NCAA Baseball Transfer Portal

[TNDawg35]

I'll be surprised if this gets worked out. Kid is getting hit from too many sides.

You mean gets worked out for us or he works his ass somewhere else?

[Homedawg]

You mean gets worked out for us or he works his ass somewhere else?

For us.....

[ZedFedder]

https://twitter.com/robbiefaulk247/status/1671273473610489858

There he goes

[BeardoMSU]

https://twitter.com/robbiefaulk247/status/1671273473610489858

There he goes

****ing hell...

[BigDawg81]

****ing hell...Probably should have seen this coming. His attitude stunk towards the end of the season.

[TNDawg35]

He can’t “officially” talk to other teams until he is in the portal. Still could work out but if I was coach, as soon as you entered, you wouldn’t have a spot anymore. I think Dabo does that in football.

[ZedFedder]

It stinks because the dude is mega-talented, but in the world in which we find ourselves, some dudes are just going to do this.

[CJDAWG85]

He and Alford are best friends. May just be testing the waters. Could follow him to UGA.

[Quaoarsking]

Good thing we held on to Lemonis so that our good players wouldn't transfer!

[Cooterpoot]

Lemonis has turned this program into dog shit in two years. But at least Big E can still drive his ass around.
If Lemonis can't sign big portal guys, his ass is over. Our administration & baseball cigar boys 17d up too.
We do less with more under Lemonis.

[Coach34]

Alford was never returning. Jordan is Alford's buddy. Alford's Daddy throwing some cash to get him in the portal and possibly a package deal to Georgia

[TNDawg35]

Alford was never returning. Jordan is Alford's buddy. Alford's Daddy throwing some cash to get him in the portal and possibly a package deal to Georgia

Then Alfords Daddy is a bitch just like he is…

[sandjunky]

As ruthless as the schools can be with scholarships and such - this kinda cool to see

Sucks for us but whatever

[confucius say]

I just meant I agreed we had to let alford go. Even if that means collateral damage

Still stand by this. Had to be done. Even with the collateral damage.

[AlSwearengen]

Who the hell is Alford’s daddy?

[Homedawg]

Still stand by this. Had to be done. Even with the collateral damage.

And as bad as I didn't want to lose Jordan, we had to let him walk too. They knew that number wasn't getting touched by anyone.

[Ranchdawg]

Alford leaving is really not that big of loss. But DJ leaving is huge! He had so much upside. This NIL and portal crap totally sucks. I just believe that schools like ours that don?t have daddy warbucks lined up to pay we will going forward lose more and more games because our inability to retain rising stars regardless of whom the coach is.

It?s really really sad that a college sport that I truly love and devote a lot of time and expense is being ruined. The NCAA has totally screwed this up. I?m pretty much fed up with this crap. I?ll be in Starkville a lot this fall not to support the football team but rather to support my granddaughter that will be a cheerleader.

[Pinto]

Just so everyone is clear, this had nothing to do with NIL. It was all a player, player daddy, and travel team coach being mad their player was shown the door.

Them going scorched earth and doing this is further proof that we made the right move, and I don?t like Lemon.

[Cowbell]

We won't miss him. When this type of situation happens in football, it has almost always been a neutral at worst case for us. Dakota ain't the kind of player we need right now if this is his attitude and those he surrounds himself with.

[sandjunky]

Ok so we?ve heard about travel ball coach

Made me wonder from EDs perspective - what are the good TB programs and which ones are viewed as be cautious with

[Cowbell]

Big hitting outfielder for Arizona just entered the portal

[SPMT]

Alford leaving is really not that big of loss. But DJ leaving is huge! He had so much upside. This NIL and portal crap totally sucks. I just believe that schools like ours that don?t have daddy warbucks lined up to pay we will going forward lose more and more games because our inability to retain rising stars regardless of whom the coach is.

It?s really really sad that a college sport that I truly love and devote a lot of time and expense is being ruined. The NCAA has totally screwed this up. I?m pretty much fed up with this crap. I?ll be in Starkville a lot this fall not to support the football team but rather to support my granddaughter that will be a cheerleader.

Alford leaving is ZERO loss. His attitude was obviously horrible. It was crystal clear the majority of the season. He has no fight or at least if he does we couldn?t bring it out in him.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Bye. Idk how we will replace them and keep our chemistry together*

[confucius say]

Alford leaving is really not that big of loss. But DJ leaving is huge! He had so much upside. This NIL and portal crap totally sucks. I just believe that schools like ours that don?t have daddy warbucks lined up to pay we will going forward lose more and more games because our inability to retain rising stars regardless of whom the coach is.

It?s really really sad that a college sport that I truly love and devote a lot of time and expense is being ruined. The NCAA has totally screwed this up. I?m pretty much fed up with this crap. I?ll be in Starkville a lot this fall not to support the football team but rather to support my granddaughter that will be a cheerleader.

It's okay brother. This ain't about daddy warbucks money. He will likely get less at uga or wherever he lands then we would have paid him.

[CaptainObvious]

The Tim Dulins of the world are only concerned about themselves. Having organization players get booted or asked to leave looks bad on their program of getting players in front of colleges and MLB Scouts.

[Coach34]

The Tim Dulins of the world are only concerned about themselves. Having organization players get booted or asked to leave looks bad on their program of getting players in front of colleges and MLB Scouts.

This

[AlSwearengen]

I remember when Dulin was in bed with olemiss big time. Then Bianco cut one of his former players and he was actively sending them away from olemiss.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Ok so we?ve heard about travel ball coach

Made me wonder from EDs perspective - what are the good TB programs and which ones are viewed as be cautious with
Easley and East Coast Sox are two pro MSU organizations. I think we have had over 50 players over the years from East Coast Sox on our roster. Eric Dubose is the VP of East Coast Sox.
Easley baseball is of course named after Ed Easley and is one of the up and coming organizations.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

I remember when Dulin was in bed with olemiss big time. Then Bianco cut one of his former players and he was actively sending them away from olemiss.
The former player was Dulins son. He wasnt a SEC quality player and Bianco wasnt playing him. Daddy Dulin got his Dulins Dodger Blue panties in a wad and started sending some players MSUs way.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Good thing we held on to Lemonis so that our good players wouldn't transfer!

I don't blame Lemons for this. Vandy loses players to the portal too. When you recruit stars with no ties to MSU, this can happen. Part of the modern portal.

If his price is as high as people saying. It was ridiculous. You could go get 5 or 7 RJ Yeagers and would be hammering people all the way to Omaha.

Jac Caglianone is the best player in college baseball next year, a legit two way Super Player with numbers to back it up. Malcom Moore of Stanford now that's a star freshman. DJ has meh numbers and has a stooge personality. No loss here.

[Quaoarsking]

I don't blame Lemons for this. Vandy loses players to the portal too. When you recruit stars with no ties to MSU, this can happen. Part of the modern portal.

If his price is as high as people saying. It was ridiculous. You could go get 5 or 7 RJ Yeagers and would be hammering people all the way to Omaha.

Jac Caglianone is the best player in college baseball next year, a legit two way Super Player with numbers to back it up. Malcom Moore of Stanford now that's a star freshman. DJ has meh numbers and has a stooge personality. No loss here.

It may be true that this was going to happen no matter who our coach was. My point is that one of the primary justifications for keeping Lemonis (when most of the fanbase wanted to fire him) is that if we didn't, our best players would transfer away. Here's an example of that happening anyway.

[The Federalist Engineer]

It may be true that this was going to happen no matter who our coach was. My point is that one of the primary justifications for keeping Lemonis (when most of the fanbase wanted to fire him) is that if we didn't, our best players would transfer away. Here's an example of that happening anyway.

Seems that Lemonis needs to ask DJ to watch Godfather II and understand the Fredo Corleone character.

Don't let a rich old dude use you for leverage to help his Fredo. This is almost the same as the Fredo Grisham situation 30 years ago. "Take my sorry son or I give my money to UVA." In this case MSU only loses one player who apparently relies on old conjurers and handlers to sway his life decisions.

I hope Lemonis goes hardcore on these chiselers. The team passes this moral test, we get the program back on track.

[TNDawg35]

It may be true that this was going to happen no matter who our coach was. My point is that one of the primary justifications for keeping Lemonis (when most of the fanbase wanted to fire him) is that if we didn't, our best players would transfer away. Here's an example of that happening anyway.

The kid was paid to enter the portal. Plain and simple. This has absolutely nothing to do with who our coach is or who our coach isn’t. Some of y’all are dead set on making everything a culture or Lemonis problem. From everything I gather and people I have talked to, he is asking 7 figures to stay at State. Alfords daddy got his feelings hurt cause Lemonis told him Alford to move on, which EVERYONE here agrees needed to happen, so him and the Dulins guy decided to talk DJ into entering the portal and telling us a CRAZY amount to stay to try and bend us over. Like I said, from what I gather, Lemonis is still working to keep the kid, but we aren’t dropping anywhere close to 7 figures on a kid for 1 more year of service nor should we.

If I remember correctly, Skenes and Tommy White didn’t get halft that between the 2 of them.

[Lord McBuckethead]

7 figures for a guy that wasn?t that good. Hell half the year he couldn?t touch a curveball on Tuesday night.

[Coach34]

I think Foreskin was part of the group with Alford and another reason why they are pissed

[BigDawg81]

The kid was paid to enter the portal. Plain and simple. This has absolutely nothing to do with who our coach is or who our coach isn’t. Some of y’all are dead set on making everything a culture or Lemonis problem. From everything I gather and people I have talked to, he is asking 7 figures to stay at State. Alfords daddy got his feelings hurt cause Lemonis told him Alford to move on, which EVERYONE here agrees needed to happen, so him and the Dulins guy decided to talk DJ into entering the portal and telling us a CRAZY amount to stay to try and bend us over. Like I said, from what I gather, Lemonis is still working to keep the kid, but we aren’t dropping anywhere close to 7 figures on a kid for 1 more year of service nor should we.

If I remember correctly, Skenes and Tommy White didn’t get halft that between the 2 of them. This is a leverage move. Nobody is going to give Dakota that type of money. State is going to offer him a NIL deal and it?s going to be a take it or leave it deal. Georgia isn?t going to pay what he wants. Is Alford dad and his travel ball coach going to pay him what State has offered him? Somebody might match State?s offer but it?s not going to be Georgia.

[Saltydog]

The kid was paid to enter the portal. Plain and simple. This has absolutely nothing to do with who our coach is or who our coach isn?t. Some of y?all are dead set on making everything a culture or Lemonis problem. From everything I gather and people I have talked to, he is asking 7 figures to stay at State. Alfords daddy got his feelings hurt cause Lemonis told him Alford to move on, which EVERYONE here agrees needed to happen, so him and the Dulins guy decided to talk DJ into entering the portal and telling us a CRAZY amount to stay to try and bend us over. Like I said, from what I gather, Lemonis is still working to keep the kid, but we aren?t dropping anywhere close to 7 figures on a kid for 1 more year of service nor should we.

If I remember correctly, Skenes and Tommy White didn?t get halft that between the 2 of them.

