THE 2020 MSU Football Recruiting Talk Thread

[Ari Gold]

No one will recruit Keys any harder than CJM and this staff.. I like our chances.

[KOdawg1]

It’s going to be a battle until ink hits the paper...But I wouldn’t trade places with OM right now when it comes to him.

It'll all come down to his OVs. You know how convincing and shady OVs at OM can be. But like you said, it'll be a battle to the end. It's a great sign that he's still committed though

[ZedFedder]

Bell has rung for 2020 class.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Jaden Walley. Big time athlete.

[ShotgunDawg]

Jaden Walley. Big time athlete.

What position?

[ShotgunDawg]

Jaden Walley. Big time athlete.

Is this the fastest class we've every signed?

Every time I watch film on our commits, they appear to have lighter, quicker feet & faster than most any class I can remember.

[vv83]

Jaden Walley. Big time athlete.

He a WR or DB for us?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

He a WR or DB for us?

WR

[Commercecomet24]

Is this the fastest class we've every signed?

Every time I watch film on our commits, they appear to have lighter, quicker feet & faster than most any class I can remember.

Jaden played on my travel team a couple years. Kid would've made a heckuva a center fielder if he would've stuck with baseball! Great get for us. He's been Dawg for awhile!

[Pollodawg]

I don’t know how the projections look for Moorhead in the long run here or if he will even be here long period, but he’s assuredly upping the talent floor while he is here.

[Todd4State]

I don’t know how the projections look for Moorhead in the long run here or if he will even be here long period, but he’s assuredly upping the talent floor while he is here.

I know nobody wants to hear this...

But the truth is if we give him 3-4 years to bring in and develop the talent he is bringing in we will raise our overall ceiling.

Think about Dan and when he first got here. We were probably a consistent 6 win team with good coaching with an occasional 8 win ceiling with anything above or below that an outlier. (2009-2013) Ever since 2014 we have become a consistent 8 win team except for one year 2016 which could be explained in part by a poor coach (Sirmon).

With Joe so far we are still an 8 win team with what we have- barring the results of this year which I think we can come close to and probably reach again. But after a few years hopefully we will elevate ourselves to consistent 9-10 win team. I think it's very possible with the way that we are recruiting if the JUCO's can fill in holes the next couple of years assuming Joe develops our players well.

[Doggie_Style]

Jaden Walley. Big time athlete.

I love this addition.....great athlete

[Ari Gold]

Jaden Walley. Big time athlete.

Agree and also gives us an inside track for his brother in 2021..
Congrats to Jaden and welcome home kid..

[chef dixon]

Alright guru's, which ones of the many skill players in the class are going to be playing a role next season?

[Pipedream]

I know nobody wants to hear this...

But the truth is if we give him 3-4 years to bring in and develop the talent he is bringing in we will raise our overall ceiling.

Think about Dan and when he first got here. We were probably a consistent 6 win team with good coaching with an occasional 8 win ceiling with anything above or below that an outlier. (2009-2013) Ever since 2014 we have become a consistent 8 win team except for one year 2016 which could be explained in part by a poor coach (Sirmon).

With Joe so far we are still an 8 win team with what we have- barring the results of this year which I think we can come close to and probably reach again. But after a few years hopefully we will elevate ourselves to consistent 9-10 win team. I think it's very possible with the way that we are recruiting if the JUCO's can fill in holes the next couple of years assuming Joe develops our players well.

I also know no one wants to hear this: the idea that Joe is recruiting far superior to what late stage Mullen did, is a falsehood-at least to this point. I'm sure he tries harder and has better relationships, etc. Wouldn't disagree with that, but the data speaks for itself. DM's last 3 classes averaged 9.33 in the SEC. Moorheads first 3 classes (2020 isn't done yet, but going off the current ranking) SEC average is 9.33. We aren't gaining any ground on our peers, we aren't losing any ground on our peers. What that means is up for interpretation. My take is we are going to have to develop players as well as Mullen did, which remains to be seen, and scheme/coach in game as well as he did, also remains to be seen, to keep up our current 8 win type average we have had the last decade. Moorhead is recruiting a slightly better player on average-.8765 for first 3 classes to DM's .8696 last 3 classes.

[Doggie_Style]

I also know no one wants to hear this: the idea that Joe is recruiting far superior to what late stage Mullen did, is a falsehood-at least to this point. I'm sure he tries harder and has better relationships, etc. Wouldn't disagree with that, but the data speaks for itself. DM's last 3 classes averaged 9.33 in the SEC. Moorheads first 3 classes (2020 isn't done yet, but going off the current ranking) SEC average is 9.33. We aren't gaining any ground on our peers, we aren't losing any ground on our peers. What that means is up for interpretation. My take is we are going to have to develop players as well as Mullen did, which remains to be seen, and scheme/coach in game as well as he did, also remains to be seen, to keep up our current 8 win type average we have had the last decade. Moorhead is recruiting a slightly better player on average-.8765 for first 3 classes to DM's .8696 last 3 classes.

The 2018 class belongs to Mullen....just saying

[Pipedream]

The 2018 class belongs to Mullen....just saying

I disagree, but don't think it's stupid or crazy to think that way. The way I look at it is, every one of the players that signed in the 18 class signed their NLI fully aware that Joe Moorhead was going to be their head coach. There were no surprises as to who was going to be coaching them. Joe had to re-recruit a majority of those guys. Now, most of them committed to Mullen, but they all signed with JM.

[vv83]

I disagree, but don't think it's stupid or crazy to think that way. The way I look at it is, every one of the players that signed in the 18 class signed their NLI fully aware that Joe Moorhead was going to be their head coach. There were no surprises as to who was going to be coaching them. Joe had to re-recruit a majority of those guys. Now, most of them committed to Mullen, but they all signed with JM.

That's def true but on the flip side you have to imagine if Joe was here the whole time there were players in the 2018 class he could have possibly gotten in early on that Mullen didn't have a chance with. If there's a kid that was committed somewhere else it would have been nearly impossible to flip him over when Joe got here in late Nov but say he was here a year earlier before that kid ever committed he could have possibly gotten him.

[Bothrops]

Rankings are hit and miss. There are a number of very good recruits that Moorhead has signed that Mullen would have given up on and not signed.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Is this the fastest class we've every signed?

Every time I watch film on our commits, they appear to have lighter, quicker feet & faster than most any class I can remember.

The Brandon Holloway class had some speed. I think Smokey, Gabe Myles, Brandon Holloway and Slay were all in that class.

[HoopsDawg]

Rankings are hit and miss. There are a number of very good recruits that Moorhead has signed that Mullen would have given up on and not signed.

Question for 247 subscribers, why do Paul and Steve and those guys list Patterson and Butts as commits when we know they won't be a part of the signing class? It seems mis-leading not to mention, incorrect.

[msstate7]

Question for 247 subscribers, why do Paul and Steve and those guys list Patterson and Butts as commits when we know they won't be a part of the signing class? It seems mis-leading not to mention, incorrect.
Probably to keep us as high as possible in rankings

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Question for 247 subscribers, why do Paul and Steve and those guys list Patterson and Butts as commits when we know they won't be a part of the signing class? It seems mis-leading not to mention, incorrect.

Usually they list them until the HC gives word to drop them.

