2016 MSU Football Recruiting Thread

[Raytoraid83]

Double post

[Raytoraid83]

Read on tRant that aj is meeting with Bianco today. Didn't aj refuse to meet with Cohen?

Barring something major, it's best just to accept the fact Mullen lost AJ.

[msstate7]

Barring something major, it's best just to accept the fact Mullen lost AJ.

Yeah, I've accepted it.

[ElitedawgRecruiting]

I have read some head scratching stuff but this got me scratching a hole in my head

[I seen it dawg]

Barring something major, it's best just to accept the fact Mullen lost AJ.

Boy you got the rest of that post off there quick. Damn good thing signing day wasn't yesterday. Whew.

[ElitedawgRecruiting]

And if you read it on the rant....... That's like saying I got kicked in the nuts but the swelling made me look bigger.

[msstate7]

And if you read it on the rant....... That's like saying I got kicked in the nuts but the swelling made me look bigger.

I thought tRant was the best source for recruiting haha

[Raytoraid83]

Boy you got the rest of that post off there quick. Damn good thing signing day wasn't yesterday. Whew.

What's recruiting season without over reactions?

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Forgive me if posted earlier. Didn't see it but Reese didn't go to FSU this weekend either. Looking good for us

[msstate7]

So are Simmons, Kobe, and aj living it up in Oxford?

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Probably safe to say so..... But why not live it up and then stick it to them on NSD!!

[msstate7]

Probably safe to say so..... But why not live it up and then stick it to them on NSD!!

Don't blame them a bit going there for a visit. Just hope we get 3 of knott, aj, Simmons, and Kobe...

[HancockCountyDog]

So are Simmons, Kobe, and aj living it up in Oxford?

You can wrap Kobe In Maroon and white. I'm hearing that so far he is just being polite, everyone knows where he is going.

[msstate7]

You can wrap Kobe In Maroon and white. I'm hearing that so far he is just being polite, everyone knows where he is going.

Good. Wish you'd wrap 2 more of that group in maroon and white now haha

[NeedMoreCowbell]

On a happier note, several Crystal Balls for Stewart Reese have appeared. I don't know too much about this croot but he's huge. 340 pounds. Does he project more as a OG or OT?

Any word on Lashley? He was visiting LSU this weekend and tripped to Bama earlier. Dammit we need to lock up these kids from the GTA.

[Bdawg]

On a happier note, several Crystal Balls for Stewart Reese have appeared. I don't know too much about this croot but he's huge. 340 pounds. Does he project more as a OG or OT?

Any word on Lashley? He was visiting LSU this weekend and tripped to Bama earlier. Dammit we need to lock up these kids from the GTA.
Think he projects as a guard. Some have him 3 star and some have him 4 star. Heard Steve say he is big road grader type in the same mold as Gabe Jackson. He cancelled his last 2 visits after visiting us. Announces Monday I believe and looks good for us.

[ShotgunDawg]

Robbie says it ain't over for AJ

[CadaverDawg]

See where Nigel Knott's mom just said he did NOT go to Bama last weekend. Said it was a false rumor. Said he will be choosing between Bama, Ole Miss, and State tomorrow.....anybody got any thoughts? I have no idea what to expect here...I still think it's State or Bama, but who knows. Early announcement makes me feel like Bama since Saban may not have a spot on NSD...but who knows.

[CadaverDawg]

Robbie says it ain't over for AJ

If we somehow were to get AJ, Simmons, Knott, Kobe, and Lashley....along with Reese, Cushenberry, & hang on to Farrar....Mullen is the man, and State fans should never be allowed to comment negatively on recruiting again.

[ElitedawgRecruiting]

And if he didn't get them all its not because he didn't do everything he could to land em all. Between all of us, I still ain't the least bit worried

[ShotgunDawg]

And if he didn't get them all its not because he didn't do everything he could to land em all. Between all of us, I still ain't the least bit worried

Good to hear...

I agree on not blaming Mullen if he doesn't get them all. Particularly with AJ, sometimes kids just want to leave their home towns for college & it's a tough thing to combat. Miami loses local kids all the time, Winston went to FSU instead of Bama when Bama is 20 minutes from Hueytown, Warrick Dunn is from Baton Rouge but went to FSU, Deshaun Watson is from a town that's 20 minutes from Athens, GA, & Auburn HS has lost players to Bama. It actually happens more often that you think and it happens to most all programs

Sometimes the hometown kids can be the toughest to recruit because they may just want to get out on their on & also familiarity breeds contempt. It stinks, but it is what it is.

[mic]

Good to hear...

I agree on not blaming Mullen if he doesn't get them all. Particularly with AJ, sometimes kids just want to leave their home towns for college & it's a tough thing to combat. Miami loses local kids all the time, Winston went to FSU instead of Bama when Bama is 20 minutes from Hueytown, Warrick Dunn is from Baton Rouge but went to FSU, Deshaun Watson is from a town that's 20 minutes from Athens, GA, & Auburn HS has lost players to Bama. It actually happens more often that you think and it happens to most all programs

Sometimes the hometown kids can be the toughest to recruit because they may just want to get out on their on & also familiarity breeds contempt. It stinks, but it is what it is.

Agree.. Have no issue if AJ goes to Bama.. Oxford , that's an issue ...

[Jacksondevildog]

Looks like John Michael Hankerson committed to Mullen this morning. Paul and Steve have confirmed. 2 star on Scout, 3 star on Rivals and 247. 4.28 40 yard dash. His dad ran track at MSU. (If y'all didn't know anything about him.)

[ShotgunDawg]

Looks like John Michael Hankerson committed to Mullen this morning. Paul and Steve have confirmed. 2 star on Scout, 3 star on Rivals and 247. 4.28 40 yard dash. His dad ran track at MSU. (If y'all didn't know anything about him.)

I believe Hankerson & AJ are either related or really good friends. I believe I read that somewhere.

[Jacksondevildog]

Hankerson's mother is AJ's god mother I believe. Or something like that.

[ShotgunDawg]

Hankerson's mother is AJ's god mother I believe. Or something like that.

Good. Well, hopefully Fairy god mother tells AJ that his ass better play for MSU & take care of her son

[ShotgunDawg]

Apparently Hankerson is actually AJ's cousin from South Bend.

So, does this pass the smell test?

"AJ Brown, a Starkville native, is going to pass up playing for a program on the rise where his cousin & possible roommate from South Bend Indiana has just committed to?" Then throw in that we are almost certainly getting local friends Kobe Jones, Lashley, & our basketball team signed maybe his best friend Tyson Carter.

I mean, call me skeptical at all these reports that MSU is no longer in it with AJ, but does that pass the common sense, smell test? Come on Mane

[msstate7]

Robbie says it ain't over for AJ

Odd timing... Aj in Oxford and all-the-sudden, Robbie feels better about aj. What gives?

[state66]

Is hankerson a brandon holloway clone thats 2" taller? Is he faster than holloway?

[Jacksondevildog]

Hankerson is 6-1. Holloway is 5-8. Not even the same type of body size/composition. He's already half a foot taller and 10lbs heavier than Holloway and it's February of his senior year in high school.

[msstate7]

Hankerson is 6-1. Holloway is 5-8. Not even the same type of body size/composition. He's already half a foot taller and 10lbs heavier than Holloway and it's February of his senior year in high school.

Wr or CB? Really hope he can play CB bc we need more speed in our secondary

[ScottH]

Robbie says it ain't over for AJ

Thread to tweet? I'm trying send to someone and cant find it. Thx.

[Jacksondevildog]

He will get looks at both, per his interview, but Gonzales recruited him and he will get first looks at WR.
Wr or CB? Really hope he can play CB bc we need more speed in our secondary

[Five-tool Poster]

Anybody else feel like we survived the big library weekend? That's kind of the feeling I'm getting.

[msstate7]

Anybody else feel like we survived the big library weekend? That's kind of the feeling I'm getting.

I'm not sure that weekend will ever be like it was in '13 again. I'm sure that weekend has more eyes on it than a casino floor these days

[Statefan]

Anybody else feel like we survived the big library weekend? That's kind of the feeling I'm getting.

I'm not sure the last time we had anyone flip during that weekend. Not CJ or Leo

[Dawgtini]

If we somehow were to get AJ, Simmons, Knott, Kobe, and Lashley....along with Reese, Cushenberry, & hang on to Farrar....Mullen is the man, and State fans should never be allowed to comment negatively on recruiting again.
Amen

[HancockCountyDog]

Bama just cut a kid, they are making space. I know everyone is talking bears, but our real threat to closing strong is Bama, not the bears.

[msstate7]

Bama just cut a kid, they are making space. I know everyone is talking bears, but our real threat to closing strong is Bama, not the bears.

