2025 Transfer Portal Thread

[BigDawg81]

It is not Isaac. It is not Stone. None of the ones people are trying to tamper with would be big losses. Also I doubt it happens. Yes. It appears to be calmed down a little too.

[Really Clark?]

Hardley Gilmore just entered the portal. Would love to get in the game for him. Big play ability

[CaptainObvious]

Hardley Gilmore just entered the portal. Would love to get in the game for him. Big play ability

If we get him, can we change his name to Happy? Please!

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hardley Gilmore just entered the portal. Would love to get in the game for him. Big play ability

He is going to be a big fish.

[Really Clark?]

He is going to be a big fish.

Oh I know he is. Just wishful thinking.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Oh I know he is. Just wishful thinking.

We are making a run at Squirrel White as well as a few others.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Looks like Will Whitson is in the boat. Rod Gibson hinting at it.

[DEDawg]

Looks like Will Whitson is in the boat. Rod Gibson hinting at it.

Wow that's huge. Instant starter for us. Prob the first one out of the portal, right? Maybe Fluff and Smith?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Wow that's huge. Instant starter for us. Prob the first one out of the portal, right? Maybe Fluff and Smith?

Fluff, Whitson, Smith, Thomas, Lee, and Thompson will all be Day 1 starters for us next year

[Todd4State]

Fluff, Whitson, Smith, Thomas, Lee, and Thompson will all be Day 1 starters for us next year

Interesting. I feel like Manning will start for us or at least be heavily in the safety rotation. I would be a little surprised if Thompson starts. I feel like we're about to get some more receivers. That and CB appear to be our biggest needs at the moment.

I highly suspect that we will address that the first week in January though.

[Tater]

Fluff, Whitson, Smith, Thomas, Lee, and Thompson will all be Day 1 starters for us next year

Thompson "starting" is a stretch. He'll be in rotational but he's got one talent. Speed. His best case scenario is Kevin Coleman's output. Best case. I'd be pleasantly surprised if we got that.

[KOdawg1]

Fluff, Whitson, Smith, Thomas, Lee, and Thompson will all be Day 1 starters for us next year

Manning

[Offshore Dawg]

Don't these players get a chance to enter the portal after the spring games !! So what is there to get excited about now ??

[CaptainObvious]

Don't these players get a chance to enter the portal after the spring games !! So what is there to get excited about now ??

It gives us the 3rd Silly Season to be anxious over.

1) silly season 1: will you keep your coach
2) silly season 2: recruiting season
3) silly season 3: portal season

[Bdawg]

Is Whitson official or what?

[Really Clark?]

Is Whitson official or what?

Just waiting for him to announce

[Bdawg]

Don't these players get a chance to enter the portal after the spring games !! So what is there to get excited about now ??

No joke. It’s like the portal never ends. If you lose kids the last cycle, that’s hard to replace. Will probably be your depth pieces mostly I would think, but who the hell knows. Guess poaching is always a thing, but hopefully for at least the 2 deep their ”NIL” package has them locked in.

[Brobi-wan]

Don't these players get a chance to enter the portal after the spring games !! So what is there to get excited about now ??

It’s kind of ridiculous that you can transfer twice in a year.

[DEDawg]

Are we planning to be a player with Mike Matthews?

[confucius say]

Don't these players get a chance to enter the portal after the spring games !! So what is there to get excited about now ??

Which is why I'd no longer do a public spring game

[bulldawg28]

Which is why I'd no longer do a public spring game

That's a smart move. No free advertising

[StarkVegasSteve]

Which is why I'd no longer do a public spring game

Which is what a lot of programs will start doing in the next year or so. Kiffin was ahead of the game with the stuff he did last year. Just make it 7 on 7 with mini games if you are letting the public attend. Have your actual spring game closed to the public.

[Todd4State]

The spring game is pretty dumb. In general.

But at the same time I don't know that I want our guys participating in a slam dunk contest. That's probably even more dumb.

[Todd4State]

Anyhow- anyone that we can pick up from Colorado in the portal?

[HoopsDawg]

It?s kind of ridiculous that you can transfer twice in a year.

spring portal is not very strong. usually players that are buried on the depth chart or cut. there are a few exceptions of course.

[bulldawg28]

spring portal is not very strong. usually players that are buried on the depth chart or cut. there are a few exceptions of course.

There's always a backup that was competing for a starting job that for whatever reason didn't go the way they anticipated.

[bulldawg28]

Anyhow- anyone that we can pick up from Colorado in the portal?

I don't know about the portal but they have wayyyy more talented WR's than they can use.

[civildawg]

Quick thread hijack, did creed land somewhere yet?

[KOdawg1]

Quick thread hijack, did creed land somewhere yet?

Utah

[SPMT]

The spring game is pretty dumb. In general.

But at the same time I don't know that I want our guys participating in a slam dunk contest. That's probably even more dumb.


Yeah, that would be dumb as hell

[SPMT]

I don't know about the portal but they have wayyyy more talented WR's than they can use.

I believe that. No doubt Prime can recruit. Time for us to go hunting. Prime can?t keep them all happy!

[BigDawg81]

I guess it will be tomorrow again when Whitson announces?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I guess it will be tomorrow again when Whitson announces?

I'm beginning to think someone got into his ear and he is pushing it back to get a better offer. Just my guess. No inside knowledge, but just kind of reading the tea leaves. Kind of sounds like a Jadarrius Perkins situation.

[BigDawg81]

I keep hearing that he has already signed the paperwork but I keep reminding myself that this is the Wild Wild West and there are not any rules really. Can?t he get back in the portal in the spring?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I keep hearing that he has already signed the paperwork but I keep reminding myself that this is the Wild Wild West and there are not any rules really. Can?t he get back in the portal in the spring?

He can. And he's apparently signed the FAA paperwork but that just means he can't go to another SEC school. And even then there's a workaround to that. Rashad Amos did the same thing. He signed with us and OM wanted him. He decommits to commit to Colorado so he has a place in a class and gets off the FAA stuff with us so he can commit to OM.

[KOdawg1]

Yeah, I can be sold on a kid delaying his announcement once, but when it happens twice, he obviously doesn't want to come out with it yet.

Still might land with us, but something is up.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yeah, I can be sold on a kid delaying his announcement once, but when it happens twice, he obviously doesn't want to come out with it yet.

Still might land with us, but something is up.

Agreed. My uninformed guess, there's a team trying to get in the race for My'Quis Grace, who is close with Whitson, and they are offering Whitson, and tying to get him to delay things or backtrack to get in the game with Grace.

[KOdawg1]

According to PJ, the rules have changed. Once you sign financial documents, you're locked in with that school and you can't go to any (not just SEC schools).

Idk why he just doesn't come out and announce but he's signed and he can't go anywhere else.

[msu15]

Whitson is official

[Pancho]

get Grace now

[StarkVegasSteve]

Whitson is official

All’s well that ends well.

[Tater]

Is that 8 DL transfers?

I mean if this was year 1 and Lebby was cleaning up a 2-10 mess, I'd be stoked about this haul.

But it's year 2. Saw some swing and a misses. Really don't like that he had to learn on the job. But pieces are there for a 5+ win season. If he can't do that much, then get him out. It's really that simple. He can go back to being an OC elsewhere and evaluate talent. He'll have proven he's just not a head guy.

[Coursesuper]

Is that 8 DL transfers?

I mean if this was year 1 and Lebby was cleaning up a 2-10 mess, I'd be stoked about this haul.

But it's year 2. Saw some swing and a misses. Really don't like that he had to learn on the job. But pieces are there for a 5+ win season. If he can't do that much, then get him out. It's really that simple. He can go back to being an OC elsewhere and evaluate talent. He'll have proven he's just not a head guy.

Some of you people would look a gift horse in the mouth.

[Tater]

Some of you people would look a gift horse in the mouth.

Yea and Troy wouldn't have lost to the Greeks if they did so themselves.

Idgaf about winning the recruiting and transfer rankings. Wins on Saturday or gtfo. 2-10 is abysmal. Croom didn't even do that. Last guy that did actually won an SECWest and we still fired him.

People ain't gonna be happy unless dude starts ****ing winning.

[Turfdawg67]

Some of you people would look a gift horse in the mouth.