[Todd4State]

I also know no one wants to hear this: the idea that Joe is recruiting far superior to what late stage Mullen did, is a falsehood-at least to this point. I'm sure he tries harder and has better relationships, etc. Wouldn't disagree with that, but the data speaks for itself. DM's last 3 classes averaged 9.33 in the SEC. Moorheads first 3 classes (2020 isn't done yet, but going off the current ranking) SEC average is 9.33. We aren't gaining any ground on our peers, we aren't losing any ground on our peers. What that means is up for interpretation. My take is we are going to have to develop players as well as Mullen did, which remains to be seen, and scheme/coach in game as well as he did, also remains to be seen, to keep up our current 8 win type average we have had the last decade. Moorhead is recruiting a slightly better player on average-.8765 for first 3 classes to DM's .8696 last 3 classes.

The biggest difference- and this is a major difference- is Joe has fewer obvious holes in his classes at position groups.

[msbulldog]

Question for 247 subscribers, why do Paul and Steve and those guys list Patterson and Butts as commits when we know they won't be a part of the signing class? It seems mis-leading not to mention, incorrect.

Paul has said they stay on the list until their removal is made official by the school.

[Commercecomet24]

The biggest difference- and this is a major difference- is Joe has fewer obvious holes in his classes at position groups.


This. While the class ranking maybe similar, Joe is recruiting balanced classes whereas Dan often left gaps on WRs, OLs and at times DBs.

[KOdawg1]

Quincy Brown decommitted

[Irondawg]

I wonder what % of players that commit somewhere before their junior year stick with their commitment?

Then how many of those that do stick are committed to Bama, LSU, Clemson, GA, Ohio State, Oklahoma

[ZedFedder]

Just part of it. From what I have observed over the years, if we get a commit early in their junior year, it’s a 50/50 shot they’ll stay committed. Tulu, Alex Adams, etc are examples. Might as well commit them, but when you get burned over and over it’s hard to get too pumped up.

[vv83]

Quincy Brown decommitted

Dang didn't he just commit like 3 weeks ago?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I expect him back in the class.

[Pipedream]

The biggest difference- and this is a major difference- is Joe has fewer obvious holes in his classes at position groups.

Missed this over the weekend and I know the discussion is on to different topic, but I think this is a common misconception. You don't recruit to have balanced classes, you recruit to have a balanced roster. That's the end game. If you have to take 7 OL to get your numbers right you damn well better do it. Not stating that Mullen didn't have some holes-the WR issues in 17 and 18 were of his doing (you could also counter by saying that 2 of the starters on this team are Mullen signees). He also was woefully short on OL numbers and JM did a really good job of addressing that in his first two classes. I've seen a lot of people heaping blame at Mullen for everything that goes wrong and it's bullshit placation, but those two groups having holes were problems he created, but have since been remedied. Now, the DT and RB issues aren't his if you dig into the history of it. Moorhead has had ample time and opportunity to make things right there and he hasn't been able to even though, it looks like we'll be ok at RB this year depth wise, next year however, could be an issue.

[vv83]

I expect him back in the class.

Cool. You think we're good even if LSU offers?

[Cooterpoot]

Brown isn?t going to qualify anyway. He?ll be at Co-Lin barring something changing in a big way.

[Cooterpoot]

New offer out to RB Ty Jones 6’1, 180 at Bay Springs. He’s a 2023 I believe. Going to be a hoss.

[Cary Hudson's little bro]

Brown isn?t going to qualify anyway. He?ll be at Co-Lin barring something changing in a big way.

Quincy Brown and Alex Adams will be dynamic for Co-Lin next season!

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Cool. You think we're good even if LSU offers?

LSU has already offered but like Cooter said he has to go juco 1st.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Quincy Brown and Alex Adams will be dynamic for Co-Lin next season!

Nice replacements for Heath & Taylor.

[msu15]

Diwun Black will be at the game Saturday.

[vv83]

Diwun Black will be at the game Saturday.

What's his deal? Has to play Juco until end of 2020 then can sign wherever he wants with 2 to play?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

What's his deal? Has to play Juco until end of 2020 then can sign wherever he wants with 2 to play?

Yes

[StateDawg44]

What's his deal? Has to play Juco until end of 2020 then can sign wherever he wants with 2 to play?

Is he enrolled anywhere currently?

[Todd4State]

Missed this over the weekend and I know the discussion is on to different topic, but I think this is a common misconception. You don't recruit to have balanced classes, you recruit to have a balanced roster. That's the end game. If you have to take 7 OL to get your numbers right you damn well better do it. Not stating that Mullen didn't have some holes-the WR issues in 17 and 18 were of his doing (you could also counter by saying that 2 of the starters on this team are Mullen signees). He also was woefully short on OL numbers and JM did a really good job of addressing that in his first two classes. I've seen a lot of people heaping blame at Mullen for everything that goes wrong and it's bullshit placation, but those two groups having holes were problems he created, but have since been remedied. Now, the DT and RB issues aren't his if you dig into the history of it. Moorhead has had ample time and opportunity to make things right there and he hasn't been able to even though, it looks like we'll be ok at RB this year depth wise, next year however, could be an issue.

We're agreeing on this. But you don't want to get to a point where you have to sign seven offensive linemen because that takes away spots from another group which creates another hole.

I'm sorry though- Dan deserves the blame for the holes in our roster at this point. 1-2 years from now? No. I think running back is something that could be addressed later if the staff feels like Kylin will leave. My guess is they want to have a strong educated guess before they make a move.

[HoopsDawg]

Yes

You hearing anything on Mccrae? Think he stays in the class?

[msu15]

We're agreeing on this. But you don't want to get to a point where you have to sign seven offensive linemen because that takes away spots from another group which creates another hole.

I'm sorry though- Dan deserves the blame for the holes in our roster at this point. 1-2 years from now? No. I think running back is something that could be addressed later if the staff feels like Kylin will leave. My guess is they want to have a strong educated guess before they make a move.

And you’re on to something when it comes to RB. The staff is starting to do some homework on bringing in a juco back for this class.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

You hearing anything on Mccrae? Think he stays in the class?

I think it's a little early to tell but I do think we may have 1 juco DL too many. I love Key & Tre Lawson is playing very well early this season. McCrae saving grace may be the fact he has 3yrs to play 3.

[Irondawg]

did McCrae play last night and if so did he look better? Keeping Lawson, David and Key are the priorities for sure though I would think.

But at some point we have to be able to develop some HS DE's. We haven't developed an above average DE from the HS ranks since I think AJ Jefferson

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Diwun Black will be at the game Saturday.

Good.... he better get used to watching games.

[tcdog70]

I hope we are on Jeff Simmons' Cousin at Noxubee--Hatcher Kid He is blowing up offenses, Noxubee shutout Louisville and Columbus. Noxubee is now 3A--Louisville is 4A and I think Columbus is 6A. Hatcher is a Junior.

[Doggie_Style]

Seeing that Jayland Parker, LB from Georgia just de-committed from Colorado.....he was at our game Saturday

[msbulldog]

6-2 / 207
0.8742 3 star
Natl: 548
Pos: 23
St: 51

from Macon, Ga where I used to live. We're his only SEC offer, meh!

[Ifyouonlyknew]

6-2 / 207
0.8742 3 star
Natl: 548
Pos: 23
St: 51

from Macon, Ga where I used to live. We're his only SEC offer, meh!

He has like 14 P5 Offers though & his film is very solid.

[KOdawg1]

He has like 14 P5 Offers though & his film is very solid.