Anyone know what kinda cash Big Daddy Alford paid him? Surely it can't be close to what he would've got had he stayed.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I think Foreskin was part of the group with Alford and another reason why they are pissed

At some point we have to blame Lemonis for the culture he's created

1 bad apple whos roomates with and influences a 2nd guy? OK, that happens. But you start getting into 3 players who formed their own entitled friend group and it becomes the coach allowing "the inmates to run the asylum" so to speak.

At that point it's large enough to see, and if it's large enough to see it should have been snuffed out

[basedog]

Bad attitudes kill team chemistry. Also there were a few times lack of hustle came into play with a few players. You can't have this in team sports and be successful very long. The true fact is out coaching staff didn't handle those two areas along with a few other issues this past year. Lemonis is very lucky he has a job at Msu. Maybe he can learn from all this but maybe not, but no doubt he lost this past years team.

[MetEdDawg]

At some point we have to blame Lemonis for the culture he's created

1 bad apple whos roomates with and influences a 2nd guy? OK, that happens. But you start getting into 3 players who formed their own entitled friend group and it becomes the coach allowing "the inmates to run the asylum" so to speak.

At that point it's large enough to see, and if it's large enough to see it should have been snuffed out

Can you explain what Lemonis should have done to prevent this? Forcibly keep them apart? Not bench Forsythe? Let Alford do whatever he wants?

What legitimate things should Lemonis have done to prevent this if in fact it's all true?

[tcdog70]

Bad attitudes kill team chemistry. Also there were a few times lack of hustle came into play with a few players. You can't have this in team sports and be successful very long. The true fact is out coaching staff didn't handle those two areas along with a few other issues this past year. Lemonis is very lucky he has a job at Msu. Maybe he can learn from all this but maybe not, but no doubt he lost this past years team.

Why is it some folks can't understand this. Once the water is fouled --you must pout it out and re-fill the cup. We are just wasting time keeping Lemonis.

[confucius say]

At some point we have to blame Lemonis for the culture he's created

1 bad apple whos roomates with and influences a 2nd guy? OK, that happens. But you start getting into 3 players who formed their own entitled friend group and it becomes the coach allowing "the inmates to run the asylum" so to speak.

At that point it's large enough to see, and if it's large enough to see it should have been snuffed out

It was. That's why slate was told to leave. He's going to be a .270 hitter and double digit HR next year. He wanted to stay. His parents had a condo at GJ. They wanted to stay. He was told to leave. That's why his dad is so pissed and trying to stick it to us with this DJ stuff.

Everybody knew telling slate to leave risked DJ leaving. We did it anyway to try and fix the culture.

Let it play out.

[BeardoMSU]

https://twitter.com/ScoutSteveR/status/1671519744107659267?t=5GDcggzV0uBXRnxIRzpEpg&s=19

[Tater]

Andddddd a lot of guys on here gonna eat more crow. I am absolutely loving the stupidity.

[confucius say]

It was. That's why slate was told to leave. He's going to be a .270 hitter and double digit HR next year. He wanted to stay. His parents had a condo at GJ. They wanted to stay. He was told to leave. That's why his dad is so pissed and trying to stick it to us with this DJ stuff.

Everybody knew telling slate to leave risked DJ leaving. We did it anyway to try and fix the culture.

Let it play out.

That's why you let it play out.

[mparkerfd20]

Is this really a good thing or is there going to be a cancer growing all season long? Who knows? Guess we'll have to find out.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Andddddd a lot of guys on here gonna eat more crow. I am absolutely loving the stupidity.

The mods should delete it. Then pump E5's imposter stuff on the UGA commitment that is just a tryout.

I don't think Minime will want Bill Buckner in his infield.

[Quaoarsking]

It may be true that this was going to happen no matter who our coach was. My point is that one of the primary justifications for keeping Lemonis (when most of the fanbase wanted to fire him) is that if we didn't, our best players would transfer away. Here's an example of that happening anyway.

Or not. Props to Lemonis.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Is this really a good thing or is there going to be a cancer growing all season long? Who knows? Guess we'll have to find out.
I think the Cancer may be walking on at Georgia

[CaptainObvious]

I don?t think Alford was a cancer. I think words were exchanged a few times in the dugout and in the locker room among a few players. Then some of the players upset about losing so much drew a line, the E5 & E6 & PB2 drew a line, and Wild Thangs 1-8 drew their lines, and the guys who worked hard but had no leadership qualities drew their line. And the anointed Captain was devoid of the leadership qualities. And the coaches were devoid of an actual coaching abilities. And here we are.

[Coach34]

I don?t think Alford was a cancer. I think words were exchanged a few times in the dugout and in the locker room among a few players. Then some of the players upset about losing so much drew a line, the E5 & E6 & PB2 drew a line, and Wild Thangs 1-8 drew their lines, and the guys who worked hard but had no leadership qualities drew their line. And the anointed Captain was devoid of the leadership qualities. And the coaches were devoid of an actual coaching abilities. And here we are.

well, we know that Hines got Alford's attention midseason. He didnt draw any line

[Saltydog]

well, we know that Hines got Alford's attention midseason. He didnt draw any line

The squabble started earlier than that. It started in Frisco and escalated later. Hunter was the alpha dog and Alford the bitch.

[CaptainObvious]

Well I do believe Alford has a ton of potential. Go back to when we signed him and then again last year when all our message boards were penciling him in as a starter and probably the 3rd baseman. He was definitely highly thought of coming in. I really think some lines were drawn after the 22 season. Then when the team was allowed to lolligag all fall even after flunking out in 22, they looked bad again to start 23 and it snowballed and they never became a <team>.

More like a bunch of misfits pieced together by a clueless coaching staff who only had to write a lineup card in 21.

[SPMT]

Well I do believe Alford has a ton of potential. Go back to when we signed him and then again last year when all our message boards were penciling him in as a starter and probably the 3rd baseman. He was definitely highly thought of coming in. I really think some lines were drawn after the 22 season. Then when the team was allowed to lolligag all fall even after flunking out in 22, they looked bad again to start 23 and it snowballed and they never became a <team>.

More like a bunch of misfits pieced together by a clueless coaching staff who only had to write a lineup card in 21.

He probably does have tons of potential. He looks the part. But that attitude was awful and apparent any time he was on tv.

Not to mention he played like crap hitting and fielding.

[CaptainObvious]

And there was a time not only coaches would wait for potential to become talent and the players would work hard in the off season to make that happen. And the majors were patient for that to develop over 3 years in their minor league programs. Colleges can?t afford to PAY someone for potential where as the Pros could.

[SPMT]

And there was a time not only coaches would wait for potential to become talent and the players would work hard in the off season to make that happen. And the majors were patient for that to develop over 3 years in their minor league programs. Colleges can?t afford to PAY someone for potential where as the Pros could.

Very sad those days are over. It?s hard to mentally navigate. I haven?t figured out how this will play out yet.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Enough about E5, this a Portal thread, not about Cut Players

Payton Tolle is the Orelude Candidate of 2023. LHP and 1B but used as DH

https://opendorsepr.blob.core.windows.net/media/441914/20220901010832_938043bb-5f0e-4db7-ab32-4603cd74e609.jpg

300 hitter with 15 HR also Saturday starter, with 5:1 K to BB ratio.

Big kid 6-6 250

Stats:

https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sidearm.nextgen.sites/wichita.sidearmsports.com/documents/2023/5/25/2023_Final_Season_Stats.pdf

[preachermatt83]

Word is we will feel really well about what we are gonna do sighing the next 10 days in the portal. Idk who but there are some people expecting a big transfer coming in this weekend.

[ScoobaDawg]

Word is we will feel really well about what we are gonna do sighing the next 10 days in the portal. Idk who but there are some people expecting a big transfer coming in this weekend.

Well look who is back... Welcome.

[preachermatt83]

Well look who is back... Welcome.

I’ve been lurking. Just haven’t posted in a while. Lost my pw. Thanks for getting me back up and going.

[BigDawg81]

Word is we will feel really well about what we are gonna do sighing the next 10 days in the portal. Idk who but there are some people expecting a big transfer coming in this weekend. I hear that some transfers are on campus today. I don?t have any names.

[BigDawg81]

A big one here
https://twitter.com/KendallRogers/status/1671965841221361667

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I’ve been lurking. Just haven’t posted in a while. Lost my pw. Thanks for getting me back up and going.

And a 2nd poster gets resurrected from the dead! Welcome back!

[KOdawg1]

A big one here
https://twitter.com/KendallRogers/status/1671965841221361667
Gotta get him

[TheLostDawg]

So much for Alabama competing in baseball. They have the money but seems they'd rather spend it on basketball and football

[The Federalist Engineer]

Bama Ace

Luke Holman, kid from PA, maybe Bednar should call him up to help Lemons

https://dxbhsrqyrr690.cloudfront.net/sidearm.nextgen.sites/rolltide.com/images/2022/4/28/042322_MBA_Georgia_CV1591.jpg

[The Federalist Engineer]

Billy Amick - Clemson - 1b/DH

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTTCIeOO54-pR_Nq3H3FuynWhIzbE0_ERo_swplSuqJhA&usqp=CAU&ec=48665698

All American hitter

Stats: https://data.clemsontigers.com/pdf/baseball/2022-23/Stats.pdf

[Leroy Jenkins]

well, we know that Hines got Alford's attention midseason.

Dohm did too, allegedly.

[AlSwearengen]

What’s up with Clemson? I think the also lost a stud 3B.

[Bulldog from Birth]

What?s up with Clemson? I think the also lost a stud 3B.

The same thing that's up with NC State, and most of the rest of the ACC. Not dedicating significant NIL dollars to baseball. The SEC is raiding their rosters for the best talent for larger NIL guarantees.

[KOdawg1]

State's MO regarding NIL to this point has been to use it mostly to retain the players we already have. Which if you break it down by sport, it seems to be the smarter investment.

However, it's do or die time for Lemonis, and we've got to land some big transfers if we're gonna turn this around next year. Not necessarily a bunch of them, but a few high impact guys, and those players will cost money. It'll be interesting to see if we open up the pocket book these next few weeks.

Gotta have a couple of starters, a legit 3B, and if Braden Montgomery hits the portal, you do everything in your power to get him. Let's get to it.

[Cowbell]

State's MO regarding NIL to this point has been to use it mostly to retain the players we already have. Which if you break it down by sport, it seems to be the smarter investment.

However, it's do or die time for Lemonis, and we've got to land some big transfers if we're gonna turn this around next year. Not necessarily a bunch of them, but a few high impact guys, and those players will cost money. It'll be interesting to see if we open up the pocket book these next few weeks.

Gotta have a couple of starters, a legit 3B, and if Braden Montgomery hits the portal, you do everything in your power to get him. Let's get to it.

Times is changing around here.... what you are asking for is supposedly already happening...

[Todd4State]

State's MO regarding NIL to this point has been to use it mostly to retain the players we already have. Which if you break it down by sport, it seems to be the smarter investment.

However, it's do or die time for Lemonis, and we've got to land some big transfers if we're gonna turn this around next year. Not necessarily a bunch of them, but a few high impact guys, and those players will cost money. It'll be interesting to see if we open up the pocket book these next few weeks.

Gotta have a couple of starters, a legit 3B, and if Braden Montgomery hits the portal, you do everything in your power to get him. Let's get to it.

I'm sure we will open up the pocket book. But it's not just portal guys- that's simply one piece of the puzzle.

