2022 MSU FOOTBALL RECRUITING Discussion Thread

[FriarsPoint]

Austin Howell holds a State offer. Watch his highlight film on 247, he?s a beast. Really good player under the radar. I think he?s a starting LB in a year or so for whoever gets him.

I know a little bit about this one. Not far from here. Played at a tiny single A school. Legit 4.6. Extremely strong. 400 bench. Close to 600 squat. Our starting QB was telling me about him this summer. Definitely worth a shot.

[KOdawg1]

Washington State QB Jayden de Laura has entered the portal.

227-359, 63.2%, 2,798 yards, 7.8 avg, 23 TDs, 9 INTs.

Didn't play the full season, but those are solid numbers. Throw him an offer and see if he wants to compete with Will. Probably won't, but it'd be worth looking into.

[bulldawg28]

What happened to kids we had secret commitments from that were waiting to have their day today at the All American game?

[WhiskeyPirate]

Washington State QB Jayden de Laura has entered the portal.

227-359, 63.2%, 2,798 yards, 7.8 avg, 23 TDs, 9 INTs.

Didn't play the full season, but those are solid numbers. Throw him an offer and see if he wants to compete with Will. Probably won't, but it'd be worth looking into.

DeLaura is a good dual threat talent, is tough can run it well and has a good arm......however, he likes to improvise on his own and right now I think would drive Leach crazy by not patiently progressing through his reads. If he holds the clip board a year and Leach could develop h8m, he’s got a high ceiling. He could do a lot of what Corrall could do.



Austin Howell would be a four star if the rating services were worth a darn. I’d go as far as to say he’d be a really good starter for State. Really athletic and just a hard nosed physical player.

[Hambone]

What happened to kids we had secret commitments from that were waiting to have their day today at the All American game?

Thought that was one player last year???

One is announcing in his mothers birthday and has already signed, the other is signing with his school.

Or am I missing two secret commits?

[Leeshouldveflanked]

What happened to kids we had secret commitments from that were waiting to have their day today at the All American game?
That was last year

[bulldawg28]

Thought that was one player last year???

One is announcing in his mothers birthday and has already signed, the other is signing with his school.

Or am I missing two secret commits?

I think you're right.

[bulldawg28]

That was last year

Gotcha

[yjnkdawg]

Thought that was one player last year???

One is announcing in his mothers birthday and has already signed, the other is signing with his school.

Or am I missing two secret commits?



Nope, you aren't missing anything.

[FriarsPoint]

DeLaura is a good dual threat talent, is tough can run it well and has a good arm......however, he likes to improvise on his own and right now I think would drive Leach crazy by not patiently progressing through his reads. If he holds the clip board a year and Leach could develop h8m, he’s got a high ceiling. He could do a lot of what Corrall could do.


Austin Howell would be a four star if the rating services were worth a darn. I’d go as far as to say he’d be a really good starter for State. Really athletic and just a hard nosed physical player.

Well. Find out if the staff really wants him. Because he really wants to be there. Otherwise he’s going to Troy.

And no. You can’t guarantee getting him in the portal. They need to get him now.

Just so you know. Our starting QB I was talking about just signed with Troy to be their shortstop.

[MetEdDawg]

JUCO kicker Gabriel Plascencia commits to us.

I saw he had an offer from Sacramento State. Anyone have anything on this kid?

[Hambone]

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[Commercecomet24]

JUCO kicker Gabriel Plascencia commits to us.

I saw he had an offer from Sacramento State. Anyone have anything on this kid?

Looks like he can place kick, punt and handle kickoffs. #2 juco kicker in the country, #1 in Cali jucos fwiw. Chris Sailer rated him a 5 star and that carries a lot of weight.

[bobcat91]

And it is a PWO position. We are chasing Costal Carolina's K for a scholarship

[Commercecomet24]

And it is a PWO position. We are chasing Costal Carolina's K for a scholarship

Right.

[Todd4State]

DeLaura is a good dual threat talent, is tough can run it well and has a good arm......however, he likes to improvise on his own and right now I think would drive Leach crazy by not patiently progressing through his reads. If he holds the clip board a year and Leach could develop h8m, he?s got a high ceiling. He could do a lot of what Corrall could do.



Austin Howell would be a four star if the rating services were worth a darn. I?d go as far as to say he?d be a really good starter for State. Really athletic and just a hard nosed physical player.

I think DeLaura signed with Leach at Wazzu. So, I think Leach knows what he is getting with him.

[Todd4State]

If I had to choose between Brownlee and Mingo, I?d take Brownlee all day and twice on Tuesday. He is a blue collar player that excelled on a really crappy team. Mingo has yet to show anything that is consistently impressive. The only positive Mingo has over Brownlee is that he played his HS ball with Rogers, so there would be a definite comfort and familiarity already in place.

I would take them both. He could be Will's Austin Williams in 2023 after Austin leaves. Brownlee kind of reminds me of Polk a little bit.

[WhiskeyPirate]

I think DeLaura signed with Leach at Wazzu. So, I think Leach knows what he is getting with him.

I don’t believe delaura arrived on campus until leach was gone. I’ve watched several games of him at WSU.

[tcdog70]

all the experts on here said Drummond and Brownlee were system WRs and could not play in the SEC. But Heath and Mingo had all the tools.

[raymonddawg]

Looks like we're picking up a CB transfer from West Virginia.


https://twitter.com/Chosen1jm_/status/1480934382902857735?s=20

[HancockCountyDog]

Looks like we're picking up a CB transfer from West Virginia.


https://twitter.com/Chosen1jm_/status/1480934382902857735?s=20

Really great pickup. Secondary just got deeper. It wouldn't surprise me if he started over the Bama Db transfer. He is really good.

[Catfish]

Really great pickup. Secondary just got deeper. It wouldn't surprise me if he started over the Bama Db transfer. He is really good.

Yeah, he should be a good one.

[DCdawg]

Another transfer, WR from Northwestern, just committed.

[FISHDAWG]

Another transfer, WR from Northwestern, just committed.

I remember having a hard time getting good receivers in years gone by ... and QB's also

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Really great pickup. Secondary just got deeper. It wouldn't surprise me if he started over the Bama Db transfer. He is really good.

Matthews is a safety. Banks is a CB

[Bothrops]

Another transfer, WR from Northwestern, just committed.

4 star from Mobile. Has like 4 years left.

[Todd4State]

4 star from Mobile. Has like 4 years left.

Yep. Will fit in nicely with four starts Knox and Harmon and Jacobi Moore who probably would have been a four star had he not been injured in high school.

[Ari Gold]

Really great pickup. Secondary just got deeper. It wouldn't surprise me if he started over the Bama Db transfer. He is really good.

He should be starting ahead of Duncan next year.. which will be a huge upgrade IMO

[Leroy Jenkins]

He should be starting ahead of Duncan next year.. which will be a huge upgrade IMO

Man I hope so....

[WhiskeyPirate]

Bunch of Bama players in portal including four star tackle and q b

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Bunch of Bama players in portal including four star tackle and q b
Saban thinning the herd.

[vv83]

Bunch of Bama players in portal including four star tackle and q b

5 star LB too. seems to be Arkansas bound tho

[TNDawg35]

So what's the deal with Mingo? Is that a wait and see if Kiffin brings in another QB, or is he staying at OM?

[Pancho]

All my ole miss folk have gone quiet in Mingo. They are currently wishing Lane would hurry up and leave already cuz his pro job question is hurting portal players.

[Bdawg]

All my ole miss folk have gone quiet in Mingo. They are currently wishing Lane would hurry up and leave already cuz his pro job question is hurting portal players.

This is funny cause they need the portal bad. Man I love it. Worm has turned on head coach job shopping!!

[bulldawg28]

All my ole miss folk have gone quiet in Mingo. They are currently wishing Lane would hurry up and leave already cuz his pro job question is hurting portal players.

Your friends are not thinking it through if they think Lane leaving helps them.

[Catfish]

Your friends are not thinking it through if they think Lane leaving helps them.

BINGO!

[WhiskeyPirate]

BINGO!

Lanes self promotion is really damaging ole miss. If I was a fan of ole Miss I’d about be ready to show him the door. It’s not like he made the playoffs or won a bowl game. They are going to suck for years to come if he and sexton keep up the nonsense.

