THE 2020 MSU Football Recruiting Talk Thread

[Bothrops]

Not saying it isn't. I'm just wanting to see results that show joe is such an upgrade over Mullen recruiting. Right now, the difference is hard to see bc we're where we've always been. Oh, and bothrops, 18 of our 21 commits are from miss or play juco in miss, so if this is a down year in miss, we screwed

How is it an upgrade you ask...because we wouldn't have our 2 highest rated guys signing tomorrow if Mullen was here, that's just for starters.

[BhamDawg205]

Agree.. he should have gotten more carries IMO

I think Gibson should have gotten touches.

[hacker]

Is Marks supposed to sign today?

[Ari Gold]

Is Marks supposed to sign today?

Yes, and EE , and I think get a couple of bowl practices In..

[Ari Gold]

Is Marks supposed to sign today?

Yes, and EE , and I think get a couple of bowl practices In..

[ZedFedder]

Josaih Hayes from Horn Lake surprisingly signs with Kentucky. He wasn't ever coming to State, so good to see the Rebels lose out on this one.

[msstate7]

Josaih Hayes from Horn Lake surprisingly signs with Kentucky. He wasn't ever coming to State, so good to see the Rebels lose out on this one.

Yep, but also bad that Kentucky (permanent opponent) got him

[Cooterpoot]

Yep, but also bad that Kentucky (permanent opponent) got him

Meh, he’s not an SEC starter. Depth at best.

[Bothrops]

Kentucky got 3 four star players in like two days.

[Ari Gold]

Here is where probation is about to rear it’s head for the shit bags at OM .. Lack of depth esp at the DL position , transfers from previous classes and lack of overall talent on defense ..
Good luck Freshwater...you better score a shit ton of points the next 2 years...

[Homedawg]

Meh, he’s not an SEC starter. Depth at best.

Not sour grapes at all, the guy isn't any good.

[msu15]

Yep, but also bad that Kentucky (permanent opponent) got him

We didn’t want him

[timotheus]

The DJ had a photo of him in the paper about shark recruiting. LOL

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Possible OT prospect? https://247sports.com/player/kelin-williams-46056578/

LB Prospect? https://247sports.com/player/devyn-curtis-46054916/

[MaroonFlounder]

What is the deal with WRs EJ Mason and Alex Adams? Grades? Where will they end up?

[KOdawg1]

What is the deal with WRs EJ Mason and Alex Adams? Grades? Where will they end up?

E Jai screwed himself by decommitting back in the spring. He'll go G5.

Alex has grade issues. Juco

[KOdawg1]

LB Prospect? https://247sports.com/player/devyn-curtis-46054916/

Good find. Possibly

[ShotgunDawg]

Hopefully we can sign Alex Adams.

To me he's a no risk situation since, if you sign him and can get him eligible then that's a big win for you.

If you sign him & he has to go JUCO, then you still have the scholly to get a grad transfer in the Summer

[HailStateSZN19]

Hopefully we can sign Alex Adams.

To me he's a no risk situation since, if you sign him and can get him eligible then that's a big win for you.

If you sign him & he has to go JUCO, then you still have the scholly to get a grad transfer in the Summer

He would only count against the 26 number for this class if he wound up not qualifying and having to go JUCO, correct?

We've got 22 right now, so 4 left to spare. Need an OLB and 1-2 more OL. That leaves us 1-2 spots left to use in the class.

Sign him and use one of those spots and pray he gets eligible because he's a really solid WR and like you've said today, that's the spot you can/have to take risks at.

I would assume there's going to be some attrition to the roster to make sure we're at/below 83 with maybe a spot or 2 to use for like a grad transfer. Then go get either an immediate impact grad transfer at WR (especially if Adams weren't to qualify in this scenario) or Safety.

Sounds like he's been seriously considering re-committing to us & I'd definitely take him and just pray he finds a way to get eligible.

[HoopsDawg]

Hopefully we can sign Alex Adams.

To me he's a no risk situation since, if you sign him and can get him eligible then that's a big win for you.

If you sign him & he has to go JUCO, then you still have the scholly to get a grad transfer in the Summer

Definitely sign him as our 26th signee.

[Todd4State]

I don't believe the NCAA allows you to sign and place anymore. That doesn't mean we won't place Adams at Co-Lin. He just may not be in the class.

[Homedawg]

I don't believe the NCAA allows you to sign and place anymore. That doesn't mean we won't place Adams at Co-Lin. He just may not be in the class.

Nothing they can do to stop it. But the league limit basically makes it impossible unless you only have a very limited number of scholarships to give

[Leroy Jenkins]

Nothing they can do to stop it. But the league limit basically makes it impossible unless you only have a very limited number of scholarships to give

The NCAA rule is you get 25 new schollys each year. If they make it to campus or not... "sign and place" or offering marginal qualifiers is all but dead.

[msstate7]

The NCAA rule is you get 25 new schollys each year. If they make it to campus or not... "sign and place" or offering marginal qualifiers is all but dead.

Penn st signed 27 today

[HoopsDawg]

Penn st signed 27 today

We can sign 26.

[Homedawg]

The NCAA rule is you get 25 new schollys each year. If they make it to campus or not... "sign and place" or offering marginal qualifiers is all but dead.

First, that's an sec rule as far as signing. The 25 rule for scholarships is no different than it has been in forever..... Second, for the sec , All but dead and allowing it are two different things. Clearly you didn't read my post very well.

[MetEdDawg]

Deontae Lawson puts us in his top 10. 4 star OLB out of Mobile. Has a lot of solid teams in his Top 10.

Any chances there?? Would be a big get for Moorhead pulling that one off.

[ShotgunDawg]

Deontae Lawson puts us in his top 10. 4 star OLB out of Mobile. Has a lot of solid teams in his Top 10.

Any chances there?? Would be a big get for Moorhead pulling that one off.

I'm sure a blue blood will find a spot for him and we'll never hear of him again.

[Leroy Jenkins]

First, that's an sec rule as far as signing.

Its an SEC rule because it is an NCAA rule..... so, yeah, it is an SEC rule.

https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/reports/getReport/90008

13.9.3.3 Limitation on Number of National Letter of Intent/Offer of Financial Aid Signings -- Bowl
Subdivision Football. [FBS] In bowl subdivision football, there shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of
prospective student-athletes who may sign a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial aid and studentathletes who may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time. [D] (effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17)

13.9.3.3.1 Application. [FBS] A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an
institutional offer of financial aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid
will be initially provided in the fall term of an academic year shall count toward the annual limit on signings for that
academic year. A prospective student-athlete who signs a National Letter of Intent or an institutional offer of financial
aid or a student-athlete who signs a financial aid agreement that specifies financial aid will be initially provided during
the second or third term of the academic year may count toward the limit for that academic year or the limit for the
next academic year. (Adopted: 1/14/12 effective 8/1/12, Revised: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after
8/1/17)

ETA: if you sign a non-qualifier that scholly is tied up until the next term regardless of if the kid qualifies or not. Hence, the sign and place practice = dead.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Penn st signed 27 today

The 25 limit is for first-time enrolls, per calendar year; so as long as they had two unused schollys leftover from the previous year (and those two enroll before 2020) they count against the 2019 class not 2020.

