2021 MSU Football Recruiting Discussion Thread

[ShotgunDawg]

I see what you're saying but LSU is about to have 4 Of the Top 10 WR committed in the next month or so. Knox & Nabers isn't moving the needle like Earle, Hilton, & Thomas. Now hopefully LSU offense takes a step back. That will make a bigger difference than who's coming in with him at WR. That & along with some friends already at MSU.

All true.

My point is that the combination of Robertson, Knox, and Nabers should only help with Deion.

Hopefully this is a Charles Cross type recruitment

[ZedFedder]

Barton Simmons throws a pick for MSU for Malik Nabers. His CB looking good.

https://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Malik-Nabers-at-Comeaux-237483/CurrentExpertPredictions/

[KOdawg1]

Justin Walley picks up a CB to Baylor.

Weird. Hopefully with his brother here, we end up getting him

[Tripp McNeely]

I got a feeling that the only way we don?t get Walley is if we don?t push for him.

[ShotgunDawg]

New commit

1277632193330851841

[Lord McBuckethead]

No idea who the new commit is, regardless welcome to the family young man.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Myzel Williams,a safety from Florida, commits.

[HailStateSZN19]

Good early get. Got 30 D1 offers, believe 9-10 are P5. He's super aggressive watching his film. Not afraid to stick his nose in there and light someone up.

Gotta say, this coaching staff appears to be pretty good at finding these underrated kids early that seem like kids who could blow up (this kid, Thomas Davis, I'd put Corey Ellington in this category). It's early and they have to hold on to kids they find early that do wind up blowing up (Thomas Davis being an example) & their evals will be judged on when the kids actually get to campus. But I really like the way this staff is recruiting. Need to see some more on the DL/OL recruiting but it's an unusual year as far as OL/DL recruits in MS.

[ShotgunDawg]

Good early get. Got 30 D1 offers, believe 9-10 are P5. He's super aggressive watching his film. Not afraid to stick his nose in there and light someone up.

Gotta say, this coaching staff appears to be pretty good at finding these underrated kids early that seem like kids who could blow up (this kid, Thomas Davis, I'd put Corey Ellington in this category). It's early and they have to hold on to kids they find early that do wind up blowing up (Thomas Davis being an example) & their evals will be judged on when the kids actually get to campus. But I really like the way this staff is recruiting. Need to see some more on the DL/OL recruiting but it's an unusual year as far as OL/DL recruits in MS.

Yeah good player. His ranking is likely a casualty of a poor evaluation period. Looks like a high 3 star at worst. An 88-89 type

This staff has been together digging up these guys for years. Wazzou had more Florida kids on the roster than MSU

[HailStateSZN19]

Yeah good player. His ranking is likely a casualty of a poor evaluation period. Looks like a high 3 star at worst. An 88-89 type

This staff has been together digging up these guys for years. Wazzou had more Florida kids on the roster than MSU

Good point. I had forgotten they had gotten several players to come to WSU from FL.

Need to pick up Timar Rogers from FL also. He's another severely underrated kid. Very solid looking LB.

Very excited to see how this class ultimately shakes out because there's really good early vibes most positions, just gotta figure out the OL/DL recruiting for this odd year in MS.

[msu15]

Good point. I had forgotten they had gotten several players to come to WSU from FL.

Need to pick up Timar Rogers from FL also. He's another severely underrated kid. Very solid looking LB.

Very excited to see how this class ultimately shakes out because there's really good early vibes most positions, just gotta figure out the OL/DL recruiting for this odd year in MS.

They go to the same high school.

[KOdawg1]

Yeah good player. His ranking is likely a casualty of a poor evaluation period. Looks like a high 3 star at worst. An 88-89 type

This staff has been together digging up these guys for years. Wazzou had more Florida kids on the roster than MSU

Leach is on record in saying that you can get Florida kids to go anywhere.

[HailStateSZN19]

They go to the same high school.

Niiiiccceeeeee. Need to get him for sure then.

[msu15]

Leach is on record in saying that you can get Florida kids to go anywhere.

I think he said South Florida

[ShotgunDawg]

Leach is on record in saying that you can get Florida kids to go anywhere.

Kind of makes sense

South Florida is such a cosmopolitan combination of New Yorkers, Cubans, Dominicans, etc that those kids just aren't afraid of living other places. They don't fear different types of people.

[Westdawg]

Looking through some options for 2021 class at DL.

Anyone know much on this guy?
John Cartwright 6'2" 280
@ ECCC
Is listed on JC Gridiron 3rd team All-America
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/13046090/5db718aaff01f90df486d00b

[ZedFedder]

Anybody ever heard of this kid? He is from Magee and just decommitted from UCF. Being a WR, may be someone we can go after late if he is any good.

https://247sports.com/player/xavier-franks-46098943/

[KOdawg1]

Anybody ever heard of this kid? He is from Magee and just decommitted from UCF. Being a WR, may be someone we can go after late if he is any good.

https://247sports.com/player/xavier-franks-46098943/

Good player, but we're after bigger fish.

[ZedFedder]

Good player, but we're after bigger fish.

Right. We would have to miss on a few before we got to him I’m sure. If I’m USM I’m all over him.

[ZedFedder]

Isaiah Brevard announcing July 4th. Oregon?

[KOdawg1]

Isaiah Brevard announcing July 4th. Oregon?

Probably. Us and OM haven't really shown much interest.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Probably. Us and OM haven't really shown much interest.

OM has he just isn't returning it right now.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Brevard seems to have been a weird recruitment. Seems to have started out as the #1-2 player in state but then not a lot of interest on our part and really haven't seen OM folks peeing all over themselves for him like they usually do. Is he just not as good as he was built up to be? And if so, why the early build up at all?

[ZedFedder]

Probably because of his size, he got hyped up early. Every year there is always a guy who is a top 5 instate guy who slips into mid-three star range. Not saying that’s Brevard, but the early evaluations are usually off except for the can’t miss guys like a Cam Akers or Jeff Simmons.

[KOdawg1]

Yeah Brevard is a good player, but he was just overhyped too early.

1. Deion Smith
2. Kanarius Johnson
3. Isaiah Brevard
4. Jacobi Moore
5. Antonio Harmon (should be a TE)

[ZedFedder]

Yeah Brevard is a good player, but he was just overhyped too early.

1. Deion Smith
2. Kanarius Johnson
3. Isaiah Brevard
4. Jacobi Moore
5. Antonio Harmon (should be a TE)

Solid list here. I really like Moore, too. I think he has the chance to be really good, but he probably needs at least two years of development physical and skill wise before he is ready.

[Todd4State]

Brevard seems to have been a weird recruitment. Seems to have started out as the #1-2 player in state but then not a lot of interest on our part and really haven't seen OM folks peeing all over themselves for him like they usually do. Is he just not as good as he was built up to be? And if so, why the early build up at all?

Some of the Ole Miss recruiting hype is based on players that they think they will get. Typically if they don't think they are going to get someone they'll just spin it as "better targets" and that they "didn't really want them." And then about a year later they'll spend a bunch of time tampering to try to get our players that they allegedly didn't want to transfer to them in the offseason.

[ZedFedder]

Keon Coleman commits to Kansas. Wow.

[KOdawg1]

Keon Coleman commits to Kansas. Wow.

Les Miles will pull players from Louisiana. He's got that pipeline from his time there.

Keon's recruitment has been odd, because about a week ago, he was picking up crystal balls to Oklahoma. He's cousins with Ceedee Lamb, so it made sense. Then suddenly, he picked up a slew of CB's to Kansas just recently. Idk if OU dropped him or what. I know he wants to play basketball too, which makes this even weirder because I'm not sure he's good enough to earn a basketball scholarship to Kansas, but hey, maybe he is. I hate we won't get him because he's a freakish athlete with a high ceiling, but we have very solid backup plans.

[bulldawg28]

Les Miles will pull players from Louisiana. He's got that pipeline from his time there.

Keon's recruitment has been odd, because about a week ago, he was picking up crystal balls to Oklahoma. He's cousins with Ceedee Lamb, so it made sense. Then suddenly, he picked up a slew of CB's to Kansas just recently. Idk if OU dropped him or what. I know he wants to play basketball too, which makes this even weirder because I'm not sure he's good enough to earn a basketball scholarship to Kansas, but hey, maybe he is. I hate we won't get him because he's a freakish athlete with a high ceiling, but we have very solid backup plans.

He won't need a scholarship for basketball if football is covering his tuition. All he needs is willing coaches on both sides and the opportunity. Les used the basketball option to his advantage.

[Westdawg]

Still trying to find some hidden gems at OL.
I got some connections still out west from coaching and ran across this OL as well as one of his teammates that's in '22 class. Really great coaching that these kids have been getting. And with the Pirate's recognition in TX, we can find some good finds there.

