Grounded perspective

[Quaoarsking]

We are easily one of the toughest jobs in P5 with lots of G5 jobs easier than this one as well. It's easier to win at Memphis and South Florida than it is at State just to name a couple

If all you mean is wins and losses, then yes it's easier to have a winning record at USF or Memphis. But if you mean the probability of getting ranked, finishing ranked, making the playoffs, or winning the whole thing, it's definitely easier to do all 4 of those at Mississippi State than it is at any G5 school, or a lot of ACC or Big 12 programs.

[Cowbeller]

If all you mean is wins and losses, then yes it's easier to have a winning record at USF or Memphis. But if you mean the probability of getting ranked, finishing ranked, making the playoffs, or winning the whole thing, it's definitely easier to do all 4 of those at Mississippi State than it is at any G5 school, or a lot of ACC or Big 12 programs.

But you arent getting fired for not making the playoffs at Memphis. Here eventually your time would run out.

[msstate7]

Lol the loss to Toledo was not a fluke. It was bad luck, poor effort, poor planning, and poor decision making by the former AD office. Then we went into SEC play with the same roster and we expected something different than what we saw.

Oh, so Toledo was the better team? If so, your freeman example is even worse.

[RezDog7]

Just catching up on this thread. If you think giving up on another coach that has showed immediate and exponential improvement in 1 year should be gone you are a 17ing moron. You have to let the guy build something and constant turnover is what gets programs in another mess. He has coached us to what at worst should be a 5-2 record. Execution on the field is the miss right now and mostly at the QB position. Lebby will have growing pains like throwing the ball in FG range but that is what comes with an up and coming coach.

Also interested in hearing the yalls bright ideas on a replacement. I remember half this board being thrilled with Arnett. I would love to see your takes on Saban in his early bama days lmao

Since we are not as good as others in NIL funds it would be idiotic to fire a coach after two years. I love his offensive scheme. I believe we will continue to get better. Lebby may still have some growing pains but I've seen enough good in just one year to keep believing.

[Maverick91]

Anyone that can't recognize how tough the gig at state is is definitely not tethered to reality.

Not that I am disagreeing with you. But I am really tired of hearing how tough state is to win at. Like what does the school need to do to change that perspective?

[Quaoarsking]

We are lucky you are not in charge or we would be 1-11 with a shiny new coach every year wondering why we arent progressing.

Actually, I have 20 years of posting history that suggests otherwise.

I wanted Croom gone sooner than most. I never wanted Mullen fired, even when half the boards did in 2013. I checked out on Moorhead faster than the median poster. I never wanted Leach fired, even as half the boards considered his offense a threat to their own masculinity. I was one of the first people to give up on Arnett, when most of this board said I was crazy and that we'd never fire him midseason.

That's 5 out of 5 that I was correct. And I'm not even pulling the plug on Lebby yet. I'll wait until the season is over. But you better believe whatever recommendation I make at the end of the year is going to turn out to bw right like it was for the last 5 head coaches.

[Quaoarsking]

But you arent getting fired for not making the playoffs at Memphis. Here eventually your time would run out.

No, here you can go 0-11 and fans will defend you no matter what.

[msstate7]

Not that I am disagreeing with you. But I am really tired of hearing how tough state is to win at. Like what does the school need to do to change that perspective?

ED, "winning here is extremely hard"
Also ED, "Thank God, Mullen is gone (who won here)"

[Cowbeller]

Not that I am disagreeing with you. But I am really tired of hearing how tough state is to win at. Like what does the school need to do to change that perspective?

You need to stop looking at it as a negative. Of course winning at an SEC school is tough. The only way to lose the perception is to find a guy not backing down and embracing the challenge year over year until we establish the winning as a norm.

[msstate7]

Actually, I have 20 years of posting history that suggests otherwise.

I wanted Croom gone sooner than most. I never wanted Mullen fired, even when half the boards did in 2013. I checked out on Moorhead faster than the median poster. I never wanted Leach fired, even as half the boards considered his offense a threat to their own masculinity. I was one of the first people to give up on Arnett, when most of this board said I was crazy and that we'd never fire him midseason.

That's 5 out of 5 that I was correct. And I'm not even pulling the plug on Lebby yet. I'll wait until the season is over. But you better believe whatever recommendation I make at the end of the year is going to turn out to bw right like it was for the last 5 head coaches.

I match up with on 4/5 coaches. I hated watching us under leach even though the results were acceptable. I wanted Moorhead gone after first sec loss (Kentucky). That was as bad a loss as I can remember considering how talented we were.

[Coach34]

Not that I am disagreeing with you. But I am really tired of hearing how tough state is to win at. Like what does the school need to do to change that perspective?

About $250MM injection into athletics for the Big 3. 150MM for football, 60MM for basketball, and 40MM for beisball

[Coursesuper]

Good thing I neither said nor implied that.

All I'm saying is that I don't give Lebby credit for getting out of a hole he dug for himself.

I think we are probably better than we were in 2023, so good for him, but I'm not impressed that we're better than we were in 2024 when he was the coach.

