2021 MSU Football Recruiting Discussion Thread

[sscjr1]

2..
and this is a huge pull
Boom!!

Done deal?

[Ari Gold]

Done deal?

Boom...

[bostondawg]

Who would our options be next year for starting at FS? (besides Green)

[vv83]

Boom...

Why is he transferring? See he?s a top 20 recruit from 2018, so a huge get if it isn?t for discipline or performance issues.

[bulldawg28]

Who would our options be next year for starting at FS? (besides Green)

Peters

[Dogbone]

Why is he transferring? See he?s a top 20 recruit from 2018, so a huge get if it isn?t for discipline or performance issues.

Could be new coaching staff, sometimes players don't like the changes.

[HailStateSZN19]

Why is he transferring? See he?s a top 20 recruit from 2018, so a huge get if it isn?t for discipline or performance issues.

Just wanted a fresh start I think. Gotta give the coaching staff some credit here, word was this guy was stuck on going somewhere where he?s a likely starting CB. I was told Washington and the staff sold him on the idea that we put the best 5 DB?s on the field and if he?s one of the 5 best DB?s, he will start and play a lot. And he likes Washington a lot, JWash won him over when he signed with Texas and he?s apparently won him over again. Several other very good P5 programs wanted him.

He?s your starting FS next season and a damn good one. And in a crunch, he can move down and play CB if needed. Versatile guy. And we got him for 2 years.

[HancockCountyDog]

Why is he transferring? See he?s a top 20 recruit from 2018, so a huge get if it isn?t for discipline or performance issues.

He only started one game this past year, could still have something left to be uncovered, but he struggled to get playing time on a bad Texas team this past year.

Hopefully a change in location will help him.

[Bothrops]

Green was 247's numero uno recruit out of Texas in 2018.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Who would our options be next year for starting at FS? (besides Green)

Bunch of them. Everyone who played this year and Peters Morgan and a healthy Dean and Purvis.

We have tons of depth at safety. One or two can play corner if needed.

[Hambone]

Won’t the Lawrence kid be healthy as well or is he projected to play another position?

[bulldawg28]

Bunch of them. Everyone who played this year and Peters Morgan and a healthy Dean and Purvis.

We have tons of depth at safety. One or two can play corner if needed.

Ironically having this safety depth and teams going to pass 1st makes for this group to become a strength.

[MetEdDawg]

Spurrier threw out some eyes on Twitter last night. Usually means something good on the recruiting side. Any thought?

[KOdawg1]

Spurrier threw out some eyes on Twitter last night. Usually means something good on the recruiting side. Any thought?

Green

[Hambone]

He was just 3 to 4 hours behind everyone

[Hambone]

https://twitter.com/scoutstever/status/1354102186444255234?s=21

CJ Johnson headed to Northwestern?

[Cooterpoot]

Covering our asses.

[ZedFedder]

https://twitter.com/jaylonguilbeau1/status/1354183629044391938?s=21

Interesting. Big time 2021 recruit. I wonder if there is any chance this late?

[KOdawg1]

https://twitter.com/jaylonguilbeau1/status/1354183629044391938?s=21

Interesting. Big time 2021 recruit. I wonder if there is any chance this late?

He's a 2022 recruit.

[ZedFedder]

Not sure how I miss that. My bad.

[Ari Gold]

With CJ
No one should give this kid ANY shit about going to Northwestern or Duke.. Hell I personally thought he should stick with Navy.. kid is beyond smart is this decision is strictly based on his future after football.

Saying that would love to have him at MSU...
The staff has done a great job after early signing day ... we won’t be left empty handed if CJ goes elsewhere..

[Cooterpoot]

I'm not worried about CJ. He can do what he wants and we'll be fine.

[Travelingdawg]

Steve has pirate flag flying, can someone confirm who it is?

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Hargrove likely.

[Ari Gold]

I'm not worried about CJ. He can do what he wants and we'll be fine.

Agree... but we will have some that will be bent out of shape just to be bent ...

[KOdawg1]

CJ would be a good player but him going elsewhere only stings bc he's a great student/kid and in our backyard. He wouldn't contribute soon or anything.

I still want him though because we need kids like him on our team.

Also, if I wasn't going to State, I'd just recommit to Navy over Northwestern or Duke, but to each their own.

[Ari Gold]

Looks like the “shitty” class has slid its way into to the top 25. ( with only 21 commits )

With a transfer DE, with experience with a couple years left to play
A transfer ex 5 star CB with experience with a couple years left to play
A transfer QB with a ton of experience that will push for the starting gig
A transfer power 5 WR with experience with a couple left to play
And we still are expected to sign Cooper and one more DB

[Cooterpoot]

Should finish about where we normally do. I figure about 28ish. Good thing is we did well where we needed to minus DB. Should be able to get inside that too 25 in the future and hopefully top 20.

[vv83]

Looks like the ?shitty? class has slid its way into to the top 25. ( with only 21 commits )

With a transfer DE, with experience with a couple years left to play
A transfer ex 5 star CB with experience with a couple years left to play
A transfer QB with a ton of experience that will push for the starting gig
A transfer power 5 WR with experience with a couple left to play
And we still are expected to sign Cooper and one more DB

I appreciate the maroon glasses, but if the transfer QB wins the starting job were in big trouble

[Ari Gold]

I appreciate the maroon glasses, but if the transfer QB wins the starting job were in big trouble

You are welcome..
Maroon glasses.. ??? What’s maroon glasses about this post?
And JA pushing Rodgers for the starting gig is only a good thing... whoever ends up the starter..

[Ari Gold]

Should finish about where we normally do. I figure about 28ish. Good thing is we did well where we needed to minus DB. Should be able to get inside that too 25 in the future and hopefully top 20.

Green > MJ
The only negative is 2 less years..

[Cooterpoot]

Green > MJ
The only negative is 2 less years..

No way to know that. Greene has only started 8 games in 3 years. Only has 1 pick. That's not exactly proof. He's a wait and see. Gotta hope reuniting with his old coach and a change in scheme helps him. He's obviously got some ability to be as highly rated as he was.

[bulldawg28]

No way to know that. Greene has only started 8 games in 3 years. Only has 1 pick. That's not exactly proof. He's a wait and see. Gotta hope reuniting with his old coach and a change in scheme helps him. He's obviously got some ability to be as highly rated as he was.

It's a wait and see for every recruit. No one knows how they will perform once they hit the field. However, Greene is more skilled than MJ.

[msbulldog]

No way to know that. Greene has only started 8 games in 3 years. Only has 1 pick. That's not exactly proof. He's a wait and see. Gotta hope reuniting with his old coach and a change in scheme helps him. He's obviously got some ability to be as highly rated as he was.

MJ ain't all that great either.

[Walkerhill]

A big difference might being buried on the bench at a blue blood vs having an immediate opportunity here. Just sayin’.

A high recruiting ranking is not a guarantee of future success.
Stats when you are not playing are kind of irrelevant.

Both are true. I do think since this is literally the recruiting thread to stretch at one projects better than the other based on rating is in bounds.

[BrunswickDawg]

A big difference might being buried on the bench at a blue blood vs having an immediate opportunity here. Just sayin’.

A high recruiting ranking is not a guarantee of future success.
Stats when you are not playing are kind of irrelevant.

Both are true. I do think since this is literally the recruiting thread to stretch at one projects better than the other based on rating is in bounds.

I know we tend to think of Texas as over rated - but go look at the 2 guys who played ahead of him this year - a 4* Sr (thompson) and a 4* Jr. (Jimison), and 4* Jr. (Cook) who split time with him in '19 Texas has been deep in CB's. He did start 7 games in '19, and if he was dinged up this year, it's easy to see how you can fall down to 2nd string with the talent on hand. That program has talent and depth we wish we had - and can't get out of their own way.

[Ari Gold]

No way to know that. Greene has only started 8 games in 3 years. Only has 1 pick. That's not exactly proof. He's a wait and see. Gotta hope reuniting with his old coach and a change in scheme helps him. He's obviously got some ability to be as highly rated as he was.

If you asked Coach Washington today
You can have Green for 2 years or MJ for 4
The answer is Green ... trust me ..

[Todd4State]

If you asked Coach Washington today
You can have Green for 2 years or MJ for 4
The answer is Green ... trust me ..

That's assuming that MJ is actually somewhere four years and doesn't leave because he wants to be recruited again and people to respect his decision.

[HoopsDawg]

If you asked Coach Washington today
You can have Green for 2 years or MJ for 4
The answer is Green ... trust me ..

Thanks goodness we landed Green b/c this DB recruiting is.....

[Cooterpoot]

We're about to miss on 3 of our final four DBs. Maybe all four. DB recruiting has been a shit show.

[maroonmania]

We're about to miss on 3 of our final four DBs. Maybe all four. DB recruiting has been a shit show.

McBath certainly appears to be the weak link on the recruiting front.

[KOdawg1]

We're about to miss on 3 of our final four DBs. Maybe all four. DB recruiting has been a shit show.

Outside of Green, it's been pretty ugly. I just hope we don't reach again. Save the scholarship if we can't get a good player.

[Bothrops]

Outside of Green, it's been pretty ugly. I just hope we don't reach again. Save the scholarship if we can't get a good player.

For what?

[Todd4State]

McBath certainly appears to be the weak link on the recruiting front.

They're not all corners that we're missing on.

[KOdawg1]

For what?

Another player. They'll be lots of guys transferring after spring practice.

