NCAA Baseball Transfer Portal

[The Federalist Engineer]

The number being offered to BM is closer to $500K than $250K. Believe it or not, that's his neighborhood. But he wouldn't mind going back to Stanford either which has pennies in NIL to offer. So TAM and us could lose out with substantially larger packages. It's just a matter of what BM wants to do. His family wants him closer, there is one pushing for a large payout (not BM or his mom)...it's a complicated deal all around.

At least MSU is not making this cheap for TAM.

This is money TAM would put into 2-or-3 4-Star OTs for the Football team.

This will also force TAM to pay Laviolette some big money or the locker room implodes.

[confucius say]

Aggie isn't the only sec school that was willing to pay 500k, allegedly.

[bulldogcountry1]

If Lemonis whiffs on this guy after whiffing on Holman, it is a really bad look. But, it is a whole new level of bad to be leaving hundreds of thousands of NIL on the table after all the fuss about our fans not contributing earlier and more aggressively. We have heard repeatedly that we could be competitive with anyone in baseball NIL, but the results do not reflect that.

[TheLostDawg]

If Lemonis whiffs on this guy after whiffing on Holman, it is a really bad look. But, it is a whole new level of bad to be leaving hundreds of thousands of NIL on the table after all the fuss about our fans not contributing earlier and more aggressively. We have heard repeatedly that we could be competitive with anyone in baseball NIL, but the results do not reflect that.

That's what happens when you keep a coach that's heading out the door. I think everyone saw this coming. Like it was mentioned above, the pitching coach search was just another sign of how we should have just moved on. I hope that we're wrong

[ZedFedder]

At this point, our hope rests solely on Justin Parker.

[RockyDog]

MSU will be fine. No pitching and no additional help offensively. I see this team making it to Omaha. - Todd

[Pancho]

At this point, our hope rests solely on Justin Parker.

Amen to that

[State82]

Just out of curiosity I pulled up the final rankings from D1Baseball. The usual suspects come in at the top 7: LSU, UF, Wake, Stanford, TCU, UVA, UT....but then there is Oral Roberts at 8, USM at 9, Indiana State at 11, Duke at 15, Kentucky at 17, Costal Carolina at 21, Campbell at 22, East Carolina at 24 and Dallas Baptist rounds out the top 25. Now, most of these are not Johnny-come-lately programs. They have been hanging around the top tier of collegiate baseball for a while now. And that is the rub. If most of those from 8 down to 25, including Wake, were just showing up for the first time and it was some kind of anomaly for just this year it may be different. But I will be damned if our program should be sitting in its present state with all those programs mentioned sitting where they presently reside. It is total BS. At first I was not too torqued out of shape about keeping Lemonis around and felt like he would pull it together in the offseason with portal work. It is looking MUCH less promising now than it ever did.

[BigDawg81]

The best bet is to go all in with Jans and the basketball program. There isn?t any sense in drowning in sadness with the baseball program.

[msstate7]

The best bet is to go all in with Jans and the basketball program. There isn?t any sense in drowning in sadness with the baseball program.

^^^

[Pancho]

NIL ain't the issue, the stadium and facilities ain't the issue........only 1 dull reason why MSU can't attract a top tier portal player

[Homedawg]

If Lemonis whiffs on this guy after whiffing on Holman, it is a really bad look. But, it is a whole new level of bad to be leaving hundreds of thousands of NIL on the table after all the fuss about our fans not contributing earlier and more aggressively. We have heard repeatedly that we could be competitive with anyone in baseball NIL, but the results do not reflect that.

Look, we didn't lose him bc of Lem, we didn't lose him bc of the staff, we didn't lose him bc of nil. Kid just didn't want to be in state. We were led to believe otherwise for a while. Is what it is.....

[Homedawg]

^^^

Coming from the guy who adamantly wanted Jans fired 5 games into conference. Board is full of them.

[Coach34]

NIL ain't the issue, the stadium and facilities ain't the issue........only 1 dull reason why MSU can't attract a top tier portal player

So answer the big mystery:

Lemon has signed B2B Top 10 recruiting classes. Why is he not "dull" then? I agree 100% his portal recruiting has been sub-par but cant understand how he is able to sign top classes regularly

[Really Clark?]

Look, we didn't lose him bc of Lem, we didn't lose him bc of the staff, we didn't lose him bc of nil. Kid just didn't want to be in state. We were led to believe otherwise for a while. Is what it is.....

This^^^. Hell the family was looking at houses in Starkville and had contacted Starkville Academy for the younger. Every indication people had from the family and sources within the group pointed to him coming...he just didn't get the memo.

[msstate7]

Coming from the guy who adamantly wanted Jans fired 5 games into conference. Board is full of them.

He proved me wrong.
Lemonis is proving me right like Moorhead

[Homedawg]

NIL ain't the issue, the stadium and facilities ain't the issue........only 1 dull reason why MSU can't attract a top tier portal player

Again, in this case, at least, you'd be wrong. The staff had a blowout great meeting w him at the cape. He never wanted to come here. It became apparent. BM was appeasing people. Then BM finally won

[Homedawg]

He proved me wrong.
Lemonis is proving me right like Moorhead

I won't argue w that.

[msstate7]

Again, in this case, at least, you'd be wrong. The staff had a blowout great meeting w him at the cape. He never wanted to come here. It became apparent. BM was appeasing people. Then BM finally won

If he never wanted to come here, maybe they shoulda moved on to someone who did.

[Pancho]

Again, in this case, at least, you'd be wrong. The staff had a blowout great meeting w him at the cape. He never wanted to come here. It became apparent. BM was appeasing people. Then BM finally won

Not just BM. I'm referring to the glaring reason and the only reason any top portal guys lose interest in MSU. There is just 1 reason and said reason sits on the bucket.

[Homedawg]

If he never wanted to come here, maybe they shoulda moved on to someone who did.

Since you brought it up. Read what Clark said above. We were being told by the people closest to him he was. He just never would say it. We were drug along and drug along and then boom, one day people close say, sorry, we couldn't make him do it. That's a cliff's note version. At that point, there wasn't anything left. And frankly there's only one BM in the portal at any position.

[Homedawg]

Not just BM. I'm referring to the glaring reason and the only reason any top portal guys lose interest in MSU. There is just 1 reason and said reason sits on the bucket.

Ok.

[Todd4State]

Since you brought it up. Read what Clark said above. We were being told by the people closest to him he was. He just never would say it. We were drug along and drug along and then boom, one day people close say, sorry, we couldn't make him do it. That's a cliff's note version. At that point, there wasn't anything left. And frankly there's only one BM in the portal at any position.

This is a great point. Our fans want the portal to be like MLB free agency and it just isn't really ever going to be like that. You really only are going to have a handful of Skenes/Montgomery types in the portal every year. And when I say handful I'm probably being optimistic. Thus, we are never going to be able to build a team through the portal and have that be sustainable. We and EVERYONE else is going to have to rely on high school recruiting primarily to build our team. Even LSU this year- the majority of their team was built through recruiting at the high school and JUCO level.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

So answer the big mystery:

Lemon has signed B2B Top 10 recruiting classes. Why is he not "dull" then? I agree 100% his portal recruiting has been sub-par but cant understand how he is able to sign top classes regularly

Easy. HS recruiting is done 2-3 years before they make it to campus. These top 10 classes saw us make Omaha. Next year and on we get to the kids who saw us miss Hoover and Lemo almost get fired

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

This is a great point. Our fans want the portal to be like MLB free agency and it just isn't really ever going to be like that. You really only are going to have a handful of Skenes/Montgomery types in the portal every year. And when I say handful I'm probably being optimistic. Thus, we are never going to be able to build a team through the portal and have that be sustainable. We and EVERYONE else is going to have to rely on high school recruiting primarily to build our team. Even LSU this year- the majority of their team was built through recruiting at the high school and JUCO level.