Here's a possible one.
Heston Edwards 6'5" 300 lbs
Eaton HS (Texas)



https://www.hudl.com/video/3/9688378/5de5257764e0650db0958bca

Twitter profile

https://twitter.com/51Heston

eta - this kid's team is going to be playing in one of the toughest districts of HS football in the TX this fall (TX district 4-6A)
Eaton, Keller, and Southlake Carroll among others.

[FISHDAWG]

Still trying to find some hidden gems at OL.
I got some connections still out west from coaching and ran across this OL as well as one of his teammates that's in '22 class. Really great coaching that these kids have been getting. And with the Pirate's recognition in TX, we can find some good finds there.

Here's a possible one.
Heston Edwards 6'5" 300 lbs
Eaton HS (Texas)



https://www.hudl.com/video/3/9688378/5de5257764e0650db0958bca

Twitter profile

https://twitter.com/51Heston

eta - this kid's team is going to be playing in one of the toughest districts of HS football in the TX this fall (TX district 4-6A)
Eaton, Keller, and Southlake Carroll among others.

I love getting on targets early ... and you're right about ML - he seems to know Texas very well ... this guy looks like we should def contact as soon as permissible

[ZedFedder]

Kadarious Calloway to Bama.

[Bothrops]

I'm legit worried about future on defense, esp in recruiting. Looks like we'll be taking pick overs to get the right numbers come later. With former targets trending elsewhere, are there any realistic chances new names? SEC guys?

[KOdawg1]

Well that hurts. He's a 4 star talent and now he'll likely get that 4th star. I hope we can get him back but I wouldn't count on it.

[ShotgunDawg]

Philadelphia gonna Philadelphia.

Has one town had more recruiting issues?

Kid told PJ he was solid yesterday

[Westdawg]

Probably not looking for a RB in '21 at this point but who knows.

https://twitter.com/alan_lamar05/status/1281058327225655296?s=21

Former DeSoto Central star RB Alan Lamar.
Led Ivy League two years running and looking for a new home for spring 2021 as grad transfer

[Tripp McNeely]

I'm legit worried about future on defense, esp in recruiting. Looks like we'll be taking pick overs to get the right numbers come later. With former targets trending elsewhere, are there any realistic chances new names? SEC guys?

Go sign Lofton, Moore and Nabers at WR
Move Buckhaulter to Safety...Problem solved

[ZedFedder]

New offer in Mississippi. Brendan Toles of Lafayette High School in Oxford. Probably a WR or DB. He is currently committed to LA Tech. Wonder if OM follows suit?

[Todd4State]

New offer in Mississippi. Brendan Toles of Lafayette High School in Oxford. Probably a WR or DB. He is currently committed to LA Tech. Wonder if OM follows suit?

Dude is 6'0" and runs a 4.28 40. Definitely worth the offer based on that alone IMO.

[ZedFedder]

Dude is 6'0" and runs a 4.28 40. Definitely worth the offer based on that alone IMO.

Agreed. Hopefully the Tyler Williams connection helps us out.

[Bothrops]

Dude is 6'0" and runs a 4.28 40. Definitely worth the offer based on that alone IMO.

Is that verified?

[ZedFedder]

Is that verified?

Believe that is a hand time.

[Uncle Ruckus]

Dude is 6'0" and runs a 4.28 40. Definitely worth the offer based on that alone IMO.

There are 12 people in the history of the NFL combine who have ran that fast. An unknown 16-17 year old kid from mississippi did not run than time in the 40.

[KOdawg1]

Believe that is a hand time.

So he ran a 4.5

[Ifyouonlyknew]

So he ran a 4.5

Which is very fast before you play a game your Sr year of HS.

[KOdawg1]

Which is very fast before you play a game your Sr year of HS.

Oh definitely

[Westdawg]

New offer :

Matthew Langlois 6'0 190 lbs
S/CB 3 ⭐️ out of Louisiana


https://twitter.com/LangloisMatthew?s=21

[Westdawg]

Langlois is fast fast fast, and quick to boot.
And he plays mean downhill at the safety. I like the offer

[KOdawg1]

Langlois is fast fast fast, and quick to boot.
And he plays mean downhill at the safety. I like the offer

Very solid player. LSU beat guys love him, but don't think they'll take him because they're stacked at safety. With Calloway saying deuces, I'm cool with us pursuing him

[ShotgunDawg]

In the strangest commitment I've ever seen. Kanarious Johnson commits to ........... Tulane

This obviously won't stick, but what's going on here?

1282716853471715328

[Tripp McNeely]

In the strangest commitment I've ever seen. Kanarious Johnson commits to ........... Tulane

This obviously won't stick, but what's going on here?

1282716853471715328

Looks like he?s just reserving a spot since we haven?t pushed for a commit yet

[Bothrops]

In the strangest commitment I've ever seen. Kanarious Johnson commits to ........... Tulane

This obviously won't stick, but what's going on here?

1282716853471715328

What in the name of hell is this? Ms was supposed to have this huge WR class this year, so does this mean we'd take only 1 maybe 2 out of the entire group?

[Todd4State]

What in the name of hell is this? Ms was supposed to have this huge WR class this year, so does this mean we'd take only 1 maybe 2 out of the entire group?

No. It means we are going to push for him later most likely.

[Ari Gold]

KJ won’t end up at Tulane...

[Bothrops]

No. It means we are going to push for him later most likely.

Later? So we are still evaluating? This is funny

[Todd4State]

Later? So we are still evaluating? This is funny

We don't have a camp this year. It's not just the player as an individual that they are evaluating- it's the position group as a whole. Normally during camps there are players that emerge. Because there aren't any our coaches are going to have to evaluate in season.

That said, shit can happen and these players have to watch out for themselves and Johnson just made sure he has a spot at a great school no matter what. If/when MSU pushes he has a spot in the SEC. If not he has a full scholarship to Tulane. He's smart. It's like Austin Hendricks committing to us in baseball even though he was always going pro. Let's say Hendricks had broken his arm or wrist in high school and his stock dropped. Well, worst case scenario he's going to a SEC school that has put a lot of MLB players in the big leagues and would have had a chance to prove himself and build his stock back up.

[msu15]

What in the name of hell is this? Ms was supposed to have this huge WR class this year, so does this mean we'd take only 1 maybe 2 out of the entire group?

Well when he have 3 better targets out of state, 2 that we are for sure getting, it makes sense to me.

[Walkerhill]

In the strangest commitment I've ever seen. Kanarious Johnson commits to ........... Tulane

This obviously won't stick, but what's going on here?

1282716853471715328

Not even the strangest commit today. ESPN 300 and top 10 pocket passer Shedeur Sanders (Son of Deion Sanders) committed to FAU today.

There is no answer to the question, why?

[Bothrops]

We don't have a camp this year. It's not just the player as an individual that they are evaluating- it's the position group as a whole. Normally during camps there are players that emerge. Because there aren't any our coaches are going to have to evaluate in season.

That said, shit can happen and these players have to watch out for themselves and Johnson just made sure he has a spot at a great school no matter what. If/when MSU pushes he has a spot in the SEC. If not he has a full scholarship to Tulane. He's smart. It's like Austin Hendricks committing to us in baseball even though he was always going pro. Let's say Hendricks had broken his arm or wrist in high school and his stock dropped. Well, worst case scenario he's going to a SEC school that has put a lot of MLB players in the big leagues and would have had a chance to prove himself and build his stock back up.

Ok, I had been hearing that we were on him heavy. I see it's a security move. Thanks.

[MetEdDawg]

Is MJ Daniels not a take for us? Came out with his Top 6 today and we aren't in it. He's been tweeting a lot of pro MSU stuff and now we aren't in his Top 6.

I guess I find that a tad curious. I thought we were very much in it with him and now we aren't even in his Top 6. Just found that odd.

[ZedFedder]

Is MJ Daniels not a take for us? Came out with his Top 6 today and we aren't in it. He's been tweeting a lot of pro MSU stuff and now we aren't in his Top 6.

I guess I find that a tad curious. I thought we were very much in it with him and now we aren't even in his Top 6. Just found that odd.

I’m pretty sure he would be a take. Recruiting starting to get a little dicey.

[ShotgunDawg]

Is MJ Daniels not a take for us? Came out with his Top 6 today and we aren't in it. He's been tweeting a lot of pro MSU stuff and now we aren't in his Top 6.

I guess I find that a tad curious. I thought we were very much in it with him and now we aren't even in his Top 6. Just found that odd.

Ugh.

[Tripp McNeely]

Is MJ Daniels not a take for us? Came out with his Top 6 today and we aren't in it. He's been tweeting a lot of pro MSU stuff and now we aren't in his Top 6.

I guess I find that a tad curious. I thought we were very much in it with him and now we aren't even in his Top 6. Just found that odd.

This one makes no sense. Something is going on behind the scenes on this one. No way Indiana makes his top 6 and we don?t!!

