THE 2020 MSU Football Recruiting Talk Thread

[Homedawg]

Apparently according to an article I read, he would sign with State even if there had been a coaching change. That?s I interesting considering I have heard some say he would leave if Moorhead was fired

Don't believe everything you read.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Don't believe everything you read.

I don't believe everything I read. I just stated what I read

[bigplayslay]

2020 Juco DB Aaron Reynolds decommitted from Texas Tech and has us on his short list. What's the story on him?

[ZedFedder]

The bell has rung for the 2021 class. Not sure who it is yet.

[ZedFedder]

It is Amariyon Howard from Starkville.


The bell has rung for the 2021 class. Not sure who it is yet.

[ShotgunDawg]

It is Amariyon Howard from Starkville.

Why would we take the commitment of an 85 rated 3 star RB this early?

[HancockCountyDog]

Why would we take the commitment of an 85 rated 3 star RB this early?

We must think he is undervalued. I haven't seen him play, so I have no idea.

[Bothrops]

We must think he is undervalued. I haven't seen him play, so I have no idea.

Most prospects either aren't rated or given a default rating at this stage. Many of the 2020 commits still have a default rating. It absolutely means nothing for a 2021.

[timotheus]

Mite as well grab em and see what happens cuz Norvell will get em and send em to the NFL.

[KOdawg1]

Why would we take the commitment of an 85 rated 3 star RB this early?

Ratings mean nothing this early in the process

[Cooterpoot]

Gotta keep the Starkville line open and good. But, he played on a team with no OL, so he?s better than some think.

[fader2103]

Bell has rung again for 2020

[HoopsDawg]

are we limited to 23 signees this year due to tutorgate?

[Bass Chaser]

are we limited to 23 signees this year due to tutorgate?

This year and next year from what I understand.

[HailStateSZN19]

are we limited to 23 signees this year due to tutorgate?

I don’t think the 2 scholarships are necessarily taken from the amount of signees we can have. I believe we are limited on the amount of total scholarships for the team overall, down to 83 from the usual 85 for the next 2 years. I may be wrong on that though.

[HoopsDawg]

I don’t think the 2 scholarships are necessarily taken from the amount of signees we can have. I believe we are limited on the amount of total scholarships for the team overall, down to 83 from the usual 85 for the next 2 years. I may be wrong on that though.

Can someone clarify? That's a big distinction.

[MetEdDawg]

Eli Acker on an official visit with us.

I didn't think we would even get a courtesy visit.

We have even a remote chance at him?

[Coursesuper]

Eli Acker on an official visit with us.

I didn't think we would even get a courtesy visit.

We have even a remote chance at him?

That kid?s family is all fish.

[MetEdDawg]

That kid?s family is all fish.

That's why I didn't understand the visit unless he's just having a good time.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

are we limited to 23 signees this year due to tutorgate?

Per Rosebowl, we can sign 25 this year, then 23 and 23....

[HoopsDawg]

Per Rosebowl, we can sign 25 this year, then 23 and 23....

Damn, that stings. Well, we have 20 commits currently. Need to make these next 5 count. Anyone got some guesses?

[Homedawg]

Eli Acker on an official visit with us.

I didn't think we would even get a courtesy visit.

We have even a remote chance at him?

No.

[Ari Gold]

No.

Correct... We could hire Ackers mom to be the head of football operations and he still isn’t coming here..
and it’s not that big a deal ... it’s not like the kid is the next Joe Thomas.

[Ari Gold]

Per Rosebowl, we can sign 25 this year, then 23 and 23....

Well done by our administration... if America wants to clean up college football , appoint the MSU compliance department to the NCAA Infractions Committee

[Ari Gold]

Hearing it was very productive weekend, I don’t think we will have any surprises come Dec 18th, and if we do it could be a good one with a kid that might actually sign then instead of waiting to Feb...

[Ari Gold]

Just a hunch and I don’t think it matters anyway, but the I think J Marks the RB from Georgia shuts it down and doesn’t even visit Fal next weekend

[Ari Gold]

And not sure if the name has been mentioned on a previous page here , but I said about a month ago we were moving on from a player . The name apparently is out now for a few days per 24/7 ..
The juco OL Sebastien Dolcine

[KOdawg1]

Hearing it was very productive weekend, I don’t think we will have any surprises come Dec 18th, and if we do it could be a good one with a kid that might actually sign then instead of waiting to Feb...

Forbes?

[HailStateSZN19]

Just a hunch and I don’t think it matters anyway, but the I think J Marks the RB from Georgia shuts it down and doesn’t even visit Fal next weekend

That would be awesome if he shut it down and didn’t OV to FL next weekend. But even if he still does, he seems very solid to us doesn’t he? Even said in an interview with Paul on 247 that even if there was a coaching change he’d still sign with us because of just the vibe around MSU campus and the family feeling. Idk if that would have been true if we would have made a change, but I think he’s rock solid with us and if he cancels his FL trip then that’s just a cherry on top. Excellent job on our staff for getting this guy committed early and keeping him solid throughout the whole process even with some big boys came trying to get him. He’s going to play a lot next year, imo.

[Ari Gold]

That would be awesome if he shut it down and didn’t OV to FL next weekend. But even if he still does, he seems very solid to us doesn’t he? Even said in an interview with Paul on 247 that even if there was a coaching change he’d still sign with us because of just the vibe around MSU campus and the family feeling. Idk if that would have been true if we would have made a change, but I think he’s rock solid with us and if he cancels his FL trip then that’s just a cherry on top. Excellent job on our staff for getting this guy committed early and keeping him solid throughout the whole process even with some big boys came trying to get him. He’s going to play a lot next year, imo.

If Moorhead wasn’t here next year neither would Marks..

[Ari Gold]

Forbes?

Yep, we shall see what happens..

[MetEdDawg]

So what is a reasonable close for us?

Dropping Dolcine correct? Patterson being dropped as well.

That would leave us 20 spots. Can someone update us as to who all is out there we could potentially close with?

Any potential surprises that Moorhead could pull?

[vv83]

So what is a reasonable close for us?

Dropping Dolcine correct? Patterson being dropped as well.

That would leave us 20 spots. Can someone update us as to who all is out there we could potentially close with?

Any potential surprises that Moorhead could pull?

I'd like to know too. If the way I understand it is correct and we can only sign 23 the next two years I really really hope we sign a full class.

[Homedawg]

If Moorhead wasn?t here next year neither would Marks..

This is true

[BuckyIsAB****]

Why would we take the commitment of an 85 rated 3 star RB this early?

Because he is good. Real good

[Cowbell]

Because he is good. Real good

Can you give us a comparison Bucky?

[HoopsDawg]

I've asked the same question. Apparently, we still have a shot with Edgerin Cooper, LB and D. Richardson, CB. Then we have a kicker, Ruiz. Then we have Ronald Williams and J. Bennett on the board. That's 5. I have to assume there's another O-line in the mix but that guys doesn't appear to be Eli Acker or Ray Curry.

[Todd4State]

I've asked the same question. Apparently, we still have a shot with Edgerin Cooper, LB and D. Richardson, CB. Then we have a kicker, Ruiz. Then we have Ronald Williams and J. Bennett on the board. That's 5. I have to assume there's another O-line in the mix but that guys doesn't appear to be Eli Acker or Ray Curry.

I'd kind of like to see us evaluate Dylan Spencer at the MS/AL ASG this upcoming weekend. Committed to USM and from Madison Central. Probably more of a C/G type.

I know some people from Mize than insist that Trey Tuggle is coming to MSU as well although last I checked he was committed to Tulane.

[Todd4State]

And can someone explain to me why we're interested in Ruiz with Christmann coming back? Is Jace going to continue the MSU kicker tradition of going to dental school and skipping his senior year in college?

[Cooterpoot]

Because Christman is limited and we need a better kickoff guy too.

[Cooterpoot]

I'd kind of like to see us evaluate Dylan Spencer at the MS/AL ASG this upcoming weekend. Committed to USM and from Madison Central. Probably more of a C/G type.

I know some people from Mize than insist that Trey Tuggle is coming to MSU as well although last I checked he was committed to Tulane.

Our HS OL recruiting is pretty weak this round. I don’t believe either of those guys will get offers though.

[Ari Gold]

Our HS OL recruiting is pretty weak this round. I don’t believe either of those guys will get offers though.


Definitely need one or 2 more OL this class. Even if one is a transfer...

[HoopsDawg]

Our HS OL recruiting is pretty weak this round. I don’t believe either of those guys will get offers though.

One of our commits was 2nd team all state in 3A football. That's a little scary. I don't think the other guy made any of the All state teams. Long story short, if Ole Miss takes Marcus Johnson, I think we will be alright.

[chef dixon]

Drama this cycle has definitely been an all time low

[HoopsDawg]

Drama this cycle has definitely been an all time low

It really has been. We have 20 commits and 18 are from MS. Then you have Marks from GA, and Key for a Juco in Cali. Honestly, we are the best offer for most of our commits.

[msstate7]

Delete

[ShotgunDawg]

It really has been. We have 20 commits and 18 are from MS. Then you have Marks from GA, and Key for a Juco in Cali. Honestly, we are the best offer for most of our commits.