Literally nobody has ever said we should "build the team" through the Portal. That's a strawman argument

What we said is that we needed BM and a Friday arm. Ie, use the portal to fill holes, just like everyone else in the SEC. Lemo failed to do that

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

About 70 pages of big promises followed immediately by "there was nothing Lemo could do" excuses lol. Classic ED

Homedawg- why didn't you bring this info to the board weeks ago? Or are you just finding this out yourself?

[Pancho]

We ain't ever gonna catch a skenes or a BM type if we have Lemo as the bait. gotta have something to attract them and impress them. If we have to start building an entire team from the portal then Lemo is worse than I describe now........he is a DUD

[Coach34]

What we said is that we needed BM and a Friday arm. Ie, use the portal to fill holes, just like everyone else in the SEC. Lemo failed to do that

Other than Holman and maybe Burns (who left Tenn because he wasnt a SP)- what Friday SP's were out there? Just not many of those. I totally acknowledge the BM failure. Tough loss there.

What are we going to do after we fire Lemon and the next HC fails to land top recruits over LSU and other top programs? Because thats going to happen no matter who our HC is

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Other than Holman and maybe Burns (who left Tenn because he wasnt a SP)- what Friday SP's were out there? Just not many of those. I totally acknowledge the BM failure. Tough loss there.

What are we going to do after we fire Lemon and the next HC fails to land top recruits over LSU and other top programs? Because thats going to happen no matter who our HC is

You can't simultaneously say "Lemo has top 10 classes" and say "well never beat anybody for a Portal player"

We literally won a Natty 26 months ago. Quit acting like we should accept mediocrity

[Homedawg]

About 70 pages of big promises followed immediately by "there was nothing Lemo could do" excuses lol. Classic ED

Homedawg- why didn't you bring this info to the board weeks ago? Or are you just finding this out yourself?

Bc sometimes it's not my place to do so. I share a small percentage of what I'm told. I'm not here to be a message board super hero.

[basedog]

Other than Holman and maybe Burns (who left Tenn because he wasnt a SP)- what Friday SP's were out there? Just not many of those. I totally acknowledge the BM failure. Tough loss there.

What are we going to do after we fire Lemon and the next HC fails to land top recruits over LSU and other top programs? Because thats going to happen no matter who our HC is

I don't understand your last sentence. How bout wait and let's see, you give up too easy without knowing the future about who may arise as a top coach at Msu. Our program will surivive in my eyes. I for one could care less about being compared to Lsu or anyone else, I care about our program, fans and culture. We are a top program for baseball, so is Ole Dixie now days.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Other than Holman and maybe Burns (who left Tenn because he wasnt a SP)- what Friday SP's were out there? Just not many of those. I totally acknowledge the BM failure. Tough loss there.

What are we going to do after we fire Lemon and the next HC fails to land top recruits over LSU and other top programs? Because thats going to happen no matter who our HC is

Cohen had us in Omaha. Cann had us in a SR his only season. Henderson had us in Omaha his only season. Early Lemo took their recruits and made Omaha, even won a Natty.

Are you really acting like I have some unobtainable HC standards because I think we can do better than Lemo??

Get the F put of here with this defeatist "woe is us" attitude! HAVE SOME PRIDE IN OUR PROGRAM! they've been one of the best in the country over the last decade and you want to say the next HC can't succeed? It's pathetic how far you've lowered your standards to defend the decision to keep Lemo

[msstate7]

This is a great point. Our fans want the portal to be like MLB free agency and it just isn't really ever going to be like that. You really only are going to have a handful of Skenes/Montgomery types in the portal every year. And when I say handful I'm probably being optimistic. Thus, we are never going to be able to build a team through the portal and have that be sustainable. We and EVERYONE else is going to have to rely on high school recruiting primarily to build our team. Even LSU this year- the majority of their team was built through recruiting at the high school and JUCO level.

And then they brought in true difference makers. Have we got any difference makers?

[msstate7]

Other than Holman and maybe Burns (who left Tenn because he wasnt a SP)- what Friday SP's were out there? Just not many of those. I totally acknowledge the BM failure. Tough loss there.

What are we going to do after we fire Lemon and the next HC fails to land top recruits over LSU and other top programs? Because thats going to happen no matter who our HC is

This from the poster that has led the charge of being critical of all msu coaches. That must have been one hell of a poster lemonis signed for you.

[AlSwearengen]

My question on Montgomery is, why A&M? Were they the best combination of money offered and good chance of winning? A&M is down the list a little ways of places that I would be looking at when it comes to baseball. Don’t get me wrong here, they are a good program but there are others that are ahead of them.

[msstate7]

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[basedog]

My question on Montgomery is, why A&M? Were they the best combination of money offered and good chance of winning? A&M is down the list a little ways of places that I would be looking at when it comes to baseball. Don’t get me wrong here, they are a good program but there are others that are ahead of them.

They are on the rise; Lord knows what happened with Cohen on the search before deciding on Lemonis which again was way down the list and unknown until his buddy contacted Cohen.

[basedog]

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Coaches can make a huge difference in programs; it doesn't always have to be the HC either.

[BigDawg81]

What is Faulk talking about on Montgomery on 247?

[Coach34]

Cohen had us in Omaha. Cann had us in a SR his only season. Henderson had us in Omaha his only season. Early Lemo took their recruits and made Omaha, even won a Natty.

That was Pre-portal and pre-NIL too

Lemon is not having trouble recruiting regularly. 2022 was 5th in country and those guys will ball this Spring. 9th in the country this class.

The portal is what’s different from Cohen, Cann, and the former regime

[Coach34]

This from the poster that has led the charge of being critical of all msu coaches. That must have been one hell of a poster lemonis signed for you.

Nobody has yet named a pitcher beside Holman and possibly Burns that are Friday night SEC guys. No other names? Are we Pearl-clutching over 2 guys?

[confucius say]

If he never wanted to come here, maybe they shoulda moved on to someone who did.

His family and camp were telling us and people in the area that he wanted to come here. They reached out months ago and said he wants to be here. We never talked to him because we couldn't, obviously. But his entire camp wants him here and said he wanted to be here. That's why people on here, including me, were so confident.

[confucius say]

Easy. HS recruiting is done 2-3 years before they make it to campus. These top 10 classes saw us make Omaha. Next year and on we get to the kids who saw us miss Hoover and Lemo almost get fired

Fair

[confucius say]

That was Pre-portal and pre-NIL too

Lemon is not having trouble recruiting regularly. 2022 was 5th in country and those guys will ball this Spring. 9th in the country this class.

The portal is what’s different from Cohen, Cann, and the former regime

The portal argument makes sense if we're getting outbid in the portal. Otherwise, doesn't compute.

[confucius say]

Nobody has yet named a pitcher beside Holman and possibly Burns that are Friday night SEC guys. No other names? Are we Pearl-clutching over 2 guys?

Mason Molina. Went to Arkansas.

[msstate7]

Nobody has yet named a pitcher beside Holman and possibly Burns that are Friday night SEC guys. No other names? Are we Pearl-clutching over 2 guys?

I'm Pearl clutching over being abysmal for 2 straight years. Him missing on his targets this offseason hasn't changed my mind

[msstate7]

Mason Molina. Went to Arkansas.

Gonna be hard to get portal kids to what appears to be a rebuild when other programs are ready to win

[Coach34]

Mason Molina. Went to Arkansas.

Lol- seriously? The guy that gave up 17 ER’s in only 30.1 innings of Big 12 baseball? Shirley you aren’t calling him a Friday guy

[Homedawg]

What is Faulk talking about on Montgomery on 247?

Just running his pie hole basically.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Lol- seriously? The guy that gave up 17 ER’s in only 30.1 innings of Big 12 baseball? Shirley you aren’t calling him a Friday guy

Better ERA than Holcombe or Loo but you're counting on them

I love how you completely flip your views on how important stats are whenever it suits you

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

That was Pre-portal and pre-NIL too

Lemon is not having trouble recruiting regularly. 2022 was 5th in country and those guys will ball this Spring. 9th in the country this class.

The portal is what’s different from Cohen, Cann, and the former regime

That makes no sense at all lol

So coaches at State can recruit top 10 classes and get us to Omaha, but no coach at State would be able to land a Portal transfer? What?