[bulldawg28]

This one makes no sense. Something is going on behind the scenes on this one. No way Indiana makes his top 6 and we don?t!!

Sounds like he's headed back to Ole Miss.

[Bothrops]

Who knows. It's hard to believe much about recruiting anymore.

[Cooterpoot]

Sounds like he's headed back to Ole Miss.

He's not, but don't be surprised if another recruit is.

[HailStateSZN19]

He's not, but don't be surprised if another recruit is.

Buckhaulter?

[Hambone]

Yep

[HailStateSZN19]

IYOK, Cooter, whoever has some "scoop"- who do you expect to fill out our WR class?

Buckhaulter flipping would suck. He's a hoss. He's not a "make or break" your WR class type because we're on plenty of talented WR's it sounds like but I don't like the idea of him flipping back to OM.

[ShotgunDawg]

Does the new staff need a "learning curve" on in-state recruiting.

Hopefully, Tony Hughes is getting things done. I'm beginning to wonder

[Cooterpoot]

Buck isn't flipping IMO. Nobody is flipping to OM IMO. Just saying don't be surprised if we miss out on another in-State player.
This staff went after the guys they had a connection to. They had none in MS. Support staff needs to be trusted to make the call on in-State guys along with Huges. We've drug our feet a lot.

[HailStateSZN19]

Buck isn't flipping IMO. Nobody is flipping to OM IMO. Just saying don't be surprised if we miss out on another in-State player.
This staff went after the guys they had a connection to. They had none in MS. Support staff needs to be trusted to make the call on in-State guys along with Huges. We've drug our feet a lot.

Please tell me you're not referring to Ty Cooper or Justin Walley then.....especially Cooper. In-state DL this year is waaayyyyy down and Cooper is the best in-state DL by a good margin. We gotta get him.

[ShotgunDawg]

Buck isn't flipping IMO. Nobody is flipping to OM IMO. Just saying don't be surprised if we miss out on another in-State player.
This staff went after the guys they had a connection to. They had none in MS. Support staff needs to be trusted to make the call on in-State guys along with Huges. We've drug our feet a lot.

Two coaching changes in 3 years is hurting us because the relationships aren't there.

The good news is that at least we know this staff can coach. They'll develop the relationships. Leach could win 7 games at MSU with Wazzou talent.

He'll be fine.

[Todd4State]

Buck isn't flipping IMO. Nobody is flipping to OM IMO. Just saying don't be surprised if we miss out on another in-State player.
This staff went after the guys they had a connection to. They had none in MS. Support staff needs to be trusted to make the call on in-State guys along with Huges. We've drug our feet a lot.
This is why we need Hud back on staff in some capacity. I don't care who doesn't like it.

[Todd4State]

Two coaching changes in 3 years is hurting us because the relationships aren't there.

The good news is that at least we know this staff can coach. They'll develop the relationships. Leach could win 7 games at MSU with Wazzou talent.

He'll be fine.

The problem is most of our Mississippi guys can't go out and recruit.

[ShotgunDawg]

The problem is most of our Mississippi guys can't go out and recruit.

Very true

[1bigdawg]

This is why we need Hud back on staff in some capacity. I don't care who doesn't like it.

How many months would Hud actually be on staff before he left before the signing date? Just saying. Once burned is twice shy. Twice burned.......

I like Hud, but he would have to commit to being a position coach with a multi-million dollar buyout before I would trust him again.

[Todd4State]

How many months would Hud actually be on staff before he left before the signing date? Just saying. Once burned is twice shy. Twice burned.......

I like Hud, but he would have to commit to being a position coach with a multi-million dollar buyout before I would trust him again.

I don't know. How many schools would be willing to hire him after ULL and Austin Peay flameouts? That has to say that there is a lot of risk in hiring him as a head coach. I think hiring him again would be different this time because of that alone.

[ShotgunDawg]

How many months would Hud actually be on staff before he left before the signing date? Just saying. Once burned is twice shy. Twice burned.......

I like Hud, but he would have to commit to being a position coach with a multi-million dollar buyout before I would trust him again.

IDK, he's only left for head coaching jobs. If he was like Manny and left twice for an assistant job, I'd agree. But Hud has only left for head jobs and that's hard to hold against someone.

Would you turn down a head job to stay as an assistant?

I can't see him being a head coach ever again

[Cooterpoot]

HUD isn't needed here

[BrunswickDawg]

This is why we need Hud back on staff in some capacity. I don't care who doesn't like it.

Dang, I had the over for "Can we make 14 days before someone mentions we needed hire Hud." Lost that bet.

[Turfdawg67]

Dang, I had the over for "Can we make 14 days before someone mentions we needed hire Hud." Lost that bet.

I had the under Bruns!! $$$$. Can always count on Todd for Hud, WRs and media panic. Never bet against. ***

[Turfdawg67]

How many months would Hud actually be on staff before he left before the signing date? Just saying. Once burned is twice shy. Twice burned.......

I like Hud, but he would have to commit to being a position coach with a multi-million dollar buyout before I would trust him again.

You can't blame a guy for leaving for a HC job. It's the lateral move guys that I wouldn't welcome back.

[1bigdawg]

You can't blame a guy for leaving for a HC job. It's the lateral move guys that I wouldn't welcome back.

No, you cannot blame a guy for leaving for a HC job. However, you can blame a guy for looking all the time. You can be concerned about a guy who takes credit with anyone who will listen when anything goes right and blames someone else when anything goes wrong.

[Cooterpoot]

You can't blame a guy for leaving for a HC job. It's the lateral move guys that I wouldn't welcome back.

But you can blame him for Canning up. Now that the cat's out the bag, we can finally bury the idea of Hud on our staff. But no telling who is on his...

[ZedFedder]

But you can blame him for Canning up. Now that the cat's out the bag, we can finally bury the idea of Hud on our staff. But no telling who is on his...

Where did you see it that he Cann’d?

[ZedFedder]

Timar Rogers commits.

[ShotgunDawg]

Timar Rogers commits.

Yup. Another, athletic, good looking player. The rankings are so jacked up this year because this is the type of kid that goes to a camp & maybe becomes a 4 star, but will instead be ranked an 84 till SR film comes out & then we'll see if 247 even messes with it.

We're recruiting good athletes, but they're all ranked 84 due to the circumstances

https://www.hudl.com/profile/11197136/Timar-Rogers

[KOdawg1]

Good get and much needed good news after a week of seemingly only bad news recruiting wise.

[ShotgunDawg]

You guys are going to laugh at the comparison I'm about to make on Timar, but this guy has an outrageous burst & foot quickness.

I see a lighter version of Willie Gay. This is unique speed & burst.

I'm not saying he's a 5 star, but this guy is super good.

I just watched his video in an attempt to come up with a former MSU comparison, and I just haven't seen many MSU LBs move like that other than 1. McKinney, Benny Brown, Erroll, Leo, etc all had thicker bodies & weren't as fast.

Matt Wells is likely a similar size, but Matt had longer strides & didn't seem as twitchy.

I know the Willie Gay comparison is super risky on an 84 rated prospect, but that's kind of what the style of play looks like. I don't know what else to say.

What am I missing?

[ShotgunDawg]

At this point in the Leach tenure, I think we can start to make some roster/recruiting assumptions.

I believe we are about to field the fastest MSU teams in our history.

That being said, I'm not sure how big we'll be & according to Nick Saban in the Book "4th & Goal Everyday", "Big people beat up smaller people". So may our current recruiting strategy may end up being more of a Big 12/Pac 12 type recruiting strategy & we get run on for 350 yards in the SEC. Not sure, but we are about to be really really fast.

We'll see if it works

[vv83]

Not really 2021 related but Emmet Gooden just got released from UT. I remember it was a pretty big melt here when he flipped

[ShotgunDawg]

Not really 2021 related but Emmet Gooden just got released from UT. I remember it was a pretty big melt here when he flipped

His recruitment was an absolute mess.

I've been following this long enough to see the trend that most kids who's recruitment is a mess end up being a mess themselves.

[vv83]

His recruitment was an absolute mess.

I've been following this long enough to see the trend that most kids who's recruitment is a mess end up being a mess themselves.

Busted a glass candle jar over his gf’s head. Dodged a bullet on him

[msbulldog]

Not really 2021 related but Emmet Gooden just got released from UT. I remember it was a pretty big melt here when he flipped

Gooden just used us for a close to home good time, he came down here for the advantages of being a commit. He took advantage of us and never had the intention of signing. He had stars in his eyes and not enough in his brain to qualify. I can't think of another player that I was so glad he didn't become a Dawg!

[ZedFedder]

Gooden just used us for a close to home good time, he came down here for the advantages of being a commit. He took advantage of us and never had the intention of signing. He had stars in his eyes and not enough in his brain to qualify. I can't think of another player that I was so glad he didn't become a Dawg!