Who'd they cut? We should probably call them whoever it is

[Covercorner2]

Who'd they cut? We should probably call them whoever it is

They cut a 3 star LB. probably because they are about to land 2, maybe 3, 5 star LBs (no joke). I don't think this kid has much of anything to do with kids we are after.

I did see, however, that Keith Gavin (a WR they were after hard) committed to FSU. So, either Bama isn't getting a stud "X" receiver, or AJ is going there. Hope it's the first scenario.

[NeshobaChuck]

Who did we just land?? Neil Stopczynski just tweeted #CLANGA #STATEsquad16 don't think he's talking about hankerson

[msstate7]

Mykel jones is getting CB'd to bama. Are jones and aj both takes for bama?

[state66]

Why hasnt cohen met with AJ and his dad? All cohen has to do is get in his car and drive 5 minutes to his house.

[maroonmania]

Robbie says it ain't over for AJ

Dag nab you Robbie and others. Everytime I reach the stage of acceptance you guys give me some sliver of hope and reel me back in. Its cruel I tell you, just cruel.

[I seen it dawg]

Why hasnt cohen met with AJ and his dad? All cohen has to do is get in his car and drive 5 minutes to his house.

Bc Cohen has nothing to ****ing do with this.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Mykel jones is getting CB'd to bama. Are jones and aj both takes for bama?

Oklahoma boards are saying Jones showed up in Norman this weekend. Said he was supposed to visit Oxford, but came up there instead. They said he was unsure if Bama or OM would have room for him as to the reason he showed up. It's either that, or he didn't like the news that came out Friday. Let's hope that's what it was and he wasn't the only one. You know that won't be reported by the Yancy's of the world though.

Also saw this on Okie board.....ZachGivens wrote:– UPDATE (Sat., 4:57 pm): An interesting development regarding Miss. State WR commit, Zach Farrar. We have been told that the Sooners have agreed to let Zach play baseball his first year, something Miss. State had already promised. Farrar is actually touring (by now he may have completed the tour) the baseball facilities today. This one is looking good for the Sooners.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Where's IYOK? Haven't had an update lately. Need some accurate intel.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

He left Oklahoma still committed to MSU. Oklahoma actually has another WR on campus today, Mykel Jones, so that's encouraging.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

There he is....always lurking in the shadows. ha. What else do you know? Going to be a long few days until Wednesday!

Let me ask you this too....dead period starts tonight? Midnight? And the only contact coaches can have from here on out is by telephone?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

There he is....always lurking in the shadows. ha. What else do you know? Going to be a long few days until Wednesday!

Let me ask you this too....dead period starts tonight? Midnight? And the only contact coaches can have from here on out is by telephone?

Any contact is allowed just not face to face.

[HancockCountyDog]

OU is expecting a commit tonight, if it is from Mykel Jones, we could be in the clear with Farrar.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

OU is expecting a commit tonight, if it is from Mykel Jones, we could be in the clear with Farrar.

Yep Jones would close the book on Oklahoma WR class. Would be a big huge win for the staff.

[HancockCountyDog]

Yep Jones would close the book on Oklahoma WR class. Would be a big huge win for the staff.

I thought so too, but one of the OU writers on twitter is saying they would take two.

I still think that we keep him. I've changed my mind on him.

[chef dixon]

I thought so too, but one of the OU writers on twitter is saying they would take two.

I still think that we keep him. I've changed my mind on him.

Yea it seems to me that he's pretty comfortable with his commitment to us. Hopefully that stays true.

[Really Clark?]

Don't know if y'all want this info here but Knott announces tomorrow at 1:30 and Reese announces tomorrow as well. No time set. Lashley announces on Tues at 4.

[msstate7]

Don't know if y'all want this info here but Knott announces tomorrow at 1:30 and Reese announces tomorrow as well. No time set. Lashley announces on Tues at 4.

What's everyone's final prediction on knott? I'm going bama as much as I hate it

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Well it was Farrar who committed not Jones.

[HancockCountyDog]

Don't know if y'all want this info here but Knott announces tomorrow at 1:30 and Reese announces tomorrow as well. No time set. Lashley announces on Tues at 4.

Good news on Reese.

I'm not sure what to think on Knott. Let's see if it happens. The longer it goes, better for us, it means no commitable Bama offer. If he does commit tomorrow, I have to think that favors Bama.

Pay attention to Shy Carter, if he goes to Bama as most expect, that should push Knott to us.

[HancockCountyDog]

I thought so too, but one of the OU writers on twitter is saying they would take two.

I still think that we keep him. I've changed my mind on him.

I look ****ing stupid. That really hurt.

[msstate7]

Well it was Farrar who committed not Jones.

This party is just getting started... I think we're about to get our clock cleaned this week

[Ifyouonlyknew]

This party is just getting started... I think we're about to get our clock cleaned this week

Boy that optimism left quick. Lol

[msstate7]

Boy that optimism left quick. Lol

I haven't been optimistic on anything but oline recruiting lately

[msstate7]

Need to call the lb that bama processed and offer

[Really Clark?]

That one stings but one I was afraid of. I do want to see what happens with Mykel Jones and if he is going to OU as well.

[ShotgunDawg]

Farrar is the type of recruit that we lose because we don't generally cheat at a high level.

Once Farrar was offered by Oklahoma, it should have been obvious that he'd flip. Oklahoma is 2 1/2 hours from his high school and Starkville is 8 1/2. The kid also grew up an Oklahoma fan. It makes perfect sense to me that he'd flip. The only way he doesnt is if we are cheating our asses off.

Now, how you get kids out of Allen high school that have offers from those same schools, I have no clue.

Farrah flipping makes sense. Not sure what our coaches could do.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Farrah flipping makes sense. Not sure what our coaches could do.


There was nothing else our coaches could have done. Same would have happened to OM coaches. The difference is OM's network would have done their part to keep him. That's the difference in the two programs right now.

[ShotgunDawg]

To add and didn't want to say anything as long as he was committed us, but Farrar isn't a very good baseball player and probably won't play at Oklahoma. He's not a D1 caliber baseball player. Oklahoma will let him play early though just so they could get him.

[msstate7]

If Reese picks Syracuse tomorrow, I'm shooting my phone with a .270 and not replacing it till Thursday... My vow to not melt is getting tough haha

[ShotgunDawg]

There was nothing else our coaches could have done. Same would have happened to OM coaches. The difference is OM's network would have done their part to keep him. That's the difference in the two programs right now.

Agree but we aren't cheating our asses off.

It's tough to compete in this conference without cheating. Damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

[ShotgunDawg]

If Reese picks Syracuse tomorrow, I'm shooting my phone with a .270 and not replacing it till Thursday... My vow to not melt is getting tough haha

Dude, college football is a rigged sport where only cheaters win. Don't go over board with it. I've made that mistake and it just isn't worth it. Bama people are no happier than us.

[Jacksondevildog]

I think we are around 13 decommitments for the 2016 class. That shit is crazy.

Maybe someone can help me:

Robert Washington
Scott Lashley
Tre Turner
Briston Guidry
Zach Farrar
Raekwon Davis
Zaire Jones

[maroonmania]

Farrar is the type of recruit that we lose because we don't generally cheat at a high level.

Once Farrar was offered by Oklahoma, it should have been obvious that he'd flip. Oklahoma is 2 1/2 hours from his high school and Starkville is 8 1/2. The kid also grew up an Oklahoma fan. It makes perfect sense to me that he'd flip. The only way he doesnt is if we are cheating our asses off.

Now, how you get kids out of Allen high school that have offers from those same schools, I have no clue.

Farrah flipping makes sense. Not sure what our coaches could do.

Just makes getting AJ that much more important. However, the deck seems to be stacked against us on that one as well.

[msstate7]

Not bringing turner in for an OV and not getting mcinnis could turn out to be mistakes

[CadaverDawg]

We should offer Lorenzo Dantzler tonight. We clearly have room, he's a solid hard working player, & he's buddies with AJ. Worst case scenario, we don't get AJ but we end up with a guy looking to prove he's an SEC player & plays over his head.

[HoopsDawg]

We should offer Lorenzo Dantzler tonight. We clearly have room, he's a solid hard working player, & he's buddies with AJ. Worst case scenario, we don't get AJ but we end up with a guy looking to prove he's an SEC player & plays over his head.

Nah.

[CadaverDawg]

Nah.

We have lesser players with offers &/or committed. And we signed lesser players in each of the last 3 classes. We also had people saying "nah" to Dylan Bradley as well. Guess in 2 years when Dantzler is USM's best defensive player, I can bring him up again like I am Bradley this year.

