wow. Great news.

[ZedFedder]

Fluff and Booth are different kind of backs correct? Fluff is more of a bruiser, right?

[BigDawg81]

Looks like Ayden Williams is close to committing.
Rosebowl put the CB in for Williams

[TrapGame]

I heard on the radio this afternoon that the NCAA is pretty much giving past JUCO players a free year until this whole thing gets settled.

[Todd4State]

I don't get why Kelly A doesn't get another year?

[BigDawg81]

I don't get why Kelly A doesn't get another year?
Cause he was the class of 2019 and doesn?t qualify. If he was the class of 2020 then he would have gotten it. I really don?t stand the difference of one year though

[Really Clark?]

Anthony Evans visiting tomorrow

[bulldawg28]

Lebby is restocking this team tremendously.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Evans is a priority for this staff. If we could roll out Evans, Brenan Thompson, Williams, and Mosley I think that would be an above average receiver group.

[CaptainObvious]

Oh I still believe that. What I was saying if you have the chance to go get a guy who runs a 4.3 at 6’2 or a guy who runs a 4.5 at the same height, you take the kid who runs a 4.3. Speed still kills.

By this analogy, State would have passed on Jerry Rice because he ran a 4.6. Oh yeah. State DID pass on Jerry Rice. Never Mind.

But seriously, can you snap your fingers? If so, you are still slower than the time difference between 4.3 and 4.5! There is only 1 time a 4.3 40 affects a measurable difference from a 4.5 40. In a 100 yard dash. 4.6 DBs have been smothering 4.4 receivers for years upon years. Historically State receivers couldn't get free of DBs if they had BO and Bad Breath. Meanwhile, our DBs are usually in a different time zone than the receivers they are assigned to cover. Soooo.... YEP.... Route running is what separates the 4.5 guys. Give me 4 of them.

[confucius say]

Evans is a priority for this staff. If we could roll out Evans, Brenan Thompson, Williams, and Mosley I think that would be an above average receiver group.

We going 10 personnel?
Or do you mean just having those four available and not necessarily on the field together?

[StarkVegasSteve]

We going 10 personnel?
Or do you mean just having those four available and not necessarily on the field together?

I mean having those 4 as your top 4. Sorry. Should have clarified that.

[StarkVegasSteve]

By this analogy, State would have passed on Jerry Rice because he ran a 4.6. Oh yeah. State DID pass on Jerry Rice. Never Mind.

But seriously, can you snap your fingers? If so, you are still slower than the time difference between 4.3 and 4.5! There is only 1 time a 4.3 40 affects a measurable difference from a 4.5 40. In a 100 yard dash. 4.6 DBs have been smothering 4.4 receivers for years upon years. Historically State receivers couldn't get free of DBs if they had BO and Bad Breath. Meanwhile, our DBs are usually in a different time zone than the receivers they are assigned to cover. Soooo.... YEP.... Route running is what separates the 4.5 guys. Give me 4 of them.

And if I thought this guy was Makai Polk I would have no problem with it. He is not though. Heck I have been in this very thread saying I would be ok taking a kid if he was 4.5-4.6 and a great route runner. Now maybe I have watched his 7 worst games but I do not see a guy who gets out of his breaks very fast.

And hey, maybe it is all a moot point. We are bringing in Ayden and still have Sanfrisco and Rickey Johnson, both of whom I am very high on.

[KB21]

Polk is another guy. He had 36 receptions total in two years at Cal. He comes to Mississippi State in Mike Leach's offense and catches 105 passes and 9 TDs. Kevin Coleman had 26 receptions at Louisville and gets 74 in Lebby's offense.

So, I'm not concerned that we aren't bringing in someone that has caught 100 passes for this scheme. I'm more concerned with bringing in WRs that have speed, body control, agility, and the attitude that the if the ball is in the air, it is their ball.

So, I look at our WR room right now and see:
Stonka Burnside
Brennan Thompson
Ayden Williams
Jordan Mosely
Jaron Glover
Ricky Johnson
Cam Thompson
Sanfrisco Magee

I know I'm probably missing some names, but if we add Anthony Evans to that list, that's as talented a WR room as we have ever had at Mississippi State based on just talent. I agree that the production isn't there, but there is definitely talent.