And he was Jarvis Varnado’s half brother, right? Varnado was, at least on the surface, the ultimate bulldog. Seems they are quite different.

[ShotgunDawg]

Looks like we're closing in on Loftin & Nabors.

I've figured out what this staff likes..... speed, speed, & oh yeah..... more speed

Which kind of makes sense when you throw the ball 60 times a game. If the QB if taught to go through progressions & find the open man, then it's imperative that your WRs create separation so that the QB can make good decisions. It's not rocket science that speed creates separation. Agility & route running does as well, but speed is the number 1 way

What's odd to me about Loftin is that this staff is recruiting him like he's a boarderline 5 star & he barely has any Power 5 offers. It's a clear case of this staff valuing something in him that others really don't

[bulldawg28]

At this point in the Leach tenure, I think we can start to make some roster/recruiting assumptions.

I believe we are about to field the fastest MSU teams in our history.

That being said, I'm not sure how big we'll be & according to Nick Saban in the Book "4th & Goal Everyday", "Big people beat up smaller people". So may our current recruiting strategy may end up being more of a Big 12/Pac 12 type recruiting strategy & we get run on for 350 yards in the SEC. Not sure, but we are about to be really really fast.

We'll see if it works

Fastest team ever? Calm down. You're referring only to the WR's he's recruiting right?

[ShotgunDawg]

Fastest team ever? Calm down. You're referring only to the WR's he's recruiting right?

That & the Timar also looks really fast.

We've haven't had a ton of team speed in the past, so saying that Leach will build the fastest MSU teams ever isn't a stretch at all.

MSU has always gone with size but never really speed. Even our best teams were more physical than fast.

[Todd4State]

That & the Timar also looks really fast.

We've haven't had a ton of team speed in the past, so saying that Leach will build the fastest MSU teams ever isn't a stretch at all.

MSU has always gone with size but never really speed. Even our best teams were more physical than fast.

I see what you are saying. Dan and Jackie built us into mostly big plodding teams that would line up and try to run you over.

[KOdawg1]

DL is my biggest worry. I'm not sold on Phelps at all.

And yes, I know it's too early to make those assumptions. I just thought we could've done better. It's Ty Cooper or bust with this year's DL class

[ShotgunDawg]

DL is my biggest worry. I'm not sold on Phelps at all.

And yes, I know it's too early to make those assumptions. I just thought we could've done better. It's Ty Cooper or bust with this year's DL class

How would you be sold on any coach before they actually coach a game for us?

What other DL should we have been on?

What other DL are in-state?

[KOdawg1]

How would you be sold on any coach before they actually coach a game for us?

What other DL should we have been on?

What other DL are in-state?
Read my post again. Read the third sentence. Read it again.

Idk what other DL we should been on. That's not the point of my post. I'm not saying he's done a bad job. He just hasn't done a job yet. I'm just saying I wasn't sold on him in the first place. That's not to say he turns out to be pretty good with SEC talent. But out of all our assistants, Phelps gives me the least confidence.

There are no other in-state DL, hence the "Ty Cooper" or bust comment.

[KOdawg1]

So we're likely looking at a situation where we have one spot to choose between Kanarius Johnson and Jacobi Moore. That's tough bc I really like both.

[ShotgunDawg]

So we're likely looking at a situation where we have one spot to choose between Kanarius Johnson and Jacobi Moore. That's tough bc I really like both.

Or Deion Smith flips.

I think the fact that you have options between Johnson & Moore allows you wait to see how both look in their SR season & to see if Deion considers flipping.

[KOdawg1]

Or Deion Smith flips.

I think the fact that you have options between Johnson & Moore allows you wait to see how both look in their SR season & to see if Deion considers flipping.

I think you hold a spot for Deion regardless. Even if we have 5 receivers committed, if Deion shows interest in flipping, you take 6 and worry about the numbers later.

[msu15]

So we're likely looking at a situation where we have one spot to choose between Kanarius Johnson and Jacobi Moore. That's tough bc I really like both.

I do as well, but it's hard for me to turn down Moore's size.

[bulldawg28]

That & the Timar also looks really fast.

We've haven't had a ton of team speed in the past, so saying that Leach will build the fastest MSU teams ever isn't a stretch at all.

MSU has always gone with size but never really speed. Even our best teams were more physical than fast.

Our best teams have been physical AND Fast. We've never been a big 10 style team. Jackie's teams were always exceptionally fast. Timar is 195 lbs and a 4.6 guy. He's not Willie Gay no matter how you slice it. However, he is a solid player.

[Tripp McNeely]

Looks like we're closing in on Loftin & Nabors.

I've figured out what this staff likes..... speed, speed, & oh yeah..... more speed

Which kind of makes sense when you throw the ball 60 times a game. If the QB if taught to go through progressions & find the open man, then it's imperative that your WRs create separation so that the QB can make good decisions. It's not rocket science that speed creates separation. Agility & route running does as well, but speed is the number 1 way

What's odd to me about Loftin is that this staff is recruiting him like he's a boarderline 5 star & he barely has any Power 5 offers. It's a clear case of this staff valuing something in him that others really don't

Lofton has 10 other P5 offers, and his #2 is PSU

[ShotgunDawg]

Our best teams have been physical AND Fast. We've never been a big 10 style team. Jackie's teams were always exceptionally fast. Timar is 195 lbs and a 4.6 guy. He's not Willie Gay no matter how you slice it. However, he is a solid player.

He looks faster than 4.6 on film. 40 time is misleading. Guys can be much better in the shuttle, which is more important to football

I disagree with our teams being big and fast. Grated we've never been a Big 10 team, but we're recruiting offensive speed we've never had right now.

[bulldawg28]

He looks faster than 4.6 on film. 40 time is misleading. Guys can be much better in the shuttle, which is more important to football

I disagree with our teams being big and fast. Grated we've never been a Big 10 team, but we're recruiting offensive speed we've never had right now.

I hear you.

[KOdawg1]

Had some time, so I thought I'd lay out our commits and who we're after by position so we can look at it from a broader view. (Commits are in bold.)

QB: (2)

Sawyer Robertson
Daniel Greek

RB: (1-2)

Amariyon Howard
Carlois Walker
Ahmonte Watkins

WR: (4-5)

Brandon Buckhaulter
Teddy Knox
Malik Nabers
Da'wain Lofton
Kanarius Johnson
Jacobi Moore
Deion Smith

OL: (4-5)

Makylan Pounders
Canon Boone
Rod Orr
Weston Franklin
Kimo Makaneole
Caleb Etienne
Jim Riley

DE: (2)

Ty Cooper
Byron Turner Jr. (hybrid)
Nick Dimitris
Jevon Nelson

DT: (1)

Devin Lee
Jamond Gordon
Demarcus Smith

MLB: (1)

Navonteque Strong

OLB: (2)

Timar Rogers
Chase Smith
Raheim Sanders
Steven Cattledge

CB: (3)

Cortez Eatmon
Justin Walley
Brandon Toles (can play safety too)
Adrian Huey

S: (3-4)

Myzel Williams
Corey Ellington
Matthew Langlois
Jadarrius Perkins
MJ Daniels

[ZedFedder]

Brendan Toles*

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Had some time, so I thought I'd lay out our commits and who we're after by position so we can look at it from a broader view. (Commits are in bold.)

QB: (2)

Sawyer Robertson
Daniel Greek

RB: (1-2)

Amariyon Howard
Carlois Walker
Ahmonte Watkins

WR: (4-5)

Brandon Buckhaulter
Teddy Knox
Malik Nabers
Da'wain Lofton
Kanarius Johnson
Jacobi Moore
Deion Smith

OL: (4-5)

Makylan Pounders
Canon Boone
Rod Orr
Weston Franklin
Kimo Makaneole
Caleb Etienne
Jim Riley

DE: (2)

Ty Cooper
Byron Turner Jr. (hybrid)
Nick Dimitris
Jevon Nelson

DT: (1)

Devin Lee
Jamond Gordon
Demarcus Smith

MLB: (1)

Navonteque Strong

OLB: (2)

Timar Rogers
Chase Smith
Raheim Sanders
Steven Cattledge

CB: (3)

Cortez Eatmon
Justin Walley
Brandon Toles (can play safety too)
Adrian Huey

S: (3-4)

Myzel Williams
Corey Ellington
Matthew Langlois
Jadarrius Perkins
MJ Daniels

Some other targets

S - Kadarrius Calloway
Hybrid/OLB - Miles Capers
LB - Jaydon Hood
RB - Jaylin White
CB - Yulkeith Brown

I'm sure I missed a few more.

[KOdawg1]

Some other targets

S - Kadarrius Calloway
Hybrid/OLB - Miles Capers
LB - Jaydon Hood
RB - Jaylin White
CB - Yulkeith Brown

I'm sure I missed a few more.