[HoopsDawg]

If you wouldnt take Tylan Knight you either dont know him or havent watched him. He is a ball player and a great kid. And that is coming from someone who hates Purl and Ole Miss with every fiber of my being.

He pretty much won them the game, if you call it that last year with the fumble at the goaline.

Hartsog is a winner and we should be on him if we are not. He would be a great fit here he us our type of kid

Tylan Knight has entered the transfer portal due to lack of playing time. I'm not sure why posters ever disagree with me.

[bulldawg28]

Lanes self promotion is really damaging ole miss. If I was a fan of ole Miss I’d about be ready to show him the door. It’s not like he made the playoffs or won a bowl game. They are going to suck for years to come if he and sexton keep up the nonsense.

He fits the culture

[Turfdawg67]

all the experts on here said Drummond and Brownlee were system WRs and could not play in the SEC. But Heath and Mingo had all the tools.

Haven't seen one person on here that claims to be an expert, but carry on.

[Turfdawg67]

Nvmd, I see now.

[HancockCountyDog]

Tylan Knight has entered the transfer portal due to lack of playing time. I'm not sure why posters ever disagree with me.

Great kid, but you can?t win big games with him in the SEC.

He would be great at USM.

Their defense got better the less he played, which is why he is transferring.

[HoopsDawg]

Great kid, but you can?t win big games with him in the SEC.

He would be great at USM.

Their defense got better the less he played, which is why he is transferring.

very accurate post.

[Ari Gold]

Great kid, but you can?t win big games with him in the SEC.

He would be great at USM.

Their defense got better the less he played, which is why he is transferring.

He would be good at USM... not great

[KOdawg1]

May be unpopular, but I wouldn't have taken the Northwestern WR just yet. Not saying he can't play, but he has 1 career catch. We just don't know.

RJ Sneed from Baylor is visiting today. That's a guy I really want. Trea Shropshire from UAB is also in the portal. He's a very productive WR. But we likely can't take both of these guys because taking 3 WRs from the portal is a little much.

I really want Sneed though.

[Tater]

May be unpopular, but I wouldn't have taken the Northwestern WR just yet. Not saying he can't play, but he has 1 career catch. We just don't know.

RJ Sneed from Baylor is visiting today. That's a guy I really want. Trea Shropshire from UAB is also in the portal. He's a very productive WR. But we likely can't take both of these guys because taking 3 WRs from the portal is a little much.

I really want Sneed though.

He was a true freshman this year and former 4*. We weren't the only SEC team interested in him. He was absolutely an immediate take. He may not impact the field this year, but by year 4 he'll be in our top 8 rotation

[KOdawg1]

He was a true freshman this year and former 4*. We weren't the only SEC team interested in him. He was absolutely an immediate take. He may not impact the field this year, but by year 4 he'll be in our top 8 rotation

I get it. We'll see.

[HancockCountyDog]

He would be good at USM... not great

Probably right.

[bulldawg28]

We need to go after more of these Alabama transfers. They just lost a former starting LB. We need speed there.

[Dawgfan77]

I get it. We'll see.

We might end up taking three WR.

[yjnkdawg]

We might end up taking three WR.

I think if we get RJ Sneed to sign then they will shut the WR recruiting down.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Tylan Knight has entered the transfer portal due to lack of playing time. I'm not sure why posters ever disagree with me.

All hail the greatest ED poster since the dawn of man

How does that disprove anything that I said?

I would love to have him.

[WhiskeyPirate]

All hail the greatest ED poster since the dawn of man

How does that disprove anything that I said?

I would love to have him.
ED as in erectile dysfunction or Special Ed ?

[HoopsDawg]

All hail the greatest ED poster since the dawn of man



Maybe not the greatest. But definitely Top 5.

[HancockCountyDog]

Maybe not the greatest. But definitely Top 5.

You are crazy if you think you are bumping me out of top 5.

[Irondawg]

I'm also a little curious why we haven't even sniffed at a LB - they must really like the younger guys because on tv that looked like an area we could stand to get a bit more athletic than we were last year.

[Hambone]

New player incoming. Steve Spurrier Jr and Brittany Thackery are both tweeting about it.

[Hot Rock]

I saw the eyes and wondered who it might be. I am thinking another 2022 but is it a transfer? HS?

Maybe we will find out today at some point.

[KOdawg1]

It's Justin Robinson, a former 4 star WR from Georgia.

https://247sports.com/Player/Justin-Robinson-46058884/

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Another WR transfer with upside and potential, but little to no production.

[WhiskeyPirate]

[QUOTE=KOdawg1;1403910]It's Justin Robinson, a former 4 star WR from Georgia.

https://247sports.com/Player/Justin-Robinson-46058884/

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I don’t care bout their production in a pedestrian passing attack, put him in the air raid and he will produce plenty. Same for the kid from northwestern. Four star 6-4 220 with offers from Norte dame, Florida, Georgia and Nebraska.

[KOdawg1]

[QUOTE=KOdawg1;1403910]It's Justin Robinson, a former 4 star WR from Georgia.

https://247sports.com/Player/Justin-Robinson-46058884/

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I don’t care bout their production in a pedestrian passing attack, put him in the air raid and he will produce plenty. Same for the kid from northwestern. Four star 6-4 220 with offers from Norte dame, Florida, Georgia and Nebraska.

I care about production. It trumps potential any day of the week.

That's not a knock on this kid, because he hasn't had the chance to have production.

But it's worth noting that both WR transfers combine for 3 catches and 25 yards. We're losing a guy who caught 105 for over 1,000 yards.

I would've taken a proven veteran like RJ Sneed and then chosen one out of Mosley or Robinson. But the Spurrier thinks what we have is good enough. So that's good enough for me I guess.

[Hot Rock]

[QUOTE=KOdawg1;1403910]It's Justin Robinson, a former 4 star WR from Georgia.

https://247sports.com/Player/Justin-Robinson-46058884/

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I don’t care bout their production in a pedestrian passing attack, put him in the air raid and he will produce plenty. Same for the kid from northwestern. Four star 6-4 220 with offers from Norte dame, Florida, Georgia and Nebraska.

Let people sleep on these guys. State is stacking talent and guys like this are hard to come by. He is big, fast and talented! He redshirted, then was injured, had surgery and is here with 3 more years of eligibility. He could be in the mix as early as this fall.

I never even thought of us needing WR?s but these two definitely are takes and damn proud to get them! There will be 8 guys making plays from the WR Position group and they just got more talented.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

[QUOTE=WhiskeyPirate;1403916]

I care about production. It trumps potential any day of the week.

That's not a knock on this kid, because he hasn't had the chance to have production.

But it's worth noting that both WR transfers combine for 3 catches and 25 yards. We're losing a guy who caught 105 for over 1,000 yards.

I would've taken a proven veteran like RJ Sneed and then chosen one out of Mosley or Robinson. But the Spurrier thinks what we have is good enough. So that's good enough for me I guess.

I totally get where you're coming from & understand. I'll also say Polk wasn't a proven commodity when he signed either. Spurrier turned him into that type of WR.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I'm also a little curious why we haven't even sniffed at a LB - they must really like the younger guys because on tv that looked like an area we could stand to get a bit more athletic than we were last year.

John Lewis has to be able to play was surprised he didnt play more in the bowl

[CadaverDawg]

To me, the one big thing we have always needed at State, and especially in this offense, is a big WR that can just go up and win 1 on 1 balls. This kid seems to have the build, and UGA seems to teach high pointing the catch as well as anybody based on their WR history. So maybe he can be that guy. I know our offense is built on finding the open man in space, but it's nice to have a fall back plan that you can just throw it up to when you see them in single coverage and a blitz is coming. The best teams always have one of those guys. It's why I feel like the Bengals could slip up and make some noise in the playoffs...bc they seem to have started realizing that about Jamar Chase the last few weeks. A lot more back shoulder and just letting him beat his man on a jump ball. Not saying any of our guys are anywhere close to Chase, but hopefully y'all see what I mean.

[BrunswickDawg]

[QUOTE=WhiskeyPirate;1403916]

I care about production. It trumps potential any day of the week.

That's not a knock on this kid, because he hasn't had the chance to have production.

But it's worth noting that both WR transfers combine for 3 catches and 25 yards. We're losing a guy who caught 105 for over 1,000 yards.