We definitely don’t seem to be shooting for the moon. Seems like we just accept who wants to come

[HoopsDawg]

We definitely don’t seem to be shooting for the moon. Seems like we just accept who wants to come

Definitely saves money for that SEC last place recruiting budget. Our guys barely have to leave the state. Need to get a couple of those Louisiana guys like Cooper and Richardson.

[Homedawg]

Because he is good. Real good

He's ok. We should take him. But he's not kylin hill. Not close.

[Homedawg]

I'd kind of like to see us evaluate Dylan Spencer at the MS/AL ASG this upcoming weekend. Committed to USM and from Madison Central. Probably more of a C/G type.

I know some people from Mize than insist that Trey Tuggle is coming to MSU as well although last I checked he was committed to Tulane.
Well we were going f to take 4 OL we have 2 commits.... so got to get someone somewhere....

[Homedawg]

It really has been. We have 20 commits and 18 are from MS. Then you have Marks from GA, and Key for a Juco in Cali. Honestly, we are the best offer for most of our commits.


But joe is a way better recruiter....

[Hambone]

Ring a ding ding!

[HailStateSZN19]

https://twitter.com/brandonrruiz/status/1203872631268659200?s=21

Grad transfer Kicker from ASU.

[HoopsDawg]

Ring a ding ding!

We got the kicker transfer I mentioned. He's got 2 years here. Hopefully he can kick it in the end zone.

[MetEdDawg]

Can anyone on this board name a high profile kid that we've gotten in the last decade from out of state? Marks is a Top 150 kid with legitimate offers from top tier SEC schools. Mullen never got that.

Our fan base is insufferable. We are ranked 20th right now and will get 4-7 more kids on board. Moorhead is doing what he needs to do to elevate us some in recruiting. And in a down year talent wise in the state with some of the top talent potentially going juco, he's got us in a decent position. We should finish Top 10 in the SEC because we will NEVER finish ahead of Bama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, and TAMU. So best case scenario is 7th. And we will always be in the same as SC, Tennessee, and OM. So 7-10 is where we need to be and that's where we are.

[Todd4State]

Can anyone on this board name a high profile kid that we've gotten in the last decade from out of state? Marks is a Top 150 kid with legitimate offers from top tier SEC schools. Mullen never got that.

Our fan base is insufferable. We are ranked 20th right now and will get 4-7 more kids on board. Moorhead is doing what he needs to do to elevate us some in recruiting. And in a down year talent wise in the state with some of the top talent potentially going juco, he's got us in a decent position. We should finish Top 10 in the SEC because we will NEVER finish ahead of Bama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, and TAMU. So best case scenario is 7th. And we will always be in the same as SC, Tennessee, and OM. So 7-10 is where we need to be and that's where we are.

The most encouraging thing to me at this point is we are ahead of where we were last year before the All-Star games start. Meaning I'm expecting at least a couple of guys to go up. My only complaint this year so far is not landing Xavier Hill.

[msu15]

But joe is a way better recruiter....

Through his first 2 seasons he’s recruited better than Dan, facts are there. Maybe he’ll learn how to coach they up.

[msstate7]

Can anyone on this board name a high profile kid that we've gotten in the last decade from out of state? Marks is a Top 150 kid with legitimate offers from top tier SEC schools. Mullen never got that.

Our fan base is insufferable. We are ranked 20th right now and will get 4-7 more kids on board. Moorhead is doing what he needs to do to elevate us some in recruiting. And in a down year talent wise in the state with some of the top talent potentially going juco, he's got us in a decent position. We should finish Top 10 in the SEC because we will NEVER finish ahead of Bama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, and TAMU. So best case scenario is 7th. And we will always be in the same as SC, Tennessee, and OM. So 7-10 is where we need to be and that's where we are.

We were 11th last year in a historic year of miss talent. Was that a failure?

[msstate7]

Through his first 2 seasons he’s recruited better than Dan, facts are there. Maybe he’ll learn how to coach they up.

Lol... compare recent to recent.
2012 - 22nd
2013 - 24th
2014 - 36th
2015 - 18th
2016 - 28th
2017 - 24th
2018 - 27th
2019 - 24th

There's been no real appreciable difference in recruiting

[MetEdDawg]

We were 11th last year in a historic year of miss talent. Was that a failure?

I would say disappointing. That first full year of recruiting is harder across the board for any new head coach. A lot of times you can keep the class you walk into together and he did that. It's the next year that's so tough. Think Mullen's first full year of recruiting his class was in the 40s so there's precedent there. But I would have liked to have gotten 1 or 2 more kids like a Mingo.

[Hambone]

Is there any chance with Xavier Hill now or has LSU locked that up?

[Cooterpoot]

Hill is done. No shot.

[Todd4State]

Lol... compare recent to recent.
2012 - 22nd
2013 - 24th
2014 - 36th
2015 - 18th
2016 - 28th
2017 - 24th
2018 - 27th
2019 - 24th

There's been no real appreciable difference in recruiting

Good job by Dan of taking advantage of 2014.**

The biggest difference is we are filling our spots better. We’re not neglecting position groups. We get killed every year because we have all freshmen and sophomores at certain position groups and we get exposed.

[Really Clark?]

Good job by Dan of taking advantage of 2014.**

The biggest difference is we are filling our spots better. We’re not neglecting position groups. We get killed every year because we have all freshmen and sophomores at certain position groups and we get exposed.

Not as high as we hoped but 2015 was his best class the cycle after the #1 ranking. Then back to normal

[Ari Gold]

Lol... compare recent to recent.
2012 - 22nd
2013 - 24th
2014 - 36th
2015 - 18th
2016 - 28th
2017 - 24th
2018 - 27th
2019 - 24th

There's been no real appreciable difference in recruiting

No one ever said Joe was going to pulling in top 10 classes year after year..

[Ari Gold]

I would say disappointing. That first full year of recruiting is harder across the board for any new head coach. A lot of times you can keep the class you walk into together and he did that. It's the next year that's so tough. Think Mullen's first full year of recruiting his class was in the 40s so there's precedent there. But I would have liked to have gotten 1 or 2 more kids like a Mingo.

The big miss last year as Bryan Young. And if Baker had stayed with the staff we prob end up with him
And Charles Moore as we all see now was a good miss ..

[Commercecomet24]

The big miss last year as Bryan Young. And if Baker had stayed with the staff we prob end up with him
And Charles Moore as we all see now was a good miss ..

I've known Byron since he was in kindegarten and my youngest son grew up playing with Byron and they're great friends, still talk quite often. Byron and his parents loved Saban, we weren't getting him. He really liked Moorhead and Baker and wavered a tad but he was never really close to flipping(of course Baker going to Bama cemented the deal even more). Just a side note, Byron and his family did not like Mullen at all and that turned him off State to begin with.

[Commercecomet24]

No one ever said Joe was going to pulling in top 10 classes year after year..

Yeah while the rankings are similar Joe has worked harder at balancing the position groups and classes.

[Ari Gold]

Yeah while the rankings are similar Joe has worked harder at balancing the position groups and classes.

And the fact that Joe himself is greatly involved in the recruiting process, and what he expects from his staff..
the biggest problem is the support and resources that the football program is allowed and has.. Its amazing how far behind we are in that area..

We can save that for another thread .. no need to bog down the recruiting thread with that.. it gets bogged down enough already with bullshit

[Commercecomet24]

And the fact that Joe himself is greatly involved in the recruiting process, and what he expects from his staff..
the biggest problem is the support and resources that the football program is allowed and has.. Its amazing how far behind we are in that area..

We can save that for another thread .. no need to bog down the recruiting thread with that.. it gets bogged down enough already with bullshit

Agree on all! Always appreciate your info!

[Irondawg]

Just because I'm curious what is Saban's big pitch and how does he come off as a great recruiter when he doesn't generally seem very personable?

[1bigdawg]

This year's ranking is hurt by it being a bad year in Mississippi for "stars." We have some solid guys in State and did not miss on many, Xavier Hill being the worst miss. We have two solid out of state guys and have built relationships in state.

We need to increase our recruiting budget to make it competitive. We should be able to get some really good guys out of Louisiana as LSU is only generally interested in the to 10 - 12 and there is a lot of talent below those guys. Alabama is tougher, but there are usually a couple of guys that slip through the cracks - those that are dead set on playing for Bama but for whom there is not room. Then we HAVE to get into Georgia. There is so much talent there. The top 100 guys are all P5 players.

I am not a Joe fan, but he is working well on the recruiting trail given our athletic department's limitations.

[Really Clark?]

Just because I'm curious what is Saban's big pitch and how does he come off as a great recruiter when he doesn't generally seem very personable?

A hand plus one full of national title rings

[Commercecomet24]

Just because I'm curious what is Saban's big pitch and how does he come off as a great recruiter when he doesn't generally seem very personable?

Even my backups make it to the NFL, plus all those rings.

[Irondawg]

That's what I expected, I just didn't know if there was anything more to it than selling the success itself.

[ShotgunDawg]

Just because I'm curious what is Saban's big pitch and how does he come off as a great recruiter when he doesn't generally seem very personable?

The reality is that about 8 programs have a monopoly on college football recruiting. Whether it's rings, paying players, NFL, etc, just make up an excuse for whatever day it is, you can't build a program to beat those 8 teams in recruiting.