[Offshore Dawg]

Give it a rest, some of you go off the deep end with any negative news, Damn and some of you act like you just had you dick cut off !!

[bulldawg28]

We're about to miss on 3 of our final four DBs. Maybe all four. DB recruiting has been a shit show.

We're about to be just fine with DB's. The only wtf moment is potentially signing the Amory kid. We offer over 100 kids each cycle. I guess we miss out on those 75 too huh? Go for a walk. EVERY SCHOOL misses on players.

[bulldawg28]

Give it a rest, some of you go off the deep end with any negative news, Damn and some of you act like you just had you dick cut off !!

Amen. We just signed a 5 star corner and I can’t recall that ever happening and guys are questioning that. I give the coaches credit. They have filled gaps. I wish we could sign or get a transfer ILB.

[1bigdawg]

McBath certainly appears to be the weak link on the recruiting front.

I will wait until recruiting returns to normal, camps, in-home visits, official visits, etc, before I judge any of these guys recruiting prowess. They are new to the area and could not meet a single recruit face to face.

[KOdawg1]

Amen. We just signed a 5 star corner and I can’t recall that ever happening and guys are questioning that. I give the coaches credit. They have filled gaps. I wish we could sign or get a transfer ILB.

Who is questioning signing a 5 star corner? I haven't seen that.

I'm questioning every other DB we've signing this class though. Hampton was a reach and will be a project. Corey Ellington is a project. Green was an awesome get, no doubt. But he's about the only thing keeping this DB class from getting an F. We've got to recruit HS DBs better, or that position will be a huge weakness in the future. Transfers can only save you so much.

[maroonmania]

Who is questioning signing a 5 star corner? I haven't seen that.

I'm questioning every other DB we've signing this class though. Hampton was a reach and will be a project. Corey Ellington is a project. Green was an awesome get, no doubt. But he's about the only thing keeping this DB class from getting an F. We've got to recruit HS DBs better, or that position will be a huge weakness in the future. Transfers can only save you so much.

Well Jason Washington was THE reason we got Green. He has also been a key in our other recruiting in TX. So while we've missed on some safeties as well as corners I can at least see contributions that Washington is making, McBath not so much. And as far as likely losing CJ Johnson, my biggest question is, if his biggest factor is really the academic reputation angle, I guess I don't really understand why he just didn't stick with Navy? Annapolis is a great education, so unless he just didn't want the military obligation that comes along with that, I'm not sure what the point was of not staying true to that? And Navy football is every bit as good as Northwestern or Duke.

[bulldawg28]

Who is questioning signing a 5 star corner? I haven't seen that.

I'm questioning every other DB we've signing this class though. Hampton was a reach and will be a project. Corey Ellington is a project. Green was an awesome get, no doubt. But he's about the only thing keeping this DB class from getting an F. We've got to recruit HS DBs better, or that position will be a huge weakness in the future. Transfers can only save you so much.

I wasn't referring to you. However, I take transfers apart of recruiting as well.

[KOdawg1]

Well Jason Washington was THE reason we got Green. He has also been a key in our other recruiting in TX. So while we've missed on some safeties as well as corners I can at least see contributions that Washington is making, McBath not so much. And as far as likely losing CJ Johnson, my biggest question is, if his biggest factor is really the academic reputation angle, I guess I don't really understand why he just didn't stick with Navy? Annapolis is a great education, so unless he just didn't want the military obligation that comes along with that, I'm not sure what the point was of not staying true to that? And Navy football is every bit as good as Northwestern or Duke.

I would've stuck with Navy as well.

[confucius say]

Villanova transfer

[Hambone]

Is he coming to State? I saw where he shut everything down

[Todd4State]

Amen. We just signed a 5 star corner and I can’t recall that ever happening and guys are questioning that. I give the coaches credit. They have filled gaps. I wish we could sign or get a transfer ILB.

I'm glad I'm not the only one saying get a legit MLB. I think we'll be OK at LB but not getting Strong gives us some questions at that group.

[Todd4State]

Well Jason Washington was THE reason we got Green. He has also been a key in our other recruiting in TX. So while we've missed on some safeties as well as corners I can at least see contributions that Washington is making, McBath not so much. And as far as likely losing CJ Johnson, my biggest question is, if his biggest factor is really the academic reputation angle, I guess I don't really understand why he just didn't stick with Navy? Annapolis is a great education, so unless he just didn't want the military obligation that comes along with that, I'm not sure what the point was of not staying true to that? And Navy football is every bit as good as Northwestern or Duke.

And then it doesn't help when you have MSU alumni acting like their degree is a GED certificate.

I've worked with Northwestern grads and we both made the same salary and they never looked down on my Mississippi education.

[StateDawg44]

Give it a rest, some of you go off the deep end with any negative news, Damn and some of you act like you just had you dick cut off !!

Unfortunately, everyone loves a good pile on now days.

[Bothrops]

Another player. They'll be lots of guys transferring after spring practice.

It just seems like we always have room, no matter what we do.

[Bothrops]

And Navy football is every bit as good as Northwestern or Duke.

And Northwestern owns us in football as well.

[Todd4State]

It just seems like we always have room, no matter what we do.

Yeah- we basically put ourselves on probation under Dan.

At least I feel like Leach is trying to fill holes.

[Todd4State]

McBath, Washington, and Hughes- yeah I said Hughes- need to land some guys this next cycle. From high school.

[maroonmania]

And then it doesn't help when you have MSU alumni acting like their degree is a GED certificate.

I've worked with Northwestern grads and we both made the same salary and they never looked down on my Mississippi education.

I agree, a degree from a particular school can help open a few more doors right out of school, but after that, your own merits mean a heck of lot more than what your diploma says as long as you do have the required degree. In fact, if I was going to plan to live in the Southeast near family, I would probably rather have a degree from a university in this area. But, if you are open to anywhere then a degree from a high prestige school will definitely help. But, either way, MSU fans do indeed seem to be some of the best at helping recruit coaches and players away from MSU if they have any other opportunities.

[maroonmania]

And Northwestern owns us in football as well.

Owns us? I hope you are joking. We've only played NW once in our entire history of football.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Looks like we are going to miss on all of our last DB targets. I guess we can just pocket until after spring and try and nab a transfer

[confucius say]

Is he coming to State? I saw where he shut everything down

Not sure. He is supposed to announce today though.

[Cooterpoot]

Amen. We just signed a 5 star corner and I can?t recall that ever happening and guys are questioning that. I give the coaches credit. They have filled gaps. I wish we could sign or get a transfer ILB.

No we didn't. He's a safety in our scheme. And he's only started 8 games in 3 years. He's no 5 star based on his performance. We'll have to see how he pans out. He's certainly better than what we put out there last year.
But, we missed on every HS DB recruit. We won one battle instate and that was Lewis. Cooper should be the 2nd.
Our top recruits were all guys Leach was on at WSU minus a couple. This staff has got to win recruiting battles in MS. It's a big year. Can't lose all the talent.

[BrunswickDawg]

No we didn't. He's a safety. And he's only started 8 games in 3 years. He's no 5 star. We'll have to see how he pans out. He's certainly better than what we put out there last year.

In '18 he only played 2 games - so he redshirted. In '19, Texas has him listed in their team stats as CB, and he started at CB in 7 games. He got beat out by Thompson & Jamison this year - and only started 1 game but played in 9 total.
He also seems to be pretty versatile - https://247sports.com/college/texas/Article/Texas-Longhorns-Alamo-Bowl-Jalen-Green-double-duty-cornerback-safety-Montrell-Estell-move-to-wide-receiver-157733998/

Sounds like a pretty good fit for our D.

[sandwolf]

...so unless he just didn't want the military obligation that comes along with that...

I am guessing that this is the case. Given the choice, I think most people would choose the elite education that did not include the military obligation.

[bulldawg28]

No we didn't. He's a safety in our scheme. And he's only started 8 games in 3 years. He's no 5 star based on his performance. We'll have to see how he pans out. He's certainly better than what we put out there last year.
But, we missed on every HS DB recruit. We won one battle instate and that was Lewis. Cooper should be the 2nd.
Our top recruits were all guys Leach was on at WSU minus a couple. This staff has got to win recruiting battles in MS. It's a big year. Can't lose all the talent.

I agree that we can't lose the majority of the talent in our home state. But when was the last time that happened, 20 years ago? Losing a few players we wanted isn't losing the state. I also know it's harder to get on the field at Texas vs Mississippi state. Little playing time doesn't reflect talent it's just better talent is in front of you. Heck, every healthy Alabama and LSU transfer we have played last year. Were they terrible too at their 1st school? Or are those schools just loaded?

[HancockCountyDog]

If y'all think you are pissed - you should hear AU people.

They are furious with recruiting.

Stealing some recruit away from South Alabama at the last minute? They can't see straight they are so pissed off.

[msstate7]

If y'all think you are pissed - you should hear AU people.

They are furious with recruiting.

Stealing some recruit away from South Alabama at the last minute? They can't see straight they are so pissed off.

Should we, OM, ark, tenn, etc be worried about any of our guys? If auburn gets desperate, who knows what they do?

[Hot Rock]

I don't even understand people pissed off at State's recruiting. It's been pretty darn good. They are in the top 30 in recruiting rankings, plus three big time transfer portal guys.

The portal brought us a WR, DB and DL all of which should see playing time even if they don't start next year. Then some depth at the QB position with about 4 guys that aren't even on scholarship right? None of that even counts toward recruiting rank.