How in the world did Lebby dig a hole that a disjointed booster base and an idiotic AD took years to create? I'm truly at a loss to understand that. We our own selves created the shit show that this staff walked into as a matter of fact we are so good at it could be considered professionals because we do it over and over again. We are a for all intents a permanently fractured alumni and booster base that until very recently has been able to chose substantially sub par leadership for the athletic department. Our factions, that were once separated by region now not so much still pull over control, just for the sake of just having control to the detriment of us all. Our Confederate brethren have finally figured this out and it is paying off for them in great fashion. They have a plan and are on the same page from David Nutt to a tick at the Sonic in Batesville. I hope that one day before I am no more that we could do this, but I have zero confidence that this will ever happen, its in our DNA to 17 it up. Just look at this board it proves my thesis everyday.

[Quaoarsking]

How in the world did Lebby dig a hole that a disjointed booster base and an idiotic AD took years to create? I'm truly at a loss to understand that.

Despite whatever NIL and talent deficiencies we had, we still had no business losing to Toledo at all. Whenever bad SEC teams play mid level MAC teams, the SEC team almost always wins. A weird fluky loss I might get over, but not a humiliating beatdown. That game was a disgrace. Remember that just about any MAC player who is good is moving up to a P4 school, so it's even worse to have such a loss in the transfer era than it used to be.

If Lebby had beaten Toledo and 1 SEC team last year to finish 4-8, everyone would be feeling so much better about him, even though the "improvement" argument wouldn't be as strong.

[TrapGame]

I match up with on 4/5 coaches. I hated watching us under leach even though the results were acceptable. I wanted Moorhead gone after first sec loss (Kentucky). That was as bad a loss as I can remember considering how talented we were.

Kentucky was the canary in the coal mine. I still gave him the benefit of the doubt bc he was new to the SEC. You and I had some really arguments that year. But, year two when Kansas State kicked our dicks in the dirt at home and manhandled us on both sides of the ball, I was 100% done with Joe. I just do not see anything remotely like that with Lebby.

[TrapGame]

Despite whatever NIL and talent deficiencies we had, we still had no business losing to Toledo at all. Whenever bad SEC teams play mid level MAC teams, the SEC team almost always wins. A weird fluky loss I might get over, but not a humiliating beatdown. That game was a disgrace. Remember that just about any MAC player who is good is moving up to a P4 school, so it's even worse to have such a loss in the transfer era than it used to be.

If Lebby had beaten Toledo and 1 SEC team last year to finish 4-8, everyone would be feeling so much better about him, even though the "improvement" argument wouldn't be as strong.

Brother, we had a bunch of starters last year that probably would have rode the bench at Toledo. I do not think you guys really get how bad our team was last year.

[Quaoarsking]

Brother, we had a bunch of starters last year that probably would have rode the bench at Toledo. I do not think you guys really get how bad our team was last year.

If that's true (it's not), Lebby should have gotten better ones in the portal. Even in 2023 we should have been able to put together a better roster than a MAC also-ran.

[Coursesuper]

Despite whatever NIL and talent deficiencies we had, we still had no business losing to Toledo at all. Whenever bad SEC teams play mid level MAC teams, the SEC team almost always wins. A weird fluky loss I might get over, but not a humiliating beatdown. That game was a disgrace. Remember that just about any MAC player who is good is moving up to a P4 school, so it's even worse to have such a loss in the transfer era than it used to be.

If Lebby had beaten Toledo and 1 SEC team last year to finish 4-8, everyone would be feeling so much better about him, even though the "improvement" argument wouldn't be as strong.

Just cut off the rest and don?t worry about that. Try and make us believe that all that is currently happening started last year. Don?t worry about the context and of and why we got here, those little details don?t matter. Cherry picking your response, perfectly. Truly the Missippy Tate way. I will never live to see us not bashing our heads against a wall to prove that we are the smallest again and again and again.

[Quaoarsking]

Just cut off the rest and don?t worry about that. Try and make us believe that all that is currently happening started last year. Don?t worry about the context and of and why we got here, those little details don?t matter. Cherry picking your response, perfectly. Truly the Missippy Tate way. I will never live to see us not bashing our heads against a wall to prove that we are the smallest again and again and again.

Actually, I'm the one who says 0-16 shouldn't be acceptable, nor should getting blown out by Toledo, and the small minded poor 'ols are the ones who say that they are.

Disagree with me all you want, but no one would ever confuse me for someone who thinks Mississippi State isn't deserving or capable of elite results.

[TrapGame]

If that's true (it's not), Lebby should have gotten better ones in the portal. Even in 2023 we should have been able to put together a better roster than a MAC also-ran.

I guess you did not hear about the guys we let go last year that could not break the two deep on the teams they went to. So yeah, it?s true.

Lebby did get better guys in the portal, this year. And it shows. And we need more.

We are a year behind not because of Lebby but bc of the circumstances that preceded him. People holding last year over Lebby either have an agenda or are ignorant as hell.

[Coursesuper]

Actually, I'm the one who says 0-16 shouldn't be acceptable, nor should getting blown out by Toledo, and the small minded poor 'ols are the ones who say that they are.

Disagree with me all you want, but no one would ever confuse me for someone who thinks Mississippi State isn't deserving or capable of elite results.

Thinks = believes, believing is easy, knowing is hard. Knowing and knowledge take work, effort and come with experience. Until you can face up to the reality of what our situation actually is and know where our problems live, we will never achieve what you desire. You are reactionary not proactive, that puts you so on point for the way state people are. Don?t get me wrong I do not like where we are right now but I have the ability to understand why we are where we are and can recognize that steps are being taken to address this situation. I realize that most of the time the things that happen fast require little effort are bad and good things take time and require effort and patience to make them happen. But hey, you be you, you gotta live with it not me.