Basketball

[msstate7]

There was a positive -- sword starting looking like himself at the end of the game.

What do you guys think about going with this lineup?

Ready
Sword
Thomas
Daniels
Ware

I think this would put our best shooters on the court together. Use johnson as an energy guy off the bench

[Goat from MSU]

I am hoping that am wrong but this is the beginning of the end,lineup changes may not matter anymore.

[Coach34]

I totally think that is the way to go

[engie]

Yeah he did -- and actually hitting a few 3's hopefully pointing to some continued development for him from deep. He'd be our only complete player if that aspect develops.

I think that lineup is small. And Daniels hasn't shown the ability to play the 4 yet at all, while Roq has although he's struggled in the last couple games. Sword and Thomas are both 2's. Putting them in together(pulling Daniels or Houston from the 3) hurts our rebounding... but at this point, Daniels isn't really giving us anything anyway. He broke thru against St Louis and "was who practice reports said he was" -- and has since retreated into his shell and not done anything.

Team is timid. Doesn't play with any swagger. They've got to find that somehow or the season will be over in a hurry.

[msstate7]

Yeah he did -- and actually hitting a few 3's hopefully pointing to some continued development for him from deep. He'd be our only complete player if that aspect develops.

I think that lineup is small. And Daniels hasn't shown the ability to play the 4 yet at all, while Roq has although he's struggled in the last couple games. Sword and Thomas are both 2's. Putting them in together(pulling Daniels or Houston from the 3) hurts our rebounding... but at this point, Daniels isn't really giving us anything anyway. He broke thru against St Louis and "was who practice reports said he was" -- and has since retreated into his shell and not done anything.

Team is timid. Doesn't play with any swagger. They've got to find that somehow or the season will be over in a hurry.

It is small. I'd hope that what we lost is size, we'd gain in quickness. Our team is terrible in half court offense, so we need to find a way to get easy transition baskets. I really don't know what to do, but our present lineup and sub pattern isn't working.

I think it's time to get ready more mins than bloodman. I think johnson is more effective is quick bursts off the bench.

[Goat from MSU]

What happened to Daniels ? That is a good question and if Ready is ready (play on words) ,he need at least 10 more min per game. Coach lit a fire under Ray's ass you are good at that.

Yeah he did -- and actually hitting a few 3's hopefully pointing to some continued development for him from deep. He'd be our only complete player if that aspect develops.

I think that lineup is small. And Daniels hasn't shown the ability to play the 4 yet at all, while Roq has although he's struggled in the last couple games. Sword and Thomas are both 2's. Putting them in together(pulling Daniels or Houston from the 3) hurts our rebounding... but at this point, Daniels isn't really giving us anything anyway. He broke thru against St Louis and "was who practice reports said he was" -- and has since retreated into his shell and not done anything.

Team is timid. Doesn't play with any swagger. They've got to find that somehow or the season will be over in a hurry.

[Political Hack]

told y'all before the season who our best signee was, Juco or otherwise. y'all are going to eventually learn that I rarely, rarely miss in calling basketball talent.

[Goat from MSU]

OK who is it must have missed that post .

told y'all before the season who our best signee was, Juco or otherwise. y'all are going to eventually learn that I rarely, rarely miss in calling basketball talent.

[Political Hack]

OK who is it must have missed that post .

the Juco that can score with either hand either facing or with his back to the basket. He's a poor man's Tyler Hansborough and would've been huge for us this year.

[thf24]

What happened to Daniels ?

I think Daniels has little to no confidence right now, and that it partially stems from the system in which he played in JUCO (minutes were spread around very evenly, no one was heavily relied on). If he can step up and embrace the role of "the guy," like we saw a flash of in the St. Louis game, then I think we can get back on track this year and meet the expectations of the more optimistic among us. But like I said in another thread, I'm not sold on Ray's ability to inspire confidence after taking nearly two years to get Fred right in the head.

[engie]

Daniels just doesn't have confidence and is playing timid. He's second-guessing every step he takes on the floor. You can't do ANYTHING in a basketball game when you get stuck in that mindset. He's as talented as anyone on our team -- I want to see him get pissed off and play like it. The switch has GOT to flip for him.

These last couple of games is the first time I've really questioned Ray -- because year 3 is when judgement is totally fair. How we respond to this adversity will define what we can be under him. I don't think anyone doubted that we'd face adversity or lose some games that we should have won this season. We've got to step up and win a couple we're not supposed to.

Everyone forgets when we were a gnats ass away from missing the SEC tourney and thus(likely) postseason under Cohen in year 3 before we got hot late. It was total meltdown and a faction ready to fire everyone after we lost the extra inning game at Bama to drop to 24-18 and had gone 3-11 in the last 14 SEC games. Then, we rattled off 6 straight SEC wins to get into the SEC tourney by a game, took out USM and Ga Tech to win a regional, and the rest is history.

Good-to-great coaches show a positive response to adversity. Ray will have his chance to do that here. He's got to get it going though. I don't like how "even keel" he seems through these losses. I want to see him go damn yankee or intense bastard on someone and show some fire.

