2022 MSU FOOTBALL RECRUITING Discussion Thread

[Ari Gold]

Calm down. I meant that's not what IfYouOnlyKnew said. He said we weren't beating LSU for Mason without tripling what LSU offered.

Well maybe Mason told him differently..

I’m given out first hand info from the source.. if it’s not true then so be it..

[ShotgunDawg]

He tell you that personally?
And based on what he was making here I cant blame him for leaving. it was beyond laughable...

My final word on this is ..
Everyone that bitches and moans on why we don’t close or why we can’t land certain kids all circles back to the lack of effort we put into recruiting and recruiting guys we have on staff
Some didn’t see the importance of Pat Austin, you saw the results. Who do you think saw the importance and was big on getting Mason on this staff ? Pat Austin.
Go ask Rod Gibson how good this guy was. How many good contacts he had. How the kids and kids parents in the boot and Texas thought of him
Bottom line we dont have near enough guys like the Gibson’s and Smiths .. we don’t pay enough for these spots , we don’t value these positions..
And believe as much as Rod Gibson loves and bleeds maroon and white , if a school came after him with a little more cash don’t think he wouldn’t think long and hard about it

Money wasn’t the only factor in Mason leaving.. if we had countered offered with anything he would have at least listened and considered..

So again believe what you want I am basing all of this from one source.
I don’t care what Rosebowl reports , or what Pail Jones says, or a a certain coach on the staff tells someone , or even an ex staff member.

My info came from Mason Smith himself.

With that said we can get back to MSU recruiting..

Why don't you think we are committed?

Who doesn't want to be committed?

Who is holding us back because every fan I talk to wants to win badly

[MetEdDawg]

Why don't you think we are committed?

Who doesn't want to be committed?

Who is holding us back because every fan I talk to wants to win badly

Give more. We need to double our giving. We are last. And until we start throwing money at this it won't get fixed. Organizationally were are poor compared to the rest of the SEC. That's a fact. We need to double our giving to even sniff long term being a competitor.

I've stumped on this a long time and so many people continue to say money isn't an issue. It's an issue when you compare to the SEC. Top 25 recruiting classes are what we keep asking for. Guess what? That puts us best case scenario 8th or 9th in the conference. We need cash flow to fix our problem if we want to compete in the SEC consistently in football. Period.

[Bdawg]

Give more. We need to double our giving. We are last. And until we start throwing money at this it won't get fixed. Organizationally were are poor compared to the rest of the SEC. That's a fact. We need to double our giving to even sniff long term being a competitor.

I've stumped on this a long time and so many people continue to say money isn't an issue. It's an issue when you compare to the SEC. Top 25 recruiting classes are what we keep asking for. Guess what? That puts us best case scenario 8th or 9th in the conference. We need cash flow to fix our problem if we want to compete in the SEC consistently in football. Period.

Not saying your wrong, but with all this sec/tv contract money(millions) that we have gained within this decade and has been going up, we couldn't have used a sliver of that to raise a few salaries and hire some more recruiting guys? With how everyone says we are dirt cheap on salaries, it couldn't cost that much for a few raises and more positions could it? Exactly where is all this added money going to?

[Cooterpoot]

Why don't you think we are committed?

Who doesn't want to be committed?

Who is holding us back because every fan I talk to wants to win badly

It's not just sports we aren't committed to. We also aren't committed to being a better university. Our leadership is bad if commitment is what you want.

[Turfdawg67]

Give more. We need to double our giving. We are last. And until we start throwing money at this it won't get fixed. Organizationally were are poor compared to the rest of the SEC. That's a fact. We need to double our giving to even sniff long term being a competitor.

I've stumped on this a long time and so many people continue to say money isn't an issue. It's an issue when you compare to the SEC. Top 25 recruiting classes are what we keep asking for. Guess what? That puts us best case scenario 8th or 9th in the conference. We need cash flow to fix our problem if we want to compete in the SEC consistently in football. Period.

We are supposedly banking $15MM per year instead of spending it on salaries and positions. What makes you think increased alumni donations will be used for the right reasons?

[Bdawg]

We are supposedly banking $15MM per year instead of spending it on salaries and positions. What makes you think increased alumni donations will be used for the right reasons?

Yeah I don't get it either. Bank 14mm and take a mil for salaries and hires. Or 13. Or whatever it takes.

[Walkerhill]

Yeah I don't get it either. Bank 14mm and take a mil for salaries and hires. Or 13. Or whatever it takes.

Where does that info come from? Is that legit?

What would we do that - to dedicate it towards facility upgrades or something?

[Offshore Dawg]

It has been a observation through history that those who bitch the most give the least

[ShotgunDawg]

It has been a observation through history that those who bitch the most give the least


I think people would be more than willing to give if it were articulated what we need.

For example, where is this memo? "Dear Boosters, in order to keep up with the rest of the SEC in terms of recruiting staff, we need to raise $1 mil. These funds will go directly towards the hiring of 5 additional recruiting analysts. We plan on making the hires August 1st & need to raise the money by July 1st"

I'm sure if people knew what we needed, we'd get all the support anyone could ask for. However, when it seems like we're banking $14 mil a year from the TV contacts, people just aren't going to give funds that aren't earmarked towards a need.

This seems like total common sense yet it goes undone

[Ari Gold]

Calm down. I meant that's not what IfYouOnlyKnew said. He said we weren't beating LSU for Mason without tripling what LSU offered.

Having to triple what LSU offered is ridiculous.. and again false.
LSU didn’t even double what Mason was making here, which is why is embarrassing we didn’t even try and keep him. We had an ace in hole , his girlfriend lives here..

Again this is straight from the source.. who just happens to be Shaun Jr and Shazz God parent .. but According to our expert media guys it won’t a difference either way with Shazz where Mason is.. ok
Does that mean he won’t end up here? Not necessarily.. but our job just became twice as hard and in recruiting battles we need all the help we can get.

Different player, Jacoby Matthews who we were going to be in the game for and made his final 5 . Was probably going to be a signing day announcement and for sure later in the process, but hours after Mason tweets he is leaving State to take job with LSU , Jacoby commits to Tigers. Just saying

There are 2 WR that are going to be on the roster this season and you thank 2 guys for this . Rod Gibson for one and Mason Smith for the other.
Jacobi Moore
Theodore Knox
( you guys can figure out which coach to which player )

Again bottom line if we ever want to compete in the recruiting battles for guys when to comes to schools that aren’t just OM we need more behind the scene recruiting guys.. Rod Gibson can’t do it alone...

[sscjr1]

Having to triple what LSU offered is ridiculous.. and again false.
LSU didn’t even double what Mason was making here, which is why is embarrassing we didn’t even try and keep him. We had an ace in hole , his girlfriend lives here..

Again this is straight from the source.. who just happens to be Shaun Jr and Shazz God parent .. but According to our expert media guys it won’t a difference either way with Shazz where Mason is.. ok
Does that mean he won’t end up here? Not necessarily.. but our job just became twice as hard and in recruiting battles we need all the help we can get.

Different player, Jacoby Matthews who we were going to be in the game for and made his final 5 . Was probably going to be a signing day announcement and for sure later in the process, but hours after Mason tweets he is leaving State to take job with LSU , Jacoby commits to Tigers. Just saying

There are 2 WR that are going to be on the roster this season and you thank 2 guys for this . Rod Gibson for one and Mason Smith for the other.
Jacobi Moore
Theodore Knox
( you guys can figure out which coach to which player )

Again bottom line if we ever want to compete in the recruiting battles for guys when to comes to schools that aren’t just OM we need more behind the scene recruiting guys.. Rod Gibson can’t do it alone...

Don't know why you quoted me. I'm not the one who said it. Simply brought it to your attention

[ShotgunDawg]

Having to triple what LSU offered is ridiculous.. and again false.
LSU didn’t even double what Mason was making here, which is why is embarrassing we didn’t even try and keep him. We had an ace in hole , his girlfriend lives here..

Again this is straight from the source.. who just happens to be Shaun Jr and Shazz God parent .. but According to our expert media guys it won’t a difference either way with Shazz where Mason is.. ok
Does that mean he won’t end up here? Not necessarily.. but our job just became twice as hard and in recruiting battles we need all the help we can get.

Different player, Jacoby Matthews who we were going to be in the game for and made his final 5 . Was probably going to be a signing day announcement and for sure later in the process, but hours after Mason tweets he is leaving State to take job with LSU , Jacoby commits to Tigers. Just saying

There are 2 WR that are going to be on the roster this season and you thank 2 guys for this . Rod Gibson for one and Mason Smith for the other.
Jacobi Moore
Theodore Knox
( you guys can figure out which coach to which player )

Again bottom line if we ever want to compete in the recruiting battles for guys when to comes to schools that aren’t just OM we need more behind the scene recruiting guys.. Rod Gibson can’t do it alone...

Occum's Razor makes me logically believe we can't be this dumb.

I'm not saying you're completely wrong & perhaps perceptions are different depending on who you talk to, but logic tells me this doesn't add up as simply as you've made it sound here.

Again, I'm not saying we're not dumb at times, but this would be legit incompetence & I believe we're run somewhat better than that.

[KOdawg1]

We need 5 more Rod Gibsons.