He's listed as an ILB, but at 207 lbs., I'd imagine he's an OLB in college right? Is he our back up plan in case Cooper stays committed to OU?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

He's listed as an ILB, but at 207 lbs., I'd imagine he's an OLB in college right? Is he our back up plan in case Cooper stays committed to OU?

He could play OLB & yes I think he's 1 of the guys we're looking at.

[Todd4State]

did McCrae play last night and if so did he look better? Keeping Lawson, David and Key are the priorities for sure though I would think.

But at some point we have to be able to develop some HS DE's. We haven't developed an above average DE from the HS ranks since I think AJ Jefferson

I'm not worried about McCrae. Remember last year when some people were worried about Javonta Payton?

Even if he doesn't pan out I like Lovett, Crumedy, and Pickering.

[Bothrops]

Seeing that Jayland Parker, LB from Georgia just de-committed from Colorado.....he was at our game Saturday

Seems like a pretty high ceiling for this kid.

[Westdawg]

Check out this video from current 2020 commit Dillon Johnson:

https://twitter.com/dill_7k/status/1170497541814870019?s=21

Y'all!! Kid is straight ballin'!!!

[ShotgunDawg]

Check out this video from current 2020 commit Dillon Johnson:

https://twitter.com/dill_7k/status/1170497541814870019?s=21

Y'all!! Kid is straight ballin'!!!

Violent runner. Obviously not the same level of athleticism, but kind of runs like Adrian Peterson

[HancockCountyDog]

Are we going to take a look at Kentrel Bullocks a RB from Columbia who I keep hearing is the real deal. I think he is committed to the landsharts, but when they go 3-9 I would think he will be looking for a lifeboat - do we have any interest?

[Cooterpoot]

He’s fast. I’m not going to lie, I think he’s pretty damn good. Told everybody last year he was stud.

[ZedFedder]

We have our two RB committed.

[Westdawg]

Oh my goodness !!!
If you guys get a chance, you need to go watch some film on our DT commit Armondous Cooley.
O-lee Chitt. Boys, that guys is amazing. He is definitely a HIGH 4⭐️ talent easy. How is he only a 3⭐️ ?

[KOdawg1]

Oh my goodness !!!
If you guys get a chance, you need to go watch some film on our DT commit Armondous Cooley.
O-lee Chitt. Boys, that guys is amazing. He is definitely a HIGH 4⭐️ talent easy. How is he only a 3⭐️ ?

Many have said he's the best DT in the state. Even above McKinnley Jackson. I think he could play his way to a higher ranking this season

[Cooterpoot]

We have our two RB committed.

He?s better than one of our commits IMO.

[HancockCountyDog]

He?s better than one of our commits IMO.

I'm hearing that LSU may be looking around. He didn't go to the camp circuit, my guess a bear coach kept him away. I have a friend in the pine belt area that is telling me that he is the real deal.

[ZedFedder]

He?s better than one of our commits IMO.

Which one?

[Bothrops]

Which one?

Well one already has over 600 yards rushing.

[ZedFedder]

Well one already has over 600 yards rushing.

I haven’t looked at their stats, but one plays against private schools in MS and the other plays in public school in ATL.

[Uncle Ruckus]

And the one with better competition has 700 yards rushing through 3 games

[Bothrops]

And the one with better competition has 700 yards rushing through 3 games

Yeah, he's elite. We got a great RB class with Marks and Johnson.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Dean is a better RB than Johnson. Dean is for real for real I have never seen Marks play

[Bothrops]

Dean is a better RB than Johnson. Dean is for real for real I have never seen Marks play

You're probably right. What Dean is doing is nuts.

[vv83]

You're probably right. What Dean is doing is nuts.

You talking Janerai? Is he gonna play S or RB?

[BuckyIsAB****]

You talking Janerai? Is he gonna play S or RB?

My opinion is he should play RB. Him and Marks plus Witherspoon is the best rotation we probably have ever had. Ever. And I know they could all flop but that is one hell of a trio with Shrader/Rogers at QB throwing to Deion Smith and Malik Heath behind Dolla Bill and Cunningham at the tackles.

[SouthMSDog]

behind Dolla Bill and Cunningham at the tackles.

We sliding Charles Cross to guard?

[Irondawg]

We need to find a stud safety or two for sure - need an impact guy for sure in the back. Whether that's Johnson or Dean or both

[KOdawg1]

We sliding Charles Cross to guard?

I would doubt it since he seems to struggle to put on weight anyway. Cross is a LT all the way

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We sliding Charles Cross to guard?

Cross played meaningful minutes in the K St at LT.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We need to find a stud safety or two for sure - need an impact guy for sure in the back. Whether that's Johnson or Dean or both

Janari Dean

[ZedFedder]

Emmanuel Forbes is now ranked 105th in the country per 247. (Notice: Not the 247 Composite. Their own personal rankings.)

[Scared_Hitless]

Cross played meaningful minutes in the K St at LT.

Is our class going to stay this JUCO heavy? Any other additions expected?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Is our class going to stay this JUCO heavy? Any other additions expected?

As been said before a couple commits won't sign with us & there could be another adjustment. We're still recruiting Kundarrius Taylor.

[Todd4State]

As been said before a couple commits won't sign with us & there could be another adjustment. We're still recruiting Kundarrius Taylor.

The adjustment there seems almost too obvious.

[KOdawg1]

Emmanuel Forbes is now ranked 105th in the country per 247. (Notice: Not the 247 Composite. Their own personal rankings.)
Im afraid we lose him to OM

[Cooterpoot]

Say a prayer we get Ty Keyes. Damn he’s good!

[Bothrops]

Forbes is Ole Miss bound regardless of what happens there...and will get a 4th star.

[Commercecomet24]

Say a prayer we get Ty Keyes. Damn he’s good!

Threw #100 tonight. His momma is happy happy happy!

[ShotgunDawg]

Forbes is Ole Miss bound regardless of what happens there...and will get a 4th star.

But I thought JoMo was an elite recruiter?

[Lord McBuckethead]

But I thought JoMo was an elite recruiter?

Saban didn't sign Tebow. Saban must be a 17n piece of shit at recruiting.

[msbulldog]

Hoping you have a Happy Happy day tomorrow Shotgun, maybe that will cheer your sour ass up!

[ShotgunDawg]

Saban didn't sign Tebow. Saban must be a 17n piece of shit at recruiting.

I wasn't aware that Tebow was committed to Bama

[Irondawg]

If Forbes does make the move i don’t think it will be fair to say it’s Joe’s fault

[msstate7]

If Forbes does make the move i don’t think it will be fair to say it’s Joe’s fault

Nothing has been Moorhead's fault since he got here, so not sure why this would be any different

[1bigdawg]

Nothing has been Moorhead's fault since he got here, so not sure why this would be any different

Has anyone ever said anything positive about recruiting or anything else on this board? I don't understand why people think Coach 34 was negative compared to many of the other posters.

[Commercecomet24]

Has anyone ever said anything positive about recruiting or anything else on this board? I don't understand why people think Coach 34 was negative compared to many of the other posters.

This and it gets old doesn't it.

[Bothrops]

If Forbes does make the move i don’t think it will be fair to say it’s Joe’s fault

Right. Genghis ****ing Khan couldn't stop it from happening.

[Cooterpoot]

Let’s see where Forbes is during SEC play. If he’s not at our games, then the writing is on the wall.

[msu15]

Nothing has been Moorhead's fault since he got here, so not sure why this would be any different

You’re a sad little fellow.

[yjnkdawg]

Has anyone ever said anything positive about recruiting or anything else on this board? I don't understand why people think Coach 34 was negative compared to many of the other posters.

