2021 MSU Football Recruiting Discussion Thread

[Tripp McNeely]

You've got a young OL core of

LT- Cross
LG- Pendley
C- Cole Smith
RG- Cunningham
RT Dolla Bill

That?s just beautiful!

[Bothrops]

How good is the Leach offense with:

QB - Robertson
WR- Knox
WR - Coleman
WR - Nabors
WR - K Johnson
WR - Tulu
WR - Jacobi Moore
RB - Marks

That would be Leach's dream offense for skill guys.

[ShotgunDawg]

That would be Leach's dream offense for skill guys.

It would be the most speed we've ever put on the field along with a QB that can drop bombs

Throw Da'Wain Lofton in there as well. He may be faster than of all of them

[HailStateSZN19]

It would be the most speed we've ever put on the field along with a QB that can drop bombs

Throw Da'Wain Lofton in there as well. He may be faster than of all of them

Holding out hope that we can sign all of those WR’s. Hopefully Nabers & Coleman both slip through the cracks from LSU. You get those 2 plus Knox, Johnson, and Moore/Lofton and you’ve completely revamped that position group and have turned it into a future big time strength.

Also, Lofton has game changing speed as well but he’s not as fast as Knox. Knox is one of the fastest recruits in the entire country & is THE fastest recruit in Texas. Ran a verified 4.42 at The Opening and ran a 10.40 100m as a sophomore in HS. Also throw in that he’s got a 36” vertical at 5’10” with his speed. Lofton probably ain’t too far behind him though. You add that kind of speed to the WR room & then mix in some outside WR alphas like Nabers/Coleman/Johnson/Moore and we’re well on our way to flipping the script on WR’s here.

[Todd4State]

I think by 2023 when these guys mature we could have a special season. Need to hit on wide receivers this year and get the front seven on defense guys next year while adding to the offensive line this year and next.

[ShotgunDawg]

With Rivals ranking coming in, Sawyer Robertson has been raised to a 94 composite QB.

Honestly, watching the film & seeing what his ranking is, if Summer camps & combines had happened this Summer, he may be even higher

Highest, best QB we've ever recruited

[StarkVegasSteve]

With Rivals ranking coming in, Sawyer Robertson has been raised to a 94 composite QB.

Honestly, watching the film & seeing what his ranking is, if Summer camps & combines had happened this Summer, he may be even higher

Highest, best QB we've ever recruited

And it's nice to have him in the boat early and helping recruit WRs like Knox and Nabors.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

With Rivals ranking coming in, Sawyer Robertson has been raised to a 94 composite QB.

Honestly, watching the film & seeing what his ranking is, if Summer camps & combines had happened this Summer, he may be even higher

Highest, best QB we've ever recruited

Think he could reach 5* status?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Think he could reach 5* status?

Naw

[HailStateSZN19]

Naw

I asked you a few weeks back and you said it was too early for a prediction but any more clarity now to where you could give a good guesstimate of what you think this WR class could be? We need some serious overhauling at that position & recruits have to see little resistance to PT & a whole lot of opportunity in this offense. I'm anxious to see how Spurrier Jr & Nichol wind up FINISHING this class with everyone we're getting interest from currently.

[ZedFedder]

MSU offered Ty Cooper from Louisville. It will only be a matter of time before he is in the boat.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I asked you a few weeks back and you said it was too early for a prediction but any more clarity now to where you could give a good guesstimate of what you think this WR class could be? We need some serious overhauling at that position & recruits have to see little resistance to PT & a whole lot of opportunity in this offense. I'm anxious to see how Spurrier Jr & Nichol wind up FINISHING this class with everyone we're getting interest from currently.

What I want

Buckhaulter
Knox
Nabers
Coleman
K. Johnson

What I expect

Buckhaulter
Knox
Lofton
Coleman
K. Johnson

[ShotgunDawg]

MSU offered Ty Cooper from Louisville. It will only be a matter of time before he is in the boat.

What do we have on him?

Good player, underrated, or meh just another guy?

[ShotgunDawg]

What I want

Buckhaulter
Knox
Nabers
Coleman
K. Johnson

What I expect

Buckhaulter
Knox
Lofton
Coleman
K. Johnson

I'll take both of those. Although getting Nabors & Knox in the same class would give us rocket fuel at WR

[HailStateSZN19]

What I want

Buckhaulter
Knox
Nabers
Coleman
K. Johnson

What I expect

Buckhaulter
Knox
Lofton
Coleman
K. Johnson

So basically what you want & what you expect, the only difference is Nabers being in the "want" cateogry with Lofton replacing him in the "expect". I'll take either of those WR classes right now.

I'd really like to get Nabers but with our luck, I'm sure LSU will wait til the last second and throw him an offer and him take it. If you get him with those other 4 guys, then you've got a grand slam WR class. If you have to settle for Lofton (who's a severely underrated prospect and an absolute burner) to go with those other 4, then you've hit a home run with this WR class.

[KOdawg1]

What I want

Buckhaulter
Knox
Nabers
Coleman
K. Johnson

What I expect

Buckhaulter
Knox
Lofton
Coleman
K. Johnson

I'd rather have Moore than Buckhaulter as a receiver, but that's just me. I think Brandon would be a hell of a Safety but I realize that he wants to be a receiver.

[KOdawg1]

What do we have on him?

Good player, underrated, or meh just another guy?
He's a decent player. Rated at as an 84 right now. An 86 would be fair

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I'd rather have Moore than Buckhaulter as a receiver, but that's just me. I think Brandon would be a hell of a Safety but I realize that he wants to be a receiver.

I don't really disagree but he's in the boat & I don't see that changing.

[HailStateSZN19]

I'd rather have Moore than Buckhaulter as a receiver, but that's just me. I think Brandon would be a hell of a Safety but I realize that he wants to be a receiver.

I kinda lean to agree with you too. I've watched Moore's tape several times and I really like him. He's a 6'3"-6'4" guy with legit mid-late 4.4 speed. And I like Buckhaulter, he's a big physical kid. But seems like in this scheme, you'd want as much speed as you can get and Moore seems to be a bit faster than Buckhaulter is. But honestly, I'd take either of them and be perfectly happy just from what we're used to recruiting and getting at WR.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

He's a decent player. Rated at as an 84 right now. An 86 would be fair

I think a 86-88 would be fair. It's all about how big he gets. If 250lbs he stays at the OLB rush spot. If he gets to 270 he's a hand in the dirt DE. Is he Gerri Green or is he Kobe Jones.

[KOdawg1]

I think a 86-88 would be fair. It's all about how big he gets. If 250lbs he stays at the OLB rush spot. If he gets to 270 he's a hand in the dirt DE. Is he Gerri Green or is he Kobe Jones.
I see him more as a rush-stopping DE than a pass rusher.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I see him more as a rush-stopping DE than a pass rusher.

That's fair.

[HailStateSZN19]

What I want

Buckhaulter
Knox
Nabers
Coleman
K. Johnson

What I expect

Buckhaulter
Knox
Lofton
Coleman
K. Johnson

Any known commitment dates or kinda time frames on any of these guys that aren't committed yet? I was hoping with Sawyer committed & recruiting for us, we'd get a couple more in the boat during summer time. But figured some might still want to wait to see the air raid live in action in Starkville.

[KOdawg1]

I kinda lean to agree with you too. I've watched Moore's tape several times and I really like him. He's a 6'3"-6'4" guy with legit mid-late 4.4 speed. And I like Buckhaulter, he's a big physical kid. But seems like in this scheme, you'd want as much speed as you can get and Moore seems to be a bit faster than Buckhaulter is. But honestly, I'd take either of them and be perfectly happy just from what we're used to recruiting and getting at WR.

Yep. Give me the guy with speed all day. Speed wins in this league. That's why I'm pumped about being in the game with Knox/Lofton/Nabers

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Any known commitment dates or kinda time frames on any of these guys that aren't committed yet? I was hoping with Sawyer committed & recruiting for us, we'd get a couple more in the boat during summer time. But figured some might still want to wait to see the air raid live in action in Starkville.

It's not summer time yet.

[HailStateSZN19]

It's not summer time yet.

I'm aware of that IYOK lol. That's why I'm asking about time frames & why I made the summer time comment. Because that's less than a month away.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I'm aware of that IYOK lol. That's why I'm asking about time frames & why I made the summer time comment. Because that's less than a month away.

I expect 2-3 WR commit by the end of the summer.

[ShotgunDawg]

I think a 86-88 would be fair. It's all about how big he gets. If 250lbs he stays at the OLB rush spot. If he gets to 270 he's a hand in the dirt DE. Is he Gerri Green or is he Kobe Jones.

I pulled up his video & he's rangy. My first thought was KJ Wright, but I have no idea what his speed is. Kind of a Derrick Hall type maybe.

Does he have the speed to play the hybrid 3-4 OLB/DE?

https://www.hudl.com/profile/11034221/Tyvoris-Cooper

[ShotgunDawg]

Yep. Give me the guy with speed all day. Speed wins in this league. That's why I'm pumped about being in the game with Knox/Lofton/Nabers

THIS

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I pulled up his video & he's rangy. My first thought was KJ Wright, but I have no idea what his speed is. Kind of a Derrick Hall type maybe.