NM

[Coursesuper]

Yea and Troy wouldn't have lost to the Greeks if they did so themselves.

Idgaf about winning the recruiting and transfer rankings. Wins on Saturday or gtfo. 2-10 is abysmal. Croom didn't even do that. Last guy that did actually won an SECWest and we still fired him.

People ain't gonna be happy unless dude starts ****ing winning.

Well that?s some rocket science right there. If you can?t add perspective to the equation how do you evaluate anything? This is the middle of a process trying to un17 years of mismanagement. I hate to break it to you but we are not going to bring in some other teams best and brightest. If this next team wins 6 it will be one hell of a coaching job.

[bigbub50]

Is their mutual interest with My'Quis Grace? Are we heating up with any corners or wr?

[Brobi-wan]

Yea and Troy wouldn't have lost to the Greeks if they did so themselves.

Idgaf about winning the recruiting and transfer rankings. Wins on Saturday or gtfo. 2-10 is abysmal. Croom didn't even do that. Last guy that did actually won an SECWest and we still fired him.

People ain't gonna be happy unless dude starts ****ing winning.

And if you guys have your way, we will likely be mediocre in 2026 too. Lebby has a chance to shoot up to 8+ wins in 2026 if he plays his cards right. If he is bad in 2026, THAT is when you fire him.

If you fire him next year, any progress made will be undone. Might as well get ready to do the same to the next coach in 2-3 more years. This entire situation has so very little to do with Lebby, who has just been in Starkville for over a year, and a lot more to do with the 7 years that preceded it. I hope you’re in your youth with that Amazon prime shipping results mentality.

[Pancho]

win 5 next year and 6 or 7 in 26 and he gets an extension

[Todd4State]

We've done a great job at rebuilding the d-line! Need to finish at WR and CB now. Would certainly welcome Grace and an o-lineman as well.

[KB21]

I really hate the "learning on the job" angle some take against Jeff Lebby. You know what? Kirby Smart had to learn on the job when he got the Georgia job. Ryan Day had to learn on the job when he got the Ohio State job. Dan Lanning had to learn on the job when he got the Oregon job. Marcus Freeman had to learn on the job when he got the Notre Dame job. All four were BIG TIME programs who hired first time head coaches. A 5th first time head coach in the playoffs this year is Spencer Danielson at Boise State.

[BrunswickDawg]

I really hate the "learning on the job" angle some take against Jeff Lebby. You know what? Kirby Smart had to learn on the job when he got the Georgia job. Ryan Day had to learn on the job when he got the Ohio State job. Dan Lanning had to learn on the job when he got the Oregon job. Marcus Freeman had to learn on the job when he got the Notre Dame job. All four were BIG TIME programs who hired first time head coaches. A 5th first time head coach in the playoffs this year is Spencer Danielson at Boise State.

Kirby is a great example. Took over a 10-3 team. Kirby had 19 future NFL draft picks on that roster. They went 8-5 and lost to Vandy and GT.

[KB21]

Kirby is a great example. Took over a 10-3 team. Kirby had 19 future NFL draft picks on that roster. They went 8-5 and lost to Vandy and GT.

And look at him now. Six of the 8 playoff head coaches are first time head coaches or were when they got those jobs. Four of the playoff head coaches are in their 30s.

[Cowbell]

And look at him now. Six of the 8 playoff head coaches are first time head coaches or were when they got those jobs. Four of the playoff head coaches are in their 30s.

There aren't many people complaining that he is learning on the job. Most just hope that he is learning and adjusting. Some of the things that have happened behind the scenes since the season ended are speculative at best so there is reason for concern. But equally reason for optimism.

[SPMT]

And if you guys have your way, we will likely be mediocre in 2026 too. Lebby has a chance to shoot up to 8+ wins in 2026 if he plays his cards right. If he is bad in 2026, THAT is when you fire him.

If you fire him next year, any progress made will be undone. Might as well get ready to do the same to the next coach in 2-3 more years. This entire situation has so very little to do with Lebby, who has just been in Starkville for over a year, and a lot more to do with the 7 years that preceded it. I hope you?re in your youth with that Amazon prime shipping results mentality.


Unfortunately Brobi, there are some posters who are as emotional as their wives.

[SPMT]

There aren't many people complaining that he is learning on the job. Most just hope that he is learning and adjusting. Some of the things that have happened behind the scenes since the season ended are speculative at best so there is reason for concern. But equally reason for optimism.


Some of the things behind the scenes are troubling?.::like what?

[Todd4State]

Some of the things behind the scenes are troubling?.::like what?

He's probably referring to not replacing Hutzler.

The reality is how Lebby does is going to correlate to how he does in the portal. Specifically this class. If we look well coached and win 5-6 games at least next year he is going to be fine. If he doesn't the odds of him working out aren't very good. I really don't know what direction it's going to go in but on paper at least he has without question improved the defense. He also replaced or added help to coaches who are struggling in the form of Loadholt, Rhoads, and Dancey. As long as he addresses the rest of our needs this portal season- and at this point I have no reason to question that he won't- there is reason for optimism.

The most likely way this doesn't work is if he is Joe Moorhead 2.0 and I don't think we can completely rule that out either. But I'm optimistic that won't be the case.

[Todd4State]

All’s well that ends well.

I won't lie. It definitely had the feel of a typical MSU recruiting disaster where someone swoops in and steals the player from us.

Thankfully that didn't happen.

And now if we add Grace all of a sudden our front seven looks very respectable.

[Bdawg]

I really hate the "learning on the job" angle some take against Jeff Lebby. You know what? Kirby Smart had to learn on the job when he got the Georgia job. Ryan Day had to learn on the job when he got the Ohio State job. Dan Lanning had to learn on the job when he got the Oregon job. Marcus Freeman had to learn on the job when he got the Notre Dame job. All four were BIG TIME programs who hired first time head coaches. A 5th first time head coach in the playoffs this year is Spencer Danielson at Boise State.

Tell me you are not comparing our program to the ones you just named and claim we are on equal footing!!

[KB21]

There aren't many people complaining that he is learning on the job. Most just hope that he is learning and adjusting. Some of the things that have happened behind the scenes since the season ended are speculative at best so there is reason for concern. But equally reason for optimism.

Maybe not so much here, but I've seen a lot of criticism of the process of hiring Jeff Lebby and the fact that we didn't hire an experienced head coach. The fact is our history suggests that the only experienced head coaches we can actually get are coaches who are at the end of their careers or coaches who are radioactive that no one else will touch. I've always felt we were better off taking a chance on a first-time head coach than settling for what we have typically gotten when we hire an experienced head coach.

[KB21]

Tell me you are not comparing our program to the ones you just named and claim we are on equal footing!!

I'm not, but to say we are better off settling for a mediocre established head coach rather than taking a chance that we are getting an up and comer when we hire a coordinator is just wrong, IMO.

[Bdawg]

I'm not, but to say we are better off settling for a mediocre established head coach rather than taking a chance that we are getting an up and comer when we hire a coordinator is just wrong, IMO.

Ok. I can agree with that. I always say just hire who you thinks the best and who wants to come.


Edit: I do like offensive minded coaches though(and I’m a defensive guy) because that’s what’s exciting and the rules give the offense the advantage these days. Hardly get to see the big hit anymore(brings a tear to my eye) because of targeting rule. Plus offense puts butts in the seats and always gives you a chance to come from behind. I hope Lebby can put the pedal to the metal this year.

[KB21]

Ok. I can agree with that. I always say just hire who you thinks the best and who wants to come.


Edit: I do like offensive minded coaches though(and I’m a defensive guy) because that’s what’s exciting and the rules give the offense the advantage these days. Hardly get to see the big hit anymore(brings a tear to my eye) because of targeting rule. Plus offense puts butts in the seats and always gives you a chance to come from behind. I hope Lebby can put the pedal to the metal this year.

Agree. Definitely prefer offensive minded coaches.

[Bdawg]

Back to recruiting. Happy to get Whitson. Had me worried because once things get delayed it doesn’t seem to bode well for us!! Let’s keep it rolling! Who’s next?

[StarkVegasSteve]

A lot of action in the next 7-10 days. We have a lot of visits set up and are trying to get 5-6 more set. Have to see how things shake out with the playoff games today and tomorrow. I know we have sent some strong feelers out to guys currently on playoff teams. Just as we did with Squirrel White.