Clemson has come the closest, but they've got some unique circumstances that have allowed them to do it.

[AROB44]

The reality is that about 8 programs have a monopoly on college football recruiting. Whether it's rings, paying players, NFL, etc, just make up an excuse for whatever day it is, you can't build a program to beat those 8 teams in recruiting.

Clemson has come the closest, but they've got some unique circumstances that have allowed them to do it.

Clemson is a program that was built by cheating. No one really cared because the ACC, in general, did not care about football. It was just a basketball conference.

[ShotgunDawg]

Clemson is a program that was built by cheating. No one really cared because the ACC, in general, did not care about football. It was just a basketball conference.

I agree with this

[Cowbell]

Clemson is a program that was built by cheating. No one really cared because the ACC, in general, did not care about football. It was just a basketball conference.

Please explain

[Bothrops]

Lol... compare recent to recent.
2012 - 22nd
2013 - 24th
2014 - 36th
2015 - 18th
2016 - 28th
2017 - 24th
2018 - 27th
2019 - 24th

There's been no real appreciable difference in recruiting

So what would you say Mullen's class recruiting ranking would be right now if he were still here?

[StateDawg44]

Who cares? He's not so why speculate other than to argue?

[msstate7]

So what would you say Mullen's class recruiting ranking would be right now if he were still here?

+-3-4 spots

[Todd4State]

+-3-4 spots

We're 20th right now as I post this. You really think that Dan would have us at 16-17 on the high end right now before the All-Star Games and the inevitable re-rankings?

[msstate7]

We're 20th right now as I post this. You really think that Dan would have us at 16-17 on the high end right now before the All-Star Games and the inevitable re-rankings?

Or at 23-24. Dan's best class was after a 10 win season though, and had he stayed, he certainly would've won 10 last season. He didn't though. This is all hypothetical, but what isn't hypothetical is that joe hasn't raised our recruiting rankings so far

[Todd4State]

Or at 23-24. Dan's best class was after a 10 win season though, and had he stayed, he certainly would've won 10 last season. He didn't though. This is all hypothetical, but what isn't hypothetical is that joe hasn't raised our recruiting rankings so far

Our ranking right now would be the second highest rated class in Dan Mullen's tenure. I think when it's all said and done it will be in the top 25.

There is more to it than rankings though. Dan was terrible at roster management. See our DT's this year. If you have the number 25 class that has the positions evenly distributed that's better than the number 25 class with one offensive lineman in it, three small slot type receivers, and most of the higher rated players on defense. Same as Ole Miss having a top 15 or even top 10 class but with 6-7 four star WR's a couple of random four star guys that have no shot at qualifying and very little defensive talent. And yet their fans wonder how they finish 5-7 every year.

The only unpredictable thing about our class currently is if the jackwagons at 24/7 sports will actually re-rate our recruits like Cooley, Dean, Will Rogers, and etc. like they should. I have my doubts. But hey- we're going off of "experts" who have as much football experience as the average poster on here.

[MetEdDawg]

Our ranking right now would be the second highest rated class in Dan Mullen's tenure. I think when it's all said and done it will be in the top 25.

There is more to it than rankings though. Dan was terrible at roster management. See our DT's this year. If you have the number 25 class that has the positions evenly distributed that's better than the number 25 class with one offensive lineman in it, three small slot type receivers, and most of the higher rated players on defense. Same as Ole Miss having a top 15 or even top 10 class but with 6-7 four star WR's a couple of random four star guys that have no shot at qualifying and very little defensive talent. And yet their fans wonder how they finish 5-7 every year.

The only unpredictable thing about our class currently is if the jackwagons at 24/7 sports will actually re-rate our recruits like Cooley, Dean, Will Rogers, and etc. like they should. I have my doubts. But hey- we're going off of "experts" who have as much football experience as the average poster on here.

Every one of those 3 you mentioned should be 4 stars. But I'm with you. I don't see a re ranking happening for all 3. Maybe 1 of them. Dean probably is the best candidate. But I don't see us getting the benefit there. People might lose their crap if we actually made a push to crack the Top 15. And we could do that with those 3 you mentioned as 4 stars and finishing pretty strong.

Wheat should also be a 4 star.

[Irondawg]

https://n.rivals.com/news/al-ms-game-mississippi-skills-1-on-1-drill

Some MSU guys in here. Harvey looked fantastic. I know he's undersized, but I could see him being a great 3rd down back type or maybe just winning some time in the slot

[Homedawg]

Harvey is not a back... he's a wr. He's a solid player. Don't think he's a game changer here though.

[HailStateSZN19]

Harvey is not a back... he's a wr. He's a solid player. Don't think he's a game changer here though.

I would agree he’s not a “game changer” but he’s put up some stats at Starkville and he performed very very well today at the MS/AL 1-on-1 drills going up against some other MSU commits at DB. He catches everything that’s thrown at him and seems to be a solid route runner. That’s an improvement at least over what we’ve had the last several years. He’d at least catch the damn ball.

[vv83]

https://n.rivals.com/news/al-ms-game-mississippi-skills-1-on-1-drill

Some MSU guys in here. Harvey looked fantastic. I know he's undersized, but I could see him being a great 3rd down back type or maybe just winning some time in the slot

Whatever happened to Alex Adams? Did we back off after he de-committed?

[Ari Gold]

Whatever happened to Alex Adams? Did we back off after he de-committed?

Grade risk...

[vv83]

Grade risk...

Ah. Any chance on the juco dude committed to Memphis now that Norvell left? Or was he not a take for us anyway

[msstate7]

What's the realistic wish list right now?

[Irondawg]

I know Harvey isn't a normal back but I'm thinking as a pass-catching 3rd down back - we don't have a jitterbug type back there that can destroy a LB in the open field like the Pats constantly use James White and Dion Lewis before him. We don't have very many "make you miss types". Last one was Tubby although Ross had that ability as well.

[bulldawg28]

Are we recruiting the safety from Florence AL that's transferring from Michigan?

[chef dixon]

IYOK I know you prob laying low during all the BS on here the last few weeks but any recruiting finish info from your perspective?

[Scared_Hitless]

Any reason we are not recruiting the WR out of Starkville I know his size but he is going to be a player somewhere. Same with Brownlee

[Cooterpoot]

Any reason we are not recruiting the WR out of Starkville I know his size but he is going to be a player somewhere. Same with Brownlee

Neither are overly fast and Harvey is just too small.

[Scared_Hitless]

Neither are overly fast and Harvey is just too small.

We sure do miss out on alot of players due to so called measurables. Hope it works out for both

[Westdawg]

I liked Harvey on film. But the one that intrigued me in that video was Tripp Wilson. Is he a TE prospect? He didn't cut as well and not as fluid in his hips, but he had some real speed and hands.

[maroonmania]

That's what I expected, I just didn't know if there was anything more to it than selling the success itself.

Not sure I buy that completely. He was getting great classes at Bama before the titles started being accumulated. Heck, he had a great class even after his first year when he went 6-6 at Bama. Of course I guess maybe the one title at LSU was enough to sell recruits on.

[Irondawg]

With Warren I'm surprised Southern Miss hasn't shown more interest - I wonder if there is something else like grades that might be an issue. My take is if you're under 4.6 you're fast enough if you can run routes well. Ideally the smaller you are the faster you'd need to be but he does seem to have above average change of direction. I get why we're passing on him but I wouldn't call it a waste of a scholarship if we gave him a late offer.

Tulu didn't look as clean in his routes as most of them. I know one guy on 24/7 likes him better as a corner but I honestly haven't seen much of him.

Walley was impressive in the video for a guy that hasn't played much WR.

The ND commit at DB didn't look good at all to me

[Westdawg]

I went back and watched the all star video a couple more times.
Harvey just looks dang impressive. I know we "don't have a spot" but I think he might be that kid that we look back in a couple years and wonder why we didn't push hard and go after him.
I would like to see video of Jackson and Spencer on the OL/DL drills. We desperately need two more quality OL and at least 1-2 more DL. I would like to see those last 4 spots devoted to getting some quality depth there.

[Bothrops]

Walley looks natural at receiver, and Tulu can fly.

[jacksondawg]

I went back and watched the all star video a couple more times.
Harvey just looks dang impressive. I know we "don't have a spot" but I think he might be that kid that we look back in a couple years and wonder why we didn't push hard and go after him.
I would like to see video of Jackson and Spencer on the OL/DL drills. We desperately need two more quality OL and at least 1-2 more DL. I would like to see those last 4 spots devoted to getting some quality depth there.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di97YrmhdyA

[Scared_Hitless]

I went back and watched the all star video a couple more times.
Harvey just looks dang impressive. I know we "don't have a spot" but I think he might be that kid that we look back in a couple years and wonder why we didn't push hard and go after him.
I would like to see video of Jackson and Spencer on the OL/DL drills. We desperately need two more quality OL and at least 1-2 more DL. I would like to see those last 4 spots devoted to getting some quality depth there.

We will he is another Darrell Henderson, Dylan Bradley type we will regret it later sometimes game tape dont lie and if we are willing to sign projects rather it be a hometown baller. Dexter Mccluster was small at OM and he dominated size isnt everything. As fare as Jackson his 1v1 drills from today were dominant.