[mic]

We have lesser players with offers &/or committed. And we signed lesser players in each of the last 3 classes. We also had people saying "nah" to Dylan Bradley as well. Guess in 2 years when Dantzler is USM's best defensive player, I can bring him up again like I am Bradley this year.

I agree .. Much rather use a scholarship on a player like this or a OL..

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

So we are going to be lucky to have a class ranked in the 30's coming off two good seasons. Oof

[yjnkdawg]

Agree but we aren't cheating our asses off.

It's tough to compete in this conference without cheating. Damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.


We just got off of NCAA probation this past summer I believe. Why don't we see what happens to Ole Miss? Could get very interesting when OM receives "all" their recrutiing violations.

[preachermatt83]

We should offer Lorenzo Dantzler tonight. We clearly have room, he's a solid hard working player, & he's buddies with AJ. Worst case scenario, we don't get AJ but we end up with a guy looking to prove he's an SEC player & plays over his head.

I agree!

[Bothrops]

Pretty freaking pitiful is what it is. It's as if we lack modern facilities or weight room. No one can convince me that everyone else would have this much trouble getting players here. I'm not sure anybody would.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

if it would help with Willie Gay and others, I say do it. There's still time though. This time tomorrow may be the time to think about panicking.

[Really Clark?]

Kobe left his visit at UNM today and went to talk with our coaches this afternoon. We have offered a JUCO DE/OL Gary McRae, former Georgia commit tonight. I think after Farrar.

[djaymsu5]

Pretty freaking pitiful is what it is. It's as if we lack modern facilities or weight room. No one can convince me that everyone else would have this much trouble getting players here. I'm not sure anybody would.

It's cause there isn't shit to do in Starkville. Other than bulldog bash or super bull dog weekend there is literally nothing to do. I hate to say this cause I've been a state fan my whole life but when we have big recruiting weekends the recruits don't have anything to do really. I wish Starkville would build more shit and have more stuff to do. The population isn't that great there so I understand it is what it is. But unless we are paying the shit out of these players we will never have. Great recruiting class I'm sorry but that's the truth. Last years class was the best I can remember in a long time if not ever since Sherrill was here.

[CadaverDawg]

Kobe left his visit at UNM today and went to talk with our coaches this afternoon. We have offered a JUCO DE/OL Gary McRae, former Georgia commit tonight. I think after Farrar.

See, I'd rather have Dantzler...especially since it appears we may need some help recruiting our own city.

[CadaverDawg]

It's cause there isn't shit to do in Starkville. Other than bulldog bash or super bull dog weekend there is literally nothing to do. I hate to say this cause I've been a state fan my whole life but when we have big recruiting weekends the recruits don't have anything to do really. I wish Starkville would build more shit and have more stuff to do. The population isn't that great there so I understand it is what it is. But unless we are paying the shit out of these players we will never have. Great recruiting class I'm sorry but that's the truth. Last years class was the best I can remember in a long time if not ever since Sherrill was here.

Garbage. Starkville is no worse than Oxford...they just know how to talk themselves up, so they have a false perception. We have posts like this while OM fans are busy posting how incredible their town is. That's the difference...we do ourselves zero favors.

[Bothrops]

It's cause there isn't shit to do in Starkville. Other than bulldog bash or super bull dog weekend there is literally nothing to do. I hate to say this cause I've been a state fan my whole life but when we have big recruiting weekends the recruits don't have anything to do really. I wish Starkville would build more shit and have more stuff to do. The population isn't that great there so I understand it is what it is. But unless we are paying the shit out of these players we will never have. Great recruiting class I'm sorry but that's the truth. Last years class was the best I can remember in a long time if not ever since Sherrill was here.

There's literally NOTHING more to do in Oxford than in Starkville. That is OM propaganda bullshit. Football players are too busy to **** around in the grove, or bars anyway. It's not a factor.

[HoopsDawg]

We have lesser players with offers &/or committed. And we signed lesser players in each of the last 3 classes. We also had people saying "nah" to Dylan Bradley as well. Guess in 2 years when Dantzler is USM's best defensive player, I can bring him up again like I am Bradley this year.

We've covered this before. Completely different situation than Bradley. It would not help us with AJ.

[Bothrops]

The only thing Oxford has that Starkville lacks is a modern department store. That's quite the attraction for players**

[CadaverDawg]

We've covered this before. Completely different situation than Bradley. It would not help us with AJ.

#1. You don't know that.

#2. Even if it doesn't, it could help us with SHS kids the next few years.

#3. Dantzler is a good player. Better than reaching for some 2 star Juco career bench warmer.

#4. I bet you didn't want Bradley either.

It's not all about AJ.

[bobcat91]

See, I'd rather have Dantzler...especially since it appears we may need some help recruiting our own city.

McCrae was committed to Georgia and has offers from Louisville and Mich State. Just no on Dantzler

[Really Clark?]

Paul reports that Kobe didn't speak with UNM media after he left and he was not wowed on his visit. Spent a couple of hours with our coaches this afternoon.

[djaymsu5]

Garbage. Starkville is no worse than Oxford...they just know how to talk themselves up, so they have a false perception. We have posts like this while OM fans are busy posting how incredible their town is. That's the difference...we do ourselves zero favors.

I'm not saying there is anything to do in Oxford either I'm just talking about Starkville. Do y'all not agree that there should be more to do there?

[HoopsDawg]

#1. You don't know that.

#2. Even if it doesn't, it could help us with SHS kids the next few years.

#3. Dantzler is a good player. Better than reaching for some 2 star Juco career bench warmer.

#4. I bet you didn't want Bradley either.

It's not all about AJ.

Again, we covered this and I was a big Bradley fan. I know it makes sense in your head but please stop.

[CadaverDawg]

McCrae was committed to Georgia and has offers from Louisville and Mich State. Just no on Dantzler

I wasn't talking about him. I was just making an example of our typical late pickups to fill lost spots

[HoopsDawg]

Paul reports that Kobe didn't speak with UNM media after he left and he was not wowed on his visit. Spent a couple of hours with our coaches this afternoon.

Kobe is a bulldog and has a lot of hometown pride. He loves Starkville. We will develop him into an All SEC Dlinemen before he graduates.

[djaymsu5]

McCrae was committed to Georgia and has offers from Louisville and Mich State. Just no on Dantzler

Yea McRae was a 4 star out of high school that didn't qualify because of grades. Seems to be one of Buckleys guys from when he was at Louisville. I think it would be a steal to snag this kid. Could turn out to be a big get for us. I'm not opposed to Dantzler either though I think with a couple years in the weight room and the right coaching he could be a diamond in the rough for sure.

[CadaverDawg]

Again, we covered this and I was a big Bradley fan. I know it makes sense in your head but please stop.

I don't know who you think you are, but you don't get to tell me when to stop. You aren't the recruiting guru. I have my opinions, so unless Dantzler carries baggage, I stand by what I say.

If there's more to Dantzler, say it or PM me. Otherwise feel free to disagree, but don't try acting like you can see the future.

[Bothrops]

I'm not saying there is anything to do in Oxford either I'm just talking about Starkville. Do y'all not agree that there should be more to do there?

I'd love for there to be more to do, but unfortunately, the population of Starkville is just south of 25k permanent residents. Businesses are gonna struggle to survive when kids aren't in school.

[Really Clark?]

McRae is on campus right now after he returned from Louisville. He also received a late offer from TN. He has 3 to play 3 as well

[Bdawg]

It's cause there isn't shit to do in Starkville. Other than bulldog bash or super bull dog weekend there is literally nothing to do. I hate to say this cause I've been a state fan my whole life but when we have big recruiting weekends the recruits don't have anything to do really. I wish Starkville would build more shit and have more stuff to do. The population isn't that great there so I understand it is what it is. But unless we are paying the shit out of these players we will never have. Great recruiting class I'm sorry but that's the truth. Last years class was the best I can remember in a long time if not ever since Sherrill was here.

Of course they think their place is better. When everyone is running around on coke and dope, they don't know any better.

[Raytoraid83]

Does the McCrae offer have anything to do with Simmons or because of the spot farrar opened up? Seems strange a de would take a wr spot

[Bdawg]

I'm not saying there is anything to do in Oxford either I'm just talking about Starkville. Do y'all not agree that there should be more to do there?

Like what? More bars? Cause that's all UNM prides itself on. Oh they will tell you they are a classy bunch and so sophisticated, but real person with class wouldn't have to tell you that. They have nothing to offer that State doesn't. Been there and done that in both places.

[msstate7]

Does the McCrae offer have anything to do with Simmons or because of the spot farrar opened up? Seems strange a de would take a wr spot

Turnier's spot most likely, right?

[Really Clark?]