[Cooterpoot]

We were never getting Matthews. As soon as LSU offered, that was all over but the recruiting trip goods. Losing Smith hurts but we'll be fine.
I think our chances with Shazz aren't as good as the media is making either.

[bulldawg28]

What are the odds we go after Jaren Handy? He's in the portal.

[Bothrops]

What are the odds we go after Jaren Handy? He's in the portal.

We need to get some transfers in here now. I'd take a 6'5 + receiver too if I could find a one that's played a good bit of big boy football.

[Cooterpoot]

What are the odds we go after Jaren Handy? He's in the portal.

We're not.

[bulldawg28]

We're not.

Why wouldn't we?

[Bothrops]

Why wouldn't we?

I'm not sure he could help us any.

[bulldawg28]

I'm not sure he could help us any.

Dude was a 4 star from Mississippi. I'm sure he could help plenty if he's willing to work

[Todd4State]

Dude was a 4 star from Mississippi. I'm sure he could help plenty if he's willing to work

That's assuming he was evaluated properly.

[bulldawg28]

That's assuming he was evaluated properly.

Assumed? He had plenty of SEC coaches that evaluated him and offered.

[sscjr1]

QB1 in the boat

[Bdawg]

Always good to get the QB. What does everyone think of him? Saw a few few highlights and looks like he should be comfortable with this system.

[Cooterpoot]

Assumed? He had plenty of SEC coaches that evaluated him and offered.

He was never an SEC guy. He's a G5 player.

[ShotgunDawg]

Always good to get the QB. What does everyone think of him? Saw a few few highlights and looks like he should be comfortable with this system.

A 6'0" Will Rogers with a little more mobility, better arm strength, & more accurate passing ability.

Not a physical specimen, but can sling it with procession. Best case Drew Brees type with most likely outcome being a Shane Buschele type.

Good player. Getting him and Sawyer in back to back classes is about as good as we've ever done. This kid likely ends up an 89-91 rated guy and when considering he's only 6 ft tall, that means he must be really really good because no one is giving him the benefit of the doubt on measurables

[KOdawg1]

A 6'0" Will Rogers with a little more mobility, better arm strength, & more accurate passing ability.

Not a physical specimen, but can sling it with procession. Best case Drew Brees type with most likely outcome being a Shane Buschele type.

Good player. Getting him and Sawyer in back to back classes is about as good as we've ever done. This kid likely ends up an 89-91 rated guy and when considering he's only 6 ft tall, that means he must be really really good because no one is giving him the benefit of the doubt on measurables

I see a little Gardner Minshew in him to be honest

[ZedFedder]

He definitely is a fit for the offense.

[ShotgunDawg]

I see a little Gardner Minshew in him to be honest

That would be fantastic

[trob115]

Who are we looking at from Union HS? Was told we had some coaches there today

[Cooterpoot]

Who are we looking at from Union HS? Was told we had some coaches there today

RB/ATH and OL
Both are camp guys. RB/ATH is committed to USM.

[Hambone]

https://twitter.com/jcalv6/status/1391230341394755585?s=21

Official now

[BayouDawg]

We got a new commit today. Defensive back from Raymond I think.

[KOdawg1]

We got a new commit today. Defensive back from Raymond I think.

Trent Singleton. Good athlete, even better kid. Probably going to end up a safety for us.

Our DB recruiting has been a complete 180 from the last class. We had several reaches for 2021. There are some studs in this year's group if we can get them all signed.

[preachermatt83]

RB/ATH and OL
Both are camp guys. RB/ATH is committed to USM.

The RB is a two sport kid too. He?s a freak on the Diamond. Good kid too from everything I hear. When I was coaching at newton academy their was rumors of him talking about transferring over. He was friends with kemp
Alderman and was wanting to play with him. Never came to fruition though. The board at that school was the biggest joke in history.

[TALL DAWG]

The RB is a two sport kid too. He?s a freak on the Diamond. Good kid too from everything I hear. When I was coaching at newton academy their was rumors of him talking about transferring over. He was friends with kemp
Alderman and was wanting to play with him. Never came to fruition though. The board at that school was the biggest joke in history.

I wonder why we are not even getting a mentioned from the good RB from Germantown High in Gluckstadt, Ms?
We have one of his former teammates coming in this fall and we are on the ?X? man big time from there.

I?ve watched over 90% of Germantown games over the 9-10 yrs of their existence. The defensive lineman coming to MSU this fall and the X-man & the running back being seniors this fall at GHS are 3 dandies.
Also, FWIW, I didn?t lose any sleep over Nigel Knott going to Bama as I had a feeling he wasn?t going to be able to stay healthy. Absolute great kid&teammate and super fast but just wasn?t real strong and was hurt some before he left GHS.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I wonder why we are not even getting a mentioned from the good RB from Germantown High in Gluckstadt, Ms?
We have one of his former teammates coming in this fall and we are on the ?X? man big time from there.

I?ve watched over 90% of Germantown games over the 9-10 yrs of their existence. The defensive lineman coming to MSU this fall and the X-man & the running back being seniors this fall at GHS are 3 dandies.
Also, FWIW, I didn?t lose any sleep over Nigel Knott going to Bama as I had a feeling he wasn?t going to be able to stay healthy. Absolute great kid&teammate and super fast but just wasn?t real strong and was hurt some before he left GHS.

Branson Robinson is an old school downhill RB he's not interested in 8-10 carries & 8-10 swing passes. He's going to UGA to Nick Chubb 2.0

[ShotgunDawg]

Branson Robinson is an old school downhill RB he's not interested in 8-10 carries & 8-10 swing passes. He's going to UGA to Nick Chubb 2.0

And play in a 1980s offense. Which is fine, but the reason RBs like them is because the scheme they run is from the 80s.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

And play in a 1980s offense. Which is fine, but the reason RBs like them is because the scheme they run is from the 80s.

Yep & they're steady using that 80's offense to put RB's in the league.

[ShotgunDawg]

Yep & they're steady using that 80's offense to put RB's in the league.

Totally agree. Can't blame any RB for going there.

That being said, you should be running an offense that maximizes your talent, but UGA doesn't do that

[KOdawg1]

4* DE Donterry Russell (https://247sports.com/player/donterry-russell-46103272/)committed to us tonight.

Younger brother of Demonte Russell, who is already on the team. Not really a surprise, but a good get regardless.

[Hambone]

https://twitter.com/brianhadad/status/1401018417642156035?s=21

[bulldawg28]

Leach and the crew are bringing in nice talent. I'm also glad to see the Mississippi recruits finally becoming rated properly and respectable.

[Hambone]

Mason Miller signaling another commit.

Stone Blanton?

[BayouDawg]

This looks to be a solid class we are building. Obviously it wont stay in the top ten rankings wise but if it ends in the top 20 thats a great class.

[Doggie_Style]

Our recruiting strategy is very conservative. We are content to take as many .86 - .87 3 Star guys as early in the process as possible. We are ranked high because of all the early commits and that is obvious. Ole Miss has taken an almost opposite strategy. Considering the year we had last year I'm OK with our approach. MSU and Leach remain an unknown quantity. Hopefully we look radically different in 2021.

[Todd4State]

Our recruiting strategy is very conservative. We are content to take as many .86 - .87 3 Star guys as early in the process as possible. We are ranked high because of all the early commits and that is obvious. Ole Miss has taken an almost opposite strategy. Considering the year we had last year I'm OK with our approach. MSU and Leach remain an unknown quantity. Hopefully we look radically different in 2021.

Some of that is because a lot of Mississippi recruits are rated late in the process. We have at least two commits off the top of my head that will likely be four stars by the time NSD rolls around.

The best thing that Leach is doing IMO is getting balance in our classes. That's was the worst thing about Dan's recruiting. We would go 2-3 cycles without signing a legit outside WR prospect or have a class with zero o-linemen that qualified. That leads to massive holes that usually get exploited by the Alabama's of the world.

Secondary recruiting was rough last cycle- but look how Leach has responded with this class.

[maroonmania]

https://twitter.com/brianhadad/status/1401018417642156035?s=21

Well last year we had almost a complete staff, save Tony Hughes, moving in here from 3,000 miles away in a year where all they could do with recruits was have Zoom calls. So they were basically recruiting with one hand tied behind their back.

[Bdawg]

Mason Miller signaling another commit.

Stone Blanton?

Have we figured this out yet?

[Hambone]

I think Mason was talking about Russell…. His post came after everyone was talking about how Russell had committed, however Brittany Thackery posted about Russell as well

[Cooterpoot]

KA BOOM!!

[Westdawg]

KA BOOM!!

👀👀👀👀👀👀

[BrunswickDawg]

KA BOOM!!

Big flip

https://twitter.com/lucastaylor2022/status/1402069308738576384?s=21

[Cooterpoot]

Sister is on the softball team.

[KOdawg1]

This staff ain't playing.

[Westdawg]

That's a Brangus Bull right there 😱😳. W O W
HUUUGGGGGGEEEEEE

[Hambone]

#1 Olinemen in Alabama.

WOW

[bulldawg28]

Get em dogs!!!

[vv83]

#1 Olinemen in Alabama.

