Dawgs v Vols

[StarkVegasSteve]

No. What will happen is he will look lost and lose more games. And then fans will start to say that he is a bust.

I've seen this story play out time and time again for MSU football.

Except for Dak who we redshirted first. And then he was the back up for year and a half or so. And then he started.

Hell the two turnovers weren't even his fault. Why not bench West who has at least one major **** up a game at TE? He should have caught that pass that was picked. And why not bench the tackle that got worked when Shapen fumbled?

I am not saying you completely replace Shapen and never look back. When I say give Kamario a chance I am saying give him a series or give him 3-4 plays on a drive in a row. Get him in the flow of a game other than just straight run left or run right in short yardage.

[BuckyIsAB****]

They got 27 hung on them. And 20 in regulation. Tennessee had 2 defensive TDs. Our D played well enough to win by 3 TDs. The O Line pass blocking and Shapen lost that one.

Correct. 2 defensive touchdowns from Shapen. The OL did end up beat up and weren?t great, but they didn?t make Shapen fumble or throw the pick 6. Or under throw Ayden Williams so
Bad on one of the last drives. It?s a touchdown and he missed it. He has been bad for a month now

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is a major issue. I don't know what we can do about it though.

Start winning again and gain back all the sidewalk fans that switched to OM when they got good again.

[BuckyIsAB****]

It is deep ball or check down for Shapen. He was 18/29 for 180 yds today. And if you take away the one deep ball to Ayden he is 17/28 for 131.

And that deep ball is a game winning touchdown if it?s a decent throw. He is not very good right now

[Todd4State]

I am not saying you completely replace Shapen and never look back. When I say give Kamario a chance I am saying give him a series or give him 3-4 plays on a drive in a row. Get him in the flow of a game other than just straight run left or run right in short yardage.

But that's the thing you aren't getting. We have given him opportunities to throw and do something other than run. But since he can't read a defense yet he relies on his legs and takes off. For example that end around/reverse that we ran tonight.

[Todd4State]

Correct. 2 defensive touchdowns from Shapen. The OL did end up beat up and weren?t great, but they didn?t make Shapen fumble or throw the pick 6. Or under throw Ayden Williams so
Bad on one of the last drives. It?s a touchdown and he missed it. He has been bad for a month now

Did you watch the game? Our left tackle got worked when Shapen fumbled. That is partially or really mostly on the o-line. They can't just let a guy get a free rush at the QB like that. West should have caught that pass. He tipped it up and it got intercepted. Not totally on Shapen either.

I'm never going to complain abound play that gets 50 yards.

[StarkVegasSteve]

But that's the thing you aren't getting. We have given him opportunities to throw and do something other than run. But since he can't read a defense yet he relies on his legs and takes off. For example that end around/reverse that we ran tonight.

By my count we have given him one opportunity to throw and he has not. That was the reverse. It was the same play we ran against Alcorn and he threw it on a rope in that one.

[Todd4State]

By my count we have given him one opportunity to throw and he has not. That was the reverse. It was the same play we ran against Alcorn and he threw it on a rope in that one.

He had at least 2-3 against Alcorn and ran in mop up duty. We ran the same play tonight we did against Alcorn and he ran.

Surely we can teach him to do a slant/flat combo. That's as simple as it gets.

[bulldawg28]

Do you really think a kid from Noxubee county that is by far the best athlete on the field on any given night can step on an SEC field and produce wins in this conference as the leader of the offense??? The game is so much faster and physical than playing MS high school football, it?s not even comparable. KT has got the POTENTIAL to be good, maybe great (at MSU), but he?s not mentally capable of leading an SEC team his true freshman year. All it takes is one solid hit, and he?s questioning his abilities. It?s maturity first, athleticism and God?s gift come in second!

I totally understand that at the beginning of the season Shapen was better. However, every day KT practices and plays he's gaining ground on Shapen. This isn't that old school football we played where Qb's had to do everything. They have a mic in their helmet talking to them right upto the snap telling them what to do. You also can't fake football getting tackled is part of the game and the kid has "IT". That's ability, confidence, and the mental fortitude. Do you not remember what our former true freshman did last year when Shapen got hurt? He led the SEC in passing and touchdowns against Texas, Georgia, and others in the month of October. He did that cold right off the bench. KT has that ability and more. Lebby's offense make Qb's shine with his structure and pressure on defenders. It simplifies reads and produces wide open plays which any legit Qb can take advantage of.

[Todd4State]

I totally understand that at the beginning of the season Shapen was better. However, every day KT practices and plays he's gaining ground on Shapen. This isn't that old school football we played where Qb's had to do everything. They have a mic in their helmet talking to them right upto the snap telling them what to do. You also can't fake football getting tackled is part of the game and the kid has "IT". That's ability, confidence, and the mental fortitude. Do you not remember what our former true freshman did last year when Shapen got hurt? He led the SEC in passing and touchdowns against Texas, Georgia, and others in the month of October. He did that cold right off the bench. KT has that ability and more. Lebby's offense make Qb's shine with his structure and pressure on defenders. It simplifies reads and produces wide open plays which any legit Qb can take advantage of.

