2021 MSU Football Recruiting Discussion Thread

[ZedFedder]

https://247sports.com/Player/Steven-Ortiz-46049118/

This guy is committing tomorrow night. Doubt we have a shot, but State is in the final 5.

[FISHDAWG]

https://247sports.com/Player/Steven-Ortiz-46049118/

This guy is committing tomorrow night. Doubt we have a shot, but State is in the final 5.

4-star .... 5'-11 170lb Corner-back is being recruited all across the country ... sounds like the kid must be a player.... looks like he's going to his home school of Minnesota - good for him

[Cooterpoot]

Football recruiting bout to pick up in MS.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Football recruiting bout to pick up in MS.

Indeed. This staff is recruiting better than I think anyone could've imagined.

[1bigdawg]

Indeed. This staff is recruiting better than I think anyone could've imagined.

Any info on the Ty Keyes rumor?

[HailStateSZN19]

Football recruiting bout to pick up in MS.

You mean as in here soon we might have some commitments? Any hints you can drop on who that might be?

[HailStateSZN19]

Indeed. This staff is recruiting better than I think anyone could've imagined.

And that was really the main worry about this staff. Everyone thought he’d be able to do something with limited talent but always wondered what would happen if the staff recruited well now that they’ve got better access in this region to talented players. We could be on the brink of something special if this staff is recruiting this well like y’all are suggesting. The wool is getting thicker by the day!

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Any info on the Ty Keyes rumor?

It has legs & they're running full speed.

[HailStateSZN19]

It has legs & they're running full speed.

Ahhhhhhh that’s what Cooter is referencing. I’m assuming Keyes’ name carries some serious weight with some in-state guys, particularly WR’s. So we dropping Greek to add Keyes?

[KOdawg1]

It has legs & they're running full speed.
We gonna drop Greek?

[Todd4State]

We gonna drop Greek?

Wouldn't bother me.

[Todd4State]

Indeed. This staff is recruiting better than I think anyone could've imagined.

Yes! They have been a lot better than I anticipated.

Of course Dan was pretty bad.

[KOdawg1]

Wouldn't bother me.
Oh me either. We already have a highly rated guy from TX that can help pull some of their WRs, so I'd love for us to get Keyes too so that he can help with some of the in-state receivers. I know he's tight with some of them.

[ShotgunDawg]

Oh me either. We already have a highly rated guy from TX that can help pull some of their WRs, so I'd love for us to get Keyes too so that he can help with some of the in-state receivers. I know he's tight with some of them.

As long as it doesn't effect Robertson I'm good with it.

Also would say something about Key's willingness to compete.

This would be wild if we got Keys as well. Just absolutely wild to have type of QB competition on campus

And for Keys, I does kind of make some sense. Even if you aren't the #1 QB in the class, you get to go to the school you wanted to &, if Leach really is the best QB developer possibly in the history of college football, then go be developed by him for a few years, see where things stand, & then if you need to transfer, after being coached by Leach for 2/3 years, I'm sure you'll have plenty of options.

[Todd4State]

As long as it doesn't effect Robertson I'm good with it.

Also would say something about Key's willingness to compete.

This would be wild if we got Keys as well. Just absolutely wild to have type of QB competition on campus

And for Keys, I does kind of make some sense. Even if you aren't the #1 QB in the class, you get to go to the school you wanted to &, if Leach really is the best QB developer possibly in the history of college football, then go be developed by him for a few years, see where things stand, & then if you need to transfer, after being coached by Leach for 2/3 years, I'm sure you'll have plenty of options.

I don't see why it would. Leach likes to use experienced QB's. Redshirt Keys and play Sawyer and let both develop.

Leach doesn't like to play QB's before their junior year.

[Todd4State]

Oh me either. We already have a highly rated guy from TX that can help pull some of their WRs, so I'd love for us to get Keyes too so that he can help with some of the in-state receivers. I know he's tight with some of them.

I think our philosophy needs to be to see what's in Mississippi recruit those best players. And then fill in the holes with out of state players. Like d-line this year.

Mississippi is a small state but has a lot of football talent and athleticism that can be developed. But because it's small what we produce at position groups is inconsistent. You may have a bunch of WR's one year and then not very many for two.

[ShotgunDawg]

I don't see why it would. Leach likes to use experienced QB's. Redshirt Keys and play Sawyer and let both develop.

Leach doesn't like to play QB's before their junior year.

How you handle that situation will likely depend on what becomes of Garrett Shrader.

Does he thrive in Leach's system?

Does he transfer?

If Shrader thrives, then you've got a back log of Shrader, Roberts, Robertson, Keys, Vandy QB transfer, & maybe Greek.

That too many guys.

If Shrader transfers, then that really opens up the competition.

[Tripp McNeely]

How you handle that situation will likely depend on what becomes of Garrett Shrader.

Does he thrive in Leach's system?

Does he transfer?

If Shrader thrives, then you've got a back log of Shrader, Roberts, Robertson, Keys, Vandy QB transfer, & maybe Greek.

That too many guys.

If Shrader transfers, then that really opens up the competition.

AMAZING ?problem? to have!!!

[ShotgunDawg]

I think our philosophy needs to be to see what's in Mississippi recruit those best players. And then fill in the holes with out of state players. Like d-line this year.

Mississippi is a small state but has a lot of football talent and athleticism that can be developed. But because it's small what we produce at position groups is inconsistent. You may have a bunch of WR's one year and then not very many for two.

I hear you, but Mississippi has never consistently produced great WRs & QBs.

You can't win big in the SEC by prioritizing Mississippi at those positions. You can't pass on Robertson ever.

Robertson may be a better pure passer than anyone Mississippi produced Romero Miller or Fant. You can't pass on that.

[msu15]

When it comes to QB's, whatever Leach wants to do I'm on board, even if it meant something crazy like signing 3 high school QB's in the same class. He is the pirate after aaarrggh.

[KOdawg1]

This offensive system will recruit itself. QBs and WRs will be drawn to it. How we recruit defensively will determine how successful we are. Leach and Co. haven't fared so well in that area in the past, but he was in Lubbock, Texas (where he had a couple of good defenses) and Pullman (which is.. well in the middle of nowhere). Being in the southeast will give him access to the best athletes in the country. I just hope we can continue our success on the defensive line. We need a Nathan Pickering every year or so.

[KOdawg1]

How you handle that situation will likely depend on what becomes of Garrett Shrader.

Does he thrive in Leach's system?

Does he transfer?

If Shrader thrives, then you've got a back log of Shrader, Roberts, Robertson, Keys, Vandy QB transfer, & maybe Greek.

That too many guys.

If Shrader transfers, then that really opens up the competition.
I think Shrader ends up transferring eventually. That QB room is getting crowded very quickly.

[Todd4State]

I hear you, but Mississippi has never consistently produced great WRs & QBs.

You can't win big in the SEC by prioritizing Mississippi at those positions. You can't pass on Robertson ever.

Robertson may be a better pure passer than anyone Mississippi produced Romero Miller or Fant. You can't pass on that.

Never?

Rice, Moulds, Bumphis, AJ Brown, Metcalf...

[Todd4State]

I think Shrader ends up transferring eventually. That QB room is getting crowded very quickly.

I think he may fit Leach's system well. Like I said Leach likes veterans and I think Shrader has a decent football IQ and a good arm. He's also fairly accurate.

[Hambone]

Honest question... if the system is so easy to learn, why does it take the qb until his junior year to run it? (Well, Leach’s preference)

Not being negative what so ever.

[Todd4State]

Honest question... if the system is so easy to learn, why does it take the qb until his junior year to run it? (Well, Leach’s preference)

Not being negative what so ever.

I don't think it's a "not knowing the offense" thing as much as it is a maturity thing. It's one thing to know the playbook and it's another to "hey I can the the ball across my body in the middle of the field and complete it against Alabama because I did it to Madison Central when I was in high school."

[NCDawg]

I think he may fit Leach's system well. Like I said Leach likes veterans and I think Shrader has a decent football IQ and a good arm. He's also fairly accurate.

I agree. I think Shrader is a good QB and will do well under Leach.

[ZedFedder]

What’s the percentage we get Keyes right now?

[ShotgunDawg]

I agree. I think Shrader is a good QB and will do well under Leach.

I agree

However, one thing is for sure though... He's going to have to beat out some ballers to play

[ShotgunDawg]

Never?

Rice, Moulds, Bumphis, AJ Brown, Metcalf...

Maybe I used the wrong word in "Great"

The state doesn't produce enough polish on a consistent basis.

Too many Stone hands types lack the polish to be consistent.

Texas produce those guys in droves.

We have to spread around our WR recruiting with the right mix of polish & upside.

[Todd4State]

Maybe I used the wrong word in "Great"

The state doesn't produce enough polish on a consistent basis.

Too many Stone hands types lack the polish to be consistent.

Texas produce those guys in droves.

We have to spread around our WR recruiting with the right mix of polish & upside.

How much of that is a MSU coaching thing I wonder? I can't remember having one single WR coach that I thought "man I hate to lose that guy" after they left. It seems like Ole Miss, USM, and even Memphis- all in our footprint- are able to find guys that can catch and run routes at an acceptable level. I'm talking about your typical three star WR here. There is ZERO reason why MSU can't find and coach those players up.

I think our RTDB philosophy has hurt us as far as recruiting WR's too. No WR wants to go out there and be blue collar and block and catch a couple of balls. Especially in this era where they see guys on TV being flashy superstars. No question this hurt us some with AJ Brown.