By the time this roster is done for 2021, it won't have 2 four star dual threat QB's sitting on the bench that never play. The the average player's rating on the field will be improved. It's not just roster talent but roster talent that sees the field.

I would think that's what one would hope to see. Now lets see a strong finish to this class off with another good player or two and get these guys another year older, stronger and faster. Then some spring training to elevate the execution and evaluation of what is there.

I am looking forward to what Leach can do with a full year of training and not having to install the basics to everyone.

[maroonmania]

I don't even understand people pissed off at State's recruiting. It's been pretty darn good. They are in the top 30 in recruiting rankings, plus three big time transfer portal guys.

The portal brought us a WR, DB and DL all of which should see playing time even if they don't start next year. Then some depth at the QB position with about 4 guys that aren't even on scholarship right? None of that even counts toward recruiting rank.

By the time this roster is done for 2021, it won't have 2 four star dual threat QB's sitting on the bench that never play. The the average player's rating on the field will be improved. It's not just roster talent but roster talent that sees the field.

I would think that's what one would hope to see. Now lets see a strong finish to this class off with another good player or two and get these guys another year older, stronger and faster. Then some spring training to elevate the execution and evaluation of what is there.

I am looking forward to what Leach can do with a full year of training and not having to install the basics to everyone.

I don't think anyone is pissed off, at least I hope not. DB recruiting was really bad and we didn't get a true MLB but overall this is a pretty good class and should finish around where we normally do rankings wise (mid 20s). If Strong and Daniels were actually in the class it would have been above what we usually do. I do feel Arnett will put a quality defense on the field with whatever he has while he is here, however long that ends up being. We certainly upgraded most of the offensive skill positions and got numbers for the OL.

[Dogbone]

Are we waiting on someone to sign today?

[msbulldog]

Brandon Cunningham is transferring.

[HancockCountyDog]

Should we, OM, ark, tenn, etc be worried about any of our guys? If auburn gets desperate, who knows what they do?

Most of our guys have already signed - maybe for the next recruiting cycle, but honestly AU fired a lot of their elite recruiters. They can become Arkansas very quickly.

[confucius say]

Tony Hughes primary value is him being in the living room. He couldn't do that this year.

[Jarius]

I don't even understand people pissed off at State's recruiting. It's been pretty darn good. They are in the top 30 in recruiting rankings, plus three big time transfer portal guys.

The portal brought us a WR, DB and DL all of which should see playing time even if they don't start next year. Then some depth at the QB position with about 4 guys that aren't even on scholarship right? None of that even counts toward recruiting rank.

By the time this roster is done for 2021, it won't have 2 four star dual threat QB's sitting on the bench that never play. The the average player's rating on the field will be improved. It's not just roster talent but roster talent that sees the field.

I would think that's what one would hope to see. Now lets see a strong finish to this class off with another good player or two and get these guys another year older, stronger and faster. Then some spring training to elevate the execution and evaluation of what is there.

I am looking forward to what Leach can do with a full year of training and not having to install the basics to everyone.


Most people upset about Leach’s overall recruiting class are people who hate him because of who he supports politically. Those people have found and will continue to find reasons to dislike Leach. He will be held to a standard that is unattainable by them until he leaves because they are assholes that are blinded by hate.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Brandon Cunningham is transferring.
Another one who was not going to see the field anytime soon...

[DEDawg]

Most people upset about Leach’s overall recruiting class are people who hate him because of who he supports politically. Those people have found and will continue to find reasons to dislike Leach. He will be held to a standard that is unattainable by them until he leaves because they are assholes that are blinded by hate.

this is probably the biggest reach ive ever read on this board... and that's saying a lot

[msstate7]

Another one who was not going to see the field anytime soon...

Didn't he see this field this year? Thread below says he played in 9 games and started 1

[msstate7]

Most people upset about Leach?s overall recruiting class are people who hate him because of who he supports politically. Those people have found and will continue to find reasons to dislike Leach. He will be held to a standard that is unattainable by them until he leaves because they are assholes that are blinded by hate.

Come on mane. It's not like this class is above criticism. Top 30 is really just bc of numbers at the moment... just looking at the classes behind us to #40 (#28 to 40), there are 8 of the 13 with a higher rating per commit than us.

ETA... now this doesn't include the transfers, whom I like. I feel a lot better about this class than I did a few months ago. Still, it isn't like it's great... hardly terrible though.

[Jarius]

this is probably the biggest reach ive ever read on this board... and that's saying a lot

Then what on earth would anyone be bitching for ? The worst in state class in your lifetime is going to end up with a class exactly like 99 % of our classes throughout the past decade. That is a phenomenal accomplishment. Yes, it has holes. So does every class we have ever signed. Anyone complaining about the overall class has an agenda or is too stupid to take seriously.

[Jarius]

Come on mane. It's not like this class is above criticism. Top 30 is really just bc of numbers at the moment... just looking at the classes behind us to #40 (#28 to 40), there are 8 of the 13 with a higher rating per commit than us.

ETA... now this doesn't include the transfers, whom I like. I feel a lot better about this class than I did a few months ago. Still, it isn't like it's great... hardly terrible though.

This class looks like most all of our classes that have resulted in us having the best decade in MSU football history. We don’t recruit like Alabama or teams like them and never will. If you want to find holes in our recruiting class you will have no problem finding them, just like every other class we have ever signed. The problem is people (more on other boards than this one) are going over the top with the criticism and they are Doing it because they hate Leach (or they are just stupid).

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Didn't he see this field this year? Thread below says he played in 9 games and started 1

They were going to move him to defense in the off season....

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Then what on earth would anyone be bitching for ? The worst in state class in your lifetime is going to end up with a class exactly like 99 % of our classes throughout the past decade. That is a phenomenal accomplishment. Yes, it has holes. So does every class we have ever signed. Anyone complaining about the overall class has an agenda or is too stupid to take seriously.

The same reason were bitching at Hev for under recruiting on the OL & Billy G for having our WR room looking like trash. Up to now we've signed 1 CB in this class & he's hardly played any CB. We signed a mid 3* Safety & a former 5* CB who we're moving to safety. We've missed or in the process of missing our last 5 secondary targets (Amos, Johnson, Craig, Williams, & Bridges). I'm not asking for anyone to be fired but the Secondary recruiting has been bad. Instate we had Calloway, Walley, & Daniel we went 0/3. We're literally a super tight relationship with Washington & Green to the worst secondary class likely ever. That has 0 to do with Leach's beliefs. I also think people wouldn't give a shit about his beliefs & thoughts if the offense didn't look so horrible for 80% of the season. That other stuff is just a convenient excuse to not acknowledge the offense was way worse than anyone expected it to be.

Also good to be back

[KOdawg1]

The same reason were bitching at Hev for under recruiting on the OL & Billy G for having our WR room looking like trash. Up to now we've signed 1 CB in this class & he's hardly played any CB. We signed a mid 3* Safety & a former 5* CB who we're moving to safety. We've missed or in the process of missing our last 5 secondary targets (Amos, Johnson, Craig, Williams, & Bridges). I'm not asking for anyone to be fired but the Secondary recruiting has been bad. Instate we had Calloway, Walley, & Daniel we went 0/3. We're literally a super tight relationship with Washington & Green to the worst secondary class likely ever. That has 0 to do with Leach's beliefs. I also think people wouldn't give a shit about his beliefs & thoughts if the offense didn't look so horrible for 80% of the season. That other stuff is just a convenient excuse to not acknowledge the offense was way worse than anyone expected it to be.

Also good to be back

Ding, ding, ding.

This class has a lot of good things about it. The highest rated HS QB we've ever signed. A 4* RB. 2 4* WRs and one who should be a 4*. Some solid OL in Reese and Boone. DL recruiting was okay. We did really well at LB outside of losing Strong. But the DB recruiting this class cycle has been bad. They've got next class to fix it. Otherwise we'll need to cut ties bc we can't afford to have a weak secondary in this league.

[msstate7]

The same reason were bitching at Hev for under recruiting on the OL & Billy G for having our WR room looking like trash. Up to now we've signed 1 CB in this class & he's hardly played any CB. We signed a mid 3* Safety & a former 5* CB who we're moving to safety. We've missed or in the process of missing our last 5 secondary targets (Amos, Johnson, Craig, Williams, & Bridges). I'm not asking for anyone to be fired but the Secondary recruiting has been bad. Instate we had Calloway, Walley, & Daniel we went 0/3. We're literally a super tight relationship with Washington & Green to the worst secondary class likely ever. That has 0 to do with Leach's beliefs. I also think people wouldn't give a shit about his beliefs & thoughts if the offense didn't look so horrible for 80% of the season. That other stuff is just a convenient excuse to not acknowledge the offense was way worse than anyone expected it to be.

Also good to be back

Awesome to see you back. Missed ya

[BrunswickDawg]

The same reason were bitching at Hev for under recruiting on the OL & Billy G for having our WR room looking like trash. Up to now we've signed 1 CB in this class & he's hardly played any CB. We signed a mid 3* Safety & a former 5* CB who we're moving to safety. We've missed or in the process of missing our last 5 secondary targets (Amos, Johnson, Craig, Williams, & Bridges). I'm not asking for anyone to be fired but the Secondary recruiting has been bad. Instate we had Calloway, Walley, & Daniel we went 0/3. We're literally a super tight relationship with Washington & Green to the worst secondary class likely ever. That has 0 to do with Leach's beliefs. I also think people wouldn't give a shit about his beliefs & thoughts if the offense didn't look so horrible for 80% of the season. That other stuff is just a convenient excuse to not acknowledge the offense was way worse than anyone expected it to be.