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Nobody has yet named a pitcher beside Holman and possibly Burns that are Friday night SEC guys. No other names? Are we Pearl-clutching over 2 guys?

1) We're "pearl clutching" over our failure to get the new blood we needed to improve our #13 in the SEC team

2) You yourself have said in this very thread that Lemo failed in the Portal this season lol

3) you want to talk pitching transfers?? Ok:

LSU actually landed 2 guys who are better than anyone we got and a UCLA loto ticket who may be a stud.

Arky landed Molina.

TN landed a guy with a high 90s FB and a 3.16 ERA that was sought after by Arky and LSU.

Florida landed a starter from UCLA who had a 3.39 ERA in 82IP.

South Carolina landed starter and conference pitcher of the year with a 3.36 ERA in 82IP.

Kentucky added a starter and Collegiate Baseball 2nd team all American who had a 2.77 ERA in 104IP.

Vandy added a great reliever/possible starter next year- 2.84 ERA in 50IP

Auburn added a starter from UAB- 3.52 ERA in 71IP.

A&m added a couple nice bullpen arms with sub 3.5 ERAs

Literally EVERY SINGLE ONE of these pitchers would have helped us in '24. Every. Single. One. And we got 1 decent arm in Ligon, that's it. Why is Kentucky and Auburn pulling better pitchers than us? Or are you going to say "there's no way we could ever win a recruiting battle with them" like you do for LSU?

You have such a looser mentality in this sport. I disagree with Todd but at least he agrees our program is better than A&M or Kentucky. You're over here trying to convince us to accept getting lapped by everyone in the SEC in a sport we won a Natty in 2 years ago

[Coach34]

That makes no sense at all lol

So coaches at State can recruit top 10 classes and get us to Omaha, but no coach at State would be able to land a Portal transfer? What?

Ok- I’ll type slower to help you understand. HS recruits don’t command the NIL and other attention that proven SEC or other P5 players demand. LSU landed Tommy, LSU landed Skenes, LSU landed Holman. That’s not a coincidence and it’s not going to change anytime soon. Then throw in Tenn, Fla, Candy, etc

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Ok- I’ll type slower to help you understand. HS recruits don’t command the NIL and other attention that proven SEC or other P5 players demand. LSU landed Tommy, LSU landed Skenes, LSU landed Holman. That’s not a coincidence and it’s not going to change anytime soon. Then throw in Tenn, Fla, Candy, etc

Ahh yes, NIL powerhouse Vanderbilt. How could we ever expect to compete with that lol

[Leroy Jenkins]

Ahh yes, NIL powerhouse Vanderbilt. How could we ever expect to compete with that lol

NIL money probably goes a lot further when you don't have to pay tuition.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

NIL money probably goes a lot further when you don't have to pay tuition.

Not when 500k for an OF is supposedly getting thrown around. That makes the 30k or so scholarship difference fairly small in comparison.

But regardless, C34 is just throwing stuff at the wall. Like a perfect game 10 that's a top 5 draft pic bit wants to play college is 100% someone LSU is interested in having. The idea they'd not use NIL on a HS stud makes no sense. NIL is absolutely being used on HS kids.

And he won't address the fact that schools like Kentucky got better pitching transfers than us. What, am I supposed to believe their baseball NIL is out of our league too? It's simple. Lemo is a lame duck coach and nobody wants to play their last year of college on a sinking ship.

[Leroy Jenkins]

30k a year in tuition and fees,(Vandy 55k) multiplied by 32 players. Roughly a million bucks, that doesn't need to come from the NIL pool. That's a good little bit of change.

[confucius say]

Lol- seriously? The guy that gave up 17 ER?s in only 30.1 innings of Big 12 baseball? Shirley you aren?t calling him a Friday guy

16 starts
83 innings
108 strikeouts
3.67 era
1.17 whip
.208 batting average against
Was their ace. Would absolutely be ours.

Also, where are you getting those stats? TTU site says in conference play he threw 42 innings, 53 k, 20 runs, 4.29 era, 1.24 whip, 8 starts.

https://texastech.com/sports/baseball/stats/2023

So yes, I'm dead serious. As is Dave Van Horn.

[Quaoarsking]

Personally I'm "pearl clurching" because I knew we were in line to suck again next year, but the sunshine squad insisted we wouldn't because Lemonis would make us better in the transfer portal. Turns out I was right and they were wrong.

We'll probably be a little bit better next year, maybe sneak into a Regional as a 3 seed, and the same people will be saying you can't fire a coach who made a Regional, and we'll continue our slide into long-term mediocrity when we could have halted it in May 2023.

[Really Clark?]

Personally I'm "pearl clurching" because I knew we were in line to suck again next year, but the sunshine squad insisted we wouldn't because Lemonis would make us better in the transfer portal. Turns out I was right and they were wrong.

We'll probably be a little bit better next year, maybe sneak into a Regional as a 3 seed, and the same people will be saying you can't fire a coach who made a Regional, and we'll continue our slide into long-term mediocrity when we could have halted it in May 2023.

I would have probably let him go after this season. But in all fairness I haven't seen not one poster who advocated for him to stay for next year also state that barely making a regional as a 3 seed is close to good enough to keep his job. That's not happening and nobody is advocating that.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I would have probably let him go after this season. But in all fairness I haven't seen not one poster who advocated for him to stay for next year also state that barely making a regional as a 3 seed is close to good enough to keep his job. That's not happening and nobody is advocating that.

Nobody was advocating for keeping Lemo after '23 either. C34 called him "Lemonizick" and Todd said we should fire him and make Polk the interim. They only started saying that keeping Lemo in '24 was a good thing after it became clear the AD wouldn't make the move. Ie, they were anti lemo but chose to be optimists and defend the athletic department.

If we make a regional next year, the same AD that wouldn't fire Lemo after 2 years of missing Hoover will make the call. And if that AD doesn't make the move, you can believe those who want to defend the athletic department will chime in with "you can't fire a coach after he showed improvement!" And "yeah the pitching staff was still bad but you've got to give Parker time!".

I agree nobody is advocating for keeping Lemo if he makes a regional as a 3 seed. I'm saying it's very likely our AD will chicken out again, and if he does there will be people defending that decision.

[Coach34]

But regardless, C34 is just throwing stuff at the wall. Like a perfect game 10 that's a top 5 draft pic bit wants to play college is 100% someone LSU is interested in having. The idea they'd not use NIL on a HS stud makes no sense. NIL is absolutely being used on HS kids.

And he won't address the fact that schools like Kentucky got better pitching transfers than us. What, am I supposed to believe their baseball NIL is out of our league too? It's simple. Lemo is a lame duck coach and nobody wants to play their last year of college on a sinking ship.

Did they? We wont know that until the Spring. Remember Tyler Davis that pitches for us? He was very good at VCU. Didnt translate this past season to the SEC. We got a quality arm from a top baseball program in Ligon. I assure you Miami didnt want him to leave. We'll see what Purdue's Friday guy does in the SEC with better coaching and facilities.

and aGAIN- I'm not even a Lemon supporter. I wont be surprised with anything that happens in the Spring. But one thing I do know is that we have talent and should be pretty good. I dont think he's a lame duck at all. I think he makes the Tourney and keeps his job. And that fellas- is going to be fun to watch around here

[Coach34]

I agree nobody is advocating for keeping Lemo if he makes a regional as a 3 seed. I'm saying it's very likely our AD will chicken out again, and if he does there will be people defending that decision.

If we get in as a 3 seed and tank- there's a chance the AD will be forced to make a move.

2 seed or better? I'll be shocked if he is not retained.

[confucius say]

If we get in as a 3 seed and tank- there's a chance the AD will be forced to make a move.

2 seed or better? I'll be shocked if he is not retained.