We have had some solid ones recently- Robert Johnson, Fred Brown, Arceto Clark and Jesse Jackson come to mind from Mississippi. Also, I think recentcy bias is here some because Dan did a TERRIBLE job of recruiting WR's after 2014 and it has taken us a few years to rebuild. How many years has Osirus Mitchell started despite being a late singee? He's turned into a good solid player- but he's not a guy that should be a three year starter for us. But he had to out of necessity. It seemed like every Dan recruit at WR for a couple of years was compared to Steve Smith, Jr. just like every QB we had under Croom was compared to Doug Flutie. Exceptions are typically exceptions. For the first time in years we're going to have a group of mostly juniors and seniors at WR- Mitchell, Heath, Payton, Austin Williams, Dontae Jones, and maybe some others I'm forgetting.

We definitely could and should be better than we have been at WR.

[ShotgunDawg]

How much of that is a MSU coaching thing I wonder? I can't remember having one single WR coach that I thought "man I hate to lose that guy" after they left. It seems like Ole Miss, USM, and even Memphis- all in our footprint- are able to find guys that can catch and run routes at an acceptable level. I'm talking about your typical three star WR here. There is ZERO reason why MSU can't find and coach those players up.

I think our RTDB philosophy has hurt us as far as recruiting WR's too. No WR wants to go out there and be blue collar and block and catch a couple of balls. Especially in this era where they see guys on TV being flashy superstars. No question this hurt us some with AJ Brown.

We have had some solid ones recently- Robert Johnson, Fred Brown, Arceto Clark and Jesse Jackson come to mind from Mississippi. Also, I think recentcy bias is here some because Dan did a TERRIBLE job of recruiting WR's after 2014 and it has taken us a few years to rebuild. How many years has Osirus Mitchell started despite being a late singee? He's turned into a good solid player- but he's not a guy that should be a three year starter for us. But he had to out of necessity. It seemed like every Dan recruit at WR for a couple of years was compared to Steve Smith, Jr. just like every QB we had under Croom was compared to Doug Flutie. Exceptions are typically exceptions. For the first time in years we're going to have a group of mostly juniors and seniors at WR- Mitchell, Heath, Payton, Austin Williams, Dontae Jones, and maybe some others I'm forgetting.

We definitely could and should be better than we have been at WR.

Some of that is definitely coaching, but coaching becomes infinitely easier and quicker when experience and the right tools walk through the door.

[FISHDAWG]

Never?

Rice, Moulds, Bumphis, AJ Brown, Metcalf... .... Favre, McNair

[Hambone]

De’Andre Brown wasn’t half bad either.

[ShotgunDawg]

Paul Jones just Crystal balled Theodore Knox to the good guys.

92 rated 4* WR out of the Woodlands. Reminds me of Elijah Moore. Twitchy slot guy with Jets

Would be an absolutely HUGE commitment for us & possibly influence some in-state guys due to them realizing that they will have legitimate help around them.

[DEDawg]

Paul Jones just Crystal balled Theodore Knox to the good guys.

92 rated 4* WR out of the Woodlands. Reminds me of Elijah Moore. Twitchy slot guy with Jets

Would be an absolutely HUGE commitment for us & possibly influence some in-state guys due to them realizing that they will have legitimate help around them.

Good deal. We expect him to commit soon or this one going to drag out? Anyone else we think gets in the boat soon?

[ZedFedder]

Paul Jones just Crystal balled Theodore Knox to the good guys.

92 rated 4* WR out of the Woodlands. Reminds me of Elijah Moore. Twitchy slot guy with Jets

Would be an absolutely HUGE commitment for us & possibly influence some in-state guys due to them realizing that they will have legitimate help around them.

So did Demetric Warren.

[ShotgunDawg]

Good deal. We expect him to commit soon or this one going to drag out? Anyone else we think gets in the boat soon?

No clue

[Todd4State]

Paul Jones just Crystal balled Theodore Knox to the good guys.

92 rated 4* WR out of the Woodlands. Reminds me of Elijah Moore. Twitchy slot guy with Jets

Would be an absolutely HUGE commitment for us & possibly influence some in-state guys due to them realizing that they will have legitimate help around them.

Did he pee in his high school teams end zone and cost them a game? Or did he try to fair catch a ball after he caught it?**

[Jarius]

No clue

I believe he is committing in June. Not 100 %.

[vv83]

New commit https://247sports.com/Player/Thomas-Davis-46100112/

LB out of Georgia

[ShotgunDawg]

Davis has to be the first commit I can remember that didn't even include the head coach or assistant coach's twitter in his announcement.

It's incredible how much autonomy Leach gives his assistants.

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[ShotgunDawg]

New commit https://247sports.com/Player/Thomas-Davis-46100112/

LB out of Georgia

I like this guy.

Live bodied and has some twitch too him. Good feet

[BrunswickDawg]

I like this guy.

Live bodied and has some twitch too him. Good feet

This is where I'm gonna love Leach the most - dippin into South Georgia for players. Guys, Lowndes is a 7A power program and usually has a large number of D1 players every year.

[Bothrops]

I like it what I'm reading. Time to watch some video.

[ShotgunDawg]

This is where I'm gonna love Leach the most - dippin into South Georgia for players. Guys, Lowndes is a 7A power program and usually has a large number of D1 players every year.

Leach coached at Valdosta & Mason Miller is from South Georgia.

I'm sure we'll get significantly more involved down there which is great.

[BrunswickDawg]

Leach coached at Valdosta & Mason Miller is from South Georgia.

I'm sure we'll get significantly more involved down there which is great.

Miller isn't from South Ga - he's from Marietta and played at Walton - he's a friend of the family. He played at Valdosta State under Leach. Current VSU HC Gary Goff was a teammate. But, yes, Leach has lots of contact down here. Brunswick High's HC is a former player too (that's where Slay played).

[ShotgunDawg]

I don't understand this guy's offer list. He looks like a high 3 star type prospect, but doesn't have those types of offers.

- Is he a tweener due to his size? He looks bigger than 6'2" 225 to me.

- Is the lack of a Spring eval period & camps hurting his stock?

IDK, just looks like a player that should have many more options than what he's reporting

[ShotgunDawg]

Miller isn't from South Ga - he's from Marietta and played at Walton - he's a friend of the family. He played at Valdosta State under Leach. Current VSU HC Gary Goff was a teammate. But, yes, Leach has lots of contact down here. Brunswick High's HC is a former player too (that's where Slay played).

Ahhh. Gotcha. I knew Miller played at Valodosta.

[BrunswickDawg]

Ahhh. Gotcha. I knew Miller played at Valodosta.

With Leach at MSU my worlds have collided - my daughter at MSU and my son at VSU- I'm learning a lot about DII football.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Nm

[ShotgunDawg]

Thomas Davis Jr Highlights

https://www.hudl.com/profile/9858598/Thomas-Davis

Your thoughts?

Titus Brown or former VT DE/LB Corey Moore?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Thomas Davis Jr Highlights

http://www.hudl.com/v/2CY6q6

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Your thoughts?

Titus Brown or former VT DE/LB Corey Moore?

Wow Corey Moore that's a name I haven't heard in a while. I like Davis. He's going to play the Hybrid standup DE/LB role that Jordan Davis, Lawson, & russell are going to play this year.

[msbulldog]

Miller isn't from South Ga - he's from Marietta and played at Walton - he's a friend of the family. He played at Valdosta State under Leach. Current VSU HC Gary Goff was a teammate. But, yes, Leach has lots of contact down here. Brunswick High's HC is a former player too (that's where Slay played).

John Bond played at Valdosta HS. My company has a branch there.

[ShotgunDawg]

Wow Corey Moore that's a name I haven't heard in a while. I like Davis. He's going to play the Hybrid standup DE/LB role that Jordan Davis, Lawson, & russell are going to play this year.

Yeah, when I watched Thomas' video I thought he reminded me of "that old VT DE that was really good"

I always try to look at a guy's height & weight & then find a player that would be "best case scenario" & watch that player's video to compare


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAwkgSUabQQ

[BrunswickDawg]

John Bond is played at Valdosta. My company has a branch there.

Yep. Valdosta used to be a QB machine - they went from Buck Belue, to John Bond, to John Lastinger (UGA). They just hired Rush Propst as their latest coach

[ShotgunDawg]

Has anyone noticed that 247 has Sawyer Robertson ranked over Garrett Nussmeier?

Sawyer is a 93 and Nuss a 91

Will be interesting to see if it stays that way after Nuss commits to a blue blood

[Todd4State]

Has anyone noticed that 247 has Sawyer Robertson ranked over Garrett Nussmeier?

Sawyer is a 93 and Nuss a 91

Will be interesting to see if it stays that way after Nuss commits to a blue blood

I don't trust their ratings. They're garbage and biased and not sure why any of us worry about them.

[Bothrops]

Has anyone noticed that 247 has Sawyer Robertson ranked over Garrett Nussmeier?

Sawyer is a 93 and Nuss a 91

Will be interesting to see if it stays that way after Nuss commits to a blue blood

It won't.

[Madisonmd]

I believe Davis plays at Lowndes county High, not Valdosta High. There are 2 schools in that county, one in city (Bond school) and the county school

[FISHDAWG]

Leach coached at Valdosta & Mason Miller is from South Georgia.

I'm sure we'll get significantly more involved down there which is great.

back in the day Valdosta was THE power house HS Program in Georgia ... they even got into a little trouble when it was discovered they actually were recruiting and getting players to move into their district

[ZedFedder]

South Panola used to do the same.