[HailStateSZN19]

Walley looks natural at receiver, and Tulu can fly.

Walley impressed me the most. He looked way more fluid at WR than I expected. Looked good getting in and out of his cuts and tracked the ball well on deep balls. Once Tulu gets some instruction on refining his route running, he’s going to be lethal because like you said he can fly, he’s quick, and electric with the ball in his hands. I really think the WR class of Heath, Walley, Tulu, & Ducking winds up moving the needle a little more than maybe we expect when it’s said and done. I think Walley ends up being the steal of the class maybe. He’s a freak of an athlete.

[Westdawg]

Trey Tuggle and Davion Carter. Carter reminds me a lot of Dillon Day his senior year of HS.
I would like to see more of Carter on film.

[Westdawg]

More thoughts and questions:

- where is MSU with Josaih Hayes? Really like what I saw in the film.
- not even close, McKinnley Jackson was the best looking DL in that film. Great hands, footwork, and technique. There wasn't another DL that looked on the same level as he did. I would have liked to have seen at least one solid bull rush from him just to see that he has legit power, but you can look at his frame and tell it's there. He's gained enough technique that he's overmatching any of the guys he's facing on the HS level now.
Biggest question I have regarding Jackson is are we even in his final 5? Looked up his profile and even our site guys are calling it for LSU or OM.

[Irondawg]

Tuggle did look nice in that limited video - good balance. Wonder if we'll take a 2nd look at him

[ShotgunDawg]

More thoughts and questions:

- where is MSU with Josaih Hayes? Really like what I saw in the film.
- not even close, McKinnley Jackson was the best looking DL in that film. Great hands, footwork, and technique. There wasn't another DL that looked on the same level as he did. I would have liked to have seen at least one solid bull rush from him just to see that he has legit power, but you can look at his frame and tell it's there. He's gained enough technique that he's overmatching any of the guys he's facing on the HS level now.
Biggest question I have regarding Jackson is are we even in his final 5? Looked up his profile and even our site guys are calling it for LSU or OM.

That's one recruitment that I don't understand one bit

No one even talks about him.

[msugolf]

We sure do miss out on alot of players due to so called measurables. Hope it works out for both

Antonio Brown 5'10" ..... Rufus Harvey 5'10"

Yep Harvey has no chance due to his size **

[Ari Gold]

That's one recruitment that I don't understand one bit

No one even talks about him.

It’s simple.. he has never been interested in coming here..

[Cowbell]

Looking at Cameron Thomas from Picayune - supposedly nations leading rusher - zero offers - what’s the deal - too small for SEC but someone should look at him.

[Ari Gold]

Let’s not put too much stock in some of these kids at the Ms/Ala all star game and practice..
some of you on here do it every year
Prime example is the Knight kid a couple of years ago was made out to be the next Darren Sproles.

In the end if there is room for Harvey I think the staff will take him.
in 2018 I think we flipped Kameron Jones the OL from Starkville on NSD from ULL or La Tech
odds are Harvey will be there in the end if we decide to pull the trigger

[Cooterpoot]

Antonio Brown 5'10" ..... Rufus Harvey 5'10"

Yep Harvey has no chance due to his size **

1. Harvey isn?t 5?10
2. Harvey doesn?t run a 4.4
3. Harvey is 25lbs lighter.

Offer him a preferred walk-on spot and if he earns his spot, give him a scholarship. Otherwise, move on.

[Coursesuper]

Looking at Cameron Thomas from Picayune - supposedly nations leading rusher - zero offers - what’s the deal - too small for SEC but someone should look at him.

Slow, PMHS runs and runs and runs some more that was the Dodd Lee way. Run 5 plays and run them very very well.

[Cooterpoot]

Slow, PMHS runs and runs and runs some more that was the Dodd Lee way. Run 5 plays and run them very very well.

He’s not slow. He ran a 4.5. But he’s small.

[Coursesuper]

He?s not slow. He ran a 4.5. But he?s small.

I?ve seen him play since jr high, he isn?t out running anyone at the next level.

[Cooterpoot]

I?ve seen him play since jr high, he isn?t out running anyone at the next level.

Well, he’s got a camp time in the 4.5s. That’s not bad. But probably means 4.6. Still, he’s not big enough. But he’s fun to watch at the HS level.

[Coursesuper]

Well, he’s got a camp time in the 4.5s. That’s not bad. But probably means 4.6. Still, he’s not big enough. But he’s fun to watch at the HS level.

Yep.

[maroonmania]

It’s simple.. he has never been interested in coming here..

Which is odd given we took a flyer on his teammate last year and his HS coach is a former MSU football player. Very strange.

[msbulldog]

Which is odd given we took a flyer on his teammate last year and his HS coach is a former MSU football player. Very strange.

That was not only his teammate, their cousins.

[Really Clark?]

Which is odd given we took a flyer on his teammate last year and his HS coach is a former MSU football player. Very strange.

Matt’s not the type of coach who pushes a player to certain schools. Will he try to help a player get an offer to here, absolutely but if the kid has a lot of options, he is not going to push to us or away from other schools.

[bulldawg28]

Matt’s not the type of coach who pushes a player to certain schools. Will he try to help a player get an offer to here, absolutely but if the kid has a lot of options, he is not going to push to us or away from other schools.

That's the proper way to handle it.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

That's the proper way to handle it.

Morally yes, but we are talking about recruiting lol

[HancockCountyDog]

Gotta admit with the train wreck in sharkford I was expecting a better year, I guess just a down year in talent.

Can’t believe signing day is only a week away and this thread is only 119-120 pages.

[HoopsDawg]

Gotta admit with the train wreck in sharkford I was expecting a better year, I guess just a down year in talent.

Can’t believe signing day is only a week away and this thread is only 119-120 pages.

Just not many big in-state battles. And we've only got a few out of state guys.

[Ari Gold]

Gotta admit with the train wreck in sharkford I was expecting a better year, I guess just a down year in talent.

Can’t believe signing day is only a week away and this thread is only 119-120 pages.

Actually a good thing.. everything is relatively quiet with the guys we have committed and expecting to sign Wednesday. And I don’t think we will have any bad surprises come Dec 18..

[maroonmania]

Matt’s not the type of coach who pushes a player to certain schools. Will he try to help a player get an offer to here, absolutely but if the kid has a lot of options, he is not going to push to us or away from other schools.

I know that and know Matt well. The point was that McKinley certainly isn't getting any negative MSU influence from his coaching staff.

[HoopsDawg]

I know that and know Matt well. The point was that McKinley certainly isn't getting any negative MSU influence from his coaching staff.

We didn't target many 4 or 5 stars this year. We seemed to identify the 3 stars that we liked and went hard after them.

[bigplayslay]

I may have missed this and sorry if I did but what about Justin Shorter WR transfer from Penn State? Do we have a shot because of Joe?

[Bothrops]

We didn't target many 4 or 5 stars this year. We seemed to identify the 3 stars that we liked and went hard after them.

Guys that will listen.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

1. Harvey isn?t 5?10
2. Harvey doesn?t run a 4.4
3. Harvey is 25lbs lighter.

Offer him a preferred walk-on spot and if he earns his spot, give him a scholarship. Otherwise, move on.
Harvey is missing the MS/AL all star game Saturday because he is taking the ACT...if/when he passes he may get an offer...
Do public schools even have academic advisors? Why hasn?t he taken the ACT a year ago?

[MetEdDawg]

Harvey is missing the MS/AL all star game Saturday because he is taking the ACT...if/when he passes he may get an offer...
Do public schools even have academic advisors? Why hasn?t he taken the ACT a year ago?

It's possible he did and is trying to get a score that would be high enough to get him into a school.

[Ari Gold]

It's possible he did and is trying to get a score that would be high enough to get him into a school.

I couldnt care either way ,
But if everyone knew he wasn’t going to be playing in the game hopefully it didnt coast another kid a chance to be apart of the game and the team ..
If so, they just cheated some kid of the opportunity to practice, Showcase himself , get some exposure , and play in the game.
I have no problem with Harvey being selected and even practicing but the committee who selected this team better have selected and added an extra kid to the roster.

That’s the bigger point to all of this...

Now back to recruiting talk...

[StateDawg44]

What's up with Sebastian Dolcine? Is he in or out? He took a visit to UCF last week. I know we need depth at OL.

It says he committed to us in June according to 24/7 but he isn't shown as committed as part of the class like others who are 'committed'. Even if they are still talking visits too.

Sorry if this has been addressed.

[KOdawg1]

What's up with Sebastian Dolcine? Is he in or out? He took a visit to UCF last week. I know we need depth at OL.

It says he committed to us in June according to 24/7 but he isn't shown as committed as part of the class like others who are 'committed'. Even if they are still talking visits too.

Sorry if this has been addressed.
He won't be a part of our class. Mutual split

[KOdawg1]

However, Yancy reported that Khalil Benson (OG from Southaven) reopened his recruitment. He was close to committing to us back in the summer I think. Need to get him on board

[HailStateSZN19]

I couldnt care either way ,
But if everyone knew he wasn’t going to be playing in the game hopefully it didnt coast another kid a chance to be apart of the game and the team ..
If so, they just cheated some kid of the opportunity to practice, Showcase himself , get some exposure , and play in the game.
I have no problem with Harvey being selected and even practicing but the committee who selected this team better have selected and added an extra kid to the roster.