I thought about putting Calloway on there, but I just don't see him coming back.

Yulkeith Brown intrigues me. He's a south Florida kid, so those will go anywhere. Obviously Miami bears watching with him, but maybe Jamar offering him gets us in the game.

Seems like Jaydon Hood is all Michigan based on his 247 profile.

[ShotgunDawg]

I thought about putting Calloway on there, but I just don't see him coming back.


So the target list is based on your opinion vs the reality.

Why can't you see him coming back? You don't think there's anyway we could get him back even when we've done so in the past with Bama commits?

[Tripp McNeely]

So the target list is based on your opinion vs the reality.

Why can't you see him coming back? You don't think there's anyway we could get him back even when we've done so in the past with Bama commits?

I think that if you do the work to put in a target list, you should probably be able to base it on your opinion, what you?ve read, research, etc...where?s your list?

[KOdawg1]

So the target list is based on your opinion vs the reality.

Why can't you see him coming back? You don't think there's anyway we could get him back even when we've done so in the past with Bama commits?

Of course it's my opinion. Idk what the reality is bc I'm not an insider nor do I claim to be. Make your own list of "the reality" if you think he comes back.

[KOdawg1]

I think that if you do the work to put in a target list, you should probably be able to base it on your opinion, what you?ve read, research, etc...where?s your list?


I lost my crystal ball a few weeks back, so my bad on not being able tell the future "reality" **

[Tripp McNeely]

I lost my crystal ball a few weeks back, so my bad on not being able tell the future "reality" **

☝️☝️

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I thought about putting Calloway on there, but I just don't see him coming back.

Yulkeith Brown intrigues me. He's a south Florida kid, so those will go anywhere. Obviously Miami bears watching with him, but maybe Jamar offering him gets us in the game.

Seems like Jaydon Hood is all Michigan based on his 247 profile.

Calloway's not done. Not ready to say he flips back but it's a long way from over.

Correct on Brown they'll go anywhere. Penn St & A&M are after him the hardest. If we put the press on him then we can make it interesting imo.

Hood is pretty solid to Michigan but he & Jamar are really close. Jamar all but offered Hood at Florida but was then overruled by the staff. It may be nothing but I see him at least listening to Jamar. He was Jamar's 1st call when he got the job so he sees something in the kid.

[KOdawg1]

Calloway's not done. Not ready to say he flips back but it's a long way from over.

Correct on Brown they'll go anywhere. Penn St & A&M are after him the hardest. If we put the press on him then we can make it interesting imo.

Hood is pretty solid to Michigan but he & Jamar are really close. Jamar all but offered Hood at Florida but was then overruled by the staff. It may be nothing but I see him at least listening to Jamar. He was Jamar's 1st call when he got the job so he sees something in the kid.
Didn't know that on Hood. Thanks for the info. Jamar Chaney was a huge hire in more ways than one.

[HancockCountyDog]

Some other targets

S - Kadarrius Calloway
Hybrid/OLB - Miles Capers
LB - Jaydon Hood
RB - Jaylin White
CB - Yulkeith Brown

I'm sure I missed a few more.

We need more OL. Hoping to see some more names soon.

[MetEdDawg]

We need more OL. Hoping to see some more names soon.

I know this will be a weird recruiting year for the state of MS because we typically get a lot of kids that don't get noticed until later in the game and Covid has messed that up.

But on 24/7, there is only 1 kid in the Top 15 of MS that's not a skill position guy. No DL. Only 1 OL. In the Top 20 there's only 2 OL/DL. That's crushing our ability to get quality in state guys because the talent pool just isn't up to par with normal. Great year for skill guys. But we are having to look out of state for OL and DL and while we've had success in that in the past, we've never really been forced to do it to the degree we are this year it seems like.

[ShotgunDawg]

I know this will be a weird recruiting year for the state of MS because we typically get a lot of kids that don't get noticed until later in the game and Covid has messed that up.

But on 24/7, there is only 1 kid in the Top 15 of MS that's not a skill position guy. No DL. Only 1 OL. In the Top 20 there's only 2 OL/DL. That's crushing our ability to get quality in state guys because the talent pool just isn't up to par with normal. Great year for skill guys. But we are having to look out of state for OL and DL and while we've had success in that in the past, we've never really been forced to do it to the degree we are this year it seems like.

I could be wrong, but it would seem that OL & DL would be the latest developers due to their size & the need to gain coordination.

Therefore, this could be a situation where once the season starts OL & DL in Mississippi start to pop up. Those guys aren't going to get the benefit of 7 on 7

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We need more OL. Hoping to see some more names soon.

I'd add Max Merril. I think he's close to an offer.

[msbulldog]

I'd add Max Merril. I think he's close to an offer.

IYOK, do you see more in Merril than the evaluators, the 247 composite has him 1244 nationally, 105 OT and 184 in Texas?

[KOdawg1]

IYOK, do you see more in Merril than the evaluators, the 247 composite has him 1244 nationally, 105 OT and 184 in Texas?

Can't really look at where the recruiting services have kids ranked this year because there have been very few camps/showcases for them to evaluate.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

IYOK, do you see more in Merril than the evaluators, the 247 composite has him 1244 nationally, 105 OT and 184 in Texas?

I haven't done a ton of research on him. He's approaching double figure P5 offers so he's not a diamond in the rough per se.

[KOdawg1]

Most of these are c/o 2022, but here are some kids Jamar has offered since being hired

https://247sports.com/Player/Travis-Shaw-46057330/

https://247sports.com/Player/Billy-Schrauth-46096599/

https://247sports.com/Player/Kamari-Wilson-46058753/

https://247sports.com/player/nick-williams-46100673/

https://247sports.com/Player/Jamari-Lyons-46078829/

https://247sports.com/Player/Shawn-Murphy-46059224/

https://247sports.com/Player/Jaron-Willis-46098925/

https://247sports.com/Player/Tavorus-Jones-46101298/

https://247sports.com/Player/Tyler-Booker-46057337/

https://247sports.com/Player/Cyrus-Moss-46056265/

https://247sports.com/Player/Antonio-Martin-46095019/

https://247sports.com/Player/Kam-Dewberry-46056698/

https://247sports.com/Player/Travious-Lathan-46085491/

https://247sports.com/Player/Jeadyn-Lukus-46095135/

https://247sports.com/Player/Kenyatta-Jackson-46084576/

That's a lot of star power that we have little to no shot with, but it hurts no one to at least offer. I like that Jamar came in with guns blazing

[ShotgunDawg]

Looks like Loftin will end up committing to VT today.

Our recruiting guys appear completely clueless on recruiting this year.

That being said, any WR stupid enough to choose that VT offense I've seen on TV instead of playing for Leach, isn't likely right in the head and go for all I care.

[ShotgunDawg]

If Loftin commits to VT today, I'd back off immediately.

Sideways recruitments usually equal sideways kids.

He ain't worth it. Sign up KJ and move on.

[ZedFedder]

https://mobile.twitter.com/DawainL/status/1286375589021208578

Va. Tech it is.

[HailStateSZN19]

Now make a push for Kanarius Johnson and get him in the boat. Hopefully Nabers pulls the trigger soon.

Is there anymore smoke out there about Deion Smith? Is he gone or is the door slightly cracked to where if we have a great season passing the ball & LSU comes down to earth, we could maybe make something happen?

[ZedFedder]

Also, while our recruiting guys were extremely wrong, so was everyone else up until today. He had 5 or 6 crystal balls to State before today by different analysts.

Deion Smith is supposedly listening, but I wouldn’t get my hopes up. Get K. Johnson and Jacobi Moore and call it a day. That’s if KJ would come, though I think he would.

[Cooterpoot]

3 star talent with 4 star speed and a kid that can't make a decision for himself. We won't chase after him.

[ZedFedder]

3 star talent with 4 star speed and a kid that can't make a decision for himself. We won't chase after him.

I wouldn’t chase after him either, but I really thought he could be good in this offense. Seemed our coaches thought so, too. He has some nice offers.

[Irondawg]

I still abhor the idea of verbal commitments. Kid may or might not stick with it - we'll see. Just odd how VT was never mentioned with him until he's suddenly committed to them. I don't see how anybody can really commit to a non top 10 program right now without taking visits and stuff.

Recruiting is almost worthless these days until signing day b/c so many kids will flip or waffle. Sometimes because they don't know what they want to do, but often because they just want attention.

I'd like it better if they called it a verbal pledge than a commitment. If you're ready to actually commit you should be able to sign papers.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Get Nabers in the boat the next few weeks & I slow WR recruiting way down for a while.

[ZedFedder]

Get Nabers in the boat the next few weeks & I slow WR recruiting way down for a while.

Probably a good idea.

[Bothrops]

Are we very sure about Nabors still?

[ShotgunDawg]

Get Nabers in the boat the next few weeks & I slow WR recruiting way down for a while.