[ShotgunDawg]

I think this is going to be a fascinating year in recruiting & my hope is that it plays into our hands.

- Without the Spring evaluation period, they entire process has slowed down meaning that many offers from the blue blood won't be given out till October or later.

- While this may cause some drama late in the process, it also gives Leach a chance to show these players his offense at MSU before they commit & also gives LSU a chance to level out or worse at the same time.

Just thinking optimistically. We needed guys to wait & commit later in the process after Leach shows off his passing game at MSU. Hopefully this helps

[StateDawg44]

I think this is going to be a fascinating year in recruiting & my hope is that it plays into our hands.

- Without the Spring evaluation period, they entire process has slowed down meaning that many offers from the blue blood won't be given out till October or later.

- While this may cause some drama late in the process, it also gives Leach a chance to show these players his offense at MSU before they commit & also gives LSU a chance to level out or worse at the same time.

Just thinking optimistically. We needed guys to wait & commit later in the process after Leach shows off his passing game at MSU. Hopefully this helps




So the NCAA fb season is up in the air obviously. I would assume HS football is even more so. Could be wrong.

How they supposed to "evaluate" HS players this year?

[ShotgunDawg]

So the NCAA fb season is up in the air obviously. I would assume HS football is even more so. Could be wrong.

How they supposed to "evaluate" HS players this year?

Video & contacts.

[ShotgunDawg]

Demetric Warren with a Crystal Ball for Kanarius Johnson to MSU.

After watching video on this year's in-state WRs crop, it's my opinion that Johnson is the 2nd best pure WR prospect in the state behind Smith. In comparison to Harmon, he's more of a WR prospect & in comparison to Brevard, he's just faster & twitchier

He looks like a pure, smooth WR with Chris Smith's body & Fred Ross' speed. Light on his feet with long extremities & a large catch radius. Easy 4 star to me. Should be rated 91-93. He's rated an 87 on 247, but he's clearly better than that

Lock up Johnson & Knox. Then hope that a season of LSU regressing to the mean & Costello showing out turns Smith towards the good guys.

https://247sports.com/Video/2019-Junior-Season-Highlights-9677029/

[MetEdDawg]

So the NCAA fb season is up in the air obviously. I would assume HS football is even more so. Could be wrong.

How they supposed to "evaluate" HS players this year?

This. Those of us in public education are extremely concerned about the high school football season. Season basically starts in 4 months and we are guaranteed to stay closed until at least June 5. If we have another spike of virus cases after we open stuff back up we could seriously put all fall sports in jeopardy. Football not playing would be very interesting.

[ejdallas322]

Well Brevard just dropped his top 10 and we are not on it.

[Tripp McNeely]

Well Brevard just dropped his top 10 and we are not on it.

Yeah, what?s the story? Why are we not pushing this kid?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Yeah, what?s the story? Why are we not pushing this kid?

Maybe they like others better. Maybe Brevard like others better. He said he went with the schools that made him feel most wanted. The way this staff has attacked recruiting if they didn't push its not because they're lazy.

[Bothrops]

Brevard CB'd to Oregon by D.Warren. Regardless of where he signs, they have become sort of a staple in Miss recruiting in the last few years. I find it a little embarrassing.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Brevard CB'd to Oregon by D.Warren. Regardless of where he signs, they have become sort of a staple in Miss recruiting in the last few years. I find it a little embarrassing.

They've signed 1 MS kid in the last 10 years. Trey Benson RB last year & we signed 2 RB rated higher.

[ShotgunDawg]

Well Brevard just dropped his top 10 and we are not on it.

Brevard is slow. Pull up the film.

I'm not sure how hard we've recruited him.

[Todd4State]

Brevard CB'd to Oregon by D.Warren. Regardless of where he signs, they have become sort of a staple in Miss recruiting in the last few years. I find it a little embarrassing.

They've become a national program because of their ties to Nike.

And honestly- it's a pretty nice place if you like the outdoors. Not sure how many of these football recruits like mountain climbing but...

Also I think a lot of players like their uniforms.

[msu15]

Brevard CB'd to Oregon by D.Warren. Regardless of where he signs, they have become sort of a staple in Miss recruiting in the last few years. I find it a little embarrassing.

One of the most piss poor statements I've ever seen on here.

[ShotgunDawg]

Brevard is slow. Pull up the film.

I'm not sure how hard we've recruited him.

Brevard ran a 4.68 40.

He'll be a 3 star in time.

Yes he's big, but in Leach's offense, he doesn't want the QB to throw to a covered guy. He wants fast guys that get separation

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Brevard ran a 4.68 40.

He'll be a 3 star in time.

Yes he's big, but in Leach's offense, he doesn't want the QB to throw to a covered guy. He wants fast guys that get separation

I don't think he falls to a 3* but he's a lower 4* not a mid to high 4* kid. The kid can play he's just not a can't miss guy. There's only 1 can't miss instate this year imo & that's Deion Smith.

[MetEdDawg]

Brevard CB'd to Oregon by D.Warren. Regardless of where he signs, they have become sort of a staple in Miss recruiting in the last few years. I find it a little embarrassing.

They really have hit been hitting Alabama harder. Signed 2 of the Top 15 from Alabama in 2020 and 2 of the Top 25 in 2019.

They are hitting the south harder but not MS as much. In the last 2 recruiting cycles Oregon has signed a total of 14 kids from SEC states. That's about a 30% rate of all the kids they sign.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

They really have hit been hitting Alabama harder. Signed 2 of the Top 15 from Alabama in 2020 and 2 of the Top 25 in 2019.

They are hitting the south harder but not MS as much. In the last 2 recruiting cycles Oregon has signed a total of 14 kids from SEC states. That's about a 30% rate of all the kids they sign.

Cristobal came from Bama he knows this region well.

[ShotgunDawg]

I don't think he falls to a 3* but he's a lower 4* not a mid to high 4* kid. The kid can play he's just not a can't miss guy. There's only 1 can't miss instate this year imo & that's Deion Smith.

How can a WR that runs a 4.68 be a 4 star? That 40 time means he has virtually no chance of being an NFL player

We've got to find a way to get Smith.

The fact that he's committed to us before is key IMO as it means that he at least likes MSU & has interest.

Hopefully LSU's offense takes a big step back & Smith sees the light

In the same way that we trust Leach with QBs, we're going to have to trust him with WRs as well. When you think back at all of Leach's best WRs, they are all quick. Not necissarily straight line fast, but quick.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

How can a WR that runs a 4.68 be a 4 star? That 40 time means he has virtually no chance of being an NFL player

We've got to find a way to get Smith.

The fact that he's committed to us before is key IMO as it means that he at least likes MSU & has interest.

Hopefully LSU's offense takes a big step back & Smith sees the light

In the same way that we trust Leach with QBs, we're going to have to trust him with WRs as well. When you think back at all of Leach's best WRs, they are all quick. Not necissarily straight line fast, but quick.

Well considering he ran a 4.68 as a Soph in HS I think he has time to improve his 40. Jordan jefferson ran a 4.88 in HS.

Just have to keep getting Deion on campus.

[MetEdDawg]

Cristobal came from Bama he knows this region well.

Exactly. So far he hasn't really eaten into any of the top tier talent in the state that Alabama truly wants. The two he got this past year were Ashford the QB formerly committed to OM and Jones who was an Alabama commit that they offered a gray shirt to.

Cristobal is having to come down here because other than California there isn't a lot of top tier talent around him geographically. So his southern connections are really helping them fill their classes out with some solid kids. Hopefully he can find a way to chip away at some of the talent in AL that Bama and Auburn go after.

[KOdawg1]

How can a WR that runs a 4.68 be a 4 star? That 40 time means he has virtually no chance of being an NFL player

.

Deion Smith ran a 4.61 a year ago. I'd venture to say that it's not indicative of his ability. Most HS kids don't know how to run 40s.

[ShotgunDawg]

Deion Smith ran a 4.61 a year ago. I'd venture to say that it's not indicative of his ability. Most HS kids don't know how to run 40s.

Pull up Brevard's video. He clearly doesn't have the life in his body that Smith & Johnson have.

[Ari Gold]

We are on and in play for a number of very solid WR .. we are going to be fine in the WR recruiting

[fader2103]

Never?

Rice, Moulds, Bumphis, AJ Brown, Metcalf...

Espy, Jr. Come on Todd you being from MC should remember him.

[Bothrops]

One of the most piss poor statements I've ever seen on here.

Welcome to ED.

[Bothrops]

They've become a national program because of their ties to Nike.

And honestly- it's a pretty nice place if you like the outdoors. Not sure how many of these football recruits like mountain climbing but...

Also I think a lot of players like their uniforms.

All that Oregon stuff is bound to be overrated. The outdoors are great in a lot of places.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

All that Oregon stuff is bound to be overrated. The outdoors are great in a lot of places.

These kids aren't going to Oregon for the outdoors. They're going to play football. They have top 3 facilities in the country with endless Nike gear. If you don't think that helps go check out Leach's video when he landed on the plane & see what 1 of the 1st questions the players asked him. Also they're a winning program with 1 of the best recruiters in the country leading the program. Cristobal is a Orgeron level recruiter without the Cajun ties.

[Bothrops]

These kids aren't going to Oregon for the outdoors. They're going to play football. They have top 3 facilities in the country with endless Nike gear. If you don't think that helps go check out Leach's video when he landed on the plane & see what 1 of the 1st questions the players asked him. Also they're a winning program with 1 of the best recruiters in the country leading the program. Cristobal is a Orgeron level recruiter without the Cajun ties.