Even LSU- they have Crews, Morgan, and Travenski that they recruited out of high school. And I'm not sure that there will be a Paul Skenes every year.

I think what it comes down to for us is how much Parker can improve our pitching staff. And sure- we do need impact guys out of the portal. We've actually had pretty good success with the portal- Ledbetter, Larry, Dohm, Yeager, Dubrule, Simmons, etc.

Really we need to use the portal to fill holes- mostly third base and corner OF IMO plus whatever pitchers we can get. NIL can also help us retain guys like maybe we keep Aaron Nixon that we would have lost in the past. I think a guy like Holman might give us peace of mind as fans more than anything but at the same time we have some really good talent that wasn't developed that I think will be a lot better next year.

The issue for us more or less with NIL is I think we were behind and then Charlie has gotten us mostly caught up to the point where per rumor we have a really good war chest for baseball.

[BigDawg81]

State's MO regarding NIL to this point has been to use it mostly to retain the players we already have. Which if you break it down by sport, it seems to be the smarter investment.

However, it's do or die time for Lemonis, and we've got to land some big transfers if we're gonna turn this around next year. Not necessarily a bunch of them, but a few high impact guys, and those players will cost money. It'll be interesting to see if we open up the pocket book these next few weeks.

Gotta have a couple of starters, a legit 3B, and if Braden Montgomery hits the portal, you do everything in your power to get him. Let's get to it.
Charlie said this himself. They are going to spend NIL on players that are already here.

[maroonmania]

State's MO regarding NIL to this point has been to use it mostly to retain the players we already have. Which if you break it down by sport, it seems to be the smarter investment.

However, it's do or die time for Lemonis, and we've got to land some big transfers if we're gonna turn this around next year. Not necessarily a bunch of them, but a few high impact guys, and those players will cost money. It'll be interesting to see if we open up the pocket book these next few weeks.

Gotta have a couple of starters, a legit 3B, and if Braden Montgomery hits the portal, you do everything in your power to get him. Let's get to it.

And really we have to focus the NIL money available primarily on any proven pitchers in the portal. Without improved pitching it really doesn't matter if we marginally improve our offense.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Cannon Peebles

Freshman All American C from NC State. 350 Hitter with 12 HRs and 50 RBI

But he wants to be a C, not something else.

[BigDawg81]

Looks like Chase Burns will enter the portal. How much what cost us to get him?

[AlSwearengen]

Looks like Chase Burns will enter the portal. How much what cost us to get him?

I saw someplace else that it’s LSU. I’m just shaking my head at this point.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

And really we have to focus the NIL money available primarily on any proven pitchers in the portal. Without improved pitching it really doesn't matter if we marginally improve our offense.

Todd is implying we need to develop the guys we have vs bring in new arms.

Personally, I think Parker could improve every returning pitcher by a mile and they still wouldn't be SEC starters. Thats how far of a hill we have to climb.

I do agree with TOdd that we need a 3B and a OF. Cant have 2 dead bats at 2 of your 4 "slugger" positions. I agree with you we need a legit SEC starter or 2 from the Portal but we can't let 2/9 ABs go to waste either

The Bama 3B that hit 25 HRs went to UF. Literally a guy enters right beside us and we let a team that's still paying 4 states away out recruit us. Or out spend us, not sure which. We need to get 2 Portal bats like Todd said and 10+ innings of SEC pitching like you said

I mean lets do the math on it, how many innings of SEC pitching did we have this year in a weekend? Cade gave us 5. Nixon 3 at most. dohm 3 a most. Gartman maybe 4 when healthy but he'd be roughed up that whole time. Hunt could give 2. Loo, Holcombe, Siary, Hardin etc could give you an inning or 2 every 3rd appearance, they were not reliable for any amount of time.

That's 17 innings of pitching in a 27 inning weekend, with me being charitable. We loose Cades' 5 and Hunts 2. Oh year, Gartman's 4 is gone too right? So we return 6 innings of SEC proven pitching for next year lol.

SOme here will say the 21 missing innings will come from improvements to our young guys + injured pitchers returning. I say you have to plan on 5+ innings of arms to go down with injuries (ie you need to start the year with 32+ innings of good arms) and that Parker isn't a miracle worker. He can help them all, he can get 1 to make a big breakthrough, but he can't get 4-5 to have a breakthrough like we need. No coach can. There's a reason pitchers are supposed to get better each year, because the coaching builds. You can't cram 3 full years and seasons of coaching into 1 off season and expect the pitchers to reach their ceiling.

We need 10 innings of pitching from transfers imo. Really we need more than that, I"m being aggressive with assumptions about our guys making jumps to talk myself down to just 10 innings

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

BTW, rumor is Chase Burns will enter the portal to go to LSU.

He must just want to be coached by Wes***

[TNDawg35]

Todd is implying we need to develop the guys we have vs bring in new arms.

Personally, I think Parker could improve every returning pitcher by a mile and they still wouldn't be SEC starters. Thats how far of a hill we have to climb.

I do agree with TOdd that we need a 3B and a OF. Cant have 2 dead bats at 2 of your 4 "slugger" positions. I agree with you we need a legit SEC starter or 2 from the Portal but we can't let 2/9 ABs go to waste either

The Bama 3B that hit 25 HRs went to UF. Literally a guy enters right beside us and we let a team that's still paying 4 states away out recruit us. Or out spend us, not sure which. We need to get 2 Portal bats like Todd said and 10+ innings of SEC pitching like you said

I mean lets do the math on it, how many innings of SEC pitching did we have this year in a weekend? Cade gave us 5. Nixon 3 at most. dohm 3 a most. Gartman maybe 4 when healthy but he'd be roughed up that whole time. Hunt could give 2. Loo, Holcombe, Siary, Hardin etc could give you an inning or 2 every 3rd appearance, they were not reliable for any amount of time.

That's 17 innings of pitching in a 27 inning weekend, with me being charitable. We loose Cades' 5 and Hunts 2. Oh year, Gartman's 4 is gone too right? So we return 6 innings of SEC proven pitching for next year lol.

SOme here will say the 21 missing innings will come from improvements to our young guys + injured pitchers returning. I say you have to plan on 5+ innings of arms to go down with injuries (ie you need to start the year with 32+ innings of good arms) and that Parker isn't a miracle worker. He can help them all, he can get 1 to make a big breakthrough, but he can't get 4-5 to have a breakthrough like we need. No coach can. There's a reason pitchers are supposed to get better each year, because the coaching builds. You can't cram 3 full years and seasons of coaching into 1 off season and expect the pitchers to reach their ceiling.

We need 10 innings of pitching from transfers imo. Really we need more than that, I"m being aggressive with assumptions about our guys making jumps to talk myself down to just 10 innings

Rumor is we had someone commit that will become public info next wk. I haven’t heard names, just talk. I know we had several on campus over the wk…

[Cowbell]

Charlie said this himself. They are going to spend NIL on players that are already here.

Charlie will spend the money where the donors and coaches tell him to...

[TNDawg35]

Charlie will spend the money where the donors and coaches tell him to...

Well we need to drop as much as it takes and pull Burns… He is a Friday night guy that could jump start us big time…

[Homedawg]

Well we need to drop as much as it takes and pull Burns… He is a Friday night guy that could jump start us big time…

We aren't getting burns.

[Coach34]

My guess is Burns goes to Fla or LSU

LSU is back to getting whatever they want again with Johnson as coach

[The Federalist Engineer]

BTW, rumor is Chase Burns will enter the portal to go to LSU.

He must just want to be coached by Wes***

Maybe, if goes to UGA. That would be wild

[bulldogcountry1]

My guess is Burns goes to Fla or LSU

LSU is back to getting whatever they want again with Johnson as coach

Meanwhile, I check the message board every day looking for some good news from the transfer portal, and?..nothing.

[AlSwearengen]

Does anyone know the reason/s for Burns leaving Tenn? Money? Doesn’t like his role? Coach/s?

He was going on and on about being a Vol last year.

[confucius say]

We aren't getting burns.

You heard something specific or just guessing? I agree it's hard to fathom.

[confucius say]

Meanwhile, I check the message board every day looking for some good news from the transfer portal, and?..nothing.

Patience

[Skydawg1]

Does anyone know the reason/s for Burns leaving Tenn? Money? Doesn’t like his role? Coach/s?

He was going on and on about being a Vol last year.He want's to be a Friday night starter.

[maroonmania]

He want's to be a Friday night starter.

Guess he wants to be a Friday night starter on a team with a chance to win a championship while getting a big payday with NIL. If it was just about being a Friday night starter there is nobody in the SEC with a more wide open spot on Friday night than MSU.

[basedog]

Guess he wants to be a Friday night starter on a team with a chance to win a championship while getting a big payday with NIL. If it was just about being a Friday night starter there is nobody in the SEC with a more wide open spot on Friday night than MSU.

Teams like LSU, Vandy, Tn and Arkansas have a little advantage, they are more consistent than us right now. We are going into 2024 with a big question mark.

[confucius say]

Teams like LSU, Vandy, Tn and Arkansas have a little advantage, they are more consistent than us right now. We are going into 2024 with a big question mark.

Not if we land burns and the AL kid. We go in as a favorite to win the league.

[confucius say]

Guess he wants to be a Friday night starter on a team with a chance to win a championship while getting a big payday with NIL. If it was just about being a Friday night starter there is nobody in the SEC with a more wide open spot on Friday night than MSU.

Let's let it play out. Never know

[basedog]

Not if we land burns and the AL kid. We go in as a favorite to win the league.

True but getting both is very questionable. We've lost some Mo lately and that is my concern going forward. Players like consistently with winning.

[confucius say]

True but getting both is very questionable. We've lost some Mo lately and that is my concern going forward. Players like consistently with inning.

Agree.

[maroonmania]

True but getting both is very questionable. We've lost some Mo lately and that is my concern going forward. Players like consistently with winning.

True, we are a big risk right now to a lot of these players after what has happened he past 2 seasons. Even when teams like LSU or Arkansas or Vandy have not been at their best they have just slipped to the middle of the league, not to the very bottom like we have the past 2 seasons. Going to take a really good sales job to convince some of these high end players that we can jump back up to the top half of the league over the next year or two.

[basedog]

True, we are a big risk right now to a lot of these players after what has happened he past 2 seasons. Even when teams like LSU or Arkansas or Vandy have not been at their best they have just slipped to the middle of the league, not to the very bottom like we have the past 2 seasons. Going to take a really good sales job to convince some of these high end players that we can jump back up to the top half of the league over the next year or two.

Yep. Pretty sad situation being near the bottom. Shouldn't be.

[The Federalist Engineer]

He want's to be a Friday night starter.

It's Guaranteed he would be the MSU Friday guy in 2024.

But, when you suck, you have to manage your expectations

[Saltydog]

True, we are a big risk right now to a lot of these players after what has happened he past 2 seasons. Even when teams like LSU or Arkansas or Vandy have not been at their best they have just slipped to the middle of the league, not to the very bottom like we have the past 2 seasons. Going to take a really good sales job to convince some of these high end players that we can jump back up to the top half of the league over the next year or two.

Either that or a hell'uva lot of NIL money that we don't have. . . . .

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Aaaaaaaand Cade Woods from Bama goes to LSU.