Does he have the speed to play the hybrid 3-4 OLB/DE?

https://www.hudl.com/profile/11034221/Tyvoris-Cooper

The 3-3-5 standup OLB is basically a standup rush end. It just depends on how big he gets.

[ShotgunDawg]

The 3-3-5 standup OLB is basically a standup rush end. It just depends on how big he gets.

Either way, I'm a fan of these types of athletes. Due to their versatility, you usually get your scholly money's worth. Special teams, 3rd down, etc. They can usually help you

[HailStateSZN19]

Yep. Give me the guy with speed all day. Speed wins in this league. That's why I'm pumped about being in the game with Knox/Lofton/Nabers

So, breaking down who we're after & their speed:

Knox- legitimately one of the fastest recruits in the entire country regardless of position, clocked at a 4.42 forty as a sophomore & a 10.4 in the 100m also as a sophomore & a 21.03 in the 200m as a sophomore. (& he's got a 36" vertical). Kid is an absolute weapon.

Lofton- don't know any official listed times but turn on his tape, he's not quite as fast as Knox but he's somewhere in the 4.4's easily. He's got game-changing speed.

Nabers- don't know an official time on him either but he's got to be a high 4.4's or low 4.5's guy who can also elevate and win 50/50 balls. Love his game.

Coleman- probably the most raw but also has the highest ceiling and potential. He's uber athletic and has to be low-mid 4.5's which at his size is freakish. D1 football and basketball kid. Idk what his vertical is but it's got to be ridiculous.

Kanarius Johnson- he's turned into one of my favorite guys we're on. I think he's the 2nd best WR in the state. He's tall and rangy but also pretty physical and probably a high 4.4's or low 4.5's guy.

Jacobi Moore- 6'3"-6'4" kid who is really athletic and raw but has legit mid-late 4.4 speed and is quick twitched too for a taller kid.

Buckhaulter- big, tall physical kid. Probably a mid-late 4.5 if I had to guess. But he is really good at high pointing the ball. I'd love to sign him at Safety and take another WR.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

So, breaking down who we're after & their speed:

Knox- legitimately one of the fastest recruits in the entire country regardless of position, clocked at a 4.42 forty as a sophomore & a 10.4 in the 100m also as a sophomore & a 21.03 in the 200m as a sophomore. (& he's got a 36" vertical). Kid is an absolute weapon.

Lofton- don't know any official listed times but turn on his tape, he's not quite as fast as Knox but he's somewhere in the 4.4's easily. He's got game-changing speed.

Nabers- don't know an official time on him either but he's got to be a high 4.4's or low 4.5's guy who can also elevate and win 50/50 balls. Love his game.

Coleman- probably the most raw but also has the highest ceiling and potential. He's uber athletic and has to be low-mid 4.5's which at his size is freakish. D1 football and basketball kid. Idk what his vertical is but it's got to be ridiculous.

Kanarius Johnson- he's turned into one of my favorite guys we're on. I think he's the 2nd best WR in the state. He's tall and rangy but also pretty physical and probably a high 4.4's or low 4.5's guy.

Jacobi Moore- 6'3"-6'4" kid who is really athletic and raw but has legit mid-late 4.4 speed and is quick twitched too for a taller kid.

Buckhaulter- big, tall physical kid. Probably a mid-late 4.5 if I had to guess. But he is really good at high pointing the ball. I'd love to sign him at Safety and take another WR.

I doubt a lot of those guys run legit 4.4's.

[KOdawg1]

I got bored, so I decided to make a wish-list of 2021 recruits by position. Not saying I think we get all of them, but these are guys I think we have a realistic chance with.

QB:
Sawyer Robertson
Ty Keyes

RB:
Amariyon Howard
Carlois Walker

That is if it's a two RB class. If they only take one, I'd prefer Walker bc I've seen him in person and I think he's going to be a stud, but they both need to be evaluated more.

WR:
Deion Smith (long shot)
Theodore Knox
Malik Nabers
Keon Coleman
Kanarius Johnson
Jacobi Moore
Brandon Buckhaulter
De'wain Lofton

Get five of these, and I'll be happy.

OL:

Makylan Pounders
Rod Orr
Caleb Etienne (Juco)
Weston Franklin
Jakiah Leftwich
Reid Gavin (if we miss on a couple of those above)

DL:

Nick Dimitris
Ty Cooper
Jamond Gordon (Juco)
Byron Murphy
Devin Lee

Hopefully some new targets emerge


LB:
Navonteque Strong (Juco)
Timar Rogers
Prince Kollie
Chase Smith
Thomas Davis

Again, when summer hits and kids can start being evaluated again, I expect some new names to emerge.

CB:

Justin Walley
Cortez Eatmon (Juco)
Jadarrius Perkins (Juco)

S:

Kadarius Calloway
Corey Ellington

[Tripp McNeely]

I got bored, so I decided to make a wish-list of 2021 recruits by position. Not saying I think we get all of them, but these are guys I think we have a realistic chance with.

QB:
Sawyer Robertson
Ty Keyes

RB:
Amariyon Howard
Carlois Walker

That is if it's a two RB class. If they only take one, I'd prefer Walker bc I've seen him in person and I think he's going to be a stud, but they both need to be evaluated more.

WR:
Deion Smith (long shot)
Theodore Knox
Malik Nabers
Keon Coleman
Kanarius Johnson
Jacobi Moore
Brandon Buckhaulter
De'wain Lofton

Get five of these, and I'll be happy.

OL:

Makylan Pounders
Rod Orr
Caleb Etienne (Juco)
Weston Franklin
Jakiah Leftwich
Reid Gavin (if we miss on a couple of those above)

DL:

Nick Dimitris
Ty Cooper
Jamond Gordon (Juco)
Byron Murphy
Devin Lee

Hopefully some new targets emerge


LB:
Navonteque Strong (Juco)
Timar Rogers
Prince Kollie
Chase Smith
Thomas Davis

Again, when summer hits and kids can start being evaluated again, I expect some new names to emerge.

CB:

Justin Walley
Cortez Eatmon (Juco)
Jadarrius Perkins (Juco)

S:

Kadarius Calloway
Corey Ellington

Thumbtack this list and let?s keep it updated! Great post!

[ShotgunDawg]

Losing Deion Smith will mean that for 4 straight years the top recruit in MS will have left.

Pretty terrible

[Uncle Ruckus]

I got bored, so I decided to make a wish-list of 2021 recruits by position. Not saying I think we get all of them, but these are guys I think we have a realistic chance with.

QB:
Sawyer Robertson
Ty Keyes

RB:
Amariyon Howard
Carlois Walker

That is if it's a two RB class. If they only take one, I'd prefer Walker bc I've seen him in person and I think he's going to be a stud, but they both need to be evaluated more.

WR:
Deion Smith (long shot)
Theodore Knox
Malik Nabers
Keon Coleman
Kanarius Johnson
Jacobi Moore
Brandon Buckhaulter
De'wain Lofton

Get five of these, and I'll be happy.

OL:

Makylan Pounders
Rod Orr
Caleb Etienne (Juco)
Weston Franklin
Jakiah Leftwich
Reid Gavin (if we miss on a couple of those above)

DL:

Nick Dimitris
Ty Cooper
Jamond Gordon (Juco)
Byron Murphy
Devin Lee

Hopefully some new targets emerge


LB:
Navonteque Strong (Juco)
Timar Rogers
Prince Kollie
Chase Smith
Thomas Davis

Again, when summer hits and kids can start being evaluated again, I expect some new names to emerge.

CB:

Justin Walley
Cortez Eatmon (Juco)
Jadarrius Perkins (Juco)

S:

Kadarius Calloway
Corey Ellington

Walker is a good RB from the film I watched of NC during his sophomore year. I trust our coaches evals, but I was told he couldn?t catch a cold. They said he?d be a monster in Mullen?s MSU offense, but has a lot of work to do to fit what Leach does.

[bulldawg28]

Losing Deion Smith will mean that for 4 straight years the top recruit in MS will have left.

Pretty terrible

I doubt people are still taking this bait from you.

[msu15]

Losing Deion Smith will mean that for 4 straight years the top recruit in MS will have left.

Pretty terrible
Malik Heath was the top recruit in MS in 2018 by both the composite and 247 rankings. Charles Cross was the top recruit in MS for 2019 by 247.

[ShotgunDawg]

Malik Heath was the top recruit in MS in 2018 by both the composite and 247 rankings. Charles Cross was the top recruit in MS for 2019 by 247.

I stand corrected. Akers was the year before.

Akers
Heath
Dean - higher rated than Cross.
Jackson
Smith

So that 4 of 5 years. That's not good

Unless you think it's good. Do you think this is a good job by MSU? only Heath actually took a visit to MSU. Think about that

[ShotgunDawg]

I doubt people are still taking this bait from you.

What do you mean? What bait?