WOW

Which site is showing that? I thought Riley quick was a high 4 star out of AL

[MetEdDawg]

Which site is showing that? I thought Riley quick was a high 4 star out of AL

I think he's the top interior lineman in AL. There are 2 OT ranked in front of Thomas in Alabama and yes, Quick is one of them.

He's #18 overall in Alabama which means he's a very solid prospect.

[Cooterpoot]

Quick is scheduled for a visit too.

[Dawgology]

Any reason our 4-star recruits all got dropped to 3 star. I swear I was on 247 a few days ago and thought we had 3 4-star kids. Checked today and they are all 3-star. Seemed odd but maybe I misremember. Stars don't matter for this offense (or defense for that matter) so much as fit for the scheme but I just found it odd.

[Hambone]

Yes, they asked those guys who they were thinking about committing to and when they said Mississippi State they dropped em a star.

I’m only half joking

[Bothrops]

That happens to players that commit to us, they all go down in ranking, no matter what they do their senior season.

[Offshore Dawg]

They are still the same quality players.

[Todd4State]

Any reason our 4-star recruits all got dropped to 3 star. I swear I was on 247 a few days ago and thought we had 3 4-star kids. Checked today and they are all 3-star. Seemed odd but maybe I misremember. Stars don't matter for this offense (or defense for that matter) so much as fit for the scheme but I just found it odd.

It's because the ESPN rankings were released and that killed their 24/7 composite rankings.

24/7 needs to do away with the composite rankings since they're the only relevant recruiting web site out there now.

[ZedFedder]

It's because the ESPN rankings were released and that killed their 24/7 composite rankings.

24/7 needs to do away with the composite rankings since they're the only relevant recruiting web site out there now.

Thought about that the other day. It was a really cool and smart tool when they started it. It gave them some credibility as a new company. Now, it doesn’t make sense to use it. I’m okay with Rivals rankings, but the issue with them is they don’t have a Rivals guy for every team so some schools aren’t represented in recruiting rankings like they should be.

[KOdawg1]

Thought about that the other day. It was a really cool and smart tool when they started it. It gave them some credibility as a new company. Now, it doesn’t make sense to use it. I’m okay with Rivals rankings, but the issue with them is they don’t have a Rivals guy for every team so some schools aren’t represented in recruiting rankings like they should be.
The way they have it set up, you see a kids composite ranking first and then if you go to their profile, you can see their 247 ranking. They need to reverse that.

[Doggie_Style]

It's because the ESPN rankings were released and that killed their 24/7 composite rankings.

24/7 needs to do away with the composite rankings since they're the only relevant recruiting web site out there now.

247 had all of our cruits as 3*s....all 3 services now have them ranked about the same. Before it's over I believe 2-3 of out players will get bumped up and we should be adding some players who are higher ranked before summer is over.

[Bothrops]

The composite ranking will have us out of the top 25 almost every year. On a side note, we had multiple players drop in rank out of the blue, for no reason. No one else had that happen.

[Commercecomet24]

One of my former baseball players just got an offer. Decarlos Nicholson. Lightning fast, fastest kid I've ever coached and I've had some fast ones! 6'3" 190 db fast and agile with a lot of length.

[bulldawg28]

One of my former baseball players just got an offer. Decarlos Nicholson. Lightning fast, fastest kid I've ever coached abs I've had some fast ones! 6'3" 190 db fast and agile with a lot of length.

Make it happen.

[Commercecomet24]

Make it happen.

Working on it. He's legit 4.45 but ran a laser timed 4.3 at Baylor last week.

[BrunswickDawg]

Working on it. He's legit 4.45 but ran a laser timed 4.3 at Baylor last week.
Damn that's quick!
Can't teach speed

[Commercecomet24]

Damn that's quick!
Can't teach speed

He stole home one time and he slid past the plate before the pitch got there. Now it was on a lefty and he got a huge jump but the kid has legit speed. Really good kid and hard worker, too!

[bulldawg28]

Working on it. He's legit 4.45 but ran a laser timed 4.3 at Baylor last week.

Nice!!!

[Offshore Dawg]

That happens to players that commit to us, they all go down in ranking, no matter what they do their senior season.

They don't want to give the impression that the Dogs are doing good.

[Irondawg]

No talk about Clayton decommiting? I?m not sure it?s a huge deal but what are thoughts?

[KOdawg1]

No talk about Clayton decommiting? I?m not sure it?s a huge deal but what are thoughts?

We're on some good DL, so I'm really not too concerned. If he wants to come back, he can. If not, best of luck to him.

[Bothrops]

No talk about Clayton decommiting? I?m not sure it?s a huge deal but what are thoughts?

If they had known he was going to decommit, they wouldn't have dropped his composite rank.

[bulldawg28]

No talk about Clayton decommiting? I?m not sure it?s a huge deal but what are thoughts?

He said our coaches wanted to move him to OL.

[Cooterpoot]

Clayton isn't a DL. He's just not. He's an OL, but not as skilled as the OL we're pulling. He was at camp and now he's moving on. Good luck to him!

[Bothrops]

Clayton isn't a DL. He's just not. He's an OL, but not as skilled as the OL we're pulling. He was at camp and now he's moving on. Good luck to him!

Let the shitbirds have him .

[Hambone]

Folks in the know, are things still looking good for Stone Blanton or should there cause for concern?

Not basing this off anything at all, just see he’s enjoying the process and seeing quite a few schools.

[Ari Gold]

Folks in the know, are things still looking good for Stone Blanton or should there cause for concern?

Not basing this off anything at all, just see he’s enjoying the process and seeing quite a few schools.

He will be a Dawg.

[Ari Gold]

Clayton isn't a DL. He's just not. He's an OL, but not as skilled as the OL we're pulling. He was at camp and now he's moving on. Good luck to him!


Agree with this 100%.

[Offshore Dawg]

Ari, thanks for imparting a little wisdom to these recruiting threads

[Hot Rock]

Clayton committed to Morehead, not this staff and that may play a part of it.

Now that he has moved on, State has that extra spot for some guys they think highly. Tt's June, long time to signing day.

I don't see this as anything other than it was most likely best for him and I doubt anyone has any hard feelings from him or State. Sometimes a player has to find his best fit.

[ZedFedder]

Cam East committing at 5. Is it us?

[Hambone]

Yes, coaches have already been told

[No BS Dawg]

He would be another very nice pull in this class. Very pleased with this staff and their recruiting with a year under their belt and a more ?normal? year in which to operate.

[Todd4State]

He would be another very nice pull in this class. Very pleased with this staff and their recruiting with a year under their belt and a more ?normal? year in which to operate.

Our OL recruiting has been very good this year so far. If we pull Quick and Hurst that's a really solid class.

[Westdawg]

Harris, the big 4 ⭐️ DT from Germantown HS, just committed to Ole Miss.....
I thought we were in the driver seat for that. He must have seen his new NIL offer 👀😳

[Bothrops]

Harris, the big 4 ⭐️ DT from Germantown HS, just committed to Ole Miss.....
I thought we were in the driver seat for that. He must have seen his new NIL offer ����

Welp that leaves RJ Moss and.....??

[KOdawg1]

No disrespect to the kid, but we just won the college World Series. I couldn't care less if OM won a recruiting battle over us.

And there's still a long ways to go. We have his teammate and we have the better track record with D-linemen. I'm not getting worked up over it.

[Todd4State]

No disrespect to the kid, but we just won the college World Series. I couldn't care less if OM won a recruiting battle over us.

And there's still a long ways to go. We have his teammate and we have the better track record with D-linemen. I'm not getting worked up over it.

Yep. Looks like a desperation move more than anything.

[Ari Gold]

Harris, the big 4 ⭐️ DT from Germantown HS, just committed to Ole Miss.....
I thought we were in the driver seat for that. He must have seen his new NIL offer ����

This is a “let’s try and take some shine from their Natty” move... he won’t end up there..

[SilentSteel16]

This is a ?let?s try and take some shine from their Natty? move... he won?t end up there..

Ari you are more than likely dead on there. Totally an Ole Miss move but for them to think this 4 star DL can take away the mood of State fans after actually winning a Natty then they really are stupid. They can have all the 4 stars and 5 stars in the world but it will never tarnish what we have accomplished in baseball. Plus those 5 stars will all probably fall out of hotel windows or something and wash out within the next 6 years. Good luck to the kid, but you would think what they did to that kid last year,I think he was an OL from Jackson,with keeping him from State would warn all the other recruits.

[Hambone]

He was from Byhalia

[SilentSteel16]

He was from Byhalia

What was his name and did he land somewhere. Juco?

[SilentSteel16]

Nvm I found it Pounders and the article I read said Memphis. He would be the perfect example of Ole Moss just trying to keep a kid from State. Should be repeated over and over to some of these last minute flip candidates.

[Lord McBuckethead]

My nephew participated in our camp a couple weeks ago. He has also participated in camps at Memphis, Auburn, Vandy, and will be aTm here shortly. He said out of all of them, ours was a shit show.

To be honest with you, I really do not want to have to deal with my sister for 4 years, so him not being sold on state is actually a blessing, but wth is up with our camps?

[Dawgfan77]

My nephew participated in our camp a couple weeks ago. He has also participated in camps at Memphis, Auburn, Vandy, and will be aTm here shortly. He said out of all of them, ours was a shit show.