I agree with this. Plus, I'd want to see which of KJ and Moore was actually better their SR year. Plus, if our offense takes off, maybe Deion and another want to come.

[ShotgunDawg]

Are we very sure about Nabors still?

I wouldn't be sure of anything the 247 guys say right now.

They'll be right on some, but COVID and a new staff has them lost right now. Regardless of what their crystal balls say, they're a dice roll right now.

[ShotgunDawg]

3 star talent with 4 star speed and a kid that can't make a decision for himself. We won't chase after him.

My issue with Loftin was that he'll probably end up at TCU anyway.

TCU hasn't offered yet because, like us with instate kids, they know they'll get a commitment and thus want to wait.

Even if Loftin would've committed to us today, I don't think he would've signed with us and, additionally, with all the transfers nowadays, you need to get guys that aren't going to leave you

[msu15]

Jacobi Moore just sitting out there to be had for us.

[ShotgunDawg]

Jacobi Moore just sitting out there to be had for us.

And I'm sure we'll get him if we offer. May as well wait to see how he looks as a SR. If Nabors commits, there is literally no rush.

[KOdawg1]

We need to take our time with these WR spots. Absolutely take Nabers if/when he wants to commit. But we don't need to fill up just yet. Moore and Johnson will commit if we push. Deion is still a priority. We're still in very good shape. This offense is going to recruit WRs.

My only concern is the possibility of Buckhaulter flipping back to OM. The fact that he's still listening isn't encouraging. He's not a can't miss prospect, but he's very good, and don't let anyone tell you different. If (IF) he does flip, then you take both Moore and Johnson. Then you go to a plan B guy for the fifth spot should we choose to take that many. It could be a kid like Cameron Wright (committed to Memphis) or an out of state guy.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We need to take our time with these WR spots. Absolutely take Nabers if/when he wants to commit. But we don't need to fill up just yet. Moore and Johnson will commit if we push. Deion is still a priority. We're still in very good shape. This offense is going to recruit WRs.

My only concern is the possibility of Buckhaulter flipping back to OM. The fact that he's still listening isn't encouraging. He's not a can't miss prospect, but he's very good, and don't let anyone tell you different. If (IF) he does flip, then you take both Moore and Johnson. Then you go to a plan B guy for the fifth spot should we choose to take that many. It could be a kid like Cameron Wright (committed to Memphis) or an out of state guy.

Odds of us taking a 5th WR isn't great. This is likely a 4 WR class.

[KOdawg1]

Odds of us taking a 5th WR isn't great. This is likely a 4 WR class.

Makes sense considering we took Shavers who is essentially like a JUCO transfer.

So we're basically looking at two options:

Buckhaulter
Knox
Nabers
Johnson/Moore

or should Buckhaulter flip

Knox
Nabers
Johnson
Moore

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Makes sense considering we took Shavers who is essentially like a JUCO transfer.

So we're basically looking at two options:

Buckhaulter
Knox
Nabers
Johnson/Moore

or should Buckhaulter flip

Knox
Nabers
Johnson
Moore

I don't think those are the only options.

[KOdawg1]

I don't think those are the only options.

Not the only options but the most likely imo.

There are some uncommitted receivers out in Texas I've been looking at. KJ Liggins (https://247sports.com/Player/KJ-Liggins-46049704/) and Jimmy Valsin (https://247sports.com/Player/Jimmy-Valsin-46086445/). Christian Lewis from Rodney Groce's high school is currently committed to Kentucky, but he was interested in us at one time, so he could potentially be a plan B guy. Then of course, you've got Antonio Harmon and Cameron Wright in-state to target. Plenty of options, I just see it playing out one of those two ways. Unless we flip Deion. But I think you take him regardless of your numbers.

[ejdallas322]

Ty Keyes commits to Tulane

[ZedFedder]

Ty Keyes commits to Tulane

Honestly that’s a great commit for him. He will kill it there.

[KOdawg1]

Ty Keyes commits to Tulane
Will Hall will be great for Ty. That's a great spot for him.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Will Hall will be great for Ty. That's a great spot for him.

I wonder how long or if he'll ever get to coach Ty. Will is a rising star in the profession & I don't think he's long for Tulane.

[Cooterpoot]

I wonder how long or if he'll ever get to coach Ty. Will is a rising star in the profession & I don't think he's long for Tulane.

I'll go ahead and say, Keyes ends up at MGCCC.

[HailStateSZN19]

We got Nabers incoming? Saw Mason Miller tweet his usual GIF and said "Hail State!!! Fun On the bayou!!!" and then saw Rosebowl tweet the Pirate Flag GIF....

[FISHDAWG]

We got Nabers incoming? Saw Mason Miller tweet his usual GIF and said "Hail State!!! Fun On the bayou!!!" and then saw Rosebowl tweet the Pirate Flag GIF....

what does fun on the Bayou mean ?

[sscjr1]

what does fun on the Bayou mean ?

Louisiana?

[FISHDAWG]

Louisiana?

Yeah I got that ..... I guess it's between us and LSU is what he's saying ? Then why did Rosie tweet the pirate flag ?

[Heydawg]

https://twitter.com/comeguard_malik/status/1288172328493490179?s=21

[Bothrops]

Hope LSU is not in this

[KOdawg1]

Hope LSU is not in this

They aren't right now but it's something to watch down the road

[ZedFedder]

Hope LSU keeps their big WR commitments... Well, except one that lives in Jackson.

[KOdawg1]

New in-state OL offer to Gabe Cavazos out of Lake Cormorant, MS.

https://247sports.com/Player/Gabe-Cavasos-46103219/

Showing other offers from Memphis, Arkansas State, and Middle Tennessee State. His film is decent, but you can't take much from OL film. Typically, big guys will be dominant on size alone. He is very quick though. He supposedly has run a 4.8 forty, so at 6'5 and 290 lbs, that's impressive. I like the offer.

[ZedFedder]

New in-state OL offer to Gabe Cavazos out of Lake Cormorant, MS.

https://247sports.com/Player/Gabe-Cavasos-46103219/

Showing other offers from Memphis, Arkansas State, and Middle Tennessee State. His film is decent, but you can't take much from OL film. Typically, big guys will be dominant on size alone. He is very quick though. He supposedly has run a 4.8 forty, so at 6'5 and 290 lbs, that's impressive. I like the offer.

Shouldn’t take long for him to jump on it.

[MetEdDawg]

Tre'von Marshall just announced his commitment

We must be really high on this guy being underrated. Not seeing any solid offers. We are his only P5 offer

[KOdawg1]

New DE commitment

1289348812637528064

https://247sports.com/Player/Trevon-Marshall-46103158/

[Ari Gold]

Tre'von Marshall just announced his commitment

We must be really high on this guy being underrated. Not seeing any solid offers. We are his only P5 offer

More will come. And some may come that we have to fend off...

[KOdawg1]

I like this kid. I like his story. I think he'll end up being good.

I'm not sure taking him this early was the best idea. There are several other DE prospects out there that we now have to essentially pass on since we're likely taking 3 DL in this class. You save a spot for Ty Cooper. You fight like hell for Devin Lee at DT. Then later down the road, you take this guy for that last spot if no one else better jumps out at you. Unless this kid is a hybrid or something, it doesn't make sense this early.

[Westdawg]

He's going to be a hybrid LB. he's playing academy ball in GA. That's the biggest reason he's not gotten many offers, along with not really hitting the camp circuit.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

He's going to be a hybrid LB. he's playing academy ball in GA. That's the biggest reason he's not gotten many offers, along with not really hitting the camp circuit.

Naw we want him as a DE not the hybrid role. He's transferred to Locust Grove a 5A public school so more eyes will be on him.

[msu15]

He's going to be a hybrid LB. he's playing academy ball in GA. That's the biggest reason he's not gotten many offers, along with not really hitting the camp circuit.

Na. He's already 240 and will play way heavier that in college. He'll be a Defensive End for us in our 3 man front.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Ty Keyes commits to Tulane

Keyes has some real potential. But I watched him against Jackson Prep and he was clearly overwhelmed. So he's got a long way to go. But Will Hall can develop him I think. Agree though that Will Hall may not be there long. He's going to be in demand.

[Cooterpoot]

Keyes has some real potential. But I watched him against Jackson Prep and he was clearly overwhelmed. So he's got a long way to go. But Will Hall can develop him I think. Agree though that Will Hall may not be there long. He's going to be in demand.

His receivers had double digit drops that night. He had a 60 yd TD run called back on an "inadvertent" whistle. Had at least 3 TD drops behind the defense. Missed one throw for a TD. Taylorsville played poorly but Keyes didn't.

[maroonmania]

Naw we want him as a DE not the hybrid role. He's transferred to Locust Grove a 5A public school so more eyes will be on him.