That’s the bigger point to all of this...

Now back to recruiting talk...

Ari, do you expect us to add another grad transfer at WR and hope it pans out this time?

WR core of Heath (who I think will eventually be a solid SEC WR), Mitchell, Payton, Austin Williams, Ducking, Torbor, Cam Gardner, etc. ain't scaring anyone next year & ain't gonna cut it for Joe's offense to work.

We need either a starting slot transfer WR b/c I don't think Austin Williams is a starting SEC slot guy or we need to move Payton to slot & get an outside WR transfer.

[Cooterpoot]

I couldnt care either way ,
But if everyone knew he wasn’t going to be playing in the game hopefully it didnt coast another kid a chance to be apart of the game and the team ..
If so, they just cheated some kid of the opportunity to practice, Showcase himself , get some exposure , and play in the game.
I have no problem with Harvey being selected and even practicing but the committee who selected this team better have selected and added an extra kid to the roster.

That’s the bigger point to all of this...

Now back to recruiting talk...

That game is very political anyway.

[Cooterpoot]

However, Yancy reported that Khalil Benson (OG from Southaven) reopened his recruitment. He was close to committing to us back in the summer I think. Need to get him on board

He missed his shot and will now have to wait and see if he?s got a spot. He?s an interior guy. Behind a couple guys but I?d take him if he wanted to commit. Just hope we don?t chase some BS again and miss out on an OL.

[Westdawg]

He missed his shot and will now have to wait and see if he?s got a spot. He?s an interior guy. Behind a couple guys but I?d take him if he wanted to commit. Just hope we don?t chase some BS again and miss out on an OL.

Yeah, there's no good reason to have not already had him committed that I know of. We need some quality depth on the interior and he would definitely be that at the least

[Irondawg]

Does anybody have any insight into E.Jai Mason? His recruitment went totally dark but he did have a high SPARQ score at camps this summer as I recall.

[KOdawg1]

Does anybody have any insight into E.Jai Mason? His recruitment went totally dark but he did have a high SPARQ score at camps this summer as I recall.

If I remember correctly, he sorta screwed himself by decommitting. Thought he was a hotter commodity than he was and now he's most likely going G5

[Cooterpoot]

Does anybody have any insight into E.Jai Mason? His recruitment went totally dark but he did have a high SPARQ score at camps this summer as I recall.

USM probably. He slow. Should’ve never given him a commitable offer

[chef dixon]

Can anyone explain why Ole Miss always has their big weekend after ours and right before signing day? Seems like it wont be very impactful on us this year but I have always wondered how they always seem to have that position

[Cooterpoot]

Same reason they announced Kiffin during the SEC championship. Get some last minute splash....errrr spend some last minute cash.

[msbulldog]

The had scheduled it last weekend , but postponed it when Luke got fired. The dead period starts This Sunday so it cuts into their big weekend

[Todd4State]

Same reason they announced Kiffin during the SEC championship. Get some last minute splash....errrr spend some last minute cash.

Or all the above.

[Westdawg]

Kid doesn't even have a profile, but y'all need to look up this CB from Escambia HS in Florida.
6' and played Like a 4-5 star against top flight competition.
Tony Broadnax.
http://www.hudl.com/v/2CVC3m

[chef dixon]

Kid doesn't even have a profile, but y'all need to look up this CB from Escambia HS in Florida.
6' and played Like a 4-5 star against top flight competition.
Tony Broadnax.
http://www.hudl.com/v/2CVC3m

Looks like he's had some legal troubles and adjusting to taking care of a little girl. Hopefully he can get it all figured out and get a chance. Hope our coaches have at least considered.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Tyrese Hopkins. Any idea why we havent offered him?

[Todd4State]

Tyrese Hopkins. Any idea why we havent offered him?

Probably because we're chasing some out of state guys.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Probably because we're chasing some out of state guys.

Well OM hasnt either. Doesnt make much sense to me.

[Todd4State]

Well OM hasnt either. Doesnt make much sense to me.

I'm thinking Ole Miss is going to focus more on out of state guys for the most part with their new staff.

[Cooterpoot]

Tyrese Hopkins. Any idea why we havent offered him?

You guys really think we haven’t seen a kid in Starkville? He’s not very big and there’s some questions there. Don’t put too much into an all star game. A kid that went to Delta State looked like all sec there one year.

[Hambone]

So did any of our commits visit places this weekend? Is it possible that this Wednesday is going to be one of the less drama filled signing days of late?

[Cowbell]

So did any of our commits visit places this weekend? Is it possible that this Wednesday is going to be one of the less drama filled signing days of late?

I?m impressed with the lack of drama so far. Here?s to hoping we have recruited the right kind of guys that are mature through this process.

[Ari Gold]

You guys really think we haven’t seen a kid in Starkville? He’s not very big and there’s some questions there. Don’t put too much into an all star game. A kid that went to Delta State looked like all sec there one year.

Exactly

[Cooterpoot]

So did any of our commits visit places this weekend? Is it possible that this Wednesday is going to be one of the less drama filled signing days of late?

Wheat was it. He went to Baylor. But I don’t see any drama there. He knows he’s got a chance to start day one here. If he doesn’t sign Wed, then I’ll worry.

[Cooterpoot]

I think we’re going to close pretty strong. Richardson looks good to go. I think we have a shot to pull Wright and a couple OL. Juco DB is the only question but we’ve got a shot there. Things are falling into place it appears. The coaching changes are going to benefit us I think. Wed should see a huge chunk of the class sign. That’s important.

[Ari Gold]

Wheat was it. He went to Baylor. But I don’t see any drama there. He knows he’s got a chance to start day one here. If he doesn’t sign Wed, then I’ll worry.

He will sign Wednesday no matter where he goes..
I don’t think there is a issue with him..

[Ari Gold]

I think we’re going to close pretty strong. Richardson looks good to go. I think we have a shot to pull Wright and a couple OL. Juco DB is the only question but we’ve got a shot there. Things are falling into place it appears. The coaching changes are going to benefit us I think. Wed should see a huge chunk of the class sign. That’s important.

Forbes is really the only one to keep an eye on Wednesday.. if he doesn’t sign early it’s a toss up with him come Feb..

[vv83]

Forbes is really the only one to keep an eye on Wednesday.. if he doesn’t sign early it’s a toss up with him come Feb..

I thought he said he shut down his recruitment?

[Ari Gold]

I thought he said he shut down his recruitment?

Kids say a lot during the recruiting process...

[vv83]

Kids say a lot during the recruiting process...

Here we go

[MetEdDawg]

I feel like this class is addressing some short term holes and has some solid players in it.

Question for me is can Moorhead blend our finish with some solid pickups and some additional 4-5 year positional needs like LB and WR.

We are looking at potentially three straight Top 25 recruiting finishes under Moorhead. Tell me he hasn't changed the culture of recruiting for us and stabilized it. He may not be in the teens like the couple times Mullen did, but positionally we are set up better depth wise and have been getting some solid players in here. Lot of young kids on this team that found early success that we can build around

[Ari Gold]

Here we go

Never said I didn’t expect him to not sign Wednesday..but if you had asked me 3 months ago if Forbes would sign early I would have said no.
Great job by the staff of Forbes..

[Ari Gold]

Here we go

Never said I didn?t expect him to not sign Wednesday..but if you had asked me 3 months ago if Forbes would sign early I would have said no.
Great job by the staff of Forbes..

[msbulldog]

I feel like this class is addressing some short term holes and has some solid players in it.

Question for me is can Moorhead blend our finish with some solid pickups and some additional 4-5 year positional needs like LB and WR.

We are looking at potentially three straight Top 25 recruiting finishes under Moorhead. Tell me he hasn't changed the culture of recruiting for us and stabilized it. He may not be in the teens like the couple times Mullen did, but positionally we are set up better depth wise and have been getting some solid players in here. Lot of young kids on this team that found early success that we can build around

Mullen only made the teens once, 18th in 2015.

[Cooterpoot]

I feel like this class is addressing some short term holes and has some solid players in it.

Question for me is can Moorhead blend our finish with some solid pickups and some additional 4-5 year positional needs like LB and WR.

We are looking at potentially three straight Top 25 recruiting finishes under Moorhead. Tell me he hasn't changed the culture of recruiting for us and stabilized it. He may not be in the teens like the couple times Mullen did, but positionally we are set up better depth wise and have been getting some solid players in here. Lot of young kids on this team that found early success that we can build around

Meh, Mullen didn?t have big holes til the last couple years when he quit on us. We still have holes next year at RB, and LB and that?s on Joe just about as much as Mullen. WR is another issue. We still aren’t getting big time WRs. Especially RB. Coaching changes this year is going to hopefully boost our end of the cycle recruiting. Difference in the two is negligible.

[bulldawg28]

Meh, Mullen didn?t have big holes til the last couple years when he quit on us. We still have holes niece year at RB and LB and that?s on Joe just about as much as Mullen. Especially RB. Coaching changes this year is going to hopefully boost our end of the cycle recruiting.

How are coaching changes going to boost if we're signing all of the commits and no new guys?

[MetEdDawg]

Mullen only made the teens once, 18th in 2015.

