THE 2020 MSU Football Recruiting Talk Thread

[Ifyouonlyknew]

After watching and asking around a little bit, Adams is one of the fastest players in the state. He will blow up this summer in 7 on 7

Before then. Auburn offered today.

[MetEdDawg]

Before then. Auburn offered today.

So what you're telling me is our staff and Moorhead has zero problem identifying and evaluating talent. Just good to keep that little nugget around when people say Mullen could evaluate talent better or that Moorhead is having trouble recruiting. Seems like he's evaluating talent just fine.

I think that's important for us to note.

[jacksondawg]

E Jai Mason just decommitted https://twitter.com/xxspiffyyej/status/1097692281128275968

[sscjr1]

E Jai Mason just decommitted https://twitter.com/xxspiffyyej/status/1097692281128275968

Good grief

[msstate7]

E Jai Mason just decommitted https://twitter.com/xxspiffyyej/status/1097692281128275968

Who offered him recently?

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

This isn’t a deep class, are we going to be able to keep the top ones in state?

[bulldawg28]

Instate or out of state it doesn't matter. Just bring in SEC playmakers.

[KOdawg1]

E Jai Mason just decommitted https://twitter.com/xxspiffyyej/status/1097692281128275968

This is why commitments don't mean crap until closer to NSD. Way too early for these kids to make these decisions.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I think E. Jai situation turns out like Jarrian. Let the kid go out see what's out there. I expect him to come back home.

[Bothrops]

E Jai Mason just decommitted https://twitter.com/xxspiffyyej/status/1097692281128275968

Wonder how many current commits will sign with us, one...two? Then we have people complaining that these guys aren't good enough for us to pursue. This business gotten plum pitiful.

[MaroonFlounder]

Say goodbye to Jai.

I called it when he committed, that he would de commit.

And the reason is....there is somebody within the Clinton school that hates MSU and is in kid's ears.

Don't ever get excited about a Clinton commit.

[bulldog2488]

Say goodbye to Jai.

I called it when he committed, that he would de commit.

And the reason is....there is somebody within the Clinton school that hates MSU and is in kid's ears.

Don't ever get excited about a Clinton commit.

I know I never post, so call me a troll if you want, but you're wrong on this. Say what you want about the Cam situation. There was some truth to that one about steering him away from State, but nobody is in kids' ears in Clinton steering them away from State now.

[Uncle Ruckus]

I know I never post, so call me a troll if you want, but you're wrong on this. Say what you want about the Cam situation. There was some truth to that one about steering him away from State, but nobody is in kids' ears in Clinton steering them away from State now.
Judd isn't directly steering them away from state as far as I know, but he is influencing their decisions. He is a huge OM guy. The Cam Akers year was the last year that they allowed HS coaches to join college staffs without it affecting their kids signing with them, and Judd had already agreed with OM for an off the field position if Akers signed. Yancy is an idiot and wrong more times than not, but he was right about this. Everyone thought Akers was signing as late as that day. His coaches thought he was committing to ole miss until he said FSU.

[Cooterpoot]

The Judd stuff is way, way overblown. Has nothing to do with Jai.

[bulldog2488]

Judd isn't directly steering them away from state as far as I know, but he is influencing their decisions. He is a huge OM guy. The Cam Akers year was the last year that they allowed HS coaches to join college staffs without it affecting their kids signing with them, and Judd had already agreed with OM for an off the field position if Akers signed. Yancy is an idiot and wrong more times than not, but he was right about this. Everyone thought Akers was signing as late as that day. His coaches thought he was committing to ole miss until he said FSU.

You're right in that there was a supposed deal for Judd to take a job at Ole Miss if Cam signed, but that of course didn't happen. All I'm saying is that the Judd steering kids to Ole Miss and away from State is a overblown. There isn't a conspiracy in Clinton schools against State. Believe me. I would know.

[bulldog2488]

The Judd stuff is way, way overblown. Has nothing to do with Jai.

Exactly. People have taken the situation with Cam to think that there is a conspiracy in Clinton against State. That just isn't the case and stretching the truth by a lot.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Saw where Jai was offered by FSU. Who on that staff is connected to Mississippi?

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

You're right in that there was a supposed deal for Judd to take a job at Ole Miss if Cam signed, but that of course didn't happen. All I'm saying is that the Judd steering kids to Ole Miss and away from State is a overblown. There isn't a conspiracy in Clinton schools against State. Believe me. I would know.

So you expect people to believe that he doesn't steer kids when it's widely "suspected" that he had a deal in place if he delivered Cam to ole miss? Yeah I'm sure he's on the up and up.

[bulldog2488]

So you expect people to believe that he doesn't steer kids when it's widely "suspected" that he had a deal in place if he delivered Cam to ole miss? Yeah I'm sure he's on the up and up.

I get what you're saying, but what I'm saying is that it was an isolated case with Cam. To say that he is actively steering kids away State and to Ole Miss is exaggerated. I'm not saying I like the guy by any means, but there isn't a conspiracy at Clinton High School against State is my bigger point.

[Homedawg]

So you expect people to believe that he doesn't steer kids when it's widely "suspected" that he had a deal in place if he delivered Cam to ole miss? Yeah I'm sure he's on the up and up.

If judd were such a huge factor, then why is Cam at FSU and not Ole Miss then? I mean, people keep saying he pushed Cam to Ole Miss and he had a job if so, which might be true. But at the end of the day he didn't sign w ole miss, therefore, if he's pushing them there, he clearly isn't the influence on them that some here believe.

[timotheus]

Ole Miss had Akers"all paid up" but FSU really came through with the nice stack of chip$ in the end. He got the best from both but now he's on a sucky team anyway.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

If judd were such a huge factor, then why is Cam at FSU and not Ole Miss then? I mean, people keep saying he pushed Cam to Ole Miss and he had a job if so, which might be true. But at the end of the day he didn't sign w ole miss, therefore, if he's pushing them there, he clearly isn't the influence on them that some here believe.

I'm not stating Judd has that stroke. Even if Cam didn't go there, can't Judd still push him to ole miss? Both can exist at the same time. Funny how State was never in it from the start.

[bulldog2488]

I'm not stating Judd has that stroke. Even if Cam didn't go there, can't Judd still push him to ole miss? Both can exist at the same time. Funny how State was never in it from the start.

The reason State wasn't in it was because of Mullen. It wasn't because of Judd. Just saying.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Say goodbye to Jai.

I called it when he committed, that he would de commit.

And the reason is....there is somebody within the Clinton school that hates MSU and is in kid's ears.

Don't ever get excited about a Clinton commit.

I do think there is someone at Clinton who has it out for us but you are jumping the gun to say he is gone. Relax it will work out

[Doggie_Style]

I do think there is someone at Clinton who has it out for us but you are jumping the gun to say he is gone. Relax it will work out

Yes it will 'work out' but if you look at our history with decommits it doesn't give you a warm and fuzzy if you want E. Jai Mason in this class. In the last five years only 14% of our decommits ended up signing with us. If you look at just 4* recruits that number drops to 11%. We need to be looking elsewhere to fill that spot and we are.

[LibraryDawg]

Do we expect any commits at this weekend's Junior Day?

[Jack Lambert]

I do think there is someone at Clinton who has it out for us but you are jumping the gun to say he is gone. Relax it will work out

Find out who they are. Then find out where they went to college. Then turn them into the NCAA. You never know.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

The reason State wasn't in it was because of Mullen. It wasn't because of Judd. Just saying.

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[msu15]

https://i.imgur.com/Ju4pPKX.gif

Huge side bar, but that promo from the Rock is classic and was a great precursor to what was coming for his career!

[bulldog2488]

https://i.imgur.com/Ju4pPKX.gif

You don't agree with me. Got it. Cool.

[msstate7]

You don't agree with me. Got it. Cool.

Maybe he is just tired (like me) of everything being blamed on Mullen.

[bulldog2488]

Maybe he is just tired (like me) of everything being blamed on Mullen.