Also good to be back

Dry January a/k/a "Ifyouonlyknew" takes a message board break January?? LOL

[Jarius]

The same reason were bitching at Hev for under recruiting on the OL & Billy G for having our WR room looking like trash. Up to now we've signed 1 CB in this class & he's hardly played any CB. We signed a mid 3* Safety & a former 5* CB who we're moving to safety. We've missed or in the process of missing our last 5 secondary targets (Amos, Johnson, Craig, Williams, & Bridges). I'm not asking for anyone to be fired but the Secondary recruiting has been bad. Instate we had Calloway, Walley, & Daniel we went 0/3. We're literally a super tight relationship with Washington & Green to the worst secondary class likely ever. That has 0 to do with Leach's beliefs. I also think people wouldn't give a shit about his beliefs & thoughts if the offense didn't look so horrible for 80% of the season. That other stuff is just a convenient excuse to not acknowledge the offense was way worse than anyone expected it to be.

Also good to be back

There is a huge difference in pointing out that our DB position group has been struggling to recruit this cycle and what some of our fans are bitching about and the way they are going about it. This is directed to the MSU “fans” that only pop out their head to bitch about the DB recruiting and are nowhere to be found about the rest of the class. This is directed to the “fans” who bitch about the offense and fail to see the vast improvement that happened over the back half of the season with 75 % first or second year players. Leach’s offense looked just like it did year 1 everywhere else statistically with an all SEC schedule. Our fans, including myself, had too high of expectations for the offense. So I say again, if you are enraged about this signing class to the point that you do nothing but bitch every time recruiting is brought up, you are either a dumbass or you have an agenda. There are either a bunch of them on MSU message boards or the more likely case is they are the same people that go by a different screen name depending on what board they are posting on.

[deltadawg63]

Maybe it has been said in a previous post or thread but the offensive line blocking schemes are night and day different than under Mullen and Moorhead. And the type OL needed are very, very different; thus, many of the existing OL prior to Leach do not fit the scheme and are being displaced by those that best fit the scheme. Another expected, drastic changeover due to the coaching hire and style.

[HancockCountyDog]

Most people upset about Leach?s overall recruiting class are people who hate him because of who he supports politically. Those people have found and will continue to find reasons to dislike Leach. He will be held to a standard that is unattainable by them until he leaves because they are assholes that are blinded by hate.

I'm pretty sure that any true maroon pinko socialist wouldn't give two shits about Leach's political leanings as long as he is whipping ass on Saturdays. I care about W's and L's and how his offense looks - the rest is just bullshit.

[HancockCountyDog]

The same reason were bitching at Hev for under recruiting on the OL & Billy G for having our WR room looking like trash. Up to now we've signed 1 CB in this class & he's hardly played any CB. We signed a mid 3* Safety & a former 5* CB who we're moving to safety. We've missed or in the process of missing our last 5 secondary targets (Amos, Johnson, Craig, Williams, & Bridges). I'm not asking for anyone to be fired but the Secondary recruiting has been bad. Instate we had Calloway, Walley, & Daniel we went 0/3. We're literally a super tight relationship with Washington & Green to the worst secondary class likely ever. That has 0 to do with Leach's beliefs. I also think people wouldn't give a shit about his beliefs & thoughts if the offense didn't look so horrible for 80% of the season. That other stuff is just a convenient excuse to not acknowledge the offense was way worse than anyone expected it to be.

Also good to be back

Ok - I think this wraps up this issue. On to the next one.

[HoopsDawg]

The same reason were bitching at Hev for under recruiting on the OL & Billy G for having our WR room looking like trash. Up to now we've signed 1 CB in this class & he's hardly played any CB. We signed a mid 3* Safety & a former 5* CB who we're moving to safety. We've missed or in the process of missing our last 5 secondary targets (Amos, Johnson, Craig, Williams, & Bridges). I'm not asking for anyone to be fired but the Secondary recruiting has been bad. Instate we had Calloway, Walley, & Daniel we went 0/3. We're literally a super tight relationship with Washington & Green to the worst secondary class likely ever. That has 0 to do with Leach's beliefs. I also think people wouldn't give a shit about his beliefs & thoughts if the offense didn't look so horrible for 80% of the season. That other stuff is just a convenient excuse to not acknowledge the offense was way worse than anyone expected it to be.

Also good to be back

Bro, don't ever leave again. LOL.

[BrunswickDawg]

I'm pretty sure that any true maroon pinko socialist wouldn't give two shits about Leach's political leanings as long as he is whipping ass on Saturdays. I care about W's and L's and how his offense looks - the rest is just bullshit.

Speaking for the true maroon pinko socialists on the board - you are correct.

[Jarius]

I'm pretty sure that any true maroon pinko socialist wouldn't give two shits about Leach's political leanings as long as he is whipping ass on Saturdays. I care about W's and L's and how his offense looks - the rest is just bullshit.

We have people on MSU boards who care more about other things than if MSU wins. Some on other boards admitted to it openly. I’m not guessing when I tell you we have fans on our message boards who are this way. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. There are many that will overlook it when he wins, but rather than celebrate they will just shut up until the next time something pops up that they have a chance to bitch about (like they are currently doing with this recruiting class). When posters are never there to get excited for the positives and always there to bitch at the negatives, something else is a motivating factor. Same thing happens with Cohen, although he actually deserves some criticism.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We have people on MSU boards who care more about other things than if MSU wins. Some on other boards admitted to it openly. I’m not guessing when I tell you we have fans on our message boards who are this way. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. There are many that will overlook it when he wins, but rather than celebrate they will just shut up until the next time something pops up that they have a chance to bitch about (like they are currently doing with this recruiting class). When posters are never there to get excited for the positives and always there to bitch at the negatives, something else is a motivating factor. Same thing happens with Cohen, although he actually deserves some criticism.

That happens with every coach. Happened with Moorhead, happening now with Howland & NMP.

[HancockCountyDog]

We have people on MSU boards who care more about other things than if MSU wins. Some on other boards admitted to it openly. I’m not guessing when I tell you we have fans on our message boards who are this way. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. There are many that will overlook it when he wins, but rather than celebrate they will just shut up until the next time something pops up that they have a chance to bitch about (like they are currently doing with this recruiting class). When posters are never there to get excited for the positives and always there to bitch at the negatives, something else is a motivating factor. Same thing happens with Cohen, although he actually deserves some criticism.

It is ok to have legit concerns about Leach after year 1 both in recruiting and on the field. What is amazing is that they are both polar opposites, the football team on the field closed fairly strong and the recruiting class has fizzled towards the end. Sure we have done well in the portal, but I'm not counting on portal players yet - so far its a mixed bag for almost every program.

Bottom line is that we apparently are about to miss out on a DB to AU that we could have easily signed in December if we had offered, now I have no idea who we are going to sign, but it is a miss.

One of our OL signees has already left campus, we lost out on a key LB commit, same with a stud WR on signing day. Its simply been a tough finish. Any rational fan would say that regardless of their stance on Leach.

I have my concern about his offense working, I sure hope I'm wrong and we post a strong season because I think we are going to miss some of those war daddies up front that are graduating on the DL.

[Jarius]

That happens with every coach. Happened with Moorhead, happening now with Howland & NMP.

Moorhead inherited the #1 defense in the country and was installing an offense that was semi similar to what his
Predecessor ran. The women’s basketball coach inherited a program that was a blue blood and has immediately turned it into an absolute train wreck. Howland is on year 6 and has been average.

Doing it year 1 with Leach to the point that some people are doing it (after they openly admit they don’t like his politics) when he inherited a complete shit show of a locker room / culture problem is something completely different. We have had 3 losing seasons in 5 years. The idea that he took over some sort of well built program is a joke. We either have some of the dumbest fans in America or they have an agenda. There is no other option.

[Jarius]

It is ok to have legit concerns about Leach after year 1 both in recruiting and on the field. What is amazing is that they are both polar opposites, the football team on the field closed fairly strong and the recruiting class has fizzled towards the end. Sure we have done well in the portal, but I'm not counting on portal players yet - so far its a mixed bag for almost every program.

Bottom line is that we apparently are about to miss out on a DB to AU that we could have easily signed in December if we had offered, now I have no idea who we are going to sign, but it is a miss.

One of our OL signees has already left campus, we lost out on a key LB commit, same with a stud WR on signing day. Its simply been a tough finish. Any rational fan would say that regardless of their stance on Leach.

I have my concern about his offense working, I sure hope I'm wrong and we post a strong season because I think we are going to miss some of those war daddies up front that are graduating on the DL.

Our recruiting class looks exactly like every recruiting class we have had for a decade under the best regime in MSU history. This is with the worst in state class I have ever seen. Anyone concerned about recruiting (overall not one position group) is just not paying attention or lying to people on here (or has unrealistic expectations of MSU). Leach has 20 years of proof that his offense works. The SEC defense myth is tired. He will play 4 non conference weak defenses a year, Kentucky, Ole Miss, another East opponent, And Arkansas every single year. The idea that his offense can’t handle those type teams on a yearly basis is just not reality based on his history and the quality of players he is bringing in for us.