I would've taken a proven veteran like RJ Sneed and then chosen one out of Mosley or Robinson. But the Spurrier thinks what we have is good enough. So that's good enough for me I guess.

It's not just about next year. The guys coming in have multiple years left. They also bring upgrades in speed - which as much as our WR Corps has improved it still has been needing speed. Also don't look at this as replacing Polk. These guys are placing Torbor and spots that haven't been producing.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Leach and Spurrier know exactly who and what they need at wide receiver. Leach has had big physical receivers in the past that wall off the db Like a power forward and get the fifty fifty balls. Also we need receivers who can block. This guy fits the bill.

A wideout playing in a run first offense as a freshman doesn’t mean jack statistically.

[Cowbell]

I'm also a little curious why we haven't even sniffed at a LB - they must really like the younger guys because on tv that looked like an area we could stand to get a bit more athletic than we were last year.

I agree 100%. We really need outside linebackers

[bulldawg28]

John Lewis has to be able to play was surprised he didnt play more in the bowl

Did he play at all in the bowl game?

[maroonmania]

[QUOTE=KOdawg1;1403919]

I totally get where you're coming from & understand. I'll also say Polk wasn't a proven commodity when he signed either. Spurrier turned him into that type of WR.

Exactly, in 2020 at Cal Polk only had 17 catches for 183 yards for the season. If all we were interested in was proven production we would have never taken him.

[MetEdDawg]

If we are talking about taking a grad transfer, then yes we better be concerned about production.

But if we are talking about guys that have been at a school 1 or 2 years, there's a lot more potential involved in the transfer side.

We would have taken Robinson out of high school 2 years ago. Some of these talented guys can't break through on teams with a crap ton of talent. So you get them for 3 years and see what they have. That's how we have to work the portal to get talent.

Staff has done a solid job in the portal so far.

[Chuck3124]

So does anybody know anything on Javon Banks from Bama?? Have a friend who lives in Prattville who just told me rumors over there is he?s thinking of transferring to State as well.

[bulldawg28]

So does anybody know anything on Javon Banks from Bama?? Have a friend who lives in Prattville who just told me rumors over there is he?s thinking of transferring to State as well.

Who is Javon Banks?

[Chuck3124]

Who is Javon Banks?

WR from Alabama

[bulldawg28]

WR from Alabama

It's Javon Baker I had to Google it. He's visiting Ole Miss

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Sneed going to Colorado.

[BuckyIsAB****]

WR is probably settled now coaches included

[maroonmania]

WR is probably settled now coaches included

Who is getting the inside WR coaching job?

[KOdawg1]

Who is getting the inside WR coaching job?

Probably gonna settle and just promote Hollingsworth

[maroonmania]

Probably gonna settle and just promote Hollingsworth

Well, after the terrific bowl performance we got from our WRs it only makes sense. Oh wait....

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Well, after the terrific bowl performance we got from our WRs it only makes sense. Oh wait....

The entire offense was ass. QB, OL, Inside & Outside WR. I'm not putting all of that on Hollingshead.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Cohen saving that $$$

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Cohen saving that $$$

You really need to talk to someone. This obsession isn't healthy. I'm not a Cohen fan by my God if you think this was a Cohen decision maybe you need to take a step away from MSU sports.

[Bothrops]

I'd like to pick up a big time LB, but so does every other non elite program. We need speed and punch there immediately. I still can't get over that bowl performance. I feel like someone should be beaten down for that embarrassment.

[Tater]

You really need to talk to someone. This obsession isn't healthy. I'm not a Cohen fan by my God if you think this was a Cohen decision maybe you need to take a step away from MSU sports.


you can tell by the user name that there isn't intelligence to be found. best to add to your ignore list

[Leeshouldveflanked]

KO
You really need to talk to someone. This obsession isn't healthy. I'm not a Cohen fan by my God if you think this was a Cohen decision maybe you need to take a step away from MSU sports.

A lot of people have taken a step away from MSU Athletics in the last 4-5 years. You hire assistant coaches on the ability to recruit. You have Bumphis and Peeler out there and instead you are going to promote from within? Thats either cost cutting or Laziness.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

KO

A lot of people have taken a step away from MSU Athletics in the last 4-5 years. You hire assistant coaches on the ability to recruit. You have Bumphis and Peeler out there and instead you are going to promote from within? Thats either cost cutting or Laziness.

Your anger is misguided then. Be mad at Leach not Cohen.

[vv83]

KO

A lot of people have taken a step away from MSU Athletics in the last 4-5 years. You hire assistant coaches on the ability to recruit. You have Bumphis and Peeler out there and instead you are going to promote from within? Thats either cost cutting or Laziness.
It is lazy, but if you can’t tell, Leach is a lazy ass guy. He’s probably the laziest head coach in the country unfortunately but it’s who we got. No AD can tell their head coach what position coaches to hire, doesn’t work like that.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Or maybe Leach values things like loyalty and is rewarding a guy who has done a good job for us and giving him a shot?

[KOdawg1]

Or maybe Leach values things like loyalty and is rewarding a guy who has done a good job for us and giving him a shot?

Meh.

Bump was the hire to make. It was right there, but we went the easy route.

[MetEdDawg]

It is lazy, but if you can’t tell, Leach is a lazy ass guy. He’s probably the laziest head coach in the country unfortunately but it’s who we got. No AD can tell their head coach what position coaches to hire, doesn’t work like that.

If he is lazy, how have we signed the class we have? We don't recruit Top 25 on reputation. So he and his staff must be doing something.

Doubt we would have beaten the number of ranked teams we did this year if he was lazy. Mullen couldn't lick his way into as many as Leach did.

That narrative of Leach laziness I think is idiotic and not able to be supported.

[vv83]

If he is lazy, how have we signed the class we have? We don't recruit Top 25 on reputation. So he and his staff must be doing something.

Doubt we would have beaten the number of ranked teams we did this year if he was lazy. Mullen couldn't lick his way into as many as Leach did.

That narrative of Leach laziness I think is idiotic and not able to be supported.

Show me where I said the staff is lazy?

[MetEdDawg]

Show me where I said the staff is lazy?

Name for me one non lazy staff in the entire country that has a lazy head football coach.

Staffs are driven by the head coach. They don't just randomly do things by themselves. It's coordinated under the vision of the head coach. If the staff isn't lazy, the head coach isn't lazy.

[662dawg]

Show me where I said the staff is lazy?

You mean the Mike Leach staff?

[HancockCountyDog]

I'm pretty sure Kiffin spends more time in South Florida than Leach does, which is something I wouldn't have said a year ago. I mean, they are both there a lot, but I think Kiffin leaves his car running at the airport in Miami when he flies back to oxford.

[TrapGame]

I'm pretty sure Kiffin spends more time in South Florida than Leach does, which is something I wouldn't have said a year ago. I mean, they are both there a lot, but I think Kiffin leaves his car running at the airport in Miami when he flies back to oxford.

Corral said in an interview that Lebby had offensive camps and extra time with him going over plays. Lane Kiffin was nowhere to be found during these. Lebby was very hands on with the offense. Lane ain't getting that with Weiss Jr.

[HancockCountyDog]

Corral said in an interview that Lebby had offensive camps and extra time with him going over plays. Lane Kiffin was nowhere to be found during these. Lebby was very hands on with the offense. Lane ain't getting that with Weiss Jr.

Yeah, their offense takes a big step backwards unless they hit on a QB in the portal. It looks like USC and OU are going to trade QB's.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Meh.

Bump was the hire to make. It was right there, but we went the easy route.

Thats your opinion I guess

[Todd4State]

It is lazy, but if you can’t tell, Leach is a lazy ass guy. He’s probably the laziest head coach in the country unfortunately but it’s who we got. No AD can tell their head coach what position coaches to hire, doesn’t work like that.

If Leach was lazy he wouldn't be as successful as he is.

Eccentric? Yes. Lazy? No.

[KOdawg1]

Thats your opinion I guess

Yep, sure is.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

If Leach was lazy he wouldn't be as successful as he is.

Eccentric? Yes. Lazy? No.
What success has he had at MSU? So far we are paying him close to $1Million per win.

[Walkerhill]

What success has he had at MSU? So far we are paying him close to $1Million per win.