Some have their own agenda on this thread and really bring nothing pertinent concerning what the thread was intended for. That is the reason there are now two recruiting threads.

[msstate7]

Some have their own agenda on this thread and really bring nothing pertinent concerning what the thread was intended for. That is the reason there are now two recruiting threads.

Was this post pertinent to what the thread was intended for?

[StateDawg44]

Was this post pertinent to what the thread was intended for?

More pertinent than yours was

[ShotgunDawg]

Are we about to flip Xavier Hill from Bama?

[yjnkdawg]

Was this post pertinent to what the thread was intended for?



Maybe or maybe not, but I don't initiate or hijack a thread to take a shot at JoeMo every opportunity I can like a few of you do.

[MetEdDawg]

Greedy Vance decommits from Arkansas. Isn't he one we want and have been on for a while?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Are we about to flip Xavier Hill from Bama?

Looking good

ETA: No Bama isn't dropping him

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Greedy Vance decommits from Arkansas. Isn't he one we want and have been on for a while?

We've stayed on him not sure how hard we've been pushing.

[KOdawg1]

Looking good

ETA: No Bama isn't dropping him

This would be huge. His offer sheet deserves at least 4 stars

[Bothrops]

Looking good

ETA: No Bama isn't dropping him

Wow! Nice!

[KOdawg1]

Considering Hill flips..

LT- Cross/Dolla Bill
LG- Parker/Dolcine/Pendley/Hill
C- Smith/Sharp/Breyvn Jones
RG- Reese/Sharp
RT- Dolla Bill/Cunningham/Eiland

That's a badass OL. We'll be tough on both sides of the trenches

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Considering Hill flips..

LT- Cross/Dolla Bill
LG- Parker/Dolcine/Pendley/Hill
C- Smith/Sharp/Breyvn Jones
RG- Reese/Sharp
RT- Dolla Bill/Cunningham/Eiland

That's a badass OL. We'll be tough on both sides of the trenches

This isn't your rotation is it? Eiland 3rd string after being a 2yr starter?

My guess

LT - Cross
LG - Parker
C - Sharp
RG - Reese
RT - Eiland

3rd OT - Dolla 3rd OG - Dolcine Backup C - Smith

[KOdawg1]

This isn't your rotation is it? Eiland 3rd string after being a 2yr starter?

My guess

LT - Cross
LG - Parker
C - Sharp
RG - Reese
RT - Eiland

3rd OT - Dolla 3rd OG - Dolcine Backup C - Smith

No I was just naming names. Couldn?t remember if Eiland was a senior or not

[ShotgunDawg]

This isn't your rotation is it? Eiland 3rd string after being a 2yr starter?

My guess

LT - Cross
LG - Parker
C - Sharp
RG - Reese
RT - Eiland

3rd OT - Dolla 3rd OG - Dolcine Backup C - Smith

That's still badass.

With a 2nd year Shrader & the best WR corp we've seen in years. Gotta find a RB though.

[Todd4State]

That's still badass.

With a 2nd year Shrader & the best WR corp we've seen in years. Gotta find a RB though.

Marks is a 4 star RB that we have committed and we have offered the RB at Starkville for 2021.

[msu15]

That's still badass.

With a 2nd year Shrader & the best WR corp we've seen in years. Gotta find a RB though.

Kareem Walker?....*ba dum tissss

[ShotgunDawg]

Marks is a 4 star RB that we have committed and we have offered the RB at Starkville for 2021.

For sure, still a freshman though & you know how freshmen RBs' pass blocking looks

[BrunswickDawg]

I wasn't aware that Tebow was committed to Bama

It was down to Bama and UF - or at least that is how it was reported by Jacksonville TV at the time. That guy got the most TV coverage for a high school player I've ever seen - at least in the local news market.

[KOdawg1]

It was down to Bama and UF - or at least that is how it was reported by Jacksonville TV at the time. That guy got the most TV coverage for a high school player I've ever seen - at least in the local news market.
Have you read his book? Apparently, he didnt decide until right before announcing. He almost went to Bama

[ShotgunDawg]

Have you read his book? Apparently, he didnt decide until right before announcing. He almost went to Bama

Which means that Florida would've started Cam Newton & been a better team

[Cooterpoot]

Which means that Florida would've started Cam Newton & been a better team

You need to get off that Perry County Slimfast.

[ShotgunDawg]

You need to get off that Perry County Slimfast.

You think Tebow is better than Cam?

[Ari Gold]

Couple things once I got thru all the Tebow and Cam takes in the recruiting thread..

The Hill situation looks good and I like where we are
And with Forbes , I said it weeks ago it won’t be over with him until pen hits paper and he is signed. But I had rather be us than anyone else right now.

[Irondawg]

The good news for us on Forbes is our ability to also sell playing time. Yeah we have Jones and Emerson, but one of them could easily be move to FS

[Ifyouonlyknew]

The good news for us on Forbes is our ability to also sell playing time. Yeah we have Jones and Emerson, but one of them could easily be move to FS

We're not moving Jones or Emerson to FS. They're proving to be really good CB you don't move those guys unless a ton of injuries take place. Why would you move 1 of your top 3 CB for next season?

[Irondawg]

We're not moving Jones or Emerson to FS. They're proving to be really good CB you don't move those guys unless a ton of injuries take place. Why would you move 1 of your top 3 CB for next season?

To get the best players on the field potentially. I did just realize Morgan is only a Jr and thought he was a Sr. but who of the young guys is playing FS now? I assume Duncan, but not sure if Murphy is SS or FS. Right now it just seems we need some more playmakers at S

[Avelso]

@IYOK. What’s ur take on Forbes now?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

@IYOK. What’s ur take on Forbes now?

Pretty much what Ari said. Going to be a battle until December but I'd rather try to hold on to a kid than flip a kid.

[msu15]

To get the best players on the field potentially. I did just realize Morgan is only a Jr and thought he was a Sr. but who of the young guys is playing FS now? I assume Duncan, but not sure if Murphy is SS or FS. Right now it just seems we need some more playmakers at S

That Broomfield move to SS really worked out in 2012......

[NCDawg]

That Broomfield move to SS really worked out in 2012......

Especially when Mullen put him on Alshon Jeffery at the end of the South Carolina game.

[msu15]

Especially when Mullen put him on Alshon Jeffery at the end of the South Carolina game.

Don’t remind me. Most of us in the student section were yelling for them not to leave him 1 on 1...and then it happened. Also watching Dan chew out Chris Wilson was incredible.

[HoopsDawg]

This isn't your rotation is it? Eiland 3rd string after being a 2yr starter?

My guess

LT - Cross
LG - Parker
C - Sharp
RG - Reese
RT - Eiland

3rd OT - Dolla 3rd OG - Dolcine Backup C - Smith

strong 8 there.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

The good news for us on Forbes is our ability to also sell playing time. Yeah we have Jones and Emerson, but one of them could easily be move to FS

OM bound

[Lord McBuckethead]

You think Tebow is better than Cam?

Probably about even really, for college. Cam would have destroyed people at Florida, had he not been a thief.

[Scared_Hitless]

Probably about even really, for college. Cam would have destroyed people at Florida, had he not been a thief.

I think Tebow had much better skill talent than Cam did at Auburn. Cam did more with less imo. Both great though

[Irondawg]

Looks like T. McDonald has been offered by Tenn. Some potential concern there, as he's set up a visit for this weekend. Pruitt may not survive but I do expect him to go all out in recruiting in attempt to show signs of life in the program.