Does the McCrae offer have anything to do with Simmons or because of the spot farrar opened up? Seems strange a de would take a wr spot

Nothing to do with Simmons. And McRae is a tweener OLB/DE. This is a best available deal. And on Simmons, the staff has been speaking with him and his mom this weekend. He will let all the coaches know his decision before signing day.

[Raytoraid83]

Nothing to do with Simmons. And McRae is a tweener OLB/DE. This is a best available deal. And on Simmons, the staff has been speaking with him and his mom this weekend. He will let all the coaches know his decision before signing day.
Good to hear

[mic]

Take them ALL .. McCrae, Kobe, Dantlzer even if we do get Simmons....
We HAVE to get better UP front on both sides of the ball...

[Noxdog]

Pretty freaking pitiful is what it is. It's as if we lack modern facilities or weight room. No one can convince me that everyone else would have this much trouble getting players here. I'm not sure anybody would.

You do realize why that is, right?

Hint... it aint Mullen.

[Statefan]

It's cause there isn't shit to do in Starkville. Other than bulldog bash or super bull dog weekend there is literally nothing to do. I hate to say this cause I've been a state fan my whole life but when we have big recruiting weekends the recruits don't have anything to do really. I wish Starkville would build more shit and have more stuff to do. The population isn't that great there so I understand it is what it is. But unless we are paying the shit out of these players we will never have. Great recruiting class I'm sorry but that's the truth. Last years class was the best I can remember in a long time if not ever since Sherrill was here.


Doesn't the fact that we recruit at an elite level in baseball and soon to be basketball dispute this completely??

[maroonmania]

I'm not saying there is anything to do in Oxford either I'm just talking about Starkville. Do y'all not agree that there should be more to do there?

No doubt it could be much better but yes, Starkville is still a mostly rural town but it is leaps and bounds better than it was 20 to 30 years ago. And it seems to be fine to attract top quality basketball and baseball players as Cohen and Howland are showing. Lack of "hotspots" in and around Starkville is a factor in recruiting for some prospects but I personally don't believe its anywhere near our biggest problem. I really don't want to say anymore on this particular topic until after signing day but I definitely think our coaches could improve their recruiting methods.

[Thompson92]

If the town had anything to do with it, OM, Bama, and TAMU, to name a few, would be recruiting at a much lower level.

[ScottH]

Doesn't the fact that we recruit at an elite level in baseball and soon to be basketball dispute this completely??

Great question. I have been asking this.

Howland has actually embraced that the small town atmosphere is great and pimps it in his, Korey's and George's sales pitch.

[Really Clark?]

Reese will announce tomorrow between 1-2 at his school

[CadaverDawg]

Rosebowl saying AJ has us 3rd, Simmons nobody knows, Knott to Bama or State, Lashley & Jones to State.

Looking like Jones & Lashley are a real possibility of being our only 2 of the big 5.

Getting Simmons and/or Knott would be big.

[msstate7]

Rosebowl saying AJ has us 3rd, Simmons nobody knows, Knott to Bama or State, Lashley & Jones to State.

Looking like Jones & Lashley are a real possibility of being our only 2 of the big 5.

Give me jones, lashley, and 1 of the other 3... I'll take it and be happy at this point

[CadaverDawg]

Give me jones, lashley, and 1 of the other 3... I'll take it and be happy at this point

Yea, I'm really hoping Steve is just angry that AJ won't talk to him at this point. His lack of knowledge on anything regarding AJ, Simmons, & Knott makes me wonder if he is in the loop at all this year. Every time I ask my buddy for Steve's updates, It seems like Steve is saying the same things...that he doesn't know shit. Hopefully that's a good sign considering the few things he IS saying, ha

[state66]

We straight got our asses kicked in recruiting this go around.

[Really Clark?]

We straight got our asses kicked in recruiting this go around.

The bill is due Wednesday. That's when we will know. Definite statements like this was like calling a game in the first quarter this year. Didn't always end up like we thought. I think it is an unusual boom or bust year for us. Hasn't happened under Mullen like this. With bringing in 1 guy this weekend, Hankerson, the coaches felt very strongly on where they stood. Let's see if they were right in the end or being played.

[bobcat91]

Yea, I'm really hoping Steve is just angry that AJ won't talk to him at this point. His lack of knowledge on anything regarding AJ, Simmons, & Knott makes me wonder if he is in the loop at all this year. Every time I ask my buddy for Steve's updates, It seems like Steve is saying the same things...that he doesn't know shit. Hopefully that's a good sign considering the few things he IS saying, ha

Steve has no ins with the staff because he cant keep his damn mouth shut and has to break the story before 24/7. That's why he gets zero info and is left out in the cold. Sucks for him but it's the price to pay for wanting to be a big shot when a kid or the staff told you to hold something.

[CadaverDawg]

Hopefully we're already recruiting Kylin Hill, Willie Gay, & CJ Avery pretty hard. They're on Twitter saying they are going to play college ball together.

(Not that it matters if we're already on them...apparently it only takes a day or two for our opponents to wipe out a full year of recruiting & having guys on campus watching practice.) Joking...sort of

[CadaverDawg]

Steve has no ins with the staff because he cant keep his damn mouth shut and has to break the story before 24/7. That's why he gets zero info and is left out in the cold. Sucks for him but it's the price to pay for wanting to be a big shot when a kid or the staff told you to hold something.

I definitely hope that's the case this year. We need at least 1 or 2 of Simmons, Brown, Knott.

[defiantdog]

Rosebowl saying AJ has us 3rd, Simmons nobody knows, Knott to Bama or State, Lashley & Jones to State.

Looking like Jones & Lashley are a real possibility of being our only 2 of the big 5.

Getting Simmons and/or Knott would be big.
Steve has no idea about AJ

[Commercecomet24]

Steve has no idea about AJ

Does anyone know but AJ? He's had one of the strangest recruitments I've ever seen. He will probably surprise everyone and go to cal. Be sure good for him to stay in Starkville!

[djaymsu5]

No doubt it could be much better but yes, Starkville is still a mostly rural town but it is leaps and bounds better than it was 20 to 30 years ago. And it seems to be fine to attract top quality basketball and baseball players as Cohen and Howland are showing. Lack of "hotspots" in and around Starkville is a factor in recruiting for some prospects but I personally don't believe its anywhere near our biggest problem. I really don't want to say anymore on this particular topic until after signing day but I definitely think our coaches could improve their recruiting methods.

Fair! I was just asking a general question but I agree I think our coaches should improve the recruiting methods. After all even Howland said "Recruiting" is the lifeblood of any program. Until Mullen understands that I think we will see similar results.

[Bothrops]

Does anyone know when we started recruiting Derrick Brown? Since he was a legacy and all, I would hope that we started early in his varsity career. But I doubt it.

[djaymsu5]

If the town had anything to do with it, OM, Bama, and TAMU, to name a few, would be recruiting at a much lower level.

Well there is a little more to do in Tuscaloosa but the only difference in Oxfart and Starkville is they have the square with more than likely more bars and we have the cotton district. I have no idea about College Station. I'm assuming you know

[djaymsu5]

Like what? More bars? Cause that's all UNM prides itself on. Oh they will tell you they are a classy bunch and so sophisticated, but real person with class wouldn't have to tell you that. They have nothing to offer that State doesn't. Been there and done that in both places.

Well technically yes more bars wouldn't hurt. Idk about you but most college kids like to party. That's what they want to do on these recruiting visits. I'm not saying we need to be doing what the Bears are doing obviously but more stuff for college kids to do since it's a true college town. I have had friends go to all different college towns and with a non biased answer most will tell you Starkville would rank close to last of having shit to do.

[Thompson92]

Well there is a little more to do in Tuscaloosa but the only difference in Oxfart and Starkville is they have the square with more than likely more bars and we have the cotton district. I have no idea about College Station. I'm assuming you know

Maybe there's something about Starkville that rubs recruits the wrong way, I don't know. It's just mystifying to me that we can't seem to recruit in football like we can in baseball and basketball.

[ShotgunDawg]

I wonder if getting blown out at home, on big recruiting weekends, hurt this year?

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

David Johnson just hinted at Knott making a decision at 1:30 today.

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

I wonder if getting blown out at home, on big recruiting weekends, hurt this year?

I would think our constant staff turnover is what is hurting us the most.

[I seen it dawg]

How about save all this shit until Wednesday after lunch for **** sakes.

[ElitedawgRecruiting]

Seriously. Bash the Bears all you want but they don't attack their own like we do. Calm down. This has been the worst recruiting cycle for our fans ever. Goes back to the old saying, I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you

[Shooter McGavin]

How about save all this shit until Wednesday after lunch for **** sakes.