Trying to figure out if this is sarcasm or stupidity. Forgotten asterisks?

[vv83]

Trying to figure out if this is sarcasm or stupidity. Forgotten asterisks?

He’s 11-13 dude. Shown promise, but let’s not act like he’s there yet.

[Walkerhill]

He?s 11-13 dude. Shown promise, but let?s not act like he?s there yet.

Not saying it has been perfect by any means. But no successes? A&M, AU, and LSU away are big wins in the SEC. NC State and UK were good wins. I am not about moral victories but the UGA game was one of the gutsiest performances I have ever seen by any sports team.

The Memphis game and both Ole Misss games were big letdowns obviously. Although we pulled it out the La. Tech performance was a head scratcher. The bowl performance this year was downright terrible.

I think it would be fair to say Leach has been inconsistent, including flat performances. But to say there have been no success at State is just off the mark.

[Pancho]

The big question is can he win 7 next year?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

The big question is can he win 7 next year?

Next year should be 8 at least.

[vv83]

Next year should be 8 at least.

100%. No more excuses

[WhiskeyPirate]

100%. No more excuses

Is the recruiting better than it’s been in the past ? How is that lazy ?

Who is making excuses ?

[vv83]

Is the recruiting better than it?s been in the past ? How is that lazy ?

Who is making excuses ?

What, are we Ole Miss now? Give me wins and beat our rival

[Tater]

Trying to figure out if this is sarcasm or stupidity. Forgotten asterisks?

The username screams stupidity. FFS the guy openly wishes the South would have won the civil war. Do you seriously expect intelligent discourse?

[HancockCountyDog]

Any more names in the portal?

The Pegues kid at AU just hit portal, he was starting to show some promise on the DL.

Any other OL we should be watching?

[Catfish]

Any news on the kicker from Coastal Carolina?

[Cooterpoot]

Any news on the kicker from Coastal Carolina?

Already in the bag & Pegues is headed to OM.

[Commercecomet24]

Already in the bag & Pegues is headed to OM.

Glad to hear this about the kicker. Hadn't heard any updates on him recently

[Walkerhill]

The username screams stupidity. FFS the guy openly wishes the South would have won the civil war. Do you seriously expect intelligent discourse?

What? Walker Hill is a place, not a person. At least as far as I am referencing it. Any reference at all to what you are talking about is unknown and unintentional.

(Edit - never mind you are talking about the person I responded to. Did not even notice their name. Mod feel free to delete this)

[Todd4State]

What success has he had at MSU? So far we are paying him close to $1Million per win.

Are you serious? He's had two of the biggest comeback wins in school history and we were able to beat a couple of top 25 teams last year not even counting Texas A&M. With a team of mostly sophomores and juniors and almost no seniors. And we have a QB being mentioned as a potential Heisman contender while our recruiting is close to top 20. We set the SEC passing record in his first game too.

[yjnkdawg]

Are you serious? He's had two of the biggest comeback wins in school history and we were able to beat a couple of top 25 teams last year not even counting Texas A&M. With a team of mostly sophomores and juniors and almost no seniors. And we have a QB being mentioned as a potential Heisman contender while our recruiting is close to top 20. We set the SEC passing record in his first game too.

This is supposed to be a MSU football recruiting thread but that Dude is going to hijack it so we all know how bad CML has done (according to his expertise***).

[KOdawg1]

Glad to hear this about the kicker. Hadn't heard any updates on him recently

He's already in the student database.

Must not be big into announcements

[Cooterpoot]

Leach hasn't done anything special at all. But things are moving in a positive direction. Let's see how next season goes before we declare success/failure. Look at OM last year to this year. No reason we can't do something like that next season.

[Mjoelner34]

Leach hasn't done anything special at all. But things are moving in a positive direction. Let's see how next season goes before we declare success/failure. Look at OM last year to this year. No reason we can't do something like that next season.

We could have done it this year with a kicker.

[Cooterpoot]

We could have done it this year with a kicker.

Definitely cost us a couple games. And we had a great one, he just couldn't play.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Leach hasn't done anything special at all. But things are moving in a positive direction. Let's see how next season goes before we declare success/failure. Look at OM last year to this year. No reason we can't do something like that next season.

Pretty much agree , I’d throw the COVID year of 2020 out. It was like an extended version of spring ball.

Biggest factor right now IMO is the o line. That’s probably what success or failure next year hinges on. As immobile as will is, you really can’t allow any pass rush.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Any concern that the WVU transfer and UGA WR aren't officially on campus yet? David Murray says on 105.9 that they are still waiting to officially hear.

[Hot Rock]

Any concern that the WVU transfer and UGA WR aren't officially on campus yet? David Murray says on 105.9 that they are still waiting to officially hear.

I am concerned but I don't know crap about it.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Any concern that the WVU transfer and UGA WR aren't officially on campus yet? David Murray says on 105.9 that they are still waiting to officially hear.

No

[HancockCountyDog]

Any concern that the WVU transfer and UGA WR aren't officially on campus yet? David Murray says on 105.9 that they are still waiting to officially hear.

My understanding is that it takes a while to have this processed. These kids have a lot of paperwork to switch schools in a few weeks.

[Commercecomet24]

My understanding is that it takes a while to have this processed. These kids have a lot of paperwork to switch schools in a few weeks.

This. It ain't the nfl. If any of you have ever been through the athletic scholarship thing you understand what's involved and its even worse for a transfer.

[FISHDAWG]

This. It ain't the nfl. If any of you have ever been through the athletic scholarship thing you understand what's involved and its even worse for a transfer.

not to mention classes have already started ..... I wonder if this will jeopardize them being here for spring training

[BrunswickDawg]

not to mention classes have already started ..... I wonder if this will jeopardize them being here for spring training

Drop dead for enrolling in classes is next Tuesday - there is still a little time.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Drop dead for enrolling in classes is next Tuesday - there is still a little time.

& even that date has some wiggle room if needed

[Todd4State]

Our compliance staff needs to be a little more aggressive when it comes to getting these players eligible than they have in the past. I guarantee you if it was a recruiting violation they would be all over it.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Our compliance staff needs to be a little more aggressive when it comes to getting these players eligible than they have in the past. I guarantee you if it was a recruiting violation they would be all over it.

This has nothing to do with our compliance

[Homedawg]

Our compliance staff needs to be a little more aggressive when it comes to getting these players eligible than they have in the past. I guarantee you if it was a recruiting violation they would be all over it.

You have no clue....

[Todd4State]

This has nothing to do with our compliance

Well then who gets our players eligible? Everytime we have a NSD event and a player's paperwork comes in Bracky is right there looking at it.

[BrunswickDawg]

Well then who gets our players eligible? Everytime we have a NSD event and a player's paperwork comes in Bracky is right there looking at it.

The NCAA clearinghouse for one. The school the player is transferring from plays the biggest roll as they have to transmit info to the NCAA and MSU, and the NCAA has to clear them first.

[Dak Holliday]

How do transfers grade into a signing class?

[Cooterpoot]

How do transfers grade into a signing class?

Fraudulently for the most part

[Heydawg]

Steven Lasoya commits. Transfer IOL from Middle Tennessee. Thoughts anyone?

[Hot Rock]

How do transfers grade into a signing class?

They traditionally have not figured into your signing class. I think 247 is rating the portal. It does not do a good job of evaluating what you lost or even needed. So, a great portal class is good but what if you don't need it? I like to look at team talent composition but it won't be available for next year's team until team rosters are finalized. Here is last years:

https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

[Dak Holliday]

They traditionally have not figured into your signing class. I think 247 is rating the portal. It does not do a good job of evaluating what you lost or even needed. So, a great portal class is good but what if you don't need it? I like to look at team talent composition but it won't be available for next year's team until team rosters are finalized. Here is last years:

https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

Thank you. So when we took everything- signing class and portal, we were a composite rank of 30 last year with our class? Just making I?m understanding this correctly.

[Hot Rock]

Steven Lasoya commits. Transfer IOL from Middle Tennessee. Thoughts anyone?

His rating out of HS is not all that but an OL can grow and develop so dang much after 3 years of college. Has been there 3 years starting some the 2nd year and 11 of 13 games last year. Due to RS & Covid years he has 3 years left to play. Sounds good to me for a 4th year guy.

