2021 MSU Football Recruiting Discussion Thread

[Todd4State]

As long as they put a product on the field worth playing for, I think we’ll recruit well with this staff. The WR and QB recruiting should be better than ever and they know how to use the JUCO system in MS.

I haven’t seen the slightest inkling that this staff doesn’t work their ass off in recruiting.

Their roster management seems to be much better than Dan's. Joe was OK at that. Dan's crappy roster management has hurt us the past five years or so and why we are perpetually "young" at at least 1-2 position groups on our team. I think we have basically reached a point where we have bottomed out and just need to go full on youth movement and try to build towards 2022-2023.

[KOdawg1]

Saw on Twitter where Paul is reporting that Jarquez Hunter has received an offer to play RB for us. May be something worth watching.

[ZedFedder]

Watched video of Hunter. I gotta say, he looks pretty good. Hard, physical runner. Reminds me of a Vick Ballard, Aeris Williams type.

[Todd4State]

Saw on Twitter where Paul is reporting that Jarquez Hunter has received an offer to play RB for us. May be something worth watching.

That is interesting.

[ShotgunDawg]

Watched video of Hunter. I gotta say, he looks pretty good. Hard, physical runner. Reminds me of a Vick Ballard, Aeris Williams type.

He’s actually a potential NFL talent at safety that we just have to get on campus. Let him play RB and see where it goes.

[KOdawg1]

He’s actually a potential NFL talent at safety that we just have to get on campus. Let him play RB and see where it goes.

Safety is his best position, but he's a better RB than Howard imo. So getting him on campus, giving him a chance, and then evaluating from there is a better option than taking Howard who is just a warm body. Ideally, we take Hunter and White in our RB class.

I feel for Howard because he was given the opportunity to play college ball in his home town but the truth is, Moorhead should've never given him that offer.

[ZedFedder]

Safety is his best position, but he's a better RB than Howard imo. So getting him on campus, giving him a chance, and then evaluating from there is a better option than taking Howard who is just a warm body. Ideally, we take Hunter and White in our RB class.

I feel for Howard because he was given the opportunity to play college ball in his home town but the truth is, Moorhead should've never given him that offer.

It really is baffling how he got that offer that early. When I watch him, I see a Middle Tennessee or Troy type running back.

[Todd4State]

It really is baffling how he got that offer that early. When I watch him, I see a Middle Tennessee or Troy type running back.

Probably MSU trying to prevent another AJ Brown incident in recruiting. The problem is we can't just spend a spot on whoever Starkville HS best player is if they aren't SEC caliber.

I'll be honest- I would drop Greek too. The COVID rulings in college football have changed the eligibility clock on Rogers so if we bring him in it's a wasted spot IMO. We really need another offensive lineman in this class- HS or JUCO. Really we need someone that can play center down the road.

[ShotgunDawg]

Safety is his best position, but he's a better RB than Howard imo. So getting him on campus, giving him a chance, and then evaluating from there is a better option than taking Howard who is just a warm body. Ideally, we take Hunter and White in our RB class.

I feel for Howard because he was given the opportunity to play college ball in his home town but the truth is, Moorhead should've never given him that offer.

Good stuff. Tough luck for Howard, but the reality is that by signing with Memphis, ULL, Tulane, etc he's got a much better chance of playing and reaching his ceiling.

[ShotgunDawg]

It really is baffling how he got that offer that early. When I watch him, I see a Middle Tennessee or Troy type running back.

I don't think we should offer Starkville kids until we're absolutely sure.

[Todd4State]

I don't think we should offer Starkville kids until we're absolutely sure.

We shouldn't do that with any kids. And yes, I understand that sometimes misevaluations are going to occur but still.

[1bigdawg]

I'll be honest- I would drop Greek too. The COVID rulings in college football have changed the eligibility clock on Rogers so if we bring him in it's a wasted spot IMO. We really need another offensive lineman in this class- HS or JUCO. Really we need someone that can play center down the road.

We still need to have 3 Scholarship QBs on campus. I am ok with Greek.

[Bothrops]

Saw on Twitter where Paul is reporting that Jarquez Hunter has received an offer to play RB for us. May be something worth watching.

Hunter isn't an SEC rb either, imo. He is a good looking athlete though, and all for him committing. If we can't get White, I'd just assume take Howard and try again next year.

[KOdawg1]

Hunter isn't an SEC rb either, imo. He is a good looking athlete though, and all for him committing. If we can't get White, I'd just assume take Howard and try again next year.

Hunter is better than Howard.

[ShotgunDawg]

Hunter is better than Howard.

And he provides position flexibility at safety

[msu15]

Hunter isn't an SEC rb either, imo. He is a good looking athlete though, and all for him committing. If we can't get White, I'd just assume take Howard and try again next year.

Just "taking Howard and trying again next year" is what got Mullen into the awful roster composition that we experienced starting mid way through his tenure. Totally wrong strategy

[ShotgunDawg]

With the new transfer portal, you're an idiot to take an non-SEC talent.

[Todd4State]

Just "taking Howard and trying again next year" is what got Mullen into the awful roster composition that we experienced starting mid way through his tenure. Totally wrong strategy

Actually the problem is he wouldn't take people at position groups for a year or two. And his last classes were too JUCO heavy.

https://247sports.com/college/mississippi-state/Season/2017-Football/Commits/

Here we see a class with 21 commits. 9 are JUCO guys. 8 defensive linemen Only one HS offensive lineman that even got into school- and he is a non-contributor. The other two were known grade risks. One WR. Just a complete shit show of a class.

[Todd4State]

https://247sports.com/college/mississippi-state/Season/2021-Football/Commits/

Now let's compare our current class.

2 QB's. Again I would drop Greek. The other is a four star and will be our QB of the future.
1 RB and we probably drop him but will probably add one.
4 WR's- maybe a fifth if we can pull a miracle with Deion. Two four stars and fills needs.
4 OL- Two are HS and I'm sure we will add another and now we have the 2 JUCO's to try to help fill in a spot of need to go with our core of Cross, Smith, and Dollar Bill which is needed to even things out.
1 DL- We do need to add more but we also have to keep in mind that the state is loaded with DL for 2022 and we also have Cooley and Banks on the roster already as well. Hopefully we add Ty Cooper.
4 LB's- Two JUCO's that can help out and one has three years of eligibility to go with Brule. The high school guys may be EDGE rushers types. I'd like to add John Lewis from Germantown.
4 DB's- All high school guys and Daniels and Ellington are legit. Toles has really good speed. Need to flip Calloway back.

Anyway- THIS is how recruiting classes are supposed to look as far as numbers go. And yes, I know that this is a work in progress but we'll sign at least 25 and there will be adjustments here and there but we are at the point where we only have to fill a couple of spots to make sure needs are met and the rest are for immediate needs to bridge the gaps.

[msu15]

Actually the problem is he wouldn't take people at position groups for a year or two. And his last classes were too JUCO heavy.

https://247sports.com/college/mississippi-state/Season/2017-Football/Commits/

Here we see a class with 21 commits. 9 are JUCO guys. 8 defensive linemen Only one HS offensive lineman that even got into school- and he is a non-contributor. The other two were known grade risks. One WR. Just a complete shit show of a class.

Actually both were problems. Alec Murphy, Dontavian Lee, Cole Carter, Daniel Knox, Nick Redmond etc. all say hello and I could keep going on and on.

[Uncle Ruckus]

https://247sports.com/college/mississippi-state/Season/2021-Football/Commits/

Now let's compare our current class.

2 QB's. Again I would drop Greek. The other is a four star and will be our QB of the future.
1 RB and we probably drop him but will probably add one.
4 WR's- maybe a fifth if we can pull a miracle with Deion. Two four stars and fills needs.
4 OL- Two are HS and I'm sure we will add another and now we have the 2 JUCO's to try to help fill in a spot of need to go with our core of Cross, Smith, and Dollar Bill which is needed to even things out.
1 DL- We do need to add more but we also have to keep in mind that the state is loaded with DL for 2022 and we also have Cooley and Banks on the roster already as well. Hopefully we add Ty Cooper.
4 LB's- Two JUCO's that can help out and one has three years of eligibility to go with Brule. The high school guys may be EDGE rushers types. I'd like to add John Lewis from Germantown.
4 DB's- All high school guys and Daniels and Ellington are legit. Toles has really good speed. Need to flip Calloway back.

Anyway- THIS is how recruiting classes are supposed to look as far as numbers go. And yes, I know that this is a work in progress but we'll sign at least 25 and there will be adjustments here and there but we are at the point where we only have to fill a couple of spots to make sure needs are met and the rest are for immediate needs to bridge the gaps.

Yeah. Let's drop Greek and have two scholarship QBs on the roster next year, both being classified as freshman.

[msu15]

Yeah. Let's drop Greek and have two scholarship QBs on the roster next year, both being classified as freshman.

Yea dropping Greek makes no sense

[Tripp McNeely]

Yeah. Let's drop Greek and have two scholarship QBs on the roster next year, both being classified as freshman.

Dont forget the Vandy transfer

[ZedFedder]

Dont forget the Vandy transfer

I don’t really consider him as having a shot to play.

[Tripp McNeely]

I don’t really consider him as having a shot to play.

Of course not...but hes your 3rd string QB next year, not Greek. Greek could be dropped

[Westdawg]

What OL did we just add today/this week to the '21 commit list ? Emmerick posted on twitter about it....

[KOdawg1]

What OL did we just add today/this week to the '21 commit list ? Emmerick posted on twitter about it....

Carson Williams. 6'4, 295 lb tackle from MGCCC. He's originally front Scott Central in Forest. Not a lot of good offers but that seems to be the norm with our OL recruiting this year.