ETA: A grad transfer also wouldn't count toward the 25 since they are not first-time awardees, they only count against the 85..... I think.

[msbulldog]

The 25 limit is for first-time enrolls, per calendar year; so as long as they had two unused schollys leftover from the previous year (and those two enroll before 2020) they count against the 2019 class not 2020.

ETA: A grad transfer also wouldn't count toward the 25 since they are not first-time awardees, they only count against the 85..... I think.

Correct

[StateDawg44]

I'm sure a blue blood will find a spot for him and we'll never hear of him again.

Such an inferiority complex

[ShotgunDawg]

Such an inferiority complex

Not really. Just pointing out the stupidity of the system.

[timotheus]

Not really. Just pointing out the stupidity of the system.

Just make him feel appreciated. Nothing complicated and have him visit.

[MetEdDawg]

Not really. Just pointing out the stupidity of the system.

Yeah but Mobile is less than 20 miles from MS. So it's basically MS. So 9 out of 10 times we should get a kid like this.

[StateDawg44]

Not really. Just pointing out the stupidity of the system.


Whatever is convenient for your complaint in this hour I guess.

[ShotgunDawg]

Whatever is convenient for your complaint in this hour I guess.

Well you're complaining about me. What's the difference?

You're just as negative if not more.

[StateDawg44]

Well you're complaining about me. What's the difference?

You're just as negative if not more.

Where in my two posts is there even one complaint? I called you out for making a post similar to what me and others were arguing with you about in another thread.

Then you deflected.

Then I stated you like to change your narrative to fit whatever it is you are posting about this time. No complaints here. These are facts.

I'm pretty sure everyone here knows who is more negative and complains more. What a joke that comment is.

It is true the main thing I'm really ever negative on here towards is you or other dumb comments. I don't deny that. It seems you bring out the worst in people. Kudos to you.

[ShotgunDawg]

Where in my two posts is there even one complaint? I called you out for making a post similar to what me and others were arguing with you about in another thread.

Then you deflected.

Then I stated you like to change your narrative to fit whatever it is you are posting about this time. No complaints here. These are facts.

I'm pretty sure everyone here knows who is more negative and complains more. What a joke that comment is.

It is true the main thing I'm really ever negative on here towards is you or other dumb comments. I don't deny that. It seems you bring out the worst in people. Kudos to you.

I can't imagine waking up every day and worrying about a message board poster being negative.

That life must suck.

[msstate7]

I'll out-negative both of you... now back to recruiting, what's our target board look like starting with long shots to actually got a good shot?

[HailStateSZN19]

I'll out-negative both of you... now back to recruiting, what's our target board look like starting with long shots to actually got a good shot?

I'm in no way an expert or know what the board will necessarily look like now, Ari/IYOK/Homedawg and others will have a good read on that stuff, but going off of what's been said on 247 for a while, seems like these names might be some we look at going forward:

OL- Jalen St. John, Quantavious Leslie, Marcus Henderson (but has hinted at wanting to play DL instead of OL), Kahlil Benson, and Dylan Spencer

OLB- Edgerrin Cooper & Devyn Curtis (if I had to guess, think this will be a spot we really see some new names pop up)

Sounds like we might look to add an older Safety possibly through the portal and same goes with WR. Or might see Rufus & Alex Adams pick up some steam at WR too.

Regardless of what HS guys we add in Feb., hopefully there's enough attrition from the current roster that we 100% go after a grad transfer WR in the portal.

[Irondawg]

Can anyone give more information about Selman and Threatt as secondary prospects. They were probably our two least talked about recruits and we took them early despite having a ton of SEC level DB's in MS, AL, LA.

[Bothrops]

Can anyone give more information about Selman and Threatt as secondary prospects. They were probably our two least talked about recruits and we took them early despite having a ton of SEC level DB's in MS, AL, LA.

Selman was a 4 star until he got injured, or committed to MSU, one or the other. Threatt is a kid that had a pretty good season in the secondary. That's all I've got.

[vv83]

Selman was a 4 star until he got injured, or committed to MSU, one or the other. Threatt is a kid that had a pretty good season in the secondary. That's all I've got.

He was a high 4 star at the beginning, like a 95. Then was a fringe low 4 star right before he committed then just kept falling

[MaroonFlounder]

Hinds CC Rodney Hawkins,Jr. lists himself as WR/DB on Twitter. Announced he will be furthering his football and academic career at MSU.

Preferred walk-on? Height/weight? Juco stats? Offense or Defense?

[Jarius]

Selman was a 4 star until he got injured, or committed to MSU, one or the other. Threatt is a kid that had a pretty good season in the secondary. That's all I've got.

He got injured and went to a camp shortly after his injury. Didn't have a good showing because he was still injured. When healthy he is really good.

[Jarius]

I don't believe the NCAA allows you to sign and place anymore. That doesn't mean we won't place Adams at Co-Lin. He just may not be in the class.

We will sign and place Adams.

[yjnkdawg]

I don't believe the NCAA allows you to sign and place anymore. That doesn't mean we won't place Adams at Co-Lin. He just may not be in the class.


The NCAA will allow you to sign and place, but when you do, then you can't use that scholarship for any other potential signee. You don't do that very much now (rarely), but Adams is worth the risk.

[Todd4State]

The NCAA will allow you to sign and place, but when you do, then you can't use that scholarship for any other potential signee. You don't do that very much now (rarely), but Adams is worth the risk.

I agree. Especially with our wide receiver situation being what it is. Any way we can get another potential four star immediately or in two years is worth the risk.

[Cooterpoot]

There's zero point in signing and placing. We're about to be at a scholarship shortage. Adams will go to CoLin and we can sign him later. There's no benefit whatsoever in a sign and place. Just let him do a commitment presser and have his day then let him sign his Juco papers.

[Coursesuper]

There's zero point in signing and placing. We're about to be at a scholarship shortage. Adams will go to CoLin and we can sign him later. There's no benefit whatsoever in a sign and place. Just let him do a commitment presser and have his day then let him sign his Juco papers.

This.

[Todd4State]

There's zero point in signing and placing. We're about to be at a scholarship shortage. Adams will go to CoLin and we can sign him later. There's no benefit whatsoever in a sign and place. Just let him do a commitment presser and have his day then let him sign his Juco papers.

Actually we're typically at a self imposed shortage anyway.

[msu15]

Actually we're typically at a self imposed shortage anyway.

Wrong

[msbulldog]

There's zero point in signing and placing. We're about to be at a scholarship shortage. Adams will go to CoLin and we can sign him later. There's no benefit whatsoever in a sign and place. Just let him do a commitment presser and have his day then let him sign his Juco papers.

Absolutely correct, Coot!

[confucius say]

The 25 limit is for first-time enrolls, per calendar year; so as long as they had two unused schollys leftover from the previous year (and those two enroll before 2020) they count against the 2019 class not 2020.

ETA: A grad transfer also wouldn't count toward the 25 since they are not first-time awardees, they only count against the 85..... I think.

So what is the definition of a first time enrollee? Sounds like it is a player who has not enrolled at any four year college previously?

[Todd4State]

Wrong

We undersigned every year except for two since 2011.