[HancockCountyDog]

The SEC defense myth is tired. He will play 4 non conference weak defenses a year, Kentucky, Ole Miss, another East opponent, And Arkansas every single year. The idea that his offense can?t handle those type teams on a yearly basis is just not reality based on his history and the quality of players he is bringing in for us.

We lost to all three SEC teams you mentioned and scored a combined 40 points against those three teams. So, at this point his teams have not handled those teams. Maybe next year, but not this year.

It?s weird watching people post excuses for Leach that simply don?t hold water.

[Walkerhill]

We lost to all three SEC teams you mentioned and scored a combined 40 points against those three teams. So, at this point his teams have not handled those teams. Maybe next year, but not this year.

It?s weird watching people post excuses for Leach that simply don?t hold water.

This has veered away from recruiting but I will weigh in.

He may stubbornly make things harder for himself sometimes, but his track record at 2 places that are very hard to win is very good. It takes 1-2 years to get the offense rolling. I personally think that is mostly because the wide receivers have a lot to learn, especially against a zone coverage. He also seems pretty unyielding in his approach so there is going to be culture shock or resistance to change and that is just the way it is. He could adapt his offense to run more or utilize 2 backs for protection but he is not going to.

But, he will get his guys and the team will navigate the learning curve and he will average 8+ wins year 3 and beyond. Book it. Same story as his previous stops.

[Bothrops]

Should we be worried about any of our guys? If auburn gets desperate, who knows what they do?

Probably

[Todd4State]

We lost to all three SEC teams you mentioned and scored a combined 40 points against those three teams. So, at this point his teams have not handled those teams. Maybe next year, but not this year.

It?s weird watching people post excuses for Leach that simply don?t hold water.

How would we have done against those teams in November/December?

And what "doesn't hold water"? Leach has a very clear track record.

This guy isn't Croom.

[Bdawg]

We lost to all three SEC teams you mentioned and scored a combined 40 points against those three teams. So, at this point his teams have not handled those teams. Maybe next year, but not this year.

It?s weird watching people post excuses for Leach that simply don?t hold water.

I don't know how many we dressed out for every game, but I think a lot games we were supposedly around the minimum, maybe a couple times well below. And we played anyway. This year is a throw away year because of Covid. We should be glad we got to even watch it this year and save our critiques for next year and beyond. Nothing normal about this season what so ever. What means the most to me this year, is Leach installed his system, created toughness, got rid of the p******,and the kids played hard and showed improvement. I can live with that until next year.

[Jarius]

We lost to all three SEC teams you mentioned and scored a combined 40 points against those three teams. So, at this point his teams have not handled those teams. Maybe next year, but not this year.

It?s weird watching people post excuses for Leach that simply don?t hold water.

His offense looked like shit in year one here, just like it looked like shit everywhere else. Talking about his offense not scoring points on those teams year one as if he hasn’t scored a shit ton on those level defenses throughout his career is willful ignorance. Did you just do a memory eraser on everything he did prior to last year? Did you not pop in some tape of his Washington State and Texas tech year one to let you see that this past year wasn’t some anomaly that should scare us to death? Just saying “you are making excuses for Leach” after 1 freaking year is either lazy or agenda driven. Period.

[HancockCountyDog]

His offense looked like shit in year one here, just like it looked like shit everywhere else. Talking about his offense not scoring points on those teams year one as if he hasn?t scored a shit ton on those level defenses throughout his career is willful ignorance. Did you just do a memory eraser on everything he did prior to last year? Did you not pop in some tape of his Washington State and Texas tech year one to let you see that this past year wasn?t some anomaly that should scare us to death? Just saying ?you are making excuses for Leach? after 1 freaking year is either lazy or agenda driven. Period.

I have no doubts that Leach can light up mediocre defenses. I need to see him light up trams with above average defenses. At times this year he didn?t do that.

It?s not lazy or agenda driven to have concerns after year 1 when the offense did struggle and the defense really carried the team. It appears you won?t acknowledge that point so we are at the agree to disagree stage.

Let?s turn the discussion back to recruiting.

[FISHDAWG]

I have no doubts that Leach can light up mediocre defenses. I need to see him light up trams with above average defenses. At times this year he didn?t do that.

It?s not lazy or agenda driven to have concerns after year 1 when the offense did struggle and the defense really carried the team. It appears you won?t acknowledge that point so we are at the agree to disagree stage.

Let?s turn the discussion back to recruiting.

I also was in this camp for most of the season but I was also encouraged about the improvement that was realized in the last half of the schedule ... This improvement needs to be parlayed into a legitimate bowl qualifying season next year with possibly an upset somewhere along the way. I was as down on Leach as anyone here but the improvement as the season went along is undeniable .... I'm not upset with our recruiting but I would also hope for the same improvement here as well

[HancockCountyDog]

I also was in this camp for most of the season but I was also encouraged about the improvement that was realized in the last half of the schedule ... This improvement needs to be parlayed into a legitimate bowl qualifying season next year with possibly an upset somewhere along the way. I was as down on Leach as anyone here but the improvement as the season went along is undeniable .... I'm not upset with our recruiting but I would also hope for the same improvement here as well

The improvement was undeniable. I was hoping it would continue in recruiting.

[Jarius]

I have no doubts that Leach can light up mediocre defenses. I need to see him light up trams with above average defenses. At times this year he didn?t do that.

It?s not lazy or agenda driven to have concerns after year 1 when the offense did struggle and the defense really carried the team. It appears you won?t acknowledge that point so we are at the agree to disagree stage.

Let?s turn the discussion back to recruiting.

Yes it is, if you have done any research or kept up with Leach for the past 20 years. He has a track record of this everywhere he goes. Pointing to that track record isn’t excuse making. It’s using common sense instead of Pearl clutching over willful ignorance. That isn’t to say he is going to beat up on Alabama and LSU and Auburn defenses every year, but the teams mentioned in previous posts aren’t going to shut down Leach’s offenses going forward. That type defensive talent never has and never will on any sort of consistent basis once Leach has been established at a program.

[BrunswickDawg]

The improvement was undeniable. I was hoping it would continue in recruiting.

I consider maintaining the 25-30 ranking range with a weak in-state crop as an improvement. Especially in light of the fact that all of the recruiting is being done virtually.

[Westdawg]

It is ok to have legit concerns about Leach after year 1 both in recruiting and on the field. What is amazing is that they are both polar opposites, the football team on the field closed fairly strong and the recruiting class has fizzled towards the end. Sure we have done well in the portal, but I'm not counting on portal players yet - so far its a mixed bag for almost every program.

Bottom line is that we apparently are about to miss out on a DB to AU that we could have easily signed in December if we had offered, now I have no idea who we are going to sign, but it is a miss.

One of our OL signees has already left campus, we lost out on a key LB commit, same with a stud WR on signing day. Its simply been a tough finish. Any rational fan would say that regardless of their stance on Leach.

I have my concern about his offense working, I sure hope I'm wrong and we post a strong season because I think we are going to miss some of those war daddies up front that are graduating on the DL.

What OL signee has already left campus????

[FISHDAWG]

What OL signee has already left campus????

Redshirt Freshman Brandon Cunningham has just entered the portal
Edit ... glossed over the word Signee, so I'm not sure who he's talking about

[HancockCountyDog]

What OL signee has already left campus????

Insiders have been posting that Cavazous has left campus, hopefully he comes back, but people that know a lot more than me have posted that.

[HancockCountyDog]

I consider maintaining the 25-30 ranking range with a weak in-state crop as an improvement. Especially in light of the fact that all of the recruiting is being done virtually.

The ranking is fine, I?m just talking about how we closed. We?ve lost a few guys and missed out on a few more, he?ll Rosebowl is even critical of the staff at the way things have gone on the recruiting front the last few months.

[Hambone]

Gabe Cavasous has left the team. Early enrollee. Home sick

[BrunswickDawg]

The ranking is fine, I?m just talking about how we closed. We?ve lost a few guys and missed out on a few more, he?ll Rosebowl is even critical of the staff at the way things have gone on the recruiting front the last few months.

Thing is, you just described every recruiting season. We are going to range somewhere between 18 and 35. We missed a few. We had Flipmas. Lost a few. Signed some surprises (good and bad). There is going to be 1, maybe 2 glaring positions of need that we struck out on. The only difference from one season to the next is when there happens to be a 5* Mississippi kid and we land him. That's it. Rinse, lather, repeat. It's been that way since about 2008. At least because of COVID none of our coaches could fall asleep on a recruits couch.

[StarkVegasSteve]

FWIW to me it sounds like our best hope to get Cavazos back is just stay on him and hope he rejoins the team June 1 when all the other freshman show up. If he's worth it to you then you wait it out, but if he's not you need to get into the portal right after Spring Ball and see what's out there. We really need to hit on all the OL's we have coming in

[maroonmania]

How would we have done against those teams in November/December?

And what "doesn't hold water"? Leach has a very clear track record.

This guy isn't Croom.

The first half to first two-thirds of this football season was nothing more than a glorified spring session. I say that because Leach had to do a lot of things in Fall camp and during the season that would have normally been taken care of in the first Spring. I think anyone basing what Leach will ultimately do at MSU by this past season's results are very shortsighted. Leach installed a totally new offense, that is based on precision and repetition, and had to go out and do it without any real preparation with the team. And he had to do that at a school who has no history much of passing offense success. And when everything was said and done, was left with a true FR QB running the show with all true FR RBs and a bunch of young WRs. This is all on top of the fact that historically Leach has struggled his first year at a new school. Folks should really hold off any judgements, good or bad, until we see what we get this Fall.