To be honest with you, I really do not want to have to deal with my sister for 4 years, so him not being sold on state is actually a blessing, but wth is up with our camps?

Care to elaborate? Also how old is he?

[Bothrops]

My nephew participated in our camp a couple weeks ago. He has also participated in camps at Memphis, Auburn, Vandy, and will be aTm here shortly. He said out of all of them, ours was a shit show.

To be honest with you, I really do not want to have to deal with my sister for 4 years, so him not being sold on state is actually a blessing, but wth is up with our camps?

That's pretty much the exact opposite from the stuff I've read from our prospects/commits concerning our camps.

[Dawgfan77]

That's pretty much the exact opposite from the stuff I've read from our prospects/commits concerning our camps.

Same here. May depend on classification of said prospect

[Ari Gold]

My nephew participated in our camp a couple weeks ago. He has also participated in camps at Memphis, Auburn, Vandy, and will be aTm here shortly. He said out of all of them, ours was a shit show.

To be honest with you, I really do not want to have to deal with my sister for 4 years, so him not being sold on state is actually a blessing, but wth is up with our camps?

Not to be an asshole, but maybe your nephew is the shit show.. just saying

[TALL DAWG]

Not to be an asshole, but maybe your nephew is the shit show.. just saying

Lol! Ari with a big ka-boom after 7-4-21!

[Commercecomet24]

My former player committed today! Decarlos Nicholson. Makes me proud!

[KOdawg1]

My former player committed today! Decarlos Nicholson. Makes me proud!

Big get considering we'll be losing Emerson next year. You can't teach that size and speed.

[Commercecomet24]

Big get considering we'll be losing Emerson next year. You can't teach that size and speed.

Yeah he played on my travel/showcase team for 4 years. Fastest player I've ever coached and I've had some fast ones. Darius Slay speed and agility in a 6'3" 200 pound body and he's gotta little mean streak in him.

[Westdawg]

Yeah he played on my travel/showcase team for 4 years. Fastest player I've ever coached and I've had some fast ones. Darius Slay speed and agility in a 6'3" 200 pound body and he's gotta little mean streak in him.

6?3 200 ????
Put 20 lbs on him in his first year of college weight program....he?ll be a starting LB !!!

[Bothrops]

Has he played DB in juco? Great height and speed combo.

[bulldawg28]

Yeah he played on my travel/showcase team for 4 years. Fastest player I've ever coached and I've had some fast ones. Darius Slay speed and agility in a 6'3" 200 pound body and he's gotta little mean streak in him.

Way to make it happen.

[bulldawg28]

6?3 200 ????
Put 20 lbs on him in his first year of college weight program....he?ll be a starting LB !!!

No sir.

[Commercecomet24]

Way to make it happen.

Lol thanks, Love encouraging my guys to make the right decision!

[Commercecomet24]

Has he played DB in juco? Great height and speed combo.

Mostly qb but he's got the tools and he works his butt off. And he's got this fall to get more experience at db. He's been doing camp circuit and been getting offers from all over.

[Todd4State]

It seems like a lot of the guys that we get that were high school QB's end up being really underrated and then we switch them to another position and they blow up like Benardrick McKinney and Jaden Walley.

[Commercecomet24]

It seems like a lot of the guys that we get that were high school QB's end up being really underrated and then we switch them to another position and they blow up like Benardrick McKinney and Jaden Walley.

I had Decarlos and Jaden on the same baseball team, for a couple years. In fact of the 14 players I had on my last couple teams all but one is playing college baseball or football. I coached some talent in my 20+ years.

[Todd4State]

I had Decarlos and Jaden on the same baseball team, for a couple years. In fact of the 14 players I had on my last couple teams all but one is playing college baseball or football. I coached some talent in my 20+ years.

WOW! I know there is a ton of talent on the Coast and in the Pine Belt. Been that way in baseball for years.

[bulldawg28]

I had Decarlos and Jaden on the same baseball team, for a couple years. In fact of the 14 players I had on my last couple teams all but one is playing college baseball or football. I coached some talent in my 20+ years.

You did a great job developing and molding if that's the case. Kudos to you sir!

[Commercecomet24]

You did a great job developing and molding if that's the case. Kudos to you sir!

Thanks but the kids did all the work. I just taught them the game i loved, how to play it the right way, and how to compete. I was blessed to have a ton of great athletes and great families to work with over the years. I was truly fortunate and blessed!

[BuckyIsAB****]

Boys this kid can ball. Trust me.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Not to be an asshole, but maybe your nephew is the shit show.. just saying

I am sure he is, but dude is 6-4 QB from a Memphis private school and he can sling it. Only a sophemore though. I am sure he wasn't the top priority in the group at this time.

Also note, he is 1 of 5 boys and 4 of them are going to be studs.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I am sure he is, but dude is 6-4 QB from a Memphis private school and he can sling it. Only a sophemore though. I am sure he wasn't the top priority in the group at this time.

Also note, he is 1 of 5 boys and 4 of them are going to be studs.

He's going to be a Soph or he was a Soph this past year?

[Doggie_Style]

Thanks but the kids did all the work. I just taught them the game i loved, how to play it the right way, and how to compete. I was blessed to have a ton of great athletes and great families to work with over the years. I was truly fortunate and blessed!

Commerce it is obvious that you are a fine man and coach and these kids are fortunate to have worked with you?I love that State is sighing DeCarlos ?.he is a project but he has incredible skills and 3 years to play when he gets to State?.HailState

[SilentSteel16]

Kind of sounds like he was not a fan of competition, maybe he needs a little more fanfare for his ego. He might be a stud, but if his other camps are Memphis,MTSU or something along those lines, he may have been treated slightly differently there versus a camp with Mike Leach bringing kids in from TX and CA. Just my two cents, from personal experiences I have seen the ones that are knocking camps did not garner the attention they wanted hence why they bash said camp. I wish him well, but if he is a sophomore, he clearly has some growing up to do if he thinks bashing school camps is the way to go…..

[BuckyIsAB****]

Kind of sounds like he was not a fan of competition, maybe he needs a little more fanfare for his ego. He might be a stud, but if his other camps are Memphis,MTSU or something along those lines, he may have been treated slightly differently there versus a camp with Mike Leach bringing kids in from TX and CA. Just my two cents, from personal experiences I have seen the ones that are knocking camps did not garner the attention they wanted hence why they bash said camp. I wish him well, but if he is a sophomore, he clearly has some growing up to do if he thinks bashing school camps is the way to go…..

Who?

[SilentSteel16]

Bucketheads nephew. Ha

[West Houston Dog]

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[BuckyIsAB****]

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[Goldendawg]

Anyone got any recruiting news that they can share, who were are strong on, how the class could end up, etc.? Only info I get is from here or the free list from Genes Page. Looks like we have 10 open slots if the 15 stick, but Gene only shows us "warm" on 15 players from his "targets" & "interested" lists combined with hopes to flip the big Oregon tackle commit & the UM receiver (kind of a limited look - JMO). How will the DB that just committed be ranked? I know it's a long way until Dec. & NIL may have muddied the water more but update would be interesting/appreciated. Ari? IYOK? Thanks and Hail State!

[Bothrops]

Anyone got any recruiting news that they can share, who were are strong on, how the class could end up, etc.? Only info I get is from here or the free list from Genes Page. Looks like we have 10 open slots if the 15 stick, but Gene only shows us "warm" on 15 players from his "targets" & "interested" lists combined with hopes to flip the big Oregon tackle commit & the UM receiver (kind of a limited look - JMO). How will the DB that just committed be ranked? I know it's a long way until Dec. & NIL may have muddied the water more but update would be interesting/appreciated. Ari? IYOK? Thanks and Hail State!

We are fighting hard to reel Trevion Williams back this way. I don't know much else.

[Ari Gold]

Anyone got any recruiting news that they can share, who were are strong on, how the class could end up, etc.? Only info I get is from here or the free list from Genes Page. Looks like we have 10 open slots if the 15 stick, but Gene only shows us "warm" on 15 players from his "targets" & "interested" lists combined with hopes to flip the big Oregon tackle commit & the UM receiver (kind of a limited look - JMO). How will the DB that just committed be ranked? I know it's a long way until Dec. & NIL may have muddied the water more but update would be interesting/appreciated. Ari? IYOK? Thanks and Hail State!

The DB ( Nicholson ) is a steal for us IF we can hold on to him... he will be one of the highest ranked juco players in the state before it’s over
And there is still plenty of time till December when it comes to both Williams and Harris .. everyone just be a little patient

[KOdawg1]

We slumping

[Dawgology]

The DB ( Nicholson ) is a steal for us IF we can hold on to him... he will be one of the highest ranked juco players in the state before it’s over
And there is still plenty of time till December when it comes to both Williams and Harris .. everyone just be a little patient

I think if we can just maintain that 20-30 class ranking we usually have with Leach?s offense fully installed and our typical tough defense we will be fine with an outside shot at finishing in the top 15 ranking once in a while. With the current college system that?s really the best we can hope for.

[FISHDAWG]

The DB ( Nicholson ) is a steal for us IF we can hold on to him... he will be one of the highest ranked juco players in the state before it?s over
And there is still plenty of time till December when it comes to both Williams and Harris .. everyone just be a little patient

maybe we should offer him $10K for an autograph in late December ... Said autograph should be on an official LOI.