They are a good program and have a great football ops building.

[ShotgunDawg]

LSU gets a commit from a 96 rated WR out of Aledo, TX. Jo Jo Earle

This year, I'm going to cheer for LSU to get WR commits from as many players as possible that we don't have a shot with.

[Bothrops]

LSU gets a commit from a 96 rated WR out of Aledo, TX. Jo Jo Earle

This year, I'm going to cheer for LSU to get WR commits from as many players as possible that we don't have a shot with.

Agree with this, hope it continues.

[Cooterpoot]

Yeah, what?s the story? Why are we not pushing this kid?

Because he's the most overrated player instate. He's got TE speed. He's looking like a possession guy.

[Todd4State]

Because he's the most overrated player instate. He's got TE speed. He's looking like a possession guy.

I wish we had a possession guy the last three years at least!

[msu15]

Rosebowl with CB's for Knox, Johnson, and Jacobi Moore. I like it.

[ShotgunDawg]

Rosebowl with CB's for Knox, Johnson, and Jacobi Moore. I like it.

The rankings are complete trash this year and I?d be willing to say I understand if it weren?t so obvious within the 1st 10 seconds of a highlight video.

Knox they have correct. Burner

Jacobi Moore is an 88 3 star that is 6?4? and has pretty awesome burst and twitch. Honestly, if he was a 95 rated player based on his HUDL, I wouldn’t think it was wrong. Easy 4 star. https://www.hudl.com/profile/9540764/Jacobi-Moore

Calloway is an 85 with a Bama offer

Kanarious Johnson is probably the 2nd best WR in the state and an easy 4 star. https://www.hudl.com/profile/11517258/Kanarius-Johnson

Meanwhile, slow WRs like Harmon and Brevard are stuffed.

Leach is prioritizing light feet and speed. I love it.

[ShotgunDawg]

Rosebowl with CB's for Knox, Johnson, and Jacobi Moore. I like it.

These three alone would be the best WR class we’ve ever signed and we may add a few more.

[KOdawg1]

These three alone would be the best WR class we’ve ever signed and we may add a few more.

I think we get Keon Coleman from Louisiana if LSU doesn't offer

[ShotgunDawg]

I think we get Keon Coleman from Louisiana if LSU doesn't offer

Shiver me timbers.

We’re about to get this fixed. Just don’t fall off on defense.

Lsu likely can’t offer both Coleman and Nabors right?

[KOdawg1]

Shiver me timbers.

We’re about to get this fixed. Just don’t fall off on defense.

Lsu likely can’t offer both Coleman and Nabors right?
I wouldn't think. They'd have to miss on some other guys first. Like Deion

[KOdawg1]

Theodore Knox
De'wain Lofton
Kanarius Johnson
Brandon Buckhaulter
Keon Coleman
Maybe Jacobi Moore if the #s work out

Save a spot for Deion if he changes his mind. I think that's a realistic WR haul if all holds

[Hambone]

Man, IF this comes to fruition......... this will be great

[Todd4State]

The rankings are complete trash this year and I?d be willing to say I understand if it weren?t so obvious within the 1st 10 seconds of a highlight video.

Knox they have correct. Burner

Jacobi Moore is an 88 3 star that is 6?4? and has pretty awesome burst and twitch. Honestly, if he was a 95 rated player based on his HUDL, I wouldn’t think it was wrong. Easy 4 star. https://www.hudl.com/profile/9540764/Jacobi-Moore

Calloway is an 85 with a Bama offer

Kanarious Johnson is probably the 2nd best WR in the state and an easy 4 star. https://www.hudl.com/profile/11517258/Kanarius-Johnson

Meanwhile, slow WRs like Harmon and Brevard are stuffed.

Leach is prioritizing light feet and speed. I love it.

Leach knows what to look for and he likes to throw it deep.

[ZedFedder]

I watched the Hudl video for Knox, Lofton, Johnson, and Moore. I’m good with ANY of those guys. I don’t see how Lofton and Moore are rated as low as they are.

[ShotgunDawg]

I watched the Hudl video for Knox, Lofton, Johnson, and Moore. I’m good with ANY of those guys. I don’t see how Lofton and Moore are rated as low as they are.

The rankings are bad this year.

My guess is that we'll see a good bit of ranking movement during the season, but these recruiting sites have become so dependent on combines that they're pretty lost this year.

What's frustrating is that they've become so dependent on the combines that they're struggling to even watch a highlight video for 10 seconds & realize that the player is far better or worse than where they have him ranked.

What will be interesting this year is to see if Saban & some other blue blood coaches struggle with the same thing & sign the wrong guys.

This situation whould help MSU though as the blue blood boosters & coaches won't be as convicted about who they need to go pay

[ShotgunDawg]

What the story on the MJ Daniels, the 4 star Ole Miss DB Commit at George County?

Is he really a 4 star & why would any decent defensive player sign with Ole Miss? There's ample proof they'd be throwing their career away

[Westdawg]

What the story on the MJ Daniels, the 4 star Ole Miss DB Commit at George County?

Is he really a 4 star & why would any decent defensive player sign with Ole Miss? There's ample proof they'd be throwing their career away

George County has a lot of Hotty Toddy in it.

[ShotgunDawg]

George County has a lot of Hotty Toddy in it.

Surely the kid has Google right?

Google: Does Mississippi State or Ole Miss produce more NFL players?

[Cooterpoot]

What the story on the MJ Daniels, the 4 star Ole Miss DB Commit at George County?

Is he really a 4 star & why would any decent defensive player sign with Ole Miss? There's ample proof they'd be throwing their career away

I don't believe his commitment sticks. And George Co. probably has more Bama fans than anything. His new HC coach is a State fan I believe. He is indeed legit.

[ShotgunDawg]

I don't believe his commitment sticks. And George Co. probably has more Bama fans than anything. His new HC coach is a State fan I believe. He is indeed legit.

Hopefully you're right.

Honestly, I'm not sure how much interest I'd have in a player that was actually dumb enough to choose Ole Miss over MSU right now. Not sure the aptitude level in that situation would offer him much of a chance to pan out.

[ZedFedder]

Hopefully you're right.

Honestly, I'm not sure how much interest I'd have in a player that was actually dumb enough to choose Ole Miss over MSU right now. Not sure the aptitude level in that situation would offer him much of a chance to pan out.

That means we would have passed on a guy like Willie Gay, then.

[ShotgunDawg]

That means we would have passed on a guy like Willie Gay, then.

Willie didn't sign with Ole Miss

I couldn't care less where guys commit. It's where they sign after lots of long thought

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Willie didn't sign with Ole Miss

I couldn't care less where guys commit. It's where they sign after lots of long thought

MJ Daniels hasn't signed with OM either.

[ShotgunDawg]

MJ Daniels hasn't signed with OM either.

Yeah. I wasn't saying I don't have interest in Daniels. Was saying that, if he actually signed with Ole Miss over MSU, I'd have concerns.

[msbulldog]

Yeah. I wasn't saying I don't have interest in Daniels. Was saying that, if he actually signed with Ole Miss over MSU, I'd have concerns.

Gun why would you be concerned if he signed with Ole Miss? The game is over then!

[ZedFedder]

Gun why would you be concerned if he signed with Ole Miss? The game is over then!

Because he is trying to backtrack on that initial statement lol

[ShotgunDawg]

Because he is trying to backtrack on that initial statement lol

For 17 sakes I’m having trouble understanding why you guys can’t comprehend my point.

If a kid actually makes the decision to sign with Ole Miss over MSU right now, then I question his mental capacity

[msbulldog]

For 17 sakes I’m having trouble understanding why you guys can’t comprehend my point.

If a kid actually makes the decision to sign with Ole Miss over MSU right now, then I question his mental capacity

Damn Gun, Quit digging when you're already in a hole.

[ShotgunDawg]

What type of prospect is Markylan Pounders?

His offer list in no way reflects his 84 rating.

What's the deal here?

[Todd4State]

What type of prospect is Markylan Pounders?

His offer list in now way reflects his 84 rating.

What the deal here?

247 sports talent evaluators don't know where Byhalia, Mississippi is. That's the deal.

Which is absolutely ridiculous given what Mississippi puts in the NFL per capita every year.

[ShotgunDawg]

247 sports talent evaluators don't know where Byhalia, Mississippi is. That's the deal.

Which is absolutely ridiculous given what Mississippi puts in the NFL per capita every year.

You'd think though that just given what his offers are 247 could figure out that he's much better than an 84

[Bothrops]

There will be a lot of unscouted talent for 2021, especially in Mississippi.

[Todd4State]

You'd think though that just given what his offers are 247 could figure out that he's much better than an 84

You would and that's why I've been telling you they are a sham.

[msbulldog]

You would and that's why I've been telling you they are a sham.

Todd haven't I seen you post on 247?

[Todd4State]

Todd haven't I seen you post on 247?

Yes. Paul, Robbie, and etc don't rate the players. I'm talking about their national guys like Barton Simmons.

[ShotgunDawg]

Hmmm
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[ShotgunDawg]

17 YEAH!!!!
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[ShotgunDawg]

What type of prospect is Markylan Pounders?

His offer list in no way reflects his 84 rating.

What's the deal here?

Well, since he's about to commit to us, I just developed my own opinion on Pounders.

He's a slightly less twitchy version of Charles Cross.