Odd that these players are so happy to go to LSU when they've never had more than phone call with the coach, and have never stepped foot on campus.

I don't remember that name, but he's NOT the Friday night Ace discussed earlier in the thread right?

[TNDawg35]

Billy Butler an outfielder for Rhode Island just hit the portal. Hit .348 with 13 bombs last year and was all conference as an OF. Would be a great pic up to round out the OF…

I’m starting to wonder what the hell we are doing tho. We have got to find a 3B, another OF, and Atleast some pitching…

[Todd4State]

Billy Butler an outfielder for Rhode Island just hit the portal. Hit .348 with 13 bombs last year and was all conference as an OF. Would be a great pic up to round out the OF…

I’m starting to wonder what the hell we are doing tho. We have got to find a 3B, another OF, and Atleast some pitching…

I bet we get some commits next week.

If I remember right this is sort of how it played out last year too. We were wondering why we hadn't had anyone commit and then we got several.

[Saltydog]

Billy Butler an outfielder for Rhode Island just hit the portal. Hit .348 with 13 bombs last year and was all conference as an OF. Would be a great pic up to round out the OF?

I?m starting to wonder what the hell we are doing tho. We have got to find a 3B, another OF, and Atleast some pitching?

I think we're trying to land the big boys and we're not having any luck so we're just shitting in one hand wishing in the other. Lemonis knows his job is on the line and he's grasping for straws.

[SPMT]

I bet we get some commits next week.

If I remember right this is sort of how it played out last year too. We were wondering why we hadn't had anyone commit and then we got several.


Hope so. Not impressed with last years draw though.

[ZedFedder]

Kade Woods is originally from Louisiana, and he had a 5.52 ERA this year. It wouldn?t surprise me if he is walking on. And no, he is not the Friday guy. That?s Luke Holman.

[sandjunky]

Aaaaaaaand Cade Woods from Bama goes to LSU.

Odd that these players are so happy to go to LSU when they've never had more than phone call with the coach, and have never stepped foot on campus.

I don't remember that name, but he's NOT the Friday night Ace discussed earlier in the thread right?

And no pitching coach in place

[BigDawg81]

Lets see if we get any portal news tomorrow

[99jc]

Tennessee junior pitcher Hollis Fanning has entered the NCAA transfer portal.

[KOdawg1]

This staff isn't letting anything out.

We apparently have guys committed already, but we might not hear about it until they enroll.

Which to me is stupid. We need momentum in the worst way, and people are getting antsy. Why not get some positive PR?

[BuckyIsAB****]

This staff isn't letting anything out.

We apparently have guys committed already, but we might not hear about it until they enroll.

Which to me is stupid. We need momentum in the worst way, and people are getting antsy. Why not get some positive PR?

If it was a big name, you would know

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

This staff isn't letting anything out.

We apparently have guys committed already, but we might not hear about it until they enroll.

Which to me is stupid. We need momentum in the worst way, and people are getting antsy. Why not get some positive PR?

What even would be the reason to NOT announce it? In Football that can hapen so the coaches can have them all go public near each other and build momentum to get an undecided in the boat. OM does it for the lulz on us on signing day.

But baseball? Why would you want it to look like nobody wants to play for us until the window to recruit the portal has closed? We're actively doing the opposite of every other coaching staff in every other sport. Seriously we either say Jay Johnson, Sully, Corbin, Schloss, etc don't know what they're doing, OR we say Lemo doesn't, because they're taking opposite approaches on this

[KOdawg1]

If it was a big name, you would know

Even if it isn't a big name, why not just announce it?

[Coach34]

The kid announces the commitment- not the school

[BuckyIsAB****]

Even if it isn't a big name, why not just announce it?

I mean I personally believe we havent gotten anyone but I could be wrong

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

The kid announces the commitment- not the school

So... the kids transferring to every other school announce it, but ours don't?

What, are they ashamed to play for us? Are we consistently finding the 1 in 100 player that wants to keep it quiet?

Edit: just saw buckys comment. I agree with him- the most likely situation is that we have no commits

[Saltydog]

This staff isn't letting anything out.

We apparently have guys committed already, but we might not hear about it until they enroll.

Which to me is stupid. We need momentum in the worst way, and people are getting antsy. Why not get some positive PR?

Oh so it's the ole "secret" recruits. So in other words we got nothing worth talking about.

[TheLostDawg]

What even would be the reason to NOT announce it? In Football that can hapen so the coaches can have them all go public near each other and build momentum to get an undecided in the boat. OM does it for the lulz on us on signing day.

But baseball? Why would you want it to look like nobody wants to play for us until the window to recruit the portal has closed? We're actively doing the opposite of every other coaching staff in every other sport. Seriously we either say Jay Johnson, Sully, Corbin, Schloss, etc don't know what they're doing, OR we say Lemo doesn't, because they're taking opposite approaches on this

Yeah seems like we're in a sinking boat. You look at LSU. Bought and paid for a title. US , well we keep a lame duck coach who is suppose to be a recruiter but can't get any top portal transfer.

Seems like we're going to suck three years in a row and it's going to be three more years of poor play because at needed to keep Lemonis to keep the class together but they are going to leave and yall always say baseball recruiting is done years in advance. I hope that I'm wrong but it looks like it's about to be drought getting to Omaha for a while.

[Homedawg]

I'm not sure what all the bitching does. Either we have a good team or lemonis is fired. Just wait and see what the team is before jumping. Might be premature suicide. Js.

[KOdawg1]

The kid announces the commitment- not the school
Yes but who do you think is telling the kids not to announce? If that's what's happening

[KOdawg1]

I mean I personally believe we havent gotten anyone but I could be wrong
Well that's even more alarming.

[Cooterpoot]

We've got commits. One to talk about. Others not so much. I'm over Lemons. We'll be looking for a new coach.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Oh so it's the ole "secret" recruits. So in other words we got nothing worth talking about.

Beware the "Arizona Western College" kids from Yuma. Those were 3 horsemen of the Sherrill apocalypse.

To be fair

Ole Miss, Texas A&M have some ok transfers and some sad transfers. Arkansas, UF, and LSU have the bigger players. Probably this heats up after the CWS and draft.

Kids don't want to transfer into an unknown competitive situation, so maybe Parker's long courting period does no harm.

Seems that Burns is the game changer transfer this year. The Bama ace is the next best. Both recently added to the portal.

[Activated Alpha]

I'm not sure what all the bitching does. Either we have a good team or lemonis is fired. Just wait and see what the team is before jumping. Might be premature suicide. Js.

So basically we are committing seppuku as a program?

[Homedawg]

Well that's even more alarming.

He literally has NO idea

[Cowbell]

I'm not sure what all the bitching does. Either we have a good team or lemonis is fired. Just wait and see what the team is before jumping. Might be premature suicide. Js.
Well KB and others did a lot of this prior to June about football and apparently It worked, so *****

[Homedawg]

We've got commits. One to talk about. Others not so much. I'm over Lemons. We'll be looking for a new coach.

We might be. Again.... if we aren't good he's gone. It's on him and the staff. We have some young talent. And two guys in the middle of the order others would die for. So theres a start. Now Parker needs to coach up the big time arms we have. If he can't. We in for misery. If he can, maybe not. You're close to shotgun being bipolar- not quite as bad but close- let's just wait and see how it turns out.

[Homedawg]

Well KB and others did a lot of this prior to June about football and apparently It worked, so *****

Rep given!!!������

[Homedawg]

Well KB and others did a lot of this prior to June about football and apparently It worked, so *****

And he left..... I really wish he'd come back and eat crow. But he won't...... until we have a bad offesnsive game and tells me how we should have thrown it 98% of the time. ...

[Cooterpoot]

We might be. Again.... if we aren't good he's gone. It's on him and the staff. We have some young talent. And two guys in the middle of the order others would die for. So theres a start. Now Parker needs to coach up the big time arms we have. If he can't. We in for misery. If he can, maybe not. You're close to shotgun being bipolar- not quite as bad but close- let's just wait and see how it turns out.

Nah, I've been consistent on baseball. Lemons should've been gone. I think we have no proven pitching in our rotation for now, and three proven offensive guys. We need a legit 3B, two OF, probably 4 pitchers, a couple depth pieces. At least one FR probably plays a lot. It's a lot to overcome. We all know two names that would be a huge help.

[WSOPdawg]

Nah, I've been consistent on baseball. Lemons should've been gone. I think we have no proven pitching in our rotation for now, and three proven offensive guys. We need a legit 3B, two OF, probably 4 pitchers, a couple depth pieces. At least one FR probably plays a lot. It's a lot to overcome. We all know two names that would be a huge help.

Right now, I think we have very few players that could start for other SEC teams -- DJ, Hines, Jurangelo, Aaron Nixon and Cade Smith (if they come back).

Now Hujsak and Siary are apparently tearing it up in summer ball so they may make a jump, but then again Slate Alford also tore it up last year in summer ball. But it just seems we have so few real pieces and need more help than we care to admit imo.

[BuckyIsAB****]

He literally has NO idea

I didnt claim to. All I said was in my personal opinion we dont currently have anyone. Could be wrong.

I have a pretty good idea that our baseball program does not inspire a lot of confidence

[Coach34]

Right now, I think we have very few players that could start for other SEC teams -- DJ, Hines, Jurangelo, Aaron Nixon and Cade Smith (if they come back).
.

Why do some people mention Cade Smith returning? Literally no chance of that. He's a top 5 round pick

Mershon would start for teams all over the SEC
Highfill is going to be pretty good. Certainly will be better receiving in the Spring. He had to play before he was ready. 9 HR as a true freshman is pretty damn good

[The Federalist Engineer]

In Summer Ball - looks like Hines, Hujsak (OF), and DJ are summer superstars

E5 only has one error but hitting 220

Siary has a 1.01 era but 8 unearned runs to balance out the 2 earned runs, curious

Gibbs and Logan Forsythe are 2:1 K to Inning ratios but high on walks. Parker's projects to fix.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I'm not sure what all the bitching does. Either we have a good team or lemonis is fired. Just wait and see what the team is before jumping. Might be premature suicide. Js.

Sir, this is a message board. There is no real world impact to any discussion we have here, be it about the future or something that just happened. We're just voicing our opinions, listening to others opinions, and changing our own of someone else makes a good argument. We're here for our own entertainment.

I find it ironic when someone on a message board would imply we shouldn't discuss our thoughts just because it doesn't affect anything.

[Cooterpoot]

HomeDawg is right. We need to just shut up for now about Lemonis. I'm getting blown up about it. So, I'll withhold my opinions right now and see where it goes.
I think Arnett killing it on the recruiting trail right now has us all ready to see similar in baseball and it's a different situation.

[Cowbell]

Why do some people mention Cade Smith returning? Literally no chance of that. He's a top 5 round pick

Mershon would start for teams all over the SEC
Highfill is going to be pretty good. Certainly will be better receiving in the Spring. He had to play before he was ready. 9 HR as a true freshman is pretty damn good

I don't get our own fans overlooking highfill. Kid is only going to get better

[maroonmania]

In Summer Ball - looks like Hines, Hujsak (OF), and DJ are summer superstars

E5 only has one error but hitting 220

Siary has a 1.01 era but 8 unearned runs to balance out the 2 earned runs, curious

Gibbs and Logan Forsythe are 2:1 K to Inning ratios but high on walks. Parker's projects to fix.