And that's really not good for us. The more he stays hidden the more likely it would be he sticks with us. Right now he doesn't even have any other P5 offers. Concerned there may be some things the Leach staff learns the hard way. Guess we will see.

[Bothrops]

How do we feel about DL Devin Lee? He released his top several and we are in it along with Old Miss. From Georgia and VT is a finalist as well.

[KOdawg1]

How do we feel about DL Devin Lee? He released his top several and we are in it along with Old Miss. From Georgia and VT is a finalist as well.
I don't know how we stand as far as his favorites go, but I know he's important in regards to our DL class. If you get him and Cooper, you can feel pretty good about where things stand, and it gives you some leeway to take a shot at an unknown like Marshall. Not gonna say he's a must have, but he's pretty close.

[BrunswickDawg]

And that's really not good for us. The more he stays hidden the more likely it would be he sticks with us. Right now he doesn't even have any other P5 offers. Concerned there may be some things the Leach staff learns the hard way. Guess we will see.

Maybe, maybe not. Locust Grove is coming off of a 1-9 season.

[Cowbell]

And that's really not good for us. The more he stays hidden the more likely it would be he sticks with us. Right now he doesn't even have any other P5 offers. Concerned there may be some things the Leach staff learns the hard way. Guess we will see.
By now, I will be surprised if Leach has to learn much the hard way. We hired the absolute furthest person from a green coach as is universally possible.

[maroonmania]

By now, I will be surprised if Leach has to learn much the hard way. We hired the absolute furthest person from a green coach as is universally possible.

I don't care how many years he's coached, recruiting in the SEC in football is just a different animal. He did spend 2 years as OC at KY over 20 years ago but I doubt he was even involved much in recruiting at that time there as an OC.

[vv83]

By now, I will be surprised if Leach has to learn much the hard way. We hired the absolute furthest person from a green coach as is universally possible.

I dont think hes ever seen anything that even remotely resembles the 17ery that ole miss has and will pull

[msbulldog]

The good thing is I know Leach is smarter by an exponential amount over any Network person.

[Cooterpoot]

I dont think hes ever seen anything that even remotely resembles the 17ery that ole miss has and will pull

OM is barely on the recruiting radar. He's doing fine compared to them.

[MaroonFlounder]

OL Gabe Cavazos has committed.

[KOdawg1]

I like Cavazos. Very solid.

Now we need to go get Etienne. Need to keep recruiting Weston Franklin. Rod Orr leaving us out of his top 5 hurt today, so we need to get in the game with some others.

[Todd4State]

I like Cavazos. Very solid.

Now we need to go get Etienne. Need to keep recruiting Weston Franklin. Rod Orr leaving us out of his top 5 hurt today, so we need to get in the game with some others.

I agree. But I also think some o-linemen emerge during the season as well in the high school ranks in Mississippi.

[1bigdawg]

I agree. But I also think some o-linemen emerge during the season as well in the high school ranks in Mississippi.

They usually do.

[Ari Gold]

I don't care how many years he's coached, recruiting in the SEC in football is just a different animal. He did spend 2 years as OC at KY over 20 years ago but I doubt he was even involved much in recruiting at that time there as an OC.

Well with Nabers, Knox and Robertson... Leach and the boys have already pulled 3 4 stars from other states. If they build on that and with the 2022 class in state looking to be much deeper with talent we will be just fine ...

[Ari Gold]

I don't care how many years he's coached, recruiting in the SEC in football is just a different animal. He did spend 2 years as OC at KY over 20 years ago but I doubt he was even involved much in recruiting at that time there as an OC.

Well with Nabers, Knox and Robertson... Leach and the boys have already pulled 3 4 stars from other states. If they build on that and with the 2022 class in state looking to be much deeper with talent we will be just fine ...

[ZedFedder]

Don’t be surprised if we get another commit in the next few weeks.

[Bothrops]

Don’t be surprised if we get another commit in the next few weeks.

Going out on a limb there, eh...

[Uncle Ruckus]

Don’t be surprised if we get another commit in the next few weeks.

you must really have some good sources

[maroonmania]

Well with Nabers, Knox and Robertson... Leach and the boys have already pulled 3 4 stars from other states. If they build on that and with the 2022 class in state looking to be much deeper with talent we will be just fine ...

My point was really focused on taking a commitment this early from an out-of-state DE prospect in SEC country that has no P5 offers yet. We just sort of helped put the spotlight on him and if we expect him to raise his profile significantly we are going to have to try and hold a GA kid even if GA, TN, FL, etc. come offering. We already lost a commitment over there to Miami as soon as they offered. I'm not nearly as worried about a Mike Leach offense holding QB and WR commitments.

[SmokeyDawg]

My point was really focused on taking a commitment this early from an out-of-state DE prospect in SEC country that has no P5 offers yet. We just sort of helped put the spotlight on him and if we expect him to raise his profile significantly we are going to have to try and hold a GA kid even if GA, TN, FL, etc. come offering. We already lost a commitment over there to Miami as soon as they offered. I'm not nearly as worried about a Mike Leach offense holding QB and WR commitments.

This is a losers mentality. Go find the guys we want, if they are worth taking a commitment from, take it. If they flip, go find another. It's not the players you don't get that determine your success, it's the players you do get.

[msu15]

This is a losers mentality. Go find the guys we want, if they are worth taking a commitment from, take it. If they flip, go find another. It's not the players you don't get that determine your success, it's the players you do get.

+1

[Uncle Ruckus]

My point was really focused on taking a commitment this early from an out-of-state DE prospect in SEC country that has no P5 offers yet. We just sort of helped put the spotlight on him and if we expect him to raise his profile significantly we are going to have to try and hold a GA kid even if GA, TN, FL, etc. come offering. We already lost a commitment over there to Miami as soon as they offered. I'm not nearly as worried about a Mike Leach offense holding QB and WR commitments.
Yeah it has bitten us in the ass before, like with Chris Jones.

[maroonmania]

Yeah it has bitten us in the ass before, like with Chris Jones.

Hopefully this guy sticks and we sign a good prospect. I certainly hope that turns out to be the case. But comparing the situation with a random recruit over in GA with a guy from Houston, MS is apples and oranges.

[msu15]

Hopefully this guy sticks and we sign a good prospect. I certainly hope that turns out to be the case. But comparing the situation with a random recruit over in GA with a guy from Houston, MS is apples and oranges.

Like Preston Smith?

[maroonmania]

Like Preston Smith?

If Marshall ends up with the same offer sheet that Preston Smith had then we will have no issues holding him.

[Todd4State]

Yeah it has bitten us in the ass before, like with Chris Jones.

How so? Yes, he recruiting process was dramatic but he still ended up a Bulldog and I'm not even sure if he ever really de-committed or not I can't remember.

If that's biting us in the ass I'm bending over.

[Todd4State]

And I'll add this- I bet the majority of our guys that flip are out of state guys offered by their home state school or another out of state SEC school that has a connection to the player like the guy that was from Louisiana that went to Arkansas.

[Cowbell]

I don't care how many years he's coached, recruiting in the SEC in football is just a different animal. He did spend 2 years as OC at KY over 20 years ago but I doubt he was even involved much in recruiting at that time there as an OC.
Why would an OC not be involved Much with recruiting? You do realize he has recruited heavily against Texas, OU, Oregon and USC since?? You do realize one of our main recruiters is Steve spurrier son? I think they have it handled.

[maroonmania]

Why would an OC not be involved Much with recruiting? You do realize he has recruited heavily against Texas, OU, Oregon and USC since?? You do realize one of our main recruiters is Steve spurrier son? I think they have it handled.

Besides the fact that Leach is not a guy who loves recruiting, its fairly standard at most schools that the OC and DC aren't the guys that have a lot of responsibility in the recruiting process. That normally falls much more on the position coaches.

[ZedFedder]

Brendan Toles to State. This was what I referred to the other day.

[DEDawg]

Brendan Toles to State. This was what I referred to the other day.

So what?s the deal with him? 2 star on 247 is he just bad underrated? Wonder how many WR we?re taking

[ZedFedder]

So what?s the deal with him? 2 star on 247 is he just bad underrated? Wonder how many WR we?re taking

I think he’s underrated. Runs really fast. He’s a CB for us though.

[msbulldog]

So what?s the deal with him? 2 star on 247 is he just bad underrated? Wonder how many WR we?re taking

He was recruited as a cornerback. He's in the same position as many kids this year there was no spring evaluation or summer camps, so no good opportunity for evaluation by the rating services. I think I read somewhere, maybe 247, he's pretty fast, 4.4-4.6 range.

[1bigdawg]

Supposedly ran a 4.39 in Vicksburg.

[KOdawg1]

Lafayette County produces good players. They fit our culture and mentality. Oxford High School resembles Ole Miss.

[Hambone]

More good news potentially coming this weekend?

Seems to be there could be another commit or two?