[Tater]

Well that?s some rocket science right there. If you can?t add perspective to the equation how do you evaluate anything? This is the middle of a process trying to un17 years of mismanagement. I hate to break it to you but we are not going to bring in some other teams best and brightest. If this next team wins 6 it will be one hell of a coaching job.

I actually am adding perspective. Only one other coach this century put up as bad of a record as Lebby did and he was fired. Expecting some amount of results next year (5 wins or more) is a ****ing low bar to clear. Idc what "situation" he inherited. This is an SEC job and we have a decent amount of money to spend. An average of 3 wins a year doesn't cut it.

[RockyDog]

I actually am adding perspective. Only one other coach this century put up as bad of a record as Lebby did and he was fired. Expecting some amount of results next year (5 wins or more) is a ****ing low bar to clear. Idc what "situation" he inherited. This is an SEC job and we have a decent amount of money to spend. An average of 3 wins a year doesn't cut it.
If Lebby wins less than 4 next season then maybe you explore it. But to evaluate him solely on this past season is ridiculous.

We were more competitive offensively in the league as a whole than we have been in a decade. We moved the ball against every opponent we played and the lack of scoring in several games was self inflicted. There was no 3-2 Auburn game or 24-2 Kentucky game.

Add in the fact that we couldn’t have done worse if we had just not lined up a defense at all. To not have a legit 2 deep in modern college football with the welfare money we get from the SEC is criminal.

[Really Clark?]

I actually am adding perspective. Only one other coach this century put up as bad of a record as Lebby did and he was fired. Expecting some amount of results next year (5 wins or more) is a ****ing low bar to clear. Idc what "situation" he inherited. This is an SEC job and we have a decent amount of money to spend. An average of 3 wins a year doesn't cut it.

In the SEC, Mark Stoops and Clark Lea both went 2-10 their first seasons. Lea went 2-10 last year in his 3rd season as well.

[msu15]

Back to recruiting. Happy to get Whitson. Had me worried because once things get delayed it doesn’t seem to bode well for us!! Let’s keep it rolling! Who’s next?

You tried to get it back on topic, props.

[msu15]

A lot of action in the next 7-10 days. We have a lot of visits set up and are trying to get 5-6 more set. Have to see how things shake out with the playoff games today and tomorrow. I know we have sent some strong feelers out to guys currently on playoff teams. Just as we did with Squirrel White.

Yea I didn't make a big deal about it but when Lebby told Murray that he was aiming for only 15 +/- portal commits I laughed. No way was that realistic.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yea I didn't make a big deal about it but when Lebby told Murray that he was aiming for only 15 +/- portal commits I laughed. No way was that realistic.

Well and I mean realistically you do not go into that press conference and say ok I am going to lose Craver, Van Buren, Pollock, and we are iffy on Coleman and a couple of others. Had we brought back those pieces we may have been closer to 15. You also do not know what your just strictly depth guys are going to do. Guys like Hinton, Cooper, Harrell, etc. As a coach, you probably know their best bet is stick it out here, but they see differently because they just want to be on the field somewhere and they have representatives telling them that program B is going to value them more than we do.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well we said going in that we needed to completely revamp the DL, we have 7 transfers and we got Burroughs. I would said we have flipped that room and I do not believe we are done.

[BigDawg81]

Well we said going in that we needed to completely revamp the DL, we have 7 transfers and we got Burroughs. I would said we have flipped that room and I do not believe we are done. Finish with Grace and watch out👀

[Coursesuper]

I actually am adding perspective. Only one other coach this century put up as bad of a record as Lebby did and he was fired. Expecting some amount of results next year (5 wins or more) is a ****ing low bar to clear. Idc what "situation" he inherited. This is an SEC job and we have a decent amount of money to spend. An average of 3 wins a year doesn't cut it.

If that is perspective let me off at the next stop. That kind of perspective is exactly why we are in the middle of this shitshow right now. That thinking is what landed us with possibly the worst athletic director in our mediocre history since Dudy Noble. Thank you no.

[DEDawg]

Do we have any names for the WR and CB targets besides squirrel? That?s the last group right now I feel is far below SEC average. Everything else feels we have gotten to at least average or right below (maybe OL)

[StarkVegasSteve]

Do we have any names for the WR and CB targets besides squirrel? That?s the last group right now I feel is far below SEC average. Everything else feels we have gotten to at least average or right below (maybe OL)

WR
Cam Vaughn-Jax State
Markus Allen-Eastern Michigan
Squirrel White-Tennessee


CB
Stephen Hall-Wazzu
Denver Harris-UTSA
Michael Coats Jr-Nevada
Dwight Lewis-Marian

[DEDawg]

WR
Cam Vaughn-Jax State
Markus Allen-Eastern Michigan
Squirrel White-Tennessee


CB
Stephen Hall-Wazzu
Denver Harris-UTSA
Michael Coats Jr-Nevada
Dwight Lewis-Marian

No chance with Mike Matthews?

[MetEdDawg]

Center from Colorado just entered the portal. Started 9 games for them. Hank Zilinskas.

I would assume a possible target for us with Loadholt onboard.

[Really Clark?]

No chance with Mike Matthews?

He didn't enter the portal

[Todd4State]

WR
Cam Vaughn-Jax State
Markus Allen-Eastern Michigan
Squirrel White-Tennessee


CB
Stephen Hall-Wazzu
Denver Harris-UTSA
Michael Coats Jr-Nevada
Dwight Lewis-Marian

Any chance at Tru Edwards from La Tech?

[msu15]

Center from Colorado just entered the portal. Started 9 games for them. Hank Zilinskas.

I would assume a possible target for us with Loadholt onboard.

Not a fan of only being 285lbs, but if he can play he can play.

[DEDawg]

He didn't enter the portal

https://www.essentiallysports.com/ncaa-college-football-news-transfer-portal-mike-matthews-linked-to-three-colleges-after-breaking-josh-heupels-heart-insider-buzz-georgia-usc-clemson/

Am I missing something? Did he withdraw?

[Really Clark?]

Any chance at Tru Edwards from La Tech?

He doesn't have interest in us right now.

[Really Clark?]

https://www.essentiallysports.com/ncaa-college-football-news-transfer-portal-mike-matthews-linked-to-three-colleges-after-breaking-josh-heupels-heart-insider-buzz-georgia-usc-clemson/

Am I missing something? Did he withdraw?

He never reached the portal officially. He was going to enter but changed his mind before hitting the portal.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Any chance at Tru Edwards from La Tech?

Probably not. I have a feeling I know where he is going. He is a Louisiana kid who had a good year. You can kind of connect the dots there.

[HoopsDawg]

We desperately need a playmaker or 2 at WR. Need a starting OT. A starting cornerback. And need to close the deal on Grace. Everywhere else is fine/decent.

[Tater]

We desperately need a playmaker or 2 at WR. Need a starting OT. A starting cornerback. And need to close the deal on Grace. Everywhere else is fine/decent.

We have a very solid haul already. And the makings to turn it into a great overhaul. Lebby has proven his recruiting prowess over again. It's a double edged sword in my opinion though because the product on the field better reflect it. The question on him is coaching. Can he do that? With the way the two deep is looking - he's got no excuse to be under 5 wins. Schedule be damned.

[Really Clark?]

Probably not. I have a feeling I know where he is going. He is a Louisiana kid who had a good year. You can kind of connect the dots there.

He was born in Shreveport but raised in Texas.

[HoopsDawg]

We have a very solid haul already. And the makings to turn it into a great overhaul. Lebby has proven his recruiting prowess over again. It's a double edged sword in my opinion though because the product on the field better reflect it. The question on him is coaching. Can he do that? With the way the two deep is looking - he's got no excuse to be under 5 wins. Schedule be damned.

There's no double edged sword at all. You start getting the players, you start winning games. This thread is about portal recruiting.

[Tater]

Looking at the transfers out, the way I assess it:

We lost 3 guys to other SEC schools.

Crown jewel of hiring Lebby and his first class was one of them. It's a major negative to have what happened with Van Buren happen. I look at that as strike 2 towards saying he can't do this. (Strike 1 was the Toledo blowout.)

Coleman was a rental and went home. Craver wanted a payday that we didn't have the luxury to spend on. Hate it, but can't hold that against him.