Looks like an 89-90 type prospect to me. OL are hard though.

https://www.hudl.com/profile/11762354/Makylan-Pounders

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Kid is really raw but he has the athleticism & length that the staff loves. He has the tools to be molded into a very good player. You can tell he's never really been coached by some of his technique.

[ShotgunDawg]

Kid is really raw but he has the athleticism & length that the staff loves. He has the tools to be molded into a very good player. You can tell he's never really been coached by some of his technique.

And he's so young that he'll be an easy RS candidate. Big bodied kid with quality athleticism.

I'm in.

[Ari Gold]

Kid is really raw but he has the athleticism & length that the staff loves. He has the tools to be molded into a very good player. You can tell he's never really been coached by some of his technique.

Agree.. and wont be needed to play first 2 years... Extremely high upside I was told...

[ShotgunDawg]

I don't think it can be understated what a big deal it is that this staff has already been together at another school.

They aren't all learning what they want in the scheme or what their role is in recruiting. They've already got those things figured out at Wazzou.

When comparing this staff's recruiting & evaluation ability to say Moorhead's staff or Kiffin's staff, they have a huge advantage in that they already are all on the same page & know what they want.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I don't think it can be understated what a big deal it is that this staff has already been together at another school.

They aren't all learning what they want in the scheme or what their role is in recruiting. They've already got those things figured out at Wazzou.

When comparing this staff's recruiting & evaluation ability to say Moorhead's staff or Kiffin's staff, they have a huge advantage in that they already are all on the same page & know what they want.

Offensively for sure. On defense it's more of a mixed bag but still some continuity.

[ShotgunDawg]

Offensively for sure. On defense it's more of a mixed bag but still some continuity.

Very true.

I just think that continuity is huge because it allows the staff to go all in & aggressively recruit a player quicker. Also that guy is more likely to pan out because they can directly compare him to other players that they recruited at other schools.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Very true.

I just think that continuity is huge because it allows the staff to go all in & aggressively recruit a player quicker. Also that guy is more likely to pan out because they can directly compare him to other players that they recruited at other schools.

Leach also gives his assistants the freedom to offer guys on their own without checking with him 1st.

[ShotgunDawg]

Leach also gives his assistants the freedom to offer guys on their own without checking with him 1st.

Yup & that only comes with trust & that trust can only be built with continuity & working together before.

While it's different schools & different circumstances to some degree, this is similar to when Mullen went to Florida. Florida hit the ground running because the coaching staff was all on the same page.

I'm not saying that Kiffin won't be successful at Ole Miss (Although I don't think he will be), but with how many new people he has working together on that staff, it's going to take them a while to gel & figure out what an "Ole Miss player" looks like in their schemes. To combat this, Kiffin will have to micro-manage his tail off to compensate & that takes it's toll as we saw with Joe.

Leach has a well oiled machine & he only has to worry about coaching, which makes coaching easier & much better.

[Ari Gold]

Offensively for sure. On defense it's more of a mixed bag but still some continuity.

That’s the one concern... for the first time in a long time the talent in Mississippi on the defensive side of the ball in the 2021 class is extremely thin.
Going to have to get the players outside of the state and/or juco ...

This is the one good thing CJM did in his 2 years he did balance out the roster and brought in some very nice young talent on defense..
CML and the staff are going to have to work extra hard this year to find and sign defensive guys , hopefully the 2022 class in the Sip will showcase some DL and LB Studs...

I don’t think we will ever have many concerns on QB / WR and even RB as long as CML is here...

[BrunswickDawg]

Offensively for sure. On defense it's more of a mixed bag but still some continuity.

Hopefully, that is something we can bridge by having kept Rob Morgan and Brad Peterson around - their knowledge of MS means they have 1 less thing to learn

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Hopefully, that is something we can bridge by having kept Rob Morgan and Brad Peterson around - their knowledge of MS means they have 1 less thing to learn

Rod Gibson*

[ShotgunDawg]

Corey Ellington commits to MSU

Rated an 84 by 247, but everyone is going to have to get comfortable with bad ratings this season.

Here's what I see. He's 6'3" 190 & can run with fluid movements & good burst.

I see a quality safety prospect here. I get a less hyped Tony Connor feel with him. Maybe more raw. IDK

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[ShotgunDawg]

Tennessee with it's 2nd 5 star commit this week.

Looks like they're officially back to cheating their ass off.

I just find it incredible which teams get a free pass in cheating & which don't. A&M & Tennessee have been meh for a decade yet everyone looks the other way.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Tennessee with it's 2nd 5 star commit this week.

Looks like they're officially back to cheating their ass off.

I just find it incredible which teams get a free pass in cheating & which don't. A&M & Tennessee have been meh for a decade yet everyone looks the other way.

TN never stopped recruiting well. They've been a top 12 recruiting school the last 7 years. They've had 2 Top 7 classes in that span. Only difference right now is they're having a run of top guys instead of spreading them out. This isn't new or news.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Corey Ellington commits to MSU

Rated an 84 by 247, but everyone is going to get comfortable with bad ratings this season.

Here's what I see. He's 6'3" 190 & can run with fluid movements & good burst.

I see a quality safety prospect here. I get a less hyped Tony Connor feel with him. Maybe more raw. IDK

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He shouldn't be mentioned with Tony Connor. Ellington is a very solid pickup & I like his upside. Tony Connor was arguably the best safety prospect in the country coming out of HS & a sure fire 1st rd pick before he tore his knee up. That's not fair to Ellington to compare him to that type of player. I think he more resembles Mark McLaurin coming out of HS.

[ShotgunDawg]

He shouldn't be mentioned with Tony Connor. Ellington is a very solid pickup & I like his upside. Tony Connor was arguably the best safety prospect in the country coming out of HS & a sure fire 1st rd pick before he tore his knee up. That's not fair to Ellington to compare him to that type of player. I think he more resembles Mark McLaurin coming out of HS.

Ok. Good comparison. I just mentioned Connor due to body type. Nothing else

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Ok. Good comparison. I just mentioned Connor due to body type. Nothing else

Gotcha. Tony was around 6' 215-220llbs. Ellington is a long athlete closer to 6'3".

[ShotgunDawg]

IYOK,

Looks like Tony called Gibson, the position coach, & Hughes to commit & it appears that Pounders did the same last night.

That long with position coaches having the latitude to offer players without Leach's approval makes me wonder:

How involved is Leach in recruiting & is that going hurt us in locking down major prospects?

For example: If we're battling A&M for a player & the player really only talks to his position coach at MSU & the player talks with Jimbo often, how is that going to effect us?

At what level is Leach involved? Honestly, it's such a stark contrast that I don't know what to think about it

[msu15]

I've wanted Ellington in this class whether it was as a S or WR. Too much length to pass up on when a guy can also play.

[Westdawg]

Ellington can play on either side of the ball. He is deceptively quick due to his length, good top end speed, great hands, great leverage, high points the ball, will fight for it in traffic, is very physical. Won't lie, I'd take him as a WR, but he looks really good in coverage at FS, as well.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Ellington can play on either side of the ball. He is deceptively quick due to his length, good top end speed, great hands, great leverage, high points the ball, will fight for it in traffic, is very physical. Won't lie, I'd take him as a WR, but he looks really good in coverage at FS, as well.

He's a Safety for us.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

IYOK,

Looks like Tony called Gibson, the position coach, & Hughes to commit & it appears that Pounders did the same last night.

That long with position coaches having the latitude to offer players without Leach's approval makes me wonder:

How involved is Leach in recruiting & is that going hurt us in locking down major prospects?

For example: If we're battling A&M for a player & the player really only talks to his position coach at MSU & the player talks with Jimbo often, how is that going to effect us?

At what level is Leach involved? Honestly, it's such a stark contrast that I don't know what to think about it

It's how he's always recruited it's not going to change. These kids are talking to multiple coaches also so it's not like their just talking to 1 coach. It's a group effort. The big time kids are basically talking to the whole staff. We'll see how it plays out but it's not like he doesn't talk to kids at all he's just not talking to them everyday.

[HailStateSZN19]

Nice get! Really like the combo of him and Calloway in the back end. Lots of length, athleticism, speed, and 2 dudes that will come up and hit you.

So who do we feel good about that could commit in the next month or 2? Really anxious to see which WR's jump in the boat first and to see what OOS OL we hit on. Just not many OL in-state aside from Pounders is there.

And is Buckhaulter going to be strictly a WR or could he end up at Safety too? I'd love to sign him as an ATH and figure it out when he gets on campus and sign 4-5 other strictly WR's.

Any DL we feel pretty good about?

[Todd4State]

He's a Safety for us.

Probably could play DOG or FS with his skill set.

[Hambone]

Brandon Walker made a great analysis on his podcast today about TN and their rankings. Average top 12 the last 6 years and have had what to show for it? Made the comparison Wisconsin had an average 38th ranked class and whose program would you rather have?

[ShotgunDawg]

Brandon Walker made a great analysis on his podcast today about TN and their rankings. Average top 12 the last 6 years and have had what to show for it? Made the comparison Wisconsin had an average 38th ranked class and whose program would you rather have?

I get Brandon's point, but, due to Tennessee's recruiting ability, they actually have a better chance of winning at natty than Wisky, even though Wisky is good & Tennessee is not.

It's just disappointing to see that blue bloods, no matter how bad, still recruit like they're good.

[KOdawg1]

So we have Ellington and Calloway as potential safeties, but I could see Brandon Buckhaulter playing Safety as well. It'd also open up another WR spot

[KOdawg1]

Nice get! Really like the combo of him and Calloway in the back end. Lots of length, athleticism, speed, and 2 dudes that will come up and hit you.