Yep. In fact after IYOK and Elitedawgsrecruiting post their final predictions today, I'll probably check out until Wednesday. No matter how it finishes for us, this recruiting season can't end fast enough

[louisvilledawg]

I definitely hope that's the case this year. We need at least 1 or 2 of Simmons, Brown, Knott.

I would love that, but regarding knott I have seen zero things about him maybe choosing msu (Everything i've seen has bama, oregon, or ole miss so if there is something in writing about us, i would love to see it)

I think we have a 0% chance on simmons. I posted a few weeks ago about why simmons isn't coming here. It got edited by coach citing "we dont talk about 'recruiting' on this board"

Hope AJ just been playing everybody and goes with us. If he commits to ole miss at SHS, think boos may rain down on him.

[mic]

I would love that, but regarding knott I have seen zero things about him maybe choosing msu (Everything i've seen has bama, oregon, or ole miss so if there is something in writing about us, i would love to see it)

I think we have a 0% chance on simmons. I posted a few weeks ago about why simmons isn't coming here. It got edited by coach citing "we dont talk about 'recruiting' on this board"

Hope AJ just been playing everybody and goes with us. If he commits to ole miss at SHS, think boos may rain down on him.

We had better shot at Knott than Umiss.. .. That's just UMiss being UMiss...

[CadaverDawg]

I would love that, but regarding knott I have seen zero things about him maybe choosing msu (Everything i've seen has bama, oregon, or ole miss so if there is something in writing about us, i would love to see it)

I think we have a 0% chance on simmons. I posted a few weeks ago about why simmons isn't coming here. It got edited by coach citing "we dont talk about 'recruiting' on this board"

Hope AJ just been playing everybody and goes with us. If he commits to ole miss at SHS, think boos may rain down on him.

Knott eliminated Oregon, and has it down to us, OM, & Bama. He skipped his last visit to Bama, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Ole Miss feels confident, but what's new. Hopefully Buckley has had a big impact. It didn't help us with Knott when we lost DeShea though.

[defiantdog]

I would love that, but regarding knott I have seen zero things about him maybe choosing msu (Everything i've seen has bama, oregon, or ole miss so if there is something in writing about us, i would love to see it)

I think we have a 0% chance on simmons. I posted a few weeks ago about why simmons isn't coming here. It got edited by coach citing "we dont talk about 'recruiting' on this board"

Hope AJ just been playing everybody and goes with us. If he commits to ole miss at SHS, think boos may rain down on him.

SHS has a certain coach that might wear red and blue for the hat ceremony. It's pretty disgusting.

[jumbo]

Just offered this guy....WR from New Jersey

http://247sports.com/Player/Kelvin-Harmon-45469

[defiantdog]

Knott eliminated Oregon, and has it down to us, OM, & Bama. He skipped his last visit to Bama, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Ole Miss feels confident, but what's new. Hopefully Buckley has had a big impact. It didn't help us with Knott when we lost DeShea though.
Don't agree with Deshea. Buckley has recruited Knott harder since he got here. Also, Sirmon is a go getter. He was jumping all over Willie Gay on junior day.

[HancockCountyDog]

Knott eliminated Oregon, and has it down to us, OM, & Bama. He skipped his last visit to Bama, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Ole Miss feels confident, but what's new. Hopefully Buckley has had a big impact. It didn't help us with Knott when we lost DeShea though.

OM people are all conceding him to Bama.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Just offered this guy....WR from New Jersey

http://247sports.com/Player/Kelvin-Harmon-45469

Damn and he's announcing TODAY!!

[CadaverDawg]

Just offered this guy....WR from New Jersey

http://247sports.com/Player/Kelvin-Harmon-45469

Sounds like we've conceded

[CadaverDawg]

SHS has a certain coach that might wear red and blue for the hat ceremony. It's pretty disgusting.

So does that mean AJ & Kobe?

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Sounds like we've conceded

Agreed, I think the only question is how bad is it going to get on Wednesday afternoon. If it's bama, it's one thing...

[defiantdog]

Damn and he's announcing TODAY!!
miami bound

[defiantdog]

Sirmon is making a push for Riley Cole

[defiantdog]

So does that mean AJ & Kobe?

Nothing.... He's just one of those coaches.

[HancockCountyDog]

So does that mean AJ & Kobe?

Kobe is signing with MSU.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

miami bound

So why the late offer?

[CadaverDawg]

Agreed, I think the only question is how bad is it going to get on Wednesday afternoon. If it's bama, it's one thing...

Yea. I'm not in the camp where I'll be ok with guys going to Bama over OM....bc either way, both of those teams could stop recruiting right now and finish with top 10 classes. We have to hope for Kobe & Lashley to get top 45. Pathetic.

Starz are not everything. In fact, I don't think there's a ton of difference btwn say a #8 class and a #15 class...but there damn sure is a big difference between a top 3 class and #45 class. There's no debating that shit.

Ole Miss & Bama aren't the only two games on the schedule, but it's hard not to compare to their classes when we have to play them every single year, as well as every other West team that is recruiting better than us (all of them).

[Covercorner2]

So why the late offer?

Because we had a guy flip last night.

[defiantdog]

So why the late offer?
We want 3 receivers in this class

[louisvilledawg]

Sirmon is making a push for Riley Cole

So is Bob Stoops. I can't stand that guy. Already offered him a scholly

[CadaverDawg]

Oh, and not to be all negative, but I keep hearing all this shit about "watch out for our 2017 class"....tell me why I should think we'll land all these prospects with "in roads to MSU" next year, when we failed to get any of the prospects with "in roads to MSU" this year? If we miss out of AJ, Simmons, & Knott, y'all can have 2017 recruiting, bc I'm not falling for this shit again. Not the way we close on prospects.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Yea. I'm not in the camp where I'll be ok with guys going to Bama over OM....bc either way, both of those teams could stop recruiting right now and finish with top 10 classes. We have to hope for Kobe & Lashley to get top 45. Pathetic.

Starz are not everything. In fact, I don't think there's a ton of difference btwn say a #8 class and a #15 class...but there damn sure is a big difference between a top 3 class and #45 class. There's no debating that shit.

Ole Miss & Bama aren't the only two games on the schedule, but it's hard not to compare to their classes when we have to play them every single year, as well as every other West team that is recruiting better than us (all of them).

I'm not ok with it, but it's a little easier pill to swallow.

Agreed on the ranking number...with the current numbers in the class, we're really going to have to hope most of these guys work out and contribute.

[Dawgology]

Oh, and not to be all negative, but I keep hearing all this shit about "watch out for our 2017 class"....tell me why I should think we'll land all these prospects with "in roads to MSU" next year, when we failed to get any of the prospects with "in roads to MSU" this year? If we miss out of AJ, Simmons, & Knott, y'all can have 2017 recruiting, bc I'm not falling for this shit again. Not the way we close on prospects.

We talk about "connections" for 2017 when we couldn't hold on to the 5 guys within 20 miles of our campus. That is bad, bad news folks. Really bad news. Something is broken in the recruiting process for us.

[Really Clark?]

Kobe is signing with MSU.

Yes. And like I posted last night, his visit did NOT go well at UNM and they came to our coaches and spent a few hours here yesterday.

[civildawg]

We talk about "connections" for 2017 when we couldn't hold on to the 5 guys within 20 miles of our campus. That is bad, bad news folks. Really bad news. Something is broken in the recruiting process for us.

Preach

[ShotgunDawg]

Yes. And like I posted last night, his visit did NOT go well at UNM and they came to our coaches and spent a few hours here yesterday.

What I don't really understand is, why hasn't Kobe helped more with AJ? Are they friends?

[defiantdog]

Preach
The 2017 guys are all MSU leans. The local 2016 guys were never leans except for Jones and Lashley. Apples to oranges.

[CadaverDawg]

It literally could not have set up better for us....

We were #1 in the Nation last year.
We lost our top WR after the season. A guy that is going pro early.
We lost BOTH CB's. Both will be NFL picks.
We lost our best DT. A guy that is going pro early.

We have a bad ass WR in Starkville that can step right into DeRunnya's spot.
We have a bad ass CB in MS whose sis is at MSU, & can compete for a CB spot right away.
We have a bad ass DT 20 miles from campus that can play day 1.

Result.....we get none of them?

If that happens, we can try to paint as rosey a picture as possible, but that's ****ing awful and embarrassing, and someone didn't do their job. I don't give a rats ass if a player wanted to leave the State. Has a salesperson ever sold you something you didn't exactly need? You can't just mail someone a brochure & expect that to seal the deal. You gotta work, just like you tell the players they'll have to do.

(I'm using the brochure thing as an example, not saying we actually do that. Since I know somebody will take that literally.)