[Bothrops]

Just "taking Howard and trying again next year" is what got Mullen into the awful roster composition that we experienced starting mid way through his tenure. Totally wrong strategy

Not in this particular case, unless we feel like we will be losing another RB off the roster to the portal. I dont think dropping Howard in order to get Hunter as the RB for this class is worth the looks, or the yield. We gave 3 talented running backs left on the roster. I'd like Hunter as a defensive prospect.

[ZedFedder]

Not in this particular case, unless we feel like we will be losing another RB off the roster to the portal. I dont think dropping Howard in order to get Hunter as the RB for this class is worth the looks, or the yield. We gave 3 talented running backs left on the roster. I'd like Hunter as a defensive prospect.

Plus, we can’t run this risk of ticking off Starkville with what they produce year in and out.

[KOdawg1]

Plus, we can’t run this risk of ticking off Starkville with what they produce year in and out.

We've taken plenty of kids from Starkville that were iffy. If not taking this one pisses them off, then oh well. We've been more than fair to SHS

[ShotgunDawg]

We've taken plenty of kids from Starkville that were iffy. If not taking this one pisses them off, then oh well. We've been more than fair to SHS

This. We've been more than fair to Starkville HS and owe them absolutely nothing. We've take a number of their players who only had G5 offers.

[msu15]

Not in this particular case, unless we feel like we will be losing another RB off the roster to the portal. I dont think dropping Howard in order to get Hunter as the RB for this class is worth the looks, or the yield. We gave 3 talented running backs left on the roster. I'd like Hunter as a defensive prospect.

Totally disagree. Taking players that are not SEC caliber, regardless of where they are from, is what keeps the divide growing between us and the top teams in the SEC.

[msbulldog]

Totally disagree. Taking players that are not SEC caliber, regardless of where they are from, is what keeps the divide growing between us and the top teams in the SEC.

Simple answer, do not offer a Mississippi player unless you are ready to give a scholarship.

[Todd4State]

It's a lot more difficult for us to pull a blue chip that's out of state. Leach getting three four star guys out of state is something that hasn't happened for us in awhile.

Our core group is always going to come from Mississippi. The problem is Mississippi's population. Hard to fill out a full team like LSU can from their state.

[Todd4State]

Totally disagree. Taking players that are not SEC caliber, regardless of where they are from, is what keeps the divide growing between us and the top teams in the SEC.

The biggest problem I see is roster management. Dan left a lot of gaps that have plagued us for years and he never could seem to catch up. Not sure he knew how or really cared either. He made the same mistakes Jackie did with too many JUCO's and that catches up to you. That has resulted in us being young in spots. And with guys getting kicked off or are struggling we're even younger. We need to keep filling spots- Joe did a better job of this than Dan but we all know his issues with discipline which led to a terrible team culture.

[maroonmania]

Simple answer, do not offer a Mississippi player unless you are ready to give a scholarship.

When a coaching staff changes, all bets should be off on previous scholarship offers. You can't handcuff a new coach with making him honor offers from the previous coach if the new coach believes a player previously offered is not going to help his program. I mean you are going to dog a coach for losing but yet force him to sign players he doesn't really want so that no HS gets offended?

[HailStateSZN19]

It’s slipping up to November now. Insiders, who do y’all feel like we close with? And how many spots do we have to fill with all the recent departures?

[KOdawg1]

Been quiet around here, but with 5 weeks until the first signing day, here's an update on where we stand:

21 commitments with a class ranked 24th by 247.

QB: 2 committed;Done

RB: 1 committed; Jarquez Hunter, Jaylin White, and Ahmonte Watkins are candidates to take 1 spot. As I've said, if it were up to me, I'd drop Amarion Howard and sign two of those 3 guys I mentioned, but that's just me.

WR: 4 committed; Likely done-- you take Deion if he wants back in, but it's sounding doubtful; Buckhaulter is a flip candidate to OM, but he's staying steady so far. IF he does flip, then we go flip Kanarius Johnson from Tulane, and I won't lose any sleep over Buckhaulter

OL: 4 committed; 1 more spot-- Recent Minnesota de-commitment Austin Barber is a target for that last spot

DL: 1 committed; 2 more spots, but you'll likely see us go after DL in the transfer portal too; Ty Cooper, Jaden Jones, Demarcus Smith, Deonte Anderson, Zykieus Strong, and Isaiah Iton are some names to watch here; I'd like to get one high school guy and one juco guy if we could

LB: 4 committed; maybe 1 more?-- John Lewis is a name that's blown up lately; we're in it but it's still early

CB: 2 committed; 1 more spot-- it's actually only 1 committed but Cortez Eatmon likely won't be a part of this class, leaving you Brenden Toles; Marvin Covington (https://247sports.com/player/marvin-covington-46110011/) is a new name; don't know that many others

S: 3 committed; 1 more spot-- Kadarius Calloway, Jardin Gilbert, and CJ Taylor are the main candidates here; Calloway and Gilbert aren't looking as positive as they were a few weeks back

[FISHDAWG]

Thanks KO ... appreciate the effort. It's also nice to divert our attention to the future instead of the present sometimes. I know we are ALL pulling for Leach and I hope these are his type of guys ... I REALLY hope he shows a cynical old bastard like me that he was right all along

[Todd4State]

Been quiet around here, but with 5 weeks until the first signing day, here's an update on where we stand:

21 commitments with a class ranked 24th by 247.

QB: 2 committed;Done

RB: 1 committed; Jarquez Hunter, Jaylin White, and Ahmonte Watkins are candidates to take 1 spot. As I've said, if it were up to me, I'd drop Amarion Howard and sign two of those 3 guys I mentioned, but that's just me.

WR: 4 committed; Likely done-- you take Deion if he wants back in, but it's sounding doubtful; Buckhaulter is a flip candidate to OM, but he's staying steady so far. IF he does flip, then we go flip Kanarius Johnson from Tulane, and I won't lose any sleep over Buckhaulter

OL: 4 committed; 1 more spot-- Recent Minnesota de-commitment Austin Barber is a target for that last spot

DL: 1 committed; 2 more spots, but you'll likely see us go after DL in the transfer portal too; Ty Cooper, Jaden Jones, Demarcus Smith, Deonte Anderson, Zykieus Strong, and Isaiah Iton are some names to watch here; I'd like to get one high school guy and one juco guy if we could

LB: 4 committed; maybe 1 more?-- John Lewis is a name that's blown up lately; we're in it but it's still early

CB: 2 committed; 1 more spot-- it's actually only 1 committed but Cortez Eatmon likely won't be a part of this class, leaving you Brenden Toles; Marvin Covington (https://247sports.com/player/marvin-covington-46110011/) is a new name; don't know that many others

S: 3 committed; 1 more spot-- Kadarius Calloway, Jardin Gilbert, and CJ Taylor are the main candidates here; Calloway and Gilbert aren't looking as positive as they were a few weeks back

I think you nailed it. I would say that Walley is a candidate to take a spot at cornerback.

[Cooterpoot]

I think RB ends up Hunter and White.
We aren't interested in Johnson at WR. I don't believe. He's not even the best WR in the Pine Belt area IMO.
Barber is waiting til Feb. He's starting to collect offers. Doubt we pull him but he's the best on the board.
DL looks like first come, first served but I don't expect Cooper to be that guy.
Not sure we take another safety unless it's Calloway. And he's not likely. Could be a best available situation. Buck could end up a safety too.

[Todd4State]

I think RB ends up Hunter and White.
We aren't interested in Johnson at WR. I don't believe. He's not even the best WR in the Pine Belt area IMO.
Barber is waiting til Feb. He's starting to collect offers. Doubt we pull him but he's the best on the board.
DL looks like first come, first served but I don't expect Cooper to be that guy.
Not sure we take another safety unless it's Calloway. And he's not likely. Could be a best available situation. Buck could end up a safety too.

I agree for the most part. I think we are waiting on Hunter to commit once he sees what offers he has and same with Watkins. That won't be clear until February. We need to find another offensive lineman in the worst way. Luke Jackson and McMillion getting what amounts to a sixth year potentially may help soften the blow and gives us some flexibility to get a JUCO guy if that is the best available.

[msu15]

I agree for the most part. I think we are waiting on Hunter to commit once he sees what offers he has and same with Watkins. That won't be clear until February. We need to find another offensive lineman in the worst way. Luke Jackson and McMillion getting what amounts to a sixth year potentially may help soften the blow and gives us some flexibility to get a JUCO guy if that is the best available.
*Grant Jackson

[Ari Gold]

Plus, we can?t run this risk of ticking off Starkville with what they produce year in and out.

Over the last 15 years name the players SHS has put in power 5 football and how many of those were difference makers ...
Btw this list will be small....

[Todd4State]

*Grant Jackson

Thanks my bad!

[Todd4State]

Over the last 15 years name the players SHS has put in power 5 football and how many of those were difference makers ...
Btw this list will be small....

Willie Gay and AJ Brown. Well when Gay wasn't suspended.

[Ari Gold]

Willie Gay and AJ Brown. Well when Gay wasn't suspended.

You can throw Kobe in there .. solid player..
so let’s don’t think Starkville is a pipeline of SEC players..
and just my opinion, but a Howard will never be a factor here and would best suite himself and us if he moved on.. nothing against the kid just saying..

[KOdawg1]

I think RB ends up Hunter and White.
We aren't interested in Johnson at WR. I don't believe. He's not even the best WR in the Pine Belt area IMO.
Barber is waiting til Feb. He's starting to collect offers. Doubt we pull him but he's the best on the board.
DL looks like first come, first served but I don't expect Cooper to be that guy.
Not sure we take another safety unless it's Calloway. And he's not likely. Could be a best available situation. Buck could end up a safety too.

