2021 MSU Football Recruiting Discussion Thread

[msstate7]

We will recruit top 25 regularly with Leach. Top 20 is pushing it but possible. He’s gonna recruit around the same spot we always recruit this year with a very down in state group. He is going to have to learn how to deal with MS prospects though.

Well this year would be a good time to start. We currently sit 37th

[ShotgunDawg]

We will recruit top 25 regularly with Leach. Top 20 is pushing it but possible. He’s gonna recruit around the same spot we always recruit this year with a very down in state group. He is going to have to learn how to deal with MS prospects though.

Every coach we hire has to learn that. Rose bowl talks about it often. They never believe the stories until they see them

[maroonmania]

Well this year would be a good time to start. We currently sit 37th

Which is not surprising. Mullen didn't rank very well his first full recruiting cycles either. Takes a little while to learn what you are up against in the SEC plus the OM network in MS recruiting. Mullen held Croom's class together and then struggled the next couple of years just like Leach held JoMo's class together and is now having to learn the pitfalls. The one thing about Leach though is his reputation pulled some offensive guys especially in TX that not even Mullen could get in his early days.

[msstate7]

Which is not surprising. Mullen didn't rank very well his first full recruiting cycles either. Takes a little while to learn what you are up against in the SEC plus the OM network in MS recruiting. Mullen held Croom's class together and then struggled the next couple of years just like Leach held JoMo's class together and is now having to learn the pitfalls. The one thing about Leach though is his reputation pulled some offensive guys especially in TX that not even Mullen could get in his early days.

Mullen a first time coach vs a guy in his 19th year coaching in P5 seems a weird comparison esp when you compare the state of miss state football and facilities when each took over.

[bulldawg28]

Mullen a first time coach vs a guy in his 19th year coaching in P5 seems a weird comparison esp when you compare the state of miss state football and facilities when each took over.

Spot on Assessment. My concern is the defense will suffer as it has with this class.

[bulldawg28]

Wasn't there talk that Tyler Williams was coming back? We need him and he'd be our biggest recruiting win for the season.

[Jarius]

Well this year would be a good time to start. We currently sit 37th

We currently have a recruit that hasn’t been rated (that will end up being a mid 80s 3 star) and a high 3 star (4 star on 247) that has already signed with us and holding his announcement for the All American game. We haven’t had the recruiting rankings update yet but we aren’t truly sitting at 37. In 4 days we will be around 30. It won’t make our class any better in 4 days but people will view it differently.

[Jarius]

Wasn't there talk that Tyler Williams was coming back? We need him and he'd be our biggest recruiting win for the season.

He’s not coming back. He’s transferring.

[bulldawg28]

He’s not coming back. He’s transferring.

Welp...

[msbulldog]

Mullen a first time coach vs a guy in his 19th year coaching in P5 seems a weird comparison esp when you compare the state of miss state football and facilities when each took over.

7, I bet you were the kid in high school that all your teachers hated that you were in their class!

[msbulldog]

Wasn't there talk that Tyler Williams was coming back? We need him and he'd be our biggest recruiting win for the season.

I don't think so, crossways with staff.

[msstate7]

7, I bet you were the kid in high school that all your teachers hated that you were in their class!

Probably. I certainly questioned everything

[Bdawg]

And who's money do "WE" plan on using

Those who are willing to and are in the loop and who do it now. Whoever has disposable income that wants to. We just can't suck at it like we do, obviously, or we wouldn't have this much trouble on signing day every year.

[Santiago]

Hunter - is he still an option to sign , but as a DB? Or is he still looking to go somewhere as a RB?

[maroonmania]

Mullen a first time coach vs a guy in his 19th year coaching in P5 seems a weird comparison esp when you compare the state of miss state football and facilities when each took over.

Good grief, not weird at all. First off, Mullen had plenty of years on high level D1 staffs with Meyer to know the ins and outs of recruiting plus he was already in the SEC. Just because you hold the HC title doesn't make you THE recruiting expert over being an assistant. Second, Leach could have been a HC for 50 years in Lubbock, TX and Pullman, WA and he still likely wouldn't have a clue about the dynamics of recruiting in MS.

[msstate7]

Good grief, not weird at all. First off, Mullen had plenty of years on high level D1 staffs with Meyer to know the ins and outs of recruiting plus he was already in the SEC. Just because you hold the HC title doesn't make you THE recruiting expert over being an assistant. Second, Leach could have been a HC for 50 years in Lubbock, TX and Pullman, WA and he still likely wouldn't have a clue about the dynamics of recruiting in MS.

Ok, well what did he learn this cycle that will help going forward? Don't let LSU offer our commits? Don't let OM flip our guys? Seems we've dealt with this forever

[Dogbone]

Ok, well what did he learn this cycle that will help going forward? Don't let LSU offer our commits? Don't let OM flip our guys? Seems we've dealt with this forever

That's true, so I don't think it's fair to blame Leach when this has been going on forever.

[Bdawg]

Ole Miss had 1 class that was anywhere remotely near an Alabama class. Alabama stacks those classes on top of each other every single year (and they are better than Ole Miss? 2013 class 99 % of the time). The overwhelmingly main reason Alabama is so good is because they have way more talent than everyone else. When Saban was at Michigan State he was just considered a pretty good coach. Nothing special.

Yep. Bear Bryant quote( may be paraphrasing) "Its amazing how many times the teams with the best players win!"

[msstate7]

That's true, so I don't think it's fair to blame Leach when this has been going on forever.

I'm not blaming him. I just reject the idea that this year is somehow the experience he needed to catapult us to 20ish classes

[Dogbone]

I'm not blaming him. I just reject the idea that this year is somehow the experience he needed to catapult us to 20ish classes

Gotcha, and I agree. I do believe his recruiting will get much better when he learns and recognizes the playing field msu is up against.

[maroonmania]

Ok, well what did he learn this cycle that will help going forward? Don't let LSU offer our commits? Don't let OM flip our guys? Seems we've dealt with this forever

That's a good question for Leach and staff as they are the ones that just lived it but my guess would be that, at minimum, they learned a little more about the coaches and contacts within the State that can be trusted and who can't. They will probably also take more heed to the wisdom Tony Hughes can provide. They will never be able to sniff out all the fake commits and those just looking for the best paydays, just like Mullen and staff didn't, but I bet they get much better at it after going through this a couple of times.

[msstate7]

Gotcha, and I agree. I do believe his recruiting will get much better when he learns and recognizes the playing field msu is up against.

I'm not as much worried about his recruiting as I am on whether he can make his offense work well. If he fix the offense, I think he will recruit enough to win.

[Goldendawg]

We currently have a recruit that hasn?t been rated (that will end up being a mid 80s 3 star) and a high 3 star (4 star on 247) that has already signed with us and holding his announcement for the All American game. We haven?t had the recruiting rankings update yet but we aren?t truly sitting at 37. In 4 days we will be around 30. It won?t make our class any better in 4 days but people will view it differently.

The only way I view it is how do we rank in SEC. Sitting 10th will bring little more than 4-0 OOC, go 3-5 in SEC and beat UM as one of the 3 and here we stay in one of about 100 meaningless bowls. Many of our people satisfied, me no longer. Class of 77. Hail State!

[Goldendawg]

Some of yall need to check our probation record beginning with the Tyler years. We play the cheating game very poorly.

[Jarius]

The only way I view it is how do we rank in SEC. Sitting 10th will bring little more than 4-0 OOC, go 3-5 in SEC and beat UM as one of the 3 and here we stay in one of about 100 meaningless bowls. Many of our people satisfied, me no longer. Class of 77. Hail State!

Well this is the worst in state crop of prospects in the state in a very long time. It was never going to be a great class with as much as we depend on in state guys to make up our roster. We are who we are. Until we get our shit together on the booster side and start making a serious effort to get in the game and sign everyone in this state that we have a legit shot at signing we will continue to see ole miss and others take our juice box on signing day. It has been this way with every single coach we have had. When the coaches change and the results stay the same it’s not the coach. Recruiting in this state is a war every year and we have to have more buy in and organized efforts all the way around to make it happen.

[Jarius]

Some of yall need to check our probation record beginning with the Tyler years. We play the cheating game very poorly.

The ncaa has basically legalized buying players going forward. They are about to allow players to capitalize on their name and likeness. If someone wants to pay them to do a commercial or sign autographs or anything else it is about to be within the rules. The days of us pointing fingers at everyone for buying players needs to be over. Get all in or get left behind.