Rarely does Summer ball production translate to actual college production. Most of the guys there are working on specific parts of their game and game results and stats aren't a real concern. Fall ball stats are a better indicator than Summer stats and even they aren't reliable.

[State82]

I don't get our own fans overlooking highfill. Kid is only going to get better

Yeah, he was thrust into a difficult situation. A freshman at catcher is as difficult as it gets in baseball. Kinda like a freshman on the OL. It just doesn't go well at times.

[Cooterpoot]

I don't get our own fans overlooking highfill. Kid is only going to get better

He also hit below .200 in SEC play and we knew his bat was behind his athleticism. Can he raise his SEC average 75 points and hit more bombs next season is the question. He's a great athlete. Defense will be better.

[Cowbell]

HomeDawg is right. We need to just shut up for now about Lemonis. I'm getting blown up about it. So, I'll withhold my opinions right now and see where it goes.
I think Arnett killing it on the recruiting trail right now has us all ready to see similar in baseball and it's a different situation.

I tell you one thing it has me ready for and that's football season. Man is selling tickets without saying a word!

[Cowbell]

Yeah, he was thrust into a difficult situation. A freshman at catcher is as difficult as it gets in baseball. Kinda like a freshman on the OL. It just doesn't go well at times.

And I never thought he was bad. We have been spoiled by the talent at catcher up to now

[The Federalist Engineer]

Rarely does Summer ball production translate to actual college production. Most of the guys there are working on specific parts of their game and game results and stats aren't a real concern. Fall ball stats are a better indicator than Summer stats and even they aren't reliable.

Depends on the League. Generally, the Cape Cod stars stay stars. We had guys tear-up things in Florida Summer Leagues and do very little in Starkville. Matt Corder was the MVP at the Carolina league in 2021. There are defintely heirachies in summer ball.

That said, I can't recall the last 200 hitter in summer ball that became good in Starkville.

[BeardoMSU]

https://twitter.com/skrajisnik3/status/1673724512267825153?s=20

[AlSwearengen]

Forsythe to Ok St. is a little surprising.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Forsythe to Ok St. is a little surprising.

Meh. He played good defense for 2/3 years here, and his offense got better each year. He'll probably hit .280 vs Big12 pitching, if his defense returns to form the offense is acceptable. If he's still an error machine I bet he'll get benched

[confucius say]

Why do some people mention Cade Smith returning? Literally no chance of that. He's a top 5 round pick

Mershon would start for teams all over the SEC
Highfill is going to be pretty good. Certainly will be better receiving in the Spring. He had to play before he was ready. 9 HR as a true freshman is pretty damn good

And that was with not playing a lot of games

[KOdawg1]

Meh. He played good defense for 2/3 years here, and his offense got better each year. He'll probably hit .280 vs Big12 pitching, if his defense returns to form the offense is acceptable. If he's still an error machine I bet he'll get benched

He really only played good defense 1 out of 3 years here. And his best season came when he got benched and had fewer opportunities.

The notion that Lane is a good fielder is false and I think it gets put out there because he can't hit either. Not calling you out specifically

[ZedFedder]

Sheesh still no transfer news. Unfortunate.

[Saltydog]

Sheesh still no transfer news. Unfortunate.

They're there. They're just "Double Secret" recruits. . . . . .

[Cooterpoot]

https://i.postimg.cc/rpkHzsh1/IMG-4859.jpg

[Cowbell]

https://i.postimg.cc/rpkHzsh1/IMG-4859.jpg

My cell phone will not allow me to rep this or I would

The irony in this on looking back at our weekend pitching lineups....

[BeardoMSU]

https://twitter.com/grahamyntema/status/1673878285514678278?s=20

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Well at least we're making room for TBD and our other transfer, TBD. I wonder how they're going to do the name on the jerseys?

[Saltydog]

https://i.postimg.cc/rpkHzsh1/IMG-4859.jpg

WINNER RIGHT HERE!!!! Rep Given......

[Tater]

HomeDawg is right. We need to just shut up for now about Lemonis. I'm getting blown up about it. So, I'll withhold my opinions right now and see where it goes.
I think Arnett killing it on the recruiting trail right now has us all ready to see similar in baseball and it's a different situation.

Nah the official season has been over for two whole days and we haven't already got 628269 recruits and won 7838)&@47$8 games yet. Fire everyone and get a real recruiter in, Andy Cannizzaro. No more of this Championship winning crap coach.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Nah the official season has been over for two whole days and we haven't already got 628269 recruits and won 7838)&@47$8 games yet. Fire everyone and get a real recruiter in, Andy Cannizzaro. No more of this Championship winning crap coach.

Are... are you saying Lemonis is a good coach? And are you aware teams other than us have been getting Transfers even as they play in Omaha? We have had 3 weeks to get Transfers, not "2 days".

[Pancho]

Tater gone Tater

[Tater]

Are... are you saying Lemonis is a good coach? And are you aware teams other than us have been getting Transfers even as they play in Omaha? We have had 3 weeks to get Transfers, not "2 days".

I'm saying I know what I'm hearing and seeing. And it lines up with what others in the know here are saying. And it's the same thing as football. Be patient. Let the process play out. We already have talent on the roster that can win a championship. And Lemonis was good enough to take us to a CWS appearance AND then a Championship, those 2 years have a little bit more weight than with the past two years. I'm willing to give Lemonis another year on a short leash. If we're 2-7 or worse to start SEC play though, I'm willing to cut bait. But pitching was the main problem this year. We keep the core of the lineup in tact then it's on that to be just mediocre and we're hosting. We were astronomically bad there this year. Again mediocre pitching and we're hosting. And we've brought in a new pitching coach because we saw there was time for a change.

So yea, Lemonis is the best coach for State in any sport in State history. I'll stack his natty up against anything you got..

[Tater]

Tater gone Tater

Just know that I'm going to drag my nuts all over these threads if we pull a big fish. And then again if we host. And then again if we go to the super. And then again if we go to the CWS. And then again if we win.

[Goldendawg]

I'm saying I know what I'm hearing and seeing. And it lines up with what others in the know here are saying. And it's the same thing as football. Be patient. Let the process play out. We already have talent on the roster that can win a championship. And Lemonis was good enough to take us to a CWS appearance AND then a Championship, those 2 years have a little bit more weight than with the past two years. I'm willing to give Lemonis another year on a short leash. If we're 2-7 or worse to start SEC play though, I'm willing to cut bait. But pitching was the main problem this year. We keep the core of the lineup in tact then it's on that to be just mediocre and we're hosting. We were astronomically bad there this year. Again mediocre pitching and we're hosting. And we've brought in a new pitching coach because we saw there was time for a change.

So yea, Lemonis is the best coach for State in any sport in State history. I'll stack his natty up against anything you got..

We have had much more than just a pitching problem the last two years. This year will tell the tell on Coach Lemonis. Best coach in any sport in State history, a stretch in my opinion.

[Tater]

We have had much more than just a pitching problem the last two years. This year will tell the tell on Coach Lemonis. Best coach in any sport in State history, a stretch in my opinion.

I got a Natty sitting at the table. What's anyone else bringing?

And I don't disagree that there was more behind the scenes. However, losing is contagious and we uprooted a huge cancerous root. Is there more? Time will tell. I drunkenly fired him earlier this year too, believe me I get it. But the right decision is another year with a new pitching coach. If it doesn't work, cut bait.

[Cooterpoot]

Nah the official season has been over for two whole days and we haven't already got 628269 recruits and won 7838)&@47$8 games yet. Fire everyone and get a real recruiter in, Andy Cannizzaro. No more of this Championship winning crap coach.

LOL

[Cooterpoot]

I got a Natty sitting at the table. What's anyone else bringing?

And I don't disagree that there was more behind the scenes. However, losing is contagious and we uprooted a huge cancerous root. Is there more? Time will tell. I drunkenly fired him earlier this year too, believe me I get it. But the right decision is another year with a new pitching coach. If it doesn't work, cut bait.

And Lemons recruited very few of the players that won that Natty. He's also run off the better parts of two classes he recruited. He's struggled to develop players. He's signed a lot of kids that weren't good enough too. So, here we are.

[Tater]

And Lemons recruited very few of the players that won that Natty. He's also run off the better parts of two classes he recruited. He's struggled to develop players. He's signed a lot of kids that weren't good enough too. So, here we are.

Natty is a natty. He beat the dead injuns. I never thought I would see the day.

[Pancho]

who are the 2 top secret portal guys he's gotten?

[Cowbell]

Natty is a natty. He beat the dead injuns. I never thought I would see the day.

Mullen got us to #1 - why didn't we rehire him?

[Homedawg]

Nah the official season has been over for two whole days and we haven't already got 628269 recruits and won 7838)&@47$8 games yet. Fire everyone and get a real recruiter in, Andy Cannizzaro. No more of this Championship winning crap coach.

More of great Andy shit. He recruited the wonderful forsythe and left our middle inf in shambles. He's a myth. Period.

[Tater]

Mullen got us to #1 - why didn't we rehire him?

Getting to #1 =/= Being #1 at the end of the year.

One is a trophy and one is the answer to random bar trivia.

[Tater]

More of great Andy shit. He recruited the wonderful forsythe and left our middle inf in shambles. He's a myth. Period.

I want me a coach that can teach his players how to score on the field, off the field, in the dugout...

[Quaoarsking]

Mullen got us to #1 - why didn't we rehire him?

Because he didn't want the job?

[CaptainObvious]

Just know that I'm going to drag my nuts all over these threads if we pull a big fish. And then again if we host. And then again if we go to the super. And then again if we go to the CWS. And then again if we win.

Well, there has to be give and take in a promise like this. So are you willing to cut those same nuts off if you are wrong come next May? I mean back your big talk up!

[Cowbell]

Because he didn't want the job?

Don't believe he was ever considered

[TheLostDawg]

Getting to #1 =/= Being #1 at the end of the year.

One is a trophy and one is the answer to random bar trivia.

Also dead last, second to last the following year. Don't see any momentum in recruiting when other teams are landing big players, momentum. Last year I said fire fox but understood why he didn't. This year he waited too long to cut bait and that should have gotten Lemonis fired. I hope that I'm wrong. I was hoping getting a pitching coach would help us land big commits. Hasn't happened yet.

I'd put Vic ahead of Lemonis. Vic built that team and got to the final twice and was always competitive in a sport and place that doesn't recruit itself. Head to head I'll take Vic any day.

[TheLostDawg]

And Lemons recruited very few of the players that won that Natty. He's also run off the better parts of two classes he recruited. He's struggled to develop players. He's signed a lot of kids that weren't good enough too. So, here we are.

How I feel right now.

And yall said Fox is the reason why we didn't land people like Skeens last year. How do you not fire Fox if that's the case with the showing he had last year. Lemonis, if he's a good coach, should see he wasn't improving our pitching staff. I hate it but I think we just added another dead year in recruiting keeping Lemonis. Yall always say you recruit year ahead in baseball. Well we better hope for 3 good years of transfers when these classes come up.