So who do we feel good about that could commit in the next month or 2? Really anxious to see which WR's jump in the boat first and to see what OOS OL we hit on. Just not many OL in-state aside from Pounders is there.

And is Buckhaulter going to be strictly a WR or could he end up at Safety too? I'd love to sign him as an ATH and figure it out when he gets on campus and sign 4-5 other strictly WR's.

Any DL we feel pretty good about?

Saw your post after I had already posted. I could see Buckhaulter playing safety

[Ari Gold]

Who gives a shit about Tenn. they haven’t been relevant for over a decade.... we won’t play them again until 2026 I think and if we play them before that then it’s in Atl and I like our chances if we do

[Hambone]

I only brought it up for the recruiting rankings, Ari. That’s all

[BrunswickDawg]

Rod Gibson*

Dang it - I meant Gibson

[Walkerhill]

It's how he's always recruited it's not going to change. These kids are talking to multiple coaches also so it's not like their just talking to 1 coach. It's a group effort. The big time kids are basically talking to the whole staff. We'll see how it plays out but it's not like he doesn't talk to kids at all he's just not talking to them everyday.

I like Leach but how hard is it to just get an assistant to queue you up for 30 minutes a day for recruiting calls? Especially when you know dang well that is the knock on you, fair or unfair. Just seems an odd stance from a guy that otherwise seems very astute and strategically oriented.


E

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I like Leach but how hard is it to just get an assistant to queue you up for 30 minutes a day for recruiting calls? Especially when you know dang well that is the knock on you, fair or unfair. Just seems an odd stance from a guy that otherwise seems very astute and strategically oriented.


E

Outside of Moorhead I'm not sure there is a HC who talks to kids every day.

[Bothrops]

Tennessee is tired of getting their asses kicked and have likely resorted to whatever necessary to get things rolling. It's hard to blame them, they have tried everything else and time is passing them up.

[Cooterpoot]

I like Leach but how hard is it to just get an assistant to queue you up for 30 minutes a day for recruiting calls? Especially when you know dang well that is the knock on you, fair or unfair. Just seems an odd stance from a guy that otherwise seems very astute and strategically oriented.


E

Looks like we're recruiting pretty well to me. Why change anything? Leach seems to get the QB he wants. I'm not concerned.

[Hambone]

So is it possible we get Ty Keyes?

QB all the way with him or would he even consider a different position? I know he’s a better QB than Greek, however he is also a better athlete than Greek as well.

[KOdawg1]

So is it possible we get Ty Keyes?

QB all the way with him or would he even consider a different position? I know he’s a better QB than Greek, however he is also a better athlete than Greek as well.

Wherever he goes, he's going to play QB. And I'd say it's very possible we get him

[ZedFedder]

If Keyes chooses MSU, does that mean Greek gets dropped?

[ShotgunDawg]

If Keyes chooses MSU, does that mean Greek gets dropped?

Nah, I think Leach will just take 3 & ensure that MSU will have a damn good QB

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Nah, I think Leach will just take 3 & ensure that MSU will have a damn good QB

We're not taking 3 QB's.

[ShotgunDawg]

We're not taking 3 QB's.

Ok.

So are we not getting Key or are we dropping Greek?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Ok.

So are we not getting Key or are we dropping Greek?

We're still recruiting Keyes.

[HailStateSZN19]

We're still recruiting Keyes.

IYOK, who do you currently think makes up our WR class when it’s all said and done?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

IYOK, who do you currently think makes up our WR class when it’s all said and done?

I think it's a little early to say for sure.

[HailStateSZN19]

We expecting good news today? Dave Emerick is back at it on Twitter & that usually means something is happening.

[ShotgunDawg]

We expecting good news today? Dave Emerick is back at it on Twitter & that usually means something is happening.

Looks like we're getting a new commit.

Anyone know who it is?0

[ShotgunDawg]

The new commit is Cortez Eatmon he was at a Kansas JC & has transferred to MGCCC.

He's a 6'3" 190 lb CB, which is a big ass CB.

Not sure if we are wanting him to play safety or what because if he can actually play CB effectively in the SEC at 6'3" 190, he's likely a high draft pick.

That being said, he looks really athletic twitchy.

I've never heard of this & have no clue what we've got here. He's unrated, which could be common this year & actually help us get better players assuming our staff can evaluate.

Hard for Bama, LSU, etc to not offer a mid 4 star so they can get low 3 stars & unranked players that may be better.


https://247sports.com/Video/Cortez-Eatmon-Independence-CC-2019-spring-highlights-9229765/

[HailStateSZN19]

https://twitter.com/clampgod__/status/1256698790972710912?s=21

[bulldawg28]

Man this staff are not missing a beat with talent. It's nice!

[MetEdDawg]

Kid has a solid offer sheet. Claims offers from Georgia, Auburn, and TAMU. I don't see anything from his recruitment prior to going to community college on 24/7. Usually if they go juco you can see their prior rankings out of high school.

Anyone have any idea as to what he looked like out of high school?

[ZedFedder]

He signed with an NAIA school out of high school, so it seems he was a late bloomer.

[ShotgunDawg]

Is Miller talking about Eatman or someone else?

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[ShotgunDawg]

Eatmon was just rated an 87 3 star. That seems fair with little video, but is also potentially the floor of his ranking due to him being a 6’3” CB, which is absurd.

[vv83]

Eatmon was just rated an 87 3 star. That seems fair with little video, but is also potentially the floor of his ranking due to him being a 6’3” CB, which is absurd.

Yeah he’s got Richard Sherman measurables. Don’t see that often anymore

[msu15]

Love it. Lennnggggttthhhh

[Bothrops]

Huge get. This kid is a talent for a CB.

[ZedFedder]

I don’t know if he had commitable offers from the other schools, but the fact they were interested says a lot. I won’t be surprised if this turns into a Montez Sweat situation where we got on a really good player early. Nobody knew this until he said so after he signed, but Sweat had offers from LSU and Florida. He didn’t do media so nobody knew and we got a first rounder as a three star.

[ShotgunDawg]

I don’t know if he had commitable offers from the other schools, but the fact they were interested says a lot. I won’t be surprised if this turns into a Montez Sweat situation where we got on a really good player early. Nobody knew this until he said so after he signed, but Sweat had offers from LSU and Florida. He didn’t do media so nobody knew and we got a first rounder as a three star.

This.

Looking at his video, at 6’3” he’s got good twitch and explosiveness.

With those offers, I wouldn’t be surprised at all for him to be a 4 star, but remember JUCOs have their grades decreased.

Sweat was a 3 star and Abram like a 90

[Bothrops]

I don’t know if he had commitable offers from the other schools, but the fact they were interested says a lot. I won’t be surprised if this turns into a Montez Sweat situation where we got on a really good player early. Nobody knew this until he said so after he signed, but Sweat had offers from LSU and Florida. He didn’t do media so nobody knew and we got a first rounder as a three star.

This kid is essentially at least low 4 star talent that was just given a default ranking. There are guys like this all over MS jucos. There is probably as much unknown out there as otherwise.

[Bothrops]

This.

Looking at his video, at 6’3” he’s got good twitch and explosiveness.

With those offers, I wouldn’t be surprised at all for him to be a 4 star, but remember JUCOs have their grades decreased.

Sweat was a 3 star and Abram like a 90

Vick Ballard was also a 3 star or maybe 2 star lol. Same with Chris White who should have been a consensus All American in 2010. What a damn farce.

[ShotgunDawg]

Vick Ballard was also a 3 star or maybe 2 star lol. Same with Chris White who should have been a consensus All American in 2010. What a damn farce.

Yeah. 247 struggles with JUCO guys because they’re hard to compare to a HS schooler due to age and they get far less hype.

That being said, they’re our bread and butter.

I get why they’re underrated but it is what it is. It’s also why we have the capacity to some years put a top 10 type roster on the field when our recruiting rankings say otherwise.

Our connections with the JUCO coaches allows us to evaluate these players better and quicker than other programs.

[Todd4State]

Yeah. 247 struggles with JUCO guys because they’re hard to compare to a HS schooler due to age and they get far less hype.

That being said, they’re our bread and butter.

I get why they’re underrated but it is what it is. It’s also why we have the capacity to some years put a top 10 type roster on the field when our recruiting rankings say otherwise.

Our connections with the JUCO coaches allows us to evaluate these players better and quicker than other programs.

They should just rate JUCO guys separately which I think they essentially do. But they just need to do a better job of rating them. They just don't pay attention to it because most football programs don't recruit as many as we do.

[Cooterpoot]

I don’t know if he had commitable offers from the other schools, but the fact they were interested says a lot. I won’t be surprised if this turns into a Montez Sweat situation where we got on a really good player early. Nobody knew this until he said so after he signed, but Sweat had offers from LSU and Florida. He didn’t do media so nobody knew and we got a first rounder as a three star.

Sweat was a P5 transfer. People knew he was good. He was one of the top Jucos in the country.

[MetEdDawg]

JJ Jones put out he Top 5 a little while ago and we are in it. We have a shot at him? Claims offers from Georgia, Tennessee, SC, and UNC.

[Todd4State]

Seems like 2022 and some good front seven defensive prospects to go along with the 2021 secondary prospects.

[Cooterpoot]

JJ Jones put out he Top 5 a little while ago and we are in it. We have a shot at him? Claims offers from Georgia, Tennessee, SC, and UNC.

Not likely. But a long way to go.

[ShotgunDawg]

Not likely. But a long way to go.