I count his first class prior to his first full year on campus which I believe also finished 18

[Bothrops]

Mullen wouldn't have us in the top 25 right now in recruiting, with a down year in MS. You can bet your ass on that.

[msstate7]

Mullen wouldn't have us in the top 25 right now in recruiting, with a down year in MS. You can bet your ass on that.

Tell us how the great joe did in the historic year for miss talent in 2019.

[msbulldog]

Tell us how the great joe did in the historic year for miss talent in 2019.

7 this is a decent class, if we sign everybody.

[msstate7]

7 this is a decent class, if we sign everybody.

Not saying it isn't. I'm just wanting to see results that show joe is such an upgrade over Mullen recruiting. Right now, the difference is hard to see bc we're where we've always been. Oh, and bothrops, 18 of our 21 commits are from miss or play juco in miss, so if this is a down year in miss, we screwed

[MetEdDawg]

Not saying it isn't. I'm just wanting to see results that show joe is such an upgrade over Mullen recruiting. Right now, the difference is hard to see bc we're where we've always been. Oh, and bothrops, 18 of our 21 commits are from miss or play juco in miss, so if this is a down year in miss, we screwed

It's not a down year. There's not as much high end talent.

For example, currently the 20th ranked player in MS is E'Jai Mason. He's rated .8668. Last year, the 20th recruit was Zac Edwards who went to Louisville. He was rated a .8709. So the difference between the 2 year over year is less than half a point. In 2018, Jett Johnson was #20 overall and was rated a .8518. A full point and a half LOWER than the #20 this year.

So this class isn't a down year overall. It is compared to last year. But overall it's deeper than 2018. A little research goes a long way in correcting a false narrative used to bolster one's opinion.

[msstate7]

It's not a down year. There's not as much high end talent.

For example, currently the 20th ranked player in MS is E'Jai Mason. He's rated .8668. Last year, the 20th recruit was Zac Edwards who went to Louisville. He was rated a .8709. So the difference between the 2 year over year is less than half a point. In 2018, Jett Johnson was #20 overall and was rated a .8518. A full point and a half LOWER than the #20 this year.

So this class isn't a down year overall. It is compared to last year. But overall it's deeper than 2018. A little research goes a long way in correcting a false narrative used to bolster one's opinion.

Did I say this was a down year?

[Cooterpoot]

It's not a down year. There's not as much high end talent.

For example, currently the 20th ranked player in MS is E'Jai Mason. He's rated .8668. Last year, the 20th recruit was Zac Edwards who went to Louisville. He was rated a .8709. So the difference between the 2 year over year is less than half a point. In 2018, Jett Johnson was #20 overall and was rated a .8518. A full point and a half LOWER than the #20 this year.

So this class isn't a down year overall. It is compared to last year. But overall it's deeper than 2018. A little research goes a long way in correcting a false narrative used to bolster one's opinion.

It’s a down year. The talent isn’t here this year. It is deep with marginal talent, but it’s not a strong year in MS.

[MetEdDawg]

It’s a down year. The talent isn’t here this year. It is deep with marginal talent, but it’s not a strong year in MS.

The high end talent isn't there correct. But as far as depth goes, using the 20th player as a consistent measuring point, the 20th player in MS this year is the 2nd highest rated going back all the way to 2014 when I stopped looking. Only year higher was last year.

In addition, in comparison to Jett Johnson who was the 20th rated player in 2018, we have 4 guys this year ranked 23, 25, 26, and 27 in MS. All 4 of them are rated higher than Jett was 2 years ago.

[MetEdDawg]

Did I say this was a down year?

No. But you've perpetuating the myth that Moorhead isn't a better recruiter than Mullen.

If Moorhead signs Marks, that will give him 5 out of state 4 stars in his first 3 classes. Do you know how many Mullen signed in his last 5 years?? 2.

Going backwards from 2017 to 2013 we finished 24, 28, 18, 36, 24. And that #18 class? We enrolled 26. Moorhead has 20 and 21 from the 2 previous years. Average star ratings? Moorhead's worst is an average of 87.2. Last year had an 88.34. Mullen's best year recruiting on average ranking in his last 5 years would finish 3rd behind 2019 and 2020 for Moorhead.

So this myth that Moorhead isn't better than Mullen at recruiting is exactly that. A myth. You can hammer him for on the field play. But find me a period of time with more ready to play freshman over the last decade than we had this year. Moorhead is getting done in recruiting period.

[msstate7]

No. But you've perpetuating the myth that Moorhead isn't a better recruiter than Mullen.

If Moorhead signs Marks, that will give him 5 out of state 4 stars in his first 3 classes. Do you know how many Mullen signed in his last 5 years?? 2.

Going backwards from 2017 to 2013 we finished 24, 28, 18, 36, 24. And that #18 class? We enrolled 26. Moorhead has 20 and 21 from the 2 previous years. Average star ratings? Moorhead's worst is an average of 87.2. Last year had an 88.34. Mullen's best year recruiting on average ranking in his last 5 years would finish 3rd behind 2019 and 2020 for Moorhead.

So this myth that Moorhead isn't better than Mullen at recruiting is exactly that. A myth. You can hammer him for on the field play. But find me a period of time with more ready to play freshman over the last decade than we had this year. Moorhead is getting done in recruiting period.

Mayden and whop being counted for Moorhead is pretty generous of you considering they were coming before Moorhead was here; I realize whop committed after Mullen was gone, but it was known he was coming. Both are expected to leave, right?

Moorhead had no business undersigning last season

[DeputyDawg94]

Mullen wouldn't have us in the top 25 right now in recruiting, with a down year in MS. You can bet your ass on that.

The difference is Mullen could take a 25 average ranked team and beat joe with 15 average ranked team. Mullen is an arrogant bastard who I didn’t personally like but the man could coach circles around what we have now.

[NCDawg]

The difference is Mullen could take a 25 average ranked team and beat joe with 15 average ranked team. Mullen is an arrogant bastard who I didn’t personally like but the man could coach circles around what we have now.

I think you are correct. I didn't like Mullen either, but got to admit he's a pretty good coach.

[timotheus]

What we are slowly seeing is how good Moorhead is at getting less out of more. I honestly have no idea how he can change this trend and have seen nothing to this point that could be considered as long term positive.

[Hambone]

Trey Tuggle just de committed from Tulane. Is this someone we may be going after?

[ShotgunDawg]

Trey Tuggle just de committed from Tulane. Is this someone we may be going after?

A Tulane commit?

[Hambone]

He’s 6’6 315. We’ve done worse. Played in the MS/AL all star game. I know nothing about him, therefor I came here to ask.

Why don’t you go start a new thread about some random crap Shotgun.

[Cooterpoot]

A Tulane commit?

He’s as good or better than one we’ve got committed. But I don’t think we’re taking him. Not unless a couple guys tell us no.

[Irondawg]

The short video released of OL vs DL for Mississippi practice Tuggle looked really good. Small sample though

ETA - Wouldn't surprise me if he got an OM offer as they need to start filling that class and none of our 24/7 guys have even mentioned him as a possibility on the OL we're chasing

[ShotgunDawg]

Really wish we could get Edgerinn Cooper but it looks like he's intent on being the backup plan for a blue blood.

He Is the type of players that the blue bloods keep warm to prevent him from signing early, and sign at the last second only for us to never hear of them again.

Cooper is the exact type of player that is the personification of why schollies need to be cut to 70-75. For a blue blood, he is nothing more than a stockpiled talent that they'll recruit over when he could be a productive starter for us. Just stinks that college football works like this.

It destroys the sports and creates the reason why most Saturdays we watch blowouts.

[Ari Gold]

Really wish we could get Edgerinn Cooper but it looks like he's intent on being the backup plan for a blue blood.

He Is the type of players that the blue bloods keep warm to prevent him from signing early, and sign at the last second only for us to never hear of them again.

Cooper is the exact type of player that is the personification of why schollies need to be cut to 70-75. For a blue blood, he is nothing more than a stockpiled talent that they'll recruit over when he could be a productive starter for us. Just stinks that college football works like this.

It destroys the sports and creates the reason why most Saturdays we watch blowouts.

Oklahoma is as blue blood as it gets.. and he decomitted there
Kid is waiting on LSU and who could blame him..
I don’t think he was planning on signing Wednesday anyway, so let’s see how it plays out..
Let’s just get thru Wednesday with no hiccups and then focus on filing the class up in Feb...

[msstate7]

Oklahoma is as blue blood as it gets.. and he decomitted there
Kid is waiting on LSU and who could blame him..
I don’t think he was planning on signing Wednesday anyway, so let’s see how it plays out..
Let’s just get thru Wednesday with no hiccups and then focus on filing the class up in Feb...

What's your best guess on Forbes Wednesday?

[timotheus]

I'm told that E Forbes is solid.

[msstate7]

I'm told that E Forbes is solid.

Huge. I've saw this kid play, and I like him a lot

[ZedFedder]

Saw where Gene said we are looking at this kid. It was VIP so I couldn’t read it, but might be worth a flyer on if we need an insurance QB. Intriguing prospect to me.

https://247sports.com/Player/Alijah-Martin-46053070/

https://www.hudl.com/profile/5432520/Alijah-Martin

[Ari Gold]

What's your best guess on Forbes Wednesday?