Nice size for an IOL at 6' 4" 305lbs or so, played Tackle in 11 of 13 games last year so I would be willing to bet he can help us even if he can't be the one that moves out to Tackle. We ask our inside guys to cover more space than most and he has been playing tackle. Our coaches must have liked what they saw.

[Hot Rock]

Thank you. So when we took everything- signing class and portal, we were a composite rank of 30 last year with our class? Just making I?m understanding this correctly.

Yes,

We lost a lot of guys that had good ratings like TE's & Dual Threat QBs that brought our overall team talent down.

One thing, none of these ratings really tell the whole story. Young teams usually don't do as well as older ones and we have been extremely young the last couple of years.

[Dak Holliday]

Yes,

We lost a lot of guys that had good ratings like TE's & Dual Threat QBs that brought our overall team talent down.

One thing, none of these ratings really tell the whole story. Young teams usually don't do as well as older ones and we have been extremely young the last couple of years.

👍🏼

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Steven Lasoya commits. Transfer IOL from Middle Tennessee. Thoughts anyone?

Recruiting him as RT. He's played mostly LT at MTSU this past year.

[Hot Rock]

Recruiting him as RT. He's played mostly LT at MTSU this past year.

So, why do they list him as an inside OL? I just figure we will put the best 5 guys out there wherever they go.

[DCdawg]

MJ Daniels is in the portal.

[Tater]

So, why do they list him as an inside OL? I just figure we will put the best 5 guys out there wherever they go.

Laziness to update that he changed positions. Why bother for a small school and State?

[Heydawg]

Do we have interest in MJ? Aren?t we still on the lookout for some secondary portal guys?

[KOdawg1]

Do we have interest in MJ? Aren?t we still on the lookout for some secondary portal guys?

I'd take him. We need a young DB and an older safety. He can be the young one

[Hambone]

MJ only has a couple days to make the switch now. If he were to come would it be a summer enrollment for him?

[Todd4State]

MJ only has a couple days to make the switch now. If he were to come would it be a summer enrollment for him?

I think we would likely find a way to get him on campus as soon as possible.

But I don't think we could totally rule out a summer enrollment either if it works out better for MSU. I just don't think it's as likely.

[FriarsPoint]

Recruiting him as RT. He's played mostly LT at MTSU this past year.

MmmHmmm. Going forward, the staff has on paper, filled all but one hole on the OL. I still hate the scheme, like what they?re doing on the OL. Impressed so far. Just wish they?d untie that other hand from behind their back.

[Tater]

MmmHmmm. Going forward, the staff has on paper, filled all but one hole on the OL. I still hate the scheme, like what they?re doing on the OL. Impressed so far. Just wish they?d untie that other hand from behind their back.

What hole?

Lewis - LT
Jones - LG
Sharp - C
Smith - RG
Lesoya- RT

with Dolla Bill as first alternate for 4 of the spots most likely.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

What hole?

Lewis - LT
Jones - LG
Sharp - C
Smith - RG
Lesoya- RT

with Dolla Bill as first alternate for 4 of the spots most likely.

I also hope we can sign Princeton Pines to replace Smith in that starting lineup.

[Leroy Jenkins]

What hole?

Lewis - LT
Jones - LG
Sharp - C
Smith - RG
Lesoya- RT


If we are depending on a guy who has only played one year of OL in his life to come in and be a starting SEC LT, he must be the 2nd coming of Jackie Slater, or we have no other choice.
His technique is not good, he's a waist-bender and he lunges forward and off balance. The thing he does have is the raw material to develop, and he has plenty of that.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I also hope we can sign Princeton Pines to replace Smith in that starting lineup.

Cole Smith makes us better in my opinion he has some nasty

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Cole Smith makes us better in my opinion he has some nasty

He has some nasty but he can be overpowered.

[Hambone]

https://twitter.com/mjdaniels11/status/1485331538220916740?s=21

[Heydawg]

How is Albert Reese looking? Need another year in the program to slide into a starting position?

[Cowbell]

https://twitter.com/mjdaniels11/status/1485331538220916740?s=21

Now that my friends is how you make a little extra cash

[Pancho]

played em twice

[BuckyIsAB****]

He has some nasty but he can be overpowered.

Hes the best we got I think. Gives us all he has

We really are not losing much offensively or defensively. Other than Cross of course. If we get a lot of the covid seniors to come back we have no excuse not to win big. It is time for Leaches big year the stars are aligning hopefully

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Hes the best we got I think.

That's why I said I want to get Pines.

[maroonmania]

played em twice

I think he will be playing them annually. Imagine what he will be asking for if he actually starts contributing on the field.

[Todd4State]

I also hope we can sign Princeton Pines to replace Smith in that starting lineup.

I think Leach wants two legit strings of offensive linemen that he can rotate into the game. I'm not concerned about who starts and who doesn't.

[Cowbell]

I think Leach wants two legit strings of offensive linemen that he can rotate into the game. I'm not concerned about who starts and who doesn't.

Todd... I like you man...so ima advise you to delete this post.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I think Leach wants two legit strings of offensive linemen that he can rotate into the game. I'm not concerned about who starts and who doesn't.

Leach doesn't do that at all. In fact nobody does that.

[Todd4State]

Todd... I like you man...so ima advise you to delete this post.

I don't care that much about it.

[Op4isabitch]

Leach doesn't do that at all. In fact nobody does that.

Signed 1A and 1B.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Signed 1A and 1B.

Yea because we all remember that 1B OL

[Commercecomet24]

Yea because we all remember that 1B OL

Yeah that 1A/1B stuff was a Geoff Collins creation for the defense.

[HancockCountyDog]

Yeah that 1A/1B stuff was a Geoff Collins creation for the defense.

Everyone rotates DL, I don't really understand the hatred for that. OL doesn't rotate.

[Commercecomet24]

Everyone rotates DL, I don't really understand the hatred for that. OL doesn't rotate.

I believe it's because Collins rotated the whole front 7 not just the dl. We had to many backups on the field together at one time.

[Cowbell]

I believe it's because Collins rotated the whole front 7 not just the dl. We had to many backups on the field together at one time.

This is the right answer

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

A little OT, but What's the deal with Bumphis? I know, I know but Bo Bounds is putting out that MSU offered him the RB coach and he turned us down. Peeler is already at Mizzou. Are we going to hire from within and not get a recruiter with MSU/Mississippi ties?

[FISHDAWG]

A little OT, but What's the deal with Bumphis? I know, I know but Bo Bounds is putting out that MSU offered him the RB coach and he turned us down. Peeler is already at Mizzou. Are we going to hire from within and not get a recruiter with MSU/Mississippi ties?

what would Bumphis know about running backs ? I'm not sure I'm seeing this correctly

[Cooterpoot]

Hiring within. Really, already promoted someone. They've been on the road recruiting.

[Bdawg]

Hiring within. Really, already promoted someone. They've been on the road recruiting.

Did we even interview, or were we just lazy? Hope the'guy can recruit but the system should be able to recruit recievers.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Looks like RJ Moss was dropped.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Maybe there is more to the story with Moss, but the optics are not good to drop a guy this late.

[KOdawg1]

Looks like RJ Moss was dropped.

Pretty shitty move 5 days before signing day. Especially considering we were ready to host him on an OV a day or two ago, and he's probably going to end up qualifying. You can't pull a move like this with an in-state kid.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Pretty shitty move 5 days before signing day. Especially considering we were ready to host him on an OV a day or two ago, and he's probably going to end up qualifying. You can't pull a move like this with an in-state kid.

The optics are not good, but he was told before then not to come.

[Homedawg]

Pretty shitty move 5 days before signing day. Especially considering we were ready to host him on an OV a day or two ago, and he's probably going to end up qualifying. You can't pull a move like this with an in-state kid.
The optics are bad for sure ..

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

I'm sure the clarion ledger will be all over it.

[thf24]

There has to be more to the story. It makes zero sense that the staff suddenly came to this conclusion five days before signing day and executed swiftly. All their evaluations on him were in in December; why not drop him prior to the first signing day if you thought he was a borderline player and had reason not to take his signature at that point?

[Westdawg]

Maybe there is more to the story with Moss, but the optics are not good to drop a guy this late.