[defiantdog]

What I don't really understand is, why hasn't Kobe helped more with AJ? Are they friends?

AJ and Tyson Carter are best friends.

[ShotgunDawg]

AJ and Tyson Carter are best friends.

I know. The AJ recruitment just doesn't add up. AJ and Hankerson are related.

[CadaverDawg]

If Mullen pulls off AJ, Simmons, Jones, and Lashley after all the negative reports we're hearing on AJ & Simmons....put a statue up and I'm never questioning his ass again.*

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

The 2017 guys are all MSU leans. The local 2016 guys were never leans except for Jones and Lashley. Apples to oranges.

Why aren't we ever consistent year to year with this stuff? It seems like every other year is they year for our "connections" in the state?

[ElitedawgRecruiting]

Uh we lost Farrar. They wanted two 6'3 or larger receivers.

[Really Clark?]

If Mullen pulls off AJ, Simmons, Jones, and Lashley after all the negative reports we're hearing on AJ & Simmons....put a statue up and I'm never questioning his ass again.*

Well we got 2 of them so I far. Simmons is a hard read but I still like our position on him. AJ is the longest shot, IMO.

[mic]

Heard Sirmon started following the Riley kid that decommtted from Bama on Twitter..
Get him in.. Kid will play with a chip on his shoulder..

[maroonmania]

Seriously. Bash the Bears all you want but they don't attack their own like we do. Calm down. This has been the worst recruiting cycle for our fans ever. Goes back to the old saying, I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you

I'm sorry, I don't see any MSU fans bashing each other in this thread. Could some of this discussion wait until after Wednesday? Yes. But right now MSU fans are all pretty much in the same boat trying to understand, after all the on-field success and facility upgrades of the past few years, why we are we not able to recruit at a higher level? Especially with the top guys in our home state. Its a more than valid concern right now and has nothing to do with anyone attacking someone. And this has been the worst recruiting cycle for our fans (and for MSU) because it doesn't appears its going to meet reasonable expectations.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

I'm sorry, I don't see any MSU fans bashing each other in this thread. Could some of this discussion wait until after Wednesday? Yes. But right now MSU fans are all pretty much in the same boat trying to understand, after all the on-field success and facility upgrades of the past few years, why we are we not able to recruit at a higher level? Especially with the top guys in our home state. Its a more than valid concern right now and has nothing to do with anyone attacking someone. And this has been the worst recruiting cycle for our fans (and for MSU) because it doesn't appears its going to meet reasonable expectations.

AMEN!!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to maroonmania again.

[BoomBoom]

It literally could not have set up better for us....

We were #1 in the Nation last year.
We lost our top WR after the season. A guy that is going pro early.
We lost BOTH CB's. Both will be NFL picks.
We lost our best DT. A guy that is going pro early.

We have a bad ass WR in Starkville that can step right into DeRunnya's spot.
We have a bad ass CB in MS whose sis is at MSU, & can compete for a CB spot right away.
We have a bad ass DT 20 miles from campus that can play day 1.

Result.....we get none of them?

If that happens, we can try to paint as rosey a picture as possible, but that's ****ing awful and embarrassing, and someone didn't do their job. I don't give a rats ass if a player wanted to leave the State. Has a salesperson ever sold you something you didn't exactly need? You can't just mail someone a brochure & expect that to seal the deal. You gotta work, just like you tell the players they'll have to do.

(I'm using the brochure thing as an example, not saying we actually do that. Since I know somebody will take that literally.)

How much should #1 in the nation at midseason compare to being blown out by our recruiting competitors (OM and Bama) the last two years?

Seems our fans are overrating the importance of the former, and under rating the latter.

[CadaverDawg]

I'm sorry, I don't see any MSU fans bashing each other in this thread. Could some of this discussion wait until after Wednesday? Yes. But right now MSU fans are all pretty much in the same boat trying to understand, after all the on-field success and facility upgrades of the past few years, why we are we not able to recruit at a higher level? Especially with the top guys in our home state. Its a more than valid concern right now and has nothing to do with anyone attacking someone. And this has been the worst recruiting cycle for our fans (and for MSU) because it doesn't appears its going to meet reasonable expectations.

Exactly. ED recruiting, I like you, but you have been acting like we are in great shape to close strong even as recently as a few days ago. I hope like hell you actually have reason to say those things, and aren't just trying to keep everyone optimistic. Because at the end of the day, people want the truth good or bad....we can go to Genespage if we want optimism blown up our butt.

That being said, I don't see anybody attacking MSU fans...just MSU fans starting to get uneasy as bad news and late offers start rolling in on NSD eve eve. That's logical behavior. The reason you don't see OM fans being negative is bc they are cleaning house in recruiting all while having the NCAA breathing down their necks. What reason would they have to be negative at this point?

I hope like hell youre right about all the "relax" talk concerning AJ, Simmons, etc the last few days & weeks. Otherwise, it's going to be a long off season I'm afraid.

[CadaverDawg]

How much should #1 in the nation at midseason compare to being blown out by our recruiting competitors (OM and Bama) the last two years?

Seems our fans are overrating the importance of the former, and under rating the latter.

If that was the only thing I listed, it wouldn't hold much weight. But if you factor in the other dozen things we had in our corner, it should hold some weight but we SHOULD have been good regardless.

It also seems some of our fans are looking for excuses to why we lost guys we had no business losing. Hell someone mentioned Championships being a factor earlier....did I miss an Ole Miss Championship somewhere in the last hundred years?

[jumbo]

.we can go to Genespage if we want optimism blown up our butt.




well considering Steve is the main one saying "We have 0 chance at AJ" that's not true

[CadaverDawg]

well considering Steve is the main one saying "We have 0 chance at AJ" that's not true

Ha, true. Good point.

[tcdog70]

How about save all this shit until Wednesday after lunch for **** sakes.

agree, i am biting my tongue, until then. Stirring shit now has no benefit.

[tcdog70]

It literally could not have set up better for us....

We were #1 in the Nation last year.
We lost our top WR after the season. A guy that is going pro early.
We lost BOTH CB's. Both will be NFL picks.
We lost our best DT. A guy that is going pro early.

We have a bad ass WR in Starkville that can step right into DeRunnya's spot.
We have a bad ass CB in MS whose sis is at MSU, & can compete for a CB spot right away.
We have a bad ass DT 20 miles from campus that can play day 1.

Result.....we get none of them?

If that happens, we can try to paint as rosey a picture as possible, but that's ****ing awful and embarrassing, and someone didn't do their job. I don't give a rats ass if a player wanted to leave the State. Has a salesperson ever sold you something you didn't exactly need? You can't just mail someone a brochure & expect that to seal the deal. You gotta work, just like you tell the players they'll have to do.

(I'm using the brochure thing as an example, not saying we actually do that. Since I know somebody will take that literally.)

Months ago I posted that after talking to a couple of Elite Highschool Coaches and them telling Me we had only one Coach that can talk the talk to Mississippi Kids and now He is gone. They said Ole Miss has 5 elite recruiters that never stop. They thought Hev was a hindrance and we would be better of He he just stayed Home. People on this board told me I didn't know what I was talking about. I said two months back that Simmons was leaning to the Rebs. a certain poster told Me that His mother loved State and we we Ok with Simmons. Still hope i am wrong. Thank goodness Dan has gone out and got some recruiters but He still doesn't have a Mississippi Coach that can Recruit on the Ole Miss level. Hell their best recruiter might Be Barney Farrah. Dan is just a hard-headed yankee

[CadaverDawg]

Months ago I posted that after talking to a couple of Elite Highschool Coaches and them telling Me we had only one Coach that can talk the talk to Mississippi Kids and now He is gone. They said Ole Miss has 5 elite recruiters that never stop. They thought Hev was a hindrance and we would be better of He he just stayed Home. People on this board told me I didn't know what I was talking about. I said two months back that Simmons was leaning to the Rebs. a certain poster told Me that His mother loved State and we we Ok with Simmons. Still hope i am wrong. Thank goodness Dan has gone out and got some recruiters but He still doesn't have a Mississippi Coach that can Recruit on the Ole Miss level. Hell their best recruiter might Be Barney Farrah. Dan is just a hard-headed yankee

+1

[Ifyouonlyknew]

That dam just couldn't hold another 48hrs.

[CadaverDawg]

That dam just couldn't hold another 48hrs.