[Coach34]

Also dead last, second to last the following year. Don't see any momentum in recruiting when other teams are landing big players, momentum. Last year I said fire fox but understood why he didn't. This year he waited too long to cut bait and that should have gotten Lemonis fired. I hope that I'm wrong. I was hoping getting a pitching coach would help us land big commits. Hasn't happened yet.

We’re not going to get any transfer that LSU or Fla wants no matter who our coach is

[The Federalist Engineer]

The bright side is that MSU is not Auburn picking up a bunch of marginal transfers.

Potentially the big players, like Burns could take 80% of someone's NIL dollars. MSU needs to bid Burns up. Make him start at 200k, knowing that LSU will want Burns dearly. But the imperative is to make Burns a pyrrhic prize.

Make Burn's NIL floor super high, then Let TAM and LSU spend huge money. The Machiavellian move would be for some noble MSU spy to "accidentally" tells Schlossnoddle's wife that "MSU is winning the SEC next year, We are spending all our money on a Jittery kid from Tennessee. People have sold their trailers, old pickups, and wife's prosthetic legs, to wrangle maybe $201K for this one player. Ole Miss has $245K but no relationship with the player."

If very good players may be had for 30K, then I rather get 7 non-Foxy pitchers, than one kid who looks super-high effort and potentially out-of-control. Imagine getting Burns for 300K and he does not pitch beyond March.

Before bidding, I would want to have Dr Andrews examine Burns for freshness.

[Tater]

Also dead last, second to last the following year. Don't see any momentum in recruiting when other teams are landing big players, momentum. Last year I said fire fox but understood why he didn't. This year he waited too long to cut bait and that should have gotten Lemonis fired. I hope that I'm wrong. I was hoping getting a pitching coach would help us land big commits. Hasn't happened yet.

I'd put Vic ahead of Lemonis. Vic built that team and got to the final twice and was always competitive in a sport and place that doesn't recruit itself. Head to head I'll take Vic any day.

Rings ernie.

[Tater]

Well, there has to be give and take in a promise like this. So are you willing to cut those same nuts off if you are wrong come next May? I mean back your big talk up!

I said I'd agree to cut bait on Lemo if we start off bad again in SEC play. But no one else is wanting to ante up. My point is I'm just preaching patience. People in this thread keep saying should have done X, should have done Y. Lemo fired Fox 1 weekend too late imo. Oh well. Hard not to chalk 22 up to injury luck with having the best pitcher in the nation go down. The way 21 ran and we had our best pitchers turn it up a notch late in the year... you held out hope.

Some of you talk like winning a national title is easy and should be expected. Ain't nobody else done it here. If it was so ******* easy then if woulda been done. Lemo beat the dead injuns. That alone has bought him this rope. He's on thin ice next year, but yelling about the 24' Baseball season in June 23' just ain't healthy.

Go outside. Lord knows I can't because of the damn maple-americans.

[Pancho]

them dam opinions again

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Nobody is saying it's "easy" to win a Natty. Nobody is discounting what he did. We're just pointing out that he won a Natty with other coaches players and culture (ie as a manager he's great) but as we've gotten more and more into his players, his culture we've fallen off a cliff (ie he can't build or maintain a program). Since we need a long term prpgram builder and not a short term manager, he should go.

But we're really just debating timeliness here. Me and most other State fans think 2 God awful seasons is enough time to make a judgment. You're saying it should be 2 God awful seasons + early into SEC play next year. I disagree with a lot of the logic you've stated that leads you to your view, but ultimately it's not that big of a disagreement... we agree he's failing, just not on how many chances he should get to prove otherwise

[TheLostDawg]

The bright side is that MSU is not Auburn picking up a bunch of marginal transfers.

Potentially the big players, like Burns could take 80% of someone's NIL dollars. MSU needs to bid Burns up. Make him start at 200k, knowing that LSU will want Burns dearly. But the imperative is to make Burns a pyrrhic prize.

Make Burn's NIL floor super high, then Let TAM and LSU spend huge money. The Machiavellian move would be for some noble MSU spy to "accidentally" tells Schlossnoddle's wife that "MSU is winning the SEC next year, We are spending all our money on a Jittery kid from Tennessee. People have sold their trailers, old pickups, and wife's prosthetic legs, to wrangle maybe $201K for this one player. Ole Miss has $245K but no relationship with the player."

If very good players may be had for 30K, then I rather get 7 non-Foxy pitchers, than one kid who looks super-high effort and potentially out-of-control. Imagine getting Burns for 300K and he does not pitch beyond March.

Before bidding, I would want to have Dr Andrews examine Burns for freshness.

Yes but with one top arm you have guaranteed win almost every Friday. That being said, as you bring up, he could also throw his arm out and all that money is wasted. On the other end you can get a hit line Skeens and he gets you to the CWS. If we do have a good staff then go get a top dawg and let the rest battle.

[Cooterpoot]

Let me say this. Just because I'm not happy with Lemonis doesn't mean he hasn't got commits lined up from the portal. I don't know what Homedog knows but I do know we've got things going with one good player. Homedog seems to think we've got a couple commits. We know 3B, OF, and pitching are a priority. There's still things working tgat could get us a gods portal. I think even a top 10 portal class. Just have to see.

[TheLostDawg]

Nobody is saying it's "easy" to win a Natty. Nobody is discounting what he did. We're just pointing out that he won a Natty with other coaches players and culture (ie as a manager he's great) but as we've gotten more and more into his players, his culture we've fallen off a cliff (ie he can't build or maintain a program). Since we need a long term prpgram builder and not a short term manager, he should go.

But we're really just debating timeliness here. Me and most other State fans think 2 God awful seasons is enough time to make a judgment. You're saying it should be 2 God awful seasons + early into SEC play next year. I disagree with a lot of the logic you've stated that leads you to your view, but ultimately it's not that big of a disagreement... we agree he's failing, just not on how many chances he should get to prove otherwise

This which is why I referenced Vic not only building his team, he did it in a sport that doesn't recruit ourself, have history, support and completely changed that

[TheLostDawg]

Let me say this. Just because I'm not happy with Lemonis doesn't mean he hasn't got commits lined up from the portal. I don't know what Homedog knows but I do know we've got things going with one good player. Homedog seems to think we've got a couple commits. We know 3B, OF, and pitching are a priority. There's still things working tgat could get us a gods portal. I think even a top 10 portal class. Just have to see.

If we don't get a top 10 portal class I will not only be severely disappointed and want him gone unless he gets us to a super regional

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Let me say this. Just because I'm not happy with Lemonis doesn't mean he hasn't got commits lined up from the portal. I don't know what Homedog knows but I do know we've got things going with one good player. Homedog seems to think we've got a couple commits. We know 3B, OF, and pitching are a priority. There's still things working tgat could get us a gods portal. I think even a top 10 portal class. Just have to see.

Frankly we need a top 3 portal class to hit our goals next year.

No 3B. Need a bat in the OF or it'll probably be Hujsak with his .227 average.

I've broken down the pitchers before, it's something like 10 SEC innings of pitching we return and that's being generous. We need 3 starting pitchers (and it's unreasonable to expect any of Loo/Loftin/Holcombe to make that big of a jump, let alone 2 or 3 of them). We need relievers. Realistically it's about 6 innings of SEC serviceable pitching and 6 innings of well above average SEC pitching we need from the Portal.

[Saltydog]

I'm saying I know what I'm hearing and seeing. And it lines up with what others in the know here are saying. And it's the same thing as football. Be patient. Let the process play out. We already have talent on the roster that can win a championship. And Lemonis was good enough to take us to a CWS appearance AND then a Championship, those 2 years have a little bit more weight than with the past two years. I'm willing to give Lemonis another year on a short leash. If we're 2-7 or worse to start SEC play though, I'm willing to cut bait. But pitching was the main problem this year. We keep the core of the lineup in tact then it's on that to be just mediocre and we're hosting. We were astronomically bad there this year. Again mediocre pitching and we're hosting. And we've brought in a new pitching coach because we saw there was time for a change.

So yea, Lemonis is the best coach for State in any sport in State history. I'll stack his natty up against anything you got..

Yeah and Gene Chizik is the best coach in Auburn history. . . . .

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

The bright side is that MSU is not Auburn picking up a bunch of marginal transfers.

Potentially the big players, like Burns could take 80% of someone's NIL dollars. MSU needs to bid Burns up. Make him start at 200k, knowing that LSU will want Burns dearly. But the imperative is to make Burns a pyrrhic prize.

Make Burn's NIL floor super high, then Let TAM and LSU spend huge money. The Machiavellian move would be for some noble MSU spy to "accidentally" tells Schlossnoddle's wife that "MSU is winning the SEC next year, We are spending all our money on a Jittery kid from Tennessee. People have sold their trailers, old pickups, and wife's prosthetic legs, to wrangle maybe $201K for this one player. Ole Miss has $245K but no relationship with the player."

If very good players may be had for 30K, then I rather get 7 non-Foxy pitchers, than one kid who looks super-high effort and potentially out-of-control. Imagine getting Burns for 300K and he does not pitch beyond March.

Before bidding, I would want to have Dr Andrews examine Burns for freshness.

This poker strategy only works if our opponents 1) fall for it, and 2) have limited money. Fact is a school Luke A&M just needs 1 big booster to decide he wants a Natty in baseball and then he's writing an extra $2M check a year earmarked for baseball NIL. Will that happen? Probably not. My point is that some programs have so many resources it's possible for them to "overpay" for some guys and still buy other great players too. You can't just assume that bidding Burns up to a level we shouldn't pay = it's at a level nobody else should pay either.

You can obly have 1 guy on the mound at a time. At a certain point of roster talent levels, it makes sense for LSU to spend $400k to buy 6 innings of 2.5 ERA pitching (Burns) instead of 300k to buy 12 innings of 6 ERA pitching (ie more the route we should take since we need so much help and to spread the NIL so we can also buy a couple position players)

[Cooterpoot]

If we don't get a top 10 portal class I will not only be severely disappointed and want him gone unless he gets us to a super regional

Hard to pull a great class when you're in his situation. So if he does, I'll give him credit. And that's a HUGE if. A lot has to happen for that to be the case. Just saying, it's possibly still out there. Possibly being the key word.

[Coach34]

Frankly we need a top 3 portal class to hit our goals next year.

No 3B. Need a bat in the OF or it'll probably be Hujsak with his .227 average.

I've broken down the pitchers before, it's something like 10 SEC innings of pitching we return and that's being generous. We need 3 starting pitchers (and it's unreasonable to expect any of Loo/Loftin/Holcombe to make that big of a jump, let alone 2 or 3 of them). We need relievers. Realistically it's about 6 innings of SEC serviceable pitching and 6 innings of well above average SEC pitching we need from the Portal.

Hahahahahaha

I’m gonna call it now that Hugesak is a starter and at least 2/3 of our starting SEC rotation is Loftin/Holcombe/Loo

[CaptainObvious]

I know this is a Portal discussion thread, but is there and chance Covid Senior and TJ recovering Stone Simmons returns for 24? And isn?t Auger supposed to be 100% in 24 following his TJ surgery in 22?

Those guys seemed to be pretty good at the start of 22 before their injuries started the team swoon.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Hahahahahaha

I’m gonna call it now that Hugesak is a starter and at least 2/3 of our starting SEC rotation is Loftin/Holcombe/Loo

Because we can't get a good transfers at OF or pitcher? Yes. I agree that seems to be the situation so far thus guys on the roster will technically be the starters.