And I will just add on the recruiting front, that if we had signed the DB that we are now looking at trying to sign that Auburn is also on from Magee back in December, then the board would have melted down talking about what a reach it was. And I say that based on the reaction we got here when we went ahead and signed Hampton from Amory.

[Bothrops]

FWIW to me it sounds like our best hope to get Cavazos back is just stay on him and hope he rejoins the team June 1 when all the other freshman show up. If he's worth it to you then you wait it out, but if he's not you need to get into the portal right after Spring Ball and see what's out there. We really need to hit on all the OL's we have coming in

I just have to question his motivation level if he does come back. I see him washing out before the season begins, and if he sticks he may not see the field for a long time, if ever. If you don't love it, you won't make it.

[Dawgfan77]

FWIW to me it sounds like our best hope to get Cavazos back is just stay on him and hope he rejoins the team June 1 when all the other freshman show up. If he's worth it to you then you wait it out, but if he's not you need to get into the portal right after Spring Ball and see what's out there. We really need to hit on all the OL's we have coming in
When you can't handle off season workouts in January after two weeks. What are you going to do during summer workouts and fall camp? Good luck to the kid but he won't be back

[FISHDAWG]

FWIW to me it sounds like our best hope to get Cavazos back is just stay on him and hope he rejoins the team June 1 when all the other freshman show up. If he's worth it to you then you wait it out, but if he's not you need to get into the portal right after Spring Ball and see what's out there. We really need to hit on all the OL's we have coming in

are we allowed to use that schollie on someone else ? ... If so then move past him, If not then recruit the kid again ... A lot of times we as fallible human beings don't always get things right the first time but if he was a good enough talent to pursue the first time around then he should at least be worth the effort to bring back

[Hambone]

Pretty sure that scholly cannot be reused. Much like a player that you sign that doesn’t qualify. You have to eat that scholarship.

[Bass Chaser]

When you can't handle off season workouts in January after two weeks. What are you going to do during summer workouts and fall camp? Good luck to the kid but he won't be back

I don't think he did any workouts.

[Rayburn8]

I wonder if all these people were saying the same thing when Jonathan Banks was planning on leaving after the first week due to homesickness.

He?s homesick, it happens to most people, some worst then others. He?s supposed to be in HS still and the adjustment is even bigger with every class on Zoom.

[Dawgfan77]

I don't think he did any workouts.

They been in the weight room since they returned to campus after the holiday. Want proof. Scroll through the football Twitter feed

[DEDawg]

Ty Cooper signed. Good get

https://247sports.com/player/ty-cooper-46094724/

[Bothrops]

Ty Cooper signed. Good get

https://247sports.com/player/ty-cooper-46094724/

Probably the most underrated guy in the class.

[HancockCountyDog]

Ty Cooper signed. Good get

https://247sports.com/player/ty-cooper-46094724/

Very good get - glad to have him on board.

[Bass Chaser]

They been in the weight room since they returned to campus after the holiday. Want proof. Scroll through the football Twitter feed

Thanks, I don't need proof. I thought I read he hadn't done any workouts.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

He couldn?t handle the big city lights of Starkville?

[CaptainObvious]

I wonder if all these people were saying the same thing when Jonathan Banks was planning on leaving after the first week due to homesickness.

He?s homesick, it happens to most people, some worst then others. He?s supposed to be in HS still and the adjustment is even bigger with every class on Zoom.

Wait. Johnthan Banks was from East Webster wasn?t he? If so, how would you get home sick for Mathiston when it is 18 miles down the road and you can put you feet under mommas table in 20 minutes?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Wait. Johnthan Banks was from East Webster wasn?t he? If so, how would you get home sick for Mathiston when it is 18 miles down the road and you can put you feet under mommas table in 20 minutes?

Banks went home they had to go to his house & get him.

[FISHDAWG]

Banks went home they had to go to his house & get him.

and that worked out pretty good for us ... I say we go get Gabe

[Johnson85]

I wonder if all these people were saying the same thing when Jonathan Banks was planning on leaving after the first week due to homesickness.

He?s homesick, it happens to most people, some worst then others. He?s supposed to be in HS still and the adjustment is even bigger with every class on Zoom.

Probably a little harder being homesick watching your friends live it up their senior year while you are pretty much all football all the time. Might get easier for him if they can get him into the fall when his friends will either be in classes themselves somewhere or doing entry level work.

[Johnson85]

Wait. Johnthan Banks was from East Webster wasn?t he? If so, how would you get home sick for Mathiston when it is 18 miles down the road and you can put you feet under mommas table in 20 minutes?

I was always amazed at people being homesick and leaving starkville every chance they got to go spend the weekend in whatever crappy town they were from, but people are just wired differently. I knew of a few girls my freshman year that more or less abandoned their dorm room to live at home in Starkville. I think most of them ended up more or less integrating themselves into school, but not sure what they would have done if they lived 40 minutes away. I assume one or more of them would have ended up going home and leaving school and one or more would have ended up sucking it up through the homesickness and eventually loving it. But since they were right there, they to different extents had basically hybrid freshman year experiences, sort of living like they were at home, and sort of getting the college freshman experience.

[Fred Garvin]

I was always amazed at people being homesick and leaving starkville every chance they got to go spend the weekend in whatever crappy town they were from, but people are just wired differently. I knew of a few girls my freshman year that more or less abandoned their dorm room to live at home in Starkville. I think most of them ended up more or less integrating themselves into school, but not sure what they would have done if they lived 40 minutes away. I assume one or more of them would have ended up going home and leaving school and one or more would have ended up sucking it up through the homesickness and eventually loving it. But since they were right there, they to different extents had basically hybrid freshman year experiences, sort of living like they were at home, and sort of getting the college freshman experience.

It could very well be Momma having more trouble with the separation than the kid. There was a mother from my kids school who travelled 3.5 hours every weekend to go wash her sons clothes while he was at college.

[Hambone]

I’ll help Daniel Greeks mom do his laundry

[Cooterpoot]

I wonder if all these people were saying the same thing when Jonathan Banks was planning on leaving after the first week due to homesickness.

He?s homesick, it happens to most people, some worst then others. He?s supposed to be in HS still and the adjustment is even bigger with every class on Zoom.

Gabe isn't likely coming back.

[Westdawg]

Gabe isn't likely coming back.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but from what I can gather - he's still taking some online classes through MSU. I was told that coaches believe he's going to come back.

I hope Gabe the best, regardless of his decision

[Cooterpoot]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but from what I can gather - he's still taking some online classes through MSU. I was told that coaches believe he's going to come back.

I hope Gabe the best, regardless of his decision

80% not coming back. Things can change, but that's where it's at right now.

[Jarius]

80% not coming back. Things can change, but that's where it's at right now.

I feel like most of the kids that go home and come back do it fairly quickly. They realize they made a mistake and want to come back once they have had time to cool off. This kid has been gone for a couple of weeks and still isn’t back. It will be a pleasant surprise if he changes course but I’m like you and not expecting it. Our DB coach has caught the brunt of the wrath of the fans but the OL coach better hit on these projects. That is the most important part of our offense and we were not good up front last year.

[bulldawg28]

I feel like most of the kids that go home and come back do it fairly quickly. They realize they made a mistake and want to come back once they have had time to cool off. This kid has been gone for a couple of weeks and still isn’t back. It will be a pleasant surprise if he changes course but I’m like you and not expecting it. Our DB coach has caught the brunt of the wrath of the fans but the OL coach better hit on these projects. That is the most important part of our offense and we were not good up front last year.

The OL wasn't bad. It was the Qb play that took so long to settle and get rid of the ball along with decision making.

[KOdawg1]

The OL wasn't bad. It was the Qb play that took so long to settle and get rid of the ball along with decision making.

Um what? The OL was terrible. They got better as the season went on, but they were consistently getting beat by 3 down DL. If there are only 3 rushing, then you should be able to double team two of them. Not making excuses for KJ and Will bc they needed to get the ball out quicker but when 3 players whoop 5, it's hard to do that.

[Dawgfan77]

If a kid can't take the off season workouts he won't make it during summer and fall camp. He won't be back. It hurts us this cycle cause we can't replace that ship until December

[bulldawg28]

Um what? The OL was terrible. They got better as the season went on, but they were consistently getting beat by 3 down DL. If there are only 3 rushing, then you should be able to double team two of them. Not making excuses for KJ and Will bc they needed to get the ball out quicker but when 3 players whoop 5, it's hard to do that.

The linemen's play got better the moment the Qbs did. Ironic huh?

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

The linemen's play got better the moment the Qbs did. Ironic huh?

I guess it's just a coincidence that the lineman got better because they swapped them around and did different combos until they found the 5 that worked together best.

[bulldawg28]

I guess it's just a coincidence that the lineman got better because they swapped them around and did different combos until they found the 5 that worked together best.

Playing the best 5 will always make a difference.

[KOdawg1]

The linemen's play got better the moment the Qbs did. Ironic huh?

They absolutely go hand in hand. I don't deny that. But to say "the OL wasn't bad" is just incorrect.

[Cooterpoot]

The OL wasn't bad. It was the Qb play that took so long to settle and get rid of the ball along with decision making.

OL play was bad all year long. Especially Center and RT.

[bulldawg28]

OL play was bad all year long. Especially Center and RT.

Nope

[DEDawg]

Nope

Are you blind?