I'm not going to get personal because it wouldn't be ethical on a public message board, but I'm close to that situation. The main reason we were never in it was because Mullen comes off as a jerk. Yes, Judd played a part in steering Cam away from State and possibly to OM in that specific situation, as I've already admitted, but again there is no conspiracy against State at Clinton High School. That's all I'm going to say about it. Not trying to argue with anyone here. I'm just telling you what I know to be true.

[RezDog7]

I'm not going to get personal because it wouldn't be ethical on a public message board, but I'm close to that situation. The main reason we were never in it was because Mullen comes off as a jerk. Yes, Judd played a part in steering Cam away from State and possibly to OM in that specific situation, as I've already admitted, but again there is no conspiracy against State at Clinton High School. That's all I'm going to say about it. Not trying to argue with anyone here. I'm just telling you what I know to be true.

Judd, is that you?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Maybe he is just tired (like me) of everything being blamed on Mullen.

Who's blamed everything on Mullen?

[msstate7]

Who's blamed everything on Mullen?

We didn't get Akers bc of Mullen

Our recruiting sucked bc of Mullen

Fitz didn't fit Moorhead's offense bc Mullen didn't teach him to read defenses.

We didn't beat OM enough bc of Mullen.

Etc

Etc

Etc

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We didn't get Akers bc of Mullen

Our recruiting sucked bc of Mullen

Fitz didn't fit Moorhead's offense bc Mullen didn't teach him to read defenses.

We didn't beat OM enough bc of Mullen.

Etc

Etc

Etc

Well while Mullen was the HC wouldn't 1, 2, & 4 be because of Mullen? He was the HC. The same way you're placing all the blame on Moorhead for this season Bc he's the HC. Am I missing something? After you answer we can get back to 2020 recruiting or you can answer in a separate thread.

[Ari Gold]

We didn't get Akers bc of Mullen

Our recruiting sucked bc of Mullen

Fitz didn't fit Moorhead's offense bc Mullen didn't teach him to read defenses.

We didn't beat OM enough bc of Mullen.

Etc

Etc

Etc

Find where anyone said we didn’t Akers because of Mullen
Saying Mullen was an asshole and didn’t like recruiting that’s prerty much fact
Saying Mullen had been whoring us out the last 5 years he was here . Fact
The reading a defense. I think Fitz was the one that basically said that .
Saying Mullen quit on his team his last year after Bama . Fact

Saying Mullen turned the program around and got us to heights on national level like no other . Also Fact.

It’s more like some of you can’t get on board with this coach and staff and keep bringing up Mullen.

[msstate7]

Well while Mullen was the HC wouldn't 1, 2, & 4 be because of Mullen? He was the HC. The same way you're placing all the blame on Moorhead for this season Bc he's the HC. Am I missing something? After you answer we can get back to 2020 recruiting or you can answer in a separate thread.

Our recruiting didn't suck bc of Mullen. It sucks bc of who we are and the conf we're in. I didn't need inside info to know you guys were wrong on that fantasy of a top 15 finish... hell, I said at the time we'd be where we always are

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Our recruiting didn't suck bc of Mullen. It sucks bc of who we are and the conf we're in. I didn't need inside info to know you guys were wrong on that fantasy of a top 15 finish... hell, I said at the time we'd be where we always are

So because of this you should never complain about Moorhead recruiting also correct?

[msstate7]

So because of this you should never complain about Moorhead recruiting also correct?

I'm much more concerned with his crappy offense than his recruiting. I think his offense needs a talent advantage to run well, and we will never have that with any consistency in our conference. Look at this season, when we had a talent advantage, we rolled on offense. When we were at a deficit or equal, we sputtered

[Ari Gold]

So because of this you should never complain about Moorhead recruiting also correct?


Well played ..
that ends that conversation..

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I'm much more concerned with his crappy offense than his recruiting. I think his offense needs a talent advantage to run well, and we will never have that with any consistency in our conference.

So because of this you should never complain about Moorhead recruiting also correct?

[bulldog2488]

Judd, is that you?

Haha nope. Just someone trying to clear up the false narrative out there about a conspiracy currently going on at Clinton High School to steer kids away from State.

[msstate7]

So because of this you should never complain about Moorhead recruiting also correct?

"I'll make this statement because I'm not gonna stick around for the melt & complaining. Im not running or hiding it's the internet. I'm in too good of a mood this morning. We missed a great chance this class to really make a mark. This class isn't a failure or bust but it's definitely not the big class we wanted or more importantly needed. This is recruiting it's not for the weak. I'll be disappointed today but tomorrow I'll be right back looking at 2020 guys. Recruiting is my passion not my life so I won't be losing my mind over it (Sorry Shotgun). People have every right to be disappointed. I said wait til the end & if the class isn't up to par by all means go off. Well go off guys. Later!"

This was you. Even you say it was a subpar class, but mad that I complain

[Ifyouonlyknew]

"I'll make this statement because I'm not gonna stick around for the melt & complaining. Im not running or hiding it's the internet. I'm in too good of a mood this morning. We missed a great chance this class to really make a mark. This class isn't a failure or bust but it's definitely not the big class we wanted or more importantly needed. This is recruiting it's not for the weak. I'll be disappointed today but tomorrow I'll be right back looking at 2020 guys. Recruiting is my passion not my life so I won't be losing my mind over it (Sorry Shotgun). People have every right to be disappointed. I said wait til the end & if the class isn't up to par by all means go off. Well go off guys. Later!"

This was you. Even you say it was a subpar class, but mad that I complain

You still haven't answered my question. Where did I get mad at you for complaining? I believe I've even said I have no problem with how you post that we just see things differently. So for the 3rd time "SO BECAUSE OF THIS YOU SHOULD NEVER COMPLAIN ABOUT MOORHEAD RECRUITING ALSO CORRECT"?

[msstate7]

You still haven't answered my question. Where did I get mad at you for complaining? I believe I've even said I have no problem with how you post that we just see things differently. So for the 3rd time "SO BECAUSE OF THIS YOU SHOULD NEVER COMPLAIN ABOUT MOORHEAD RECRUITING ALSO CORRECT"?

I complain on his recruiting bc I feel we were sold a bill of goods on his elite recruiting. If he steps up the offense this year, I'll have much less concerns with recruiting. I wanna see this offense work against a team equal in talent or more talented. Until that happens, I think we have to recruit much better to get 8-9 wins consistently

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I complain on his recruiting bc I feel we were sold a bill of goods on his elite recruiting. If he steps up the offense this year, I'll have much less concerns with recruiting. I wanna see this offense work against a team equal in talent or more talented. Until that happens, I think we have to recruit much better to get 8-9 wins consistently

But how can you complain about this elite recruiting when you yourself said you knew it couldn't happen? Not Bc of Moorhead but Bc of MSU. We'll always recruit in the same area. Those are your words way back before the class was even halfway finished. So you weren't sold a bill of goods because you didn't buy it. So how can you complain about being duped when you said you didn't believe what was being said. But we've taken up too much space on the recruiting board with this. You shouldn't complain about recruiting though because in your words "it's not Mullen/Moorhead fault it's because of MSU & the conference we're in". Now back to 2020 recruiting.

[ScoobaDawg]

Well played ..
that ends that conversation..

We only wish...

[msstate7]

We only wish...

Sorry, I get sidetracked easily haha

[GeorgeKaplan]

Sorry, I get sidetracked easily haha

Haha

[RezDog7]

I'm much more concerned with his crappy offense than his recruiting. I think his offense needs a talent advantage to run well, and we will never have that with any consistency in our conference. Look at this season, when we had a talent advantage, we rolled on offense. When we were at a deficit or equal, we sputtered

Just like Mullen never beat a team that had more talent, got it.

[msstate7]

Just like Mullen never beat a team that had more talent, got it.

We were more talented than LSU in 2017?

