Quote Originally Posted by smootness View Post
Give it a rest? You're the one who stated the opinions that Martin inherited more talent at SC than Ray did at State and that Martin rebuilt Kansas State. We disagree with those opinions and are backing up our argument against them. By 'give it a rest,' do you mean, 'stop hammering me with facts that go against my opinion?'

I think Martin did a very good job at KSU; I don't think he 'rebuilt' them, but he did keep the train rolling forward that Huggins started and had ultimately more success than Huggins did in his one year.

I don't think he's done anything special at SC. I think he inherited the better roster initially than Ray did, and I don't see how Martin has done a better job than Ray. The only reason anyone is trying to argue Martin had a worse roster last year is because Ray beat him twice and Martin publicly talked about what a great job Ray did; so the only way to try to de-legitimize that is to claim Ray should have beaten them last year, which is crazy.
This is my last post on this subject because I think this is absolutely ridiculous it has gotten this far with you Smoot. But here it goes.

2011-2012 Final Record for USC 10-21 (2-14) SEC/ Fairly shitty good enough for last in the league and why Horn was canned.

Your great talent you boasted for USC, how many ppg they averaged for Martin, and where they transferred to because if they were so good wouldn't they have found a great spot???

Here we go:

Damien Leonard 4.0 ppg Future School - Fordham - aka Sucks
RJ Slawson 4.2 ppg Future School - Jacksonville - aka Sucks
Eric Smith 5.7 ppg Future School Coastal Carolina - ??
Brian Richardson 7.5 ppg Future School High Point University - aka Sucks

All combined guys transferring out and going to great wonderful bad ass schools average combined - 21.4 points

Guys you mentioned that stayed with the program

Bruce Ellington 9.9 ppg - only decent one and is only one of the shit group to average over two of our other players

Lakeem Jackson 7.5 ppg - basically a glorified Wendell Lewis

Our big three

Gavin Ware 8.4 ppg
Fred Thomas 9.7 ppg
Craig Sword 10.5 ppg

We had a solid young nucleus to build off of. Martin had worse to maybe close to as talented as us but definitely not more talent. I would rather have three solid to good players then one player and a bunch of scrubs. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree but the reasons above are why I think Ray had more talent then Martin to deal with when they got there. This is my last post on it.