[Cooterpoot]

Nope
You can say it to yourself all you want. Won't change the fact OL got whipped all year. And we didn't sign a single OL to come in and help much either.

[Jarius]

The OL played well against Georgia, LSU, and Missouri. They played pretty poorly every other game, but the second half of the year was markedly better than the first. It was still bad, just not as horrible. The Auburn game looked a lot like the shitty part of the year. We gave up a ton of sacks against Tulsa as well.

[HoopsDawg]

The OL played well against Georgia, LSU, and Missouri. They played pretty poorly every other game, but the second half of the year was markedly better than the first. It was still bad, just not as horrible. The Auburn game looked a lot like the shitty part of the year. We gave up a ton of sacks against Tulsa as well.

OL didn't play well vs LSU. KJ got killed that game.

[Jarius]

OL didn't play well vs LSU. KJ got killed that game.

You don’t throw for 623 yards with bad OL play, bud. He got the shit blitzed out of him so yea he got hit.

[thf24]

You don’t throw for 623 yards with bad OL play, bud. He got the shit blitzed out of him so yea he got hit.

So if the OL indeed played "well" against LSU, how do you explain them then going to shit for most of the rest of the season? It makes no sense that personnel new and poorly suited to this offense would have a good opening game against an aggressive, blitzing front, then regress dramatically when faced with only blocking three down linemen.

No, the OL was pretty bad game 1. Didn't matter given LSU's stubbornly persistent 0 man coverage and KJ's willingness to sling it combined with more than a little luck. That set of circumstances then obviously changed.

[Jarius]

So if the OL indeed played "well" against LSU, how do you explain them then going to shit for most of the rest of the season? It makes no sense that personnel new and poorly suited to this offense would have a good opening game against an aggressive, blitzing front, then regress dramatically when faced with only blocking three down linemen.

No, the OL was pretty bad game 1. Didn't matter given LSU's stubbornly persistent 0 man coverage and KJ's willingness to sling it combined with more than a little luck. That set of circumstances then obviously changed.

The same reason our receivers played well game 1 and sucked ass for most of the year after that. You don’t have to protect very long in this offense when the defense is playing man and blitzing a lot like LSU was. They made it extremely easy. To say the OL didn’t play well in game one is untrue to put it nicely.

[thf24]

The same reason our receivers played well game 1 and sucked ass for most of the year after that. You don’t have to protect very long in this offense when the defense is playing man and blitzing a lot like LSU was. They made it extremely easy. To say the OL didn’t play well in game one is untrue to put it nicely.

That's fair, except not having to "protect very long" doesn't mean they played well. LSU's foolish choice of scheme and poor execution allowed our OL to be effective in hindsight without playing well. If you go back and watch just the OL you'll see the same fundamental issues (getting torched around the edge, 1-2 OL never touching anyone on many plays, etc.) that plagued us for most of the season. Go back and find that game thread and you'll see numerous mentions of how worrisome the OL was despite the crazy offensive performance. Those problems just didn't manifest in the result yet given the way LSU chose to cover and the fact they hadn't been exposed on film.

[msstate7]

We gave up 3.09 sacks/game. Vs LSU we gave up 5.

[Todd4State]

That's fair, hexcept not having to "protect very long" doesn't mean they played well. LSU's foolish choice of scheme and poor execution allowed our OL to be effective in hindsight without playing well. If you go back and watch just the OL you'll see the same fundamental issues (getting torched around the edge, 1-2 OL never touching anyone on many plays, etc.) that plagued us for most of the season. Go back and find that game thread and you'll see numerous mentions of how worrisome the OL was despite the crazy offensive performance. Those problems just didn't manifest in the result yet given the way LSU chose to cover and the fact they hadn't been exposed on film.

LSU was just bad. They were lit up several times last year. It wasn't just MSU.

[Ari Gold]

The OL didn’t play for the obvious and main reason because the system was entirely different..
Let’s see how they are with a season and a spring under their belts..
and a QB and RBs who all aren’t true freshman...

[FISHDAWG]

The OL didn?t play for the obvious and main reason because the system was entirely different..
Let?s see how they are with a season and a spring under their belts..
and a QB and RBs who all aren?t true freshman...

tried to rep this ... I have believed all along that while sometimes maybe the play was bad that doesn't mean the talent was bad ... and as a left side offensive tackle I can say with certainty that run blocking was always easier. The problem is all it takes is for one guy to miss a zone block or get beat and then the entire line takes the blame

[Cooterpoot]

The OL didn?t play for the obvious and main reason because the system was entirely different..
Let?s see how they are with a season and a spring under their belts..
and a QB and RBs who all aren?t true freshman...

And we lacked guys with quick feet to pass protect. It's not simply the new system. That's why we just signed so many. We might be about to sign another Juco.

[Jarius]

We gave up 3.09 sacks/game. Vs LSU we gave up 5.

Now do how many yards/game we averaged vs how many yards we had against LSU. Then do how many ppg we averaged vs how many points we scored vs LSU.

[msbulldog]

And we lacked guys with quick feet to pass protect. It's not simply the new system. That's why we just signed so many. We might be about to sign another Juco.

Leach tries to sign 5 OL every year.

[bulldawg28]

Who is the transfer we're about to get from D II?

[Cooterpoot]

Leach tries to sign 5 OL every year.

Possibly 3 jucos tells you what you need to know. They got extra time, but we need guys to play. That OL was trash. Center got killled all year and so did RT. LT had struggles all year too. The two G were the best of the bunch and they gone. I will say, we were young at the trouble spots, and Cross will be good. Have my doubts about C and RT.
I think Dolla can handle a G spot. Not sold on anybody on our roster to handle RT.

[Cooterpoot]

Who is the transfer we're about to get from D II?

DB depth.

[bulldawg28]

DB depth.

Is he a 1 year guy?

[sscjr1]

Is he a 1 year guy?

Yes

[maroonmania]

Who is the transfer we're about to get from D II?

NSF my friend, we just lost him to South Carolina. Anyone want to guess on who the next DB will be that turns our offer down? We've got quite the list going at the moment.

[KOdawg1]

NSF my friend, we just lost him to South Carolina. Anyone want to guess on who the next DB will be that turns our offer down? We've got quite the list going at the moment.

It's going to be very hard to convince transfers with 1-2 years of eligibility left to come here and play behind Forbes and Emerson. Granted, all we need is one, but it's a tough sell.

[No BS Dawg]

It's going to be very hard to convince transfers with 1-2 years of eligibility left to come here and play behind Forbes and Emerson. Granted, all we need is one, but it's a tough sell.

^^This^^

[maroonmania]

It's going to be very hard to convince transfers with 1-2 years of eligibility left to come here and play behind Forbes and Emerson. Granted, all we need is one, but it's a tough sell.

Yea, if you are determined to have a starting CB spot. But we start 5 DBs, not a lot of folk do that. And we really have no SEC caliber corners behind those 2 guys. Even within games you need more than 2 SEC quality CBs. We are an injury to one of those guys away from being in a bad way. And we also have available spots at 3 Safety positions if we can get someone that can come in ready to play. I mean we have bodies at safety but no real difference makers.

[HoopsDawg]

Yea, if you are determined to have a starting CB spot. But we start 5 DBs, not a lot of folk do that. And we really have no SEC caliber corners behind those 2 guys. Even within games you need more than 2 SEC quality CBs. We are an injury to one of those guys away from being in a bad way. And we also have available spots at 3 Safety positions if we can get someone that can come in ready to play. I mean we have bodies at safety but no real difference makers.

Exactly. Probably not a better place for a DB prospect in the entire SEC. Maybe Vandy...

[Hambone]

https://twitter.com/williamhardrick/status/1362582102768779267?s=21

[Cooterpoot]

What a mess. Worst HS DB class I can remember. If we miss out on the big 22 targets, our defense is going to become OM like in the future. Big year for our coaches to prove they can recruit at the necessary level. Lose battles again and it could be bad.

[bulldawg28]

https://twitter.com/williamhardrick/status/1362582102768779267?s=21

This kid can play.

[Cooterpoot]

This kid can play.

That kid had no P5 offers and was taking a blue shirt from Arkansas State. He couldn't even sign with them this class. But we're taking him. He hasn't even played DB much at all. This is laughable at best.
That's now 2 corners with almost no DB experience in HS.

[bulldawg28]

That kid had no P5 offers and was taking a blue shirt from Arkansas State. He couldn't even sign with them this class. But we're taking him. He hasn't even played DB much at all. This is laughable at best.
That's now 2 corners with almost no DB experience in HS.

He's an all state player for 2 positions in 6A Alabama that's legit. It's obviously something else going on.

[KOdawg1]

Yawn.

Like I said when it happened, we should've never dropped Toles

[ZedFedder]

Yawn.

Like I said when it happened, we should've never dropped Toles

I don’t think Toles is an SEC caliber CB, but he obviously would have been better than this.

[Hambone]

I’m not questioning anyone’s assessment, BUT how many of you “yawned” when Craft was announced as our starting safety?

Maybe our staff sees something that obviously no one else sees.

That’s my hope, at least.

[KOdawg1]

I’m not questioning anyone’s assessment, BUT how many of you “yawned” when Craft was announced as our starting safety?
I did, and he ended up not being very good. He played bc of injuries and the guys in front of him were just that bad. Props to him for winning the job, but he's a walk on for a reason.