[Okrastar1]

Recruiting thread? Did I take a wrong turn into a who gives a F rant and bitch session of Mullen? Please Dear 6lb 8oz baby Jesus LET IT GO!!! Please only use this for recruiting! Make it bannable to go off on tangents on this thread please!!! Some of the stuff that winds up here, really!

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Nm

[Ifyouonlyknew]

MSU 2nd Jr Day this Saturday

[Bdawg]

MSU 2nd Jr Day this Saturday

Do we know how many and who yet?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Do we know how many and who yet?

Will be more out of state & probably close to 100 kids.

[Okrastar1]

Out of state is where we are gonna have to make our nut this year, gonna be tough with a lesser in state class, hopefully our ties outside the state have really grown.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Out of state is where we are gonna have to make our nut this year, gonna be tough with a lesser in state class, hopefully our ties outside the state have really grown.

Instate isn't 2019 but it's a very solid crop.

[BhamDawg205]

Instate isn't 2019 but it's a very solid crop.

I know RB is lite in MS, but Dantariyus Cannon for West Point as a workhorse. He carried WP at times, sorta like Murphy.

http://www.maxpreps.com/m/career/gendersport/stats.aspx?careerid=cddf4dbf-eda1-e711-93f8-ecf4bbe7be14&ssid=c3d47049-daf2-47e3-8a8e-1e4552d8a797

[Ari Gold]

MSU 2nd Jr Day this Saturday

Weather this weekend may be a factor here and the numbers may not be as high as hoped..

[MaroonFlounder]

Alex Adams just tweeted he's 100% committed, but his recruitment is still open.

Perfect.

MSU will not get top WRs until we show an explosive passing game on the field. It is what it is.

His recent offers are Aub, LSU and TN.

[msu15]

Alex Adams just tweeted he's 100% committed, but his recruitment is still open.

Perfect.

MSU will not get top WRs until we show an explosive passing game on the field. It is what it is.

His recent offers are Aub, LSU and TN.

Dawg

[Doggie_Style]

Alex Adams just tweeted he's 100% committed, but his recruitment is still open.

Perfect.

MSU will not get top WRs until we show an explosive passing game on the field. It is what it is.

His recent offers are Aub, LSU and TN.

......and we won't show an explosive passing game until we get top receivers....catch(drop)22

[Cooterpoot]

Alex Adams just tweeted he's 100% committed, but his recruitment is still open.

Perfect.

MSU will not get top WRs until we show an explosive passing game on the field. It is what it is.

His recent offers are Aub, LSU and TN.

And none of those throw the ball worth a crap either.

[msstate7]

And none of those throw the ball worth a crap either.

LSU puts WRs in the nfl every year though

[Bothrops]

LSU, Bama, and now Clemson get the best receiver talent in the country every year. It's far too early to be counting on any commit, if you wear maroon.

[Cooterpoot]

I don’t see great LSU WRs all over the NFL.

[MetEdDawg]

I don’t see great LSU WRs all over the NFL.

Odell Beckham, Jarvis Landry, and Russell Shepard are a good start. Then recently drafted DJ Chark. Brandon LaFell has a solid career, Reuben Randle, Malachi Dupre.

Not bad names. Lots of highly recruited guys to start off with. But lots of recognizable names.

[Doggie_Style]

Looking like Kareem Walker may not make it to State....we desperately need to add a couple of quality RBs in this class

[msstate7]

I don’t see great LSU WRs all over the NFL.

Maybe not great, except for a few, but they've had 18 WRs drafed since 2000. I'd think that was tops or damn close to best in the country

[bulldawg28]

Looking like Kareem Walker may not make it to State....we desperately need to add a couple of quality RBs in this class

How so? He was a qualifier out of highschool and went to juco. He doesn't have to graduate juco to qualify.

[Bothrops]

Looking like Kareem Walker may not make it to State....we desperately need to add a couple of quality RBs in this class

What are you hearing?

[Doggie_Style]

How so? He was a qualifier out of highschool and went to juco. He doesn't have to graduate juco to qualify.

That?s true but there is still a requirement for hours and GPA...his tweet that he was looking to transfer to a different JUCO doesn?t give you a warm and fuzzy

[Hambone]

How so? He was a qualifier out of highschool and went to juco. He doesn't have to graduate juco to qualify.

Yes he does, if he didn’t, then he could have signed and enrolled in January.

[Tripp McNeely]

Don’t we have a pretty big junior day going on?

[bulldawg28]

Yes he does, if he didn’t, then he could have signed and enrolled in January.


Unless the rules have changed your wrong in regards to graduation.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

2 instate OL likely get offers today. Calvin McMillan from Houston & Kahlil Benson from Southhaven.

[Todd4State]

2 instate OL likely get offers today. Calvin McMillan from Houston & Kahlil Benson from Southhaven.

How do you feel about our chances of getting commitments from them?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

How do you feel about our chances of getting commitments from them?

Really good on McMillan. I know Benson is high on OM also.

[ScoobaDawg]

That?s true but there is still a requirement for hours and GPA...his tweet that he was looking to transfer to a different JUCO doesn?t give you a warm and fuzzy

what the hell are you talking about? what tweet?
https://twitter.com/_KareemWalker/with_replies?lang=en

[Doggie_Style]

what the hell are you talking about? what tweet?
https://twitter.com/_KareemWalker/with_replies?lang=en

He has now deleted it....he?s got academic issues, hopefully he can stay the the course

[Homedawg]

I don?t see great LSU WRs all over the NFL.

Obj and Landry are pretty legit. He didn't say great... but one of those qualifies and the other is in the top 25% for sure.

[Homedawg]

That?s true but there is still a requirement for hours and GPA...his tweet that he was looking to transfer to a different JUCO doesn?t give you a warm and fuzzy

Ok I'll say it, he was a reach at best. He's not a good player. I get it we need some bodies but he's not good. And yet we've save multiple scholarships for the transfer portal. At least we got a punter smh....

[Ifyouonlyknew]

2 instate OL likely get offers today. Calvin McMillan from Houston & Kahlil Benson from Southhaven.

Sound like Benson was very excited about the offer.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Ok I'll say it, he was a reach at best. He's not a good player. I get it we need some bodies but he's not good. And yet we've save multiple scholarships for the transfer portal. At least we got a punter smh....

If State signed him out of high school the recruiting rankings cult on here would have erected a statue in his honor. He was one of the most highly touted HS RBs in the nation. Give him a chance before you down him, he's had some personal issues to deal with. I like him not like we were loaded at RB anyway

[Ari Gold]

Ok I'll say it, he was a reach at best. He's not a good player. I get it we need some bodies but he's not good. And yet we've save multiple scholarships for the transfer portal. At least we got a punter smh....

Unless a transfer was going to enroll in the spring time isn’t a real issue here .. there is still plenty of time and plenty of guys out there that have yet to make a decision . Just get them in by the summer

[Bothrops]

Ok I'll say it, he was a reach at best. He's not a good player. I get it we need some bodies but he's not good. And yet we've save multiple scholarships for the transfer portal. At least we got a punter smh....

I'm not sure what all his problems are, but he's got plenty ability.

[Homedawg]

I'm not sure what all his problems are, but he's got plenty ability.

It's not been seen in a college or juco field though. Potential? Maybe. Not a fan. Hope I'm wrong.

[Bothrops]

It's not been seen in a college or juco field though. Potential? Maybe. Not a fan. Hope I'm wrong.

I'm not sure how much he got to play in college.

[Homedawg]

I'm not sure how much he got to play in college.

Exactly......

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I know Jo'Quavious Marks is the #1 RB target but if we take 2 or miss on Marks then Jahmyr Gibbs is my clear cut #2.

https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Jahmyr-Gibbs-126588/RecruitInterests/

[BhamDawg205]

I know Jo'Quavious Marks is the #1 RB target but if we take 2 or miss on Marks then Jahmyr Gibbs is my clear cut #2.

https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Jahmyr-Gibbs-126588/RecruitInterests/

He'll offer 53 too... OG/C. This guy has a no quit motor. Don't know his measurables, but he's pulling from both positions. Always seems to be around those big runs.