But if you're saying Hujesak will hit .300, and the pitchers you name will have SEC ERAs under 4.5? I doubt it. Hope you're right, but this is why I say we need transfers. Hujsak has talent but hasn't put it together any season of college. The pitchers you mention have talent but we rarely see such huge jumps in 1 offseason. All 3 are basically true Fr as far as coaching goes since Fox was so useless.

Now one thing I will admit is that I have not assumed any Fr can contribute at a high SEC level outside of Cupp. There's usually a pitcher that can, and we may get lucky and have a stud OF/3B emerge. I don't follow baseball recruiting very close

[Coach34]

Any decent PC can get Loftin/Loo/Holcombe ready to get SEC hitters out. Too much talent there. Not to mention every other school has pitchers that contribute as Freshmen and then become weekend starters as Sophomores. Also good to see Siary and Forsythe having good summers on the mound

Hugesak is also having a good summer- hitting over .400 and showing his pop.

[Cooterpoot]

I know this is a Portal discussion thread, but is there and chance Covid Senior and TJ recovering Stone Simmons returns for 24? And isn?t Auger supposed to be 100% in 24 following his TJ surgery in 22?

Those guys seemed to be pretty good at the start of 22 before their injuries started the team swoon.

Last I heard, he's expected back.

[Cooterpoot]

Any decent PC can get Loftin/Loo/Holcombe ready to get SEC hitters out. Too much talent there. Not to mention every other school has pitchers that contribute as Freshmen and then become weekend starters as Sophomores. Also good to see Siary and Forsythe having good summers on the mound

Hugesak is also having a good summer- hitting over .400 and showing his pop.

2 of those 3 pitchers just need to work primarily on their mental approach. Not that can't improve their stuff as well, but their larger problem is their mental approach. HugeSack has always been able to hit. It's his defense that's got to be better. Especially his throwing. He's going to be in the lineup IMO. TBD where/how they use him.

[Johnson85]

Frankly we need a top 3 portal class to hit our goals next year.

No 3B. Need a bat in the OF or it'll probably be Hujsak with his .227 average.

I've broken down the pitchers before, it's something like 10 SEC innings of pitching we return and that's being generous. We need 3 starting pitchers (and it's unreasonable to expect any of Loo/Loftin/Holcombe to make that big of a jump, let alone 2 or 3 of them). We need relievers. Realistically it's about 6 innings of SEC serviceable pitching and 6 innings of well above average SEC pitching we need from the Portal.

I think you need to prepare yourself that we're not hitting whatever goals you have in mind. Realistically, we need to not suck next year. We need to be a 2 seed. Long term, the goal should be host every year, occasional down years balanced out by occasional national seed years. But we're not realistically going to get from where we are now to where we want to be in one year with the NIL money we have now.

[Cooterpoot]

We aren't going to have a better portal haul than LSU, FL, & probably TCU. If we hit on our guys, we'll be up there though. The wait and see makes more sense with what we're trying to do. Winning a bidding war with LSU is impossible. Outside of that, it's our coaching situation. We probably have to pay more than usual for a top guy or two.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Yes but with one top arm you have guaranteed win almost every Friday. That being said, as you bring up, he could also throw his arm out and all that money is wasted. On the other end you can get a hit line Skeens and he gets you to the CWS. If we do have a good staff then go get a top dawg and let the rest battle.

Internet Germans and Russians are saying that Burns is TCU bound....

Just talking smack here, the Skenes deal at LSU worked for a Championship because (1) Skenes was uniquely awesome. That is why we were hoping that he would be a Dog and he created a stir when he tweeted about Aaron Nixon joining MSU. (2) LSU had other arms and great players to complement Skenes.

Heading to 2024, MSU has a really bad pitching staff overall and the bullpen is an atrocity. A super transfer (like Skenes) would help, but Chase Burns is not Skenes. He could become that good, but you can't say that Chase Burns is going to win 90% of his Fridays and go 8 innings like Skenes. Burns had a losing record and bad ERA as a starter. Does not mean that Burns is not going to get better and dominate 2024, but he does not guarantee a solution.

The best option (if we really had an option with Burns) would be to improve the overall pitching talent with 5-or-so solid players to help Parker succeed. That alone would win 7-to-9 more SEC games. You are then hosting regionals with quality depth and could easily be a 2024 Omaha team.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Yall act like its so easy to just "add arms" or "develop" the players. There a reason that every year about 13/14 SEC teams loose games due to lack of depth in the pen. There's a reason very few SEC teams even have a Sunday starter that can go 5. There's a reason top Portal guys get bid up and courted by multiple teams.

It is hard to throw 95+, have other pitches, and be able to consistently command all of them. EVERY SEC team has guys that throw 95+ but doesn't see the field and transfer to a small school as Jr's or Srs. Look at LSU's Floyd- guy throws 97, sits 95, has a slider and a good changeup. Had an SEC ERA of over 5 and never went deep into games due to lack of command. It wasn't till the postseason he started locating all his pitches. And that's a guy with far more college coaching than our guys will have had come the spring.

I think we see a guy throw fast and we think about it in 2013 terms where 97 was insane. It's not anymore. You have to locate and have good secondary stuff because everyone throws it fast enough to have a high ceiling.

[Saltydog]

Last I heard, he's expected back.

Simmons or Auger or both?

[TNDawg35]

Simmons or Auger or both?

Both

[BigDawg81]

The 2 transfers that are committed are not going to announce until after Team USA is done playing which is the 14th of July I believe. One assumes it is Montgomery and Holman.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

The 2 transfers that are committed are not going to announce until after Team USA is done playing which is the 14th of July I believe. One assumes it is Montgomery and Holman.

I'll happily eat crow if true. Those would be MASSIVE gets and we'd just need a 3B, probably a couple more inning of relief but those 2 are massive gets

[Saltydog]

The 2 transfers that are committed are not going to announce until after Team USA is done playing which is the 14th of July I believe. One assumes it is Montgomery and Holman.

Here's the roster:

Ben Abeldt; LHP; McKinney, Texas; TCU
Matt Ager; RHP; Pleasanton, Calif.; UC Santa Barbara
Drew Beam; RHP; Murfreesboro, Tenn.; Tennessee
Jac Caglianone; LHP/1B; Tampa, Fla.; Florida
Charlie Condon; 1B/OF; Marietta, Ga.; Georgia
Christian Coppola; RHP; Galloway, N.J.; Rutgers
Kaelen Culpepper; INF; Memphis, Tenn.; Kansas State
Duce Gourson; INF; San Diego, Calif.; UCLA
Rodney Green, Jr.; OF; Richmond, Calif.; Cal
Luke Holman; RHP; Sinking Spring, Pa.
*Carter Holton; LHP; Guyton, Ga.; Vanderbilt
Ryan Johnson; RHP; Red Oak, Texas; Dallas Baptist
Seaver King; INF; Athena, Ga.; Wake Forest
Jace LaViolette; OF; Katy, Texas; Texas A&M
Michael Massey; RHP; Suwanee, Ga.; Wake Forest
Xavier Meachem; RHP; Winterville, N.C.; NC A&T
Omar Melendez; LHP; Cayey, P.R.; Alabama State
Braden Montgomery; OF/RHP; Madison, Miss.; Stanford
^Malcolm Moore; C; Sacramento, Calif.; Stanford
^Christian Moore; INF; Brooklyn, N.Y.; Tennessee
Brandon Neely; RHP; Seville, Fla.; Florida
Tyson Neighbors; RHP; Royse City, Texas; Kansas State
Griff O'Ferrall; INF; Richmond, Va.; Virginia
Fran Oschell III; RHP; Phoenixville, Pa.; Duke
Kyle Robinson; RHP; Vienna, Va.; Texas Tech
Hagen Smith; LHP; Bullard, Texas; Arkansas
Ryan Stafford; C; Folsom, Calif.; Cal Poly
JJ Wetherholt; INF; Mars, Pa.; West Virginia
Nicholas Wilson; RHP; Carrollton, Texas; Southern
Jay Woolfolk; RHP; Chesterfield, Va.; Virginia
Trey Yesavage; RHP; Boyertown, Pa.; East Carolina

*denotes national team alum
^denotes National Team Development Program (NTDP) participant

Just looking at it from a purely geographical standpoint the only other one I could possibly see would be the kid from KSU that is from Memphis. Of course, most suspect Kulp will be the SS. The kid from Alabama State had good numbers, albeit against vastly inferior competition. They're both sophomores so I'm not sure of their draft eligibility.

[The Federalist Engineer]

325 hitting at KSU is ok, 950 fielding is better than Forskin at his best. But Team USA certainly is impressive. Somebody has to play 3B. Mershon is not totally a locked super-star, sub 900 fielding percentage. Midgets better be good fielders. We should consider 3B, SS, and 2B as winnable positions for the best player.

[The Federalist Engineer]

The Alabama state pitcher is probably a Parker kid if he is on the radar.

Parker has been a U18 Team USA coach. He could have scouted this player closely.

I think any team Team USA player is worth getting. Confirmation Bias. Guilty as Charged.

[Coach34]

How many games did Mershon play at 2B this past season to affect that fielding percentage? Because that is where he will be starting this Spring

Hines will be at 1st
Mershon at 2B
Highfill likely catching because nobody wants to transfer unless they are all but promised the job
Jordan and Hugesak in the OF.

We have to figure out who the SS will be, and find a 3B and another OF'er. Plus the DH

[Todd4State]

In a perfect world we would get Holman and Montgomery and then we could maybe get the 3B that played at Memphis last year and be OK.

We're probably getting the guy from Sacred Heart as well.

[The Federalist Engineer]

In a perfect world we would get Holman and Montgomery and then we could maybe get the 3B that played at Memphis last year and be OK.

We're probably getting the guy from Sacred Heart as well.

Sacred Heart? Would this be Sam Mongelli the 400 hitting SS with 20 HRs? I like these North East Players, in NY/Jersey they generally consider going south as barbaric like Mississippi kids don't want to move to Guatemala.

[Todd4State]

Sacred Heart? Would this be Sam Mongelli the 400 hitting SS with 20 HRs? I like these North East Players, in NY/Jersey they generally consider going south as barbaric like Mississippi kids don't want to move to Guatemala.

That's him!

[basedog]

I hope the optimism that some of you guys have will rub off on me. I have seen so many baseball games over my life following the Dawgs at home and away. I am just just stunned after winning the Natty how far we fell off the cliff. I hope to regain confidence and get back on the wagon that I fell off on this past year! But in saying this, I'm in a wait and see mode and honestly I see we will be better but not sure how much. Also, when things are as bad as they have been the last two year, the noise I heard on read about players and even my grandson, I decided not to attend games.
After saying all this, what I saw was poorly coached team and lack of certain positions in recruiting the last few years. I truely hope Lemonis is what many of us thought he was and not some lazy coach who let the ship sink. We are a baseball school!

[Tripp McNeely]

In a perfect world we would get Holman and Montgomery and then we could maybe get the 3B that played at Memphis last year and be OK.

We're probably getting the guy from Sacred Heart as well.

What happened to the 3b from Gonzaga?