Get some more OL bodies, get another 2 DBs, get another 2 WRs. Then I have optimism for 2025 into 2026. Win 5 games or more next year and 2026 looks exciting not just to fans, but to prospects as well. Don't and it would be strike 3. But up or shut up.

[Really Clark?]

Looking at the transfers out, the way I assess it:

We lost 3 guys to other SEC schools.

Crown jewel of hiring Lebby and his first class was one of them. It's a major negative to have what happened with Van Buren happen. I look at that as strike 2 towards saying he can't do this. (Strike 1 was the Toledo blowout.)

Coleman was a rental and went home. Craver wanted a payday that we didn't have the luxury to spend on. Hate it, but can't hold that against him.

Get some more OL bodies, get another 2 DBs, get another 2 WRs. Then I have optimism for 2025 into 2026. Win 5 games or more next year and 2026 looks exciting not just to fans, but to prospects as well. Don't and it would be strike 3. But up or shut up.

Completely could not disagree more concerning MVB. That's a positive for Lebby with how he handled that situation.

[FlytheW3]

WR
Cam Vaughn-Jax State
Markus Allen-Eastern Michigan
Squirrel White-Tennessee


CB
Stephen Hall-Wazzu
Denver Harris-UTSA
Michael Coats Jr-Nevada
Dwight Lewis-Marian

How are you feeling about Vaughn and Squirrel? I know Vaughn has a visit scheduled around the 6th, and we?ve made a solid offer to Squirrel.

[msu15]

Looking at the transfers out, the way I assess it:

We lost 3 guys to other SEC schools.

Crown jewel of hiring Lebby and his first class was one of them. It's a major negative to have what happened with Van Buren happen. I look at that as strike 2 towards saying he can't do this. (Strike 1 was the Toledo blowout.)

Coleman was a rental and went home. Craver wanted a payday that we didn't have the luxury to spend on. Hate it, but can't hold that against him.

Get some more OL bodies, get another 2 DBs, get another 2 WRs. Then I have optimism for 2025 into 2026. Win 5 games or more next year and 2026 looks exciting not just to fans, but to prospects as well. Don't and it would be strike 3. But up or shut up.

Van Buren is not a loss in the least

[Pancho]

MVB got way to big for his pants and I figure will end up somewhere other than LSU in a year or 2

[vv83]

Looking at the transfers out, the way I assess it:

We lost 3 guys to other SEC schools.

Crown jewel of hiring Lebby and his first class was one of them. It's a major negative to have what happened with Van Buren happen. I look at that as strike 2 towards saying he can't do this. (Strike 1 was the Toledo blowout.)

Coleman was a rental and went home. Craver wanted a payday that we didn't have the luxury to spend on. Hate it, but can't hold that against him.

Get some more OL bodies, get another 2 DBs, get another 2 WRs. Then I have optimism for 2025 into 2026. Win 5 games or more next year and 2026 looks exciting not just to fans, but to prospects as well. Don't and it would be strike 3. But up or shut up.

How can you give Lebby a strike for losing a player he wanted to upgrade (and did on paper at least)?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Looking at the transfers out, the way I assess it:

We lost 3 guys to other SEC schools.

Crown jewel of hiring Lebby and his first class was one of them. It's a major negative to have what happened with Van Buren happen. I look at that as strike 2 towards saying he can't do this. (Strike 1 was the Toledo blowout.)

Coleman was a rental and went home. Craver wanted a payday that we didn't have the luxury to spend on. Hate it, but can't hold that against him.

Get some more OL bodies, get another 2 DBs, get another 2 WRs. Then I have optimism for 2025 into 2026. Win 5 games or more next year and 2026 looks exciting not just to fans, but to prospects as well. Don't and it would be strike 3. But up or shut up.

We were far and away the best offer for Craver. His handlers thought they had more bargaining power than they did with us. He will be in the portal in 11 months once again. His handlers are going to ruin that kid.

[BigDawg81]

If Shapen never had a season ended injury, we wouldn?t even have this discussion about MVB

[MrCoachKlein]

Completely could not disagree more concerning MVB. That's a positive for Lebby with how he handled that situation.

Don't burn the taters

[MrCoachKlein]

If Shapen never had a season ended injury, we wouldn?t even have this discussion about MVB

If my aunt had nuts, she'd be my uncle.

[Brobi-wan]

If my aunt had nuts, she'd be my uncle.

But continuously crying in the club over a kid who transferred to ride the pine is stupid. He was serviceable at best. BEST. He had flashes and that was all. You don?t pin your hopes on a kid who didn?t perform better than he was expected. If he had come in during the 4th quarter of the egg bowl and won it in OT, while coming off an injury, we wouldn?t be having this conversation.

Some of y?all are willing to give MVB a pass for looking like sh!t sometimes for playing in tough games, but not willing to give Lebby the same leeway for coaching in the same game.

[Todd4State]

If Shapen never had a season ended injury, we wouldn?t even have this discussion about MVB

Truth.

[RockyDog]

But continuously crying in the club over a kid who transferred to ride the pine is stupid. He was serviceable at best. BEST. He had flashes and that was all. You don?t pin your hopes on a kid who didn?t perform better than he was expected. If he had come in during the 4th quarter of the egg bowl and won it in OT, while coming off an injury, we wouldn?t be having this conversation.

Some of y?all are willing to give MVB a pass for looking like sh!t sometimes for playing in tough games, but not willing to give Lebby the same leeway for coaching in the same game.

Yep. Those fans trying to anoint MVB a 4 year starter after a couple of starts are just delusional. Give credit to the kid for doing an admirable job against big time odds, but he showed nothing that tells you he was a game changer.

I wish we could have seen a full season of Shapen and Coleman together. He?s going to be just fine next season and make a lot of people eat their words calling him Mr Plastic

[CaptainObvious]

Yep. Those fans trying to anoint MVB a 4 year starter after a couple of starts are just delusional. Give credit to the kid for doing an admirable job against big time odds, but he showed nothing that tells you he was a game changer.

I wish we could have seen a full season of Shapen and Coleman together. He?s going to be just fine next season and make a lot of people eat their words calling him Mr Plastic

Shapen will be held together by Duct Tape if he makes it to the end of the season. He may not be plastic man, but his history says he is likely to miss games due to injury. No NFL team is going to put a guy with his history on a roster without it being as a 3rd guy free agent. Now to be fair, he cannot have Matadors in front of him like he did early this past year!

[RockyDog]

Shapen will be held together by Duct Tape if he makes it to the end of the season. He may not be plastic man, but his history says he is likely to miss games due to injury. No NFL team is going to put a guy with his history on a roster without it being as a 3rd guy free agent. Now to be fair, he cannot have Matadors in front of him like he did early this past year!

His NFL prospects mean nothing. He just needs to stay somewhat healthy and rack up yards and points for Mississippi State

[msu15]

His NFL prospects mean nothing. He just needs to stay somewhat healthy and rack up yards and points for Mississippi State

Agreed

[BigDawg81]

If my aunt had nuts, she'd be my uncle.expect in Oxford. In Oxford, if their aunt had nuts then it would still be their aunt. It is almost 2025 and anything goes now.

[Cowbell]

Yep. Those fans trying to anoint MVB a 4 year starter after a couple of starts are just delusional. Give credit to the kid for doing an admirable job against big time odds, but he showed nothing that tells you he was a game changer.

I wish we could have seen a full season of Shapen and Coleman together. He?s going to be just fine next season and make a lot of people eat their words calling him Mr Plastic

You willing to money where your mouth is on Shapen?

[Cowbell]

expect in Oxford. In Oxford, if their aunt had nuts then it would still be their aunt. It is almost 2025 and anything goes now.

This is true ya know

[DEDawg]

You willing to money where your mouth is on Shapen?

I?m interested. What?s the terms?

[RockyDog]

You willing to money where your mouth is on Shapen?

No. Because what the phuck do YOU get out of betting against your own QB? Glee? Grabbing your nuts and saying I told you so? That is stupid. I would rather see a healthy Shapen throw for 3000+ yards and a couple dozen TDs.

[CaptainObvious]

No. Because what the phuck do YOU get out of betting against your own QB? Glee? Grabbing your nuts and saying I told you so? That is stupid. I would rather see a healthy Shapen throw for 3000+ yards and a couple dozen TDs.