[Bothrops]

Exactly......

Not for ability, for other reasons.

[Homedawg]

Not for ability, for other reasons.

He averaged 3.2 yards a rush in junior college! 7 games 64 carries. So less than 10 carries a game.

[msbulldog]

I hope he get's his grades together and comes here. If he can't cut it, he will get cut. We have lost that scholly, if he doesn't show up.

[Bothrops]

He averaged 3.2 yards a rush in junior college! 7 games 64 carries. So less than 10 carries a game.

I'm not sure what was going on there. He's 220 and can run well.

[ScoobaDawg]

I'm kinda laughing all y'all wanted this thread to be for bitching and recruiting and whatever and now it's dead. Wooohoo we are ranked #10 now!!! Our 3 unranked commits were changed to 3 stars so we got a big bump.

[KOdawg1]

I'm kinda laughing all y'all wanted this thread to be for bitching and recruiting and whatever and now it's dead. Wooohoo we are ranked #10 now!!! Our 3 unranked commits were changed to 3 stars so we got a big bump.

the thread last year did too at times. We've still got 330 days of this cycle.

[msu15]

I'm kinda laughing all y'all wanted this thread to be for bitching and recruiting and whatever and now it's dead. Wooohoo we are ranked #10 now!!! Our 3 unranked commits were changed to 3 stars so we got a big bump.

I hear ya brother but there hasn't been much going on lately.

[msstate7]

I'm kinda laughing all y'all wanted this thread to be for bitching and recruiting and whatever and now it's dead. Wooohoo we are ranked #10 now!!! Our 3 unranked commits were changed to 3 stars so we got a big bump.

You want me to stir some crap up? Bc I will haha

[BuckyIsAB****]

I'm kinda laughing all y'all wanted this thread to be for bitching and recruiting and whatever and now it's dead. Wooohoo we are ranked #10 now!!! Our 3 unranked commits were changed to 3 stars so we got a big bump.

Things will pick up after spring ball and in the summer

[PMDawg]

I know Jo'Quavious Marks is the #1 RB target but if we take 2 or miss on Marks then Jahmyr Gibbs is my clear cut #2.

https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Jahmyr-Gibbs-126588/RecruitInterests/

What's the story on Marks? I mean, what's our in with a blue chip from Atlanta - why is he high on us at this point? I'm glad he is - it's just a bit unusual.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

What's the story on Marks? I mean, what's our in with a blue chip from Atlanta - why is he high on us at this point? I'm glad he is - it's just a bit unusual.

There is no "in" really. The staff has just done a great job of recruiting him & making him a priority. It also doesn't hurt that this class is exceptionally deep at RB.

[HoopsDawg]

There is no "in" really. The staff has just done a great job of recruiting him & making him a priority. It also doesn't hurt that this class is exceptionally deep at RB.

IYOK, could we just not gain traction with anyone in the transfer portal? I'm disappointed we couldn't find a RB, DT or a WR. Any news on that front?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

IYOK, could we just not gain traction with anyone in the transfer portal? I'm disappointed we couldn't find a RB, DT or a WR. Any news on that front?

I don't see us looking for a grad RB. I still expect us to look for a DT & WR after the spring.

[Homedawg]

I don't see us looking for a grad RB. I still expect us to look for a DT & WR after the spring.

I love your info, it's spot on 95% of the time. But, Stop w this. We aren't getting a dt or wr that's going to make a difference So there's that

[HoopsDawg]

I don't see us looking for a grad RB. I still expect us to look for a DT & WR after the spring.

Are we rolling with Witherspoon as our 3rd stringer? Risky bc I think Hill has durability questions.

[bulldawg28]

I love your info, it's spot on 95% of the time. But, Stop w this. We aren't getting a dt or wr that's going to make a difference So there's that

He said going after.

[Hambone]

Alec Murphy is back at RB. He’ll be out 3rd string if Witherspoon needs a year.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I love your info, it's spot on 95% of the time. But, Stop w this. We aren't getting a dt or wr that's going to make a difference So there's that

I'm sorry where did I say we were getting a grad transfer? He asked were we still looking for 1.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Are we rolling with Witherspoon as our 3rd stringer? Risky bc I think Hill has durability questions.

Walker should be 3rd string

[HoopsDawg]

Walker should be 3rd string

Ok, thx. I didn't think he was going to make it.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Ok, thx. I didn't think he was going to make it.

He has some online classes to finish up but he should be here sometime this summer.

[Cowbell]

I'm sorry where did I say we were getting a grad transfer? He asked were we still looking for 1.

Thanks for answering the question - I too was wondering.

Is Witherspoon on campus yet and practicing?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Thanks for answering the question - I too was wondering.

Is Witherspoon on campus yet and practicing?

He'll be here in June

[Lord McBuckethead]

Witherspoon for me is going to the one to watch for. He could explode on the scene in a big way. Huge ceiling as he matures and gains experience. But at the same time we need him to come in and use year 1 to get all of that behind him so he can be full go year 2.

[Todd4State]

Witherspoon for me is going to the one to watch for. He could explode on the scene in a big way. Huge ceiling as he matures and gains experience. But at the same time we need him to come in and use year 1 to get all of that behind him so he can be full go year 2.

Yeah. By the time he is a senior I think he is going to be someone that everyone says "how did we miss this guy?" around the SEC. I'm sure we will probably redshirt him while letting him get his 3 games in.

[Todd4State]

Walker should be 3rd string

I hope he is a big surprise. We'll see. Low risk high reward guy IMO given how recruiting went down for us at the RB spot this year.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I hope he is a big surprise. We'll see. Low risk high reward guy IMO given how recruiting went down for us at the RB spot this year.

I think we're all hoping whatever he showed in HS to be rated that high comes out but I'm treating him like Kilby-Lane until he shows otherwise.

[Doggie_Style]

I think we're all hoping whatever he showed in HS to be rated that high comes out but I'm treating him like Kilby-Lane until he shows otherwise.

I agree...I'm also not convinced that Witherspoon is an SEC back but I like him at DB if it goes that way. In any case we must get some good ones this year. March is such a slow month for recruiting. We had a good April last year so I look forward to some movement in a few weeks.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I agree...I'm also not convinced that Witherspoon is an SEC back but I like him at DB if it goes that way. In any case we must get some good ones this year. March is such a slow month for recruiting. We had a good April last year so I look forward to some movement in a few weeks.

Yea Witherspoon is such a wild card because he's only played RB 1 year. I know he's a SEC athlete I don't know if he's a SEC RB. Yea I expect recruiting to pick back up here soon too. More kids will start back visiting starting next week leading up to the spring game.

[maroonmania]

Witherspoon has all kinds of untapped potential IMO. Had he played RB his entire HS career and put up even close to the stats his other years he did his SR year he would have been a top recruit.

[sscjr1]

New commitment
https://247sports.com/Player/Tre-Lawson-88156/

[ScoobaDawg]

New commitment
https://247sports.com/Player/Tre-Lawson-88156/

Thanks Ill link him up tonight.

[sscjr1]

Thanks Ill link him up tonight.
Know anything about him?

[Liverpooldawg]

Who is it?

[RocketDawg]

Can you explain the bell ringing? Is it a Tweet or what?

[Commercecomet24]

Juco DE Tre Lawson. Was at fsu before going to juco

[ScoobaDawg]

For all newest recruiting news. check the recruiting post and thread. He's been linked up already.

[HoopsDawg]

Juco DE Tre Lawson. Was at fsu before going to juco

nice!

[Liverpooldawg]

The tweet I saw was a Sip to State. Is this him or is it a Mississippi HS kid?

[Commercecomet24]

The tweet I saw was a Sip to State. Is this him or is it a Mississippi HS kid?

He was at mgccc this past season.