Well if we aren't interested in Johnson, then maybe Keon Coleman would be a name of interest. He's a name that hasn't been brought up in awhile. He decommitted from Kansas awhile back. I know OM is on him hard.

[KOdawg1]

You can throw Kobe in there .. solid player..
so let’s don’t think Starkville is a pipeline of SEC players..
and just my opinion, but a Howard will never be a factor here and would best suite himself and us if he moved on.. nothing against the kid just saying..


Yeah, Howard isn't an SEC back. The only people who will tell you he is are from Starkville. We can thank Moorhead for that one.

[Homedawg]

Yeah, Howard isn't an SEC back. The only people who will tell you he is are from Starkville. We can thank Moorhead for that one.

I'm from Starkville and he's not an sec back.... and yes that's on moorhead.

[Bothrops]

Looks like Nabers is about to flip. Not sure where we go from here because we aren't getting a suitable replacement.

[msu15]

Looks like Nabers is about to flip. Not sure where we go from here because we aren't getting a suitable replacement.

Keon Coleman would be more than suitable

[Bothrops]

Keon Coleman would be more than suitable

Is he that SEC ready?

[KOdawg1]

Is he that SEC ready?

No. I'd be fine with us taking him, but we need immediate help. I'd use it on a grad transfer

[Cooterpoot]

I'd use it somewhere else if he does leave. Ol,DB, DL

[ShotgunDawg]

Looks like Nabers is about to flip. Not sure where we go from here because we aren't getting a suitable replacement.

Seems like LSU wants Nabers as a DB and May be lying to him about playing WR just to get him.

Again, LSU trying to get Nabers like this is the exact reason schollies need to be cut down. They literally have no need for him other than trying trying to fill out their class

[msu15]

Seems like LSU wants Nabers as a DB and May be lying to him about playing WR just to get him.

Again, LSU trying to get Nabers like this is the exact reason schollies need to be cut down. They literally have no need for him other than trying trying to fill out their class

70 scholarship limit?

[ShotgunDawg]

70 scholarship limit?

70-75

[ZedFedder]

Can’t blame him.

[Todd4State]

I'd use it somewhere else if he does leave. Ol,DB, DL

Well Eatmon isn't going to be in the class so there's a spot there. I think we need receivers too though. I wouldn't be against taking Coleman with or without Nabors honestly.

[ShotgunDawg]

Can’t blame him.

I don’t blame him unless he’s getting lied to. I do blame a system though that allows LSU to have room to sign a player they have no use for.

[Heydawg]

Just offered this WR. South Carolina commit

https://twitter.com/rodarius_thomas/status/1328373391771004936?s=21

[FISHDAWG]

Just offered this WR. South Carolina commit

https://twitter.com/rodarius_thomas/status/1328373391771004936?s=21

he might be re-thinking his commitment now for sure

[FISHDAWG]

I probably missed something but who is this ? He tweeted an appreciation for an opportunity to play for Miss State and on another tweet before that he says he's entered the transfer portal

see below

[FISHDAWG]

sorry ... try this one

https://twitter.com/jkris_7/status/1318758751143399425

[msu15]

He's walking on. Good add, we needed another body.

[KOdawg1]

Since rankings are essentially a wash with no camps this year, I listed all of our commits and their offers to give you a better look at the kind of quality we currently have (I didn't list Cortez Eatmon bc the likelihood of him being in this class is low)

QB:

Sawyer Robertson, Lubbock, TX
4*
16 offers, 10 P5 offers, 2 SEC offers

Daniel Greek, Argyle, TX
3*
17 offers, 8 P5 offers, 3 SEC offers

RB:

Amarion Howard, Starkville, MS
3*
3 offers, 1 P5 offer, 1 SEC offer

WR:

Theodore Knox, Woodlands, TX
4*
20 offers, 12 P5 offers, 5 SEC offers

Malik Nabers, Youngsville, LA
4*
32 offers, 24 P5 offers, 8 SEC offers

Jacobi Moore, Gulfport, MS
3*
7 offers, 5 P5 offers, 3 SEC offers

Brandon Buckhaulter, Jackson, MS
3*
6 offers, 5 P5 offers, 3 SEC offers

OL:

Makylan Pounders, Byhalia, MS
3*
11 offers, 6 P5 offers, 5 SEC offers

Nick Jones, EMCC
3*
11 offers, 2 P5 offers, 1 SEC offer

Carson Williams, MGCCC
Not ranked
6 offers, 1 P5 offer, 1 SEC offer

Gabe Cavazos, Lake Cormorant, MS
3*
5 offers, 1 P5 offer, 1 SEC offer

DL:

Trevon Marshall, Stockbridge, GA
3*
4 offers, 1 P5 offer, 1 SEC offer

LB:

Deshawn Page, EMCC
3*
9 offers, 5 P5 offers, 1 SEC offer

Navonteque Strong, MGCCC
3*
12 offers, 5 P5 offers, 2 SEC offers

Timar Rogers, Deland, FL
3*
28 offers, 12 P5 offers, 3 SEC offers

Nic Mitchell, Jacksonville, FL
3*
14 offers, 2 P5 offers, 1 SEC offer

DB:

MJ Daniels, Lucedale, MS
247 4*
13 offers, 10 P5 offers, 7 SEC offers,

Myzel Williams, Deland, FL
3*
30 offers, 8 P5 offers, 3 SEC offers

Corey Ellington, Lexington, MS
3*
9 offers, 3 P5 offers, 2 SEC offers

Brendan Toles, Oxford, MS
3*
9 offers, 1 P5 offer, 1 SEC offer

[msugolf]

If we lose Nabers then this class will be extremely underwhelming as for playmakers. He's a better prospect than Knox despite their rankings.

[ShotgunDawg]

If we lose Nabers then this class will be extremely underwhelming as for playmakers. He's a better prospect than Knox despite their rankings.

Gotta see who we replace him with. I think Leach will get good WRs here.

I've like what I've seen from Jacobi Moore on film. I'm also hopeful that we can somehow, someway get Deion.

[KOdawg1]

Gotta see who we replace him with. I think Leach will get good WRs here.

I've like what I've seen from Jacobi Moore on film. I'm also hopeful that we can somehow, someway get Deion.

I think the Deion ship has sailed.

Moore should be a 4 star. He's a game-changer.

I want to see us go out and get a grad transfer WR, but if we have a spot for a HS one, I'd like us to consider Antonio Harmon. His speed isn't going to blow you away, but he's got a big frame and would be a physical force in the red zone. I know Leach prefers the shifty, quick WRs, but Harmon is a good players that's just sitting out there.

[ShotgunDawg]

I think the Deion ship has sailed.

Moore should be a 4 star. He's a game-changer.

I want to see us go out and get a grad transfer WR, but if we have a spot for a HS one, I'd like us to consider Antonio Harmon. His speed isn't going to blow you away, but he's got a big frame and would be a physical force in the red zone. I know Leach prefers the shifty, quick WRs, but Harmon is a good players that's just sitting out there.

I think the Deion ship has likely sailed as well, but that doesn't mean we can't get back into it. Hopefully we figure something out.

Harmon doesn't fit this offense in any way. We need quick guys, not big guys.

[KOdawg1]

Harmon doesn't fit this offense in any way. We need quick guys, not big guys.

Disagree. I think the majority of your guys need to be quick. Every coach in America will tell you they want "quick" guys. But I think there's a place in this offense for a possession WR that you can throw 50/50 balls to and can use his body to shield defenders off for short yards. I don't agree that Harmon couldn't fit this offense. I'm aware that Leach hasn't typically used these guys, but this is an adaptation he could make.

[FISHDAWG]

I think the Deion ship has likely sailed as well, but that doesn't mean we can't get back into it. Hopefully we figure something out.

Harmon doesn't fit this offense in any way. We need quick guys, not big guys.

I wouldn't mind a big tight end type receiver ... one who a safety or linebacker can't tear the ball away from ....or a bigger body to catch that 4 yard pass in front of waiting linebackers. Hell, I wished we would go back to a conventional tight end

[msu15]

I wouldn't mind a big tight end type receiver ... one who a safety or linebacker can't tear the ball away from ....or a bigger body to catch that 4 yard pass in front of waiting linebackers. Hell, I wished we would go back to a conventional tight end

I miss tight ends and fullbacks

[Madisonmd]

I miss tight ends and fullbacks

I miss a running game!

[FISHDAWG]

I miss tight ends and fullbacks

lol ... I do too but even Mullen used a full back in only his first year ... We used to get a lot of production from the tight end and I think it would slow some LB's down - at the very least it would probably bring opposing defenses up to at least 4 linemen and possibly change some of the zone coverage a little

[Todd4State]

I think the Deion ship has sailed.

Moore should be a 4 star. He's a game-changer.

I want to see us go out and get a grad transfer WR, but if we have a spot for a HS one, I'd like us to consider Antonio Harmon. His speed isn't going to blow you away, but he's got a big frame and would be a physical force in the red zone. I know Leach prefers the shifty, quick WRs, but Harmon is a good players that's just sitting out there.

I think we sort of agree. I'd like to keep Nabors and the guys we currently have and add Keon Coleman. If we get a grad transfer it needs to be a true slot guy like a Jameon Lewis.

[Cooterpoot]

We have no interest in Harmon. Harmon was overrated. Grew into a TE.

[KOdawg1]

We have no interest in Harmon. Harmon was overrated. Grew into a TE.