[Westdawg]

I pulled up his video & he's rangy. My first thought was KJ Wright, but I have no idea what his speed is. Kind of a Derrick Hall type maybe.

Does he have the speed to play the hybrid 3-4 OLB/DE?

https://www.hudl.com/profile/11034221/Tyvoris-Cooper

He's good. He's deceptively quick on his second and third step. He uses his length well. He's got good ability to use his hands and get off of blocks. My biggest issue with him is he plays "high". He naturally get high in his stance and it causes him to lose some quickness and agility in the backfield. But he's got a motor to chase down some of those plays.
Any negatives I saw can be corrected. If he can get rid of getting high, he can massively improve his leverage at the line and get that first step burst to get faster.

[Todd4State]

I stand corrected. Akers was the year before.

Akers
Heath
Dean - higher rated than Cross.
Jackson
Smith

So that 4 of 5 years. That's not good

Unless you think it's good. Do you think this is a good job by MSU? only Heath actually took a visit to MSU. Think about that

I'm curious to see if that changes under Leach. I think a lot of that was Dan's fault. He didn't recruit hard enough to get very many of the non-diamonds in the rough and even worse he didn't beat the big names enough. If he had beaten Alabama even once to go along with a 9 win regular season with an Egg Bowl win I think the blue-chip recruits would start to buy into the MSU brand a little more. Of course, we prided ourselves on developing diamonds in the rough and while I think that's a good thing I'm sure the bluebloods used that against us some- "You're not a diamond the rough. Come to Alabama, LSU, Georgia, or wherever and play with the other bluechips like you."

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I stand corrected. Akers was the year before.

Akers
Heath
Dean - higher rated than Cross.
Jackson
Smith

So that 4 of 5 years. That's not good

Unless you think it's good. Do you think this is a good job by MSU? only Heath actually took a visit to MSU. Think about that

You're isolating the #1 player. The last 4 classes we've signed 10 out of the 20 kids in the Top 5. No other school has more than 2. So why we may not have signed the #1 player instate the few years we've done really well with the Top 5.

[HailStateSZN19]

What's anyone's opinion on Howard? He's got a really low ranking. He committed to Joe's staff didn't he? Is he the typical underrated MS kid who is actually a baller, is he a good fit for this scheme, could we possibly find someone a little more talented than him or are we even actively recruiting many RB's? Just haven't seen a ton on RB recruiting. It'd be a sticky situation to drop a Starkville kid but is he talented enough to be the only RB we sign if we are just signing 1 or is this a 2 RB class?

[ShotgunDawg]

So why we may not have signed the #1 player instate the few years we've done really well with the Top 5.

So you think it's a good think we continue to miss on the top player?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

So you think it's a good think we continue to miss on the top player?

I think it's overblown if we're getting half of the top 5. Of course I'd love to get all the best players but that don't mean it's embarrassing if we don't get #1 if we're getting 2, 4, & 5. I don't expect you to agree & that's cool. You've been beating this #1 player drum for a while.

[Cooterpoot]

What's anyone's opinion on Howard? He's got a really low ranking. He committed to Joe's staff didn't he? Is he the typical underrated MS kid who is actually a baller, is he a good fit for this scheme, could we possibly find someone a little more talented than him or are we even actively recruiting many RB's? Just haven't seen a ton on RB recruiting. It'd be a sticky situation to drop a Starkville kid but is he talented enough to be the only RB we sign if we are just signing 1 or is this a 2 RB class?

Kid got almost no film. Need to see more. Power back.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Kid got almost no film. Need to see more. Power back.

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10954194/5eae45b55caa790fccb0d20e

[msbulldog]

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10954194/5eae45b55caa790fccb0d20e

Looks like he has good vision and can catch.

[BrunswickDawg]

So you think it's a good think we continue to miss on the top player?

It happens. The top player in every SEC state typically has their choice of whatever school they want to attend.
An example: 2021 will be the first time UGA has signed the top player in GA since 2015.

[StateDawg44]

It happens. The top player in every SEC state typically has their choice of whatever school they want to attend.
An example: 2021 will be the first time UGA has signed the top player in GA since 2015.

MS is special though... Don't you know it shouldn't happen to us? Surely these kids have pride in where they come from. They should be loyal.******

[Todd4State]

MS is special though... Don't you know it shouldn't happen to us? Surely these kids have pride in where they come from. They should be loyal.******

The reality is we're going to have to start beating people like Alabama, LSU, and Georgia some like I said for us to start pulling those players even more consistently than we are. When Jackie did that we started to pull players like Dontae Walker and Jerious Norwood.

That's why we pull top players in state in baseball. We've shown that we can beat top teams consistently and get to Omaha. I think a lot of players in Mississippi want to play for their state- but they also want to compete for championships too. Some still come to MSU anyway of course.

If Leach can beat Alabama 20% of the time we will start pulling the best players.

[Todd4State]

It happens. The top player in every SEC state typically has their choice of whatever school they want to attend.
An example: 2021 will be the first time UGA has signed the top player in GA since 2015.

That's interesting. I bet Georgia has a lot more competition for in state players compared to us though. Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, and South Carolina are relying a lot on Georgia talent I would imagine. And probably a little bit from Florida State and Florida too. Also, I think Georgia Tech hasn't been as much of a factor just because of the type of scheme that they ran under Paul Johnson and I'm sure that has greatly affected their recruiting across the board.

[Cooterpoot]

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10954194/5eae45b55caa790fccb0d20e

Doesn't look fast but can pound it. I don't see him as a feature back in the SEC.

[maroonmania]

The reality is we're going to have to start beating people like Alabama, LSU, and Georgia some like I said for us to start pulling those players even more consistently than we are. When Jackie did that we started to pull players like Dontae Walker and Jerious Norwood.

That's why we pull top players in state in baseball. We've shown that we can beat top teams consistently and get to Omaha. I think a lot of players in Mississippi want to play for their state- but they also want to compete for championships too. Some still come to MSU anyway of course.

If Leach can beat Alabama 20% of the time we will start pulling the best players.

You make a good point. In fact, I was trying to remember when the last time it was that we beat a team that finished the regular season with 9 or more wins? I really don't know.

[Turfdawg67]

It happens. The top player in every SEC state typically has their choice of whatever school they want to attend.
An example: 2021 will be the first time UGA has signed the top player in GA since 2015.

Damn! UGA should be embarrassed. ***

[Turfdawg67]

That's interesting. I bet Georgia has a lot more competition for in state players compared to us though. Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, and South Carolina are relying a lot on Georgia talent I would imagine. And probably a little bit from Florida State and Florida too. Also, I think Georgia Tech hasn't been as much of a factor just because of the type of scheme that they ran under Paul Johnson and I'm sure that has greatly affected their recruiting across the board.

But... GA has ~5x the population of MS too. You would think that UGA would covet the #1 player from GA, but hell, they're probably taking the #1 from some other state.

[BrunswickDawg]

That's interesting. I bet Georgia has a lot more competition for in state players compared to us though. Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, and South Carolina are relying a lot on Georgia talent I would imagine. And probably a little bit from Florida State and Florida too. Also, I think Georgia Tech hasn't been as much of a factor just because of the type of scheme that they ran under Paul Johnson and I'm sure that has greatly affected their recruiting across the board.

That has a bit to do with it.

Here is where it gets crazy and I think will start to cost UGA -
They signed only 3 of the Top 25 players in Georgia this year, and only 8 Georgia kids in this class. The majority of their roster is now from out of state.

[Turfdawg67]

You make a good point. In fact, I was trying to remember when the last time it was that we beat a team that finished the regular season with 9 or more wins? I really don't know.

Funny you picked 9. In 2014, we beat 3-4 teams that won 8 games.

[maroonmania]

Funny you picked 9. In 2014, we beat 3-4 teams that won 8 games.

Yea, I believe even Moorhead beat an 8-4 team. 9+ is a much more exclusive club. Heck, we've been 8-4 ourselves several times by just winning our 4 OOC games and going .500 in the league. I'm not sure Mullen ever beat a team that went 9-3 or better in a season. None come to mind at the moment.

[Todd4State]

Yea, I believe even Moorhead beat an 8-4 team. 9+ is a much more exclusive club. Heck, we've been 8-4 ourselves several times by just winning our 4 OOC games and going .500 in the league. I'm not sure Mullen ever beat a team that went 9-3 or better in a season. None come to mind at the moment.

I think Jackie beat some 10 win teams like 1996 Alabama, 1997 Auburn, and 2000 Florida if I'm not mistaken. 1998 Arkansas won 9 games I think.

[Todd4State]

That has a bit to do with it.

Here is where it gets crazy and I think will start to cost UGA -
They signed only 3 of the Top 25 players in Georgia this year, and only 8 Georgia kids in this class. The majority of their roster is now from out of state.

That's an odd strategy considering their local resources. To me, honestly that's not a very sustainable formula unless you are Alabama or maybe Notre Dame. Even Notre Dame is not close to what they used to be even though they're a pretty good team right now.