[Political Hack]

Daniels is a role player at best. Forcing him to be "the guy" will make things worse. He's Tito.

[coastdoglover]

Hack, I know you and I differed on Stansbury and that is okay, but if anybody keeps thinking this will get better, they are sadly mistaken. I went to the Tulane game with a Tulane buddy of mine and we both agreed it was two of the worst teams in college basketball. Coach and his followers got what they wanted and now we see it is "be careful what you wish for". I would imagine when we give this guy another year and it is no different, we will still see the same folks who ran off the only really successful coach we had since Babe sitting on the side. You never remove a coach without a better one lined up. Basketball is at an all time low at MSU and will stay that way until someone figures out it is a revenue sport as well. It certainly is not now and we have lost thousands of dollars the past 3 years and it wont be any better this year. Don't be surprised that women's basketball outdraws the men's before the year is out. Even a novice can see the difference.

[engie]

Where in the SEC is basketball not prettymuch at an all time low for?

[Political Hack]

Hack, I know you and I differed on Stansbury and that is okay, but if anybody keeps thinking this will get better, they are sadly mistaken. I went to the Tulane game with a Tulane buddy of mine and we both agreed it was two of the worst teams in college basketball. Coach and his followers got what they wanted and now we see it is "be careful what you wish for". I would imagine when we give this guy another year and it is no different, we will still see the same folks who ran off the only really successful coach we had since Babe sitting on the side. You never remove a coach without a better one lined up. Basketball is at an all time low at MSU and will stay that way until someone figures out it is a revenue sport as well. It certainly is not now and we have lost thousands of dollars the past 3 years and it wont be any better this year. Don't be surprised that women's basketball outdraws the men's before the year is out. Even a novice can see the difference.

Just to be clear, I love Stans for what he did at State. I did think it was time to move on after Renardo and all the internal political bickering within the Ath Dept, but we botched the coaching search big time. We are pretty bad right now. I can't remember being worse over a 3 year stretch than we have thus far, with no signs of getting better. Unless Ray lands Malik and gets that electric 2-guard he needs to fit this team and runs the offense through them, he's done IMO.

[Political Hack]

Where in the SEC is basketball not prettymuch at an all time low for?

Kentucky is ok.***

[Raytoraid83]

Where in the SEC is basketball not prettymuch at an all time low for?

This is true but a lot of teams are showing signs of getting better.

Auburn- Bruce Pearl (enough said) just got their 7' transfer from maryland cleared and there's no doubt Pearl is gonna bring in top talent. Sold out their opening game for the first time in over 20 years.

A&M- House (transfer from Houston and former 5*) just got cleared and dropped 21 last night to go along with a top 5 recruiting class coming in next year --Thanks Stansbury

LSU- obvious nba talent on that team. Streaky team but talented. Has the number one player in the nation coming in next year.

Just a few examples of teams in the west that may not be great teams but have made moves to keep fans interested. And we're suppose to sit around and get excited over a 2016 class? Give me a break. We need help now and another 5'8 pg isn't the answer.

[Political Hack]

This is true but a lot of teams are showing signs of getting better.

Auburn- Bruce Pearl (enough said) just got their 7' transfer from maryland cleared and there's no doubt Pearl is gonna bring in top talent. Sold out their opening game for the first time in over 20 years.

A&M- House (transfer from Houston and former 5*) just got cleared and dropped 21 last night to go along with a top 5 recruiting class coming in next year --Thanks Stansbury

LSU- obvious nba talent on that team. Streaky team but talented. Has the number one player in the nation coming in next year.

Just a few examples of teams in the west that may not be great teams but have made moves to keep fans interested. And we're suppose to sit around and get excited over a 2016 class? Give me a break. We need help now and another 5'8 pg isn't the answer.

Arkansas isn't going to embrace sucking forever either.

[engie]

This is true but a lot of teams are showing signs of getting better.

Auburn- Bruce Pearl (enough said) just got their 7' transfer from maryland cleared and there's no doubt Pearl is gonna bring in top talent. Sold out their opening game for the first time in over 20 years.

A&M- House (transfer from Houston and former 5*) just got cleared and dropped 21 last night to go along with a top 5 recruiting class coming in next year --Thanks Stansbury

LSU- obvious nba talent on that team. Streaky team but talented. Has the number one player in the nation coming in next year.

Just a few examples of teams in the west that may not be great teams but have made moves to keep fans interested. And we're suppose to sit around and get excited over a 2016 class? Give me a break. We need help now and another 5'8 pg isn't the answer.

This same "hope" has been dangling on a limb for what's nearing a whole decade of shitty basketball now. Wake me when the conference is back to it was before and is in it's rightful place beside the ACC and B1G....

[engie]

Arkansas isn't going to embrace sucking forever either.

They haven't embraced it at all. That doesn't shorten their impotence or hasten their "fixing". All it does is make them unload coaches too quickly.