Me too. I hope he throws for 3000+ and runs for 300+.

[bulldawg28]

Me too. I hope he throws for 3000+ and runs for 300+.

There's no way I'd call a run play for him.

[Brobi-wan]

Is there any real possibility with that Luke K getting all the reps that he?s the starter in the fall?

[bulldawg28]

Is there any real possibility with that Luke K getting all the reps that he?s the starter in the fall?

There has to be a Qb controversy. Unless Luke is just flat out terrible there's no way he gets all the reps, performs well, and then given a clipboard to sit. Shapen hasn't beaten anyone in the SEC to solidify an automatic starter. He didn't perform like a 5th year senior last year.

[CaptainObvious]

There's no way I'd call a run play for him.
Then he isn't the QB for Lebby's offense. Who's got next?

[bulldawg28]

Then he isn't the QB for Lebby's offense. Who's got next?

The transfer and freshman. Shapen is bound to be injured with called run plays let alone scrambles on broken down pass plays.

[Todd4State]

If Shapen makes it through the season healthy I think we will have a good year. It won't be a surprise if he doesn't.

And never say never but I would be a little surprised if Kromenhoek beats him out.

[Todd4State]

There has to be a Qb controversy. Unless Luke is just flat out terrible there's no way he gets all the reps, performs well, and then given a clipboard to sit. Shapen hasn't beaten anyone in the SEC to solidify an automatic starter. He didn't perform like a 5th year senior last year.

8 TD passes, 1 INT, and a 68.9% completion percentage isn't performing like a fifth year senior?

MVB had 11 TD passes, 7 INT's and a 54.7% completion percentage for reference.

[bigbub50]

If Shapen makes it through the season healthy I think we will have a good year. It won't be a surprise if he doesn't.

And never say never but I would be a little surprised if Kromenhoek beats him out.

Kro’s shot at being a day 1 starter is lighting up in the spring if Shape can’t go. But even then, it’s an up hill battle because shape now knows this offense and kro is learning from scratch. Experience in the system is a big deal.

[Pancho]

expect in Oxford. In Oxford, if their aunt had nuts then it would still be their aunt. It is almost 2025 and anything goes now.


8 TD passes, 1 INT, and a 68.9% completion percentage isn't performing like a fifth year senior?

MVB had 11 TD passes, 7 INT's and a 54.7% completion percentage for reference.

Blake is fine if we protect. Loadholt will improve us.

[bigbub50]

Do we know for sure if kamario is an early enrollee and available for spring?

[Todd4State]

Blake is fine if we protect. Loadholt will improve us.

I'm excited about hiring him. But still concerned because I believe that Blake was injured on a scramble.

[Cowbell]

I?m interested. What?s the terms?

Shapen starts the whole season. I will give him two games off due to injury even.

[Todd4State]

Do we know for sure if kamario is an early enrollee and available for spring?

I believe he is

[DEDawg]

Shapen starts the whole season. I will give him two games off due to injury even.

Shapen starts 10 out of 12 games. If he is benched for bad play and LK becomes the starter bet voids. $100?

[KOdawg1]

It's not the fact that Shapen scrambles. It's that he scrambles and won't slide or get down. It's just the way he plays and he's proven he won't change.

[msu15]

Do we know for sure if kamario is an early enrollee and available for spring?

Yes he is

[Cowbell]

Shapen starts 10 out of 12 games. If he is benched for bad play and LK becomes the starter bet voids. $100?

No that was part of the take I disagreed with. I don't think he maintains the starter even without injury due to not being versatile enough (due to prone of injury)

[Cowbell]

No. Because what the phuck do YOU get out of betting against your own QB? Glee? Grabbing your nuts and saying I told you so? That is stupid. I would rather see a healthy Shapen throw for 3000+ yards and a couple dozen TDs.
I'm not betting against Shapen. I'm betting against your bad emotional take. I would love for him to start for us every game next season but history says I can likely make money betting against that.

[bulldawg28]

8 TD passes, 1 INT, and a 68.9% completion percentage isn't performing like a fifth year senior?

MVB had 11 TD passes, 7 INT's and a 54.7% completion percentage for reference.

What was his record as the starter before injury?

[DEDawg]

No that was part of the take I disagreed with. I don't think he maintains the starter even without injury due to not being versatile enough (due to prone of injury)

That doesn?t make sense. Lebby isn?t going to protect him, he is going to run the full offense.

[msu15]

What was his record as the starter before injury?

Better than MVB's percentage wise

[bulldawg28]

Better than MVB's percentage wise

Percentage wise? Neither were winners.

[Todd4State]

What was his record as the starter before injury?

He helped Baylor win a championship game that he started in. What was Van Buren's record?

[Todd4State]

Any interest in Noah Thomas from A&M who just entered the portal?

[bulldawg28]

He helped Baylor win a championship game that he started in. What was Van Buren's record?

He helped Baylor win a championship game. He helped Mississippi state win 1 game.

[KOdawg1]

Any interest in Noah Thomas from A&M who just entered the portal?

Lord I hope so.

Get him and Squirrel, and we'll be just fine on offense.

[RockyDog]

He helped Baylor win a championship game. He helped Mississippi state win 1 game.

Jesus Christ. He gave us over 1000 yards and 8 TDs running an offense that literally possessed the ball about 15 minutes per game. Shapen was NOT a problem

[bulldawg28]

Jesus Christ. He gave us over 1000 yards and 8 TDs running an offense that literally possessed the ball about 15 minutes per game. Shapen was NOT a problem

I never said he was a problem. However, he hasn't proven to be a savior.

[CaptainObvious]

I never said he was a problem. However, he hasn't proven to be a savior.

I'm not looking for a Savior. I have a Savior. I'm looking for a QB who can get us to 6 or 7 wins. But he has to be on the field, not the injury tent, to do that. I hope he plays the whole season. His history says it is unlikely.

[bulldawg28]

I'm not looking for a Savior. I have a Savior. I'm looking for a QB who can get us to 6 or 7 wins. But he has to be on the field, not the injury tent, to do that. I hope he plays the whole season. His history says it is unlikely.

Go back and read the prior posts. The issue is not the validity of Shapen. The question is whose the starter for 2025. If Shapen misses the entire spring training and the new Qb's excel there should be a Qb controversy.

[RockyDog]

I never said he was a problem. However, he hasn't proven to be a savior.

Nobody said they were looking for a savior. We are looking for a good Qb. Shapen is that. If he doesn?t make it thru the season then let the Kromenockle kid take over. But Shapen has proven that he can be a productive QB which is more than what we have walked into at the QB position in most of the history of MSU football.

[Todd4State]

He helped Baylor win a championship game. He helped Mississippi state win 1 game.

So same as Van Buren?

[bulldawg28]

So same as Van Buren?

Yep, both got 1 win. Terrible. Shapen sent the season down the drain losing to Toledo.

[Brobi-wan]

So same as Van Buren?

Cmon, Todd. You and I both know that MVB is going to be the second coming of JB at LSU and garner a minimum 2 mil nil deal. Lebby might as well resign when SEC play starts next year if we aren’t undefeated. ****

[bulldawg28]

Nobody said they were looking for a savior. We are looking for a good Qb. Shapen is that. If he doesn?t make it thru the season then let the Kromenockle kid take over. But Shapen has proven that he can be a productive QB which is more than what we have walked into at the QB position in most of the history of MSU football.

Shapen hasn't done anything with MSU or Baylor to be discussed in MSU history. The results haven't proved anything yet. I hope he improves and gets winning results. However he hasn't brought the results he's being paid to do. The only stats that matters are W or L's.

[Todd4State]

Yep, both got 1 win. Terrible. Shapen sent the season down the drain losing to Toledo.

And the defense gets a pass for allowing 41 points to Toledo and for keeping the ball away from our offense? Yep. All on Shapen.**

[Todd4State]

Shapen hasn't done anything with MSU or Baylor to be discussed in MSU history. The results haven't proved anything yet. I hope he improves and gets winning results. However he hasn't brought the results he's being paid to do. The only stats that matters are W or L's.

He won the MVP of the Big 12 championship game, and has taken Baylor to a bowl game as an underclassman. On top of that he has a win at Oklahoma.