[maroonmania]

The ncaa has basically legalized buying players going forward. They are about to allow players to capitalize on their name and likeness. If someone wants to pay them to do a commercial or sign autographs or anything else it is about to be within the rules. The days of us pointing fingers at everyone for buying players needs to be over. Get all in or get left behind.

I'm to the point where I would be fine if they would just do away with all recruiting rules. At least way that everyone can pay and get away with it. Currently certain programs can pay and get away with it while others can't so there is no level playing field.

[Todd4State]

Some of yall need to check our probation record beginning with the Tyler years. We play the cheating game very poorly.

I HATE this attitude among MSU fans...

This (whatever it is) didn't work this one time so we need to never EVER, NEVER, EVER do it again.

Instead of looking for a way to fix the problem.

[Todd4State]

That's a good question for Leach and staff as they are the ones that just lived it but my guess would be that, at minimum, they learned a little more about the coaches and contacts within the State that can be trusted and who can't. They will probably also take more heed to the wisdom Tony Hughes can provide. They will never be able to sniff out all the fake commits and those just looking for the best paydays, just like Mullen and staff didn't, but I bet they get much better at it after going through this a couple of times.

It does make me wonder if the staff needs better intel. I'm sure that they probably knew that Daniels was being paid (probably). My issue is MSU needs to be able to identify that and counter it better in general. And if our staff didn't know- same point about needing better intel.

I think we need a head recruiting coordinator that specializes in Mississippi only. And I know I'll catch flack for this....but I would go after Hud for that position. The guy is damaged goods at this point and will probably never be a head coach again unless it's a Mississippi JUCO- and even that may be a stretch. But I bet he would take a six figure salary job at MSU to do what he does best in the football arena.

I would say Hughes should be the recruiting coordinator but it sounds like his strength is being able to recruit face to face and I don't want to take him off the road. See this cycle as exhibit A.

[Todd4State]

I'm to the point where I would be fine if they would just do away with all recruiting rules. At least way that everyone can pay and get away with it. Currently certain programs can pay and get away with it while others can't so there is no level playing field.

The thing is if they allow players to get a thousand dollars a month as a stipend Auburn, Ole Miss, Tennessee will just offer illegal benefits on top of that. So nothing has really changed except the players have more money.

It may actually help us out depending on how it goes down and is tracked. Bracky is going to have a hard time proving whether that Mustang was paid for from the MSU stipend money or from some booster.

[HoopsDawg]

I'm to the point where I would be fine if they would just do away with all recruiting rules. At least way that everyone can pay and get away with it. Currently certain programs can pay and get away with it while others can't so there is no level playing field.

Will Wade is still coaching LSU basketball so all bets are off. Do whatever you have to do to sign the players on your big board.

[Bothrops]

The ncaa has basically legalized buying players going forward. They are about to allow players to capitalize on their name and likeness. If someone wants to pay them to do a commercial or sign autographs or anything else it is about to be within the rules. The days of us pointing fingers at everyone for buying players needs to be over. Get all in or get left behind.

Unfortunately, I'm starting to open up to this more and more, but LSU, Ole Miss, Auburn and Bama are all sleazy programs currently and historically because of their booster clubs that go all in. The problem is we are the red headed stepchild in the league, and top 20 classes will be very very hard for us to sign now with the way recruiting services manipulate our classes every year with the composite ranking bs.

[Todd4State]

Unfortunately, I'm starting to open up to this more and more, but LSU, Ole Miss, Auburn and Bama are all sleazy programs currently and historically because of their booster clubs that go all in. The problem is we are the red headed stepchild in the league, and top 20 classes will be very very hard for us to sign now with the way recruiting services manipulate our classes every year with the composite ranking bs.

I don't want to do it at an Ole Miss 2013 level. I want to do it as a protect MSU thing where it's Ole Miss offered this in state guy and his family 10K...OK we can match that.

That and we should up our resources in recruiting anyway. I don't know why we don't with all of this money that we supposedly make.

[bulldawg28]

I don't want to do it at an Ole Miss 2013 level. I want to do it as a protect MSU thing where it's Ole Miss offered this in state guy and his family 10K...OK we can match that.

That and we should up our resources in recruiting anyway. I don't know why we don't with all of this money that we supposedly make.

We do

[1bigdawg]

One problem this year was that Tony Hughes could not go on the road and recruit. We probably would have a couple more guys signed except for that.

Combine that with it being a down year in Mississippi and we are where we are.

I believe we will do much better in future years with this staff.

[Uncle Ruckus]

Isnt this supposed to be a recruiting thread?

[ZedFedder]

One problem this year was that Tony Hughes could not go on the road and recruit. We probably would have a couple more guys signed except for that.

Combine that with it being a down year in Mississippi and we are where we are.

I believe we will do much better in future years with this staff.

This. I think we will be 20-25 on good years and 25-30 on lesser years. We have never really recruited much higher than that. Our best class under Mullen and Moorhead was what, 18th or 16th?

[Jarius]

We do

Of course we do, sometimes. We don’t do it enough and that’s why people like MJ Daniels go to Ole Miss. Then when we have people actually try to step up and help we have the morality police in our own fanboy media throw a guy under the bus for trying help the program and write 4 books about our arch rival cheating as if we don’t do the same shit.

[Cowboydawg]

I don't want to do it at an Ole Miss 2013 level. I want to do it as a protect MSU thing where it's Ole Miss offered this in state guy and his family 10K...OK we can match that.

That and we should up our resources in recruiting anyway. I don't know why we don't with all of this money that we supposedly make.

What if OM, LSU, Bama, Auburn, A&M offer a MS kid $100k? $200k? Do we match that? I keep seeing $10k thrown around. We are off a digit there.

[bulldawg28]

What if OM, LSU, Bama, Auburn, A&M offer a MS kid $100k? $200k? Do we match that? I keep seeing $10k thrown around. We are off a digit there.

He gone

[Cowboydawg]

He gone

Yep and I keep seeing $10k thrown around by posters. $10k is not in the ballpark to get these kids. If LSU really wants a kid in MS...no matter the star ranking, we would have to outbid them. And more often times than not, that will be 6 figures...not 5. Or they have to really really love Mississippi State.

[Goldendawg]

What's become of IYOK? Anyone here got any real recruiting news on targets we are in good shape on or might actually sign in Feb?

[Goldendawg]

Yep, believe it or not we spent that kind of $ in the '70's. The statute of limitations in out I'm sure, but I'm still not talking!****

[msstate7]

What's become of IYOK? Anyone here got any real recruiting news on targets we are in good shape on or might actually sign in Feb?

Apparently he opted out.

[KOdawg1]

What's become of IYOK? Anyone here got any real recruiting news on targets we are in good shape on or might actually sign in Feb?
6 spots left.

Deonte Anderson, Ty Cooper, and Calvin Johnson are still primary targets. Gonna hit the portal for a couple of spots. That's really all the news that's left at the moment.

[bulldawg28]

Apparently he opted out.

Lol

[Goldendawg]

6 spots left.

Deonte Anderson, Ty Cooper, and Calvin Johnson are still primary targets. Gonna hit the portal for a couple of spots. That's really all the news that's left at the moment.

Thanks much. What's the deal with Johnson's rating?

[KOdawg1]

Thanks much. What's the deal with Johnson's rating?
Just hasn't been updated yet. He'll probably be a high 3 star

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Yep and I keep seeing $10k thrown around by posters. $10k is not in the ballpark to get these kids. If LSU really wants a kid in MS...no matter the star ranking, we would have to outbid them. And more often times than not, that will be 6 figures...not 5. Or they have to really really love Mississippi State.

But, but, but the kids should be paid!!! ****in 6 figures on potential to run fast and jump high? When I die I want to come back as a two time fired P5 coach or a 5 star player. Both are lucrative even if you aren't successful.

[Uncle Ruckus]

Just hasn't been updated yet. He'll probably be a high 3 star
The last update would have been on signing day, but they skipped it because of everything else going on. Him and the new db committ will get new rankings.
Like others said - Johnson and Cooper are the two biggest needs. Anderson is already in the boat. Offered a freshman juco OT the other day that we have a very slim chance on - he?s already in his 2nd year post high school, so he could realistically be 25-26 when he graduates. I?d take him all day every day.
The other few spots are going to be transfers more than likely. We?re really banking on Johnson and Cooper because we don?t have any quality hs guys interested in us at the positions that I?m aware of. I?d like to see us find another corner, but the pickins seem to be slim

[Westdawg]

UPDATE - Sawyer Robertson's season ended this past Saturday.

Here's the highlights of the game for those who care to watch. Red Oak HS is loaded as was Coronado HS (Sawyer's HS). What a game.
Coronado's season ended on a blocked XP at the end of double OT 42-41.