[ZedFedder]

Lafayette County produces good players. They fit our culture and mentality. Oxford High School resembles Ole Miss.

This is correct. A lot of MSU fans in the county, too.

[KOdawg1]

Jacobi Moore announces tonight at 5 according to his twitter. Should be to the good guys. Not thrilled he's using Scott Lindsey though.

[msbulldog]

He committed 16 now.

[MaroonFlounder]

Does Jacobi Moore project well on the SEC level?

[KOdawg1]

Does Jacobi Moore project well on the SEC level?

Yes. 4.4 speed with a 6'3" frame that will put on muscle. He's not as polished in terms of route running and the in's and out's of being a WR, but he has very good athleticism. Very good get.

[KOdawg1]

http://www.hudl.com/v/2CMNwt

[ZedFedder]

Yes. 4.4 speed with a 6'3" frame that will put on muscle. He's not as polished in terms of route running and the in's and out's of being a WR, but he has very good athleticism. Very good get.

That’s how I feel about him. It may take two years of weight room and skills training, but I think his ceiling is as high as any of the receivers we have. He’s just really raw.

[Turfdawg67]

I'll say it since Shotgun is on a hiatus... he's twitchy.

[Cooterpoot]

That’s how I feel about him. It may take two years of weight room and skills training, but I think his ceiling is as high as any of the receivers we have. He’s just really raw.

Let's not get carried away

[KOdawg1]

I'll say it since Shotgun is on a hiatus... he's twitchy.

Noice

[KOdawg1]

This probably means we don't take Kanarius Johnson. I like him, but the numbers are starting to get tight. The only way I see us taking another WR is if a "can't miss" guy shows interest (Deion cough, cough)

So,

Teddy Knox
Malik Nabers
Brandon Buckhaulter
Jacobi Moore

Throw the kitchen sink at Deion

Not half bad.

[msu15]

I wanted Jacobi very badly. He was one of the most important recruits for me.

[Ari Gold]

I would be willing to bet that this is CML highest rated WR recruiting class he has had in a long time or maybe even ever..
Hammer that defense in next years in state 2022 class and keep recruiting out of state and things will start to getting interesting ...

[Todd4State]

I would be willing to bet that this is CML highest rated WR recruiting class he has had in a long time or maybe even ever..
Hammer that defense in next years in state 2022 class and keep recruiting out of state and things will start to getting interesting ...

THIS. 2023 is our year I think.

[Offshore Dawg]

THIS. 2023 is our year I think.

Hang in there people in hell want ice water.

[KOdawg1]

Safety prospect Matthew Langlois surprisingly commits to Kansas State. Thought he'd be ours. Need to either flip Kadarrius Calloway back or get Jardin Gilbert or MJ Daniels. Gotta get one of those three.

[ZedFedder]

Safety prospect Matthew Langlois surprisingly commits to Kansas State. Thought he'd be ours. Need to either flip Kadarrius Calloway back or get Jardin Gilbert or MJ Daniels. Gotta get one of those three.

Our recruiting guys have not been too accurate thus far. That is surprising. I understand why this year would be a weird one, though.

[Todd4State]

Our recruiting guys have not been too accurate thus far. That is surprising. I understand why this year would be a weird one, though.

Typically happens when we get a new staff in place.

[ZedFedder]

Typically happens when we get a new staff in place.

True.

[Westdawg]

New official offer to a BIG TIME DL :
Shambre (Vincent) Jackson

4 ⭐️ ESPN 300 DL
https://m.facebook.com/vincent.jackson.3720/posts/2804948386223786

Wow

[Cooterpoot]

New official offer to a BIG TIME DL :
Shambre (Vincent) Jackson

4 ⭐️ ESPN 300 DL
https://m.facebook.com/vincent.jackson.3720/posts/2804948386223786

Wow

No shot at all

[Homedawg]

No shot at all

this

[Hambone]

You don’t sign 100% of the players you don’t offer.

[Offshore Dawg]

As of today the Dawgs are 26 based on star average not counting number of commitments

[Ari Gold]

Remember the name Kason Boston.. DE from Jackson -Olin
If football is played in the Bham area this kid could make some noise ..
We have offered
You want a possible diamond in the rough .. this could be him . Very raw with great size ( will get bigger ) and athletic
Would love to get him

[Cooterpoot]

You don’t sign 100% of the players you don’t offer.

Has nothing to do with a kid we've offered who isn't coming here.

[MetEdDawg]

Remember the name Kason Boston.. DE from Jackson -Olin
If football is played in the Bham area this kid could make some noise ..
We have offered
You want a possible diamond in the rough .. this could be him . Very raw with great size ( will get bigger ) and athletic
Would love to get him

Birmingham City has canceled all middle school fall sports. High school still full go. At that size in his region, he's got a chance to show out and get noticed. He will play teams like Pinson Valley (Bo Nix's high school and perennial 6A contender), Minor High School, Clay Chalkville, and they also have a game against Calera, who had a couple D1 talents last year.

AHSAA has been adamant that we are playing this year and starting on time. They haven't backed down at all from that. All our high schools have games starting next Friday.

[Heydawg]

https://twitter.com/mjdaniels11/status/1297220618195218432?s=21

Made the top 4, didn?t we get left off the top 6?

[Cooterpoot]

https://twitter.com/mjdaniels11/status/1297220618195218432?s=21

Made the top 4, didn?t we get left off the top 6?

Don't get too excited.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Don't get too excited.

I'm not saying we get him but we're in it way more than people realize.

[ShotgunDawg]

Walley commits to Minnesota but won't sign there.

Not even worth discussing

[Irondawg]

I think some of these kids have figured out doing this just generates a bunch of attention and they eat it up. Like Daniels putting Indiana is his first top 5 or whatever

[KOdawg1]

I don't think Walley sticks with Minnesota either. That's nothing against them; they're building something very good there. But Minnesota is a LONG way from D'Iberville, MS.

I also don't get the freak out over CB recruiting that I've seen on twitter and other message boards. We signed 2 (count with me, TWO) 4 star CBs last year to go along with a solid prospect in Selmon. We've got a very good commit in Cortez Eatmon. Brendon Toles is a very athletic kid that can play corner if we need him to. There's a false narrative out there that we've struggled with CB recruiting, but that's simply not the case.

No question we need to land Walley, especially with us having his brother on the team. Just let it play out though.

[DEDawg]

I don't think Walley sticks with Minnesota either. That's nothing against them; they're building something very good there. But Minnesota is a LONG way from D'Iberville, MS.

I also don't get the freak out over CB recruiting that I've seen on twitter and other message boards. We signed 2 (count with me, TWO) 4 star CBs last year to go along with a solid prospect in Selmon. We've got a very good commit in Cortez Eatmon. Brendon Toles is a very athletic kid that can play corner if we need him to. There's a false narrative out there that we've struggled with CB recruiting, but that's simply not the case.

No question we need to land Walley, especially with us having his brother on the team. Just let it play out though.

Eh corners are getting way more important in the SEC. it?s definitely fair to be concerned. We have nothing there now and essentially hoping true freshmen pan out this year. Last year was good but need consistency there

[ShotgunDawg]

I don't think Walley sticks with Minnesota either. That's nothing against them; they're building something very good there. But Minnesota is a LONG way from D'Iberville, MS.

I also don't get the freak out over CB recruiting that I've seen on twitter and other message boards. We signed 2 (count with me, TWO) 4 star CBs last year to go along with a solid prospect in Selmon. We've got a very good commit in Cortez Eatmon. Brendon Toles is a very athletic kid that can play corner if we need him to. There's a false narrative out there that we've struggled with CB recruiting, but that's simply not the case.

No question we need to land Walley, especially with us having his brother on the team. Just let it play out though.

CB recruiting hasn't been bad.

However, losing Jarrian & Tyler Williams for the season has made it a hole on the roster & thus something people that don't know what they're talking about say in a recruiting problem.

[ShotgunDawg]

Eh corners are getting way more important in the SEC. it?s definitely fair to be concerned. We have nothing there now and essentially hoping true freshmen pan out this year. Last year was good but need consistency there

But that's not due to recruiting, it's due to Tyler Williams, Jarrian Jones, & Dantzler leaving early. The position has see a max exodus of talent.

[DEDawg]

But that's not due to recruiting, it's due to Tyler Williams, Jarrian Jones, & Dantzler leaving early. The position has see a max exodus of talent.

I mean yeah. That's the point, there's valid reason to be concerned about CB recruiting this year. We have nothing there. Nobody is going to throw on us less because we had 3 guys lead the team, but we recruited there well the past few years. I think we have 2 committed now, I wouldn't hate taking 4 and you hope one of those is the low 4 star kind at least.

[Bothrops]

CB is injury prone position and everyone is throwing it more and more. We need Walley in this class. Also need better depth at CB. That said, Minnesota makes zero sense right now. They aren't even playing football.