The only real question is if he is healthy or not. Even if he isn't we're in a better spot with Kromenhoek than we are with MVB.

[Op4isabitch]

With all due respect guys, this is thread is for portal transfer news.

[Cowbell]

That doesn?t make sense. Lebby isn?t going to protect him, he is going to run the full offense.

He will run the offense catered specifically to him as is the case with most QBs

[Cowbell]

Yep, both got 1 win. Terrible. Shapen sent the season down the drain losing to Toledo.

Everyone seems to forget the Toledo game - and first part of Arizona State.

[Cooterpoot]

Go back and read the prior posts. The issue is not the validity of Shapen. The question is who's the starter for 2025. If Shapen misses the entire spring training and the new Qb's excel there should be a Qb controversy.

He's not missing spring unless Lebby holds him out

[DEDawg]

He will run the offense catered specifically to him as is the case with most QBs

I can guarantee you, with 100% certainty, Lebby is running his full offense for Shapen.

[Cowbell]

I can guarantee you, with 100% certainty, Lebby is running his full offense for Shapen.

Offensive schemes are polished to fit the qb. Good coaches always do this. He has the full playbook but he will run it according to Shapens strengths (no pun intended)

[Cowbell]

He's not missing spring unless Lebby holds him out

It has been suggested that he won't be ready by spring...

[BorneDawg]

Can y'all please start another thread and go measure peckers over there and leave this one for portal news! It is 133 pages there's maybe 5 on actual portal news. I don't have time to scroll thru pages of bitchin to find out who has committed

[Pancho]

what is the timetable on the few other portal guys we are onto?

[RockyDog]

Can y'all please start another thread and go measure peckers over there and leave this one for portal news! It is 133 pages there's maybe 5 on actual portal news. I don't have time to scroll thru pages of bitchin to find out who has committed

Yes we need more news about more portal guys that some of our “fans” are going to shit on

[vv83]

Can y'all please start another thread and go measure peckers over there and leave this one for portal news! It is 133 pages there's maybe 5 on actual portal news. I don't have time to scroll thru pages of bitchin to find out who has committed

just go to the first page, it literally has everyone broken out by position and date

[StarkVegasSteve]

what is the timetable on the few other portal guys we are onto?

We have visits lined up for this weekend when the dead period ends. I think Sunday may be the first day we can have visitors. Visits will begin again and be full throttle for the next 7-10 days after that.

[Todd4State]

We have visits lined up for this weekend when the dead period ends. I think Sunday may be the first day we can have visitors. Visits will begin again and be full throttle for the next 7-10 days after that.

It seems like we're bringing in a bunch of WR's and I'm guessing after that maybe some cornerbacks the next weekend.

[KB21]

Visitors when the dead period ends:
Squirrel White/WR/Tennessee
Markus Allen/WR/Eastern Michigan
Cam Vaughn/WR/Jax State
Cam Thompson/WR/Northern Illinois
Mi?Quise Grave/Edge/South Dakota
Denver Harris/CB/UTSA

[msu15]

Visitors when the dead period ends:
Squirrel White/WR/Tennessee
Markus Allen/WR/Eastern Michigan
Cam Vaughn/WR/Jax State
Cam Thompson/WR/Northern Illinois
Mi?Quise Grave/Edge/South Dakota
Denver Harris/CB/UTSA

Man we need all of these guys. I'm greedy.

[Tater]

Man we need all of these guys. I'm greedy.

All of them + 2 more OL + 2 more DBs and we'd have every right to be wooly as hell and try to recreate the ASU/Indiana blueprint with transfer success. Schedule be damned, that team would have the talent for 10+ wins. Would have a very exciting 2-deep at every position then.

[Todd4State]

All of them + 2 more OL + 2 more DBs and we'd have every right to be wooly as hell and try to recreate the ASU/Indiana blueprint with transfer success. Schedule be damned, that team would have the talent for 10+ wins. Would have a very exciting 2-deep at every position then.

I would feel that way if we got Arnold at QB. Not confident Shapen can stay healthy and because of that I would still be happy with six wins.

[Tater]

I would feel that way if we got Arnold at QB. Not confident Shapen can stay healthy and because of that I would still be happy with six wins.

5+ wins is still the bar regardless on happiness. 10+ wins is a perfect scenario pipe dream. But college football runs on hope. And this roster would give us miles and miles of hope.

I don't want some poster to come back later and say I was setting lebby up for failure by saying he should have 10 wins with that roster. I'm saying if everything broke right we could have it. I still see a team fighting for bowl eligibility realistically.

[StarkVegasSteve]

5+ wins is still the bar regardless on happiness. 10+ wins is a perfect scenario pipe dream. But college football runs on hope. And this roster would give us miles and miles of hope.

I don't want some poster to come back later and say I was setting lebby up for failure by saying he should have 10 wins with that roster. I'm saying if everything broke right we could have it. I still see a team fighting for bowl eligibility realistically.

Yea there are teams next year with definite question marks on our schedule that we could pick off if things broke right(Tennessee, OM, A&M, and Mizzou) but I am still realistic that the ceiling is probably 8 next year and the floor is probably 4. I think our floor is higher next year, which is a good thing. I also like having Kromenhoek instead of Van Buren as a backup if/when Shapen goes down. I almost would not mind getting Kromenhoek in early in games next year, at least in non con, if we were able to get a lead. I think he will have a good grasp on the offense and personnel with how many of the first team snaps he will take in the spring.

[confucius say]

All of them + 2 more OL + 2 more DBs and we'd have every right to be wooly as hell and try to recreate the ASU/Indiana blueprint with transfer success. Schedule be damned, that team would have the talent for 10+ wins. Would have a very exciting 2-deep at every position then.

What? 10 plus wins? In the regular season? No.

[Cooterpoot]

Man we need all of these guys. I'm greedy.

No we don't

[MrCoachKlein]

But continuously crying in the club over a kid who transferred to ride the pine is stupid. He was serviceable at best. BEST. He had flashes and that was all. You don?t pin your hopes on a kid who didn?t perform better than he was expected. If he had come in during the 4th quarter of the egg bowl and won it in OT, while coming off an injury, we wouldn?t be having this conversation.

Some of y?all are willing to give MVB a pass for looking like sh!t sometimes for playing in tough games, but not willing to give Lebby the same leeway for coaching in the same game.

Oh, I'm all on board with how Lebby handled the MVB situation. MVB probably rides the pine for a year or 2 and winds up in G5.

[MrCoachKlein]

NM

[KOdawg1]

Visitors when the dead period ends:
Squirrel White/WR/Tennessee
Markus Allen/WR/Eastern Michigan
Cam Vaughn/WR/Jax State
Cam Thompson/WR/Northern Illinois
Mi?Quise Grave/Edge/South Dakota
Denver Harris/CB/UTSA
Yes on Squirrel
Slight yes on Allen
Yes on Vaughn
No on Thompson
Yes on Grace
No on Harris

[Really Clark?]

Yes on Squirrel
Slight yes on Allen
Yes on Vaughn
No on Thompson
Yes on Grace
No on Harris

I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with Thompson as a return specialist. He would have been top 10 in the country if he had enough returns to qualify in the rankings. 28.3 yards per kickoff return with a 1 TD

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Everyone but Denver Harris...Hard PASS

[CaptainObvious]

I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with Thompson as a return specialist. He would have been top 10 in the country if he had enough returns to qualify in the rankings. 28.3 yards per kickoff return with a 1 TD

That guy is a unicorn. With the new kickoff rules passed a couple of years ago, a KO Return Specialist is a luxury, not a need. Well over 70% of KO are going through the end zone and most others are fair caught or end up not even getting to the 20.

Give me a punt return specialists who uses glue gloves and Velcro jerseys and isn't afraid of contact. But a KO specialist? A waste!

[Really Clark?]

Everyone but Denver Harris...Hard PASS

May I ask why? If it's his past, I agree what happened at TAM and LSU is very much a concern. Would need to be vetted but at UTSA he has been very different. The coaches reporting there he has been good in the locker room. It's not a question of talent.

[Todd4State]

What's wrong with Denver Harris?

[KOdawg1]

What's wrong with Denver Harris?

I just think there are more proven guys with less baggage available. If we swing and miss on those guys, then sure, take Harris.

[Really Clark?]