[KOdawg1]

With Deonte Anderson in the boat, our class jumped from 38th to 33rd.

[Hambone]

Don’t we have one signee without a ranking as well?

[msstate7]

With Deonte Anderson in the boat, our class jumped from 38th to 33rd.

Nice. Do we have some likely pulls to push us to 25ish?

[KOdawg1]

Don’t we have one signee without a ranking as well?

Yeah, but it won't be too high. It might move us up a spot or two

[KOdawg1]

Here are some names of safeties in the portal.

Kenderick Duncan - Georgia Southern

https://gseagles.com/sports/football/roster/kenderick-duncan-jr-/4054

Entered the portal today. Two year starter at safety with two more years left to play. 6'3, 225 pounds. Very physical kid. Would be a great get.


Quincy Lenton - Florida

https://floridagators.com/sports/football/roster/quincy-lenton/13765

From Meridian, MS. Hasn't played a whole lot but has been injured. Only one year left to play.


Jammie Robinson - USCe

https://gamecocksonline.com/sports/football/roster/jammie-robinson/6978

He's a sophomore this year and will be next year too I guess. Played a lot as a true freshman and was very productive with 74 tackles and 1 INT. Not sure why he's leaving USC, but he's likely going to be very sought after. He's my number one target.


Jonathan Alexander - Kansas State

https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/football/roster/jonathan-alexander/6310

We showed interest early but have seem to backed off which tells me he's behind some guys. Another physical guy but he's not strong in coverage. We've got plenty of those guys imo.


Myles Mason

https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/roster/myles-mason/

He was committed to us once upon a time. He's played sparingly as a freshman and a sophomore.



Antoine Richardson - Maryland

https://umterps.com/sports/football/roster/antwaine-richardson/8656

Next year will be his 6th year of college. Veteran guy who has played and started a lot.

[msu15]

Up to 32 in the 247 team rankings. Finish strong and we'll finish with a solid class ranking.

[Dogbone]

Here are some names of safeties in the portal.

Kenderick Duncan - Georgia Southern

https://gseagles.com/sports/football/roster/kenderick-duncan-jr-/4054

Entered the portal today. Two year starter at safety with two more years left to play. 6'3, 225 pounds. Very physical kid. Would be a great get.


Quincy Lenton - Florida

https://floridagators.com/sports/football/roster/quincy-lenton/13765

From Meridian, MS. Hasn't played a whole lot but has been injured. Only one year left to play.


Jammie Robinson - USCe

https://gamecocksonline.com/sports/football/roster/jammie-robinson/6978

He's a sophomore this year and will be next year too I guess. Played a lot as a true freshman and was very productive with 74 tackles and 1 INT. Not sure why he's leaving USC, but he's likely going to be very sought after. He's my number one target.


Jonathan Alexander - Kansas State

https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/football/roster/jonathan-alexander/6310

We showed interest early but have seem to backed off which tells me he's behind some guys. Another physical guy but he's not strong in coverage. We've got plenty of those guys imo.


Myles Mason

https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/roster/myles-mason/

He was committed to us once upon a time. He's played sparingly as a freshman and a sophomore.



Antoine Richardson - Maryland

https://umterps.com/sports/football/roster/antwaine-richardson/8656

Next year will be his 6th year of college. Veteran guy who has played and started a lot.

Which one do we have the best shot at?

[KOdawg1]

Which one do we have the best shot at?
Alexander probably but he's not a take for us

[Dogbone]

Alexander probably but he's not a take for us

I don't understand how the portal works, can we contact them or do we have to wait for them to contact us?

[KOdawg1]

I don't understand how the portal works, can we contact them or do we have to wait for them to contact us?
Once they're in the portal, you can contact them.

[Dogbone]

Once they're in the portal, you can contact them.

Thanks

[Todd4State]

Nice. Do we have some likely pulls to push us to 25ish?

Highly doubtful.

[Irondawg]

Just a side note - we basically traded Mason for Brule in that class. I think we got the better of that one in the end

[KOdawg1]

Just a side note - we basically traded Mason for Brule in that class. I think we got the better of that one in the end

Definitely. Brule is a dawg

[ZedFedder]

Deonte Anderson looks really good on film. Will be play in the Tyrus Wheat role?

[KOdawg1]

Deonte Anderson looks really good on film. Will be play in the Tyrus Wheat role?

I've read that he's going to put his hand in the dirt

[Jarius]

Nice. Do we have some likely pulls to push us to 25ish?

Class will finish around 30, but you have to consider that we are going to get 3-4 transfer portal guys that would generally be rated high 3 star juco type players that don’t count in the recruiting rankings. Charlton is a legit SEC Defensive end and will play next year and does not count for ranking purposes. We will sign a couple more just like him and meet our immediate needs in the secondary. As long as that happens we can recruit like that every year and be fine.

[maroonmania]

Class will finish around 30, but you have to consider that we are going to get 3-4 transfer portal guys that would generally be rated high 3 star juco type players that don?t count in the recruiting rankings. Charlton is a legit SEC Defensive end and will play next year and does not count for ranking purposes. We will sign a couple more just like him and meet our immediate needs in the secondary. As long as that happens we can recruit like that every year and be fine.

Actually 30 is not that bad given the lack of talent in state this year and is a great class for what Leach has normally done at TT and WSU. If we had held Strong and Daniels like we should have (Nabors was never going to come if LSU ever seriously offered) and gotten a few here at the end we would probably have finished between 20-25 which would have been a really good class given what MS had to offer. Looking at what we did in TX, FL and GA it seemed like we definitely improved the quality of what we normally get out of State and I think that is where the Leach name had the most impact on our recruiting. If we can keep that going and supplement with a better in state crop I could see us maybe even cracking the Top 20. Kiffin's success at OM is likely going to make it tougher in state though given I'm sure he will take full advantage of the network and has an attractive offense. Kiffin will never be accused of letting ethics hold him back.

[HoopsDawg]

Actually 30 is not that bad given the lack of talent in state this year and is a great class for what Leach has normally done at TT and WSU. If we had held Strong and Daniels like we should have (Nabors was never going to come if LSU ever seriously offered) and gotten a few here at the end we would probably have finished between 20-25 which would have been a really good class given what MS had to offer. Looking at what we did in TX, FL and GA it seemed like we definitely improved the quality of what we normally get out of State and I think that is where the Leach name had the most impact on our recruiting. If we can keep that going and supplement with a better in state crop I could see us maybe even cracking the Top 20. Kiffin's success at OM though is likely going to make it tougher in state though given I'm sure he will take full advantage of the network. Kiffin will never be accused of letting ethics hold him back.

I would definitely feel different about this class if we had held onto Strong and and Daniels. And landed another quality DB.

[MetEdDawg]

It will be very hard for us to finish Top 25 in recruiting when the quality of in state talent is this low. We can't reasonably expect to take higher rates prospects from LA or AL because those players go to in state schools or other blue bloods if they get those offers. There were only 5 4 stars in MS this year. There were 8 last year and already 5 for 2022.

We've done a decent job of getting some kids in the 15-30 range in Alabama. That's best case scenario for us in AL. We've got to find a way to start creeping into the 11-20 kids in LA because we can't reasonably get Top 10 kids from there (the top 6 kids in LA are going to LSU).

We need to get more into Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, and Texas. We've seen Leach has the heat to get kids from Texas. Top 2 kids in our class are from Texas. That has to continue. But we need to lock down about 8-10 kids from MS every year, get about 10 from out of state, then the rest JUCO/transfers to fill gaps.

[msstate7]

As great as Saban is at recruiting, this year is the 1st time he got 7 5-stars. Their avg per recruit (94.62) is the highest I've saw (quit looking back before mid-2000s). Oh, and what's the 2nd highest avg per recruit all time? Ohio st this year also at 94.56. Who playing for the title?

[Leeshouldveflanked]

It will be very hard for us to finish Top 25 in recruiting when the quality of in state talent is this low. We can't reasonably expect to take higher rates prospects from LA or AL because those players go to in state schools or other blue bloods if they get those offers. There were only 5 4 stars in MS this year. There were 8 last year and already 5 for 2022.

We've done a decent job of getting some kids in the 15-30 range in Alabama. That's best case scenario for us in AL. We've got to find a way to start creeping into the 11-20 kids in LA because we can't reasonably get Top 10 kids from there (the top 6 kids in LA are going to LSU).

We need to get more into Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, and Texas. We've seen Leach has the heat to get kids from Texas. Top 2 kids in our class are from Texas. That has to continue. But we need to lock down about 8-10 kids from MS every year, get about 10 from out of state, then the rest JUCO/transfers to fill gaps.