[Cooterpoot]

Polk is another guy. He had 36 receptions total in two years at Cal. He comes to Mississippi State in Mike Leach's offense and catches 105 passes and 9 TDs. Kevin Coleman had 26 receptions at Louisville and gets 74 in Lebby's offense.

So, I'm not concerned that we aren't bringing in someone that has caught 100 passes for this scheme. I'm more concerned with bringing in WRs that have speed, body control, agility, and the attitude that the if the ball is in the air, it is their ball.

So, I look at our WR room right now and see:
Stonka Burnside
Brennan Thompson
Ayden Williams
Jordan Mosely
Jaron Glover
Ricky Johnson
Cam Thompson
Sanfrisco Magee

I know I'm probably missing some names, but if we add Anthony Evans to that list, that's as talented a WR room as we have ever had at Mississippi State based on just talent. I agree that the production isn't there, but there is definitely talent.

It's just a large room with little proven difference makers. We don't have much proven production there at all. I'd say it's bottom 3 in the SEC.

[Todd4State]

It's just a large room with little proven difference makers. We don't have much proven production there at all. I'd say it's bottom 3 in the SEC.

Well we only need 2-3 of those to pan out as upperclassman considering that Mosley is proven.

I'd say the odds of that happening are pretty good.

[Cooterpoot]

Well we only need 2-3 of those to pan out as upperclassman considering that Mosley is proven.

I'd say the odds of that happening are pretty good.

Well, half have either not played or played very little, so good luck. Evans would help but it's still going to be a weak room compared to our conference opponents. Bump really struggling with recruiting, so he better develop.

[MrCoachKlein]

Thought stonka swapped to safety

[StarkVegasSteve]

Thought stonka swapped to safety

That is the plan but it has not been confirmed other than a Twitter post or two. We will have to wait to the spring to see if it is official

[Todd4State]

Thought stonka swapped to safety

I've heard rumors he may play both sides of the ball. We'll see what happens in the spring.

[msu15]

I've heard rumors he may play both sides of the ball. We'll see what happens in the spring.

Boy he didn't even play 1 side of the ball well last year. No way does he need to be playing two.

[Todd4State]

Boy he didn't even play 1 side of the ball well last year. No way does he need to be playing two.

If he can learn to catch the ball somewhat adequately and make some plays in space and also line up at RB at times and get some carries along with playing safety it would be the best case scenario.

He'll likely gravitate to safety but I have seen some recent video of him where he was clearly running routes and working on WR drills.

[HoopsDawg]

It's just a large room with little proven difference makers. We don't have much proven production there at all. I'd say it's bottom 3 in the SEC.

I'm not seeing any near misses that I can say for sure would have been stars. I would have liked Satenga, Law, Vaughn or Dwyer but I'm not sure any were worthy of a Godfather offer.

Losing Coleman hurt worse than any of our portal misses.

[bulldawg28]

Boy he didn't even play 1 side of the ball well last year. No way does he need to be playing two.

Lol man.

[msu15]

Lol man.

Haha just being honest. Anytime he was out there at receiver it was comedy of errors when he was involved.

[Brobi-wan]

Haha just being honest. Anytime he was out there at receiver it was comedy of errors when he was involved.

Alligator arms on that one drive where MVB hit him 3 times and he couldn’t even come close to it. Right on the goal line too.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Alligator arms on that one drive where MVB hit him 3 times and he couldn’t even come close to it. Right on the goal line too.

Which was impressive because Van Buren did not hit most people in the hands one time on short routes, much less 3.

[Hot Rock]

Boy he didn't even play 1 side of the ball well last year. No way does he need to be playing two.

You may or may not be right but full time safety and part time WR makes sense even if he was never going to be a major contributor as WR if he is that good of an athlete. He can go all in learning the defense and have a few plays installed on offense.

Personally, I would prefer him to pick a side of the ball and focus on that but it's not big of a stretch to have a few plays he learns as a WR but I can't see someone doing that as a safety. You would get exposed quickly at the safety position trying to part time it but as a WR? They could design some reverses, bubble screens, even a few routes or as a decoy in limited action as a WR and it be effective. You do that if he is that guy when it comes to abilities. I have no idea if that is the case but what little I saw of him, I was impressed.