[Hambone]

Bell has been rung twice. Who’s the other?

[sscjr1]

And another
https://247sports.com/Player/Calvin-McMillian-46059086/

[ScoobaDawg]

10 in the boat. Up to #7 in the rankings.

Story on 3* OL - Calvin McMillian
https://247sports.com/college/mississippi-state/Article/2020-Offensive-Lineman-Calvin-McMillian-Commits-to-Mississippi-State-130443892/

Story on Unranked JUCO - Tre Lawson
https://247sports.com/college/mississippi-state/Article/2020-Juco-DE-Tre-Lawson-Talks-Mississippi-State-Decision-130439818/

[ShotgunDawg]

10 in the boat. Up to #7 in the rankings.

Story on 3* OL - Calvin McMillian
https://247sports.com/college/mississippi-state/Article/2020-Offensive-Lineman-Calvin-McMillian-Commits-to-Mississippi-State-130443892/

Story on Unranked JUCO - Tre Lawson
https://247sports.com/college/mississippi-state/Article/2020-Juco-DE-Tre-Lawson-Talks-Mississippi-State-Decision-130439818/

Hopefully we are evaluating the well & these guys end up getting bumps in the Summer

[Jack Lambert]

And another
https://247sports.com/Player/Calvin-McMillian-46059086/

Was Chris Jones from the same high school?

[DeputyDawg94]

Was Chris Jones from the same high school?
Yes

[bulldawg28]

Hopefully we are evaluating the well & these guys end up getting bumps in the Summer

Nobody cares about a ranking bump. Coaches recruit players not media evaluation stars

[MetEdDawg]

Joe ringing the bell again 25 minutes ago on Twitter. Any ideas?

[ZedFedder]

Armondous Cooley, a DT from Wayne County.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Look for McMillan to blow up over the summer and next year. Great find and a great get for us. He is very talented. Huge frame

[sscjr1]

Armondous Cooley, a DT from Wayne County.
https://247sports.com/Player/Armondous-Cooley-46081580/

[Ari Gold]

Look for McMillan to blow up over the summer and next year. Great find and a great get for us. He is very talented. Huge frame

Agree won’t blow up like Cross , but will prob end up a solid 4 and end up the best OL prospect in the State

[Ari Gold]

Trey Benson should be in sooner than later , but he is also about to blow up and get lots of P5 offers
Told he has basically committed but wants to take visits still might make it up public but expect him to take visits .. basically like Pickering did this year ..

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Look for McMillan to blow up over the summer and next year. Great find and a great get for us. He is very talented. Huge frame

I like McMillan & expect him to get more offers but I think Kahlil Benson is the instate OL with the potential to really blow up over the next year.

[jacksondawg]

Does anyone know anything about the 2 DL that committed this weekend? Haven't heard their names come up until they committed.

[Ari Gold]

I like McMillan & expect him to get more offers but I think Kahlil Benson is the instate OL with the potential to really blow up over the next year.

Yes Kahili will be there as well.
Locking up both he and McMillan would be huge

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Does anyone know anything about the 2 DL that committed this weekend? Haven't heard their names come up until they committed.

I don't know much on Lawson. I really like Cooley. I think he can/will be the best DL instate by December. He has athleticism at the position no one in the state has.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Yes Kahili will be there as well.
Locking up both he and McMillan would be huge

Yep add Xavier Hill & that's 3 SEC level OL locked up instate. That's huge.

[Ari Gold]

Not saying Lawson is Sweat by any means
But if you put them side by side ( same time in career ) he looks exactly like Sweat
He won?t run a sub 4.4 but he might end up being really good

[msu15]

Yes Kahili will be there as well.
Locking up both he and McMillan would be huge

Bring them all in, we need them.

[Commercecomet24]

Not saying Lawson is Sweat by any means
But if you put them side by side ( same time in career ) he looks exactly like Sweat
He won?t run a sub 4.4 but he might end up being really good

Yeah dude is listed at 6'7" 250 and very athletic. Prototypical defensive end type.

[Commercecomet24]

Yep add Xavier Hill & that's 3 SEC level OL locked up instate. That's huge.

JoMo and staff are getting after it on the recruiting trail. Say what you want but this staff recruits hard and leaves no stone unturned. Also the relationships they're building with HS staffs right now will pay huge dividends.

[MetEdDawg]

Anyone know anything about Carter Bonds. Just put up a pretty decent score at The Opening in atlanta. Finished ahead of a bunch of guys that have a ton of really good D1 offers.

[Doggie_Style]

Anyone know anything about Carter Bonds. Just put up a pretty decent score at The Opening in atlanta. Finished ahead of a bunch of guys that have a ton of really good D1 offers.

He's only 5'9" so that's the main reason he's had no offers.

[msbulldog]

JoMo and staff are getting after it on the recruiting trail. Say what you want but this staff recruits hard and leaves no stone unturned. Also the relationships they're building with HS staffs right now will pay huge dividends.

Yep and it sounds like the HS coaches like Joe, unlike that snobby yankee Mullet.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Yep and it sounds like the HS coaches like Joe, unlike that snobby yankee Mullet.

Correct

[BuckyIsAB****]

McMillan went to a camp in Houston last year that was basically The Opening except for trench guys and he was damn good as a JR. He is going to be legit.

[Commercecomet24]

Yep and it sounds like the HS coaches like Joe, unlike that snobby yankee Mullet.

Yep big difference in the response Joe is getting as opposed to the previous staff. Night and day difference.

[ShotgunDawg]

Yep big difference in the response Joe is getting as opposed to the previous staff. Night and day difference.

Hopefully the recruiting classes themselves will soon be different

[Commercecomet24]

Hopefully the recruiting classes themselves will soon be different

Already is a difference. Notice ol we signed last year? Can they do better? Sure, but things are changing for the better.

[NCDawg]

No doubt Joe is much more personable than Mullen. I always thought Mullen was phony.

[bulldawg28]

Hopefully the recruiting classes themselves will soon be different

Along with your perspective.

[Commercecomet24]

Along with your perspective.

+1

[PMDawg]

Hopefully the recruiting classes themselves will soon be different

Hopefully your crap attitude and posting will get better too (it won't - but as long as we're hoping).

[yjnkdawg]

Along with your perspective.

Add a +2 to Commerce's +1.

[yjnkdawg]

Hopefully your crap attitude and posting will get better too (it won't - but as long as we're hoping).


We can all hope, but your "it won't" comment about the crap attitude and posting actually getting any better is spot on. It is what it is.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Already is a difference. Notice ol we signed last year? Can they do better? Sure, but things are changing for the better.

And Moorhead nailed it getting Michael Johnson and Marve to coach WR and LB. I think both are upgrades. Not to mention Tony Hughes

[Hambone]

There is absolutely no doubt that the high school coaches love Moorhead compared to Mullen. I have heard multiple stories of Moorhead going to schools that have zero D1 players but going instead just introduce himself and get start a relationship with that coach. He has meaningful conversations with them and doesn’t come across as a pompous ass. He gets it, for sure.

[Todd4State]

Already is a difference. Notice ol we signed last year? Can they do better? Sure, but things are changing for the better.

Sorry to beat the dead horse but I think our class last year would have been different without the coaching turnover. Plus it was his first full year. It would be pretty rare for things to go perfectly for most anybody. I think we will do a lot better this year and to me it looks like our WR and OL recruiting have already picked up.

[Ari Gold]

Sorry to beat the dead horse but I think our class last year would have been different without the coaching turnover. Plus it was his first full year. It would be pretty rare for things to go perfectly for most anybody. I think we will do a lot better this year and to me it looks like our WR and OL recruiting have already picked up.

Was told if Baker stays we for sure land Young, and if Hughes had been on staff longer we would have landed Mingo
A few here told everyone this staff would recruit better, its more in their DNA than CDM and his boys.
CJM already is head and shoulders ahead of where Dan was at any point with in state coaches
We need the boosters all on the same page
This staff will get better talent here, just a matter of can we turn that into more W’s.

