Chat with Scott Stricklin

[C222]

Of which he recruited and got to come there. Huggy Bear was only there one season. That program was practically Martin's.

He didn't recruit Beasley. A guy by the name of Delonte Hill did. Beasley committed to Charlotte where Hill coached. Hill brought him to K State. Keep trying.

[engie]

engie, I'm not disagreeing with your numbers but what about Stricklin makes you think that all the extra revenue we have and will be getting via the SEC network and the stadium expansion he will spend smartly? i.e. not hire Billy Bob's cousin, or his wife for that sake.

Everything he's done has been smart with money. He's hired smartly in every single sport and position that I'm aware of at this point. We will see for sure on men's basketball next year...

[smootness]

Of which he recruited and got to come there. Huggy Bear was only there one season. That program was practically Martin's.

Oh geez. Yeah, the #1 player in the country went to Kansas State because of no-name assistant Frank Martin.

Isn't that also the argument? That no-name assistant coaches can't do anything? They never turn into anything more than that.

[engie]

I never said we were going to hire Shaka Smart. YOU Said that we didn't have huge money to spend on a basketball coach. I said that the money was available for the basketball replacement. And it was.

You implied that the money was there for Stricklin to hire whoever he wanted and he just botched it. I simply showed how ridiculous that position was.

[engie]

Also Engie, your basing most of your premise on an article from Clay Travis that is wildly speculative. No one knows for sure how much we will get, but I don know that each SEC school received 20 million dollars in 2011 and 2012. That's a lot of money; but the article you posted says that each school could receive 70 million dollars 10 years from now. Way too much speculation; not enough concrete evidence to support what it will be in 2015.

- We KNOW the SEC is charging $1.30 per subscriber inside the TV footprint at launch.
- We KNOW there are over 30 million subscribers inside the TV footprint.
- We KNOW the SEC is charging $0.25 per subscriber outside the TV footprint at launch.
- We know there is another 80+ million subscribers outside the TV footprint.
- We KNOW DISH, AT&T, and a rural network provider have signed on. Doing the math on that, we already KNOW it's worth over $5mil/school RIGHT NOW 5 months before launch -- with only 2 of the major providers.

At expected saturation -- which they've repeatedly stated is expected to be similar to ESPNU -- it's worth about $30million per school at current prices. I'm projecting that it's at very damn near full saturation in 2015 -- and probably will be before 2014 is over. Luckily, I went conservative on my initial numbers -- lest your head explode on the front end...

[Hypnodawg]

Not in the SEC there arent. We had to pay him $1MM because this is the SEC- he's already the lowest paid coach in the conference at 1MM. We cant go lower than that

I'm missing this SEC bylaw that says we can't pay less than $1M. You pay someone what they are worth he ain't worth $1M.

"We cant go lower than that" where is that written? Besides on this message board by Brick supporters.

[MarketingBully01]

Now you are talking about players that were there one freaking year and proving my point. He had to rebuild after losing those players. Now you are arguing just to argue both you and Smoot. I am wrong that he recruited Beasley but those two were there one year! Just give it a rest!

[mic]

Frank Martin (28-38 / 9-27) has made
180k per non conference win
422k per SEC win

with better talent when he got there

Rick Ray (24-41 / 7-29)
83k per non conference win
285k per SEC win

Looks to me like USCe fan base should be much more pissed about the last 2 years than our fan base.
Lets compare after year 3 when "hopefully" RR has a full roster to work with.
And don't give me the USCe has never been good in basketball. Because the last 10 years they have been as good or some could say better than we have.. Couple of NIT championships ( I believe back to back) , a East Division championship , and a trip to the NCAA

[engie]

Now you are taking about players that were there one freaking year and proving my point. He had to rebuild after losing those players. Now you are arguing just to argue both you and Smoot. I am wrong that he recruited Beasley but those two were there one year! Just give it a rest!

By your definition of Ray -- it's Martin's OWN fault that those players left after one year.

You are talking in circles -- and incapable of clearly defining a logical position without hypocritically applying parameters as you see fit. As is the case with the majority of the Ray haters. The extent to which Smoot is dominating this is hilarious really. You would have been way better off to throw out a "F Rick Ray" and left it at that instead of again pretending that you could logically debate it.

[smootness]

Now you are taking about players that were there one freaking year and proving my point. He had to rebuild after losing those players. Now you are arguing just to argue both you and Smoot. I am wrong that he recruited Beasley but those two were there one year! Just give it a rest!