[Bothrops]

I think if we can just maintain that 20-30 class ranking we usually have with Leach?s offense fully installed and our typical tough defense we will be fine with an outside shot at finishing in the top 15 ranking once in a while. With the current college system that?s really the best we can hope for.

We will never have a top 15 ranked class going forward.

[KOdawg1]

We will never have a top 15 ranked class going forward.

Not unless we make some major changes in the future. Outside of Vandy, we have the least committed recruiting system in the SEC. You have to play dirty to recruit that high. And we're not willing to do that (at least at the level others are). We pay players, make no mistake about it, but our network isn't on the same level as others, including the bunch up the road. Which is why they'll continue to out recruit us until something changes.

[MetEdDawg]

Not unless we make some major changes in the future. Outside of Vandy, we have the least committed recruiting system in the SEC. You have to play dirty to recruit that high. And we're not willing to do that (at least at the level others are). We pay players, make no mistake about it, but our network isn't on the same level as others, including the bunch up the road. Which is why they'll continue to out recruit us until something changes.

We have to add about $10-$20 million per year in revenue/intake to even think about getting more competitive recruiting wise. Bunch of folks don't want to hear it though. They think we should be able to do the most with the least and still win 7-10 games every single year no questions asked.

We need a hell of a lot more intake to get the output we desire, specifically in recruiting.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

We will never have a top 15 ranked class going forward.

When have we had 1 going back?

[Dawgology]

We will never have a top 15 ranked class going forward.

I was referring to on the field results not recruiting

[Bothrops]

When have we had 1 going back?

Don't recall one.

[Dawgfan77]

Not unless we make some major changes in the future. Outside of Vandy, we have the least committed recruiting system in the SEC. You have to play dirty to recruit that high. And we're not willing to do that (at least at the level others are). We pay players, make no mistake about it, but our network isn't on the same level as others, including the bunch up the road. Which is why they'll continue to out recruit us until something changes.
I understand your point here, but we have a better network than most realize. Don't think we are just Ho hum ol state. We ain't some of the big boys but we aren't as bad as you are making it out to be

[KOdawg1]

I understand your point here, but we have a better network than most realize. Don't think we are just Ho hum ol state. We ain't some of the big boys but we aren't as bad as you are making it out to be
I mean we're better than Tulsa or Georgia Tech, but compared to the teams we actually compete against (on the field and for recruits) we're pretty far behind.

[maroonmania]

Not unless we make some major changes in the future. Outside of Vandy, we have the least committed recruiting system in the SEC. You have to play dirty to recruit that high. And we're not willing to do that (at least at the level others are). We pay players, make no mistake about it, but our network isn't on the same level as others, including the bunch up the road. Which is why they'll continue to out recruit us until something changes.

Yep, that is my opinion. I think NIL (which is essentially making it legal for boosters to buy recruits and pay existing players to keep them happy) is not going to be good for us at all. We just don't network at the level of most of the rest of the SEC. OM, who has specialized in buying recruits for years, should flourish in this environment. They have plenty of boosters who are much more interested in bragging about buying a recruit than they are about actually winning a game on the field. I had already started to lose my enthusiasm for college football over the lack of competitiveness due to the glut of scholarships that allow the elite to gobble up all the top end talent. The NIL is just going to make it even worse as it will primarily benefit the largest and most 'zealous' fanbases. Relatively speaking, the only sport where we would fall into the 'large and zealous' category would be baseball. I realize that a lot of recruits have been being bought for years but its about to go to another level without any worry about getting your program slapped by the NCAA.

[Ari Gold]

Ratings 18-30 are all about the same when it comes to the overall talent top to bottom in the classes.
Recruit for needs.
Land 2 or 3 high school kids that are ready and can contribute day one
Out of the 3 and 4 star high school kids hope you have more hits than misses.
Have a staff that can develop talent
Mix in a few impact juco guys
And get a couple of impact transfers

[FriarsPoint]

Ratings 18-30 are all about the same when it comes to the overall talent top to bottom in the classes.
Recruit for needs.
Land 2 or 3 high school kids that are ready and can contribute day one
Out of the 3 and 4 star high school kids hope you have more hits than misses.
Have a staff that can develop talent
Mix in a few impact juco guys
And get a couple of impact transfers

Meanwhile, Alabama is landing sure fire players that a coach with minimal ability can develop and lots of them. Same with Ohio State, Georgia, Oklahoma, Clemson, USC, LSU, etc.

It gets old. The wuhan flu is going to end up being the worst thing to happen to college football. It cost college football 40%(if not more) of its audience. Me included. Not until the nfl starts its own farm league system will I watch again and we all know that will never happen. The product is broken and is beyond repair.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Meanwhile, Alabama is landing sure fire players that a coach with minimal ability can develop and lots of them. Same with Ohio State, Georgia, Oklahoma, Clemson, USC, LSU, etc.

It gets old. The wuhan flu is going to end up being the worst thing to happen to college football. It cost college football 40%(if not more) of its audience. Me included. Not until the nfl starts its own farm league system will I watch again and we all know that will never happen. The product is broken and is beyond repair.

If you think 40% or more of college football fans are done with college football after not being able to go in person I have some prime beach property in Artesia.

[Todd4State]

Yep, that is my opinion. I think NIL (which is essentially making it legal for boosters to buy recruits and pay existing players to keep them happy) is not going to be good for us at all. We just don't network at the level of most of the rest of the SEC. OM, who has specialized in buying recruits for years, should flourish in this environment. They have plenty of boosters who are much more interested in bragging about buying a recruit than they are about actually winning a game on the field. I had already started to lose my enthusiasm for college football over the lack of competitiveness due to the glut of scholarships that allow the elite to gobble up all the top end talent. The NIL is just going to make it even worse as it will primarily benefit the largest and most 'zealous' fanbases. Relatively speaking, the only sport where we would fall into the 'large and zealous' category would be baseball. I realize that a lot of recruits have been being bought for years but its about to go to another level without any worry about getting your program slapped by the NCAA.

I think we'll start though because a big reason why we haven't done that is MSU cuts off any "Network" and runs and turns it into the NCAA and we get sanctions. That and we have a lot of take the high road boosters who weren't willing to get involved because it was illegal. Well, it's not now.

We also haven't had a lot of football coaches that were willing or knew how to recruit at a high level like Dan and that has hurt us as well.

To me it goes both ways- yes they (other teams) will be able to pay players but now so are we. Part of the problem with the old system was it was so subjective and not consistent with even their own rules and teams could just sue their way out of it. It was basically like operating under two different systems. That won't be the case now.

[Commercecomet24]

If you think 40% or more of college football fans are done with college football after not being able to go in person I have some prime beach property in Artesia.

This^^^

[OLJWales]

If you think 40% or more of college football fans are done with college football after not being able to go in person I have some prime beach property in Artesia.

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[Leeshouldveflanked]

Not unless we make some major changes in the future. Outside of Vandy, we have the least committed recruiting system in the SEC. You have to play dirty to recruit that high. And we're not willing to do that (at least at the level others are). We pay players, make no mistake about it, but our network isn't on the same level as others, including the bunch up the road. Which is why they'll continue to out recruit us until something changes.

Before the Covid hit, we were 50 out of 52 Power 5 schools Football recruiting budget $$?we have done a lot with a little.

[Bothrops]

We also haven't had a lot of football coaches that were willing or knew how to recruit at a high level like Dan and that has hurt us as well.

You mean JWS?

[Ari Gold]

Meanwhile, Alabama is landing sure fire players that a coach with minimal ability can develop and lots of them. Same with Ohio State, Georgia, Oklahoma, Clemson, USC, LSU, etc.

It gets old. The wuhan flu is going to end up being the worst thing to happen to college football. It cost college football 40%(if not more) of its audience. Me included. Not until the nfl starts its own farm league system will I watch again and we all know that will never happen. The product is broken and is beyond repair.

So I guess you havent been watching football for the last 10 or so years.. it’s not like all these teams haven’t been getting the best players and making the playoffs year after after
college football is what it is ..

And yes the final four for this year and next year will be a combo of
Bama , Clemson, Ohio state, Oklahoma, Georgia , and a Pac 12 pretender or ND
once the 12 team playoffs gets introduced the post season will get more interesting , until then enjoy Bama, Clemson , Ohio state and ( fill in team here )

[Ari Gold]

Before the Covid hit, we were 50 out of 52 Power 5 schools Football recruiting budget $$?we have done a lot with a little.

And we will have to keep doing this because the budget isn’t going to change.. we proved that just recently

[Maverick91]

And we will have to keep doing this because the budget isn’t going to change.. we proved that just recently

Ari, why is that the case? Like why do we not care?

thank you for your insight.

[Homedawg]

I think we'll start though because a big reason why we haven't done that is MSU cuts off any "Network" and runs and turns it into the NCAA and we get sanctions. That and we have a lot of take the high road boosters who weren't willing to get involved because it was illegal. Well, it's not now.

We also haven't had a lot of football coaches that were willing or knew how to recruit at a high level like Dan and that has hurt us as well.

To me it goes both ways- yes they (other teams) will be able to pay players but now so are we. Part of the problem with the old system was it was so subjective and not consistent with even their own rules and teams could just sue their way out of it. It was basically like operating under two different systems. That won't be the case now.