[ShotgunDawg]

Here's what I'm in favor of:

Doing whatever we have to do to get dynamic talent.

If our coaches think signing and placing Alex Adams gives us the best chance to get him either now or later, then that's what we should do.

You know who wins games? Teams with dynamic talent. I couldn't careless if we have 80 guys on scholarship or 85. Doesn't matter to me because those last 5 guys don't win or lose you games. Get impact players however you gotta do it. That's what wins games.

You know I'm right. So don't even attempt to argue this point.

[Cooterpoot]

Give me Adams and Harvey instead of just Adams. Because that's literally a possibility. I'll take two WRs bs one. And that signing BS doesn't matter to Adams if he knows he's going Juco. He could do a MSU signing presser and sign Juco papers without ever signing with us.
This isn't hard to figure out.

[Jarius]

There's zero point in signing and placing. We're about to be at a scholarship shortage. Adams will go to CoLin and we can sign him later. There's no benefit whatsoever in a sign and place. Just let him do a commitment presser and have his day then let him sign his Juco papers.

If we don't sign and place him someone else will and we won't get him in 2 years. He is too good to let someone else place him. We are going to sign him because he is still being fed by everyone that they can get him eligible. In 5 months when he finds out he can't get eligible the school that signs him will place him.

[Cooterpoot]

If we don't sign and place him someone else will and we won't get him in 2 years. He is too good to let someone else place him. We are going to sign him because he is still being fed by everyone that they can get him eligible. In 5 months when he finds out he can't get eligible the school that signs him will place him.

+1. That's the only angle that would make sense.

[Todd4State]

Here's what I'm in favor of:

Doing whatever we have to do to get dynamic talent.

If our coaches think signing and placing Alex Adams gives us the best chance to get him either now or later, then that's what we should do.

You know who wins games? Teams with dynamic talent. I couldn't careless if we have 80 guys on scholarship or 85. Doesn't matter to me because those last 5 guys don't win or lose you games. Get impact players however you gotta do it. That's what wins games.

You know I'm right. So don't even attempt to argue this point.

I don't disagree. My thing is I look at recruiting spots like draft picks. And if you don't use a spot in a recruiting class you are wasting a pick. To me, I'd rather take a chance on a guy that's "marginal" that really wants to be at MSU than not use a spot on a guy. And in this case I'd rather sign and place a guy than not use a spot for that matter.

[ShotgunDawg]

I don't disagree. My thing is I look at recruiting spots like draft picks. And if you don't use a spot in a recruiting class you are wasting a pick. To me, I'd rather take a chance on a guy that's "marginal" that really wants to be at MSU than not use a spot on a guy. And in this case I'd rather sign and place a guy than not use a spot for that matter.

If signing Adams actually improves our chances of getting him, then I look at it as trading a draft pick to move up.

I get your point, and while there is some value with those last spots, it's just not near enough.

[MetEdDawg]

The days of more loyalty to a program for signing and placing kids is gone. Way gone.

If Adams goes to JUCO, in 2 years he will go through recruiting process just like this year and like every other kid in the country does. That's why no one is signing grade risks anymore except for Mullen. He lost multiple top ranked players out of his class last year due to grades.

There's zero point in committing a for sure sign and place kid. Zero. Now if he's not for sure and you think you can get him on board with the right amount of work, I would be more amenable to that. But if he's 100% JUCO bound, there's no point. Like I said, loyalty is nothing anymore when it comes to recruiting. It's a business.

[Jarius]

The days of more loyalty to a program for signing and placing kids is gone. Way gone.

If Adams goes to JUCO, in 2 years he will go through recruiting process just like this year and like every other kid in the country does. That's why no one is signing grade risks anymore except for Mullen. He lost multiple top ranked players out of his class last year due to grades.

There's zero point in committing a for sure sign and place kid. Zero. Now if he's not for sure and you think you can get him on board with the right amount of work, I would be more amenable to that. But if he's 100% JUCO bound, there's no point. Like I said, loyalty is nothing anymore when it comes to recruiting. It's a business.

You are incorrect. Merry Christmas friend.

[Todd4State]

If signing Adams actually improves our chances of getting him, then I look at it as trading a draft pick to move up.

I get your point, and while there is some value with those last spots, it's just not near enough.

I don't view signing and placing Adams as a wasted spot. Just not using them.

[Cowbell]

I don't view signing and placing Adams as a wasted spot. Just not using them.

Yes yes yes

[Goldendawg]

Ari and IYOK, have missed your updates on this thread. Just by reading our remaining targets on 24/7, there are hardly any players that are even warm to signing with us. Got any news? Thanks.

[Irondawg]

just an interesting tidbit - L. Griffin working at corner in the under armor game practices

[ShotgunDawg]

just an interesting tidbit - L. Griffin working at corner in the under armor game practices

With Emerson, J Jones & Tyler Williams being young along with getting Forbes, i don't think we can spare a body at WR.

That being said, if J Jones is better at WR than CB & Griffin is better at CB than WR, then it may make some sense to switch them.

It does make me a little nervous though that our best WR signee isn't even good enough to play WR in the UA game.

[vv83]

Know it?s early but who do we think have the greatest chance of asking for a release of their LOI or current player transfers?

[ShotgunDawg]

Know it?s early but who do we think have the greatest chance of asking for a release of their LOI or current player transfers?

Not being naive, but I don't think there is anyone obvious. I'm sure you'll hear stuff, but it's meaningless until the new coach is hired & has a chance to sit down with the recruits, players, & families

[msstate7]

Weren't we the best offer for a vast majority of our signees?

[msbulldog]

Forbes and Marks have said this doesn't change their plans, I think those are the 2 highest rated players in this class.

[hacker]

Forbes and Marks have said this doesn't change their plans, I think those are the 2 highest rated players in this class.

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[Commercecomet24]

Our admin has done a very good job disseminating information to our signees and are doing a great job keeping them informed on the process. We should be good with our class.

[msbulldog]

I dunno CC, Forbes found out on twitter.

[Commercecomet24]

I dunno CC, Forbes found out on twitter.

It all happened pretty fast, but I know for a fact the signees have been spoken to personally and like what they have heard.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Walley said he talked to Brad Peterson this morning and Peterson told him we'd have a new HC within a week. Sounds like the message is staying the same from the remaining recruiting staff.

[Commercecomet24]

Walley said he talked to Brad Peterson this morning and Peterson told him we'd have a new HC within a week. Sounds like the message is staying the same from the remaining recruiting staff.

I know Jaden very well and he's extremely excited about the future at MSU.

[msstate7]

Walley said he talked to Brad Peterson this morning and Peterson told him we'd have a new HC within a week. Sounds like the message is staying the same from the remaining recruiting staff.

I really hope our new coach finds an on-field spot for brad

[ZedFedder]

I wonder if the new coach will put Janari Dean as a S or a RB?

[MetEdDawg]

You can't tell recruits that can opt out of a NLI about you firing your head coach before you do it publicly. Welcome to why social media has made schools lives so much more difficult.

[Cooterpoot]

I wonder if the new coach will put Janari Dean as a S or a RB?

He can't handle RB. Not durable enough.

