Sunday Morning QB With SVS-Tough Decisions Are Coming

[CaptainObvious]

LED lights and Logos and White Croomtastic helmets haven?t won a single game for state.

Put a plain Maroon helmet, plain jersey with a number on each side and plain white trousers with no piping and solid black high tops with white socks and no name on the jersey and tell them to win some damn games and we might put their initials on the back!

[viverlibre]

I don?t know why people continue to misinterpret the booing over the years. It?s primarily directed at the coaching and decision making by the coaches.

A couple of home games ago, Shapen was loudly booed (mostly by the students) during player interdictions. Will was booed unmercifully during the Arnep error.

[Offshore Dawg]

I think 10 days is enough time to formulate a game plan based on what he can actually run, which is about 60% of the playbook at this point. Not bad for a freshman, but definitely limits some of the things we like to do.

Might be better to be mediocre to good with 60% than mediocre to bad with 100% of the plays.

[DEDawg]

It?s widely rumored that we spent in the $15 million range for this roster. Which seems great but when you consider where you started at to where you are currently we needed to spend closer to $25 million. The lack of depth when guys like Reese and Issac Smith are out really shows. It?s a massive drop off in talent. And the issue is we have a few quality SEC starters but for the most part, especially on the lines of scrimmage, the guys we?re depending on would be depth pieces at best everywhere else in the conference. Lebby compounds the problem with bone headed coaching decisions and last night is what you get. Bottom line is with this roster we have to damn near be perfect to win and Lebby does a poor job of coaching perfect.

Wow we have 5 wins with only 15M? That's shocking. I assumed we spent 20-22M range. Honestly 5 wins on that kind of budget is pretty damn good. God we are cheap.

[R2Dawg]

Yesterday was not good. There is no way around that defensively we have regressed to last year. Offensively we are a shell of what we were earlier in the year. Special Teams is just an unmitigated disaster. All around yesterday was a top 3 bad day of the Lebby era. And by the way, you can say that without wanting to fire him.

1. It is time to make the switch. I appreciate what Blake has given us, because damn he gives us everything he has, but this is the time. You have 13 days to install a game plan that Kamario can execute and gives you a chance. Ole Miss has had trouble with mobile QBs. I think making them play 11 on 11 helps you in the run game and it also can free up deep shots, where OM has been susceptible.

2. Our RBs have to give us something. Anything. I know the line is bad, but damn. We are getting nothing from Bothwell or Booth.

3. If Thompson cannot go against OM, which I think he will be able to by the way, we need AT LEAST three more pass catchers to step up. Rickey Johnson and Magee probably need to transfer out because it will not be them. Ayden needs to step up and embrace that this is the time to show up and show out.

4. Our line is shit. Complete dog shit. That is on Leach, Miller, Arnett, Friend, that other line coach we brought in, Lebby, and Kennedy. It is not on Phil Loadholt but he is not absolved of blame. He is not putting a cohesive unit out there and I still have seen no improvement from Jimothy Lewis. Hell even Reese sucked last night.

5. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, get rid of David Turner. He has now officially wasted Trevion Williams. He has not developed Bingley-Jones in 2 years. Burroughs still cannot play more than 3 plays at a time. Go drop a bag on Bo Davis? desk in New Orleans and get this shit fixed.

6. Our LBs were ok. I actually have been really impressed with the development of Nic Mitchell. He still is not great but he flies to the football and he tends to make the play when he is near. Smith and Lockhart are going to be great for us next season if they can develop and we hold onto them.

7. Back on to things that need to go, Corey Bell, COME ON DOWN. Development is bad, technique is bad, and recruiting is bad. Hell even Kelley Jones looked bad last night.

8. It is probably time for Coleman Hutzler to go. It looked like it had gotten better but that was a mirage. We need to go out and pull a big fish.

9. Continuing with things that need to go, Cliff Odom it is your turn. Your special teams are a disaster. You have now TWICE this year had a guy commit a penalty on a FG try that ends up giving the other team a 1st down, in which they score a TD. You punted to the best damn returner in the conference in the Texas game, and last night your snapper could not even get the snap back to the holder. Ferrie did make a couple of FGs so good on him.

