Grounded perspective

[Quaoarsking]

That was my point. Our fans in that situation would have called for his head when he was even already a proven coach. Now come back to Mississippi States situation and realize that calling for a coach to be fired at 4-3 in year 2 of one of the hardest situations in the country is completely moronic especially when it is obvious that the scheme is not the issue.

Incredible exaggeration. There are 136 FBS teams, and this isn't even in the top half of the hardest jobs.

[Cowbeller]

Incredible exaggeration. There are 136 FBS teams, and this isn't even in the top half of the hardest jobs.

Cant help you if you actually believe that to be the case after Cohen/Leach/Arnett.

He was never going to go 5-7 last year so to pretend like he lost to give himself credit with the fanbase is one of the more laughable things I have ever read. Very clearly he had to step in and start at square 1 and work towards realigning us as a competitive SEC team. He has done just that in his time here and I think we can start talking contender next year. If you dont understand what you are watching on Saturday thats fine but dont be apart of a movement to call for someones job and further cripple us with more and more turnover.

[Quaoarsking]

He was never going to go 5-7 last year so to pretend like he lost to give himself credit with the fanbase is one of the more laughable things I have ever read. Very clearly he had to step in and start at square 1 and work towards realigning us as a competitive SEC team. He has done just that in his time here and I think we can start talking contender next year. If you dont understand what you are watching on Saturday thats fine but dont be apart of a movement to call for someones job and further cripple us with more and more turnover.

Good thing I neither said nor implied that.

All I'm saying is that I don't give Lebby credit for getting out of a hole he dug for himself.

I think we are probably better than we were in 2023, so good for him, but I'm not impressed that we're better than we were in 2024 when he was the coach.

[Cowbeller]

Good thing I neither said nor implied that.

All I'm saying is that I don't give Lebby credit for getting out of a hole he dug for himself.

I think we are probably better than we were in 2023, so good for him, but I'm not impressed that we're better than we were in 2024 when he was the coach.

You say you arent implying that then go on to say he dug himself into that hole. Thats my exact point, he did not cause that last year. He made due with what he could and again has us on an upward trajectory with no ceiling yet.

[TrapGame]

Cant help you if you actually believe that to be the case after Cohen/Leach/Arnett.

He was never going to go 5-7 last year so to pretend like he lost to give himself credit with the fanbase is one of the more laughable things I have ever read. Very clearly he had to step in and start at square 1 and work towards realigning us as a competitive SEC team. He has done just that in his time here and I think we can start talking contender next year. If you dont understand what you are watching on Saturday thats fine but dont be apart of a movement to call for someone?s job and further cripple us with more and more turnover.

People refuse to understand how bad it was last year. It?s either ignorance or an agenda. Lebby walked into an absolute mess. He is still cleaning it up. It also did not help that Cohen had no clue how to handle NIL. It took Selmon righting that ship.

[Quaoarsking]

You say you arent implying that then go on to say he dug himself into that hole. Thats my exact point, he did not cause that last year. He made due with what he could and again has us on an upward trajectory with no ceiling yet.

Sorry, but any reasonable SEC head coach beats Toledo. Or at least doesn't get embarrassed by them. That one is on Lebby.

[Quaoarsking]

The best pro-Lebby argument you can make is "sure, he sucked last year and finished 2-10 when a good coach would have won 4 or 5 games and had more competitive losses instead of weekly embarrassments. But this year he has improved to 'ok' so that's a good trajectory. Lots of head coaches improve in the early years of their tenure, and I think Lebby is on that path."

Make that argument, and I can't really refute it. Don't give us some disingenuous "actually your eyes and the data are wrong, just believe me uncritically!" screed that convinces no one.

[Coach34]

People refuse to understand how bad it was last year. It?s either ignorance or an agenda. Lebby walked into an absolute mess. He is still cleaning it up. It also did not help that Cohen had no clue how to handle NIL. It took Selmon righting that ship.

plus he wasnt hardly given any money to spend last season. He was given G5 money to build a roster

[Coach34]

Incredible exaggeration. There are 136 FBS teams, and this isn't even in the top half of the hardest jobs.

We are easily one of the toughest jobs in P5 with lots of G5 jobs easier than this one as well. It's easier to win at Memphis and South Florida than it is at State just to name a couple

[Coursesuper]

We are easily one of the toughest jobs in P5 with lots of G5 jobs easier than this one as well. It's easier to win at Memphis and South Florida than it is at State just to name a couple

Anyone that can't recognize how tough the gig at state is is definitely not tethered to reality.