[Westdawg]

New offer to Canon Boone - 3 ⭐️ OT

https://www.hudl.com/profile/10227427

That is a well coached team. The OG playing next to him also looks good. And they have a one or two RBs that could play college ball at some level as well.
He has some really good footwork. Uses his hands and length very well. Gets to second level and deeper blocking really well. He's got a bit of a nasty streak in him. Watch the tape, he gets his pound of flesh at the ends of some plays. Plays through the whistle. And he is one nasty cutter!!! Really like this offer

[Todd4State]

New offer to Canon Boone - 3 ⭐️ OT

https://www.hudl.com/profile/10227427

That is a well coached team. The OG playing next to him also looks good. And they have a one or two RBs that could play college ball at some level as well.
He has some really good footwork. Uses his hands and length very well. Gets to second level and deeper blocking really well. He's got a bit of a nasty streak in him. Watch the tape, he gets his pound of flesh at the ends of some plays. Plays through the whistle. And he is one nasty cutter!!! Really like this offer

I would offer him just based on his name alone!

[KOdawg1]

Navonteque Strong, a MLB from MGCCC, announced that he's committing soon. Should be to the good guys.

[ZedFedder]

We are in the top 6 for Keon Coleman.

[KOdawg1]

We are in the top 6 for Keon Coleman.
Probably the team to beat as long as LSU stays away. Still early with him.

[ShotgunDawg]

Probably the team to beat as long as LSU stays away. Still early with him.

Boy, the FSU fans are arrogant on this one.

I trust our people when they say we are setting good.

https://247sports.com/college/florida-state/board/36/Contents/fsu-in-top-6-for-4star-wr-keon-coleman-147247598/

[KOdawg1]

Boy, the FSU fans are arrogant on this one.

I trust our people when they say we are setting good.

https://247sports.com/college/florida-state/board/36/Contents/fsu-in-top-6-for-4star-wr-keon-coleman-147247598/

It's gonna be a battle between us and them. But they're kinda like OM fans. They can't possibly comprehend why someone would want to go somewhere else other than their school, so every recruit remotely interested in them is headed their way. And if they go somewhere else, then they didn't want them.

[ShotgunDawg]

It's gonna be a battle between us and them. But they're kinda like OM fans. They can't possibly comprehend why someone would want to go somewhere else other than their school, so every recruit remotely interested in them is headed their way. And if they go somewhere else, then they didn't want them.

We seem to be on the opposite end of that as a fan base.

We could use some in-between

[msu15]

We seem to be on the opposite end of that as a fan base.

We could use some in-between

Man that helmet looks like shit.

[ShotgunDawg]

Man that helmet looks like shit.

As I can see from your avatar, you're a complete front runner.

Let me guess, you also cheer for Alabama, the Lakers, & either the Cowboys or Patriots?

[Todd4State]

Man that helmet looks like shit.

Ha!

[Homedawg]

I'm curious to see if that changes under Leach. I think a lot of that was Dan's fault. He didn't recruit hard enough to get very many of the non-diamonds in the rough and even worse he didn't beat the big names enough. If he had beaten Alabama even once to go along with a 9 win regular season with an Egg Bowl win I think the blue-chip recruits would start to buy into the MSU brand a little more. Of course, we prided ourselves on developing diamonds in the rough and while I think that's a good thing I'm sure the bluebloods used that against us some- "You're not a diamond the rough. Come to Alabama, LSU, Georgia, or wherever and play with the other bluechips like you."

If you think leach is going to recruit hard you're in for a rude awakening.

[Todd4State]

If you think leach is going to recruit hard you're in for a rude awakening.

He has recruited harder than Dan so far at least as a staff. I'm fine with Leach's effort so far.

[ShotgunDawg]

He has recruited harder than Dan so far at least as a staff. I'm fine with Leach's effort so far.

Leach's staff recruits pretty hard. I'm not sure if Leach has done anything to be honest other than Sawyer Robertson.

What's interesting though is that Leach did recruit better than the historical averages at his other stops.

As long as he keeps us near where we have been then we're going to be good. If he starts creeping us into the teens of recruiting, watch out

[Todd4State]

Dan's staff recruits pretty hard. I'm not sure if Leach has done anything to be honest other than Sawyer Robertson.

What's interesting though is that Leach did recruit better than the historical averages at his other stops.

As long as he keeps us near where we have been then we're going to be good. If he starts creeping us into the teens of recruiting, watch out

Ok LOL. Calloway, Ellington, has us in the mix for some four star out of state receivers. Dan would never have even tried to recruit those out of state guys.

[ShotgunDawg]

Ok LOL. Calloway, Ellington, has us in the mix for some four star out of state receivers. Dan would never have even tried to recruit those out of state guys.

Sorry, I meant Leach. My bad. Typo

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Leach doesn't do much recruiting at all. His staff led by Dave Emerick really get after it on the recruiting trail.

[ShotgunDawg]

Leach doesn't do much recruiting at all. His staff led by Dave Emerick really get after it on the recruiting trail.

And that seems fine.

With Tony Hughes, the retained recruiting staff, some real go getter position coaches, & Leach's offensive reputation, I think that's enough.

The truth is that Leach's offensive system sells itself. He's already got the best QB commitment we've ever had & he's getting more interest in quality WRs than we've ever had. What will our WR recruiting look like as he has success at MSU?

As for defensive & OL recruiting, how much of a difference was Leach going to make at those positions anyway? Not much & I'm sure he'll involve himself some.

If you really want to understand MSU football right now, you have to separate Leach's job description.

Leach = Sean Payton

Emerick = Mickey Loomis

We are almost set up like an NFL org with way talent acquisition relates to coaching.

The strength of that set-up is that the position coaches get to offer players & thus that ensures that they're going to coach their ass off because they have skin in the game & are coaching only players they wanted.

It's take an inordinate amount of non-micromanaging to allow that but Leach seems to be good with it.

[Westdawg]

New OL offer

Kimo Makaneole 3 ⭐️ OT

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/8122937/5de2e1622aa6880e3431a758

My goodness, this kid is strong, fast, mean, well coached, and big and lean for an OT. He just pounds on guys.

I'm LOVING the kind of players this staff is offering. I want this kid. You can tell that we are after a different type of player than in year's past, but dang, these past few OL offers have been solid finds

[Todd4State]

Leach doesn't do much recruiting at all. His staff led by Dave Emerick really get after it on the recruiting trail.

And to echo what Shotgun said- that's fine as long as the rest of the staff makes up for it. And that appears to be the case so far. I would have been fine if Dan had the same set up. However Hevesy, Gonzalez, Sallach, and maybe at times Knox were all liabilities. That's not OK.

[bulldawg28]

And to echo what Shotgun said- that's fine as long as the rest of the staff makes up for it. And that appears to be the case so far. I would have been fine if Dan had the same set up. However Hevesy, Gonzalez, Sallach, and maybe at times Knox were all liabilities. That's not OK.

The results were ok. The NFL drafts were the most ever suggests he knew what he was doing.

[Todd4State]

The results were ok. The NFL drafts were the most ever suggests he knew what he was doing.

That only reflects the players he actually got to come to MSU and not people he missed liked Sahdiiq Charles and AJ Brown.

[msu15]

The results were ok. The NFL drafts were the most ever suggests he knew what he was doing.

It's sad that your serious.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Reed Buys OT from JC JC just committed. Dont sleep on him. He will be a player for us. Listed at 6'5 290 but he is long and athletic. Was coached by the Morgans and Warren Central. Mean too. Perfect Leach OL. His OL's are always slept on. They are always nasty

[KOdawg1]

Reed Buys OT from JC JC just committed. Dont sleep on him. He will be a player for us. Listed at 6'5 290 but he is long and athletic. Was coached by the Morgans and Warren Central. Mean too. Perfect Leach OL. His OL's are always slept on. They are always nasty

Class of 2020. Late add

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Reed Buys OT from JC JC just committed. Dont sleep on him. He will be a player for us. Listed at 6'5 290 but he is long and athletic. Was coached by the Morgans and Warren Central. Mean too. Perfect Leach OL. His OL's are always slept on. They are always nasty

Yep he's a 2020 kid. Going to enroll this summer. 4 to play 3. Likely RS this season with 3 years available starting the 2021 season.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Yep he's a 2020 kid. Going to enroll this summer. 4 to play 3. Likely RS this season with 3 years available starting the 2021 season.

Not to take the thread off topic but with Reese gone you still think he is a RS? I think he is good enough to compete for depth

[msbulldog]

Reed Buys OT from JC JC just committed. Dont sleep on him. He will be a player for us. Listed at 6'5 290 but he is long and athletic. Was coached by the Morgans and Warren Central. Mean too. Perfect Leach OL. His OL's are always slept on. They are always nasty

Good kid, Great family!

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Not to take the thread off topic but with Reese gone you still think he is a RS? I think he is good enough to compete for depth

The plan is to RS. I don't see him coming this summer to do enough not to RS. If he does he's better than we anticipate.

[ZedFedder]

His brother was a walk-on at OM, correct?