10. Lebby needs to give up playcalling. It is that simple. He is never going to reach his potential as a HC if he keeps obsessing over the offensive play calls and game plan.

11. Black Friday will be bad if we come out like we did last night. It is probably going to be bad anyways but Florida is not very good and should have beaten OM last night. There is a path to victory. I do believe that path involves Kamario playing and starting.

12. This does not get better without NIL and buy in. Plain and simple. You do not have to give but do not be mad when we struggle next year and then cannot get a good HC because our NIL is in such crap shape.

13. The administration has given fans EVERYTHING you have asked for: LED lights, cleaning up The Junction, better gameday ops, interlocking, a more competitive roster. It is time to do your part. Show up on Black Friday. Cheer for Mississippi State. DO NOT BOO OUR PLAYERS. I did not think I would have to say that but after perusing Twitter last night I am saying it. That is low class. Be there, be loud, but be for US. Be together.

Keep The Fight, Keep The Faith. GTHOM. HailState

1. KT must be a major part or the main part to the egg bowl, plain and simple. If nothing else to give some hope for next year even in a loss. Shapen is done, thanks for his contribution but it is over. KT is the future and could be the now on egg bowl day if Lebby prepares right.

2. RB is related to OL issues and Fluff injury.

5. We got to make a change here. Trevion has NFL potential and we've done nothing.

6. LB has regressed too but I watched Tillman and that guy can play. High motor. I watched him miss the gap on a running play then run across the field past everyone else and make tackle from behind. Problem is we ain't got but a few guys still playing like that on D. The D has quit or many of them have, some have not. Lots of guys just going thru motions now, arm tackling, don't get hurt, not giving full effort. This is not the same D that played most of the year.

10 - this is the ultimatum that Selmon needs to make. Give up playcalling or give up HC. You've proven you can't do both; not sure he can do either.

12. Yeah I get NIL but good enough NIL should have won 8 games this year and we only winning 5. We had talent this year to win and we wasted it.

13. Well fans have given it to MSU this year too. No reason to poo poo on fans after this year. What more do you want?

[bulldawg28]

If Lebby gives up play calling it changes a lot. Go get Billy Gonzalez at Florida. He has the offense humming and might bring some offensive weapons with him.

[RezDog7]

If Lebby gives up play calling it changes a lot. Go get Billy Gonzalez at Florida. He has the offense humming and might bring some offensive weapons with him.

24, 7 and 24 is what Billy Gonzalez has scored in his last three games. Yeah, more of that please. Good god.

[Maroon Glasses]

Opening statement is spot on. It was bad.

1- Disagree with this one. I'm not interested in killing KT and his growth behind that line. And here is a truth. KT only was allowed 2.2 yards per carry because they have footage now. KT is averaging more sacks per passing attempt than Shapen. All that means is it's more evidence that we need an OL very badly.

2- I wish we could get that too. But brother, you keep saying it over and over. Our OL is as good as it's going to be until we hit the portal.

3- Mosley has just fallen off the map. Mosl;ey can block... Williams cant.

4- OL.. It's patch work right now and the real issue it's patch work full of 3 stars. Our fans want to believe that those stars do not matter, but they do.

5- THIS is spot on. More so, we made improvements to the D. But he needs to retire to and office and work.

6- agreed

7- Kelly. Man that kid is great in coverage but scared to death vs the run. I mean scared to death.

8- Hutzler.... I think if he had better position coaches we would have won 8 this year. But I would be ok with him replaced.

9- yeah We have the talent, we need the coaching.

10- Disagree here.

11- Not looking forward to that.

12- 1000000% It does not. Football is won or lost on the OL and DL/front 7

13- Our fans cut off their noses in spite of their face. we are our worst enemy.

Where are you getting your sack information at? I've ran the numbers and also have looked several places online. Shapen is getting sacked 10.4% of the time during drop backs. KT is 5.3% on his drop backs.

Also, I get the star thing. But we watched Mullen take us to #1 with a 2 star QB and a roster full of 3 stars. Mullen did not recruit well at all, but he coached and developed. We also watched A&M take the highest rated class of all time and win 7-9 games a year with them while lighting millions of dollars on fire. NIL matters but it doesn't work without the right guy sailing the ship. It's just a money pit at that point.