Given that we've been the overall better program for some time it still baffles me that they are still much more highly regarded than us. Heck the last 10 years or so Vandy has been better.

[Doggie_Style]

Looks like T. McDonald has been offered by Tenn. Some potential concern there, as he's set up a visit for this weekend. Pruitt may not survive but I do expect him to go all out in recruiting in attempt to show signs of life in the program.

Given that we've been the overall better program for some time it still baffles me that they are still much more highly regarded than us. Heck the last 10 years or so Vandy has been better.

We have some work to do prior to December. Our on the field effort ain't helping things.

[Irondawg]

Yep, I know we have some plan B at CB/S should Forbes or someone bolt.

But OLB is thinner on recruits.

[Irondawg]

Also in news LSU offered OLB prospect Edge Cooper who we were hoping we could flip from Oklahoma.

[sscjr1]

Xavier Hill decommits from Bama

[ShotgunDawg]

Xavier Hill decommits from Bama

Come on down big boy

[ShotgunDawg]

Also in news LSU offered OLB prospect Edge Cooper who we were hoping we could flip from Oklahoma.

MSU needs to find out if that offer is commitable sooner rather than later. My sense is LSU offered him to slow down the process

[ShotgunDawg]

Looks like T. McDonald has been offered by Tenn. Some potential concern there, as he's set up a visit for this weekend. Pruitt may not survive but I do expect him to go all out in recruiting in attempt to show signs of life in the program.

Given that we've been the overall better program for some time it still baffles me that they are still much more highly regarded than us. Heck the last 10 years or so Vandy has been better.

Memphis gonna Memphis. Never be surprised with what a recruit there does.

[Bass Chaser]

Is DeVinner involved with McDonald?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

MSU needs to find out if that offer is commitable sooner rather than later. My sense is LSU offered him to slow down the process

LSU would take him today.

[msu15]

Memphis gonna Memphis. Never be surprised with what a recruit there does.

I’ve said for years that I wish we’d just stay out of there until it gets cleaned up.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I’ve said for years that I wish we’d just stay out of there until it gets cleaned up.

So forever pretty much?

[msu15]

So forever pretty much?

Touche’

[Todd4State]

So forever pretty much?

I was thinking the exact same thing.

[Westdawg]

Who is Jason Brownlee - WR at EMCC from West Point - ??
Seems to ha e been lighting it up the past several games. Is he a legit possibility or more of a G5 ?

[BhamDawg205]

Who is Jason Brownlee - WR at EMCC from West Point - ??
Seems to ha e been lighting it up the past several games. Is he a legit possibility or more of a G5 ?

He was there go to last year at WP... WR/DB great athlete
Quick Stats
Total Receiving Yards 1550
Average Receiving Yards 21.5
Catches 72
Receiving Yards Per Game 50.0
Receiving TDs 21
Total TDs 23

https://www.maxpreps.com/m/athlete/jason-brownlee/C6Dfke9HEeS-8KA2nzwbTA/football/stats.htm

[timotheus]

I saw him several times in high school and never understood why he hasn't gotten more D1 interest.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

He was there go to last year at WP... WR/DB great athlete
Quick Stats
Total Receiving Yards 1550
Average Receiving Yards 21.5
Catches 72
Receiving Yards Per Game 50.0
Receiving TDs 21
Total TDs 23

https://www.maxpreps.com/m/athlete/jason-brownlee/C6Dfke9HEeS-8KA2nzwbTA/football/stats.htm

These stats for his entire HS career

[BhamDawg205]

That's what I found... But stats don't justify what he meant to those championship teams. He made big plays on both sides of the ball. I think those are good seeing that WPs offense was predominately rushing.

[Cooterpoot]

EM WRs are going to put up numbers. Doesn?t make them a P5 player.

[BhamDawg205]

EM WRs are going to put up numbers. Doesn?t make them a P5 player.

I said athlete, offensive and defensive... Follow the link and look closer.

[Cooterpoot]

I know who he is. He’s not making a difference in the SEC. He could go to USM and have a nice career or be a back up and special teams guy for us.

[HoopsDawg]

Weren't we recruiting Groce? He committed to Nebraska

Another LB commit may be flipping to UT soon. My only saving grace on Joe is if he can sign a solid class.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Weren't we recruiting Groce? He committed to Nebraska

Another LB commit may be flipping to UT soon. My only saving grace on Joe is if he can sign a solid class.

Groce was a kid we never pushed for. He was chasing us more so than us chasing him. His speed was a major question. They want a more athletic kid preferably an OLB.

[1bigdawg]

Weren't we recruiting Groce? He committed to Nebraska

Another LB commit may be flipping to UT soon. My only saving grace on Joe is if he can sign a solid class.

I don't believe Groce had a committable offer. Marve does need to step up.

[KOdawg1]

I think Jayland Parker from Ga needs to be a priority now that Cooper has that LSU offer and McDonald seems to be wavering

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I think Jayland Parker from Ga needs to be a priority now that Cooper has that LSU offer and McDonald seems to be wavering

Marve is over there to see him today.

[HoopsDawg]

Groce was a kid we never pushed for. He was chasing us more so than us chasing him. His speed was a major question. They want a more athletic kid preferably an OLB.

Hmm, interesting. Good enough for Nebraska though. I guess with a 4-2-5 you have to have backers that can really run. Maybe Groce is more of a 3-4 inside guy. We are so thin at LB, I hope we can sign 2-3 really good ones.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Hmm, interesting. Good enough for Nebraska though. I guess with a 4-2-5 you have to have backers that can really run. Maybe Groce is more of a 3-4 inside guy. We are so thin at LB, I hope we can sign 2-3 really good ones.

Idk what Nebraska runs maybe a 3-4 but Groce ran a 5.05 40 this spring & that hurt him with the SEC schools who were recruiting him. Who knows may have been a bad day. Maybe we get desperate late & invite him in for an OV but right now he's not a take.

[msu15]

I think Jayland Parker from Ga needs to be a priority now that Cooper has that LSU offer and McDonald seems to be wavering

I believe that if we push for him we get him.

[Commercecomet24]

Idk what Nebraska runs maybe a 3-4 but Groce ran a 5.05 40 this spring & that hurt him with the SEC schools who were recruiting him. Who knows may have been a bad day. Maybe we get desperate late & invite him in for an OV but right now he's not a take.

Yikes I can still run that.

[Bothrops]

LB recruiting has been something of a concern since we signed Willie Gay. Any chance LSU offers Tyrus Wheat as well? How can we not sell real playing time here??

[Todd4State]

LB recruiting has been something of a concern since we signed Willie Gay. Any chance LSU offers Tyrus Wheat as well? How can we not sell real playing time here??

Wheat goes to Co-Lin and therefore will be a Dawg.

[Bothrops]

Wheat goes to Co-Lin and therefore will be a Dawg.

I would think so, but is from La and is a difference maker. Just hoping we can hold on to one LB in this class.

[Todd4State]

I would think so, but is from La and is a difference maker. Just hoping we can hold on to one LB in this class.

LSU doesn't have to hit JUCO's hard like we do and I don't think they are going to be a threat for Wheat. I'm not sure how Joe will play it if we crap out on the out of state LB's. We may have to take a flyer on an in state guy or something like that and then hope that there are some 2021 LB's that we can land.