[ShotgunDawg]

Was told if Baker stays we for sure land Young, and if Hughes had been on staff longer we would have landed Mingo
A few here told everyone this staff would recruit better, its more in their DNA than CDM and his boys.
CJM already is head and shoulders ahead of where Dan was at any point with in state coaches
We need the boosters all on the same page
This staff will get better talent here, just a matter of can we turn that into more W’s.

Unbelievably frustrating.

[BuckyIsAB****]

It was an all night decision for Mingo anyway we were close, not sure what else we could have done. OM had the right person in their corner, and they did what they do. He is gonna be special

[Commercecomet24]

We had a chance with Byron but his parents LOVED Saban. He wavered some but Saban factor was to much(getting baker didn't hurt) but he was going to bama. Straight from horses mouth.

[Doggie_Style]

It will be interesting to see how the 2020 class shakes out. I do see changes to the recruiting approach this year but at the end of the day Joe will graded on who he can ink. At this point I don't see us finishing much better than 25th overall.

[bulldawg28]

It was an all night decision for Mingo anyway we were close, not sure what else we could have done. OM had the right person in their corner, and they did what they do. He is gonna be special

I doubt it unless he gets a Qb.

[bulldawg28]

It will be interesting to see how the 2020 class shakes out. I do see changes to the recruiting approach this year but at the end of the day Joe will graded on who he can ink. At this point I don't see us finishing much better than 25th overall.

Starting early huh?

[NCDawg]

It was an all night decision for Mingo anyway we were close, not sure what else we could have done. OM had the right person in their corner, and they did what they do. He is gonna be special

He won't be too special if the QB is laying on his back and can't get the ball to him.

[Ari Gold]

[QUOTE=BuckyIsAB****;1087849]It was an all night decision for Mingo anyway we were close, not sure what else we could have done. OM had the right person in their corner, and they did what they do. He is gonna be special[/QUOT

Won’t shock me at all to see him this fall playing as a frosh .. and he is on defense there ..

[maroonmania]

We had a chance with Byron but his parents LOVED Saban. He wavered some but Saban factor was to much(getting baker didn't hurt) but he was going to bama. Straight from horses mouth.

Yep, I don't think we would have gotten either. We couldn't get Young to commit or flip to us when Baker was with us but because he left we didn't get him? Sorry, I don't buy it. And Mingo actually gave us much more consideration AFTER Michael Johnson came on staff. Mr. Green Bay did a pathetic job recruiting him but even after the switch he was just too in bed with the Confederates. Guess we will never know for sure, but I don't think we were as close on these two as we would like to make ourselves believe. Now I do think the staff we have now is a MUCH better overall recruiting staff than what we had last year. Two of the guys that left were in the NFL and had no clue what was required to recruit in the SEC and the other, Baker, is an excellent coach but probably a below average recruiter. Even swapping out Hud for Hughes was a good trade though Hud was definitely the best recruiter of what we lost.

[Bothrops]

It will be interesting to see how the 2020 class shakes out. I do see changes to the recruiting approach this year but at the end of the day Joe will graded on who he can ink. At this point I don't see us finishing much better than 25th overall.

We will be lucky to squeeze out a top 30 class this time. Not being negative, but what's available to us is very limited in numbers, and that seems to be a trend. I do expect our class to be underrated, which is almost always the case.

[ShotgunDawg]

We will be lucky to squeeze out a top 30 class this time. Not being negative, but what's available to us is very limited in numbers, and that seems to be a trend. I do expect our class to be underrated, which is almost always the case.

We’ll see. Not capitalizing with so many instate players last year, was a HUGE red flag for me. We’ll see if it gets better. It seems like there is more effort than the previous staff put forth but if they can’t close, it’s irrelevant

[Lord McBuckethead]

And Moorhead nailed it getting Michael Johnson and Marve to coach WR and LB. I think both are upgrades. Not to mention Tony Hughes

Really want to see what Hughes has going this year. Hopefully he will stay here and try to build with Shoop and Moorhead.

[Doggie_Style]

We will be lucky to squeeze out a top 30 class this time. Not being negative, but what's available to us is very limited in numbers, and that seems to be a trend. I do expect our class to be underrated, which is almost always the case.

Yup.....we have such a small recruiting footprint with the vast majority of it being sparsely populated. I also believe that several of our current commits are grossly underrated.....maybe that will change over the next 8 months.

[yjnkdawg]

Yep, I don't think we would have gotten either. We couldn't get Young to commit or flip to us when Baker was with us but because he left we didn't get him? Sorry, I don't buy it. And Mingo actually gave us much more consideration AFTER Michael Johnson came on staff. Mr. Green Bay did a pathetic job recruiting him but even after the switch he was just too in bed with the Confederates. Guess we will never know for sure, but I don't think we were as close on these two as we would like to make ourselves believe. Now I do think the staff we have now is a MUCH better overall recruiting staff than what we had last year. Two of the guys that left were in the NFL and had no clue what was required to recruit in the SEC and the other, Baker, is an excellent coach but probably a below average recruiter. Even swapping out Hud for Hughes was a good trade though Hud was definitely the best recruiter of what we lost.

Commerce knew more about Young's situation than anybody else on this board did. So I'm buying it.

[Hambone]

Why are we taking up multiple pages on the 2020 recruiting page with arguing about the 2019 recruiting class?

[yjnkdawg]

Why are we taking up multiple pages on the 2020 recruiting page with arguing about the 2019 recruiting class?


Because pretty much on this thread, posters can post just about anything they want to, melt, etc. That is why the 2020 MSU FOOTBALL RECRUIT UPDATE was initiated and is a closed thread. So you can actually see recruiting updates and what is relevant to our actual 2020 recruiting, without the off topic, attention seeking, melt down. etc. stuff that ruined the original recruiting thread.

[msbulldog]

Commerce knew more about Young's situation than anybody else on this board did. So I'm buying it.

CC said his son was friends with B. Young, how much closer to the situation can you get? CC brought us the best info on JT Ginn and said JT's dad was a friend of his. CC is also careful about how he lays information out on this board, often using a disclaimer about stuff he's not sure about. If CC says it I lay bank on it!

[BuckyIsAB****]

I doubt it unless he gets a Qb.

I agree with that. Nothing he can do about that though

[BuckyIsAB****]

[QUOTE=BuckyIsAB****;1087849]It was an all night decision for Mingo anyway we were close, not sure what else we could have done. OM had the right person in their corner, and they did what they do. He is gonna be special[/QUOT

Won’t shock me at all to see him this fall playing as a frosh .. and he is on defense there ..

He will transfer if they play him on defense. Hes not a DB and never was.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Yep, I don't think we would have gotten either. We couldn't get Young to commit or flip to us when Baker was with us but because he left we didn't get him? Sorry, I don't buy it. And Mingo actually gave us much more consideration AFTER Michael Johnson came on staff. Mr. Green Bay did a pathetic job recruiting him but even after the switch he was just too in bed with the Confederates. Guess we will never know for sure, but I don't think we were as close on these two as we would like to make ourselves believe. Now I do think the staff we have now is a MUCH better overall recruiting staff than what we had last year. Two of the guys that left were in the NFL and had no clue what was required to recruit in the SEC and the other, Baker, is an excellent coach but probably a below average recruiter. Even swapping out Hud for Hughes was a good trade though Hud was definitely the best recruiter of what we lost.

I know we were close with Mingo. Very close. And yes Getsy was a bad recruiter, Mingo didnt like him and Mullen recruiting him as a safety hurt us more than anything else. That and OM played their game to an extent.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Really want to see what Hughes has going this year. Hopefully he will stay here and try to build with Shoop and Moorhead.

Deke Adams, Johnson and Marve are all good coaches. I have been really impressed with all of them.

[Ari Gold]

[QUOTE=Ari Gold;1087905]

He will transfer if they play him on defense. Hes not a DB and never was.