We're still in contact with him so "no interest" is incorrect. He's not high-priority, but you don't stay in contact with guys you have no interest in. I will agree that he was overrated initially. He was getting comps to DK Metcalf which was just really unfair to him. He's not close to the physical freak DK is.

[msu15]

lol ... I do too but even Mullen used a full back in only his first year ... We used to get a lot of production from the tight end and I think it would slow some LB's down - at the very least it would probably bring opposing defenses up to at least 4 linemen and possibly change some of the zone coverage a little

I hear you but he used fullbacks through the 2012(year 4 season). Patrick Hanrahan a lot in 2009 and 10, Sylvester Hemphill and Adrian Marcus platoon in 2011 and 12.

[Todd4State]

I hear you but he used fullbacks through the 2012(year 4 season). Patrick Hanrahan a lot in 2009 and 10, Sylvester Hemphill and Adrian Marcus platoon in 2011 and 12.

I really have no idea why he went 100% away from it. You would think it would be easy to find some kid in Mississippi that grew up a MSU fan that would be willing to walk-on and fill the spot and do a decent job.

[BrunswickDawg]

I really have no idea why he went 100% away from it. You would think it would be easy to find some kid in Mississippi that grew up a MSU fan that would be willing to walk-on and fill the spot and do a decent job.

Or flex a TE or big WR like Malcolm Johnson into that spot for a couple of plays. I mention Johnson specifically because he played FB for Cleveland for 2 seasons.

[Hambone]

Brandan Toles has decommitted

[Irondawg]

That one has seemed to catch the 24/7 guys totally off guard although. The first reaction would be an OM offer (since he's from Oxford) but they're saying that's not the case. ARK and Auburn have made a habit of screwing with our CB board last minute the past few years so I could see one of them with a late offer. FSU pokes around MS a good bit lately or my crazy guess is Freeze is already starting to do some recruiting from wherever he's headed.

[ShotgunDawg]

My guess is that with Toles, it's that time of year, with the December signing period, where coaches have to make real decisions on whether or not they want to sign a player early.

With the transfer portal, you simply can't take the same developmental players you have in the past when you could use that spot for an immediate contributor out of the portal.

As more guys declare for the transfer portal, our options are becoming more clear & room much be made.

[Irondawg]

The rumor was early though that the staff really liked him and thought he was really underrated by the services. Maybe something changed, maybe it didn't. Almost nothing surprises me at this point.

[ShotgunDawg]

The rumor was early though that the staff really liked him and thought he was really underrated by the services. Maybe something changed, maybe it didn't. Almost nothing surprises me at this point.

That was before SR film or maybe the coaches believe they can get a kid that is better.

Maybe it isn't that they didn't like Toles but rather they like someone else better.

[msbulldog]

We don't need to be dropping Mississippi kids, if that's what happened, burned bridges.

[Todd4State]

We don't need to be dropping Mississippi kids, if that's what happened, burned bridges.

Based on the tweet I don't think that's the case because he said he discussed it with his family.

[Cooterpoot]

We don't need to be dropping Mississippi kids, if that's what happened, burned bridges.

Meh, if they aren't good enough there's no issue. We found a better player.

[msu15]

We don't need to be dropping Mississippi kids, if that's what happened, burned bridges.

Wrong. Again, taking kids that we shouldn't have it why our roster has been a mess the last few years.

[Irondawg]

Well the basic message now is that he was dropped in some way. History has been kind to us here as I don't remember really anybody we parted ways with ending up in sellers remorse.

I do hate it when it happens to these kids though.

[ShotgunDawg]

Based on the tweet I don't think that's the case because he said he discussed it with his family.

I don't think we said "you're dropped" but we may have said " you probably won't play for 3 years"

Either way, my guess is that the staff is glad to have the scholarship back to use on a more immediate contributor.

[ShotgunDawg]

We don't need to be dropping Mississippi kids, if that's what happened, burned bridges.

eh. You've got to make the right decision. We shouldn't offer an Mississippi kid until we're sure though

[msbulldog]

Wrong. Again, taking kids that we shouldn't have it why our roster has been a mess the last few years.

If he wasn't good enough we shouldn't have taken his commitment.

[ShotgunDawg]

If he wasn't good enough we shouldn't have taken his commitment.

Evaluation is really hard. Those that don't understand that sound ridiculous with these types of comments.

[HoopsDawg]

The rumor was early though that the staff really liked him and thought he was really underrated by the services. Maybe something changed, maybe it didn't. Almost nothing surprises me at this point.

that was the narrative pushed by guys that charge a fee for info.

[Bothrops]

Toles has pretty good stats and has speed. The fact that he was a 79 is ridiculous, but all the recruiting services have sold out now.

[Cooterpoot]

Toles has pretty good stats and has speed. The fact that he was a 79 is ridiculous, but all the recruiting services have sold out now.

Who are his offers? Because that's a better way to understand the odds he pans out. Last check, we were it as far as P5 offers but I might have missed something.

[msbulldog]

Evaluation is really hard. Those that don't understand that sound ridiculous with these types of comments.

I'm not going to respond to you Gun, because it would just initiate another argument with you that just goes on and on, It's this that makes it very hard to enjoy ED.

[Bothrops]

Who are his offers? Because that's a better way to understand the odds he pans out. Last check, we were it as far as P5 offers but I might have missed something.

Well...let's see he's sub 4.5 kid that has multiple interceptions on the season playing 5a ball. I don’t know why he doesn't have more offers.

[ShotgunDawg]

I'm not going to respond to you Gun, because it would just initiate another argument with you that just goes on and on, It's this that makes it very hard to enjoy ED.

Sorry to hurt your feelings. I just call it like is. Evaluation is hard.

[ShotgunDawg]

Well...let's see he's sub 4.5 kid that has multiple interceptions on the season playing 5a ball. I don’t know why he doesn't have more offers.

I honestly don't get it either. I think he's a little stiff in the hips, but surprised he doesn't have more offers

[Cooterpoot]

Well...let's see he's sub 4.5 kid that has multiple interceptions on the season playing 5a ball. I don’t know why he doesn't have more offers.

Great CBs are hard to find. Somebody would've found him by now. I've said from day one he was a G5 guy. No offers and a low ranking back that up.

[Bothrops]

Great CBs are hard to find. Somebody would've found him by now. I've said from day one he was a G5 guy. No offers and a low ranking back that up.

Must be something else.

[Cooterpoot]

His options are Sunbelt, CUSA, and Memphis. No P5 offers. I don't see the argument that he's an SEC guy when that's all he's got. Certainly, kids like that can prove people wrong, but on the surface, he's not a P5 guy. I think we've got a couple more of those on our list too, that could get shown the door before signing day.

[ShotgunDawg]

His options are Sunbelt, CUSA, and Memphis. No P5 offers. I don't see the argument that he's an SEC guy when that's all he's got. Certainly, kids like that can prove people wrong, but on the surface, he's not a P5 guy. I think we've got a couple more of those on our list too, that could get shown the door before signing day.

Hopefully they do get shown the door. With the transfer portal rules, you can't afford to take non SEC players when that scholly could be used for an immediate impact transfer

[KOdawg1]

His options are Sunbelt, CUSA, and Memphis. No P5 offers. I don't see the argument that he's an SEC guy when that's all he's got. Certainly, kids like that can prove people wrong, but on the surface, he's not a P5 guy. I think we've got a couple more of those on our list too, that could get shown the door before signing day.

Trevon Marshall and Amarion Howard

[Bothrops]

His options are Sunbelt, CUSA, and Memphis. No P5 offers. I don't see the argument that he's an SEC guy when that's all he's got. Certainly, kids like that can prove people wrong, but on the surface, he's not a P5 guy. I think we've got a couple more of those on our list too, that could get shown the door before signing day.

We've recruited and signed worse talents in every class. Rating doesn't mean shit in his case. Watch the film

[Cooterpoot]

We've recruited and signed worse talents in every class. Rating doesn't mean shit in his case. Watch the film

I've told you my opinion already. I've seen it. I know I've seen a few better in the 21 class in MS. I know our other offers for CB are better this round. Now, we've still got to sign them, but I have no problem going another direction.

[Bothrops]

I've told you my opinion already. I've seen it. I know I've seen a few better in the 21 class in MS. I know our other offers for CB are better this round. Now, we've still got to sign them, but I have no problem going another direction.

What's your evaluation of Toles from his film?

[HoopsDawg]

CB is one of the easiest positions to evaluate

[FISHDAWG]

His options are Sunbelt, CUSA, and Memphis. No P5 offers. I don't see the argument that he's an SEC guy when that's all he's got. Certainly, kids like that can prove people wrong, but on the surface, he's not a P5 guy. I think we've got a couple more of those on our list too, that could get shown the door before signing day.

Aren't these Leach's recruits ? ...Is he showing the door to his own recruits ? ... How long will it take to get Leach's players at this rate ? I understand changing your mind on a recruit or two because most other coaches do ... but to offer a guy with no other P5 offers is kind of a head scratcher

[BrunswickDawg]

[/B]
Aren't these Leach's recruits ? ...Is he showing the door to his own recruits ? ... How long will it take to get Leach's players at this rate ? I understand changing your mind on a recruit or two because most other coaches do ... but to offer a guy with no other P5 offers is kind of a head scratcher

There is almost always churn like this in recruiting classes. You take early commitments and a kid has a bad SR year or doesn't progress like they thought, or you find someone else who fits better. It's no different then players who decommit on their own.
Before Moorhead was fired, the 2020 class had 9 decommits. Leach is at 4 in this class (plus 1 Moorhead commit who decommited back in January).