That's where I am. If we are a three seed, we better get to a super. If we're a 2 seed, he's coming back.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Did they? We wont know that until the Spring. Remember Tyler Davis that pitches for us? He was very good at VCU. Didnt translate this past season to the SEC. We got a quality arm from a top baseball program in Ligon. I assure you Miami didnt want him to leave. We'll see what Purdue's Friday guy does in the SEC with better coaching and facilities.

and aGAIN- I'm not even a Lemon supporter. I wont be surprised with anything that happens in the Spring. But one thing I do know is that we have talent and should be pretty good. I dont think he's a lame duck at all. I think he makes the Tourney and keeps his job. And that fellas- is going to be fun to watch around here

Let me see if I got this straight:

Holcombe/Loo/Loftin will all greatly improve because they're "too talented not to".... but Arkansas Molina had a high ERA so he's not good? (BTW as noted above you used the wrong stats for him, his ERA was good last year)

Ligon will be great because he's got a quality arm... but we don't know anything about any other Portal arms till they play this year (why doesn't their play from last year count?)

Ligon was from a school that "didn't want him to leave"... as if all these other schools wanted their Friday aces to transfer out to the SEC? This argument makes no sense for why Ligon stands out from the transfers I mentioned above.

Purdue will be good next year because he's got better training here... but this somehow doesn't apply to the others? Again, this argument doesn't differentiate our tranfer from any of the others we should have gotten.

We can never get a good Portal player if LSU or Arky or UF want them because those are better programs... but we CAN recruit elite HS and Juco kids because... uh... these more elite programs apparently don't care about getting good players if they aren't from the Portal?

You're all over the place man. Just saying whatever thoughts come into your head that could possibly indicate Lemo is doing fine, even if they're illogical or contradict your previous point. Throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping it sticks

[Coach34]

Let me see if I got this straight:

Holcombe/Loo/Loftin will all greatly improve because they're "too talented not to".... but Arkansas Molina had a high ERA so he's not good? (BTW as noted above you used the wrong stats for him, his ERA was good last year)

Ligon will be great because he's got a quality arm... but we don't know anything about any other Portal arms till they play this year (why doesn't their play from last year count?)

Ligon was from a school that "didn't want him to leave"... as if all these other schools wanted their Friday aces to transfer out to the SEC? This argument makes no sense for why Ligon stands out from the transfers I mentioned above.

Purdue will be good next year because he's got better training here... but this somehow doesn't apply to the others? Again, this argument doesn't differentiate our tranfer from any of the others we should have gotten.

We can never get a good Portal player if LSU or Arky or UF want them because those are better programs... but we CAN recruit elite HS and Juco kids because... uh... these more elite programs apparently don't care about getting good players if they aren't from the Portal?

You're all over the place man. Just saying whatever thoughts come into your head that could possibly indicate Lemo is doing fine, even if they're illogical or contradict your previous point. Throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping it sticks

No- you are making definitives about guys coming from other conferences to other teams are better than ours when the evidence clearly shows that coming to the SEC from somewhere else is no sure thing. I'm saying we just dont know yet and will find out in the Spring

Secondly- the evidence also shows that players almost always improve from their Freshman to Soph seasons. We pitched alot of Freshmen and they got the SEC School of Hard Knocks experience. They will be better in the Spring. We just dont know how much. But we do know that pro scouts absolutely love the upside our big 3 have.

Lastly- I was in a teacher meeting and didnt get the stats correct on the UPig trans. But now that I've taken some time and looked more closely you see his ERA was helped greatly by pitching against Kansas, K-St, and Baylor. In 20 IP's against those doorknob teams he went 3-0 with only 2 ER's. Against Texas, TCU, Ok State, and Oklahoma? 17.1 IP's with 16 ERs Red flag no?

[Really Clark?]

Nobody was advocating for keeping Lemo after '23 either. C34 called him "Lemonizick" and Todd said we should fire him and make Polk the interim. They only started saying that keeping Lemo in '24 was a good thing after it became clear the AD wouldn't make the move. Ie, they were anti lemo but chose to be optimists and defend the athletic department.

If we make a regional next year, the same AD that wouldn't fire Lemo after 2 years of missing Hoover will make the call. And if that AD doesn't make the move, you can believe those who want to defend the athletic department will chime in with "you can't fire a coach after he showed improvement!" And "yeah the pitching staff was still bad but you've got to give Parker time!".

I agree nobody is advocating for keeping Lemo if he makes a regional as a 3 seed. I'm saying it's very likely our AD will chicken out again, and if he does there will be people defending that decision.

No, if the AD doesn't make a move a move will be made for him. He is on razor thin ice. And again this is coming from someone who had no problem making a change this year.

[Cowbell]

What if I told you that in 2023 we would have 250k to spend on a baseball player, & we couldn't find one that wanted to come here bad enough to take it. This is a massive L for a coach that can't take another L. When you are leveraging that kind of money, you get a dang answer from the kid before the portal closes. There are other pitching prospects out there that would be worth going after to get them in the portal but we didn't do squat. You can make excuses all day, but this is a coach/recruiting fail.

[Activated Alpha]

Who all figured this would happen? Raise your hand

[BuckyIsAB****]

Other than Holman and maybe Burns (who left Tenn because he wasnt a SP)- what Friday SP's were out there? Just not many of those. I totally acknowledge the BM failure. Tough loss there.

What are we going to do after we fire Lemon and the next HC fails to land top recruits over LSU and other top programs? Because thats going to happen no matter who our HC is

We wont miss Hoover 2 years in a row or break school records for margin of defeat

[BuckyIsAB****]

Nobody has yet named a pitcher beside Holman and possibly Burns that are Friday night SEC guys. No other names? Are we Pearl-clutching over 2 guys?

You have to admit calling him Lemonizik then all of a sudden turning around and following the company line is out of your character

[confucius say]

No- you are making definitives about guys coming from other conferences to other teams are better than ours when the evidence clearly shows that coming to the SEC from somewhere else is no sure thing. I'm saying we just dont know yet and will find out in the Spring

Secondly- the evidence also shows that players almost always improve from their Freshman to Soph seasons. We pitched alot of Freshmen and they got the SEC School of Hard Knocks experience. They will be better in the Spring. We just dont know how much. But we do know that pro scouts absolutely love the upside our big 3 have.

Lastly- I was in a teacher meeting and didnt get the stats correct on the UPig trans. But now that I've taken some time and looked more closely you see his ERA was helped greatly by pitching against Kansas, K-St, and Baylor. In 20 IP's against those doorknob teams he went 3-0 with only 2 ER's. Against Texas, TCU, Ok State, and Oklahoma? 17.1 IP's with 16 ERs Red flag no?

Kansas state was the first team out and its AD and the baseball media blasted Cohen for leaving them out. They were good. Molinas numbers were good to great all year outside of 2 bad starts against an Omaha team and a regional team.

0 ER in 5.0 vs Iowa. Tourney team.
3 ER in 5.1 vs OK st. Regional host.
2 ER in 5.0 vs Texas. Super regional team.
2 ER in 4.2 vs West Va. Regional team.
1 ER in 6.0 vs Kan St. First team out.
1 ER in 6.0 vs West Va again. Regional team.
2 ER in 6.0 Va Top 10 UConn. Regional team.
That's 2.60 ERA in those 7 starts.

7 ER in 4.1 vs TCU. CWS team.
4 ER in 2.2 vs Oklahoma. Regional team.

We'd love to have him and he'd be our Friday guy as of today.

[confucius say]

What if I told you that in 2023 we would have 250k to spend on a baseball player, & we couldn't find one that wanted to come here bad enough to take it. This is a massive L for a coach that can't take another L. When you are leveraging that kind of money, you get a dang answer from the kid before the portal closes. There are other pitching prospects out there that would be worth going after to get them in the portal but we didn't do squat. You can make excuses all day, but this is a coach/recruiting fail.

We had way more than 250k to spend. We would have spent that on multiple guys had they come.

[Homedawg]

If we get in as a 3 seed and tank- there's a chance the AD will be forced to make a move.

2 seed or better? I'll be shocked if he is not retained.

Only way he gets fire after making a regional is if we get in like the rebels did in 22 and 2 and q's. 2 seed and it's not even a call.