[Todd4State]

I like picking up Buys! Seems like a guy that is a hard worker that can play center or guard for us. I'd rather get guys like this than guys from Alabama that are raw that don't really want to be here and then transfer out after a year.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I like picking up Buys! Seems like a guy that is a hard worker that can play center or guard for us. I'd rather get guys like this than guys from Alabama that are raw that don't really want to be here and then transfer out after a year.

That 2nd scenario happens rarely.

[Todd4State]

The plan is to RS. I don't see him coming this summer to do enough not to RS. If he does he's better than we anticipate.

Ben Beckwith 2.0. And that's a VERY good thing.


His brother was a walk-on at OM, correct?

Yes. But his sister went to MSU and was Miss Mississippi or something like that I read.

[Todd4State]

That 2nd scenario happens rarely.

Yeah- but it's still a mistake when it does.

[Todd4State]

Not to take the thread off topic but with Reese gone you still think he is a RS? I think he is good enough to compete for depth

C- Sharp and Cole Smith
G- Parker and Suggs or Jones, maybe Lashley, maybe Eiland
G- Eiland or Lashley with James Jackson, Pendley, Suggs or Jones backing them up too however it works out.
T- Cross or Lashley with Dolla Bill and Cunningham backing them up.
T- Lashley or Eiland with Dolla Bill and Cunningham backing up.

Our depth is young which is probably the case for the most part around the country. But we look to be in decent shape even though the exact spots are up in the air at this point.

[ShotgunDawg]

I like picking up Buys! Seems like a guy that is a hard worker that can play center or guard for us. I'd rather get guys like this than guys from Alabama that are raw that don't really want to be here and then transfer out after a year.

Feels like a Ben Beckwith type.

I'm all for adding the right culture guys right now in the trenches.

[Tripp McNeely]

C- Sharp and Cole Smith
G- Parker and Suggs or Jones, maybe Lashley, maybe Eiland
G- Eiland or Lashley with James Jackson, Pendley, Suggs or Jones backing them up too however it works out.
T- Cross or Lashley with Dolla Bill and Cunningham backing them up.
T- Lashley or Eiland with Dolla Bill and Cunningham backing up.

Our depth is young which is probably the case for the most part around the country. But we look to be in decent shape even though the exact spots are up in the air at this point.

Ehh, I think it?s more like (right to left):

OT: Eiland, Suggs
OG: Parker, Cunningham
OC: Sharp, Jackson
OG: Lashley, Pendly
OT: Cross, Dolla

...and I think Dolla moves to RT in 21 and creates the best 2 bookends in school history!

[maroonmania]

Leach doesn't do much recruiting at all. His staff led by Dave Emerick really get after it on the recruiting trail.

We all know Mullen never broke a sweat recruiting. Problem was, a lot of his staff were the same way and Dan didn't make them do any different. Now Moorhead was about the hardest working recruiter you will find as a HC.

[ZedFedder]

Isaiah Brevard released his top 7. Neither MSU or OM made the cut.

[Madisonmd]

Wants to go out of state

[HailStateSZN19]

What's the vibe with MJ Daniels? Is he a possible flip candidate? Boy getting him, Calloway, Ellington, Eatmon, and Walley would be adding a whole lot of talent & athleticism to the secondary.

[ShotgunDawg]

Isaiah Brevard released his top 7. Neither MSU or OM made the cut.

He's a nice player, but I'm just not sure his speed fits what Leach wants. When you sit down & watch video on the WRs we're recruiting hard, he doesn't have that same burst.

That's not to diminish his talent, I just really feel like Leach has guys like Knox, Nabors, Johnson, & Coleman higher on the board.

[KOdawg1]

What's the vibe with MJ Daniels? Is he a possible flip candidate? Boy getting him, Calloway, Ellington, Eatmon, and Walley would be adding a whole lot of talent & athleticism to the secondary.
He's a flip candidate

[ShotgunDawg]

He's a flip candidate

We can't even recruit our own players. Much less flip one

[Bothrops]

We can't even recruit our own players. Much less flip one

Lol kinda true!

[KOdawg1]

We can't even recruit our own players. Much less flip one

Chill out. You always overreact, spew doom and gloom, come back and convince yourself it's a good thing, sunshine pump, and then repeat the process.

You're the most bipolar message board poster in history.

[ShotgunDawg]

Looks like we're calling on one of our leans to bring some good news

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[KOdawg1]

Gotta be Strong or Cooper

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Looks like we're calling on one of our leans to bring some good news

1263203567940374528

Yep they called the kid & said Shotgun is raising hell on ED could you go ahead & commit to give him something else to talk about.

[fader2103]

We can't even recruit our own players. Much less flip one

Heaven forbid he goes out of state. You will have a meltdown on how MS should be more respectful to MS teams.

[ShotgunDawg]

Yep they called the kid & said Shotgun is raising hell on ED could you go ahead & commit to give him something else to talk about.

At least we cleared that up

[HailStateSZN19]

Anyone know who this commit is supposed to be? I never saw anything. They have second thoughts or something?

[msu15]

Anyone know who this commit is supposed to be? I never saw anything. They have second thoughts or something?

Got to be Strong or Cooper

[Todd4State]

Anyone know who this commit is supposed to be? I never saw anything. They have second thoughts or something?

No. And I think it may be an offensive lineman. Definitely could be Strong or Cooper but Mason Miller seemed excited.

[Hambone]

So did this commit ever announce or are we still waiting on him?

[KOdawg1]

So did this commit ever announce or are we still waiting on him?

Still waiting. We need him to hurry up bc this fanbase needs good news in the worst way

[Ari Gold]

Still waiting. We need him to hurry up bc this fanbase needs good news in the worst way

Mike Leach - HC
KJ Costello - QB
Staff recruiting better than anyone expected
Got rid of guy who our own players are calling soft..

All good news to me..

[ShotgunDawg]

Mike Leach - HC
KJ Costello - QB
Staff recruiting better than anyone expected
Got rid of guy who our own players are calling soft..

All good news to me..

Who do we replace Jones with?

The transaction isn't finished until we see who we get in exchange

[Cooterpoot]

Mike Leach - HC
KJ Costello - QB
Staff recruiting better than anyone expected
Got rid of guy who our own players are calling soft..

All good news to me..

This^^
When you're having to rehab a house, there's going to be some demolition. We'll be fine. OM will still suck. In a couple years, we'll all be glad.

[dawgday166]

Chill out. You always overreact, spew doom and gloom, come back and convince yourself it's a good thing, sunshine pump, and then repeat the process.

You're the most bipolar message board poster in history.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

[Todd4State]

Who do we replace Jones with?

The transaction isn't finished until we see who we get in exchange

Is Nigel Knott still in the portal? He may not start but he would be a guy that is an older guy that could provide some depth and experience. Definitely can provide depth at corner- probably could play safety.

[ShotgunDawg]

Is Nigel Knott still in the portal? He may not start but he would be a guy that is an older guy that could provide some depth and experience. Definitely can provide depth at corner- probably could play safety.

I want to say he already signed somewhere.

This brings up a big complaint I have about the portal. There needs to be portal signing days so that the players and teams know what they're options are.

I'm not a huge fan of the transferring but, if we're going to have a portal, let's at least organize it so that when you hit the portal doesn't almost completely determine where you go next.

[msu15]

I want to say he already signed somewhere.

This brings up a big complaint I have about the portal. There needs to be portal signing days so that the players and teams know what they're options are.

I'm not a huge fan of the transferring but, if we're going to have a portal, let's at least organize it so that when you hit the portal doesn't almost completely determine where you go next.

That's actually a great idea imo Gun. You're already having to recruit the player as soon as he hits, why not enforce a date so if somebody is thinking about it they have to have their mind made up or miss the chance to leave that year. Maybe if you graduate the date doesn't apply to you as well?

[ShotgunDawg]

That's actually a great idea imo Gun. You're already having to recruit the player as soon as he hits, why not enforce a date so if somebody is thinking about it they have to have their mind made up or miss the chance to leave that year. Maybe if you graduate the date doesn't apply to you as well?

Correct. There needs to be a "drop/add" type date in the portal

For example: if JJ would've done this in January, how many more transfer options would we have had to take his place? And vice versa, how many transfers signed somewhere else because it was their best option but would've rather come to MSU had they known that MSU needed a player?

Point being, it's incredibly difficult for both the school & player to know their options as it's currently constructed.

There just needs to be dates so that coaches can plan their rosters with the best available information & players can pick the school that actually offers them the best opportunity

[Todd4State]

I want to say he already signed somewhere.

This brings up a big complaint I have about the portal. There needs to be portal signing days so that the players and teams know what they're options are.

I'm not a huge fan of the transferring but, if we're going to have a portal, let's at least organize it so that when you hit the portal doesn't almost completely determine where you go next.

I agree about the signing dates.

Because you think about a guy like Keytaeon Thompson. Because Stevens came in so late he didn't really have an opportunity to go anywhere because camp and the season had started for everyone.

[Irondawg]

The question would be do you do it after the season or after the coaching circus and spring camp? I?d say after spring because you are past all the HS signings, coaches have been hired and they?ve had a chance to sell the team on their vision and evaluate the team.