[vv83]

He can't handle RB. Not durable enough.

...and how did you arrive to that

[Cowbell]

Walley said he talked to Brad Peterson this morning and Peterson told him we'd have a new HC within a week. Sounds like the message is staying the same from the remaining recruiting staff.

Thanks for info - this is so refreshing.

[Cowbell]

It all happened pretty fast, but I know for a fact the signees have been spoken to personally and like what they have heard.

Can you expand on this CC?

[ZedFedder]

Cohen said in his PC that they had talked to every recruit.

[MetEdDawg]

If it is Napier, are there any guys that:

1) Might be more interested in us with him coming in

2) On ULL's radar that would be interested in coming to MSU and are good enough to play SEC football

[Cooterpoot]

...and how did you arrive to that

Because he's stayed banged up. He'll be on defense.

[HoopsDawg]

I really hope our new coach finds an on-field spot for brad

I like him in his current off-field role.

[timotheus]

If it is Napier, are there any guys that:

1) Might be more interested in us with him coming in

2) On ULL's radar that would be interested in coming to MSU and are good enough to play SEC football

Possibly 2 or 3 guys to both of your questions? I don't expect a whole lot of turnover either way.

[ShotgunDawg]

Edgerrin Cooper committed to A&M

Stinks, but oh well. He just wanted a brand name.

Not like we were going to be able to get him after changing coaches anyway.

We've got get to the point where we own Louisiana after LSU & Bama.

[HoopsDawg]

Edgerrin Cooper committed to A&M

Stinks, but oh well. He just wanted a brand name.

Not like we were going to be able to get him after changing coaches anyway.

We've got get to the point where we own Louisiana after LSU & Bama.

That dude can run. Excellent closing speed. I agree, we need to sign 3-5 players from LA every year.

[msstate7]

Now that joe is gone, can some of you admit the legend of Moorhead's recruiting is more myth than fact? Mullen's last 3 classes avg'd out at 23.3; Moorhead's 3 classes avg out at 26. To be fair, Mullen's best class is in that 3 year period, so let's toss best for each in that 3-year period... mullen then is 26, and Moorhead is at 27. There was never a nickel's difference between the two, yet one was proclaimed horrible and the other an ace.

[Cowbell]

Now that joe is gone, can some of you admit the legend of Moorhead's recruiting is more myth than fact? Mullen's last 3 classes avg'd out at 23.3; Moorhead's 3 classes avg out at 26. To be fair, Mullen's best class is in that 3 year period, so let's toss best for each in that 3-year period... mullen then is 26, and Moorhead is at 27. There was never a nickel's difference between the two, yet one was proclaimed horrible and the other an ace.
Mullen was not balanced and left some major holes to fill, out of laziness. Other than that, not much difference.

[Hambone]

How could we have three top 25 classes in a row if they average out to 26?

[msstate7]

How could we have three top 25 classes in a row if they average out to 26?

28, 24, 27... actually 26.3 now. Someone must have jumped us this morning.

[msbulldog]

I Thought we had 22 signees and now 247 has 21 listed. Am I wrong?

[Bothrops]

It's a top 25 class. The composite rankings are meaningless, especially when one service doesn't get any subscribers.

[msstate7]

It's a top 25 class. The composite rankings are meaningless, especially when one service doesn't get any subscribers.

247 has it 26th

ETA... not that there's any difference, just saying

[timotheus]

I don't think that in the long run that Joe would have ever gotten top 25 type results had he stayed a few more years. He showed a track record of under performing and glimpses of having no idea in some in game and game prep situations.

[chef dixon]

I don't think that in the long run that Joe would have ever gotten top 25 type results had he stayed a few more years. He showed a track record of under performing and glimpses of having no idea in some in game and game prep situations.

Agree. You could argue ******* tenure his recruiting average equaled his on field average over the course of 9 seasons. Probably were around 20th best program in that time period.

[defiantdog]

Kind of interesting that IYOK has been mia since joe got let go.

[hacker]

Kind of interesting that IYOK has been mia since joe got let go.

He went MIA after the Egg Bowl switcheroo. He did post one time right after Moorhead got fired.

[msu15]

Kind of interesting that IYOK has been mia since joe got let go.

Well in regards to recruiting, what’s there to talk about?

[bigplayslay]

Any WR grad transfers we need to look out for?

[HoopsDawg]

Well in regards to recruiting, what’s there to talk about?

What does our board look like for February? We have 4 spots open.

[msstate7]

Any WR grad transfers we need to look out for?

I'd be calling Tarik black of Michigan. I'd probably call KJ Costello (qb) of Stanford too. Love shrader, but I think Costello would fit this offense better. Who knows though, maybe leach has ideas on how to use shrader's best attribute, his legs

[bulldawg28]

I'd be calling Tarik black of Michigan. I'd probably call KJ Costello (qb) of Stanford too. Love shrader, but I think Costello would fit this offense better. Who knows though, maybe leach has ideas on how to use shrader's best attribute, his legs

Shrader may not make it past the 4th game if his passing doesn't improve.

[bigplayslay]

I'd be calling Tarik black of Michigan. I'd probably call KJ Costello (qb) of Stanford too. Love shrader, but I think Costello would fit this offense better. Who knows though, maybe leach has ideas on how to use shrader's best attribute, his legs

I think Justin Shorter from Penn State is going to Florida based on his twitter but that would've been a huge get.

[ShotgunDawg]

I'm really glad we didn't sign a full class in the early signing period.

It gives Leach some schollies to play with to get his guy

[raymonddawg]

I'm sure it's been explained before, but what is the deal with Alex Adams and E. Jai Mason? Is there an eligibility problem?

Also, i'm really hoping Leach gives Rufus Harvey a legit look.

[Bothrops]

Shrader may not make it past the 4th game if his passing doesn't improve.

I think Shrader is about to get better at passing.

[KOdawg1]

I'm sure it's been explained before, but what is the deal with Alex Adams and E. Jai Mason? Is there an eligibility problem?
.

Adams- LSU or Juco

Mason- Who cares? The guy isn't an SEC receiver and he's the one who decommitted from us

[ShotgunDawg]

I think Shrader is about to get better at passing.

Agree

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Shrader may not make it past the 4th game if his passing doesn't improve.

Shrader is a true freshman coming off of a high school surgery. He showed the ability to make multiple reads (better than any QB on the roster) this season and with some fine tuning, he will be special. Plus he has the swagger to be great.

[Commercecomet24]

Shrader is a true freshman coming off of a high school surgery. He showed the ability to make multiple reads (better than any QB on the roster) this season and with some fine tuning, he will be special. Plus he has the swagger to be great.

I agree. His mechanics and arm strength will continu to improve as he get further away from that surgery. With that said he completed 58% of his passes in a crappy offense with a crappy play caller and a gazillion dropped passes. He's intelligent and athletic enough to work well in this offense IF he puts in the work. Work is the key for him.

[chef dixon]

Seems to me Harvey may be a guy who could do well under Leach

[HoopsDawg]

What does our board look like for February? We have 4 spots open.

Well, we know 1 person on the board thanks to Twitter: OL, Brady Ward from Mobile. 6'7 kid. May have to beat OU and Miami for him but he's officially visiting in 2 weeks. Nice first offer by the new staff.