[bulldawg28]

Which was impressive because Van Buren did not hit most people in the hands one time on short routes, much less 3.

Van Buren catching strays again huh?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Van Buren catching strays again huh?

He is not here anymore. He can catch all the strays we want him to catch. Kid has a ton of physical traits (strong arm, speed, quick release) but he thinks he is a lot better than he is. I feel like he will be at Maryland August of 26.

[bulldawg28]

He is not here anymore. He can catch all the strays we want him to catch. Kid has a ton of physical traits (strong arm, speed, quick release) but he thinks he is a lot better than he is. I feel like he will be at Maryland August of 26.

Dude was an All American MVP of the all star game He was thrust into playing against the toughest schedule in MSU history. Despite all the circumstances he led all SEC Qbs in the month of October. We haven't had a true freshman produce like him ever against that level of competition.

[Todd4State]

Dude was an All American MVP of the all star game He was thrust into playing against the toughest schedule in MSU history. Despite all the circumstances he led all SEC Qbs in the month of October. We haven't had a true freshman produce like him ever against that level of competition.

John Bond says hi.

[HancockCountyDog]

Dude was an All American MVP of the all star game He was thrust into playing against the toughest schedule in MSU history. Despite all the circumstances he led all SEC Qbs in the month of October. We haven't had a true freshman produce like him ever against that level of competition.

That is a fair point. The mental gymnastics some of our fans have to use, to justify the praise of LK and yet bash MVB is Olympic level.

I think MVB has a bunch of potential, and I think he played well despite our team's overall limitations.

[RockyDog]

That is a fair point. The mental gymnastics some of our fans have to use, to justify the praise of LK and yet bash MVB is Olympic level.

I think MVB has a bunch of potential, and I think he played well despite our team's overall limitations.

Has there been a bunch of praise for the Kromen kid? Nobody knows anything about him and most assume that Shapen gets the first snaps. MSU fans didn't do anything to Van Buren. He was the one that chose to remove himself from the program. For that, good riddance.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That is a fair point. The mental gymnastics some of our fans have to use, to justify the praise of LK and yet bash MVB is Olympic level.

I think MVB has a bunch of potential, and I think he played well despite our team's overall limitations.

I literally said the kid has physical traits off the charts. However our teams overall limitations had nothing to do with his pocket presence issues, inaccuracies on short to medium routes, and overall decision making. He could be good in the future. He was not ready this year and it showed. Yet somehow the kid thought he had done enough to demand 1.5 mil and a GUARANTEE to be the starter for two years.

[HancockCountyDog]

I literally said the kid has physical traits off the charts. However our teams overall limitations had nothing to do with his pocket presence issues, inaccuracies on short to medium routes, and overall decision making. He could be good in the future. He was not ready this year and it showed. Yet somehow the kid thought he had done enough to demand 1.5 mil and a GUARANTEE to be the starter for two years.

With the way the market is going, his price wasn't crazy. Demanding to be the starter, now that was crazy.

[StarkVegasSteve]

With the way the market is going, his price wasn't crazy. Demanding to be the starter, now that was crazy.

And as I have stated probably close to 10 times, the price was never the issue. We could have come to a compromise somewhere on the price. It was the 2 year guarantee of being the starter.

[Todd4State]

And as I have stated probably close to 10 times, the price was never the issue. We could have come to a compromise somewhere on the price. It was the 2 year guarantee of being the starter.

I don't think he really wanted to come back to be honest.

[Brobi-wan]

With the way the market is going, his price wasn't crazy. Demanding to be the starter, now that was crazy.

I haven?t seen anyone praising the new kid. His physical attributes are certainly better than MVB though. You can just look at the size. You can?t coach that. MVB was an okay QB. That?s all. His end of year problems were the same as the ones against Texas. Honestly, he looked worse at the end of the year than he did against Texas and Georgia. That was an issue. His stats are relatively pedestrian and he?s sitting the bench somewhere else because of it. He was not starting when Shapen decided to come back.

[CaptainObvious]

I feel comfortable saying demand price and starter demand were both issues and play a part in why he is no longer here. Are we paying Shapen or Kromenhoek $1.5 million? I don't know, but I suspect we aren't.

