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10-14-2021, 12:15 AM
#161
Originally Posted by
OLJWales
You have no idea what the 17 you talkin' bout child.
perhaps it is you that is missing the clue
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10-14-2021, 12:51 AM
#162
Originally Posted by
dalmuti
dang, if i was bryan glazer i would indeed have some things to answer for
You might be on the "right" side of the argument and have good opinions on how to treat people, but man.... you suck at articulating them. You're absolutely horrid at debate. Letting people suck you in to strawman fallacies, flinging ad hominem bs, and being borderline incoherent.
Gruden sucks for his emails and what opinions he apparently held. You suck as a person because you literally don't know how to communicate with someone who thinks differently than you. Is this your first time stepping out of an echo chamber? You make me embarrassed to agree with your general thoughts.
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10-14-2021, 01:32 AM
#163
Originally Posted by
Hot Rock
Open borders? We need workers, guess what open borders bring? Workers, WOW! What a concept.
Wow, you need a refund from your Economics educator. Damn.
Or maybe you are still in middle school or something.
Last edited by The Federalist Engineer; 10-14-2021 at 01:35 AM.
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10-14-2021, 09:43 AM
#164
Originally Posted by
Tater
You might be on the "right" side of the argument and have good opinions on how to treat people, but man.... you suck at articulating them. You're absolutely horrid at debate. Letting people suck you in to strawman fallacies, flinging ad hominem bs, and being borderline incoherent.
Gruden sucks for his emails and what opinions he apparently held. You suck as a person because you literally don't know how to communicate with someone who thinks differently than you. Is this your first time stepping out of an echo chamber? You make me embarrassed to agree with your general thoughts.
have a coke and a smile
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10-14-2021, 11:17 AM
#165
Originally Posted by
dalmuti
have a coke and a smile
Dan the man help me out here. Can you answer me this. Why are you so hell bent on socialism and communism in America?
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10-14-2021, 12:13 PM
#166
Originally Posted by
Dawgfan77
Dan the man help me out here. Can you answer me this. Why are you so hell bent on socialism and communism in America?
not sure why you're going offtopic. recognizing that sending out racist and homophobic emails at work is a termination offense is not exactly the stuff of a revolutionary vanguard of the proletariat.
there's pretty much no period in american history where shouting slurs at work has been looked favorably upon.
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10-14-2021, 02:56 PM
#167
Originally Posted by
dalmuti
not sure why you're going offtopic. recognizing that sending out racist and homophobic emails at work is a termination offense is not exactly the stuff of a revolutionary vanguard of the proletariat.
there's pretty much no period in american history where shouting slurs at work has been looked favorably upon.
In this post you aren't 100% wrong. But, there is a statute of limitations. How far back should people be able to go to dig something up on you? Ten years has passed, I mean really if he hasn't done or said this stuff in ten years, can we not assume that this was a " one off" innocent until proven guilty is still a thing. It is bad in society when you do something wrong and you are canceled for it. Give that person a chance to repent for it and show that they have gotten better. Especially since this was ten years ago.
How many players have raped someone, committed a felony, done way worse than what Gruden said and then they are let off with a slap on the wrist? We have got to stop canceling people, especially for stuff that happens ten years ago. If they have proof that is still says these things, then okay you are within your statute of time. But, not ten years ago.
Edit: Giving people the chance to show that they have changed improves society. It shows that we can forgive, forget, and move on. If we cannot be a forgiving society than we are quickly degrading from America's founding principles.
Last edited by Maverick91; 10-14-2021 at 02:58 PM.
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10-14-2021, 03:11 PM
#168
Originally Posted by
Maverick91
In this post you aren't 100% wrong. But, there is a statute of limitations. How far back should people be able to go to dig something up on you? Ten years has passed, I mean really if he hasn't done or said this stuff in ten years, can we not assume that this was a " one off" innocent until proven guilty is still a thing. It is bad in society when you do something wrong and you are canceled for it. Give that person a chance to repent for it and show that they have gotten better. Especially since this was ten years ago.
How many players have raped someone, committed a felony, done way worse than what Gruden said and then they are let off with a slap on the wrist? We have got to stop canceling people, especially for stuff that happens ten years ago. If they have proof that is still says these things, then okay you are within your statute of time. But, not ten years ago.
Edit: Giving people the chance to show that they have changed improves society. It shows that we can forgive, forget, and move on. If we cannot be a forgiving society than we are quickly degrading from America's founding principles.
"statute of limitations" is a legal thing. as far as im aware gruden has not been arrested for his slur emails. that would be a 1st amendment violation
at-will employment is a conservative idea. sounds like you are trying to have the government tell this private employer who they have to hire and fire. Why are you so hell bent on socialism and communism in America?