[Homedawg]

We wont miss Hoover 2 years in a row or break school records for margin of defeat

Will Rogers wasnt bad against ole miss. See, everybody can be wrong.... happens. Difference is one is a prediction and the other was after actually watching it.

[Saltydog]

Who all figured this would happen? Raise your hand

Is it o.k. to raise my hand just halfway? I thought initially he was ours. We seemed to have all the right connections but the longer this thing drug out (all the experts had all the excuses why) the more skeptical I became and it finally got to the point where I just accepted it wasn't going to happen.

[Tater]

Nobody was advocating for keeping Lemo after '23 either. C34 called him "Lemonizick" and Todd said we should fire him and make Polk the interim. They only started saying that keeping Lemo in '24 was a good thing after it became clear the AD wouldn't make the move. Ie, they were anti lemo but chose to be optimists and defend the athletic department.

If we make a regional next year, the same AD that wouldn't fire Lemo after 2 years of missing Hoover will make the call. And if that AD doesn't make the move, you can believe those who want to defend the athletic department will chime in with "you can't fire a coach after he showed improvement!" And "yeah the pitching staff was still bad but you've got to give Parker time!".

I agree nobody is advocating for keeping Lemo if he makes a regional as a 3 seed. I'm saying it's very likely our AD will chicken out again, and if he does there will be people defending that decision.

C34 quite literally had a change of heart. He's a lot more fun of a poster since he's come back from the brink.

I think most everyone on the board is in agreement: Shitty season and Lemonis goes. 3 seed and 2-and-Q is gonezo. Make a super and he's for sure staying. It's that simple.

What's different is everyone's approach to that information. C34, myself, and others see a guy who's got a natty knowing he's up against a wall. There's some magic there and bucket man won't go without a whimper. It's way more fun to drink the State Koolaid and be the optimist than it is to be debbie downer for months. Even if you're right, who cares. You get momentary satisfaction in being right, whereas a dreamer gets months of satisfaction dreaming about what can be.

It's why the fun of lottery tickets isn't focusing on who will win and how astronomical it is you won't. It's spending $10 on the thought that you might and daydreaming about what you would do with it.

Anyways. Football season is almost here and we're going 15-0 until we're going 14-1. Hope springs eternal.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

No- you are making definitives about guys coming from other conferences to other teams are better than ours when the evidence clearly shows that coming to the SEC from somewhere else is no sure thing. I'm saying we just dont know yet and will find out in the Spring

Secondly- the evidence also shows that players almost always improve from their Freshman to Soph seasons. We pitched alot of Freshmen and they got the SEC School of Hard Knocks experience. They will be better in the Spring. We just dont know how much. But we do know that pro scouts absolutely love the upside our big 3 have.

Lastly- I was in a teacher meeting and didnt get the stats correct on the UPig trans. But now that I've taken some time and looked more closely you see his ERA was helped greatly by pitching against Kansas, K-St, and Baylor. In 20 IP's against those doorknob teams he went 3-0 with only 2 ER's. Against Texas, TCU, Ok State, and Oklahoma? 17.1 IP's with 16 ERs Red flag no?

Lol you just keep contradicting yourself:

Ligon is a great get because we don't know know how much he'll improve next year... Molina had some bad starts so he's not an ace

See that soluble standard? Ignore Ligons bad starts for Miami and judge him on potential alone, but ignore Molinas potential -and his overall stats- to judge him solely on his WORST numbers.

Skenes had bad starts at Air Force. Bednar had bad starts in 21. Holman had bad starts at Bama. You know all this, you're not dumb. But you still pull from Molinas worst performances to pretend thatsbwhat he is. It's intellectually dishonest unless you're going to do that for all our guys too

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

No- you are making definitives about guys coming from other conferences to other teams are better than ours when the evidence clearly shows that coming to the SEC from somewhere else is no sure thing.

Another thing- I'm not making "definative statements" on anyone. I'm stating FACTUAL STATISTICS FROM REAL BASEBALL GAMES!

Literally a page ago you said LSU will shell out for Portal players because they're "Proven", but not shell out for HS kids because theyre an unknown. So which is it? Are Portal player proven or are their stats irrelevant to whether or not we should pursue them?

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Tater I have no issue with optimism because you'd rather be optimistic. That's great, good for you.

BUT, there's a difference between you (choosing optimism) and C34, who's contradicting g his own logic and cherrypicking stats to make said optimistic points. At least be honest about it you know?

[Coach34]

Skenes had bad starts at Air Force. Bednar had bad starts in 21. Holman had bad starts at Bama. You know all this, you're not dumb. But you still pull from Molinas worst performances to pretend thatsbwhat he is. It's intellectually dishonest unless you're going to do that for all our guys too

So Molina just happened to have bad starts against good teams? Kansas St was a good team????? Is this where we are now? Well, let's see. Kansas St lost to:

Lamar
Sam Houston
Iowa
Omaha
Lost 2/3 from 20-35 Baylor
St. Thomas (who the **** is that?)
Air Force
Nebraska
Wichita St x 2
UC Irvine

[Cooterpoot]

https://i.postimg.cc/sgJMT7DG/IMG-5164.jpg

[confucius say]

So Molina just happened to have bad starts against good teams? Kansas St was a good team????? Is this where we are now? Well, let's see. Kansas St lost to:

Lamar
Sam Houston
Iowa
Omaha
Lost 2/3 from 20-35 Baylor
St. Thomas (who the **** is that?)
Air Force
Nebraska
Wichita St x 2
UC Irvine

Kansas state was solid. Go look at their resume. But they were nothing special. He was good against them. But that has nothing to do with the point. Take them out.

He had 2 bad starts. One against a team that finished 4th in the country (TCU) and one against a team that went to a regional (Oklahoma).
He had 6 other starts against regional/super regional teams and had a 2.81 era over those 6 starts.

0 ER in 5.0 vs Iowa. Tourney team.
3 ER in 5.1 vs OK st. Regional host.
2 ER in 5.0 vs Texas. Super regional team.
2 ER in 4.2 vs West Va. Regional team.
1 ER in 6.0 vs West Va again. Regional team.
2 ER in 6.0 Va Top 10 UConn. Regional team.

Nobody is saying he is Skenes, but he's better than anything we had and would be our Friday night guy as of today, hands down. Everybody on this board knows that, including you.

[Cooterpoot]

It's hard to say Molina lost when he pitched against good teams while saying our Purdue guy is good outside two games, one to an awful OM team, and in a terrible conference. We bombed the portal. We could use Molina.

[Cowbell]

It's hard to say Molina lost when he pitched against good teams while saying our Purdue guy is good outside two games, one to an awful OM team, and in a terrible conference. We bombed the portal. We could use Molina.

It's sad when we did the same in the portal or less than Bianco after finishing dead last

[Pancho]

we'll know by mid march to early april next year..........which sec teams who finished above msu this past year appear to have less overall talent in 24? I'll wait.

[confucius say]

It's hard to say Molina lost when he pitched against good teams while saying our Purdue guy is good outside two games, one to an awful OM team, and in a terrible conference. We bombed the portal. We could use Molina.

And that was only two bad starts. Bednar had that in 2021.
He had 6 good starts against regional/super regional teams.

[confucius say]

we'll know by mid march to early april next year..........which sec teams who finished above msu this past year appear to have less overall talent in 24? I'll wait.

Less talent in 2024 than they had in 2023? LSU for one.

We have a lot of young talent. We just have to get some young pitchers to develop fast.