[Cooterpoot]

[/B]
Aren't these Leach's recruits ? ...Is he showing the door to his own recruits ? ... How long will it take to get Leach's players at this rate ? I understand changing your mind on a recruit or two because most other coaches do ... but to offer a guy with no other P5 offers is kind of a head scratcher

I think it was smart. A marginal guy that you take if you can't find better.

[Cooterpoot]

What's your evaluation of Toles from his film?

Lacks the flexibility to play CB & the physicality to play safety. Has great straight line speed, but change of direction gives him trouble.
He's a good athlete that'll play college ball somewhere. Maybe he gets bigger offers between now and Feb.

[StarkVegasSteve]

So with about a month out til early signing day who do we need to close with to feel good about our class?

[FISHDAWG]

There is almost always churn like this in recruiting classes. You take early commitments and a kid has a bad SR year or doesn't progress like they thought, or you find someone else who fits better. It's no different then players who decommit on their own.
Before Moorhead was fired, the 2020 class had 9 decommits. Leach is at 4 in this class (plus 1 Moorhead commit who de-committed back in January).

I understand the churn ... Most of those JoMo decommits de-committed on their own - I'm curious how many Joe withdrew offers from though... and I know Mullen did this a lot as well but my point was why even offer a guy with no P5 offers to begin with? ... Here's to hoping Leach can see something that other teams are missing as Dan did a few times because even tho I'm skeptical at this point I'm still pulling really hard for Leach and his system to succeed

[Ari Gold]

There is another player we need to process and replace

[KOdawg1]

So with about a month out til early signing day who do we need to close with to feel good about our class?

I don't think it's so much who we need to close with, but rather who we need to keep. Gotta fight off LSU for Nabers. Have to. They don't need him, but we do. I think OM will eventually flip Buckhaulter from us. He's been in Oxford an awful lot. I think we hold onto Pounders, but we need to fight off OM on him too.

To answer your original question though, if we land 2 out of Ty Cooper, Demarcus Smith, or Jaden Jones, I think you have to feel great about that. John Lewis from Germantown is a guy who has blown up lately, so if you can win that battle vs. OM for him, then you'd feel good about that. With Toles being dropped and Eatmon MIA, you need two CBs. Marvin Covington would be a good get. Then ideally, you'd like to flip one out of Jaden Walley or Jadarrius Perkins from MGCCC.

Simply put, we need to hold on to our offensive recruits while adding a couple on the defensive side.

[BrunswickDawg]

I understand the churn ... Most of those JoMo decommits de-committed on their own - I'm curious how many Joe withdrew offers from though... and I know Mullen did this a lot as well but my point was why even offer a guy with no P5 offers to begin with? ... Here's to hoping Leach can see something that other teams are missing as Dan did a few times because even tho I'm skeptical at this point I'm still pulling really hard for Leach and his system to succeed

Sometimes it's mis-evaluation by coaches, or they calculate the class balance wrong. Or sometimes a player already on the roster develops more than you thought and the roster numbers don't work. It's an imperfect system for sure.
I would venture a guess that with our overall roster "makeover" that we have lines on guys in the portal and would rather have an experienced player vs. a developmental player and will use the spot somewhere else.

I can see why some coaches just hate recruiting though - it's a crazy way to do business.

[state66]

Why are we so interested in the South Carolina decommit Rodarius Thomas?

[KOdawg1]

Why are we so interested in the South Carolina decommit Rodarius Thomas?

In case Buckhaulter or Nabors de-commits

[state66]

In case Buckhaulter or Nabors de-commits

Would we take his commitment now then?

[KOdawg1]

Would we take his commitment now then?
Doubt it. He's signing in February so we've got time to see how things go.

[Bothrops]

Lacks the flexibility to play CB & the physicality to play safety. Has great straight line speed, but change of direction gives him trouble.
He's a good athlete that'll play college ball somewhere. Maybe he gets bigger offers between now and Feb.

Fair enough. Well I hope we can sign another CB in this class.

[Westdawg]

Here's another CB option. Kid looks good.
https://twitter.com/2lemondrejoe/status/1329104595214344195?s=21

[Ari Gold]

In case Buckhaulter or Nabors de-commits

I would take Thomas over Buckhaulter ..

[BankerDog]

CB is one of the easiest positions to evaluate

So what was your opinion on Furdge, Jaylon Reed, and Selmon?

Additionally what was your opinion on Jarrian Jones and Martin Emerson in the same class? Guarantee you thought Jones would be the star of that class and not the third best DB we had committed in that class. DJ James and Emerson were the two studs in that DB class and it sucks we lost James to Oregon.

[HailStateSZN19]

I would take Thomas over Buckhaulter ..

I personally agree with this. Buck is a bigger bodied guy who ain’t running by anybody and ain’t gonna get a lot of YAC it doesn’t seem like. And YAC, speed, and quickness seem to be pretty important for this offense, especially when we’re checking it down 7 yards or in. You gotta have guys who can catch it and get up field and make people miss. I like Buck as an outside, downfield threat (not anywhere as much as Moore though) but Thomas just seems like the type of WR we need more of.

[BankerDog]

I would take Thomas over Buckhaulter ..

USCe knows how to evaluate WRs and I trust their evals.

I dare some of you to go look back over the last few years on the 24/7 rankings for MS HS players; look at the top 10 and then keep scrolling. You?ll realize quickly that most of the state?s NFL players were in the 30s, etc. We can?t keep taking the Morrow?s, Austin Williams, etc and missing on the Omar Bayless, Jaylon Smith, Ty Fooglesburg, the kid from Vicksburg with the Colts, Cornell Armstrong, etc. Have to get back to getting football players with a love for the game.

[BankerDog]

I personally agree with this. Buck is a bigger bodied guy who ain’t running by anybody and ain’t gonna get a lot of YAC it doesn’t seem like. And YAC, speed, and quickness seem to be pretty important for this offense, especially when we’re checking it down 7 yards or in. You gotta have guys who can catch it and get up field and make people miss. I like Buck as an outside, downfield threat (not anywhere as much as Moore though) but Thomas just seems like the type of WR we need more of.

No offense to Buck, but neither he nor Deion Smith are killing MAIS competition. The best WR in the state is committed to us, Jacobi Moore.

[HailStateSZN19]

No offense to Buck, but neither he nor Deion Smith are killing MAIS competition. The best WR in the state is committed to us, Jacobi Moore.

Ehhhhhh I’m not some talent evaluator or anything but Deion is elite. There’s a pretty good sized gap between him and the 2nd best WR in the state imo. I think Jacobi Moore has a very high celling. He’s big tall and rangy to take the top off on the outside but he’s also unusually quick and fast for his size too to where he can catch and get up field and turn it into a big play.

[BankerDog]

Ehhhhhh I’m not some talent evaluator or anything but Deion is elite. There’s a pretty good sized gap between him and the 2nd best WR in the state imo. I think Jacobi Moore has a very high celling. He’s big tall and rangy to take the top off on the outside but he’s also unusually quick and fast for his size too to where he can catch and get up field and turn it into a big play.

Agree to disagree. You can ask StarkvegasSteve about my evals on Metro MS kids. Smith is going to be a lot like Heath. I would love to have him, don?t get me wrong and if Tommy was still involved with him, he?d be here. When Shay started running around with his hand out (like the AAU coach in Jackson that was involved with Kegler, etc) it was over. Shay is also the reason Jarrian left too (cousins). Unfortunately for Shay, his cousin has had a better career than he in the NFL (Khadrel Hodge)

[HailStateSZN19]

Agree to disagree. You can ask StarkvegasSteve about my evals on Metro MS kids. Smith is going to be a lot like Heath. I would love to have him, don?t get me wrong and if Tommy was still involved with him, he?d be here. When Shay started running around with his hand out (like the AAU coach in Jackson that was involved with Kegler, etc) it was over. Shay is also the reason Jarrian left too (cousins). Unfortunately for Shay, his cousin has had a better career than he in the NFL (Khadrel Hodge)

Forgive my ignorance here but who is Tommy? And what’s the connection there that if he was still involved he would be here? (Is he the HC at Provine or something? That’s just a guess)

[FISHDAWG]

Ehhhhhh I?m not some talent evaluator or anything but Deion is elite. There?s a pretty good sized gap between him and the 2nd best WR in the state imo. I think Jacobi Moore has a very high celling. He?s big tall and rangy to take the top off on the outside but he?s also unusually quick and fast for his size too to where he can catch and get up field and turn it into a big play.

Any idea which one has the better QB ?

[BankerDog]

Any idea which one has the better QB ?

Well Deion?s is a baseball commit of ours, Jackson Conn.

[ShotgunDawg]

Does anyone have any insight on Walley's brother's recruitment?

With an emerging start like Walley, it makes absolutely ZERO sense to me why we're having trouble recruiting his brother.

Is he not a take? That's the only thing that makes any sense here

[Cooterpoot]

Walley is a take. But he's not necessarily the top of the list.

[HailStateSZN19]

Walley is a take. But he's not necessarily the top of the list.

What do you think is the most likely finish to this class Cooter?

[Ari Gold]

Deion Smith is the best WR in the state .. Most talented , most upside... period

[ShotgunDawg]

Deion Smith is the best WR in the state .. Most talented , most upside... period

Any chance we can turn him?

He just seems so perfect for this offense

[Ari Gold]

Any chance we can turn him?

He just seems so perfect for this offense

If he were to flip to a team I think it would be us.. I just don’t see it happening..

I am more concerned about holding on to Knox and Nabers than if Smith can flip or not..

You have a WR core of
Heath
Tulu
Walley
Williams
And maybe Payton if he elects to come back

And mix in freshman
Knoxs
Nabers
Moore

With the 2 backs Marks and Johnson.