[EdwardDrayton]

Sounds like whiny children "it's toooo hard". Geez. Either win games in the SEC or admit we don't belong and move to the AAC.

[Cowbeller]

We are easily one of the toughest jobs in P5 with lots of G5 jobs easier than this one as well. It's easier to win at Memphis and South Florida than it is at State just to name a couple

Exactly. We have championship expectations, the toughest competition in the country, and like you said a NIL that was behind from the start. I dont think its crazy to have playoff expectations, I have them myself but you cant build Rome overnight and definitely not with a new regime every two years.

Sounds like whiny children "it's toooo hard". Geez. Either win games in the SEC or admit we don't belong and move to the AAC.

Im saying the exact opposite of this. He will win in the SEC, but he needs time and resources and he has already proven that he can make positive change. Football and life are interchangeable. You think any successful company did not have set backs and mistakes from leadership at any point. Of course they did, strong leaders learn and improve which we are seeing.

[Coach34]

Sounds like whiny children "it's toooo hard". Geez. Either win games in the SEC or admit we don't belong and move to the AAC.

Cant move to the AAC. We need that welfare check too much. Plus we are good nationally in basketball and baseball because they dont cost as much to fund.

[Cowbeller]

The best pro-Lebby argument you can make is "sure, he sucked last year and finished 2-10 when a good coach would have won 4 or 5 games and had more competitive losses instead of weekly embarrassments. But this year he has improved to 'ok' so that's a good trajectory. Lots of head coaches improve in the early years of their tenure, and I think Lebby is on that path."

Make that argument, and I can't really refute it. Don't give us some disingenuous "actually your eyes and the data are wrong, just believe me uncritically!" screed that convinces no one.

Marcus Freeman lost to NIU last year. Is he a bad coach? Not that crazy anymore to lose G5 games if you aren’t invested fully with a stable program.

We are lucky you are not in charge or we would be 1-11 with a shiny new coach every year wondering why we arent progressing.

[msstate7]

Exactly. We have championship expectations,

Im .

This is insane. Lebby's critics want a conference win, and this somehow equals championship expectations in your mind. You're either trolling or more dense than platinum.

[msstate7]

Marcus Freeman lost to NIU last year. Is he a bad coach? Not that crazy anymore to lose G5 games if you aren?t invested fully with a stable program.

We are lucky you are not in charge or we would be 1-11 with a shiny new coach every year wondering why we arent progressing.

Again with the dumb comparisons... freeman then went on a run to get to the championship game. After the Toledo game, we lost all 8 sec games by 2 scores or more. We've lost 11 straight sec games under Lebby. If he pulls one out this Saturday, he will be celebrated by everyone here, which is crazy considering we have "championship expectations"

[Cowbeller]

This is insane. Lebby's critics want a conference win, and this somehow equals championship expectations in your mind. You're either trolling or more dense than platinum.

Stubborn/dense whatever you want to call it but our losses are Tenn, A&M, and UF. All preseason contenders and two still are. It’s not like we have lost three straight to Kentucky at home. We are quite literally less than ten plays away from 6-1 and somehow that equals a bad coach? We have missed some opportunities coaching and player execution wise but lets not panic

[Cowbeller]

Again with the dumb comparisons... freeman then went on a run to get to the championship game. After the Toledo game, we lost all 8 sec games by 2 scores or more. We've lost 11 straight sec games under Lebby. If he pulls one out this Saturday, he will be celebrated by everyone here, which is crazy considering we have "championship expectations"

Going to challenge you to critical thinking here. What is the difference between last years ND and MSUs rosters?

[msstate7]

Going to challenge you to critical thinking here. What is the difference between last years ND and MSUs rosters?

I think you should do the same. The loss for freeman absolutely lit a fire under him and his team. That loss was rocket fuel to them, and he proved it was an absolute fluke. We did no such thing.

[Cowbeller]

I think you should do the same. The loss for freeman absolutely lit a fire under him and his team. That loss was rocket fuel to them, and he proved it was an absolute fluke. We did no such thing.

Lol the loss to Toledo was not a fluke. It was bad luck, poor effort, poor planning, and poor decision making by the former AD office. Then we went into SEC play with the same roster and we expected something different than what we saw.