LOL

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Months ago I posted that after talking to a couple of Elite Highschool Coaches and them telling Me we had only one Coach that can talk the talk to Mississippi Kids and now He is gone. They said Ole Miss has 5 elite recruiters that never stop. They thought Hev was a hindrance and we would be better of He he just stayed Home. People on this board told me I didn't know what I was talking about. I said two months back that Simmons was leaning to the Rebs. a certain poster told Me that His mother loved State and we we Ok with Simmons. Still hope i am wrong. Thank goodness Dan has gone out and got some recruiters but He still doesn't have a Mississippi Coach that can Recruit on the Ole Miss level. Hell their best recruiter might Be Barney Farrah. Dan is just a hard-headed yankee

Haven't you heard, we can't melt until Wednesday afternoon.**

[Big4Dawg]

That dam just couldn't hold another 48hrs.

Does it matter at this point if it's now or Wednesday? :confused:

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

That dam just couldn't hold another 48hrs.

Shitty planning and investments don't lead to successful infrastructure.

[Raytoraid83]

That dam just couldn't hold another 48hrs.
You still giving your projections and recap today? I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this recruiting season

[msstate7]

Does it matter at this point if it's now or Wednesday? :confused:

We gonna be here all week haha

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Does it matter at this point if it's now or Wednesday? :confused:

I was just joking with Cadaver & he knows that. I don't care if you guys complain every day.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

You still giving your projections and recap today? I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this recruiting season

As of today these are my thoughts

AJ - Bama
Kobe - MSU
Lashley - MSU
Simmons - MSU (Hey if I'm wrong what can you guys do it's the internet)
Knott - Bama
Reese - MSU
Cushenberry - MSU
Cole - ??? Let me do a little more digging on him
McRae - See above

Did I miss anyone? Obviously not the close we were looking for. If we lose AJ & Simmons obviously a bad finish no way around it. We have 48hrs to see how we close out for the year.

[msstate7]

As of today these are my thoughts

AJ - Bama
Kobe - MSU
Lashley - MSU
Simmons - MSU (Hey if I'm wrong what can you guys do it's the internet)
Knott - Bama
Reese - MSU
Cushenberry - MSU
Cole - ??? Let me do a little more digging on him
McRae - See above

Did I miss anyone? Obviously not the close we were looking for. If we lose AJ & Simmons obviously a bad finish no way around it. We have 48hrs to see how we close out for the year.
Simmons would ease my melt 100x over

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

What's crazy to me about this class is that we were able to get a guy from USP, but couldn't get the guy in our own backyard.

[CadaverDawg]

What's crazy to me about this class is that we were able to get a guy from USP, but couldn't get the guy in our own backyard.

If he was a 4 star, he'd be signing with Ole Miss. They wouldn't get outworked for a kid they want in their own back yard. Maybe back in the Pegues days, but not their current staff.

[HancockCountyDog]

If he was a 4 star, he'd be signing with Ole Miss. They wouldn't get outworked for a kid they want in their own back yard. Maybe back in the Pegues days, but not their current staff.

Plus he was never getting eligible.

[BankerDog]

You guys are getting mad about Knott whom most have known all year was going out of state. Quite frankly I would take Dantzler (Cam) over him. I do not think Knott will be at Bama in two years.

As well, we have never had the stronghold at SHS like most think we have. Sometimes people just want to get out of the town they grew up in. I don't blame Brown if he happens to go out of state.

Lastly, most of you guys this time last year and every year before have griped that Mullen doesn't do the signing day surprises. But here we are and we could potentially be pulling this out. See last year with Leo Lewis, the Chris Jones ordeal. You wanna know something about Leo Lewis? He was State bound all along. I even had Demetric Warren tell me two days before signing day Leo was LSU bound. No one knows where these guys are going. I know how the reporters get their information and I know where Steve is getting his. The crystal ball predictions don't mean anything. I remember one poster really worried about the Kegler's to ASU this past year in bball..how did that turn out?

You guys get mad when our class is full over the summer/early fall but hate when we have such a small class at the end. The one area we needed (OL) is about to be the strongest and Hev deserves a lot of credit on that. Good job Hev.

Go get a new hobby and stop worrying about where a 18 year old is going to go to school. its taking years off of yall's lives that could be used for something else.

[BankerDog]

We talk about "connections" for 2017 when we couldn't hold on to the 5 guys within 20 miles of our campus. That is bad, bad news folks. Really bad news. Something is broken in the recruiting process for us.


Because Kylin Hill is already in the boat. Austin Williams wants to go here and we just offered. CJ Avery named us his leader. Ronald Ladd will commit soon. Epson already named us his leader. Aaron Odom's teammate already committed to us plus he is coached by Darius Brown, a former player who is loyal. And we have a good shot a Keldric Caper and guys from out of state.

[msstate7]

You guys are getting mad about Knott whom most have known all year was going out of state. Quite frankly I would take Dantzler (Cam) over him. I do not think Knott will be at Bama in two years.

As well, we have never had the stronghold at SHS like most think we have. Sometimes people just want to get out of the town they grew up in. I don't blame Brown if he happens to go out of state.

Lastly, most of you guys this time last year and every year before have griped that Mullen doesn't do the signing day surprises. But here we are and we could potentially be pulling this out. See last year with Leo Lewis, the Chris Jones ordeal. You wanna know something about Leo Lewis? He was State bound all along. I even had Demetric Warren tell me two days before signing day Leo was LSU bound. No one knows where these guys are going. I know how the reporters get their information and I know where Steve is getting his. The crystal ball predictions don't mean anything. I remember one poster really worried about the Kegler's to ASU this past year in bball..how did that turn out?

You guys get mad when our class is full over the summer/early fall but hate when we have such a small class at the end. The one area we needed (OL) is about to be the strongest and Hev deserves a lot of credit on that. Good job Hev.

Go get a new hobby and stop worrying about where a 18 year old is going to go to school. its taking years off of yall's lives that could be used for something else.

I wasn't worried about kegler... Just asked haha

[Five-tool Poster]

Anybody else disappointed in our pay boards lately? We've got two targets committing somewhere today and getting info is like pulling teeth, IMO.

[Beaver]

So... We have 15 commits as of now. How many will be have by the end of Wednesday? aka how many guys are we planning on taking?

[Jack Lambert]

Anybody else disappointed in our pay boards lately? We've got two targets committing somewhere today and getting info is like pulling teeth, IMO.

Maybe our staff has asked that it be kept quiet.

[Five-tool Poster]

Maybe our staff has asked that it be kept quiet.

Good point. I could live with that

[msstate7]

So... We have 15 commits as of now. How many will be have by the end of Thursday? aka how many guys are we planning on taking?

At this rate, I expect 13**

[Johnson85]

Simmons would ease my melt 100x over

If we close with the OL class we're expecting, and then get Kobe and Simmons, I'll be extremely happy. I'm very confident in Dan's ability to have a steady supply of good QB's. Pair Dan's ability to identify and develop QBs with consistent recruiting on the OL and DL, and it will raise our floor another couple of games.

[Raytoraid83]

I wasn't worried about kegler... Just asked haha
**insert cadaver's "we talkin bout howland not Mullen" Allen Iverson meme**

[HancockCountyDog]

Anyone know why we don't go after Jordan Duncan?

[Really Clark?]

Anyone know why we don't go after Jordan Duncan?

He is already enrolled at Cal

[HancockCountyDog]

He is already enrolled at Cal

Damn. Looking at our WR board, that may have been one that we should have gone after.

[msstate7]

Damn. Looking at our WR board, that may have been one that we should have gone after.

Lots of te's and few wr's... We might be forced to go to some 2 te sets in '17, which I like.

[maroonmania]

Damn. Looking at our WR board, that may have been one that we should have gone after.

Yep, if we could have held on to Farrar it would be easier to take if we lose AJ. Right now we have Couch if he can keep his weight down enough to stay at WR. Hankerson might work out at WR, will have to wait and see.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Anyone know why we don't go after Jordan Duncan?

Size & speed. In 10th grade he looked like he was going to be an elite WR but he never got any bigger or any faster.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Yep, if we could have held on to Farrar it would be easier to take if we lose AJ. Right now we have Couch if he can keep his weight down enough to stay at WR. Hankerson might work out at WR, will have to wait and see.

Why does everybody mention Couch weight & perhaps being a TE but no one ever did with Farrar. Couch weighed 215lbs & Farrar weighed 210lbs. They're basically the same size but only Couch was mentioned as a future TE. This wasn't directed at you I've just seen it mentioned a bunch.

[CadaverDawg]

Mike Farrell just tweeted that Simmons was choosing between Ole Miss and Alabama. Used McCready's quotes as to why State was no longer in the picture. Unreal. The media is no eliminating us from contention on guys in our backyard before the players themselves eliminate us.

[jumbo]

who is Mike Farrell?

[CadaverDawg]

who is Mike Farrell?

Rivals recruiting analyst.

