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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Yeah, it's time for Cohen to go. He's his boss not his BFF. This is a total cluster and it looks like it's on Cohen. Wow.

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Dont forget, Cohen while fairly successful during his tenure was also met with some of the same critiques as Joe during his time as a coach at MSU. He does not have the same regard for the fanbase that you would expect

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Originally Posted by DDawg

Cohen and Joe are extremely close friends. Talk on the phone for hours at a time after games and regularly meet, Thats one reason I wasnt suprised when he was defending him with Finebaum when he was on campus that was only the tip of the iceberg. Honestly, any other AD in the country would have probably fired him after that show he gave Thurs combined with everything else but apparently their personal relationship is what is getting in the way of any change being made. Cohen going to bat for his guy is what it boils down to.

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Ok just now seeing this. This makes more sense to me now.

We have the Boosters wanting him gone ,the fans hate him, revenue will be down, we have the Seal money, and Joe just flipped the bird to us all.

The only explanation I see for him being here is that either A) Cohen really is going ot bat for Joe based on their personal friendship, or 2) the VS's want him to stay and Cohen is loyal to them and so is doing their bidding.

But it definitely sounds like money isn't the problem

EDIT or maybe money is the problem. It definitely seems like Cohen might be willing to change his mind, given the only "statement" has been Rosey and Paul saying he's staying. But that means nothing and if it was final you'd think Cohen would put it out there more firmly

Are we 100% we aren't still playing chicken over the buyout, or trying to get another program to hire him away so we pay no buyout?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Yeah there are some things that aren’t adding up to me at all.

Heck might as well bite the bullet because we’re going to be doing the same thing next year. Unless Cohen ****s that up too.

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Nothing about this adds up. Like Shotgun said last night, we didn’t even put Joe in the postgame video. That was a weird move.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

I said it weeks ago and I'm gonna stand by it.

I don't think we are good for the money. I honestly don't believe our resources are willing to pony up what it takes. We ar clearly missing something here.

There's too much he said this and source said this. Nothing concrete. Just conjecture and supposition. To me, there's no way Cohen allows crap to go down like it has and look like he's getting steamrolled. He's not the Intense Bastard because he gets rolled over. It's because he's got a little ass to him.

This situation seems out of his control. It's not his style for us to be grapevining all this crap with zero concrete evidence to pull from. He's been active on Twitter today too. So something must be going on where he's having to let some things play out.

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Yes he has. And his Twitter has been lit up. He is very aware.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

I said it weeks ago and I'm gonna stand by it.

I don't think we are good for the money. I honestly don't believe our resources are willing to pony up what it takes. We ar clearly missing something here.

There's too much he said this and source said this. Nothing concrete. Just conjecture and supposition. To me, there's no way Cohen allows crap to go down like it has and look like he's getting steamrolled. He's not the Intense Bastard because he gets rolled over. It's because he's got a little ass to him.

This situation seems out of his control. It's not his style for us to be grapevining all this crap with zero concrete evidence to pull from. He's been active on Twitter today too. So something must be going on where he's having to let some things play out.

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If Joe and Cohen are good friends that makes sense to me. But the boosters are going to have to step up to stop this.

It’s probably going to take the cigar boys telling Cohen it’s either Joe or both of you. Make your choice.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

If that's the case the Cohen should be fired, not for what he thought about Joe but it ain't his job to be going to practice.

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Dude ... Cohen's his boss. You in love with Joe or something. Do you have a boss. My boss can walk in my office any damn time he pleases, like most people who have bosses.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Yeah there are some things that aren’t adding up to me at all.

Heck might as well bite the bullet because we’re going to be doing the same thing next year. Unless Cohen ****s that up too.

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The majority of what DDawg is posting makes zero sense.

Cohen better watch out, because when Joe gets his ass whipped a month from now in a bowl game, it will be Cohen getting all of this fury instead of his boi.

Everybody knows he's not going to magically start being successful all of the sudden. Cohen is literally putting his own ass on the line over something that's going to happen next year either way.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

If Joe and Cohen are good friends that makes sense to me. But the boosters are going to have to step up to stop this.