Lets be honest, you don't get the players w get wo a "network". I know you aren't that naive. I understand it isn't as grand as bama's most of the league, but we certainly aren't without.

[bulldawg28]

Lets be honest, you don't get the players w get wo a "network". I know you aren't that naive. I understand it isn't as grand as bama's most of the league, but we certainly aren't without.

Preach!

[Todd4State]

Lets be honest, you don't get the players w get wo a "network". I know you aren't that naive. I understand it isn't as grand as bama's most of the league, but we certainly aren't without.

No we're not without. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that we aren't operating at full capacity or full potential. And that's because we tend to want to follow the rules. I think we have some boosters that would have been gladly pay players if it was legal.

[Dawgfan77]

I mean we're better than Tulsa or Georgia Tech, but compared to the teams we actually compete against (on the field and for recruits) we're pretty far behind.

We are not a bama machine but we have a better network than you think. We played very safe over the last few years now that's off the table

[KOdawg1]

We are not a bama machine but we have a better network than you think. We played very safe over the last few years now that's off the table
Like I said, compared to the teams we play, we're behind. That's all that matters

[Goldendawg]

The DB ( Nicholson ) is a steal for us IF we can hold on to him... he will be one of the highest ranked juco players in the state before it?s over
And there is still plenty of time till December when it comes to both Williams and Harris .. everyone just be a little patient

Ari, you said to be patient, but we have dropped from 13 to 26 in rankings, don't have a 4* in the boat, have 10 spots, and 24/7 only shows us with 7 warm top targets and hoping to flip 2 commits from Oregon and UM. Sure hope there are many more positive things than this happening behind the scenes. Sorry, but very concerned in almost August. Update? Hail State!

[Todd4State]

Ari, you said to be patient, but we have dropped from 13 to 26 in rankings, don't have a 4* in the boat, have 10 spots, and 24/7 only shows us with 7 warm top targets and hoping to flip 2 commits from Oregon and UM. Sure hope there are many more positive things than this happening behind the scenes. Sorry, but very concerned in almost August. Update? Hail State!

Yeah. It seems like we're sitting on our ass while everyone else is recruiting.

[Bothrops]

Ari, you said to be patient, but we have dropped from 13 to 26 in rankings, don't have a 4* in the boat, have 10 spots, and 24/7 only shows us with 7 warm top targets and hoping to flip 2 commits from Oregon and UM. Sure hope there are many more positive things than this happening behind the scenes. Sorry, but very concerned in almost August. Update? Hail State!

To be truthful, some of our commits would still be 4* if only our name was Arkansas or Ole Miss, so our class isn't exactly what it seems. But I am concerned about our d-line recruiting.

[Doggie_Style]

Ari, you said to be patient, but we have dropped from 13 to 26 in rankings, don't have a 4* in the boat, have 10 spots, and 24/7 only shows us with 7 warm top targets and hoping to flip 2 commits from Oregon and UM. Sure hope there are many more positive things than this happening behind the scenes. Sorry, but very concerned in almost August. Update? Hail State!

Looks like we will end up in the #32 - #36 range........reflective of a piss poor year last year and the advent of the new NIL reality

[Homedawg]

Looks like we will end up in the #32 - #36 range........reflective of a piss poor year last year and the advent of the new NIL reality

Wait, but rosebowl said we would be top 20!! We will end up around where we always do. Is what it is....

[maroonmania]

Wait, but rosebowl said we would be top 20!! We will end up around where we always do. Is what it is....

If we continue to finish around where we have been finishing with the free for all that NIL has brought on, I would consider that a win. Without NIL we likely could have had a top 20 class this year or close to it.

[KOdawg1]

Let's take a look at the in-state DL board...

The only commit we have right now is Donterry Russell (https://247sports.com/player/donterry-russell-46103272/)who will hopefully grow into a DE like his brother. Could be an edge LB, but I think he puts on the weight.

The only other guy we probably lead for right now is RJ Moss (https://247sports.com/Player/RJ-Moss-46103675/). I like his game a lot. Was a 4 star until Rivals and ESPN gave him their default rankings.

The rest of the guys, we'll have to do some flipping to get.

Jaheim Oatis (https://247sports.com/Player/Jaheim-Oatis-46047745/) - Alabama
Zxavian Harris (https://247sports.com/Player/Zxavian-Harris-46085727/) - Ole Miss
Trevion Williams (https://247sports.com/Player/Trevion-Williams-46109228/) - Florida St.
Jacarius Clayton (https://247sports.com/Player/Jacarius-Clayton-46085239/) - Ole Miss
Aaron Bryant (https://247sports.com/Player/Aaron-Bryant-46113285/)- not committed, but headed out of state or to OM

Clayton wants to play DL, and we told him we wanted him at OL, so he's off the board. You can cross Bryant off too, because he isn't coming here. So that leaves Oatis, Harris, and Williams.

Oatis has a family member who wants him at MSU, plus Tony Hughes is heading his recruitment, so we have a shot, but I think unless Bama drops him or tells him they want him at OL, we don't have that great of a chance. We led for Harris for a long time, but then he committed to OM kinda out of nowhere. We have John Lewis on our side and Germantown has some MSU influence, but I don't get the warm and fuzzies. Then Williams committed on his visit to FSU, which kind of caught people by surprise as well. He's the most talented out of all these guys imo. I hope his recruitment follows the same path as Charles Cross. Just need to get him on campus and keep working. I think we can get him.

So if we get Russell, Moss, and one out of Oatis, Harris, and Williams, I'll be content. Ideally, we would've added 4 of those, but we absolutely have to get 3. There are a few options out of state, but with our pedigree of putting DL in the NFL, you can't come away with only 2 out of the top 7 DL in the state. Especially all the DTs.

[Maverick91]

Let's take a look at the in-state DL board...

The only commit we have right now is Donterry Russell (https://247sports.com/player/donterry-russell-46103272/)who will hopefully grow into a DE like his brother. Could be an edge LB, but I think he puts on the weight.

The only other guy we probably lead for right now is RJ Moss (https://247sports.com/Player/RJ-Moss-46103675/). I like his game a lot. Was a 4 star until Rivals and ESPN gave him their default rankings.

The rest of the guys, we'll have to do some flipping to get.

Jaheim Oatis (https://247sports.com/Player/Jaheim-Oatis-46047745/) - Alabama
Zxavian Harris (https://247sports.com/Player/Zxavian-Harris-46085727/) - Ole Miss
Trevion Williams (https://247sports.com/Player/Trevion-Williams-46109228/) - Florida St.
Jacarius Clayton (https://247sports.com/Player/Jacarius-Clayton-46085239/) - Ole Miss
Aaron Bryant (https://247sports.com/Player/Aaron-Bryant-46113285/)- not committed, but headed out of state or to OM

Clayton wants to play DL, and we told him we wanted him at OL, so he's off the board. You can cross Bryant off too, because he isn't coming here. So that leaves Oatis, Harris, and Williams.

Oatis has a family member who wants him at MSU, plus Tony Hughes is heading his recruitment, so we have a shot, but I think unless Bama drops him or tells him they want him at OL, we don't have that great of a chance. We led for Harris for a long time, but then he committed to OM kinda out of nowhere. We have John Lewis on our side and Germantown has some MSU influence, but I don't get the warm and fuzzies. Then Williams committed on his visit to FSU, which kind of caught people by surprise as well. He's the most talented out of all these guys imo. I hope his recruitment follows the same path as Charles Cross. Just need to get him on campus and keep working. I think we can get him.

So if we get Russell, Moss, and one out of Oatis, Harris, and Williams, I'll be content. Ideally, we would've added 4 of those, but we absolutely have to get 3. There are a few options out of state, but with our pedigree of putting DL in the NFL, you can't come away with only 2 out of the top 7 DL in the state. Especially all the DTs.

Good info! So, do you have a prediction?

[KOdawg1]

Good info! So, do you have a prediction?

I'm not an insider by any means, so this is just guessing, but I predict we get Russell, Moss, and one of Harris or Williams. I lean towards Williams because I just don't see him going to FSU, but maybe I'm wrong. We'd of course take all four of them if they wanted to come.

[Westdawg]

Thinking about LBs:

Stone Blanton just flat out can play as a true spread defender at LB. I coached out west for a while, and his film is eerily reminiscent of a great one to come out of UNM - a safety in HS who was about his size by the name of Brian Urlacher. Don?t laugh....that guy had the range, power, and speed, but was simply overlooked because he was playing out of position in HS. Stone is legit. I do wish he was about an 1-2 inch taller

[Maverick91]

I'm not an insider by any means, so this is just guessing, but I predict we get Russell, Moss, and one of Harris or Williams. I lean towards Williams because I just don't see him going to FSU, but maybe I'm wrong. We'd of course take all four of them if they wanted to come.

I am going to hang my hat on your peg for now. lol

I'd rather be an optimist than a pessimist.

[Maverick91]

Thinking about LBs:

Stone Blanton just flat out can play as a true spread defender at LB. I coached out west for a while, and his film is eerily reminiscent of a great one to come out of UNM - a safety in HS who was about his size by the name of Brian Urlacher. Don?t laugh....that guy had the range, power, and speed, but was simply overlooked because he was playing out of position in HS. Stone is legit. I do wish he was about an 1-2 inch taller

Is he going to sign with us? if so, do we think we have a round about date?

