Is anyone here still in the "OM Gonna Skate" camp?

[StatesboroBlues]

I've heard repeat offender

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People keep bringing this up...

How would it be repeat offender when they are not on probation as of right now or at any time during the investigation? The second letter or addendum will not be able to be able to be used as repeat offender.

Now what I think will come into play as for as when the penalties are levied...a good percentage of all this happened while being investigated.

[rem101]

Yep, I'm really believing at this point that this Fall is the Freeze Farewell Tour. The NCAA is either going to give him a show cause or make it excruciating painful for UNM to keep him.

I was texting a buddy who works at auburn yesterday. He said one of the coaches there is good friends with Jimmy Sexton and that coach told him Sexton says he doesn't even believe Freeze will survive this. Twice.

[DanDority]

Anything less than the entire school being completely shutdown, in my opinion in skating. So, yeah I think they skate by on this one.

[ShotgunDawg]

People keep bringing this up...

How would it be repeat offender when they are not on probation as of right now or at any time during the investigation? The second letter or addendum will not be able to be able to be used as repeat offender.

Now what I think will come into play as for as when the penalties are levied...a good percentage of all this happened while being investigated.

I think the entire repeat offender or not is a technicality that won't come into play here.

Ole Miss has been under investigation since 2013 & continued to cheat while the NCAA was investigating them. Due to the investigation lasting so long, they aren't a traditional repeat offender, but I don't see that mattering when the sanctions are announced.

I think the spirit of the repeat offender clause comes more into play with situations like we had with Redmond. Redmond was an isolated incident & the NCAA levied penalties that hurt Redmond & the booster but did little to school. Now, if we had another Redmond situation come up soon, then the NCAA could levy worse penalties by saying that there is a trend of MSU violating this rule.

With Ole Miss it's different. Ole Miss isn't just a repeat offender, it's repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat offender, & the only reason they don't technically fall into the "Repeat Offender" category is because the investigation never ended.

I just don't see that being an issue in this case. I think the NCAA will do what they want & will have mountain of evidence to justify it.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

To answer the original question....I never believed they were going to skate. Why? Two things stood out to me. The original, and I'm sure he's probably still on the case in some capacity, investigator for the NCAA was the compliance officer at LSU during part of the time that the allegations against OM have been outlined. You know good and well that he was hearing things that OM was doing during this time from his own coaches at LSU since they were going head to head on some recruits. He already had some pieces to the puzzle before he started looking for things. Once he found other pieces to the puzzle, he put those with what he already knew going in and validated what he knew beforehand.

Secondly, and most importantly, the entire investigated arm of the NCAA was dismantled after the Miami fiasco. The new regime knew going in the mistakes that the old regime made and the backlash they received. In no way were they going to write the same script as them. Going in, they knew that they had to get this one right. And without admitting it, and probably unconsciously to some degree, part of OM's penalty is going back to make up for the lack of, for Miami.

What I do believe is that the NCAA had no idea they would find what they have going in. If you really go back and look from the beginning, things have really unfolded perfectly for the NCAA in this case. They had the ULL case happen only to find info they could pin back on OM. Then the Tunsil confession, and now the granting of immunity for numerous players who know firsthand the playbook of the Network. Yes, I capitalized Network. It is as real as the monitor you are reading this on and far more advanced than anything you have even heard about it.

Fellow Bulldogs....I say to you, rejoice, for the times of the unrighteous evildoers are numbered.

[archdog]

Yeah. I believe they will essentially skate, until proven otherwise.

[Bully13]

I was texting a buddy who works at auburn yesterday. He said one of the coaches there is good friends with Jimmy Sexton and that coach told him Sexton says he doesn't even believe Freeze will survive this. Twice.

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[Political Hack]

Entire football staff fired, including many in the athletic department. More scholarships than we could imagine giving up. More visits than you can give up and still legitimately recruit anyone worth a damn. 2+ years of bowl bans. I wouldn't be shocked if it's up to 4 years to be honest, and they won't be back in a bowl within 6-8 years likely.

The first guy to text Archie will get the job. Either that, or they'll hire a loyal alumni who has nothing better to do over the next decade.

It'll be bad enough that there will be talk of whether or not they should be allowed to stay in the SEC.

[Commercecomet24]

They won't get the death penalty but they probably gonna wish they didn't have a football program after the smoke clears. With the sanctions coming they're in for a decade of beatings on the field that's gonna be fun to watch. Those new metal bleachers ain't gonna be needed!

[msujan]

The NCAA is gunning for Freeze. These latest interviews with former recruits is not about a $100 handshake in the Grove. They want to place Freeze in the room with recruits and boosters where serious dollar amounts were discussed or given out. I'd bet money now Freeze gets a show cause.