Agree.... the 50th rank recruit in Georgia this year would be the 10th rank Recruit in Mississippi this year.

[maroonmania]

As great as Saban is at recruiting, this year is the 1st time he got 7 5-stars. Their avg per recruit (94.62) is the highest I've saw (quit looking back before mid-2000s). Oh, and what's the 2nd highest avg per recruit all time? Ohio st this year also at 94.56. Who playing for the title?

Which is unreal given there are normally only around 30 something of those per year. I would think 7 is nearly double the number of 5 stars we have signed in the history of our program. Just more consolidation of all the elite talent available into one program. Its disgusting but no real way to stop it. Wonderful that a program like this exists 90 miles from our campus.

[DLGDawg]

Here are some names of safeties in the portal.

Kenderick Duncan - Georgia Southern

https://gseagles.com/sports/football/roster/kenderick-duncan-jr-/4054

Entered the portal today. Two year starter at safety with two more years left to play. 6'3, 225 pounds. Very physical kid. Would be a great get.


Quincy Lenton - Florida

https://floridagators.com/sports/football/roster/quincy-lenton/13765

From Meridian, MS. Hasn't played a whole lot but has been injured. Only one year left to play.


Jammie Robinson - USCe

https://gamecocksonline.com/sports/football/roster/jammie-robinson/6978

He's a sophomore this year and will be next year too I guess. Played a lot as a true freshman and was very productive with 74 tackles and 1 INT. Not sure why he's leaving USC, but he's likely going to be very sought after. He's my number one target.


Jonathan Alexander - Kansas State

https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/football/roster/jonathan-alexander/6310

We showed interest early but have seem to backed off which tells me he's behind some guys. Another physical guy but he's not strong in coverage. We've got plenty of those guys imo.


Myles Mason

https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/roster/myles-mason/

He was committed to us once upon a time. He's played sparingly as a freshman and a sophomore.



Antoine Richardson - Maryland

https://umterps.com/sports/football/roster/antwaine-richardson/8656

Next year will be his 6th year of college. Veteran guy who has played and started a lot.

GREAT post. Thanks for doing that research.

[KOdawg1]

Here are some names of safeties in the portal.

Kenderick Duncan - Georgia Southern

https://gseagles.com/sports/football/roster/kenderick-duncan-jr-/4054

Entered the portal today. Two year starter at safety with two more years left to play. 6'3, 225 pounds. Very physical kid. Would be a great get.


Quincy Lenton - Florida

https://floridagators.com/sports/football/roster/quincy-lenton/13765

From Meridian, MS. Hasn't played a whole lot but has been injured. Only one year left to play.


Jammie Robinson - USCe

https://gamecocksonline.com/sports/football/roster/jammie-robinson/6978

He's a sophomore this year and will be next year too I guess. Played a lot as a true freshman and was very productive with 74 tackles and 1 INT. Not sure why he's leaving USC, but he's likely going to be very sought after. He's my number one target.


Jonathan Alexander - Kansas State

https://www.kstatesports.com/sports/football/roster/jonathan-alexander/6310

We showed interest early but have seem to backed off which tells me he's behind some guys. Another physical guy but he's not strong in coverage. We've got plenty of those guys imo.


Myles Mason

https://arkansasrazorbacks.com/roster/myles-mason/

He was committed to us once upon a time. He's played sparingly as a freshman and a sophomore.



Antoine Richardson - Maryland

https://umterps.com/sports/football/roster/antwaine-richardson/8656

Next year will be his 6th year of college. Veteran guy who has played and started a lot.

You might can take the SEC guys off this list. There are talks of a new rule being implemented that would keep players from transferring to other SEC schools. Would pretty much eliminate tampering within the conference like we saw with Jarrian Jones and Fabian Lovett this summer.

[msstate7]

You might can take the SEC guys off this list. There are talks of a new rule being implemented that would keep players from transferring to other SEC schools. Would pretty much eliminate tampering within the conference like we saw with Jarrian Jones and Fabian Lovett this summer.

That would probably cut down on transfers in the sec

[Cooterpoot]

You might can take the SEC guys off this list. There are talks of a new rule being implemented that would keep players from transferring to other SEC schools. Would pretty much eliminate tampering within the conference like we saw with Jarrian Jones and Fabian Lovett this summer.

Grad transfers would still happen though

[msbulldog]

I've read that he's going to put his hand in the dirt

Rosebowl said that.

[KOdawg1]

Grad transfers would still happen though

Correct.

[KOdawg1]

Rosebowl said that.


Yes. I think Paul said it as well.

[KOdawg1]

Jonathan Alexander commits to Charlotte, so it looks like we passed on.

[Todd4State]

Jonathan Alexander commits to Charlotte, so it looks like we passed on.

If he's Charlotte level we probably didn't really miss on him.

[KOdawg1]

If he's Charlotte level we probably didn't really miss on him.

That's why I said we passed

[Bdawg]

You might can take the SEC guys off this list. There are talks of a new rule being implemented that would keep players from transferring to other SEC schools. Would pretty much eliminate tampering within the conference like we saw with Jarrian Jones and Fabian Lovett this summer.

They should let transfers go within the SEC if that player does not play the school he left by the time his eligibility runs out or he can just sit out the game he plays against the school he left. Maybe let the school he leaving have some weight on the situation. I'm just spitballing here, but if I were commissioner I wouldn't want talented players leave my conference.

[Todd4State]

They should let transfers go within the SEC if that player does not play the school he left by the time his eligibility runs out or he can just sit out the game he plays against the school he left. Maybe let the school he leaving have some weight on the situation. I'm just spitballing here, but if I were commissioner I wouldn't want talented players leave my conference.

The commissioner probably also doesn't want rivals trying to poach players from other SEC schools illegally. Looking at you Ole Miss.

[Cooterpoot]

The commissioner probably also doesn't want rivals trying to poach players from other SEC schools illegally. Looking at you Ole Miss.

It's legal in every sport but football

[Irondawg]

Saw someone else suggest a playing time rule - you should be able to transfer in conference if you are a benchwarmer. But I’d rather be too restrictive than too loose

[Bdawg]

The commissioner probably also doesn't want rivals trying to poach players from other SEC schools illegally. Looking at you Ole Miss.

That's when the school he's leaving could possibly have some say in the matter.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

If that does become a rule, I like it in the case of OM meddling with our players this summer but I dislike it in the case of a Radar Jones who might want to leave but wouldn't be able to in that scenario. I think overall it would hurt us more than it would help us. Those seven 5* signing with Bama may cause a couple of 4* behind them to want to transfer. If they can't transfer within the conference we have 0 chance of getting them.

I would rather lose a Jarrion Jones every once in a while to be able to take a Bama or LSU leftover that could help us.

[ZedFedder]

Saw where Marquez Dortch, 2022 teammate of MJ Daniels, committed to OM.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

I guess George County has swung for the bad guys...

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

I guess George County has swung for the bad guys...

The Network back in full swing. Be prepared for more like this.

[bulldawg28]

The Network back in full swing. Be prepared for more like this.

Prepared? It never stopped

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Prepared? It never stopped

Never said it stopped. I just said it is back in full swing. They ramped it down some but they have gotten full wool now that Lane is there. They think they are made out of Teflon again. The worst thing that could have happened was Rosebowl exposing Freeze. Once that happened the NCAA quit turning over rocks. There was plenty left to be exposed that never saw the light of day.

[KOdawg1]

Dortch was going wherever Daniels went. If we would've gotten Daniels, Dortch would be committed to us too. That's why Daniels was such a loss, because he was a 2 for 1.

[bulldawg28]

Never said it stopped. I just said it is back in full swing. They ramped it down some but they have gotten full wool now that Lane is there. They think they are made out of Teflon again. The worst thing that could have happened was Rosebowl exposing Freeze. Once that happened the NCAA quit turning over rocks. There was plenty left to be exposed that never saw the light of day.

Gotcha

[Uncle Ruckus]

I don?t know how I would feel about a kid making their decision solely based on where someone else signs.

[sscjr1]

I don?t know how I would feel about a kid making their decision solely based on where someone else signs.
I would have felt great about it if he was following MJ to Starkville

[bulldawg28]

I would have felt great about it if he was following MJ to Starkville

Lol..it's too early for concern.

[HancockCountyDog]

I'm not worried about the 2022 in-state class. We are set up to do really well in-state, i'm more worried about out of state schools than the bears next year for the kids we are going after.

[Bothrops]

I'm not worried about the 2022 in-state class.