[bulldawg28]

John Bond says hi.

John Bond didn't face a schedule like MVB

[StarkVegasSteve]

I feel comfortable saying demand price and starter demand were both issues and play a part in why he is no longer here. Are we paying Shapen or Kromenhoek $1.5 million? I don't know, but I suspect we aren't.

In the aggregate, yes. Is either one making that alone? No. And from almost anyone I have talked to about it, the starter demand was the one that we never budged on. The money could have been worked out. But the starter demand would have caused us to lose Shapen, we definitely would not have Kromenhoek, and we would be trying to find a G5 guy who just wanted to be a backup.

[Homedawg]

John Bond didn't face a schedule like MVB

And John bond was 44 years ago so.....

[StarkVegasSteve]

To update a little on DB:

Taking what I have read from Robertson and Jones, as well as talking to a couple of people, I think we are probably done at DB until the spring portal period unless someone from a semi final team jumps, which is not out of the realm of possibility. I think Coleman feels like we probably can hang tight and see what we look like we what we got and then go see what is out there in the spring portal. I think this spring portal period will he a lot busier than years past.

[RockyDog]

This season, under the supposedly struggling Lebby, we had 2871 yards passing. 900+ of that was from Shapen in his 4 games.

This is only the EIGHTH time in HISTORY, that MSU has eclipsed 2800 yards passing in a season.

I cannot wait to see what he can do with an experienced QB and having a defense that allows his offense to possess the ball more than 25 minutes per game.

[bigbub50]

To update a little on DB:

Taking what I have read from Robertson and Jones, as well as talking to a couple of people, I think we are probably done at DB until the spring portal period unless someone from a semi final team jumps, which is not out of the realm of possibility. I think Coleman feels like we probably can hang tight and see what we look like we what we got and then go see what is out there in the spring portal. I think this spring portal period will he a lot busier than years past.

So what does our two deep look like going into the spring? We need 4 that can play. Kelly jones, brumfield and who else?

[Todd4State]

So what does our two deep look like going into the spring? We need 4 that can play. Kelly jones, brumfield and who else?

Dwight Lewis, Jayden Williams, and Amarien Jefferson.

[Cooterpoot]

The WR room is better than the CB. Neither is strong, one is straight up bad.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The WR room is better than the CB. Neither is strong, one is straight up bad.

I mean how did it get worse? Brice Pollock was not Emmanuel Forbes or Martin Emerson. It is about the same. That is not to say it is great or anything. But we did not go from average to awful because we lost Pollock. We were below average before and we are probably below average or slightly better now.

[Really Clark?]

Honestly, the actual grading of our DB's was better than fan perception because we had so few pressures.

[Todd4State]

We have Kelly Jones who I thought was solid. We can see what we have with the current group in the spring and if we need to add a CB we can get one in the spring portal.

[HancockCountyDog]

I mean how did it get worse? Brice Pollock was not Emmanuel Forbes or Martin Emerson. It is about the same. That is not to say it is great or anything. But we did not go from average to awful because we lost Pollock. We were below average before and we are probably below average or slightly better now.

I think Pollack had a chance to be a draft pick. I'm not saying a first rounder or anything, but the kid had talent and he was performing well, even without our DL getting pressure. I think we have improved a lot on defense, but corner is not one of those spots, at least on paper. Maybe the Lewis kid blows up. No clue. We need two corners from P4 programs to hit the portal and we need them both. If the goal is to get to 6 wins, we need two solid corners from the portal. Just my opinion.

[HoopsDawg]

I mean how did it get worse? Brice Pollock was not Emmanuel Forbes or Martin Emerson. It is about the same. That is not to say it is great or anything. But we did not go from average to awful because we lost Pollock. We were below average before and we are probably below average or slightly better now.

Wasn't Pollock graded Top 10 in the SEC.

[Chuck3124]

Do we know anything about how Evans visit has gone?

[Todd4State]

Do we know anything about how Evans visit has gone?

He's visiting Georgia so we probably aren't getting him.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He's visiting Georgia so we probably aren't getting him.

Evans is the UGA transfer. And the visit is going well.

[BigDawg81]

He's visiting Georgia so we probably aren't getting him. I think you might mean Grace

[FlytheW3]

I may have missed it, but what happened with us and Coats? I think I saw he was down to WVU and Ole Miss.