[State82]

Sacred Heart? Would this be Sam Mongelli the 400 hitting SS with 20 HRs? I like these North East Players, in NY/Jersey they generally consider going south as barbaric like Mississippi kids don't want to move to Guatemala.
He would be a great acquisition.

[Cooterpoot]

What happened to the 3b from Gonzaga?

Committed elsewhere

[Cooterpoot]

Now ya'll are seeing some of what Homedog was talking about. Like I said, we've got a shot at a good portal class. Just need to add a couple pitchers to the guys mentioned and we'll all be happy with that group. Got to get them in first and that's a couple weeks away.

[Saltydog]

Now ya'll are seeing some of what Homedog was talking about. Like I said, we've got a shot at a good portal class. Just need to add a couple pitchers to the guys mentioned and we'll all be happy with that group. Got to get them in first and that's a couple weeks away.

Need to add more than a couple.

[The Federalist Engineer]

What happened to the 3b from Gonzaga?

Cade McGee (now a Texas Tech Raider) was a 293 hitter with 6 HR at Gonzaga; he does have a 100% fielding percentage but so few chances, he seems like a DH. I think you aspire for a slugger at 3B and you could accept a Tommy White non-fielding percentage.

I think I rather have Amani Larry return, he would hit 320 and 10 HR in 2024. Let's see what the draft does.

MSU also has Hujsak that can play 3B. I bet Hujsak kills it at 3B, his 900 fielding at VCU is better than Forskin, Mershon, and E5 this past year.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Now ya'll are seeing some of what Homedog was talking about. Like I said, we've got a shot at a good portal class. Just need to add a couple pitchers to the guys mentioned and we'll all be happy with that group. Got to get them in first and that's a couple weeks away.

If the secret commitments are Holman and Montgomery, MSU is at least playing Supers next year.

[TheLostDawg]

Internet Germans and Russians are saying that Burns is TCU bound....

Just talking smack here, the Skenes deal at LSU worked for a Championship because (1) Skenes was uniquely awesome. That is why we were hoping that he would be a Dog and he created a stir when he tweeted about Aaron Nixon joining MSU. (2) LSU had other arms and great players to complement Skenes.

Heading to 2024, MSU has a really bad pitching staff overall and the bullpen is an atrocity. A super transfer (like Skenes) would help, but Chase Burns is not Skenes. He could become that good, but you can't say that Chase Burns is going to win 90% of his Fridays and go 8 innings like Skenes. Burns had a losing record and bad ERA as a starter. Does not mean that Burns is not going to get better and dominate 2024, but he does not guarantee a solution.

The best option (if we really had an option with Burns) would be to improve the overall pitching talent with 5-or-so solid players to help Parker succeed. That alone would win 7-to-9 more SEC games. You are then hosting regionals with quality depth and could easily be a 2024 Omaha team.

Having to coach up a whole group vs get a couple studs. Rather have the studs and actually coach the group we have and see what they are made of

[Cooterpoot]

Need to add more than a couple.

Get Holman and two or three more and we're good. Pitching coach will improve our current guys. We get back a couple who were hurt last year too. And we could possibly add more depending on who is available.
Holman is the huge piece. He alone gets us to post season assuming our young guys make the expected move in improvement. Not sure what Cade is doing (Base can tell you more than me) but the potential is high.

[confucius say]

Patience

Again, patience.

[Coach34]

Cade is projected 3rd-5th round. He is gone

[basedog]

Cade is projected 3rd-5th round. He is gone

Coming back wouldn't help him much anyway, or at least I don't think so. I'm sure he has gotten good advice.

[Cooterpoot]

Cade wasn't showing in the top 250 picks last I looked. I figured he was gone regardless but didn't want to put my foot in my mouth saying so. Can't blame him. Wonder what NIL would be for him though.

[basedog]

Cade wasn't showing in the top 250 picks last I looked. I figured he was gone regardless but didn't want to put my foot in my mouth saying so. Can't blame him. Wonder what NIL would be for him though.

I don't think it matters what round but we shall see. I can't speak for him but I don't see him coming back. Baseball is only fun when you win all the time, the last two years wasn't what he has been associated with, LOL Just saying, a lot was going on.

[CaptainObvious]

I don't think it matters what round but we shall see. I can't speak for him but I don't see him coming back. Baseball is only fun when you win all the time, the last two years wasn't what he has been associated with, LOL Just saying, a lot was going on.

It sure as heck wasn?t fun for me the past 2 years. I guess all the fans that kept showing up were there for the atmosphere and drinking because they couldn?t have been there for the baseball.

[TheLostDawg]

It sure as heck wasn?t fun for me the past 2 years. I guess all the fans that kept showing up were there for the atmosphere and drinking because they couldn?t have been there for the baseball.

The only reason I attended the few I went to

[sandjunky]

We stopped going

I wasn?t driving 3hrs to watch bad baseball

I can do that any weekend on the travel ball circuit

[ZedFedder]

LSU is hiring Nate Yeskie as PC.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

LSU is hiring Nate Yeskie as PC.

Must hve taken a pretty penny. But I can't blame them for supporting a program that just won a natty

[Coach34]

Must hve taken a pretty penny. But I can't blame them for supporting a program that just won a natty

Yeskie was Johnson's PC at Arizona

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Yeskie was Johnson's PC at Arizona

I get the connection, but Yeski made 300k at Zona and was the "associate head coach" at A&M and no doubt made more than that. I can't imagine he left for LSU without a raise

[AlSwearengen]

I’ve seen it mentioned that Yeski didn’t really like Johnson but that could be total BS, I have no idea. I wonder why Yeski didn’t go to lsu with Johnson initially, unless he was just getting a better deal from A&M at the time.

I think I have also seen it mentioned that Yeski isn’t happy at A&M for whatever reason, which looks to be a legitimate rumor.

[Cooterpoot]

Yeski wanted out of A&M. Hooked back up with Johnson because LSU will buy him pitchers (simple version). He butted heads with Johnson at Zona because they wouldn't get him pitchers and just loaded up on bats. I'd guess he's making a little more than at A&M. Wes was making close to $400K.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Yeski wanted out of A&M. Hooked back up with Johnson because LSU will buy him pitchers (simple version). He butted heads with Johnson at Zona because they wouldn't get him pitchers and just loaded up on bats. I'd guess he's making a little more than at A&M. Wes was making close to $400K.

https://www.reddit.com/r/collegebaseball/comments/14nfuvw/lsu_hiring_nate_yeskie_as_pitching_coach/

an A&M fan listed 5 pitchers that got worse from '22 to '23. Was it a bad year for Yeski, or a Fox situation? Probably the first. But I'd rather have Parker honestly.

[Cowbell]

I?ve seen it mentioned that Yeski didn?t really like Johnson but that could be total BS, I have no idea. I wonder why Yeski didn?t go to lsu with Johnson initially, unless he was just getting a better deal from A&M at the time.

I think I have also seen it mentioned that Yeski isn?t happy at A&M for whatever reason, which looks to be a legitimate rumor.

It would be hard to be happy in college station unless you are an Aggie at heart. That fan base is weird and cultish and they do not grow on you at all...trust me, I live here.

[The Federalist Engineer]

It would be hard to be happy in college station unless you are an Aggie at heart. That fan base is weird and cultish and they do not grow on you at all...trust me, I live here.

No that WF season is over, does TAM make a run at Muscara and the East German pitching lady?

[Todd4State]

https://www.reddit.com/r/collegebaseball/comments/14nfuvw/lsu_hiring_nate_yeskie_as_pitching_coach/

an A&M fan listed 5 pitchers that got worse from '22 to '23. Was it a bad year for Yeski, or a Fox situation? Probably the first. But I'd rather have Parker honestly.

Not every pitcher is going to get better every year.

[Todd4State]

No that WF season is over, does TAM make a run at Muscara and the East German pitching lady?

I'm just thankful that LSU didn't get Muscara. Word on the street is he wants to be a head coach somewhere so he may be just biding his time.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Not every pitcher is going to get better every year.

Agreed. That's why I don't agree with C34 that our Fr from last year will develop into at least 2 aolid starters next year. That a big ask.

But in A&M's case it's not an issue of "some players dint take a step forward", but "almost every returning pitcher got significantly worse". Which IS rare for a non Fox coached Staff. But Yeski has a long track record so it was probably just a fluke

[Pancho]

Yeski wanted out of A&M. Hooked back up with Johnson because LSU will buy him pitchers (simple version). He butted heads with Johnson at Zona because they wouldn't get him pitchers and just loaded up on bats. I'd guess he's making a little more than at A&M. Wes was making close to $400K.

The Twins were paying him that and LSU doubled it.

[TNDawg35]

A&M reeled in a hell of a 3b per Kendall Rogers. Hit like .300 something with 24 homers and was MAAC player of the year last year…

Yet we sit on our hands… I have no clue what is going on, but we have literally got ONE kid. ONE!!!! I don’t give a shit about the super secret commits. That’s bullshit. I won’t believe it until I see it at this point…

[Cooterpoot]

The Twins were paying him that and LSU doubled it.

His base pay was $380K at LSU

[Cooterpoot]

A&M reeled in a hell of a 3b per Kendall Rogers. Hit like .300 something with 24 homers and was MAAC player of the year last year…

Yet we sit on our hands… I have no clue what is going on, but we have literally got ONE kid. ONE!!!! I don’t give a shit about the super secret commits. That’s bullshit. I won’t believe it until I see it at this point…

We aren't sitting on our hands. But, Lemonis is making a huge mistake shutting down everything to the media though. I want to say more but I'll wait.

[The Federalist Engineer]

TCU is killing the portal - They have two massive gets - Burns and now Payton Tolle

Golden Spikes and Orelud candidates

[AlSwearengen]

TCU is killing the portal - They have two massive gets - Burns and now Payton Tolle

Golden Spikes and Orelud candidates

I saw something yesterday on twitter that said Burns was staying at Tenn. It said lsu and vandy offered him 6 figures but a Tenn booster matched it and he was staying.
I still haven’t seen that again, so it might be misinformation.

[Coach34]

Agreed. That's why I don't agree with C34 that our Fr from last year will develop into at least 2 aolid starters next year. That a big ask.


and they may not- but I think they have too much talent not to develop. Between Simmons, Loftin, Loo, and Holcombe's country ass- we should have at least 2 SEC SP's this Spring

[Todd4State]

Agreed. That's why I don't agree with C34 that our Fr from last year will develop into at least 2 aolid starters next year. That a big ask.

But in A&M's case it's not an issue of "some players dint take a step forward", but "almost every returning pitcher got significantly worse". Which IS rare for a non Fox coached Staff. But Yeski has a long track record so it was probably just a fluke

We only need two out of the seven to take a step forward. That's not a big ask at all. Regardless we're not just relying on them taking a step forward. We have JUCO pitchers, guys from the portal, people coming back from Injuries, and then we may get some guys back from the draft for their senior year.

Again- I don't think our fans can fathom how bad Foxhall was at multiple things. It's going to become very apparent next year though.

[Randolph Dupree]

Right now, from the outside looking in, we appear to be failing at an epic level with the transfer portal. Only silver lining I can possibly see at this point is that we are banking NIL to spend when the next staff takes over next June. I hope I eat crow later, and I will gladly take seconds with that meal but it appears that we have totaled the Ferrari and insurance isn't going to cover it.