That’s some really nice weapons for Will ..

[Todd4State]

If he were to flip to a team I think it would be us.. I just don’t see it happening..

I am more concerned about holding on to Knox and Nabers than if Smith can flip or not..

You have a WR core of
Heath
Tulu
Walley
Williams
And maybe Payton if he elects to come back

And mix in freshman
Knoxs
Nabers
Moore

With the 2 backs Marks and Johnson.

That’s some really nice weapons for Will ..

I was impressed with Caleb Ducking's film last year. I don't know if he will be ready or not next year but I could see him helping at some point.

I would like to see us take another WR regardless.

[KOdawg1]

I am more concerned about holding on to Knox and Nabers than if Smith can flip or not..


I think Knox is solid. We seem to be weathering the storm with Nabers. Hope it continues.

[ZedFedder]

Saw where we made the final four for Ahmonte Watkins along with TAMU, TTU, and TCU. Any chance here?

https://twitter.com/ahmontewatkins/status/1330654732390641664?s=21

[ShotgunDawg]

I think Knox is solid. We seem to be weathering the storm with Nabers. Hope it continues.

Playing well like last night certainly helps I'd imagine.

[Cooterpoot]

Saw where we made the final four for Ahmonte Watkins along with TAMU, TTU, and TCU. Any chance here?

https://twitter.com/ahmontewatkins/status/1330654732390641664?s=21

Pretty good shot. He's a burner. Got a good shot with White too. But Watkins is probably top of the board.

[KOdawg1]

Pretty good shot. He's a burner. Got a good shot with White too. But Watkins is probably top of the board.

We need to hurry up and drop Howard and sign 2 out of Watkins, White, and Hunter.

[Irondawg]

losing DJ James and Greg Brooks the past couple of years really hurt our CB depth

But the Myles Mason for Aaron Brule trade has worked out pretty well for us.

[Ari Gold]

We need to hurry up and drop Howard and sign 2 out of Watkins, White, and Hunter.

This .. hell I would just take one of the three

[FISHDAWG]

are recruits allowed to visit and come to games this year ? .... If so, who is coming for the Egg Bowl ?

[Cooterpoot]

No official visits

[Cooterpoot]

This .. hell I would just take one of the three

Not if it's Hunter. I can't see him as an SEC RB.

[ZedFedder]

https://www.hudl.com/profile/9951590/Ahmonte-Watkins

I really like Watkins for our offense. He isn't going to break a ton of tackles, but he has homerun ability. If Leach can get guys like Knox, Nabers, and Watkins (hopefully) year in and year out... This offense will roll.

[Irondawg]

I really like this Simeon Price kid and like him better at RB or maybe S. Watch his jr highlight film first - his Sr film he doesn't look as good and Paul said he's been playing through some ankle injuries. He plays aggressive and physical which we seem to be lacking in some areas.

https://www.hudl.com/profile/9714197/Simeon-Price

[Homedawg]

Not if it's Hunter. I can't see him as an SEC RB.

Well Howard damn sure isn't

[Ari Gold]

Well Howard damn sure isn't

Amen...

[Ari Gold]

Not if it's Hunter. I can't see him as an SEC RB.

Hunter is extremely athletic .
He is not an every down RB in college but a third down back or spilt out in the slot or
I could see him on the other side of the ball possible

I would much rather have him than Howard ..

Howard honestly needs to go juco or G5

[Cooterpoot]

Well Howard damn sure isn't

Who said he was? Give me Watkins or White over all of them. Take Hunter as a RB/Athlete. But I can't see Hunter being it.
Howard is the third best RB on the MS all star roster.

[ShotgunDawg]

Howard is the third best RB on the MS all star roster.

Seems like we find out a little more every day at what a bad head coach Moorhead was.

Just an unconscionable decision to take Howard's commitment that early

This is where MSU has to be a big boy program though. Bama doesn't keep guy that can't play for Bama

[Cooterpoot]

Moorhead was a people pleaser. Like-able guy but not a head coach.

[Irondawg]

The boards are changing a lot now that you have guys at film rolling around. John Lewis and Calvin Johnson are blowing up. and while I know FSU staff has some MS ties it’s amazing how many guys there are offering here with all the talent in their home state or even GA or Bama.

No idea how truly good some of these guys are but sure wish we could have been on them harder the past months and gotten a lead in recruiting.

I think we may end up swapping a ton of guys late but instead of getting guys lower on the board this time we may be getting guys that are higher up

[bulldawg28]

The boards are changing a lot now that you have guys at film rolling around. John Lewis and Calvin Johnson are blowing up. and while I know FSU staff has some MS ties it’s amazing how many guys there are offering here with all the talent in their home state or even GA or Bama.

No idea how truly good some of these guys are but sure wish we could have been on them harder the past months and gotten a lead in recruiting.

I think we may end up swapping a ton of guys late but instead of getting guys lower on the board this time we may be getting guys that are higher up

Our guys should be all over diamond players in Mississippi.

[Ari Gold]

Our guys should be all over diamond players in Mississippi.

We need to get out of Mississippi and get more players...

[bulldawg28]

We need to get out of Mississippi and get more players...

I agree. However, we shouldn't lose out on diamonds either.

[ShotgunDawg]

Dawg

https://twitter.com/PJ247Sports/status/1331645934250418177?s=20

[Irondawg]

Anybody on here watched this kid or the Lewis kid from Germantown who is a lb prospect?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Where the hell did Calvin Johnson II come from? Literally out of nowhere the guy has added like 8 P5 offers in the last 5 days.

[ShotgunDawg]

Where the hell did Calvin Johnson II come from? Literally out of nowhere the guy has added like 8 P5 offers in the last 5 days.

A kid that would've been a high 3 star low 4 star out of the Summer with camps, but, since their weren't any camps, teams had to wait for the SR film to come in

[ZedFedder]

His senior film is very impressive.

[ShotgunDawg]

His senior film is very impressive.

Lashard Durr has been thrown out of a comp. Too me Durr may have had a little more top end speed but Johnson has a good bit more agility & better feet. Could see a hybrid safety/corner in the mold of Brain Cole or Pegues. Doesn't have those guy's ratings, but could end up being what those guys were.

What really intrigues me additionally about this guys is that he's a 4.0 student & a 35 ACT type. Having extremely intelligent players on the back end of your defense is awesome.

I think he's the Jaden Walley type of this class. Instincts & smooth

[msbulldog]

Has a US Naval Academy offer, needs to take it.

[ShotgunDawg]

Has a US Naval Academy offer, needs to take it.

LOL. Why?

What if he doesn't want to be in the Navy or has always wanted to play at MSU? What if Stanford offers?

Or even bigger, what if he wants to play in the NFL, which isn't possible with the Navy's 4 year post grad commitment?

[ZedFedder]

If you watch his senior film on HUDL, it lists that he has a 35 on the ACT and is a 4.0 student. Holy cow.

[vv83]

LOL. Why?

What if he doesn't want to be in the Navy or has always wanted to play at MSU? What if Stanford offers?

Or even bigger, what if he wants to play in the NFL, which isn't possible with the Navy's 4 year post grad commitment?

Meh this is a homer reply. Yeah if his aspiration is the NFL, but with a 35 ACT and 4.0 I would bet this kid knows what his future is and how he wants to accomplish it. At the end of the day, not many schools beat a degree from Annapolis. That being said, hope we get him.

Plus I believe the defense secretary signed in the Trump proposal to let service academies defer to immediately go play sports. Believe you need to defer or pay back tuition at the end of the day, but you can definitely do it.

[ZedFedder]

Meh this is a homer reply. Yeah if his aspiration is the NFL, but with a 35 ACT and 4.0 I would bet this kid knows what his future is and how he wants to accomplish it. At the end of the day, not many schools beat a degree from Annapolis. That being said, hope we get him.

Plus I believe the defense secretary signed in the Trump proposal to let service academies defer to immediately go play sports. Believe you need to defer or pay back tuition at the end of the day, but you can definitely do it.

Correct.

[ShotgunDawg]

Meh this is a homer reply. Yeah if his aspiration is the NFL, but with a 35 ACT and 4.0 I would bet this kid knows what his future is and how he wants to accomplish it. At the end of the day, not many schools beat a degree from Annapolis. That being said, hope we get him.

Plus I believe the defense secretary signed in the Trump proposal to let service academies defer to immediately go play sports. Believe you need to defer or pay back tuition at the end of the day, but you can definitely do it.

Maybe. Either way his mom is a Dr on MSU's campus and his family are season ticket holders.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Those are who more football-knowledgeable and know more about the in-state '21 class, where does Buckhaulter rank among the in-state WR crop? He Tweeted out he's coming for an unofficial tomorrow. OM commit. Do we have a shot with him, how does he compare to Brevard/Smith/Harmon/Moore/etc.? Good sized kid at 6'3" 195 lbs.

IMO I've only seen him play once and keep in mind it was against private school kids, but he has good length and highpoints the ball really well. He's probably better than Brevard or Harmon, but I think they're both a bit overrated. If I had to compare him to a past MSU receiver I'd probably say someone like a Fred Brown. I don't think he'll contribute right away but could become a solid player for us in 2-3 years.

[ShotgunDawg]

IMO I've only seen him play once and keep in mind it was against private school kids, but he has good length and highpoints the ball really well. He's probably better than Brevard or Harmon, but I think they're both a bit overrated. If I had to compare him to a past MSU receiver I'd probably say someone like a Fred Brown. I don't think he'll contribute right away but could become a solid player for us in 2-3 years.

I like him better than Harmon & Brevard as well but he's bigger and thicker framed than Fred Brown.