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10-14-2021, 03:19 PM
#169
Originally Posted by
dalmuti
"statute of limitations" is a legal thing. as far as im aware gruden has not been arrested for his slur emails. that would be a 1st amendment violation
at-will employment is a conservative idea. sounds like you are trying to have the government tell this private employer who they have to hire and fire. Why are you so hell bent on socialism and communism in America?
Your are not comprehending what I am saying. I do not want the government telling anyone what to do outside of the laws that we have already set up via our constitution.
I am saying that we as a society are so quick to just rid ourselves of something or someone for fear that we might get roped into their issues, when non of that has to be the case. It would have been really neat for the Raiders as an organization and Gruden himself to have come out and apologized, talked about what they are doing to change and learn how this type of language is not acceptable even in a private conversation. That would have been much better for them and society as a whole than what actually took place.
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10-14-2021, 03:27 PM
#170
Originally Posted by
Maverick91
Your are not comprehending what I am saying. I do not want the government telling anyone what to do outside of the laws that we have already set up via our constitution.
I am saying that we as a society are so quick to just rid ourselves of something or someone for fear that we might get roped into their issues, when non of that has to be the case. It would have been really neat for the Raiders as an organization and Gruden himself to have come out and apologized, talked about what they are doing to change and learn how this type of language is not acceptable even in a private conversation. That would have been much better for them and society as a whole than what actually took place.
actually he simply should have kept his professional communications professional. i know its hard to understand that one's actions can have consequences, but thems the breaks. there's a reason that the higher you go in most orgs, the fewer emails and such are written. it's hard to be crucified for writing slur-filled emails if they never exist in the first place
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10-14-2021, 03:29 PM
#171
Originally Posted by
dalmuti
"statute of limitations" is a legal thing. as far as im aware gruden has not been arrested for his slur emails. that would be a 1st amendment violation
at-will employment is a conservative idea. sounds like you are trying to have the government tell this private employer who they have to hire and fire. Why are you so hell bent on socialism and communism in America?
At will employment is a not a conservative idea. It's just a description of a contractual relationship.
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10-14-2021, 03:41 PM
#172
Originally Posted by
dalmuti
actually he simply should have kept his professional communications professional. i know its hard to understand that one's actions can have consequences, but thems the breaks. there's a reason that the higher you go in most orgs, the fewer emails and such are written. it's hard to be crucified for writing slur-filled emails if they never exist in the first place
That's what I am saying, lol. Also, are you saying that instead of writing these things he should have just said them? Then its a he said she said moment? Because that hasn't burned anyone lately.
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10-14-2021, 03:43 PM
#173
Originally Posted by
Johnson85
At will employment is a not a conservative idea. It's just a description of a contractual relationship.
thats a lie lol
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10-14-2021, 03:44 PM
#174
Originally Posted by
Maverick91
That's what I am saying, lol. Also, are you saying that instead of writing these things he should have just said them? Then its a he said she said moment? Because that hasn't burned anyone lately.
i said no such thing. take your strawman elsewhere
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10-14-2021, 04:03 PM
#175
Originally Posted by
dalmuti
i said no such thing. take your strawman elsewhere
How is that not what you said? If I miss understood you, please help me understand what you wrote!
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10-14-2021, 05:50 PM
#176
this thread has been an incredible inspiration: https://imgur.com/a/mwuRp4V
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10-15-2021, 07:51 AM
#177
Just FYI Dalmuti is a troll. This his third user name this year. He was dantheman for a while and was banned. Just pointing that out he loves to argue lie about his escapades and push his agenda.
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10-15-2021, 08:21 AM
#178
Originally Posted by
dalmuti
thats a lie lol
Are you trolling here? Or are you really ignorant enough that you don't know what at will employment is?
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10-15-2021, 08:44 AM
#179
Originally Posted by
Dawgfan77
Just FYI Dalmuti is a troll. This his third user name this year. He was dantheman for a while and was banned. Just pointing that out he loves to argue lie about his escapades and push his agenda.
No way he's A Dog then. JMHO.
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10-15-2021, 08:49 AM
#180
Originally Posted by
Tater
The Left has good ideas but worse leadership than SlowMo JoMo and it makes them suck.
The only people I know that think the left has good ideas are snowflakes that are offended by everyone that doesn't think just like them and want's them all canceled and people that want free lunches. I literally can't remember the last adult that I've spoken to that believed the left's economic, foreign relations, etc. ideas were good.
Well, I guess there are those that agree with the left on the abortion issue but that's a whole new discussion.
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