Quote Originally Posted by engie View Post
No one needs that. It's obvious, and him beating that drum nonstop doesn't help anything or fix anything. It's what happens in a rebuild. Took Cohen into his 3rd GOOD year(5th overall) before the people really came back as well.

We were 67th in average paid attendance last year. We were 77th in 2010. We averaged 3 fewer(paid) last year than we did in 2010 with a stacked roster that was supposed to make the NCAA tournament(bb attendance down across the country obviously).
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_bask...ttend/2014.pdf
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_bask...ttend/2010.pdf

It's time that we get start winning games and putting butts back in seats. No one is arguing otherwise. Everyone remembers when we were good -- and EVERYONE wants to get back there. So, again, what is the point?
Not debating anything you're saying, but people don't put Ray in the same boat as Cohen because Cohen was a proven winner. There were still some morons calling for his head in year 3, but most people knew he would win if given time. People don't know that with Ray, and it's not looking very likely at all. Hell, even Mullen had won before as an assistant. Ray wasn't really even a winner as an assistant if I remember correctly.

Plus, basketball and baseball have more tradition when it come to winning at a National level (prior to this year's football team), so people tend to not be as patient when it comes to those 2 sports as they are with football where just getting to a bowl was considered "winning" up until 5 years ago.

So I guess that's why I can see both sides of this debate/argument.