Not a comparison of overall ability, but he's more like AJ Brown in style & thickness. Just obviously not as highly recruited or as good.

Buckhalter is already 6'2" 195 while Fred Brown played at MSU at 6'1" 195. Looking at their body types, Buckhalter will be thicker like AJ Brown

Here is some HUDL: http://www.hudl.com/v/2EUTqe

[ZedFedder]

I like him better than Harmon & Brevard as well but he's bigger and thicker framed than Fred Brown.

Not a comparison of overall ability, but he's more like AJ Brown in style & thickness. Just obviously not as highly recruited or as good.

Buckhalter is already 6'2" 195 while Fred Brown played at MSU at 6'1" 195. Looking at their body types, Buckhalter will be thicker like AJ Brown

Here is some HUDL: http://www.hudl.com/v/2EUTqe

AJ played at OM at 6’1” 225lbs. I doubt Buckhaulter is nearly as talented or as think as Brown during his time at State.

[ShotgunDawg]

AJ played at OM at 6’1” 225lbs. I doubt Buckhaulter is nearly as talented or as think as Brown during his time at State.

I didn't say he was as talented. Actually said just the opposite.

Buchhalter has a thicker lower half than Fred Brown. More physical runner. Just saying his style & build look similar to AJ. I bet Buck plays at MSU at 6'2" 210-215 or so.

[KOdawg1]

I bet Buck plays at MSU at 6'2" 210-215 or so.

I think he plays at Ole Miss at 6'2" 225 pounds as a converted safety

[msbulldog]

LOL. Why?

What if he doesn't want to be in the Navy or has always wanted to play at MSU? What if Stanford offers?

Or even bigger, what if he wants to play in the NFL, which isn't possible with the Navy's 4 year post grad commitment?

Gun, sometimes I wonder about you sometimes. Do you know how prestigious and valuable a degree from a US Military Academy is? It's top notch connections to great jobs and lots or money. It's a smooth path to CEO jobs, which makes NFL money look like chump change. And yes it is more prestigious than a Stanford degree, why do you think it is so hard to get an appointment to a Service Academy? I hope you're just trying to start an argument and your not that dumb.

[msbulldog]

LOL. Why?

What if he doesn't want to be in the Navy or has always wanted to play at MSU? What if Stanford offers?

Or even bigger, what if he wants to play in the NFL, which isn't possible with the Navy's 4 year post grad commitment?

Oh and by the way Roger Staubach was a US Naval Academy graduate.

[ShotgunDawg]

Oh and by the way Roger Staubach was a US Naval Academy graduate.

I've got the upmost respect for the Naval Academy. I've spent time there & it's a great place.

However, it's not where you go if you want to play in the NFL. Sorry just saying.

[msbulldog]

I just don't know what to say, playing in the NFL is not the highest aspiration in life.

[ShotgunDawg]

I just don't know what to say, playing in the NFL is not the highest aspiration in life.

For you maybe not & I respect that to the highest degree. Wish there were more like you. But it's a higher aspiration for about 99% of 18 year old kids than being in the Navy.

[msu15]

I just don't know what to say, playing in the NFL is not the highest aspiration in life.

His dream has been to play football at Mississippi State. Direct quote from Calvin himself.

[Cooterpoot]

I just don't know what to say, playing in the NFL is not the highest aspiration in life.

Every person should follow THEIR dream, Not the dream someone else feels is best for them. Chase dreams! That's what life is about, Not money or prestige.

[bulldawg28]

Every person should follow THEIR dream, Not the dream someone else feels is best for them. Chase dreams! That's what life is about, Not money or prestige.

Great post!

[HailStateSZN19]

I think he plays at Ole Miss at 6'2" 225 pounds as a converted safety

They’ll enjoy the “flipmas” crap and make it seem like Buck is a top 3-4 player in the state and make it a huge deal but tbh, I’d take Rodarius Thomas or even the Price kid that de-committed from USCe over Buck as a WR prospect. I may be off there but Thomas looks like a quicker, faster, and more fluid WR prospect which is what we need.

[ShotgunDawg]

I think he plays at Ole Miss at 6'2" 225 pounds as a converted safety

Why are people so certain he'll flip?

There is a rumor that he and Daniels have already signed their MSU financial aid papers.

[Cooterpoot]

They’ll enjoy the “flipmas” crap and make it seem like Buck is a top 3-4 player in the state and make it a huge deal but tbh, I’d take Rodarius Thomas or even the Price kid that de-committed from USCe over Buck as a WR prospect. I may be off there but Thomas looks like a quicker, faster, and more fluid WR prospect which is what we need.

I don't think he's going to flip. I also don't get why people think he's "not as good" as other guys. He can play. Leach also isn't scared to move a kid to defense if he's not making a difference on offense. So, let the cards fall and let Leach sort it out.

[ZedFedder]

Y’all think we hang on to Nabers and Buck?

Also, my bad Shotgun. I didn’t read through your post and unfairly attacked your stance. That is on me.

[Westdawg]

Talking OL recruiting -
Here is a link to the "Dave Campbell" Tweet his top TX OL FOR 2020 season. VR Eaton High School

This is a school we need to get involved in recruiting.
Their RG is dang road grader !!
We REALLY need to look at that LT - Hunter Erb. Kid is really really good. He is a 2022 prospect, but never too early.

[ShotgunDawg]

Y’all think we hang on to Nabers and Buck?

Also, my bad Shotgun. I didn’t read through your post and unfairly attacked your stance. That is on me.

Right now it seems like we do. I'd guess finishing strong on offense wouldn't hurt.

[ShotgunDawg]

They’ll enjoy the “flipmas” crap and make it seem like Buck is a top 3-4 player in the state and make it a huge deal but tbh, I’d take Rodarius Thomas or even the Price kid that de-committed from USCe over Buck as a WR prospect. I may be off there but Thomas looks like a quicker, faster, and more fluid WR prospect which is what we need.

I disagree. I watched Buck's highlights today & he's pretty good. Strong guy with some size & burst. I think we could replace him with 2 or 3 similar type players, but he's pretty good.

[KOdawg1]

Why are people so certain he'll flip?

There is a rumor that he and Daniels have already signed their MSU financial aid papers.

Because he's been to every single Ole Miss home game. He's been to very few of our's. Location isn't an excuse because he's closer to us.

We may hold on to him, but when a kid committed to you is at another school more than they're at your's, then it usually doesn't bode well.

[KOdawg1]

Y’all think we hang on to Nabers and Buck?

Also, my bad Shotgun. I didn’t read through your post and unfairly attacked your stance. That is on me.

We seem to be weathering the storm with Nabors. Gotta keep fighting for him.

[ShotgunDawg]

Because he's been to every single Ole Miss home game. He's been to very few of our's. Location isn't an excuse because he's closer to us.

We may hold on to him, but when a kid committed to you is at another school more than they're at your's, then it usually doesn't bode well.

I don't disagree, again, there's a rumor that he's already signed his financial papers with us.

You were speaking in absolutes, so I assumed you had actual info

[KOdawg1]

I don't disagree, again, there's a rumor that he's already signed his financial papers with us.

You were speaking in absolutes, so I assumed you had actual info

I said "I think he ends up at OM"

I'm not sure what "actual info" you want. I'm not an insider and have never claimed to be.

[Cooterpoot]

Everyone knows the squirrelly nature of the situation. But Buck has been in Starkville some. His ride though.
He's definitely the most likely candidate to jump ship. Of course, we've got some "adjustments" coming to our board too. It works both ways.

[bulldawg28]

I don't disagree, again, there's a rumor that he's already signed his financial papers with us.

You were speaking in absolutes, so I assumed you had actual info

Signed financial papers doesn't mean anything. He could sign as many as he wants for schools.

[Westdawg]

Alright, I've been digging for MS diamonds since the Calvin Johnson official offer went public. I don't know CJ personally, but I have some truly great close friends who have a son that is a senior teammate of his, and I've heard about the kid for a couple years. This is a high IQ, super great kid. And now that I've watched some HUDL, he's been consistently really good on field for a couple years. He's just a kid that has been overlooked until now. I really hope we land him.

Now, here's a couple others that are at least worth discussing.

Taj Colom
https://twitter.com/tajcolomii/status/1331015188363972608?s=21

Khi Holiday

https://twitter.com/kstoreywtva/status/1331851336682442752?s=21

[ShotgunDawg]

Alright, I've been digging for MS diamonds since the Calvin Johnson official offer went public. I don't know CJ personally, but I have some truly great close friends who have a son that is a senior teammate of his, and I've heard about the kid for a couple years. This is a high IQ, super great kid. And now that I've watched some HUDL, he's been consistently really good on field for a couple years. He's just a kid that has been overlooked until now. I really hope we land him.

Now, here's a couple others that are at least worth discussing.

Taj Colom
https://twitter.com/tajcolomii/status/1331015188363972608?s=21

Khi Holiday

https://twitter.com/kstoreywtva/status/1331851336682442752?s=21

Colom looks like Brandon Holloway

[KOdawg1]

I watched Colom in person a few weeks back. Kid can play.

[Westdawg]

Colom looks like Brandon Holloway

In this offense, that's not a bad thing. I would have loved to see Brandon get some of those passes in the flat - dude could straight scoot!

[Cooterpoot]

Colom isn't an SEC guy and is behind several RBs in MS.
Holiday certainly isn't better than the two QBs in the MS//AL game. That's laughable.

[msbulldog]

In this offense, that's not a bad thing. I would have loved to see Brandon get some of those passes in the flat - dude could straight scoot!

Yes he could Damn Mullen used him wrong!

[Westdawg]

Colom isn't an SEC guy and is behind several RBs in MS.
Holiday certainly isn't better than the two QBs in the MS//AL game. That's laughable.