[Pancho]

I agree on pitchers needing to develop and LSU having less talent than in 23. If LSU is the only team who finished above MSU who has less talent in 24 then where will Lemo finish? does he press up hard and finish 10th or maybe strain for 9th place? I am still having issues understanding what Lemo will do different than the past 2 seasons.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

So Molina just happened to have bad starts against good teams? Kansas St was a good team????? Is this where we are now? Well, let's see. Kansas St lost to:

Lamar
Sam Houston
Iowa
Omaha
Lost 2/3 from 20-35 Baylor
St. Thomas (who the **** is that?)
Air Force
Nebraska
Wichita St x 2
UC Irvine

Cherry picking from my comments I see to ignore almost everything I said. It's not unnoticed by the people reading the board

Anyway, your logic is still inconsistent and hypocritical:

Loftin had a double digit ERA vs the only 2 tournament teams he faced, yet you cite his overall stats to say he'll be good in 24. Loo and Holcombe had almost nothing but bad starts last year, but you want us to ignore all that and trust they'll get massively better because "tallent". Our Miami and Purdue transfers had bad starts and worse overall stats than Molina, yet you want us to ignore all that because they could improve.... but when it comes to Molina, suddenly every start is under a microscope to judge him only be the bad starts?

Would you like to discuss the 104IP sub 3 ERA 2nd team All American Kentucky got from the Portal? Or is he not a "Friday guy" either? Or is Kentucky another program we can't hope to ever beat for a Portal kid? Fact is there's a LOT of Portal arms we could have used and Lemo simply failed to get them

[Coach34]

I agree on pitchers needing to develop and LSU having less talent than in 23. If LSU is the only team who finished above MSU who has less talent in 24 then where will Lemo finish? does he press up hard and finish 10th or maybe strain for 9th place? I am still having issues understanding what Lemo will do different than the past 2 seasons.

Well, the sentiment here is that we return a helluva lot and that is why we should be improved.

Offense/Defense- we return 1st base Hines, 2nd base Larry, SS Mershon, LF Jordan, and Catcher Highfill. We have upgraded at 3rd base with the Memphis trans so the infield will be pretty good. Now the questions are what do we get from Hugesak in CF? Who plays RF and DH? We have quality signees at SS and 1B (Cupp/Stevens) with the 1B kid a candidate at DH- he is supposed to be the next Hines. I think we have Chance and Downs returning- so they factor in also. Strong top of the line with questions at the bottom.

Pitching? My rotation would be:

Fri- Loftin
Sat- Holcombe
Sunday- Ligon
Midweek- Siary
Closer- Loo

Relief- Simmons, Dohm, Auger, Purdue, Tapper, Davis, Forsythe, Cheatham
True Freshmen- Grant/Dotson/Walsh....what can these guys give us? Grant and Dotson are pretty highly rated and should contribute. Dotson really needs to help with him being a Lefty.

To me- thats a regional team 2 seed at worst

[TStationDawg]

Well, the sentiment here is that we return a helluva lot and that is why we should be improved.

Offense/Defense- we return 1st base Hines, 2nd base Larry, SS Mershon, LF Jordan, and Catcher Highfill. We have upgraded at 3rd base with the Memphis trans so the infield will be pretty good. Now the questions are what do we get from Hugesak in CF? Who plays RF and DH? We have quality signees at SS and 1B (Cupp/Stevens) with the 1B kid a candidate at DH- he is supposed to be the next Hines. I think we have Chance and Downs returning- so they factor in also. Strong top of the line with questions at the bottom.

Pitching? My rotation would be:

Fri- Loftin
Sat- Holcombe
Sunday- Ligon
Midweek- Siary
Closer- Loo

Relief- Simmons, Dohm, Auger, Purdue, Tapper, Davis, Forsythe, Cheatham
True Freshmen- Grant/Dotson/Walsh....what can these guys give us? Grant and Dotson are pretty highly rated and should contribute. Dotson really needs to help with him being a Lefty.

To me- thats a regional team 2 seed at worst

Will Pico not be able to pitch this year or did he leave the team?? I haven't heard or seen anyone mentioning him.

[Saltydog]

Will Pico not be able to pitch this year or did he leave the team?? I haven't heard or seen anyone mentioning him.

He's still here but had TJ surgery middle of the season so he's out next year too.

[Coach34]

He's still here but had TJ surgery middle of the season so he's out next year too.

He will be at a year around April. While advancements have been made on that surgery- it's still unlikely to contribute at a year out. It's basically a 15 month rehab if all goes well.

[bigbub50]

So is this thread over now with Montgomerys official announcement? If so, I?m sad. It?s been a great thread.

[Mjoelner34]

So is this thread over now with Montgomerys official announcement? If so, I?m sad. It?s been a great thread.

Over? Without reading back I thought the 'Montfomery is coming' crew was also mentioning secret transfers that didn't want their name out there. Shouldn't we be waiting on those secret commits?

[raymonddawg]

The "montgomery is coming" crew had the best piece of insider info this site has had in a while. They called that wayyyyy before it was out there. AND they were right, but AM offered a stupid NIL deal to the kid. Also, F Lemonis for not landing a big fish from the portal.

[smootness]

The "montgomery is coming" crew had the best piece of insider info this site has had in a while. They called that wayyyyy before it was out there. AND they were right, but AM offered a stupid NIL deal to the kid. Also, F Lemonis for not landing a big fish from the portal.

You call your shots, you get some right and some wrong. You should soak in the credit for what you get right, but you also have to eat what you got wrong. This one was a miss, along with all the other thinly veiled mentions of other guys we were going to be getting.

This portal season was one massive L from Lemonis. And at the worst possible time. We might be halfway decent next year if enough guys progress, but Lemonis is gone soon one way or another. So I'd rather it go ahead and happen this year.

[The Federalist Engineer]

So is this thread over now with Montgomerys official announcement? If so, I?m sad. It?s been a great thread.

This was a thread to honor our Elite Recruiting Head Coach.

[bigbub50]

Let?s spin this, somewhere a msu booster or boosters have saved approximately 500k-750k on these two major misses. A penny saved is a penny earned, dad always told me.

[raymonddawg]

You call your shots, you get some right and some wrong. You should soak in the credit for what you get right, but you also have to eat what you got wrong. This one was a miss, along with all the other thinly veiled mentions of other guys we were going to be getting.

This portal season was one massive L from Lemonis. And at the worst possible time. We might be halfway decent next year if enough guys progress, but Lemonis is gone soon one way or another. So I'd rather it go ahead and happen this year.

Yeah my point was this wasn't really a miss. Those guys said Montgomery to MSU while Stanford was still playing in Omaha. They were right. It just changed at the end.

[smootness]

Yeah my point was this wasn't really a miss. Those guys said Montgomery to MSU while Stanford was still playing in Omaha. They were right. It just changed at the end.

I know, and I?m saying it is a miss. You can?t say, well I was right at the time, things just changed. They said he would be at State and he?s not. It?s possible they were right ?at the time? and it?s also possible they weren?t. But regardless, they were wrong in the end.

[KOdawg1]

My portal wish list at the end of the season:

-Friday night starter
-Stud 3B
-Braden Montgomery

Lemonis countered with:

-Two pitchers that have ERAs around 5. They might be pretty decent but are far from Friday night guys.
-A 3B from a pretty bad baseball conference that can hit pretty well but strikes out a lot. Not a bad get, but wanted a little better.
-Not Braden Montgomery

Good stuff...

[Cowbell]

Let?s spin this, somewhere a msu booster or boosters have saved approximately 500k-750k on these two major misses. A penny saved is a penny earned, dad always told me.

Money toward lemonis buyout.


I never thought at MSU we would have boosters that would pony up to get a big fish and yet have a coach that couldn't land him...

[confucius say]

I know, and I?m saying it is a miss. You can?t say, well I was right at the time, things just changed. They said he would be at State and he?s not. It?s possible they were right ?at the time? and it?s also possible they weren?t. But regardless, they were wrong in the end.

I'll own it. The whole camp and his family wanted him here and were on board. They were the source. And then he decided he didn't want to move back home and play with kids he grew up playing with. Sucks.

[BeardoMSU]

I still have hope, but GD if this ain't deflating...

[Pancho]

the muck in the pot of soup is Lemo........ just wait til mid march and see if Parker allows us to keep the muck another year

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

By the way idont remember it being discussed- did we give Parker a "multi year guaranteed" contract like was rumored? Anybody know his buyout?