[1bigdawg]

The question would be do you do it after the season or after the coaching circus and spring camp? I?d say after spring because you are past all the HS signings, coaches have been hired and they?ve had a chance to sell the team on their vision and evaluate the team.

I think you have two signing period for the portal, one in early January after season so that players can get in a full spring's work and teams know how many they can sign in February and another in May when players know more about how the roster and all the other thing mentioned above.

[TALL DAWG]

Is Nigel Knott still in the portal? He may not start but he would be a guy that is an older guy that could provide some depth and experience. Definitely can provide depth at corner- probably could play safety.

U want Knott??
Everyone thought Jones was soft at times.
Knott is Charmin Extra soft.

#WeCanDoMuchBetter

[Leeshouldveflanked]

I would swap Deantre Prince or Scooby Carter for Charmin Jones....

[Ari Gold]

Who do we replace Jones with?

The transaction isn't finished until we see who we get in exchange

When did JJ become a finalist for the Thorpe award... ??
A 6’0 soft 185lb safety that doesn’t like contact isn’t on a lot of wish list needs for SEC schools...

[ShotgunDawg]

When did JJ become a finalist for the Thorpe award... ??
A 6’0 soft 185lb safety that doesn’t like contact isn’t on a lot of wish list needs for SEC schools...

I didn't say he was.

I only asked who we're replacing him with? Did I mistype that?

[ZedFedder]

I wonder if most of your evaluations of JJ would be different if he was still on our roster. The guy is talented.

[ShotgunDawg]

I wonder if most of your evaluations of JJ would be different if he was still on our roster. The guy is talented.

Are you talking to Ari?

[ZedFedder]

Are you talking to Ari?

I’m talking to all the people saying he isn’t a good football player. He is, and even if he isn’t, he was obviously one of our three best corners. I’m glad he is gone because he obviously wasn’t committed to the program. I just think it’s dumb to act like he isn’t talented or couldn’t become a really good player.

[HailStateSZN19]

So this Emerick tweet from last week indicating a commit, is this kid a "silent commit" who just hasn't gone public, did the kid back out of committing, what's the latest on that? We need some FRESH good news to get some of the drama queens to chill out and back off from the ledge from the Jarrian/Lovett to OM BS that's gone on the last week or so.

[Ari Gold]

I’m talking to all the people saying he isn’t a good football player. He is, and even if he isn’t, he was obviously one of our three best corners. I’m glad he is gone because he obviously wasn’t committed to the program. I just think it’s dumb to act like he isn’t talented or couldn’t become a really good player.

Never said he wasn’t talented. just saying the freak out over him leaving is WAY overblown...
He wasn’t going too start for us at CB. And can he be a SEC caliber Safety ? Maybe / maybe not..
let’s just don’t act like we lost an Abram or Slay type talent..

My bet is the incoming rookie Janari Dean will have a better college career and be a much bigger impact than Jones..

[ShotgunDawg]

Never said he wasn’t talented. just saying the freak out over him leaving is WAY overblown...

Again, my freak out never had anything to do with HIM, it had to do with the circumstances surrounded him leaving & the idea that MSU had to protect it's program.

I'm still hoping we'll fight it & he'll be ineligible at OM. With that being said, I would care if he went to Auburn, LSU, FSU, etc. I just don't want him to be eligible at the school that completely tampered to get him.

[Bothrops]

Looks like Gulf Coast CC CB Jadarrius Perkins is announcing Weds. Any thoughts?

[Tripp McNeely]

Looks like Gulf Coast CC CB Jadarrius Perkins is announcing Weds. Any thoughts?

Just announced that hes holding off committing for now...gotta be a positive sign for the good guys!

[KOdawg1]

Looks like Gulf Coast CC CB Jadarrius Perkins is announcing Weds. Any thoughts?

Would've been Oregon had he announced Wednesday

[Bothrops]

Hopefully we can shut this down.

[FISHDAWG]

Would've been Oregon had he announced Wednesday

I just don't get all the player love for JoMo

[Cooterpoot]

I just don't get all the player love for JoMo

Has nothing to do with Moorhead. Moorhead didn't/isn't recruiting him. Oregon has been hitting MS hard since Cristibol took over.

[ZedFedder]

Taquon Smith, a 2022 defensive lineman from Miami, just committed. Think this staff may be a lot better recruiters than we ever thought they'd be.

https://twitter.com/SmithTaquon/status/1265780030174629889?s=20

Had offers from Tennessee, Penn State, Kentucky...

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Taquon Smith, a 2022 defensive lineman from Miami, just committed. Think this staff may be a lot better recruiters than we ever thought they'd be.

https://twitter.com/SmithTaquon/status/1265780030174629889?s=20

Had offers from Tennessee, Penn State, Kentucky...

Folks got duped. Fake recruiting twitter account set up.

[ZedFedder]

Folks got duped. Fake recruiting twitter account set up.

Wow. Haha! Thanks!

[ShotgunDawg]

Looks like Teddy Knox is committing tomorrow

[Bothrops]

Looks like Teddy Knox is committing tomorrow

I sure as hell hope so.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Could be a top schools list

[Bothrops]

Could be a top schools list

That's what I was thinking. Maybe we get surprised in a good way.

[ShotgunDawg]

JT Daniels commits to Georgia while Georgia has 5 star HS QB committed.

I don't get it. Why, with all the other more QB friendly schemes, would Daniels transfer to UGA?

[Bothrops]

Knox released about 7 favorites. Any change in feels?

[KOdawg1]

Knox released about 7 favorites. Any change in feels?

Nope

[Irondawg]

A bit of an odd choice for Daniels for sure

[ZedFedder]

Jaddarius Perkins to Oregon.

[Bothrops]

Jaddarius Perkins to Oregon.

****ing Oregon making inroads in our state sucks.

[ZedFedder]

****ing Oregon making inroads in our state sucks.

I’m sure Moorhead being there helped, but in his commitment tweet, he didn’t mention or tag Moorhead. I think they will be here to snag one or two each year.

[Irondawg]

The Oregon Nike hype plays well - better than I ever thought it would but that's still a long way from home so I doubt we quit trying to recruit him

[msu15]

I?m sure Moorhead being there helped, but in his commitment tweet, he didn?t mention or tag Moorhead. I think they will be here to snag one or two each year.

It's Cristobal from when he coached at Bama.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

It's Cristobal from when he coached at Bama.

Yep & they have a few other asst coaches with southern ties also.

[maroonmania]

JT Daniels commits to Georgia while Georgia has 5 star HS QB committed.

I don't get it. Why, with all the other more QB friendly schemes, would Daniels transfer to UGA?

Per Rosebowl GA is going to try hard to get Daniels a waiver for immediate eligibility. If that happens can you imagine how pissed Jamie Newman will be? He gives up his starting job at Wake Forest to go be a grad transfer starter at GA, and if Daniels get eligible he may only be the backup at GA. I'm sure he didn't plan on GA bringing in a guy the caliber of Daniels when he signed with GA.

[ShotgunDawg]

Per Rosebowl GA is going to try hard to get Daniels a waiver for immediate eligibility. If that happens can you imagine how pissed Jamie Newman will be? He gives up his starting job at Wake Forest to go be a grad transfer starter at GA, and if Daniels get eligible he may only be the backup at GA. I'm sure he didn't plan on GA bringing in a guy the caliber of Daniels when he signed with GA.

The transfer portal badly needs to be organized with signing dates. I've been saying it.

[msu15]

Yep & they have a few other asst coaches with southern ties also.

Hell can't say I blame them. To me Oregon has been a national brand for over 10 years now. They know they can get difference makers here in MS.

[Irondawg]

Yeah I’d be pissed if I was Newman and you know every school will use that against GA in the future

What basis are they using for the waiver for Daniels?

[maroonmania]

Yeah I’d be pissed if I was Newman and you know every school will use that against GA in the future

What basis are they using for the waiver for Daniels?

Not sure exactly other than the NCAA is likely going to be more open to waivers this year with the pandemic situation and no spring practices. I'm really just going off of SR's podcast last Friday where he goes over the QB situation for each SEC team. He claimed that GA was going to do all they could to get Daniels immediately eligible. Not sure what the basis would be and don't remember any specifics. Here is an article on it.

https://247sports.com/Article/JT-Daniels-transfer-Georgia-Bulldogs-football-quarterback-competition-Jamie-Newman-Kirby-Smart-147645746/

[Hambone]

So the commit from last week, was it a false alarm?

[KOdawg1]

We made the cut for several key players today.

WR Dewain Lofton released His top 8 today that included us. He's a speedy slot receiver. We have a good shot, but many think he wants to stay close to home, so the Texas schools need to be watched.

DL Demarcus Smith released his top 4 of us, OM, Tennessee, and Kansas. Good player. Big bodied DE. Not sure where we stand yet.

S Myzel Williams released a top 5 of us, USCe, Louisville, NC State, and Cal. Physical safety. Reminds me of a Mark McLaurin or a Nickoe Whitley.