[Cooterpoot]

I would think so, but is from La and is a difference maker. Just hoping we can hold on to one LB in this class.

They’re not offering him. But he’s going to need to get himself ready to play in the SEC. Our recruiting is so hit and miss. Doesn't matter who is our coach. It’s so damn hard to recruit to State. Thin a couple places every year.

[ZedFedder]

https://247sports.com/Article/CJ-Stroud-Jahmyr-Gibbs-Anthony-Richardson-ranking-136490428/

Apologies if this has already been mentioned. Marks in the article as well as the RB Ole Miss has committed from Columbia.

[Todd4State]

https://247sports.com/Article/CJ-Stroud-Jahmyr-Gibbs-Anthony-Richardson-ranking-136490428/

Apologies if this has already been mentioned. Marks in the article as well as the RB Ole Miss has committed from Columbia.

Yeah- Ole Miss's diamond in the rough RB with few offers gets a four star and the experts act like they don't know where Mississippi is with our guys.

[ShotgunDawg]

Yeah- Ole Miss's diamond in the rough RB with few offers gets a four star and the experts act like they don't know where Mississippi is with our guys.

I don't get this at all.

Is this guy a 4 star player & better yet, is he better than Dean & some others of ours?

[Bothrops]

Yeah- Ole Miss's diamond in the rough RB with few offers gets a four star and the experts act like they don't know where Mississippi is with our guys.

Kinda makes you wonder doesn't it?

[1bigdawg]

I don't get this at all.

Is this guy a 4 star player & better yet, is he better than Dean & some others of ours?

Is he really a 4.35 forty athlete or is that just Ole Miss propaganda?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I don't get this at all.

Is this guy a 4 star player & better yet, is he better than Dean & some others of ours?

He's a legit player but so is Dean. Dean needs his film looked at but I'm not going to knock Bullock to prop up Dean.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Is he really a 4.35 forty athlete or is that just Ole Miss propaganda?


Of course not but he's very fast.

[Cooterpoot]

Bullock is a 4.4 guy. He can fly. Durability has been his issue in the past but he’s been healthy this year. OM locked him up though.

[Hambone]

Like duffle bag locked him up or is going to stay at his house all hours of the night locked him up? Haha

[Goldendawg]

According to Red Cup Rebellion, both Dillon Johnson and Emmanuel Forbes are at the UM-Vandy game. They say flipping Forbes is a major priority and are recruiting Johnson as a safety.

[Bothrops]

According to Red Cup Rebellion, both Dillon Johnson and Emmanuel Forbes are at the UM-Vandy game. They say flipping Forbes is a major priority and are recruiting Johnson as a safety.

What sucks is we will get massacred in our next 2 home games, which makes visiting us pretty terrible, and useless for the home team.

[Todd4State]

He's a legit player but so is Dean. Dean needs his film looked at but I'm not going to knock Bullock to prop up Dean.

Well, I will knock them for not properly evaluating our guys.

[BhamDawg205]

You know sometimes it better for our guys to fly under the radar, not evaluated correctly by recruiting sites. Maybe Mullen and crew got too much credit for developing guys. Or they had an eye for "diamonds in the rough". I feel it's somewhere in the middle. I think MS players will always be under valued, unless it's a Jeffrey Simmons type. For national perception and rankings it hurts. But it helps keeping Cox and Banks talent home.

[msu15]

You know sometimes it better for our guys to fly under the radar, not evaluated correctly by recruiting sites. Maybe Mullen and crew got too much credit for developing guys. Or they had an eye for "diamonds in the rough". I feel it's somewhere in the middle. I think MS players will always be under valued, unless it's a Jeffrey Simmons type. For national perception and rankings it hurts. But it helps keeping Cox and Banks talent home.

I know what you’re saying, but Fletcher was highly recruited and OV’d to Bama.

[BhamDawg205]

I know what you’re saying, but Fletcher was highly recruited and OV’d to Bama.

You're right on Cox... Hopefully more MS kids figure out they can make to the NFL at State. And start to pay attention to how many MS kids don't see the field at Bama and the likes.

[Todd4State]

You know sometimes it better for our guys to fly under the radar, not evaluated correctly by recruiting sites. Maybe Mullen and crew got too much credit for developing guys. Or they had an eye for "diamonds in the rough". I feel it's somewhere in the middle. I think MS players will always be under valued, unless it's a Jeffrey Simmons type. For national perception and rankings it hurts. But it helps keeping Cox and Banks talent home.

I think it hurts for two reasons:

1. It hurts fan morale because it gives the false impression that we aren't recruiting well. Which can potentially hurt support overall.

2. I don't want other coaches telling players that if they commit to MSU that they won't be ranked as high. Yes, that's an ego thing for the players but who doesn't want what they properly earn?

[Cooterpoot]

Look, recruiting rankings are mostly fake news. We could sign a top 10 class and it would be ranked 15th+.

[Todd4State]

Look, recruiting rankings are mostly fake news. We could sign a top 10 class and it would be ranked 15th+.

I think 15-20 nationally is our ceiling. We're always going to take a few under the radar guys that will be three stars because the recruiting services are too lazy to look at them.

[maroonmania]

What sucks is we will get massacred in our next 2 home games, which makes visiting us pretty terrible, and useless for the home team.

Worst home game schedule in recent memory. First 3 games played in a furnace, next 2 games we will get blown out, the next game we will blow out Abil Christian and then the Egg Bowl on a major holiday. Not a lot of incentive there for ticket sales and recruiting visits.

[BhamDawg205]

I think it hurts for two reasons:

1. It hurts fan morale because it gives the false impression that we aren't recruiting well. Which can potentially hurt support overall.

2. I don't want other coaches telling players that if they commit to MSU that they won't be ranked as high. Yes, that's an ego thing for the players but who doesn't want what they properly earn?

I get what you're saying. And agree to a point.... I don't feel there's much difference in talent after top 12-15. Now, that's when coaching makes a big difference. That 09 and 14 was packed with highly sought out recruits, my memory fails me sometime; age and kids. I think them been under the valued by those services worked in our favor. Just like clockwork every 3-5 years we should make noise in the SEC.

[msu15]

I get what you're saying. And agree to a point.... I don't feel there's much difference in talent after top 12-15. Now, that's when coaching makes a big difference. That 09 and 14 was packed with highly sought out recruits, my memory fails me sometime; age and kids. I think them been under the valued by those services worked in our favor. Just like clockwork every 3-5 years we should make noise in the SEC.
14 was not a highly recruited class at all, 15 was though.

[Todd4State]

I'm gonna say it. We need to offer Tray Bishop from Navarro CC. 4 star JUCO safety. Former Auburn commit. Committed to Georgia and transferred out after he made a sex tape and the girlfriend field charges of which Bishop was found guilty of because the girl didn't consent to it.

Go ahead and disagree with me on the way to another disappointing seven win season while we take the high road.

[timotheus]

Since we have Jomo steering the O, any top notch D help will be much appreciated.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I'm gonna say it. We need to offer Tray Bishop from Navarro CC. 4 star JUCO safety. Former Auburn commit. Committed to Georgia and transferred out after he made a sex tape and the girlfriend field charges of which Bishop was found guilty of because the girl didn't consent to it.

Go ahead and disagree with me on the way to another disappointing seven win season while we take the high road.

I'm pretty sure he's not allowed back in the SEC. I think that's why no SEC teams have offered. Has 0 to do with the "high road".

[Cooterpoot]

Prepare for bad news.

[vv83]

Prepare for bad news.