Somebody please DM me what happened here. I can?t believe we dropped that kid - at this late in the process - AND AT A POSITION OF NEED, with an instate kid that showed out

[Cowboydawg]

There has to be more to the story. It makes zero sense that the staff suddenly came to this conclusion five days before signing day and executed swiftly. All their evaluations on him were in in December; why not drop him prior to the first signing day if you thought he was a borderline player and had reason not to take his signature at that point?

A few false narratives that are being spread.
1. That he is on track to qualify.
2. That he and his family were caught off guard by this.

It is possible he can qualify but he is definitely not ?on track?. It is a looooooong shot. The staff did not lie to him. In fact they have consistently and openly encouraged him and his family to look at other schools. This did not blindside them. They knew this was a possibility and took the news much better than MSU message board posters did.

[Catfish]

A few false narratives that are being spread.
1. That he is on track to qualify.
2. That he and his family were caught off guard by this.

It is possible he can qualify but he is definitely not ?on track?. It is a looooooong shot. The staff did not lie to him. In fact they have consistently and openly encouraged him and his family to look at other schools. This did not blindside them. They knew this was a possibility and took the news much better than MSU message board posters did.

Thanks for the update.

[KOdawg1]

A few false narratives that are being spread.
1. That he is on track to qualify.
2. That he and his family were caught off guard by this.

It is possible he can qualify but he is definitely not ?on track?. It is a looooooong shot. The staff did not lie to him. In fact they have consistently and openly encouraged him and his family to look at other schools. This did not blindside them. They knew this was a possibility and took the news much better than MSU message board posters did.
This isn't what people in Biloxi are saying.

[Cowboydawg]

This isn't what people in Biloxi are saying.

So far there has only been one side of the story going around. This is the other side and from someone I have known for a while?and happens to be on staff. Somebody I trust very much.

[KOdawg1]

So far there has only been one side of the story going around. This is the other side and from someone I have known for a while?and happens to be on staff. Somebody I trust very much.

Cool. There are always two sides of every story, but regardless of what's correct, the optics of this are terrible, and the staff could've handled it better.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

You cant sign someone nowadays that may be a qualifying risk.

[KOdawg1]

You cant sign someone nowadays that may be a qualifying risk.

Then drop him in December. You knew he was a risk. Offer him a blue shirt in December instead of waiting 5 days until signing day to do it. His grades haven't magically tanked in 3 weeks since students returned to school. I don't have a problem with the decision to drop him. I have a problem with the timing of it. Because now our reputation is hurt in south MS. Whether some admit that or not.

[Cowboydawg]

Then drop him in December. You knew he was a risk. Offer him a blue shirt in December instead of waiting 5 days until signing day to do it. His grades haven't magically tanked in 3 weeks since students returned to school. I don't have a problem with the decision to drop him. I have a problem with the timing of it. Because now our reputation is hurt in south MS. Whether some admit that or not.

He was not offered a blueshirt. He has known all along what he needed to do to sign. He was encouraged to look at other schools all along because MSU was not going to take the risk on signing day if they did not feel he would qualify. A lot of schools stayed away from him because of his grades. You are correct, his grades did not magically tank in three weeks. If school ended in December he was not getting in and it was not even close. And that is with the improvement he had shown. On paper he could still qualify but if he basically needed a flawless final semester, then 3 weeks was enough to know that was not happening. Once again, this comes from the other side of the story so choose to believe whoever. Guess we will know when it is time to enroll.

[KOdawg1]

He was not offered a blueshirt. He has known all along what he needed to do to sign. He was encouraged to look at other schools all along because MSU was not going to take the risk on signing day if they did not feel he would qualify. A lot of schools stayed away from him because of his grades. You are correct, his grades did not magically tank in three weeks. If school ended in December he was not getting in and it was not even close. And that is with the improvement he had shown. On paper he could still qualify but if he basically needed a flawless final semester, then 3 weeks was enough to know that was not happening. Once again, this comes from the other side of the story so choose to believe whoever. Guess we will know when it is time to enroll.

Paul Jones says otherwise

[Cowboydawg]

Paul Jones says otherwise

Yeah I noticed. Asked about that and was told he was wrong.

[Tater]

Oh no we have one family in coastal mississippi spreading bad word about our recruiting. Meanwhile our in state rival had a murderer coach on staff last year. Along with another dude involved in covering up rape.

Gtfoh acting like this will be an issue in 2 years let alone 2 months.

Idc if their side is even true. Welcome to the big leagues. The only people worried about that are borderline kids who won't move the needle at the top.

[Pancho]

Juco is an excellent route to get the grades in order. One cannot risk signing one with questionable grades now.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

If he was any good and from the coast, he would be going to LSU. Maybe he'll go to JSU snd let Coach Prime rescue him for some PR.

[KOdawg1]

Gtfoh acting like this will be an issue in 2 years let alone 2 months.


No.

Ask the people in the Byhalia area how they feel about the Ole Miss coaching staff after they dropped Makylan Pounders a few days before signing day.

Y'all are in spin mode, and I get it, but this is a terrible look and pretty much assures we won't be getting a kid from Biloxi any time soon. That's coming straight from a coach on staff at BHS.

[Bdawg]

No.

Ask the people in the Byhalia area how they feel about the Ole Miss coaching staff after they dropped Makylan Pounders a few days before signing day.

Y'all are in spin mode, and I get it, but this is a terrible look and pretty much assures we won't be getting a kid from Biloxi any time soon. That's coming straight from a coach on staff at BHS.

I find it really hard to believe we kept the family in the dark and just unknowingly drop him on his ass at the last minute, especially when committed for so long. Use some common sense. It's not like him and his family didn't know he was a grade risk anyway. Sounds to me like we gave him his best chance at coming to the SEC and he just didn't improve enough to take a chance on. The grades are on the student. Period. Kids today should know schools can't sign guys in Feb hoping they make it to school because you can't risk losing that scholarship.
Pounders is waaaay different to me. OM flipped the kid late in the game with what looks like they had no intensions of signing him in the first place. They truly dropped him on his ass at the last minute and, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think grades were a risk like they were here.

[KOdawg1]

I find it really hard to believe we kept the family in the dark and just unknowingly drop him on his ass at the last minute, especially when committed for so long. Use some common sense. It's not like him and his family didn't know he was a grade risk anyway. Sounds to me like we gave him his best chance at coming to the SEC and he just didn't improve enough to take a chance on. The grades are on the student. Period. Kids today should know schools can't sign guys in Feb hoping they make it to school because you can't risk losing that scholarship.
Pounders is waaaay different to me. OM flipped the kid late in the game with what looks like they had no intensions of signing him in the first place. They truly dropped him on his ass at the last minute and, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think grades were a risk like they were here.

Don't have to use common sense. Just going off of what Steve Robertson, Paul Jones, and his coach at Biloxi have said. Think I'm gonna believe them over ED message board posters. Believe whatever you want to believe though.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

No.

Ask the people in the Byhalia area how they feel about the Ole Miss coaching staff after they dropped Makylan Pounders a few days before signing day.

Y'all are in spin mode, and I get it, but this is a terrible look and pretty much assures we won't be getting a kid from Biloxi any time soon. That's coming straight from a coach on staff at BHS.
Wasnt Biloxi 3-7 last year? Maybe this coach should be worried about his job. He may not be around to assure anything. If the kid is borderline on qualifying thats on the coach and parents.

[Pancho]

sound like the coach needs to make himself useful in a study hall type format to aid his students cuz this kid needs much grade help. I'm not sure Biloxi will be producing any SEC level talent anytime soon so that is a non factor.

[Cowboydawg]

Don't have to use common sense. Just going off of what Steve Robertson, Paul Jones, and his coach at Biloxi have said. Think I'm gonna believe them over ED message board posters. Believe whatever you want to believe though.

If that?s the case, then our staff told him you can?t sign in December because of grades but you can sign in February because grades don?t matter then? According to Steve, Paul, and the Biloxi coach what did our staff tell Moss the reason was he could not sign in December?

[KOdawg1]

sound like the coach needs to make himself useful in a study hall type format to aid his students cuz this kid needs much grade help. I'm not sure Biloxi will be producing any SEC level talent anytime soon so that is a non factor.

They've put out 2 D1 players the last 2 years.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

They've put out 2 D1 players the last 2 years.