[Commercecomet24]

Well, we know 1 person on the board thanks to Twitter: OL, Brady Ward from Mobile. 6'7 kid. May have to beat OU and Miami for him but he's officially visiting in 2 weeks. Nice first offer by the new staff.

I love the fact Leach ain't wasting any time getting to work. Good start

[Cowbell]

I love the fact Leach ain't wasting any time getting to work. Good start

Yes! I thought Leach hated recruiting** We don't even have an oline coach yet lol

[KOdawg1]

My biggest concern about this hire will be the recruiting. I know Leach has turned average recruits and made them fit his offense, but this is the SEC. You've got to have talent to make any system work. I hope the new DC will hire a staff that loves to recruit so we can keep reeling in talent on that side of the ball.

[ShotgunDawg]

My biggest concern about this hire will be the recruiting. I know Leach has turned average recruits and made them fit his offense, but this is the SEC. You've got to have talent to make any system work. I hope the new DC will hire a staff that loves to recruit so we can keep reeling in talent on that side of the ball.

- I'm worried about defensive recruiting. We have to keep defensive recruiting at or better than it's been.

- I'm not so worried about offensive recruiting because 1. I'm not going to argue with who Leach brings in a QB regardless of their rating 2. We've always attracted good RBs 3. Leach makes his OL work regardless of the personnel & he'll have greater access to talent than ever before & 4. WR recruiting couldn't really get any worse & now we have something to actually sell. I expect WR recruiting to get significantly better on the evaluation side at very least & possibly the stars side.

[ShotgunDawg]

New Kosciusko coach is a big MSU fan. That can’t hurt with Harmon

https://twitter.com/jhunter910/status/1216189824547393536?s=21

[KOdawg1]

New Kosciusko coach is a big MSU fan. That can’t hurt with Harmon

https://twitter.com/jhunter910/status/1216189824547393536?s=21

Harmon's best friend is a PWO at Ole Miss. It's gonna be a tough pull

[ShotgunDawg]

Harmon's best friend is a PWO at Ole Miss. It's gonna be a tough pull

Lol. They always do that.

[sandwolf]

Lol. They always do that.

Yea, I don't know why the hell we don't do it. It's smart.

[ShotgunDawg]

Yea, I don't know why the hell we don't do it. It's smart.

It is, but it hasn't really paid off for them

[Cooterpoot]

Yea, I don't know why the hell we don't do it. It's smart.

We do.

[DEDawg]

We do.

Who?

[KOdawg1]

We took a chance on McKinnley Jackson's cousin, and that hasn't worked out for us at all.

[Santiago]

We took a chance on McKinnley Jackson's cousin, and that hasn't worked out for us at all.

He may turn into a productive receiver in Leach's system

[KOdawg1]

He may turn into a productive receiver in Leach's system

I'm talking about in regards to Jackson.

[FISHDAWG]

It is, but it hasn't really paid off for them

you mean like the Kimdeechies ?

[msu15]

It is, but it hasn't really paid off for them

Though he didn't pan out much(not redshirting hurt him), they also did this with Channing Ward's older brother. Had Taurus been on our team, Channing would've been a bulldog.

[HoopsDawg]

Though he didn't pan out much(not redshirting hurt him), they also did this with Channing Ward's older brother. Had Taurus been on our team, Channing would've been a bulldog.

got shea patterson's brother a job as well.

[BuckyIsAB****]

If Harvey isnt a grade issue, and we dont have a transfer lined up we should pull the trigger. He may not have the ACT or grades but he would thrive at Y or H in this offense. He is twitchy as hell

[HailStateSZN19]

If Harvey isnt a grade issue, and we dont have a transfer lined up we should pull the trigger. He may not have the ACT or grades but he would thrive at Y or H in this offense. He is twitchy as hell

And he sure as hell ain’t gonna be dropping no passes. Kid catches everything thrown around him. Really hoping he makes the grades & we offer him.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

He is twitchy as hell

Knew a girl like that back in the day. I miss those days.

[Coursesuper]

If Harvey isnt a grade issue, and we dont have a transfer lined up we should pull the trigger. He may not have the ACT or grades but he would thrive at Y or H in this offense. He is twitchy as hell

His grades are the issue.

[HancockCountyDog]

got shea patterson's brother a job as well.

It is the way of recruiting elite athletes in 2020. Marlon Davidson's brother was on the coaching staff at AU. There was a time that Saban had half of the HS coaches working as "advisors" at Bama for 100K a year.

One of the upsides of Leach's system is that it does not need elite players to move the ball, so lets save all of our helping for the defensive side of the ball.

[Todd4State]

Paul Jones reporting that we could count back and sign up 29-30 for this class. Ridiculous to under sign by our previous coaches.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Paul Jones reporting that we could count back and sign up 29-30 for this class. Ridiculous to under sign by our previous coaches.

Leach is expecting attrition that's why he wants to sign so many. That wouldn't be the case with Moorhead.

[Irondawg]

do grad transfers count as being able to count back?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

do grad transfers count as being able to count back?

Yes. I'm sure they're included in this #.

[Todd4State]

Leach is expecting attrition that's why he wants to sign so many. That wouldn't be the case with Moorhead.

It's still foolish to waste spots like that especially given the holes we had at DT and WR.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Looks like Rufus Harvey gonna get that offer tomorrow

[Todd4State]

Looks like Rufus Harvey gonna get that offer tomorrow

He should. Ridiculous that we haven't already with that many spots open honestly. Just a recipe for missing on in state diamonds in the rough.

[Cowbell]

It's still foolish to waste spots like that especially given the holes we had at DT and WR.

Yes - this is infuriating

[Cooterpoot]

He should. Ridiculous that we haven't already with that many spots open honestly. Just a recipe for missing on in state diamonds in the rough.

He's got to qualify. That's the only reason.

[Cooterpoot]

Who?

We took Ealy's best friend and then Ole Miss out bid us and took both.
There are several other instances over the years.

[HancockCountyDog]

I keep hearing we are hitting the portal harder than anywhere else, anyone else hearing the same?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I keep hearing we are hitting the portal harder than anywhere else, anyone else hearing the same?

Yes we're going to really try to get some immediate upgrades at a few positions.

[HailStateSZN19]

I keep hearing we are hitting the portal harder than anywhere else, anyone else hearing the same?

I've got ZERO sources but that wouldn't surprise me. Sounds like we want 1 maybe 2 more HS OL and hopefully Rufus at WR if he's eligible as far as high school guys.

As far as the portal, sounds like we're after Chase Brice/Anthony Brown at QB, surely we go after at least 1 grad transfer WR, maybe an older Safety too.

Heard any specific names mentioned?

[HailStateSZN19]

Yes we're going to really try to get some immediate upgrades at a few positions.

DELETE

[Commercecomet24]

Yes we're going to really try to get some immediate upgrades at a few positions.

Great idea by Coach Leach.

[HoopsDawg]

Yes. I'm sure they're included in this #.

are we going to sign Alex Adams?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

are we going to sign Alex Adams?

We want to. It's a LSU/MSU battle.

[Santiago]

We want to. It's a LSU/MSU battle.