[msu15]

MJ Daniels decommits from Ole Miss

[Todd4State]

MJ Daniels decommits from Ole Miss

Leach strikes back.**

[Jarius]

Per Rosebowl GA is going to try hard to get Daniels a waiver for immediate eligibility. If that happens can you imagine how pissed Jamie Newman will be? He gives up his starting job at Wake Forest to go be a grad transfer starter at GA, and if Daniels get eligible he may only be the backup at GA. I'm sure he didn't plan on GA bringing in a guy the caliber of Daniels when he signed with GA.

What's good for the goose. None of these players leaving us give a damn what kind of shape they are leaving us in. We've lost 3 starting SEC players. They can all get over it. I'm all for them being able to go where they want, but the school has to look out for itself. The players want to have their cake and eat it too. No one made him give up his starting job and go to Georgia.

[ShotgunDawg]

Rosebowl just put in a crystal ball for Malik Nabers to MSU.

We got to clean up the green, but our offense is about to bad 17ing ass.

If Leach can find the typical MSU defensive guys, this has a chance to be special.

I love what I'm seeing so far. Leach's reputation is actually paying off on the recruiting trail

[KOdawg1]

Rosebowl just put in a crystal ball for Malik Nabers to MSU.

We got to clean up the green, but our offense is about to bad 17ing ass.

If Leach can find the typical MSU defensive guys, this has a chance to special.

I love what I'm seeing so far. Leach's reputation is actually paying off on the recruiting trail

That's awesome and I really hope he sticks, but i won't feel comfortable until the pen hits the paper with him. All it would take is LSU to throw him an offer at the last minute, and he'd be gone. Wouldn't matter if it was to play kicker. That said...

Knox
Nabers
Buckhaulter
Johnson
Lofton
Coleman or Moore

That's the best WR class we've ever had

[ShotgunDawg]

That's awesome and I really hope he sticks, but i won't feel comfortable until the pen hits the paper with him. All it would take is LSU to throw him an offer at the last minute, and he'd be gone. Wouldn't matter if it was to play kicker. That said...

Knox
Nabers
Buckhaulter
Johnson
Lofton
Coleman or Moore

That's the best WR class we've ever had

No doubt. It's also why we need Costello & company to have some success this Fall.

That would be our best WR in history BY FAR. Nothing else even resembles this.

[Todd4State]

That's awesome and I really hope he sticks, but i won't feel comfortable until the pen hits the paper with him. All it would take is LSU to throw him an offer at the last minute, and he'd be gone. Wouldn't matter if it was to play kicker. That said...

Knox
Nabers
Buckhaulter
Johnson
Lofton
Coleman or Moore

That's the best WR class we've ever had

I can't see LSU taking everybody in Louisiana. Coach O is starting to try to recruit nationally. That could be good for us since Louisiana is a place we should look second to Mississippi for talent. We could be getting a couple of guys that LSU may have gotten a couple of years ago.

[Westdawg]

https://twitter.com/BryceGoodner68 This kid is a dang beast

I know he doesn't have an offer, but I'd like to see him given a look.

[ZedFedder]

N. Strong finally official.

[ShotgunDawg]

N. Strong finally official.

Nice. Getting quality defensive recruits will be ginormous for Leach

[Todd4State]

https://twitter.com/BryceGoodner68 This kid is a dang beast

I know he doesn't have an offer, but I'd like to see him given a look.

The 545 pound front squat and jumping out of the pool almost have me sold without watching any game film.

[ShotgunDawg]

Thomas Davis decommits.

Sucks because I think he's a good player, but at least he did it early. Gives us plenty of time to replace him or re-recruit him.

either way, there is going to be a lot of this this year due to the lack of visits.

[sandwolf]

The 545 pound front squat and jumping out of the pool almost have me sold without watching any game film.

Him jumping out of the pool if freakin' incredible.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Thomas Davis decommits.

Sucks because I think he's a good player, but at least he did it early. Gives us plenty of time to replace him or re-recruit him.

either way, there is going to be a lot of this this year due to the lack of visits.

Yep it sucks bEcause he's a 4* player & I bet he ends up a 4* by signing day. He won't be back but there's time to find a replacement.

[ZedFedder]

Always is going to happen in recruiting, especially this year.

[Westdawg]

Yeah, and he mauled a lot of guys in that video. He's in a wing offense, so blocking schemes would be massively different, but seems to be smart. Know a guy in that staff and happened upon a retweet/like of the kid jumping out of the pool. WOW. He's an aggressive, but smart, mauler of an OL. He would be a really good OG.

[MaroonFlounder]

our offense is about to bad 17ing ass.




Not really. It all starts up front. Our new look O-Line with the different spacing may kill us. Will it translate to SEC blocking/protection schemes?

[ShotgunDawg]

Not really. It all starts up front. Our new look O-Line with the different spacing may kill us. Will it translate to SEC blocking/protection schemes?

My guess is yes because Mike Leach a great coach & has done it for 20 years. He make have to make some adjustments no doubt, but he'll figure it out, because... well.... he's figured out his entire career

[msu15]

Not really. It all starts up front. Our new look O-Line with the different spacing may kill us. Will it translate to SEC blocking/protection schemes?

Lol, poor ole MSU

[Bothrops]

Yep it sucks bEcause he's a 4* player & I bet he ends up a 4* by signing day. He won't be back but there's time to find a replacement.

May end up getting offered by Georgia.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

May end up getting offered by Georgia.

They would have to miss on a few guys but it's possible.

[MaroonFlounder]

Lol, poor ole MSU

I'm about halfway between optimist and realist. Where are you on the spectrum?

Keep hope alive. I hope Leach can put it together.

[ShotgunDawg]

I'm about halfway between optimist and realist. Where are you on the spectrum?

Keep hope alive. I hope Leach can put it together.

I think your concerns are fair, but just as fair is to believe that a coach that has coached in the SEC, Big 12, Big 12, & Pac 12 & never failed over the course of a 20+ year career that has surely seen every scheme & type of player face his offense, will figure it out.

[vv83]

delete

[KOdawg1]

So Leach and his staff have proven so far that he can recruit talent at QB and WR. The system recruits itself. Still have to reel them in, but I think it's safe to say, this staff has passed expectations so far in regards to recruiting. They put in work.

Just need to get some D-linemen. That's really my only concern with this staff.

[ShotgunDawg]

So Leach and his staff have proven so far that he can recruit talent at QB and WR. The system recruits itself. Still have to reel them in, but I think it's safe to say, this staff has passed expectations so far in regards to recruiting. They put in work.

Just need to get some D-linemen. That's really my only concern with this staff.

Agree. It's a tough year to judge them because there are virtually no D-linemen in Mississippi this year. Ty Cooper is the only one & we'll likely get him.

We do have Pickering for at least 2 more years, we signed Cooley last year, & we're going to 3-3-5 where need less war daddies.

[KOdawg1]

I'd like to see a DL class of

DE:
Ty Cooper
Nick Dimitris
Demarcus Smith

DT:
Byron Murphy II
Devin Lee

I think that'd be a solid class considering the weak crop of in-state talent. IYOK feel free to let me know if that's realistic or not.

[1bigdawg]

I'd like to see a DL class of

DE:
Ty Cooper
Nick Dimitris
Demarcus Smith

DT:
Byron Murphy II
Devin Lee

I think that'd be a solid class considering the weak crop of in-state talent. IYOK feel free to let me know if that's realistic or not.

Something we will have to get used to is that we are only playing 3 upfront. If we use five scholly's on DLs then we may be shorting another position.

[KOdawg1]

Something we will have to get used to is that we are only playing 3 upfront. If we use five scholly's on DLs then we may be shorting another position.

I wouldn't take any less than 4. I still think 5 would be a good number. You also have to remember with this 3-3-5, the hybrid DE/OLB position can use kids who are tweeners.

None of the kids above fit that bill, but just something to remember when you see us signing HS DL.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I'd like to see a DL class of

DE:
Ty Cooper
Nick Dimitris
Demarcus Smith

DT:
Byron Murphy II
Devin Lee

I think that'd be a solid class considering the weak crop of in-state talent. IYOK feel free to let me know if that's realistic or not.

All of those guys are realistic but I'm not sure we take 5 DL maybe 4.

[Ari Gold]

I had rather take more DL than any other position... I think we will see a Juco DL in the mix..

[Bothrops]

I'd like to see a DL class of

DE:
Ty Cooper
Nick Dimitris
Demarcus Smith

DT:
Byron Murphy II
Devin Lee

I think that'd be a solid class considering the weak crop of in-state talent. IYOK feel free to let me know if that's realistic or not.

Even if all those listed do commit, we likely won't sign some of them, due to distance.

[KOdawg1]

Even if all those listed do commit, we likely won't sign some of them, due to distance.
The kid from California is a heavy lean. We're less likely to get the guys from Alabama and Texas

[Bothrops]

The kid from California is a heavy lean. We're less likely to get the guys from Alabama and Texas

Disagree.

[KOdawg1]

Disagree.

Cool. Paul Jones disagrees with you.