Name some players from Biloxi High School that signed to play football at MSU in last 10 years? Walley went to Diberville.

[KOdawg1]

Name some players from Biloxi High School that signed to play football at MSU in last 10 years? Walley went to Diberville.

Where did I say we signed any players there? I was just saying, they've put out some decent players the last few years, so I'm not willing to justify cutting ties there.

I'm aware where Walley went to school.

[Dawgology]

Name some players from Biloxi High School that signed to play football at MSU in last 10 years? Walley went to Diberville.

This is where I’m at. Most of the coast schools have aligned themselves with LSU. We aren’t ever making in roads down there unfortunately. This is a big nothing burger.

[Dawgology]

No.

Ask the people in the Byhalia area how they feel about the Ole Miss coaching staff after they dropped Makylan Pounders a few days before signing day.

Y'all are in spin mode, and I get it, but this is a terrible look and pretty much assures we won't be getting a kid from Biloxi any time soon. That's coming straight from a coach on staff at BHS.

Gosh…they must have lost the Sugar Bowl this year because they didn’t have the support of Byhalia…

[KOdawg1]

Gosh…they must have lost the Sugar Bowl this year because they didn’t have the support of Byhalia…

I mean, that's a weird conclusion to come to but okay

[Leroy Jenkins]

No.

Ask the people in the Byhalia area how they feel about the Ole Miss coaching staff after they dropped Makylan Pounders a few days before signing day.

Y'all are in spin mode, and I get it, but this is a terrible look and pretty much assures we won't be getting a kid from Biloxi any time soon. That's coming straight from a coach on staff at BHS.

You cannot sign a grade risk kid anymore. If you accept the LOI they count against your grant allocation, irrespective of if they make it to school or not. That scholarship is gone for the term. If you cant get accepted into school you cant play football, end of story.

You are the one spinning here, the blame rests on the kid and the adults in his life who allowed him to (potentially) fail. This ain't the place for clutching pearls. Pounders story is completely different because he was a qualifier.

Somewhere there is a player who will get this scholly because he did the work.

https://c.tenor.com/D75xWs1BJTIAAAAd/crying-cry.gif

[Commercecomet24]

You cannot sign a grade risk kid anymore. If you accept the LOI they count against your grant allocation, irrespective of if they make it to school or not. That scholarship is gone for the term. If you cant get accepted into school you cant play football, end of story.

You are the one spinning here, the blame rests on the kid and the adults in his life who allowed him to (potentially) fail. This ain't the place for clutching pearls. Pounders story is completely different because he was a qualifier.

Somewhere there is a player who will get this scholly because he did the work.

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This. And just about every school has dropped a kid for this very reason. Heck even Saban has dropped kids right before signing day. It's part of it. If you don't put in the work in the classroom you don't reap the benefits. They knew this was coming because of the lack of production in the classroom.

[Hambone]

Now Commerce you have to know that in todays age you cannot accept liability for your own actions. It’s always someone else’s fault.

Does the timing stink, absolutely. But, maybe this helps pursuance the next player in this situation to work a little harder.

[KOdawg1]

This is the last post I'll make on the topic because we're cluttering the recruiting thread and signing day is next week.

I'm not arguing that we shouldn't have dropped the kid bc he was a grade risk. That's what y'all are missing. No where have I said that. I'm arguing that the timing of it is wrong. You knew he was a grade risk in December. So you told him to sign in February. Then 5 days before signing day, you offer him a blue shirt. Obviously that option had not been discussed given the fact he took issue with it. Now him taking issue with it is another argument. I would've probably taken it if it were me and I felt I could get eligible. But the blue shirt should've been offered in December. His grades didn't magically change one way or the other in a month, especially since half that time was Christmas break. Luckily, for him (and us) it looks like he's gonna land on his feet at South Alabama. That's great.

In my opinion, it was a bad look, but it's all water under the bridge now.

[KOdawg1]

You cannot sign a grade risk kid anymore.

You are the one spinning here

See post above.

No spinning here.

[KOdawg1]

This. And just about every school has dropped a kid for this very reason.

See post above.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

So Steve always toes the company line but on his latest podcast he basically back door called out the coaching staff for the timing. Interesting.

[Hambone]

What’s the feel on Ajay Allen?

[KOdawg1]

What’s the feel on Ajay Allen?
No one really knows I don't think. Could be us, TCU, or Nebraska. I'd love to get him because he's talented

[BayouDawg]

So Steve always toes the company line but on his latest podcast he basically back door called out the coaching staff for the timing. Interesting.

I think its because the recruiting insiders need good relations with the high school coaches so they put that out there to stay on the high schools good side. Thats just my estimated guess as to why he wouldnt tote water for state though so its probably wrong.

[MetEdDawg]

This is the last post I'll make on the topic because we're cluttering the recruiting thread and signing day is next week.

I'm not arguing that we shouldn't have dropped the kid bc he was a grade risk. That's what y'all are missing. No where have I said that. I'm arguing that the timing of it is wrong. You knew he was a grade risk in December. So you told him to sign in February. Then 5 days before signing day, you offer him a blue shirt. Obviously that option had not been discussed given the fact he took issue with it. Now him taking issue with it is another argument. I would've probably taken it if it were me and I felt I could get eligible. But the blue shirt should've been offered in December. His grades didn't magically change one way or the other in a month, especially since half that time was Christmas break. Luckily, for him (and us) it looks like he's gonna land on his feet at South Alabama. That's great.

In my opinion, it was a bad look, but it's all water under the bridge now.

As an assistant principal, I will tell you that grades can and do change in a month. Grades for first semester in a lot of public schools aren't finalized until January after we come back from Christmas Break. So as a college, you can take a kids word in December, but officially, as a school, you won't get notification of a students 1st semester final grades until the middle of January.

The school I work at in Alabama, we didn't finalize grades until January 11th. So you can get word of mouth from a kid, but as a college you don't get official grade reports until early to middle January.

I cut colleges a lot of slack in most cases in situations like this. When a students admittance into college rides on grades that are finalized 3 weeks before signing day, you can get put in some bad situations. I don't know the specifics of this one. But colleges can't technically get access to official grades until they are finalized. So it's entirely possible the outlook for this child didn't require a response from us until we were able to get that information officially.

Like I said, I don't know the specifics of this one, but I do know how grade reporting works and what colleges can and can't do in regards to accessing official grades of students, even if they are prospects.

[Cowboydawg]

As an assistant principal, I will tell you that grades can and do change in a month. Grades for first semester in a lot of public schools aren't finalized until January after we come back from Christmas Break. So as a college, you can take a kids word in December, but officially, as a school, you won't get notification of a students 1st semester final grades until the middle of January.

The school I work at in Alabama, we didn't finalize grades until January 11th. So you can get word of mouth from a kid, but as a college you don't get official grade reports until early to middle January.

I cut colleges a lot of slack in most cases in situations like this. When a students admittance into college rides on grades that are finalized 3 weeks before signing day, you can get put in some bad situations. I don't know the specifics of this one. But colleges can't technically get access to official grades until they are finalized. So it's entirely possible the outlook for this child didn't require a response from us until we were able to get that information officially.

Like I said, I don't know the specifics of this one, but I do know how grade reporting works and what colleges can and can't do in regards to accessing official grades of students, even if they are prospects.

Correct. You wait for the official grades and then you determine what the kid needs to do in the Spring/Summer to get qualified. In this case the staff pulled the plug us soon as they had all the information.

[Bdawg]

Don't have to use common sense. Just going off of what Steve Robertson, Paul Jones, and his coach at Biloxi have said. Think I'm gonna believe them over ED message board posters. Believe whatever you want to believe though.

I listened to Steve too. He only said he wished it happened earlier, but it's also on the kid to make the grades. If he makes the grades, he's at state right now. What's the parents and kid gunna tell Leach when he doesn't qualify? "Sorry we cost you a scholarship, but we won't talk bad about you now." Steve and them don't know everything. And if our coaches are that incompetent in being up front with a recruit, they really suck at recruiting. I find it really hard to believe they are that stupid(like I said, common sense.) I feel like we gave the kid his best opportunity for SEC play by sticking with him the longest until we just knew it was too risky.

[Bdawg]

If that?s the case, then our staff told him you can?t sign in December because of grades but you can sign in February because grades don?t matter then? According to Steve, Paul, and the Biloxi coach what did our staff tell Moss the reason was he could not sign in December?