I personally witnessed a $100 handshake in the Sad Pad following a State-Ole Miss game. All the players came off the court and filed a single line that went down the row of big dog boosters who had court-side seats. I saw the bill change hands.

[EngDawg]

Minimum of 30 schollys
Freeze show cause- staff fired
Minimum 2 year Bowl Ban

Is this speculation or a rumor?

[MedDawg]

I think the entire repeat offender or not is a technicality that won't come into play here.

Ole Miss has been under investigation since 2013 & continued to cheat while the NCAA was investigating them. Due to the investigation lasting so long, they aren't a traditional repeat offender, but I don't see that mattering when the sanctions are announced.

I think the spirit of the repeat offender clause comes more into play with situations like we had with Redmond. Redmond was an isolated incident & the NCAA levied penalties that hurt Redmond & the booster but did little to school. Now, if we had another Redmond situation come up soon, then the NCAA could levy worse penalties by saying that there is a trend of MSU violating this rule.

With Ole Miss it's different. Ole Miss isn't just a repeat offender, it's repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat offender, & the only reason they don't technically fall into the "Repeat Offender" category is because the investigation never ended.

I just don't see that being an issue in this case. I think the NCAA will do what they want & will have mountain of evidence to justify it.

New NCAA status just for OM: Never Stopped Offender

[PMDawg]

I just try not to get my hopes up with the NCAA. Only because they are so fickle and unpredictable. I know what they SHOULD get - I have low faith in the NCAA to get it right. But I admit, this week has made it difficult to keep that mindset. I am beginning to get pretty optimistic.

[StatesboroBlues]

I think the entire repeat offender or not is a technicality that won't come into play here.

Ole Miss has been under investigation since 2013 & continued to cheat while the NCAA was investigating them. Due to the investigation lasting so long, they aren't a traditional repeat offender, but I don't see that mattering when the sanctions are announced.

I think the spirit of the repeat offender clause comes more into play with situations like we had with Redmond. Redmond was an isolated incident & the NCAA levied penalties that hurt Redmond & the booster but did little to school. Now, if we had another Redmond situation come up soon, then the NCAA could levy worse penalties by saying that there is a trend of MSU violating this rule.

With Ole Miss it's different. Ole Miss isn't just a repeat offender, it's repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat offender, & the only reason they don't technically fall into the "Repeat Offender" category is because the investigation never ended.

I just don't see that being an issue in this case. I think the NCAA will do what they want & will have mountain of evidence to justify it.

Not denying any of that other than I don't see "repeat offender" being mentioned officially when all said and done. Like I said in my first post...I do see the NCAA taking into account when it comes to punishment the violations that occurred while they were on campus.

Semantics really...an official "repeat offender" status would have everything on the table as for as punishment. More or less...they are going to get punished significantly.

[GreenheadDawg]

Spiderman here in 5..4..3..2..1

[1bigdawg]

Not denying any of that other than I don't see "repeat offender" being mentioned officially when all said and done. Like I said in my first post...I do see the NCAA taking into account when it comes to punishment the violations that occurred while they were on campus.

Semantics really...an official "repeat offender" status would have everything on the table as for as punishment. More or less...they are going to get punished significantly.

I don't think repeat offender status is as important as it once was. Prior to the revised regulations, a school had to be a repeat offender to get the death penalty. In the revision, that was taken out. I am not saying that they get the death penalty, only using that as an example that the full range of penalties is on the table.

[SheltonChoked]

Minimum of 30 schollys
Freeze show cause- staff fired
Minimum 2 year Bowl Ban
Bjork fired

Shelton's list

Minimum of 40 schollys
Freeze show cause (8 years one year Level 1 )- all staff Show caused ( Kiffin- 6 years, Harris- 6 years, Luke - 6 years, Barney-10 years, Nix - 10 years, and the rest 4-8 years)
nutt show cause
Minimum 3 year Bowl Ban
Bjork Show cause (10 years)
Boone Show cause
Jones Show cause
vitter Show cause
Director of Compliance (and the rest of the department - all of them) Show Cause
General council show cause
5 year postseason ban and 30% scholarships lost in WBB and Track
Women's AD show cause
suspension of the Athletics foundation until proven in compliance with Regulations
Forfeit of all games played 2006 - 2016 (ACT to Tunsil)
50% reduction in visits

[RougeDawg]

Kinda like being almost SMART.

FIFY

[jumbo]

30 over 3
2 year bowl ban
Show causes for several coaches including Freezus
Bjork relived of his duties

[Spiderman]

Spiderman here in 5..4..3..2..1

No, because I try not to deal in speculation, or make myself look like an idiot by saying what is gonna happen when I, nor anyone else knows what will happen for sure.