Assuming Leach hire and catching a ton of passes his freshman year is helping things.
Do we have good chance on it?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Assuming Leach hire and catching a ton of passes his freshman year is helping things.
Do we have good chance on it?

I'd say 50/50

[Todd4State]

I've got ZERO sources but that wouldn't surprise me. Sounds like we want 1 maybe 2 more HS OL and hopefully Rufus at WR if he's eligible as far as high school guys.

As far as the portal, sounds like we're after Chase Brice/Anthony Brown at QB, surely we go after at least 1 grad transfer WR, maybe an older Safety too.

Heard any specific names mentioned?

I want KC Costello.

[msstate7]

I want KC Costello.

Me too

[HailStateSZN19]

PJ on 247 saying there’s mutual interest on Costello. So he’s at least interested in us. Bring it home Pirate!!

[NCDawg]

PJ on 247 saying there’s mutual interest on Costello. So he’s at least interested in us. Bring it home Pirate!!

Wonder if he's related to Frank or Lou?

[Santiago]

How are things going with Key and the new DC(and assuming DL also) coach - if that is going to work out. Early to ask, but sure that effort is being made today

[Ifyouonlyknew]

How are things going with Key and the new DC(and assuming DL also) coach - if that is going to work out. Early to ask, but sure that effort is being made today

I expect him to be at MSU but time is running out to get here for spring practice.

[Santiago]

Key just seems like an upcoming star in this defense under the new DC

[ShotgunDawg]

Ole Miss just landed UGA transfer Otis Reese.

2018 signee with UGA & 95 rated safety. I guess he'll have 3 years to play.

Kind of amazing that a 4-8 team would be able to get that type of player unless something was really wrong with him

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Ole Miss just landed UGA transfer Otis Reese.

2018 signee with UGA & 95 rated safety. I guess he'll have 3 years to play.

Kind of amazing that a 4-8 team would be able to get that type of player unless something was really wrong with him

He was committed to Partridge & Michigan for a while. I think his best position is likely LB. Hes a heavy hitter but not much in the way of coverage.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Ole Miss just landed UGA transfer Otis Reese.

2018 signee with UGA & 95 rated safety. I guess he'll have 3 years to play.

Kind of amazing that a 4-8 team would be able to get that type of player unless something was really wrong with him

That?s what happens when you have a staff that can recruit

[Ifyouonlyknew]

That?s what happens when you have a staff that can recruit

So if we pull a couple highly rated transfers will our staff get the same title.

[msstate7]

So if we pull a couple highly rated transfers will our staff get the same title.

Let's get Costello and find out

[ShotgunDawg]

That?s what happens when you have a staff that can recruit

Come on man. You're really saying some stupid stuff.

No matter good or not good that staff may be at recruiting, stating that they've somehow made that big of a difference in 1.5 months is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous

[ShotgunDawg]

He was committed to Partridge & Michigan for a while. I think his best position is likely LB. Hes a heavy hitter but not much in the way of coverage.

Ah makes sense. Knew there had to be a pre-existing relationship

[Leroy Jenkins]

do grad transfers count as being able to count back?

Grad transfers only count on the 85 limit. The yearly limit is only for people who are "new grant awardees".

[oldwave]

I expect him to be at MSU but time is running out to get here for spring practice.

Hasn't final spring enrollment date past ?

Also, have you heard anything about Jay Banks - WR - from Olive Branch ?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Hasn't final spring enrollment date past ?

Also, have you heard anything about Jay Banks - WR - from Olive Branch ?

There's always exceptions that could be made.

Jay is on campus already.

[MetEdDawg]

2021 RB Evan Pryor received an offer from us today. 96 overall, Top 100 player for 2021 and the #6 RB in that class. Looks perfect for Leach's offense.

[OLJWales]

Does anyone know if we are still contacting Ty Keyes? QB out of Taylorsville? He's a 2021 guy but is listed as a Dual and I'm wondering if The Pirate is interested in a QB that also can run. Does he have any history with Dual Threat QB's? I remember seeing stuff on him when I think he was a freshman and was having a hard time believing what I was seeing from a freshman.

[OLJWales]

2021 RB Evan Pryor received an offer from us today. 96 overall, Top 100 player for 2021 and the #6 RB in that class. Looks perfect for Leach's offense.

The guy from NC? he's gonna go where ever he wants to. So we already have some folks on our new staff contacting croots and making offers / invites and stuff? I always forget what the date restrictions on contacting.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

That?s what happens when you have a staff that can recruit

Well we have 1 former 4* Transfer in. Let's see how many more we can add.

[msstate7]

Well we have 1 former 4* Transfer in. Let's see how many more we can add.

Who?

[HailStateSZN19]

Well we have 1 former 4* Transfer in. Let's see how many more we can add.

IYOK, do you know of any WR in the portal we’re currently after? Sounds like Leach wants to add 1-2 but there’s just not a ton of solid options in there right now.

Also, heard anything about Costello, Brice, or Brown transfer QB’s & their interest level?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Who?

Lashley

[Ifyouonlyknew]

IYOK, do you know of any WR in the portal we’re currently after? Sounds like Leach wants to add 1-2 but there’s just not a ton of solid options in there right now.

Also, heard anything about Costello, Brice, or Brown transfer QB’s & their interest level?

Just not a ton at WR in the portal right now.

I'd keep an eye on Costello.

[HailStateSZN19]

Just not a ton at WR in the portal right now.

I'd keep an eye on Costello.

:cool: Thanks, IYOK.

[bulldawg28]

Just not a ton at WR in the portal right now.

I'd keep an eye on Costello.

Does he have 2 years to play?

[KOdawg1]

Does he have 2 years to play?

Just 1. The kid from Clemson has 2. But I'd rather have Costello

[Todd4State]

Just 1. The kid from Clemson has 2. But I'd rather have Costello
Me too. Costello I think is better and I think we can develop Shrader and Rogers to able to take over after a year in the Air Raid system.

[HancockCountyDog]

Costello is the much bigger target.

I wouldn?t have wasted a spot on Lashley, but that?s why we let them make the decisions. We will certainly have a senior laden OL next year.

Gotta admit, I?d love some KT and Hill in some old school Relf plays with next years OL.

[MetEdDawg]

That's the one. He posted on Twitter yesterday that he received his offer. So Leach is out there getting after some big fish.

[Commercecomet24]

Just not a ton at WR in the portal right now.

I'd keep an eye on Costello.

Question on Lashley will he be on scholarship or on his own?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Question on Lashley will he be on scholarship or on his own?

Scholarship

[Commercecomet24]

Scholarship

Preciate it!

[Coursesuper]

Scholarship

I'm hearing they want to,sign up to 30 if they can, is this whet your hearing?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I'm hearing they want to,sign up to 30 if they can, is this whet your hearing?

Yes

[Coursesuper]

Yes

Thanks, I think that's a smart move I hope they can get that many.

[Todd4State]

So what LB's/S's are we looking at besides Levi Draper? The portal seems slim there.

[ShotgunDawg]

Yes

Leach has to feel like a kid in a candy shop with the types of talents he's already attracting.