You should be.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

We usually get our share of in state kids... to me the real key is what we do out of state... the 50th ranked kid in Georgia, Florida and Texas is equivalent to the 10th ranked kid in Mississippi..,, kids from those states are light years ahead of Mississippi kids on the offensive side.

[KOdawg1]

We'll be fine in-state next year. We won't clean house, but we never do. We'll get our fair share of kids, OM will get their's, and the bordering SEC schools might grab a couple. Is what it is.

[Ari Gold]

We'll be fine in-state next year. We won't clean house, but we never do. We'll get our fair share of kids, OM will get their's, and the bordering SEC schools might grab a couple. Is what it is.

Need to post this on top of the 2022 recruiting thread...

[Homedawg]

We usually get our share of in state kids... to me the real key is what we do out of state... the 50th ranked kid in Georgia, Florida and Texas is equivalent to the 10th ranked kid in Mississippi..,, kids from those states are light years ahead of Mississippi kids on the offensive side.

How often do we sign a top 50 kid from those states?? Not very.

[MetEdDawg]

How often do we sign a top 50 kid from those states?? Not very.

We've got 2 from Texas and 1 from Florida this year. And going forward it should be more. There were 19 different schools that grabbed a Top 50 recruit in Florida this year and Texas is at an all time low grabbing high ranking Texas kids. Now is the time to make in roads there.

[maroonmania]

We've got 2 from Texas and 1 from Florida this year. And going forward it should be more. There were 19 different schools that grabbed a Top 50 recruit in Florida this year and Texas is at an all time low grabbing high ranking Texas kids. Now is the time to make in roads there.

Leach has a great reputation in TX so its a given we should concentrate there and he was recruiting a lot in FL even at WSU. If he could get FL guys to leave for WSU he should be able to get them to Starkville.

[Todd4State]

We've got 2 from Texas and 1 from Florida this year. And going forward it should be more. There were 19 different schools that grabbed a Top 50 recruit in Florida this year and Texas is at an all time low grabbing high ranking Texas kids. Now is the time to make in roads there.

I think Leach can definitely do this with at least one out of state WR a year. And maybe a QB too.

[thf24]

The worst thing that could have happened was Rosebowl exposing Freeze. Once that happened the NCAA quit turning over rocks. There was plenty left to be exposed that never saw the light of day.

The NCAA was never going to let any proof that a member institution was setting up high schoolers with escorts see the light of day. Pulling on that thread leads nowhere good for anyone all the way up to the very top. You could say Steve teed up OM's and the NCAA's out for them, but the real story wasn't and will never be allowed to come out.

[Tripp McNeely]

The NCAA was never going to let any proof that a member institution was setting up high schoolers with escorts see the light of day. Pulling on that thread leads nowhere good for anyone all the way up to the very top. You could say Steve teed up OM's and the NCAA's out for them, but the real story wasn't and will never be allowed to come out.

Yep, that?s soliciting prostitution, across state lines...for minors!! Freeze would?ve been in Parchman had the truth actually come to light

[msbulldog]

Yep, that?s soliciting prostitution, across state lines...for minors!! Freeze would?ve been in Parchman had the truth actually come to light

Not Parchman thats a Federal crime called the Mann act. That's what they got that president of Mississippi College on years ago, Lewis Nobles in 1995

[MetEdDawg]

Tre Walker, a 5' 11" 180 pound WR from San Jose State has transferred and committed to us.

Anyone have any insight on this one? Seems a bit like a head scratcher of a transfer pickup. Looks to have only 1 year of eligibility.

I knew we were on him but I thought we might wait on him given our other glaring needs.

[msstate7]

Tre Walker, a 5' 11" 180 pound WR from San Jose State has transferred and committed to us.

Anyone have any insight on this one? Seems a bit like a head scratcher of a transfer pickup. Looks to have only 1 year of eligibility.

I knew we were on him but I thought we might wait on him given our other glaring needs.

Obviously he hasn't been playing vs great competition, but he has really good numbers. Hopefully he can do it here too.

[Todd4State]

Tre Walker, a 5' 11" 180 pound WR from San Jose State has transferred and committed to us.

Anyone have any insight on this one? Seems a bit like a head scratcher of a transfer pickup. Looks to have only 1 year of eligibility.

I knew we were on him but I thought we might wait on him given our other glaring needs.

Gives a legit veteran slot receiver. As talented as Knox is I'm sure there will be an adjustment like Walley and Tulu early in the season so it makes sense to me. It also makes sense because Lashley is returning and can help the offensive line depth wise at worst.

[Goldendawg]

Obviously he hasn't been playing vs great competition, but he has really good numbers. Hopefully he can do it here too.

Here's to hoping that transfers, especially at QB and WR (in fact any position), are the real deal and better used under Leach than the JoMo experimental disaster. One of Jo's underused WR's made the Patriots with virtually nothing stats for us. I don't think much of the portals or transfers coming or going thus far at State. No big splashes for us or any Dogs that left so far.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Quickest DeCommitt EVA

[Hambone]

He wasn’t allowed to sign. Wasn’t his decision

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Apparently, you have to be a grad transfer to come to SEC with one to play. He hasn?t graduated yet

[Bass Chaser]

So where was Bracky?

[Cooterpoot]

Apparently, you have to be a grad transfer to come to SEC with one to play. He hasn?t graduated yet

And it's a ridiculous rule, when the NCAA is about to allow a free for all in the portal.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

And it's a ridiculous rule, when the NCAA is about to allow a free for all in the portal.
It?s the TBuck Rule.

[Cooterpoot]

It?s the TBuck Rule.

It's been in place for a long time. But the SEC didn't allow grad transfers until like 2014, while others were doing it for like 8 years. Masoli had to walk on at OM and he was a grad. With the NCAA allowing one transfer to everyone, it's an outdated rule. They'll change it when AL needs a QB one year.

[Todd4State]

It's been in place for a long time. But the SEC didn't allow grad transfers until like 2014, while others were doing it for like 8 years. Masoli had to walk on at OM and he was a grad. With the NCAA allowing one transfer to everyone, it's an outdated rule. They'll change it when AL needs a QB one year.

Or they'll just look the other way and allow it to happen like Saban getting COVID this year.

[MetEdDawg]

It's been in place for a long time. But the SEC didn't allow grad transfers until like 2014, while others were doing it for like 8 years. Masoli had to walk on at OM and he was a grad. With the NCAA allowing one transfer to everyone, it's an outdated rule. They'll change it when AL needs a QB one year.

So you mean next year? Because rumor is Bryce Young is going to possibly go to Texas with Sark. If that happens, Alabama could be in some major trouble. Paul Tyson isn't the answer and they might have to turn to a true freshman. I imagine the Alabama network will get involved to keep him, but I know a few folks are concerned Young might leave.

[MetEdDawg]

Coach Spurrier tweeting the eyes meaning to be on the lookout for something.

Anyone got any ideas as to what he might be referring to?

[ZedFedder]

Coach Spurrier tweeting the eyes meaning to be on the lookout for something.

Anyone got any ideas as to what he might be referring to?

Probably Makai Polk from Cal.

[msbulldog]

2 starting DL's enter transfer portal;
https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2021/01/auburn-defensive-end-big-kat-bryant-shares-his-next-move.html

[Santiago]

What is the issue or rumor about MJ Daniels possibly going to JUCO. and it is not grades.

[StateDawg44]

What is the issue or rumor about MJ Daniels possibly going to JUCO. and it is not grades.

Who cares?

[Leeshouldveflanked]

What is the issue or rumor about MJ Daniels possibly going to JUCO. and it is not grades.
Will Hall gonna have a heck of a roster.

[Santiago]

Who cares?

I do, and assume some others, if he is going JUCO.

[Todd4State]

What is the issue or rumor about MJ Daniels possibly going to JUCO. and it is not grades.

Probably just wants to create more drama one way or the other. It's very rare that Ole Miss doesn't get a player eligible that they really wanted.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Probably just wants to create more drama one way or the other. It's very rare that Ole Miss doesn't get a player eligible that they really wanted.

Yes I don't see them dropping 130K on a player without an absolute guarantee they will be there

[Cooterpoot]

MJ isn't going anywhere. He's all in with OM. Just wants what a couple other players got, and he'll get it.

[ShotgunDawg]

MJ isn't going anywhere. He's all in with OM. Just wants what a couple other players got, and he'll get it.

Only at OM. LOL. Good luck coaching that bunch

[Todd4State]

MJ isn't going anywhere. He's all in with OM. Just wants what a couple other players got, and he'll get it.