It’s probably going to take the cigar boys telling Cohen it’s either Joe or both of you. Make your choice.

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They are essentially the Thelma And Louise of the Mississippi State's athletic department at this point

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Originally Posted by DDawg

They are essentially the Thelma And Louise of the Mississippi State's athletic department at this point

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Good grief, more like Lloyd and Harry

I thought all the talk before some of this new stuff came out recently was that this decision was above Cohen and he wouldn’t be making this decision but now Cohen is keeping this from happening? (Apologize if I’m butchering that and it’s not true. This has been a shit storm to keep up with). I thought this was ultimately going to come down to Keenum and the boosters with the power but now it’s Cohen being big buds with Joe and going to bat for him that’s keeping this from getting done? Again, if I got that wrong, correct me because I’m trying to understand it. I’m not a seasoned vet keeping up with this stuff and knowing how this works.

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Originally Posted by DDawg

Dont forget, Cohen while fairly successful during his tenure was also met with some of the same critiques as Joe during his time as a coach at MSU. He does not have the same regard for the fanbase that you would expect

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So he’s subverting the program and too stingy to spend the money, while letting personal relationships dictate his motives, not the good of the organization as a whole?

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Originally Posted by MrKotter

The majority of what DDawg is posting makes zero sense.

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Will be glad to clarify anything I post

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Cohen better watch out, because when Joe gets his ass whipped a month from now in a bowl game, it will be Cohen getting all of this fury instead of his boi.

Everybody knows he's not going to magically start being successful all of the sudden. Cohen is literally putting his own ass on the line over something that's going to happen next year either way.

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Remember when a 6-6 MSU team beat the tee total shit outta 8-4 Rice in Liberty Bowl. Had a tough season, ended with a great EB win. We thought Rice would give us a game. We blew their doors off. Okay, the exact opposite will happen this time. We will face a mediocre bowl eligible team that will give us a tough close game that they shouldn't b/c of our talent level.

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Originally Posted by DDawg

Will be glad to clarify anything I post

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Clarify this: Why the **** does Cohen have any say in the matter? Why isn’t he standing in the hallway while Kennum and the angry people with names on buildings determine next steps?

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Originally Posted by DDawg

They are essentially the Thelma And Louise of the Mississippi State's athletic department at this point

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Are you suggesting that we put them in a car together and push them off into the Grand Canyon?**

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Good grief, more like Lloyd and Harry

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Just when you think they can’t possibly get dumber they go out and totally redeem themselves.**

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

I thought all the talk before some of this new stuff came out recently was that this decision was above Cohen and he wouldn’t be making this decision but now Cohen is keeping this from happening? (Apologize if I’m butchering that and it’s not true. This has been a shit storm to keep up with). I thought this was ultimately going to come down to Keenum and the boosters with the power but now it’s Cohen being big buds with Joe and going to bat for him that’s keeping this from getting done? Again, if I got that wrong, correct me because I’m trying to understand it. I’m not a seasoned vet keeping up with this stuff and knowing how this works.

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It's hard to follow for ALL of us. I thought I had it basically figured out until this current set of leaks. Now I'm struggling to figure out exactly what's happening. Cluster17 is the most apt description imaginable at this point.

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

I thought all the talk before some of this new stuff came out recently was that this decision was above Cohen and he wouldn’t be making this decision but now Cohen is keeping this from happening? (Apologize if I’m butchering that and it’s not true. This has been a shit storm to keep up with). I thought this was ultimately going to come down to Keenum and the boosters with the power but now it’s Cohen being big buds with Joe and going to bat for him that’s keeping this from getting done? Again, if I got that wrong, correct me because I’m trying to understand it. I’m not a seasoned vet keeping up with this stuff and knowing how this works.