Unless he backs out of signing Wednesday it will be the good guys

[Cooterpoot]

Saw where Gene said we are looking at this kid. It was VIP so I couldn’t read it, but might be worth a flyer on if we need an insurance QB. Intriguing prospect to me.

https://247sports.com/Player/Alijah-Martin-46053070/

https://www.hudl.com/profile/5432520/Alijah-Martin

Athlete not a QB.

[msstate7]

Unless he backs out of signing Wednesday it will be the good guys

Thanks

[HailStateSZN19]

Are we pursuing any grad transfer WR’s? I know Zuber didn’t pan out how we hoped but think it hurt him not coming in until what like July. It’s hard to see anyone outside of Malik being a for sure guy that will play a lot out of the WR’s in this class & we don’t bring back anyone that scares anybody. So have we been looking at any grad transfer options at WR?

[HancockCountyDog]

Unless he backs out of signing Wednesday it will be the good guys

I don?t usually have solid recruiting info, but I?ve heard nothing but good things on Forbes for the past month, I think he signs Wednesday.

[Irondawg]

Athlete not a QB.

Is the 4.81 40 time right on his profile?

[Cooterpoot]

Is the 4.81 40 time right on his profile?

I don’t think so. He’s a two sport kid. I think he’s a backup plan.

[chef dixon]

Forbes announced this afternoon he is signing Wednesday at 9AM

[KOdawg1]

Forbes announced this afternoon he is signing Wednesday at 9AM

Yancy has been feeding the sheep that Forbes is a grade risk so that means he's 100% signing with us

[Uncle Ruckus]

Is the 4.81 40 time right on his profile? may be about right, but I don’t know where he’d play. He’s fast, but not real quick and explosive. He’s a really good athlete for a qb, and a hell of a runner, but raw as it gets throwing the ball. Relf-esque

[KOdawg1]

Honestly, if we sign most of our guys Wednesday without any major surprises going against us, I'll consider it a win.

Last year, I think we signed around 13 in the early signing period, so we still had roughly half our class to hold on to until February. Knocking most of them out early just allows you to focus on on a couple of targets (like Cooper and an OL or 2).

I think this class is well-rounded and addresses most of our needs, except at OLB, but Joe has until February to get that fixed.

[ShotgunDawg]

The 85 scholarship rule allows the blue bloods to eat so much of the available talent that it makes it almost impossible for a mid-tier team to build a complete, balanced roster with capable players

[Westdawg]

Saw where Gene said we are looking at this kid. It was VIP so I couldn’t read it, but might be worth a flyer on if we need an insurance QB. Intriguing prospect to me.

https://247sports.com/Player/Alijah-Martin-46053070/

https://www.hudl.com/profile/5432520/Alijah-Martin

If that's a backup plan, I'll take it.

[Todd4State]

Honestly, if we sign most of our guys Wednesday without any major surprises going against us, I'll consider it a win.

Last year, I think we signed around 13 in the early signing period, so we still had roughly half our class to hold on to until February. Knocking most of them out early just allows you to focus on on a couple of targets (like Cooper and an OL or 2).

I think this class is well-rounded and addresses most of our needs, except at OLB, but Joe has until February to get that fixed.

Exactly. Losing Hill at OL and needing to find some LB's are the biggest things we need to work on right now.

[Todd4State]

The 85 scholarship rule allows the blue bloods to eat so much of the available talent that it makes it almost impossible for a mid-tier team to build a complete, balanced roster with capable players

We have to be smarter with our roster management than we were under Dan. We can't just keep recruiting a class with one OL that qualifies while letting guys like Saahdiq Charles go unchecked basically, completely whiff on the WR position, somehow end up with freshmen only DT's, and etc.

No- we'll never have Alabama type depth but we're different. We need our juniors and seniors to be SEC caliber while our freshmen and sophomores basically need to be guys that we are developing unless we get a rare Jeffrey Simmons type of player. We can't expect to compete in the SEC with several freshmen expected to start and play significant snaps unless they are the exception as noted.

[MetEdDawg]

Dolcine officially off the board now. Switched his commit to FAU.

So that puts us at 21 commits with Patterson I would assume not being one we take a commitment from. So 20 spots filled as of right now it seems.

Hopefully Wednesday locks almost all of this part of our class up.

[ShotgunDawg]

We have to be smarter with our roster management than we were under Dan. We can't just keep recruiting a class with one OL that qualifies while letting guys like Saahdiq Charles go unchecked basically, completely whiff on the WR position, somehow end up with freshmen only DT's, and etc.

No- we'll never have Alabama type depth but we're different. We need our juniors and seniors to be SEC caliber while our freshmen and sophomores basically need to be guys that we are developing unless we get a rare Jeffrey Simmons type of player. We can't expect to compete in the SEC with several freshmen expected to start and play significant snaps unless they are the exception as noted.

That sounds great in theory but the talent level in HS football isn't deep enough for most all of the mid tier teams to field a complete, competent roster.

Sure, we'd love a balanced roster but when faced with the option of taking a bad OL prospect vs taking an athletic safety prospect that MAY have a chance, you take the safety.

My point remains. You can have the smartest recruiting people in the world, but when they can create more adequate prospects to recruit.

[Cooterpoot]

We have to be smarter with our roster management than we were under Dan. We can't just keep recruiting a class with one OL that qualifies while letting guys like Saahdiq Charles go unchecked basically, completely whiff on the WR position, somehow end up with freshmen only DT's, and etc.

No- we'll never have Alabama type depth but we're different. We need our juniors and seniors to be SEC caliber while our freshmen and sophomores basically need to be guys that we are developing unless we get a rare Jeffrey Simmons type of player. We can't expect to compete in the SEC with several freshmen expected to start and play significant snaps unless they are the exception as noted.

Charles was always going to LSU and Moorhead screwed up our RB and LB recruiting last/this year. WR is basically more of the same. We?ll be getting a new coach next year and starting over again.

[Ari Gold]

Charles was always going to LSU and Moorhead screwed up our RB and LB recruiting last/this year. WR is basically more of the same. We?ll be getting a new coach next year and starting over again.

Charles was going to LSU as long as Hevesy was at state.
I wouldn’t say CJM screwed up RB recruiting last year . We went fishing for a Big one and we ended up with Witherspoon who might turn out to be a really good player. The screw up with RB was the previous 2 years with Dan and crew
With LB we have some young guys just have to see how they develop. And getting Wheat this year bridges that gap for those guys esp If Willie returns

[Ari Gold]

Charles was always going to LSU and Moorhead screwed up our RB and LB recruiting last/this year. WR is basically more of the same. We?ll be getting a new coach next year and starting over again.

Charles was going to LSU as long as Hevesy was at state.
I wouldn?t say CJM screwed up RB recruiting last year . We went fishing for a Big one and we ended up with Witherspoon who might turn out to be a really good player. The screw up with RB was the previous 2 years with Dan and crew
With LB we have some young guys just have to see how they develop. And getting Wheat this year bridges that gap for those guys esp If Willie returns

[HailStateSZN19]

Are Caleb Ducking, Tulu Griffin, or Jaden Walley expected to contribute much next season? We need another impact WR to go with Heath. What we bring back from this year ain't gonna cut it. We need to be shopping the grad transfer market hard for a WR if we aren't already....

[Todd4State]

Are Caleb Ducking, Tulu Griffin, or Jaden Walley expected to contribute much next season? We need another impact WR to go with Heath. What we bring back from this year ain't gonna cut it. We need to be shopping the grad transfer market hard for a WR if we aren't already....

I think Tulu will because he is a slot guy and I think he might return kicks as well. The other two- maybe. Ducking could surprise some people. Walley looked good in the ASG practices so I wouldn’t rule him out.

[Todd4State]

Sounds like Dylan Spencer might be moving up our board. OL from Madison Central that is committed to USM but is signing in February now. Per Paul Jones.

[HancockCountyDog]

Quietest day before signing day that I can remember since I followed recruiting in the late 90s.

Can anyone remember a quieter one?

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Bottom line for us is that we are a developmental program. Until we start signing a 5 star every other year and ten 4 stars every year, which most likely won't ever happen unless things change, we need to be redshirting just about every freshman and utilizing them as 5th year seniors instead of true freshmen.

We need to be smarter with our true freshmen in not wasting a year as I explain below, but also letting them get their feet wet with the new 4 game rule. We aren't utilizing that aspect of it as well. We have true freshmen not getting in ANY games at all. I know it's hard to get them all in, but if they didn't get in ANY games this year with what all we had going on, you know JoMo isn't going to get them in when we have a full roster eligible.

Case in point on wasting a year, Lee Witherspoon. He lost his redshirt by playing in 5 games. His fifth game?....Abilene Christian where he had 1 carry. So instead of possibly having him a full season as a 5th year senior, we lost that by having him carry the ball 1 time against Abilene Christian. To me, that is unforgivable and just plain stupid.

Let's see how he progresses and take a look after what will now be his senior year and think to ourselves that this could have been his junior year and we'd have another year of his services. We've done this with other players in the past as well.

[Bdawg]

Quietest day before signing day that I can remember since I followed recruiting in the late 90s.

Can anyone remember a quieter one?

