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Manny Banuelos (@ManBanuelos) last 7 starts: 4-0 0.92 ERA, 1.144 WHIP.

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I wouldn't. I would let him continue to start at AAA and shut him down when he hits his innings limit. Let him compete for the 5th starter's spot in spring training next year or try to convert him into a lefty reliever.

Right now, going into next season, I think Shelby Miller, Julio Teheran, Mike Foltynewicz, and Alex Wood are givens. Manny Banuelos, Matt Wisler, and Williams Perez are the main guys for the 5th spot. Of course, Mike Minor will be back if he isn't traded this off season.

That 5th starter battle will be very interesting next season. Our staff could be very, very good next season.


Oh and I wouldn't say folty is a lock. Folty could end up in pen. Not sure if fried will be ready to go by ST or not, but he could be a factor. Ready to see where Jenkins is by then too

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Not real sure what you're even saying other than you think fredi sucks. I'm not going to defend fredi, although I've somehow been labeled as his defender, I will say that he has only 1 reliable option in the pen. I will also say that I've heard folks complain about him over using pen guys early, and now people bitch when he mixes it up. So I've come to this conclusion...folks who want fredi gone are going to pick apart every decision even when it's not ultimately on him...which is the case with the pen. AGAIN I will say that I don't think a change would be a bad thing IF a better replacement is lined up, but let's only blame fredi for what's on him. A shittastic bullpen with no good option to get consistent 7th-8th inning outs isn't on him.

Don't be a blind follower...

I've praised Fredi for his personnel managment for years, while criticizing his bullpen management. he is who he is, so i don't know why you feel compelled to defend his horrible bullpen management. good bullpen or bad bullpen, he makes horrible bullpen management decisions. your compulsion to pass off his horrible decisions as the fault of a bad pen is just poor analysis. it's more obvious now that he doesn't have an ace bullpen to cover for his poor matchup decisions, but he has always made these mistakes.

but please, explain to me why a 'shitastic bullpen' can afford to hold its closer until the 9th in ALL cases. or can afford to blow its only leftie in the 6th inning with 2 outs and no one on. i'm anxious to hear why those decisions are the fault of the bullpen, and not the manager.

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Need a big game from wood today to get back to .500. Would love to see bethancourt build on last night. I'm really hoping he can hit enough to take over catching

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I've praised Fredi for his personnel managment for years, while criticizing his bullpen management. he is who he is, so i don't know why you feel compelled to defend his horrible bullpen management. good bullpen or bad bullpen, he makes horrible bullpen management decisions. your compulsion to pass off his horrible decisions as the fault of a bad pen is just poor analysis. it's more obvious now that he doesn't have an ace bullpen to cover for his poor matchup decisions, but he has always made these mistakes.

but please, explain to me why a 'shitastic bullpen' can afford to hold its closer until the 9th in ALL cases. or can afford to blow its only leftie in the 6th inning with 2 outs and no one on. i'm anxious to hear why those decisions are the fault of the bullpen, and not the manager.

I've never said his decisions weren't bad. My point has always been that all managers make decisions that are questionable...if the players make the plays then it's seen as a good move but when everyone that's brought in sucks it's easy to question those moves. I also agree that his timing of when certain guys are used can raise some eyebrows. I do disagree about using the closer early, in this instance, because who would he bring in later? Grilli literally is the only guy that is reliable to do his job.

So once again...even with Fredi's poor decision making this year a good pen would have this team in 1st place. That is a fact. That's my point. I have no hidden agenda. I've been clear since about halfway thru last season how I've felt. When fredi makes a stupid move THAT COSTS A WIN I've criticized him...but when the pen can't hold a 3-4 run lead no matter who he runs out there then I don't see how that's on him.

I'll ask you the same question I asked earlier...what manager would have a team above .500 with a +5 bullpen ERA?

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http://m.braves.mlb.com/news/article...or-league-deal

How different will this bullpen look in a week? Could see aardsma, carpenter (old one), and moylan.