So he wants the franchise tag?**

[Todd4State]

Only at OM. LOL. Good luck coaching that bunch

Oddly enough it works out sometimes for a season or two. Relatively speaking. It helps that half our fans on the internet fluff them up.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

So where was Bracky?

This! How the **** did this happen once again? Who was the punter we screwed up on a couple of years back? The coaching staff is new to the SEC. Our compliance department is not. I swear, we already fight with one arm behind our back and seems we continue to have screw ups that cost us.

[Ari Gold]

This! How the **** did this happen once again? Who was the punter we screwed up on a couple of years back? The coaching staff is new to the SEC. Our compliance department is not. I swear, we already fight with one arm behind our back and seems we continue to have screw ups that cost us.

More like...
how the **** in 2021 is Bracky still our compliance dept head..

[BuckyIsAB****]

Polk is a better fit for us anyway. We need a legit X/Z guy. Not another slot body

[Ari Gold]

Polk is a better fit for us anyway. We need a legit X/Z guy. Not another slot body

Agree and he is a multi year guy

[Ari Gold]

Word I’m hearing on Eddie .... we may not have to worry about him sitting a year if he transfers here... hopefully that’s the right info...

[bulldawg28]

Word I’m hearing on Eddie .... we may not have to worry about him sitting a year if he transfers here... hopefully that’s the right info...

Is that the Alabama safety?

[DLGDawg]

Word I’m hearing on Eddie .... we may not have to worry about him sitting a year if he transfers here... hopefully that’s the right info...

Outstanding!!! Whatcha think?? 50/50 coming here??

[Ari Gold]

Outstanding!!! Whatcha think?? 50/50 coming here??

If what I’m hearing is correct ... higher than 50 for sure..

[Todd4State]

If what I’m hearing is correct ... higher than 50 for sure..

That would be huge for us. Let's hope it works out for once.

[sscjr1]

Calvin Johnson decommits from Navy

[Dogbone]

Calvin Johnson decommits from Navy

That could be good news for us?

[Bothrops]

That could be good news for us?

Either us or Northwestern

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

The kid has a 35 on the ACT

[maroonmania]

Either us or Northwestern

Boy, there couldn't be much more of a stark contrast between going to school in Starkville, MS or going to school in metro Chicago, IL.

[Ari Gold]

If Johnson goes to Northwestern it’s for academics and life after football more than football itself.. and if that’s the decision he makes then great for him..
if he comes here that would even better.. we need quality kids on the roster that are also talented enough to possible contribute on the field.
the more of those guys we have the better ..

[Bothrops]

Boy, there couldn't be much more of a stark contrast between going to school in Starkville, MS or going to school in metro Chicago, IL.

No doubt. They have the nicest indoor practice facility in the country as well.

[Westdawg]

New 2021 offer:
Ke'Travion Hargrove
4 ⭐️ RB
Ruston, LA
5'11 185lb

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/12721741/5fe0f1a5ff02380af0d8d203

[KOdawg1]

New 2021 offer:
Ke'Travion Hargrove
4 ⭐️ RB
Ruston, LA
5'11 185lb

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/12721741/5fe0f1a5ff02380af0d8d203

Looks like we're gonna get him too. Absolutely huge if you could pull a legit 4 star RB this late in the game. Finish with Cooper, Hargrove, Johnson, and a transfer DB (Eddie Smith) and let's call it a day.

[KOdawg1]

Also, and I know it's not good to think this way, but imagine if we had kept Nabers and MJ. If we add Hargrove, we would have had eight 4 stars by either composite or 247. Would've been a top 20 class and probably the best in on paper in recent history. Oh well. I'll be happy with the ones we get.

[ZedFedder]

What is the story on Hargove? Obviously, seems like a fantastic get this late in the game if it does indeed happen, but why isn't he committed somewhere? Spots fill up on his other options?

[maroonmania]

What is the story on Hargove? Obviously, seems like a fantastic get this late in the game if it does indeed happen, but why isn't he committed somewhere? Spots fill up on his other options?

Agree, seems odd that we are offering this late in his recruitment and are apparently already in good shape to get him if he is really a 4 star recruit.

[bulldawg28]

What is the story on Hargove? Obviously, seems like a fantastic get this late in the game if it does indeed happen, but why isn't he committed somewhere? Spots fill up on his other options?

The story is he's about to be a bulldog and boost those recruiting rankings some of the guys here are concerned about.

[Cooterpoot]

Agree, seems odd that we are offering this late in his recruitment and are apparently already in good shape to get him if he is really a 4 star recruit.

We were only him early but he was looking at LSU/FSU. LSU backed off. He backed off FSU. Sometimes things work out.

[ZedFedder]

We were only him early but he was looking at LSU/FSU. LSU backed off. He backed off FSU. Sometimes things work out.

Sounds good to me.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Khi Holiday 2021 Grad from Tupelo TCPS posted last night he had received his first D1 Offer from MSU... he?s 5?9? 160 lb Athlete, but he ran a sub 4.4 40 on a laser yesterday...does this mean the French Camp guy is going to Northwestern or will Khi be a preferred walkon?

[KOdawg1]

Khi Holiday 2021 Grad from Tupelo TCPS posted last night he had received his first D1 Offer from MSU... he?s 5?9? 160 lb Athlete, but he ran a sub 4.4 40 on a laser yesterday...does this mean the French Camp guy is going to Northwestern or will Khi be a preferred walkon?

PWO

[chef dixon]

What is the story on Hargove? Obviously, seems like a fantastic get this late in the game if it does indeed happen, but why isn't he committed somewhere? Spots fill up on his other options?

Our bagmen made moves

[Westdawg]

Hargrove doesn't have homerun speed, but he is deceptively quick - his legs look like a chunk of pulp wood when running. So that might solve breaking tackle issues

[Heydawg]

So does that mean we view Simeon Price as a WR? Or was that always the case?

[Jarius]

So does that mean we view Simeon Price as a WR? Or was that always the case?

Has more to do with the guy being an elite talent and being a best available prospect, along with Witherspoon leaving.

[Todd4State]

So does that mean we view Simeon Price as a WR? Or was that always the case?

It may turn out like that. He's a great athlete with NFL pedigree. His Dad was a DB in the NFL. We might move him there based on need. I'd look at Holiday as a DB as well if I were in the coaches shoes.

I could see a player like Holiday helping out in the return game with that kind of speed.

[maroonmania]

We were only him early but he was looking at LSU/FSU. LSU backed off. He backed off FSU. Sometimes things work out.

Good to hear.

[Heydawg]

That?s great to hear; glad to see us picking up some more talent however it shakes out. Seems like talented guys find a way to get on the field one way or another

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

I think Witherspoon leaving freed this spot up

[ShotgunDawg]

I think Witherspoon leaving freed this spot up

Didn't free up anything.

Witherspoon leaving doesn't give us another spot in this signing class. Can only sign 26 regardless of Witherspoon leaving.

In today's college football recruiting rules, you simply can't take reaches. They're too likely to transfer and thus leaving you under the 85

Better to take transfers that you know are good instead of reaches

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

I meant freed a spot at RB up.

[BuckyIsAB****]

What does that mean for Hunter from Neshoba

[ShotgunDawg]

What does that mean for Hunter from Neshoba

I don't think he could commit today. He got an Auburn offer & I expect to go there.

The players we are going to get are better than him

[BuckyIsAB****]

I don't think he could commit today. He got an Auburn offer & I expect to go there.

The players we are going to get are better than him

People would be shocked at the kids State has told to piss off this cycle

[ZedFedder]

Speaking of... Seems Jadarrius Perkins hurt himself with all his theatrics. He could have played at Oregon or MSU, and now it seems he might end up at a G5.

[Cooterpoot]

Speaking of... Seems Jadarrius Perkins hurt himself with all his theatrics. He could have played at Oregon or MSU, and now it seems he might end up at a G5.

Not missing out on much with him.

[HailStateSZN19]

People would be shocked at the kids State has told to piss off this cycle

Please go on Bucky...... I?d love to hear this personally.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Please go on Bucky...... I?d love to hear this personally.

Leach and staff dont want the pro recruits and drama queens.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Speaking of... Seems Jadarrius Perkins hurt himself with all his theatrics. He could have played at Oregon or MSU, and now it seems he might end up at a G5.

Example of what I am talking about

[bulldawg28]

Speaking of... Seems Jadarrius Perkins hurt himself with all his theatrics. He could have played at Oregon or MSU, and now it seems he might end up at a G5.

Didn't he already sign with someone supposedly?

[HancockCountyDog]

Leach and staff dont want the pro recruits and drama queens.