[Todd4State]

I think you might mean Grace

Yes I meant Grace.

[KOdawg1]

We lost Crisler to Colorado, who doesn't even have an OL coach. Major whiff there

[Pancho]

Grace may be even better than I thought if UGA is actually interested in him.

[Todd4State]

We lost Crisler to Colorado, who doesn't even have an OL coach. Major whiff there

Is he more of a guard? We need a tackle.

[Pancho]

I think you are correct.

[Cooterpoot]

We lost Crisler to Colorado, who doesn't even have an OL coach. Major whiff there

The guy lost his starting job this year, it wasn't a major miss

[Cooterpoot]

I think Pollack had a chance to be a draft pick. I'm not saying a first rounder or anything, but the kid had talent and he was performing well, even without our DL getting pressure. I think we have improved a lot on defense, but corner is not one of those spots, at least on paper. Maybe the Lewis kid blows up. No clue. We need two corners from P4 programs to hit the portal and we need them both. If the goal is to get to 6 wins, we need two solid corners from the portal. Just my opinion.

It's deeper for sure but starters aren't what we need. When Jones is the top guy and he struggled, then you get a Keennesaw and NAIA guy? That's pretty rough and easily the worst looking CB room in the SEC. We signed bodies.

[Cooterpoot]

People don't want to hear it but this isn't a quick fix. We can't fill every spot we need with good players, we have to fill them with the best we can get. That's on the coaching staff to figure out who is willing to come to this rebuild too. Like I said before this started, top guys don't want to go to a 2-10 team rebuilding. We better find a way to win 6 games if we want to change opinions and we better hit on a lot of the guys we have to reach on. Got to improve recruiting but it's hard if you don't win games. With all these street agents running things, recruiting is going to be difficult for us.

[StarkVegasSteve]

People don't want to hear it but this isn't a quick fix. We can't fill every spot we need with good players, we have to fill them with the best we can get. That's on the coaching staff to figure out who is willing to come to this rebuild too. Like I said before this started, top guys don't want to go to a 2-10 team rebuilding. We better find a way to win 6 games if we want to change opinions and we better hit on a lot of the guys we have to reach on. Got to improve recruiting but it's hard if you don't win games. With all these street agents running things, recruiting is going to be difficult for us.

It's not a quick fix to go from 2 to 10. It is a quick fix to go from 2 to 5-6 though. Fact of the matter is, we had a roster last year that had multiple guys playing, and in some cases starting, that could not start for a G5 team, much less another P4 team. We have remedied that through losing guys and adding some really solid pieces. Depth will still be an issue at some positions in the fall.

[confucius say]

Correct. No 2-10 team is signing a bunch of proven P4 guys.
We have to hit on some under the radar guys and get to 5-6 wins next year.
That will get you in the game for a little better players to get to 7 wins. Then you can aim higher.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Just an update on where things stand as far as WRs.

I feel cautiously optimistic by what I've heard on Evans

It's just a matter of time with Williams.

The staff would not turn down another WR if the right one was to present itself.

[Goldendawg]

It's deeper for sure but starters aren't what we need. When Jones is the top guy and he struggled, then you get a Keennesaw and NAIA guy? That's pretty rough and easily the worst looking CB room in the SEC. We signed bodies.

We look to be signing lots of bodies. The more we have added recently, the more the class ranking in the portal has dropped as it is now number 8. Take out a few and the average of most of these guys is probably about .85. Look to be hoping that many of these guys make a jump, many from lessor programs. Time will tell.

[Pancho]

Just an update on where things stand as far as WRs.

I feel cautiously optimistic by what I've heard on Evans

It's just a matter of time with Williams.

The staff would not turn down another WR if the right one was to present itself.

they would be the best 2 if we get them

[StarkVegasSteve]

they would be the best 2 if we get them

Well.......then you're going to be real happy.

[Really Clark?]

Is he more of a guard? We need a tackle.

He's a combo guard / tackle

[Really Clark?]

I may have missed it, but what happened with us and Coats? I think I saw he was down to WVU and Ole Miss.