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You're not understanding it's quite simple:

The boosters that got Cohen hired support JoMo so Cohen is doing their biding and refusing to fire JoMo. Also, we don't have the money for the buyout. Also, all the boosters are united against Joe but we don't have the money. Also all the boosters are unite against Joe and we do have the money but Cohen won't do it. Also, Keenum is both for and against Joe and is putting his weight into this. He's also staying out of it. He's a big problem and one of the good guys, is the gist of it. But of course, were still firing Joe and all is well, we're just letting things "play out" for a bit to get the buyout down. Not that that's needed because Rutgers will hire him. That rumor is supported by the fact Joe's for sure going to be here next year and it's all settled. But it's not settled, because many former alumni have been angered when they heard it was settled and are now contacting Cohen, who does and doesn't want to fire Joe but does and doesn't have the money to do so and does and doesn't have to play politics with the booster division which exists unless it doesn't.

Try to keep up, it's really not that complicated

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

I thought all the talk before some of this new stuff came out recently was that this decision was above Cohen and he wouldn’t be making this decision but now Cohen is keeping this from happening? (Apologize if I’m butchering that and it’s not true. This has been a shit storm to keep up with). I thought this was ultimately going to come down to Keenum and the boosters with the power but now it’s Cohen being big buds with Joe and going to bat for him that’s keeping this from getting done? Again, if I got that wrong, correct me because I’m trying to understand it. I’m not a seasoned vet keeping up with this stuff and knowing how this works.

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Personally I’m wondering if Keenum is allowing this to happen to get rid of Cohen. The only way to do that is to get the Virginia Slims against Cohen.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

You're not understanding it's quite simple:

The boosters that got Cohen hired support JoMo so Cohen is doing their biding and refusing to fire JoMo. Also, we don't have the money for the buyout. Also, all the boosters are united against Joe but we don't have the money. ALso all the boosters are unite against Joe and we do have the money but Cohen won't do it. Also, Keenum is both for and against Joe and is putting his weight into this. He's also staying out of it He's a big problem and one of the good guys, is what I"m saying. But of course, were still firing Joe and all is well, we're just letting things "play out" for a bit to get the buyout down. That rumor is supported by the fact Joe's for sure going to be here next year and it's all settled. But it's not settled, because many former alumni have been angered when they heard it was settled and are now contacting Cohen, who does and doesn't want to fire Joe but does and doesn't have the money to do so and does and doesn't have to play politics with the booster division which exists unless it doesn't.

Try to keep up, it's really not that complicated

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This is why I love ED!

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Are you suggesting that we put them in a car together and push them off into the Grand Canyon?**

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They are willingly driving the car (Football Program) off the cliff, because the police (Cigar Boys) are hot on their tail after.
Louise(Cohen) killed somebody (Fanbase) for trying to screw her best friend Thelma(Moorvester)

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

It's hard to follow for ALL of us. I thought I had it basically figured out until this current set of leaks. Now I'm struggling to figure out exactly what's happening. Cluster17 is the most apt description imaginable at this point.

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Clear as mud.

It must be a total shit show in the athletic department. Cohen getting blown up on Twitter. His phone blowing up. Boosters of varying wealth levels wanting to "have a word" with him. Keenum taking heat and calling him about the situation.

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Originally Posted by Rex54

Clarify this: Why the **** does Cohen have any say in the matter? Why isn’t he standing in the hallway while Kennum and the angry people with names on buildings determine next steps?

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This is an outstanding question. The initial leaks suggested that the Spineless Bastard wouldn't have any influence in Jughead being retained or not. But now he's able to tell everyone to follow Jughead's advice and kick rocks? And Hack seems to imply our SEC welfare check gives him that much power?

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

I thought all the talk before some of this new stuff came out recently was that this decision was above Cohen and he wouldn?t be making this decision but now Cohen is keeping this from happening? (Apologize if I?m butchering that and it?s not true. This has been a shit storm to keep up with). I thought this was ultimately going to come down to Keenum and the boosters with the power but now it?s Cohen being big buds with Joe and going to bat for him that?s keeping this from getting done? Again, if I got that wrong, correct me because I?m trying to understand it. I?m not a seasoned vet keeping up with this stuff and knowing how this works.

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Don't feel bad. I am a "seasoned vet" with very good contacts and this is the biggest WTF I've see in our athletic department in over 50 years and numerous WTF moments. A monumental CF even by MState standards.