Bush league article

[maroonmania]

Why does everybody mention Couch weight & perhaps being a TE but no one ever did with Farrar. Couch weighed 215lbs & Farrar weighed 210lbs. They're basically the same size but only Couch was mentioned as a future TE. This wasn't directed at you I've just seen it mentioned a bunch.

I guess because Farrar's speed is mentioned quite often. Very glad we at least have Couch as a new WR because the outside WR spot is a position of need.

[maroonmania]

who is Mike Farrell?

I believe he was a MASH cast member. Don't know why he would know anything about recruiting.**

[chef dixon]

Why does everybody mention Couch weight & perhaps being a TE but no one ever did with Farrar. Couch weighed 215lbs & Farrar weighed 210lbs. They're basically the same size but only Couch was mentioned as a future TE. This wasn't directed at you I've just seen it mentioned a bunch.

Because our fans love to move WR's to TE's and DE's to DT's for no reason.

[chef dixon]

Mike Farrell just tweeted that Simmons was choosing between Ole Miss and Alabama. Used McCready's quotes as to why State was no longer in the picture. Unreal. The media is no eliminating us from contention on guys in our backyard before the players themselves eliminate us.

This is a new tactic it seems they are trying to establish this year. Just stop mentioning MSU as a possibility. I expect it to get worse in the coming years.

[the59dawg]

We talk about "connections" for 2017 when we couldn't hold on to the 5 guys within 20 miles of our campus. That is bad, bad news folks. Really bad news. Something is broken in the recruiting process for us.

OK mr exaggeration, pls name 5 guys within 20 mi. that we lost? I can name possibly 2. Some of you guys really suck calling yoiurself Buldogs.

[the59dawg]

Simmons would ease my melt 100x over

I don't see how even Simmons can ease all the s*** you've been shoveling out in the last 10 pages on this subject.

[CadaverDawg]

Knott to Bama. Damn

[Dawgtini]

Reese commits to HailState!

[the59dawg]

Why does everybody mention Couch weight & perhaps being a TE but no one ever did with Farrar. Couch weighed 215lbs & Farrar weighed 210lbs. They're basically the same size but only Couch was mentioned as a future TE. This wasn't directed at you I've just seen it mentioned a bunch.

Because most everyone is looking for a reason to gripe over the 2 or 3 recruits we prob won't get and they all believe we should have for 20+ reasons where they know better than anyone else!!!

[ShotgunDawg]

Interesting tweet by Emmitt Gooden. Wonder if he knows something

TheRealEmmitG ‏@What_A_Star5 3m3 minutes ago
Hope we get @Swagg3rFLOCKa_ @GrindSimmons94 and @IAmKobeJones ��

[tcdog70]

Haven't you heard, we can't melt until Wednesday afternoon.**

ha that ain't a melt, Im holding back big time. It's the same shit I said 2 months ago. Stevie Wonder can see that if you don't have a Mississippi Recruiter that can talk the talk you will suck. Who on this board would want Hev or Sallich talking to your Kid? All Yankees should recruit out of State, that the Lord for Buckley, just please get Him some Help. Everyone laughs when you bring up Smoot. Who on this board doesn't think Smoot could close?

[tcdog70]

As of today these are my thoughts

AJ - Bama
Kobe - MSU
Lashley - MSU
Simmons - MSU (Hey if I'm wrong what can you guys do it's the internet)
Knott - Bama
Reese - MSU
Cushenberry - MSU
Cole - ??? Let me do a little more digging on him
McRae - See above

Did I miss anyone? Obviously not the close we were looking for. If we lose AJ & Simmons obviously a bad finish no way around it. We have 48hrs to see how we close out for the year.

I'm pretty much agreeing with that list. I think Simmons might be back thinking about Us. I think the Rebs probably overdid themselves with Him, sort of like they did with Kobe. Come on Buckley-talk that talk.--And if I have to choose between Simmons and AJ I'm talking the defensive monster

[tcdog70]

Oh, and not to be all negative, but I keep hearing all this shit about "watch out for our 2017 class"....tell me why I should think we'll land all these prospects with "in roads to MSU" next year, when we failed to get any of the prospects with "in roads to MSU" this year? If we miss out of AJ, Simmons, & Knott, y'all can have 2017 recruiting, bc I'm not falling for this shit again. Not the way we close on prospects.

because our two new coaches are some recruiting M"fers. Look it up. Just get us one more for the 3 amigos

[HoopsDawg]

Why does everybody mention Couch weight & perhaps being a TE but no one ever did with Farrar. Couch weighed 215lbs & Farrar weighed 210lbs. They're basically the same size but only Couch was mentioned as a future TE. This wasn't directed at you I've just seen it mentioned a bunch.

Because Couch doesn't have the quickness or the feet to be an outside WR in the SEC unless you are just looking for another Chris Smith type guy. Farrar was a downfield threat.

[msstate7]

Is gooden already in juco? If so, when's best case scenario for him at state?

[jumbo]

Is gooden already in juco? If so, when's best case scenario for him at state?


Pretty sure he is, which would mean spring '17 would be the earliest he could get to us if he was able to complete his coursework in 3 semesters like we tried to get Champion to do.

[drummerdawg]

Leo Lewis tweeted at Simmons. Hope our guys can convince him he needs to be in Starkville.

[Bama_Dawg]

ha that ain't a melt, Im holding back big time. It's the same shit I said 2 months ago. Stevie Wonder can see that if you don't have a Mississippi Recruiter that can talk the talk you will suck. Who on this board would want Hev or Sallich talking to your Kid? All Yankees should recruit out of State, that the Lord for Buckley, just please get Him some Help. Everyone laughs when you bring up Smoot. Who on this board doesn't think Smoot could close?

Smoot would close, as he always said, "You know, 75 percent of the world is covered by water, the rest is covered by Smoot."

Recruiting too.

[Really Clark?]

Smoot would close, as he always said, "You know, 75 percent of the world is covered by water, the rest is covered by Smoot."

Recruiting too.

We will never know until he gets a degree. Let's end the Smoot recruiting talk until he gets serious that he wants to coach. He has had 6 years to get involved in the profession. I love Smoot but will be talking until he dies. We need action not someone on the sidelines tooting his horn.

ETA. Didn't mean to quote you Bama

[ShotgunDawg]

Leo Lewis tweeted at Simmons. Hope our guys can convince him he needs to be in Starkville.

I saw that. Leo doing some recruiting.

This is a good sign IMO. It at least means that we are likely really in this

[jumbo]

Smoot would close, as he always said, "You know, 75 percent of the world is covered by water, the rest is covered by Smoot."

Recruiting too.


If Jeff Simmons mom was turned off by OM's "bachelor party style weekend" there is 0 chance she would be ok with Smoot.

[msstate7]

If Jeff Simmons mom was turned off by OM's "bachelor party style weekend" there is 0 chance she would be ok with Smoot.

Any truth to Simmons' mom being turned off?

[BankerDog]

We'll see Knott again in a few years at USM. Mark my words. Crazy athleticism but his frame can't carry much more weight.

[I seen it dawg]

Simmons to State

[maroonmania]

Simmons to State

At this point if we get Simmons, Jones and Lashley I will take it and go home.

[Really Clark?]

Simmons to State

STRONG!!!

[msstate7]

At this point if we get Simmons, Jones and Lashley I will take it and go home.

I'll loot downtown Starkville**

[I seen it dawg]

Cushenberry to State

[Dawg Tired]

Simmons to State
That's what we've been waiting on. Good man.

[ShotgunDawg]

At this point if we get Simmons, Jones and Lashley I will take it and go home.

Agree.

I'll feel like the Gopher on Caddyshack sticking it's head up after he survived the whole damn golf course blowing up.

[Commercecomet24]

Simmons to State

You da man!

[ElitedawgRecruiting]

It's like this and you can call these my official predictions.

We have one kid in this class that would honestly hurt us if we lose him now. That's Simmons. Kid is a stud and could play right away. We land Lashley and Cush with what we have along with the kids we have at DB and add two more DL and we have done very well. The kid we offered from East MS last night is a stud. We offer him in August and everyone raves over him. Do it now and we missing on kids. Which isn't the case. Farrar hurts. Won't lie about that. AJ would sting to most because of where he is from. Can we still sweep the board. Yes. Is it possible. Yes. But for be crazy enough to call this class a failure when we have signed probably the best DB and OL class of the Mullen era

[I seen it dawg]

Morgan-Walker may be our next Dak

[msstate7]

Morgan-Walker may be our next Dak

Really like this kid

[I seen it dawg]

Lashley to State

[I seen it dawg]

Jones to State

[Really Clark?]

You are on fire I Seen It!!!

[Dawgtini]

Jones to State
Need some hearing protection on here tonight. All the BOOM has my ears ringing! HailState!