I just love how many quality WRs we're in on.

Makes me think that once we show the passing game on the field, we could see a 5 star WR sign with MSU within the next 3 years

[BrunswickDawg]

Y'all still worried about this staff's ability to recruit?? LOL

[ShotgunDawg]

Y'all still worried about this staff's ability to recruit?? LOL

Don't go there.

We all talked about how great Moorhead's recruiting was as well & there wasn't a penny's worth a difference between Joe's recruiting Mullen's.

Wait until the final ratings come out before deciding how good of recruiters this staff is, although that will be tough this year with the lack of ratings.

I am encouraged that their recruiting does seem to be far better than some feared due to the recruiting rankings at Wazzou

[1bigdawg]

Don't go there.

We all talked about how great Moorhead's recruiting was as well & there wasn't a penny's worth a difference between Joe's recruiting Mullen's.


I still believe Moorhead was a great recruiter. Last year was one of the worst classes for top end talent in Mississippi - which is our bread and butter - and he still ranked near the top of where Mullen did even in better years. Further, he did that with a disillusioned fan base, which is no help.

The guy was not ready to be a SEC head coach, but he was a better recruiter than Mullen.

[KOdawg1]

I still believe Moorhead was a great recruiter. Last year was one of the worst classes for top end talent in Mississippi - which is our bread and butter - and he still ranked near the top of where Mullen did even in better years. Further, he did that with a disillusioned fan base, which is no help.

The guy was not ready to be a SEC head coach, but he was a better recruiter than Mullen.

You could also argue that the previous year was the best recruiting class the state of Mississippi ever had, and he managed to let most of the big fish go out of state with OM under probation. There's no doubt Joe tried harder than Mullen and his staff. They put way more effort into it. But other than landing a few prospects that Mullen wouldn't have, I don't think it made that much of a difference. We're always going to recruit in the 20-30 range. I expect the same with Leach unless we just start taking the West by storm, which isn't impossible I guess

[ShotgunDawg]

I still believe Moorhead was a great recruiter. Last year was one of the worst classes for top end talent in Mississippi - which is our bread and butter - and he still ranked near the top of where Mullen did even in better years. Further, he did that with a disillusioned fan base, which is no help.

The guy was not ready to be a SEC head coach, but he was a better recruiter than Mullen.

Maybe but that’s based way more on your opinion vs facts

[ShotgunDawg]

You could also argue that the previous year was the best recruiting class the state of Mississippi ever had, and he managed to let most of the big fish go out of state with OM under probation. There's no doubt Joe tried harder than Mullen and his staff. They put way more effort into it. But other than landing a few prospects that Mullen wouldn't have, I don't think it made that much of a difference. We're always going to recruit in the 20-30 range.

I’m not willing to concede always.

[Cooterpoot]

Moorhead wasn't a great recruiter. He just worked harder and was more involved than Mullen. He was more likable as well (recruiting wise).

[BrunswickDawg]

Don't go there.

We all talked about how great Moorhead's recruiting was as well & there wasn't a penny's worth a difference between Joe's recruiting Mullen's.

Wait until the final ratings come out before deciding how good of recruiters this staff is, although that will be tough this year with the lack of ratings.

I am encouraged that their recruiting does seem to be far better than some feared due to the recruiting rankings at Wazzou

I disagree - there was a lot angst about "Leach doesn't care about recruiting" and "these guys haven't recruited in the SEC" etc.

Everything we have seen so far blows those theories out of the water. So now the default is "we won't know until the ranking come out". This isn't about rankings - it's about is this staff out there hitting it hard, pulling in obvious talent, filling our needs, and getting SEC caliber players or guys they feel will develop. Everything they are showing checks all the boxes. You are correct that we won't know the class results - but to me they are showing that they are at least as competent as the last two staffs about how they approach the job.

[ShotgunDawg]

I disagree - there was a lot angst about "Leach doesn't care about recruiting" and "these guys haven't recruited in the SEC" etc.

Everything we have seen so far blows those theories out of the water. So now the default is "we won't know until the ranking come out". This isn't about rankings - it's about is this staff out there hitting it hard, pulling in obvious talent, filling our needs, and getting SEC caliber players or guys they feel will develop. Everything they are showing checks all the boxes. You are correct that we won't know the class results - but to me they are showing that they are at least as competent as the last two staffs about how they approach the job.

I agree with this. I misinterpreted your original post

[BrunswickDawg]

I agree with this. I misinterpreted your original post

Well, I didn't exactly provide any context.

[Todd4State]

Moorhead wasn't a great recruiter. He just worked harder and was more involved than Mullen. He was more likable as well (recruiting wise).

I'll take trying and failing over not trying and leaving gaping holes in our roster.

[ZedFedder]

You can’t judge Moorhead on that loaded 18 class. Those relationships start being built with many of those elite guys when they are 9th and 10th graders. He had a year.

[msu15]

Maybe but that’s based way more on your opinion vs facts

Na. Moorhead's 3 classes are ranked higher than Mullen's first 3 classes.

[ShotgunDawg]

Na. Moorhead's 3 classes are ranked higher than Mullen's first 3 classes.

Are you seriously comparing what Mullen had to sell in his first three years vs what Moorhead had to sell?

Additionally, the recruiting sites rate far more players now which leads to many of those "under the Radar" types now being rated as high 3 stars, which leads to a boost in the rankings.

[Bothrops]

You could also argue that the previous year was the best recruiting class the state of Mississippi ever had, and he managed to let most of the big fish go out of state with OM under probation. There's no doubt Joe tried harder than Mullen and his staff. They put way more effort into it. But other than landing a few prospects that Mullen wouldn't have, I don't think it made that much of a difference. We're always going to recruit in the 20-30 range. I expect the same with Leach unless we just start taking the West by storm, which isn't impossible I guess

It's really hard to figure since Mullen would have been on some different recruits. Mullen definitely doesn't sign Shrader, Marks, probably not Cross and several others that Joe was on, so that could mean that Mullen could have signed top 30ish, or in the best case, around the same, or....he could have shit the bed in the rankings. Joe is more likable to kids so he was a better recruiter of the more sought after prospects than Mullen. Mullen's claim to fame is finding players that will optimize his system, regardless of rating.

[Cooterpoot]

Na. Moorhead's 3 classes are ranked higher than Mullen's first 3 classes.

That first one was Mullen's.

[ShotgunDawg]

Nussmier just committed to LSU.

He's a 91 on 247 and Robertson is a 93.

Let's see how quickly 247 bumps him above Robertson.

I'm guessing less than a week and keep in mind that there is no actual football to base that off of.

[ShotgunDawg]

After another 4 star commitment today, Tennessee now has the #1 recruiting class in the SEC.

Doesn't add up one bit. A head coach that can barely speak English is now selling himself & the program better than anyone else?

I realize Tennessee has recruited fairly well, even when bad, but this is an abnormality. Obviously something is going on.

[ejdallas322]

Will be totally different story for them once these kids are allowed to visit.

[Bothrops]

After another 4 star commitment today, Tennessee now has the #1 recruiting class in the SEC.

Doesn't add up one bit. A head coach that can barely speak English is now selling himself & the program better than anyone else?

I realize Tennessee has recruited fairly well, even when bad, but this is an abnormality. Obviously something is going on.

They got tired.

[Bothrops]

Nussmier just committed to LSU.

He's a 91 on 247 and Robertson is a 93.

Let's see how quickly 247 bumps him above Robertson.

I'm guessing less than a week and keep in mind that there is no actual football to base that off of.

Nussmier will end up 95-97 just on general principle.

[ShotgunDawg]

Nussmier will end up 95-97 just on general principle.

What do you mean?

Nuss is a 95 composite but only a 91 by 247. Robertson is a 93 by 247

[Bothrops]

What do you mean?

Nuss is a 95 composite but only a 91 by 247. Robertson is a 93 by 247

Because he's committed to LSU.

[ZedFedder]

We just got a commitment from a punter, Marshall Nichols.

[sscjr1]

We just got a commitment from a punter, Marshall Nichols.
PWO

[ShotgunDawg]

Do you guys think Kiffin is all in at Ole Miss?

I have to admit, I & I am guessing most Ole Miss fans expected him to be far more "aggre$$ive" on the recruiting trail to this point than he has been?

I think most Ole Miss fans thought they were getting Freeze 2.0 after the way Kiffin recruited at Tennessee, but thus far he hasn't shown that level of aggre$$iveness.

Just curious why you think that is?

Is it because they are still in the repeat violator window?

Is Lane trying to stay clean & get out of Oxford as quickly as possible?

Or is their lack of NFL draft success & winning just causing a lack of interest?

I have to admit that I'm kind of paying attention for when they are going to go "all in" but I haven't seen it yet.

Any thoughts here?

[KOdawg1]

Do you guys think Kiffin is all in at Ole Miss?

I have to admit, I & I am guessing most Ole Miss fans expected him to be far more "aggre$$ive" on the recruiting trail to this point than he has been?

I think most Ole Miss fans thought they were getting Freeze 2.0 after the way Kiffin recruited at Tennessee, but thus far he hasn't shown that level of aggre$$iveness.

Just curious why you think that is?

Is it because they are still in the repeat violator window?

Is Lane trying to stay clean & get out of Oxford as quickly as possible?

Or is their lack of NFL draft success & winning just causing a lack of interest?

I have to admit that I'm kind of paying attention for when they are going to go "all in" but I haven't seen it yet.

Any thoughts here?