Give it a rest? You're the one who stated the opinions that Martin inherited more talent at SC than Ray did at State and that Martin rebuilt Kansas State. We disagree with those opinions and are backing up our argument against them. By 'give it a rest,' do you mean, 'stop hammering me with facts that go against my opinion?'

I think Martin did a very good job at KSU; I don't think he 'rebuilt' them, but he did keep the train rolling forward that Huggins started and had ultimately more success than Huggins did in his one year.

I don't think he's done anything special at SC. I think he inherited the better roster initially than Ray did, and I don't see how Martin has done a better job than Ray. The only reason anyone is trying to argue Martin had a worse roster last year is because Ray beat him twice and Martin publicly talked about what a great job Ray did; so the only way to try to de-legitimize that is to claim Ray should have beaten them last year, which is crazy.

[Coach34]

Give it a rest? You're the one who stated the opinions that Martin inherited more talent at SC than Ray did at State and that Martin rebuilt Kansas State. We disagree with those opinions and are backing up our argument against them. By 'give it a rest,' do you mean, 'stop hammering me with facts that go against my opinion?.

Um, Yes Sir- that is exactly what he is saying

[JOHNHEVESYMADE]

Do y'all just have short term memory loss and sweep under the rug that we lost 14 of our last 15 games? I don't care how bad you are you can't do that and expect fan support no matter how bad the situation.

[Coach34]

Cohen went 6-24 in his 2nd season as State coach

What will get the people on Ray's side? Improvement in Season 3. Rebuilding is over- now it's time for Brick Ray to get better

[quickstrike2]

Cohen had a couple of 40 win seasons at another SEC school that fans could look at for encouragement thru the tough early seasons.

I'm hopeful Ray has a solid year 3, and I think he can.

[engie]

Cohen had a couple of 40 win seasons at another SEC school that fans could look at for encouragement thru the tough early seasons.

The same fans lost their minds in the exact same way with Cohen. That's the point... You may see a hypothetical where that buys patience -- but at MSU, for many of the most vocal fans, it did not...

[Dawg61]

SEC is also the strongest baseball conference but only like the 7th strongest basketball conference. The Cohen/Ray comparisons have to stop.

[Coach34]

Cohen had a couple of 40 win seasons at another SEC school that fans could look at for encouragement thru the tough early seasons.

I'm hopeful Ray has a solid year 3, and I think he can.

but to alot of people that loved Polk and kept hearing from that faction that Cohen wasnt the right person for the job- they didnt give a shit about what he had done at Kentucky. They were yelling loudly that Cohen cussed too much, the players hated him, and he would never win at State.

And to others, the fact that he could somehow go 6-24 at Miss State with all the success we had had and all the history- meant he couldnt handle the job.

Too much revisionist history on all his Kentucky success- a helluva lot of people didnt give a shit about that in May of 2010

[Coach34]

SEC is also the strongest baseball conference but only like the 7th strongest basketball conference. The Cohen/Ray comparisons have to stop.

No- they are extremely valid and show the idiocy of fans that are too shortsighted. Does it mean Ray will also be successful? No. Does it mean he wont? Also no- Cohen showed it takes time to rebuild. Just like Frank Martin has and case after case.

[MarketingBully01]

Frank Martin (28-38 / 9-27) has made
180k per non conference win
422k per SEC win

with better talent when he got there

Rick Ray (24-41 / 7-29)
83k per non conference win
285k per SEC win

Looks to me like USCe fan base should be much more pissed about the last 2 years than our fan base.
Lets compare after year 3 when "hopefully" RR has a full roster to work with.
And don't give me the USCe has never been good in basketball. Because the last 10 years they have been as good or some could say better than we have.. Couple of NIT championships ( I believe back to back) , a East Division championship , and a trip to the NCAA

I'd rather have our 4 NCAA appearances and 3 NIT appearances in that time frame. This is just stupid. And I will address the other parts in the next post on why I think Ray had more talent to work with then Frank Martin.

[MarketingBully01]

but to alot of people that loved Polk and kept hearing from that faction that Cohen wasnt the right person for the job- they didnt give a shit about what he had done at Kentucky. They were yelling loudly that Cohen cussed too much, the players hated him, and he would never win at State.

And to others, the fact that he could somehow go 6-24 at Miss State with all the success we had had and all the history- meant he couldnt handle the job.

Too much revisionist history on all his Kentucky success- a helluva lot of people didnt give a shit about that in May of 2010

I always thought Cohen was the right hire in baseball. If we had made a Cohen like hire in basketball, you wouldn't hear a peep from me. If Martin were here, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. Ray has done nothing to even draw a comparison like this. Nothing.