[Todd4State]

Where are you getting your sack information at? I've ran the numbers and also have looked several places online. Shapen is getting sacked 10.4% of the time during drop backs. KT is 5.3% on his drop backs.

Also, I get the star thing. But we watched Mullen take us to #1 with a 2 star QB and a roster full of 3 stars. Mullen did not recruit well at all, but he coached and developed. We also watched A&M take the highest rated class of all time and win 7-9 games a year with them while lighting millions of dollars on fire. NIL matters but it doesn't work without the right guy sailing the ship. It's just a money pit at that point.

That era is completely over.

I know that MSU fans love the idea of taking a kid from Ethel HS that no one knew about and they end up becoming a star and we win 10 games with those kids but even with Dan that wasn't the complete reality of the roster. We had guys like Fred Ross, Will Redmond, and Chris Jones that were highly ranked spread in.

[Todd4State]

24, 7 and 24 is what Billy Gonzalez has scored in his last three games. Yeah, more of that please. Good god.

I know right? And he was awful at recruiting when he was at MSU.

[Todd4State]

Yesterday was not good. There is no way around that defensively we have regressed to last year. Offensively we are a shell of what we were earlier in the year. Special Teams is just an unmitigated disaster. All around yesterday was a top 3 bad day of the Lebby era. And by the way, you can say that without wanting to fire him.

1. It is time to make the switch. I appreciate what Blake has given us, because damn he gives us everything he has, but this is the time. You have 13 days to install a game plan that Kamario can execute and gives you a chance. Ole Miss has had trouble with mobile QBs. I think making them play 11 on 11 helps you in the run game and it also can free up deep shots, where OM has been susceptible.

2. Our RBs have to give us something. Anything. I know the line is bad, but damn. We are getting nothing from Bothwell or Booth.

3. If Thompson cannot go against OM, which I think he will be able to by the way, we need AT LEAST three more pass catchers to step up. Rickey Johnson and Magee probably need to transfer out because it will not be them. Ayden needs to step up and embrace that this is the time to show up and show out.

4. Our line is shit. Complete dog shit. That is on Leach, Miller, Arnett, Friend, that other line coach we brought in, Lebby, and Kennedy. It is not on Phil Loadholt but he is not absolved of blame. He is not putting a cohesive unit out there and I still have seen no improvement from Jimothy Lewis. Hell even Reese sucked last night.

5. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, get rid of David Turner. He has now officially wasted Trevion Williams. He has not developed Bingley-Jones in 2 years. Burroughs still cannot play more than 3 plays at a time. Go drop a bag on Bo Davis? desk in New Orleans and get this shit fixed.

6. Our LBs were ok. I actually have been really impressed with the development of Nic Mitchell. He still is not great but he flies to the football and he tends to make the play when he is near. Smith and Lockhart are going to be great for us next season if they can develop and we hold onto them.

7. Back on to things that need to go, Corey Bell, COME ON DOWN. Development is bad, technique is bad, and recruiting is bad. Hell even Kelley Jones looked bad last night.

8. It is probably time for Coleman Hutzler to go. It looked like it had gotten better but that was a mirage. We need to go out and pull a big fish.

9. Continuing with things that need to go, Cliff Odom it is your turn. Your special teams are a disaster. You have now TWICE this year had a guy commit a penalty on a FG try that ends up giving the other team a 1st down, in which they score a TD. You punted to the best damn returner in the conference in the Texas game, and last night your snapper could not even get the snap back to the holder. Ferrie did make a couple of FGs so good on him.

10. Lebby needs to give up playcalling. It is that simple. He is never going to reach his potential as a HC if he keeps obsessing over the offensive play calls and game plan.

11. Black Friday will be bad if we come out like we did last night. It is probably going to be bad anyways but Florida is not very good and should have beaten OM last night. There is a path to victory. I do believe that path involves Kamario playing and starting.

12. This does not get better without NIL and buy in. Plain and simple. You do not have to give but do not be mad when we struggle next year and then cannot get a good HC because our NIL is in such crap shape.