That guy is a unicorn. With the new kickoff rules passed a couple of years ago, a KO Return Specialist is a luxury, not a need. Well over 70% of KO are going through the end zone and most others are fair caught or end up not even getting to the 20.

Give me a punt return specialists who uses glue gloves and Velcro jerseys and isn't afraid of contact. But a KO specialist? A waste!

He would be both. He was their #2 punt return guy behind Patridge who was returning punt return guy for NIU

[StarkVegasSteve]

I just think there are more proven guys with less baggage available. If we swing and miss on those guys, then sure, take Harris.

Harris is a take. I can tell you that for a fact. We want to go ahead and have him in the boat so we do not have to panic if we miss on Hall.

[msu15]

No we don't

Yes, we do. A 2-10 team needs all the talent it can get.

[Really Clark?]

Harris is a take. I can tell you that for a fact. We want to go ahead and have him in the boat so we do not have to panic if we miss on Hall.

Right and Hall hasn't confirmed a visit yet. He is gonna due his due diligence but that means multiple visits for him. If Harris will commit and sign the FAA you take it right then.

[DEDawg]

I just think there are more proven guys with less baggage available. If we swing and miss on those guys, then sure, take Harris.

Who?

[KOdawg1]

Who?

Michael Coats (if he's tall enough), Stephen Hall, several others. I mean there have been several enter the portal today.

[Really Clark?]

Michael Coats (if he's tall enough), Stephen Hall, several others. I mean there have been several enter the portal today.

Yeah, I'm afraid Coats is gonna measure closer to 5'8". He wasn't 5'10" at ECCC with cleats on. Had a great year this season though.

[KOdawg1]

Harris is a take. I can tell you that for a fact.

Yeah, I'm sure that's what Steve is saying. I don't agree with that decision, as has been well documented.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yeah, I'm sure that's what Steve is saying. I don't agree with that decision, as has been well documented.

It is what he is saying along with Paul Jones and others. I do not hate it. Best case, he turns into the player he is capable of being. Worst case, he is a depth piece that is MILES better than Rogers, Raydar, Keys, or Albert.

[KOdawg1]

It is what he is saying along with Paul Jones and others. I do not hate it. Best case, he turns into the player he is capable of being. Worst case, he is a depth piece that is MILES better than Rogers, Raydar, Keys, or Albert.

We need a proven starter to be opposite of Jones. I don't think he's that guy. We'll see.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We need a proven starter to be opposite of Jones. I don't think he's that guy. We'll see.

And we are still chasing that starter. We are hard on Hall. And if we miss Hall we can circle back to Coats. I think we will be ok.

[KOdawg1]

And we are still chasing that starter. We are hard on Hall. And if we miss Hall we can circle back to Coats. I think we will be ok.

We'll see.

[Cooterpoot]

Harris is a take. I can tell you that for a fact. We want to go ahead and have him in the boat so we do not have to panic if we miss on Hall.

Hall doesn't even have a visit set up here, and I wouldn't hold my breath on him. Taking Harris is just a panic move, the guy isn't very good. Our CB recruiting is poor but that's nothing new.

[Cooterpoot]

Yes, we do. A 2-10 team needs all the talent it can get.

We can do better than a couple of those guys

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hall doesn't even have a visit set up here, and I wouldn't hold my breath on him. Taking Harris is just a panic move, the guy isn't very good. Our CB recruiting is poor but that's nothing new.

He also does not have a visit set to OM but he is going to visit there. He is visiting here. We have already agreed on his price.

[DEDawg]

Amari Jefferson in the portal. High 4 star guy that basically red shirt this year

[KOdawg1]

OT Kahlil Benson from Colorado just entered the portal. From Southaven, MS and signed with Indiana out of HS. Gotta think we've got a great shot since we just hired his position coach. He played more games at guard this year though, so I'm not really sure how much we need him.

[Todd4State]

Amari Jefferson in the portal. High 4 star guy that basically red shirt this year

Would be a good addition to the WR room.

[Todd4State]

OT Kahlil Benson from Colorado just entered the portal. From Southaven, MS and signed with Indiana out of HS. Gotta think we've got a great shot since we just hired his position coach. He played more games at guard this year though, so I'm not really sure how much we need him.

Ah yes. I remember him. I definitely remember MSU recruiting him out of high school.

[msu15]

OT Kahlil Benson from Colorado just entered the portal. From Southaven, MS and signed with Indiana out of HS. Gotta think we've got a great shot since we just hired his position coach. He played more games at guard this year though, so I'm not really sure how much we need him.

Moorhead finished second for him in his high school recruitment, he may give us a look

[Cooterpoot]

He also does not have a visit set to OM but he is going to visit there. He is visiting here. We have already agreed on his price.

He's got a visit set up at Ole Miss and NC

[Tater]

We can do better than a couple of those guys

I mean if you get both the guy you say we can do better than and the guy who is better... why would you not take both? That's what I want.

[BigDawg81]

Arkansas WR Dazmin James is visting on the 6th per Zenitz

[Cooterpoot]

I mean if you get both the guy you say we can do better than and the guy who is better... why would you not take both? That's what I want.

Because there are better available and settling ain't my thing

[Cooterpoot]

Arkansas WR Dazmin James is visting on the 6th per Zenitz

There's one better than some of those guys mentioned

[msu15]

There's one better than some of those guys mentioned

I'll trust Lebby's evaluations over yours.

[Really Clark?]

There's one better than some of those guys mentioned

Zero catches all year. He had a big catch and named MVB of the bowl game. Got injured in the game. But good for him for stepping up as a 3rd stringer. I think he has some ability and has speed. Texas Tech's pass defense was a lot worse than ours. Just caution getting caught up on 1 game. If he is our 3rd WR we get, that would be good.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Dwight Lewis, transfer CB from Marian, is probably going to be our next portal piece. This does not affect the CB board. We will just take 3 CBs now.

[Cooterpoot]

Zero catches all year. He had a big catch and named MVB of the bowl game. Got injured in the game. But good for him for stepping up as a 3rd stringer. I think he has some ability and has speed. Texas Tech's pass defense was a lot worse than ours. Just caution getting caught up on 1 game. If he is our 3rd WR we get, that would be good.

He can fly and we're looking at nobodies right now anyway. He was a first year guy too, so plenty of time.

[KOdawg1]

Dwight lewis getting predictions to end up at State.

I don't hate it. I like him better than Harris. But this means the other CB we get needs to be proven.

[Really Clark?]

He can fly and we're looking at nobodies right now anyway. He was a first year guy too, so plenty of time.

He can fly. Supposedly his best 40 is 4.29. He also had a hard time getting on the field not good route runner. He is a freshman and I don't mind taking a flyer on him. Just Cam Vaughn and Squirrel White are a lot better WR's right now.

[Todd4State]

Dwight Lewis, transfer CB from Marian, is probably going to be our next portal piece. This does not affect the CB board. We will just take 3 CBs now.

Awesome! I really like him. I know he played at D3 but you can see the raw talent that he has.

[Todd4State]

Dwight lewis getting predictions to end up at State.

I don't hate it. I like him better than Harris. But this means the other CB we get needs to be proven.

Well, Kelly Jones is proven. We also have Brumfield who can be a solid back up ST guy. Then we have the JUCO Amarien Jefferson who is one of the few JUCO's that we took who I actually think has some legit promise. If we get Harris and Lewis to go along with that- that becomes a solid group IMO.

[Todd4State]

He can fly. Supposedly his best 40 is 4.29. He also had a hard time getting on the field not good route runner. He is a freshman and I don't mind taking a flyer on him. Just Cam Vaughn and Squirrel White are a lot better WR's right now.

A guy like that could really potentially thrive in Lebby's system. There are a ton of downfield passes and we need guys with speed that can take the top off of the defense like him and Thompson.

[Tater]

Because there are better available and settling ain't my thing

It's like you ignored what I said.

You - "I don't want A, I want B."
Me - "Ok but what if you can have A and B."
You - "I'm not settling for A. I want B."

Going any further is futile.

[Todd4State]

Dwight Lewis, transfer CB from Marian, is probably going to be our next portal piece. This does not affect the CB board. We will just take 3 CBs now.

Looks like Lewis just committed

[Pancho]

sweeet

[Really Clark?]