Eerily quiet!! First year I recall with no talk of flips and shenanigans. Like I said, eerie.

[msstate7]

Bottom line for us is that we are a developmental program. Until we start signing a 5 star every other year and ten 4 stars every year, which most likely won't ever happen unless things change, we need to be redshirting just about every freshman and utilizing them as 5th year seniors instead of true freshmen.

We need to be smarter with our true freshmen in not wasting a year as I explain below, but also letting them get their feet wet with the new 4 game rule. We aren't utilizing that aspect of it as well. We have true freshmen not getting in ANY games at all. I know it's hard to get them all in, but if they didn't get in ANY games this year with what all we had going on, you know JoMo isn't going to get them in when we have a full roster eligible.

Case in point on wasting a year, Lee Witherspoon. He lost his redshirt by playing in 5 games. His fifth game?....Abilene Christian where he had 1 carry. So instead of possibly having him a full season as a 5th year senior, we lost that by having him carry the ball 1 time against Abilene Christian. To me, that is unforgivable and just plain stupid.

Let's see how he progresses and take a look after what will now be his senior year and think to ourselves that this could have been his junior year and we'd have another year of his services. We've done this with other players in the past as well.

^^^like

[HoopsDawg]

Case in point on wasting a year, Lee Witherspoon. He lost his redshirt by playing in 5 games. His fifth game?....Abilene Christian where he had 1 carry. So instead of possibly having him a full season as a 5th year senior, we lost that by having him carry the ball 1 time against Abilene Christian. To me, that is unforgivable and just plain stupid.



That's criminal. Gross negligence.

[Lord McBuckethead]

That's criminal. Gross negligence.

Yep. That is downright stupid. 1 carry for a guy that could be a 12-15 per game kid as a senior. We just costed that kid 175 carries in his career with 1 carry.
Good management there. We could have put KT in the game for that snap.

[BrunswickDawg]

Bottom line for us is that we are a developmental program. Until we start signing a 5 star every other year and ten 4 stars every year, which most likely won't ever happen unless things change, we need to be redshirting just about every freshman and utilizing them as 5th year seniors instead of true freshmen.

We need to be smarter with our true freshmen in not wasting a year as I explain below, but also letting them get their feet wet with the new 4 game rule. We aren't utilizing that aspect of it as well. We have true freshmen not getting in ANY games at all. I know it's hard to get them all in, but if they didn't get in ANY games this year with what all we had going on, you know JoMo isn't going to get them in when we have a full roster eligible.

Case in point on wasting a year, Lee Witherspoon. He lost his redshirt by playing in 5 games. His fifth game?....Abilene Christian where he had 1 carry. So instead of possibly having him a full season as a 5th year senior, we lost that by having him carry the ball 1 time against Abilene Christian. To me, that is unforgivable and just plain stupid.

Let's see how he progresses and take a look after what will now be his senior year and think to ourselves that this could have been his junior year and we'd have another year of his services. We've done this with other players in the past as well.


That's criminal. Gross negligence.

Except that it isn't true. Witherspoon played in 10 games - some of it on Special Teams. He had 5 games where he had carries (USM, KS, AU, Ak, ABC), 2 games with a reception (LSU, Bama), and 1 game with kick return (A&M).
While I agree that it would have been best to RS him, this was one of the impacts of the Tutor 10. We had to sacrifice a couple of RS this season in areas where it hurts.

[Ari Gold]

Except that it isn't true. Witherspoon played in 10 games - some of it on Special Teams. He had 5 games where he had carries.
While I agree that it would have been best to RS him, this was one of the impacts of the Tutor 10. We had to sacrifice a couple of RS this season in areas where it hurts.

Agree.. it is a shame we didn’t get to redshirt him or give him more carries.. same was done with Collin Duncan. Basically played every game but took very few snaps at his position DB But played in almost if not all games on special teams..
it’s the nature of the beast when guys are suspended / hurt / bad previous recruiting at certain positions/ ect..

But I agree the roster could have Possible been managed better to maybe save those guys redshirts..

[BrunswickDawg]

Agree.. it is a shame we didn’t get to redshirt him or give him more carries.. same was done with Collin Duncan. Basically played every game but took very few snaps at his position DB But played in almost if not all games on special teams..
it’s the nature of the beast when guys are suspended / hurt / bad previous recruiting at certain positions/ ect..

But I agree the roster could have Possible been managed better to maybe save those guys redshirts..

Totally agree.

[vv83]

Except that it isn't true. Witherspoon played in 10 games - some of it on Special Teams. He had 5 games where he had carries (USM, KS, AU, Ak, ABC), 2 games with a reception (LSU, Bama), and 1 game with kick return (A&M).
While I agree that it would have been best to RS him, this was one of the impacts of the Tutor 10. We had to sacrifice a couple of RS this season in areas where it hurts.

With how bad we were on ST it really stings that's essentially why we wasted his RS. Could've thrown me out there with the same results

[Cooterpoot]

I have no problem with Witherspoon playing.

[Ari Gold]

I have no problem with Witherspoon playing.

Agree.. he should have gotten more carries IMO

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Y'all obviously dug a little deeper on Witherspoon than i did. I withdraw what I said regarding him. My point stands on the rest as far as taking advantage of the 4 game rule and overall management of the freshmen. Thanks for pointing out my error. That makes me feel a little better...but not much.

[HoopsDawg]

Y'all obviously dug a little deeper on Witherspoon than i did. I withdraw what I said regarding him. My point stands on the rest as far as taking advantage of the 4 game rule and overall management of the freshmen. Thanks for pointing out my error. That makes me feel a little better...but not much.

Try not to post inaccurate info. Your point is still valid but it's not as bad as I originally thought.

[timotheus]

Yep. That is downright stupid. 1 carry for a guy that could be a 12-15 per game kid as a senior. We just costed that kid 175 carries in his career with 1 carry.
Good management there. We could have put KT in the game for that snap.

I see now that he played special teams.

[msbulldog]

Slo Mo or any coach we have should have a GA or a staff analyst to monitor and report to the HC the games played and the RS status of all our guys who are eligible. The coach and staff should have a plan to maximize the advantage to the player and the team. I'm not a coach, but that just makes sense.

[MetEdDawg]

Slo Mo or any coach we have should have a GA or a staff analyst to monitor and report to the HC the games played and the RS status of all our guys who are eligible. The coach and staff should have a plan to maximize the advantage to the player and the team. I'm not a coach, but that just makes sense.

Yeah we do that every week. Moorhead mentioned it specifically in multiple interviews during the course of the season. Talked about green guys, yellow guys, and red guys.

[bulldawg28]

I expect Malik to flip. I hope I'm wrong

[Rick Danko]

I expect Malik to flip. I hope I'm wrong

Given our recent success with JUCO receivers, if it happens I?m not going to spill any tears. I want him in this class but it is what it is if not.

[HailStateSZN19]

I expect Malik to flip. I hope I'm wrong

Where you getting that from? And is it to SC or Florida?... that’d be a huge loss. We’re needing him to come in and help immediately. We’re screwed at WR next season if he doesn’t even sign with us in the first place. We’d already be leaning on him to be a stud next season. Have you heard something?

[bulldawg28]

Where you getting that from? And I’m assuming it’d be to Florida if that happens... that’d be a huge loss. We’re needing him to come in and help immediately. We’re screwed at WR next season if he doesn’t even sign with us in the first place. We’d already be leaning on him to be a stud next season. Have you heard something?

I haven't heard anything. He's come across my timeline on Twitter and his tweets from family are good luck and do what's best for you. That's uncertainty to me. Florida is a real threat with a legitimate passing offense established. We're still sputtering.

[jacksondawg]

I expect Malik to flip. I hope I'm wrong

I talked to one of his teammates at CoLin about a month ago who is pretty close with Malik and he said he was going to Florida. Who knows though guess we will find out tomorrow

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Try not to post inaccurate info. Your point is still valid but it's not as bad as I originally thought.

I'll try to keep that in mind.

[HoopsDawg]

I expect Malik to flip. I hope I'm wrong

I don't think anyone could blame him.

[chef dixon]

I talked to one of his teammates at CoLin about a month ago who is pretty close with Malik and he said he was going to Florida. Who knows though guess we will find out tomorrow

Would be kind of comical in a 10 year recruitment, Ravian Pierce kind of way.

[Cooterpoot]

I talked to one of his teammates at CoLin about a month ago who is pretty close with Malik and he said he was going to Florida. Who knows though guess we will find out tomorrow

He’s not going to FL.

[Todd4State]

Agree.. he should have gotten more carries IMO

Also agree. He's going to be a good back for us.

[vv83]

I haven't heard anything. He's come across my timeline on Twitter and his tweets from family are good luck and do what's best for you. That's uncertainty to me. Florida is a real threat with a legitimate passing offense established. We're still sputtering.

Following recruits twitters leading up to signing trying to get a read is impossible. That being said I looked as well and saw him RT an MSU signing day tweet and tag Boobie in another. I wouldn’t look too much into it

[Todd4State]

Following recruits twitters leading up to signing trying to get a read is impossible. That being said I looked as well and saw him RT an MSU signing day tweet and tag Boobie in another. I wouldn’t look too much into it

Fans in general shouldn't read too much into any recruit or player's tweets.