Has Hunter been a drama queen, I haven?t heard much from him.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

I think we offered Hunter. We told him to take it or we?d move on. We moved on.

[Todd4State]

Not missing out on much with him.

I bet his grandparents are proud.**

And I'm only saying that because his little charade was supposed to be a tribute to them.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

One thing I like about Leach is you are either onboard and all in or on to the next player.

[ZedFedder]

One thing I like about Leach is you are either onboard and all in or on to the next player.

Which is why he is successful with lower talent.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Has Hunter been a drama queen, I haven?t heard much from him.

He has waited too long apparently

[Todd4State]

He has waited too long apparently

I thought he got an offer from Auburn? If that's the case we probably wouldn't have gotten him if we pushed for him since that was allegedly where he wanted to go all along.

[Bothrops]

I thought he got an offer from Auburn? If that's the case we probably wouldn't have gotten him if we pushed for him since that was allegedly where he wanted to go all along.

What does Auburn want to use him for?

[Todd4State]

What does Auburn want to use him for?

Running back I think.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Is this the best offensive class we have ever signed if we get the Louisiana RB?

[MetEdDawg]

Is this the best offensive class we have ever signed if we get the Louisiana RB?

I would have to think so. Only thing missing to me is another quality high school OL. I like Reese a lot and think he's underrated. With the losses we've had on the OL during the year and to the draft I think he makes the 2 deep next year, especially since he's an early enrollee.

Boone and Cavazos aren't going to make an impact until at least year 3 I don't think. Wish we had another impact high school OL to round that side of the ball out.

[bulldawg28]

Is this the best offensive class we have ever signed if we get the Louisiana RB?

No

[Hambone]

No

What class would be then? A 4 star QB 3 4 star WR?s and a 4 star RB..... what class is better?

[Ari Gold]

No

Based on rankings Yes it is...

[Ari Gold]

I would have to think so. Only thing missing to me is another quality high school OL. I like Reese a lot and think he's underrated. With the losses we've had on the OL during the year and to the draft I think he makes the 2 deep next year, especially since he's an early enrollee.

Boone and Cavazos aren't going to make an impact until at least year 3 I don't think. Wish we had another impact high school OL to round that side of the ball out.

Rather have a grad transfer RT ( if they can either start or for sure be in the 2 deep) to bridge the gap for Reese.. let him get on that left side behind Cross and be ready when he moves on for the NFL.. I think Cross has that special year and if he does it could his last one..
Nick Jones ( early enroll) or Carson Williams are going to have to be ready to go at the OT position.. I just don’t trust Kameron Jones at RT .. hopefully this past year, the spring and this offseason will make me a believer..

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is this the best offensive class we have ever signed if we get the Louisiana RB?

I think it is. A LOT of potential out of this class. And to think, we did all this with no on campus visits or any camps during the summer. I know we got burned on Strong and Daniels, but I've been really impressed with how this staff has recruited. I believe, this could end up being Leach's highest rated signing class. Not bad for his first year in the SEC.

[Ari Gold]

I think it is. A LOT of potential out of this class. And to think, we did all this with no on campus visits or any camps during the summer. I know we got burned on Strong and Daniels, but I've been really impressed with how this staff has recruited. I believe, this could end up being Leach's highest rated signing class. Not bad for his first year in the SEC.

Agree very impressive what the staff did with the covid and the sub par season on the field. And we aren’t done yet.
They also cleaned up that locker room in record time..

And regarding MJ ... yes it would have been great to get this kid.. but after hearing and learning of all the bullshit and shenanigans that went on during his recruitment maybe we are better off.
One would think this kid is a 5 star can’t miss 3 year nfl first rounder... can’t remember a 3 star kid getting this much publicity.. let’s see if the 6 figures plus pans out for OM

Side note He had the same rating as Janari Dean.. Just think of the rating Dean may have gotten if had only played Safety in high school..

Let’s see who ends up with the better college career..

I will take our guy.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Agree very impressive what the staff did with the covid and the sub par season on the field. And we aren’t done yet.
They also cleaned up that locker room in record time..

And regarding MJ ... yes it would have been great to get this kid.. but after hearing and learning of all the bullshit and shenanigans that went on during his recruitment maybe we are better off.
One would think this kid is a 5 star can’t miss 3 year nfl first rounder... can’t remember a 3 star kid getting this much publicity.. let’s see if the 6 figures plus pans out for OM

Side note He had the same rating as Janari Dean.. Just think of the rating Dean may have gotten if had only played Safety in high school..

Let’s see who ends up with the better college career..

I will take our guy.

Steve actually brought this point up during Daniels' recruitment and basically said any other year it wouldn't have been that much publicity but due to it being a bad year for in state talent Daniels got a lot more attention than he probably warranted. I agree though that I'll take Dean over Daniels. And the good news for us.....they'll both be True Freshman next year.

[Cooterpoot]

Lots of projects in that OL class.

[Cooterpoot]

Steve actually brought this point up during Daniels' recruitment and basically said any other year it wouldn't have been that much publicity but due to it being a bad year for in state talent Daniels got a lot more attention than he probably warranted. I agree though that I'll take Dean over Daniels. And the good news for us.....they'll both be True Freshman next year.

You guys can down play Daniels but he's good. He also got them a damn good player next year too. We completely whiffed at CB. That's the sore spot. Everything else is solid. Can't complain much.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You guys can down play Daniels but he's good. He also got them a damn good player next year too. We completely whiffed at CB. That's the sore spot. Everything else is solid. Can't complain much.

I'm not saying that he's not a good player. I think he COULD be a solid contributor for them. I was saying that the hype surrounding him was made greater because the in state talent was weak this year.

[NCDawg]

Lots of projects in that OL class.

Seems like it always is for us and therein lies our problem. We can get tons of skill players, but games are won primarily in the trenches, and we have been lacking in quality OL and DL for a long time. We get a few but not nearly enough to compete with the likes of Alabama and the other elite teams.

[Cooterpoot]

I'm not saying that he's not a good player. I think he COULD be a solid contributor for them. I was saying that the hype surrounding him was made greater because the in state talent was weak this year.

He had a great showing at the all star practices/game vs good competition. He was a miss. There's no way around that and we failed to find a replacement. We literally only have one kid with the potential to be an SEC CB behind our two starters. That's why it's a big deal. Plus, he's versatile and is dragging along another really good player. But he can eat a bag a dicks for handling things like he did. 17 him!

[HancockCountyDog]

Seems like it always is for us and therein lies our problem. We can get tons of skill players, but games are won primarily in the trenches, and we have been lacking in quality OL and DL for a long time. We get a few but not nearly enough to compete with the likes of Alabama and the other elite teams.

This doesn't ring true for me. We have been able to field solid OL/DL for the last decade. The reason we haven't taken the next step is because we have lacked elite skill players.

[Todd4State]

You guys can down play Daniels but he's good. He also got them a damn good player next year too. We completely whiffed at CB. That's the sore spot. Everything else is solid. Can't complain much.

He's not 130K good. I mean, Cam Newton was 180K.

[Leroy Jenkins]

He's not 130K good. I mean, Cam Newton was 180K.

Cost of living adjustment.

[bulldawg28]

Based on rankings Yes it is...

Tyler Russell and his offensive weapons that year were ranked higher individually.

[BrunswickDawg]

Tyler Russell and his offensive weapons that year were ranked higher individually.

Interesting:
2009- Russell 4*.91; Montrell Connor 4* .92; Bumphis 4* .94; Chris Smith 4* .89; Sanders 3*.88; Heavens 3* .88 = .90 avg. (.90333)
2021 - Robertson 4* .94; Hargrove 4* .91; Knox 4* .91; Harmon 4* .91; Moore 3* .87; Price 3* .87 = .90 avg (.901667)

I rounded up from 24/7s info. So a .905+ = .91. Not gonna rank the whole class, thought QB, RB and top 4 WR was a good comp. It also assumes we land Hargrove, since that was the original point in the conversation.

[Cooterpoot]

He's not 130K good. I mean, Cam Newton was 180K.

He didn't get $130K

[bulldawg28]

Interesting:
2009- Russell 4*.91; Montrell Connor 4* .92; Bumphis 4* .94; Chris Smith 4* .89; Sanders 3*.88; Heavens 3* .88 = .90 avg. (.90333)
2021 - Robertson 4* .94; Hargrove 4* .91; Knox 4* .91; Harmon 4* .91; Moore 3* .87; Price 3* .87 = .90 avg (.901667)

I rounded up from 24/7s info. So a .905+ = .91. Not gonna rank the whole class, thought QB, RB and top 4 WR was a good comp. It also assumes we land Hargrove, since that was the original point in the conversation.