Colom could be used as an effective 3rd back in this offense. He also wouldn't be a bad option as a possible 3rd CB. He fits more of an ATH than as a RB
And for Holiday, I'm not speaking about him regarding his abilities as an ATH/DB rather than a QB.

[Cooterpoot]

Colom could be used as an effective 3rd back in this offense. He also wouldn't be a bad option as a possible 3rd CB. He fits more of an ATH than as a RB
And for Holiday, I'm not speaking about him regarding his abilities as an ATH/DB rather than a QB.

Both are way too small. Neither have elite speed/ability to make up for that size. Holiday should stick with baseball. They don't play a very good schedule in HS either. Nice small school HS players and nothing wrong with that.

[KOdawg1]

1332383953060302852

https://247sports.com/Player/Demarcus-Smith-46099762/


Here's a recruiting battle we need to win. If we land him and Cooper, then it'll show me our DL coach can recruit in this conference. He's already proved me wrong on his coaching ability. Hopefully he proves me wrong on his recruiting too.

[ShotgunDawg]

1332383953060302852

https://247sports.com/Player/Demarcus-Smith-46099762/


Here's a recruiting battle we need to win. If we land him and Cooper, then it'll show me our DL coach can recruit in this conference. He's already proved me wrong on his coaching ability. Hopefully he proves me wrong on his recruiting too.

Dawg

[KOdawg1]

Dawg

I think so too, but you know Ole Miss loves to flip their own commits. Losing Smith and Cooper would be embarrassing for them.

[ShotgunDawg]

I think so too, but you know Ole Miss loves to flip their own commits. Losing Smith and Cooper would be embarrassing for them.

Both Dawgs. Leach is going to get the defensive players we need. Wish we could get Calloway, but either way, we're going to be pretty good on defense for Leach's tenure. It's going to all come down the offense.

If he repeats what he's done other places, then we're going to be right there with A&M & Auburn consistently for #3 in the West with an occasional chance to compete for the West.

[ShotgunDawg]

https://twitter.com/WOLsports/status/1332493796165218307?s=20

[Todd4State]

Both Dawgs. Leach is going to get the defensive players we need. Wish we could get Calloway, but either way, we're going to be pretty good on defense for Leach's tenure. It's going to all come down the offense.

If he repeats what he's done other places, then we're going to be right there with A&M & Auburn consistently for #3 in the West with an occasional chance to compete for the West.

Calloway starts for us next year if we flip him.

[ShotgunDawg]

Calloway starts for us next year if we flip him.

I hear you. We're so close, but kids would still rather sit the bench at a blue blood. It's cray cray

[Todd4State]

I hear you. We're so close, but kids would still rather sit the bench at a blue blood. It's cray cray

Fortunately we have the transfer portal now. I think what may happen in some cases these players decide to go to Alabama and if it doesn't work out there they know that they can always go back to a MSU.

[KOdawg1]

1333432291406786564

Seems like we feel one of our WR commits is going to flip. My guess would be Buckhaulter. Which has a domino effect with MJ Daniels. Gonna be a bumpy few weeks.

[Ari Gold]

1333432291406786564

Seems like we feel one of our WR commits is going to flip. My guess would be Buckhaulter. Which has a domino effect with MJ Daniels. Gonna be a bumpy few weeks.

Daniels isn’t flipping to OM...

[ZedFedder]

Is there any chance that we just really liked this guy and wanted to add him, or is it definite that someone will flip?

[KOdawg1]

Daniels isn’t flipping to OM...

Didn't say he was...

[KOdawg1]

Is there any chance that we just really liked this guy and wanted to add him, or is it definite that someone will flip?

I think he's a good player. I actually like him better than Buckhaulter. But for months, we've been told that the only way we'd take 5 receivers is if one was elite like Deion Smith. I think this is just precautionary. Buckhaulter and Nabers are shaky, so we don't want to be caught flat footed.

[Irondawg]

I still like the Simeon Price kid but I don’t think we have room now

[Cooterpoot]

We're ok with signing 5 WRs. If Buck jumps ship, we're still good as well.

[ShotgunDawg]

Is there any chance that we just really liked this guy and wanted to add him, or is it definite that someone will flip?

He's really polished. Not sure how big the upside is, but there are some Walley similarities in route running & how smooth he is

[ShotgunDawg]

I think he's a good player. I actually like him better than Buckhaulter. But for months, we've been told that the only way we'd take 5 receivers is if one was elite like Deion Smith. I think this is just precautionary. Buckhaulter and Nabers are shaky, so we don't want to be caught flat footed.

Agree. I think we wanted to wait till February to sign this guy, but my guess is that he was getting too many offers to sign early from other SEC schools & we simply couldn't take the chance of losing him.

[KOdawg1]

We're ok with signing 5 WRs. If Buck jumps ship, we're still good as well.

I don't hate the decision because I really like the kids film, but I would've used the spot on a Juco DE. We're gonna be fine at WR. We need some help at DE. Hopefully we get a good grad transfer.

[ShotgunDawg]

I don't hate the decision because I really like the kids film, but I would've used the spot on a Juco DE. We're gonna be fine at WR. We need some help at DE. Hopefully we get a good grad transfer.

Not disagreeing, but we don't know what the staff knows.

This is a very experienced staff & Leach has been doing this for a long time. I'm going to trust his evaluations unless he proves I shouldn't.

[KOdawg1]

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10632495/5f62b43557979c0880569355

Here's his film. Like gun said, he's very smooth in his movement. Good hands. Decent size. Decent speed. His route running needs some work. All he does in this video is run a fly, a screen, or a quick out. He won't come in next year and play, but he's a guy that can be pretty good after a couple of years of good coaching and a weight room.

[ShotgunDawg]

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10632495/5f62b43557979c0880569355

Here's his film. Like gun said, he's very smooth in his movement. Good hands. Decent size. Decent speed. His route running needs some work. All he does in this video is run a fly, a screen, or a quick out. He won't come in next year and play, but he's a guy that can be pretty good after a couple of years of good coaching and a weight room.

I disagree about how quickly he can play. His body control is really really good & that should allow for good route running quickly.

There is some similarity to how Walley looked last year. Physical tool don't show out on film, but the body control & smoothness allows for a quick transition in this offense

[Irondawg]

He looks ok but he doesn’t jump off as a great wr prospect to me. I don’t immediately see great speed or elusiveness and he doesn’t have above average size. He doesn’t look bad but we need to find some guys with impact upside. Price’s junior film is much better in my opinion but he’s waiting until Feb to sign he says. This may just be us taking the bird in the hand.

Hopefully I’m wrong in my quick evaluation from 5 min of film.

[KOdawg1]

I disagree about how quickly he can play. His body control is really really good & that should allow for good route running quickly.

There is some similarity to how Walley looked last year. Physical tool don't show out on film, but the body control & smoothness allows for a quick transition in this offense

He won't play next year. He'll likely RS.

[ShotgunDawg]

He won't play next year. He'll likely RS.

Well, we're pretty deep at WR. I think he would've played for this year's team but you're correct. I think he takes Austin William's role in 2022

[ShotgunDawg]

He looks ok but he doesn’t jump off as a great wr prospect to me. I don’t immediately see great speed or elusiveness and he doesn’t have above average size. He doesn’t look bad but we need to find some guys with impact upside. Price’s junior film is much better in my opinion but he’s waiting until Feb to sign he says. This may just be us taking the bird in the hand.

Hopefully I’m wrong in my quick evaluation from 5 min of film.

That's the way Walley looked last year as well.

I don't disagree with anything you've said, but Mike Leach has been hitting on these guys for 20 years. So I'm going to go with what he thinks even if I don't totally see it.

[Cooterpoot]

Thomas is a very good route runner and catches everything. He's a good take.

[Irondawg]

Maybe on Walley but I remember those MS/AL 1:1 clips and he and Harvey looked like the 2 best receivers easily.

I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt as well though at this point as Leach should know what he’s looking for

[HancockCountyDog]

I have my issues with Leach, but I will trust his evaluations on WR.

[ZedFedder]

I don't think it has anything to do with us (not that I am in the know) but Kanarius Johnson decommitted from Tulane.

[Cooterpoot]

I don't think it has anything to do with us (not that I am in the know) but Kanarius Johnson decommitted from Tulane.

We aren't recruiting him.

[KOdawg1]

I don't think it has anything to do with us (not that I am in the know) but Kanarius Johnson decommitted from Tulane.

His film wasn't as impressive this year. We made the right choice between him and Jacobi Moore.

Moore deserves to be a 4 star

[HoopsDawg]

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10632495/5f62b43557979c0880569355

Here's his film. Like gun said, he's very smooth in his movement. Good hands. Decent size. Decent speed. His route running needs some work. All he does in this video is run a fly, a screen, or a quick out. He won't come in next year and play, but he's a guy that can be pretty good after a couple of years of good coaching and a weight room.

Film reminds me of Chris Smith.

[KOdawg1]

Film reminds me of Chris Smith.

Nice comp

[ShotgunDawg]

Film reminds me of Chris Smith.

Some similarities. I think Thomas is more polished though

[ZedFedder]

We aren't recruiting him.

OM?

[msu15]

Film reminds me of Chris Smith.

Chris was a way bigger and more imposing, physical receiver.

[ShotgunDawg]

Chris was a way bigger and more imposing, physical receiver.

MSU's roster lists Smith at 6'2" 210. Thomas will be about the same.

[HoopsDawg]

Chris was a way bigger and more imposing, physical receiver.

We signed Chris Smith at 6'1, 191; Rodarius is listed at 6'1, 185