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[Irondawg]

hopefully not Marks who was visiting Wisconsin today

[Bothrops]

If anybody thinks we get Marks now, they're crazy.

[Homedawg]

If anybody thinks we get Marks now, they're crazy.

Damnit dan!!!*****

[msstate7]

Prepare for bad news.

I assume McDonald probably saw the game yesterday. Is he who you talking about?

[KOdawg1]

I assume McDonald probably saw the game yesterday. Is he who you talking about?

That would be my guess.

I would encourage everyone not to become too invested in recruiting for awhile. Things are headed south, and they will get worse before they get better.

[Doggie_Style]

If anybody thinks we get Marks now, they're crazy.

I never thought we would get Marks.....I could see this shit-show coming since the Iowa debacle....I have always said I would not post here for a year if ******** signed Marks...I stand by that

[Hambone]

Looks like Forbes and Marks are about to go public

[msstate7]

Looks like Forbes and Marks are about to go public

This class is about to get nuked if this is true

[timotheus]

All Marks is doing is observing how Aeris williams and nick gibson are treated by Joe. Joe begged Gibson to stay and just look how he's used. 3 plays a game is a joke. Joe cannot coach players that he personally doesn't like.

[Bothrops]

I never thought we would get Marks.....I could see this shit-show coming since the Iowa debacle....I have always said I would not post here for a year if ******** signed Marks...I stand by that

We were gonna get Marks if Joe had turned out to be what we were hoping this year. Joe himself ****ed that up.

[Doggie_Style]

Just how ugly is this going to get? Marks, Forbes, McDonald and now Tulu wavering....have we taken our first steps back into the wilderness?

[msstate7]

Just how ugly is this going to get? Marks, Forbes, McDonald and now Tulu wavering....have we taken our first steps back into the wilderness?

Who tulu considering?

[KOdawg1]

Who tulu considering?

Flirting with OM but who knows. Like I said, try not to get too invested

[Irondawg]

It's going to get ugly on here if we start losing recruits to OM when while we are not having a good year they aren't doing all that better and their OC and DC aren't going to hang around very long I don't think

[KOdawg1]

It's going to get ugly on here if we start losing recruits to OM when while we are not having a good year they aren't doing all that better and their OC and DC aren't going to hang around very long I don't think

One of them will as their HC

[DeputyDawg94]

If the on filed issues continue I expect the whole class to implode.

[ZedFedder]

2021 Philadelphia athlete Kadarius Calloway commits to State.

https://247sports.com/Player/Kadarius-Calloway-46085605/

[ScoobaDawg]

2021 Philadelphia athlete Kadarius Calloway commits to State.

https://247sports.com/Player/Kadarius-Calloway-46085605/


What's the story here. unranked. beat out southern miss looks like.

Oh... he's class of 21.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

2021 Philadelphia athlete Kadarius Calloway commits to State.

https://247sports.com/Player/Kadarius-Calloway-46085605/

Top 5-10 player in the state next year.

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/11323754/5d92ea3402b1a512bcc60bb5

[HoopsDawg]

What's the story here. unranked. beat out southern miss looks like.

Oh... he's class of 21.

Yeah, good player. Hard to get excited about any 2021 kid. I guess JoMo wanted to tweet out some good news.

[Bothrops]

Kid has 8 interceptions this season...Wow!

[KOdawg1]

This is what gets me. Joe can recruit. I think he would elevate our talent level here. But its a matter of what he would do with them once they got here thats concerning. I really am rooting for the guy, just for the sole reason that he can recruit very well and seems to take recruiting seriously. But he already has turned Dans recruits soft. Imagine what he will do to his own

[Cooterpoot]

This is what gets me. Joe can recruit. I think he would elevate our talent level here. But its a matter of what he would do with them once they got here thats concerning. I really am rooting for the guy, just for the sole reason that he can recruit very well and seems to take recruiting seriously. But he already has turned Dans recruits soft. Imagine what he will do to his own

He’s not recruiting better from a talent standpoint. Current class (if it sticks) will finish around 25-30.

[msu15]

He’s not recruiting better from a talent standpoint. Current class (if it sticks) will finish around 25-30.

Mullen’s 3rd class was in the 40’s. He’s recruiting better.

[dawgday166]

Mullen’s 3rd class was in the 40’s. He’s recruiting better.

You're right .. what a bummer of a class. Took us to #1.

So we gotta hope that if he stays, Moorhead can evaluate as well as Mullen. I will say Shrader and the 2 young DBs from last year look very promising. But Moorhead also has to make sure to even out the position groups too ... which is probably Mullen's main fault.

[msstate7]

Mullen’s 3rd class was in the 40’s. He’s recruiting better.

If you're gonna compare 3rd class to 3rd class, seems comparing the 3 classes leading up to each tenure is important for context.

Before Mullen... 2006-8: 40th, 34th, 53rd (avg 42.3)
Mullen... 2009-11: 18th, 30th, 41st (avg 29.7)

Mullen... 2015-17: 18th, 28th, 24th (avg 23.3)
Moorhead... 2018-20: 27th, 24th, ?

So Mullen in his first 3 classes raised our recruiting rankings over croom's last 3 by 12.6 spots.

Moorhead's 3rd class isn't complete, but he has to finish 19th this season just to tie Mullen's last 3. Doubt that happens

[Bothrops]

If you're gonna compare 3rd class to 3rd class, seems comparing the 3 classes leading up to each tenure is important for context.

Before Mullen... 2006-8: 40th, 34th, 53rd (avg 42.3)
Mullen... 2009-11: 18th, 30th, 41st (avg 29.7)

Mullen... 2015-17: 18th, 28th, 24th (avg 23.3)
Moorhead... 2018-20: 27th, 24th, ?

So Mullen in his first 3 classes raised our recruiting rankings over croom's last 3 by 12.6 spots.

Moorhead's 3rd class isn't complete, but he has to finish 19th this season just to tie Mullen's last 3. Doubt that happens

When it comes to recruiting, Moorhead is several spots above Mullen. There are several players here and committed that we wouldn't have under Dan, including Shrader.

[msstate7]

When it comes to recruiting, Moorhead is several spots above Mullen. There are several players here and committed that we wouldn't have under Dan, including Shrader.

Well there's no data to support that.

[KOdawg1]

He’s not recruiting better from a talent standpoint. Current class (if it sticks) will finish around 25-30.

We don't get Charles Cross with Mullen

[msugolf]

When it comes to recruiting, Moorhead is several spots above Mullen. There are several players here and committed that we wouldn't have under Dan, including Shrader.

1. I'd wait till signing day to be touting his recruiting skills. I think we'll lose a couple of highly rated guys.

2. Were currently 20th with 6-7 more commits than a lot of other schools. We've hit our ceiling on that ranking while others can move past us.

3. Dan had several classes in the mid 20s (where this one will end up IMO). And he had a class ranked 18th.

4. Our highest rated guys in this class are skill guys which tend to be more hit or miss than interior guys.

All that to say I think the notions of JoMo being some elite recruiter are being grossly exaggerated and it's become the narrative with everyone that mentions keeping him.

[msugolf]

We don't get Charles Cross with Mullen

We don't get Dak Prescott with JoMo

[KOdawg1]

We don't get Dak Prescott with JoMo

You're right. I'm not trying to turn this into a JoMo vs. Mullen debate. Mullen is a far superior coach and probably better at finding ''diamonds in the rough'' type players. I'm just saying Joe gives more effort in recruiting, and therefore, will land a high end player or two that Mullen would not have. That's not saying that I want to keep Joe bc I'm getting sick of him too. At the end of the day though, we'll be around the same in the recruiting rankings bc we're Mississippi State. We're never going to recruit at a high level.