Exactly, kid knew why he was held over. And I'm willing to bet, knew this could happen if things didn't improve.

[Bdawg]

So who else are other options right now besides Ajay, our OLman that has to graduate(Pines?) and I believe our one visitor(can't remember).

[maroonmania]

His grades didn't magically change one way or the other in a month, especially since half that time was Christmas break.

Not sure if you can say that. IF his eligibilty was highly dependent on his final grades for the Fall semester and IF those final grades were not available to our coaching staff until 2 or 3 weeks into January, then our staff may just now be realizing that he is very unlikely to get eligible. Now that his Fall grades are in they do pretty much know exactly what he would have to accomplish in the Spring to get eligible and it may be more than we think he can do. None of that would have been known in December. Bottom line is that if he was ready to sign in December and we would not let him, then I think that should have been all the indication he would have needed to start looking into other options. Its not like there are any other SEC or other P5 schools rushing in to take him.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Good player, bad grades but it’s the coaching staffs fault. BS. This happens every year to every program in all sports.

[SilentSteel16]

Who are the kids that secretly signed with us the 1st day but wanted to announce with their classmates. Also, I believe one was trying to surprise a relative or something. Who were they?

[Bothrops]

Who are the kids that secretly signed with us the 1st day but wanted to announce with their classmates. Also, I believe one was trying to surprise a relative or something. Who were they?

Zavion Thomas and Kayden Pope both WR.

[SilentSteel16]

Zavion Thomas and Kayden Pope both WR.

Thanks

[Hot Rock]

No.

Ask the people in the Byhalia area how they feel about the Ole Miss coaching staff after they dropped Makylan Pounders a few days before signing day.

Y'all are in spin mode, and I get it, but this is a terrible look and pretty much assures we won't be getting a kid from Biloxi any time soon. That's coming straight from a coach on staff at BHS.

From my vantage point, it is two different situations. Ole Miss blindsided Pounders with this information just a few days before signing. RJ Moss told from day one we would not be signing him if it looks like he would not qualify on signing day. He was even encouraged to look elsewhere but no other SEC program or major P5 is going to sign him either with these grade issues. He can still go to South Alabama or JuCo, get his grades in order and transfer to a P5 if he can prove himself.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

College isnt for everyone.

[Homedawg]

This is the last post I'll make on the topic because we're cluttering the recruiting thread and signing day is next week.

I'm not arguing that we shouldn't have dropped the kid bc he was a grade risk. That's what y'all are missing. No where have I said that. I'm arguing that the timing of it is wrong. You knew he was a grade risk in December. So you told him to sign in February. Then 5 days before signing day, you offer him a blue shirt. Obviously that option had not been discussed given the fact he took issue with it. Now him taking issue with it is another argument. I would've probably taken it if it were me and I felt I could get eligible. But the blue shirt should've been offered in December. His grades didn't magically change one way or the other in a month, especially since half that time was Christmas break. Luckily, for him (and us) it looks like he's gonna land on his feet at South Alabama. That's great.

In my opinion, it was a bad look, but it's all water under the bridge now.

This is correct. Nothing changed between dec and now. We handled it very poorly to say the least

[Todd4State]

From my vantage point, it is two different situations. Ole Miss blindsided Pounders with this information just a few days before signing. RJ Moss told from day one we would not be signing him if it looks like he would not qualify on signing day. He was even encouraged to look elsewhere but no other SEC program or major P5 is going to sign him either with these grade issues. He can still go to South Alabama or JuCo, get his grades in order and transfer to a P5 if he can prove himself.

Or enter the portal.

[PCHSDawg]

This is correct. Nothing changed between dec and now. We handled it very poorly to say the least

Except you seem to have missed the part where they may have just found out that his grades from December weren't good enough to qualify.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Except you seem to have missed the part where they may have just found out that his grades from December weren't good enough to qualify.

So drop him in December. They've had his grades since December.

[trob115]

Look, I see both sides of the story. RJ was not forthcoming with this grades. He is definitely behind in the classroom, and is more than likely not going to qualify. He knew what he needed grade wise to be part of this class. He didn't hold up his end of the bargain. Was told upfront that our staff needed to see that he was on track to qualify.
I know a coach on staff there and he's a great dude. RJ still thinks he will have the grades, but he missed the mark for progress for our staff. I get why both sides are miffed. Recruiting isn't always black and white. Our staff doesn't want to lose a grant and RJ thinks he will still qualify. That's the gist of what is going on. From what I know, Blue shirt is still a possibility.

[KOdawg1]

So drop him in December. They've had his grades since December.

Ding ding ding

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Look, I see both sides of the story. RJ was not forthcoming with this grades. He is definitely behind in the classroom, and is more than likely not going to qualify. He knew what he needed grade wise to be part of this class. He didn't hold up his end of the bargain. Was told upfront that our staff needed to see that he was on track to qualify.
I know a coach on staff there and he's a great dude. RJ still thinks he will have the grades, but he missed the mark for progress for our staff. I get why both sides are miffed. Recruiting isn't always black and white. Our staff doesn't want to lose a grant and RJ thinks he will still qualify. That's the gist of what is going on. From what I know, Blue shirt is still a possibility.

It's not like RJ can hide his grades. They have transcripts. The only problem with this is the timing. Nothing with his transcript has changed after 3 weeks of the 2nd semester.

[MetEdDawg]

So drop him in December. They've had his grades since December.

They've probably had his true grades since a couple weeks ago.

Grades don't get finalized and accessible officially by schools until into January.

A lot of folks think colleges get grades in December when kids leave for break. That's not true. They might have gotten word of mouth about his 1st semester grades, but nothing official until January.

When it comes to colleges taking high schools kids, I'm not going to take some kids word over what their transcript officially says. Because the transcript is what gets you qualified not a kids word.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

They've probably had his true grades since a couple weeks ago.

Grades don't get finalized and accessible officially by schools until into January.

A lot of folks think colleges get grades in December when kids leave for break. That's not true. They might have gotten word of mouth about his 1st semester grades, but nothing official until January.

When it comes to colleges taking high schools kids, I'm not going to take some kids word over what their transcript officially says. Because the transcript is what gets you qualified not a kids word.

No P5 Coaching staff is taking the word of a kid when it comes to grades.

[Cowboydawg]

It's not like RJ can hide his grades. They have transcripts. The only problem with this is the timing. Nothing with his transcript has changed after 3 weeks of the 2nd semester.

The problem with your theory here is you are vastly underestimating the work it takes teachers and administration to grade finals, record final grades and create an official transcript. If you have any family members or friends in the education system and school administration you should know this. I bet you think teachers really have the Summer off and don?t do any work at home either. I have 3 kids in the MS public school system and a wife that has taught 20+ years?among other family and friends that are Superintendents or Principals in this State. What you are describing is not how it works. Listen to the Principal a few pages back. Maybe you are a Principal and your school is the outlier. Maybe at Biloxi High School they spend their Christmas break creating 1700 transcripts or just the ones that demanded it. Or maybe you are just wrong. The staff did not have his transcript in December. The earliest they had it was January close to mid January.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

So how pissed would everyone be if we took his signature and he was a non qualifier? We would lose that scholarship for at least a year.

[KOdawg1]

So how pissed would everyone be if we took his signature and he was a non qualifier? We would lose that scholarship for at least a year.

No one is saying we should've signed him. Not a single person.

[Cowboydawg]

No one is saying we should've signed him. Not a single person.

But you are saying the staff had his grades in December when the fact is they did not. All we have heard is how he is on track to qualify. Where has that been coming from? Our staff has not been going around saying that. Have to love anonymous sources. When his official transcript came over in Mid January it showed that he was not on track to qualify.

[KOdawg1]

But you are saying the staff had his grades in December when the fact is they did not. All we have heard is how he is on track to qualify. Where has that been coming from? Our staff has not been going around saying that. Have to love anonymous sources. When his official transcript came over in Mid January it showed that he was not on track to qualify.

They had his transcript from the fall. You can believe that or not.

[Cowboydawg]

They had his transcript from the fall. You can believe that or not.

I could 100% prove you wrong but I will back off.

[KOdawg1]

I could 100% prove you wrong but I will back off.

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