Makes sense all this shit went down today - history ****** repeating itself

ETA: meaning our Athletic Dept. and boosters being a shit show, not a statement about coaching quality

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Originally Posted by Churchill

A monumental CF even by MState standards.

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That's quite an accomplishment.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Makes sense all this shit went down today - history ****** repeating itself

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But this is the opposite end of that spectrum. McKeen was highly successful here and lost to Ole Miss his last year. Joe has been extremely disappointing and has beaten Ole Miss.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

Don't feel bad. I am a "seasoned vet" with very good contacts and this is the biggest WTF I've see in our athletic department in over 50 years and numerous WTF moments. A monumental CF even by MState standards.

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It’s way crazier when Cohen took over for Polk.

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Originally Posted by ScottH

That's quite an accomplishment.

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Cohen and Keenum breaking State records, just as they promised! Damnit guys, we've gotta be more clear next time about which kind of record wed like to break. Understandable miscommunication

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Originally Posted by ScottH

That's quite an accomplishment.

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It would be impressive if it weren't so infuriating.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

But this is the opposite end of that spectrum. McKeen was highly successful here and lost to Ole Miss his last year. Joe has been extremely disappointing and has beaten Ole Miss.

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Read my edit

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Makes sense all this shit went down today - history ****** repeating itself

ETA: meaning our Athletic Dept. and boosters being a shit show, not a statement about coaching quality

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I WISH history would repeat itself. But then it would've been best for the revolt to fail, now it will be best for it to succeed. Seems like the worst possible outcome will happen both times

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Makes sense all this shit went down today - history ****** repeating itself

ETA: meaning our Athletic Dept. and boosters being a shit show, not a statement about coaching quality

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Yep we can be our own worst enemy sometimes

ETA i get your meaning on this

I don't buy any of this...... JoMo ain't going nowhere. We need to just get used to it.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Heck at this point I'm expecting Cohen and joe to switch jobs

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Them switching from the top to the bottom would be another likely scenario.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

You're not understanding it's quite simple:

The boosters that got Cohen hired support JoMo so Cohen is doing their biding and refusing to fire JoMo. Also, we don't have the money for the buyout. Also, all the boosters are united against Joe but we don't have the money. Also all the boosters are unite against Joe and we do have the money but Cohen won't do it. Also, Keenum is both for and against Joe and is putting his weight into this. He's also staying out of it. He's a big problem and one of the good guys, is the gist of it. But of course, were still firing Joe and all is well, we're just letting things "play out" for a bit to get the buyout down. Not that that's needed because Rutgers will hire him. That rumor is supported by the fact Joe's for sure going to be here next year and it's all settled. But it's not settled, because many former alumni have been angered when they heard it was settled and are now contacting Cohen, who does and doesn't want to fire Joe but does and doesn't have the money to do so and does and doesn't have to play politics with the booster division which exists unless it doesn't.

Try to keep up, it's really not that complicated

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LMAO ... that's a top-notch summary.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

You're not understanding it's quite simple:

The boosters that got Cohen hired support JoMo so Cohen is doing their biding and refusing to fire JoMo. Also, we don't have the money for the buyout. Also, all the boosters are united against Joe but we don't have the money. Also all the boosters are unite against Joe and we do have the money but Cohen won't do it. Also, Keenum is both for and against Joe and is putting his weight into this. He's also staying out of it. He's a big problem and one of the good guys, is the gist of it. But of course, were still firing Joe and all is well, we're just letting things "play out" for a bit to get the buyout down. Not that that's needed because Rutgers will hire him. That rumor is supported by the fact Joe's for sure going to be here next year and it's all settled. But it's not settled, because many former alumni have been angered when they heard it was settled and are now contacting Cohen, who does and doesn't want to fire Joe but does and doesn't have the money to do so and does and doesn't have to play politics with the booster division which exists unless it doesn't.

Try to keep up, it's really not that complicated

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I just want everyone to acknowledge that this is the single best post that has been written about this whole thing and 1000000 vcash should be awarded immediately.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

We have a horrible coach that doesn't want to be here, has no incentive to recruit hard, or develop our young players, or make staff changes

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Nice and accurate