I think Kiffin plans on bolting as soon as a big job in Cali or Florida opens up. I think he gets them back to a bowl game, and then gets tf out of dodge

[ShotgunDawg]

I think Kiffin plans on bolting as soon as a big job in Cali or Florida opens up. I think he gets them back to a bowl game, and then gets tf out of dodge

His initial actions at Ole Miss lead me to believe the same.

The thing that made Freeze so aggressive at Ole Miss IMO is that he was all in because OM was his dream job & he really was willing to sacrifice his career to win there because he completely owed OM for giving him a career in the first place.

It's just interesting. I expected a different Kiffin than what we've seen so far.

[KOdawg1]

His initial actions at Ole Miss lead me to believe the same.

The thing that made Freeze so aggressive at Ole Miss IMO is that he was all in because OM was his dream job & he really was willing to sacrifice his career to win there because he completely owed OM for giving him a career in the first place.

It's just interesting. I expected a different Kiffin than what we've seen so far.
Yeah, they thought they were getting Freeze 2.0, but Kiffin has no loyalty to Mississippi and isn't a fake preacher, so they're in for a rude awakening. He'll recruit decently and may win a little, but ultimately, this is a transition job for him.

[Todd4State]

Do you guys think Kiffin is all in at Ole Miss?

I have to admit, I & I am guessing most Ole Miss fans expected him to be far more "aggre$$ive" on the recruiting trail to this point than he has been?

I think most Ole Miss fans thought they were getting Freeze 2.0 after the way Kiffin recruited at Tennessee, but thus far he hasn't shown that level of aggre$$iveness.

Just curious why you think that is?

Is it because they are still in the repeat violator window?

Is Lane trying to stay clean & get out of Oxford as quickly as possible?

Or is their lack of NFL draft success & winning just causing a lack of interest?

I have to admit that I'm kind of paying attention for when they are going to go "all in" but I haven't seen it yet.

Any thoughts here?

No Ed Orgeron recruiting for him.

[ShotgunDawg]

No Ed Orgeron recruiting for him.

This may be completely true. Lane did recruit at Bama though & they are as bad as anyone on the recruiting trail.

[msu15]

That first one was Mullen's.

And Mullen's first one was Croom's. If you take the first class out of it the scale tips even more to Joe.

[Cooterpoot]

And Mullen's first one was Croom's. If you take the first class out of it the scale tips even more to Joe.

Not nearly as much as if effects a coach with only a couple classes. Moorhead was never a great recruiter. Dan straight sucked at it. Their recruiting results were similar.

[Todd4State]

This may be completely true. Lane did recruit at Bama though & they are as bad as anyone on the recruiting trail.

I wonder how much he really recruited at Alabama though? It's not like there was a noticeable difference in their recruiting good or bad when he was there. I would imagine that he mainly focused on QB recruiting when he was there.

[Walkerhill]

Is this the right thread to discuss gran transfer recruits?

I am wondering if we are showing interest in Rico Bussey Jr from North Texas, or any other grad transfer wr?

Busses Jr in particular seems like he would of interest, having been successful in a similar offense.

[ShotgunDawg]

Is this the right thread to discuss gran transfer recruits?

I am wondering if we are showing interest in Rico Bussey Jr from North Texas, or any other grad transfer wr?

Busses Jr in particular seems like he would of interest, having been successful in a similar offense.

yes, it's the right thread. I have no idea if we'd pursue him.

Does feel like we need 1 more WR though

[ShotgunDawg]

Tennessee just landed a 4 star QB from Texas.

I've made it clear that I believe Tennessee is cheating their asses off but in the end, it doesn't mean much for us unless they come into Mississippi or players we're on & start buying them off.

This really effects Mullen & Smart more than anyone IMO. If Tennessee become another tough game along with Kentucky getting better, Mullen is going to have his work cut out.

[Tripp McNeely]

Tennessee just landed a 4 star QB from Texas.

I've made it clear that I believe Tennessee is cheating their asses off but in the end, it doesn't mean much for us unless they come into Mississippi or players we're on & start buying them off.

This really effects Mullen & Smart more than anyone IMO. If Tennessee become another tough game along with Kentucky getting better, Mullen is going to have his work cut out.

This is the guy that Nancy claimed om ?dropped? a week or so ago. It was actually pretty funny, one of their posters called him out on it. Something to the affect of, ?So, you?re telling me that WE, ole miss, dropped the #4 dual-threat QB in the country...and not the other way around???? ...I don?t think that Nancy replied

[Bothrops]

Tennessee has absolutely gone full Hugh Freeze on recruiting. They want to win so bad now they don't care how blatant it looks.

[ShotgunDawg]

Tennessee has absolutely gone full Hugh Freeze on recruiting. They want to win so bad now they don't care how blatant it looks.

Problem is that most of the media was just old enough to remember them winning & are giving them the full benefit of the doubt. I hate it from the perspective that they can this easily get away with it, but at the same time, I'm perfectly happy with the talent being spread around to more schools. Makes for better college football & prevents any one team from being "too good"

[Todd4State]

Tennessee just landed a 4 star QB from Texas.

I've made it clear that I believe Tennessee is cheating their asses off but in the end, it doesn't mean much for us unless they come into Mississippi or players we're on & start buying them off.

This really effects Mullen & Smart more than anyone IMO. If Tennessee become another tough game along with Kentucky getting better, Mullen is going to have his work cut out.

That and I think Norvell is going to get Florida State going pretty soon. That's really bad for Mullen because he has basically had free reign in recruiting in that state for the past three years. Dan seems to always have good timing. He came to us right when Nutt was starting to decline and lost to Jacksonville State. Tennessee will get pretty close to Florida's level in a couple of years probably. Probably FSU too.

[Cooterpoot]

I'm trying to figure out why people all of a sudden think TN is going to be great anytime soon. They still have a lot of issues inside and outside of their program.

[ejdallas322]

I'm trying to figure out why people all of a sudden think TN is going to be great anytime soon. They still have a lot of issues inside and outside of their program.

They aren't, but just like everyone else, I would love to see them get caught cheating because it's just human nature to hate Tennessee.

[Todd4State]

I'm trying to figure out why people all of a sudden think TN is going to be great anytime soon. They still have a lot of issues inside and outside of their program.

I think Pruitt can get them to 8-10 wins a year. I'm not sure that they will get back to what they were in the late 90's anytime soon. They're a blueblood but their state isn't as talent rich as Georgia or Florida and without a doubt that makes it harder on them.

[ShotgunDawg]

Ole Miss loses again

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[Tripp McNeely]

Ole Miss loses again

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I would loooove to know how much cash he skimmed off of them for them to even be ?in the game? though! You know there is a bear booster that coughed up at least $50k on this one and got NOTHING to show for it!

[ShotgunDawg]

I would loooove to know how much cash he skimmed off of them for them to even be ?in the game? though! You know there is a bear booster that coughed up at least $50k on this one and got NOTHING to show for it!

I'm always interested to know how much money boosters can stomach when throwing money at players they don't get.

I totally understand collecting $100K for a guy like AJ Brown & Treadwell when you get them, but does not getting a player that they pour money into deter them from paying other guys?

[Cooterpoot]

I think Pruitt can get them to 8-10 wins a year. I'm not sure that they will get back to what they were in the late 90's anytime soon. They're a blueblood but their state isn't as talent rich as Georgia or Florida and without a doubt that makes it harder on them.

I don't think they're a blue blood anymore. The changes to NCAA football and the conference hurt them. They still have a lot of issues on that campus. They simply have a large fan base. So they get blue blood recruiting rankings bumps. They should've been around a top 10 team for years and haven't been. They'll have big years and down years. They'll never be AL or even FL or GA.

[ShotgunDawg]

I don't think they're a blue blood anymore. The changes to NCAA football and the conference hurt them. They still have a lot of issues on that campus. They simply have a large fan base. So they get blue blood recruiting rankings bumps. They should've been around a top 10 team for years and haven't been. They'll have big years and down years. They'll never be AL or even FL or GA.

Agree. I also don't think Pruitt is THE GUY

I do think he's done a good job of developing discipline & getting the culture turned around to some degree, but who knows what 2020 will bring. I just don't think he has the offensive pedigree or players to build anything that can compete with the top SEC teams.

I think Tennessee could turn into a better version of what Kentucky currently is, but I don't think that will be good enough

[Bothrops]

I'm trying to figure out why people all of a sudden think TN is going to be great anytime soon. They still have a lot of issues inside and outside of their program.

Their overdue, and the recruiting run their on right now is the strongest I've ever seen. Somebody has given them the green light

[Cooterpoot]

Their overdue, and the recruiting run their on right now is the strongest I've ever seen. Somebody has given them the green light

They'll come back to earth. With no recruiting visits etc. recruiting hasn't really fired up yet. I'm betting they don't sign the class some think they will. Still be about normal for them though.

[ShotgunDawg]

How good is the Leach offense with:

QB - Robertson
WR- Knox
WR - Coleman
WR - Nabors
WR - K Johnson
WR - Tulu
WR - Jacobi Moore
RB - Marks

[1bigdawg]

How good is the Leach offense with:

QB - Robertson
WR- Knox
WR - Coleman
WR - Nabors
WR - K Johnson
WR - Tulu
WR - Jacobi Moore
RB - Marks

Looks great, but we've got to have a good line to go with them.

[KOdawg1]

Looks great, but we've got to have a good line to go with them.
You've got a young OL core of

LT- Cross
LG- Pendley
C- Cole Smith
RG- Cunningham
RT Dolla Bill