Many are going to knock Lewis because he was NAIA and rankings. He had a ton of offers for D1 and multiple legitimate P4 offers. He can play at this level.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yep. Lewis is in the boat. Shockingly enough, Steve Robertson late to the party. Said he was not ready to call it 2 hours ago.

[MetEdDawg]

Many are going to knock Lewis because he was NAIA and rankings. He had a ton of offers for D1 and multiple legitimate P4 offers. He can play at this level.

What D1 offers did he have and did he take any visits?

ETA: Nevermind I see he got some offers from Oregon State, UTEP, Arizona, and possibly Wisconsin.

[Chuck3124]

What?s the latest on Squirrel White?

[Really Clark?]

What D1 offers did he have and did he take any visits?

ETA: Nevermind I see he got some offers from Oregon State, UTEP, Arizona, and possibly Wisconsin.

Not possibly Wisconsin, he visited there and 24 hours ago many thought that is were he would end up. He also visited Arizona besides us.

[Really Clark?]

What?s the latest on Squirrel White?

Going all over looking for nuts. May bypass the Magnolia state looking for them as well. He will take a lot of visits but don't think he visits us, I know some had confidence but I didn't have as much confidence he would visit.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Going all over looking for nuts. May bypass the Magnolia state looking for them as well. He will take a lot of visits but don't think he visits us, I know some had confidence but I didn't have as much confidence he would visit.

I do still think we get a visit. I know he wants to play closer to home. He's hoping Bama or Auburn will bite. However, I think Auburn is probably done at WR for what he is looking for, and I don't think he's a take at Bama. Now, does that mean he ends up in Maroon and White? No. I know we made him a really good offer. We're still casting a wide net.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I would not be surprised to see a couple of OM WRs jump in the portal. There's also been a ton of rumors that Bama and LSU have thrown an absolute bag at Suntarine Perkins to get in the portal. The next 5 days will be interesting to watch from their perspective.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If I had to handicap the guys right now that we're hearing a bunch about I'd probably be at:

Denver Harris-85%
Stephen Hall-50%
Michael Coats-20%, but 90% if we offer
Squirrel White-40%
Cam Thompson-75%
Markus Allen-60%
Cam Vaughn-55%
Dazmin James-55%

[StarkVegasSteve]

Just an update on our transfers out. Out of the 25 that we had transfer out:

9 went to another P4 school (4 SEC, 2 ACC, 2 Big 12, 1 Big 10)

4 went G5

3 went FCS

And 9 are still out there uncommitted

[msu15]

Just an update on our transfers out. Out of the 25 that we had transfer out:

9 went to another P4 school (4 SEC, 2 ACC, 2 Big 12, 1 Big 10)

4 went G5

3 went FCS

And 9 are still out there uncommitted

Horrendous evaluations by Leach's staff. Awful. Garbage.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Horrendous evaluations by Leach's staff. Awful. Garbage.

Well and the funny thing is, all 4 of the SEC guys were Lebby/Bump evals.

[HoopsDawg]

Well and the funny thing is, all 4 of the SEC guys were Lebby/Bump evals.

Coleman, Pollock, MVB and who?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Coleman, Pollock, MVB and who?

Pollock was Big12, TTU. The 4 SEC guys were Coleman, Craver, Van Buren, and Hudson. Hudson originally committed to Liberty but decommitted and committed to Vandy

[HoopsDawg]

Pollock was Big12, TTU. The 4 SEC guys were Coleman, Craver, Van Buren, and Hudson. Hudson originally committed to Liberty but decommitted and committed to Vandy

Ahh, good for Hudson. Craver, Coleman and Pollock only bad losses.

[RockyDog]

Ahh, good for Hudson. Craver, Coleman and Pollock only bad losses.

Good for Hudson I guess. funny that he couldn’t get on the field here. And for all the praise that Pavia got this season, and props to him, realistically he averaged less than 175 passing yards per game. Hudson gonna have a hard time getting touches there either.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Good for Hudson I guess. funny that he couldn’t get on the field here. And for all the praise that Pavia got this season, and props to him, realistically he averaged less than 175 passing yards per game. Hudson gonna have a hard time getting touches there either.

He's not. He went there because it was in the SEC and he played for Jerry Kill at NMSU before. Vandy is just taking all of those kids. He'll run into the same problem there that he did here. There's going to be better people in front of him on the depth chart.

[BigDawg81]

I do still think we get a visit. I know he wants to play closer to home. He's hoping Bama or Auburn will bite. However, I think Auburn is probably done at WR for what he is looking for, and I don't think he's a take at Bama. Now, does that mean he ends up in Maroon and White? No. I know we made him a really good offer. We're still casting a wide net. Rosebowl doubts State gets a visit

[StarkVegasSteve]

Rosebowl doubts State gets a visit

And we may not get one. I know our offer is very good. If it's true that he wants to branch out and play in a different system then I doubt we get a visit. I've said this since the beginning of him entering the portal, I don't see how he looks at the WR room at Auburn or Bama(neither of which he is a take at his price) or look at the scheme that Malzahn runs, and will run, at FSU and come to the conclusion he wouldn't be better off here. Also, he talked about wanting to be closer to home......FSU is further than Knoxville from his hometown.

[BigDawg81]

Nebraska WR Jaylen Lloyd is set to visit.
One thing is clear, Lebby wants speed

[AROB44]

Nebraska WR Jaylen Lloyd is set to visit.
One thing is clear, Lebby wants speed

Good for him.....speed is always the key.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Nebraska WR Jaylen Lloyd is set to visit.
One thing is clear, Lebby wants speed

I doubt he's a guy we push for unless we miss on a few guys.

[StarkVegasSteve]

King Mack, CB from Bama, entering the portal. Would not be surprised to see us make a move for him as well. I think he'd probably be behind a couple of guys but he is originally from Miami and Corey Bell is very highly thought of in the Miami area.

[Bdawg]

If I had to handicap the guys right now that we're hearing a bunch about I'd probably be at:

Denver Harris-85%
Stephen Hall-50%
Michael Coats-20%, but 90% if we offer
Squirrel White-40%
Cam Thompson-75%
Markus Allen-60%
Cam Vaughn-55%
Dazmin James-55%

Where is Grace? The other DL?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Where is Grace? The other DL?

Sorry. I would say he is probably at 65%.

[Todd4State]

I'm ready for this dead period to be over so we can finish off our team.

Ready to see what WR's we add and see who Loadholt can add to the o-line.

[Bdawg]

Sorry. I would say he is probably at 65%.

Good deal. Thought we may have lost him.

[Bdawg]

I'm ready for this dead period to be over so we can finish off our team.

Ready to see what WR's we add and see who Loadholt can add to the o-line.

Come on Todd, the portal is the gift that keeps on giving(or takes away). We’ve got the spring portal to negotiate too and hopefully our 2 deep doesn’t get shattered because some think they won’t start. But I get what you’re saying. I’m ready to see what we go into spring with too.

[msu15]

I'm ready for this dead period to be over so we can finish off our team.

Ready to see what WR's we add and see who Loadholt can add to the o-line.

You mean finish off our team for spring practice lol

[StarkVegasSteve]

Stephen Hall commits to Mizzou. I would expect we will put the full court press on Michael Coats Jr now.

[Really Clark?]

Stephen Hall commits to Mizzou. I would expect we will put the full court press on Michael Coats Jr now.

We are trying to get Garcia to come in to visit as a boundary CB too.

[chef dixon]

Stephen Hall commits to Mizzou. I would expect we will put the full court press on Michael Coats Jr now.

Feels like Mizzou is a pain in the ass

[StarkVegasSteve]

Feels like Mizzou is a pain in the ass

I think the Coleman thing has jaded our view of that. Coleman was going to Mizzou whether they paid him $0 or 500K. He wanted to go there out of HS, out of Jackson St, and out of Louisville. He finally got to this year because Burden left. He is not going to like it because they are not going to use him like we used him. He thinks they are going to use him like Luther Burden. Unfortunately he still fails to realize he is not Luther Burden and he never will be.

[msu15]

Feels like Mizzou is a pain in the ass

Is what it is man. 20 wins past 2 years I think?

[StarkVegasSteve]

As expected, Aydin Williams in the portal. I would expect us to be involved. Do not know to what extent though.