He never came on a visit and wasn't going to get an offer unless he did

[RockyDog]

What is Slash dancing about as of 10 minutes ago?

[HancockCountyDog]

What is Slash dancing about as of 10 minutes ago?

My guess is one of the WRs. I would have preferred Ray, but at this point we need some players that have potential. Both Ayden and Evans have potential. At this point, I'd rather that than a low production WR from the MAC.

[KB21]

It's sounding like Ayden Williams and Anthony Evans are in the boat.

[KB21]

Also, Zy Crisler has not signed with Colorado just yet. It appears that Grace is down to us and Georgia. It may come down to being a starter for us vs a possible reserve for them.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's sounding like Ayden Williams and Anthony Evans are in the boat.

Ayden has been in the boat since before he entered the portal, "ALLEDGEDLY". Because we would never tamper with a kid before he was in the portal.

Evans is the one the GIF from Steve is about I believe. Obviously could be Ayden just going ahead and committing, but I believe he wants to do the recruiting photoshoot so he can get a graphic out. I also know the staff is very confident with Evans committing.

[KB21]

Ayden has been in the boat since before he entered the portal, "ALLEDGEDLY". Because we would never tamper with a kid before he was in the portal.

Evans is the one the GIF from Steve is about I believe. Obviously could be Ayden just going ahead and committing, but I believe he wants to do the recruiting photoshoot so he can get a graphic out. I also know the staff is very confident with Evans committing.

Ole Miss fans are going to shit a brick when Williams catches 70 for 1,200 yards and 10 TDs this year.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ole Miss fans are going to shit a brick when Williams catches 70 for 1,200 yards and 10 TDs this year.

I'd take 55/950/7. If we got 70/1200/10 out of him then we're talking Biletnikoff.

[msu15]

Ole Miss fans are going to shit a brick when Williams catches 70 for 1,200 yards and 10 TDs this year.

No chance but a man can dream

[Cooterpoot]

We look to be signing lots of bodies. The more we have added recently, the more the class ranking in the portal has dropped as it is now number 8. Take out a few and the average of most of these guys is probably about .85. Look to be hoping that many of these guys make a jump, many from lessor programs. Time will tell.

The portal is tough, but we needed a lot of bodies too. We've done well, just still have some holes/weaknesses and that's where we've got to win to change it.

[Cooterpoot]

Ole Miss fans are going to shit a brick when Williams catches 70 for 1,200 yards and 10 TDs this year.

If he catches 30+ for 500 be happy

[confucius say]

Ole Miss fans are going to shit a brick when Williams catches 70 for 1,200 yards and 10 TDs this year.

Half that would be great

[KB21]

If he catches 30+ for 500 be happy

I want to see something like Lebby had in 2019 at UCF:
Gabriel Davis 72-1,241-12
Marlon Williams 51-717-6
Tre Nixon 49-830-7

[Todd4State]

I want to see something like Lebby had in 2019 at UCF:
Gabriel Davis 72-1,241-12
Marlon Williams 51-717-6
Tre Nixon 49-830-7

The guys we do get are going to see their volume increase quite a bit for sure.

See Kevin Coleman at Louisville vs MSU.

[Todd4State]

I'm going to guess that in the spring we'll be looking for another WR and CB to add to the room.

I'm assuming that we're adding another OL before the fall portal ends when I say that.

[confucius say]

I think ideally we will be very run heavy in 2025

[Todd4State]

I think ideally we will be very run heavy in 2025

I think we will be what Lebby normally is. Shapen is a great passer.

[KB21]

I think ideally we will be very run heavy in 2025

Being run heavy is never ideal.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think ideally we will be very run heavy in 2025

I doubt we will be run heavy. We'll do exactly what Lebby always has done. Uses the run to set up the pass. We'll probably look a lot like OM did in 21 with Ealy and Conner. I doubt we'll have as many QB runs so you can probably give another 150 yds a piece to Booth and Bothwell.

Williams and Mosely will probably get 45-60 catches a piece. Thompson and Evans will be around 25-40. Your backs will be 15-30.

[Todd4State]

Our WR group could very well be Williams, Evans, and Mosley. And then Traore at TE.

That's a solid group.

Booth has good hands as well as a running back.