How different will it be this time next month? Mckirahan and vizcaino set to return. Read on Braves' board that both are looking very good in extended spring training. Ryan Kelly and carpenter (young one) could be called up by then also.

I think we're gonna figure this pen out. Certainly not predicting a shut you completely down after 6 type, but certainly better than this 5+ era

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12:29 PM
@Braves
Kelly Johnson is set to begin an injury rehabilitation assignment on Monday, June 8, @GwinnettBraves

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12:49 PM
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Source: #Braves signing Dana Eveland. Likely minor-league deal.

Braves To Sign Dana Eveland
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/0...a-eveland.html

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@KevinMcAlpin
Down on the Farm: Since allowing 9 ER in 5.2 IP on 5/1, @TyrellJenkins14 has posted a 1.42 ERA in his last 6 GS (6 ER/38 IP) w/the @mbraves

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Wood is a good pitcher, but he lost some respect from me today. Their pitcher plunks our best 2 players (ff and Simmons) and how does wood respond? By walking him. It's 1 out and no one on... Throw your best fastball and hit him in the hip. Grow a pair Alex

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Then after cole almost hits Peterson, we still do nothing Coles next ab. We're a very soft team

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3:23 PM
gondeee ?@gondeee 13m13 minutes ago
Under Bobby Cox, Wood never would have gotten tossed, because Cox would have interceded long before that & gotten run. C'mon Fredi!

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Really pissed we didn't start bethancourt today. AJ hasn't got around on cole's fastball yet today. They've stole on him and he had an awful at bat after a leadoff double. 0-3

Bethancourt certainly isn't a slugger, but he had a great night last night and certainly has the bat speed to catch up to cole's fastball.

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Fredi did call for the bean on mccutchen, but of course cunniff missed him. I can't help but laugh

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Really pissed we didn't start bethancourt today. AJ hasn't got around on cole's fastball yet today. They've stole on him and he had an awful at bat after a leadoff double. 0-3

Bethancourt certainly isn't a slugger, but he had a great night last night and certainly has the bat speed to catch up to cole's fastball.

0-4 and hasn't even made good contact all day. Way to give your young catcher some confidence, fredi. Sit him after a 3-4 with 2 rbi's including a gw hr... Smh

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Aardsma K's 2 in a perfect 9th for Gwinnett

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Tough day today. There was a bright spot though. The bullpen pitched 4 scoreless innings and cunniff pitched 2 perfect innings with 2 k's.

Oh and cole is the best opposing pitcher I've seen this year. He was having control problems, but his stuff is top notch. Still wish wood wouldve hit him for getting ff and Simmons.

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Tough day today. There was a bright spot though. The bullpen pitched 4 scoreless innings and cunniff pitched 2 perfect innings with 2 k's.

Oh and cole is the best opposing pitcher I've seen this year. He was having control problems, but his stuff is top notch. Still wish wood wouldve hit him for getting ff and Simmons.

I felt like the strike zone was not consistent for each pitcher. Wood was getting squeezed, and the ump seemed to widen Cole's strike zone considering that he didn't have great command today.

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I'll also add this. Bobby Cox would have never let his pitcher get tossed. HE would have gotten tossed before his pitcher does. This is my biggest criticism of Fredi. He sits on his hands too much and doesn't protect his players. This is why players would run through a brick wall for Bobby. They know he is there for them.

Fredi says he didn't know the conversation had gotten heated. Well, Fredi. It's your job to know this. You have to have a finger on the pulse of the situation. Too often, Fredi has sat by and done nothing while his players are left to take the fall.

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Since this thread has 16 thousand hits il add that I miss the old Dale Murphy, Bob Horner, Biff Pocaroba, Jerry Royster days.

I went to the NBC game of the week one Saturday BRaves hosting the Reds with Vin Scully and Joe Garagiola on hand for play by play.

Dave Parker hit a HR for the Reds and Pete Rose went 0 for 5 with five ground outs to the 2nd baseman, but I got to see him play. Dale Murphy hit a double off the roc field wall for an rbi.

Must've been 1985 or so.