[Hambone]

KO I know you are hard on him, but you do realize he was 5th overall on this team for total tackles? Also, there was one game he didn’t play.

That is not somewhere a typical walk-on would ever be listed on a division 1 football team.

[thf24]

I don’t think Toles is an SEC caliber CB, but he obviously would have been better than this.

Would he, necessarily, though? We have several guys, including at corner, who were originally signed to be warm bodies without much expectation 2-3 seasons ago, and still couldn't get on the field last year despite severe lack of depth. I don't think it's the worst thing for our staff to gamble and save a scholarship for someone they think can play next year or who becomes available late instead of signing someone they don't this year just because it's a position of need.

[Ari Gold]

There wasn’t a freshman we were on that would come in and be a factor in 2021. And that includes MJ .. he would have added depth next year. MJ might turn out to be very good but he would have been limited help next.. not just my opinion was told personally to me by a Coach on the staff

Green is a dude.. including him we have 3 guys that are legit. Out of Frudge , Jimison, Reed , Sanders , Threatt, and Richardson all we need is a couple of guys to give us 10-15 snaps per game ..
with the pick up of Green and Baring any injuries to Emerson and Forbes that’s all we really need with them

So whoever we add at CB that can give us a few quality snaps Is a plus.

And with Richardson , told by the same coach, he is extremely athletic , has a big upside, he is just very raw but if and when that light come so. He will be a player..

90% of this “panic” withnour Fan base is butt hurt ober MJ doing is how he did.. And yes losing MJ hurt , hurt more so in 2022 and beyond but if we close a few SEC caliber DB this recruiting cycle and we are on a lot of them , and maybe Emerson decides to come back for his SR season we are in really good shape at CB for 2022 as well

And side note with MJ , it could have be a headache we didn’t want to deal with anyway.. again not my opinion

[KOdawg1]

90% of this “panic” withnour Fan base is butt hurt ober MJ doing is how he did.. And yes losing MJ hurt , hurt more so in 2022 and beyond but if we close a few SEC caliber DB this recruiting cycle and we are on a lot of them , and maybe Emerson decides to come back for his SR season we are in really good shape at CB for 2022 as

1. I wouldn't call it "panic." I'd call it concern.

2. My concern has nothing to do with MJ. It's the fact that we've reached twice now on players who no one wanted. Arkansas State didn't even give this kid a scholarship. Green was a good get but besides him, DB recruiting has been a big, fat turd burger. I acknowledge that this staff has done a good job this year at every position besides DB. That's going to have to change going forward.

[Cooterpoot]

There wasn?t a freshman we were on that would come in and be a factor in 2021. And that includes MJ .. he would have added depth next year. MJ might turn out to be very good but he would have been limited help next.. not just my opinion was told personally to me by a Coach on the staff

Green is a dude.. including him we have 3 guys that are legit. Out of Frudge , Jimison, Reed , Sanders , Threatt, and Richardson all we need is a couple of guys to give us 10-15 snaps per game ..
with the pick up of Green and Baring any injuries to Emerson and Forbes that?s all we really need with them

So whoever we add at CB that can give us a few quality snaps Is a plus.

And with Richardson , told by the same coach, he is extremely athletic , has a big upside, he is just very raw but if and when that light come so. He will be a player..

90% of this ?panic? withnour Fan base is butt hurt ober MJ doing is how he did.. And yes losing MJ hurt , hurt more so in 2022 and beyond but if we close a few SEC caliber DB this recruiting cycle and we are on a lot of them , and maybe Emerson decides to come back for his SR season we are in really good shape at CB for 2022 as well

And side note with MJ , it could have be a headache we didn?t want to deal with anyway.. again not my opinion

The life-blood of your program is HS recruits. Can't miss at an entire group. That's the concern. It will catch up to you. Then you might load up n Juco talent for a year or two like Mullen, but that bubble eventually will bust. Especially if you can't get quality transfers (CBs).

[Hot Rock]

With no camps to evaluate talent, we may find a few diamonds in the rough that you usually dont find. This kid is 6 1 and 165lbs. Thats all I know about him. No 40 time, no track times? Anyone have any links to some info? This years class is more unknown than any in a long time for me.

[Cooterpoot]

We're going to get our share of QBs and WRs. We're going to sign a lot of OL, so some should pan out. The concern is on defense. Even with offense ruling these days, you still have to be able to play some defense unless you're Bama and sign the greatest class in history during a pandemic with no camps.

[Tripp McNeely]

There wasn’t a freshman we were on that would come in and be a factor in 2021. And that includes MJ .. he would have added depth next year. MJ might turn out to be very good but he would have been limited help next.. not just my opinion was told personally to me by a Coach on the staff

Green is a dude.. including him we have 3 guys that are legit. Out of Frudge , Jimison, Reed , Sanders , Threatt, and Richardson all we need is a couple of guys to give us 10-15 snaps per game ..
with the pick up of Green and Baring any injuries to Emerson and Forbes that’s all we really need with them

So whoever we add at CB that can give us a few quality snaps Is a plus.

And with Richardson , told by the same coach, he is extremely athletic , has a big upside, he is just very raw but if and when that light come so. He will be a player..

90% of this “panic” withnour Fan base is butt hurt ober MJ doing is how he did.. And yes losing MJ hurt , hurt more so in 2022 and beyond but if we close a few SEC caliber DB this recruiting cycle and we are on a lot of them , and maybe Emerson decides to come back for his SR season we are in really good shape at CB for 2022 as well

And side note with MJ , it could have be a headache we didn’t want to deal with anyway.. again not my opinion

This^^^^*

We have 5 good freshman DBs coming back next year with loads of potential!! ...and that is BEFORE any 2021 signees!

[BrunswickDawg]

The life-blood of your program is HS recruits. Can't miss at an entire group. That's the concern. It will catch up to you. Then you might load up n Juco talent for a year or two like Mullen, but that bubble eventually will bust. Especially if you can't get quality transfers (CBs).

You can miss A year. What you can't do is multiple years in the same group - which Mullen did consistently at WR and OL. You can tell from the 2022 offers so far that the staff recognizes they didn't fill the need in 2021 and are already working to be better in 2022. You never saw the Country Club adjust like that.

[HancockCountyDog]

Can we either remove the posts talking down the commit. I'm not thrilled with the overall recruiting, but I don't think we should be running down our commits so clearly.

[KOdawg1]

Can we either remove the posts talking down the commit. I'm not thrilled with the overall recruiting, but I don't think we should be running down our commits so clearly.
No one is running down the kid. I think it's great he gets the chance to play in the SEC. I don't blame the kid for taking the offer.

I blame the staff for extending the offer, especially since it's going to count towards 2022 and next year is a big year in-state.

[DEDawg]

90% of this ?panic? withnour Fan base is butt hurt ober MJ doing is how he did..

You?ve got to chill with this angle it?s embarrassing. Nobody cares about MJ anymore. It?s ok to be seriously concerned over the weak CB class this year, it doesn?t mean 90% of the fan base is panicking over losing one player.

[Ari Gold]

You?ve got to chill with this angle it?s embarrassing. Nobody cares about MJ anymore. It?s ok to be seriously concerned over the weak CB class this year, it doesn?t mean 90% of the fan base is panicking over losing one player.

2 future NFL DBs starting, trumps ONE bad DB recruiting class.

[KOdawg1]

2 future NFL DBs starting, trumps ONE bad DB recruiting class.
I don't see how they're mutually exclusive. I can say that it's great to have 2 NFL CBs while being concerned about the guys we're signing to replace them. It's not an either or situation.

[Ari Gold]

I don't see how they're mutually exclusive. I can say that it's great to have 2 NFL CBs while being concerned about the guys we're signing to replace them. It's not an either or situation.

Agree.. but everyone just chill and see what happens with the 2021 class with this position.
Banks was a 3 star , hell I think Slay was a 2.. let’s see if these guys we have here now can get better and be solid guys.
Again we are on some highly ranked DBs in this 2021 class.. maybe we can close a couple..

[Bothrops]

I don't see how they're mutually exclusive. I can say that it's great to have 2 NFL CBs while being concerned about the guys we're signing to replace them. It's not an either or situation.

Not much the coaches can do when the recruits just don't want to come.

[KOdawg1]

Not much the coaches can do when the recruits just don't want to come.

Unfortunately, that excuse won't keep you from getting fired. "Not much I could do today, the players just didn't play well."

I will agree that it's difficult to get transfer DBs to come when we already have 2 established starters. But that's why these guys get paid the big bucks. They need to (and hopefully will) figure it out.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Not the best recruiting year for McBath and to some extent Hughes.... others on staff had Plan B?s ready when Plan A didn?t work.... McBath didn?t seem to have Plan B,C or D.

[Offshore Dawg]

Not much the coaches can do when the recruits just don't want to come.

Don't we have enough cleat chasers to work on part of this.

[Todd4State]

Not the best recruiting year for McBath and to some extent Hughes.... others on staff had Plan B?s ready when Plan A didn?t work.... McBath didn?t seem to have Plan B,C or D.

Yeah but when you get to plan C or D then our fans are upset because "That guy isn't a SEC player and I don't like his film."

[OLJWales]

slight hijack on a slow day here. I was watching t.v. the other day and say a clip of this guy last named Williams OL for Texas was drafted in 2018 was the 1st TX OL drafted in 10 years at that time. Shows how tough this bidness is.

[Hambone]

Commit incoming

[Cooterpoot]

DB, Singleton

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Wrong thread