DD Bowie was told he was playing WR as well.

[yjnkdawg]

[QUOTE=BuckyIsAB****;1089129]

DD Bowie was told he was playing WR as well.


OM has been known for telling a player, who they really want, what the player wants to hear, in order to hopefully get them to send that fax in on signing day.

[Todd4State]

[QUOTE=Ari Gold;1089498]


OM has been known for telling a player, who they really want, what the player wants to hear, in order to hopefully get them to send that fax in on signing day.

Ole Miss will do ANYTHING to get a player that they really want. As we all know.

I hope Joe figures out a way to counter that better than Dan did.

[yjnkdawg]

Starting with Post #445, these quotes (Originally Posted by) are really screwed up. :(

[msu15]

[QUOTE=yjnkdawg;1089509]

Ole Miss will do ANYTHING to get a player that they really want. As we all know.

I hope Joe figures out a way to counter that better than Dan did.

To add on to that, they will also do anything they can to keep us from getting that player, especially if he's in MS.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I am all for blowing smoke to get them to sign.

[maroonmania]

I am all for blowing smoke to get them to sign.

Yep, all's fair in recruiting.

[Todd4State]

I am all for blowing smoke to get them to sign.


Yep, all's fair in recruiting.

I agree. I think we're honest to a fault in recruiting.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Yeah, I am not sure what is so bad about telling the best RB in the state that they would probably take all of Kylin's carries as a true freshman in 2019. Like, dude you are so good I am sure with a little bit of practice and looking over the playbook you will be in the starting lineup.

Or, we are after a really good player to start immediately. You have that skill level. Come to MSU, get up to speed, and take over the SEC.
Once they get to campus, they will realize real quick they know only 1/10th of what they need to to start.

[msudawglb]

Yeah, I am not sure what is so bad about telling the best RB in the state that they would probably take all of Kylin's carries as a true freshman in 2019. Like, dude you are so good I am sure with a little bit of practice and looking over the playbook you will be in the starting lineup.

Or, we are after a really good player to start immediately. You have that skill level. Come to MSU, get up to speed, and take over the SEC.
Once they get to campus, they will realize real quick they know only 1/10th of what they need to to start.

Now, with the new 4 game rule for redshirting...you can absolutely tell a kid he will play as a freshman and not be lying.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I am all for blowing smoke to get them to sign.

I could see how someone who has no connection to the kids involved would say that but a school doing that will do them no favors in the long run. With that kid or that high school and the coaches there.

Not a lot of respect for those college coaches openly lying to kids just to get them to sign. Its a major decision for the kid and the family

[msbulldog]

I could see how someone who has no connection to the kids involved would say that but a school doing that will do them no favors in the long run. With that kid or that high school and the coaches there.

Not a lot of respect for those college coaches openly lying to kids just to get them to sign. Its a major decision for the kid and the family

Tell it Bucky, lying never gets you anything but caught in a lie. Coaches like you will learn and let the kids know, and those schools that lie will be learned and they are ruined in that school. Best thing is to be honest and gain respect with the coaches and schools. You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to BuckyIsAB**** again.

[bulldawg28]

I could see how someone who has no connection to the kids involved would say that but a school doing that will do them no favors in the long run. With that kid or that high school and the coaches there.

Not a lot of respect for those college coaches openly lying to kids just to get them to sign. Its a major decision for the kid and the family

During the recruiting process there is plenty of lying happening on both sides. 90% of the time it works out. The kids and teams should both do their research on each other and go from there. Anytime money is involved the kid better know regardless of how good he is smoke is being blown up his butt.

[BuckyIsAB****]

During the recruiting process there is plenty of lying happening on both sides. 90% of the time it works out. The kids and teams should both do their research on each other and go from there. Anytime money is involved the kid better know regardless of how good he is smoke is being blown up his butt.

If you think that 90 percent of the kids that sign are happy a year later you dont know enough kids

[BuckyIsAB****]

Not trying to make the thread anti recruiting or anti college coaches either Im just saying that is not the best way to do it in the long run. In my opinion. Lots of them do it right and Im sure some kids are open to playing another position and some may need to change

[Cowbell]

Not trying to make the thread anti recruiting or anti college coaches either Im just saying that is not the best way to do it in the long run. In my opinion. Lots of them do it right and Im sure some kids are open to playing another position and some may need to change

Fully agree Bucky! That’s why I pull for guys like Dabo. It’s good to see coaches that realize they are in the position to better kids lives and turn boys into men. Those that want to Waller in the mud and lie to kids need to go be a rebelbearshark.

[ShotgunDawg]

I am all for blowing smoke to get them to sign.

I feel this way at times as well as it's certainly good for your recruiting ranking and you keep them away from your competitors, but I'm not sure it helps you win games. You win games with buy in not trickery

[bulldawg28]

If you think that 90 percent of the kids that sign are happy a year later you dont know enough kids

Read.

I said works out I didn't say happy kids. The kids get a reality check when they realize their talent is equal to everyone else's and they have to work just to be recognized. I played football in the SEC and been apart of the recruiting process so I'd know more than you would on the subject.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Read.

I said works out I didn't say happy kids. The kids get a reality check when they realize their talent is equal to everyone else's and they have to work just to be recognized. I played football in the SEC and been apart of the recruiting process so I'd know more than you would on the subject.

Ok

[Todd4State]

Now, with the new 4 game rule for redshirting...you can absolutely tell a kid he will play as a freshman and not be lying.

With the four game redshirt rule we're dumb if we don't play them against the I-AA opponent at least.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Read.

I said works out I didn't say happy kids. The kids get a reality check when they realize their talent is equal to everyone else's and they have to work just to be recognized. I played football in the SEC and been apart of the recruiting process so I'd know more than you would on the subject.

Is that you Ballard?

[Lord McBuckethead]

With the four game redshirt rule we're dumb if we don't play them against the I-AA opponent at least.

Hell, you could tell them you are going to feature them as a starter...... for those four games.

[Todd4State]

Hell, you could tell them you are going to feature them as a starter...... for those four games.

I'm all for it.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Be up front with the player a little, but at the same time sell them what is technically possible.
Everyone else is.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Be up front with the player a little, but at the same time sell them what is technically possible.
Everyone else is.

It's a big difference on selling opportunity & lying. You guys are selling these kids short on how smart they are. The vast majority of these kids can see & read right through lies & BS.

[ZedFedder]

Obviously a long ways to go but Deion Smith is ranked 79 in his class by 247 composite.

[Doggie_Style]

Anybody think we pick up a 2020 commit or two this weekend?

[Todd4State]

It's a big difference on selling opportunity & lying. You guys are selling these kids short on how smart they are. The vast majority of these kids can see & read right through lies & BS.

Then how does Ole Miss sign them?

[basedog]

Then how does Ole Miss sign them?

$$$$$$$$$$$

[Todd4State]

$$$$$$$$$$$

Yeah but they could just take the money like Leo and go where they want to.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Yeah but they could just take the money like Leo and go where they want to.

Plenty do. If I'm a WR or QB OM is still a very appealing destination. They make their recruiting living off those positions. It's the main reason also why their roster is so out of wack.

[Todd4State]

Plenty do. If I'm a WR or QB OM is still a very appealing destination. They make their recruiting living off those positions. It's the main reason also why their roster is so out of wack.

Why would you say that given the fact that NOW they are running a Rich Rodriguez offense that is going to be run first spread option? That's the kind of thing I am talking about. Tobias Singleton and Nick Brassell who to me were slot WR's going to Ole Miss to play for Houston Nutt and his pro-style/I-formation offense vs. Dan power spread which did feature slot receivers more.


If you are a QB or a WR RIGHT NOW MSU and Joe's offense is a better fit you. Unless you are a Pat White style QB. And yes, I do agree that we are seeing that with players like Will Rogers, Tulu, Deion Jones from Provine and probably E Jai Mason. I get that. But it's the guys like Mingo that confuse me. I think Rich Rod only threw the ball about 22% of the time at Arizona.