Parker seems great but I'd hate to scare off a HC candidate because we can't afford to bring in his preferred PC

[Coach34]

I know, and I?m saying it is a miss. You can?t say, well I was right at the time, things just changed. They said he would be at State and he?s not. It?s possible they were right ?at the time? and it?s also possible they weren?t. But regardless, they were wrong in the end.

Montgomery's family wanted him at State. They got the process going which hyped everybody. Montgomery didnt want to be in Mississippi tho- thats the bottom line. Which makes sense considering where he started his career.

[basedog]

Montgomery's family wanted him at State. They got the process going which hyped everybody. Montgomery didnt want to be in Mississippi tho- thats the bottom line. Which makes sense considering where he started his career.

It’s looking really bad! There is no sugar coating it. I hope your prediction on Lemonis and the team next year is good. It’s all bout coaching what we have up.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Montgomery's family wanted him at State. They got the process going which hyped everybody. Montgomery didnt want to be in Mississippi tho- thats the bottom line. Which makes sense considering where he started his career.

The issue is how it was phrased on here, not necessarily by you but by many. Saying "we have a lot going for us so I think we'll get him" is fine. Saying "He's a silent commit and you're going to eat crow when he announces!" Is too far because Montgomery never said it himself.

If someone has insider info, just state that info. Don't take an extra guess and present that guess like insider info too, you know? That's the "crow" some deserve to eat.

[ZedFedder]

I just want to congratulate everyone on this thread length.

[Coach34]

Well I posted what happened. I 100% agree its disappointing and a close Lemon really needed to make. I've said that all along. When the kid's parents are looking at places to purchase in StarkVegas you get excited. The guy simply didnt want to return to Mississippi.

Makes Lemon's job that much tougher in the Spring.

[Todd4State]

Montgomery's family wanted him at State. They got the process going which hyped everybody. Montgomery didnt want to be in Mississippi tho- thats the bottom line. Which makes sense considering where he started his career.

That's the bizarre thing about this whole deal. His parents telling MSU that he will be at MSU without talking to him first. Montgomery is a grown man. He makes his own decisions.

And if I was Lemonis I would want to hear it from Braden himself before I got all excited and confident.

[Pancho]

Let's get onto other sports now and wait to hear how improved the baseball team is during fall scrimmages...........

[ZedFedder]

I?m excited for football, men?s basketball, and women?s basketball. If Lemonis falls on his face this year, I?m confident we can bring someone in to elevate us back to where we were.

[TNDawg35]

I?m excited for football, men?s basketball, and women?s basketball. If Lemonis falls on his face this year, I?m confident we can bring someone in to elevate us back to where we were.

The question would be would we open up the checkbook enough to get a big name or do we hire a no name coach. There is a really good chance that both us and OM would be open next year with bad years for both Lemonis and Bianco…

[CaptainObvious]

My last comment/question(s) on the Braden Montgomery situation with regard to his decision to go to Play for the Milkmen.

IF(big word but there was a lot of supposition on this thread) he chose then because of his hitting instructor who I believe people have mentioned as Chuck Box, then who is to say a new coach at State THIS year, couldn?t have hire Said hitting instructor and brought Montgomery in?

We really don?t know if course, because we are stuck with Lame Duck Lemo, but a change THIS year, not next will most likely present itself in the Spring of 24 when State loses a non-con series or a midweek to a nobody.

Some of you are too young to remember when we actually had sports casters on local stations making this statement after a 2-9 or 3-8 football season:

?State went 2-9 this year but the good news is everybody is back next year. The bad news is everybody is back next year!?

[Saltydog]

The question would be would we open up the checkbook enough to get a big name or do we hire a no name coach. There is a really good chance that both us and OM would be open next year with bad years for both Lemonis and Bianco?

One will retire the other will be fired. Selmon, you'd better get off your ass now and start building a list of potential candidates because I think we all know how this ends.

[bigbub50]

Did my heart some good, to still see this thread at the top this morning.

[Coach34]

because we are stuck with Lame Duck Lemo

One way or the other- this thread will be fun to quote from in the Spring

[80 Dawg]

I'm not saying he's on the level of BM, but do we have a shot at Stephen Reid from GA Tech? I believe he hit like .344 w/ 15 bombs if I'm not mistaken.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

One way or the other- this thread will be fun to quote from in the Spring

100% it will. Hope I'm the one getting roasted

[Homedawg]

My last comment/question(s) on the Braden Montgomery situation with regard to his decision to go to Play for the Milkmen.

IF(big word but there was a lot of supposition on this thread) he chose then because of his hitting instructor who I believe people have mentioned as Chuck Box, then who is to say a new coach at State THIS year, couldn?t have hire Said hitting instructor and brought Montgomery in?

We really don?t know if course, because we are stuck with Lame Duck Lemo, but a change THIS year, not next will most likely present itself in the Spring of 24 when State loses a non-con series or a midweek to a nobody.

Some of you are too young to remember when we actually had sports casters on local stations making this statement after a 2-9 or 3-8 football season:

?State went 2-9 this year but the good news is everybody is back next year. The bad news is everybody is back next year!?

chuck box is not his hitting coach. CB works for a&M. CB had little to nothing to do w BM going to a&m. His hitting guy is based out of TX and is a private instructor.

[TheLostDawg]

chuck box is not his hitting coach. CB works for a&M. CB had little to nothing to do w BM going to a&m. His hitting guy is based out of TX and is a private instructor.

Sounds like we need to go and hire that guy.

[Really Clark?]

Sounds like we need to go and hire that guy.

As what?

[Homedawg]

Sounds like we need to go and hire that guy.

He's not for hire. He's a private hitting instructor..... smh

[SPMT]

He's not for hire. He's a private hitting instructor..... smh

Not if made an offer he can?t refuse

[Really Clark?]

Not if made an offer he can?t refuse

Again, as what?

[SPMT]

Again, as what?

Special assistant aka helper

[Homedawg]

Not if made an offer he can?t refuse

To do what??? He's a private hitting Instructor. He's not a college coach.not even sure why I wasted the 30 secs responding

[Really Clark?]

Special assistant aka helper

Dude, do you really think that's realistic with limits on staffing to 4 countable coaches and volunteers being eliminated? Not to mention you have no clue whether he could qualify to be on a college staff, how much of a pay cut he would be willing to take, relocate and shut down his business, etc. Y'all can throw some stuff out there without any consideration.

[SPMT]

Dude, do you really think that's realistic with limits on staffing to 4 countable coaches and volunteers being eliminated? Not to mention you have no clue whether he could qualify to be on a college staff, how much of a pay cut he would be willing to take, relocate and shut down his business, etc. Y'all can throw some stuff out there without any consideration.

I?m joking.

[Offshore Dawg]

Too much joking in this thread to begin with.

[Activated Alpha]

Sounds like we need to go and hire that guy.

I understood that you were being facetious even if these other dudes missed it. I think everyone is upset about our baseball situation that they have forgotten how to detect sarcasm

[TheLostDawg]

I understood that you were being facetious even if these other dudes missed it. I think everyone is upset about our baseball situation that they have forgotten how to detect sarcasm

Haha yeah I just let it roll. Hopefully it's not us getting rolled next spring but I hope someone fills the AD in that this wouldn't have happened in the past. If we wanted someone we usually got them especially if the family was behind them. The fact that we had that plus the money and still couldn't land the kid just shows what kind of mistake was made keeping Lemonis. I hope Lemonis makes fools of us all but if he cant accomplish bringing a kid over with all the cards he held with this kid, no matter how good Lemonis of coach Lemonis is and the staff he brings, we won't ever be top 2 sec again with our competition landing those guys each year.

[Pancho]

heck, with texas and OU making 16 SEC teams lemo gone steady maintain in the lower quarter unless Parker can turn water into wine

[Todd4State]

Haha yeah I just let it roll. Hopefully it's not us getting rolled next spring but I hope someone fills the AD in that this wouldn't have happened in the past. If we wanted someone we usually got them especially if the family was behind them. The fact that we had that plus the money and still couldn't land the kid just shows what kind of mistake was made keeping Lemonis. I hope Lemonis makes fools of us all but if he cant accomplish bringing a kid over with all the cards he held with this kid, no matter how good Lemonis of coach Lemonis is and the staff he brings, we won't ever be top 2 sec again with our competition landing those guys each year.