Nice analysis. Rep given. Ladarius Perkins was also in that group. They were stacked.

[confucius say]

He had a great showing at the all star practices/game vs good competition. He was a miss. There's no way around that and we failed to find a replacement. We literally only have one kid with the potential to be an SEC CB behind our two starters. That's why it's a big deal. Plus, he's versatile and is dragging along another really good player. But he can eat a bag a dicks for handling things like he did. 17 him!

You think he plays CB or S?

[Todd4State]

He didn't get $130K

OK- 75K with the rest promised later. Hope he gets it.

[Bothrops]

Seems like it always is for us and therein lies our problem. We can get tons of skill players, but games are won primarily in the trenches, and we have been lacking in quality OL and DL for a long time. We get a few but not nearly enough to compete with the likes of Alabama and the other elite teams.

Elite rated o-lineman typically go to the top 7-8 programs in the country, after that it's a developmental group with a few surprises sprinkled in spread over about 160 something programs.

[Todd4State]

Elite rated o-lineman typically go to the top 7-8 programs in the country, after that it's a developmental group with a few surprises sprinkled in spread over about 160 something programs.

Our biggest issue with o-line recruiting is we were getting beat a LOT in state and then in many cases we weren't signing enough o-linemen under Hevesy.

I like the group that we have now. They just need to develop some more.

[maroonmania]

He had a great showing at the all star practices/game vs good competition. He was a miss. There's no way around that and we failed to find a replacement. We literally only have one kid with the potential to be an SEC CB behind our two starters. That's why it's a big deal. Plus, he's versatile and is dragging along another really good player. But he can eat a bag a dicks for handling things like he did. 17 him!

I know its a miss because we didn't meet our DB needs in recruiting so far but its hard for me to consider him a real miss for us as a target. I say that because we virtually never sign a guy that basically puts himself out for auction during the process. We just aren't all in like that with a network to take care of those things. I really feel like he only committed to us to run up the price for OM.

[maroonmania]

Lots of projects in that OL class.

Well, on the bright side, there is no position in recruiting more difficult to evaluate and project than OL. Basically, unless you are getting like a Top 50 type OL prospect in the nation, its a real crapshoot to know what you've really got. So its good we at least are getting numbers to see who develops.

[Cooterpoot]

I know its a miss because we didn't meet our DB needs in recruiting so far but its hard for me to consider him a real miss for us as a target. I say that because we virtually never sign a guy that basically puts himself out for auction during the process. We just aren't all in like that with a network to take care of those things. I really feel like he only committed to us to run up the price for OM.

Pretty much

[Ari Gold]

If things work out with Eddie Smith , that will be the equivalent of landing a big time juco CB..
and we have a punchers chance with Khamauri Rogers in 2022

And let’s not forget about Decamerion Richardson yet... redshirted last year but has a huge upside

[Irondawg]

Well looks like Eddie decided to not put in the extra work to try and graduate in May so he could transfer in conference and play immediately. Just saw it reported he committed to Illinois

[maroonmania]

Well looks like Eddie decided to not put in the extra work to try and graduate in May so he could transfer in conference and play immediately. Just saw it reported he committed to Illinois

We REALLY need to get CJ Johnson at this point.

[DCdawg]

And let’s not forget about Decamerion Richardson yet... redshirted last year but has a huge upside

Was the free year, not affecting eligiblity, only for seniors? Just wondering why he would redshirt if it was a free season for everyone. We obviously needed the depth.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Was the free year, not affecting eligiblity, only for seniors? Just wondering why he would redshirt if it was a free season for everyone. We obviously needed the depth.

Free year for everyone.

[maroonmania]

Was the free year, not affecting eligiblity, only for seniors? Just wondering why he would redshirt if it was a free season for everyone. We obviously needed the depth.

I think there is an SEC rule that would still force you sit out a year if you transfer within the SEC even if the NCAA gives everyone a one time transfer. Believe there would have to be some hardship proven to get around that.

[Cooterpoot]

Was the free year, not affecting eligiblity, only for seniors? Just wondering why he would redshirt if it was a free season for everyone. We obviously needed the depth.

Because he wasn't good enough to play. He's got to take huge steps this spring/summer.

[Ari Gold]

Well looks like Eddie decided to not put in the extra work to try and graduate in May so he could transfer in conference and play immediately. Just saw it reported he committed to Illinois

Didn’t want to sit a year, not going to graduate,
Can’t really blame him.

[BuckyIsAB****]

For the record, the staff is very high on Hampton and he had a good all star game if my memory is correct. They dont feel like he is much different than Daniels as a CB and a lot less drama.

They knew we were not getting Daniels way before signing day

[BuckyIsAB****]

And they are higher on Page than they were on Strong. I saw Strong play in person a few times and he is fast, thought he was a good player. But he hurt himself with us not the other way around

[KOdawg1]

And they are higher on Page than they were on Strong. I saw Strong play in person a few times and he is fast, thought he was a good player. But he hurt himself with us not the other way around

Strong is the better player. I hope our staff didn't think that. He would've started at MLB next year.

[bulldawg28]

For the record, the staff is very high on Hampton and he had a good all star game if my memory is correct. They dont feel like he is much different than Daniels as a CB and a lot less drama.

They knew we were not getting Daniels way before signing day

If they knew that they should have developed a replacement plan.

[BuckyIsAB****]

If they knew that they should have developed a replacement plan.

Hampton was the plan

[BuckyIsAB****]

Strong is the better player. I hope our staff didn't think that. He would've started at MLB next year.

We will see. Page and Watson will be ok inside. Watson is a much better sideline to sideline player than Thompson was.

This staff is not going to play the drama crap. Strong tried it

[bulldawg28]

Hampton was the plan

I'm skeptical of that.

[Cooterpoot]

For the record, the staff is very high on Hampton and he had a good all star game if my memory is correct. They dont feel like he is much different than Daniels as a CB and a lot less drama.

They knew we were not getting Daniels way before signing day

Hampton got destroyed in coverage in the all star game. Was awful. He was good at WR in practices.
Hampton had no offers as a DB. Not one.

[Bothrops]

Hampton got destroyed in coverage in the all star game. Was awful. He was good at WR in practices.
Hampton had no offers as a DB. Not one.

Yeah I think that kid is a WR through and through.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

McBath and Hughes didn?t take care of business...

[KOdawg1]

Hampton was the plan
Back-up plan *

[Ari Gold]

Guys I get it.. we have a need at CB
But we have 2 all sec talent and future pros In Emerson and Forbes and barring injury they will play 80% of snaps..
We will pick up a grad transfer at CB
And We are in good shape for 3-4 DBs ( corners) right now for 2022

And again MJ might turn out to be a very good one, but damn he isn’t Deion

[Cooterpoot]

Guys I get it.. we have a need at CB
But we have 2 all sec talent and future pros In Emerson and Forbes and barring injury they will play 80% of snaps..
We will pick up a grad transfer at CB
And We are in good shape for 3-4 DBs ( corners) right now for 2022

And again MJ might turn out to be a very good one, but damn he isn?t Deion

I don't see a grad transfer CB unless it's the TX kid. But we also play with an extra CB in situations with the 3-3-5. So, we need a good third guy and a back up. We're one injury await from a mess at CB.
Hampton is two years away if he stays at CB. Really need a couple CBs. Richardson really has to take off. He wasn't close this year.

[sscjr1]

Getting CBs for Jalen Green on 247

[vv83]

Getting CBs for Jalen Green on 247

Geez, 5 star top 20 national player in 2018. What's his story, did he just suck at UT and get benched or is he trying to get away from new coaching staff?

[Jarius]

I don't see a grad transfer CB unless it's the TX kid. But we also play with an extra CB in situations with the 3-3-5. So, we need a good third guy and a back up. We're one injury await from a mess at CB.
Hampton is two years away if he stays at CB. Really need a couple CBs. Richardson really has to take off. He wasn't close this year.

We are going to land the Texas transfer. We are fine.

[KOdawg1]

Getting CBs for Jalen Green on 247

I think he's our starting FS next year.

[Cooterpoot]

We are going to land the Texas transfer. We are fine.

He would give us flexibility because he can play coverage.

[Jarius]

He would give us flexibility because he can play coverage.

Yep. He can play corner or free and this is exactly what we need.

[bulldawg28]

We are going to land the Texas transfer. We are fine.

How many years of eligibility does he have remaining?

[KOdawg1]

How many years of eligibility does he have remaining?
2

[Ari Gold]

How many years of eligibility does he have remaining?

2..
and this is a huge pull
Boom!!