13. The administration has given fans EVERYTHING you have asked for: LED lights, cleaning up The Junction, better gameday ops, interlocking, a more competitive roster. It is time to do your part. Show up on Black Friday. Cheer for Mississippi State. DO NOT BOO OUR PLAYERS. I did not think I would have to say that but after perusing Twitter last night I am saying it. That is low class. Be there, be loud, but be for US. Be together.

Keep The Fight, Keep The Faith. GTHOM. HailState

I agree with a lot of this. Magee doesn't need to hit the portal. I thought he played OK against Mizzou. He has potential.

We're going to have to take inventory of the program at the end of the year and try to make changes as necessary.

If we make coaching changes we're going to have to also consider who the new potential coaches could bring with them.

I like your idea that you said earlier about adding Joe Jon Finley. He has been around Ben Arbuckle this year and it would be interesting to see if he would add some stuff to Lebby's.

Defense- I don't know why David Turner is still around. That's a typical bush league MSU move- keeping a guy around just because he was good ten years ago. We can't operate like that anymore. Dude is completely washed. If you want to keep him around as an analyst- cool. But he shouldn't be the DL coach. Hutzler has been better but our tackling has gotten worse as the season has gone on. That's my biggest concern with him. I think what we should do with him is give him the AHC title and make him the STC so it's not really a demotion and more of a lateral move. He was a good ST coach. Then hire a legit DC like Golding or Durkin.

[Todd4State]

Wow we have 5 wins with only 15M? That's shocking. I assumed we spent 20-22M range. Honestly 5 wins on that kind of budget is pretty damn good. God we are cheap.

I think we probably need to get to 40 million honestly. To get to what I think we want to be.

[Coach34]

All this bullshit on the boards and twitter is just a bunch of squawking. We absolutely got our asses handed to us in the trenches. They beat our ass upfront on both sides of the ball. Not alot more needs to be said. Even the Chosen One- KT- had 22 yards on 10 carries. When you have spent all week on a gameplan and practiced it all week- and its not working- you cant change offenses like you do on Playstation. You cant make up new plays. You got what you got.

The QB's ran so much because we had numbers in the box. And we stilllllll got our asses handed to us.

We spent $15MM on this roster. That is bottom of the SEC. Georgia and Big Boys are $25MM to 35MM. TT spent over $30MM and they brag about doing it. Our coach aint perfect but coaching didnt lose the game last night. Being shitty upfront did. Lack of talent and depth has caused the losses in these close games as much as anything (except Texas when he didnt milk the clock).

He's not being fired. We have to get out and bring in better people in the trenches. That is the only way to get back in a bowl game. But football is pretty much done for at State and I've said it for 3 years now. We dont have the money it takes to spend on a legit roster. We are able to compete in basketball and baseball because it costs alot less to do so.

[CadaverDawg]

All this bullshit on the boards and twitter is just a bunch of squawking. We absolutely got our asses handed to us in the trenches. They beat our ass upfront on both sides of the ball. Not alot more needs to be said. Even the Chosen One- KT- had 22 yards on 10 carries. When you have spent all week on a gameplan and practiced it all week- and its not working- you cant change offenses like you do on Playstation. You cant make up new plays. You got what you got.

The QB's ran so much because we had numbers in the box. And we stilllllll got our asses handed to us.

We spent $15MM on this roster. That is bottom of the SEC. Georgia and Big Boys are $25MM to 35MM. TT spent over $30MM and they brag about doing it. Our coach aint perfect but coaching didnt lose the game last night. Being shitty upfront did. Lack of talent and depth has caused the losses in these close games as much as anything (except Texas when he didnt milk the clock).

He's not being fired. We have to get out and bring in better people in the trenches. That is the only way to get back in a bowl game. But football is pretty much done for at State and I've said it for 3 years now. We dont have the money it takes to spend on a legit roster. We are able to compete in basketball and baseball because it costs alot less to do so.

If football is "pretty much done for" at MSU, Then I'm out too. I need a good quality excuse to switch teams...maybe if we are sure there is no competing in today's landscape, we can drop down to a G5 and I can choose a new P5 team. If Kiffin would leave Ole Miss for Florida I'd be cool with being a Gator fan.
They have history, money, and would then have a great, fun coach to go with it.