[Ari Gold]

I'm not an insider by any means, so this is just guessing, but I predict we get Russell, Moss, and one of Harris or Williams. I lean towards Williams because I just don't see him going to FSU, but maybe I'm wrong. We'd of course take all four of them if they wanted to come.

Agree..step further I think we land all 4

[Hambone]

Hey Ari, any thoughts about Otis visiting State and Ole Miss? Just enjoying the process or could State have a shot?

[Bothrops]

Our DL recruiting is weird as hell.

[ShotgunDawg]

Our recruiting appears to have reached a completely new level of apathy

[vv83]

Our recruiting appears to have reached a completely new level of apathy
Yeah this is trash. Incoming ?be patient? posts?

Are we going to land any 4 stars this year? And real 4 stars, not the they?d be 4 stars if not committed to us guys.

[KOdawg1]

Our recruiting appears to have reached a completely new level of apathy

Not looking great. Need some good news soon

[Dawgology]

Not looking great. Need some good news soon

We won the NC in baseball so a lot of focus has been on baseball. Also, the football program has kind of been a crap show since Mullen left, plus the constant pre-season lowballing of the program by the media, plus our inability to ever close on a recruit...I think a lot of people are just over it. Combine that with the NIL stuff I think most people (including me) think it doesn't really even seem like amateur players represeting their college/university anymore.

[Goldendawg]

Not looking great. Need some good news soon

Ari said to be patient, but we have fallen to 29 just two slots ahead of Vandy, ( even though they have a lower avg. per player but more commits) of all teams. Six programs ahead of us have more commits but a lower average. Paul's article that we have 12 prospects on our board with 10 open slots along with hopes of flipping about 4 guys from UM, FSU, and Oregon is not very comforting either. Some of our players targets mentioned lately are not even ranked. Add NIL to this and we may have a mess brewing although I hope there are things that we don't know about to bring better results. Hail State, but very concerned at this point!

[Dawgfan77]

You all do realize we have been in a dead period right??? And this weekend is a special invite only camp.. this staff isn't lazy but it's JULY, and previously we had recruited well in the summer then couldn't hold on to recruits in DEC. Let's take a breath here.

[Maverick91]

We won the NC in baseball so a lot of focus has been on baseball. Also, the football program has kind of been a crap show since Mullen left, plus the constant pre-season lowballing of the program by the media, plus our inability to ever close on a recruit...I think a lot of people are just over it. Combine that with the NIL stuff I think most people (including me) think it doesn't really even seem like amateur players represeting their college/university anymore.

I am kinda in the same bout. But, it begs the question. Do we know that our staff is pushing? Mullen got the rap as a lazy recruiter, is our staff acting in the same manner?

[StarkVegasSteve]

As others have said, IT'S JULY. Whether good or bad a lot of these kids like to play the game and get caught up in who can show them the most love on social media or they get caught up and commit on emotion while they're on a visit(see Trevion Williams). If our offense comes out and shows improvement over last year and Arnett does what he does then we'll be just fine on the recruiting front.

You also have to remember, and I've said it since the day he was hired, Leach HATES recruiting. It's just a fact. He wants to recruit one position and one position only, QB. He's going to let the on field results and his assts. do all the recruiting. He's not going to be Dabo, Kiffin, or Sark. He's weird and he's not everyone's cup of tea. I think we had some who thought that because his YouTube clips are all over the place and he runs the Air Raid that kids were just going to gravitate to him. But hell, every coach runs the spread today and most of these kids don't give a rats ass about marriage advice, mascots, student loans, or whatever the hell he happens to be talking about that day. The bottom line is that if we win and put some impressive numbers up this fall then we'll have a class that sits around 20-25. If we don't our class will be around 35-40.

[KOdawg1]

I'm glad we've established what month it is. In two days, it'll be August.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I am kinda in the same bout. But, it begs the question. Do we know that our staff is pushing? Mullen got the rap as a lazy recruiter, is our staff acting in the same manner?

The difference is that Dan was here 24/7. He might be lazy, but he would meet everyone. Leach isn't always going to do that because he's going to be in Key West from January-March and again April-June and will fly back for NSD or any big camp we might have.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm glad we've established what month it is. In two days, it'll be August.

And a month after that will be September, when recruits will actually see the offense against an opponent, i.e. the only thing Leach cares about.

[KOdawg1]

And a month after that will be September, when recruits will actually see the offense against an opponent, i.e. the only thing Leach cares about.

Lol I'm just being a smart ass.

Point is, yes it's still very early. But what's concerning is that we haven't historically done that great the closer we get to signing day. We usually do the bulk of the work in the summer months, and hope, pray, scratch, and claw to keep them in the boat in December. We're going to have to do a good bit of that this year. Can we do it? Sure. We closed pretty good last February. But we historically haven't done it. That's Ole Miss's MO. We need to get a guy like Stone Blanton in the boat soon to generate some momentum heading into the season.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Lol I'm just being a smart ass.

Point is, yes it's still very early. But what's concerning is that we haven't historically done that great the closer we get to signing day. We usually do the bulk of the work in the summer months, and hope, pray, scratch, and claw to keep them in the boat in December. We're going to have to do a good bit of that this year. Can we do it? Sure. We closed pretty good last February. But we historically haven't done it. That's Ole Miss's MO. We need to get a guy like Stone Blanton in the boat soon to generate some momentum heading into the season.

Agree on that. Stone needs to go ahead and get in the boat now. I understand wanting to be recruited, but at a certain point you know where you're going to go and you need to commit and start helping out with the rest of the class. Stone has been at that point for about 4 months.

[Hot Rock]

Agree on that. Stone needs to go ahead and get in the boat now. I understand wanting to be recruited, but at a certain point you know where you're going to go and you need to commit and start helping out with the rest of the class. Stone has been at that point for about 4 months.

But these players have not been able to go anywhere. Covid lock down, let him do his thing. When he announces, it will be done.

[Bothrops]

We need to do a lot better on the field starting this year, because you don't get 3 seasons to prove shit anymore. No one is patient. Another thing, when it comes to recruiting, all this indecision from kids puts us in a bind when it gets to the crucial period. Why, you ask, because most of our remaining targets are committed elsewhere, and we aren't known for flipping within the league.

[BrunswickDawg]

RJ Moss (DL) just committed

[bobcat91]

Paul said we got one more who will go public early next week. Hurst had a good visit and Oatis is staying overnight and talking with the staff. Too much bs about lazy recruiting and guys who can't recruit

[KOdawg1]

Good get. We needed momentum and we got it. Especially on the DL. Need to keep it going.

[Bothrops]

Good good good

[preachermatt83]

Some of you guys will never accept the fact, or like it even if you do accept it, that leach recruits a very specific kind of player. He will not land a lot of primmadonnas bc he will not go after them herd.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

He will not land a lot of primmadonnas bc he will not go after them herd.

This just isn't true

[MetEdDawg]

Paul said we got one more who will go public early next week. Hurst had a good visit and Oatis is staying overnight and talking with the staff. Too much bs about lazy recruiting and guys who can't recruit

Oatis staying overnight and taking with staff is huge.

Would be a massive get for us

[Big4Dawg]

https://247sports.com/Player/Javae-Gilmore-46058848/

Announcing Monday (to us)

[KOdawg1]

Some of you guys will never accept the fact, or like it even if you do accept it, that leach recruits a very specific kind of player. He will not land a lot of primmadonnas bc he will not go after them herd.

False

[KOdawg1]

https://247sports.com/Player/Javae-Gilmore-46058848/

Announcing Monday (to us)


I'm really excited about this guy. Forget stars, he can play.

Blanton, Gilmore, and Moore is a hell of a LB haul. Those are three 4 star level players

[Dawgology]

I'm really excited about this guy. Forget stars, he can play.

Blanton, Gilmore, and Moore is a hell of a LB haul. Those are three 4 star level players

Forget stars. This should pretty much be States recruiting season slogan. Lol. It is why I don?t really follow it much anymore.

[confucius say]

Even taking stars into account, the kid is an 89. Some of those are 4 stars and some 3 stars. If we signed a class full of 89's we'd be over the moon happy. Tremendous add.

[Maverick91]

Any news on this weekend?

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

We got a commit from LB from Louisiana. Gilmore is last name. I don?t know much about him

[MetEdDawg]

We got a commit from LB from Louisiana. Gilmore is last name. I don?t know much about him

Javae Gilmore. Shows offers from FSU, Arkansas, Kentucky, Georgia Tech, LSU, Ole Miss, UNC, Virginia, and South Carolina.

That's a good get for us. 89 overall and to me should be a 4 start type guy. Solid LB for this class.

[confucius say]

Great pickup. Highest rated commit in the class, for those that follow that.

[Hambone]

So I’ve seen a few people mention that we should expect some changes in our db recruiting with some commits moving on. I’m guessing we told these guys to look elsewhere?

[Maverick91]

Javae Gilmore. Shows offers from FSU, Arkansas, Kentucky, Georgia Tech, LSU, Ole Miss, UNC, Virginia, and South Carolina.