Sure, he's always had access to QBs & WRs, but now he'll be able to pair them with OL & RBs

[Uncle Ruckus]

Yes
Since you are the recruiting expert, do portal transfers count against the 25 or just the 85

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Since you are the recruiting expert, do portal transfers count against the 25 or just the 85

Both

[ShotgunDawg]

Who is Trip Wilson?

Just committed to us

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[KB21]

Who is Trip Wilson?

Just committed to us

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WR from Tupelo. He’s a heck of a baseball player as well.

[KB21]

Coach Miller also had an in home visit with Dylan Spencer. I feel pretty good about our chances of landing him. I’m also curious to see if Khalil Benson ends up back in the picture with the new staff.

[KOdawg1]

Coach Miller also had an in home visit with Dylan Spencer. I feel pretty good about our chances of landing him. I’m also curious to see if Khalil Benson ends up back in the picture with the new staff.

I think Benson is behind some guys

[Todd4State]

I think Benson is behind some guys

I'm guessing Benson depends on what Brady Ward does.

[Todd4State]

I think Steve Spurrier, Jr. is going to be an elite recruiter for us FWIW.

[HancockCountyDog]

So is the Wilson kid a PWO or a scholarship player?

[PCHSDawg]

PWO

[HailStateSZN19]

I think Steve Spurrier, Jr. is going to be an elite recruiter for us FWIW.

I don’t know a ton about Spurrier Jr so when I ask this I’m not disagreeing I’m just wanting to know you’re insight and reason for thinking that? Have I read on here somewhere or on 247 that Spurrier Jr is the one that is or initially was the one doing the pitching to Costello? I might be dreaming that up (because I would think that’d be 100% Leach). But just curious what your reasoning is for thinking he will be an elite recruiter. That’d be a HUGE boost to go along with this offense basically selling itself.

[Todd4State]

I don’t know a ton about Spurrier Jr so when I ask this I’m not disagreeing I’m just wanting to know you’re insight and reason for thinking that? Have I read on here somewhere or on 247 that Spurrier Jr is the one that is or initially was the one doing the pitching to Costello? I might be dreaming that up (because I would think that’d be 100% Leach). But just curious what your reasoning is for thinking he will be an elite recruiter. That’d be a HUGE boost to go along with this offense basically selling itself.

He just seems like he is all over the place and he has the name recognition. It just looks like he is really enjoying himself in the pictures on social media.

[MetEdDawg]

Didn't Spencer get a legit Tennessee offer in the last day or 2? He may be one that blows up here towards the end.

[ShotgunDawg]

Didn't Spencer get a legit Tennessee offer in the last day or 2? He may be one that blows up here towards the end.

Every year an OL blows up at the 2nd signing day. Remember the Rip Van Winkle kid from Memphis that signed with Arkansas a few years ago? There are more as well.

I think it happens for a few reasons:

1. Some kids develop late. For OL who needs size, this is huge.

2. SEC schools never feel like they have enough

[ZedFedder]

I wonder if Spencer will go to Tennessee? Holliday from MC is already signed there.

[ShotgunDawg]

Leach just offered the #2 QB in the 2022 class

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Leach gives MSU serious credibility

[Todd4State]

I wonder if Spencer will go to Tennessee? Holliday from MC is already signed there.

Spencer is probably going to MSU.

[Westdawg]

Leach just offered the #2 QB in the 2022 class

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Leach gives MSU serious credibility

Wow!!! That kid is absolutely amazing and only a sophomore!
Man if he pulls this kid to campus we will be on another level

[ZedFedder]

Do y’all think we will get Ty Simpson with Leach being here?

https://247sports.com/Player/Ty-Simpson-46056473/

[ShotgunDawg]

Wow!!! That kid is absolutely amazing and only a sophomore!
Man if he pulls this kid to campus we will be on another level

We have something to legitimately sell.

QB and WR crooting should drastically improve.

[ShotgunDawg]

Do y’all think we will get Ty Simpson with Leach being here?

https://247sports.com/Player/Ty-Simpson-46056473/

Would think so if Leach wants him. I trust Leach with offense

[Westdawg]

Do y’all think we will get Ty Simpson with Leach being here?

https://247sports.com/Player/Ty-Simpson-46056473/

I'm not sure about this recruit specifically- but Westview is a very well-run program. I used to coach against them back when I coached in TN.

[KB21]

We have something to legitimately sell.

QB and WR crooting should drastically improve.

To be fair, our QB recruiting has been pretty good since Dak. It?s just a different type of QB than what Mike Leach is going to be looking at.

[ShotgunDawg]

To be fair, our QB recruiting has been pretty good since Dak. It?s just a different type of QB than what Mike Leach is going to be looking at.

Agree but it'll be better under Leach

[msstate7]

Agree but it'll be better under Leach

Maybe, does Leach have a history of signing high rated qbs?

[KB21]

Maybe, does Leach have a history of signing high rated qbs?

No, but he’s also never coached at a program that he can sell either.

[ShotgunDawg]

Maybe, does Leach have a history of signing high rated qbs?

Don't know but he's never been at a school near highly rated QBs. I don't see any way he doesn't at least get visits with QBs he wants.

[ZedFedder]

I'm not sure about this recruit specifically- but Westview is a very well-run program. I used to coach against them back when I coached in TN.

His dad played at MSU.

[MetEdDawg]

Leach hitting the recruiting trail for 2022 hard. Seen a number of offers come out, but here's one for a QB. Nicco Marchiol. No composite on 24/7 but they have him rated a 90 overall. https://247sports.com/Player/Nicco-Marchiol-46084789/

Shows offers from Michigan, Kentucky, Utah, Georgia, Washington State, and Arizona.

The number of offers going out across the nation from us should be very encouraging. Leach is going to attract folks here. He may be our ticket to expanding our recruiting footprint into areas outside of our normal stomping grounds.

[Cooterpoot]

Would think so if Leach wants him. I trust Leach with offense

We've been behind a couple schools, so we'll see. Can't hurt. We aren't pulling a CO kid with blue blood offers, so I'm not getting wound up about that.

[KB21]

Leach has offered 2021 QB Sawyer Robertson out of Lubbock, TX. He’s a 4 star grade. 50 TD passes as a junior.

[ShotgunDawg]

Leach has offered 2021 QB Sawyer Robertson out of Lubbock, TX. He’s a 4 star grade. 50 TD passes as a junior.

I wonder if Leach has a connection?

Like, if he knows the family really well, we may actually get this kid

I can't wait to see what Leach does for our Texas recruiting. He's at least getting in the home & getting a visit with most of these kids that used to be a pipe dream

[DEDawg]

I wonder if Leach has a connection?

Like, if he knows the family really well, we may actually get this kid

I can't wait to see what Leach does for our Texas recruiting. He's at least getting in the home & getting a visit with most of these kids that used to be a pipe dream

Mayden was a 4 star QB from TX. I'd just cool it a bit on Leach. I get you're excited but you're being dangerously optimistic here lately

[ejdallas322]

Mayden was a 4 star QB from TX. I'd just cool it a bit on Leach. I get you're excited but you're being dangerously optimistic here lately

Uuuhhhh dude, in comparison Jalen Mayden had 98 total rushing and passing TDs in his high school varsity career. Sawyer Robertson has a total 93 TDs in rushing (5) and passing (88) in his career as a junior. The kid still has a whole season of high school left and he?s already 5 TDs behind with a less talented Texas team. That says something.