[Maroon Glasses]

That era is completely over.

I know that MSU fans love the idea of taking a kid from Ethel HS that no one knew about and they end up becoming a star and we win 10 games with those kids but even with Dan that wasn't the complete reality of the roster. We had guys like Fred Ross, Will Redmond, and Chris Jones that were highly ranked spread in.

I know it's not something that is likely. It's hard to find diamonds in the rough. But I dont think it has to be over. I think it's definitely way harder now because high school recruiting isn't prioritized anymore. The portal is priority. But I can definitely understand what you're saying. I guess since high school recruiting isn't prioritized, they definitely aren't gonna be looking for those diamond in the rough type guys anymore. Pretty much need to use the portal to do that. That was the good ol' days!

[Coach34]

If football is "pretty much done for" at MSU, Then I'm out too. I need a good quality excuse to switch teams...maybe if we are sure there is no competing in today's landscape, we can drop down to a G5 and I can choose a new P5 team. If Kiffin would leave Ole Miss for Florida I'd be cool with being a Gator fan.
They have history, money, and would then have a great, fun coach to go with it.

Not dropping to G5. SEC needs a whipping boy and we are good in basketball and baseball.

Under the current system- Miss State is not going to win in football

[Todd4State]

I know it's not something that is likely. It's hard to find diamonds in the rough. But I dont think it has to be over. I think it's definitely way harder now because high school recruiting isn't prioritized anymore. The portal is priority. But I can definitely understand what you're saying. I guess since high school recruiting isn't prioritized, they definitely aren't gonna be looking for those diamond in the rough type guys anymore. Pretty much need to use the portal to do that. That was the good ol' days!

It's just different. Priority has to be on the top high school guys. We can still place diamonds in the rough at JUCO and let them grow and develop there and then add them later if they pan out but roster spots are at a premium now. We can't afford to have developmental guys taking up too many roster spots unfortunately. Those spots now go to difference makers from the portal.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

I agree with most of this. However it's too early to want to rid ourselves of Ricky Johnson and Sanfrisco Magee. They are true freshmen lol.

Neither of the two players you mentioned are true freshmen.

[BuckyIsAB****]

All this bullshit on the boards and twitter is just a bunch of squawking. We absolutely got our asses handed to us in the trenches. They beat our ass upfront on both sides of the ball. Not alot more needs to be said. Even the Chosen One- KT- had 22 yards on 10 carries. When you have spent all week on a gameplan and practiced it all week- and its not working- you cant change offenses like you do on Playstation. You cant make up new plays. You got what you got.

The QB's ran so much because we had numbers in the box. And we stilllllll got our asses handed to us.

We spent $15MM on this roster. That is bottom of the SEC. Georgia and Big Boys are $25MM to 35MM. TT spent over $30MM and they brag about doing it. Our coach aint perfect but coaching didnt lose the game last night. Being shitty upfront did. Lack of talent and depth has caused the losses in these close games as much as anything (except Texas when he didnt milk the clock).

He's not being fired. We have to get out and bring in better people in the trenches. That is the only way to get back in a bowl game. But football is pretty much done for at State and I've said it for 3 years now. We dont have the money it takes to spend on a legit roster. We are able to compete in basketball and baseball because it costs alot less to do so.

Word salad. I guess Lebbro is in the yacht club too. The last 2 years of Lebby is a fireable offense. Every where else in the country sees the new landscape as a way to turn it around in 1 year. And don?t get me wrong, I hate it and I am giving exactly 0 dollars to players like Shapen who get the check and then tell you to F off on instagram. Lebby has hitched his wagon to that. He should be gone

[Coach34]

Word salad. I guess Lebbro is in the yacht club too. The last 2 years of Lebby is a fireable offense. Every where else in the country sees the new landscape as a way to turn it around in 1 year. And don?t get me wrong, I hate it and I am giving exactly 0 dollars to players like Shapen who get the check and then tell you to F off on instagram. Lebby has hitched his wagon to that. He should be gone

He's not being fired
We tried to get a number of QB's to come to State in the offseason- we werent competitive with money vs other teams. $1MM we offered for a QB is bargain shelf price
aGAIN- our roster is the cheapest in the SEC outside of Kentucky.