That's a good get for us. 89 overall and to me should be a 4 start type guy. Solid LB for this class.

I see this now on 247, that is good stuff. Hopefully he blows up and we can keep in the bag.

[Todd4State]

So I’ve seen a few people mention that we should expect some changes in our db recruiting with some commits moving on. I’m guessing we told these guys to look elsewhere?

Depends on how many of our targets commit to us. We got burned a little bit on that Toles guy. I suspect our staff won't do the two birds in the bush thing again this year.

[Dawgology]

Listening to T&L yesterday it sounds like they expect all but two of our recruits to decommit. Lol?it?s why I don?t keep up with recruiting.

[Maverick91]

Listening to T&L yesterday it sounds like they expect all but two of our recruits to decommit. Lol?it?s why I don?t keep up with recruiting.

Did they give a reason for that stupid assumption?

[Hambone]

Yea you had a few not come to camp

[Dawgology]

Did they give a reason for that stupid assumption?

They didn?t really beyond all of them that have committed except two are still taking visits and most out of state kids that commit to us don?t really want to come to State we are fall back plans. Both Hadad and Faulk said this. We have an odd fan base and even odder media coverage.

[bobcat91]

They didn?t really beyond all of them that have committed except two are still taking visits and most out of state kids that commit to us don?t really want to come to State we are fall back plans. Both Hadad and Faulk said this. We have an odd fan base and even odder media coverage.

Throw in Bo Bounds and you have a circus. These are know nothing talking heads. A sad group. Ill especially call out Hadad who is the token whipping boy for the OM cabal.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Kadarius Calloway leaving Bama going to Scooba Tech. I think we are the front runner for him this time. It will be us or OM

[sscjr1]

Kadarius Calloway leaving Bama going to Scooba Tech. I think we are the front runner for him this time. It will be us or OM

Never saw that coming

[Maverick91]

They didn?t really beyond all of them that have committed except two are still taking visits and most out of state kids that commit to us don?t really want to come to State we are fall back plans. Both Hadad and Faulk said this. We have an odd fan base and even odder media coverage.

Yeah, I feel like if that is the case, that narrative needs to change within our media. That is an extremely negative mindset with a "i'm so lucky to have what I have" narrative. That's a 50 years ago State mindset, lets grow up.

[KOdawg1]

Let Calloway play a semester at Scooba tech and then go sign him in February.

Another example of a MS kid not panning out at Alabama. For every Raekwon Davis that pans out, I can show you 3-4 Kadarrius Calloway's, Nigel Knott's, Scott Lashley's that don't. Someone needs to show Jaheim Oatis.

[ShotgunDawg]

Let Calloway play a semester at Scooba tech and then go sign him in February.

Another example of a MS kid not panning out at Alabama. For every Raekwon Davis that pans out, I can show you 3-4 Kadarrius Calloway's, Nigel Knott's, Scott Lashley's that don't. Someone needs to show Jaheim Oatis.

It should help us with Oatis. Hard to see how it won't

[StarkVegasSteve]

It should help us with Oatis. Hard to see how it won't

Because Bama will sell him that he's that Raekwon Davis. They're very good at it.

[ShotgunDawg]

Because Bama will sell him that he's that Raekwon Davis. They're very good at it.

Yes, but they also see him as an OL & have mentioned it.

Plainly, he's not a fit at Bama profile was. Yes Bama is good at selling the brand, but the lack of success by Mississippi kids should be easy to recruit against them with

[Bothrops]

Because Bama will sell him that he's that Raekwon Davis. They're very good at it.

Plus you have to tell them if they commit to us they are to expect an immediate drop in their rating, because the recruiting outfits love to troll our fanbase, just like the media.

[hailmari]

Yeah it was pretty strange to hear a recruiting site media guy (granted, football recruiting isn?t his main focus) saying ?I always expect out of state kids to decommit anyways.? Like, bro, sell your product.


They didn?t really beyond all of them that have committed except two are still taking visits and most out of state kids that commit to us don?t really want to come to State we are fall back plans. Both Hadad and Faulk said this. We have an odd fan base and even odder media coverage.

[FriarsPoint]

Yeah it was pretty strange to hear a recruiting site media guy (granted, football recruiting isn?t his main focus) saying ?I always expect out of state kids to decommit anyways.? Like, bro, sell your product.

Hadad knows 0 about recruiting. Nor does he make an effort. In the years I?ve watched that website, that?s my one take away.

[BB30]

Let Calloway play a semester at Scooba tech and then go sign him in February.

Another example of a MS kid not panning out at Alabama. For every Raekwon Davis that pans out, I can show you 3-4 Kadarrius Calloway's, Nigel Knott's, Scott Lashley's that don't. Someone needs to show Jaheim Oatis.

Eh you could probably say that about our roster in general with big time MS kids over the years. We have had several come here and not do a thing and plenty of under the radar guys that kill it.

[BB30]

Is it really trolling when we finish at about the same clip we recruit at per their rankings? We usually finish a season somewhere between 20-40 in the final rankings and we usually finish in that range in recruiting.

[Bothrops]

Is it really trolling when we finish at about the same clip we recruit at per their rankings? We usually finish a season somewhere between 20-40 in the final rankings and we usually finish in that range in recruiting.

We finish where they want us to finish in the rankings. That's what it's come to.

[Todd4State]

We finish where they want us to finish in the rankings. That's what it's come to.

This is 100% correct.

[bulldawg28]

We finish where they want us to finish in the rankings. That's what it's come to.

This is why no one should care about rankings. It's skewed and pure entertainment.

[HancockCountyDog]

I hear we are in good shape with the Hurst kid from Gautier. I rarely get decent recruiting info, but it is what I'm being told by people that should know.

EDITED TO ADD - apparently I have zero information when it comes to recruiting so ignore me at all times when I post on here.

[BB30]

We finish where they want us to finish in the rankings. That's what it's come to.

Recruiting rankings maybe? Season rankings absolutely not. So if we finish most seasons ranked somewhere between 20-30 which we do, I don't see how they could be wrong about recruiting ratings when we finish somewhere between 20-40.

If you're saying we recruit at a higher clip than where we are rated then that means we have underachieved as a program over the last 10 years and I just don't buy that.

[Hambone]

https://twitter.com/donovanjohnson_/status/1426318973973504002?s=21

[Doggie_Style]

Remember folks…..we don’t worry bout no stinkin recruiting rankings….LOL

[BorneDawg]

How big of a get is this?

[BayouDawg]

How big of a get is this?

From what Ive seen it looks to be a solid pickup. Auburn was after him.

[HancockCountyDog]

How big of a get is this?

If you like our recruiting staff, he was a sleeper that was about to blow up. Rumor is that AU, GA, and FL were about to offer. We are lucky to get him when we did.

If you hate our recruiting staff, he was not even rated by 247 and was recently offered by Stetson, he will be lucky to get 3 stars.

You can pick which one you want to be true and argue your pick to your deathbed.

As usual, truth is most likely somewhere in the middle.

[KOdawg1]

He's a good player. Very solid get. Some DB commits are getting replaced.

[MetEdDawg]

DeCarlos Nicholson decommits from us so Johnson is replacing him.

Doubt we see him again on the commit list.

[KOdawg1]

DeCarlos Nicholson decommits from us so Johnson is replacing him.

Doubt we see him again on the commit list.
I think we would've kept Nicholson if we could. Don't think he was one of the DBs we were replacing. He's a good player. Probably headed to FSU.

[Doggie_Style]

DeCarlos Nicholson decommits from us so Johnson is replacing him.

Doubt we see him again on the commit list.

wow.....that's a blow

[HancockCountyDog]

DeCarlos Nicholson decommits from us so Johnson is replacing him.

Doubt we see him again on the commit list.

That sucks, people that know things on here thought he was really good. I was planning on going to a MGCCC game this fall to check him out.

[MetEdDawg]

I think we would've kept Nicholson if we could. Don't think he was one of the DBs we were replacing. He's a good player. Probably headed to FSU.

By replace I mean I imagined the staff probably got wind of this decommit and got Johnson on board.

Nicholson is absolutely one we would have kept.

[ZedFedder]

We were a safety net for Nicholson it seems.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

By replace I mean I imagined the staff probably got wind of this decommit and got Johnson on board.

Nicholson is absolutely one we would have kept.

The 2 situations aren't related at all.

[KOdawg1]

CommerceCommet, better get a McDonald's bag and drop it off at your boys house and talk some sense into him lol

[Bothrops]

Recruiting rankings maybe? Season rankings absolutely not. So if we finish most seasons ranked somewhere between 20-30 which we do, I don't see how they could be wrong about recruiting ratings when we finish somewhere between 20-40.

If you're saying we recruit at a higher clip than where we are rated then that means we have underachieved as a program over the last 10 years and I just don't buy that.

Coaching and coaching changes and change of scheme don't mean anything?

[Commercecomet24]

CommerceCommet, better get a McDonald's bag and drop it off at your boys house and talk some sense into him lol

Sorry boys this ones out of my hands. I did my best but you know the saying,
It was a business decision.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I told yall when we got him Nicholson would be tough to keep. He is a NFL corner.

We did all we could to get him. The Greenville Christian kids are no slouch either. Tough get after your ass kids