[Todd4State]

I doubt we will be run heavy. We'll do exactly what Lebby always has done. Uses the run to set up the pass. We'll probably look a lot like OM did in 21 with Ealy and Conner. I doubt we'll have as many QB runs so you can probably give another 150 yds a piece to Booth and Bothwell.

Williams and Mosely will probably get 45-60 catches a piece. Thompson and Evans will be around 25-40. Your backs will be 15-30.

I think Evans gets more than 40 from the slot.

[confucius say]

I doubt we will be run heavy. We'll do exactly what Lebby always has done. Uses the run to set up the pass. We'll probably look a lot like OM did in 21 with Ealy and Conner. I doubt we'll have as many QB runs so you can probably give another 150 yds a piece to Booth and Bothwell.

Williams and Mosely will probably get 45-60 catches a piece. Thompson and Evans will be around 25-40. Your backs will be 15-30.

They were 58-42 run both of his years at Mississippi.
I guess it can be debated whether that constitutes run heavy.

We were 53-47 run in 2024. I think we will be more like 60-40 in 2025.

[StarkVegasSteve]

They were 58-42 run both of his years at Mississippi.
I guess it can be debated whether that constitutes run heavy.

We were 53-47 run in 2024. I think we will be more like 60-40 in 2025.

I'd tend to think we'll be more 55/45. The first 4 games, Shapen starts, we were 54-46 run, I think we'll be around that or slightly higher in 25.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Not related to us, but Carson Beck just entered the portal. Miami bound.

[Pancho]

wow for big bucks imagine

[StarkVegasSteve]

wow for big bucks imagine

They'll overpay because his girlfriend told them to overpay. They'll be the highest offer by 2 million I guarantee.

It is going to be borderline hilarious to watch them act like this is a massive get only for Sunbelt Billy and the Gators pick him off 3 times and beat Miami in Miami.

[Pancho]

I think Beck understands this is his best opportunity to build wealth. I doubt he makes it at the next level.

[confucius say]

He's not Cam Ward.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He's not Cam Ward.

Not remotely close. But hey, if someone was dumb enough to think I was worth 3 million dollars, I'm sure as hell not going to tell them they're wrong.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think Beck understands this is his best opportunity to build wealth. I doubt he makes it at the next level.

He's Will Levis 2.0

[msu15]

He's Will Levis 2.0

Hell I'd take Will

[HancockCountyDog]

Being run heavy is never ideal.

Lebby will always run more than he passes. It is why his offense works.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hell I'd take Will

I probably would too. Will looked really good with Liam Coen in 21. And maybe Beck needs to get away from Bobo, but I doubt it.

[confucius say]

Lebby will always run more than he passes. It is why his offense works.

2020. 58% run
2021. 58% run
2022. 59% run
2023. 54% run
2024. 53% run

Maybe being down all the time caused the pass numbers to be a tick higher in 2024.

[KOdawg1]

Oh Lord, prepare for this thread to get derailed by KB like he's done on GP.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Oh Lord, prepare for this thread to get derailed by KB like he's done on GP.

He'll be fine. He's stayed on topic pretty well throughout this thread.

[KB21]

https://x.com/CoachUno1/status/1877442809722020257

Not sure how to get this to post right, but who is the big guy in the back putting on the helmet?

[KB21]

2020. 58% run
2021. 58% run
2022. 59% run
2023. 54% run
2024. 53% run

Maybe being down all the time caused the pass numbers to be a tick higher in 2024.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8uZGQQXAAAJ5iD?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[HancockCountyDog]

I was told there would be no math.

Like I said, Lebby is a run first OC. His offenses are at their best when he can run the football.

I thought our offense improved throughout the year when we committed to running the ball. With Booth and Fluff, I would expect us to continue to Run the ball more than we pass the ball.

That is a good thing for MSU and our goal of 6-7 wins next year.

[BeardoMSU]

I think Beck understands this is his best opportunity to build wealth. I doubt he makes it at the next level.

This.

[Chuck3124]

Do we know when the commit is going to announce that Paul and Steve tweeted about?

[BigDawg81]

Probably tomorrow especially since he can?t sign until tomorrow

[BeardoMSU]

Probably tomorrow especially since he can?t sign until tomorrow

Who?

[Pancho]

hope it is Grace