You mean like Palmeiro's kid who decommitted when we hired Cohen?

[JoseBrown]

Haha yeah I just let it roll. Hopefully it's not us getting rolled next spring but I hope someone fills the AD in that this wouldn't have happened in the past. If we wanted someone we usually got them especially if the family was behind them. The fact that we had that plus the money and still couldn't land the kid just shows what kind of mistake was made keeping Lemonis. I hope Lemonis makes fools of us all but if he cant accomplish bringing a kid over with all the cards he held with this kid, no matter how good Lemonis of coach Lemonis is and the staff he brings, we won't ever be top 2 sec again with our competition landing those guys each year.

To be fair his mother lives in MS and wanted him coming to State. His father lives in another state and I dunno what he wanted. My family has been close to him and his mothers family. One of the girls has been friends with him and she?s at State. When she heard he may come to State she contacted him. He wouldn?t tell her where he was going. My sister said his mama told them a while back he was coming back too. But we didn?t recruit him while we recruited his friends in high school, he left the state for a reason, and I checked with the family when I first heard he may be coming. Not one said that he ever said he was coming. I thought his mother would get her way. Unfortunately for us he chose to come closer to home.

PS…I hope Lemonis proves me wrong, but I didn’t want to keep him. Due to portal weakness, and most importantly, we play like dog piss with all his players. I’m down on all sports anymore, just from the way they began and the way they are run from the top down. Mostly to maximize profits in Vegas. It’s a rigged game against us and the Freemasons playground. Deceit and taking our money in all aspects of life. It’s a big club and we ain’t in it.

[SPMT]

To be fair his mother lives in MS and wanted him coming to State. His father lives in another state and I dunno what he wanted. My family has been close to him and his mothers family. One of the girls has been friends with him and she?s at State. When she heard he may come to State she contacted him. He wouldn?t tell her where he was going. My sister said his mama told them a while back he was coming back too. But we didn?t recruit him while we recruited his friends in high school, he left the state for a reason, and I checked with the family when I first heard he may be coming. Not one said that he ever said he was coming. I thought his mother would get her way. Unfortunately for us he chose to come closer to home.

PS?I hope Lemonis proves me wrong, but I didn?t want to keep him. Due to portal weakness, and most importantly, we play like dog piss with all his players. I?m down on all sports anymore, just from the way they began and the way they are run from the top down. Mostly to maximize profits in Vegas. It?s a rigged game against us and the Freemasons playground. Deceit and taking our money in all aspects of life. It?s a big club and we ain?t in it.

I cannot disagree.

[AROB44]

the Freemasons playground.

Huh?

[The Federalist Engineer]

I cannot disagree.

Why would MSU not recruit a top national prospect in Madison MS. It's not like he a was an unknown player. The 23rd player in the nation and 1st in the State

Of the top-4 2021 Mississippi Recruits that included Montgomery, Hunter Elliot, Brady Tygart ... MSU got Aaron Downs. Damn.

[basedog]

Time to move along. Portal and recruiting is done. Now it's up to Lemonis.......

[Pancho]

It's solely up to Parker and what he does with the pitchers. Lemo is there on the bucket and being a good PR guy and saying all the right coach speak phrases. It is what it is at this point.

[SPMT]

Why would MSU not recruit a top national prospect in Madison MS. It's not like he a was an unknown player. The 23rd player in the nation and 1st in the State

Of the top-4 2021 Mississippi Recruits that included Montgomery, Hunter Elliot, Brady Tygart ... MSU got Aaron Downs. Damn.

I honestly can?t think of a reason why we wouldn?t.

Pathetic if we really didn?t.

[Coach34]

Why would MSU not recruit a top national prospect in Madison MS. It's not like he a was an unknown player. The 23rd player in the nation and 1st in the State.

We obviously recruited him. Has it occurred to you he wanted to go out of state since the beginning?

[WSOPdawg]

Thank goodness the start of football season is only a couple weeks away... so that this thread can finally fall off the front page.

[AROB44]

Thank goodness the start of football season is only a couple weeks away... so that this thread can finally fall off the front page.

And the congregation said: Amen

[BuckyIsAB****]

Montgomery's family wanted him at State. They got the process going which hyped everybody. Montgomery didnt want to be in Mississippi tho- thats the bottom line. Which makes sense considering where he started his career.

If we arent trash 2 years in a row he is here

[Todd4State]

If we arent trash 2 years in a row he is here

LOL. We couldn't even get him to Starkville when we were going to Omaha three years in a row.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

LOL. We couldn't even get him to Starkville when we were going to Omaha three years in a row.

I love how it went from "BM is coming here and is silently commited" to all of the sudden "there's literally no way we could have landed him even in an alternative timeline"

[Pancho]

The fact still remains that MSU will have extreme difficulties landing what we call a top of the line portal guy at any position as long as Lemo is the head bucket sitter. We are staring at a situation where coach Parker is faced with needing to have 4 or 5 pitchers have breakout years similar to Pilkington, Small or Bednar.

[CaptainObvious]

Dang it. Sucked me back in.

Is it not only possible, but probably, that Lemo and a Foxhall recruited swing and miss pitchers to the old strike zone, and the teams that pitch it that way all flopped this past year due to the new tight strike zone? Maybe the smart hitting coaches told their guys to be patient because with the Umps being evaluated electronically, they aren?t going to call pitches 3-4 inches off the plate, and they are going force the pitchers to pitch between the top of the knee and the belt buckle to get called strikes, especially breaking balls.

I guess the walks stats might bare that out for the teams at the bottom 1/3 of the SEC.

[State82]

If Parker pulls this off he will be royalty in 'Vegas. I hope he is wearing a jeweled crown next summer.

[Coach34]

If Parker pulls this off he will be royalty in 'Vegas. I hope he is wearing a jeweled crown next summer.

Pulls what off? Coaches talented guys to get people out? We'll have at least 4 if not 6 pitchers drafted next summer.

[Cowbell]

Pulls what off? Coaches talented guys to get people out? We'll have at least 4 if not 6 pitchers drafted next summer.

You can't make this statement when you have placed blame on foxhall for not doing a good job

[Coach34]

You can't make this statement when you have placed blame on foxhall for not doing a good job

You can absolutely make that statement. Our talent has not lived up to it on the field with Foxy. I look for it to do so this Spring. 6 of our top 9 in IP's were Sophs and Freshmen. Just growing up some will improve the staff.

[Todd4State]

I love how it went from "BM is coming here and is silently commited" to all of the sudden "there's literally no way we could have landed him even in an alternative timeline"

I don't know who people use as sources but those that do claim that they got them from the coaches or people close to them. I don't doubt that really but even if that is the case I don't count people as in until they actually commit.

If the coaches heard from Braden's parents that he is coming and thought that he was coming here without talking to Braden first- then that's a mistake on their part.

Being from Madison- I had always heard that Braden was "different"- really into academics and didn't really give us or Ole Miss much time of the day. When I know that a kid is different I definitely don't count them in until the ink dries.

[Todd4State]

Dang it. Sucked me back in.

Is it not only possible, but probably, that Lemo and a Foxhall recruited swing and miss pitchers to the old strike zone, and the teams that pitch it that way all flopped this past year due to the new tight strike zone? Maybe the smart hitting coaches told their guys to be patient because with the Umps being evaluated electronically, they aren?t going to call pitches 3-4 inches off the plate, and they are going force the pitchers to pitch between the top of the knee and the belt buckle to get called strikes, especially breaking balls.

I guess the walks stats might bare that out for the teams at the bottom 1/3 of the SEC.

That still Foxhall's fault. Regardless of whether you are into analytics or not you still have to command the zone. That's a big difference between Bednar and Sims and our other guys the past few years- they could throw their fastball and breaking ball for strikes. You don't even have to be a smart hitting coach to tell guys to lay off spin if the pitcher can't ever throw it across the plate.