[Irondawg]

You also have to look at circumstances as well.

Mullen got to recruit against OM while they were being investigated. A large part of how well both OM and MSU recruit is tied to in-state class quality and rankings. Then last year we only signed 2 of the top 10 in state for a variety of weird reasons and still did ok. This year we may only get 2-3 as well but 24/7 rankings still seem a big jacked up compared to how many programs actually want some of these guys.

The big things with recruiting to me is can you go out of state and grab some guys. We did with GS, but this year we're hardly doing any of that which is a tad concerning.

[Really Clark?]

You also have to look at circumstances as well.

Mullen got to recruit against OM while they were being investigated. A large part of how well both OM and MSU recruit is tied to in-state class quality and rankings. Then last year we only signed 2 of the top 10 in state for a variety of weird reasons and still did ok. This year we may only get 2-3 as well but 24/7 rankings still seem a big jacked up compared to how many programs actually want some of these guys.

The big things with recruiting to me is can you go out of state and grab some guys. We did with GS, but this year we're hardly doing any of that which is a tad concerning.

Mullen also had to recruit against them while they were doing all the illegal things they did to get investigated. Which many held against Mullen at the time for getting out recruited. That definitely went both ways during Mullen?s time here

[Irondawg]

True - at the end of the day the state produces enough rates talent that we should always be in the 30's. It's how you can sell your program outside the state that tells me if you can really recruit or not. That and keeping the absolute top talent in state if you have more influence than OM in that area. I mean a kid like Dean was a great fit at MSU (4H kid, etc) and it was a position of huge need and we couldn't even get an official visit.

[msbulldog]

True - at the end of the day the state produces enough rates talent that we should always be in the 30's. It's how you can sell your program outside the state that tells me if you can really recruit or not. That and keeping the absolute top talent in state if you have more influence than OM in that area. I mean a kid like Dean was a great fit at MSU (4H kid, etc) and it was a position of huge need and we couldn't even get an official visit.

Kinda hard going against Georgia, who lately have been in the playoff discussion.

[Irondawg]

I'm just saying we couldn't even get him on an official. Losing to Georgia isn't anything totally shameful but if we're going to climb the mountain we have to keep some of the top players in state and at MSU

[Bothrops]

1. I'd wait till signing day to be touting his recruiting skills. I think we'll lose a couple of highly rated guys.

2. Were currently 20th with 6-7 more commits than a lot of other schools. We've hit our ceiling on that ranking while others can move past us.

3. Dan had several classes in the mid 20s (where this one will end up IMO). And he had a class ranked 18th.

4. Our highest rated guys in this class are skill guys which tend to be more hit or miss than interior guys.

All that to say I think the notions of JoMo being some elite recruiter are being grossly exaggerated and it's become the narrative with everyone that mentions keeping him.

If Mullen was still here right now, our current class would be many spots down from where we currently sit. Now, this class is likely to get dismantled due to bad losses this year, but if everything else is equal on the field, JoMo tops Mullen in recruiting.

[timotheus]

but JoMo couldn't motivate a soul, thus the end result will be much worse.

[Doggie_Style]

If Mullen was still here right now, our current class would be many spots down from where we currently sit. Now, this class is likely to get dismantled due to bad losses this year, but if everything else is equal on the field, JoMo tops Mullen in recruiting.

.....and if IF were a skiff we could all go sailing.....this is so disheartening

[Cooterpoot]

If Mullen was still here right now, our current class would be many spots down from where we currently sit. Now, this class is likely to get dismantled due to bad losses this year, but if everything else is equal on the field, JoMo tops Mullen in recruiting.
No it wouldn’t. It would be within a point or two in the rankings either way. Even keeping who we have, we’re going to finish mid 20s at best anyway, and bottom of our division.

[Bothrops]

No it wouldn’t. It would be within a point or two in the rankings either way. Even keeping who we have, we’re going to finish mid 20s at best anyway, and bottom of our division.

Nope, because Marks would have never been on the list.

[Really Clark?]

Nope, because Marks would have never been on the list.

That’s false, in the sense that Mullen signed a player rated that high or higher nearly every year...2 players higher than Marks in 2 classes, I believe. Cooter point is pretty much right on

[BrunswickDawg]

FYI - Don't know who he is looking at, but my cousin just texted me that Deke Adams is at the Marietta vs McEachern game outside Atlanta. Hopefully my Marietta Blue Devils can pull one out tonight.

[Todd4State]

No it wouldn’t. It would be within a point or two in the rankings either way. Even keeping who we have, we’re going to finish mid 20s at best anyway, and bottom of our division.

The biggest thing Joe has done is balance out the roster. That’s a big deal. We shouldn’t be starting freshmen at DT.

[Bothrops]

That’s false, in the sense that Mullen signed a player rated that high or higher nearly every year...2 players higher than Marks in 2 classes, I believe. Cooter point is pretty much right on

We aren't talking about other classes. Marks would not be a Mullen commit. I'll let you find an equal or greater ranked player that Mullen would have committed right now.

[Really Clark?]

We aren't talking about other classes. Marks would not be a Mullen commit. I'll let you find an equal or greater ranked player that Mullen would have committed right now.

I don’t have to, your statement is just hyperbole because we have a history showing that Mullen did have players rated higher for several of his classes.

[Bothrops]

I don’t have to, your statement is just hyperbole because we have a history showing that Mullen did have players rated higher for several of his classes.

We'll see how Marks ends up in the rankings.

[msstate7]

We'll see how Marks ends up in the rankings.

You think he ends up a 5-star like Simmons or Jones?

[msugolf]

You think he ends up a 5-star like Simmons or Jones?

It doesn't matter who we have at RB with this Mickey Mouse offense where he runs over to the qb, STOPS, then has to get the ball and read the defense. Takes about 3 seconds before he can actually get back to the LOS. That's why Kylin is struggling against average to above average teams. OL can't be expected to hold their blocks for that long while all this reading of the defense is going on.

[Bothrops]

It doesn't matter who we have at RB with this Mickey Mouse offense where he runs over to the qb, STOPS, then has to get the ball and read the defense. Takes about 3 seconds before he can actually get back to the LOS. That's why Kylin is struggling against average to above average teams. OL can't be expected to hold their blocks for that long while all this reading of the defense is going on.

The chances of us signing Marks are slipping by the day. Kylin lacks vision and speed. He's tough though and plays for a shit team. I also agree, this offense won't do anyone any favors. Perhaps it's designed for little league football.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

The chances of us signing Marks are slipping by the day. Kylin lacks vision and speed. He's tough though and plays for a shit team. I also agree, this offense won't do anyone any favors. Perhaps it's designed for little league football.

If Joe is here so will Marks. If Joe is gone then all bets are off.

[jacksondawg]

Saw where Martavius French LB from Memphis decommitted from Arkansas today. Any shot here? I know we were on him at one point.

[KOdawg1]

Saw where Martavius French LB from Memphis decommitted from Arkansas today. Any shot here? I know we were on him at one point.

It seems like the Memphis LB trio (French, McDonald, and Eason) are trending to UT.

[jacksondawg]

It seems like the Memphis LB trio (French, McDonald, and Eason) are trending to UT.

That's what I assumed