He hasn't done any of that so far when given the opportunity. That's all we can go off of. And Lebby has even more to go off of in practice. To me, it's very obvious why he isn't playing. He can't read defenses. If he starts now our offense becomes extremely predictable.

Lebby can't make him make the right read in game.

[bulldawg28]

He hasn't done any of that so far when given the opportunity. That's all we can go off of. And Lebby has even more to go off of in practice. To me, it's very obvious why he isn't playing. He can't read defenses. If he starts now our offense becomes extremely predictable.

Lebby can't make him make the right read in game.

Where is he given the opportunity? He's called in to run the ball or trick plays. He's already overtaken the initial backup from FSU so obviously he can read defenses. If not he'd still be 3rd string.

[Todd4State]

Where is he given the opportunity? He's called in to run the ball or trick plays. He's already overtaken the initial backup from FSU so obviously he can read defenses. If not he'd still be 3rd string.

Alcorn, maybe USM, and tonight on the reverse he had the option to pass and did not.

[basedog]

Alcorn, maybe USM, and tonight on the reverse he had the option to pass and did not.

Gotta give our freshman some snaps going forward. Actually, when we were in OT, I would insert him in the game when we were on the 4 yard line with first down. His speed outside may have opened up inside run game with their defense not bunched up and scared of Shapen getting outside.

[bulldawg28]

Alcorn, maybe USM, and tonight on the reverse he had the option to pass and did not.

When he comes into the game he literally has been given 3 designed plays. If you and I know what's about to happen you don't think the defense knows as well? Him not throwing the ball was because they knew the play and had it covered. The worst thing to do would be force it anyways and get an interception.

[Turfdawg67]

Gotta give our freshman some snaps going forward. Actually, when we were in OT, I would insert him in the game when we were on the 4 yard line with first down. His speed outside may have opened up inside run game with their defense not bunched up and scared of Shapen getting outside.

I would’ve rather lost with KT and Fluff than what I saw on that final series.

[basedog]

When he comes into the game he literally has been given 3 designed plays. If you and I know what's about to happen you don't think the defense knows as well? Him not throwing the ball was because they knew the play and had it covered. The worst thing to do would be force it anyways and get an interception.

Exactly, it's pretty easy to see for the defense. But give him some snaps to open things up.

[CaptainObvious]

There is a bigger picture with a silver lining.

1) Tennessee should have beaten Georgia. I believe they were and are the better team.

2) We played them to a draw in regulation and our offense outscored there offense by 2 TDs in regulation. State is better, but not quite there yet.

3) State still lacks the discipline on both sides and the penalties were extremely costly. On 2 of their long drives, we gave them 30 yards in penalties. Not only unacceptable but requires some intense discipline to correct.

4) State will find a way to win another home game and a road game.

5) whether Bowl Games are important or not is irrelevant for this team and this program. We need post season play for the program and for the Fanbase. And if the Fanbase doesn't show up regardless of where the Bowl Game is, then WE don't deserve a winning program!

[Bdawg]

I would?ve rather lost with KT and Fluff than what I saw on that final series.

I?m not saying he should be the starter, but 1st and goal at the 4 is perfect KT time imo with the rpo. And as we can see, the experienced guy didn?t get done, as I have heard we had a guy wide open in the endzone and tries to run but slips and falls.

[smootness]

A bunch of things can be true at the same time.

That was an insanely frustrating loss. Should have won it. The play calling and play of Shapen on the last drive of regulation and in OT were just not nearly good enough. I think we should have seen KT in at the 5 in OT.

Shapen is a good QB with some real weaknesses but is our best option. Also we can find more opportunities to use KT.

One thing I have not seen anyone mention that I think does matter is that getting a good P5 starting QB in the portal and then having a freshman who is not better take over for him is not a great way to get future QBs out of the portal.

[CaptainObvious]

A bunch of things can be true at the same time.

That was an insanely frustrating loss. Should have won it. The play calling and play of Shapen on the last drive of regulation and in OT were just not nearly good enough. I think we should have seen KT in at the 5 in OT.

Shapen is a good QB with some real weaknesses but is our best option. Also we can find more opportunities to use KT.

One thing I have not seen anyone mention that I think does matter is that

""getting a good P5 starting QB in the portal and then having a freshman who is not better take over for him is not a great way to get future QBs out of the portal.

Well they tell me the true freshman is better than the former 4 star recruit we got from FSU in the Portal! And many here think the true freshman is the better choice to get us to a Bowl Game this year!

But help me understand how Kromenhauk hasn't
even gotten in more than 3 plays against Alcorn.

The QB Whisperer at the school up north thought Austin Simmons was the better QB until he was FORCED to play the backup. And the backup has only set an SEC record for combination passing yards and rushing yards in his first 3 games as a starter. How does Lebby really know what Kromenhauk can do in live game action. He never gets even a series to move the team