[Goldendawg]

IYOK, Ari, or anyone got any recruiting news they can share on future commits? Been stuck on 8 to 9 for quite some time. Heck, make something up!*** Thanks and Hail State!

[KOdawg1]

IYOK, Ari, or anyone got any recruiting news they can share on future commits? Been stuck on 8 to 9 for quite some time. Heck, make something up!*** Thanks and Hail State!
Teddy Knox is supposed to commit sometime this month.

[Uncle Ruckus]

Teddy Knox is supposed to commit sometime this month.
And when that happens, Malik Nabers may not be far behind.

[ShotgunDawg]

Some think Sawyer Robertson could be the top QB in the class yet he continues to fall in the rankings because he hasn't gone to camps

He fell in 247's rankings today and that is yet another sign where recruiting sites lose credibility to me.

[Bdawg]

Some think Sawyer Robertson could be the top QB in the class yet he continues to fall in the rankings because he hasn't gone to camps

He fell in 247's rankings today and that is yet another sign where recruiting sites lose credibility to me.

How can anybody move right now when nothing is going on or am I missing something?

[ShotgunDawg]

How can anybody move right now when nothing is going on or am I missing something?

Yeah. That's what you'd think

[ShotgunDawg]

Teddy Knox has moved his commitment date to July 31st.

Not a fan of this. Gives me a John Emery feel.

Why extend the commitment date?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Teddy Knox has moved his commitment date to July 31st.

Not a fan of this. Gives me a John Emery feel.

Why extend the commitment date?

The situations aren't remotely close. He never had an official commit date. He said it would be sometime in June. Now he's decided to commit on his birthday.

[Ari Gold]

The situations aren't remotely close. He never had an official commit date. He said it would be sometime in June. Now he's decided to commit on his birthday.

Agree.. and if this was a normal recruiting cycle I would be a little worried.. but Knox is about as solid as you can be right now..

[ShotgunDawg]

The situations aren't remotely close. He never had an official commit date. He said it would be sometime in June. Now he's decided to commit on his birthday.

I think you’re right but I’m skeptical

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I think you’re right but I’m skeptical

That's fine

[Bothrops]

Some think Sawyer Robertson could be the top QB in the class yet he continues to fall in the rankings because he hasn't gone to camps

That's a Mississippi State thing.

[Ari Gold]

That's a Mississippi State thing.

If the kid from Starkville is listed as a 4 star then Sawyer should be listed as a 5 star..
bottom line..

[ShotgunDawg]

If the kid from Starkville is listed as a 4 star then Sawyer should be listed as a 5 star..
bottom line..

Agree. Just watch the video on both & it's clear that Robertson is way way better .

That doesn't Luke isn't a 4 star. It just means that Robertson is way way better than Luke. It's not close on video

[ShotgunDawg]

FWIW, here's what my source says about Sawyer Robertson's baseball ability.

"Awesome body, strong and athletic. Swing has some stiffness to it so I'm not sure if he'll hit. 5th round type prospect".

This means he'll be scouted heavily but likely won't get the money have a chance at going pro.

[KOdawg1]

Agree. Just watch the video on both & it's clear that Robertson is way way better .

That doesn't Luke isn't a 4 star. It just means that Robertson is way way better than Luke. It's not close on video

Sawyer is ranked where he is for two reasons, and both involve baseball.

1. He isn't able to go to all of the football camps because of his baseball schedule. Why that warrants lowering his ranking, idk. But if he were going to all of these football camps, he'd be showing out and there'd be no doubt he's one of the top QBs in the country.

2. And the only knock in Sawyer's mechanics is the tendency to let his baseball throwing motion slip into his football delivery. If you watch his film closely, you can see it every now and then. Easily fixable with good coaching, but just an observation. He also has the tendency to throw off his back foot a bit when it's unwarranted, but again, easily fixable.

Other than that he has all the intangibles, arm strength, accuracy, and pocket presence to be an elite level prospect.

[ZedFedder]

Keon Coleman put out a top 3 of South Carolina, Kansas, and Oklahoma.

[KOdawg1]

Keon Coleman put out a top 3 of South Carolina, Kansas, and Oklahoma.

Jacobi Moore is probably next on the board. Not quite the ceiling, but he's got the size and speed we want.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Jacobi Moore is probably next on the board. Not quite the ceiling, but he's got the size and speed we want.

Moore & Da'wain Lofton look to be the next up in the pecking order.

[Bothrops]

Moore & Da'wain Lofton look to be the next up in the pecking order.

What about Knox?

[HailStateSZN19]

Give me Knox, Nabers, Kanarius Johnson, Buckhaulter, and Jacobi Moore and let’s roll.

[Todd4State]

Give me Knox, Nabers, Kanarius Johnson, Buckhaulter, and Jacobi Moore and let’s roll.

I like it!

[Ifyouonlyknew]

What about Knox?

He has a spot regardless. I was speaking on guys who needed the #'s to work out.

[Ari Gold]

Land both
Knox and Nabers.. then whoever else we get is gravy IMO

[HailStateSZN19]

Land both
Knox and Nabers.. then whoever else we get is gravy IMO

Kanarius Johnson, Brandon Buckhaulter, and Jacobi Moore would be hella gravy on top of those 2 lol. That would be a fantastic WR class.

[HailStateSZN19]

Malik Nabers down to MSU and UGA for his final 2. Battle of the Bulldogs.

[KOdawg1]

Malik Nabers down to MSU and UGA for his final 2. Battle of the Bulldogs.
I think he's our's as long as LSU doesn't offer

[HailStateSZN19]

I think he's our's as long as LSU doesn't offer

Would be an ENORMOUS get. Knox we feel great about, Kanarius Johnson we feel great about, we've got Buckhaulter committed. When you talk about adding Nabers to those 3, that alone is the best WR class we would have ever signed. Jacobi Moore added to it is just a big cherry on top. Pretty much any year in the past, we would have killed to get Moore in the class at all. Now he's possibly the 4th/5th best WR that could make up our WR class. That's incredible.

[ShotgunDawg]

Nabors is down to 2.

Seems like with two finalists, it shouldn't be till after his season to decide.

I actually feel good about getting his commit, but I dread December, late offer by LSU.

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[vv83]

So are we actually going after Marcel Brooks, or is Kylin just tweeting about it for fun?

[Hambone]

That would be nice.

[ZedFedder]

Think Barton Simmons tweeted he had some red flags in his recruitment, but the ability is for sure there. I think with Leach he would sink or swim so I wouldn’t mind taking a shot. Wonder why he is leaving?

[ShotgunDawg]

Looks like Knox doesn't want Nabors to pull the trigger first.

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[Hambone]

Rosie has posted the flag.

[Heydawg]

Teddy Knox makes it official (Twitter)

[Heydawg]

https://twitter.com/sayyted/status/1276970641179189254?s=21

[ZedFedder]

Myzel Williams is announcing Monday. Looks like he will be committing to State.

https://twitter.com/chrisboyledbnj/status/1277016596574339084?s=21

[No BS Dawg]

Myzel Williams is announcing Monday. Looks like he will be committing to State.

https://twitter.com/chrisboyledbnj/status/1277016596574339084?s=21

Do you have some inside info on this? I hope you are right. I can?t tell anything from the tweet.

[ZedFedder]

Do you have some inside info on this? I hope you are right. I can?t tell anything from the tweet.

Has two crystal balls for MSU.

https://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Myzel-Williams-at-Deland-249270/CurrentExpertPredictions/

[No BS Dawg]

Has two crystal balls for MSU.

https://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Myzel-Williams-at-Deland-249270/CurrentExpertPredictions/

Thanks, I didn?t know that. Fingers crossed.

[ShotgunDawg]

Are we turning the tide on Deion Smith?

Seems to be a sniff in the wind

[ZedFedder]

Are we turning the tide on Deion Smith?

Seems to be a sniff in the wind

Where did you hear that? Would be big.

[ShotgunDawg]

put yourself in Deion Smith's moccasins.

You can go to LSU & you really aren't sure what they're offense will look like in 2 years. You really don't know.

Or now with Knox & Robertson committed & Nabers almost committed, you can come to MSU & not be double covered while playing with a top flight QB & for the greatest passing coach in history.

You'd have to think Knox & Nabers being Bulldogs would have at least get Smith to think about coming to MSU.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

put yourself in Deion Smith's moccasins.

You can go to LSU & you really aren't sure what they're offense will look like in 2 years. You really don't know.

Or now with Knox & Robertson committed & Nabers almost committed, you can come to MSU & not be double covered while playing with a top flight QB & for the greatest passing coach in history.

You'd have to think Knox & Nabers being Bulldogs would have at least get Smith to think about coming to MSU.

I see what you're saying but LSU is about to have 4 Of the Top 10 WR committed in the next month or so. Knox & Nabers isn't moving the needle like Earle, Hilton, & Thomas. Now hopefully LSU offense takes a step back. That will make a bigger difference than who's coming in with him at WR. That & along with some friends already at MSU.

[Hambone]

Also, I think once/if the season gets going, we will open even more WR eyes when we’re slinging the ball all over the field