[Doggie_Style]

Anybody think we pick up a 2020 commit or two this weekend?

I?ll take that as a No...

[msu15]

I?ll take that as a No...

Nice bump

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Why would you say that given the fact that NOW they are running a Rich Rodriguez offense that is going to be run first spread option? That's the kind of thing I am talking about. Tobias Singleton and Nick Brassell who to me were slot WR's going to Ole Miss to play for Houston Nutt and his pro-style/I-formation offense vs. Dan power spread which did feature slot receivers more.


If you are a QB or a WR RIGHT NOW MSU and Joe's offense is a better fit you. Unless you are a Pat White style QB. And yes, I do agree that we are seeing that with players like Will Rogers, Tulu, Deion Jones from Provine and probably E Jai Mason. I get that. But it's the guys like Mingo that confuse me. I think Rich Rod only threw the ball about 22% of the time at Arizona.

They can sell their reputation until they prove they aren't that anymore. These kids don't know Pat White or Denard Robinson but they moncrief, Treadwell, DK, AJ, etc. The same way JoeMo offenseis a better fit but we also need/have to show it on the field to fully take advantage of it in recruiting.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I?ll take that as a No...

I think there's a couple kids who could but I don't think it's a situation where anyone is coming in 100% sure a Commit is coming.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I think there's a couple of kids who will commit. Again not 100% but I feel pretty good.

[ShotgunDawg]

I feel like the realistic 247 rankings are so slow coming in this year that, out side of a few players, I'm not really sure who to get excited about possibly committing. Feels like 247 put everyone we are recruiting at the 85-87 level without even watching their film.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I feel like the realistic 247 rankings are so slow coming in this year that, out side of a few players, I'm not really sure who to get excited about possibly committing. Feels like 247 put everyone we are recruiting at the 85-87 level without even watching their film.

I love the rankings for what they bring as far as discussions but I trust MY eyes just as much as I trust Barton Simmons or Steve Wiltfong or Chad Simmons or Tom Luginbill. I know what my eyes like & go from there. Of course if Bama or Ohio st or UGA is willing to take you then you must be a top prospect. Here have a 4th *. The work comes from the kid ranked 300 isn't any different than the kid rated 500. That's why recruiting is a tool & entertainment not the end all be all.

[Todd4State]

I love the rankings for what they bring as far as discussions but I trust MY eyes just as much as I trust Barton Simmons or Steve Wiltfong or Chad Simmons or Tom Luginbill. I know what my eyes like & go from there. Of course if Bama or Ohio st or UGA is willing to take you then you must be a top prospect. Here have a 4th *. The work comes from the kid ranked 300 isn't any different than the kid rated 500. That's why recruiting is a tool & entertainment not the end all be all.

I agree. I think that's the fun part. Seeing these players as high school guys and then projecting how good they will be.

Lee Witherspoon is an example. To me, I would give him a four star rating but the reason why he wasn't is because he was a late bloomer who committed and then didn't waver.

[Doggie_Style]

I agree. I think that's the fun part. Seeing these players as high school guys and then projecting how good they will be.

Lee Witherspoon is an example. To me, I would give him a four star rating but the reason why he wasn't is because he was a late bloomer who committed and then didn't waver.

Witherspoon was rated where he was because he only played one year at RB and that was against weak competition He has great speed and that is really all we know about him. We took two plan 'C' guys last year at RB. We are hoping to get lucky.

[Todd4State]

Witherspoon was rated where he was because he only played one year at RB and that was against weak competition He has great speed and that is really all we know about him. We took two plan 'C' guys last year at RB. We are hoping to get lucky.

When you're setting state records- like Dicenzo Miller did- with that size and speed you're probably a legit player.

[Homedawg]

Witherspoon was rated where he was because he only played one year at RB and that was against weak competition He has great speed and that is really all we know about him. We took two plan 'C' guys last year at RB. We are hoping to get lucky.

He might work out. The other would be a miracle. But we need a warm body.

[Goldendawg]

He might work out. The other would be a miracle. But we need a warm body.

That we are settling with "a needed warm body" at the RB position thus far under JoMo, causes me deep concern, especially with our history of really good players at that position. I don't think his "offense" will ever appeal to good RB's unless he makes an effort to get them the touches. Hope 2019 proves me wrong. Hail State!

[Ifyouonlyknew]

That we are settling with "a needed warm body" at the RB position thus far under JoMo, causes me deep concern, especially with our history of really good players at that position. I don't think his "offense" will ever appeal to good RB's unless he makes an effort to get them the touches. Hope 2019 proves me wrong. Hail State!

I think he'll prove you wrong in the 2020 class.

[Hambone]

It doesn’t bother me. They put all their eggs in a basket to get the best RB in the country (which many thought we had silently committed) and missed out on him to the instate school.

I believe we will be more than fine this year at RB. Hill is going to have a monster year with Gibson having a very good year an

[NCDawg]

I don't understand why Kareem Walker isn't more talked about. He was highly recruited 2 years ago, went to a JC and then his stock apparently fell. He looks terrific watching his videos.

[msstate7]

I don't understand why Kareem Walker isn't more talked about. He was highly recruited 2 years ago, went to a JC and then his stock apparently fell. He looks terrific watching his videos.

Probably bc he was bad in juco

[BuckyIsAB****]

I love the rankings for what they bring as far as discussions but I trust MY eyes just as much as I trust Barton Simmons or Steve Wiltfong or Chad Simmons or Tom Luginbill. I know what my eyes like & go from there. Of course if Bama or Ohio st or UGA is willing to take you then you must be a top prospect. Here have a 4th *. The work comes from the kid ranked 300 isn't any different than the kid rated 500. That's why recruiting is a tool & entertainment not the end all be all.

Accurate

[maroonmania]

That we are settling with "a needed warm body" at the RB position thus far under JoMo, causes me deep concern, especially with our history of really good players at that position. I don't think his "offense" will ever appeal to good RB's unless he makes an effort to get them the touches. Hope 2019 proves me wrong. Hail State!

To be fair to JoMo, since he's been here he hasn't had any SEC caliber RBs sitting on his backporch like Mullen had in Kylin Hill and Aeris Williams. Granted he hasn't pulled in any big time backs from around the South but its not like he's whiffed on a MS RB that should have been a lock for us.

[Cooterpoot]

Ealy. He missed on Ealy. Not that Ealy will ever play but still.

[msu15]

It doesn’t bother me. They put all their eggs in a basket to get the best RB in the country (which many thought we had silently committed) and missed out on him to the instate school.

I believe we will be more than fine this year at RB. Hill is going to have a monster year with Gibson having a very good year an

There was no thought, he did privately commit but plans changed.

[msstate7]

There was no thought, he did privately commit but plans changed.

And committed publicly on first trip to Georgia. Makes you think he told coaches what they wanted to hear

[msu15]

And committed publicly on first trip to Georgia. Makes you think he told coaches what they wanted to hear

Definitely

[Doggie_Style]

So where are we at present with RB recruiting? We are at best in a dead heat with Florida State for Marks. Both teams have a huge need and are knocking his door down. Cory Wren is leaning TCU and we need to get him on campus soon. Not sure what happened with Gibbs but he hasn't been on campus either. Trey Benson seems to be infatuated with Oregon....I know, I know it's a long way from home. I'm not in the know but it doesn't appear that we lead for anyone.

[msu15]

So where are we at present with RB recruiting? We are at best in a dead heat with Florida State for Marks. Both teams have a huge need and are knocking his door down. Cory Wren is leaning TCU and we need to get him on campus soon. Not sure what happened with Gibbs but he hasn't been on campus either. Trey Benson seems to be infatuated with Oregon....I know, I know it's a long way from home. I'm not in the know but it doesn't appear that we lead for anyone.

I think you're pretty spot on but I personally think we lead for Benson. Man he is a must get.