[DEDawg]

Uuuhhhh dude, in comparison Jalen Mayden had 98 total rushing and passing TDs in his high school varsity career. Sawyer Robertson has a total 93 TDs in rushing (5) and passing (88) in his career as a junior. The kid still has a whole season of high school left and he?s already 5 TDs behind with a less talented Texas team. That says something.

not quite sure how your takeaway was me saying the dudes not good but alright then

[Todd4State]

I wonder if Leach has a connection?

Like, if he knows the family really well, we may actually get this kid

I can't wait to see what Leach does for our Texas recruiting. He's at least getting in the home & getting a visit with most of these kids that used to be a pipe dream

Leach's connection is every recruit knows that he is going to throw the ball 50 times a game and they're going to put up video game numbers.

It's really great for us because we traditionally have a hard time recruiting QB's and RB's because our image is that we run the ball all the time. Leach instantly changes that. And at the same time our reputation for developing good defensive players remains intact. Leach's o-line coach appears to be promising. I definitely agree with Leach's philosophy of bringing in five every year. It's just difficult to accurately assess offensive linemen and how they will develop over time. There's even risk with five star o-line recruits- albeit less than with a three star o-line prospect- relative to other positions.

The other thing I like about Leach is even if I'm way off here he has a reputation of taking guys that aren't blue chips and turning them into productive players at the QB and receiver position- also a big bonus for us.

With us being in the SEC and having the defensive reputation that we have the raw ingredients are there for Leach to take us- and him- to the next level.

[Todd4State]

No, but he’s also never coached at a program that he can sell either.

This is where having Dak helps us. And Gardner Minchew being coached by Leach helps us as well. It's also good that guys like Patrick Mahomes played in the Air Raid in college and are having success even though he wasn't coached by Leach.

[ShotgunDawg]

Mayden was a 4 star QB from TX. I'd just cool it a bit on Leach. I get you're excited but you're being dangerously optimistic here lately

Some of you really need to stop this. It's brainless.

- Just because Mayden was a 4 from Texas and hasn't panned out yet doesn't mean we shouldn't recruit 4 stars from Texas

- Just because Stevens was a grad transfer QB and didn't pan out doesn't mean we shouldn't recruit grad transfer QBs

- Just because JoMo was an OC and didn't pan out doesn't mean we should never an OC again.

- We should recruit a 5'11" black QB because Damien Williams wasn't good.

Some of you play identity politics of sorts with players and it's absolutely brainless. Please post less if that's the idea you have in your head because you bring down the collective intellectual capacity of this board.

Players and evaluators are human. Sometimes things pan out and sometimes they don't. However, they're profile or where they're from has absolutely nothing to do with it. Some 4 stars have big offers and some don't. But for the love of sanity, please stop making any statements like the one you made above.

[ShotgunDawg]

Uuuhhhh dude, in comparison Jalen Mayden had 98 total rushing and passing TDs in his high school varsity career. Sawyer Robertson has a total 93 TDs in rushing (5) and passing (88) in his career as a junior. The kid still has a whole season of high school left and he?s already 5 TDs behind with a less talented Texas team. That says something.

Not really. His stats have very little to nothing to do with how good of a Power 5 QB he'll be.

I'll tell you what means something: if you go watch this guy or any other QB in person or on film and they POP on the field. Meaning they do something that gives you goosebumps. That's usually a good sign.

I saw Mayden play in HS live. Good QB, solid QB, but did nothing at a level that gave you goosebumps or made you dream. Was a finished product

[BigEasyDawg]

Is Ty Keyes still a future dog? What can he do in Leach's system?

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

- Just because Mayden was a 4 from Texas and hasn't panned out yet doesn't mean we shouldn't recruit 4 stars from Texas


I think you misinterpreted that. That is not what he was saying at all.

[DEDawg]

Some of you really need to stop this. It's brainless.

- Just because Mayden was a 4 from Texas and hasn't panned out yet doesn't mean we shouldn't recruit 4 stars from Texas

- Just because Stevens was a grad transfer QB and didn't pan out doesn't mean we shouldn't recruit grad transfer QBs

- Just because JoMo was an OC and didn't pan out doesn't mean we should never an OC again.

- We should recruit a 5'11" black QB because Damien Williams wasn't good.

Some of you play identity politics of sorts with players and it's absolutely brainless. Please post less if that's the idea you have in your head because you bring down the collective intellectual capacity of this board.

Players and evaluators are human. Sometimes things pan out and sometimes they don't. However, they're profile or where they're from has absolutely nothing to do with it. Some 4 stars have big offers and some don't. But for the love of sanity, please stop making any statements like the one you made above.

you should be a politician man. you're incredible at jumping to conclusions and reaching. This is CLEARLY not what I was inferring at all, try re reading sentences slowly and comprehending before throwing insults. It'll help you in life

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

you should be a politician man. you're incredible at jumping to conclusions and reaching. This is CLEARLY not what I was inferring at all, try re reading sentences slowly and comprehending before throwing insults. It'll help you in life

Ironic isn't it that he throws out phrases like,


...absolutely brainless.... you bring down the collective intellectual capacity of this board.

when he has obvious problems with reading comprehension.

[OLJWales]

Is Ty Keyes still a future dog? What can he do in Leach's system?

Would be interested to know if our new staff has reached out to him.

[DEDawg]

Ironic isn't it that he throws out phrases like,



when he has obvious problems with reading comprehension.

haha truly amazing. But to clarify my original statement, since it's needed apparently.. all i was saying is we've pulled 4 star QB and WRs from TX before with Dan. I'm cautiously optimistic with what Leach can do here but just think some should pump the brakes a tad. Now how that turned into that shotgun going on a rant i'm not sure

[Cooterpoot]

Would be interested to know if our new staff has reached out to him.

They have not. But they haven't talked to many 2021 guys.

[DEDawg]

In other news, Jadeveon Clowney's cousin, a 4* DE just committed to Ole Miss over LSU, Clemson, and Georgia. Good to see the network is back up and running

[ShotgunDawg]

Mayden was a 4 star QB from TX. I'd just cool it a bit on Leach. I get you're excited but you're being dangerously optimistic here lately

My bad. I guess I didn't have ESP with your post.

That being said, 4 stars can vary greatly. With 4 stars I think it's best to look at their offers.

Mayden was a 4 star but only really had offers from Tennessee & maybe Baylor.

If the kid from Lubbock starts getting offers from Oklahoma, Texas, or A&M we'll know he's real

Even so though, I trust Leach on this

[ShotgunDawg]

In other news, Jadeveon Clowney's cousin, a 4* DE just committed to Ole Miss over LSU, Clemson, and Georgia. Good to see the network is back up and running

You really believe he had those offers?

[Cooterpoot]

In other news, Jadeveon Clowney's cousin, a 4* DE just committed to Ole Miss over LSU, Clemson, and Georgia. Good to see the network is back up and running

He was dropped.

[Bothrops]

He was dropped.

It's because of his name, wasn't it?